20: "Then Learn Fly" & "Bicephaly" (S4E3&4)

[00:00:00] Hmm? Ah! Hmm. Did you know LaRusso showed Miguel Top Gun? Oof, I love that movie. Don't cruise this so handsome. Cruise is the worst of men. Here you got the real deal, Ice Man, best of the best, abs for days. Here comes this new guy, Total Dweeb.

[00:00:22] Calls himself a maverick. Can't call yourself a maverick. I didn't even earn a spot at Miramar. Not as Wingman killed too, not cool. Hey everybody, welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason. And I'm Richard. And I'm Reema. This is House Podcastica Cobra Kai Edition.

[00:00:56] This week we're covering Cobra Kai Season 4, Episodes 3 and 4, Then Learn Fly and Bicephaly. I love it, then learn fly. We find out what that means. Jump between two buildings. Yeah. What was it? Jump between two buildings. Yeah, with only a mattress to fall on.

[00:01:16] Dude, like three meager mattresses. It's got to be the dumbest training exercise we've seen so far. Right. But you can't be afraid. You got to attack a situation. No show weakness. Alright, let's get into it. Cobra Kai Season 4, Episode 3 and 4, Then Learn Fly, Bicephaly.

[00:01:40] How'd you like it, Reema? I really liked it. These, I thought, were two strong episodes. There was, I think, some real good setup. Which is good because we're getting to that halfway point. I was just talking a little about that just a moment ago

[00:01:58] that we're kind of coming into the halfway. Yeah, I know, like, wow already. I guess it's because we cover two episodes a week. But it's time to kind of start moving that story forward and the plot forward and see what happens.

[00:02:10] And so there was some really good setup to get that movement going. So I thought they were great episodes. There were some great relationship building, team building, and some good plot movement. It really hurt where we had to end this time. I know. Oh, that was painful.

[00:02:28] Oh, that was painful. I was like, oh my gosh, can I please just watch the next one? That was a 35-year cliffhanger. Oh, all right. Yeah, you like too rich. Yeah, I noticed the same thing actually. Like my top three today were all characters, like all character based.

[00:02:46] Yeah. I was like, hey, I don't know if that's ever happened before. That's pretty cool. Yeah, on first watch, I liked it. I didn't like it quite as much as the first two, which I thought were just really exceptional. But I did like it.

[00:03:02] And then on second watch, when I got more into it, I'm like, oh yeah. They're so fucking clever, these writers. People just don't realize because it's a funny show, but it's smart too, I think. Yeah, yeah. It feels like they're able to do everything they write.

[00:03:20] They don't change it on the spot or anything like that. It's all planned out and it all works out perfectly. It's all super smart. Yeah, because a lot of shows and movies get convoluted. They just put a little hand in the cookie jar

[00:03:34] and then it ends up being a weird movie or whatever. Yeah, I think they got these two guys, is it two or three that are running the show? Show owners? Yeah, the two main ones and then the third one, they're all kind of very collaborative. Yeah, that's awesome.

[00:03:54] Okay, let's get into our points. Remo, what do you got? Well, I'm going to start off, and I'm going to go straight to the point that I'm really excited about these two episodes, some of that relationship focus in the relationship building.

[00:04:08] And I thought what was kind of interesting is kind of the switch that we have. So some of the new relationships that we got in the third episode that I really liked was we had Danny and Miguel. Daniel, sorry, I called him Danny,

[00:04:22] I'm not really sure why I said Danny, but Daniel and Miguel, which we haven't got to see a whole lot of interactions, but they had some one-on-one time. They've mostly not liked each other. Well, at least Daniel hasn't liked Miguel. Yeah, it's been kind of awkward,

[00:04:36] you know, with them. We had Johnny and Sam, which I thought was fun, and then Robbie and Kenny. But for this point, I wanted to talk specifically about Daniel and Miguel because as I mentioned, we haven't really seen a whole lot of like one-on-one interaction with them,

[00:04:54] and like you said, Jason, it hasn't always been great. We really have Miguel around a whole lot because at the time, he was a Cobra Kai student. And of course, Daniel's sensitive to that, so she didn't really bring him around a lot.

[00:05:06] It's like if she was dating a Nazi for Daniel. Yeah, I mean, it was definitely triggering for him. I mean, if you go back, it was, anytime Cobra Kai was mentioned, he was triggered, kind of heavily about that. So definitely, oh, by the way, Dad,

[00:05:22] kind of dating a Cobra Kai student and then his life went over very well. And then season two, Daniel thought that Miguel was kind of more of a bully and kind of turning into like Johnny. Kind of was. Yeah, he kind of was. He definitely did.

[00:05:38] So that didn't go very well and there wasn't really a whole lot of like between them. But in season three, they did have a more meaningful conversation when Daniel kind of opened up and shared his experience of what happened during Karate Kid,

[00:05:52] first movie, and they ended up on good terms. So it kind of, I think, kind of laid the groundwork for what we have in this episode where we kind of see now Daniel kind of becoming more of a mentor to Miguel. So I really liked that

[00:06:08] and I felt bad for Miguel too. I really felt empathy for him because he doesn't really feel like he's good enough to be with Sam and he's trying to show that he is the type of guy Sam would be proud to date.

[00:06:20] You can see how he's kind of struggling. He spills the wine on Daniel, he falls in the pond, you know, you feel bad for him. And then when his mom's car breaks down and Daniel helps him, he has Miguel do the work which I really liked.

[00:06:32] I liked that he's like, you're gonna do it. And I liked when Daniel tells him that he's like, hey, I didn't go to college. I blew my money on a trip to Okinawa and then his prize money, he blew it on the Bonsai Tree store

[00:06:50] that he had for or that he opened up for Mr. Miyagi and kind of let him see like he's capable of doing the same thing, that he didn't start from much either but he accomplished a lot. So I really liked that. I liked that whole relationship

[00:07:08] building between those two. That's a good point. They did have a lot of financial talk in this episode, didn't they? Sure did. Yeah, to add one more difference between Miguel and Sam. One's wealthy, one's not. Yeah. Well, I mean even going back to Karate Kid

[00:07:24] it was a whole thing about how Allie was friends with Johnny and all those kids are like preppy kids and they have cool cars and he didn't have a cool car and they had a couple lines in there oh is it because I don't have a cool car

[00:07:38] because he got Miyagi's car and he wanted to show it off and she's like, oh that doesn't have anything to do with it. But yeah, so that theme of coming from wealth or not has been there from the beginning and kind of flipped with Cobra Kai where

[00:07:54] Daniel's made something of himself and Johnny's is down and out. That's another good example too of how the writers are well balanced. They kind of introduced that drama of the financial differences at the dinner table but then later on Daniel explains all of his financial missteps

[00:08:10] in the past and says, I'm going to come back around and you'll be fine. You have a good head on your shoulders. Yep. Easy to say when you're wealthy right? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I'd be good to I wish and maybe we'll get that later kind of backstory

[00:08:32] of how they started the car dealership knowing that Daniel didn't have just like a bucket of money to put into that. Like how wonder how he got that Yeah, that's a good point. They talked about that too. The whole thing about Miguel and Daniel hanging out

[00:08:52] I just loved and I mean it's great that because that's one thing from the very beginning you know I've always felt more connected with Daniel I love Karate Kid I feel more like in common with him underdog and nice kid and everything even though he can be

[00:09:06] some kind he can be a hot head sometimes but so can I I guess but anyway Miguel kind of reminded me of Daniel in the way that he came across you know he's more of a Daniel than a Johnny especially a first there so it was like ah

[00:09:20] it's such a bummer that they don't connect because I think they could really get along and now they are and it's kind of neat that they made us wait that long because then when it does happen at least for me anyway because I've been wanting that to happen

[00:09:30] it's more like finally you know you get that It did seem inevitable huh it's hard to see Johnny's face you know it's like oh yeah I feel bad for Johnny I know yeah I totally but I also feel like Johnny just take it easy

[00:09:46] it's fine don't do anything stupid and cause more problems than if you just chill out you know right yeah it's good for Miguel to get both sides yeah and he still cares about Johnny and he's gonna come over the next night for his manly sloppy joes

[00:10:08] but I also thought yes cause I've been more like letting go of my need for Daniel to be the hero on this show because I love that everyone's flawed and it's um presents a gray area of you like we talk about and I think in the first

[00:10:24] two episodes in particular you saw Daniel just being kind of a jerk in parts but he had some of his he was at some of his best here like where he's the wine Miguel spills the wine on him he's like no problem it's just wine or when he

[00:10:38] like offers to have his car his mom's car towed and Miguel's like no no no and he goes it's fine that's what I do don't worry about it you can tell Daniel's like not trying to get anything from him he's just being a cool guy you know and

[00:10:52] I like that for a change I mean he's not perfect in these two episodes either but he had some good moments right yeah okay rich oh let's talk about Sam she is my least favorite character it's official ha ha ha ha these last two episodes right

[00:11:20] in the past seasons she has been divisive and a protagonist you know who kind of drives the plot blah blah blah her drama queen bad decision making and when she told Johnny I think it was the episode when there he was trying to get them

[00:11:38] to jump over the buildings she like snapped at him and like said you're a 50 something year old man who lives alone drinks all day and clearly hasn't figured out his own life I was like ouch yeah that hurt I know and it was after

[00:11:52] I'm glad that he called her out on when her and her friends crashed his car into his car and then left even though she wasn't driving she was still there and could have argued against that and then showing up drunk with Robbie at his place when Daniel

[00:12:06] came over and kicked the door in yeah that was good of him to call her out on that yeah totally and I was a that's when it kind of hit me I was like I immediately thought about Sam and Tory they're like pretty much the same

[00:12:20] person you know other than Sam has a caring family that kind of keeps her on track and Tory doesn't I mean like at the kids party it was it was like watching a mirror image of those two people you know the same person going back and

[00:12:34] forth with insults and bullying and Sam was you know really letting her fly even Amanda even her mom was like oh sorry for my daughter's behavior I think Sam I think Sam is gonna be the one that turns Miyagi fang into a dumpster

[00:12:50] fire I mean I think it's all gonna fall apart because of her I mean if Johnny and Sam strike up a relationship and they introduce Johnny's aggressiveness and weirdo ism into into all of this you know we're headed for some serious drama so like how

[00:13:10] like Miguel's kind of you know leaning a little bit more towards Daniel and do you think Sam will kind of lean a little more towards Johnny and take his influence a little more? Seems like the direction they're taking it but you never know again

[00:13:26] yeah yeah she's kind of she does a lot of random stuff too I've noticed this season that she just has a scowl on her face a lot of the times yeah she just seems angry kind of like Tory like you're saying similar

[00:13:40] yeah they're like one in the same person just uh one's more had more control and now I think she's losing it a little bit Johnny might be the you know might help her lose it even more or kill her I mean

[00:13:56] I get what you're saying but I also can't forget that Tory pretty much tried to kill Sam and she had a freaking what was it like spiked brass knuckles or whatever right and she was like I'm coming to get you bitch over the loudspeaker

[00:14:14] and then she broke into her house and tore it up so here we have Sam kind of poking fun at Tory which maybe is not too smart but it's nowhere near as bad as what Tory's done to Sam in my opinion yeah well that's the

[00:14:30] thing I'm saying is that you know she's had her father and her mother to help her make sense of all this and to keep calm and stay on the right path but if she decides to do whatever the opposite of whatever daddy says to do or mommy

[00:14:44] well she might become yeah and that's kind of what Johnny was like are you always going to do what your parents tell you to do aren't you gonna like push and kind of do your own thing a little bit and that's

[00:14:56] you know when she makes that jump so fucked up dude I totally get like because his whole thing about my parents wanting me to be a boring business man but now I get to do what I want and yes you have to differentiate yourself at some point

[00:15:10] as a teenager especially but when you're in that speech while you're trying to get a girl to jump like and if she had died or something even though she made it if I was Daniel and I found out Johnny did that the partnership would be over

[00:15:26] what then and there that's it you're out of here no that might happen too huh yeah yeah he finds out and he's not it just seemed ridiculous to me if he's not like okay you're not teaching my kids anymore get the fuck out of here

[00:15:40] well Johnny would be like well she just wasn't worthy sorry she just wasn't born to fly so yeah well and I'm curious I mean because you're right she seems Sam just seems pretty moody and I couldn't quite figure it out I don't know and maybe it'll like develop

[00:16:02] and come out a little bit more because we still have a handful of episodes to go so maybe we'll learn more and was to have answered the question yet but she seems a lot more moody like when they were sitting at the dinner table

[00:16:12] and Miguel had spilled the wine on Daniel and she's just kind of like got her eyes cast down and she just she's frowning and you know she was you know moody when they were on top of the roof before she jumped and she's just you know

[00:16:26] you know because they're all like well we're not going anywhere until somebody does it but she's just like frowning the whole time that she snaps at Johnny I'm not really sure what's I don't know I'm not sure what to make of her mood

[00:16:38] and why she's acting like that and why she was definitely making me nervous that's for sure yeah I don't get a good feeling from her either I don't think she's very likable right now but I still just keep thinking yeah if someone did to me what Tori did

[00:16:56] I wouldn't be nice to them either I probably wouldn't want to go provoking them but I wouldn't be poking the bear, shit I'd probably leave town trying to think yeah if anybody like hide at home avoiding conflict sometimes is the wisest thing you can do no be there

[00:17:14] no be there yeah so I guess I'll do my point that's sort of related to all this which is that I like these two episodes were especially focused on the theme of father figures influencing and supporting kids or not sometimes

[00:17:32] and that's one of the reasons why I like the karate kid movies so much doing this podcast has helped me realize that even more that because I didn't have a strong father figure and so that's another reason why I felt so connected with Daniel and then

[00:17:46] he got Miyagi as a father figure and I just really loved that and now I'm feeling more connected with Johnny because we're learning his father left him and then he got Sid you know that's kind of what I got Sid

[00:17:58] yeah we're still getting some backstory there aren't we yeah so let's see Daniel and Johnny both had single mothers and Ed Asner died so we're not going to get any more Sid flashbacks he's too bad because he's great yeah

[00:18:16] and also it's just too bad that he died but that whole scene with Johnny where he saved his father's things the only thing I saw in there was a crushed beer can you see where Johnny gets his taste for Coors Banquet and

[00:18:34] they said his dad left him and his mom I can't remember if we knew that before but anyway he got Sid who was an unsupportive asshole and so yeah when he's telling Samantha I figured out one thing for sure

[00:18:46] if I did everything my parents wanted me to do I'd be wearing a suit and tie and being a worthless job and so I guess since Johnny didn't have a supportive father his point to Sam is sometimes you need to ignore your parents

[00:18:58] and Miguel he never knew his dad he mentions again they've sort of hinted that his father got caught up in something illegal and his mom tried to get him to stop but wouldn't so she left and tried to start a new life with Miguel

[00:19:14] he says that she told him his real fathers in Mexico before this season premiered our friend Ben who guested last season said he thinks Terry Silver is Miguel's father oh and Ben knows for sure now because he's watched the rest of the season but we don't know

[00:19:34] maybe you guys listening know but I think it's maybe a possibility I mean Carmen could have lied about him being in Mexico we know Terry Silver has done illegal things yeah got involved in something illegal dumping toxic sludge so Daniel taking Miguel under his wing

[00:19:56] he taught him to fix cars which I think is super cool it's another personal thing but one of my stepfathers who was more like Sid did fix cars a lot and so I always had a negative feeling about that never learned but

[00:20:12] I wish I had now that would have been cool and I think it was really nice of Daniel do that then you know he says I didn't have a dad to teach me to drive Daniel says but lucky I met Mr. Miyagi

[00:20:24] he made me realize that just because I didn't have a dad that didn't mean there wasn't someone who could fit that role which is kind of what this series is all about just adults influencing kids for the better or for the worse sometimes mm-hmm I loved

[00:20:40] when Johnny you know Johnny's afraid of losing Miguel to Daniel and when they decided to switch I thought was really fun he says Johnny says to Miguel make sure all that defense doesn't turn you into a cream puff and then Miguel comes back talking about Peter Sotera hey

[00:21:00] I know of all the things that happened to Johnny that was like the word yeah like what's going on over there Peter Sotera is a badass he's Peter Sotera is the opposite of a badass uh let's see the whole thing about Daniel teaching Cobra Kai students

[00:21:22] his lesson is you know what to do if your opponent is faster than you I thought that was kind of a dumb lesson too actually cat grabbing a fish catching the fish yeah I mean I guess it's about going in a circular

[00:21:36] motion like he also said to Miguel later you know sometimes you you don't go on a straight path and you don't do what your opponent expects you to do so somehow I guess it was saying that they were tricking the fish I don't know

[00:21:50] and then I also felt bad for the fish yeah it looked Miguel was like he was really squeezing that fish too I'm like dude loosen that grip it's coming out and then yeah the thing we were talking about before some kids born into wealth and sometimes not Daniel

[00:22:08] mentions his mom brought him out to California looking for a better life which I'm glad he can appreciate that now because he sure didn't at the time and it also reminds me of my own mom but Miguel gets straight A's

[00:22:20] but his mom says they can't afford for him to go to Stanford and Daniel's telling meanwhile his daughter you know you can go wherever you want to go because he's pretty well off and then even Terry his story of you know

[00:22:34] his father wanted him to take over his company or else he wouldn't get his inheritance that fits in and so he's here too Terry Silver but we don't know what happened with that because I think he turned his father down and yet he still made money

[00:22:50] maybe he did it all on his own who knows hopefully we'll find out his back story a lot of daddy issues here I know but that's I don't know I don't really have any cohesive theme there but it's just clear that yeah it's really on their minds

[00:23:06] about fathers and sons and their careers and people who came from different backgrounds and how that impacted their lives and things like that right yep that's a theme okay Rima well my number two actually goes a line in with your point

[00:23:26] that you just had and that's the surrogate relationships that are a theme of Craty Kid and Cobra Kai you know Miyagi and Daniel, Johnny Miguel, Robby and now I think I'm starting to see another one developing that I'm really interested in and that's Tori and Amanda maybe yeah

[00:23:48] at least I think anyway we'll see but I like that Amanda developed some empathy for Tori she reached out to her in one of the first two episodes that we covered when she kind of learned Tori's kind of learned a little bit and you know felt bad that

[00:24:08] she played a part in her now of course I feel like Tori kind of blew that out of proportion and got herself kind of fired but you know Amanda kind of being there and being like the trigger I know she felt bad for and she

[00:24:22] you know took some groceries to her I mean she did go to her job and confront her at her job yeah so yeah it wasn't great so Tori definitely you know I thought it was cool that she reached out to her there at the birthday party

[00:24:36] you know saying that you know I think you'd be surprised you know that if you ask for help you know that you might get it I'm just kind of paraphrasing that's not an exact quote you might be surprised or something yeah yeah you'd be surprised you know

[00:24:50] if you just ask for some help what might happen and you know so I don't know I'm kind of you know Tori looked kind of open to that a little bit I'm interested to see if she'll like take her up on that offer

[00:25:00] and where that will go and how that might change Tori a little bit if she does have and I know that she has a mom but it you know it sounds like she's you know Tori's kind of on her own doing a lot of things

[00:25:10] because her mom is sick and Tori's more being the parent and not the kid you know she's not really able to be a kid so I'm curious to see how you know if she has like a like a strong female influence in her life

[00:25:28] that might change her a little bit and I do like that Amanda has you know that they're not quite sweeping under the rug what Tori did and how she went after Sam multiple times you know and tried to murder her because of what you did to her

[00:25:42] you can't blame her for exactly yeah like you can't really fault Sam for getting back at you with you know sloppy Miguel kisses and glitter bombs you know and like you said Jason it's not I mean that's you know is it right

[00:25:54] of Sam to be lashing right back out maybe not smart yeah not smart and it's not as bad as like what what Tori has done I mean and I can't blame her for doing an either but I know she doesn't exonerate that behavior either but I like how

[00:26:06] they're not just quite sweeping under the rug like we know Tori's done some bad things but I think Amanda you know can kind of understand a little bit now where she's coming from and you know letting her know it's okay to maybe ask for some help

[00:26:18] you know she doesn't have to do it all on her own the way they played that scene I really like too Tori is just so angry all the time and she really lashed out at Amanda and Amanda look like okay sorry like don't hit me

[00:26:32] but she looks like God just I'm just trying to help you know that that vibe was there like she really wants to help but I didn't think Tori looked open to it at all maybe I need to go back and look but to me she just looked like

[00:26:44] fucking leave me alone I just felt like a very split second there when when she was turning away I just thought I saw a little glimmer of like where she's like you know like she's maybe considering it now whether or not

[00:26:56] she'll do it or not I don't know she's Tori you know and she is angry and I you know I just I don't know if it's really a soft spot or I just feel like I have a little bit of understanding of Tori and

[00:27:10] why she be I don't like I said it's not an excuse all of her behavior there's no excuse for her behavior based on how she's grown up and the challenges that she's had in life but you know I get the anger part of it not the

[00:27:24] acting out and trying to murder anyone at school or anything but you know having similar backgrounds and you know just things that have happened in my life and kind of like in the same kind of time frame of you know where Tori's at

[00:27:38] in her life you know I kind of get that anger I was an angry kid for a little while due to things that happen in my life and probably didn't always make the best choices either so so I kind of get that yeah and throwing some

[00:27:52] Cobra Kai and she's like a loaded weapon man totally got a handle with care yeah influence goes a long way with kids of that age you know impression if amanda means it that she should go help but that's awesome but I don't think

[00:28:08] Amanda should try to help her that's just opening the door to yeah you know evil stuff I think what do you mean I don't understand what you're saying yeah she's gonna get caught in between Amanda and Sam oh if she tries to go back

[00:28:22] and forth between the two so you don't think any of these adults should be helping no no no she said if she means it to go get help to reach out ask someone for help just don't reach out and ask me

[00:28:32] no I don't think I think she wants to help her I know but you don't think in the show that's gonna be great not I'm saying in real life you should do that because that kind of stuff happens in the show all the time yeah yeah

[00:28:46] so I would be kind of surprised if this doesn't go anywhere actually I didn't thought about too much but you brought it up twice now and I think you're probably right remember that it's gonna be a storyline yeah two of them yeah another dynamic how about little Kenny

[00:29:06] what's going on with that dude not sure stay on the mat geez totally that's why I'm like what the hell what's he bringing to the show being a coward I guess he's he's shown as a coward he's getting hazed right as Miguel points out

[00:29:24] cause he's the newbie just take it move on you'll gain your respect I mean is this all a call back to like what happened with Hawk what's Kenny's purpose is he there's already so many characters in the show the kid oh Jason when you said earlier that

[00:29:40] Daniel mentioned what if your opponent is faster than you at the beginning of the episode right well somebody pointed out that Kenny's fast Kenny's fast so you just have to run around a circle yeah yeah everybody's surrounded you do the move that you wouldn't expect

[00:29:58] which is I guess like what would you least expect in karate open up your groin area I don't know yeah that'll trick him you know I'm interested to see what part Kenny plays maybe he's the red herring that's gonna screw up everything at the

[00:30:18] at the tournament you know maybe I mean I don't know either I like the kid I did get a little frustrated that he kept running off the mat and looked so scared but um yeah but um he I'd like the kid he's got some magnetism about him

[00:30:34] and I really like the scenes with uh Robbie and Kenny so that was yeah that's another thing too I thought of is that maybe he's like a vehicle for Robbie to see you know turn back to the light side so to speak because he's gonna start

[00:30:48] teaching this kid Cobra Kai he's gonna go out and become an asshole right and then Robbie can be like oh my god look what I've done but Robbie's doing I think he's doing pretty good right now I mean totally reminds me

[00:31:00] I think you're gonna talk about the streamer so I don't want to talk about it too much but the dynamic between them is just like with Miyagi and um Daniel Daniel's getting bullied he goes to someone a mentor to get trained in karate yeah take care of it

[00:31:16] hey we're talking about earlier about how adults influence kids too and Kai can kind of see this as a teacher where this might be a social commentary here on the power and responsibility a teacher has you know you gotta be careful what you teach kids to do

[00:31:32] have you ever like I don't you don't need to go into details but have you ever been like oh why did I say that that's not gonna be really a lot of times I'll say something off the cuff or all it's not even what you say most

[00:31:44] of the time it's even your facial expression or your body language or you're just your tone of voice and the kids come back and say what did you mean when you said this or why did you say that you know do you

[00:31:54] remember when you said that and I'm like oh yeah sorry about that forget about that, sponge from the record yeah don't tell anybody else or I'll crush you do as I say not as I do Rich is a teacher by the way for anyone who

[00:32:10] don't know what we're talking about shaping a beautiful mind I tell ya that takes a special kind of person middle school this show isn't off too far off too with the kids behavior tell you what maybe your school hasn't had a full on karate

[00:32:26] war yet but pretty close not yet it's a little more disturbing in reality they bring like knives to school oh jeez knives and pepper spray maybe you need to learn a little karate for some self defense yeah you're an intern well you heard about the tic toc challenge

[00:32:46] right slap a teacher in the face no hasn't happened yet but I'm kind of wanting it to so I can sue somebody in the entire I mean I heard about the one about vandalizing school bathrooms yeah they're doing it there's always a tic toc challenge

[00:33:04] most of us are fighting something dumb yeah there was one that steal something off your teacher's desk and then I had a sapler go missing oh jeez I think somebody got me on that one you should I don't know have something and stick a rotten egg inside

[00:33:20] or something rig up a gift like they do with the Amazon packages good or bomb boom yep you can keep that alright is my turn yeah I'll go with Terry Silver as my second point who is interesting he was he's been reluctant but finally he's decided to

[00:33:46] join Cobra Kai and co-direct the program with Chris and I'm like how come why did you do that well first we see his Vietnam flashback that reminds him that Chris saved his life and in that moment he said anything you want your whole life

[00:34:02] I'm there for you so I think he's feeling like well I did say that I really don't want to do this but I owe Chris so I think he's resentful when he goes back to Cobra Kai because it wasn't even clear why he was there

[00:34:14] or why he took off his shoes like are you saying yes or no here and I think he's saying I owe you but I don't want to and after the whole thing with the sprinklers where the Miyagi Do kids trick the Cobra Kai

[00:34:32] to be in the field with the sprinklers and Chris tells Terry we need to attack them back and Terry's like no I agreed to come back to do what we originally set out to do to turn kids into winners and bring Cobra Kai back to its former glory

[00:34:46] we have to learn from our mistakes you had the entire valley in the palm of your hand you blew it because of this rivalry with Miyagi he says Cobra Kai was never about revenge it was about building strength by taking your fears and turning them into a weapon

[00:35:00] that's what we should focus on so I think that's well we see in the flashbacks that's how it started out he was even hesitant to join Cobra Kai then because his father was going to take away his inheritance but I didn't explicitly say that

[00:35:16] but I think the idea was that he did because in the next scene in the present Chris introduces him as the co-founder of Cobra Kai and that we built this thing from scratch together so that's what he did so but in that flashback Chris says hey remember fear

[00:35:34] does not exist you can get through anything you know why because you got me I didn't leave you behind in the war and I'm not going to leave you behind now Cobra Kai and Chris Terry is like never dies I thought that was a great moment right?

[00:35:48] between the two of them which is surprising but it's typical of this show and it explains a lot too what do you mean? it explains why they are so into this yeah whole Cobra Kai thing they want to change the world man yeah and they're trying to take

[00:36:04] I feel like their shitty Vietnam experience and turn whatever nastiness came out of that into something positive and powerful you know that's how I felt too they're trying to take all the nastiness that was aimed at them yeah that's what I got from the previous episode

[00:36:24] when we got back and everybody was calling us baby killers and you know they wanted to teach them respect right but it's for themselves too to take because you know people came back from Vietnam just with post-traumatic stress and all kinds of stuff

[00:36:42] and just take that and turn it into something good and I just loved that they seemed like two really supportive friends there and it was touching and then it reminded me too just him saying that fear does not exist well it's because I've seen Karate Kid 45 times

[00:37:00] it's burned into my brain that the first time we see Chris does not exist in this dojo does it? no sensei pain does not exist and so now we see well I don't know if that's the first time Chris ever said that

[00:37:14] but it was back in the day it was important to him which made it more meaningful to me the other thing he explained too is his hatred for Miyagi why he's Miyagi you know kicked his butt and then he kicked Johnny's butt

[00:37:26] and then he said you know I could see the fear in Johnny's eyes now he took away his confidence he doesn't like him so much yeah that's right when you see Miyagi increase in the parking lot and he makes Chris punch well he doesn't make it

[00:37:42] but he dodges and Chris punches those cars and then he's gonna Miyagi has his hand up like he's gonna chop Chris's neck and kill him and Chris looks really scared yeah and then he goes and then channeling fear into strength is reinforced with Robby

[00:38:00] when Terry goes in and engages Robby I was like oh now we get to see maybe how Terry actually teaches when he's not secretly trying to torture the student right and he was hardcore he flipped him down punched him in the stomach

[00:38:16] kicked him in the stomach pretty hard he still had that shit eating grin on his face though yeah so I I wonder about Terry but he says you've learned to channel your anger but you're afraid if you want to learn to be a champion

[00:38:28] you need to dig out that fear and face it whatever it is because if you don't it's gonna hold you back forever and so I'll just talk about using your fear and channeling it that's interesting I feel like it relates to Karate Kid 3 Terry Silver's movie maybe because

[00:38:48] it you know first off Terry and Mike Barnes the bad boy of Karate seemed like they were trying to invoke fear a lot but also on the mat in the tournament at the end it was about fear Daniel had been

[00:39:04] beaten to a pulp basically and he's laying on the mat going I'm afraid let's go I want to go home he's like oh you must not it's okay to lose to your opponent must not lose to fear Daniel says

[00:39:16] well I'm afraid of him alright what do you want me to do and he says you stay focused your best karate still inside you now time to let out which is kind of similar to me to Terry telling Robbie to dig out the fear you know

[00:39:28] I don't know exactly how those two are related if maybe um part of Terry's thing of taking your fear and channeling it out could translate into make the other person afraid of you I don't really think that's what he's saying here though but that's the thing is

[00:39:44] young Terry that we saw in flashbacks and modern day older Terry they seem like nice guys they're very reasonable and part of me is like oh what happened to the crazy maniacal guy that we saw from Karate Kid 3

[00:40:00] I was just going to say I hope he doesn't go back on coke well that's maybe I mean because we don't we didn't see what happened to transform him into the Terry Silver that we saw in Karate Kid 3 and I feel like that's a big

[00:40:14] missing piece that they need to fill in because if they're gonna say yeah he was nice when he started out and he's nice now and he was like this totally other kind of person in Karate Kid 3 we if they're gonna bother bringing him back for this

[00:40:30] I feel like we need something to fill that in and maybe it is just the cocaine and I don't know it would be weird if he like decides to do coke on this series and suddenly becomes the same like he was back then you know

[00:40:42] well I mean it could have been more maybe we you know the but the good thing about Cobra Kai is they're really great about flashbacks if he becomes a more series like regular I'd say good chance of us getting flashbacks getting a little bit of backstory

[00:40:58] I mean at this point I'm not sure if I'm cause like I said I'm disappointed we didn't get the same crazy Terry Silver but I also like this one more and so it's hard for me to like wish for him to turn into that you know yeah

[00:41:12] but I feel like a little piece of him that old Terry is still there I mean he was fighting with Robby I was like dude I mean I get you're trying to like teach here but I mean he was like yeah

[00:41:24] he was like really laying it on him and I'm like there's still just a little bit of that old Terry Silver in there maybe he's not cracked or coked out like he was but I feel like there's just a little bit of it in there and then

[00:41:36] when you know he's telling Chris we don't attack but I didn't say we do nothing we just show up at Miyagi Do and he says gentlemen it seems we have a few things to discuss and then the two confrontations I've been waiting for

[00:41:52] Terry and Daniel and Terry and Johnny and we don't get to see what happens oh my god we will in about an hour as soon as we wrap here yes we just have to get through this oh my god I know that was

[00:42:06] oh but see that's what I'm saying he's and then like what does that mean well you know I didn't say we wouldn't do anything so he's you know we're not going to do this but we're going to do something go over and have a nice gentleman

[00:42:18] chat with them and ask them to stop harassing our students I feel like that's not what it's going to be it could be I don't know hey come over to my beachfront mansion we'll have you know some tofu tea let's go out into this dark field because

[00:42:36] if you did say go over there and ask Daniel and Johnny students to stop harassing his students that would be a mirror image of when Miyagi what Miyagi did yeah which the show does a lot the truth yeah but they already

[00:42:50] have just the whole thing about the tournament so I don't know Jay I've always been taught that a little bit of fear is healthy absolutely you know I mean you don't want to go rushing into stuff jumping between roofs fearless Richard you're like of all my friends

[00:43:08] the person who has least lived by that well I mean I have fear I haven't a fear for self-preservation I saw the truck race video the truck video that was as funny you say that too because I was like come on jump across rooftops

[00:43:30] Johnny that's absurd don't do that with kids that's I would have totally done that back then yeah right we jump out of the lifts we challenge accepted we raced around on inner in your truck yeah so I couldn't have I couldn't say much about that I mean

[00:43:50] but that was kind of ridiculous like what is she Spider-Man you know she's flying across a 10 foot gap there yeah where's this parkour all right I think it's your turn Rima well my number one was Terry Silver so I'm just trying to think of what we haven't already

[00:44:12] mentioned I did pick up on some different vibes from this modern day Terry Silver versus who we met in the 80s and the gift that he has now that he didn't have back then is perspective so I thought that was really interesting he's like

[00:44:28] you know because Chris is going off about Miyagi and this old man and he's like well we're the old men now let's take that wisdom and I was like yeah I was like this is interesting this is an interesting Terry Silver I'm very intrigued about what

[00:44:44] what this means moving forward and I thought it was interesting he was able to talk Chris out of repeating their old patterns because it's like that didn't work before you know we did that or you did that it didn't work right we've got to try

[00:44:56] something new and I'm super curious to see where it goes and again just leaving it there at the end of season or the episode 4 I was like oh my god I have to stop watching I'm really really interested and I'm

[00:45:08] you know curious what you guys think about that because I don't know but I it's it's cool to see him this way when they were saying like if we just repeat the same thing it's just gonna go the same way I kind of thought maybe that's what the

[00:45:24] writers when they're like okay how should we have this story go well if we just repeat the same thing it's just gonna go the same way yeah I haven't say that right I was gonna say it's like verbatim what they were thinking straight out of the writer's room

[00:45:38] yeah well to expand on Terry Silver I totally love what he's bringing to the show man you know Terry Silver being the voice of Reasing loud what the hell man that was a turn of events interesting that was totally unexpected but I like the way they did that

[00:45:56] and he says to Chris you know forget the kids let's go after Daniel and Johnny I think is what he's basically saying I like that you know refreshing dynamic would you say I like that I like that it would be so awesome to finally

[00:46:22] make the adults the focus of the show instead of the kids I think they do a pretty good job balancing it out don't you because when they showed up and they had the confrontation at Miyagi Do yeah I literally

[00:46:36] yelled out at the TV I was like you jerks because I had to wait for a week because a big theme of the movies and the show is you know how adults influence kids you need both so oh yeah no I'm not saying get rid of the kids

[00:46:56] I just want to shift the focus more to the adults yeah I feel like that sometimes too and the writers did a good job with bringing Terry back too you know they didn't do it too fast and they didn't do it too slow so it was boring

[00:47:10] they did it just right I like that it was the crème brûlée torch that really got him it triggered the PTSD click click click click and it was the same actor playing young Terry as last season I looked it up

[00:47:28] yeah they did a good job with those two actors yeah they had some mannerisms and if you remember last season they were trying to trick us into thinking it was one of the other guys that other guy yeah he got killed and because he had a ponytail yep

[00:47:48] I had a note when the Silver and Chris were in the dojo talking about making the same mistakes if you listen to the kids in the background I think it was Kyler he's like we got to hit him back with a home invasion man

[00:48:02] they hit us with sprinklers hit him back with a home invasion I'm like nice setup that's hilarious oh that Kyler kid he's been getting my nerves since season one but we need a kid like him I know he's necessary but he's very effective he's my nerves

[00:48:24] he's a dork okay that was your first last one right so it's my turn okay I'm going to do my whole call backs and references thing but some of them I'm going to have you guys guess what it refers to oh shit pop quiz yeah so

[00:48:44] Miguel falls into the pond and Daniel says looks like you're a little wet behind the ears what's that from a little wet behind the ears I don't remember that line but I remember Daniel falling off the boat that's it yeah and Miyagi goes

[00:49:04] oh Daniel's on you all wet behind ears okay good this one I won't do as a trivia I'll do like a few different ones but Chris says to his students as you know our enemies are working together they're combining their styles to beat us

[00:49:22] but they are destined to fall because there's only one way and what is that way and they say the way of the fist sir which in karate kid he said what do we study here the way of the fist sir

[00:49:36] and what is that way strike first strike heart no mercy nice this one's probably too hard Kenny shows up to Cobra Kai and asks for Robbie and Chris says Mr. Keen and Mr. Miyagi is a visitor which is like when Daniel and Miyagi went to see Johnny

[00:49:56] at the dojo in karate kid and Chris said class we have visitors then Chris invited Daniel to get on the mat and take care of his problems with Johnny right there but Mr. Miyagi said too much advantage yo dojo what about Kenny backing off the mat so much

[00:50:14] to remember anything I found that to be funny yeah I think he only did it once or twice maybe just once or maybe twice yeah even when he came back his second time he did it again dude he was pretty small what about when Robbie said to Kenny

[00:50:36] always look your opponent in the eye Miyagi told that to Daniel whenever he bow he goes na na na na na always look opponent in the eye yeah that was a guy it was funny when Daniel tells Miguel how his mom saved

[00:50:54] and scrimped for his college and then he blew it on the flight to Okinawa which is more expensive than the day before and then he won that in an ice breaking contest and blew it all on the bonsai store and as far as

[00:51:06] I don't think we know for sure whether the bonsai store was successful but it seems like not because Daniel here says don't even ask yeah so maybe it wasn't and then he never went to college he says I never went to college which in Karate Kid 3

[00:51:22] when one way that he got Mr. Miyagi to agree to take his money was he said I'll go later I promise but he never did we see young Terry looking in the mirror at his new Cobra Kai tattoo and he goes cool I like it yes

[00:51:42] yeah it's the beginning I'll say it again if you guys listening are into the show and just never got around to watching Karate Kid 3 it would be good to watch it just to fully appreciate his character I thought it was neat that young Kreese

[00:51:58] entered the newly formed Cobra Kai into the very first All Valley Under 18 Karate tournament so it went way back to the like 70s or whatever mm-hmm okay this is one I don't know if you'll get it's a little harder in the high school bathroom Hawk tells Kenny

[00:52:18] you should get out of Cobra Kai while you still can because they're about to go down and then as he and Nate and Bird are leaving one of those guys says I think he's gonna cry was that I don't remember one bathroom scene

[00:52:34] that was with the shower curtain thing and he put the hose not that one was that when the Cobra I don't remember what scene it feels like it was one of the scenes where they were they did something to Daniel

[00:52:48] and I can't remember what it was and they yelled oh looks like he's gonna cry yeah I mean it was at the tournament when he was in the locker room getting ready and Dutch came in and said hello Daniel what's the matter mom he's not here

[00:53:02] to dress you and then he goes points are no points you're dead meat and then the ref was like get out of here and then Tommy the same one who said get my body bag goes where to go I think he's gonna cry

[00:53:12] I feel like it was the same voice of the game of body or get a body bag yeah it makes sense I can hear that this one I kind of love because Daniel tells Miguel that he caught his mom on a date with Mr. Harris his history teacher

[00:53:28] and I'm like is that the same one and it is in karate kid he's at school in the courtyard he's asked Ellie hey what are you doing Friday night you know let's go out so they make a date and then he's she leaves and he sees

[00:53:41] Johnny and the other Cobra Kai coming towards him and then he to distract or you know handle the situation he goes that because the teacher is walking by he goes Mr. Harris can I talk to you LaRusso third period history class

[00:53:56] I wanted to tell you I really got a lot out of that lecture about how the Indian got the horse it was great I was telling my buddies about it but I kind of mess it up so I was wondering if you could give us a quick review

[00:54:04] and they're all like oh we got to go sorry I'm sorry and then the teacher puts his arm around Daniel goes well that just leaves me and you know LaRusso but that's alright yeah I'll explain it to you and you can pass the information on to your friends

[00:54:16] and he's this like balding you know boring looking dude who apparently dated Daniel's mom after that nice gotta get Daniel in the college he said he got an A right so he gave him an A when Daniel is having Miguel start his mom's car

[00:54:36] that all that remind me of him starting Daniel starting the car that Miyagi gave him and when Miguel he gets in and he tells Miguel okay let's go and Miguel says what I don't know how to drive a car that's like when Miyagi had Daniel

[00:54:52] drive his truck to the dojo to talk to Chris he goes you know how to drive and Daniel goes yeah I do and he hands him the keys and he goes oh no I'm not very good at it and Miyagi says me neither

[00:55:03] well I don't have a license me neither I guess it's okay then and then he said Daniel said to Miguel I suggest you back us out nice and slow and that's like when he was with Ali let her drive his new car

[00:55:18] and he goes let it out slow and she's all this is awesome how fast does it go and he goes let's not find out there was a bunch of them let's see what was this one okay this is a good one for you guys

[00:55:33] Robbie is talking to Kenny he says over at Miyagi Do I was taught you can learn all the moves but none of that matters unless you have balance and then Terry Silver walks in and Robbie's like it's a Cobra Kai lesson I was just using Miyagi Do

[00:55:47] and Silver's like it's okay balance is crucial a man can't stand he can't fight oh that's from Crotikid3 Crotikid3 that's what he tells Daniel yeah he tells him that right before he's torturing him have him kick that hard wood yep to teach him to sweep the leg

[00:56:05] but really just to fuck with him yep when Johnny tells Robbie he doesn't know the whole story about Cobra Kai Robbie says I know enough but I think Johnny's thinking Chris tried to kill me in the parking lot after a tournament

[00:56:22] you know if he knew that maybe it would change his mind okay the whole sprinkler's on the baseball diamond and Johnny says so you picked a fight didn't show up and then you doused him with the hose you just poked the bear yeah Crotikid when Daniel

[00:56:39] was hosting when Johnny was getting a blaze up in the bathroom which I agree yeah he totally poked the bear he totally poked the bear just applying what they've learned yeah and Daniel yeah he's proud of it and I'm like dude you never learn

[00:56:55] see he wasn't perfect that was like his biggest thing but Johnny says what do you think they're just gonna leave well enough alone which is what he also said when the Cobra Kai in their skeleton costumes were beating the shit out of

[00:57:07] Daniel you just couldn't leave well enough alone could you well now you're gonna pay then right after that they show up and Johnny knows that's what he was taught and that's what they're passing on he knows yeah you do

[00:57:21] that shit you're gonna get it and Daniel should know that too Robbie says to Miguel you remember what happened last time we fought right that was Miguel ending up in the hospital at the end of season two I keep forgetting that I keep forgetting

[00:57:35] like broken back yeah seems like so long ago and then the last thing in the whole callbacks and references is I just love how they had Terry Silver with his long flowing hair not in a ponytail like before so he looks like this hippie

[00:57:49] that he's become kind of this liberal elite then when he switches back to old Terry Silver and puts it in a ponytail he looks like the good old cocaine adult toxic slug jumping Terry Silver that we know that was awesome it was so cool

[00:58:03] just that act it was like bait or putting on his helmet yes it's like Sylvester Stallone flipping the hat backwards in over the top I thought you were gonna do a ramble but that's good too right yeah that's right with the headband oh yes that was the best

[00:58:25] the red torn from his that woman's dress put on his head and then he kills everyone that's badass that came out right around the same time as Karate get to Rambo Rambo part two okay what about notes wonder if Daniel could beat Rambo I'd say no probably not

[00:58:51] just knife him huh John Rambo is pretty badass he got stopped messing with those Vietnam vets gosh well you mentioned the sprinkler thing that was definitely a good callback that kind of triggered Johnny a little bit there we mentioned Miguel's dad do we think he might show up

[00:59:11] I do now that they keep mentioning it yeah that they mentioned it and maybe it is Terry Silver I felt like that would be a little too so Barbara too much of a coincidence but it's a comedy show they might do it

[00:59:25] yeah how would they do that though wait I'm your father no or if not this season then like maybe next maybe they're just kind of setting that stage a little bit like we need to play this story out right yeah so I don't know I'm curious about that

[00:59:45] we've already talked about all my other notes that was really the only thing was curious if Miguel's dad would maybe show up either this season or next so I don't know maybe it'll be Sylvester Stallone that'd be awesome oh my god I want to die hey dude yo

[01:00:05] rich notes I really enjoyed the opening sequence I think it was episode three and you know Johnny's drinking beer when Daniel's trying to get everybody to meditate they you know grabs Daniel's food with his hands Daniel tries the ham sandwich I like the back and forth

[01:00:25] they're legit trying to get along yeah it was nice to see them working together and they're out on that sparring Matt that made just like the ancient Miyagi one doing some pretty cool looking karate moves yeah I noticed that too I was like hey they're getting pretty good

[01:00:43] after four years of actually practicing they're starting to get pretty good kicks are getting higher, faster, stronger that was fun and then Johnny did the crane yes yes it was the crane he's like why did Daniel just walk up yeah he's like what's up

[01:00:59] I wondered if William Zabka had to revise that because it really looked in the moment like it caught you know I might not do off guard I love that that would make it even better if he did that was probably my favorite moment

[01:01:13] of all of these two episodes you want to look one little kick yep an illegal move did you guys notice the on the side of Johnny's minivan you put on this on his little wow that was well done too say the paint job probably

[01:01:35] cause more than the cars worth well being that he stole the car right I wonder because the show is called Cobra Kai so it's interesting that Johnny now is eagle fang I wonder if Johnny will get Cobra Kai back at some point maybe good point

[01:01:55] Chris said at one point I think it was the first time Terry came to see him in the dojo and not sure why he was there but Chris said you're just an old man in the last chapter of his life clinging to some bullshit happy ending

[01:02:11] I was like oh man that's harsh now that I've got fewer years in front of me then behind me I'm like oh that hurts a little bit yeah and that's another thing about this show it's important to come out because when we were kids

[01:02:29] I've said a couple times in this episode it's about adults and their influence on kids and we took the kids perspectives but now that we're older and so are the kids but they are now parents and just like Daniel I didn't have a father figure

[01:02:43] and now I have to try to be a good role model so I identify with his struggles there I'm gonna have to go ask my daughters after this if I'm being a good dad yeah you're a good dad having my doubts talking to Chris

[01:03:03] he's like a roller coaster ride man he's a master manipulator he'll just like just pull out and salt you right to your face and then follow that up with like a serious heartfelt compliment like he tells he tells Terry you know there's no one in the world

[01:03:17] I trust more than you I mean that's pretty serious and I believe it too yeah you just said I'm an old man with a bullshit happy life and now you're telling me you trust me more than anybody else in the world he knows how to

[01:03:31] get to people's weaknesses he does he's really good at pinpointing that and using it depending on who he's talking to I think I mentioned that in the last podcast depending on who he's talking to whether it's Daniel, Amanda or whoever he knows

[01:03:47] how to get straight to that person and hit that button and manipulate he's really good at that it's a snake what do you think about Johnny and Carmen remember Johnny talked about them because I was like oh yeah they're getting together that might affect

[01:04:05] how that would affect Miguel well yeah because you know he's worried about that relationship that he feels he's kind of losing Miguel a little bit to Daniel and he was definitely talking about Ally in the other episodes one of the first two episodes

[01:04:21] and kind of thinking oh hey maybe there's something going on there I don't know how he's gonna feel about like you know his Johnny, his sensei one of his senseis dating his mom it was funny Johnny's googling how do I tell my students I'm banging their mom

[01:04:41] he's worried about it you didn't get the right answer did he Daniel's kind of inadvertently priming Miguel to be upset about this too by talking about his history teacher that got with his own mom and says talk about awkward but when I first saw Carmen

[01:04:59] trying to tell Johnny it's okay to tell him and saw that Johnny was like I don't know if that'll mess things up and she goes okay well you just tell him when you're ready I just thought that was really cool of Carmen

[01:05:09] I think the clear thing to do is to tell him don't hide it from him come on but you understand why he doesn't want to yeah but still he's told about Sid he flipped out he ought to say something because it's affecting his performance

[01:05:21] I didn't think about that so he needs to say something but that echoed what happened to Johnny in his past where his mom told him about Sid and he running back to his dad's stuff or whatever that part I got but I mean Miguel's way older

[01:05:37] yeah and he's also I mean also Johnny's not like Sid right yeah that's a good point yeah he's not like an abusive asshole maybe he's himself yeah he's kind of abusive but he's fun he's in a fun way in a fun way he's a fun guy

[01:05:57] I think there's a chance he could actually be stoked except for the show they like to make things dramatic so maybe not I bet it would probably start dramatic you gotta color it gray yeah right in that scene when they were in bed they had the big

[01:06:13] discussion about Top Gun that was hilarious you can't call yourself a Maverick because he got his partner killed too that's not cool yeah RIP goose it absolutely makes sense that Johnny would be an Iceman fan over Maverick Iceman abs for days because Daniel is Maverick well not really

[01:06:39] but Johnny's definitely a more Iceman that's hilarious the last note I have was seeing Silver and Crease on the map together I thought that was pretty powerful when he finally came out after he was introduced as one of the founding members

[01:06:53] of Cobra Kai and they were standing there together on the map and I was like whoa yeah one thing you can say about Cobra Kai is they certainly presented United Front you know like powerful and then you know they flip over to Miyagi

[01:07:06] and it's all drama and confusion yeah right I like that too that was a great scene it was intimidating I thought yeah plus Silver is a big dude man yeah they definitely present an intimidating front there so yeah I thought that was great

[01:07:25] great visual seeing them too there on the map and their black geese yeah okay that's it yeah that does it I love Daniel and Miguel listening to Sailing Take Me Away by Christopher Cross that's the song right Christopher Cross and of course Daniel mentioned Chicago because

[01:07:49] Peter Sotero who was the lead singer of Chicago did Glory of Love which was the big song with Karate Kid 2 that shot it into this stratosphere huge number one hit on the billboard charts and then he mentioned Billy Joel too yeah cause Johnny loves Daniels

[01:08:09] into the mellow stuff Michael Mcdonald Billy Joel, Chicago and Johnny mentions Scorpions and Slaughter and I like it all right I like it all yeah you gotta have all of it I'm a little more on Daniel's side I guess Billy Joel is the best

[01:08:25] but I like Scorpions too they're awesome I never paid much attention to Billy Joel in the 80s but in the early 90s I went to see one of his concerts and it was like frickin awesome there was like fire coming out of the stage

[01:08:37] his piano was flying through the air on cables and he improvised almost all of his music cause he's an awesome musician I became a fan after that that's awesome I would love to see Billy Joel I haven't but

[01:08:51] I'm a fan too I grew up on Billy Joel back when I was a kid that makes me sound really old but yeah I bet he puts on a damn good show he did let's see I had a bunch of funny situations and lines but I think we've

[01:09:09] gone through a lot of it when Johnny says when an eagle is hungry it doesn't hesitate it'll dive down at 100 miles an hour to snatch its prey it doesn't wait around for a fish to jump in its feet and the hunter says talons it's not talon it's instinct

[01:09:31] Dmitri that was pretty funny when Johnny dressed him up like a punching bag yeah they'd kick some of the balls and then says what do you got something about tighten your core good job tighten your core later on he's like you alright

[01:09:49] I think they're coming back to their original color Sam Samantha said to Johnny my dad wouldn't want us doing this Johnny I'll give me a break you do everything your mommy and daddy tell you to if they told you to jump off a bridge would you

[01:10:05] you're telling me to jump off a building yeah on to another building Anthony says to Johnny what the hell are you doing here I was invited who the hell are you wait are you the son what did you do switch to whopper juniors it's called a growth spurt

[01:10:23] still a piece of crap I liked how they said the last two under their breath but I love that Johnny noticed Anthony lost weight like we all did still a piece of crap still a piece of crap so I guess Anthony was just there to introduce Kenny huh

[01:10:37] I guess he's not going to be a part of that whole shebang I feel like that story is not over yeah I think we're good no because the reason Kenny is taking karate is to deal with Anthony and his friends I think that's gonna

[01:10:51] once he gets a little bit more experience in Cobra Kai I feel like that's gonna come back yeah yeah how do I tell my students that I'm banging his mom all this porn comes up I like they have a little thing with Nate and Bert the two like

[01:11:07] skinniest kids they're talking about how this one girl Bert says yeah we had a moment together uh Lexi somebody alright I know she's a total jilf what's that a junior I'd like to whoa then I just thought it was good to see those two hanging out

[01:11:29] because they were the enemies in the karate war right like just a couple of years ago when they were half their size yeah right short of the world's Bert and then later Nate says so Lexi wants me to send pictures and Bert's like dude

[01:11:43] I think you're being catfished that's a risk I'm willing to take so I feel like that's a little like side story that's gonna keep playing out I giggled a bit when uh when Daniel was teaching Miguel how to drive and he sped up when the light turned yellow

[01:11:59] because I did that all the time I mean to me it's like people say red light or yellow light means slow down no it means speed up I'm like no it means you judge based on how far you are from the line

[01:12:13] it means you're being timed on how quickly you can get through the intersection we didn't really talk about this but it was kind of a clever thing how they made us think that Tori got a job as a stripper oh yeah right I was like dude

[01:12:29] she's not even 18 and then she's there in the dressing room with this sleazy guy saying come on girls and they go out and she's a mermaid they're all getting primped up and you're like oh man are they gonna pull dance

[01:12:39] and then as a kid party you're like oh that's adorable I think we were catfished and then the whole thing about I kind of yeah I kind of liked how were you hoping to see something I kind of liked how they had

[01:12:59] you know Hawk was it Hawk no not Hock Kyler I didn't like that he was being such a dick having Kenny order all that stuff but then I did kind of like how Brobby was like yeah get me a Butterfingers too that was cute but then

[01:13:15] he comes back with all that stuff in his hands and Hawk bumped into him and knocked it all out and I'm like dude that's like probably more than $100 worth of food money that's what I thought too what a waste of food I didn't like that

[01:13:31] that's all I got awesome there's a lot of stuff in these two amps they chalk them full of lots of things I mean I think it's because it's calm it's like a comedy they're denser you get these little bits of dopamine every like second yeah

[01:13:55] there's a lot of material to draw from too yeah yep that's for sure alright that was really fun we'll take a little break there's more to come I'll see you in the next one bye love's die alright we're back it's time for some news

[01:14:52] alright there was an interview with Ralph Maccio with the Hollywood Reporter and I just took you can read the entire thing if you want to go look up but I just took a little piece of that that I thought was kind of interesting they start off

[01:15:06] they say you've been critical of part 3 in the past in reference to Crotikid 3 they said do you still feel that way or have you reexamined it after this season of Cobra Kai with the return of Terry Silver Ralph Maccio says

[01:15:18] I was not a fan of how the Crotikid 3 came out I felt the story was only repeating itself and was not character forwarding for the end of LaRusso and production wise it was being written one way and then changed another way it was not a smooth ride

[01:15:32] in the end there were parts of the character that I didn't embrace as well as I did with the original and the first sequel was on the top of my resume however however it informs Cobra Kai going forward clearly it was season 4 it gives us so much story

[01:15:50] and what is so wonderful about doing the Cobra Kai series the creators find ways to take that story and let it evolve and find backstories for characters who might have been thinly written he said there's a larger than life element to Cobra Kai

[01:16:00] when you break it down it's kind of ridiculous but that's why it's so much fun so you take a character like Terry Silver with whose larger than life elements in his relationship with Daniel then add those layers of complexity to his evilness and now it becomes a refined

[01:16:14] performance on top of that from the perspective of Daniel as an adult now we're adding other stakes and elements about his own kids and students it's remarkable that what I would call the shortcomings of the original franchise are now bearing fruit 36 years later wow that was very eloquent

[01:16:30] yeah that was a good last line yeah I thought so too I'm glad he didn't say oh yeah I rethought it and I like it now he was very honest and I agree with the things that he said no it's not a great movie but

[01:16:44] it's fun to see them make hay out of it now yeah absolutely he's on point they also one more little thing that they asked he said in my opinion you're the Karate Kid gatekeeper how much do you pitch for the overall story and do you interject

[01:17:00] when something feels off and he laughs and says there's no lack of me interjecting there is that push and pull at times but that collaboration makes for a better project this is the creators yeah he said this is the creators and writer

[01:17:14] show I will pitch at the beginning of each season what I would like to see for Daniel or overall and the creators are the tiebreaker but from script to script if I see something I say something this character is very precious to me but he is

[01:17:26] so precious to me that I need someone to oversee the entire painting and not just the colors I represent the writers and creators have earned that and deserve that so that is how we move forward at the end of the day no one knows

[01:17:36] better than them where it is going and what they want now that's interesting he makes a pitch on where he wants to see his character go because sometimes they make him out to be a dick yeah well I respect that because actors who just want to be

[01:17:52] look good I don't like that I'd like it when an actor will purposefully want to play flaws and hopefully that's what he's doing that's not the part he's arguing about they're insisting or something I have a feeling he enjoys it who knows Daniels

[01:18:12] like I was going to say in the whole thing about absent fathers and people who are unsupportive the opposite of that can be overbearing and helicopter parents and moralizing and that's where he goes a little wrong and so it's interesting that where he's texting

[01:18:30] Samantha don't do anything I wouldn't do that's really what pushes her to do it is Daniel you know that's where he goes wrong is just being too full of himself holier than now and controlling people and stuff like that yeah that wasn't the best phrasing

[01:18:48] they used a lot of texts too I like how they integrate the texts into the plot yep yep that's all I have for news cool let's do the listener feedback Rima okay first one is from Jonathan Bookalill says is Samantha the true supervillain of Cobra Kai

[01:19:08] she causes most of the trouble and can impossibly leap tall buildings in a single bound would you like that Rich? awesome man that's a good summary BarryEvitt writes I enjoyed these episodes but I do feel that Johnny was out of line

[01:19:26] asking those kids to jump from one building to the other and Samantha surprised me doing the 180 and going through with it I actually felt for Tori at the Mermaid Party she really tried to be the bigger person when Samantha was rousing her at her job

[01:19:40] Samantha really came across as petty and childish hopefully she grows up a bit as the season progresses again agreed doble you know Bob Grippy says TS meaning Terry Silver is the man without him on the show it would have been a 6 out of 10

[01:19:58] sort of season that was more likely to be predictable and repetitive try not to quote try not to miss the mattresses rolling on the floor laughing 30 feet down as if that's actually really your fault I don't really know exactly what it means there but I get the idea

[01:20:14] I don't think it would actually break your fault nope Louise Crisp says I can't tell you how much I enjoyed the show it's my favorite show on TV at the moment looking forward to your podcast awesome thank you glad you're digging it two calls here's Mike Caruso

[01:20:36] Hey Jason Rehman Richard it's Mike from Cincinnati just finished episode 4 and I feel really bad for this Kenny character he gets bullied everywhere he goes by pretty much everybody he gets bullied by Danny's asshole son and his friends he gets bullied by you know the random Miyagi

[01:20:56] Doe and Eagle Fan characters that he runs into at the bathroom and the movie theater and he even gets bullied by his own team members in Cove or Kai in that Kyler asshole really just kind of sucks to watch I feel bad for him

[01:21:14] I hope his story gets a little bit better and other than that I really love what they're doing with Terry Silver he was always kind of a weird character in part 3 of Karate Kid there's a real moral gray area or maybe not moral gray area

[01:21:34] but there's like a super gray area with what he's trying to do and it's kind of hard to figure out and I really dig it and I'm looking forward to see what they do with it so also looking forward to hearing your guys' podcast

[01:21:44] talk to you guys later Thanks Don't worry Mike Cove or Kai will turn Kenny into an asshole in no time I feel exactly the same way Mike I feel kind of like God let's get this kid some wins here because as I said last time

[01:22:02] I think he seems like a really great kid and I like what the actor is doing and yeah he's just getting shit everywhere he goes you're right yep I agree that's a good voicemail Mike but I think Robby it is interesting

[01:22:16] to see his relationship with Robby so that was cool alright here's Steve Brown Hi, hello Jason, Reema and Rich I'm assuming all three of you are there again I just finished the podcast for episodes 1 and 2 and now it's time for episode 3 and 4 This is Steve

[01:22:34] another great soundtrack moment he's drinking a beer while they're meditating and then they're drinking some dango they're catching the bottle cap in the air they're giving us some layers to Terry Silver with the PTSD went behind the ears just like what Mr. Ryagi said to Daniel

[01:22:48] it's not talent it's instinct how elaborate did that prank have to be to get the kids locker with milk seal it so when he opens it that's crazy I love Daniel kind of breaking down cardigan 2 and 3 real quick here this scene with Miguel

[01:23:02] oh no I hope this does not go badly for Sam oh she made it Terry Silver look at the tattoo you just said I like it oh he's putting the hair in the ponytail Terry Silver is coming back bonding with Miguel right in front of Johnny uh oh

[01:23:18] alright episode 4 they had to remove anything that could possibly be a weapon because of the karate incident oh just kicked him in the nads oh I have no comment about this scene with Johnny and Miguel's mom in bed I don't know how Reema's going to react to this

[01:23:34] Johnny Lawrence breaking down top gun oh that won't help the relationship with Tori seeing her were there mermaids at the birthday party oh I don't think he's going to do the quick silver method please don't a man can stand a man can't fight

[01:23:50] wow I got a little choked up there in that scene that flashback of Johnny with his mom not just thinking about the scene itself but remembering Ed Asner and how we're not going to have him in this season oh come on Sam you're just pouring salt

[01:24:06] in the wound here oh blood sport classic bandam love Demetri not another rumble oh they're going to escalate things that was pretty funny though the water sprinklers of the baseball diamond okay I'm not sure how much I buy I buy this like common collected Terry Silver

[01:24:30] I mean the coach revenge had seeking Terry Silver conversation is going to be good can't wait for next week I'm so glad you mentioned blood sport God I forgot to mention that I love that freaking movie so much

[01:24:44] I can tell you how much I used to watch it they're going old school yeah classic I just showed Nico the Matrix last night I hadn't seen it in a long time but we watched it together he liked it Kung Fu

[01:25:02] I actually had shown him those kung fu scenes before just trying to get him pumped on his because he takes kung fu but not the whole movie and yeah he goes yeah that was pretty good awesome just don't show him the latest one yeah

[01:25:16] I won't show him any other ones they all sucked alright that is our show thanks for listening everybody if you want to write in or record a message send it in you can email us at talk at podcastica.com we also put up a

[01:25:41] post for each week's episode on our facebook page at facebook.com slash podcastica and be sure to check out the other great podcasts at podcastica.com yeah Reema and Paker about to wrap up Dexter for the finale which we will not spoil here but

[01:25:59] if you've seen it, if you want to hear a discussion about it you should definitely check them out over at strange indeed and this week's yellow jacket was insane I'm kind of bummed I don't get to be on the podcast for that this week but

[01:26:13] it was so crazy it was interesting and then we liked Boba Fett me and Chris and Eric we liked this week's quite a lot pretty cool cool I like the first episode so I make just to watch the second one next episode of Cobra Kai

[01:26:31] will be seasons 4 episodes 5 and 6 match point and Kicks Get Chicks Kicks Get Chicks uh oh nice is that a Johnnyism probably I'm pretty sure Daniel didn't say that hahahahahaha hahahahahaha alright that's our show thanks for listening I like that