8: “Can We Be Honest?” & “We’ll Find a Way” (S3E7&8)

[00:00:32] The Truth About Ted, and then yeah we went through a rough patch where you threatened to shoot me and then you killed Steve. But you were honest. And look at us now. Forget your troubles, come on get happy, you gotta chase all your cares away.

[00:00:46] Shout out to the little girl, come on get happy, get ready for a different thing. Hello everybody, welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason. I'm Jade. And I'm Penny. And this is Dead to Us, a podcast dedicated to the Netflix show Dead to Me.

[00:01:08] That's right, grab your floppy house hat and slip into your favorite pawn show and get ready to talk about episodes 7 and 8. Can we be honest and we'll find a way? And I have to say guys, I gotta call out the director as Rebecca Asher on both of these.

[00:01:23] And the writers for episode 7 is Harris, Danow and Celeste Huey. And episode 8 is Elizabeth Benjamin and Jackie Rivera. I have to call these people out because I loved these two episodes with such a fiery passion.

[00:01:37] I just have to like say who was the team, the unsung heroes of this because seriously, I don't think that the director and the writers get talked about enough on this show because they're doing such a phenomenal job. I am always in awe of really good writing.

[00:01:57] I think it's so important and I think really bad writing can kill a show that otherwise has everything great about it, including acting, cinematography and everything else if the writing is bad. It's hard to save, you know. And this show has everything good.

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[00:05:10] No, that's what I'm saying. I'm like, I don't want to see it unless it's got the five stars because you know, we love what we do. We put in a lot of effort because we love it.

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[00:05:30] Okay, sure. The cheese stands alone there, Jason. I don't want to hate you. So I'm a Judy. I can't take it. All about the love. I actually wouldn't mind that either. Yeah, of course you wouldn't. Weirdos. Okay, fine. You can hate on Jason and Panini.

[00:05:47] I want honesty. That's what I want. Honesty. I want to know how to do things. Yeah, okay. All right. I like constructive criticism. If you have any constructive criticism, always welcome. But don't just hate the same. Five star views. Strong reaction. That would be great. Yeah.

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[00:06:13] Yeah, if you're writing in, we love like we have had some people write in, hey, you guys made fun of this. What about that? There's one in this actual episode that we'll get to later. I like that too. It gives us something to talk about.

[00:06:25] But anyway, let's get into this week's episode dead to me season three episode seven and eight. Can we be honest and we will find a way. Oh, so good in general. These unlike the last two episodes, which were very emotional and heavy and all about relationships.

[00:06:45] These were very plot heavy, right? There was a lot that happened. Yeah. There was it moved forward the story on all the different fronts. They were tight. I was kind of amazed. I was like halfway through episode seven.

[00:06:59] And I was like this can't be an only a half hour episode like so much. It has happened. Yeah. And then it was like I was like there's 15 more minutes. Like it was they were densely packed and there was a lot of like fun dialogue

[00:07:17] and some some cute moments with some of our favorite characters. I thought they were great. I didn't care. I love I didn't cry like I did last time, but I really enjoyed them. How about you guys? Karen came back and showed some new colors, which is really interesting.

[00:07:35] I was so happy. I was so happy to see Karen because I was wondering actually right after we had finished recording last week, I was like, where is Karen? And then I started to get deeply concerned. Are you not going to see? Yeah.

[00:07:48] I'm like, will she not be here? Like, oh, could they not get, you know, was that actress busy or something? I was so glad when she came back. They like to keep all their characters and bring them back in except for

[00:07:57] that one dude I didn't care about from season one. I actually can't even remember his name. I know me neither. Okay, what about you? I mean, Jade, you loved it, but what else do you want to say in general?

[00:08:11] I will say I was thinking that I might actually like episode eight from this season more than my favorite episode, which was episode seven of season two. I was wondering, I'm like, do I like this more?

[00:08:25] And then I went back and last night I rewatched my favorite episode, the arcade episode. I don't know if you guys are talking about episode seven from season two. It's a great episode. That was the most feel good episode of this show ever.

[00:08:37] It was and that's the reason. Okay, season one is my favorite season as a whole. Season two has my favorite standalone episode in it, which was episode seven. And of this season, I think that these two episodes kind of as a

[00:08:52] conjunctive like thing as like a unit, these two episodes really gave me the, ooh, ah, yes. Like it gave me all kinds of like happy vibes, but I'm never going to be able to say that I like an episode more than episode seven of season two

[00:09:11] because it truly was, it was Michelle and Judy. It was Ben and Jen. It was the kids. It was our characters that I love so much being so happy. And that I'm never going to love anything more than that. I don't think I could ever say anything.

[00:09:29] An episode like that works so well because of how the up can't work well without the downs, you know what I mean? Exactly. Because they're struggling all the time and not meeting, not making those connections and, you know, having a lot of tragedy

[00:09:48] so that when they finally do it's such a relief. And by that point in season two, we have come to love these people. We've been through it with them, with the lying, the cheating, the going behind each other's back.

[00:10:00] You know, we've seen it all at that point and it's like finally just some, oh thank you for letting us have this moment before shit goes off the rails again in like the ending of season two. Yeah.

[00:10:13] But it was the perfect little respite moment that we just needed after all of season one laying all that groundwork and getting us to really fall in love with these characters. I don't think I'm ever going to be able to say I love anything

[00:10:25] as much from season three, not that I don't love it because goddamn these episodes and this season is, it's just such a fucking good show. This is one of my favorite shows. It's probably in the top three of my favorite shows ever of all time.

[00:10:41] I don't know if anyone's ever going to top this show. Yeah. Like I'm putting it way up there right now. It's just climbing the ranks for me. Yeah. I love it too. I didn't know I was going to do every episode. I was gone last week,

[00:10:56] but I didn't know I was going to do as many episodes of this podcast, but I did because. You can't not so much. Yeah. It's just good. Yeah, I absolutely. Yeah. And the writing. It's like you can't, you can't not.

[00:11:08] But what I was going to say is that I don't know if I can ever fully like love season three because Judy has cancer and I hate that. I hate it. Yeah. I hate the weight of it because it dampens my enjoyment. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:11:22] There's a lot of heaviness in season three, but it's and it's also the end right? So there's like there's things that happen when a show comes to an end that are never going to be as satisfying as it is

[00:11:32] in the middle because they have to close things off and end things. Right. It's just never you don't get that same feeling like you got it. We got at 2.7 where it was like the possibilities and the growth and changing. Like now things are getting smaller.

[00:11:46] And I hope it all gets tied up in a nice. I don't agree with that. Bow, but like I think if you really land a show well, that can be amazing. Walking Dead just did. I felt like that was one of the better episodes of the

[00:12:00] whole series, the finale of that show. I know not everyone agreed. Episodes leading up to it were like just that. Anyway, I mean, I always think about Six Feet Under, which that episode just blurred me. That ending, it was fucking incredible. Best end.

[00:12:20] I know what the ending is. Yeah. I know what the ending is. Even though I don't think I ever watched the full episode, I know how it ends and that was such an epic kind of a. It made me cry. Hard. Doria. Yeah. It built into this huge.

[00:12:38] But anyway, the point is I don't think it's what Penny said. It's not getting smaller for me, but it's like because there's no hope like there was at the end of season two. Yeah. There's this dark cloud of cancer that is just hurting me

[00:12:53] because I love Judy and I identify with Judy. It's a bummer. Every time I have a moment of enjoyment, I'm in her shoes. Honestly, Ben's alcoholism too is a real bummer. You really want to root for Ben and then you're like, you're a mess.

[00:13:10] For me, I appreciate sometimes when something, I mean, we don't know how this is going to end, but it's not looking good. And I don't always need a happy ending. No, I don't either. I hate happy ending actually. It like bothers me when things are too happy.

[00:13:29] So I'm like, I like realism seems like it's going to be a real unhappy ending. But I don't like death. I don't like Judy dying. I don't like that idea of maybe this is going to happen.

[00:13:40] Yeah, and I'm not trying to talk you out of your point of view, but what my point of view is that I'm loving it. I think it's a cancer thing. I have such an aversion to it. Last couple episodes were maybe my two favorite episodes

[00:13:51] of the series and I didn't fucking get the podcast on it. I know which is so unfortunate. I really, really love those even though it's so heartbreaking. So these episodes in general, I am getting kind of tired of all the guilt and the lies and the impending doom

[00:14:11] and it's getting to me. I don't know. I'm having a weird week so I might be part of it, but I've started watching these two episodes. I was kind of feeling like, oh man, I'm kind of glad this is almost over.

[00:14:25] Like everybody's lying to each other all the time and there's tragic, like you want people like Ben and Jen to be together, but they can't. And it's just like, oh, these guys are shit so much. I mean, it feels kind of soap opera-ish a little bit,

[00:14:41] but not really because that implies like cheap storytelling and this isn't at all, but they always manufacture situations where you want it. Well, it's melodrama, which is what I think you're reacting to is it's heightened. It's where you want people to connect and they can't

[00:14:56] because of some secret, you know? And they just keep doing that over and over again. Can I just say it? It's a note that I have, but I just got to say it right off the top because yes, there is a soap opera-y contrivance behind this.

[00:15:09] I can't tell them because they're not going to be able to handle it. And I'm just like, I hate this trope in shows. I hate it. I hate non-communication between characters. This is full of it. Yes, Jen is fucking full of it. Judy has her moments too, yes.

[00:15:25] But Jen is always like, oh no, they can't handle it. Oh no, don't tell the children. Oh no, hide this from this person because they will hate me forever. Surely. It's like you got to start giving people a little bit of credit, Jen.

[00:15:35] You got to start giving someone the benefit of the fucking doubt here because history backs you up. Judy, it's in a point that I have in there is like, Judy says we tit for tatted. Look at us. We're best friends now because we told each other the truth.

[00:15:54] Tell each other the truth. It's part of my favorite moment to die for. So I can jump in with that if you guys are ready for it because we're already there. I have two moments, sorry, I'm just like inviting myself to talk about my moments to die for.

[00:16:09] But I have two moments to die for. I'm taking them both because I am. So one is with Judy and one is with Jen. So yes, Judy says we're best friends because we tell each other the truth, right? And then Jen.

[00:16:22] Okay, now I guess I can't look at this little Judy face and not tell her that I'm pregnant. Thank God, I was so glad when she told her. It wasn't cute. What a relief. I was not enjoying.

[00:16:33] Yeah, because the pregnancy thing with Judy, it do her this courtesy man. You owe her that. The world owes her. Throw her a bone. It's like, oh. Plus how much longer could she have hidden it anyway? Well, yeah, right? Four and a half months in Jesus. Bigger poncho.

[00:16:50] Oh, the poncho. And then so the moment I died was when it scared me. I went like, it was like a, these two episodes are very thrillery, which I really loved.

[00:17:02] They were very suspenseful and I think a lot of that is down to the cinematography in the direction and the way it's filmed. I really was digging it. And so she drops into the pool and it scared me and Linda Cardellini wins my Emmy.

[00:17:17] She has my heart Emmy so hardcore. So that she screams underwater and it was brilliant. I got the chills. It was so good. And she has this flashback, which I have a question. Am I an idiot?

[00:17:31] Is it explicitly said that Judy miscarried after the car accident like as a direct result of the car accident? That was implied. Right? This flashback but never before. Yeah. Right. Okay. And we saw another scene of flashback. Yeah.

[00:17:49] I think Steve was pointing at her stomach and saying something about the baby. Yeah. About the baby. And Ben said something like, oh, you know, you're going to be a jerk to this kid too. And point that. Right. Yeah.

[00:18:03] And then he pushes Judy and he's like, don't touch her man. And I was like, whoa. Okay. So it was not implied until now. It's like so subtle. Yeah. And I would have put the same scene of her in the hospital that we've seen before. Right after.

[00:18:17] But now they revealed, probably retconned, but revealed that that happened right after. Right. Right. Okay. So that was cool. I really, so that moment was brilliant chilling amazing. And then my moment that I also died equally, but in a happy way was when Jen was looking

[00:18:33] at the videos with the boys on the couch, throwing the smart food. It warms my heart. It warms my heart. In that scene, you could really see how much Luke, what's his last name? Rossler. Rossler has grown. Yeah. Because he's like taller than Charly. Yeah.

[00:18:51] And they were sitting next to each other. And I was like, oh, they've been doing a good job of. I thought it was popcorn. No. Yeah. It was popcorn. Oh, it was smart food.

[00:19:00] And did you guys call out, okay, is smart food and smart water owned by the same company because there is major smart food product placement in the show through the seasons now. This is the second time I think we've seen it.

[00:19:10] And we see a lot of smart water and I'm like, huh, smart food, smart water. I'm like, is it owned by the same company? I bet it is. So yeah, product placement. When I saw that scene, I thought it was popcorn, but I felt uptight because my

[00:19:24] thought was if my kids started doing that, I'd be like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. Don't do that. And then they were having so much fun and I'm like, oh, it's so sweet. Like maybe I need to loosen up around my kids a little bit sometimes.

[00:19:37] And I loved, I thought that too. I was like, oh, you're going to get, because smart food isn't just popcorn. It's like the cheesy kind of popcorn that like leaves the dust on your fingers. It's like cheese doodle popcorn, you know?

[00:19:48] So I was thinking that I'm like, that's dirty. Like that's going to get everywhere. But then I thought to myself, I love that Jen is this kind of mom. She's not concerned. I think that's new that Jen is this kind of mom.

[00:20:00] Oh no, I've seen Jen is this kind of mom. She listens to that like that angry music. She's a tough bitch. She's like fuck cleaning. Like, they probably have a cleaning lady. They probably have a cleaning lady. They have a huge house and Jen's like not the domesticated.

[00:20:16] How it could be kind of new because she's gotten more of an appreciation for. Oh no, they have a Judy. Judy cleans y'all. Hello. She's the housewife. But I think Judy has lightened her up and also Jen, you know, she has been doubting

[00:20:33] herself as a mother right over these past few seasons. She's keeps saying and in one of these episodes she had that conversation with Judy. Like I wasn't a good mother. Ted was the mother. I don't know what I'm doing and you know, Judy is comforting her.

[00:20:46] But I think she's trying. Right? She's been trying to connect with Charlie. She caved when Henry didn't want to sing his solo. She was like, let's go to the arcade. But I think that making a mess in the house is another level.

[00:21:01] Like most people would not do that. But I think she was like, fuck it. Like I might be arrested. Judy might die. Like I love my children and I'm going to show them right now. Like I think it's, I think she's changing compared to what's happening yet. Maybe.

[00:21:17] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I just loved it. She, when Charlie or no, Henry came out with a bloody nose. Charlie threw the iPad at me and she just goes, fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Her favorite word. I could tell. Yeah, I love the way she said it too.

[00:21:36] Upper fuck's sake. Fuck. Like, yeah. And I thought that was so random when that happened. I was like, what? He threw the iPad and then later he goes, I was throwing it to him. It's not my fault he has no reflexes. I was like, ha, because he wasn't.

[00:21:52] It's just so funny that like. Such a brother moment. Yeah. He was just tossing him something and then it hit him and he's like, mom, he threw it at me. He's like, I was tossing it to him. Jesus. He's like an uncoordinated nerd.

[00:22:03] That's exactly how that would have gone down in my childhood. I would have like accidentally hurt my brother and he would have been like, no. Yep. Me too. That did happen a lot. I was like, oh, get over it, you little wimp. Like. Yeah. Smack.

[00:22:19] What's your moment to die for, Penny? Well, it's a good segue because mine is the chorus of fucks that Jen gives after Perez tells her about the DNA evidence. It's like, it's like her I am Groot, right?

[00:22:34] She says fuck in like, I think it's like eight or nine different ways that she says it. And each time she says it, Perez goes, yeah, yeah. So it's like, fuck. Oh, yeah. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. She's killed me. I thought it was so Jen.

[00:22:51] And Perez is like, okay, seriously, can we stop now? Are you going to keep going? How long is this going to go on? Yeah. My moment to die for is when Judy's trying to convince Jen to tell Ben that she killed

[00:23:01] Steve and she's, what if we just told him the truth about everything? Don't you think he could forgive you? No, I absolutely don't think that. Well, you forgave him for the hit and run. Okay, this is not the same. You can't tit for tat that.

[00:23:13] We tit for tatted. I told you the truth about Ted and then yeah, we went through a rough patch when you threatened to shoot me and then you killed Steve, but you're honest. Look at us now. Sure. Sure. That was that thing where you killed Steve, but yeah.

[00:23:28] Oh man. Judy has come so far from being completely like shattered by Steve's death and like cuddling up to the freezer to being able to joke about it. It's kind of great. She's like that perspective. Yeah.

[00:23:43] But you guys, that moment though, it was just like I loved it. And at first I really, really laughed. But then the second time I watched it, I was like, oh, this is so this to me, that was like the dumbest line of the entire episode because you

[00:24:01] or no, it was actually the dumbest line ever was I can't tell him. No, he can't handle that. That would be like entrapment and yeah, that body and Judy's like, I don't think that that's I loved it too, but I loved it because it was oh God,

[00:24:16] you know, it was hilarious, but it was hilarious in the way that like, oh God, you know, because she's like, I don't think that's the meaning of the word in try. I don't think that's the way that you use that. No, it's not.

[00:24:27] That's not what that word means. No, and you're taking away someone's right, the right of a man to know that he has made a child like Jen. Totally wrong. You can't decide that for someone. Right. Stopping.

[00:24:41] The reason why I love that line is because she goes, I can't tell him that would be about the baby that would be entrapment and they're both like wait, entrapment with that. And they're kind of thinking about it. Yeah, yeah.

[00:24:51] And that's what everyone ever does whenever entrapment is mentioned. You start thinking, is that actually entrapment? Is it? It's usually talking about a crime and what entrapment is when you trick someone into committing a crime, that's what it is.

[00:25:03] But so this has absolutely nothing to do with entrapment. She's trying to say you feel trapped or obligated, but I just thought it was super funny for them to have that moment like we all do with that word. Yeah.

[00:25:14] It's just like Jen, are you using your brain, your little eyeballs because are you looking at this guy? His name is Ben and he loves children and he's like, Mr. fucking Rogers and Barney like combined into a human really hot man.

[00:25:29] Like he's going to be fine with it. I have to have sympathy for her because she would spend her entire life connected to this man constantly thinking about how she killed his brother. Yeah. It's not a normal circumstance.

[00:25:46] I can't judge her with the same way I would judge anybody else who didn't want to tell father about a pregnancy. Judy's point is she should tell him everything and then let him process. Judy says he has a right to know. Yeah. And that's true.

[00:26:04] And she says it will, it'll take a minute to process, but then maybe you guys can have a life together. Maybe this can be something and this is actually, thank you. You guys are making me think consider my own harsh

[00:26:15] opinions because yeah, maybe Jen is not ready herself. And that's the reason that she, because I can't imagine that this whole thing is going to end and she's not going to tell him. I mean if you're going to lose me some, if I'm going

[00:26:30] to lose Judy, if that's happening, please give me Jen Ben. Please give me this. Let them be together with their child of hope at the end. Please, please. If you're going to, Judy's not going to make it. I need this.

[00:26:45] So hopefully this is just a hurdle we have to get over and next episode I will be happy. I mean, I've been saying I think this ending is going to be sad, but there's going to be some hope and goodness too. There'll be some hope. So I'm sure.

[00:27:00] Also to defend Jen, she's only known that she was pregnant for like two days. Like. Thank you. Yes, thank you. Okay. Yeah, we forget about that. Yeah. Yeah. Why isn't Michelle testing Judy back and it was like a day and like, okay, chill out. Yeah. That's not ghosting.

[00:27:19] That's just taking some time. Yeah. Taking a little. Okay. Let's get into our points Jade would you like to go first? Okay. So my first point is called stupid ideas. So I'm just going to run down the list and then

[00:27:35] we can kind of dive in to them probably more throughout the episode. But okay. Judy being dumb. Okay. So I'm going to go ahead and head CT scan. Okay. At the start, she thinks she's healed. I'm pretty sure when she's jumping around in her

[00:27:49] kimono and she's like throwing oil for medication. Yeah. And this is what I thought last week when we were talking about when she released the crane, what that meant. And I to me on very first watch it signified that she's like, I'm healed. I'm going to be okay.

[00:28:04] And then the more we talked about it, I was like, oh maybe it doesn't mean that maybe it just means like she's accepting whatever happens and Judy thinks that she's giving herself this cloud of like delusion. Like I'm good. I'm good. If I think I'm good, I'm good.

[00:28:18] I feel good. I'm having a good up kind of couple of days. Like I think it worked. And then avoiding the CT scan altogether and suggesting let's go on a vacation to Steve's place in Mexico. Real smart. And then but yeah, she goes to the doctor

[00:28:37] and she gives her the seascape, which was funny because she says I don't do seascapes. And then she painted one. And so when she's in denial that she needs more treatment and she says she's not really an odds person. I don't believe in them.

[00:28:49] I'm like never a more Judy sentence was ever uttered in life. And then when she's losing her hair and she puts on the sun hat, it's just like there's Judy just covering up the problem can't out of sight out of mind, you know.

[00:29:01] And she says like what I don't know can't hurt me. I'm like rolling my eyes real hard. And then she's drinking a lot of wine this episode and she says I shouldn't be drinking either. And I'm like, yeah, you shouldn't. You got liver cancer girl.

[00:29:17] Like please stop Judy. She's killing me right now. Judy was hurting me. And then we have Jen being dumb. Wait, wait, wait. I want to say one thing about that. Oh yeah, go ahead and jump in. Just maybe a little bit of a.

[00:29:30] I have never been super close with someone who had cancer in the final stages. So but it seems like at some point maybe you would just go look, I think I'm going to die. So I'm going to enjoy my last days. So maybe that's like a counterpoint.

[00:29:50] And I predict that she will get to that point, but she hasn't gotten there yet. Right now she thinks I have had. She says it when when Jen is like, oh, I'm having a dry January. She's not going to drink the wine and

[00:30:02] then she says, yeah, I shouldn't be drinking either. But I've had two weeks, you know, no bad news. So I'm just going to ride that little delusional wave and wine helps with that. She knows she's drinking to pretend that everything is fine. Like when she suggested vacation

[00:30:18] and Jen was saying something about well, you know what the CT scan, you know, you might be bad and she goes, well, the better all the better to take a vacation first, you know. So yeah, which I think is understandable. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

[00:30:34] No, no, no, I'm not saying that stupid. No, no. I totally I totally forgot you're right. I'm not saying that it's stupid because she's trying to take the vacation to avoid the scan. I think that's reasonable. If I knew that I was going to have

[00:30:45] to go in for chemo, I would be like, I'll take a week and go lay out in the sun and enjoy my life and then go back in for chemo totally know what she's saying is that whole thing comes up in a moment where it's to avoid

[00:30:57] the cops. She's like, I can't. I'm like two seconds away from getting arrested here and you want to take a vacation like that would kind of be like fleeing during an we're involved in like an investigation, you know, and then two seconds later the FBI

[00:31:11] is knocking on their door like they know that they're suspected and so Judy goes, let's take a vacation and Jen's like, that's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. And I'm like, yeah. And she goes, or is it the smartest thing I've ever suggested?

[00:31:23] And I'm like, no, no, Judy, no, it's not not the smartest and Jen comes around. She's like, yeah, let's go to Mexico. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of left on decided in that moment, but yeah. Yeah, they're both kind of not. I mean, they can't

[00:31:40] Thelma and Louise it right because Jen has two kids like they can't just like and she says run. Yeah, because then she's asking Christopher if she can he can watch her kids so she can go on this trip, you know, but yeah, what else?

[00:31:59] So OK, so now Jen being dumb, not telling Ben the truth about anything because she's she is just deciding for him that he can't handle it and he'll never forgive me. What the fuck Jen like I just wanted to say like, haven't you ever heard like assuming makes

[00:32:15] an ass out of you and me? Jen, have you ever heard that? Do you think in part she's trying to also just protect herself from getting in trouble? Getting in trouble with Ben. Just in trouble in general. I mean, her life is complicated. Like, yeah.

[00:32:35] It's a bit of a risk to tell anyone that you murdered someone. Yeah, she's got Perez in her pocket at this point when she says that she has Perez on her side and Perez is going to have said like I'm we're in this together at this point.

[00:32:53] Like there we haven't gotten to the part of the episode yet where she says you're on your own. So at that point, I think that she's I don't know if she's it just seemed to me much more that she was not telling Ben because

[00:33:03] she doesn't think he can handle a being a father. He's an alcoholic which I get. I totally get you don't want to burden the guy but it's the same way that Judy I don't want to be a burden. I can't ask for help.

[00:33:15] These two women have the same problem only different in different ways. They don't ask for help because they think that they're not worth other people caring and they say, oh no, I'm going to hide this from someone because it'll just be easier

[00:33:27] for them not to know and they can't handle it if they did. You got to give people the benefit of the doubt. I don't want to repeat myself but yeah, yeah. So that it just annoys me and it's an annoying trope for me in a lot

[00:33:41] of shows and I said it at the beginning it's a soap opera kind of a thing it's a trick that is employed. It feels contrived. It's not even a plot twist. It's not even interesting. It's a contrivance and it pisses me off.

[00:33:57] I think it's a little airs on the side of laziness but that's me being real nitpicky because two seconds later, literally two seconds later this show is giving me so much amazingness that I'm like I don't care whatever you know if I want to harp on it

[00:34:09] I can but I'm getting off of it officially so then Judy looking up cervical cancer on the internet bad idea just don't do that and getting acupuncture by Kalea this is a stupid idea in my opinion this woman is terrifying when she's stuck

[00:34:25] a needle in her fucking head the top of her head and you hear it crunch in there I was like fuck dude and then Kalea goes well you signed up for this and I'm like bitch you I was like yeah why are you eating

[00:34:39] like I can understand if maybe you didn't know it was gonna hurt her but like she's the worst you signed up for this I was like oh I really want to get acupuncture again because acupuncture helped me in really tough times in my life and seriously people

[00:34:55] I hate the way that acupuncture is shown for comedic effect in television because it makes so many people not want to get acupuncture I'm telling you it does not hurt it is amazing it is life changing if you've ever thought about trying it

[00:35:07] I highly recommend looking into it I'm a little didn't get all Judy on you right now but acupuncture is amazing so but then she did she's like the most violent acupuncturist I've ever witnessed and it was hilarious and so cringy when she said you signed up for this

[00:35:23] I was like I wanted to smack her so hard and then okay and then Jen Jen Jen Jen woman she's in massive denial about Judy's cancer still we saw it with her telling her son last episode when he says is Jen Judy gonna be okay it's not

[00:35:41] gonna be another situation like grandma right like she's not gonna die she's gonna be okay and she goes yep she's gonna be fine don't you worry we're gonna know it you know medicine has come so far since grandma Judy's gonna be fine it's like you can't

[00:35:55] you gotta he's a kid you have to prepare him for the truth of what could happen that doesn't take a completely off guard to off guard yeah and he's not gonna trust you either after that you know yeah it's just setting so many things up for this

[00:36:11] I think it's a really realistic thing though I bet most people do that in that situation yeah and you you said that to me last episode and I'm thankful because I forget a lot of times I'm not a parent and I forget how hard

[00:36:23] it must be to walk that line with your kids I wouldn't do that I definitely wouldn't never either I know I would be the kind of parent to always tell my kid the truth yeah I mean my grandmother passed couple years ago of cancer actually

[00:36:39] and you know we told our kids she wasn't gonna be there for forever yeah it doesn't do anyone any favors and she's not doing herself a favor or Judy a favor in this episode because she says it's like to me there's a difference between positivity and just

[00:36:55] straight up denial and when Judy finally does come around to the fact that she might not as she says beat the odds Jen goes odds what do you mean odds I got pregnant at 47 the odds don't apply to us and it's like Jen let her have her moment

[00:37:09] of I might not make it because Judy is not usually the one who's in La La Land yeah right she's in like her Judy fantasy and so finally when she comes around Jen goes no no get that idea out of your

[00:37:23] head you're gonna be fine the odds don't apply don't believe in odds don't look up the facts and she's saying that because she wants Judy to help her raise her kids and not have to tell Ben so he can help so she's yeah living in this fantasy too

[00:37:37] see I'm like watching these two episodes and I'm like God these people under a lot of stress I have a lot of sympathy for Jen she's under so much stress she's terrified about getting arrested she's terrified about the pregnancy she's terrified about losing Judy

[00:37:57] and so she's lying to herself and she's also gotten into a mode where she is come on Judy we're gonna beat this thing so yeah when Judy is like I might not beat the odds Jen is still in we're gonna beat this thing and she she like

[00:38:13] doesn't realize that Judy needs to have that moment I think a lot of people have that whenever somebody comes to them and is like you know I'm depressed or I don't think I you know I think I'm gonna lose my job or whatever that the reaction

[00:38:27] for most people is no you won't or it's great or you'll be alright and I have I feel like the more stress Jen is under the more she's sort of putting on a brave face for Judy and once that cracks it's gonna completely crumble

[00:38:43] yeah and she doesn't want to crumble in front of Judy right now I get it it's not wise but it's understandable right yeah yeah you have to I think that before I went to rehab and therapy and I had a lot of time

[00:38:59] to think about things like this in my life I was one of those people who would always know everything's gonna be fine don't worry about that oh don't cry oh you're gonna feel better and I would go rush to make it better

[00:39:09] and then I realized I don't even like that when people do that with me no sometimes you just have to let someone be upset let someone cry it reminds me of like midnight club because there's so much cancer and and you know you are not

[00:39:21] gonna make it out of this kind of thing reminds me of one episode where one of the characters was saying I'm gonna die and one of the things I'm gonna miss is the new Nintendo coming out I'm never gonna get to play this game

[00:39:33] and I know it sounds dumb and it sounds trite and I should be thinking about bigger things that I'm gonna miss this is the thing that's pissing me off and I know it's petty and they're like no there's not that sucks like that that is your truth

[00:39:45] and you have to let someone have their truth be whatever it is so if it's I might not make it because they might not you gotta let them you can't just I don't know it'll be fine even though your intentions are in the right place

[00:39:59] it's important to let someone have their feeling and also yeah there's certain people like that who and maybe you were kind of like this before who just don't want to face that sometimes things suck they're just like no no no I can't go there I can't go there

[00:40:13] it was full denial maybe that's why it bothers me so much in Jen like I can't I'm like oh because this is I see myself it's a sign too that you're repressing and it's an insecurity within yourself yeah and like you know deep down that something's

[00:40:31] not good but you can't it's like we've talked about before about this wound that people have that they don't address and so it kind of runs them you know it's kind of like that where if you're just like no everything's

[00:40:43] fine everything's fine then you know there's a part in you that's like everything sucks you know yeah integrate all of that if you don't address it it's a thing that Jen is doing and she doesn't even notice she's doing it it's the Jen bottling of emotion or

[00:40:57] feeling at all until it all comes out with it's because I really don't believe that everything's gonna be okay it's because and that's what it is everything that's annoying me about Jen right now is all coming from her inability to deal

[00:41:09] with it her inability to tell the truth to herself because she is deeply insecure about something and I yeah I and it's because I know what that is to be that person I I struggle to not be that person still I think I think we all do in

[00:41:25] certain ways you know and maybe that's why I'm finding it uncomfortable to watch this show right now because yeah you see ways that we are stuck in our own lives and you're just like clear out those I don't know blocks and just be loving with each other

[00:41:47] that's how I feel yeah that's the end of my point all right I think it's your turn Penny okay I want to talk about Karen and first how much I love Karen Susie Nakamura she's so funny she's so dry her wardrobe

[00:42:11] is so hilarious with her like Peter Pan collars I know she's so prissy and then she's got I mean she doesn't just have a couple of guns she has a lot of guns and a crossbow and that safe room is intense and when they were like

[00:42:29] what are you preparing for anyway and she's like oh the apocalypse and and Jen and Junior are both like oh cool that's great so prepared it's good forward thinking like I know sometimes I say like oh you know I'm getting ready

[00:42:43] for the apocalypse I joke about this with people a lot like someone asked me why I had so many cans of the soda that I like and I was like oh it's for the apocalypse I'm stockpiling and then they look at me

[00:42:55] like I'm insane and I'm like okay that was a joke it's just because it was on sale but I can understand how they would be like oh that's so funny but part of me was like yeah Karen respect cool safe room I see those suitcases there

[00:43:11] I bet you've got some clothes packed away is there food in the safe room or do you have like a different storage space for the food like I just I was very I was kind of impressed with Karen's safe room but not with her decor in her house

[00:43:25] it's kind of tacky I thought the Yankee candle thing was so funny oh there's a lot of personality in the house I hate Yankee candle I can't even walk past a Yankee candle store without getting a migraine they're like the worst basic bitch of candle

[00:43:41] it's like the worst candle and she apparently I thought it was really funny she's a wickhead what did she say self-proclaimed wickhead certified wickhead I think it was bonafide because it was a really funny word yeah bonafide wickhead and then she I loved how Karen like

[00:43:59] seeks out orange things orange wine it's the grossest wine and an orange candle who would want that I mean she's like the most sensical gross seems like the grossest hand oh and then how sad she is about Jeff like she's like oh the beach must suit him

[00:44:19] he looks good tan don't you think and like I mean I get it having your marriage end would be devastating but like Jeff doesn't even like women like your marriage was not that good Karen and I'm not a beauty in general manipulating her later

[00:44:37] but they are also kind of doing her favor telling her to like not dwell so much on Jeff because it's never gonna happen it's understandable she I mean I thought we got a really good peek into her psyche she's preparing for the apocalypse

[00:44:51] and she's got the guns in the safe room and so it's like she's conquered her fear these things help her feel secure and safe so that she's can just be like okay I've got this handled I'm gonna be fine and then she says

[00:45:05] for the first time in my personal life I have no idea what's coming and so her world is now rocked like she doesn't have it handled anymore and so she's just a mess yeah and she's like going through a lot of us go through in breakups where

[00:45:23] at first she's working on her revenge bot it's gonna be great and then oh wait I kind of miss him like I'm not dating and it's not working and you know it's not rational like he is absolutely no good for her she needs someone who's straight

[00:45:39] and will let her have sex with him and everything and she'll be much better off I think she's gonna be just fine but she just needs some time to um you know find somebody else that was the saddest moment when Jen was like fuck

[00:45:51] Jeff fuck that guy and Karen goes he doesn't let me or he wouldn't let me he never let me I was so sad for her in that moment I was like oh Karen I know but Jeff you know that actor I've forgotten his name as well

[00:46:07] he was on the Good Place as Mark Evan Jackson right he was on the Good Place as Sean who was a demon and he also hosted the official the Good Place podcast which was a really great podcast yes which was a really great podcast

[00:46:25] totally he would interview like writers and talk about like the creative process and how they came up with their jokes and stuff it was really illuminating but yeah him at the open house like flirting with that dude and then picking up Christopher becoming his new man panion

[00:46:43] man panion it was all really cute but I felt just mostly sad for Karen because then Jen and Judy like pretend to be her friends with an ulterior motive that seems so blatant to you know the audience and Jen of Karen really needs a friend like a real

[00:46:59] friend yeah like a Judy she needs a Judy for herself because Jen's awful to her she's like not passionate at all you need to get yourself together and you're making me feel weird can you get out of here

[00:47:11] and it's like I say this with love but you're making things weird and you need to leave yeah that's like that's when a Jen's plot she doesn't have compassion even for Judy a lot of the time yeah yeah no I know if this

[00:47:23] show were gonna go really dark it would be you know Karen showing up drunk to Jen's house kind of in a desperate moment or something and Jen just being like Karen you gotta leave you gotta fuck off no Karen I can't be

[00:47:35] around you right now you gotta go and then like you know turns out Karen like attempted suicide or something you know you never know what your how fragile someone is and Karen is like really mentally unstable man she's unhinged she has a lot of guns

[00:47:51] so I feel like those guns have been such a like an ongoing theme with Karen I mean she's been mentioning them since season one that they have to play a role in the finale there has to be something about Karen's guns right they they're beyond check-offs

[00:48:07] guns at this point because they've been they've been brought up numerous times yeah yeah I'm just I just can't imagine how they're gonna or that crossbow that was crazy who has a crossbow in a suburban neighborhood and you know she she kind of brought the biggest

[00:48:27] revelation at the end of the second episode with that footage of Moranus taking what looked like an empty water bottle out of Jen's recycling I don't know whose DNA would be on it he doesn't have any reason to know it's necessarily Jen's but

[00:48:47] it would be interesting to get the DNA of anybody living in that house though because I thought that too yeah you have to imagine that if he got Charlie or Henry's DNA that that would be close to know whether or not it matched

[00:48:59] Jen matched the DNA of the body and also he probably wants Judy's DNA too just because you know she's mixed up in this and they want to test everyone sort of surprised he didn't take the entire recycling bin me too I thought this presented a lot

[00:49:13] of more questions and then I think is a good thing that it shouldn't because I was like okay it would be one thing if he went into her car or a place where he knew it was Jen's and he got something personal to her and it was

[00:49:27] on the camera but the fact that he went and got one single bottle I get that it would be useful to know if the DNA from anyone in the house was found at the crime scene or whatever you know but to take one water bottle

[00:49:43] take a couple at least I mean maybe there was only one in there who knows but Karen was so fucking funny when she was like gloves what kind of a creep goes around looking through other people's garbage with gloves and everything gloves this was premeditated

[00:50:01] we can't sell this man my house she goes Jen she shows him the footage and it's like you know what this means right? and it's like dun dun duns that moment and then she goes we can't let this guy buy my house

[00:50:13] and Jen goes no and she goes no! no no what kind of creep goes through somebody's garbage with gloves and everything gloves I mean this was premeditated now do you see why I own so many guns I was just like yes Karen I love you so much

[00:50:31] it was so perfect I thought the scene was sort of annoyingly drawn out when like Karen was not showing her the footage right away and was like oh that's cute oh I'll favorite that I was like come on

[00:50:43] we don't need any more of this they had a lot of moments where people were like Jen you look like your poncho like this like pretend like everybody may be noticing that she looks different I felt manipulated you're showing to me what? no no the comedy writing

[00:50:59] I've been saying it said it before it's a little creaky it's a little it felt forced it was funny don't get me wrong like the fact that Karen would have and these actors are so good they always make it work but when you compare it

[00:51:15] to the first season and the second season which were just zinger zinger nailing it nailing it like hot hot comedy this was a little um sit commy like it just seemed a little dated or not even dated it was just not as

[00:51:31] it was congy yeah it was congy yeah it's just I only think I mentioned it because I hold this show to another it is in another stratosphere of comedy that most shows just can't even touch and they do it so consist two seasons of damn your perfect comedy

[00:51:49] and then to have this season where a little bit here a little bit there it's a little uh stilted or stiff yeah I think they're relying on the the improv maybe a little bit too much or I don't know but or in the first season it was

[00:52:05] very like they used timing really well where there'd be empty spaces and then some zinger that would come in and now they're just kind of like playing off of each other and it feels a bit leverant and surely sometimes you know

[00:52:19] and you know what I think um I think it might be because the writers might be focusing their time I've said this before on other things because they're dealing with like they're juggling a lot of balls and they're they're wanting

[00:52:31] and they have I think their eye on a different kind of prize because they don't have much time so that might be that and it also is especially the scenes with Christina Applegate they limited themselves to like two takes three takes max they said because she was not

[00:52:47] they just didn't have her for as long as they normally did so they couldn't you know take hours to you know maybe try things different way it was kind of like one and done if it's not yeah they were going with that take yeah and

[00:52:59] what even um she would say uh Linda Cardellini would step in for her and say okay guys I think we got it let's move on where uh Christina Applegate would be like no no I can do it again and Linda's like no we're we're done

[00:53:11] can't you I'm I'm telling you she's duty in my life I know I love that too and yeah so maybe that might maybe I mean I'm totally talking out of I could be wrong but maybe mm-hmm I had a couple things about her

[00:53:27] I liked when um she said she held up some chachki and said this is from a trip when Jeff and I went to the Badlands which is a real misnomer because it's great there and funny but also it shows her state of mind like maybe bad

[00:53:41] isn't so bad maybe it wasn't so bad you know yeah and then um later when Jeff tells them he wasn't able to delete the security camera footage because Karen changed the cloud password so they bring the Mexican lasagna with the extra raisins and that's amazing because

[00:54:01] it's a callback from the very first scene but also she actually does need consoling so it makes sense for them to bring her this lasagna and they know she likes it but also they need something from her so they need an excuse so it's just that elegant

[00:54:17] writing that I've liked from this series from the whole time you know that still is really good that was handled well because it cut from the scene with Jeff to them at the door with the lasagna and it was just

[00:54:29] like of course that's what they had to do next like the two of them are like it's a little Scooby-Doo right they're like running around town trying to hide evidence yes yes and I kind of loved it though the energy of that last episode

[00:54:43] of episode 8 really got me just excited because it was thrillery only like Scooby-Doo thrillery you know where they were like they were like okay this is leading us to cover our ass run to this other place and then as soon

[00:54:57] as that scene was over they looked at each other and then they did this cool overhead drone shot or whatever of the beach and it was like scene change and then the next thing is like ding dong showing up in care and as soon

[00:55:11] as they ding donged I was like yes we're getting more Karen I had the biggest grin on my face for the whole entire like ending 10 minutes of this episode I was literally just like this so if you want to delete some incriminating footage from the cloud

[00:55:29] you need to do more than just drag a folder into your trash at the very least empty your trash but it's probably still being saved on like more than one server in different parts of the globe especially knowing Karen you know when to the account and like

[00:55:49] ask them to secure delete it it's not easy and they're gonna like if the FBI wants to recover it it'll take them like 10 minutes I tried not to think about it that hard because then they covered themselves a little bit

[00:56:05] by saying oh we're taking the hard drive too so I appreciated that they tried to cover it a little that way but I thought the same thing yeah I don't know because I was like oh I got that traffic ticket somebody's

[00:56:17] gonna know that they were out in the Angelino Woods and like it finally came back like agent Moranis knows about the traffic ticket so maybe this will come back to haunt them as well maybe yeah but those I love the vacation pics with Jeff where

[00:56:37] my favorite is Karen's on his back with her arms out like an air they were really cute they're back to back and they're sipping straws through cups yeah in every picture too Mark Evan Jackson looks like 50% as excited as she does she's just

[00:56:53] like jumping and like her arms out and her leg is up in like all these pictures it was so funny oh my god Susie Knuckle and I have to say the one other line I thought was funny was and she was I don't understand we have to

[00:57:05] stage this place it's already in great shape yeah there's just a lot of personality in here and guns well guns are selling point in Orange County and personality is good it depends on the personality I wasn't sure if that was scripted or not and it was just greatly

[00:57:21] delivered excellent he looks good with a tan don't you think almost Italian I'm not sure what fucking region you're talking about yeah what the fuck are you talking about Karen this man is white as fuck yeah she loves oh she loves her man I hope we can find

[00:57:41] maybe Karen and Nick could get together never gonna happen but it's the only other single guy in the show so yeah never gonna happen so you've really expressed a lot of admiration for Nick and the actor that plays Nick Jade yeah I wonder if it's about his

[00:58:01] is this the third eye chakra right here between my eyes yeah it just seems really open for him is that part of it Jason yes Jason right is it part of what why you like him I'm so confused why do you think his third eye is open

[00:58:27] because he's like Judy in that way it's why they connect oh yeah I mean if I if I can look at have a person next to me and just scan their body I can sometimes feel where there's no blocks and where there are blocks

[00:58:47] and some people just seem very distant up here but him he's almost too intense but not really because he's also got a warmth about him but he's so like switched on right here he's always working it's an energy thing with Brandon Scott I don't like him

[00:59:07] even when his character does things that it's like I don't like that I can't not love him so yeah it's an actor love I think that overshadows character for me with Brandon Scott I love this man so so so much and when I have like more time

[00:59:23] in my schedule I'm going to seek out things that he's done it's totally literally I have a list of actors that I want to go dive more into just because I love the actor I'm going to go top of that list because I think he needs to be

[00:59:37] more well known than he is but there is something that I just thought of Penny I had an idea when you said that Karen and Nick should maybe get together I think I see Karen as maybe having I don't know if she would go into the women

[00:59:55] dating pool but wouldn't her and Perez make a good couple and fun that'd be hilarious I want the spin off right now give me yes that would be fun if they just wound up together for some really weird reason like they got stuck somewhere like stranded somewhere together

[01:00:17] where they couldn't just by happenstance and then they got to like at first of course Perez would be like you fucking fruit loop who the hell are you what is going on but then they would bond over their love for guns oh dude this oh my god

[01:00:31] Karen would love having a cop as a partner they would are you kidding me they're like perfect for each other when you really think about it oh ship it I'm shippin that hard I don't ship often but that I am shipping yeah I want the cops spin off

[01:00:49] the buddy cop duo between Nick and Perez side Karen and Perez hook up and get married I'm like the guy I want to see scenes with them for sure I am down with Jeff and Christopher I think they're cute together me too

[01:01:11] I love the way this show links characters together to keep everyone in the loop you can say oh how convenient but no fucking love it when he popped up I'm making yeah any vodka cause I'm making martinis I was like Christopher yes I need on the lanai

[01:01:27] I know I'm the lanai it's a lovely lanai cause at the open house Karen's like congrats Jen looks like you have a lot of interested buyers and she's like okay Karen I told you that sellers are not supposed to be at their own open house

[01:01:41] then why is Jeff here points it Jeff and then Christopher's like oh I'll handle it and then the next thing time you see them they're together he handled it he was looking for a man a manpanion and he found one they're actually quite perfect together

[01:02:03] I totally support this as well living at an RV on the beach was something I really would have loved to have done in my 20s but now it just sounds like a giant noisy nightmare full of people banging on your RV in the middle of the night

[01:02:19] yeah I know I stayed in an RV for like a couple of months in Vegas and it was it was an experience that I would not yeah you just I don't know some people love it some people totally that's just not for me

[01:02:39] nope I was with a very lovely person too but it was not the greatest wasn't for me is that it Penny yeah okay my first point one hour in or whatever is Judy wants Jen to come clean with Ben and

[01:03:07] Ben tells Jen and Judy he's going back home and it was so funny when he's in there doing his AA I'm gonna make a mens and they're like it's fine he's eyeball this oh no no we're all good yeah it's fine and you did good

[01:03:25] he's like I was so nervous and he started to say all the ways I've made you feel uncomfortable or whatever I guess because he's showing up drunk and stuff so yeah it makes sense but I was kind of thinking is it kind of rude for

[01:03:39] Ben to just leave after like I couldn't remember where things were left with Jen but they slept together and was like are they kind of okay or am I forgetting what happened after the plumbing what do you mean I'm confused by the question like he's over there helping

[01:03:59] like they slept together right they're kind of dating I guess and then he's just like okay I'm leaving and it's like well wow don't you want to talk about that it feels like I missed some in between that was when he was wasted at the

[01:04:15] last time that's why I was confused I'm like wait the last time we saw him was when Charlie basically was like he went to rehab he's been in rehab this was the first time so he just came back I forgot to ask this question

[01:04:31] I'm glad you brought it up how much time has elapsed because rehab isn't a quick thing well Judy had three months of cancer treatments so it's been and Jen is four and a half months pregnant right this charts out so there's been a time

[01:04:51] okay so that makes more sense but so he's hoping Jen will ask him to stay but he doesn't want to really go there because he just feels ashamed and everything I think and I still feel like that he should say something it's not all on Jen here

[01:05:09] Judy's trying to get Jen come on say something I think that Ben if he wants that he should say something but anyway say something like you know I still have feelings for you okay alright but I'm gonna Jen she's an intimidating lady she wears the pants

[01:05:31] she's got an energy about her she is very very obviously like I am locking myself down okay yep great have a nice life bye she is giving all the signs of like nope don't want this don't want this

[01:05:47] like if she had been warmer to him in that moment he might have said like unless you want me to stay or like yeah he's in the doghouse too with what happened with Charlie like he is not in a good place you're right you're right

[01:06:01] he should have made a move to Charlie too actually he should have said like I need to talk to Charlie also I think if they didn't chew him out of the house he probably would have wanted to but I feel like at this point he doesn't even

[01:06:11] feel worthy of like being in their presence which poor Ben I feel love but Judy is like trying to give him she's trying to give him a helping hand very obviously and she's like nope yep great you gotta go gotta go gotta go

[01:06:23] and then Judy says something funny she's like his kid isn't here he's in college and he's cranky as fuck and he doesn't care she says it like very under her breath and she's like because he she says he's gotta go he's got a kid

[01:06:35] and she goes his kid isn't here he's cranky as fuck and he's in college he doesn't care I thought that was a really funny line that I didn't hear until my second watch although Ben also said you know and I left Laguna Beach for a reason

[01:06:47] I have a lot of unhappy memories here um but I still think he's hoping that yeah he wants he wants to be with Jen or at least try to be with Jen and Judy once you know Jen to tell Ben about the baby

[01:07:03] no I can't that would be like entrapment and then um I think Judy's encouraging Jen to tell Ben because she wants them to be together and parent their baby she says he deserves to know all of it and then maybe he can process

[01:07:17] it and I mean that'll take a minute but maybe you guys can have a life together and I'm like yeah that's so just beautifully like you hear a truth like that and it's like yes and but Jen's like no I have my partner it's you and um

[01:07:31] then Judy goes and brings Ben over and that's one of those moments where we don't know what Judy told him is did she tell him that Jen's pregnant did she tell them that Jen killed Steve and nope it turns out that Judy told Ben that Steve killed Ted

[01:07:51] and Ben says I know Steve isn't here to make a man so let me say I'm sorry for us both which is super sweet and very Ben and then we learn a new secret that they were driving Ben home because he was too drunk to drive oh shi-a-cans

[01:08:07] love Ben Ben was so out of it he believed them probably when they said they hit a deer and I was like okay why did Judy tell Ben that in particular I think it's because she did still have a couple of secrets

[01:08:19] she had the secret that they were driving Ben home and also the secret from Ben that there wasn't a deer they hit it was Ted and she wants to model putting everything out on the table because she wants to encourage Jen to do the same

[01:08:31] which she was about to do I think she just opens that keeps blowing that door and Jen keeps closing it and Judy's like don't open the door but she was about to like Ben said I don't want any secrets between us and she goes me neither

[01:08:45] and then Nick and Perez roll up and arrest Ben for the hit and run which I was kind of glad to see Perez actually being a cop doing what she's supposed to do but I also wonder if

[01:08:55] like Jen and Judy have both said they don't want to press charges so I don't know but it's illegal still a it's a crime against the state and drunk driving you don't need a victim to get in trouble for drunk driving but I was trying

[01:09:13] that secret that Ben was in there yeah okay what does that add I know well I loved the twist to it I was like whoa didn't love new information like this because it's very it makes total sense how it could be hidden until now

[01:09:31] so I was not mad at it but then I started to think wait what how he feels somehow responsible but I mean I guess you could say that if it wasn't for him they wouldn't have been in the car in the first place

[01:09:43] but I mean it's just kind of weak yeah does it make him responsible or something I don't know I don't know about that even though it's like dude it's just bad luck yeah right and it's not anybody's fault it's just kind of fate

[01:10:01] it just seems like another secret to add in a show full of secrets like let's put this one in but it's not as really doesn't feel as essential or meaningful as a lot of the other things I think that the revelation that Judy that she miscarried that night

[01:10:17] or at least we think that that's what happened but it's a much more important one because when Jen finds that out she's gonna feel strongly I didn't even think of that you're fucking right man like that's gonna be a big a big conversation

[01:10:33] I don't even know how Jen's gonna feel like it's so hard to imagine hey ugh me no likey this daa it's gonna be messy the next two episodes are gonna be messy because there's gonna be revelations and there's gonna be anger and there's gonna be crying

[01:10:51] all on this podcast yeah all on this podcast right here folks so Ben was in the car so I thought it was interesting that we got to see more of that flashback you know who I feel sorry for

[01:11:07] the kid who has to grow up with you as a father because I would kill myself I mean that's like horrible that's like Steve level shit and then there's something Jason was saying about how Ben and Ben is kind of the Steve behavior

[01:11:21] when he's under the influence of alcohol like they both have this demon inside them as this twin demon that they share only with Steve it's like his personality pretty much just all the fucking time and Ben maybe he has to actively resist being that way

[01:11:37] because that's right where he goes when he gets drunk he is well I mean I don't know he can kind of be just sloppy silly drunk like when he was karaokeing but he was sad too but he's let out little barbs and he feels more

[01:11:53] like Steve to me a lot of times when he's drunk maybe Steve is more like Ben when he's drunk you never know yeah we never saw Steve drunk also he only is this way to Steve himself he's not that way to Judy or Jen or anybody else

[01:12:09] I thought he was a little bit like that with Charlie when he was drunk little bit no he was saying he wasn't mean he wasn't saying mean things to Charlie he was being mean to himself actually he was really like beating himself up

[01:12:27] and Charlie was trying to be nice to him but when he argues with his brother he gets down and dirty on that really low level and says things like I would kill myself if I was the kid who had to have you as a father that's pretty yikes

[01:12:43] but yeah I do love the fact that it ties them all together they're all in this thing together well it's like a knot it's like what happens to my necklaces when I put them in a suitcase without thinking it through and then it's just a big

[01:12:59] snarly messy knot gotta love that and I mean if anyone maybe will take a sword to it you know a Gordian knot metaphor and slice open the knot next week and on the next episode and we'll get to see what happens I don't know

[01:13:21] if anyone is to blame though for Ted's death it's I feel Steve because Steve is the one who made it impossible for that car to turn around and check on him and call 911 in any way because Judy wanted to and she would have

[01:13:35] and yeah Steve was yelling at her and calling her stupid and stuff it was brutal yeah no matter what Judy did Steve is not going to let her stop that car he would have been like no just move out of the way and take it over

[01:13:51] okay here it was when Charlie said this is a little thing but Charlie goes you're really bleedy are you okay and Ben goes you're bleedy you know just that little thing it's just kind of rude and hostile a lot of people are I'm lucky when I'm drunk

[01:14:09] I'm what I call an I love you man drunk I'm like I love everybody I'm one of those but there are some mean drunks in my family and it's real unpleasant what are you Jade yeah what kind of drunk are you I'm a lovey drunk I definitely am

[01:14:29] I'm a silly I'm a little obnoxious in the way that I'm just like let's have fun like I will take my clothes off and I'm kind of a naked drunk I mean the thing is I'm a naked person there are very few times

[01:14:47] that I just don't think that less clothes are better for everything so any excuse to just take clothes off and like be a free you know so that's where I usually get to when I'm talking when I get like darkly drunk

[01:14:59] I'm like I'm just black out close to the level that Ben was but yeah I know with some people with people that I have a very close close connection to I can only count it on like one hand and I would have fingers left over

[01:15:13] but I can get down real low and dirty too I have not recently but like say horrible things like I would kill myself if I was your child or something you know like I can get on a low low level like with

[01:15:29] like I said with very few people but I have gotten there so there's that little fact you're a goofy drunk silly and goofy yeah that's usually where I go from what I remember one time I got drunk at college I probably might cut this out of the podcast

[01:15:49] but I don't know but the next day I walked into the central area looking at me like and I'm like what? and they're like here we have a tape and they played a tape and the tapes said it was not

[01:16:03] video it was only audio but it was me going which one do you guys like better ball A or ball B ohhh see you're a nicky drunk too sorry I'm sorry you're a nudist at heart I don't know what happened yep anyway where are we again

[01:16:26] I think it's Jade's turn so my next point is manipulation so we got a lot of manipulation going on so that it happens with Jade you're doing so good with the points this week thank you you noticed I was proud no I'm trying to think of my points

[01:16:48] in terms of themes not so much just the characters it's not easy for me though because I'm an actor and I think in terms of character and I get very very close always good to just say a character that's totally fine but I just wanted to

[01:17:02] you noticed I am glad I wasn't gonna say anything but thank you for noticing yes so first it happens with Jen manipulates Perez when she tries to like shake her down to get Ben off the hook she like threatens to expose I don't really can you guys

[01:17:20] am I missing something here what wouldn't it be when she says would you like to un what does she say you don't want to open this can of worms in here and she's like oh where would you like to open it I

[01:17:34] thought it was such a great scene and I love them together when they're friends or when they're not I like love them together just they're magical but wouldn't it be bad for her too to expose the secret that she has overhead maybe she's just bluffing 100% bluffing

[01:17:52] well she's saying it really loud in the middle of the room and also Perez knows that you're bluffing and she's like okay I'll call that bluff go ahead turn me in because you'll be turning yourself into like I saved you so you're gonna

[01:18:02] what you're gonna do is you're gonna call me out for saving your ass like Jen how far did you think this through so that was a attempt at manipulation that happened there and I mean let me interject really just did two really fucked up things this only two

[01:18:22] fucked up and she's like wanting to kill a freakin FBI oh yeah we'll get to that but I just she's unhinted it's farcical it's like come on farcical indeed it is farcical but Jen is getting to a point man she is reaching the level that is

[01:18:44] even more questionable than very questionable things she's done in the past and so yeah she goes there to like get Ben off the hook and I guess we already kind of talked about Ben a little bit so before we get too far away from it

[01:18:54] I do want to ask you guys like what do you think will happen with Ben or I guess no we know what's gonna happen because white guys don't do time they buy it right that line was amazing because it's so true rich white men

[01:19:08] oh please his bail will be set faster than anyone should be comfortable with yes the family was friends with the chief of police but that guy got taken away but they must have other connections in town maybe judges or something or the DA

[01:19:26] I don't know I'm trying to predict like what will happen with Ben and I just do not know how he's gonna get out of this one we don't know what his track record is like Charlie said your third DUI is 25 years in prison but we don't know

[01:19:40] if Ben has prior DUIs or not they also can't prove that he was drunk yeah it's too late now there's no evidence true but the car they hit and run part of the car of I mean that car is in his garage it's gonna take them three seconds

[01:19:54] to find it I just I wonder I think it would make a much bigger difference if he was drunk it would be much worse of a punishment I don't know and there's the whole thing with Charlie so we'll get there because I kind of want to save that

[01:20:08] for a little later because it's kind of more of a conversation in itself so back to the manipulation so then Moranis there is okay and I actually kind of think that this manipulation was quite brilliant so Moranis is on to Jen and so he has all this evidence

[01:20:24] against Jen right he shows up he knows that Steve fucked Jen over bailed on millions of dollars in real estate deal and then Jen got the ticket near Angelus Forest and he does see like the cracked picture frame because that's where Judy hid the money

[01:20:40] which if that was the picture that she was holding actually in the episode where she went I can reframe it and clearly she did she just like put the frame back together so I don't know how he would discern that that was where

[01:20:52] the money was hidden like within the picture which I was like okay how are we I get the groundwork that you're laying here but like really is that even a possible discovery to make he's the FBI he's good he's also like the was it does it what is

[01:21:08] she calls him like the golden child of the FBI MVP of the FBI MVP of the FBI right so I don't know I'm a golden child so yeah and then it keeps being hinted at too just as a side note Moranis this divorce

[01:21:26] I don't know if that's going to become something I feel like it kind of is because it's been from the moment we met him it's like I'm sad because I'm divorced oh yeah my my divorce he just always says it

[01:21:38] just ask my wife oh you can't anymore because we're divorced like he's just very this is a thing with him so I don't know if maybe they're going to use that against him in some way because it's the only way that they're going to get around the FBI

[01:21:52] there's very few ways you can get away with with you're not going to flummox the FBI they're going to figure it out you know so we've revealed that he has a weakness this is his weakness so I think that it's there for a reason because

[01:22:08] perhaps they're going to use it against him so but Judy comes in I love Judy in this moment I was like yes Judy play that cancer card brilliant and I loved Garrett Dillahunt in this whole scene he's just awesome and using Jeff as an alibi this is really

[01:22:26] brilliant ideas here and so it was a girls and gays weekend we drink a lot of rose and you were like rose I'll take a friend and you were like hey and he's like don't do that that was a really funny moment so yeah so Judy

[01:22:42] just play in this cancer card and the pregnancy card which made him probably leave faster than he would have he was like oh now I get the house hat which was really funny it's just my house hat and then it was funny when she's like

[01:23:00] I'll walk you to the door if I can and he was like are you Garrett Dillahunt is he's got this thing about him where he has this stupid face he plays so purposefully and so well he's got this like this baby face about him these big round eyes

[01:23:20] that can just look so like innocent yeah because he's a kind hearted man I know this because I've met him and it comes through in this character just what few little scenes we've got I love it because you can tell that he's a f**king crack FBI agent

[01:23:38] but also he's a kind man and those things may kind of undermine each other at times and he has a connection to Judy right like they've hung out on a friendship like personal level they've gotten to know each other in on a personal

[01:23:52] way and she doesn't even ever call him a ranis whenever his name is brought up she's like Glenn yeah she always like reiterates as Glenn so yeah and then Jen majorly has this we were talking about before like paranoid idea to kill Glenn this just is Jen unhinged

[01:24:12] and she's like she said she'll like crush up pain killers and put it in a scone or something and she goes oh my god where is my number one mom mug my mother f**king number one mom mug where is it it's got to be around here somewhere

[01:24:24] oh my god holy s**t it's gone he took it who agent Moranis yes and now he's gonna match it match the DNA oh my god where did he put it down his f**king pants I mean maybe they were Cheetos they were

[01:24:38] and then she goes we I have an idea we kill Glenn yeah we kill him we could buy him forever it's the only way Jen we are not killing Glenn no we make it look like an accident like he overdosed or something with pills what pills the pills

[01:24:50] you stole from the hospital we mashed them up and baked them into a scone if only I could find the damn here it is and then they both have the pills in the mug and then they just look at each other and like slowly okay calm down okay

[01:25:04] I love it because I mean I feel like it's a bit of a farce or at least yeah oh it was far maybe she's like no she's just going a little nuts but she would never actually do that but the way that Linda

[01:25:18] Cardellini plays it as if it was totally real she's just like horrified yeah yeah yeah two seconds later Jen would definitely be like we were not do like when push came to shove she wasn't actually gonna do it but Linda Cardellini was like

[01:25:32] she's gonna do it hey she showed up at his hotel room at the end so we'll see what happens okay okay with that with a scone I love he says he says I love snacks I love snacks yeah he's always eating snacks it's a kill the FBI guy

[01:25:48] it's a dumb idea even if it wasn't you know monstrous it's dumb as well yeah because if anyone's gonna have a full investigation into their murder it'll be the FBI guy who was in investigating somebody else's murder possibly at the hands of the Greek mafia

[01:26:06] like there'd be like 400 FBI people descending on Laguna Beach and if one gets like poisoned that's gonna be suspicious yeah just a wee bit Judy did take those pills away from Jen though later in the episode when they're like on the couch talking

[01:26:24] and Judy's like I'll just take those oh that's right I just want a lick one yeah she's like can I lick one because she really self-medicates and now she can't yeah she doesn't have wine yep wasn't sober solidarity um I so oh go ahead I'm sorry

[01:26:46] no no you have more to say I was just gonna say when Moranis is questioning Jen and Judy he brings his ex-wife up again which tends to slip out and it made me think that this is a bit of an aside

[01:27:00] but there's so many breakups in this series there's Moranis and his ex Karen and Jeff Jeff and Sebastian Judy and Steve Judy and Nick Judy and Michelle kind of Michelle and Perez Charlie and Instagram influencer who I can't remember her name Christopher and his boyfriend

[01:27:24] and Jen and Ted were you know, month in ice so those are the ones I could think of nothing but breakups like I know with loss all these daddy issues throughout the whole thing and sometimes writers write this stuff in and they don't realize that they're repeating themselves

[01:27:40] but feel like there's relationship stuff on these writer's minds you're so right yeah one couple that was that is kind of going strong though is like Henry and Shandy I think I don't think that they're together I'm pretty sure that they're just BFFs which I love

[01:27:56] I love it who's the solid couple like is there one I don't think there is one right we want it to be Ben and Jen show ain't we want it to be Ben and Jen I haven't lost hope that's my only hope which please don't let me down

[01:28:12] I mean I guess I guess the Ben and Steve's parents but who know we don't know that much about them just because they've been married for a long time and they should not be together because that man should not be with anyone oh lord

[01:28:28] the guy with the butthole finish yeah that guy that's my butthole yep we don't really know anything about their relationship they're just no anyway so back to the manipulation so the manipulation continues with Jeff Jeff gets majorly played so Jeff thinks okay what is this

[01:28:50] thing by the way also Jeff thinks that Karen got the is getting the FBI to investigate him she had me followed she took pictures of me to use for the divorce and they're like yes we could be your alibi and I just love that

[01:29:06] he walked right into it well he thinks they're there to check on how he's doing he always thinks that he just starts well I'm doing alright I'm fine thank you for asking like they never asked dude no they never asked he did that a couple episodes ago

[01:29:24] he's done it every time that we've ever met him yeah it's like you see Jeff it's like the on button he just like hi Jeff he's so self centered me me me me me me me my life is fine thank you for asking you care so much

[01:29:42] and he doesn't hear he has no social cues because Jen is very easy to read when she doesn't want to be around you she just tries to pretend like she's interested so yeah a lot of people don't have many social cues read the room fucko

[01:30:00] read the room fucko and so he goes I mean sure I cheated on her multiple times and yes there may have been met the infidemines that weekend but it was just the one time a couple of times I love that such an overshare too

[01:30:16] no one needed to know that Jeff just the one time a couple of times and so then they find out the footage didn't get deleted and so they run on over Scooby-Doo to Karen's and then they completely manipulate the shit out of Karen to convince her to delete

[01:30:30] all of her footage and give them her hard drive entice her with their Mexican lasagna and they love the line the cloud is the past it's holding you back care Jeff used to call me that he called me a little care package fuck Jeff fuck that guy

[01:30:48] so good I actually called her Care Bear yeah and then they're so they're in Karen's safe room which I love that they continuously call it a safer issue I thought okay I thought we agreed we were going to call it the office

[01:31:00] okay I know but there are so many changes all at once it's my safe room and you know it's like not only Karen's safe room but like her happy place you know like with her as long as she's like spying on people it's like you can just imagine

[01:31:14] like her in there with a cup of cocoa like a snack like watching people on the street like all night long just her like past time I'm not spontaneous I'm a planner I mean hello I built a safe room yeah what exactly are you planning for the apocalypse

[01:31:30] right wow yeah such forward thinking so yeah so they just manipulate the shit out of out of Karen and yeah it's pretty brilliant their manipulation I will say where Judy has not been too clever in past she really you know she pulled her weight

[01:31:48] this episode I will say she pulled one out of the yeah pulled a real good trick couple times yep yeah when Judy wants to be smooth and it's like you can tell she learned it from her mom she's smooth man

[01:32:02] like the time she stole those pills I mean that was flawless yeah and she does it by manipulating people it's she did it by getting close to that woman so that she could snatch everything off of her you know it's not just that she's she's got like a

[01:32:18] smooth hand now she's you know she's smooth with people well really good at getting our listeners to leave us five star reviews if she came would oh man if we got Linda cartolini to ask you guys would you leave us back and five star reviews

[01:32:34] I don't know just pretend that happened okay hi this is Linda cartolini and I would just like to tell you guys that dead to us is such a great podcast guys I really want you to do them a solid leave them a five star review thanks

[01:32:50] thanks for signing off well there she was guys that was wonderful that's so amazing thanks Linda we appreciate that yeah we do so nice she's awesome that woman I yeah yeah so no Judy's great Judy's brilliance all right and end of my note Penny all right so

[01:33:14] um I thought Jade was going to take this but I want to talk a little bit about Nick and Perez this episode or these two episodes Nick confronts her a couple of times and the first time he's like he tells her about how Charlie is

[01:33:32] is a suspect he shows her the picture Charlie driving the car and then she's like I'll handle this and the look on his face is like damn it why won't you let me be a part of it and then he confronts her later and he's like

[01:33:46] I think you think I'm a bad cop I think you think I'm crazy and it spurs her into arresting Ben because she's like you know what you're right and this is spiraling out of control and I'm sure she was sitting there being

[01:33:58] like well Nick's going to go over my head any second now and then I'm going to lose what little control I have over what's going on and so I need to I need to just step up and arrest Ben but the scene where

[01:34:10] he was like you don't believe anything I say and she's like what and then he's like you make that face and she's like what and he's like that's the face and then he makes the face back in her it was so cute

[01:34:22] she's saying she's not doing it while she's doing it while she's doing it he's like that's the face he's like what face he's like that face this podcast needs to be we put it on YouTube for you guys because it's you should watch this part

[01:34:40] go find us on YouTube yeah we're very animated people especially me I make a lot of I'm like super physical this whole time every time but yeah this face that I didn't even notice but she does do it all the time it's this like

[01:34:56] yeah and Nick did a pretty good job of mimicking it and then I love her like reacting to herself doing it she's like yeah yeah and then it becomes like she's making the face in reaction to the fact that she just made the face

[01:35:12] yeah she can't stop herself and that's good writing because they saw what she was doing as an actress and wrote it into the script I love that kind of thing and Nick is right like she keeps sort of squashing him even though he's doing a really good

[01:35:28] job he's figuring stuff out and doing the you know the police work and doing his damn job yeah and so you know she later she tells Jen that Jen is on her own she's like there's no we anymore you know I was thinking about if I were in

[01:35:46] Perez's situation what I would do and I think well now it's kind of too late for this but her story could have easily been yeah Jen came and told me she killed Steve Wood and dumped his body in the woods and she couldn't show me where

[01:36:00] and she seemed out of it and crazy so I thought she was just crazy and I didn't believe her like that would have been my excuse if I were Perez once they found Steve Wood's body but uh it's easy to think that when you're not in the situation

[01:36:14] in the moment if Perez wants to there's kind of always a way for her to get out of this and and and pin it on someone else pin it on Jen she's always going to have the upper hand here yeah but I don't

[01:36:30] think that her saying no more we not anymore I don't think that that's her saying I'm going to throw you under the bus Jen it just means she's not going to actively I can't actively right I can't actively continue to help you because

[01:36:42] I think so I'm curious because why do you guys think that she really went ahead and arrested Ben is it because I believe that it's that it's not just for selfish reasons that it's not just that she's worried about herself getting figured

[01:36:56] out for her how she was an accomplice in this whole thing I really do feel like this moment when Nick stands up for himself and says look I'm a good cop and I know you are too but you gotta let me do

[01:37:08] my you gotta let me have my moment here you have to acknowledge the fact that I'm here and I'm a part of this and I'm doing my job and I'm doing it well and she's looking at him and she I really do think that she thinks

[01:37:18] to herself god damn I can't do this to this guy anymore like I think she does it a little bit out of out of realizing that Nick is a good cop and at this moment he's the only good cop here because I'm not a good

[01:37:29] cop right now I'm not doing my job she genuinely thinks that the hit-and-run is a horrible crime and Ben should be arrested for it whether or not Jen killed Steve doesn't really have anything to do with Ben being the hit-and-run driver

[01:37:46] and and there's no reason to protect him and she's right he's a rich white guy he'll probably be fine he'll be fine yeah I think too she just feels like God I I've been suffering so much because I decided not to be a good cop with

[01:38:04] be a cop yeah and I'm not doing that anymore I don't think that she's doing this because she thinks that the hit-and-run is a genuinely horrible crime that he needs to be because he she knows she feels for Jen yeah she knows Jen's story she has a relationship

[01:38:18] with Jen she knows she they share things and that's the reason that she went to bat for her in the beginning that's the reason she's been helping her cover this up from the beginning for her that's a reason not to do it

[01:38:28] right and but but I think that she can't sleep at night anymore she can't she's chomping on the thumbs she's got this ulcer you know even if it's not like a whole a real ulcer like her stomach does not feel good

[01:38:40] she does not feel good and I think it's because she knows that she's not doing her job as a cop and I think she's like okay you know what it stops here it stops now he's gonna be fine I'm going to arrest him because Nick is

[01:38:52] looking at me right now and I he's more important to me than this rich white guy who's gonna be fine and I think it's true because also you have to can't forget that her and Nick are in a little bit of the same position too because they're both

[01:39:06] people of color it on the police force I don't know and I'm not trying to bring race into it or anything like that if that's not supposed to be red there but she's like a woman a woman of color as a police

[01:39:18] officer it can't be easy and same thing with Nick he he's a man of color but also he was he's more looked down upon as a cop right now because of what happened to him in the past he had to take a leave of absence I just

[01:39:30] think that she sees them both as like underdogs in their field well that the chief of police was was a giant racist right but he's gone right but I imagine there might be other giant races yeah like he's not the only yeah they tend to travel in packs

[01:39:46] so I'm sure there's other racists in the department I yeah I don't know if like bringing race into this is like right or not because I I don't want to bring it bring it into it if it's not there and there really

[01:40:00] isn't a lot said about it so I could be totally wrong it's just something that I as like a white privileged person think about probably maybe more than I should because no I just feel like it's my responsibility to I don't know I think it's there

[01:40:16] because they brought it up in the earlier seasons about that police chief guy yeah that's true so it was I mean it's it's there and and also Perez is a lesbian that's another layer that is probably makes life in the police department in Orange County difficult

[01:40:32] conservative or Orange County I just thought I love that moment for Nick I was like yes Nick yes yes I loved that moment for him so much him totally standing up for himself in this really honest like heartfelt way yeah I was

[01:40:48] applying they did that dead to me thing where they made it seem like he was gonna like you think I'm stupid I know you're but you know you're cooking cop but um yeah I know I know what's going on here yeah she's like you do

[01:41:02] you do well yeah that's the best part yeah because I was actually and it was a good one for dead to me because it's hard it gets harder and harder the more that the show goes on to make those moments at all I was really hanging on there

[01:41:16] for a second I really was I did not expect him to say what he said I mean yeah it was because I didn't think about it in the moment I was I was right there the show had me I wasn't thinking oh yeah but this

[01:41:28] is gonna be one of those things where it's not actually what we think I wasn't thinking that at all I wasn't allowed to because I was too involved in the moment it was good they it was a win dead to me yeah good on you

[01:41:40] yeah I thought a funny line from that was you didn't show him the bird did or did have you gotten any news back about the bird and she goes no nope no word on the bird that made me laugh and uh yeah she gets Jen to turn

[01:41:56] on Ben real quickly by threatening to question Charlie but she's probably gonna end up having to question Charlie a little manipulation there that worked very quickly on Jen yeah and smart Jen tells a lot of truth she's telling a lot of truth to Perez

[01:42:14] she tells Perez she's pregnant she tells Perez that Ben was she gives Ben up as you know over her son she wouldn't have done it if her son wasn't on the line there I think but um but she tells the truth about that she tells truth about pregnant

[01:42:28] Ben is the father so I was like okay Jen see you can tell the truth it is pop physically possible for you to tell truth wow and then later Jen is like I should I turn myself in doesn't that earn me points or

[01:42:42] something and Judy's like I don't think the FBI works on a point system um and Jen says now I understand why you were always so confessy yeah is a great word for what yeah Judy was because Judy was constantly trying to confess and then yeah and Judy goes

[01:43:00] and now I get why it made you so not yeah annoyed yeah I love that they're like switching yeah they're taking on each other's traits more understanding they're like oh I get it now yeah it's cute yep um anything else uh nope all right I'm gonna talk about

[01:43:24] Jen's pregnancy and Judy's reaction to it uh I listened to you guys last week and I thought it was great but one of you said I think it was you Penny that you're glad they didn't do the puking morning sickness thing oh yeah

[01:43:38] then they did it this episode and then they did it like the first scene I totally I like literally said it out loud I was like and the first scene we get is puking oh god um but you know this pregnancy is a stress because she feels

[01:43:54] she can't be with Ben so she killed his brother and can't bring herself to tell him but more so it's about knowing how much Judy wants a child I think or at least that's huge for her and um there were some great transitions between Jen and Judy

[01:44:10] scenes where the doctor saying to Jen you know how many women would kill to get pregnant at your age and then they cut to Judy with a big smile on her face and then um Judy's doctor says her patients go hard on Google and make them

[01:44:26] selves crazy and she goes yeah well I feel like what I don't know can't hurt me right and then cut to Jen having just gotten her ultrasound and crying what am I gonna do so there's this you know juxtaposition of Jen Judy not knowing and Jen being all

[01:44:42] distraught about it and it's such a cruel development where we love Judy she wanted to get pregnant so badly Jen doesn't want to be pregnant and Jen does get pregnant it's really rare she's 47 and Jen wants Judy to help her with her kids

[01:45:04] and Judy could kind of get to be a mom that way but she's dying and it's like god damn you show god damn you show thank you thank you and it's my Judy and I my heart I was just about to say and you just

[01:45:20] said it my heart is you guys I feel physical pain when I see Judy suffer it's like I can feel it in myself like I don't know that I've ever related to a character so hard and like oh man I just like I don't know I can't talk

[01:45:44] do you need a minute oh no just keep talking I mean you can see that Jen knew all those things that are going on with Judy right like Jen's face when she's like oh yeah she has compassion for this so hard yeah

[01:46:02] and I wonder what it must be like for Christina Applegate to film all this having MS and everything you know it must have been so emotional to have this other character have this equally or even worse thing going on I kind of love that though

[01:46:24] and I'm sure that Christina Applegate is very happy that I would have been really like if we had to watch Christina Applegate Dive Cancer or something like that I don't think I would have been able to handle that no way just a little too real mm-hmm

[01:46:42] but to put it we have it with someone else just may I'm sure made the filming of this very personal and emotional you know yeah there's I mean you guys this show is amazing the reason that it soars to the top of the top for me is because

[01:46:58] the acting the writing this team is lightning in a fucking bottle they everyone who has invested in this show is fully invested they are friends they this team loves each other you can feel it oozing out of the show how much they're a family and they're putting

[01:47:18] their own life they're bringing their own life experiences to it and as an actor it's a very very hard thing to do and they're doing it so generously I feel like this show is a gift from you're gonna make me cry right now I know I'm like

[01:47:34] you're right on the edge I can see it I and I just it's not that I just relate to Judy I mean I've really to her extremely hard but there's a way I can see myself in everyone you know and just the generosity of everyone

[01:47:50] involved in this show it's something so special and it just doesn't come around that often you know yeah and the fact that Christina really pushed to do the full season it just goes to show how how special it must be and how wonderful it must be

[01:48:08] to be there just when an actor is doing something that they really love and not just phoning it in not just earning a paycheck no one had this season 3 did not no one needed it wasn't a paycheck for anyone this is a labor of fucking love

[01:48:24] they offered to just do a movie or something right or do a short season oh they were planning on it's not gonna happen it's over we're not gonna put Christina through this and Christina was like this is probably gonna be the last thing I'm ever gonna do

[01:48:38] and I'm gonna push through all of the crazy amounts of pain to finish it yeah to finish it for everyone who loves it but also I feel like for herself because she loved it you can just feel the fucking love oh god I have like the goosebumps

[01:48:54] on my goosebumps right now are crazy cause I'm trying so hard not to cry it's alright I just need like to take a breath jade we love you it's a lot it's okay if you need to cry I cried on this podcast oh I know I'm a fucking

[01:49:10] crier which I actually can't believe I haven't cried on this podcast it's like really crazy cause I'm a crier well you can't say that anymore yeah I mean I did yeah just a couple of tears yeah I can't the more I was like about to talk about it

[01:49:24] and if I were to get into how I relate to Judy it would make me cry but it's like a personal time yeah for another day so then Jen finally tells Judy she's pregnant which is another truth revealed and you kind of talked about this but

[01:49:44] she was so upset and she tried to fake not being upset but it was all over her face and it was weird to see her that way I totally understand it it's just so weird like just for that moment and she walks into the pool which scared me

[01:50:02] like she's flashing back on the night of Ted's hit and run and then we leave her there at the bottom of the pool while Jen deals with Charlie having thrown the iPad at Henry and I'm like what about Judy is she okay like I'm pretty sure

[01:50:20] she's gonna be in the final two episodes but that was kind of scary it reminded me of this friend I had who had broken I think I might have talked about this on this podcast but she broke up with her boyfriend and we took her out

[01:50:36] for drinks and she just walked right out into the street and I had to grab her like dude yeah anyway but then Judy very quickly after that starts thinking about Jen's feelings again when Jen's like I'm so sorry

[01:50:52] and she goes don't be sorry you're not having a baby at me and then by the end of these two episodes she seems pretty comfortable with Jen being pregnant she's telling agent Moranis that oh yeah Jen didn't remember everything because of pregnancy brain

[01:51:06] so she's making cracks about it and everything but I kind of appreciate that for that moment she was just like devastated because it's not fair you know that's what Viya was getting it's not fair it's not fair yeah it's so hard to be a mother

[01:51:24] for years and years it's heartbreaking I've had friends who have gone through fertility problems and they you start to question your value as a woman when you can't have a baby it rips your identity apart and the process of fertility treatments and stuff is brutal

[01:51:50] it messes with your body it messes with your personality it destroys your life in a lot of ways and then sometimes still doesn't work I mean it's awful fertility problems are horrible we talked about it a lot in season 2

[01:52:04] the way that this show does such a great job of accurately showing a storyline like this that doesn't get talked about very often because yeah fertility is it's the thing that I feel like as a woman it's just the thing that makes women

[01:52:20] the fact that we can bear children and when you can't do that thing you feel like your body is failing you and you feel like you're failing at life or something I can't imagine what it must feel like because I have no desire to be a mother

[01:52:34] but for someone who does and can't especially then to see not I don't want to ever say that Jen is a bad mom but someone who's not wanting to be a mom like when she says how far along are you too far I took that to mean

[01:52:50] if I had the choice and if I had the choice I would I think that Jen probably would because not only because she doesn't want to have a child with Ben I feel like it's risky and scary to have to try I'm 47 years old what a risk

[01:53:08] to attempt to have a baby because there's a high likelihood that it's not going to go well and that things are going to happen either to you or the baby so she found out at 4 and a half months that's yikes you're trapped

[01:53:26] I feel like when she said the entrapment thing she probably feels like the one who's trapped because she's got no choices whether I like it or not I gotta try to have this baby you know what's funny though 4 and a half months and just now we're seeing

[01:53:40] morning sickness I was like she would have been puking before this just a couple other kind of random things about Jen's pregnancy I like at least this is how I took it that she had a chance because the pregnancy is all tied up in how she feels about

[01:53:58] Ben knowing and how she feels about Judy knowing but then she went in her room and was watching videos of her and Ted and Charlie yeah a couple of times we had a couple of moments with her and she's getting to reflect

[01:54:14] on having the other baby I felt like that was and you hear Ted saying something about is that a bagel in there and Jen's like you want to be a big brother and you hear little Charlie and I just thought she's kind of crying but I thought

[01:54:28] she was just moved by it and remembering what it was like before when she was pregnant that was an insane moment of acting from Christina Applegate and I was almost going to make it to die for but I had to go with Linda Cardellini

[01:54:42] and I didn't even really take it that far when I first brought up that moment but the reason that it was I feel my moment to die for is because that no moment do I relate harder to than that moment with Judy

[01:54:54] because I have this thing about me where I'm very vocal obviously and I feel my feelings through my voice and when I get upset I have to scream and it's healthy it's like punch pillow and scream it's my way to feel what I'm

[01:55:10] feeling and get it out of me so that I don't self destruct and so that I don't do what Judy used to do and hit myself and okay not going to cry so to see like that Linda needed I mean that Judy needed to find a place where

[01:55:27] she could scream and safely and not offend people because that's always what I think is like am I going to cause some people when they hear screams it's very triggering for them and a lot of people don't feel comfortable screaming

[01:55:40] and they don't when they hear screams it like it does the thing that I'm trying to do is soothe myself and what it does to other people around me is like it actually triggers them and unsettles them and I don't want to do that to anybody so

[01:55:54] just seeing Judy like under the water like that's where she found is like a safe place to be able to scream was just like really really moving and it was the most quiet place she could find I was like oh that's so something I would do

[01:56:08] because she's just trying to find like an escape where can I go and just let out a blood curdling scream because I was like yes girl I'm so right there with you there are so few ways that I do not relate to Judy

[01:56:20] and so like to do it under the water not only was it artistically just beautiful but it was like bone chillingly moving powerful I was thinking about the logistics of it I was like I don't think I've ever like screamed under

[01:56:34] water and I was wondering what that was I know I don't think I have either and I'm like I gotta try that would you swap did you get a lot of like chlorine in your mouth no? you're blowing out I guess yeah now I gotta try it

[01:56:48] next time I'm I know and I was thinking it because the place that I have the most problem with like finding a safe place to release sound as I call it like if I ever need to is when I'm around my mom because

[01:57:02] my mom is triggered by the sound of screams and so I always want to be sure that I'm not triggering her if I'm around her and I need to do that and so they have a pool

[01:57:12] where they live in Florida so I'm like oh if I need to scream I can just go in the pool that's brilliant I'm gonna do that I was seriously like good trick I scream in my car you're a gen see to your loud music

[01:57:24] I'm sorry to be so like all about me I'm not gonna talk about this I just no it's interesting no it's great this is our best this is like the third time I brought up this moment guys like I'm sorry what was a beautiful moment it's really good

[01:57:38] Jade I forgot your name for a second Jade Jade it's helpful that it's written on the screen yeah that's right I really enjoyed the moment after that when Judy was you know sitting wet outside the pool and Jen came out and brought her a blanket

[01:57:54] and Judy's like oh can I have the poncho and Jen says you can have anything you want and they just they have this moment where they both sort of are like I understand what's going on with you and you understand what's going on with me and

[01:58:12] we're good now with each other like they it was just a beautiful moment Jen loves Judy and Judy went back to like you gotta go to Ben and tell him everything but seeing them together I wanted them to raise a baby together they love each other unconditionally now

[01:58:30] when they and when Judy was like maybe you guys can have a life together and Jen was like I already have a life and I have a partner and then Judy said something very Jen and she goes I hate that word and she goes I know it's gross

[01:58:42] and I was like oh the and she said but it applies here I was like oh I love that Judy is taking on the Jen and Judy is taking on the Judy traits more you know because we've seen Jen take on a lot of Judy's traits but we

[01:58:56] haven't seen it as much I don't think with Judy but this these two episodes we really started to Judy is totally becoming a very different person makes sense assertive yeah she's grounded she's almost like the more grounded one in reality I know she is I would say crazy

[01:59:16] yeah it's really cool I'm closing in on Jen and Perez tells Jen they found DNA of someone else probably Jen and she threatens to kill that guy we killed Glenn we could buy him so I'm like they're closing in like I can't imagine Jen's going

[01:59:36] to be in jail at the end of this I think well I was thinking maybe they would run away to Mexico they're talking about vacation how it'd be great Mexico they're talking about a beach I know and we had that the dream that I very much

[01:59:52] like is coming back to that dream was there's foreshadowing all over it there's always the stuff about boats and Jen saw Judy in the boat in the dream and drew the seascape now she draws the seascape and there's been other mentions of buying boats and stuff like

[02:00:08] that and now they're talking about going to the beach in Mexico so there's gonna be a beach and a boat by the way they're going to be a beach and a boat yeah and so maybe that's how I don't know it seems a little too like obvious

[02:00:26] maybe or I don't know if it's obvious but anyway maybe that's how Jen will get away with all of this she'll just run away to Mexico but she would have to take her kids with her so that seems like it'd be kind of weird

[02:00:34] yeah there's always the kids and I was just gonna say how do the kids factor into all of this cause Charlie you would think the kids have been very out of this season they're not playing a very massive role which I don't who knows though

[02:00:52] because we did not see Karen until these two episodes and now I feel like we've gotten almost enough Karen to last me I don't know if there's ever enough Karen to last me two more episodes I think we got a good dose

[02:01:06] we got a real good dose of Karen so you never know what they're gonna pull I feel like I want more Shandy I need a little more Shandy please little more Henry and Charlie too yeah a little splash of Shandy, Henry and Charlie mixed it all together

[02:01:22] I could use that because the kids are gonna find out about the pregnancy right that's kind of next on tap next up that's where we're probably starting I think in these last two episodes so yeah okay continue that's all I had if you want to

[02:01:40] I mean did you have any funny lines oh I had some funny lines I've got one right here then we fight like we do because we are a couple of badass pregnant cancerous bitches yes I loved that one how about whoa somebody got a new poncho

[02:01:58] yep somebody did I just saw it and I thought I'm gonna buy that poncho and I'm gonna wear that poncho yeah wear that poncho I think that that was probably improv and it was so good when the doctor I got two that go together

[02:02:14] the doctors like would you like to know the sex and she goes I would like to go back in time and not have the sex and then later when Jen's explaining or lying about why she doesn't want to drink Judy's wine I'm just trying to make smarter choices

[02:02:28] about what I put in my body put in my body I think the reference to Ben's penis yeah thank you just to make sure everybody got it had no idea my next one is okay so everyone comments on the poncho Gary there's something different about you

[02:02:48] no there isn't I know what it is and it's just like one of those dun dun dun music moments your poncho and Judy walks in yeah isn't it great yeah it's so roomy what's just smuggling in there nothing like the way Jen delivers nothing

[02:03:06] so dead serious she was like don't even go there correct me up when Judy says you're showing and Jen's like what yeah you're showing the house yes yep I'm showing the house that is correctamundo to be back to my happy days days cause that's a line that Arthur

[02:03:24] Fonzarelli made up in happy days correctamundo how many kimonos does Judy have we saw three in these two episodes she they're beautiful I own one hold on give me two seconds guys it's gotta get the YouTube everybody yep watch us on YouTube okay so if

[02:03:50] you people out there you good lovely people would like to patronize the arts you can see this kimono on full display it was a major part of my cut so this kimono looks identical to the one Linda Cardellini was wearing in this episode identical I have very many

[02:04:06] kimonos as well shocking I know right but the pattern like if you are watching on YouTube you will see it is seriously I truly believe this is the same kimono and if you want to patronize the arts you can see this kimono on full display

[02:04:20] because it is my wardrobe in the film that I made called the Robert and if you would like to donate to be able to help us submit that film to festivals the link to do so will be in the description of this episode so please and thank you

[02:04:36] many kimonos I thought Jen burned all of Judy's clothes so I'm just sort of surprised to see her very full wardrobe a lot of flowers that reality never never stopped beautiful kimonos though love them so the whole thing about Judy says they won't be able to match

[02:04:56] Jen's ah that was my next one I don't really have go ahead they won't be able to match it to you unless they have like your hair semen or whatever okay if they have my semen then we have other problems

[02:05:06] when you know what I mean your lady semen what she men she men I don't know I don't fucking know that was brilliant that's funny but it's pretty dumb did they oh yeah especially for Judy Judy would know lady semen I mean really actually though I don't know

[02:05:26] I know I I don't know I thought that too and then I actually did think actually know what would you call it I don't know that I could immediately come up with the word to call it either I know but like that general fluid yeah

[02:05:40] yeah you know I think that I it's dumb but I don't know I liked it yeah it's funny yeah okay any other no I don't have anymore I have one more one more line Christopher I'm starving my blood sugar is dropping I only ate a baby's

[02:05:56] handful of almonds for breakfast this morning because I'm keeping it tight because I'm in the market for a new man panion keeping it tight I only ate a baby's handful of almonds this morning love me some Christopher yep alright so cliffhangers y'all okay go ahead so what why

[02:06:18] was Judy sloppily shoveling this money into her bag was it to pay for the vacation what are we doing here that she's like a child like a five-year-old inept child just like like shoveling this money she's like like stuffing it

[02:06:34] in her bag I'm like what are you going with all this cash where you going with all this cash she's trying on her house hat yeah she's obviously getting real excited maybe it was to go pay for the vacation I don't she has

[02:06:46] to do everything in cash I guess right because she then says I found the greatest hotel for us in Mexico or something and then yeah what's the key for ideas predictions safe deposit box safe deposit it looked like that was one of those little flat square keys

[02:07:02] yeah it wasn't a like it didn't look like a house key or a car key no probably some kind of safe deposit like some kind of storage locker or something like that I feel like we've done storage locker I feel like it's got to

[02:07:14] be safe deposit and it looked like it they were very careful not to show us the base of it too much but you can see because I paused it I'm like what is this key it's not a house key not a car key

[02:07:24] I don't think it's a storage locker key I'm pretty sure it's my bet my money's on safety deposit box like a Steve safety deposit box but I for some reason don't think that there's going to be money there I feel like there's going to be something else inside

[02:07:38] yeah she's got the money so it seems like it's yeah money has been done it's but what what though right what yeah it's another mystery mystery I was very excited by this do you think that she knew what that key was when she found it

[02:07:54] I know she looked confused I am like who what is this or she looked at it like she looked at it like an utter disbelief mm-hmm you know like I can't believe this was in here too like she didn't put it there but she knew what

[02:08:10] it was she just couldn't believe that oh my god this like I found this in there that's what it seemed like mm-hmm but it was strange that it was just it was strange that it was just tossed in there not in any kind of a case or

[02:08:26] container it was just like a stray loose key which led me to think it might have not purposefully been put in there or maybe it was thrown in there like hastily by Steve I guess who is the only other person

[02:08:40] I can think of who would put it there because he knew right didn't he know about the money yeah I mean yeah that was part of his plan yeah he stole it from the Greeks yeah yeah um and he did the whole I'm gonna put it

[02:08:54] in your art on the guy he did the whole gallery cover thing he was heading that hole yeah so that's my thinking but I don't know what it is let us know listeners what do you think is the key for

[02:09:08] that is my question if you're gonna write feedback answer my question but by the time they write back they'll know oh yeah right or else okay so write the answer the question and then watch the episodes yeah don't want you have a lot of homework this week

[02:09:20] I never said it would be easy to be a podcast listener of bed to us you can do it but it will be fun um and you'll be rewarded greatly with money because I'll give it to you I really yeah I will pay for reviews no what

[02:09:38] I don't know where I'm going with this anyway um okay so then the second big cliffhanger Jen brings Skowen's to Moranis what's gonna happen yeah what are we doing he loves some snacks I think it's a red she's not there to poison him yeah I don't think that

[02:09:56] but what is she there to do maybe try to butter him up or point him in the wrong direction like Judy did that time or confess that doesn't seem right I don't think you'd bring Skowen's to a confession I feel like the only thing that she could do

[02:10:12] is maybe like take something from him like documentation that would be incriminating or maybe she's there to just like distract him while she sees what kind of incriminating uh because I feel like at this point she just wants to know how deep am I

[02:10:30] and in trouble am I like how onto us are they you know so if he has any kind of like files although I don't know those would probably be locked up if he's a halfway decent FBI agent they're not gonna be just like sitting around his hotel room

[02:10:44] maybe she is there to kill him I mean are you I hope not cause she won't get away with that or do a good job I mean I'm probably just gonna go watch this as soon as we're done talking yeah I was thinking the same thing

[02:10:58] well I'll know in a little while I know I'm not gonna be able to tonight but I'm not gonna be able to hold out much longer man I gotta know I'll write your text and let you know what happened

[02:11:08] just spoil the whole thing for me will you please although I'm spoiled about one thing anyway um oh I forgot God it's right there why did I put this at the very end of my notes there was one other thing that I wanted to comment on

[02:11:20] well kind of two things when Judy is finally calling to schedule her scan I loved the way that we thought that the background music was non-diagetic and then it turns out it's like the hold music for the phone call I laughed out loud

[02:11:32] she was just meditating or something yeah cause it's a really moody moment where it's like enlightened and contemplating and then it's like Laguna oncology yeah I thought it was so clever I laughed I loved that too and then she goes and gets her scan results

[02:11:52] and she's out and we don't see it but it's clean I don't know if she got the results or if she just got the scan I think she just got the scan the results aren't immediate and I didn't get that it was bad

[02:12:04] where did you get that were we watching the same show okay yeah that's what I thought I mean it's not immediate but I thought they might be playing with time a little bit although yeah maybe I'm just totally off base my meaning of it was that she got

[02:12:18] information and it wasn't good I could be wrong I don't know that she got a definitive answer but I think that she doesn't feel great about the fact that she went at all because she knows that now it's only a few days before she knows

[02:12:34] probably the because we see the foreshadowing she's saying oh I'm tired and we see her like pop a pain pill she's in pain yeah she knows that the chemo didn't she knows she's gonna need more chemo I mean we all know this

[02:12:48] like it is not even a secret to this we're trying to hide it from us like she's gonna need more chemo yeah yeah I think you're right I mean the whole these two episodes were about her avoiding and then coming to terms getting information at all

[02:13:02] and so now she's decided to but it was kind of weird the way they played it with her coming out like I thought in the moment I thought okay she knows something but I guess not yeah it was just now she has

[02:13:12] to face that okay now I'm gonna know yeah she's gonna know yeah and that was what she was avoiding and then I loved well loved is kind of a weird word for it but Jen is signing Judy up for clinical trials mm-hmm she's yeah she'll do anything

[02:13:30] yeah and deep down she's not hopeful either she doesn't think that it worked either like Jen knows Judy knows no one saying it everyone knows but no one's fucking saying it and I just really wish that Jen would at least try to be truthful

[02:13:44] with herself but I guess no in this moment it does show that she's being truthful with herself because in her quiet moments alone she's like okay I gotta get her as much help as I can but she's gotta have a moment where if Judy does

[02:13:56] end up passing that Jen can say goodbye to her you know yeah yeah and not just be in denial all the way up to the very end or you know projecting that denial anyway yep she can always take more shrooms it makes her very honest it does okay

[02:14:14] that's it we'll take a little break there's more to come stay with us alright we're back and it's time for some news so I'm not going to go too deep into it but the same day we recorded our last episode December 8th Christina Applegate did a virtual

[02:14:54] interview with Kelly Clarkson on the Kelly Clarkson show and I didn't see it until the following day or else I would have mentioned it last week but it's definitely worth mentioning because Christina Applegate's public appearances have been and probably will be rare so I wanted to

[02:15:08] let you guys know about it there are no like dead to me spoilers in the interview and they actually don't even discuss the show very much she just talks about her MS diagnosis and how she's dealing with it these days and she talks about like

[02:15:22] music and her amazing friendship with Stevie Nicks is very cool she talks about that and her family and like what she did for Christmas and I just love like seeing her just like living her life and she talks about her love for reality

[02:15:36] TV it's just very fun it's just Christina Applegate being like herself not too serious but then they do like get into some more serious stuff too it's just a really delightful little interview so yeah it's it's just nice to see her giving interviews

[02:15:52] at all so you know still doing stuff I think she's doing she's gonna start probably doing a little bit more now that dead to me has been out for a little while but this is the first thing I've seen from her aside from her

[02:16:04] getting her star on the Walk of Fame so if you guys are interested in watching it the full episodes actually just because it's been a week they expired today on Peacock Kelly Clarkson episodes they expire after seven days today

[02:16:16] was I think was the last day to watch it on Peacock and I think it's about to expire on NBC but it's still on there so the YouTube video of just her interview is only it's like less than 10 minutes and so we'll put a link to that

[02:16:28] in the show notes if you guys want to check it out thanks cool all right let's get into some listener feedback Penny you want to read so May our loyal friend has written in to say just want to let you know how much I'm enjoying

[02:16:48] listening to you thank you so much you are doing such a fantastic job with this podcast we never get tired of those notes you guys so on episode seven season three episode seven she says no rats in the tub lol just a case of postpartum

[02:17:04] hair loss and then she has like a face a morcon while this is my favorite season and I totally understand the reasoning I'm finding the time jumps a bit confusing and the writing is definitely not as sharp sudden morning sickness at four and a half months

[02:17:22] but I'm letting it go because I'm still enjoying the show yeah aren't we all one thing they haven't addressed but keep showing is that I think Judy had her miscarriage because of the accident or that's what it seems like from the flashbacks I agree um

[02:17:38] Jason do you want to take her comments on episode eight she's oh she-man she-man a much lighter episode in light of everything going on it's like the calm before the shit storm walls are closing in around jen and it's not looking too hot for Judy

[02:17:58] I missed the kids and Ben this episode but Karen and her drama made up for it indeed and then Nathan echelon I didn't write in last week so first off I want to say welcome back to penny it's good to hear your voice again thanks Nathan

[02:18:14] this isn't for a specific episode but some of my favorite scenes are when Jen is sitting in her car listening to super heavy music while the person sitting next to her just takes it in the expressions on Ben and Judy's faces are played for laughs

[02:18:26] but as a fan of heavy music myself I appreciate that Jen describes it with sincerity sometimes lyrics that people scream out are just a reflection of the way the listener is feeling in that moment I'm glad she tries to share that with people right on

[02:18:40] however you got to get it out man you got to scream I highly highly recommend scream therapy is a real thing and whether you're listening to others do the screaming for you or screaming yourself I never really thought of it that way like Judy is a screamer

[02:18:58] and Jen has to hear other people scream they just balance each other yeah maybe Judy should scream at Jen yeah right that would be win-win Judy gets it out and Jen gets it out through listening that's awesome Nathan your message reminded me of last week who was it

[02:19:22] dang it one of the listeners wrote in about dolls oh Tracy Walker I'm Tracy yeah and I'm a doll collector and Nate's like they're making fun of heavy music and it's really interesting like this is a comedy so they're gonna be they're gonna make jokes out of

[02:19:38] things but I totally love people are like hey that's I like that and it is true that Jen in the show she's serious about it she's just like look this is what I do this is her therapy again yeah but um or even

[02:19:52] like making fun of the word moist and you guys are like I don't like the word moist it's fun I mean I like to make I like to laugh and joke and make fun and sometimes it comes off as mocking but I also

[02:20:04] appreciate when someone will come in and be like you know what I really like that and I'm a stand for it so hopefully we can have both yeah defend your passions people yeah yeah for sure alright that is our show thanks so much for listening everybody

[02:20:27] this was probably my favorite episode of this podcast it was a it was a pleasure yeah to be a part of um we have one more episode it's dead to me season three episode nine and ten we're almost out of time and we've reached the end

[02:20:45] and that will be next week and um I also want to mention a couple things that we have coming up on the podcasting network one of which is our first ever movie focus podcast you might have heard us talking about it before but it's called it's showtime

[02:20:59] folks and the first episode will be out next week that's gonna be Jade and Penny and Daphne talking about Miracle on 34th street just in time for Christmas yeah excited to hear and then here's something that we haven't I don't think mentioned at all

[02:21:19] why don't you talk about what your what other things you've got coming up Jade well um January is gonna be big I'm excited because me and my friend Erica are starting a Mrs. Mazel podcast so if you guys love the

[02:21:35] Marvelous Mrs. Mazel you know it's coming back in February with their last fifth and final season so we're gonna be starting um our podcast in January so that we can do a catch up a little bit of a recap for seasons one through four so each episode

[02:21:51] is going to be an entire season so they'll probably be like longer episodes where we just talk about the season as a whole and our favorite behind the scenes stuff I really want to make sure that I'm talking with this podcast because it's got so much

[02:22:03] um it's a period show you know and it's got it's rich in uh real stuff that actually with stand-up comedy and just the comedy world in general New York City all kinds of stuff that I just love and I'm so interested in talking about actors and um

[02:22:21] so not only just are we gonna be covering content about the show but a big focus of the podcast is going to be talking about kind of the real life counterparts of these people that are portrayed on the show and so yeah if you guys are into that

[02:22:33] or if you have if you're something you're into like stand-up comedy but you haven't watched Mrs. Maisel it is a brilliant show it is doing something very unique and different and cool the acting is phenomenal you got Rachel Brosnan hand you got Tony Shalub you got oh god

[02:22:51] the list goes on and on like check out the cast it's star studded like truly it's these actors are incredible um and writing is great if you like um the Gilmore girls name is escaping me right now writer Amy Sherman Paladino Amy Sherman Paladino thank you I'm like

[02:23:11] damn it the right of the tip my tongue yes if you like Amy Sherman Paladino and her kind of like pithy quick writing it's really got a unique pace to it so yeah it's comedy I highly recommend it check it out

[02:23:27] you guys are starting when are you starting that coming in January so that'll be like the second week of January where we'll have our first episode and then we're gonna do an episode week to cover seasons one through four until the show

[02:23:39] we don't have a release date yet for what we know it's sometime mid-February is season five cool and then what about the other one hmm well this dream team decided to carry on guys it's not it's not this is not the end so you love this

[02:23:57] fucking amazing trio we have going here you can hear more of us because we are gonna be covering the new show poker face oh my god I'm so excited it's coming out in January and it's been um I don't even have anything to do with Lady Gaga

[02:24:11] nothing to do with Lady Gaga it's been kind of touted as like this colombo esque mystery series which throwback almost yeah like almost like a throwback um which thrills me on a lot of levels and Natasha Leone is starring so if you guys like Russian doll

[02:24:31] and you like her kind of acting she's one of my personal faves and if you're if you're into mysteries murder mysteries in general and you liked say knives out the director name Ryan Johnson Ryan Johnson thank you god what is with me

[02:24:47] in names right now Ryan Johnson is directing so I have really high hopes for this and I'm so excited that you guys are gonna get with me because this is another one that jade is dragging you into I'm like I really want this I'm I'm I beg to

[02:25:01] I like Ryan Johnson a lot back to when he directed episodes really good episodes of Breaking Bad and uh knives out I thought was great and um he did glass on you too right yeah that's I forgot to mention another movie we're covering on it showtime folks

[02:25:15] is so excited for it we're gonna be covering that and that'll get us ready for poker face and we decided for sure yeah three of us yeah nice awesome and uh we haven't decided whether for poker face we're gonna put that on

[02:25:31] this feed that you're hearing now or are gonna give it its own separate feed so we'll figure that out and let you guys know but if you have an opinion on that let us know yeah seriously let your opinion be heard and last

[02:25:43] I just want to remind you guys to click that little link and give us a review and a rating and you will get a special place in heaven oh there's another thing I want I meant to mention now whenever I am editing and I hear you saying singing

[02:26:01] get ready for the judgment day it takes on new connotations with this season shut up Jason why you gotta make me oh man yeah I mean it's kind of perfect how did I know also a Judy Garland song Judy's thing about alright that's our show see you later

[02:26:25] later gator in a while Crocod-Dup bye