31: "The Prize" (S6E2)

[00:00:00] Hmm? Ah! So, what do we think? Four bedrooms, 2100 square feet. We got upgraded to pines. Stop you right there. I'm ready to take this off your hands. Uh, well, I appreciate that, but it's a pretty competitive situation. Is that your car?

[00:00:20] Oh hell yeah. Gonna have that thing parked here day and night, let everyone know who's the new king of the neighborhood. Okay, so it would just be you. Hell no. It's just me, I'd be sleeping in the car.

[00:00:30] Uh, no, there's my girl. Haven't made an honest woman ever yet, but as soon as I can afford a ring, bam, you know what I'm saying? She's knocked up, so baby makes three. Then there's our boys and then Rosa, she's a sweet Ecuadorian lady.

[00:00:42] She likes to smoke weed all day. We're gonna love her. Oh, we are prepared to offer $200 over asking. Like hell we are. Um, sorry, but my client is looking for a tenant who's a little bit more stable. The hell are you calling unstable?

[00:00:55] Unlock that dumb haircut right off your stupid face to show you just how unstable I am. Johnny. Well, you're the one who said he had a dumb haircut. I'm just agreeing. Hey everybody, welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason and I'm Richard and I'm Raymond.

[00:01:19] And this is Cobra Kai cast. This week recovering Cobra Kai season six episode two, The Prize. The prize. What is the prize? The prize is Rima. She's back. So bum didn't miss the first episode. Yeah. But schedule. What did you think of it? Oh, the first episode? Yeah.

[00:01:43] Um, it was okay. Too peaceful for you? I think so. You know, gotta have a little karate to jazz things up. It was fine, which I mean, you have to kind of come back after everything happened in the last season.

[00:01:59] You've got to kind of wears all of our characters out and kind of set the stage so we can move forward. So it was fine. I just thought, I liked it. And I think because there's if they had three more episodes like that,

[00:02:14] it would be like, what are you doing? But it was okay to have one. And I thought it was interesting how they kind of tease like, like they made it seem like Johnny was going to go off and do Cobra Kai again. And then, nope, he's back.

[00:02:25] Everything's fine. They're all together. They're actually more unified than ever before, which I wasn't expecting. So yeah, that was interesting. I liked it, but I also am ready for some conflict and drama too. Yeah. Yeah. I like the feel.

[00:02:40] It was like a feeling of going back and seeing old friends and family after a long time and catching up. Two years. Yeah. That was cool. Yeah. I mean, I didn't dislike it. It was just, it was like, okay, this is okay.

[00:02:52] I guess set everything up and like start planting those steps for, you know, what needs to happen this season. It just wasn't anything, you know, groundbreaking or anything too dramatic. But you know, that's what we love about the show, the thrills, the drama. Yeah. Action.

[00:03:09] Well, let's get into this episode Cobra Kai Season 6 Episode 2, The Prize. I'll read a synopsis from Wikipedia. Chris proposes to Master Kim. That's weird. I don't remember that. Oh, Chris proposed to Master Kim to have his dojo represent Cobra Kai in the Sakai, Tai Kai.

[00:03:28] That makes more sense. Only to be turned down after Dayun's previous partnership with Silver ended in failure. Master Kim then agrees to the proposal of Chris Ventures to a remote island and recovers his ancient family knife deep within a cave.

[00:03:42] Chris finds the knife but is bitten by an albino Cobra causing him to see hallucinations of Silver and Johnny. Meanwhile, Miguel discovers that Kyler is a subject of hazing by fraternity that has no plans of letting him in.

[00:03:54] With the help of Miguel, Dimitri, Eli and Brux, Kyler takes down the fraternity at their party. After Dia's apartment experience is a leaky ceiling due to clogged sewage pipes, Johnny gets a sales job at LaRusso Auto Group to save up for a new home.

[00:04:09] Upon conquering his inner demons and vanquishing his soul weakness, Chris beheads the Cobra and returns to Master Kim with the knife and the dead Cobra's head. Determine to not allow anyone to stop him from his goal, not even Johnny. Not even.

[00:04:25] Yeah, I mean, I would say especially not. Because who else is it going to be? So what did you guys think of this one? I liked it. It's kind of like back to the old tried and true formula, right? Yeah.

[00:04:43] You know what? This episode felt like I just got back from a road trip. So I'm like, it feels like the beginning of a road trip, you know, that's going to build up to the Sakai-Takai tournament. But you know what? It still feels fresh.

[00:04:56] I was like, I was pretty excited. Yeah. I'm still excited even after this episode because we haven't seen the next one yet. I hope that this excitement lasts through the next three episodes though so that, you know, I'm ready to go for the next five.

[00:05:08] Yeah. I've been not looking too much, you know, as usual at the news because I don't want to be spoiled. But I get the feeling something's going to happen that might be controversial and disappointing to some. Those are the glimmerings just like squinting at the headlines.

[00:05:24] So I'm wondering what that's going to be. They love to throw in cliffhangers, don't they? If it's a cliffhanger, that's fine. I'd be disappointed if it wasn't. That's okay. I wouldn't be mad about that because November will be here soon enough for the next five. But yeah.

[00:05:43] What do you think? I liked this episode better than the first one for sure. I think Rich described it very well, you know, kind of, you know, settling in, you know, and kind of getting back to what works with the show.

[00:05:59] And, you know, there was some great funny moments and there's a, you know, some that I didn't like so much about this particular episode. But, you know, we'll get in. We'll get into that. But overall, I liked it. Yeah. I thought it was pretty great.

[00:06:14] I didn't care quite as much for like the college and frat stuff, but it was it was all right. And I thought the crease stuff was pretty entertaining, pretty far out, but pretty entertaining. And the Johnny stuff was funny as hell. So yeah, I liked it.

[00:06:33] Johnny always delivers. Yep. Alright, Rima, you want to go first? Sure. Well, so I can end my points on a positive note. I'm going to start with what I didn't like.

[00:06:50] And I mean, it sounds like we're not going to be in agreement because it sounds like you enjoyed these parts. But I don't always love the crease heavy episodes. And I didn't really love this crease flashbacks and what was going on in this episode.

[00:07:11] I mean, I've gotten a lot of his backstory. And I didn't really find it that compelling. And I don't know, I was just having having trouble, you know, suspending my disbelief, I guess. I enjoy the show because there are some over-the-top moments.

[00:07:30] I mean, that's totally what Copperkite is about. So I don't like to get too wrapped up in it. There's some things you just have to kind of roll with.

[00:07:36] But it just felt a little too far to believe that he could just come and go as he pleases after he just broke out of jail.

[00:07:46] And he's able to go travel to Korea without a passport, that he's somehow made it onto a plane or a ship or something. However, he traveled. We don't know.

[00:07:57] He also knows all the status quo about that Copperkite got into the Sakai Taekai and that his students beat up five of the Kim Sung-young students. I'm like, how do you know all the dish? You must have Netflix.

[00:08:12] Yeah, he's got a network or something. I don't know. He's getting the tea from somewhere. So it was hard for me to like, okay, wait a minute. So how did you get from there to here as a fugitive?

[00:08:27] And then when he has to go on this mission to retrieve that knife for Master Kim, you know, and there's a snake. And I know it wasn't a real snake. I'm positive. It was probably CGI. But I'm like, how do you get bit by a cobra and survive?

[00:08:45] Like instead of having poison was it LSD and crease hallucinations? I don't know. I was just having a real hard time with it. I was struggling with that. And then maybe that's because I'm a little kind of tired of the crease story so much.

[00:09:05] Not as forgiving when it doesn't make sense. Yeah. So maybe that's where I was. Maybe it's a me thing and that's okay. I'm fine if people disagree with that and had fun with it or enjoyed it. But I was just really struggling with all of that.

[00:09:21] It was too much for me to have to say, oh, it's fine. That makes all the sense. I think, I don't know. Maybe when I do my points on these, it might help you like it a little bit more

[00:09:36] because I really see what they're I think I see what they're going for with all of it. But I don't know. One thing I'll say is they're clearly setting up the final season to be this return to this rival

[00:09:53] where you between Chris and Johnny. So yeah, you better get ready for that. Maybe you won't like it because of that. I don't know. At the tournament, both sides keep saying about the tournament.

[00:10:04] And that to me, I'm cool with that because it goes back to that from the original Karate Kid movies with Johnny. That's his original kind of bad teacher and so to return to it at the end here seems like a good idea to me

[00:10:22] if they can do it well. But if you just don't enjoy the crease stuff then yeah, it might not be good. Yeah. If they can tell the rest of the story and the rest of the journey in ways that make a little more sense,

[00:10:38] I think I would be okay with that because I mean, I know when we talked about when we covered Karate Kid 4 and we're talking about like our hopes for this season.

[00:10:48] The only thing that I really, really wanted to happen out of everything was like to kind of have the focus kind of back on Johnny a little bit

[00:10:57] because I felt like Cobra Kai was inspired by his story and it was kind of season one was pretty Johnny centric before the cast really expanded to what it is, which is still really great, but I'm hoping it does kind of focus that way.

[00:11:15] And I mean, it makes sense for it to kind of come back around to being about crease and Johnny and this rivalry and kind of once and for all kind of like settling this whole thing. However, it ends up. Yeah, maybe one will kill the other hopefully.

[00:11:31] Oh, I don't know for when that happened. Chop his head off. But so I mean that kind of makes sense. I mean, it sounds like crease is kind of made peace like with his original teachings for Master Kim, the no mercy and just being outright ruthless.

[00:11:49] And he had to kind of, you know, eliminate that within himself, you know, recognize that Johnny was the one in his way. He was the only one that he showed mercy to and he had to kind of eliminate that in that vision.

[00:12:01] It was just, I don't know the way that they told that part of the story. It was just hard for me to like, like I understand what you're saying that this is the direction that they're going for.

[00:12:13] It was just hard for me to like get my head there. Like it didn't make sense with it was just too hard to get over. Well, yeah, I mean, it's like, OK, if you believe this teacher, this knife has been sitting there for like 75 years or something.

[00:12:32] And then he somehow knew that this cobra would be guarding it and that would be crease's challenge. And then crease goes in and the knife is just like a few feet in. Why didn't anybody else go get it during all this time?

[00:12:44] How did you know the cover was going to be there? Or even if you lied, did you just have one of your students go stick a cobra in there? So I think and then, yeah, like you said,

[00:12:56] you don't I looked it up when you get bit by a cobra. Actually, all my since I'm talking about it, it puts you into respiratory failure and then you die. Yeah. So here's some possible symptoms and outcomes immediate pain and swelling.

[00:13:12] Neurological symptoms like drowsiness, blurred vision, drooping eyelids, difficulty speaking, respiratory paralysis, cardiovascular issues and severe cases of venom can cause cardiovascular collapse and death due to paralysis of the heart and lungs. You can have headaches. I mean, a headache doesn't seem that bad if your heart's collapsing.

[00:13:36] Dizzy, nausea and vomiting. But it says hallucinations are not typically associated with it. So for me, I'm like, this is a story. I don't care. You know, that's how I'm trying to approach it.

[00:13:51] I'm not saying you're wrong, but just because I was thinking the same kinds of things. That's why first thing I said about it was all pretty far out. Yeah, I'm not.

[00:13:59] Well, and also unless the snake, which I don't know why a snake in the in some cave that this would happen, but unless it's venom glands were somehow taken out and it was no longer venomous anymore. Again, like how are you just walking around like that?

[00:14:20] I mean, I think at this point, this is kind of like a Marvel superhero movie where the incredible hulk gets doused with gamma radiation and suddenly he can turn into this big monster and we're not going, what would never happen? It's kind of like that.

[00:14:37] And maybe I just was not in the right frame of mind. Yeah, I mean, I watched the episode. So it's, you know, like I said, I don't want to like nitpick it that much, but it just, it I had a hard time with it and it's fine.

[00:14:49] I'm not going to, you know, dwindle on it. We'll move on to the next episode. And if it's a little bit nuttier than then that one, then I'll just take it with a grain of salt. I guess it's the nutty show now. So yeah. So that's it.

[00:15:03] I won't say anymore about it. I don't know. Jason, you got to check your sources, dude, because everyone knows when you get bit by a snake, especially a cobra. You're just going to wander around hallucinating about your weaknesses and fears and karate chop in the air. Come on.

[00:15:18] I want to try it if that's the case. Let's go Cavan. All right, Rich, what do you got? Same thing. Yeah. Yeah, I went in and I was like, yeah.

[00:15:31] I kind of had Rima's outlook on this the first time we watched it, but you know, I always watch it first all the way through.

[00:15:38] And then I take notes later, but the first time through, I'm just sitting there kind of drooling on my pillow watching it going, what the hell is this all about? Anyways, and then I had to go back and try and figure it all out. And it makes sense.

[00:15:49] And I appreciate what they're doing, but I came to the same exact conclusion that, you know, you can't dig too deep here. Oh, you probably won't be too happy.

[00:15:57] You have to think about what are they trying to do here and are they successful with that part of it, you know? That's what I did. What's the reason for all this? Yeah, what is it?

[00:16:09] And it's him kind of like the Luke Skywalker thing, when he had to go into the cave when Yoda sent him to face his fears and his weaknesses. Dagobah, I think that's a deliberate reference for sure. Yeah, it happens a lot in movies actually.

[00:16:23] Yeah, it was like, I don't know. It was a necessity. I think they did it probably about as well as you can do it. But yeah, it's been played so many times and it's a setup, so it is what it is.

[00:16:34] But it made sense in the end if you really think about it because Kreese and Silver are there. Oh, we got to see Silver again too. Gosh, you know, the actor who plays a young Silver sure does look like him.

[00:16:46] And the fact that they didn't get Thomas C. and Griffith to come in and do that, I think it probably means he's not going to be back at all. But it could mean they're saving him. But my gut says we're done with him, you know?

[00:17:01] And then it's easier to get the younger guy actor for some reason. Yeah, yeah, probably. For a cameo. I mean, he's been arrested so he may not see him.

[00:17:11] Yeah, but I mean if just for a vision that could have if Thomas C. and Griffith was going to show up late or you know. Yeah, in the past. Yeah. Oh yeah, it's right his vision. That's right. He was young, huh?

[00:17:21] Yeah, and he, you know, when he has this first encounter with Master Kim, Kim says, you know, in America, you're a sensei and here you're just a student. So you presume he's already been back and forth to America a few times. And he knows little tiny Kim Da-yong.

[00:17:38] She was cute. Yeah, we saw her last season, I think in some flashbacks. Yeah. Yeah. And then Chris, you know, admits when the circumstances calls for it or and I guess he was just talking specifically about Johnny that he showed mercy.

[00:17:55] But the rest of the time he shows no mercy and Kim laughs at him. And then proceeds to make the point clear by kicking his ass that you never show mercy, right? He's like, are you going to teach her? And he's like, she's learning right now.

[00:18:12] I wonder if Chris, if Master Kim was going to kill Chris just before the, before little Kim kicked him in the butt. Remember that scene? He was like getting ready to do something. Probably would have knocked him out.

[00:18:22] Like he was going to rip his face off or something. Yeah. Little Kim to the... That's what they do in Kowarikai, no mercy, but they don't kill each other.

[00:18:31] And that's a setup for what he says later. Yeah, it's a setup for what happens later on with him and his vision of Johnny. But yeah, it makes all sense.

[00:18:42] Master Kim's quest for Johnny like, yo, this quest for Luke Skywalker got to eliminate your weaknesses and fears, whatever stands in the way. I like that he had to face the snake.

[00:18:50] I think that was pretty cool that it was a cobra, you know, Cobra Kai, blah, blah, blah. And yeah, I get it. Johnny's, you know, his weakness, Johnny is Chris's weakness because he never shows mercy except to him.

[00:19:02] He compromises his teachings for him and he thought Johnny was the answer for him, but like for what? That's the part I struggled with again. The answer to what? To win a few tournaments and get a bunch of students and grow as Dojo and go nationwide, I guess.

[00:19:16] Probably to carry on the teachings maybe. Yeah, probably best. Yeah, to summon Master Kim's teachings across the planet. I guess that's his end game. But in the end, you know, I guess basically what we're left with is Johnny, Chris wants to kill Johnny.

[00:19:34] Yeah, I mean, what does it mean? Because the lesson he learned is don't focus on the prize, which in this case would be the tournament. Focus on the threats, eliminating the threats that are in your way. Eliminate what stands in the way, yeah. Eliminate me and hear kill.

[00:19:53] I don't think that's what I'm thinking. That's extreme. Yeah, all of that for that. And I was just like, whoa. So I had a point on the teacher and also another one on what Chris goes through.

[00:20:07] And I think I'm just going to go through both those so we can sort of exhaust that whole part of the episode. So we meet Master Kim Sung Young in Flashback. Oh, this man in the world. Then in current day. Yeah.

[00:20:21] And I had wondered if maybe he was alive and I was trying to figure out the math of it and thought, man, he'd have to be pretty old. But I think they did a pretty good job as far as these things go with old person makeup here.

[00:20:31] You know? Yeah. He could be in his 90s. It's the same guy, C.S. Lee, who played Vince Masuka on Dexter. He's Masuka on Dexter. Unrecognizable. Yeah, completely. Very good. That's cool.

[00:20:44] So this is the man who created the Way of the Fist, which are the teachings behind the brutal teachings behind Cobra Kai. In Karate Kid 3 when Terry Silver first introduced himself to Miyagi and was pretending to be all humble and everything.

[00:20:58] He said that Chris was dead, which was a lie. He said, my name is Terry Silver. My master is Kim Sung Young of South Korea. My teacher sends his respects. John Kreese of the Cobra Kai Dojo was our school's number one student.

[00:21:11] Word reached us in Korea only two months ago about what happened last year at the tournament. My teacher sends his apologies for John Kreese's dishonorable actions. Of course, all that was a big fat lie.

[00:21:23] For one thing, I don't know if he would ever say John Kreese was his best student because he says things like, you were always a bad student. Yeah. Yeah. One point when he's like, you're so incompetent, I must stay alive or something like that. I'm like, what?

[00:21:42] I love that. Oh my gosh. That went hard. I mean, horrible. That's why I must stay alive to his granddaughter. My gosh. I mean, these movies, the Karate Kid movies and Cobra Kai is all about the importance of good role models and teachers.

[00:21:58] And Miyagi said back in the first movie, no such thing as bad student, only bad teacher. And this guy is the bad teacher where all the badness and Cobra Kai comes from. So that's why I think it's pretty cool to show him. That's personal.

[00:22:13] That goes to the root of all of it. Yeah, he's the root. You're not just saying that to a student if you're the teacher. Your incompetence is why I must keep teaching. Not just his student but his granddaughter. Yeah.

[00:22:26] But it's really been that ridiculous since the first movie because in the Cobra Kai dojo, you have Kreese just beating the fuck out of his son. He's beating the fuck out of his students when they don't do what he says, you know.

[00:22:37] Beating up Johnny at the end of the tournament and everything and all the other students shouldn't laugh at that. That's awful. But anyways, so Kreese and Silver, we were saying, you know, they've been back and forth.

[00:22:51] Well, they were trained by this Captain George Turner in Vietnam which we saw in flashbacks. And that guy was a student of Master Kim. And then later they started Cobra Kai when they got back home from Vietnam.

[00:23:06] And then about four years in, they traveled to South Korea to train directly with Kim for the first time. And so I think this flashback is at the end of that training. I don't know if they made more than one trip but I'm just looking at the wiki.

[00:23:19] Right. So they'd already started Cobra Kai then they finally got to train with the original bastard. Yeah, that's been there, yeah. So then I noticed when we see with this flashback the roots of things that show up in how Cobra Kai does things.

[00:23:36] Decades later, he's beating up Kim Dae-yun and I already kind of just mentioned this but then Kreese beats up his own students. We see at the end of first movie or beginning of second movie. Then when Kreese stops into steps in to stop Kim from beating Kim Dae-yun.

[00:23:53] He says, not very good student if you ask for mercy. And Kreese says, I know the lesson and when the circumstances called for it I didn't show mercy. Circumstance, lessons for a whole life. So saying you should never show mercy at all.

[00:24:08] And that's one of the sayings of Cobra Kai, no mercy. And then when he chokes his granddaughter and asks if she's afraid. And she says no. And then he says well then you can start training.

[00:24:20] And that's a big Cobra Kai thing too. Fear does not exist in this dojo. Yeah. And I just loved how they revealed that he was still alive. Kreese is there asking Kim Dae-yun can Cobra Kai go into the Sakae Taikai?

[00:24:36] And she says, I would say yes but it's not up to me and then you see inside the hut and Kreese is all master Kim and then he turns around. That moment hit me. It was pretty good.

[00:24:47] I laughed out loud because it looked at his face was like damn you still alive. Yeah, Kreese's expression was hilarious. Yeah. But it made me wish Miyagi was still alive. Made me think of Miyagi.

[00:24:58] So then my point about Kreese is called setting up the final rivalry and standoff between Johnny and Kreese. So Kreese tells Kim Dae-yun that Cobra Kai still has a spot in this Taikai and he wants to win it. I'm like, how do you know that? But okay.

[00:25:13] And then master Kim says no, which I liked. And then you find out he said no because he had already sent his granddaughter to spread his teachings around and she failed so forget you guys. Yeah. And then she blames Terry Silver's fault. No excuses.

[00:25:29] And then he says, fool always focus on the prize never see enemy standing in the way. So that's the theme of Kreese's story learning that he needs to focus on eliminating his enemies.

[00:25:37] And then when he gives him a chance to prove himself because Kreese said, you know, one of my students beat up five of yours. And he's like, oh, you got a little fight left in you there.

[00:25:49] So like that's what impressed him when you're an asshole that impresses Kim life is about aggression and dominance. Right. And then when he said this land was once under Japanese colonial rule when I was just a boy invaders tried to constrict me into the military.

[00:26:03] So I flee into the forest to take shelter in a cave. I kind of like that because they're already starting to maybe so the seeds of a little sympathy even for this guy, you know, he's had a hard life. I don't know.

[00:26:14] He killed a dozen of them with his knife. It was like he was quite the badass when he was younger. Yes. So Kreese sees silver in the cave.

[00:26:24] Yeah, you already covered all that that basically Johnny's weakness and that's what he learned that I have to get rid of my weakness. I don't know. It's a bit like they're really trying.

[00:26:34] I think the point of this is, well, wait, I should also say I did think it was pretty badass to show a cobra full on with the flared neck because it's Cobra Kai and he has to go up against it and it looked super cool. I thought.

[00:26:48] And so even though it's ridiculous, I'm like, yeah, it's badass too. You know what I mean? That was pretty cool. Yeah. It makes sense to have him would be a cobra and still come through because he's so tough.

[00:27:00] So it was ridiculous, but I thought that part was cool. And I think the whole point is just, yeah, to try to set up Kreese's motivation for the season to really be focused on eliminating Johnny. And I think it's a bit forced, but I don't know.

[00:27:16] I feel like this show is almost a comedy, so I'm not quite as critical about the details as I am with the drama. Take it all with a grain of salt. Yeah, a little bit. I understand though. I don't know.

[00:27:30] It's a fine line like they could lose me if they're not careful. Yeah, right. Yeah, it does feel like we're kind of walking on eggshells a little bit. A little bit. Yeah.

[00:27:41] Going back to the Triad Intro Formula episode per episode, but you know, it's coming in waves of five. So it could be like three little mini series. Mm hmm. I mean, season two has been my least favorite and it's been a while now.

[00:27:53] So I don't remember all the details, but I remember thinking if they just keep going like this, I might start to lose interest. And then it got better, I thought. Yeah. So this show can falter. Roller coaster. Well, the good part is that's out of the way.

[00:28:07] We know what Chris's motivation is and what he wants to do. So hey, move on. Yeah. And to be clear, I haven't lost faith or anything like that. I still love the show, but you know, I'm just like, okay, whatever.

[00:28:24] We're going to ignore that and move on, but I'm not going to say I liked it if I didn't. So. Nope. I wouldn't expect you to. You don't have to like everything. I know. Yeah. And goodness. Right. So what else? Did you hate anything else?

[00:28:42] No, that was really like, and I didn't hate it. It was just like, oh, come on. I was like, I get it. There's a lot of over the top things and you can question and you can't like put a whole

[00:28:56] lot of logic on things, but I was like, oh, come on. Really? And again, maybe just not in the best mindset when I watched it the first time. But no, the rest, you know, I enjoyed and some really good old fashioned Cobra Kai goodness.

[00:29:13] You know, I thought in the rest of the episode and so my next point has to do with the adventure. And I just a quick note before I go too far into my point, I just one thing I think about

[00:29:25] often is if anyone in real life were involved as many fights as there were in these series, everybody would be having some jail time. Just want to get that. Yeah. And some serious health issues too. Yes.

[00:29:38] Here we go another fight in a public and the way they show and punch each other in the face. I mean, you'd have like a broken job and stuff after the first one.

[00:29:47] That's really another way that this show isn't like real life, you know, it's more like a superhero show. I know. And that's where I'm like, I was like why? And I was kind of annoyed with myself honestly that I was so nitpicky about, you know, the

[00:30:03] whole crease thing. So I'm like, well, look at all this other stuff, you know, there's always, you know, so again, you know, just it's me. I felt a little bit like that with him last season too though at the end when

[00:30:14] he suddenly we're watching some like action movie when he breaks out of jail, you know, it felt a little bit like is that going to I guess so. Yeah, it's it's fine. But the college tour, you know, with the kids, I thought was fun.

[00:30:35] And we got to see Kyler again. Completely ridiculous. And I don't know. I've thought this, you know, for a bit the last time that we saw Kyler, which I cannot remember exactly when it was, but seeing him, I guess having a little break from him and

[00:30:52] seeing him again in this episode, I can't help but wonder did the did the actor or maybe the show runners use Scotty P from where the where the Millers as inspiration for Kyler's character? You guys seen that movie? No. Well, darn that fell flat.

[00:31:12] Well, go watch the movie or just go watch the clip. Look up Scotty P from where the Millers on YouTube. It's totally worth it and maybe you'll see but I swear Kyler when he speaks sounds just like this character and laughs just like him.

[00:31:29] I can't hear him laugh without thinking of Scotty P and anyone seen the movie you know might know what I'm talking about. Did you hear what he said to the girl he was chatting up at the party? Yeah. What do you say?

[00:31:43] He goes, uh, you got to come over to my place, babe. I got this like snake with one eye. Yeah, I bet you do. Such a charmer. She seemed into it, but I don't think she knew what he was talking about. What was he doing?

[00:32:02] I think he was banging his king on the ground or something. I don't know if that's what he was doing, but. Low standards. Well, now that you've said that Scotty P. Scotty P. Because Kyler is comedic relief for me. I love the way he talks.

[00:32:17] I think it's hilarious. If you watch the clip or watch the movie, you'll, I think you'll, you'll get it. What I'm talking about is just the way the cadence of his speech and his laugh. Yeah. But anyway.

[00:32:33] Um, not so much on Kyler, you know, that, that I wanted to really talk about it was more like Miguel and Hawk and Eli how they, I think this episode really showed some growth from those characters where they're able to. By the way. Sorry. Hockey is Eli.

[00:32:54] Oh, oh right. What's, um, oh, the other one, Dimitri. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Thank you. I didn't have it written down. But they, I think the growth in this episode that they were able to like patch

[00:33:06] things up with this bully that just harassed all of them, bullied them, got into constant fights all the time. Um, and that they didn't hold on to any resentment. Um, or didn't seem to anyway, hold on to any resentment from any of the things that happened.

[00:33:22] And we even saw the flashback, you know, Hawk just beating the fuck out of this guy. He's like, oh, crap about that dude. So much so that he's like swallowed his own teeth. Yeah. And he's like, yeah, it's all right. Yeah.

[00:33:35] They all seem to just like have moved on. And I think, I think that can be pretty true to a lot of real life situations, you know, where, you know, you've had that bully and, you know, you grow up a little, get some distance and then see them

[00:33:50] later in life. And you just kind of like, yeah, that was just dumb kid or high rate. What did we even hate each other for? What were you even mad about or whatever? So I do like that they were able to kind of move on.

[00:34:03] So I did appreciate that, especially like for Miguel, because he and Kyler had a great chat after where somehow Kyler had some words of wisdom. It seemed it really was like, wow, that came, it came from you that really inspired Miguel.

[00:34:18] It seems to like continue following his dreams. So I thought that was really nice. I still think Kyler is a bit of a tool. I don't think this was a redemption for him. I've seen chatter that like, oh redeeming episode for Kyler.

[00:34:32] And I disagree with that because I still think he's the tool for what he did to Sam. And I think he really needs to apologize to her and then we'll consider a redemption. And you still, even though he's being nice, he's kind of a doofus, dork douche.

[00:34:48] But it's like. He's a frat boy. A lot of what happens on this show, you know where former rivals are budding up. But you know, mostly with Johnny and Daniel how they've slowly become, when I say friends, I guess so, but

[00:35:06] come to respect each other and it just feels so good. And that this scene that you're talking about felt like that too, where he's saying, you know, well, he said, I'm a freaking idiot, man, you know, I had goals. I had dreams.

[00:35:20] I just didn't stick with them like I could have gone to a great party school, not a safety party school, but not that part. But then the guy with the other fraternity comes up and pressed that Kyler took out the douchebag from

[00:35:30] the first fraternity and says he's looking if you're looking for another house, you're in. He goes, just as long as you can be that badass all the time. And Kyler says, yeah. And then he nods towards Miguel. I used to kick this guy's ass all over the valley.

[00:35:42] Tell him, Rhea. And he goes, yeah, that's true. And just invoking that term, Rhea, that he used to use for him all the time. But now they're just laughing about it. And it's like, yeah, there's just a good feeling to that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:35:57] But I would agree with Rhea. I don't think that's a redemption. I think he just found a niche really luckily found a niche where he's going to fit good. Yeah. And I don't know if he needs a full redemption. Maybe he's just, you know, now it's OK between

[00:36:11] them and maybe that's good enough where we don't have to love every character, but at least they're not. He's not being a total antagonist anymore, you know. Yeah. Oh yeah. I'm totally fine with that. I think it's pretty true too, what you said, Rhea, about that being believable.

[00:36:27] I see a lot of kids, you know, that get bullied and then they confront their bullies or they somehow resolve it and come to closure before it goes on to become like a lifetime or a feud or whatever you want to call it, like Johnny and Daniel.

[00:36:43] I mean, one of my very best friends, Dan Watman, who's been a guest host on this show a couple of times, we started off as a rivalry in fourth grade. He knew Tec Wando and he was a dick. Yeah.

[00:36:56] And now we're really good friends and he's one of the best guys I know. Being listening to this right now. I don't care if he hears it. He knows. He knows. He's told us himself about what a dick he was.

[00:37:13] But he's not at all like, he's like one of the greatest guys I know now. Exact opposite now, yeah. Anyways, yeah, mine was Kyler too. Whenever he comes on, oh, we were just talking about him last episode, Jason and I, when we were

[00:37:26] reviewing episode one, we were like, where's Kyler? He's the one we wanted to see and boom, here he is. I thought maybe he would come back and be more of an antagonist but nope, he's nice like everyone else. Yeah.

[00:37:37] My thing with Kyler is that he's a total doofus, so I like to see him because it makes me laugh. Yeah, totally. I'm looking for here is some laughs and he certainly did right off the bat. Kyler, you go to school here?

[00:37:50] Nah, bro, it's more like this school goes to me. It doesn't even mean he's hilarious but I was wondering, do you guys think Kyler is like what a young Johnny would be like today without the surfer dude talk? I don't know.

[00:38:11] Johnny you don't think ever found his niche in high school and just kind of went on. What do you mean? He was prom king in high school, he was big man on campus. I mean after high school. After, yeah. After high school. That's true. Yeah.

[00:38:25] That's what he's struggling with. That's what Kyler would be struggling with. No, I don't think so. He didn't find a craft to get in. I think Johnny had more social skills a little bit, I don't know. He didn't seem like quite as dumb as Kyler. Yes.

[00:38:44] He does now but not in high school. The way you talk to that realtor. He hasn't evolved a whole lot. He seems dumber to me than he did back then. He's devolved. Yeah. Yeah, and I don't really feel bad for him either in any way.

[00:39:03] Whether he's dumb or not. But he sure does have an upbeat attitude all the time. That's one thing you can say about him. That's what strength, right? It was a cool fight scene. I liked the fight. It was pretty good. A lot of thrunches, a lot of kicks.

[00:39:18] But you know, nothing we haven't seen before. So, but it was a good break. Well, you know what I loved about it? Is this whole fraternity thing like I said at the top wasn't my favorite. It felt a bit like filler to me. The whole story really.

[00:39:34] But it had its fun moments. But the thing I liked about the most is that it felt like a typical jock versus nerd story where Miguel and all his friends and Kyler especially are the nerds that are being dominated by these douchebags.

[00:39:56] And he's to the point where he's got Kyler as a human vacuum, humiliating him. But the twist is, and we knew this the whole time, that our people can wipe the floor with these guys anytime they choose to. And once they realize that they're not worth their time,

[00:40:13] they just fucking floor them. It's a blood bath. And that's something that's different than all those movies. And it was kind of satisfying to watch in my view. No concept. It is pretty satisfying to watch frat boys get their butts kicked too.

[00:40:29] I love to see the nerds come out on top. And lay one out on, I guess, like the popular kids that these frat boys probably thought of themselves. They probably peaked in high school and that's why they're such assholes. Yep.

[00:40:48] They're going to be in college for a long time. Oh, you know what? On the second watch, did you guys listen to the rap? You know, they were playing like a rap song while they were fighting. At some point in the rap song, there was something said

[00:41:03] about Bacon and Captain Kirk. And I'm like, huh, Bacon and Captain Kirk and Karate? Hell yeah, this is a good scene. Can't go wrong with that. Is the Pope shit with a funny hat? I mean, come on. Other things I was thinking about during this is

[00:41:20] Miguel's wanting to go to Stanford and Sam's trying to get a college near there. And I used to live in walking distance of Stanford and Palo Alto. I'd walk down there sometimes beautiful campus. And then the whole thing with Brooks going to MIT,

[00:41:40] that was pretty predictable that, oh no, he didn't get a good SAT score. Oh yeah, right. It's not the real MIT. But I used to live near the real MIT and I would actually walk past it sometimes when I went to school in Boston.

[00:41:52] And then they were dealing with fraternities and I actually joined a fraternity in college and I was in it for like a semester and then I quit because it was lame. And the main reason why I quit is because it

[00:42:12] was a brand new fraternity and they had some guys that were seeing more like the kind of nerdy guys in it. But they were talented, creative. One guy was a brilliant piano player but not that socially good. And then there were the jock guys and they invoked

[00:42:29] some bylaw where everyone can vote on whether people stay in or go and if someone gets enough votes they're out because they wanted to kick the nerds out. And I found out from somebody that they were talking about whether they should let me stay

[00:42:45] in because I was kind of on the in the middle and I wouldn't toe the line sometimes with them. But there were other guys speaking up for me and all this drama and stuff and I ended up making the cut like they didn't vote me out

[00:43:01] but they voted all the other nerdy guys out that I kind of liked a couple of them I connected with and so I thought about it for a little while and I'm like fuck this and I just quit. Probably a good move.

[00:43:13] Yeah, I mean I know some people get a lot out of those things but didn't feel like the right environment for me. I don't think I could do it. I'm too weak. It would be too much of a distraction for me. Yeah, there was an alcoholic or something.

[00:43:29] There was a lot. That was another thing and just felt like there was a lot to take care of. Yeah. You didn't have to be a human vacuum. There was hazing. I kind of was disappointed there wasn't more hazing because that's what you always get from those

[00:43:45] like movies, revenge of the nerds and stuff. Revenge of the nerds. Yeah. But we drank so much during like the Hays Week or whatever. Thanks. It was ridiculous. And they gave me a nickname that was that I would never say out loud. You can't just like tease that.

[00:44:07] You can't say it. Oh it was a stud muffin. No, I can't say it. Sorry. Let's move on. That's wrong. It was a Cobra Kai. Cobra Kai. All right. Where are we? Your next point of Richard was finished with this. Are you done? Yeah.

[00:44:31] There's not a whole lot to say about Kyler. Except that he's funny. He is spitting a comic relief. All right. Johnny trying to make it all work and taking on the Miyagi-Do way. So they really were pouring it on with him

[00:44:47] where he has all these expenses piling up baby on the way, sewage pipes broke so he needs a new place to live because they're all moving into his apartment. I guess that's what I got out of it. Miguel wants to go to Stanford.

[00:45:04] So all of this I think is about him trying to level up and be a provider like Daniel did really. And it shows I think how his aggressive Cobra Kai taught tendencies have been a hindrance in his life. Like you were saying he didn't develop after high school

[00:45:22] and I think the idea is that has to do with the teachings you know? Yeah. Because like Kim Sung-Young said showing no mercy isn't just about this one thing it's about your whole life and Chosen tells Johnny you embrace the tenets of Miyagi-Do for your whole life.

[00:45:42] You know, not just karate but dealing with the realtors and stuff. So it's about how these teachings can impact your whole life when taken to heart. Yeah. You know what I found interesting too is when Johnny and Daniel were talking Daniel was saying the same thing.

[00:46:00] He was saying it's a way of life and Johnny's like I know, I know it's a way of life. I used to say the same crap about Cobra Kai. Yeah. So many of you know that's kind of a deep statement because he acknowledges what he's been saying

[00:46:12] but he doesn't I don't think truly believe it or fully embracing it yet. Yeah. But he's trying and he says I'm working the Miyagi-Do program which sounds like he's in AA which maybe is how he's thinking about it. Working the program.

[00:46:26] But I also like as always one of the themes of the show is about social class and status and flipping that on its head. So in Karate Kid Johnny was upper class and here he's trying to rent an apartment in Recita and the realtor says

[00:46:40] you want to be a stone's throw away from Encina without paying Encina prices. I'm the guy you go through. But that's interesting because when Daniel first met Allie's parents at their rich house in Karate Kid one of them asked do you live in Encina, Daniel?

[00:46:53] And he goes Encina, no. Well where do you live? Oh out like Recita and they're like shaking their heads and then her mom drives up in the beat up station wagon and that's your mother? Yeah that's her. Lower class poopoo. Yeah.

[00:47:08] So Johnny really fucks it up with this realtor and that was about his aggressive Cobra Kai tendencies and I don't have what he said here because it's in my segment about funny things but I thought it was funny as hell. But then he goes to the second house

[00:47:29] and this guy who admires him offers to rent in the house if he can get his financials in order. Well yeah like that's the problem and I think Johnny just learns he needs to quote get his financials on track like get a job which is like duh

[00:47:44] and the guy who idolized him that house doesn't even stay on the market so really it's just Johnny learns he needs to get a job. So he goes to Daniel and Daniel says same thing you need to get a nine to five and then comes back

[00:48:00] and says he accepts Daniel's job offer and Daniel's like what do you think Johnny actually thought Daniel offered him a job or he was just sort of trying to get in? I didn't have that feeling at all I think Daniel's putting some words into his mouth honestly

[00:48:15] I think he was just going to show up and do whatever. Daniel thought who knows when I'm asking him No I think Johnny thought he was just going to show up and start doing whatever but Daniel was like Well no, Johnny showed up

[00:48:28] and said I will take you up on your kind offer Yeah for a job for a nine to five But Daniel never offered him a job Yeah that's true So my question is did Johnny really misinterpret Daniel or was he just saying that

[00:48:45] hoping that Daniel would give him a job I don't know, Johnny hears what he wants to hear and Daniel hears what he wants to hear so It could be either way but while Daniel's talking it over with Amanda like oh he thinks I gave him a job

[00:48:59] we can have him clean the popcorn machine Johnny sells a car and this woman's praising Johnny for making her feel comfortable and so I think he's saying he's not aggressive like other salespeople so he's practicing the non-aggressive Miyagi Do-Way which by the way Daniel's saying

[00:49:15] that the Miyagi Do-Way can help you become more centered person I'm like Daniel's not very centered sometimes but he's centered He can stand to practice sometimes Yeah But he's centered enough You think Johnny's gonna make a good car salesman? Well here's the thing, let me go

[00:49:32] So first Daniel's centered enough that he has the successful dealership and a beautiful awesome wife and these kids but yeah he's pretty aggro sometimes but Johnny, yeah like that was my question you know when I saw this where he seems to have sold this car

[00:49:47] and she says she's gonna bring her whole family because of how great he was I was like is it gonna be that he like offered it to her for 50% off or something you know that's the feeling I was getting and I'm still not convinced that didn't happen

[00:50:01] I hope not but Like he didn't sell the car at a loss to the dealership? Yeah Like a huge loss That's hilarious, I hadn't thought about that I thought he could make a good car salesman I think that was the idea I think he could

[00:50:18] Because they gave him the job after that He can be a little goofy but I don't think he's dumb you know I think he's smart but I think he gets in his own ways sometimes but I think he's trying to learn anyway

[00:50:32] He can put on a little bit of a filter So now we have a new situation with him working at the auto shop which should make for some fun storytelling and maybe it will give him enough money that he can get a house

[00:50:49] but they also set it up He said if we win the Sakai, Taikai doors will be flying open for all of us him and Miguel and Rob because they're looking at colleges and so that makes this tournament have higher stakes

[00:51:01] you know he said we can get sponsors and more students for our karate So I just still I feel like this is leading up to him being the head of Cobra Kai again and turning its reputation around and having they win the tournament

[00:51:16] and you know this show throws curveballs but maybe I just want it to be that That's what I want it to be Yeah See my first thought was oh no now Daniel and Johnny are working together that's just another like potential wrench

[00:51:33] that could be thrown into the relationship you know because but I don't want to see him break up so it's like oh I might go that way too so I'm hoping just for more comedic between the two I mean they're always going to

[00:51:50] I think in some small ways bad heads just a little bit just because they're Johnny and Daniel but I you know I feel I feel like they're firmly more on like we're we're friends and allies and working together versus like having like that rivalry that we started with

[00:52:11] you know in season one that's my hope anyway I mean I don't want to see him like go back to the way they were enough conflict to make it fun just enough friction to make it fun enough to make it interesting I like how Amanda was like

[00:52:25] what do you think is in the briefcase that's the important question well let me say I want to jump in and junk mail I think he's got his I think he's got his headband in there too some 80s like Iron Eagle VHS tape or something some yeah like

[00:52:45] little wallet sized pictures of himself because that tape of like you know some metal band or something yeah alright what else got another point Reema just a light one and it is it is a Johnny centric and a little chosen to

[00:53:07] some of the things that I like so I like seeing this side of Johnny because he's gotten to be a little bit more responsible he's thinking of his family and what's good for them and wanting the best for them different than what we saw very early on

[00:53:23] but he still maintains he's still Johnny but he's just more responsible and thinks of others than just himself so yeah he's trying and I loved the pairing up of chosen and Johnny I think when you get those two together you're gonna have a good laugh I think they're

[00:53:43] you see the two of them together and for me it's good fun and funny I love when chosen was hyping Johnny up in front of that asshole real estate guy and he introduces himself he's like he says well he represents select clientele only and introduces Johnny as

[00:54:01] like an entrepreneur of an up and coming you know business in the valley so I thought that was all you know good fun I liked when Johnny showed up the car dealership you know because he's I think he did misinterpret it

[00:54:17] I don't know I'm like Daniel did not offer you a job how did you get to that thought right to just show up and be like I'm ready for my first day of work but he's Johnny and he you know that's just him

[00:54:29] I think it would have been nice though because we didn't get a whole lot of Robbie I think it would have been nice so to see Robbie helping Johnny get ready maybe like with a suit or talking to him about giving him some tips or whatever about

[00:54:43] Larousseau dealership because he used to work there you know it would have been cool if he'd given him some you know tips or notes and or something like that you know because I really want to see more of their relationship develop too it was nice in the beginning

[00:55:01] when he was encouraging them about college and you know when this tournament and I think if the problem if they would have shown him with Robbie then you wouldn't get that surprise of him showing up expecting a job well that's true there's that surprise element for sure

[00:55:17] where he shows up out of nowhere but you know I just thought well it'd be nice at least have maybe some other scene then of you know just that relationship I really am hopeful for that continued building of their relationship they've you know for so

[00:55:33] long in this whole series you know there's been such friction between them and I like how seeing them all together is like this blended family was just so nice and they're all getting excited about the future and the way that these characters have been antagonist, Hawk was

[00:55:53] an antagonist for a while when he like that flashback where he saw him brutally beating Brux and Robbie too and both Robbie and Hawk when they're on the good guy's side and they're nice I like them so much more it's so much easier to watch them on screen

[00:56:09] more of a pleasure you know Robbie in particular like and he got rid of that goofy haircut he's just so much better that was something I could not know I know I could not stop talking about that dumb haircut that's a world of difference

[00:56:25] I hadn't thought about that remember about Robbie he wasn't in it just at the very beginning when they were when Miguel was reading his essay or whatever it was for his application because he's not going to college well he was like well not like I'm gonna be applying

[00:56:41] anywhere so it doesn't matter if what you say about me in this essay because I'm gonna be doing that which makes you wonder what because I'm guessing Miguel will end up at Stanford right Robbie I don't know but I feel like they're gonna give

[00:56:55] some good endings to all these characters or at least jumping off points for whatever Robbie could go to MIT right maybe Robbie will go to Stanford learn how to fix dishwashers Miguel would be a junkie or something come to think of it it was pretty dude centric huh

[00:57:15] yeah didn't see the girls and the women only made cameos there's so many characters in this series it's like they've got a I feel like they're trying to give everybody some screen time well I mean I'm only two episodes in so I don't know if that's true

[00:57:31] with the rest of what we'll see but it's like you have such a big cast and everyone's gotta have stories and we've gotta get them in the right direction to get to whatever ending is it's gonna be at the end you know

[00:57:45] I feel like some folks get a little little less time than what they should because they've got so many other people to wrap up or then we'd go back to every episode would be like the last episode the first one where they had to cram everybody

[00:57:59] into it exactly like I think I prefer with shows that have big casts like The Walking Dead that they have at least some episodes just focus on a few characters so we can go deeper with them you know and we'll get to Robby I'm

[00:58:13] sure we'll get to that we'll get to everybody I think oh totally yeah it was a bro episode man alright what else Rich you got anymore well we keep talking about Johnny and his you know the importance of the tournament and how he keeps referring back

[00:58:33] everything's gonna change we're gonna get sponsorships we're gonna get more students it's gonna be great but I'm like thinking this whole time but that's if you win right yeah he just presumes yeah I was like you're kind of assuming that you're gonna win plus it's like

[00:58:49] Johnny he's doing that for every season putting all his eggs in one basket I guess if you want to win big you gotta play big right you gotta bet big yep but I was glad a couple of little tiny things I was glad to see

[00:59:05] that Miguel was interested in community college because I think community college is a great idea and I promote community college get those pesky prerequisites out of the way right that said I thought Gary from college of the valley's safety school was very well cast it's like hey fam

[00:59:25] you bros looking to post up at college a little closer to home or what's the word but kids really do say that stuff it's funny Johnny he tells Amanda and Daniel to throw the air mattress in his car when he comes over to do a drop in

[00:59:43] and is like what the hell is a drop in and then he outfors chosen to drink you guys go put that in the car yeah he's like I'm gonna get myself a sandwich does anybody else want anything Dr. Pepper I love that he just

[00:59:59] helps himself and I'll get one of those Pemberg jelly sandwiches and a drink and like Kramer in your house yeah I don't know it's a fine line between being I don't know a lovable and almost toxic masculinity sort of thing you know yeah

[01:00:17] that's a fine line there too he really rides that line the uh real estate agent pointed out to his minivan was like is that your car he's so proud of this car never heard it's gonna know who's king yeah early odds minivan

[01:00:35] uh oh and then the other thing too that I thought was pretty funny um Johnny when he was talking to the second the second time he encountered the realtor and that in his fan the kid came up that was the fan oh what a kid

[01:00:47] that saw him in the 83 tournament was like is Johnny is Johnny from the tournament and then he's like yeah did you catch the 84 by any chance and he was like no I missed that one and he cut a size like oh god because we know he won 82 and 83

[01:01:05] and yeah 84 was the year of Daniel Daniel kicked his butt so that was pretty funny uh yeah I don't I don't know Johnny doesn't I mean even when Daniel suggested he gets a nine to five he had to look on his face like are you serious

[01:01:23] I don't know does he ever had a nine to five I don't think so but I think he's he accepted that he needs to now I'm hoping so because yeah because after a lifetime of not working he's suddenly gonna have to work I just think it's funny

[01:01:37] that he's like oh my god I don't have any money I don't know what to do and it's like from the whole universe is telling him you need to get a job dude yeah the gig work because he was working as like a handyman and did like gig

[01:01:53] work and you know wasn't as structured as like a nine to five and probably not super steady yeah of an income uh and then we saw you know struggling like with Cobra Kai at least in the beginning you know trying to get

[01:02:07] kids like pay their dues they could pay the bills and all that stuff he didn't realize like maybe he should have talked about it with Daniel about whether this was a paid job teaching karate he didn't realize that he wasn't gonna be getting paid for that

[01:02:21] we're kind of in a forced perspective here too about it's all Johnny centric about how he's changing and embracing the Miyagi do way of life because we don't get any feed feed in or feedback from from his his girlfriend and her mom you know they're

[01:02:35] they're kind of left out of it you gotta wonder how much they're influencing money's at home you know it's like Johnny you need to get a job kind of stuff you know but they're they're left out of it so we get to watch Johnny

[01:02:45] on his journey I can appreciate that that's pretty cool yeah I mean they had a little bit of that conversation like when Miguel catch hears them over here's them in the hall when his mom's like you know well you know what are we gonna do

[01:02:59] this is you know we can't stay here and definitely we're down a bedroom and there's a baby on the way and Miguel wants to go to you know Stanford and you know how are we gonna afford that and so you can hear like those motivations

[01:03:13] for Johnny and I'm glad I'm glad he picked up on it like he wasn't just like over his head and ignored it like he took it in yeah I think for us it's hard not to but for Johnny he needs them to spell it out for him right

[01:03:29] yeah well I think that's part of the improvement of you know that growth of you know Johnny's character over you know these last several seasons you know it's taking some time but you know he is it is actually starting to get through to him yeah it's cool

[01:03:47] I hope though I mean I'm proud of him for being responsible I'm glad he didn't punch someone in the face episode I'm glad he had restraint but I don't want him to lose his edge like I still want him to be at the core

[01:03:59] Johnny but you know just a more evolved oh my god that's something to think about what if he becomes all soft and gooey before the turn I don't I hope not I know no way never would alright my turn I'm not gonna no I'm good

[01:04:17] okay I had a few funny ones we've already talked about most of them but um I feel like it's worth reading when he's talking about yeah I'll have my gaudy eagle fang van out there to let everyone know who's the new king in the neighborhood

[01:04:35] okay so it would just be you oh hell no if it was just me I'd be in the car no there's my girl haven't made it on a swimming area but as soon as I can afford to ring bam you know what I'm saying

[01:04:49] she's knocked up so baby makes three and there's our boys and then Rosa she's a sweet Ecuadorian lady likes to smoke weed all day you're gonna love her my client is looking for someone more stable who are you calling unstable

[01:05:01] I'll knock that dumb haircut right off your stupid face show you how unstable I am I mean what it was dumb chosen like well it was dumb it was dumb it was a dumb haircut but it's not believable that anyone would talk would be dumb enough honestly

[01:05:21] to talk to the milltor this way but it's funny so it's all good in my opinion you probably never talked to a realtor before either yeah but still the milltor was an asshole pretty unbelievable that he would speak to you know it should be clear that they want

[01:05:41] someone who's not living by the sea to their pants even when you're there about a money thing you know I mean to be fair I wouldn't want Johnny moving next door to me not if he's a realtor was kind of a weed in the mouth for us

[01:05:57] yeah when Johnny asks for the same pay as chosen and Daniel says chosen doesn't get paid Johnny says so you're just using free immigrant labor that's a scumbag movie even for a car dealer that's right that's really funny I just throw that even for a car dealer

[01:06:17] that's what he thinks of Daniel I had a few I think we've already covered all the other ones so like I said that good friction if you're working together there's going to be that little fun ribbing back and forth you know yeah what's going to happen when he

[01:06:35] tries to sell someone a car and they reject him you know flip out what if he punches the car he'll take a few deep breaths and do the Miyagiido balancing thing so do we have any notes Rima we have talked about all of my notes rich?

[01:06:53] yeah we did a good job okay I had a couple so this homeowner guy who moonwalked to class every day he says remember Dutch? Dutch was so freaking cool Johnny's like yeah he's in prison oh cool dude but that's one of the things

[01:07:13] I think me and maybe one or both of you said we wanted to see was a Dutch cameo because Dutch is the only original Kobukai guy that we haven't seen yet and I'm hoping they bothered to mention him to remind us of him because

[01:07:29] he's not at least a cameo or something I don't know why I mentioned him otherwise you know right that's a good point it could go either way it could be dropping his name because there will be in the future or it's a goodbye to the future maybe

[01:07:49] but I don't know if they bother I mean you're right obviously but I'm leaning towards it being what I hope it is because I don't know if they'd bother to mention him before in the series I've had a few times whenever they do that I think about

[01:08:03] some of the other cameos do you think we'll see Barnes again? he pretty much disappeared I do think we'll see him again because he was in the family kind of hope so I liked his character he's a little squirrelly but I like him I think we'll see Barnes

[01:08:19] Daniel said to Johnny I'm not saying it's gonna be no pay forever but I think I'll see him again in the Sakai Taikai suggesting they'll start making money but didn't he tell Amanda that he would retire from teaching karate after the tournament? so what is the plan?

[01:08:41] is he kind of like yeah I'm going to retire but I don't really want to or it's a bit confusing he wants to be a silent investor maybe that's it make some money music music alright listen to feedback so first one is from Mike says

[01:09:11] still on a sign of Julie Pierce in Dutch but Dutch got a name check this episode ah yeah he did uh, Owain Griffiths says Johnny Crease is back baby one of the things I enjoyed previously here were his flashbacks in the war being trapped etc

[01:09:31] feel his character has certainly been fleshed out he killed a snake but could the head of the snake and two more shall appear oh bite the head off a snake and two more shall appear quote from Captain America that I think he needs to keep in mind

[01:09:45] when trusting his new partners in karate crime my final point is just a general one this show makes me feel in ways that no other can I feel pure joy and sadness I've had goosebumps during karate battles and shed happy tears when Hawk won his all valley

[01:09:59] all in all it is simply my favorite series maybe ever and it's cheesiness merely adds to the joy keep up the good work and Jason don't get kicked that's so well said Owain I love it I feel the same way

[01:10:17] I've said many times this is my favorite show to podcast on and it's such a goofy show but it's so fun yeah yep all right Jim Pete says Dutch truly is the only other cameo I need doesn't seem likely but would love it

[01:10:35] the Dutch actor Chad McQueen has been pretty against a return to acting I know he's had some health problems over the years stemming from a 2007 accident and in 2022 had a blood clot that he was recovering from fully recovered and probably kept him from showing up if that was

[01:10:49] even an option his daughter even posted in 2022 that he wouldn't return to Cobra Kai both on his Instagram and hers what's funny is that at some point in the last year those posts were taken down love Dutch because it looked badass

[01:11:05] I always thought a natural follow up would have been Dutch taking over Johnny spot my love for Steve McQueen has just transferred to Chad we'll see I think just the fact that they took it down could be telling I don't know must have been

[01:11:21] must have got the offer maybe all right couple of calls here's Steve Brown hello Cobra Kai cast this is Steve and this is going to be for season 6 episode 2 the prize oh so this is a flashback to the original training of Silver and Johnny huh or Chris

[01:11:43] Chris is named John also little girl got some chop center uh oh and now grandpa is showing her why he's the master okay so is Chris in Korea I guess cause he said my memory is here how many original students they need to

[01:11:59] compete under the banner of Cobra Kai at the Saekai Taekai oh he said prize it's close enough for a mic drop the master cam I mean nice to see Kyler and Brux are doing well for themselves huh this is a lot with Chris and his quest

[01:12:15] to find this knife is interesting it's a different storytelling thing than they've done before okay and now he's been bitten by a Cobra oh this Cobra bite is giving uh Chris a little bit of PTSD flashback the young Terry Silver oh he had to break Vision Johnny's neck

[01:12:31] to break the what that's sick eating the popcorn off the floor dude now we have a karate frat brawl love it I'll real talk between Johnny and Danny about this uh his finances cause he can't just pay him money then while back at the snake cave

[01:12:51] Midwest industrial trading not Massachusetts Institute of Technology things are looking up Kyler so you're getting into another house here it was they both said the prize both master Kim and John Chris title of the episode mic drops whoo Chris killed the Cobra alright episode three coming up

[01:13:09] that's a good question how many original Cobra Kai because that and that also makes me think of another thing I'm not totally clear on I thought that Johnny and Terry Silver John Chris sorry when they started Cobra Kai that that's they came up with a name

[01:13:25] and that you know this guy some son young Kim no Kim son young had taught the way of the fist but I didn't know for sure if they were called Cobra Kai back in Korea but the way that Chris makes

[01:13:39] it sound he's saying I want you to take Cobra Kai to the tournament is that they are Cobra Kai back there too I guess yeah I mean I made that assumption what does Kai mean I get the Cobra is Kai like a surname or something I don't

[01:13:55] that means cute I don't know Cobra cute no Cobra cute no I don't know what it means I think I looked at it's no mercy one time but I forgot alright thanks Steve here's Mike Caruso Konichiwa Jason Reiman Richard season 6 episode 2 the prize of Cobra Kai another

[01:14:15] excellent episode of Cobra Kai what can I say I freaking love this show I thought for a second there with Johnny we were going to find out that he sold the car for like 5 to 10 K yes sticker price or something I don't

[01:14:27] think that could be laying out also how the hell did Chris deal with the snake are we going to find out that it was a crock of shit and he cheated it somehow I really wouldn't be surprised if that was the case but anyway

[01:14:39] last week I mentioned the music of the show and I just wanted to touch on that again because like I said it's underrated and because Johnny's motif finally played in this episode so Johnny's motif is actually a song called ace degenerate I recommend

[01:14:57] you look it up on YouTube by the way you'll find the track if you just want to hear it's like a you know a minute and a half to two minute track or something it's pretty short and also you can find like a clip of William Zabka

[01:15:09] sitting in with some band and playing it so it's kind of cool but anyway it's played at the very beginning of the show season one episode one the episodes called ace degenerate and we just saw the flashbacks from the first karate kid movie of

[01:15:25] Johnny losing it cuts to Johnny waking up presumably hungover in his apartment oh nice so that he played it can picture him making his fried baloney breakfast so yeah it plays a bunch more often around important character beats for Johnny and there was one

[01:16:03] that's really stuck out to me along Johnny's journey that I was able to go back and find pretty easily it's from season four episode two first learn stand and Johnny is learning some of the Miyagi dough technique from Daniel specifically he's painting side to side on the house

[01:16:21] he gets sick of it he says you know this is boring this defense crap I want to learn offense and Daniel chops the beer bottle out of his hand and he kind of starts to take Daniel more seriously and head back to the wall remember side side

[01:16:41] and then finally we got it in this episode and it's during the scene where Johnny and chosen are scoping out the second house and do with the fro comes up and he's like I don't mind that guy over there and basically Johnny figures out

[01:16:58] that he has a shot with this dude of getting a house hell yeah John Lawrence John Lawrence see good comma and that is the ace degenerate Johnny motif you can pretty much track that through the whole series it follows Johnny I always

[01:17:26] love hearing it and I hope we hear a few more ace degenerates before the series is over we will I freakin love Johnny sorry about another three and a half minute clip this week you guys I'm just super stoked about the series and I can't wait to see

[01:17:40] what we get out of these next three episodes I promise I'll try to go a little shorter next week stay badass Mike that was awesome dude I was I love the enthusiasm yeah as you were talking I was like

[01:17:54] looking it up on YouTube because I was going to play and then you kicked in with it that was amazing yeah if you want to do more stuff like that find other themes or something you can go up to five minutes yeah just kidding that was great Mike

[01:18:10] and you made me think of something and else too that his thing is called ace degenerate and that's from a line in karate kid when I think it's when they Cobra Kai first ride up on their bikes and Johnny

[01:18:22] I mean Daniel and Ali are flirting on the beach with a soccer ball and they're like calling each other ace degenerates or something I forget the exact line but yeah ace degenerates we're going to make it work this year

[01:18:32] and they're just kind of kidding around that they're degenerates but Johnny did become a degenerate in his life so I think they really took that to heart when they were making the series and it follows them around everywhere he goes careful what you wish for hey uh

[01:18:52] uh Rima put in the chat what Kai means Kai simply refers to an organization that teaches karate and doesn't have anything to do with the style or philosophy oh that's cool Cobra Karate that makes sense that's what I'm here for I

[01:19:12] never think to look stuff up while we're talking I always do it afterwards and I'm like I should have said that in the podcast yeah you can look stuff up on the fly alright so we had a couple submissions for

[01:19:26] the first episode of the season that came in late so we're going to go through those Rima yeah so Damien writes in for the first episode of the season and says welcome back Cobra Kai and welcome back to you all in your badass podcast wow thanks

[01:19:44] for a show that mostly deals with conflict and resolution I thought episode one peace time in the valley had to still work in a little bit or in a little of both and was successful doing so even though the theme of the episode was

[01:19:58] that it's a time of peace all the kids are training under the Miyagi Fang flag but not all grudges are buried seems a little out of sorts trying to be one of the good kids happy Johnny isn't interested in restarting Cobra Kai Dojo with Sting Ray Sean

[01:20:14] seemed to be steering Kenny in the right direction which is good for Kenny I was always rooting for him my lol moment was the reveal of Mr Miyagi as a karate vampire yeah so bad looking forward to your coverage of the final season thanks Damien

[01:20:32] I don't know I'll have to look at that picture again it might be cool if you look at it closely yeah could be a good background Miyagi Kai alright we got one more call it's a Steve Brown sandwich Steve Brown okay hello Cobra Kai cast

[01:20:53] this is Steve and I just started watching season 6 episode 1 and man the RO Speedwagon roll with the changes man that song rocks I wasn't going to do a live Steve of these first couple episodes but maybe I will because of course everything is way too good

[01:21:09] something's got to happen to derail this happiness oh I hope that statement no more heel turns is not a foreshadowing statement great now I need to buy a new hoodie Miyagi Fang karate okay so we still have rivalries within the dojo chosen and Johnny the two girls

[01:21:25] what story and what is their name and then of course yeah all the other internal struggles alright character names are escaping me at the moment Johnny gets a cryptic text and it might be crease maybe not call them mercels that's an interesting homage Kenny and Johnny's son

[01:21:41] where Johnny's son jumped in front of the video game just like Daniel did and was it the first karate kid movie but of course it doesn't turn out the same way because Kenny's brother Sean is out oh Miguel just punched

[01:21:53] that baseball when it came out of the shoot yes Ding Ray Ridge does not age well so it makes sense that Johnny would start back Cobra Kai with Stingray because I mean the show is called Cobra Kai okay so maybe Johnny

[01:22:07] is gonna compromise and join Miyagi do I don't know but now they're gonna fight is this gonna be like in the Rocky 4 or Rocky 3 okay so Miyagi do is unified but John creases back and Cobra Kai is back so I guess we'll see right on

[01:22:25] alright that is our show thanks so much for listening everybody that was a lot of fun I'm about shot and a half a whiskey in totally jet lagged so it's like 3.30 am for me right now that's right he just got back super fun it's past my bedtime

[01:22:50] come on guys the best part about this is we get to go watch episode 3 right now which is called sleeper Lisa's not downer if you want to write it in or send us a voice message about it you can find all our contact information at podcastica.com

[01:23:12] and while you're there please check out our other podcasts you guessed it on dragoncast how was that I did it was it was good to be back it was like wow I used to do this so it felt a little more in for a hot minute but

[01:23:34] Renny and Veronica are fantastic so I was honored to step in for Wendy while she was on vacation for that week that was great yeah enjoying the show and you know that was all good got one more episode right? two more they just did six okay

[01:23:52] cool they only have eight this season which stinks I know and then Lucy who's my co-host for the walking dead rewatch on the cast of us she started a podcast with her partner Peter on the Bayer called let it rip which is really fun they're doing

[01:24:08] some cool things on there they're talking about the show but they also have a cooking segment each episode where they record themselves cooking something and edit it together it's been pretty neat alright that's our show thanks for listening yeah man does the Pope ship with a funny hat

[01:24:26] whoop whoop it was a bro episode man