25: “Playing with Fire” & “Downward Spiral” (S5E3&4)

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[00:00:35] You should know that by now. I believe you two have met? Sensei Taguchi! You might have some old friends to call upon, but not as many as me. I'm giving you the opportunity right now. To stand down. No retaliation. No repercussions.

[00:00:56] All I have to do is stay out of my way. This is my backyard. I'm not the one who needs to go. I actually like this attitude, aren't you? It's the same. I won't get to see it again because if you continue down this path,

[00:01:12] nothing in your life will ever be the same again. You're playing with fire, Danny Boy. And I am Gasuri. Hello everybody. Welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason. And I'm Richard. And I'm Rima. And this is Cobra Kai Cast. This week we're covering Cobra Kai Season 5, episodes 3 and 4,

[00:01:53] titled Playing with Fire and Downward, Downward, Downward Spiral. Sorry. It's a tough one. That was a downroaled spiral right there. Yeah, that sentence. That's a struggle. Well, let me see if I can do a little better. Cobra Kai Season 5, episode 3 and 4, Playing with Fire, Nope, and Downward Spiral.

[00:02:21] So what is the sentence? We never have to say those again. So what did you think of it, Richard? Welp, the teen drama is back. Yeah, I thought about you. Yes, it is. It's your favorite. It was there full blown. Personally, I didn't really miss it.

[00:02:43] But in the Downward Spiral episode, it did stir up some feelings for a pair of the kids for me. So I appreciated that. You know what? These two episodes had me laughing out loud more, I think, than at least for a long time and often.

[00:03:01] And then also had me a bit pissed off or at least frustrated at least. Yeah. In my book, any show that can do that is a good show.

[00:03:09] And the moment where Carmen revealed that she is in fact pregnant, that had all welling up like my heart filled with joy. It was a bit surprising. I thought it was going to be the classic scare. Well, that would have been too obvious.

[00:03:27] He did all this work and then it turned out she wasn't even pregnant. So right before, I mean, I was kind of thinking that too, but then right before it happened, I'm like, no, I think she's actually going to be pregnant. Yeah, the teen conflict.

[00:03:41] I've thought about you as I said when I was watching that teen drama. And I think that part of this show is not, I'm not that into it either, but I also think it's important to the show because it's a show about raising kids.

[00:03:54] So we need to see both sides, the adults and the kids, you know? Yeah. So it makes sense. I noticed a pretty cool juxtaposition in there too. I want to mention later. All right. Well, what did you think, Reema? Did you like them? I did.

[00:04:08] I was definitely feeling more like this was Cobra Kai than like the premiere episode where I was just, yeah, where I was like, what am I watching? You know, this felt more at home for me because we had some really great.

[00:04:24] Well, like Rich was saying, you know, a lot of emotions. You had the kid drama which we knew we're going to get, you know, we wouldn't have Cobra Kai, I guess without it. It was going to come back at some point.

[00:04:33] You know, Daniel being typical hothead kind of regressing back a little bit.

[00:04:39] He seemed a little bit like his Karate Kid 3 self just falling a pieces there a little bit, which I think is, I think that might be on purpose given that in both of Karate Kid 3 and this episode Terry Silver's getting under skin. Yeah, absolutely. So damaged goods.

[00:04:54] For sure. So, so yeah, I liked him some good moments. Got to got the return of Mike Barnes and some good stuff. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. So episode three, I loved it. I was smiling all the way through at the whole thing.

[00:05:13] That's so great when I mean literally like, you catch yourself just smiling at a TV show. It's like, this must be good. Episode four was fine. Yeah, it was a lot of teen drama.

[00:05:23] But also I'm getting stressed about the conflict with the kids, especially when like Miguel goes out and just pushes Robbie. I thought you weren't in Cobra Kai. It's like, we'll just ask him what's going on dude. Like, just stresses me out.

[00:05:34] But anyway, the Terry Silver stuff was good with the whole charity auction. So I liked this episode. Yeah. I liked them both. Yeah. A lot of stuff going on.

[00:05:44] And before we get into our points, I have a question for both of you because I know that you were both really into Karate Kid.

[00:05:51] Especially you, Jason, but I know you both were into Karate Kid and you know, we're into the originals, you know, back in the day.

[00:05:57] I'm curious what it was like for you guys growing up with the trilogy as a kid or young man and then seeing Johnny Lawrence chosen and Mike Barnes all in the same episode. It was surreal. What was that like? It was totally surreal.

[00:06:12] And then the twist they put on Mike Barnes, you know, I was just like, whoa. But that first instance, you know, when they were panning up like they were showing his shoes and they pan up as he's walking out to his car for the very first time.

[00:06:24] And then you see his face. I was like, whoa, it's Mike Barnes. Yeah. I had kind of my experience was nothing like that. I was like, okay, where are we going to get Mike Barnes?

[00:06:36] Because clearly they keep talking about Terry Silver's old friends and it's got who else do we know? It's got to be him. If it's not Snake and Dennis, although that'd be pretty cool if Snake and Dennis show up.

[00:06:46] But then when he turned out to be a good guy, I also thought that might happen because if he'd just been a bad guy, then it would have just been like Terry Silver and that would be too similar.

[00:06:59] So I was happy for it, but it did not shock me. In fact, when he was on the phone talking about we're going to chop off the legs, I'm like, sounds like he's talking about furniture. Oh, really? Yeah, I was fooled by all that stuff.

[00:07:12] In fact, I laughed out loud when they showed Mike Barnes his face after walking out in his suit and everything because I was like, hey, it's Mike Barnes, but he looks like a totally normal just everyday dad dude. Yeah.

[00:07:24] And I like that because it reminded me of this one guy in high school. I don't think he's going to be listening. I'll say his name. It's Merrill Heisman. Remember him? Oh, yeah, yeah.

[00:07:38] He was a fun guy, but he and I didn't get along and he could be a little bit much sometimes.

[00:07:43] And when I like you in half the school ran into him at what you call it our reunion, he was apologizing to a lot of people about his behavior and loud and boisterous. Yeah.

[00:07:59] And so I thought that was so cool back then like, oh, that's really admirable dude. And I talked to him, you know, more had more of a connection.

[00:08:07] And that's kind of how people go a lot of the times they grow up, you know, they grow out of all that stuff when they were kids. So it felt like a real thing that would happen.

[00:08:16] And he just loved it when he was saying, oh, I've just been wanting to apologize to you this whole time and I didn't want to stir things up. But you know, I'm sorry. If you want to rematch some time like that, that was so cute all of it.

[00:08:29] It's deep philosophy when people say, yeah, they're just dumb kids. Yeah. There's a heavy ring of truth to that. I know I was. That's for a damn sure. Oh yeah.

[00:08:40] I just thought it was cool to kind of see, you know, you've got Johnny Lawrence who is, you know, his rival and credit kid one chosen who's his rival in two and then Mike Barnes in three. Yeah. And the same. And Terry Silver. Wow. Yeah.

[00:08:57] This show is populated with Daniel's enemies and his former enemies. And it reminds me of comics. There's always going to be way more villains than heroes in comics because the comics are centered on the heroes.

[00:09:11] So every issue Spider-Man's in, but he's going to fight a new villain every issue. Yeah. Right? So you got that means the writers have to make up more bad guys than good guys for the most part. So it's kind of like that here.

[00:09:23] Daniel at least in movies was the hero. So he has all these bad guys coming back to deal with. You're right, Rima, because I was like, you know, the scene where Daniel chosen and Barnes were all sitting on the couches and stuff and looking at each other.

[00:09:38] I was like, this is weird. It's weird. Yeah. I'm going to get these three people together. You would have never guessed that after watching, you know, all the movies and movies. It was like fan fiction or something. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:09:49] I mean, I was already feeling that in the first two episodes when chosen was over at Terry Silver's house. You know, it's like, that's right. Crotty kid two meets Crotty kid three. Yeah. I got some crossovers and multiverse stuff happening. So yeah, just this fun.

[00:10:04] And I kind of all world everybody. You will run into your ex-Nemesis and the crotty world. I kind of hope that Johnny and Daniel stories crossover. It seems like they're not so far. They've been, yeah, they've been a part.

[00:10:20] Could be a whole season of not, you know, just for change. But I don't know. I like when they crossover. So I guess we'll see. I always love some good Johnny and Daniel interaction when they had some of that, you know, whether

[00:10:33] they were fighting each other or when they were getting along like begrudgingly getting along. I guess, you know, it was always like that together. Yeah. Have so many ups and downs. Yep. And they're a good comedy duo. Yeah.

[00:10:46] It was fun seeing, seeing them, you know, Johnny being the like screw up immature when and Daniel trying to reel him in like, come on, man, you can't be annoyed all the time. Yeah. All right. Let's get into our points.

[00:11:01] Let's try to have a different person go first each week. So we all get a chance. Who went first last week? Nobody remembers. I've had two other podcasts since then. I don't remember. Sure. I could be wrong. I think it was Yerima. Okay.

[00:11:18] So forgive me if I'm wrong. So Rich, why don't you go first this time? All right. Well, I got to tell you, Johnny was funny as hell in these two episodes. I mean, I think I was laughing out loud as much during these two episodes as I was

[00:11:31] when the show debuted five years ago. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. So I say we just go over some funny Johnny. Yeah, go for it. Hell yeah. Let's do it. My favorite though, I think is the very first scene in the third episode when he comes in

[00:11:45] and it's like, oh, somebody tagged my car. It takes forever to wipe this stuff off. And he's like, it should be illegal to deface someone's property like that. And the carpet's like, it is. He's like, oh crap. Like where's his head space? What is it? It's just okay.

[00:12:02] I mean, if it happens to you, hey, I got tagged. All right. I'm going to go out and tag somebody else. I think he was probably thinking of all the times he did that himself. That's hilarious.

[00:12:11] So did you guys see what was written on the condom box when he was at the pharmacy? And he showed the tech. Tiger, tiger something. Tiger globe. Tiger globe. Of course he would. Well, it says best condom in the wild kingdom and condoms for your pleasure all across.

[00:12:33] Your pleasure. And then the bottom left hand corner, if you look, it says non latex. And so where did he get it? Cause she's like, you didn't get this in a legit place or something. Right. You get it in Mexico or? He's like, it doesn't matter.

[00:12:49] I just need a refund. Like what? It's going to give you a refund for something. But that's kind of funny because it makes it seem pretty clear it was his fault that Carmen got pregnant. You got those sketchy condoms.

[00:13:06] Yeah, it takes me back to like the first season when you're just discovering how out of touch he is. Oh yeah, there was a lot of that in these two episodes. Carmen's looking for pregnancy tests and he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can buy

[00:13:21] the premium version, whatever you like. Oh yeah, Johnny searches when he went into his apartment. He was searching up, you know, he's clearly doesn't know how to clear his search history at all. So it's good callback. You guys pause the screen. I can't remember.

[00:13:41] I mean, I didn't pause the screen. The first one that pops up when he was writing how to says how to tell my students that I'm banging his mom. That is a nice touch. It was a good callback. That is great.

[00:13:56] And then the other one was how to get rid of graffiti. And then the third one was how to find hot babes. That's awesome. Another one that made me laugh out loud was when he was trying to get his apartment baby-proofed.

[00:14:11] He was fumigating because he discovered all those cockroaches on this. Oh God, that was gross. That was disgusting, huh? He's like spraying all this fumigation. There's this fog everywhere and he takes his mask off to drink a beer. And later on, who was it? Miguel.

[00:14:31] Miguel shows up and he's like, oh, it's either paint thinner or pesticide, whatever it is you're smelling there. Just breathe through your mouth. You'll be okay. It'll air out in a couple of days. Yeah, Johnny, he cracked me up in this episode. I was laughing a lot.

[00:14:47] Yeah, I had a couple more when he was on the phone looking for a job. The telephone pole said I could make $30,000 in 30 days for a home. Gosh. Look no further. No, I don't know my bank routing number, but I do know my social security number.

[00:15:01] Yeah, it's one, four. Oh wait, there's someone at my door. Let me call you back. Her maiden name was Brown. Oh my gosh, dude. I got this guy right where I want him. He's so out of touch.

[00:15:14] He's just going to legit give his social right over phone to some stranger. His ex-wife, what if I told you there was a way you could earn real money without being scammed and without a tie? He says, I tried that after high school.

[00:15:27] Some of the women got a little grabby. I love it. It's now canon that Johnny Lawrence was a stripper. Yeah, the montage where he was doing the pickups and the gig economy, the ride share and all that stuff.

[00:15:41] Honestly, myself, I'm a little out of touch with that stuff. I'm not really sure what he was doing, but that was a fail. Yeah, he's the worst. I've got to pick up a guy named Jimmy John. He only got one stars.

[00:15:53] There is too much to write down for that, but the worst in my view was pissing in a beer can while a passenger's right there. That's three dings all in one, you know, beer, pissing, someone's there. At least wait till you don't have anyone in there with you.

[00:16:10] Yeah, totally. And then I was glad since he was doing like Door Dash or whatever, that this poncho guys like here, take a taquito. It'll make you feel better. I already took one. It didn't help.

[00:16:26] There was a scene where the woman got out and was like going like that. You know, she was waving her hand in front of her face and he's like, one star because it smells like beer. That's because there is beer asshole.

[00:16:45] Thanks for being a dork or a geek or, you know, whatever you identify as. Well, they make us say nerd since geek was already taken. I didn't say stop working, Dweeb. He pulls, he's like here, get in here quick. Like he's embarrassed that he's at his door.

[00:17:02] It's like that's an 80s thing that's never going to change with him. That was a good little quick combo. Dmitri, the biggest nerd and Johnny who back in high school would have like pushed him off of a hill or something, you know? The biggest cool kid jock right?

[00:17:18] Yeah, bully. Flawed as he is. He cracked me up. He's not politically correct at all. It's a little bit refreshing and funny, but also a little bit concerning in some cases. How did this guy get this far? I think it's hilarious.

[00:17:41] It's so fun to laugh at for me. I know some people would watch the show and just be offended and so it's not for them. Gonna have to watch the token show on Prime. Yeah. That's a good one too. I'm digging it. All right, Rima.

[00:18:05] Well, while we're talking about Johnny, I'm going to talk about the other side a little bit and we've already mentioned it, but like I was completely shocked. Honestly, I really thought it was going to be more of a scare with Carmen

[00:18:19] that I was like, nah, she's going to be a thing that maybe he's going to get himself in gear and turn himself around and then she's not going to be. But I'm actually glad that she is pregnant. I think it's a great twist.

[00:18:33] Super interesting at Johnny's age that he's going to be a father again. Good point. They're older. I don't know how old Carmen is, but I mean Johnny and Daniel, they're older. It was fun to see Johnny go through his whole nesting phase,

[00:18:51] watching the videos and cleaning up his apartment. Like I said, I found those cockroaches. I was like, oh my God, if you do nothing else, fumigate or do something, get rid of those. But I loved that moment. Yeah, it was.

[00:19:05] And I love that moment with him and Carmen and I like Carmen a lot. I think she's a great addition to the show. And in my opinion, if she chooses metallic as her womb music that tells me all I need to know about her,

[00:19:20] I think Johnny should marry her up immediately and not waste any time. But I think it's interesting because this means that Miguel and Robbie are going to share a sibling. Right. So I'm wondering if this is what, you know, because they're definitely,

[00:19:34] especially we saw in these episodes, you know, they are just, they are not coming to any peace. You know, Johnny is trying so hard to get them to come to peace and he's kind of forcing it.

[00:19:43] And I wonder that this is going to be either something that's going to completely rip them apart or maybe bring them together. I wonder when they find out. Yeah, yeah. I hope so. See that. Yeah. Yeah. I like them both now that Robbie has a better haircut.

[00:20:02] Yes, I know. I hate being that way. But me too. I know it really makes a difference. It does. Anyway, I like them both. And it's shirt off. Right? And also for the most part. They're pretty good looking bloke.

[00:20:15] They're both being, you know, cooler except when they're around each other. So it would be good for them to be friends. It's good setup. Like we all want that. So now they got to start off the season with them totally being anti each other. Yeah.

[00:20:30] I think it'd be great if they fight. I mean, I guess we wouldn't have all the drama and not much of a show. Yeah, exactly. You know, if they get along, but, you know, I think it makes sense that they're kind of fighting and bickering now.

[00:20:42] And but then they learn that they're going to have a sibling and either it's going to make it worse or maybe it'll be something that they're like, hey, we're probably going to be in each other's lives, whether we like it or not,

[00:20:53] because we're going to share share of siblings. So we better learn to get along. I don't think it totally makes sense, but it makes sense in this like karate slash soap opera world where any little conflict is anything exaggerated. It looks more like you. Yeah.

[00:21:13] I hope that it's a little girl. I think it would be really great. Yeah, I bet it will. Yeah. Oh, that would be awesome. That would be a dad of a girl. Yeah. They've already got two boys there in the family. They need they need a little girl.

[00:21:26] And I think it would be definitely Johnny's come up. It's after, you know, the type of person he's been like for ever and ever for him to have a daughter. Yeah. Show of lipstick. He would have to change his ways big time. Yeah.

[00:21:40] There's not going to be more of a bigger turnaround than someone like Johnny who has a daughter and be like, oh, oh yeah, I want to keep her away from guys like me, you know. But at the same time, have her have a deep appreciation for Metallica. Right.

[00:21:55] Yes. So I love I loved all of that. I thought it was a great little twist. I love seeing him go through all the things and growing up and, you know, going through some things because I love that he's definitely, you know, grown since since we saw him

[00:22:11] in season one. So I love all of that. Yeah. He's telling Miguel, you know, he wanted advice on how to talk to Samantha. How about the truth? If you own up to your mistakes, you always have a shot at making things right.

[00:22:23] You don't have to have it all figured out. Just be honest with her and see where it goes from there. And then he's realizing I need to do that myself. But it's just it's cool. They're deciding, OK, Johnny, we've seen Johnny grow

[00:22:35] during this series and it's nice to see. Right. And there's no end to his growth. I mean, you could spend 10 years growing this guy to catch him up to modern time. He's got a way to go to. But no, he's come a long way.

[00:22:50] And when he finally like she told him we're having a baby and he goes bad ass. I was just like, oh, that's so great. Yeah. Yeah. He had that epiphany and then he had one when he was with the pawn shop owner. Yeah.

[00:23:05] He had to a pawn shop owner had to give him some life advice. Yeah, during that part I was like, oh God, I'm feeling guilty about being a podcaster because it was like you don't have to like the work you do. You know, do it for the kids.

[00:23:20] I'm like, all right. You feel like he was talking to you there or something. I love my kids. I could spend more time with them because I'm home. Right. All right. Anything else? Nope, not for me. Okay. I'm going to start off with Daniel versus Terry Silver.

[00:23:43] So last time chosen threatened Silver to not open anymore Dojo's or he would hurt him. I'm so loving chosen this. It's so funny because he's on Daniel's side but he's still he's eager for a fight all the time and I could totally handle them.

[00:24:03] And that's kind of how he was back in Crotty Kid 2 just ready for a fight anytime. And he takes the thread away from, I was thinking about this. He takes the thread away from physical confrontation with Silver, right? Because he could totally kick his ass.

[00:24:23] He kicks ass in every episode and with multiple people. Well, we don't know. I suspect they'll fight and we'll see. Yeah, I'm hoping they haven't though. But at this point it's like that the physicality has been kind of taken away

[00:24:36] so you can concentrate on the mental and the psychological. I don't understand what you're saying. So chosen shows up, right? Yeah. And so instead of just Terry coming in and trying to kick everyone's ass physically and having a fight with Daniel, chosen is the buffer. Okay.

[00:24:55] So he's like the bodyguard. Yeah, he's like a bodyguard. He's saying, okay, there's not going to be any fighting between Silver and Daniel or anyone else who's in my scope of view because I will kill everybody because I'm a super badass.

[00:25:08] So that means Terry has to defeat him with other tactics. So Terry is now concentrating on his psychological game with Daniel. That's what's pissing me off. I just think he would do that anyway though because that's what I did before. He did. That's what he does.

[00:25:23] Well, let me get into my point. So first off you see what's his name? Anush and Louis and Daniel and chosen at the golf club and then Terry shows up and Daniel is just so bold. He's just like Terry goes, how'd you hit him?

[00:25:44] And he goes, they let anyone join these days or did you slither in through the garbage chute? And he goes, by the way, how's your sensei search going? Did I hear you hit a little bit of a snag? And Terry just challenging him, right?

[00:25:56] And Terry's like sabotaging my dojo. It was not a smart move. Some might see it as Cassus Belly, which is I looked it up an actor situation provoking or justifying war. And Daniel says Miyagi do will never back down. You should know that by now.

[00:26:09] And then he looked him straight in the eye and said, this is my backyard. You're the one who needs to go. Right. And I'm especially loving that because I remember when they had their first go around and Daniel was just this teenage kid

[00:26:24] and Silver majorly fucked with him and, you know, just turned his life upside down for revenge on for his friend who's a dickhead, Chris. And that's fucked up, man. You try to ruin a teenager's life. And now they're both men and Daniel,

[00:26:41] you know, you could see if you met your abuser that you might be a little triggered by it or something. Or yeah. But no, he's just like, hey, it's not like that anymore. We're on an even playing field here.

[00:26:54] I mean, he's rich, Terry Silver, so that changes things. But still, I just I felt proud of it. He was not too well off. I mean, yeah, he didn't do so bad for himself. He's doing all right. I just I felt proud of him and see,

[00:27:09] I disagree a little bit because I'm like, I think he was triggered. In fact, I think every time he meets Silver, he's triggered. I agree. And I was like, this is kind of pissing me off about Daniel. Me too. I disagree.

[00:27:23] I think in the in the golf club, he looked pretty self possessed. Daniel did. Yeah. He puts up the front that he's confident and that he's ready to do battle. But I think it's a I think it's a reflex of how damaged he is.

[00:27:42] Terry, Terry fucked him up. Yeah. Well, by the end, when Terry's using all his machinations against him, it does fuck him up, especially since he's messing with his marriage. But in the golf club, he's doing exactly what he should do because this guy is his enemy.

[00:28:01] And what else is he going to do? How could he have possibly? Comported himself better than he did there. He didn't fly off the handle. He was very calm and collected, but firm. So I mean, you could think what you want,

[00:28:15] but I was proud of him in that moment. Yeah. Stay that way. I mean, he did poke him. He didn't. He could have just, you know, walked away or whatever. He did poke him a little bit. Yeah.

[00:28:28] And I yeah, like what do we feel when Johnny pokes someone? It's like, yeah. And Daniel does like don't be an asshole. Not me. I was like, yes, get that fucker. He deserves way worse than that. Yes, and he was also cornered. Daniel, he was cornered.

[00:28:44] I mean, he was backed up against the bar physically and also, you know, I mean, what's he going to say? What's he going to do at that point? Could he even walk away? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

[00:28:54] But if you go back and watch that, he looks like I said, he looks very self-assessed. He doesn't look like he's triggered to me. But anyway, so then, you know, the whole thing happens where he, him and chosen are like, all right,

[00:29:07] we know he's going to do something. He's already planning his next move, so we need to do that ourselves. He said he was going to bring back his old friends. It's probably going to be Mike Barnes. That's the only one we know.

[00:29:19] So they go to try to head him off at the past and find out, you know, after all that misunderstanding that we'll talk about, I'm sure more that this lawyer drew up this contract. Mike says what kind of attorney draws up contract detailing

[00:29:35] the terms of one teenager terrorizing another? Really? A bloodsucking lawyer. And Daniel thinks that people knew about the contract. It would cause trouble for Terry Silver, so Mike gave him the attorney's name. And I'm like, how's that going to help?

[00:29:52] Like even if he has it, it's Terry Silver's attorney. You can't call someone and say, give me your client's contract, you know? It's client attorney privilege. Logistically, it doesn't make much sense. So then when Silver confronted Daniel in the sauna

[00:30:08] playing back this message, I was like, yeah, of course, the lawyer's loyal to Terry Silver, not Daniel. Then I think Terry burned down Mike's store because he told Daniel who the lawyer was. I mean, I'm sorry, I phrased that wrong.

[00:30:25] I think he burned down the store because he told Daniel who the lawyer was just for that reason, just because he helped him. I would even know that. It's messed up. He's got crows, man. Yeah. Crows all over the city. So then there's the whole charity auction thing,

[00:30:41] which I thought, you know, it's about helping underprivileged teens and Amanda's looking for a spot on the board of directors. And I thought that was a good charity helping underprivileged teens. It fits the theme of the show. And also it fits the plot with Terry offering

[00:30:56] free karate to troubled teens. It gives Amanda something to lose and be mad at Daniel for. So it was a good setting. And it turned out to be at Terry Silver's house, which he says is a coincidence, but Daniel knows he planned it. He tries to tell Amanda,

[00:31:13] he's planning something against me. And she's like, oh, he's not going to do anything at a charity event in front of a bunch of people. I mean, I'm on the fence here because Amanda was pretty unsupportive and quick to believe Terry over Daniel.

[00:31:29] But also we've seen like four seasons of Daniel just being so like. Obsessed. Obsessed with all this stuff. And you know, like here, I think the only thing he probably planned ahead of time was to maybe, I don't know if he knew the bonsai were going to be

[00:31:48] offered up for auction, but maybe to pay a lot of money for that, which is how he shows dominance just like he paid for their drinks and the golf club. But definitely to offer his services to, you know, free karate to underprivileged sheens

[00:32:03] because then anyone who would like stand up against that would look like the bad guy. Exactly. And also it gives him the opportunity to expand his brand, which is exactly what Daniel wants to happen. It was a great chess play.

[00:32:17] But the thing about talking to this woman about Amanda, so Daniel could over here and then lying to Daniel that he said, Amanda was a psycho phony. I think he came up with that on the spot, right? Yeah.

[00:32:31] And I love when he said he was going to use his bonsai for mulch. Yeah, they're hard to deal with. The first thing he said when he went up to the pony was I know exactly what to do with those. I was like, oh!

[00:32:43] And then he told Amanda that Daniel sent his men to rough up his potential hires, which was totally fucking not true. That's what ended up happening. But Chosun was there to get info and Terry told them to beat him up. So anyway, I think he loves to improvise.

[00:33:01] Like he didn't need to plan it all out because he was thrilled at just the idea of looking for weak spots and exploiting them in the moment, you know? Absolutely. I totally agree with that. And he's good at it. Yeah. He's a silver tongue double. Yeah. Yeah, silver.

[00:33:17] So then Daniel just swatted his hand away, but he pretended to be hit when he poked at him. And then Daniel was mad because he believed him when he said bad things about his wife. So I don't blame him for being mad about that. But he did.

[00:33:33] If he would have just been calm, then none of that would have happened. But I still don't think it's Daniel's fault. I mean, Terry was fucking with him the whole time. And Daniel started to feel... I'll say it again, you really should watch Karate Kid 3

[00:33:48] to appreciate this more because we really saw Terry get inside Daniel's head and mess with him until he was a nervous wreck and had him punching boards until his knuckles bled and just pretended to be his friend while teaching him aggression and all this stuff.

[00:34:00] Told him the crease died and then crease comes jumping out of the shadows at the end. Errr! So... And the last part is at home, Amanda thinks everything got fucked up just because Daniel was paranoid and flew off the handle.

[00:34:13] And I'm afraid we're never going to have normalcy again. And he's like, this is what Silver wanted. He manipulated this whole thing to get us to fight. She's like, do you hear yourself? The reason we're fighting is because you can't let go.

[00:34:23] And I'm like, there is some truth to that because Daniel's the one who sent Chozen in. And if he hadn't done that, none of this would have been happening. But he feels like that's a fight worth fighting and I think he's right. So I don't know. It's...

[00:34:40] I felt a bit... judgmental towards Amanda here. But then, like I was about the same minute ago, she's had to deal with a lot of this stuff. So I kind of don't blame her. But I do still feel a little bit judgmental because she's not listening to Daniel.

[00:34:53] She doesn't believe him that Terry's purposefully trying to make all this happen. Which he is, you know? Which he is, yeah. But... Oh man, I don't know. I think we're on opposite ends of this, man because at the same exact moment, at that scene,

[00:35:09] I was like kind of on Amanda's side at this point. I'm like, damn, Daniel, you're making it too easy. Yeah. You know, for Silver to get under your skin like this. Daniel was pissing me off. I have to admit that kind of at the end there.

[00:35:23] Yeah, this episode he did me too. Yeah, at this point in the show, I'm kind of with Amanda. I'm like, Daniel's making it easy for Silver to bring him down. The writers are doing a great job of playing on this hot-headed reputation that Daniel has, right?

[00:35:36] So I'm like... But it's giving me stress. I found... Oh, that's where the juxtaposition of Daniel digging himself a deeper and deeper hole with Terry Silver, you know, and Amanda and Sam, his daughter. I thought this was really interesting, right? She's going through this whole self-discovery thing

[00:35:54] and she's like, at the water park, she was just totally ignoring all the teen drama and walking away from it. I thought that was pretty cool juxtaposition. She's hanging out with a lot of people, but yeah, because wherever they go, there's fighting that breaks out,

[00:36:08] but I admire her that she kind of wants to get away from that. Yeah, at this point, right? And if all the kids did that, of course we wouldn't have any shows. Yeah, it was pretty sobering. But then I was starting to think,

[00:36:19] well, why doesn't Daniel just walk away from all this? What the hell is he doing? And it's like, all right, Jason, you mentioned he did say this is all happening in my backyard. He probably feels protective of... He's kind of damaged good.

[00:36:34] I mean, Terry Silver really kind of, I think messed him up when he was a teenager. He's trying to save the world from Terry Silver, right? Is that what he's trying to do? I mean, look, we all have things that happened in our past that will trigger us.

[00:36:47] I don't know if that means we're all damaged goods. That sounds a little harsh. I think, yeah, that he does have a tendency to get angry quickly. He can be a hothead. But he also has a good cause. If you think about the themes of the show,

[00:37:02] as I talked about last week, it's all about raising kids in an honorable way. And what Terry Silver wants to do is spread dishonor all across the country and maybe the world. So I don't think it's horrible for Daniel to want to fight that.

[00:37:21] I mean, there's a cost to it because his family's not comfortable with it. So yeah, so that's true. But like a lot of things in the show, it's not simple, you know. No, no, super great. And I want to make sure that I'm getting this right

[00:37:39] because I'm like, what is Daniel's ultimate goal here? Stop the spread of Cobra Cry, right? Because he's going to be bad for the youth in his area. Look at this kid Kenny. He thinks he's going to spread Kennys all over the world. That's a good observation.

[00:37:55] And maybe, so I mean, I guess, and also there's another point that's personal to me in that I don't really identify with Daniel because I'm not that kind of guy. I don't have that kind of passion and that kind of anger.

[00:38:09] So I'm having a hard time identifying with him. So if it were me in the same situation, I'd be like, hey man, this Terry Silver dude is kind of a dick. And I literally wouldn't want to have anything to do with him.

[00:38:21] I would just like walk away from it all. That's me. So obviously, you know, it's not a show. Yeah, but what if he was another teacher at your school and he was teaching, he was, you know, causing the kids to fight?

[00:38:35] Would you just be like, oh, I'm not going to do anything about that? No, of course not. You report it. Well, there you go. It's about as much as you could do. Yeah, you would do what you could, right? And this is a drama.

[00:38:48] So he's doing little more than, you know, more interesting things. But yeah, that's a good point. You do something. Yeah. You got to do a little bit of something, right? I just say, hey, I'm having a hard time identifying

[00:38:58] and I'm just like, dude, you're, what are you doing? You're throwing your family away over the sky. Yeah. I don't know. That's the other side of it that I can totally like, hey, look, you need to, you're going to lose your marriage here. Is that worth it? Yeah.

[00:39:11] I mean, and I understand too, it's written that way to make some great drama. And it is good drama and I can't wait to watch the next two episodes in about what, an hour and a half? Yeah.

[00:39:21] But I, I mean, you guys have been less on Johnny's side than me. So I think that makes for a good, well-rounded. Well, it's two against one, but still like when I hear you guys like the, against Johnny, it makes me feel like I got to be the

[00:39:35] one that's going to be the stand. I mean, Daniel, yeah, I got to be the one that's going to be the stand for Daniel. I'm not saying he's not flawed, but I think he has honorable motives. That's good. He might be right. I do identify with him too.

[00:39:47] I probably more, yeah, just feel much more identified with him. More than, more than almost any character in any movie. Like that's one of the reasons why karate kids is one of my favorite movies ever. Right. So I think suffice to say, I'm just a bit confused and

[00:40:01] looking forward to see what's going to happen next. All right. Rich, what's next? Oh, that was it. That's good. Silver scary is what I wrote. I was like, damn, this dude is scary. And it's, it's, uh, you know, he's really good at what he's doing. And he's Taren.

[00:40:20] I mean, I don't know if that was his main goal is to tear the Louisa family apart, but it's, I think it is. What he's doing. Yeah. I think he wants to destroy Daniel and now that Daniel's mess, you know, messing in his business.

[00:40:32] Um, but I also think that Thomas Ian Griffith is he's killing it incredible. Yeah. He's nailed it. So good. I did not expect him to be this good. No way. No, he's got that shit eating grin when he needs it.

[00:40:47] And then he's got this like super serious, scary face when he needs it. And it's like, it's making me nervous. Yeah. I'm puckering up. He's a great villain. Great villain. I'm digging it. He's very, he's very, uh, he's got a lot of range

[00:41:03] in his acting and nuance and charm and all kinds of stuff. I did not expect it from seeing him in Crotty Kid 3 to seeing him now. I'm like, dang, I don't know if what this dude did, like if he just, if he was intentionally doing

[00:41:18] that in three or if that's the direction he was given or something. It was a long time ago. Or, you know, improved his craft over the years. I don't know, but he's really, yeah, the range. He's killing it. He's, he's a perfect villain. He is cocaine. Yeah.

[00:41:33] And this is a hell of a drug. One thing about him in three though, because I mean, we've talked about this already, but at the time I was just like, oh my God, what a piece of shit movie. But then when we watched it recently and got,

[00:41:45] I tried to appreciate it more than he was like the star. He was the only one who seemed like he was having any fun in the movie. Yeah, that's true. Way over acted, but it was super fun to watch, you know? Yeah. I thought anyway.

[00:41:59] Oh no, it, yeah, it was. I kept thinking back to during the sub 2 what Daniel's cousin said right near the beginning of the first, the third episode, he said, hey, he sees Daniel, you know, cornered up with Terry Silver and then he comes over.

[00:42:13] Hey, who's the giant bond building looking guy? He looked a little like a bond building. Do you guys think that he will go full Terry Silver before this is over? Gosh, he would have to do something to make him lose control because right now he's

[00:42:30] in total control, right? I would not be surprised if they don't bring some cocaine into it. Yeah, it could be that. It could be just he loses his mind because maybe Daniel's going to win. Well, what but what in three?

[00:42:44] Mostly we saw him go crazy when he was being like ecstatic over things. You know what I mean? Yeah. So like he would have to not when he was upset, you know, I like it. Just always like that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Time changes people.

[00:43:08] Yeah, I don't know if his body could handle that much coke. It was just such a signature aspect to his character in the movie. So I kind of wonder if they won't bring it back somehow, but we'll see. OK, your turn, Reema. What you got?

[00:43:21] Well, I mean, since we're on the Daniel Terry Silver train, obviously that's one of my points too. I'll go through here and see. Try not to repeat, but I am definitely leaning more with Rich's point as far as being really aggravated with Daniel.

[00:43:39] I he's so easy to manipulate and Terry Silver knows what buttons to push and how to get him there. And he's being such a hot head and look, I know, I know Daniel's right. He is right overall about everything that he's saying, but he keeps falling

[00:43:57] into these traps and being made to look a fool. I mean, he keeps telling chosen. He's like three steps ahead and everything he does has a purpose, but yet he keeps falling in into these traps and he's. He's falling victim to his worst impulses again.

[00:44:16] You know, Mr. Miyagi always helped him find that balance, you know, and he doesn't have Mr. Miyagi anymore and those impulses that Daniel has make him easy to manipulate and Terry Silver knows exactly how to do that. And without Mr. Miyagi, you know,

[00:44:35] I feel like he's lost that balance and he needs like a new mentor or someone that's going to help him center himself. You know, like you were saying Rich, you know, Sam is finding a way to get herself centered after everything that she's been through and Daniel

[00:44:48] kind of lost that Daniel. Yeah, it would be nice because in three the way that he handled all of this because he really it really did just he was a nervous wreck. And that's when he started doing the kata to focus himself and he needs that right now.

[00:45:05] Well, and that's the thing is, you know, he's actually in the all the seasons of Cobra Kai. He is pretty self aware that he needs that balance every time he would go like, you know, some Mr. Miyagi shrine like either his grave or there in his own little

[00:45:23] backyard dojo there. You know, he realizes he's lost that balance in his life or he needs to get back into balance or whatever. But then he's immediately triggered as soon as Silver shows up. He's getting he's reliving all of that trauma again and I'm in agreement.

[00:45:40] I think Terry Silver's really messed him up and I think he still has a lot of unresolved trauma between what happened in three and season one of Cobra Kai. I don't think he ever really dealt with with what he went through and he's like on this cycle.

[00:45:54] He's reliving the past and Terry is like right on it. He has like pinpointed that trauma and I mean, I feel bad for Daniel because he is, you know, he's just resistant to accepting either changing himself or other people that he's known doesn't think that they're going to

[00:46:12] change. Like he was all over Mike Barnes like this dude's dangerous and you know, not thinking that he could have possibly changed. Like he's seeing him hearing him over the phone and seeing him him with these saws and he's thinking, my God, he's a psycho killer.

[00:46:25] And it's like, you know, you don't think he could have maybe changed over the years but he needs to find a better way to deal with Terry because it's now becoming a detriment to his own life and others and his daily life.

[00:46:37] What did he do with Terry that you're saying he keeps falling for everything? Like what? Well, like at the charity thing, you know, it's like he should know he is setting him up for everything and Daniel just keeps walking right into it.

[00:46:52] He does know that's what he kept saying. Yeah, but he keeps falling for it. How did he walk into it? He's like, he just needs to like walk away. He just needs to... So as soon as he got to there and saw that it was Terry Silver's place

[00:47:02] even though Amanda really wanted to be there and be on the board, he should have said, Amanda we gotta get out of here. Either that or he should have just not talked to Terry Silver at all. Yeah, that would be my suggestion like you said Rima right there.

[00:47:13] Just ignore everything. Just ignore everything. Okay, so he ignored everything and then when he heard him talking to this woman that Amanda wants to impress and thinking that he was saying bad things about Amanda, what should he have done there?

[00:47:30] Walked over to Amanda and said, hey, how you doing? He should not have confronted Terry Silver at all. So what if Terry was saying bad things about Amanda there? He should just let that happen. No, he should go over to the lady.

[00:47:43] You should go talk to that lady, not Terry Silver. Talking to her and say, hey, how's it going? You know, chat her up and just play Silver's game against him. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, he should have talked to her about it.

[00:47:54] So, but I just, I think, I really think you guys are being too hard because you're making it seem like Terry is not that talented and he is. No, I think that he is. It's not just that Daniel's easy to manipulate. It's that Terry's a master manipulator

[00:48:09] and you knew who else he manipulated masterfully, Amanda. Yeah, he did. But Daniel knows this. Though he knows he's a master manipulator and he knows I just. Well, yeah, that's the thing. He sees he sees Terry talking to this woman that Amanda specifically wants to impress.

[00:48:30] He knows Terry is a master manipulator. So he's like, what are you telling her? If he didn't know that, he wouldn't worry about it. Yeah. You know, I think we're injecting like what a what a stable normal person would do in Daniel's position. But he's he's a hothead.

[00:48:46] He's a hothead. He's a controller. He's triggered and he's traumatized. Look, he Terry poked him. He swatted Terry's hand away like this. Right. And Terry pretended that he hit him and fell over. Daniel wasn't. Didn't do anything there. You don't even do the SWAT. That's what I'm saying.

[00:49:05] You shouldn't even do that. You shouldn't. Uh-uh. I just. Yeah. You're just being too hard on them. If someone pokes me and I push them away, like, hey, get away from me. And you're like, oh, you shouldn't have even done that.

[00:49:18] It's like, no, you don't know the guy's going to fall over and pretend you hit him. I would not underestimate him. You say poke me again. I'm hiring a lawyer. I wouldn't underestimate him at all. I just I don't know if I'm that triggered by someone,

[00:49:31] then I just need to like avoid them and not be around them because either, you know, if I don't trust myself around them, then I sure as hell am not going to trust that person to not make me look crazy and bad.

[00:49:44] You know, that's what Terry is wanting to do. Yeah. But I know, but at the same time, if they're hurting people that you care about, then at least for me, my impulse is going to want to try to prevent that. Right. And he sees him,

[00:49:59] he sees Terry talking to this woman that Amanda's all nervous about, wants to impress, wants to get a spot on the board. He doesn't want Terry to mess that up for him. Like you guys are saying, he knows that Terry is going to try to mess things up.

[00:50:10] So he he's going to want to try to prevent that and not just stand back. Oh, I can't do anything because I'll be triggered. I know I want to try to help. I would have went and talked to that lady though

[00:50:19] that was running the charity, not Terry Silver. I would have been like, hey, you know, start just easy chat and then try to see what. No other character in this show would have done that. Johnny would have went over and punched Terry in the face

[00:50:32] if he saw him talking to somebody that might mess with Carla. And I think that's where we're at. We're at impasse here because it's like, yeah, these characters aren't real life. Well, yeah, I mean, obviously it's a drama. It's a soap opera and we wouldn't have a show

[00:50:46] without all of this going on. And I totally understand that. But if you're going to judge, you can't judge Daniel by different criteria than you judge the other characters. Yeah, Johnny would have punched him in the face. Okay. Yeah, I kind of alluded to that

[00:50:58] because I don't, I can't identify with Daniel. I just how could he do stuff like that? I mean, I can't help but just see it from the other side just a little bit. You know, I like Daniel and stuff. But it's his behavior did tick me off

[00:51:12] and I understand that he is traumatized by Terry Silver. And I get, look, he's right. What he is saying is true from our perspective. We're the audience. We know Terry Silver. We saw what Terry did to Daniel. Amanda did not.

[00:51:26] Amanda's perspective is just sounds like he's crazy and obsessed. It reminds me of, and this might be spoilery. So I apologize for anyone who hasn't seen the show, but it was like in Better Call Saul. When Chuck would talk about Jimmy's cons

[00:51:40] and everything that he would say was like 100% true from an outsider perspective, but in he actually sounded very spiteful and that's how Daniel sounds right now. So I mean, I get it. He's totally right. Yeah. And that's why I'm a little judgmental about Amanda because as a spouse,

[00:51:57] you're supposed to sort of slow down and listen to that. I know this guy, Daniel told me that when he was a teenager, he terrorized him. So maybe you should listen a little bit more about what he's saying because everything Daniel's saying is true.

[00:52:14] Yeah, but also from Amanda's perspective, all these years since season one, she has put up with this crap over and over again with Chris and with Johnny and now with Terry and Daniel just can't let it go. They have broken into the house. Trashed the house.

[00:52:30] They nearly killed Sam. I mean, I think five years is the limit. This episode, you guys were frustrated with Daniel. I was frustrated for Daniel. Like, man, he's just fucking trying to do right by his wife here and she's yelling at him

[00:52:45] and it's I just feel bad for the poor guy. So whose turn is it? I think it's, is it my turn? Yes. You just go ahead. Okay. I want to talk about Mike fucking Barnes. Yeah. And Mike fucking Barnes.

[00:53:02] He so Silver said he was going to call old friends. And of course, if you watch Karate Kid 3, then you think that probably means Mike Barnes. It turns out it didn't. So I don't know if he really did have someone else

[00:53:15] he was talking about or that was just bullshit. Yeah. But anyway, Daniel beat some to the punch and goes there. And so for people who didn't see or don't remember in Karate Kid 3, Terry Silver was introduced as Chris's old Vietnam buddy and he owed Chris his life.

[00:53:31] So he would say he would take revenge on Daniel for him for what happened in the first two movies. And so he hired Mike Barnes, the bad boy of karate to fight him at the All Valley tournament. And Daniel decided he didn't want to compete.

[00:53:45] I think he decided that he really did it first, but he didn't want to then because Miyagi didn't want him to so Mike harassed him into doing kept breaking into their bonsai shop and, you know, trying to fight him and stuff.

[00:53:56] And then when he was repelling down into the Devil's Cauldron to get the bonsai tree to get Miyagi's bonsai tree to sell it, which was a dumb idea without asking Miyagi. And Mike and his buddies Dennis and Snake almost killed him.

[00:54:15] And so when he when he says in this episode, that guy tried to kill me once, you don't forget or forgive something like that. And I think that scene is what he's talking about. He pulled the ropes up and wouldn't put him back down

[00:54:25] until Daniel agreed to sign the what the contract that he would do the tournament or whatever, the permission slip or whatever it was. So that's this guy. He's played by Sean Canaan who went on after Karate Kid III to play AJ Kordermane in General Hospital.

[00:54:43] And he's watching on there. That's all I see when I see him on AJ Kordermane. And I actually remember when AJ was just a little kid on that show. He's played by a different actor and the stories were about his father, Alan Kordermane. Yeah, Alan and Monica. Yep.

[00:54:58] So he goes in and when Mike's on the phone, yeah, it's good to be back in business just like old times, right? You think he's talking to Terry Silver, but I was thinking this is going to be a three company style misunderstanding. He's like, don't worry about me.

[00:55:18] I'm ready. I've been telling you to get rid of that Italian piece of shit for years. That was great. I flew him from Japan. Wow, that's dedication. By the time I finish with them, they're going to be unrecognizable.

[00:55:30] You know, I think I know exactly how I'll do it. I'm going to start off by cutting off their legs. So Daniel grabs the phone. Listen to me, you son of a bitch. I'm not going to give you or your ponytail

[00:55:42] to play one finger on any of our kids. And none of that faked you out because it totally faked me out. Daniel LaRusso? No, I mean for some reason, I just thought that he was going to be nice. I just had that thought. So from that place,

[00:56:02] I thought, oh, this seems like a misunderstanding. I thought he was going to be some sort of hitman or something. Damn. And I love, so back in Karate Kid 3, he negotiated with Terry Silver to get 50% of Cobra Kai if he would be his champion. Here he's negotiating 50% again,

[00:56:24] and then he loses 10% because of Daniel. Right. That was like 45. Dead pans look at him. It's like 40%. But then when he's like, Daniel's like, Mike, once again, I apologize. My life's been a little out of sorts lately. Mike's like, if there's one guy in this world

[00:56:42] that doesn't owe me an apologies, believe me, it's you. And he's been wanting to apologize. And I just love that scene so much. Just cordiality between the two of them. Yeah. And maturity. Like they both got screwed. Yeah. Well, yeah. And when Mike said, I don't know,

[00:57:03] there's just something about taking a piece of sycamore and just creating something that a family can sit around the holiday. It just feels right. And Daniel's like, wow, talk about a 180. That all made me really happy. And then he's like, what about you?

[00:57:14] I've seen your commercials, you know, topping down prices. Right. So it's just fun to watch them getting along. He's then entered chosen. Yeah. Before that, he said after the All Valley that his life was ruined and he was lost and he was banned from karate,

[00:57:31] which was all he knew. And I'm like, well, why did that happen? Because he did everything that he planned to do. He and Terry Silver, they plan to get Daniel to the tournament. And then the rule in the rules, apparently every time you hit someone,

[00:57:47] you get a point. But if you foul them, hit them where you're not supposed to, you get a point taken away. Yeah. So he kept just getting a point, taking a point away to make him suffer as long as he could. And then he lost,

[00:57:58] but just because he lost, I mean, why would he be banned it? If he lost and not if he won, it seems like if he was going to be banned, it would have been either way. So it kind of doesn't make sense that he was banned for that.

[00:58:08] If he was following the rules, maybe you don't remember that. Or maybe they just realized the rules allowed for something that they still didn't want to happen after the fact. I don't know. Maybe Silver paid off a board member or something. So anyway, yeah, he's like,

[00:58:24] if you ever want to rematch and then chosen comes in, yeah, and kicks him in one of his tables, shattering it and then fucking stomps his leg. Flying kick, yeah, then stomps his knee. It's like, ouch. Yeah. And then they fight and they seem chosen to Mike,

[00:58:39] seem pretty evenly matched. I don't think once Mike has wits about him, either one of them get a good hit on the other one. Okay, okay. So did that stir up any misgivings, any suspicions here? I mean, do you think Mike Barnes is still a good guy?

[00:58:57] He's not playing like a nice guy to get maybe closer to Daniel? I don't know, man. Silver's pretty evil. I don't think so, but I think there's a chance that could be wrong. Yeah, because he's gone right now, right? Yeah, he said he left town.

[00:59:21] Silver supposedly burned down his furniture store and he left town. So I was like, hmm. So you think it could be a trick? He looked pretty devastated. Existage right. I mean, I hope to God he's just a normal dude doing his thing.

[00:59:33] But the way he's playing it, he's being sincere, but it could just be an act. I think it's sincere. Is that fight that you were talking about? I was like, oh, wow, Barnes still got it. I mean, he's holding his own against Chosen, who is a proven assassin.

[00:59:47] Yeah, yeah. And then Daniel did a pretty good move. He grabbed both their arms and twist them around and backwards so they were kind of stuck. And he's like, stop fighting. It's a giant misunderstanding. And then Chosen goes, if this is misunderstanding,

[01:00:02] he's going to get a better call ambulance. You see the guys riding around outside of bloody domes. Like five guys outside. Mike and Daniel are both looking over at Chosen and he's got this guilty look on his face. He's like a robot.

[01:00:18] But then Mike doesn't really know what he can do to help until he figures out, well, you can try as lawyer, but I hope he has more of a part because yeah, he went out of town while the insurance company investigates. And so I don't know.

[01:00:30] Do you think that was just his one episode with him? I would think he would be more of a part of it. This show has fucked me up. I don't know, man. I was like, I can't tell what's going to happen. So it's pretty cool.

[01:00:44] Yeah, I guess we don't know. I just, I think it'd be a shame if that was it for his character, just that one episode. Yeah, I hope he comes back. He was cool. It was fun to watch his interaction with Daniel. I mean,

[01:00:59] I feel like in the show, there's a bit of a trend where characters, kind of come around and they poke the bear and then they regret it. And Johnny did it to Chris and then Chris woke up Silver and Silver did that to Mike Barnes.

[01:01:17] And so I feel like Mike Barnes is probably going to come back around to kind of, you know. I think of it in terms of who versus who. So what if Daniel, Johnny, chosen and Barnes team up against Silver? Well, who's Silver going to get?

[01:01:33] Just a bunch of thugs? Yeah, he's got resources. Seems like someone would have to switch sides on this show. Yeah, I mean maybe Mike Barnes. Because the interesting thing is Johnny and Chris, what they have in common is they held resentments towards Daniel and chosen and

[01:01:58] Mike Barnes didn't. They wanted to apologize to him. Well, I don't know what chosen did, but he didn't. He was at peace with everything that happened between them and realized that he was kind of in the wrong. But then Johnny kind of came around too.

[01:02:11] So really it's just Chris and Terry Silver that are still feeling resentments towards Daniel. But I could see Mike Barnes going the other way now, like his whole livelihood is destroyed and maybe he'll just be angry that Daniel even came into his life

[01:02:27] and caused this to happen when he was just trying to live his life. You know, you might see it that way. Right. I mean, he's... Yeah, Silver could totally recruit him now because he's down in the dumps, right? Something to that effect? Yeah.

[01:02:41] I don't know man. My head is spinning. All right, that was my turn. I think it's Richard. So, I discovered during all the teen drama that I really want Miguel and Robbie to be friends. I know. I'm like, what the hell? What's wrong with me?

[01:03:02] But you know, that's what I want now. Miguel doesn't seem interested in Robbie. I mean, you know, that when I went back to the first episode and then, you know, Robbie confirms that by saying some problems are too big to solve

[01:03:16] talking of, you know, looking over at Miguel. So, it's like, you know, Johnny also said that the ride home was pretty quiet. It's just not happening. And I'm like, why? Why am I so concerned about this? Not me normally, but I was like, it's for Johnny.

[01:03:32] I want Johnny to be happy. He's trying so hard to get these two together. He's trying to find balance with the two of them and finally do things right and he's thinking with his heart, you know, at this point. It's like trying to get these kids together.

[01:03:46] But it just doesn't seem to be happening at this point. I hope it does. And it's a little frustrating that it's not. But then, you know, that's teenagers for you. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think that might be kind of what where Johnny's story goes from here

[01:04:02] is just trying to figure out ways to get them to be friends? Yeah. And then, Rema, you brought up a great point. You know, I mean, what about Johnny's new son or daughter? Right. I mean, how is that going to play a part?

[01:04:16] I didn't actually think of that until you mentioned it. That was awesome. So it's like, where's that going to go? And then it's like, oh man. At this point, it's like, what would happen if Miguel and Robby became friends?

[01:04:29] It would probably put a big damper on the drama. Yeah, it would. Yeah. So I don't know if it's going to happen. Yeah. Those two have better heads, I think, so to have them, we'd have to have new drama

[01:04:45] stirred up somewhere else, I guess, to make up for those two to start to get along. At this point, Miguel and Sam are no longer a thing, but you know, they're getting along. Robby and Tori are... The last scene was him walking away from Tori,

[01:05:02] so maybe they're not a thing anymore? I think that was a breakup. It felt like it. Rightfully so, I think. It's headed, but it upset me every time I saw Robby and Miguel not getting along. I was like, come on, man.

[01:05:18] I'm actually surprised, Rima, that you just sighed with Robby there because you're usually a stand for Tori and to break up with her just because she won't leave her karate, Dojo. Not saying I don't agree with you. She's being brainwashed. Yeah, it's like she's in a cold, right?

[01:05:41] That's how I see it. I feel bad for both of them, honestly. I feel bad for Tori in that situation. Given her background and how she struggled for everything and she's finally in a place in her life where she's kind of gotten the spotlight a little bit,

[01:05:58] she's got some attention on her and she's worked really, really hard. She's finally getting some recognition for that, not in the greatest way because I know she's, she learned maybe she did not win that tournament fairly and then even at the water slide, cheated. She didn't necessarily cheat,

[01:06:19] but she found out that she won unfairly. Even in that, and she even had a look on her face was like when Hock held it up and he's like, there's a freaking hole in here. You guys cheated and her face kind of fell there for a minute

[01:06:32] and she realized again that she won something without fairly winning it. I think she's gonna snap by the end of the season. It's gonna kind of come back. She's gonna have a complex. She's like, is anything I do for real?

[01:06:45] Yeah, but you know, it's like Robbie's telling me that Terri Silver is just trying to get into my head and also all my teammates keep cheating. It's like maybe Robbie has a point. Well, that's what I'm saying.

[01:06:59] It's hard to be like Robbie went down a bad path too, but he saw the manipulation and things that was going on and that's why he got out of it and he realized what a mistake it was

[01:07:09] and he realized a mistake that it was to get Kenny involved too. And it's hard to be like a good person and try to still be involved with someone in Cobra Kai because there are a lot of them are just, you know, not good.

[01:07:23] That's the quote of the day. It's hard to be a good person in this show. And then when they're at the splash of Ram or whatever and it really does feel like, whoops, Daniel and everybody else, they just trained some gangs here

[01:07:44] and now they're sticking out the territories and their fights break out wherever they go. I was gonna say, I mean, Hawk was doing it too and he's over in Miyagi-Do and you know... He stopped when some kid goes, yo champ

[01:07:58] and he, I think it was a quick moment but then he sort of backed down and he's like, I want to make a good impression for this little kid. So he's like, okay, we'll stay on our separate sides. Yeah, I mean, I see that struggle with Tweri

[01:08:12] because I do think she was trying to do good where she was getting in between them and trying to stop the fight and tried to at least... She knew it wasn't just gonna resolve by itself so she's like, okay, let's have this race.

[01:08:24] You know, I thought it was kind of corny. This race down the water slide. It was like a dumb kind of thing. But I at least appreciated that she was trying to divert them from at least fighting physically. They keep doing, they keep having these like,

[01:08:37] yeah, like gang fights. They keep meeting up and doing that. It was that geeky kid's idea. Bert's idea, yeah. A race. Well, but it was... That is not far off the truth. Kids have crazy ideas on what competition they're in. You must see that all the time.

[01:08:53] Oh my God. That's crazy. But I mean, I at least appreciate you trying to diffuse it. I just find it stressful, especially Kenny. I mean, poor Anthony is ready for this to be over with Kenny. He tries to ask Samantha for help and she's just like,

[01:09:10] oh my God, I don't want to talk about karate. And then he sees Anthony and Anthony... I mean, Kenny and Kenny just gets this, I'm gonna bully that kid looking his eye and he goes, hey, blipuso.

[01:09:22] And then even when Robbie tried to get him to leave Cobra Kai, he's like, hey, step off or whatever. It's just like dude. But then when he said, I was pushed around before but now I'm strong and it's this classic example of the abuse turning into the abuser

[01:09:37] and he doesn't want to feel like he's gonna be picked on anymore. So he's really leaning into the whole Cobra Kai thing but he just seems so sadistic. It's scary. I went from feeling bad for Kenny when we first met him to now.

[01:09:50] I really want him to kind of get his ass whooped. I think he needs to come down a peg. That also reinforces what Daniel's all about, right? He's like trying to get rid of this Cobra Kai stuff because it's turning people into like Kenny. Yeah.

[01:10:03] I think Jason mentioned it earlier, right? Yeah, so that's where we stand but it's like, Daniel, you could do better. I just... Sorry. He couldn't mean to bring that up again. I just wanted to be... You're right. He's not perfect. I want him to stop falling into...

[01:10:19] I just want him to be a little bit more calm and step back for a moment and get out of his head and think a little bit more clearly before he just jumps into another confrontation with Terry Silver. I know that he's right about all of that.

[01:10:29] I just don't like how he's handling it at all. I don't know. Yeah, I know you said that a couple times and just when you say that, it brings up for me, God, I don't think he could have done a whole lot better.

[01:10:41] We're doing the same thing the characters are doing. We can't let go. Yeah, I don't know. If it was me and somebody was poking me and I just swatted their hand and then they fell down, I wouldn't feel like, oh, he shouldn't have swatted his hand.

[01:10:55] He could have just fell down without him even moving. That's true. Like I said, Johnny would have just punched him in the face. Yeah, we need an injection of Johnny here is what we need. But if the idea was to save the LaRusso's reputation,

[01:11:15] Johnny being there would not have helped with that. Johnny would have caused a mass rumble. All right, where are we? That was Richard, right? Was it your turnerima or was that Richard? I guess it's me. It's your turnerima.

[01:11:33] Well, mine's quick and it's just Sam and Miguel breaking up and I've picked on Sam a lot over the last several seasons. She was always driving me kind of crazy in how she would act, but man, I really liked her in the fourth episode. Yeah, me too.

[01:11:55] She's definitely going in this emotional growth journey and as I mentioned before, I think Daniel could take a note or two from her, but she went full L from Stranger Things into the sensory deprivation tag and found herself in the upside down.

[01:12:11] And I think it was a real mature moment for her to see that version of herself. And I think that she's doing the right thing by taking time for herself. She has been through a lot.

[01:12:20] She keeps kind of going in the same patterns in the same cycle over and over again. And so I liked that she took a step back and was like, you know, I think her Miguel probably needed a break

[01:12:34] and she needed time to think for herself and for herself. And when that moment there, when she told Miguel that she was not okay, that really got me like I felt that in my heart. And I was like, oh shit.

[01:12:50] So I teared up a little bit there for Sam and she really got to me there where I've never, you know, really had a moment like that with Sam and all of these seasons. So I was and I mean, so kudos to the actress.

[01:13:03] She said, yeah, I'm not okay. Yeah. I need to take some time for myself. Yeah, I felt for her too. Yeah. Yeah. That was a good scene. It was really good. So that really got me and it was really sad to see them break up

[01:13:16] and then poor Miguel, you know, with that. That's crying. Yeah. Well, I think. I felt for him too. Well, yes, I am sure he was upset, but I also thought, oh, now I can't get his money back on that necklace

[01:13:28] and maybe that's why he was crying so hard. Right. Dude, I was like, what are you doing? Don't drop the necklace on the ground. Take it back to the store. Well. Put your money back or save it for a rainy day. Yeah.

[01:13:40] She just said it was a break, dude. Yeah, but, you know, I just, I don't know that some, I mean, maybe a smaller like mom and pop store might take it back or something or he might be able to get his money back.

[01:13:51] But usually when they're discounted like that, they're not going to take it back. No. So he may not have gotten it. He could, but he could have given it to us. Good point. I'll give you five bucks for it and you're lucky you're getting that.

[01:14:02] Yeah, you're probably right. But I mean, he could have given it to his mom. He could have given it to his grandmother, but. Teens are dramatic. Yeah, he was being dramatic. And then knowing that same is probably not even going to find

[01:14:13] that or at least maybe not anytime soon. But, and then, I mean, and then if she did, she's going to be like, oh, we should get back together because you bought me this cute necklace. But I felt really bad for them both.

[01:14:24] And I did like seeing that they were getting along in the next is awkward is what it was. You know, there's always that awkward meetup when you break up and then you're like, oh, it's okay. We could still be friends, but it was so weird. That's true. Yeah.

[01:14:38] So, but I like that. I think Sam has grown and I liked her in this, in this episode. Yeah, that was interesting when she was in the, well, we don't call it a deprivation tank anymore, right? But self-actualization pod. Yeah, self-actualization. She was like fighting herself.

[01:14:57] You know, like evil Sam kicks, you know, was kicking the good Sam's butt. So that was kind of interesting. It's like, hmm, maybe she's coming to, you know, grips with what's going on here a lot quicker than Daniel did. Oh, sorry, I did it again. Talking about it.

[01:15:15] When she, what's her name? Moon was like, you will only find yourself in there. I thought of the cave on Dagobah in Empire Strikes Back. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yoda sent Luke in and I thought, I wonder if this is a deliberate reference to that.

[01:15:31] And then when she heard Tori's voice, just like Luke heard Darth Vader's, and then it turned out to be her fighting herself. And then when Luke sliced Darth Vader's mask off and saw his own face, spoilers. I wonder if that was intentional. I don't know. Maybe. Yeah.

[01:15:50] Yeah, and then she totally avoided all the team drama. So it's like, hmm. Yeah, that's true. She just kind of rolled her eyes. Oh, more fights. God. But she didn't get up. She was just going to walk away from it all. Well, now Amanda's taking the kids.

[01:16:04] So, man. I mean everybody's... Daniel's mom's house? Well, maybe not everybody, but it seems like Miguel even was kind of walking away from the karate drama. Johnny has removed himself. He's like, oh yeah, lost a bet. Long story. Yeah, I love that explanation. He's got this other stuff.

[01:16:22] So he's not even him and Daniel hasn't even interacted or he hasn't been a part of this whole karate drama. That's right. He's removed himself. Miguel's trying to remove himself a little bit. Sam is backed off and removing himself.

[01:16:32] The only ones in it still are Chosen and Daniel and Terry Silver and then you've got the kids that are still in the middle of it. So there's quite a separation going on right now. Damn, what the hell's going to happen next? Oh no.

[01:16:49] I like the idea of Samantha wanting to step back and figure out who she is. Yeah. I think teenagers do that a lot. I remember doing a lot of that as a kid, journaling and trying to figure out my identity.

[01:17:04] And I also kind of wondered if maybe the writers were like, what are we going to do with Samantha? Well, I don't know. Miguel's girlfriend, but she's also Tori's enemy. And so I think they kind of wrote that into the story there

[01:17:17] trying to figure her out and they realized teens do that. That's speculation, but I kind of wonder if that's what they were doing. Yeah, it makes sense. And then in the tank, Daniel, you know, she's confronted by all these different people in her life

[01:17:31] and what role they see her in. So Daniel sees her as LaRusso 2.0, Yasmin and Moon as one of the girls, Robbie as the girl who broke my heart. Eli standing there with his trophy as the girl who lost. What a jerk. Miguel as his girlfriend.

[01:17:47] But I, you know, and then I think it's a metaphor. Sometimes we fight with ourselves maybe, but I don't know. I didn't really know what to take from that that Tori turned into Samantha. That maybe right now she's her biggest enemy.

[01:18:00] You know, I really don't know what metaphor to take from that. Maybe she felt like she was becoming her a little bit because last season, you know, she got pretty vengeful. She got pretty set on revenge. Maybe she saw her kind of sliding into being more like Tori

[01:18:16] than being like Sam, maybe. Yeah, she was. She was afraid becoming a Tori. Yeah, she was becoming a hothead. She was all about wanting to fight her and get back at her. There's also the whole your own harshest critic, right? I mean, that's my life story. Totally.

[01:18:34] Oh yeah. I am literally my own harshest critic. So whatever I say to myself is way worse than what somebody else would say to myself. So what people say to me doesn't really affect me. Nobody abuses me as bad as I do myself. Right, exactly. Same.

[01:18:50] Absolutely the same. She's in there fighting herself with Katanas and stuff. And I'm like, nice spa day. So relaxed. But it was interesting that I would love to try something like that. I think it's like a really great like meditation. I did it. Kind of device.

[01:19:09] Yeah, Jason's done it right? Yeah, and I was so excited and I got in there and it's warm, like warm salty bath. So you'll float and they close this tank over you and it's you can't see anything and you're just supposed to lay back and meditate.

[01:19:22] But the problem was that I had, you know, they give you earplugs to it because they want to cut out auditory stimulation to sensory deprivation. And it was on the earplug was a little uncomfortable and I started messing with it to pull it out a little bit.

[01:19:36] But my ear was underwater. And when I pulled it, it created a vacuum and water shot into my ear and searing pain into my head. So it wasn't sensory deprivation. It was just the only sense I had was pain. Pain. It was pain enhancement.

[01:19:53] Yeah, it really was deprivation. I don't think I quite got the effect of the intended effect. Oh well. Try that again sometime and not do that again. Yeah, I wouldn't mind trying it. There's been times where I've been super calm

[01:20:07] and laying there and I could hear my own heartbeat and the blood rushing through my veins and it drifted me out a little bit, you know? I'm like, mm-hmm. Okay, I'm going to do my callbacks and references and then that'll be my last point

[01:20:20] and we can notes sound good? Yeah. Okay. So when Daniel and chosen just kicked Anusha and Louis' butts at golf and Anusha says, he said he never played before and chosen to begin her luck, which reminded me of when Daniel caught a fly

[01:20:39] with his chopsticks on the first try and Miyagi said, you begin her luck. Nice. When Terry said in the golf club, I actually like this attitude on you. It's a shame I won't get to see it again because if you continue down this path,

[01:20:55] nothing in your life will ever be the same again. I'm going to start playing with fire, Danny Boy. And saying Danny Boy, it gave me like a, like, oh my God. Yeah. Because he said they called him that a lot in Karate Kid 3, Terry and Mike.

[01:21:11] And when Mike, when Daniel was repelling down into Devil's Cauldron to get Miyagi's tree and Mike and Snake and Dennis pulled up the rope. They were like, heads up, Danny Boy. Mm-hmm. Let the ropes down. First sign the application. That made me laugh too, because then

[01:21:28] Chosen steps in and is like, and I am gasoline. Boom, boom. So where Shakespeare's head is like, what? Yeah. They put their drinks on my tap. But the first time in Karate Kid 3 when Terry Silver called Daniel, Danny Boy, was when Daniel came

[01:21:48] to the dojo, the Cobra Kai dojo to tell Terry that he didn't want to train with him anymore. And he said, I just wanted to come here and tell you in person, because I figured after everything I owed you, at least that.

[01:21:59] And he goes, you owe me a lot more than that, Danny Boy. And so that was like when he first revealed himself, you know, and was openly hostile towards Daniel. Yeah. And he's called him that a couple times now in these last couple episodes.

[01:22:17] So when Mike Barnes, next item, is talking in the furniture shop storage area, he says, you know what? Enough chit chat. Let's get on brass tacks. Now for me to do my very best, I'm going to need 50%. You owe me that much after what happened last time.

[01:22:31] So as I mentioned earlier in Karate Kid 3, Terry Silver, he was, well, he was in his hot tub when he meets Mike for the first time. And instead of reading it, I have a clip of their interaction. Mr. Silver? Well, you must be Mike Barnes. Welcome to LA.

[01:22:49] Hey, listen, thank you for bringing me down, Mr. Silver. Milosh, call the boys. This place is intense. Consider it home. Thanks. Snake, Dennis, Mike Barnes. Dennis will take care of your training. Snake takes care of everything else. You're looking to be a bad boy in LA.

[01:23:07] Snake's the boy to be bad with, right, Snake? You know it. You get a weekly draw on a car. Any questions? You remember on the phone you said that if I come down here and I beat this LaRusso kid in the All Valley tournament,

[01:23:19] that you give me 25% ownership in your new dojos. Uh-huh. Which I think is more than generous. But, uh, I've been giving this some thought. For me to do my absolute best, which is what I want to do for you, I'm afraid I'm going to need 50%. Oh. Hmm. 50%.

[01:23:38] Well, I don't know if I can afford more than 35. I understand. If I guess somebody could go in. It's nice meeting everybody. Hey. Do you fight as hard as you negotiate? Harder. You got your 50%. And I get that in writing. By noon today. Mr. Silver,

[01:24:01] you just bought yourself a champion. You remember that. Snake, show him to his room. Yes, sir. Mike? See you later, Mike. Me, look, my blue pinstripe. So what do you think? Oh, he's obnoxious. Yeah, he's perfect. Oh. They had like a 1930s vibe to it, right? Yeah.

[01:24:32] Hey, hey there. I need you to take out of this Italian piece of shit. Yeah. Music too, yeah. I thought with his like English butlers and everything. Let's see. When Daniel was, you know, got to the charity event, looks over and sees the quick silver license plate

[01:24:54] and then Terry walks up and Daniel's face kind of drops. I don't know if it was intentional, but it reminded me of when he went to pick up Ali in Karate Kid from the Casino Oaks Country Club and saw her dance with Johnny in there.

[01:25:06] They caught each other's eye, you know. Yeah, yeah. Here he's presenting the bonsai tree as an item up for auction. And in Karate Kid, of course, we saw him bond with Miyagi over trimming those trees. Miyagi taught him how to do it and said,

[01:25:23] you get to pick a show in your head and all that. Well, here he's saying in this episode, authentic bonsai trees, they're extremely rare. They must be grown with love and care in order to develop strong roots because having a strong foundation,

[01:25:40] they will then choose their own way to grow just like us. That's what my mentor taught me many years ago. He not only brought these trees into my life, but what they represent, harmony, balance and honor. And that's all from Karate Kid 3.

[01:25:52] That movie was all about the bonsai trees and the themes of finding inner strength and drawing from your roots and healing and rebounding from bad times, which he started to do by the end of that. I do agree with you that it was a trauma for him

[01:26:05] and that he's seeing Terry again doing the same kinds of things, re-traumatizes him so he's not his best self around that for sure. It's like he's got PTSD. But all of that stuff about the bonsai tree is also just a metaphor for what these movies and shows

[01:26:21] about helping your kids to grow into healthy adults and stuff. Right. Johnny brings his food to the pawn shop guy and his phone starts beeping or dinging and he starts banging on the counter and the guy grabs it and shuts it off

[01:26:35] and Johnny goes, how did you do that? Which reminded me of when the guys were harassing Mr. Miyagi on the beach and they put beer bottles on his car and he chopped the top off and Daniel said, how'd you do that?

[01:26:47] So with Johnny, the phone is equally as mysterious. I don't know. First time. Never done it before. And then Daniel said to everyone at the charity, he's making me look like the bad guy when he's the one attacking my family

[01:27:04] and then later Amanda sees him as the bad guy and doesn't believe that Terry was trying to make any of that happen. I don't know, but I think that's a deliberate reference to how people try to make a case

[01:27:17] that Daniel's the bad guy in Karate Kid and stuff. And of course, I present that in a one-sided way because I don't believe it, but it's a debate that the writers know that people have about Daniel in the show and everything, the movies. Yeah.

[01:27:32] They're good at playing on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're good at playing on everything about all that stuff. So that's all the callbacks and everything. I had a few notes, but let's have Rich go first. Jevney? Let's see, chosen. I thought it was pretty funny that chosen

[01:27:48] bought the couch from Mike Barnes. I know. Good couch. He's like, well, normally it's $1,200, but for you, 2,000. Because you hurt me. That was hilarious. Oh, did you guys get the vibe at the beginning of Downward Spiral where it was like a top gun vibe

[01:28:11] because Kamala was having a dream. Absolutely. I wasn't off on that. No. No. It was a flight jacket, Tom Cruise shades, volleyball, everything. The motorcycle. The motorcycle. The one thing that Johnny took from it when she told him was that they were in a house with a yard

[01:28:32] because he's like, I need to make more money so I can help support this kid and give her what she wants. Yeah. That was cool. That whole dream sequence. Upon second watching, I was like, I was like, oh, wow, Johnny's really gotten into her head

[01:28:49] with all this 80s stuff. I know. You could just imagine them watching Top Gun on the couch together or something. Yeah. You wonder how much of that is because she's been with him and how much she already brought to the relationship and that's what made them connect more.

[01:29:04] But I feel like it's more about, yeah, that she's just been around him for a while. Yeah. I don't know. Johnny's an Iron Eagle guy. So that's how I definitely knew that it had to be Carmen's dream because... They were arguing about it. Yeah.

[01:29:18] She was dreaming about Top Gun and he's an Iron Eagle guy. Because didn't he say like Tom Cruise something or other? He was like, dogging on Tom Cruise in an earlier episode. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's right. And also that whole dream sequence was just like part two

[01:29:33] because we saw one like that before from his point of view with her before they actually went up. Yeah, yeah. But that's cool because she's like... She's like super happy and content, you know, that they're gonna... That he's into having a kid and stuff. So...

[01:29:47] I feel good for Carmen. I like Carmen. I like Carmen. Me too. Yeah. Nothing not to like about Carmen. She's just a good person. Tori, the last note I had was Tori. Tori with the high school mentality as they're getting kicked out or as they got kicked out

[01:30:03] of the water park, right? They're walking through the parking lot and she's like, I can't believe they kicked us out. Right? Just because we were gonna about to fight, jeez. Yeah. Well, and what they did... Now look, I don't...

[01:30:18] You know, I'm not a big fan of Anthony by any means but what they did to him when they stuffed all the inner tubes on him and then knocked him in the water, I thought he hit his frickin' head and then they're sitting there,

[01:30:29] they're like still kind of fighting each other. You see Anthony floating away with his feet still in the inner tube and like face down the water. Like, did anybody get a kid that kid? Oh my God, is he gonna drown? I thought he was gonna drown.

[01:30:41] I thought he hit his head. That's funny. But I'm like, where's the adults? I am a big fan of Anthony. He's so much better than he was when he was the first couple seasons. Oh, he's way better but you know, yeah, still not a...

[01:30:56] I do wonder why would you wear a pastel blue and pink shirt with a white collar and big poofy hair. Yeah, he's improved. He's still... Well, he's just a normal kid now. It's funny, you know, he's like staring at Sam's friends.

[01:31:15] She's like, ew, stop staring at my friends. I'm like, oh, that's what's... Young boys of this age. I'm really interested to see what they do with him because I'm glad he's more a part of it now and that he's maturing and becoming... I think he's gonna be interesting.

[01:31:31] Yeah, and he was negotiating with Kenny. He's like, come on, man, I thought he was even. You know, I was like, he's like being a total dick. Yeah, I actually think Anthony this episode was not annoying at all for me except for that shirt. That's cool.

[01:31:46] That's the last note I had. Reema? We have already covered all of my notes either during the conversation or just now. So I don't really have anything to add. Okay, I had a few. I forgot I had some more funny lines too

[01:32:01] when Daniel was talking to Chozen about Mike Barnes. That guy tried to kill me once. You don't forget or forgive something like that and then Chozen staring at him and he goes, except you, you and I were fine. That was so funny.

[01:32:20] They see that Barnes has a saw. They're spying on him and he goes, that one good for cutting bones. Yeah. Chozen's a bit of a little psychopath there. Right, that was a perspective thing right there. He really is. And Daniel's like, looks like he's got some goons

[01:32:36] working for him. Easy for me to handle. They were too. Good for cutting bones. I love, I actually so much. Chozen's funny. I love that he bought that couch after that exchange. He raised the price on it, but he bought it anyway because he's so comfortable in it.

[01:32:54] And he's like, be careful. Don't get blood on it. Very expensive. Or that he's all like, nobody's home. He's watching 90 day fiance crying. Oh my gosh, that was the best. The guy on TV, I feel like it's a good time to propose.

[01:33:13] You want to get married and Chozen goes, never give up. It's too good. Haven't chosen watching 90 day fiance. That's so funny. A worse than Anthony's shirt was Kyler's hair. Oh my. Oh yeah, that was terrible. That was a wrap up side of a poofy on top.

[01:33:35] God, somebody needs to bully that kid. He hasn't changed a bit. No. He's been the same character through the whole. Yeah, he really has. I kind of wonder if, because you know, like if you go back a couple seasons, Hawk was a shithead. Yeah.

[01:33:52] And so I feel like they could bring Kenny around, but Kyler has been a consistent shithead. He has consistently been a douche the entire time. Even Yasmin, she's gotten nicer. Or Yasmin. Yeah, you kind of mentioned this, but when Johnny's ex said, can you afford a kid

[01:34:09] on your part-time sensei salary? And he goes, I'm not a sensei. Lost a bet, long story. I just like, just quick to the point, on to the next thing. She's used to it. So she's like, okay. Yeah, all right, whatever. That's why you're looking for a job? Yeah.

[01:34:26] I don't know if you two knew this. I think you might have, but I thought it was interesting that Peyton List who plays Tory, dates Jacob Perthrand, who plays Eli. Oh really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's fun. Rivalries on the show, but yeah, oh well that's cool.

[01:34:43] No, I didn't know that. I was not going to make Moonfield though. It's not. It's not on the show. It's real life. And then this is just something that I just thought of, but I think one of the reasons why I get worked up

[01:34:57] about Daniel is because I do totally relate, you know, as I mentioned, like I never really had a father figure. I mean my grandpa kind of was, I had a stepdad who was not cool. You know, Jerry, remember Jerry Richard? Yeah.

[01:35:14] And you know, thankfully my mom and Jerry split when I was like 16. So, you know, I kind of look at Terry Silver and think he's got like these Jerry vibes, like not good, not good. Really? I mean, he wasn't like manipulative,

[01:35:28] but he didn't have my best interest at heart at all. And so then when I see Daniel sort of come into his own in a way, even though he's not perfect, and be able to face off against Terry,

[01:35:39] it kind of reminds me of when I did talk to Jerry years later after I got the job at Apple, and I was doing good for myself. And I could just talk to him from a place of power, you know?

[01:35:52] And I wasn't like trying to put him down or anything, but I just felt like, wow, it's such a different dynamic between me and you now. I know. You know? So that, I think that's why when I see Daniel like that, at least at the beginning there.

[01:36:05] Now, maybe if I spent a lot of time around Jerry, I'd be more like Daniel at the end of the second episode. Jerry's your Silver. Yeah, I don't even know if he's still around actually. I think he is, but I don't know. Anyway, I think that's good.

[01:36:21] Let's take a break. There's more to come. Stay with us. Okay, we're back. It's time for some news, I think. Is it? Yes. There is just at least a small. Oh yeah, I knew there was at least one thing.

[01:37:06] I think you do know because I sent it to you. See, you already have a little bit of insight. Because I typically don't. I mean with the show being completely available, I'm afraid to Google and get spoiled. So I typically don't have a whole lot of news,

[01:37:17] but there was a little revelation yesterday. So Entertainment Weekly announced that, or not really their announcement, but they reported, I should say that Sony, their Columbia Pictures division revealed on Friday, which was yesterday, that they have scheduled a new karate kid movie that will hit. What? Yeah. What?

[01:37:43] It is scheduled to hit theaters June 7th, 2024. Wow. Yeah. So little is known about the production, which is simply described as the return of the original karate kid franchise. Oh my gosh. Yeah. What does that mean? So like the original actors. Well, it says, Yeah.

[01:38:06] No word on the onscreen talent, film making team or plot details. Yeah. I mean, because the only other karate kid movie was the one with Jaden Smith. And it should have been called the Kung Fu kid because he was doing Kung Fu in China. But anyways,

[01:38:24] if they're bothering to say the return of the original franchise, it sure, what could that mean other than some of the same characters? And how could they ignore this five season show? Well, they could just do a reboot and have,

[01:38:39] you know, all like they did with the Jaden Smith one. So like go back to 1990 or wherever it left off. No, I'm just saying have a new kid that's getting bullied and there's some karate master that teaches him or whatever. Well, I have an update to that. Ooh.

[01:38:57] And so deadline then reported John Hurwitz, one of the co-creators of Cobra Kai. He actually addressed it. I guess he was tweeting today. You know how they'll sometimes do those little Q&As on Twitter, they'll tweet it. Someone, they start answering their questions and stuff. Someone asked him,

[01:39:18] Hey, have you heard about this new Cobra Kai? Or sorry, this new karate kid film. And so he addressed it and he says, this was in his tweet, the quote, the guys and I would love to make karate kid and Cobra Kai movies and hope to someday.

[01:39:34] But this one isn't from us or focused on the Cobra Kai cast. Don't know much about it, but wish it well. Wow. I've never been so disappointed after a buildup of news to hear the end of it. I'm sorry. I have to report all the news.

[01:39:50] What's she gonna say? Sorry. Yeah, it's not your fault. You're just a mess. Well, I feel like it's fair. I have to at least say that if I'm here because I'm like, I don't want to get anyone's hopes up and thinking, I don't know.

[01:40:03] I'm just thinking if you have to have a movie that's built up over five or six season of a TV show, is that what kind of movie that you want to have? Wouldn't you want to make it more to the general audience? Not just...

[01:40:15] There's been so many remakes and they're mostly not as good. And if they really wanted to make a lot of people super happy, they'd say, guess what? We're doing a movie with Johnny and Daniel. We'd be like, yeah. I see it both ways. Honestly do. It'd be great.

[01:40:36] I would love it. I'm just thinking... It's gonna make money probably no matter what because it's part of the franchise. I don't know. So it was a bummer reading that. I saw that today and I went straight... I saw it first in the article

[01:40:48] and I went straight to Twitter. I got to read more about it. He didn't really say anything else, but I was just like, oh man. So I don't know. I don't know what to expect. I mean, so since it's not the writers or this cast,

[01:41:00] then I'm like, all right, hopefully it's good. If it was the writers in this cast, I'd be like, wow, how are they going to make this into a movie? But I'm damn sure gonna watch it. Totally. Yeah.

[01:41:13] You know, the first thing that comes to mind is Star Trek. That's what they do with Star Trek. It's season ends and they go on with a bunch of movies. Usually with a different crew, usually the same producers, but different showrunners and stuff.

[01:41:26] And it's like, they could do that with this, I guess. But that would mean this is the last season. Yeah. I mean, they're not doing it. Yeah, sorry. That's not what they're doing. First the bubble. No, no, it's okay. Yeah, you gotta report that news.

[01:41:42] That's all I've got. I don't have anything else I'm too scared to look too far out there. All right, let's move on to listener feedback. Rich. Kelly Burgess. So I wasn't as into the first couple of episodes. They felt a bit like they'd lost their touch.

[01:42:01] But then I really enjoyed these next two. I'm loving the dynamic with Chosen and watching Johnny prepare to have a baby was hilarious. Loving listening to you guys as always. Can't wait to hear what you think about these episodes. Awesome, Kelly. Yeah.

[01:42:18] Jim Mahal says Daniel's confrontation with Mike Barnes is the most hilarious reunion. Mike is having a business call that sounds to Daniel like a promise of torture. Mike's reaction or Daniel LaRusso. And then Chosen beating up all his guys. It was just priceless.

[01:42:33] I like that they've made Mike a good guy now and he has a genuine business and livelihood that Silver destroys. I really felt sorry for Mike in that moment. Chosen is comedy gold. The Water Park episode was good. I felt sorry for Anthony getting pushed in the pool

[01:42:47] and the rivalry is still as strong as ever between the Dojos. I hate that Silver succeeds in getting in between Daniel and Amanda. That's a sore point. Bastard. All right, we got two calls. Here's Mike Caruso. Hey, Jason, me, and Richard. It's Mike from Cincinnati again.

[01:43:11] And just watch the third and fourth episode of season five of Cobra Kai. And, um, shit! There's Amanda pissed. I would be a little frightened if I was Daniel. I was a little frightened just watching it.

[01:43:24] She seems like a woman you do not want to fuck with right now. I wish him luck with that. But I really want to talk about the Mike Barnes stuff. It's funny. On the last episode, I said I can't wait to see

[01:43:36] the other pairings that we get to see. And, of course, we get to see, like, the main, like, fighting opponent that Daniel has from the third film fight with Briefly, although, and not really seriously at all, with the main fighting villain from the second movie.

[01:43:50] So there we go, more of these pairings of other people. I knew Mike Barnes was coming from some of the pre-release photos that came out. But I was excited to see him. And I like how they kind of flipped it on its head a little bit.

[01:44:04] I don't know what we expected it was going to be. But this is what I want to talk about. Are we going to get other people that we recognize? I mean, like, are we going to get Hilary Swank?

[01:44:16] I watched that movie this summer and it was so, so bad. But I would, I don't know. I feel like they're not going to redeem the movie. Like, don't get me wrong. That's not what I'm trying to say.

[01:44:27] But I would probably be a little excited to see her. Or, oh, there really is no other character from that movie. I feel like that they could pull out that I would be excited to see. But I would be excited to see her, I guess,

[01:44:38] because she was touched by Miyagi and so, and that's not nothing, I guess. So, but who else? I mean, are they going to pull out like Mike Barnes's like crony that was laughing behind him in every scene? Like, who else could they pull out?

[01:44:55] I'd be curious to see who else we might see. What do you guys think? I look forward to hearing what you guys have to say and I'll see you next time. That's a good point, Mike. I mean, who else is there left? I can't think of anyone.

[01:45:09] There's Snake in Dennis. The cronies, yeah. There's Robin Lively, I mean, yeah, Robin Lively, who was his friend, friend girl in Karate Kid 3 that made pottery and stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right. We have a friend. Yeah, we're going to do that again.

[01:45:28] We're going to have a romantic. Right? Yeah, Hillary Swank. But I, yeah, I don't know. I don't personally feel like that would be worthwhile to dig into that movie because it was so different. It was written by a different person.

[01:45:45] It was so bad, even worse than Karate Kid 3. On Rotten Tomatoes, Karate Kid 3 has a 15. Next Karate Kid has a 7. Oh boy. It was really dumb. 15 and a 7 now. I think it was in it so he didn't know anybody in it except for Miyagi.

[01:46:00] Miyagi was the through line there. I don't know. Maybe they'll try to go there, but maybe, I guess if Hillary Swank came back for season six and they gave her something interesting, it could be cool, but I don't have any affection for that movie

[01:46:12] like I do the other three really. Right. I've watched it since then, so if she did come back then we would have to watch and cover it on this podcast of course. Yeah. We was like, er. Do we got it? We just do recap it real quick.

[01:46:28] That's funny. Yeah, recap guy, help us out. I'm kind of curious, but maybe I'd put it on 1.5 speed. I know. Does anybody know? I mean, I don't want to ruffle any feathers here, but is there going to be an episode, I mean season six?

[01:46:47] The show runners have said they have more seasons in mind, but they haven't gotten a yes yet. Yeah. Because at this point it's kind of like, they're running out of people to bring in, right?

[01:46:58] I really kind of feel like it would be good to wrap it up with season six. Kind of. It's like one of those end on a high note kind of thing. Have it be all good and not start to go downhill.

[01:47:11] All right, we got one more call from Steve Brown. Oh, Cobra Kai Kat. Cobra Kai Kat. That's a lot to say. This is Steve and this is for episodes three and four. Chosen is so good. I didn't think he had this kind of comedic chops.

[01:47:30] It's a little over the top, but I'm like, Totally. And I am gasoline. Boom. Almost all these episodes have had Martin Cove's name in the credits, but we haven't seen it yet, right? Oh Lord. Did Danny's son just answer a question that we've had since last season

[01:47:46] about the milk in the locker or what was in the locker? He did. He said the bag. We put it in a bag. You just said it's not a hundred percent. And I remember a movie from the nineties with Hugh Grant was at nine months

[01:47:57] where he said the thing should say is it shouldn't say that it's bloody 90% perspective to say, say it's 10% and unprotect that. I can't talk today. 10% not effective. That's what the package should say. Daniel, it's been five seasons and you haven't avoided a fight yet.

[01:48:12] What makes you think you're going to avoid this fight? Mike Barnes owns a furniture store. No, Chosen this is not a good. Yeah. Now they're fighting. There's no way this Mike Barge is on the level. It's got to be, it's got to be a come on. Okay.

[01:48:25] I'm not sure how to take that ending there with the furniture business burning down onto the next episode. Does that mean we're losing Robbie for the rest of the season? He's moving away. Okay. I was really hoping we were past this teen drama stuff. I mixed up.

[01:48:37] Wasn't Robbie leading to go live in a cabin somewhere or hike on the beach or whatever? Danny Terry is so in your head, man. So far in your head he's paying property tax. Johnny Worst ride share driver ever. Only someone who works at this place breaking this up.

[01:48:54] You raced down a water slide. No one else was like separate Cobra Kai and Miyagi Do people. Hey, Robbie Miguel, this is like Johnny and Danny all over again. That fight between Daniel and Amanda. Oh man, I hope they make it up. I don't know. All right.

[01:49:10] Talk to you later. Yeah. I mean as much as I like I said feel frustrated for Daniel and I also agree that he doesn't do himself any favor sometimes. It is hard to see how much in trouble their marriage is

[01:49:23] and you could really see Terry Silver just ruining his life at this point. You know, with his help a little bit, but yeah, I mean it just the stakes are pretty high for poor Daniel. I'm sorry. Steve cracks me up. It's good to hear Steve again.

[01:49:40] It's like wasn't Robbie going to go take a walk on a beach or something? Yeah. That's a good question because his mother, Shannon said, didn't she say to Johnny that he was off somewhere? I'm confused.

[01:49:55] No, she was going while he was going to go to his grandparents house. But he's not. He sounded like they were wealthy and they had a great thing going on somewhere else on like the coast or something. I don't think he was there yet.

[01:50:07] She just saying I'm going to come up with stuff because he's going to go spend the summer. Or east coast. Yeah. Okay, that's weird. But then Johnny called and said, Hey, I'll take Robbie here. Oh, okay.

[01:50:18] It was good to see those two come together and like do some really good co-parenting now because like what a couple of seasons ago, Robbie was living with the LaRusso's during the summer because neither parent wanted him. Yeah. And she was just drunk and Johnny was a loser.

[01:50:35] That's a good point. Yeah. So it's good to see both of them like kind of coming together and Robbie's best interests and you know, so that was nice. Because Daniel and his family helped her out. That was really nice of them. Yeah.

[01:50:47] They paid for her rehab or whatever. He mentioned milk, the locker milk thing. And that reminded me that Johnny told Miguel you want some milk? I got a fridge full of it. And I'm like, it's a little early for that.

[01:51:03] Why did you buy a fridge full of milk to help get ready for a baby? Maybe when the baby turns three or something, that could be helpful. Because he's Johnny. Yeah. That part didn't come up in the Google search, right? Yeah.

[01:51:19] And he mentioned Martin Cove is in the credits. I did not know that. I've been curious if Chris would come back. Oh yeah, that's right. Maybe he'll be on Daniel's side too. It's looking like everybody is going to be on Daniel's side except for Amanda.

[01:51:38] Maybe they're going to have like a blowout final episode, you know? Where everybody shows up and fights Terry Silver. Yeah. Like with the adults like in the high school, you know, when everyone was fighting. The karate war. Have a big showdown.

[01:51:53] But it's all every, my point is everyone's on Daniel's side. So we Daniel, Johnny, Chris and chosen and Mike against Terry Silver and Amanda. And Amanda. She bust out all her housewives. Right. All right. That is our show. Thanks so much for listening everybody.

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[01:52:48] Lord of the Rings? We got you covered. I got to watch this week's episode. I haven't seen it yet. Stranger things. Are you finished with the Stranger Things, Rima? Yes, we are. We wrapped that up a little while back. This season, yeah. Yeah, this season.

[01:53:03] They got one more. Is that right? Yep, one more and then they're done. So yeah, but we wrapped up this last season and I really loved it, really enjoyed it. It was crazy. It was my favorite season. Yeah, it was really good. How about the Umbrella Academy?

[01:53:23] We haven't covered season three yet. It just fell at the same time as, well, I think we were still covering Stranger Things and we just, we could do both. Right, and Better Call Saul, you remember? Yeah, they came out at the same time, huh?

[01:53:36] Yeah, it was like everything was dropping at the same time and I just, I don't have the bandwidth to be able to do it. So we do plan on covering it. I think we're going to do, we typically watch just week by week, but I think this

[01:53:49] time we're going to do a little bit of a spoiler cast. We're going to watch it first and then go back and cover week to week having watched the entire season do something a little bit different, but we will, we do plan on covering it.

[01:54:00] Was that the final season of that show? I don't, I think there's one more. I think they've been greenlit a season four and then that's going to be it. I think that's going to be their final season.

[01:54:12] I enjoy the hell out of it, so I want to cover it. I love Umbrella Academy. It's just everything kept dropping at the same damn time. Yeah, I know. It's hard. So many shows, so little time. I mean it's a good problem to have. Right? Yeah.

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