9: “We’re Almost Out of Time” & “We’ve Reached the End” (S3E9&10)

[00:00:00] I've had the best time, Jen. Me too. You were right this place is... it's beautiful.

[00:00:24] No. I mean, I've had the best time with you. Me too. You filled the hole in my heart.

[00:00:52] Oh, shut up. Ew.

[00:00:54] I didn't mean to make you cry.

[00:00:59] No, it's too late, sister.

[00:01:06] I love you.

[00:01:07] I love you too.

[00:01:10] So, so much.

[00:01:11] I've changed my life.

[00:01:35] All right, everybody. It's Judgment Day. Welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason.

[00:01:40] I'm Jade.

[00:01:42] And I'm Penny.

[00:01:43] And this is Dead to Us, a podcast very dedicated to the Netflix show, Dead to Me.

[00:01:48] That's right, my little cats. For the next few hours, I invite you all to forget your troubles. Come on, get happy and get ready to talk about the final two episodes ever of Dead to Me.

[00:02:04] Oh, another series finale.

[00:02:06] Oh, man, guys.

[00:02:07] Oh, man. As you were playing that, I was like, why did I request that this was the clip? Because now I'm going to like start crying literally before the podcast.

[00:02:16] Like, I can't even hear those words and not...

[00:02:19] Oh, it's going to be a struggle, man, to get through this podcast talking about this.

[00:02:24] I had to play it because I didn't want to play it just for the listeners. Then we come in and like, hey everybody.

[00:02:30] Yeah.

[00:02:32] You know what I mean?

[00:02:33] I had to hear that.

[00:02:34] We need to hear it.

[00:02:35] Well, here we are. Dead to Me season three episodes nine and 10. We're almost out of time and we've reached the end.

[00:02:44] And before we get into our breakdown, what did you guys think in general?

[00:02:50] I thought that there were some, you know, convenient, hurried wrapping up things that I completely didn't mind because I wanted to spend as much time as possible like Judy.

[00:03:04] With the people that we love. You know, I wanted to see Jen and Judy and how they were going to say goodbye to each other.

[00:03:11] I didn't need to spend more time with the crime and the mystery and all that stuff.

[00:03:16] Yeah. It's like, blah, blah, blah. Just get that done.

[00:03:20] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:03:21] Yeah.

[00:03:22] It's definitely a weepy episode, especially episode 10.

[00:03:26] Yeah. I, Jade and I were texting or I think around the phone and I told her that I took a picture of myself ugly crying just to see what it would look like, but that no one would ever see it.

[00:03:37] And then we said, oh, if you do want, take a picture of yourself and when I watch the season finale in my face at the very end.

[00:03:46] Yeah.

[00:03:47] And I don't think you intended to show each other that picture to me as well.

[00:03:50] No, I intended to.

[00:03:51] No, we wanted to include you, but I wish we had told you that ahead of time so you could have done it.

[00:03:54] I was going to say, I'm like, Penny. Yeah, I know. I wish I told you.

[00:03:58] I was like, I don't know if you would buy any chance took a took your ugly crying face photo.

[00:04:03] I didn't recently, but a while back I did a ugly crime portrait.

[00:04:08] I'll find it and send it to you guys.

[00:04:11] Excellent.

[00:04:13] What about you, Jade?

[00:04:17] Oh, I mean, I'll be talking about my feelings throughout the whole episode.

[00:04:21] So I don't even know how I would sum this up.

[00:04:22] Like I just all I want to say though is how did I know when we were first starting this to choose?

[00:04:29] We were thinking of an intro and I was like, I think I got an idea.

[00:04:33] And then I sang the Get Happy.

[00:04:35] Yeah.

[00:04:37] When it came to the ends with the Holy Harmonizers playing that song.

[00:04:42] Yeah, happy.

[00:04:44] I was like, holy.

[00:04:46] I was like, how did I know this song would because Jason, you were like, I don't know if it should be that song.

[00:04:49] I don't know if Judgment Day is like, if you always want to start off a podcast that way.

[00:04:53] And I'm like, I feel like this song though is connected to the show.

[00:04:56] Well, and it really was the first song, I think right in the first scene.

[00:05:00] I think the very first song that kicks off the whole series.

[00:05:03] Yeah.

[00:05:05] And I wonder if because it's it's a spiritual about dying get ready for the Judgment Day.

[00:05:10] It's get happy so they're trying to make it happy but it's getting ready for death.

[00:05:13] And so I wondered if the writers intended the whole time for one of these main characters to die.

[00:05:19] Who knows, maybe not because it was already going to be about death with Jen's husband and everything.

[00:05:23] But anyway, we also talked about what's our sign off for this podcast going to be because we have Don't Get Bit for Walking Dead and you know, so and so is Strange Indeed for Strange Indeed.

[00:05:34] And you also wanted to have Get Ready for the Judgment Day.

[00:05:37] And I was like, that sounds like you're telling people to get ready to die every week.

[00:05:43] I don't know.

[00:05:45] That was like a it was a fleeting suggestion but I definitely don't.

[00:05:48] I'm glad we decided to do the way we did.

[00:05:50] I'm glad we did too.

[00:05:52] I'm glad it's the opening song and it just wraps it up so nicely right now.

[00:05:54] That's cool.

[00:05:56] Yeah, but as I was like watching, I was like preparing for this podcast.

[00:06:00] I was just thinking, I really feel like this podcast has been for me more than anything.

[00:06:07] It's very nice whoever's been listening.

[00:06:09] Thank you for listening.

[00:06:11] I really thank you.

[00:06:13] But this is for me because I love this show so fucking much.

[00:06:17] It is a deep one for me.

[00:06:19] I feel this show in it floweth through my veins.

[00:06:23] Like it's a part of me and it's very intense.

[00:06:26] My connection to it.

[00:06:27] And yeah, I feel like I'm really glad that I have had you guys to get through the season three because if I had to watch this season finale alone, it would like unsettle me in a way that no season finale has unsettled me.

[00:06:43] I would feel a loss when it was over.

[00:06:47] So I'm really glad that I get to have closure with you guys right now about it and like talk about it.

[00:06:52] Yeah, me too.

[00:06:53] I mean, it started off as your thing and I'm really glad you brought it to us.

[00:06:58] But I also feel really connected with it now.

[00:07:01] It's so good on so many levels that really speak to me personally.

[00:07:05] And I think a lot of listeners who are hearing us right now are probably feeling the same way that they're glad to have us at the end here to kind of be the friends of heaven and everything.

[00:07:16] Yeah, friends of heaven join us.

[00:07:19] Our little support circle here.

[00:07:21] Gather round.

[00:07:22] And grief is a continuum.

[00:07:24] It goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on that we got another friends of heaven.

[00:07:32] And he said grief is love with nowhere to put it.

[00:07:36] And I thought that was really, really poignant actually.

[00:07:42] And I thought these episodes were beautiful and so moving and sad but just perfect, you know.

[00:07:48] I thought they were amazing, really, really good.

[00:07:52] Great ending to the series.

[00:07:54] I know I think I saw a list of series with bad endings and I was scrolling down and I saw a dead to me was in there and I scrolled right past because I didn't want to get spoiled.

[00:08:04] I hadn't seen this yet but I didn't go back and look but I'm presuming it's just because some people don't like sad endings and so they consider that bad, right?

[00:08:13] And the main character died.

[00:08:15] Well, some people don't like ambiguity too.

[00:08:16] People are very averse to it.

[00:08:18] I presume it's more about just death of Judy but maybe you're right.

[00:08:23] I didn't go back and look but nobody wanted Judy to die.

[00:08:26] No, but I feel like storytelling wise it was just so great.

[00:08:33] It felt like if she had somehow gone to the clinical trials and had a miraculous recovery, it wouldn't have fit.

[00:08:42] That would have been a cheap escape.

[00:08:44] Nope, this show is called dead to me.

[00:08:48] People die, that's life.

[00:08:50] Yeah, I mean it's a show about loss so we needed to lose something too.

[00:08:55] Grief, yeah, that's right.

[00:08:57] And luckily Linda Cardelline is still around so.

[00:09:01] Yeah, you know.

[00:09:03] She's kicking it.

[00:09:05] I can't wait to see what she does next.

[00:09:08] Yeah, I don't know what she's going to do.

[00:09:10] So let's get into our points Jade.

[00:09:13] Moment to die?

[00:09:15] Oh yeah, I'm sorry.

[00:09:17] Yeah, so it's the moment that I literally, I had so many favorite moments and I had written down a bunch of them like, okay, this has got to be my moment to die for.

[00:09:29] Oh no, okay, no, this is I'm dying right now.

[00:09:31] Like this is my moment to die for like either I'm dying in a good way or I'm dying and like, oh, I'm dying but then there was a literal moment where I every time I watched it and then rewatched it.

[00:09:43] And I died.

[00:09:45] I mean, I just it was so good and it was just this moment which happened which happens with Jen when she is in the car and she's having her Judy vision and she is saying now I know why you love this car right?

[00:09:59] I'm so glad it's yours now.

[00:10:01] Thank you.

[00:10:02] She says thank you to her and she turns her head back to look at the road and she takes an intake.

[00:10:08] She like gasps in air and her bottom lip quivers and her eyes are filled with tears and holy shit I lose my shit.

[00:10:17] I can't not cry at that moment you guys.

[00:10:19] I can't not it is so what, what she's doing what Christina Avalgate is doing in that moment is just like it the acting is incredible.

[00:10:30] It is her finest moment that I've ever seen her act and then she says to the cat, you okay back there Sammy?

[00:10:39] We're going to be okay.

[00:10:41] And she looks down at the baby we're going to be okay just don't piss in my back seat and then get happy starts playing and I'm like this moment.

[00:10:48] Yes.

[00:10:50] Did you think Judy was really there for a second?

[00:10:53] No, no, no.

[00:10:55] I could tell I could tell immediately that it was like a dreamy.

[00:10:57] Well, they said that dream song comes in.

[00:11:00] Oh dream or whatever it is.

[00:11:02] Yeah, allowing my baby's arms.

[00:11:04] And I love this song.

[00:11:06] Yeah, she's like I know you do.

[00:11:08] Didn't look tired.

[00:11:09] She looked rosy.

[00:11:10] You know, she looked.

[00:11:11] Yeah, you could tell the Judy we first met.

[00:11:13] The way she was filmed.

[00:11:14] Yeah.

[00:11:15] And she was wearing the moonstone necklace I noticed which I thought was really.

[00:11:18] Oh really?

[00:11:19] I didn't catch that.

[00:11:20] I'm shocked.

[00:11:21] But you guys know what I mean like it's that moment when she turns her head back and she like gasps in.

[00:11:26] And she's like, yeah.

[00:11:28] Yeah.

[00:11:29] And I just I just saw one of the many times I cried watching these.

[00:11:34] Oh yeah.

[00:11:35] But on like even on rewatch, I was like, OK, I'm just rewatching it.

[00:11:38] Like, you know, I'll I put it on and then I kind of had to go back and forth just to take notes and stuff.

[00:11:43] And every single time I saw that moment it like shot through me like an arrow, you know, I died.

[00:11:49] I literally died.

[00:11:51] That was the moment that makes me well up.

[00:11:54] And then when Charlie hugs Jen when she gets in the church is when I lose it.

[00:11:59] That's what I'm like.

[00:12:01] Oh, it killed me.

[00:12:04] Yeah, sorry, mom.

[00:12:06] Yeah, like when she walks everything after the after that moment that is beautiful and it's just this mounting sort of mix of beauty and sadness.

[00:12:17] Right.

[00:12:18] And then she's like, oh, you know, you can tell she's thinking like Judy's here in this moment.

[00:12:22] Yeah.

[00:12:23] And and I'm like holding it together, you know, and then when she sits down and then of course, Lorna won't let her sit down because Lorna is a narcissistic nightmare.

[00:12:32] And she's like, oh, I have to have the aisle or whatever.

[00:12:34] But then I mean, I'm sorry.

[00:12:37] And I get nauseous.

[00:12:38] I get nauseous.

[00:12:39] Yeah.

[00:12:40] What does this mean?

[00:12:41] It's not a plane.

[00:12:42] All right, well, I'm sorry.

[00:12:43] I'm sorry.

[00:12:44] I'm sorry.

[00:12:45] I'm sorry.

[00:12:46] What does this mean?

[00:12:47] It's not a plane.

[00:12:48] All right, Lorna.

[00:12:49] I know.

[00:12:50] She's she's not, you know, seven months pregnant or anything.

[00:12:53] So it's just such a weird thing.

[00:12:56] Yeah, the Charlie hug and the look on his face of like, you know, I know my mom is sad and put all the bullshit teenager stuff aside and just be here for her is really beautiful to me.

[00:13:07] It gets me.

[00:13:08] That's when I lose it.

[00:13:10] What's your moment to die for?

[00:13:14] Mine is when they have the face off with the Greeks by the side of the highway and Judy, like, was all bad.

[00:13:21] That was mine.

[00:13:22] Yeah, it's so hilarious.

[00:13:24] She's just like, right?

[00:13:26] She first she's like, I need my medicine and they're all like, oh, let her get her medicine.

[00:13:31] Like she plays them.

[00:13:33] And then and then she says to Jen, like, don't worry, I got this.

[00:13:36] And just like, it's like she's so confident.

[00:13:38] She knows exactly what to do.

[00:13:40] And then afterward, she's like, I feel like I really came into my own in the last 10 minutes.

[00:13:44] Oh, what did you say when she pointed the gun at him?

[00:13:48] She says, um, she says, do what I fucking said, please.

[00:13:53] Yeah, please.

[00:13:55] Drop your guns and then they go, you're not going to use that.

[00:13:58] And then she shoots out the tires.

[00:14:00] Oh, it's so great.

[00:14:01] Is that an homage to another movie because it felt like a little deja vu.

[00:14:06] I mean, it was their Thelma and Louise moment, man.

[00:14:09] Yeah.

[00:14:10] Well, the Thelma and Louise definitely when they were holding hands.

[00:14:13] Yeah, the hand class.

[00:14:14] That's a Thelma and Louise moment.

[00:14:16] But is that also a Thelma and Louise moment?

[00:14:18] Like looking down the gun and looking straight ahead.

[00:14:20] Dude, okay.

[00:14:21] I'm right there with you, Penny.

[00:14:22] And the shoot bang bang tires and then the car like thumbs down.

[00:14:26] I know.

[00:14:27] I feel like I've seen that before.

[00:14:28] I felt like I'd, yeah, I totally had that thought when I first saw it.

[00:14:32] Yeah, there were a lot of intentional homages in, in especially episode 10.

[00:14:37] But I couldn't tell if that was one or not.

[00:14:40] And I was like, I can't watch every movie in preparation for the podcast.

[00:14:43] So I'll just have to guess and go.

[00:14:45] Come on, Penny.

[00:14:46] So lazy.

[00:14:47] They could write in, but we won't have any more podcasts.

[00:14:50] So we can't know ever.

[00:14:52] That's not completely true.

[00:14:54] Okay.

[00:14:55] It's not completely true.

[00:14:56] You're right.

[00:14:57] But I do want to say one more thing about the Thelma and Louise connection.

[00:14:59] I just like loved how it was very, I mean, clearly Judy is like Thelma

[00:15:04] and, and Jen is Louise.

[00:15:06] And it's that moment in Thelma and Louise when you realize that Thelma

[00:15:10] actually is like more of a badass than Louise, you know,

[00:15:13] it did the same thing to me when I was like, what is happening right now?

[00:15:16] You know, it was a very.

[00:15:17] Thelma's Gina Davis, right?

[00:15:19] Yeah.

[00:15:20] And Louise is the other one.

[00:15:22] Is Susan Sarandon.

[00:15:23] Susan Sarandon.

[00:15:24] Yeah.

[00:15:25] Yeah.

[00:15:26] Okay.

[00:15:27] Mine.

[00:15:28] Well, I need to preface mine with the whole thing about Judy

[00:15:32] loving the water where she's really focused on that a lot.

[00:15:36] This, these two episodes, if this is all the time I have left,

[00:15:39] I want to spend it swimming in the ocean and hugging the people that I love.

[00:15:42] And she says her best memories with Steve were at this beach house in

[00:15:46] Mexico and she really wants Jen to come out in the water on the boat,

[00:15:50] which boat we think of the dream and probably death.

[00:15:53] And Jen's nervous about it.

[00:15:55] And she, she does go out, but we don't see it.

[00:15:57] She says, I'm not sure.

[00:15:58] I don't know.

[00:15:59] And she, she does go out, but we don't see it.

[00:16:02] She says she's been out on the water and then we see them in the boat.

[00:16:05] I'm like, oh shit, they're out there.

[00:16:07] But then it turns out they're just on the sand next to the water.

[00:16:10] And then she tells the story or maybe it was before about how she

[00:16:14] used to go out on the water with her uncle Paul who may have

[00:16:17] actually been her father.

[00:16:18] And she said, and when I was out on the water, it was the most

[00:16:21] free I ever felt.

[00:16:23] So then the morning, my moment to die for the morning after Judy

[00:16:27] had revealed she's in a lot of pain and they tell each other,

[00:16:30] they love each other and everything that what we just played

[00:16:32] at the beginning of this episode.

[00:16:34] Jen wakes up and Judy's gone and she sees the note and she

[00:16:39] looks out and sees the boat on the water with nobody in it

[00:16:43] and Judy's footprints going out to it.

[00:16:46] And that moment was just, I thought so perfectly done.

[00:16:51] It was chilling and sad, but triumphant at the same time

[00:16:54] and beautiful.

[00:16:55] Just all these things wrapped up in the one, you know what

[00:16:57] happened, but we don't need to see it.

[00:16:59] It felt like that was such a private moment for Judy to be

[00:17:02] able to choose how she left this world and to leave it all.

[00:17:07] I'm glad we never saw her on a boat, just leave it all in

[00:17:09] our mind or don't even think about it if we don't want to,

[00:17:12] you know, but to know it happened.

[00:17:14] I don't know.

[00:17:15] It's just felt very artfully done and great.

[00:17:18] And that I mean, we'll talk about it more why she would

[00:17:21] do that, but I thought it was really good.

[00:17:24] And it looked just like the painting, didn't it?

[00:17:27] Probably.

[00:17:28] That little sailboat.

[00:17:29] Yeah.

[00:17:30] I didn't go back and look at that painting that Judy did

[00:17:32] for the doctor.

[00:17:33] I should have, because no, it was a painting of her boat,

[00:17:36] wasn't it?

[00:17:37] I went back and looked at the dream from the first

[00:17:41] episode with Judy and Jen on the beach.

[00:17:45] It was like a little sailboat.

[00:17:47] Yeah.

[00:17:48] But you know when they're on the beach finally in this

[00:17:50] episode, we're finally on vacation and it looks like

[00:17:52] it came right out of the dream.

[00:17:54] But if you put them side by side, they're very close,

[00:17:57] but not exact.

[00:17:58] It's a different beach.

[00:17:59] They have the same color clothes on, but not the same

[00:18:02] outfits.

[00:18:03] The same.

[00:18:04] Lounge chairs that look very similar, but not the same.

[00:18:06] So I like that it was very similar, but not exact.

[00:18:10] And in the dream, right?

[00:18:12] Judy finds a shell, but it turns out to be the

[00:18:14] bird.

[00:18:15] The bird.

[00:18:16] Oh, that's right.

[00:18:17] The bird weapon.

[00:18:18] Yeah.

[00:18:19] No, I was going to say the shell that she picks up in

[00:18:20] the dream, I think is the same shell.

[00:18:22] It's just a shell.

[00:18:23] This time it's a nut sack.

[00:18:24] Yeah.

[00:18:25] Or a garlic.

[00:18:26] Yeah.

[00:18:27] No offense, nut sack.

[00:18:28] Yeah.

[00:18:29] Yeah.

[00:18:30] Yeah.

[00:18:31] All right.

[00:18:33] Shall we go into our points?

[00:18:35] Let's do it.

[00:18:36] Penny.

[00:18:37] This episode or these two episodes, we saw several

[00:18:41] confessions and you know the first or the

[00:18:47] biggest one is of course, Judy's.

[00:18:49] Well, I guess the first one is Jen telling

[00:18:51] Moranis that she's pregnant with Steve's baby.

[00:18:54] And I'm glad she didn't try to poison him.

[00:18:57] They did do that little fake out moment with him.

[00:19:00] But she was right.

[00:19:02] That was a really clever plan.

[00:19:04] It can't be disproven that she was sleeping with

[00:19:08] Steve and probably if they check the DNA of the

[00:19:11] baby since it's Ben's baby, it would look like

[00:19:13] Steve's baby.

[00:19:14] I don't know.

[00:19:15] I just thought it was a really clever idea.

[00:19:17] I was wondering that about the DNA thing because

[00:19:19] their brothers would the DNA and they're like twins.

[00:19:22] I don't know our twins DNA like they're near identical.

[00:19:24] So maybe not.

[00:19:26] I don't know.

[00:19:27] Okay.

[00:19:28] So the DNA wouldn't exactly match up because I was

[00:19:30] like that actually might work and would be

[00:19:32] really clever.

[00:19:33] But she could just say she was sleeping with them.

[00:19:35] Yeah.

[00:19:36] Good.

[00:19:37] But of course, Judy's decision to confess to

[00:19:41] the murder of Steve to Nick, I thought the

[00:19:44] whole scene was really beautiful.

[00:19:46] Right.

[00:19:47] First she collects evidence or whatever of those

[00:19:51] birds from the safe and then she takes them to Nick

[00:19:55] and then she tells him the story and he says like

[00:19:59] why tell me?

[00:20:01] Why didn't you go to the FBI and try to strike a

[00:20:03] plea?

[00:20:04] And she says, I thought it would be easier telling

[00:20:07] a friend.

[00:20:08] And the look on Nick's face is like he drops

[00:20:11] all his resentments about Judy.

[00:20:13] Like he just is like, oh.

[00:20:16] And then, you know, Jen figures out what Judy's

[00:20:20] up to and flies in and tries to talk her out of it

[00:20:23] and then she makes the deal with Nick.

[00:20:26] And then Nick confesses to Perez that he agreed

[00:20:29] to let Judy go because he didn't want to send

[00:20:32] Judy Hale to die in prison.

[00:20:35] And if that makes him a bad cop, fine.

[00:20:37] And of course we know Perez has a similar

[00:20:39] soft spot.

[00:20:41] And so she's like, you know, Moranis isn't going

[00:20:43] to find out.

[00:20:44] And if being human makes you a bad cop, then they

[00:20:47] need to rethink the whole thing.

[00:20:49] And that's how we find out Moranis is dead, which

[00:20:51] was super convenient and closed, looped everything

[00:20:54] up really nicely.

[00:20:56] Were there other confessions that I didn't catch?

[00:20:59] I guess Jen confessed to Ben that she's pregnant

[00:21:03] and it's his.

[00:21:04] And Ben pleading guilty is a little bit like

[00:21:07] a confession and.

[00:21:10] Well, the very next line after the series ended.

[00:21:13] Yeah.

[00:21:14] Yeah.

[00:21:15] Whatever it is, Jen's about to say would count

[00:21:17] as a confession.

[00:21:19] I'm pretty sure we all know what she's going

[00:21:21] to say and I am fucking hoping so because that

[00:21:24] was the one thing that when we got to the

[00:21:26] end, I would kept checking the time and I'm

[00:21:28] like, why hasn't she told it?

[00:21:30] Why hasn't she?

[00:21:31] Jen.

[00:21:32] Yeah, he left.

[00:21:33] Forgetting something here.

[00:21:35] And then at the pool scene, I was like, wait,

[00:21:37] wait.

[00:21:38] So does he know what is happening?

[00:21:40] What is happening?

[00:21:41] And I was very concerned the whole time.

[00:21:42] It was almost distracting me.

[00:21:43] And then at the very end, they ended it in

[00:21:46] such a great way because they didn't make

[00:21:48] it sentimental.

[00:21:50] Yeah.

[00:21:51] And they did because you know, and I

[00:21:52] realized, you know how always at the

[00:21:54] very end of every episode, there's that

[00:21:56] like ominous like the mystery continues

[00:21:59] kind of music because they always leave

[00:22:01] us on a cliffhanger like every episode

[00:22:03] they leave us on a, oh no, you know,

[00:22:05] so you got to watch the next one.

[00:22:07] And they still, yeah, they still found a

[00:22:09] way to do it and have that music at

[00:22:11] the season finale.

[00:22:12] And it would have been so easy to make

[00:22:14] the ending cheesy and wrapped everything up.

[00:22:17] Yeah, like you probably love that, right?

[00:22:19] Because you've said before that you like

[00:22:21] mystery but then when the mystery is

[00:22:23] solved, then you're kind of, there's

[00:22:25] a little bit of disappointment.

[00:22:27] So here they leave us with a little

[00:22:28] open ended.

[00:22:29] You don't really know for sure.

[00:22:30] But let me tell you what happened right

[00:22:32] to that is she told him that she killed

[00:22:34] Steve and then they had a really hard

[00:22:36] time getting through it and then they got

[00:22:38] through it and they were happily ever after.

[00:22:39] So that's how it ends.

[00:22:40] Is it?

[00:22:41] Yes.

[00:22:44] Thank you, good to know.

[00:22:45] Just so you know.

[00:22:48] I thought that Jen's...

[00:22:50] I mean I'm with you.

[00:22:53] Jen's speech to Judy

[00:22:56] when they're sort of arguing in the

[00:22:59] holding room was amazing.

[00:23:01] The argument between them.

[00:23:03] Jen says, do you even care what

[00:23:05] happens to you?

[00:23:06] You're fucking drowning and I'm the only one paddling here.

[00:23:08] And Judy says, stop, stop fucking paddling

[00:23:11] and listen to me.

[00:23:12] This is my life and I can do with it

[00:23:14] what I want.

[00:23:15] And then a couple of seconds later,

[00:23:17] I'm dying, okay?

[00:23:18] I know you don't want to hear that

[00:23:19] but that is actually what is happening

[00:23:21] and this is a way out for both of us.

[00:23:25] Jen says, I can't lose you.

[00:23:26] I need you.

[00:23:27] And Judy says, I will be there

[00:23:29] no matter where I am.

[00:23:30] I will always be there, okay?

[00:23:33] That was another crying moment for me.

[00:23:35] I was just like, I'll always be there.

[00:23:38] It was very ET.

[00:23:40] But I thought it was really beautiful

[00:23:42] and it was another weeper.

[00:23:44] But now I'm done with confessions.

[00:23:45] Okay.

[00:23:47] My first one is Judy's outlook

[00:23:50] in the face of death.

[00:23:52] And we see her first thing

[00:23:55] skating along the boardwalk

[00:23:58] or whatever with a big smile on her face.

[00:24:00] And there's a peppy song playing

[00:24:02] and she gets,

[00:24:03] she's going to get a small ice cream

[00:24:04] but fuck it, she gets a big one

[00:24:06] and a waffle cone.

[00:24:07] And then we see her telling.

[00:24:09] Yeah, waffle cone.

[00:24:10] Yeah, just go for it.

[00:24:11] Then we see her.

[00:24:12] I mean nothing's better than a waffle cone.

[00:24:14] I know.

[00:24:15] We see her telling Jen, she's terminal.

[00:24:19] And I think I was right last time

[00:24:22] when she left the doctor's office.

[00:24:25] I think she knew she was terminal

[00:24:26] when she was walking out of that doctor's office

[00:24:28] at the end of episode eight.

[00:24:30] I think so too, Jason.

[00:24:31] I changed my mind.

[00:24:33] From the beginning of this episode

[00:24:35] she seems at peace with it.

[00:24:37] Yeah, me too.

[00:24:38] Me too.

[00:24:39] Yeah.

[00:24:40] You know, both these episodes

[00:24:41] she's very,

[00:24:43] she's accepted her lot

[00:24:45] and she's now figuring out,

[00:24:47] okay, what do I want my last days to be like?

[00:24:49] And she says the odds of the chemo working

[00:24:51] were always low.

[00:24:52] It's okay, I've accepted it

[00:24:55] and she doesn't want to do this clinical trial.

[00:24:57] As you just said, Penny,

[00:24:58] I want to do the, you know, live my life the way I want.

[00:25:00] And she says if I,

[00:25:02] if this is all the time I have left,

[00:25:03] I want to spend it swimming in the ocean,

[00:25:05] hugging the people I love.

[00:25:06] And she does.

[00:25:07] She goes on vacation.

[00:25:09] They're serenaded at this restaurant,

[00:25:12] you know, dancing

[00:25:14] and just having joy

[00:25:16] and they're hugging and telling each other

[00:25:18] that they've had the best time

[00:25:19] and change each other's lives

[00:25:20] and love each other.

[00:25:22] And I love that she doesn't want to have any regrets.

[00:25:25] She says,

[00:25:27] God, I haven't been on a road trip in so long

[00:25:29] or eating Doritos.

[00:25:30] Why aren't we always just eating Doritos?

[00:25:32] Why didn't I do so many things I wanted?

[00:25:34] Like why did I ever not eat bread?

[00:25:36] Why did I ever shave my legs?

[00:25:38] Why didn't I have sex with everybody constantly?

[00:25:40] Herpes.

[00:25:41] Why was I worrying about being good?

[00:25:44] Well, we're being bad now baby.

[00:25:46] And it's really interesting to think about that

[00:25:48] someone who knows they're going to do that

[00:25:50] and knows they're going to die

[00:25:52] and just thinking about how they wish they would have lived

[00:25:55] and now deciding to do it.

[00:25:58] And she also doesn't want,

[00:26:01] she tells Jen,

[00:26:02] I don't want it to be like it was with your mom

[00:26:04] seeing her suffer.

[00:26:05] So she's going to live on her terms

[00:26:07] and she's going to die on her terms.

[00:26:09] And I just thought that was so admirable

[00:26:12] and great.

[00:26:14] And I hope you guys will

[00:26:18] indulge me for a little bit,

[00:26:19] but this is a bit of an aside,

[00:26:21] but her attitude in this

[00:26:23] of wanting to live life on her terms

[00:26:25] reminded me of Steve Jobs'

[00:26:27] amazing Stanford commencement speech

[00:26:29] in 2008.

[00:26:31] Have you guys seen that?

[00:26:33] I have, but it was, yeah.

[00:26:35] It's incredible.

[00:26:36] And I'm just going to read a small part of it

[00:26:38] that he read at the end because he had cancer

[00:26:40] and he thought he was in remission

[00:26:42] and then he got it back and he died,

[00:26:44] but this was in that middle period.

[00:26:46] He said,

[00:26:47] When I was 17, I read a quote that went something like,

[00:26:49] If you live each day as if it was your last

[00:26:51] someday, you'll most certainly be right.

[00:26:53] It made an impression on me and since then

[00:26:55] for the past 33 years,

[00:26:57] I've looked in the mirror every morning

[00:26:58] and asked myself if today were the last day of my life,

[00:27:00] would I want to do what I'm about to do today?

[00:27:03] And whenever the answer's been no for too many days in a row,

[00:27:05] I know I need to change something.

[00:27:07] Remembering that I'll be dead soon

[00:27:09] is the most important tool I've ever encountered

[00:27:11] to help me make the big choices in life

[00:27:13] because almost everything,

[00:27:15] all external expectations, all pride,

[00:27:17] all fear of embarrassment or failure,

[00:27:19] these things just fall away in the face of death,

[00:27:22] leaving only what is truly important.

[00:27:24] Remembering that you're going to die

[00:27:26] is the best way I know to avoid the trap

[00:27:28] of thinking you have something to lose.

[00:27:30] You're already naked.

[00:27:31] There's no reason not to follow your heart.

[00:27:33] Your time is limited so don't waste it

[00:27:35] living someone else's life.

[00:27:37] Don't be trapped by dogma which is

[00:27:39] living with the results of other people's thinking.

[00:27:41] Don't let the noise of others' opinions

[00:27:43] drown out your own inner voice.

[00:27:45] And most important, have the courage

[00:27:47] to follow your heart and intuition.

[00:27:49] They somehow already know what you truly want to become.

[00:27:51] Everything else is secondary.

[00:27:53] I mean, I just watched that every once in a while

[00:27:55] to remind myself.

[00:27:57] That's incredible.

[00:27:59] Thank you for sharing that.

[00:28:01] Will you send me that video

[00:28:03] because I really would love to watch that whole speech?

[00:28:05] Yeah. It's like 15 minutes long.

[00:28:07] It's really good.

[00:28:08] I'll put it in the show notes if people are curious.

[00:28:11] Judy just reminded me of all that

[00:28:13] at the end here.

[00:28:14] I think

[00:28:16] she maybe did a pretty good job

[00:28:18] of living life on her own terms already

[00:28:20] but she was a lot apologetic

[00:28:22] a lot and I'm sure,

[00:28:24] as she says,

[00:28:25] why did I do things this way?

[00:28:26] Everybody has regrets.

[00:28:27] We all do.

[00:28:28] But anyway,

[00:28:30] I was inspired by her in both of these episodes for sure.

[00:28:34] Yeah.

[00:28:35] I agree.

[00:28:36] Okay, Jade.

[00:28:39] I'm like, man, it was,

[00:28:41] I have nothing to add.

[00:28:42] It's so good.

[00:28:46] Yeah, I guess

[00:28:47] I'm like,

[00:28:48] I don't know what I want to talk about next

[00:28:49] because my points are so all over the place.

[00:28:51] I have a point that's just basically amazing friendship moments.

[00:28:54] Yeah, I want to hear that.

[00:28:56] Let's do the friendship point.

[00:28:57] It's just kind of me talking,

[00:29:00] making notes of,

[00:29:01] it's like,

[00:29:02] I have like nothing,

[00:29:04] it sounds really,

[00:29:05] it makes for a terrible podcasting,

[00:29:07] but like, I have nothing to say.

[00:29:09] It's just so good.

[00:29:10] I just want to be saying like,

[00:29:12] God damn it wasn't this just so good.

[00:29:14] And the way that it gave us closure

[00:29:16] was so incredibly satisfying

[00:29:20] because all we want to see, right?

[00:29:22] Like, I don't think that many people watch this show

[00:29:24] for the mystery.

[00:29:26] I feel like we're watching for the character.

[00:29:28] Not me.

[00:29:29] We're watching for this.

[00:29:30] You're here for the mystery?

[00:29:31] No, no, I'm not.

[00:29:32] You're here for the cops.

[00:29:33] I know that

[00:29:34] I know that the cop storyline

[00:29:35] really intrigues you, Jade.

[00:29:37] I'm totally agreeing with you.

[00:29:38] I'm not the mystery is fun,

[00:29:40] but it's the least thing that I care about.

[00:29:43] Yeah, it's just the catalyst, right?

[00:29:44] That drives the plot forward.

[00:29:45] It wouldn't be the same show without it.

[00:29:46] Yeah.

[00:29:47] And they really know how to misdirect you

[00:29:48] in fun ways that are fun,

[00:29:50] but I'm here for the characters

[00:29:52] and the, you know,

[00:29:53] the truth,

[00:29:54] the human truths and things like that.

[00:29:57] The mystery is like the breadcrumb trail

[00:29:59] that our heroes are kind of following.

[00:30:01] But what we really love

[00:30:02] are like the high jinks

[00:30:03] and shenanigans that these two get into.

[00:30:05] And we're just kind of living vicariously through them

[00:30:09] seeing this amazing, you know,

[00:30:11] friendship goals kind of friendship just play out.

[00:30:14] And it is truly one of the greatest friendships

[00:30:18] I've ever seen portrayed on film

[00:30:21] or on television, you know?

[00:30:23] It is Thelma and Louise level.

[00:30:25] Like it is that good, these two.

[00:30:28] To start off with them being kind of awkward around coffee

[00:30:31] and Judy asks for a hug and Jen says no.

[00:30:35] And end up in bed crying together,

[00:30:38] saying they love each other and have it fully make sense.

[00:30:41] You know?

[00:30:42] And there's such a deep, deep bond.

[00:30:45] It's incredible.

[00:30:47] I love it.

[00:30:48] Yeah.

[00:30:49] It's incredible.

[00:30:51] So yeah, my first point under here is one petty already covered.

[00:30:55] You're fucking drowning and I'm the only one paddling.

[00:30:57] And that part,

[00:31:00] I love the Jen arc that we kind of got out of that

[00:31:04] where Jen is at first in huge denial.

[00:31:06] You're going to be fine.

[00:31:07] I'm going to get you.

[00:31:08] Nope, there's options.

[00:31:09] Like let's get you into a clinical trial

[00:31:10] and Jen is doing the thing that she's kind of always doing

[00:31:13] in her life, which is like,

[00:31:14] I'm the only one taking care of everyone.

[00:31:16] And Judy is like, stop, you need to stop.

[00:31:19] You need to focus on yourself.

[00:31:20] You're having a baby.

[00:31:22] And Judy keeps pulling it back around to

[00:31:25] you've got a man, a good man.

[00:31:27] Well, he's kind of in jail right now,

[00:31:29] but he's going to get out of jail and he'll be there

[00:31:31] and your boys and your family.

[00:31:33] And it's not going to be about me anymore

[00:31:36] and you need to start to be okay with that.

[00:31:38] And it's the way it's what I was saying

[00:31:40] that I wanted Jen to start doing is kind of getting

[00:31:45] her boys mindset in Judy might not make it.

[00:31:50] That there's a very, very real possibility

[00:31:54] that she is not going to be around much longer

[00:31:56] and you need to start to acquaint yourself with that notion

[00:31:59] before it, you get the rug kind of pulled out from under you

[00:32:02] and I feel like Judy's starting to do that there

[00:32:05] and she tells her, I can't lose another person.

[00:32:07] My kids can't.

[00:32:08] I need you in this baby's life.

[00:32:10] I need you.

[00:32:11] And she says, I will be there no matter where I am.

[00:32:13] I will always be there.

[00:32:14] And yeah, that's where the tears really started to flow for me.

[00:32:17] And then the next moment that I had

[00:32:20] and jump in if you guys have any other like amazing,

[00:32:23] just terrific friendship moments that you wanted to add.

[00:32:26] These are the ones I came up with.

[00:32:27] But when they're in the car at the end of episode nine,

[00:32:31] you wanted to take a vacation forever, right?

[00:32:33] See, I listen and she gets her house hat.

[00:32:35] My house hat.

[00:32:36] I love that part.

[00:32:38] And that see, I listen goes back to

[00:32:41] Yeah.

[00:32:42] When she wait, didn't she say that once before?

[00:32:46] Was it when Judy was upset that they didn't get

[00:32:48] to commemorate Steve's death?

[00:32:50] Wasn't there was definitely I was hoping that

[00:32:54] one of you would remember where it came from

[00:32:56] because it felt like it was a callback from something.

[00:32:59] Yeah.

[00:33:00] But I couldn't remember what I'm sure like listeners

[00:33:03] are screaming at us.

[00:33:04] It's this right now.

[00:33:05] Maybe when they were in the bar that night, you know,

[00:33:07] and after or the Jen took her out for a drink to talk about

[00:33:11] Steve, but I'm not sure.

[00:33:13] Yeah, it might have even been more recent.

[00:33:15] It might have been like from this season.

[00:33:17] I can't, I was trying to remember, but I couldn't.

[00:33:20] So, and then, okay, I had another moment that I was like,

[00:33:22] what is happening here when Jen had the idea for Judy to

[00:33:26] when they were sitting outside in the sailboat

[00:33:29] because Jen didn't want to take the boat out and she's like,

[00:33:32] thank you.

[00:33:33] I'm nauseous enough.

[00:33:34] And Judy's like, thanks for trying though.

[00:33:36] Like it's the idea.

[00:33:37] It's the thought that counts.

[00:33:38] So they're just sitting in their little boat on the sand

[00:33:40] and it was Jen Jen's like, wait,

[00:33:42] what if you died in the clinical trial

[00:33:45] and then we stay in Mexico and we can bring the boys

[00:33:47] and we'll have the baby here and Judy's like,

[00:33:50] what?

[00:33:51] And then just never tell Ben.

[00:33:52] And she's like, you can't let that baby grow up

[00:33:54] without knowing its father.

[00:33:56] Trust me.

[00:33:57] And she was about to say it creates a hole in your heart

[00:33:59] and we're starting, we were talking about

[00:34:01] we never got Judy's backstory about her father.

[00:34:04] I think that Jason, you were asking about that.

[00:34:06] Like did we ever really hear anything about Judy's father

[00:34:08] and we just know that she never had a father.

[00:34:10] So that was cool.

[00:34:11] Like you were talking about that she might have

[00:34:14] actually known her father, but she doesn't not sure.

[00:34:17] But she was about to say it creates a hole in your heart,

[00:34:19] which kind of ties up that question of like,

[00:34:22] why does Judy paint these little girls

[00:34:24] with holes in their hearts?

[00:34:25] And I just thought that it was so poignant obviously,

[00:34:31] especially with that beginning clip that we played

[00:34:34] when she says you filled the hole in my heart.

[00:34:36] It's just so meaningful because we know how deep this goes

[00:34:39] with Judy, you know?

[00:34:40] And it is, she thinks because she didn't have parents.

[00:34:45] I mean, she had a mother kind of like not really at all,

[00:34:49] but she had no father and Jen came into her life

[00:34:52] and was that kind of her person that started to make her feel

[00:34:57] or show her that she has this worth

[00:35:00] that no one has acknowledged before

[00:35:02] and that she hasn't really acknowledged.

[00:35:03] You know, it was just beautiful.

[00:35:04] And then so then, but then that led me to believe

[00:35:07] I was like, Jen, do you know how hard it is

[00:35:09] to fake someone's death?

[00:35:10] I mean, what are you thinking?

[00:35:11] And she said like, it's not a really complete plan.

[00:35:14] It's a plan, but I was like, eh,

[00:35:18] what if you died in the clinical trial?

[00:35:20] I was like, how is that gonna not exactly the easiest thing

[00:35:24] to make someone's death?

[00:35:25] I think too, there were a few lines.

[00:35:26] I'm going to say some more later maybe,

[00:35:28] but in this, these two episodes that felt like

[00:35:31] what they were talking through in the writer's room,

[00:35:33] they put it in the character's mouths, you know,

[00:35:35] like at the end when she has her baby

[00:35:38] and it's Joey and Linda's like,

[00:35:39] why didn't you name her Judy?

[00:35:41] And well, this isn't a Hallmark movie.

[00:35:42] I feel like they probably have that conversation in the writer's room.

[00:35:44] That was a writer's room comment.

[00:35:45] Yep, totally.

[00:35:46] You're so right.

[00:35:47] Was that the first time Linda has talked?

[00:35:51] No, she said a few words before.

[00:35:53] Yeah, she just says, yeah, she says like one line drops little bombs in there.

[00:35:59] And for a second, dude, when I saw the blood with, you know,

[00:36:02] when they were sitting in the sailboat,

[00:36:03] I thought Jen was about to have miscarriage.

[00:36:05] I was like, uh-uh, I am not here for this.

[00:36:07] Y'all, this is not okay.

[00:36:09] You cannot do this to me.

[00:36:10] Like that, no, that baby needs to happen.

[00:36:13] And it did.

[00:36:14] And the whole thing, seeing with the obstetrician and whatever.

[00:36:17] Yeah, so that was, it's a girl like a she.

[00:36:21] Yeah, so she goes, um, well, and first of all,

[00:36:24] why did Judy keep a secret that she could speak Spanish?

[00:36:29] Just never came up.

[00:36:30] Yeah, I don't think it was a secret.

[00:36:32] But you've been in Mexico,

[00:36:33] you've been in Mexico for a minute.

[00:36:35] No, Jen says like,

[00:36:36] have you been able to speak Spanish this whole time?

[00:36:39] And I'm like, why haven't you used your Spanish the whole time

[00:36:42] you've been in Mexico?

[00:36:43] Like that was weird to me.

[00:36:44] I was like, no, they just drove right to the beach house.

[00:36:47] They didn't have a chance to use it yet.

[00:36:49] Oh yeah, I guess they've only been there for a few days too.

[00:36:51] I don't know.

[00:36:52] I don't know.

[00:36:53] But it was just funny to see like Jen be like,

[00:36:55] okay, so you speak Spanish.

[00:36:57] Really?

[00:36:58] When were you going to tell me?

[00:36:59] Like it was hilarious.

[00:37:00] Judy's full of surprises.

[00:37:01] Yeah, she really is.

[00:37:02] And this, this, these last two episodes,

[00:37:04] you really got a lot of surprises out of Judy that I loved.

[00:37:07] Like you really come into your,

[00:37:08] came into your own last 10 minutes.

[00:37:10] But you were going to say about the, the,

[00:37:12] Yeah, so the,

[00:37:13] so they're in the obstetricians office and he,

[00:37:16] then yeah, Judy gets that it's a girl.

[00:37:19] And she says, she's a girl.

[00:37:21] I mean, I'm not going to say I wasn't hoping for a girl

[00:37:23] because I don't even know what I was hoping for.

[00:37:25] And gender is like so fluid these days.

[00:37:27] So Lucy goosey, you know?

[00:37:28] Or no, she didn't say fluid.

[00:37:30] She said the gender is so Lucy goosey these days,

[00:37:32] but damn was I hoping for a girl.

[00:37:33] I mean, it's not like boys aren't fine.

[00:37:35] Oh yeah, they're great, but girls are better.

[00:37:37] Obviously the best.

[00:37:39] Obviously I loved that because my,

[00:37:44] my mama always talks about,

[00:37:45] she's like, I'm so glad I had two girls.

[00:37:47] I have no idea what I would have done with boys.

[00:37:49] And in my family,

[00:37:50] it's like very female dominated.

[00:37:52] Like there are no men in my family.

[00:37:54] And if they, if there were,

[00:37:56] then a lot of them have died.

[00:37:58] So it's kind of, it's just,

[00:37:59] we are very strong women in my family.

[00:38:02] And we have the conversation like this,

[00:38:04] like all the time where I was like girls are just better.

[00:38:07] I always wanted girls.

[00:38:09] And I never knew my father

[00:38:12] and I didn't have a lot of strong male role models, one kind of.

[00:38:16] But um, and so I was a little nervous about,

[00:38:19] oh, if we have boys,

[00:38:20] am I going to know what to do?

[00:38:22] I kind of wanted to have girls.

[00:38:24] And so of course I got two boys,

[00:38:26] but I would not trade them for anything, of course.

[00:38:30] At least you didn't learn any bad examples of how to be a father.

[00:38:34] Right?

[00:38:35] Oh yeah, I did.

[00:38:36] I mean, yeah, yeah.

[00:38:37] I did.

[00:38:39] I try not to follow him.

[00:38:41] Yeah.

[00:38:44] Okay, what else?

[00:38:45] So I have more.

[00:38:46] Is it okay if I keep going?

[00:38:47] Yes.

[00:38:48] It's kind of a long point.

[00:38:49] I'm sorry.

[00:38:50] Go for it.

[00:38:51] My next one is when they're dancing to the mariachi band,

[00:38:53] which was the last big smile moment of the whole episode.

[00:38:57] And I just loved this moment

[00:38:58] because we all love a Jen and Judy dance moment, you know?

[00:39:01] Especially when Jen protests and then gets into it.

[00:39:04] Yeah.

[00:39:05] Yeah.

[00:39:06] And Jen was like singing and she's like,

[00:39:08] blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:39:10] It was so funny.

[00:39:14] And then, okay, one of the greatest friendship,

[00:39:16] I just said the out loud to myself,

[00:39:18] Judy is such a good friend.

[00:39:20] When they find the Mustang,

[00:39:22] Judy is like so, she feels so,

[00:39:24] she had no idea it was there,

[00:39:25] but she feels so bad

[00:39:26] and she's like profusely apologizing

[00:39:28] because she realizes that this is a huge trigger for Jen.

[00:39:31] And she goes,

[00:39:32] you want a golf club?

[00:39:33] And she just grabs,

[00:39:34] she's like maybe she just smashed it,

[00:39:35] maybe it'll make you feel better here.

[00:39:36] Like go ahead.

[00:39:37] And Jen's like, no, no, it's a really nice car.

[00:39:41] It's a classic.

[00:39:43] Yeah, but it's okay to hate it.

[00:39:44] How can I hate it?

[00:39:46] It brought you to me.

[00:39:47] Oh, just you guys.

[00:39:49] I am going to cry right now.

[00:39:50] Yeah.

[00:39:51] Man.

[00:39:52] It was beautiful sitting there too.

[00:39:53] Yeah.

[00:39:54] I felt like.

[00:39:55] That was shiny.

[00:39:56] And she touched the part where that hit Ted.

[00:39:59] So it's just a car.

[00:40:01] And she's like, it looks like nothing ever happened.

[00:40:04] Yeah.

[00:40:05] That was a great full circle moment

[00:40:07] to bring the car back at the end.

[00:40:09] And that was the key that we were all like,

[00:40:10] what is this key?

[00:40:11] Yeah, because it's an old car key.

[00:40:13] That's why we're like,

[00:40:14] that doesn't look like a car key,

[00:40:15] but maybe on 66 Mustang.

[00:40:17] Yeah.

[00:40:18] Well, car keys all now are like plastic,

[00:40:21] you know, or like some of them

[00:40:23] didn't have car keys.

[00:40:25] Yeah, my mind is just like one of those.

[00:40:27] Use my phone.

[00:40:28] It's like a plastic fob that you can,

[00:40:31] you know, click to lock things.

[00:40:33] But anyway, but yeah, I just loved it.

[00:40:35] It was like one of my favorite moments

[00:40:37] when Judy's like, you want a golf club?

[00:40:39] I was like, you're so sweet.

[00:40:41] You get Jen so well, you know.

[00:40:44] But of course, when someone's ready to hand her one,

[00:40:46] then of course that's the moment she's feeling at peace

[00:40:48] and doesn't want to do it.

[00:40:50] Then when Judy or Jen gets the call that Moranis is dead

[00:40:57] and she's like, we can go back now.

[00:40:59] And she's like, Nick still has my confession.

[00:41:02] We could just scuttle that.

[00:41:03] I don't think it's scuttleable.

[00:41:04] Fine, then just tell him you made it up or something

[00:41:06] or that the Greeks tried to kill you

[00:41:08] and another writer's room moment, you know,

[00:41:10] like this probably is, but just technically not a lie.

[00:41:13] And she goes, I don't think I'm starting to believe

[00:41:16] in a higher power because shit,

[00:41:18] I am throwing up as I say it,

[00:41:20] but the timing is divine.

[00:41:22] Divine?

[00:41:24] Yeah.

[00:41:25] And then she realizes how much in how much pain Judy's been in

[00:41:29] and that moment made me think of Shelly so much.

[00:41:35] My friend who died of cancer

[00:41:37] because I remember the moment.

[00:41:40] I was pretty young.

[00:41:42] I was like a teenager when she was still alive.

[00:41:46] And I remember the moment that I realized how much pain

[00:41:49] she was really in.

[00:41:50] Like I saw it on her face because her pain meds

[00:41:53] had like worn off and she or she was trying to take less

[00:41:56] of them or something and her bones,

[00:41:58] the cancer was in her bones and like her bones

[00:42:00] would like crunch like her bones were like mush basically.

[00:42:03] You know, it was just you could like hear it,

[00:42:05] you know?

[00:42:06] And I, it was just such a,

[00:42:08] it was like one of those moments of my life

[00:42:10] that will always, I will never forget.

[00:42:13] It's like so, it's so vivid.

[00:42:15] It feels like it happened yesterday, you know?

[00:42:17] And so when that moment, it just flashed me right back.

[00:42:19] I was like, whoa.

[00:42:21] And Judy says she's not going back.

[00:42:25] She's gonna stay a permanent vacation.

[00:42:28] And she's like, what do you mean?

[00:42:30] I'm not leaving you.

[00:42:31] No, you're not leaving me.

[00:42:32] I'm staying.

[00:42:34] And that ties into the end, I think,

[00:42:40] which we'll get to.

[00:42:42] I'm just gonna probably say more about that at the end because

[00:42:44] I think it kind of, I didn't know that there's some debate

[00:42:47] about what happened to Judy at the end.

[00:42:49] And I think that that line might have like a clue in it.

[00:42:51] So I will come back to it,

[00:42:53] but it was just a beautiful friendship moment.

[00:42:56] I mean, I just presumed that Judy went out on the boat

[00:43:00] and drowned herself.

[00:43:02] Yeah.

[00:43:04] So I think she did.

[00:43:06] Yeah.

[00:43:07] Because she didn't want to waste away, you know?

[00:43:10] She didn't want to suffer or be a burden.

[00:43:15] Yeah, I know a lot of people have said that

[00:43:17] they think that Judy took the boat out

[00:43:19] and she just, she probably left Jen a note saying

[00:43:22] I didn't want to be here to say goodbye to you

[00:43:24] face-to-face or whatever.

[00:43:26] So I'm, you know, we're like,

[00:43:28] they already said they're goodbyes,

[00:43:29] but I'm not going to see you again or something.

[00:43:32] Like people are thinking that she just kind of left

[00:43:34] so that Jen could leave

[00:43:35] and she wouldn't have to be seeing her

[00:43:37] so that there was no real goodbye officially.

[00:43:39] But that Judy is still alive.

[00:43:41] And I'm like, I really don't see how you get that out of this

[00:43:44] because the end everyone is saying to Jen,

[00:43:47] I'm so sorry.

[00:43:48] Like it's clear that she called them on the drive home

[00:43:50] and said, yeah, Judy's not...

[00:43:52] Well, there's her footprints,

[00:43:54] the boat prints going into the water.

[00:43:56] The boat is out there.

[00:43:57] She had been talking about wanting to be on the boat.

[00:44:00] Yeah, it's, I think it's pretty clear.

[00:44:02] Yeah.

[00:44:03] Yeah.

[00:44:04] But I know a lot of people watch this.

[00:44:07] They're in denial.

[00:44:08] And did not get that Judy died.

[00:44:10] I'm like, I don't know how you don't get that, but okay.

[00:44:12] Interesting.

[00:44:13] And so then in that same moment,

[00:44:15] they are like hugging each other and they're like,

[00:44:18] oh, want to watch our favorite show?

[00:44:20] And it's the same episode of the facts of life

[00:44:23] as it was in season two before Jen invites Judy back.

[00:44:26] And she's like,

[00:44:27] I think this is the one where

[00:44:28] Toody makes up a pretend boyfriend

[00:44:30] and Judy says what Jen said before,

[00:44:32] fucking toody.

[00:44:33] Fucking toody.

[00:44:34] It was great.

[00:44:36] And yeah, the moment then that I like,

[00:44:40] this probably should have been,

[00:44:41] I think this happened before

[00:44:43] when I've had the best time with you.

[00:44:45] You filled the hole in my heart.

[00:44:46] It was shut up.

[00:44:47] I love you.

[00:44:48] I love you so much.

[00:44:49] You changed my life.

[00:44:50] That was the moment that I truly died.

[00:44:52] Like I could not hold it together.

[00:44:55] And those kind of moments,

[00:44:57] if they come on a lot of shows,

[00:45:00] they come when they're not earned or too early

[00:45:04] or I guess it's the same thing.

[00:45:06] They feel melodramatic.

[00:45:08] But in this case,

[00:45:10] it's so right for that moment that they're in

[00:45:14] that it's just moving as fuck, man.

[00:45:18] Like that's where we,

[00:45:20] that's where I took my ugly cry picture.

[00:45:22] I'm pretty sure.

[00:45:23] Yep.

[00:45:24] Watching that one.

[00:45:25] I'm pretty sure that was where I,

[00:45:27] actually no, I know I took mine in the car moment.

[00:45:29] That moment I said my moment to die for.

[00:45:31] Because no, like it is, it's that,

[00:45:33] for some reason that moment where Jen is alone in the car,

[00:45:38] that's the saddest moment to me because it's her.

[00:45:41] The loss, yeah.

[00:45:42] Oh God.

[00:45:43] And her bottom lip is just quivering.

[00:45:45] Yeah.

[00:45:46] For sure.

[00:45:47] And she's alone.

[00:45:48] She's alone with you, Sammy.

[00:45:49] Sammy the cat.

[00:45:51] And okay, and if you're watching on YouTube,

[00:45:54] you can see I am donning my cat ears

[00:45:57] because as you,

[00:45:58] I'm sure have heard me say if you've listened to me

[00:46:00] on any podcast, I feel like it comes up like on every podcast.

[00:46:03] Like I am a cat, so there's that fact about me

[00:46:06] and I have many cat ears.

[00:46:08] So I wore my cat ears for this special occasion

[00:46:10] and it's just another way that I am Judy

[00:46:12] because her spirit animal is a cat.

[00:46:15] I think is kind of insinuated, right?

[00:46:17] I think so.

[00:46:18] I mean, I also thought.

[00:46:19] Jen takes the cat.

[00:46:20] The cranes too, but yeah.

[00:46:22] Yeah.

[00:46:23] I mean, there's a lot of bird metaphors

[00:46:24] and bird in the tree throughout the whole show.

[00:46:28] I just feel like that Sammy being the thing that she takes,

[00:46:32] it's like the thing that lives on.

[00:46:34] You know, like just when she sees that cat.

[00:46:37] I thought, well, I have a whole thing about Jen.

[00:46:40] I think I'll wait to say what I had to say.

[00:46:42] Yeah, that's the end of my point.

[00:46:44] Penny.

[00:46:45] Thank you for indulging my long point.

[00:46:47] Yeah.

[00:46:48] I'm going to jump off from that

[00:46:50] and talk about some of the great friendship stories

[00:46:56] in our culture and the homages.

[00:46:58] I mean, there was the very clear homage to Thelma and Louise

[00:47:01] in episode nine and the hand clasp.

[00:47:04] That's like a famous shot from Thelma and Louise.

[00:47:07] There was the scene about the outlaw names

[00:47:10] where Jen has that hilarious moment

[00:47:13] where she's like, oh fuck, I'm bitch Cassidy

[00:47:16] and I'm like, that's the best name ever.

[00:47:19] I was like jealous of it.

[00:47:20] So Jen.

[00:47:21] Yeah.

[00:47:22] I was trying to think of ones for you, for us.

[00:47:24] Penny Pinter.

[00:47:25] No.

[00:47:26] No.

[00:47:27] Jason Jolline.

[00:47:29] And then, I'm P-Money.

[00:47:34] That's my nickname.

[00:47:35] Oh, nice.

[00:47:37] And then of course the Sundance Kid for the baby, so cute.

[00:47:41] And then three 10, you know, in episode 10,

[00:47:45] there's a very, very clear homage to Beaches

[00:47:48] which is one of the great Weeper movies of all time, right?

[00:47:52] It makes you cry like really ugly cry.

[00:47:55] Yeah.

[00:47:56] And they played that song, Glory of Love,

[00:47:58] that's a weepy song.

[00:48:01] And I got to thinking about other great,

[00:48:03] like best friend movies and stories.

[00:48:07] And I was thinking about like Shawshank Redemption is one.

[00:48:13] Boys on the Side.

[00:48:16] Romeo and Michelle's High School Reunion,

[00:48:19] one of my all time favorites, Booksmart.

[00:48:22] And I figured you guys might think of a couple of other ones.

[00:48:26] But it's usually like stories about best friends are comedies, right?

[00:48:33] They're like played for laughs.

[00:48:36] But this and Beaches and Thelma and Louise all have these like sad endings.

[00:48:44] And I don't know.

[00:48:47] Stand by Me came to my mind.

[00:48:48] Yeah.

[00:48:49] That's a good friendship.

[00:48:50] River Phoenix and Will Wee.

[00:48:52] Oh, yeah.

[00:48:54] And Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants.

[00:48:57] I've never seen it, but that's my understanding of that movie.

[00:49:01] But yeah, the sadness that I was feeling about Judy dying

[00:49:07] and Jen's loss was sort of compounded by thinking about how much

[00:49:12] the movie Beaches made me cry too.

[00:49:15] So I was like having this like double sob moment during the Glory

[00:49:20] of Love song where I was like sad again about Barbara Hershey dying

[00:49:25] and then sad about Linda Cardellini dying.

[00:49:29] And there was also a cat at the beach in that movie

[00:49:33] that Bette Midler has to adopt.

[00:49:35] And I love that Bette Midler song.

[00:49:37] No way.

[00:49:38] Yeah, yeah.

[00:49:39] Houncer, The Wonder Cat.

[00:49:41] Fly, fly.

[00:49:43] Man, I don't think I've ever seen Beaches all the way through.

[00:49:45] I've seen many scenes from it, but it's like on my list.

[00:49:48] I just, I don't know.

[00:49:49] And it's crazy because it's a very me kind of film

[00:49:52] and it's just, it's just, it's on my list

[00:49:54] and I'm definitely going to see it.

[00:49:56] Now I'll push it more toward the top.

[00:49:58] It's one of those cry movies.

[00:50:00] Like a Brian song.

[00:50:02] That's another one that'll make you cry.

[00:50:04] Yeah.

[00:50:06] I don't know if I can take it for a minute now.

[00:50:08] I think for this I'm going to need me some comedy.

[00:50:11] Maybe a mystery.

[00:50:13] Have you guys seen the movie The Banger Sisters?

[00:50:16] Glass Onion.

[00:50:17] No.

[00:50:18] No, I haven't even heard of it.

[00:50:19] I've heard of it, but I haven't seen it.

[00:50:20] Oh my God.

[00:50:21] It is so good.

[00:50:23] It's with Susan Sarandon.

[00:50:24] She does it again and Goldie Hawn

[00:50:26] and they have this friendship dynamic

[00:50:28] that is very similar to,

[00:50:30] they're just two total opposites.

[00:50:33] And yeah, it's just, it's a great film.

[00:50:36] Sounds great.

[00:50:37] Anyone who's seen it will be like, yep.

[00:50:39] It doesn't end sad.

[00:50:41] It's a really, yeah, they're great together.

[00:50:45] And yeah, it doesn't end sad.

[00:50:47] It's kind of, it's a little suspenseful,

[00:50:50] but it's definitely a comedy.

[00:50:52] It's great.

[00:50:53] Yeah, I want to check that out.

[00:50:55] It was a short point.

[00:50:56] I'm done.

[00:50:57] Okay.

[00:50:58] My turn.

[00:50:59] Let's see.

[00:51:00] Jen keeping Judy in her life.

[00:51:03] So of course Jen doesn't want to lose Judy.

[00:51:06] She's lost her mother and her husband,

[00:51:08] but she also just loves Judy.

[00:51:10] And at first she's,

[00:51:13] I mean, I want to say she's in denial,

[00:51:16] but I'm kind of on her side.

[00:51:18] Like get her into the clinical trial.

[00:51:20] I was almost kind of like,

[00:51:22] why didn't they at least try?

[00:51:23] You know, I felt like that.

[00:51:25] But because Judy says it's more intense

[00:51:28] than the other treatment that I did.

[00:51:30] So a lot to put yourself to do.

[00:51:31] Do it.

[00:51:32] Probably and probably you got to understand.

[00:51:34] There's that part where you're just like,

[00:51:36] what if, you know, I mean, that's how I,

[00:51:39] like I totally, like I said,

[00:51:41] I totally admire Judy for just no going out on her own terms.

[00:51:44] But there's that part of me.

[00:51:46] So I don't want to,

[00:51:47] I guess I just don't want to be too judgmental of Jen

[00:51:49] for really pushing this.

[00:51:51] And then, you know, when Judy confesses falsely to Nick

[00:51:55] and Jen's with her in the prison and she's pissed

[00:52:00] and she had gotten her into the trials

[00:52:03] and Judy's like, no, I don't want to do it.

[00:52:05] And then, but finally Jen accepts it.

[00:52:10] And so they're going to use the three weeks,

[00:52:12] the time they've been given by Nick to go on this trial

[00:52:14] to go to vacation instead,

[00:52:15] which Judy's been saying she wanted.

[00:52:17] And she's see I listen.

[00:52:20] And then at this point,

[00:52:22] I feel like Jen has accepted that Judy's going to die.

[00:52:26] She's maybe she's not thinking about it,

[00:52:28] but she's given up on the idea of this trial.

[00:52:32] And so then once she's done that,

[00:52:34] she's kind of internalizing Judy like keeping her with her

[00:52:40] however she can.

[00:52:42] And that's what, you know, like when Jen says

[00:52:44] I can't lose another person and Judy says

[00:52:46] I will be there no matter where I am.

[00:52:48] I'll always be there.

[00:52:49] Okay.

[00:52:50] And so then I think the biggest gesture of like

[00:52:55] she brought the cat back.

[00:52:56] That's part of it after she hated the cat.

[00:53:00] So funny how much she was scared of that cat.

[00:53:03] Come on, but then she's got the biggest gesture of is

[00:53:09] doing what Judy's been trying to get her to do,

[00:53:12] telling Ben that she killed Steve.

[00:53:14] So we see Ben and the kids playing in the pool all happy

[00:53:18] and Jen sitting poolside with her new little baby.

[00:53:21] And I'm thinking like you Jade way when it there's only

[00:53:25] a couple minutes left.

[00:53:26] What about confessing about Steve?

[00:53:28] That's unfinished.

[00:53:29] We can't leave that unfinished.

[00:53:31] And then when it shows Ben going down into the pool,

[00:53:34] I'm like, okay, they know that too because every time we've

[00:53:37] seen James Marsden go into the pool,

[00:53:40] it means something about that.

[00:53:43] And then Ben goes over to her and he's so happy

[00:53:47] and he's like, I made a lot of mistakes and I don't

[00:53:49] even deserve this and you're basically perfect.

[00:53:51] And she's like, you don't really know me.

[00:53:53] And then she says, I have to tell you something

[00:53:56] and that's it.

[00:53:57] And I love that ending because it's a very dead to me

[00:54:00] moment and on a confession.

[00:54:02] And also the show so much about guilt and secrets

[00:54:05] and how they affect relationships and then ultimately

[00:54:08] someone taking responsibility and hoping at least

[00:54:12] that the relationship will withstand it.

[00:54:15] And it's also for Jen about just the relief of taking

[00:54:20] some responsibility finally for what she did,

[00:54:23] which kind of echoes what Ben said on the phone

[00:54:25] when he called from jail.

[00:54:26] He's like, it feels good to take some responsibility,

[00:54:29] which is also a good sign from Ben by the way

[00:54:31] that he's improving, you know, that he's,

[00:54:33] he did need to take some responsibility for how he was being.

[00:54:37] I thought it was good that they didn't drag it out

[00:54:42] and show Jen and Ben working through this.

[00:54:45] For one thing we've already seen Judy and Jen

[00:54:48] work through something like that.

[00:54:49] So it would feel repetitive.

[00:54:52] But also I just think I assume they will work through it

[00:54:57] because of all the things Judy said,

[00:55:00] she said, if you ever want to have the possibility

[00:55:02] of a real life with him,

[00:55:03] you have to be honest about everything.

[00:55:05] You deserve to be happy and you and I both know

[00:55:07] that can't happen if you're living a lie.

[00:55:09] She said he deserves to know all of it

[00:55:11] and then maybe he can process it

[00:55:12] and that'll take a minute,

[00:55:14] but maybe you guys can have a life together.

[00:55:16] And she said, you promise me don't let that baby grow up

[00:55:20] without knowing its father.

[00:55:22] And right before she confesses,

[00:55:26] she gets deja vu when Ben says,

[00:55:28] nice to meet you, I'm Ben.

[00:55:30] And that's a reminder

[00:55:31] because her and Judy have been talking about deja vu before.

[00:55:33] So that just shows that she's got Judy on her mind here.

[00:55:38] And so the reason why I'm bringing all this stuff up

[00:55:40] with Ben and a point about how Jen keeps Judy with her

[00:55:45] is I really think that it's Judy's influence

[00:55:48] that gets her to finally take responsibility

[00:55:52] and confess and just hoping that Judy's right

[00:55:55] that her and Ben will be able to work through it.

[00:55:58] And I think they will and we don't really need to see that,

[00:56:01] but it is cool also that there's the possibility

[00:56:04] that they won't and that just leaves it

[00:56:06] sort of tantalizing to think about

[00:56:08] and imagine our own heads,

[00:56:09] what we think might have happened, you know?

[00:56:11] Well, what do you think is going to happen?

[00:56:13] Like what do you guys think Ben's reaction is going to be?

[00:56:18] I mean, shock, anger, sadness.

[00:56:23] I imagine he'll be tempted to drink.

[00:56:26] Maybe he'll call Nick as a sponsor.

[00:56:30] I think he will be able to forgive Jen

[00:56:33] and come to a place where they can be together

[00:56:37] because, you know, he knew Steve was a bully jerk

[00:56:41] and maybe if he really knows how Steve died

[00:56:45] and the pain that Jen and Judy went through around that,

[00:56:50] he can stop feeling guilty

[00:56:52] because he has this like misplaced guilt about Steve's death.

[00:56:56] He was sad, but he also had all this shame and guilt about it

[00:57:01] and it might make him feel like closed about that.

[00:57:06] Yeah, like he could let go of the guilt

[00:57:09] and maybe sometimes when you can't forgive yourself for things,

[00:57:14] forgiving someone else can get you there

[00:57:17] and maybe forgiving Jen

[00:57:21] and understanding what happened

[00:57:23] and what she went through will help him forgive himself

[00:57:26] for some of the crappy things he's done in life.

[00:57:32] What do you think?

[00:57:33] I mean, I'm just so excited the fact that...

[00:57:36] I really don't think that there's anything else

[00:57:38] that we can think that she's about to say.

[00:57:40] Like this is exactly what it is that she's about to say.

[00:57:42] So I'm just very excited

[00:57:45] that this will be really good for their relationship.

[00:57:49] I think it'll be really good for Jen too

[00:57:51] because this has been tearing Jen up this whole season.

[00:57:55] Two seasons, yeah.

[00:57:57] Yeah, two seasons exactly.

[00:57:59] Jen, for someone who keeps so many secrets,

[00:58:02] she don't do well with secrets.

[00:58:04] They don't sit well with her.

[00:58:05] I feel like Judy does them much better surprisingly than Jen.

[00:58:09] Jen is not smooth when she's got holding on to something.

[00:58:13] It's like she's very obvious.

[00:58:15] And I feel like if it were anybody but Ben,

[00:58:17] who is like Mr. so sweet and kind of head in the clouds,

[00:58:22] Ben, if it were anybody else,

[00:58:24] they would have like, what is going on?

[00:58:26] What are you keeping from me?

[00:58:27] What is happening here?

[00:58:28] They would have seen something about Jen.

[00:58:30] But the fact that they've gone this long

[00:58:33] and Ben's still just like, that was no idea.

[00:58:35] He thinks she's perfect.

[00:58:37] Yeah.

[00:58:38] And that's the thing that gets her.

[00:58:40] She's like, yeah, to go and say that.

[00:58:43] She said one of my favorite lines when he said,

[00:58:46] you're basically perfect.

[00:58:48] And she goes, have you met me?

[00:58:50] I say that to people all the time.

[00:58:52] Because I think it's hilarious when somebody says something

[00:58:55] about you that's just way off base.

[00:58:58] I'm always like, have you met me?

[00:59:00] Like when she said it, I was like, that's me.

[00:59:04] That's what I would have said.

[00:59:05] Yeah.

[00:59:06] Anyway, when you took that test, Penny,

[00:59:08] were you a Jen or a Judy?

[00:59:09] I can't remember.

[00:59:10] I was a Judy.

[00:59:12] I don't really think I'm either of those two characters.

[00:59:17] Like, I just...

[00:59:19] Yeah, no me neither.

[00:59:20] You know, I relate to both of them in a lot of different ways.

[00:59:24] But I identify a lot more from a personality perspective

[00:59:29] with Perez.

[00:59:30] Yes.

[00:59:33] Totally.

[00:59:34] Although I think I'm a better liar than her.

[00:59:36] Perez is the worst liar I've ever seen in my life.

[00:59:38] She's the worst liar ever.

[00:59:40] Such a bad liar.

[00:59:42] So my next point, little point is about Perez

[00:59:45] because you were talking about Perez.

[00:59:47] So I love how Nick, first of all, like this scene with them,

[00:59:52] I love how Nick feels bad about Ben going to jail.

[00:59:55] And we see kind of how they're both friends

[00:59:58] with these people.

[00:59:59] Like Perez has a soft spot clearly for Jen and Judy

[01:00:03] and like Nick is like, oh my God, you're friends with her.

[01:00:06] And she's like, no I'm not.

[01:00:07] I don't like her.

[01:00:08] What are you talking about?

[01:00:09] I hate that bitch.

[01:00:10] And she says the same thing to like what?

[01:00:14] You're friends with the guy.

[01:00:15] Like well we're friendly, you know.

[01:00:17] And so I forget how they get into it

[01:00:21] but they have this really funny moment

[01:00:23] that made me laugh out loud.

[01:00:25] What is it that Nick says to Perez?

[01:00:27] And she's like, can you calm down?

[01:00:29] And she's like, can you just sit down?

[01:00:30] I'm sitting.

[01:00:31] Stop talking.

[01:00:32] I'm on my way to the seat.

[01:00:34] That was my favorite.

[01:00:35] Yeah, so Nick is at Perez's desk.

[01:00:38] He figures out that she's friends with Jen

[01:00:41] and he stands up and he goes, oh my God,

[01:00:45] you're friends with her?

[01:00:46] No I'm not.

[01:00:47] That was it.

[01:00:48] That's why every time I bring her up as a suspect

[01:00:49] you jump through the fence.

[01:00:50] No I don't.

[01:00:51] You're doing it now.

[01:00:52] No I'm not.

[01:00:53] I'm not doing it.

[01:00:54] Relax.

[01:00:55] Can you sit down?

[01:00:56] I'm sitting.

[01:00:57] Stop talking.

[01:00:58] You're not sitting.

[01:00:59] You're not sitting.

[01:01:00] What's the answer to that?

[01:01:02] So I'm like, you know what,

[01:01:05] let her sit down and she'll go down.

[01:01:06] Don't move your legs.

[01:01:07] You're sitting on the floor.

[01:01:08] You're sitting right down.

[01:01:09] You have to sit.

[01:01:10] Can you stand fixed up?

[01:01:11] And she's like, well,

[01:01:12] I can't stand still.

[01:01:13] So I'm gonna start this,

[01:01:15] so I'm gonna go down with me and she'll have

[01:01:16] to stay.

[01:01:17] Let me just sit on her chair.

[01:01:19] You know what she says.

[01:01:20] She says, you know what?

[01:01:22] She'll say, just stop talking.

[01:01:23] I'm just going to go down.

[01:01:24] Yeah, I'm so excited to be your friend.

[01:01:28] the place. The way he says it. Oh, Brandon Scott, I love you so. And okay, so we have

[01:01:39] this whole thing, Nick waits to send Judy to the FBI. He says it's only three weeks.

[01:01:45] So I loved the whole thing with Perez and Nick, how they both kind of have like a secret

[01:01:51] now and they're both more or less aware. They're on the same wavelength there.

[01:01:55] Yeah. And Nick has now done something not as bad as Perez. Perez has done a lot of

[01:02:01] covering up of evidence, obviously, but like he's they're a little more I'm like, oh,

[01:02:05] now they both have a secret. You know, breaking the rules because they

[01:02:08] yeah want to be more decent human beings.

[01:02:11] And it felt like a moment where their relationship jumped to another level.

[01:02:17] Like we just had a glimpse of it, but it seems like

[01:02:20] it solidified them as like sort of future partners and future friends.

[01:02:25] You know, it gave a little bit of closure to Perez losing Michelle and Nick losing whoever

[01:02:32] was the best friend that he lost. I also thought maybe Perez might have appreciated that Nick

[01:02:40] when he broke the rule, he went straight to her and told her and said, I know I can get

[01:02:45] fired. That's what happens, you know, so be it or whatever he said. And it is true that

[01:02:52] what she did is a bigger deal because she let well, I don't know, it's almost the same thing.

[01:02:59] Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So anyway, I think that might have impressed her and

[01:03:04] she, you know, felt more like an admiration for him.

[01:03:09] For some reason, I don't know why it feels like Perez's situation was worse.

[01:03:14] I don't know why it feels that way. Just because it went on for longer.

[01:03:17] Why does it feel that way? Just because we saw more of it on screen.

[01:03:20] And also Nick gives her that tracker and says she needs to be back here in three weeks.

[01:03:27] I mean, that's a little thing, but he's not letting it go forever.

[01:03:29] Yeah, Nick tells someone else in the police station immediately too, whereas Perez kept it

[01:03:34] completely to herself and still is keeping it to herself. She still hasn't told Nick.

[01:03:38] Nick does not find out. I just think it's a big deal that Nick is not letting Judy go forever.

[01:03:43] He's letting her go for a little while to get treatment, but Perez wanted to let Jen get away

[01:03:48] with it. Yeah. And then she, I mean, in this, I don't know which episode it was in, but she

[01:03:53] stole evidence from Miranda's hotel room and was going to burn it.

[01:03:57] Okay, yes. This is what I'm going to say. This is why actually, I think Perez is the

[01:04:02] worst one because this is an added thing that she does and doesn't tell anybody.

[01:04:06] What was she doing with that lighter fluid and Ben's file? I was like, what is happening here?

[01:04:11] And then Ben gets out of jail and he says good behavior. And I was like,

[01:04:14] of course, Ben would get out on good behavior. He's like the best behaved little.

[01:04:17] So Jen said too, of course. Yeah, just like, of course.

[01:04:20] That was fast though because he was in prison for three weeks.

[01:04:24] Like that's a fast sentence for a hit and run.

[01:04:27] It's TV logic, ba, ba, ba, ba. We don't care.

[01:04:34] Yada, yada.

[01:04:35] Yeah. So, but no, did he get out of jail because

[01:04:41] the Perez burned his file or what is going on here? Like what do we think?

[01:04:46] No, because he was in prison for the hit and run and he confessed and he did a plea deal.

[01:04:52] So it had nothing to do with the file. The file was about Steve's murder.

[01:04:57] She was burning all the evidence that Miranda said collected about Steve's murder. So like

[01:05:03] the DNA and the reports and the, yeah. Okay. All right.

[01:05:07] She said she went over there. She told Nick she went over there to

[01:05:11] tell him everything she knows. I don't know if that's true. There was a lot of misdirection on this

[01:05:16] in this episode to get us to think one thing. So we don't really know for sure if she was

[01:05:20] telling the truth about why she went over there, but we do know that she found the

[01:05:23] place ransacked and the guy dead and I think the Greeks did it, right?

[01:05:26] And so she took advantage of that situation by taking the files on Steve Wood,

[01:05:32] which is another TV logic thing. It's like, okay, there's this big stack of papers and that's

[01:05:36] everything the FBI has. And if you just get rid of that then Jen's in the clear.

[01:05:40] Like it's not digitally saved on the FBI like mainframe.

[01:05:44] No one else in the FBI knows about it.

[01:05:46] Yeah, that was funny.

[01:05:49] I think though that burning the file helped to make it look like the Greeks did both murders

[01:05:55] because the theory was that the Greeks murdered Miranda in ransacked his room.

[01:05:59] And why would they ransack his room unless they were looking for, you know,

[01:06:03] evidence that they wanted to destroy and having the file be gone about Steve just

[01:06:08] lends weight to the theory that they also killed Steve.

[01:06:13] They did kill him, right?

[01:06:16] Steve?

[01:06:16] We know that.

[01:06:17] Oh, Moranis?

[01:06:18] The Greeks killed Moranis.

[01:06:19] It seems very, uh, no, we don't know 100%.

[01:06:24] Okay, this is something that they see Jen in the hotel.

[01:06:28] No, no guys.

[01:06:28] Yeah.

[01:06:29] No, no.

[01:06:31] No guys, guys.

[01:06:32] How does no one see this?

[01:06:34] Perez did not kill Moranis.

[01:06:35] No, I don't believe that Perez killed Moranis.

[01:06:37] No.

[01:06:38] Hello.

[01:06:39] Oh my God, no one sees this except me.

[01:06:41] I really truly, I mean, I firmly 100% believe that what I think is the correct thing.

[01:06:48] It's Judy's mom.

[01:06:51] Hello.

[01:06:52] When they're like, when they're, because it cuts right to her driving away in the car.

[01:06:56] I thought that was misdirection, but I think you're right.

[01:06:59] No, she fucking killed him.

[01:07:01] Who else would do it?

[01:07:02] You're right.

[01:07:03] That is brilliant.

[01:07:04] What a great mom.

[01:07:05] The Greeks were there and we know that the Greeks said that they talked to the FBI agent.

[01:07:11] I can't believe that they had a conversation with him and got him to admit like that,

[01:07:16] you know, whatever he knew about Judy and Jen and then they just left and he was alive.

[01:07:21] Yeah, I think that's right.

[01:07:24] I keep going back and forth.

[01:07:25] I think the Greeks did it and they were just, it was misdirection with Judy's mom.

[01:07:29] Yeah.

[01:07:29] I don't know.

[01:07:31] We don't know.

[01:07:34] Well, I mean, I'm not going to like fight you about it.

[01:07:36] But I feel pretty sure that the Greeks did it.

[01:07:40] Really?

[01:07:41] I did not get that at all.

[01:07:43] I totally got if there was because why bring Eleanor back?

[01:07:47] Why have this whole thing with Eleanor?

[01:07:49] So because they wanted to have a scene with Kelly Bundy and.

[01:07:54] Yeah, which was amazing.

[01:07:55] We can talk about that next.

[01:07:57] But I just felt like, okay, this is a very no, you guys please let me.

[01:08:03] Let me be right because it would be just such better writing and it would make for such a lovely

[01:08:08] summing up of a person of a character arc if this was like the one because she's a horrible,

[01:08:13] horrible, horrible person.

[01:08:14] She just says I was going back to Judy but she says, yeah, at the end she's like,

[01:08:19] I came here to say goodbye to you before you go off to Sonoma and I felt like that was the best she

[01:08:24] could do.

[01:08:25] But I'm not disagreeing with you.

[01:08:27] She took the ankle tracker and she's willing to help Judy like, you know, evade the law.

[01:08:32] I think that was a that was as much as she was capable of.

[01:08:35] And then we also have to believe then if we're believing my theory,

[01:08:39] we have to believe then that they also let her in on, okay, this is what really happened.

[01:08:43] And this is this guy who has all this evidence against us because we did all this stuff

[01:08:47] and they would have to totally unload all of their secrets onto her,

[01:08:50] which I don't know if they would do.

[01:08:52] I would never trust that woman with any secrets, right?

[01:08:54] We know she's a grifter and a user.

[01:08:57] Yeah, we yeah, that's a good point.

[01:08:59] How does she know where to who to kill?

[01:09:02] Yeah.

[01:09:03] Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[01:09:04] They would have to tell her who to kill.

[01:09:07] No, but let me be right anyway.

[01:09:10] Because I haven't just you could be really bummed that I'm not right.

[01:09:14] I don't know.

[01:09:16] But it's not going to help us talking about this.

[01:09:19] I know the way that they framed it, it really led us to believe like who would kill Moranis

[01:09:24] and then cut to.

[01:09:25] Yeah, but I mean, like I mean, I have a whole point on misdirection and stuff.

[01:09:32] And okay, let's go.

[01:09:33] Is it my turn?

[01:09:34] It's not.

[01:09:35] Is it or is it?

[01:09:36] It's I think it is.

[01:09:39] No, after me.

[01:09:40] It's supposed to be.

[01:09:42] Okay, but I'll do it when it's my turn.

[01:09:45] I don't really care.

[01:09:46] I mean, I had a short point just about narcissistic mothers revisiting them.

[01:09:53] Eleanor, when Judy goes to visit her at the halfway house is like completely focused on

[01:09:59] trying to get Judy to help her.

[01:10:00] Right?

[01:10:01] She's not like picking up on anything that Judy is putting out like non verbally.

[01:10:07] And she barely like hears Judy when she says, I love you.

[01:10:11] Right?

[01:10:12] She doesn't respond to that.

[01:10:13] She just like tips her McDonald's at her and you know, she Judy is there for closure.

[01:10:21] Right?

[01:10:21] She wants to say goodbye to her mother.

[01:10:23] She wants to tell her she loves her and she wants to give her the money.

[01:10:25] So her mother will be okay.

[01:10:27] And her mother immediately starts to like spin in her head this story about Judy's

[01:10:32] got a scam going and she's selfish.

[01:10:35] She won't share it with me.

[01:10:36] Right?

[01:10:37] When she comes to Jen's house and Jen, you know, finally says like she has cancer.

[01:10:44] Eleanor doesn't even hear it.

[01:10:45] Right?

[01:10:46] She's like, if she would just give me two weeks and Jen's like, did you hear me?

[01:10:50] She has cancer.

[01:10:51] And then she goes, oh, are you sure?

[01:10:53] Like she's a horrible person.

[01:10:56] Um, and it's just such a contrast to the mothering that Jen and Judy give to

[01:11:03] the boys, right?

[01:11:04] Which is very nurturing and loving and to each other.

[01:11:07] And then at the end we get Lorna with her like, oh, I have to sit on the aisle,

[01:11:12] pregnant lady.

[01:11:13] You have to climb over to the middle and like she doesn't even know Judy's name.

[01:11:18] She's the worst.

[01:11:19] She's the worst.

[01:11:20] It would be nice if Jen would stop lying to her kids so much,

[01:11:23] but otherwise I'm on board with everything you said.

[01:11:25] Yeah, I feel like Jen would just stop lying to everyone so much, including herself.

[01:11:30] I mean, yeah.

[01:11:32] Yeah.

[01:11:32] Jen's got to stop that lying.

[01:11:33] She's lied to Charlie a lot.

[01:11:34] I think Jen has come a long way.

[01:11:36] Um, I wouldn't be surprised if she eventually tells Charlie a little bit.

[01:11:39] Oh yeah.

[01:11:40] But Henry is still so young and naive and sweet.

[01:11:43] Yeah.

[01:11:44] Although he's going really fast like almost overnight.

[01:11:48] Yeah, that was cute.

[01:11:50] Yeah, no, but I want to, I want to, oh my God.

[01:11:53] Yes, that was so, dude, that was, I laughed out loud.

[01:11:56] That was so funny.

[01:11:57] Because he has grown like six over night.

[01:11:59] He's so much taller than he was.

[01:12:01] Because, no, but like in a seas, yeah.

[01:12:04] It's a meta.

[01:12:04] He's so.

[01:12:06] Teenage boys do grow really fast like that.

[01:12:09] At least it doesn't sound like this.

[01:12:11] Yeah.

[01:12:12] Yeah.

[01:12:12] Yeah.

[01:12:12] That'd be funny.

[01:12:13] His voice totally, well, his voice did like get a lot lower, but not much.

[01:12:18] He's really cracked.

[01:12:18] He's, I feel like the kind of little, he's just such a sweet little dainty

[01:12:24] like kind of boy, you know?

[01:12:26] He's a lot better.

[01:12:27] I don't know how deep his voice is going to get.

[01:12:29] Yeah.

[01:12:29] He's just so cute.

[01:12:32] But yeah, there were so many moments when I just wanted to like punch Eleanor in the face

[01:12:37] when she was like, oh, you sure?

[01:12:38] Yes, I'm fucking sure.

[01:12:39] Well, you never know with Judy.

[01:12:41] She said she's a natural, what did she say?

[01:12:43] She's a natural born liar or something or she said something about how she's a little

[01:12:47] liar.

[01:12:48] I didn't write them all down, but she says there are so many moments and I just wrote,

[01:12:51] I fucking hate this woman when she, when she said, I love you.

[01:12:54] She has cancer.

[01:12:55] Yeah.

[01:12:56] And when she said, I love you and she just like tipped her McDonald's beverage at her,

[01:13:00] I was like, I hate you so much.

[01:13:03] And then when I thought she killed Moranis, I was like, I love this woman.

[01:13:07] Perfect.

[01:13:08] Maybe no, I still hate her.

[01:13:10] But she did.

[01:13:11] I mean, I think the best it was the best you're going to get from her.

[01:13:15] But even if she didn't kill Moranis, at least she did come back and wanted

[01:13:20] to say goodbye to her daughter knowing that she was going to die.

[01:13:23] And for her, that was something.

[01:13:26] Although she came back before she knew she was going to die, right?

[01:13:29] She wanted to confront people.

[01:13:30] No, she came back before, but then when she found out, then she was there trying

[01:13:36] to just be helpful and kind, I think.

[01:13:40] It pisses me off so bad though when she comes back and it was funny that Jen

[01:13:44] thought she was Judy from the back.

[01:13:46] They look exactly the same.

[01:13:47] That was funny.

[01:13:48] But she comes back to, I'm like, I don't know.

[01:13:51] I don't understand what she is complaining about here because she gives

[01:13:54] her an envelope full of fucking, a huge envelope full of cash.

[01:13:58] And she's like, she won't help me.

[01:13:59] She won't help her mother because she's got to go with her rich bitch girlfriend to Sonoma.

[01:14:02] I was like, what do you mean help you?

[01:14:04] She gave you money, a lot of it.

[01:14:06] What could be more help than that?

[01:14:08] Now you want to live with her too?

[01:14:10] Like you have a place to stay.

[01:14:12] You're doing fine.

[01:14:13] You have your cat nail thing, which I kept wondering, I kept waiting for that

[01:14:17] to become a thing, her nails.

[01:14:20] Why was that added?

[01:14:21] And the only thing I could think of when she was like, stars, hearts.

[01:14:24] And she's like, they're cats.

[01:14:26] She's like, yeah, I see that.

[01:14:27] And the only thing I could think is that it was foreshadowing for the end

[01:14:31] when there's a cat.

[01:14:32] Yeah.

[01:14:32] I was like, oh, is that what that was about?

[01:14:34] When she was at Jen's house later clicking her nails on the counter,

[01:14:39] I freeze framed it and you can see their cats.

[01:14:42] She did a good job.

[01:14:43] They're kind of star shaped cat faces with the ears and the whiskers,

[01:14:46] but they're clearly cats.

[01:14:47] Yeah.

[01:14:48] It's just narcissists are like a bottomless pit, right?

[01:14:51] Like narcissists are never satisfied.

[01:14:53] They always think you owe them more.

[01:14:57] And so she's like, Judy has money.

[01:15:00] So there's more where this came from and she should share it with me.

[01:15:03] Like that was her motivation to come over there, right?

[01:15:06] She's just, she's a greedy narcissistic monster.

[01:15:09] And the only way to deal with narcissistic monsters

[01:15:12] is to limit your contact and change your expectations

[01:15:16] so that you are no longer hurt when they prove themselves

[01:15:19] to be selfish narcissistic monsters,

[01:15:22] which they will do over and over and over again.

[01:15:24] There's no cure for narcissism.

[01:15:26] It's just who you are.

[01:15:29] Yep.

[01:15:30] And we all have a little narcissism, I have to say.

[01:15:32] Yeah.

[01:15:33] A little is healthy, but when you're a complete narcissist

[01:15:36] like Eleanor and Lorna, it's abusive.

[01:15:40] Yep.

[01:15:41] I'm surprised we didn't get to see Ben's mom again.

[01:15:44] I would have liked to have had a little bit of closure

[01:15:47] on how she's doing.

[01:15:48] I know, huh?

[01:15:49] After the whole thing with her father, they didn't follow up on that.

[01:15:52] Yeah.

[01:15:53] I thought there was a lot of Ben that I could,

[01:15:55] I could use a little more Ben out of the whole 30s and honestly, I could have.

[01:16:00] Yeah.

[01:16:01] But anyway, that's like a small thing.

[01:16:02] Ben calls from jail and says,

[01:16:06] I got to tell you this where I know that there's stuff between us

[01:16:09] and I've messed up, but I don't want to let any time pass

[01:16:13] before I tell you that I love you.

[01:16:15] And I was thinking back to last week when I was saying he should have done that

[01:16:21] before even in the face of her stonewalling and he didn't have the courage,

[01:16:26] but this time he did.

[01:16:27] And I thought that was brilliant.

[01:16:29] And it was probably better timing anyway

[01:16:31] because she was way more receptive to it on the phone.

[01:16:33] And then she said, then they cut the call off and she goes,

[01:16:37] I love you.

[01:16:38] And also I am pregnant and I killed your brother.

[01:16:42] Oh my God.

[01:16:43] That was the funniest moment of that.

[01:16:48] I cracked up.

[01:16:48] I laughed so loud.

[01:16:50] Yeah.

[01:16:51] At least she was like her practice run.

[01:16:53] But that was the biggest Ben thing was him.

[01:16:56] It was for these two episodes, it was just about him deciding to just

[01:17:00] put it out there, you know, which was great.

[01:17:02] It was small, but a small bit of the full length of the two episodes,

[01:17:06] but it was big for his character.

[01:17:09] And it paid off.

[01:17:11] Yeah.

[01:17:12] I watched episode nine on an airplane and when that moment came up,

[01:17:15] I was like, the woman next to me was like,

[01:17:20] I laughed really loud at that.

[01:17:21] That was just the delivery was.

[01:17:23] Did you cry on the plane?

[01:17:25] No, I did not watch the finale on the plane.

[01:17:28] I watched episode nine.

[01:17:29] I started to watch 10 and then I was like,

[01:17:31] I'm going to not do this on an airplane.

[01:17:34] I read an article that there's something about being on a plane

[01:17:39] and the pressurization that you're more likely to cry.

[01:17:43] So like people who are watching sad stuff on planes

[01:17:46] are more likely to sit in their seats sobbing,

[01:17:49] like weirdly with headphones on next to a stranger.

[01:17:53] It has changed the things I choose to watch on planes now

[01:17:56] because I'm like, I don't want to cry on the plane.

[01:17:58] I'm going to watch something funny.

[01:18:01] Yeah.

[01:18:02] You know, I feel like there are airplane movies that are,

[01:18:04] I would never watch a sad movie on an airplane.

[01:18:06] I would always watch a light comedy on an airplane.

[01:18:08] I like to watch mysteries.

[01:18:10] I like to listen, I like to listen to mystery audiobooks on planes.

[01:18:13] That is my favorite thing to do because I'm an old lady like that.

[01:18:18] And mysteries are super intriguing so you don't get bored.

[01:18:22] Before we get off of Judy's mom though,

[01:18:24] I do want to say there was a really funny moment

[01:18:26] where Henry walks in and she goes, aren't you handsome?

[01:18:28] And he goes, yeah.

[01:18:30] I loved that.

[01:18:31] It's like Henry.

[01:18:33] And I'm thankful that they found a way to get those two actors together

[01:18:38] just because of married with children.

[01:18:41] Oh yeah.

[01:18:43] Oh yeah, the crowd went wild when that scene happened.

[01:18:46] I was like, yes, yes.

[01:18:47] And they had some really great, like they were yelling at each other.

[01:18:50] It was drama.

[01:18:51] It was drama.

[01:18:52] You know, it was intense acting.

[01:18:55] I was excited for it for sure.

[01:18:59] Then in that same moment though, Henry, I was very wondering,

[01:19:03] why was he so casual about when he says,

[01:19:06] I don't know, like Judy just left.

[01:19:07] Or he says it might be too late to see Judy.

[01:19:11] And yeah, I don't know where she was going,

[01:19:12] but she had a suitcase, lick, lick.

[01:19:14] Like he's just licking an ice cream cone.

[01:19:16] I was like, Henry, why are you so cavalier about this?

[01:19:20] I feel like Henry would be like, where's Judy going?

[01:19:23] Also, Judy had a good by moment with Charlie,

[01:19:26] but not Henry.

[01:19:27] That's a little weird too.

[01:19:29] Yeah, yeah.

[01:19:30] There was a couple of things that I felt like were a little,

[01:19:33] what's this about?

[01:19:35] That was one of them.

[01:19:36] Yeah, and we didn't get to see a scene where anyone told Henry,

[01:19:40] like Judy isn't going to make it or Judy is going to die.

[01:19:44] Charlie clearly knew the story.

[01:19:46] Like we didn't need to see a scene where Charlie found out

[01:19:48] because he could see it, right?

[01:19:50] He saw Judy and he knew she was weak

[01:19:52] and he knew what was going on.

[01:19:54] But we never saw Henry have that realization.

[01:20:00] Yeah.

[01:20:00] Just a little open-ended thing.

[01:20:02] All right.

[01:20:03] Misdirection and how Jen gets out of trouble for killing Steve.

[01:20:07] So we open on episode nine with Jen at Moranis.

[01:20:11] This is his place, his hotel.

[01:20:13] And there's a lot going on.

[01:20:15] We see she's confessing something

[01:20:17] and he's eating a scone.

[01:20:18] And we're like, what is she confessing?

[01:20:20] Is she confessing to the murder of Steve?

[01:20:22] Is he eating a poison scone?

[01:20:24] But no, she's saying she slept with Steve,

[01:20:27] which is smart as we said because it explains the DNA.

[01:20:30] It's also like,

[01:20:32] oh, God, you would never do that.

[01:20:34] But I like how she said it.

[01:20:36] It's just Judy has no idea she loves Steve

[01:20:38] and she would just be so devastated if she knew

[01:20:41] that I was fucking him.

[01:20:44] Yes.

[01:20:47] That's funny.

[01:20:47] Oh, it's so brilliant.

[01:20:48] And so then we don't find out for sure

[01:20:50] until later it wasn't a poison scone.

[01:20:54] But the show really keeps your brain wheels turning

[01:20:56] about stuff like that, which is pretty fun.

[01:20:58] Indeed.

[01:20:59] And she sees the pile of papers there with Steve Wood on it.

[01:21:02] And then he starts joking and we're like, oh wait,

[01:21:07] this scone is killing him.

[01:21:08] And I do think that Jen was for a little bit in that moment

[01:21:12] going, hmm, maybe this could solve my problem.

[01:21:15] She's gonna let this play out.

[01:21:17] Yeah, let's see how this progresses.

[01:21:19] And then he's fine.

[01:21:21] And then I love when he says, well,

[01:21:23] if we end up finding your DNA on Wood's body,

[01:21:25] this will give us at least one plausible explanation

[01:21:27] to show that he suspects why she's really there.

[01:21:32] Then the whole thing about Nick telling Perez

[01:21:35] that he let Judy go on this trial

[01:21:37] after he confessed to the murder of Steve.

[01:21:40] And then they mention if he says if Moranis finds out

[01:21:44] my career is over, Perez says he's not gonna find out.

[01:21:47] And we're like, why not?

[01:21:48] Did she do something?

[01:21:49] Then we see him dead.

[01:21:51] And I'm like, did she do that?

[01:21:54] That's what I thought for a second.

[01:21:55] Then, or did the scone, you know?

[01:21:59] And Nick says, do we have any idea who did it?

[01:22:01] That's when they cut to Judy's mom.

[01:22:03] And that's what I thought maybe it was misdirection.

[01:22:07] We've already kind of covered this.

[01:22:09] Sorry guys.

[01:22:10] Then Jen and Judy, Judy says,

[01:22:12] do you really think we're gonna get away with this?

[01:22:14] That was the next scene.

[01:22:15] So I'm like, did they do it?

[01:22:17] And then we see that Perez has the Steve Wood file.

[01:22:20] But I feel like the show did tell us

[01:22:23] that the grief mafia killed him,

[01:22:24] but I wish I would have been more specific about it anyway.

[01:22:27] I don't want to go into it again.

[01:22:29] I'm sorry, we already kind of covered that.

[01:22:32] I really don't think that they said it though.

[01:22:35] Okay.

[01:22:37] We're gonna go back and look.

[01:22:38] I don't want to watch those two episodes again though,

[01:22:40] so we'll never know.

[01:22:40] I know.

[01:22:42] That's true.

[01:22:42] They're too sad.

[01:22:44] So I have started doing this thing when I finish a series.

[01:22:47] I go back and watch the first episode again

[01:22:52] right after I finished the final episode

[01:22:54] because I want to see where we've come.

[01:22:58] That's a good idea.

[01:22:59] It started when I watched Chernobyl

[01:23:01] because the structure of that mini series is such

[01:23:04] that when you get to the end,

[01:23:05] you're like, wait, I need to see the beginning again.

[01:23:08] And then I did it with Walking Dead recently.

[01:23:10] So I did it with this show as well and watched The Pilot again.

[01:23:15] And it's so amazing.

[01:23:19] There's so many beautiful moments in The Pilot

[01:23:21] and we already talked about them,

[01:23:23] but Jen and Judy meeting over the coffee

[01:23:26] and Jen says the coffee's horrible

[01:23:28] and Judy immediately is like, oh, I made it.

[01:23:30] And then Jen's like, oh, I'm sorry.

[01:23:32] And then Judy's like, oh, I'm kidding.

[01:23:33] And I'm like, that's their dynamic in a nutshell.

[01:23:35] Right?

[01:23:36] Judy is silly and Jen, it's good for Jen.

[01:23:40] And you watch them sort of fall in love.

[01:23:43] They start with these phone conversations.

[01:23:45] And I was thinking about the last time

[01:23:47] that I had that feeling when you meet a new person

[01:23:50] and you click, and it's like magic.

[01:23:54] And it just doesn't happen that often to adults.

[01:23:57] Right?

[01:23:57] It happens a lot when you're young,

[01:23:59] but I had the good fortune to have that experience

[01:24:03] when I was in Oregon and I met my friend's boyfriend

[01:24:07] of many, many years for the first time

[01:24:09] and he and I ended up spending hours talking

[01:24:12] up until like three in the morning

[01:24:13] to the point where my friend was like, I'm going to bed,

[01:24:16] but it makes me so happy

[01:24:17] that you guys are having so much fun.

[01:24:21] And, you know, we just really hit it off

[01:24:23] and it was fun to watch them.

[01:24:25] Come on, Get Happy is the first song

[01:24:28] and it's the final song.

[01:24:31] They watch Facts of Life together in the pilot

[01:24:33] and then they watch Facts of Life together

[01:24:36] in the final episode.

[01:24:39] And this is just sort of a funny aside

[01:24:42] when the first grief group,

[01:24:44] Pastor Wayne starts off by telling his own story of grief.

[01:24:48] Do you guys remember what his

[01:24:50] formative grief experiences?

[01:24:53] He saw his-

[01:24:54] Something about his grandma fell down the stairs.

[01:24:55] His aunt fell down the stairs

[01:24:58] and died in front of her five-year-old son

[01:25:00] because Pastor Wayne had asked her to get him

[01:25:03] something from the basement,

[01:25:04] like a drink or something.

[01:25:05] Get him a soda.

[01:25:06] And I was the one who asked,

[01:25:08] yeah, and I was the one who asked her

[01:25:09] to get me a soda from the basement.

[01:25:10] So that's a little something about me.

[01:25:13] It's just, his delivery is so dry.

[01:25:15] A little icebreaker.

[01:25:16] Meeting the other people in the grief group

[01:25:19] like Yolanda for the first time

[01:25:21] and knowing that she's gonna have

[01:25:23] these important moments with everybody later.

[01:25:26] It was really, really fun to watch.

[01:25:31] The saddest moment was at one point

[01:25:35] Henry asked Jen if he can skip school

[01:25:37] and go to work with her.

[01:25:38] And she's like, oh, honey, I know.

[01:25:41] We have to start getting back to normal

[01:25:43] and I need you to go to school.

[01:25:45] And he's like, oh, it's not for me.

[01:25:47] I'm worried about you.

[01:25:48] I don't want you to be alone.

[01:25:50] And then cut to Jen sobbing hysterically

[01:25:53] while she's sitting on the toilet

[01:25:55] because that moment with Henry just destroyed her.

[01:25:59] And we get to see her and Judy's first moments

[01:26:02] when Judy learns about the heavy metal in the car

[01:26:05] and they go for a drive

[01:26:06] and Judy's pretending to get into it,

[01:26:08] which is really cute.

[01:26:11] It was really lovely

[01:26:15] to go back and see the beginning of their friendship.

[01:26:17] And it's sort of reminding me of Pastor Wayne

[01:26:20] at the end saying that grief is a continuum.

[01:26:22] It's a circle and it's like this story is also a circle.

[01:26:25] Like you can keep learning from it.

[01:26:28] Oh yeah, so rewatchable.

[01:26:31] I don't know if I can watch the last couple of episodes again

[01:26:34] but the first two seasons, definitely.

[01:26:38] Like I would watch those over and over again.

[01:26:41] I know.

[01:26:42] A lot of the third season though,

[01:26:43] I feel like is so great.

[01:26:45] I would watch it again for sure.

[01:26:47] But yeah, just...

[01:26:49] The middle episodes where Jen finds out about the cancer

[01:26:54] and like really shows up for Judy

[01:26:58] are some of the best TV I've ever seen.

[01:27:01] They're really beautiful.

[01:27:02] I know Jason wanted to podcast on those.

[01:27:07] I recommend watching the first episode of a series

[01:27:11] after you finish it.

[01:27:12] It's really kind of an add to it.

[01:27:14] That's a really good idea.

[01:27:15] It's interesting.

[01:27:18] Yeah, cool.

[01:27:18] Not a very long point but a point.

[01:27:22] The only other thing I had this just...

[01:27:25] Charlie confronts Judy in the guest house.

[01:27:28] What are you doing here?

[01:27:30] He just kind of blurts out everything that he's still upset about

[01:27:34] that she had an affair with his dad,

[01:27:36] that his mom always yelled at his dad.

[01:27:39] And we know he doesn't understand what their relationship was about

[01:27:42] that Ted stopped being attracted to her or anything.

[01:27:45] He's just angry at his mom.

[01:27:48] And Jen stands up...

[01:27:49] I mean, Judy stands up for Jen.

[01:27:50] Your mom is tough and solid

[01:27:52] and she's there for you no matter what.

[01:27:54] Even if you almost kill her in a hit and run?

[01:27:56] Yep, even then, which is a great line because it's true.

[01:28:00] And it was good.

[01:28:02] I think Judy knows I need to leave him feeling better

[01:28:05] about his mother.

[01:28:06] And she also believes everything she's saying too.

[01:28:09] And then Charlie sees that Judy's struggling

[01:28:14] and goes to help her up.

[01:28:15] And she pulls him in for a hug.

[01:28:18] You come here and says, I love you.

[01:28:20] And he says, me too.

[01:28:22] And I was so glad that that happened.

[01:28:26] And that...

[01:28:27] Me too.

[01:28:28] That was their last moment.

[01:28:30] That was the first time I teared up watching these episodes.

[01:28:34] Yeah, it was good.

[01:28:35] It's good because I like that kid.

[01:28:39] I laughed when Judy took a sip of that Gatorade.

[01:28:42] She's like, Glacier Cherry?

[01:28:44] It's my favorite.

[01:28:45] He's like, yeah, mine too.

[01:28:47] And she's like, how long is that sitting there?

[01:28:49] A pretty long time.

[01:28:50] He's like, oh, I don't think it goes bad.

[01:28:52] And she's like, okay.

[01:28:57] Because Gatorade is not good when it's been sitting out like that.

[01:29:02] Okay, funny lines.

[01:29:03] I'll go first.

[01:29:04] They do...

[01:29:04] No, no, wait, what about...

[01:29:06] What we're doing?

[01:29:07] We're doing notes.

[01:29:08] Yeah, that comes after the funny lines.

[01:29:10] Oh, does it?

[01:29:11] Usually.

[01:29:12] Jason.

[01:29:12] That's what we've always done before.

[01:29:14] No, usually we do lines that last.

[01:29:16] Oh, we do?

[01:29:17] Okay.

[01:29:18] All right.

[01:29:18] Notes.

[01:29:20] No, no, I'm not telling you.

[01:29:22] You want to do your notes?

[01:29:24] No, I just thought it was funny because literally we've always done lines like the very, very last thing.

[01:29:29] I've been doing this for 12 years and I do the funny lines before the notes.

[01:29:34] Oh, I didn't know you...

[01:29:35] Do you always have a line cycle?

[01:29:37] We often do it when it's a comedy.

[01:29:39] Not always, but a lot.

[01:29:42] Yeah.

[01:29:42] So what do you want to do first, Ms. Jade?

[01:29:45] Would you like to do the funny lines or the notes?

[01:29:49] I don't care.

[01:29:50] You don't care?

[01:29:50] All right, let's do the funny lines.

[01:29:51] So they do this thing that a lot of shows do or used to do more where the characters

[01:30:01] say something and then there's a title sequence and then you hear them say it again to remind you.

[01:30:06] So Jen says, what?

[01:30:08] And Judy goes, I'm terminal.

[01:30:09] And then we see dead to me and the music.

[01:30:12] And then Jen goes, what?

[01:30:13] And she goes, I'm terminal.

[01:30:15] And she goes, stop saying that.

[01:30:17] And she goes, well, you just asked me.

[01:30:20] I love that.

[01:30:21] They always play with, you know, like that time when they had the music

[01:30:26] and you thought it was just the sound music for the show, but it was the whole...

[01:30:31] The whole music for...

[01:30:32] The oncology center, whole music.

[01:30:33] Yeah.

[01:30:34] They mess with us like that.

[01:30:35] I love it.

[01:30:37] The one moment that I thought was really funny, it's not really a funny line,

[01:30:41] but just the way that it was said, Charlie goes, when he finds out that Jen's pregnant,

[01:30:46] he's like, no fucking way.

[01:30:47] Who's is it?

[01:30:48] And Jen turns and goes, who's is it?

[01:30:51] Like just the way she...

[01:30:53] Maybe a lot of them.

[01:30:54] I don't know what that meant.

[01:30:55] I didn't understand what she was getting at there.

[01:31:00] It was just like by repeating the question that you don't want to answer.

[01:31:03] To the person who just asked you the question, it kind of puts it back on them somehow.

[01:31:08] I don't know.

[01:31:09] It was funny.

[01:31:12] When Eleanor shows up at Jen's house and she asks of Judy's there, Jen says,

[01:31:17] she's picking my son up from choir practice.

[01:31:19] And Eleanor says, I can't tell if that's a joke or not.

[01:31:23] And Jen says, me neither.

[01:31:26] Just the running joke of how weird it is that Henry is in this like super Christian

[01:31:30] singing group.

[01:31:34] Singing and dancing.

[01:31:35] Yeah, Jen hates that.

[01:31:37] When Jen's at the church and tells Janna that Judy made the cranes.

[01:31:44] It says, oh my God, because she's an angel and I am a cunt.

[01:31:49] Yeah, I wouldn't use that word.

[01:31:50] I mean, not in here.

[01:31:52] Oh, he knows.

[01:31:54] Oh my God.

[01:31:55] Everyone knows.

[01:31:55] I loved that.

[01:31:57] I love the way she said that.

[01:31:59] So funny.

[01:32:00] That made me laugh.

[01:32:01] Yeah, it was good.

[01:32:02] So Jen's on the phone.

[01:32:03] No, what you don't understand is that she's going to die if she doesn't

[01:32:07] fucking get in you fucking dick fuck.

[01:32:08] Yeah, well, you know what?

[01:32:09] At the dick fuck fucking face.

[01:32:11] Oh, you did not just hang up on me.

[01:32:12] You fucking fuck.

[01:32:13] Fuck.

[01:32:17] So good.

[01:32:18] Fucking dick fuck.

[01:32:19] I love that.

[01:32:20] I have that one down too.

[01:32:23] After Jen has that conversation about being a cunt with the Harmami.

[01:32:27] They talk about how she can make a call for Jen to get Judy into the study.

[01:32:32] And then she says, I used to be cuddle buddies with the head of oncology up there.

[01:32:36] So he definitely owes me one.

[01:32:38] Yeah, I let him do some weird stuff.

[01:32:42] And I just had this moment of imagining what the weird stuff was and then looking

[01:32:46] at Jen imagining what the weird stuff was.

[01:32:51] Yeah, I hope.

[01:32:52] It's funny because this character who was this one,

[01:32:55] it was the woman at church that asks her for favors.

[01:32:57] All of a sudden becomes this doctor who can help her and did this cuddle.

[01:33:01] Or she let a guy do weird stuff.

[01:33:04] I think I feel like the two of them might go on to be actual friends.

[01:33:08] Yeah, that was a beautiful bonding moment.

[01:33:10] I hope so.

[01:33:11] Well, also before that, Jen's like, you're a doctor.

[01:33:14] I told you that remember after Easter lamb jam, you were standing right there.

[01:33:18] I must have forgot.

[01:33:19] Yeah, I don't think you're actually listening.

[01:33:22] That whole scene was really great.

[01:33:25] So Judy tells Jen to stop lying and she goes, I forgot how I didn't write the line before,

[01:33:32] but she says something along the lines of like, you really need to stop lying to yourself.

[01:33:36] Or she goes, but what if I'm living live?

[01:33:38] You're deflecting.

[01:33:39] I'm scuttling.

[01:33:40] Stop scuttling.

[01:33:41] I can't stop.

[01:33:41] It's what I do.

[01:33:44] There was a whole scene that was like, I'm not going to stop lying.

[01:33:46] I'm not going to stop lying.

[01:33:47] I'm not going to stop lying.

[01:33:49] There was a whole scuttle thing throughout the whole thing.

[01:33:53] Yeah, you got to scuttling.

[01:33:55] I don't think this is scuttable.

[01:33:56] I don't think that's scuttable.

[01:33:58] I'll uh, oh, it's not my turn.

[01:34:00] Um, right?

[01:34:02] Yeah, it's my turn.

[01:34:02] Yeah, when Jen and Henry are in the car and he says,

[01:34:07] I know you're upset because Charlie called you an irresponsible fuckface.

[01:34:11] Yes, he did.

[01:34:11] Yeah.

[01:34:12] But I'm really excited about the baby.

[01:34:15] It's just so Henry.

[01:34:16] I like it.

[01:34:18] I like that.

[01:34:19] I like him.

[01:34:19] Yeah.

[01:34:20] I like everything.

[01:34:21] That's right.

[01:34:21] He's, you know, he's going to be a big bro.

[01:34:23] He thinks their dad would have been chill with it because

[01:34:25] this way they'll be more of them.

[01:34:29] Yeah, they're sick.

[01:34:29] Yep.

[01:34:31] Yeah.

[01:34:32] I loved it when Jen told Judy, Agent Moranis is dead and she goes, oh my god, he has a dog.

[01:34:41] I know that was Judy's very first thought.

[01:34:43] So when they find the cat in Steve's house, Jen's like, can you please just get it out of

[01:34:51] here before it murders us?

[01:34:52] Well, I think we're the murderers in this situation.

[01:34:54] Yeah, well, you don't know that cat's back story.

[01:34:57] I feel like that's another writer's roomie kind of one, but it's good.

[01:35:00] It's funny.

[01:35:01] Oh my god, it made me laugh.

[01:35:03] Yeah, absolutely.

[01:35:03] So I was like, yep, never know a cat's back story.

[01:35:05] It takes quite no one.

[01:35:08] This line isn't really funny, but I loved it is when Perez says to Nick,

[01:35:12] sometimes the right thing doesn't feel right, but it doesn't make it wrong.

[01:35:17] Good line.

[01:35:18] Yeah.

[01:35:19] Yeah.

[01:35:19] They had a lot of good lines like that.

[01:35:21] Like if being a person or a human being doesn't makes you a bad cop, then...

[01:35:26] They should rethink the whole thing.

[01:35:27] Yeah.

[01:35:28] They should rethink the whole thing.

[01:35:29] Yeah, I was like, oh, that was good.

[01:35:31] I only had, well, kind of one more.

[01:35:33] These are the ones I thought were versions of conversations they were having in the

[01:35:37] writer's room.

[01:35:38] One was about the, you don't know the cat's back story.

[01:35:43] Maybe that's more like a writer joke, but it's great.

[01:35:46] And then when Jen said, I still can't believe you confessed and Judy goes,

[01:35:51] really?

[01:35:51] I thought it was pretty on the nose for me.

[01:35:54] Yes.

[01:35:54] And then when the last one is, well, I already mentioned it, but the little baby,

[01:35:59] Linda goes, why didn't you name her Judy?

[01:36:02] Is that what would be weird, Linda?

[01:36:03] Not if you really loved her.

[01:36:05] This isn't a Hallmark movie, Linda.

[01:36:06] Okay.

[01:36:07] Joey sounds too much like Judy.

[01:36:09] It's confusing.

[01:36:10] You're confusing.

[01:36:12] And she goes, I named her Joey because if one day, what if one day she's gender fluid?

[01:36:15] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:36:18] That's awesome.

[01:36:21] The moment when they get on vacation, I can't believe we're finally on vacation.

[01:36:24] We're here.

[01:36:25] We're here.

[01:36:25] You're queer and you're used to it.

[01:36:30] I don't have any more.

[01:36:31] I got one more.

[01:36:32] I got one more.

[01:36:34] When I loved when Ben, when Jen told Ben that she was pregnant.

[01:36:40] Oh yeah, this was great.

[01:36:41] He goes, well, I just have to ask is it mine?

[01:36:46] And he's so happy and he says, I'm smiling so big, I'm definitely going to get punched.

[01:36:52] It was like adorable and also kind of sad.

[01:36:56] It was like, oh, poor Ben.

[01:36:58] Beautiful moment though.

[01:36:59] What a great, James Marston just.

[01:37:01] Yeah.

[01:37:02] I'm so impressed with him now.

[01:37:05] I know me too.

[01:37:07] Whole new, I see him in a whole new light.

[01:37:09] I think everyone does and I'm very glad this was such a great opportunity for him to showcase.

[01:37:14] Yeah, what he can really do as an actor because no, I think it's a unanimous thing.

[01:37:19] We're all like, we didn't know that James Marston was this.

[01:37:22] Like he's going to get roles now, which he deserves.

[01:37:25] You know?

[01:37:26] Yeah, I want to see him do more.

[01:37:28] I really can't wait to see him.

[01:37:29] And he's also so hot.

[01:37:32] He's kind of, I feel like he always got cast when he was younger.

[01:37:37] He was just so pretty.

[01:37:38] He was the prince in that enchanted.

[01:37:41] What is that?

[01:37:42] Ellen Enchanted.

[01:37:43] It's just called enchanted.

[01:37:44] No, not Ellen Enchanted but Enchanted.

[01:37:46] Yeah, he was Prince Charming and now that he's not old but a little older,

[01:37:51] he, I really feel like is coming into his maturity and I really can't wait to see him

[01:37:55] do some big blockbuster drama or something.

[01:37:58] Yeah.

[01:37:59] I mean, that's his kind of curse is that he's too good looking.

[01:38:07] Yeah.

[01:38:07] Oh, it's a curse.

[01:38:09] An actor curse for sure, especially with men.

[01:38:12] Yeah.

[01:38:13] Because even though he's had this role, I still feel like some directors might be like,

[01:38:17] oh no, no one would believe that this guy was down and out or whatever.

[01:38:22] No, he's got to look about him that is not common nowadays because nowadays a lot

[01:38:26] of men are I feel like very edgy as actors.

[01:38:29] If they're handsome, rugged, you know, they go, he's pretty.

[01:38:34] He's like Prince Charming and he's one of the few we have, you know?

[01:38:37] So I feel like yeah, he definitely is a curse for him that he's going to play.

[01:38:42] Two.

[01:38:43] Yeah, I didn't watch Westworld which it's on my list.

[01:38:45] I'm not sure if I should watch it or not.

[01:38:47] No, I don't know.

[01:38:48] Yeah, I don't know.

[01:38:48] First season.

[01:38:49] That's what I hear.

[01:38:51] Okay, anyway, that was a lot about nothing.

[01:38:54] Sorry guys, for the nonsense.

[01:38:56] Keeping it all in.

[01:38:57] Yeah, okay.

[01:38:59] So everyone is so hard on Henry's dancing and Christopher when Jen's like,

[01:39:05] everyone is so Jen's like, I don't want to go to that concert.

[01:39:08] Have you seen that kid dance?

[01:39:09] And I'm like, oh, he was good.

[01:39:11] He was fine.

[01:39:13] He was fine.

[01:39:14] And so he shows up to the church and Christopher goes down to like he talks to the baby.

[01:39:19] Let's hope you got a snitch more rhythm or he says a scooch,

[01:39:23] a scooch more rhythm than your brother and Jen goes, oh no, is it that bad?

[01:39:27] No.

[01:39:27] Well, yeah.

[01:39:29] Well, miracles happen every day, right?

[01:39:31] I was like, Christopher, such a bitch.

[01:39:34] That was kind of bond.

[01:39:35] We didn't get a little more Christopher too.

[01:39:36] I know.

[01:39:37] We saw him and he was fine in the performance.

[01:39:41] He was fine.

[01:39:43] Like everyone's making such a thing about him being such a terrible dancer.

[01:39:46] And then, uh, Lorna just made me laugh.

[01:39:49] I have to sit on the aisle.

[01:39:50] I get nauseous.

[01:39:52] And then, yeah, I'm so sorry too, Jen.

[01:39:54] I never got particularly close to Jamie, but she was always pleasant enough.

[01:40:00] Such a bitch.

[01:40:01] I'd be disappointed if we didn't get some of that Lorna-ness in there.

[01:40:04] Yeah.

[01:40:05] It was kind of, yeah, it was nice to see everybody like for a little

[01:40:08] one last horror from everyone.

[01:40:10] Yeah.

[01:40:11] I'm going to say a few notes.

[01:40:14] When Henry told Jen that Judy was gone and had a suitcase

[01:40:19] and Jen's worried and she calls her and the phone rings from upstairs in Charlie's room.

[01:40:24] And then she goes up there, you know, and finds it.

[01:40:27] And then she sees that Judy has painted these origami birds on the wall.

[01:40:32] And it's like they're flying off, you know, and it's like, oh, this bird is taking flight.

[01:40:36] That's what I took out of it.

[01:40:38] I just thought that was a really artfully done moment there to convey that feeling of,

[01:40:42] well, fuck, I lost her, you know.

[01:40:45] Yeah.

[01:40:45] I loved that.

[01:40:48] Nice painting too.

[01:40:48] And yeah, I guess that.

[01:40:50] I mean, at the ends, you know, when they're singing the holy harmonizer,

[01:40:56] singing Get Ready for the Judgment Day and you see the origami cranes overhead

[01:41:00] and Ben sits down and Jen, he's out on good behavior, Jen's like, of course.

[01:41:06] And then Ben says Judy sent him an invite.

[01:41:08] Is she here?

[01:41:10] And Jen looks up and goes, I think so, and looks at the birds and probably heaven,

[01:41:15] you know, and he holds her and she's crying and the kids are singing Get Ready,

[01:41:21] Get Ready for the Judgment Day.

[01:41:24] And she's sobbing.

[01:41:26] She's sobbing.

[01:41:26] Yeah.

[01:41:27] And that was just a particular great moment for us because you chose that song.

[01:41:33] It made it even more special.

[01:41:35] Yeah, I knew.

[01:41:36] I just knew this show and that song is it.

[01:41:40] That moment though was particularly great for Jen though,

[01:41:43] because it's the first time that we really see her sob on a person's shoulder who's not Judy

[01:41:49] and openly in public, in church.

[01:41:53] What?

[01:41:54] Jen, who is this woman?

[01:41:55] You know, that was moving in so many ways because it was so not Jen like.

[01:42:01] She's literally laying on this guy's shoulder who's not her husband.

[01:42:05] She's letting him in.

[01:42:07] She just, she does that.

[01:42:10] Yeah.

[01:42:11] She sobs like ugly cries on this guy's shoulder.

[01:42:14] She's finally vulnerable for the very first time.

[01:42:17] And it shows that it's good, pretends well for her and Ben too.

[01:42:23] Yeah.

[01:42:23] That Ben's the one she chose to do that with, you know,

[01:42:26] and he received it and was there to hold her and hold space for and everything.

[01:42:31] And so I yeah, I just have a really good feeling that it's going to be fine between them.

[01:42:37] I love that Judy sent him the invite too because it's like Judy,

[01:42:41] you know, ahead of time sent that to him.

[01:42:42] It's like she's taking him.

[01:42:44] She sent, she sent Ben to Jen, you know, right?

[01:42:47] Because she's been saying this whole time, you got to let Ben in.

[01:42:50] You have to be with him.

[01:42:51] You have to be with him.

[01:42:52] It's going to be fine.

[01:42:53] Just yeah.

[01:42:55] The matchmaker.

[01:42:55] Yeah.

[01:42:56] It's just Judy really just opened up Jen and changed her.

[01:43:00] She says, that's exactly what Jen says and changed me.

[01:43:03] And it's also beautiful at the end.

[01:43:06] You know, the whole thing we've talked about this before, but

[01:43:09] Ted lost interest in Jen because she had that double mastectomy.

[01:43:14] And at the end we see they're out at the pool and you can see Steve's scars.

[01:43:19] And it just feels like it's something that they have in common that they've had to get past

[01:43:24] and they are.

[01:43:25] It's not even addressed, which I love.

[01:43:27] Like it's not an issue at all.

[01:43:29] And he fucking loves her and it's beautiful.

[01:43:32] It really is.

[01:43:34] Who cares if it's corny?

[01:43:35] There was one other funny one.

[01:43:37] It's not corny.

[01:43:38] I don't find it corny.

[01:43:39] At the end there when Ben says, I don't want to sound like a cheeseball.

[01:43:44] And she says too late and he's like, yeah, there.

[01:43:50] Because he's always a cheeseball.

[01:43:53] Which is what's so wonderful about him.

[01:43:55] She loves her cheeseball.

[01:43:58] Yeah.

[01:43:58] He's a hot cheeseball.

[01:44:00] Yep.

[01:44:01] He has a hot cheeseball.

[01:44:02] That's all.

[01:44:03] That's all I got.

[01:44:04] That's all we want.

[01:44:04] Guys.

[01:44:06] That's all we want.

[01:44:09] Hot cheeseball.

[01:44:10] She's coming your way.

[01:44:13] Okay, well, we'll take a quick break but there's news and there's some,

[01:44:17] there's a special surprise coming so stay with us.

[01:44:32] We're back.

[01:45:19] It's time for some news.

[01:45:22] So there's a ton of interviews and things out there with members of the cast and the

[01:45:29] show creator about, you know, what does the ending mean and everything?

[01:45:33] I didn't clip any of those.

[01:45:37] But I found a few articles and I just have excerpts from them that I thought were really

[01:45:41] interesting.

[01:45:43] The first is just from Netflix and it's just the news that Liz Feldman is going on to do

[01:45:51] a new Netflix project, a 30-minute dark comedy called No Good Deed.

[01:45:56] Holy shit.

[01:45:57] And it's a dark comedy that follows three very different families vying to buy the

[01:46:02] very same 1920s Spanish style villa that they think will solve all their problems.

[01:46:08] But as the sellers have already discovered, sometimes the home of your dreams can be a

[01:46:13] total nightmare.

[01:46:15] It doesn't say when that's coming.

[01:46:17] That's awesome.

[01:46:19] James Marsden is going to be playing a role in Netflix's upcoming ensemble comedy

[01:46:26] from Jerry Seinfeld called Unfrosted.

[01:46:30] What?

[01:46:31] Yeah.

[01:46:32] And Diana Maria Riva is set to play a role in Netflix's upcoming series Glamorous.

[01:46:38] So we'll be seeing some of our favorite people again soon on Netflix anyway.

[01:46:44] What's the Seinfeld one called?

[01:46:45] Unfrosted.

[01:46:46] It's called Unfrosted.

[01:46:49] And then the next article was in apartmenttherapy.com, which is like one of my favorite

[01:46:54] websites because I love interior design.

[01:46:56] But Linda Cardellini kept the chic patio furniture from the Dead to Me set.

[01:47:02] Yeah.

[01:47:03] It says in a recent interview with James Corden on the late, late show,

[01:47:07] Cardellini revealed that she likes to keep reminders of her jobs taking props and

[01:47:10] mementos from the sets.

[01:47:12] When Corden asked what she kept from working on Dead to Me,

[01:47:16] the Judy Hill actress announced that she had stolen an entire patio furniture set.

[01:47:22] Corden then went on to ask if Cardellini had been gifted the furniture to which she joked,

[01:47:26] I was like nobody's looking put all that outdoor furniture in my van.

[01:47:31] Emmy nominated set designer Brandy Kalish is the brains behind Jen's chic abode

[01:47:37] and the gorgeous return patio furniture set encapsulates the relaxed coastal aesthetic

[01:47:43] that Kalish was aiming for throughout the entire space.

[01:47:46] In 2019, Kalish told Architectural Digest that Laguna itself has a flare about it decor-wise

[01:47:53] and the team scouted a ton of houses and got a ton of inspiration of how people are living in Laguna.

[01:47:59] Rounding out the interview with Corden, Cardellini noted that the furniture was an important

[01:48:03] part of her filming.

[01:48:05] Herself and Applegate acted out many scenes while sat on the patio,

[01:48:08] so it's a great reminder of her time as Judy Hale.

[01:48:11] We had some really heartfelt moments on that furniture, she told the talk show host,

[01:48:16] so you know I can tell who has seen the show when they come over and sit in my backyard.

[01:48:22] And then there was an article, you can see that whole interview too it's on YouTube.

[01:48:26] If you showed up there and saw her sitting in that furniture, it would just feel so good to see.

[01:48:35] There's another article from the LA Times.

[01:48:39] It's titled Dead to Me Stars Open Up About the Bond That Saw Them Through a Difficult Year.

[01:48:45] Most of the excerpts I have are actually from Liz Feldman.

[01:48:48] She says, she wants you to know she's sorry.

[01:48:53] Even though the series finale sees fans two favorite gal pals Judy and Jen evade punishment

[01:48:58] for the deaths of their husbands, it's not what you'd call a perfectly happy ending.

[01:49:03] After learning she had terminal cancer earlier in the season, Judy sets out to Mexico

[01:49:08] to enjoy her last days alongside Jen who is pregnant with Ben's child.

[01:49:12] As Feldman told the Times, can I just give one big blanket apology?

[01:49:18] She says the idea for how to wrap the Netflix series whose third and final season premiered

[01:49:22] Thursday came out in the middle of filming season two. She wanted to bring closure and

[01:49:27] healing to the characters while still honoring the themes of grief, loss, forgiveness,

[01:49:32] and friendship that have swirled around Jen and Judy throughout the show's run.

[01:49:36] Feldman and the writers also knew that they wanted some ambiguity about Judy's death

[01:49:41] which is why it doesn't happen on screen. We started writing this season in June 2020 right

[01:49:46] at the heart of the pandemic, she says. We were all experiencing this crazy existential moment

[01:49:51] where there's this like unseen force called COVID and there was a form of ambiguous grief

[01:49:57] that we all felt during that time for the loss of the life that we all had, the loss of

[01:50:01] togetherness, the loss of just things as we knew it. And so I wanted to sort of honor

[01:50:06] that ambiguous grief. I was just trying to mirror what it's like to lose someone which is

[01:50:11] that one moment they're there and then they're gone and you're not really quite sure where they went.

[01:50:16] That Applegate and Cardellini brought such emotional depth and love to an unlikely friendship

[01:50:20] on screen, it's not every day a widow becomes besties with the person who left her husband for

[01:50:25] dead is of little surprise to Feldman. I watched this weird parallel friendship form she says

[01:50:31] as Jen and Judy were becoming friends on camera, Christina and Linda were becoming

[01:50:35] friends off camera. I watched these two women constantly be there for each other in really

[01:50:40] profound ways and through a lot of difficult moments, they leaned into each other, they leaned

[01:50:45] on each other is honestly such a gift to have experienced it and to have watched it unfold.

[01:50:51] The article then has a really long Q&A with both Christina Applegate and Linda

[01:50:56] Cardellini but I just took out a couple of points. Applegate says I'm pretty convinced

[01:51:02] that Judy just went to a taqueria. She took the boat, this is what I always say, she's at the

[01:51:07] taqueria, she's having a marg and all of a sudden this guy comes over and he's like I have a cure

[01:51:12] for cancer. This is what in my mind has to be happening. She's coming back later, she just

[01:51:18] went to get some tacos and a drink and then she says the last thing that we shot was the

[01:51:25] bed conversation when she says I've had a really good time. That was the last scene

[01:51:30] that we ever shot together and that was calculated and on purpose because Liz knew

[01:51:34] that we probably weren't going to be able to get through it and it was going to be super depressing.

[01:51:40] That day I went home and just knowing too that it was the end, that it was the last thing would

[01:51:44] help them really get into it like this is it. Yeah, that day I went home and I was like

[01:51:50] gagging and dry heaving because of the pain and the sadness and the saying goodbye to my

[01:51:54] best friend so that I remember. Then Applegate says when Linda and I are together there isn't

[01:52:01] anyone else around. I think that goes for not only our personal shared moments but our onset moments.

[01:52:07] We sit there and look into each other's eyes and speak these words and have these experiences

[01:52:12] and I forget that there's anyone around watching. Yeah, it made me feel all like

[01:52:19] thinking about my best friend and yeah how much I love her and I don't get to see her that

[01:52:23] much. Yeah. Where is she? LA. As far. Yeah, it is. I can't wait to go look up all that stuff in

[01:52:34] the interviews and the news and everything now that I'm now that I am. Yeah, now there's no

[01:52:38] spoilers. I'm not worried about getting spoiled but I'm at my yeah thank you so much for doing

[01:52:42] the news. That was awesome news Penny way to go because I couldn't do it because I'm bummed

[01:52:48] because I don't know when I'm going to be able to look up all this stuff because I'm

[01:52:50] at my parents house for Christmas and there's no internet there. There's a lot of great

[01:52:55] interviews with Christina, Applegate about the experience of filming with MS and she and

[01:53:01] Linda Carlini have been very effusive in talking about each other and how much they love each

[01:53:06] other. It's been it's lovely. Oh yeah. Good. We feel it man. It jumps right off the screen

[01:53:13] into our hearts and it coats us with love. I'm going to miss it so much like so much.

[01:53:20] This show is such a part of me saying goodbye to it. I'm like I've said I'm glad that I have

[01:53:25] a podcast to do it because now I feel like I can move on. I'm okay. I have closure. I've had my

[01:53:30] friends of my friends of heaven moment, my friendship circle. Well, you guys. That's a great

[01:53:36] saying. Let's give everyone else their friends of heaven moment. Welcome friends. The friends

[01:53:40] of heaven. We're gathered here one last time in our circle of appreciation for this amazing

[01:53:44] show and let's hear what you guys have to say. Jade. So Lisa Edmondsson Walker says,

[01:53:51] we binge the whole thing and I'm having a hard time distinguishing between episodes.

[01:53:55] I'm loving the podcast so much though the conversation about dolls and near-humanness

[01:53:59] and polar express being too disturbing resonated with me. Yes. We are not alone.

[01:54:05] Thank you, Lisa. Barbie Allen says, I knew they weren't going to have a happily ever after.

[01:54:13] There was just no way and I knew the writers wouldn't pander. So glad I was right. The ending

[01:54:18] was beautiful and emotional and that last line was pitch perfect. Totally satisfying ending.

[01:54:24] I loved Judy and Jen's friendship. That was the core of this show with all the complex

[01:54:29] storylines woven through and around it. Absolutely. So yes, totally. Yeah, glad you wrote in, Barbie.

[01:54:37] Kelly Burgess says, Hey guys, I just wanted to send some feedback. Hopefully I made it in time.

[01:54:41] I fell behind and wasn't able to keep up with the podcast, but I wanted you to know that I've

[01:54:44] really appreciated your coverage of this great show. I feel like the writing and acting is

[01:54:49] so great on it and I'm glad you've recognized and brought attention to the people working hard

[01:54:53] to bring it to us. It's been interesting hearing your different takes on the characters

[01:54:57] and I'm looking forward to getting caught up in hearing what you thought of it overall.

[01:55:01] Season three was an emotional one. I was satisfied with the ending, although I wish Judy would have

[01:55:06] lived long enough to see the baby born. I liked how it all tied together with the beach and the

[01:55:11] boat. I think I waited to watch because I knew it would wreck me now to go find something happy

[01:55:17] to cheer me up. Wait, do I watch any happy shows? Great job on this and looking forward

[01:55:22] to hearing you all on future podcasts. Thanks, Kelly.

[01:55:26] Thanks so much, Kelly. That was great. May Almardini says,

[01:55:30] When the Cancer Storyline came out, I was worried that they use it as a cop-out

[01:55:34] and have Judy take the blame for everything. I was happy that although that's how they

[01:55:38] made it seem, it didn't end up that way and it was done beautifully. While it was heartbreaking

[01:55:43] to say goodbye to Judy, I think she lives on forever with Jen and the boys. Totally,

[01:55:47] I agree. Judy may not have had children of her own, but she ended up being a great mom to Henry

[01:55:53] and Charlie. Yes. I read an interview with Liz Feldman who said the show wasn't about crime and

[01:55:58] punishment, but about friendship and grief, and I was happy with the ending. It brought so many

[01:56:03] tears to my eyes because I felt, I also felt like I was grieving for Christina Applegate's acting

[01:56:08] career. She is fabulous. Oh yes, I know. If you've ever been with someone at the end of their

[01:56:14] life and I hope most people don't experience this, you know how accurate the show is. Yes. Yes.

[01:56:20] Very much so. Really. It gave me all of those memories come washing back. It was like, it was

[01:56:27] intense. Like Judy, I have found that people near death seem so at peace. It's definitely harder

[01:56:32] being the person left to miss them but saying goodbye helps. Yeah. And of course there's some

[01:56:38] levity at the end or she didn't name the girl Judy. That would be creepy, LOL. Or how do

[01:56:42] you think Ben would react? I think he'd be okay with it all. Also, Jason, you were really good at

[01:56:47] calling things out. I missed so many details that you picked up on during the show with good

[01:56:52] predictions. Oh, thanks. I enjoyed watching the show with you guys. Can't wait for the next one.

[01:56:59] Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Mae for like, oh. Thank you, Mae, for always sticking with us,

[01:57:04] for writing every week, for writing this totally, I agree with everything you said. It was

[01:57:10] perfect way to sum it up. Yeah, especially a part where you said something nice about me. That was

[01:57:14] really. Yeah. We love Jason compliments. Thank you, Mae. That was amazing. And also I did,

[01:57:21] I didn't want to say one thing though. I, because I forgot to say it when we were talking about

[01:57:25] it, I was pissed that I didn't call that Judy was going to go confess now that she found out

[01:57:31] that her, you know, whatever my life is over, it's done. Yeah. Like I'm just going to go

[01:57:37] confess when it cut to the next scene. I was like, oh, of course. How did I not? It's because

[01:57:42] I'm too into it. I wasn't able to really like this toward the end. I was too just enjoying it.

[01:57:49] For getting yourself, yeah. Yeah, because usually I'm so predictions like all about

[01:57:55] what's coming next and how can I see things linking and how can I see character arcs flowing

[01:58:00] and I just couldn't really do that toward the end with this. I don't know why, but

[01:58:04] yeah, when that happened, I was like, I totally should have saw that coming.

[01:58:07] Yeah. I didn't see that coming either. But yeah, it seemed pretty inevitable once it happened.

[01:58:12] Okay. So Steve Brown called in about both sets of episodes. So here's his call about seven and

[01:58:19] eight.

[01:58:22] By Seaman we have other problems. Hello, dead desks. This is Steve and this is just

[01:58:27] a few quick thoughts on episode seven and eight. I know you guys have already covered

[01:58:30] them. I haven't listened to the podcast yet, but I will. Gosh, so much happened in these two

[01:58:36] episodes, right? I mean, we, Jen finally tells the truth that she's pregnant to Judy and we see

[01:58:43] Judy's reaction. That's so good by Linda Carnellini. Just great. Just great. We get Karen back,

[01:58:50] which is amazing. Love, love Karen. And yeah, seeing Glenn, we knew we kind of suspected

[01:58:58] that he had gone through the trash to get the ashes of the bird, but now we have that confirmed.

[01:59:02] So don't know exactly what he can pull from that, but in that ending with Jen delivering the scones.

[01:59:10] So now on to nine and 10.

[01:59:15] Turns out it was a water bottle. Yeah. Okay, here's his feedback on nine and 10.

[01:59:20] Which also did not make any sense. I was just going to say that water bottle never made

[01:59:25] any sense. It was almost, I feel like it's edging on Plothole, like a little bit.

[01:59:30] He wanted her DNA. We talked about it. Yeah, but we talked about this when it came up during that

[01:59:35] episode. How did he know that that one particular water bottle in all of that garbage was Jen's

[01:59:41] water bottle? And when it was brought up again, I was almost going to say, make a note about it,

[01:59:46] but I'm like whatever, I'm not going to go there, but here I am going there.

[01:59:50] Because it bothered me. It did like, and then when they called it out a second time,

[01:59:54] I was like, guys, can we not call this out a second time?

[01:59:57] There's a lot of shorthand with the crime stuff because it's the yada, yada, yada kind of.

[02:00:02] It's beside the point. Yeah. Jason's favorite thing.

[02:00:07] All right, here's Steve's call on the final two.

[02:00:11] Hello, dead to us. Well, that was a serious finale. This is Steve and kind of surprised

[02:00:19] a little bit. I mean, I guess I expected Judy to pass away in the finale.

[02:00:27] It would make sense or at least as far as we know, you might still be sitting in Mexico just

[02:00:31] waiting to die. Not sure. I was a little confused about the stuff with Perez. They showed us

[02:00:37] a scene of her with the FBI files. Was that to make us think that she had done something

[02:00:43] to Moranis or just that she took from the crime scene because the Greek guys did say they talked

[02:00:49] to Moranis and, you know, by talk I think they probably killed him. But yeah, it just,

[02:00:55] I don't know. I'm a little disappointed. It's not the right word because that's too harsh.

[02:01:00] I'm just, I'm not. I don't think it's what I expected. And that last moment of her possibly

[02:01:07] telling Ben the truth about Steve's death. I don't know what that would accomplish, you know,

[02:01:13] except just getting the guilt off her. But how is that going to help the situation at all?

[02:01:19] You know, anyway, so the final grief circle with baby Joey was pretty funny. I will admit

[02:01:27] the whole Judy Joey thing. You know, that'd be that'd be weird. But anyway,

[02:01:33] I can't wait for whatever you guys do next. Talk to you later.

[02:01:37] I'm just hoping that this, that our podcast helped you come to terms with all that, Steve,

[02:01:43] because we really talked through all the stuff that he did.

[02:01:45] Yeah, we did. All this questions.

[02:01:47] Yeah, that's true.

[02:01:47] Yeah. But I'm so glad, Steve, thanks for joining us on this. I know it was rough

[02:01:53] because you've had it, you've lost someone and so thank you so much for watching along

[02:01:59] with us and calling in and everything. Love you. All right, one more painting. I think it's your turn.

[02:02:04] Yep. This is from Nathan. I wanted to congratulate the three of you for making it to the end of

[02:02:10] this great journey covering every episode. You introduced me to this show and your unique

[02:02:16] perspectives and thoughts have carried me through the emotional highs and lows that it can bring.

[02:02:21] This would have been a really tough watch alone. So I'm glad myself and the other

[02:02:26] listeners have been able to listen to Dead to Us every week so we could experience it together.

[02:02:31] Thanks, Nathan. I have a message from someone else as well. The attached video is short,

[02:02:38] sweet and a little funny as well. Enjoy. Is this our surprise?

[02:02:44] Oh, I'm excited.

[02:02:45] I'm going to play a little video for you guys. Can you see this?

[02:02:50] Yeah. Yes.

[02:02:51] Hey, here goes.

[02:02:52] Penny, Jason, Jade, you did it. I can't believe you got through all the episodes of Dead to Me.

[02:02:58] There are kind of a few. So congratulations and Nathan's really proud of you. Happy Christmas,

[02:03:06] Happy Hanukkah, and can't wait to check out your podcast. By the way, this is Max Jenkins.

[02:03:11] I play Christopher on Dead to Me. Okay, love you. Bye.

[02:03:13] Oh, that's awesome.

[02:03:19] I didn't recognize him at first.

[02:03:22] I know.

[02:03:22] That mustache.

[02:03:23] Because he has a mustache.

[02:03:24] Yeah. Oh, my God.

[02:03:25] As soon as you hear the voice first.

[02:03:26] I was like, wait, is that?

[02:03:27] Yeah. Awesome.

[02:03:29] He looks so not Christopher. Like the turtleneck. He's got a black turtleneck.

[02:03:33] If you're listening to this on the podcast, you know, you won't see it. But

[02:03:36] black turtleneck and mustache and his hair is totally different. And I was like,

[02:03:40] wait, who is this? Oh my God. That's fucking Christopher.

[02:03:43] That's fantastic.

[02:03:44] Oh, Nathan.

[02:03:45] You're so cool.

[02:03:46] Oh my God.

[02:03:46] Thank you.

[02:03:47] Thank you.

[02:03:49] Nathan, you're the best.

[02:03:51] That my cheeks are like hurting right now. I just am smiling so hard.

[02:03:55] That was so thrilling.

[02:03:56] That was awesome.

[02:03:57] Wow. Awesome.

[02:03:59] Wow.

[02:04:01] That was my Christmas gift, man. That was great.

[02:04:03] What a great way to end this podcast.

[02:04:05] Yeah. And that is the end. That's our coverage of Dead to Me. Any closing thoughts?

[02:04:11] I've had a great time with you. I've really had the best time.

[02:04:14] Yeah. Thank all you guys and that was a good one.

[02:04:19] Yeah. Thank you so much for writing in and for sticking with us. If you listened to,

[02:04:24] you know, most of the episodes, some of the episodes, one of the episodes,

[02:04:27] this episode, if you're listening now, thank you.

[02:04:30] I seriously, what a journey. This show means so much to me. So anyone who shared

[02:04:36] little bits of this experience, especially you two guys,

[02:04:40] it's like the highlight of my week every week.

[02:04:42] Seriously, I'm so glad. If I had to say goodbye to you two, I would be very,

[02:04:47] very much more sad. The fact that I don't have to say goodbye to you two and we're

[02:04:51] gearing up for another show very soon is like making it better.

[02:04:55] Yeah. It was really fun. Yeah, it was good.

[02:04:57] Just party going.

[02:04:58] Keep it going. Yeah. That's it for Dead to Me, but the three of us have not reached the end.

[02:05:03] This is not the end. Let's talk about what's coming up. First off,

[02:05:09] Jay, you and our friend Erica are going to be covering Marvelous Mrs. Maisel in early January.

[02:05:15] Yes. Second week of January. We're going to have our first episode out.

[02:05:19] Yeah. And then the three of us are going to continue the party on

[02:05:23] Ryan Johnson's poker face with Natasha Lyonne starring who can tell when anybody's lying and

[02:05:29] has to solve mysteries. And that's coming later on in January. Both of those podcasts will

[02:05:34] be their own individual podcast, but they will also both be published in the House Podcastica Feed.

[02:05:39] But we would love it if you guys would go out and subscribe to those individual podcasts when

[02:05:43] they come out so they can go up in the rankings and will be super popular and will be winners

[02:05:47] and successful. And that'll be great. And you can help us with that. And if you want to

[02:05:52] stay notified on all that, you can follow us at facebook.com slash podcastica or twitter.com

[02:05:58] slash podcastica, assuming Twitter's still around. And then another last thing is out today

[02:06:06] as we're recording this on Netflix is Glass Onion, which I need to freaking watch before I read a

[02:06:11] spoiler because they're out there. That's the sequel to Ryan Johnson's Knives Out, which will

[02:06:17] get us ready nicely for poker face. But we're going to be covering Glass Onion,

[02:06:21] the three of us on our movie podcast, It's Showtime folks next week, right?

[02:06:25] Yeah, next week. That's what's coming up.

[02:06:30] Thrilling. It's thrilling. I'm so psyched for this film to watch Glass Onion. I'm so ready

[02:06:35] for another mystery for the next installment of Knives Out. Yeah, it is. Yeah, I think that very

[02:06:42] few mysteries do it really right and it's not easy. It's just not easy. And you can never

[02:06:49] please everybody. It was good. Knives Out had a light touch and it was enjoyable and engaging and

[02:06:56] surprising and Glass Onion. Subscribe to It's Showtime folks. That's by the way, if you didn't

[02:07:02] realize it's our movie podcast. It's Showtime folks just came out. We had one episode so far

[02:07:07] and that was with Jade, Penny and Daphne on Miracle on 34th Street, the 1947 classic Just

[02:07:12] in Time for Christmas. So that's out there right now for you to listen to if you want.

[02:07:17] And I just want to thank you all again for listening. We love you guys. It's been so

[02:07:23] gratifying fulfilling to dive into the show and it's been great. It's been so great.

[02:07:29] All right, that is our show. Thanks everyone so much for listening. Oh and by the way everyone

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