17: "Regent" (S2E5)

[00:00:29] Hey everybody, I'm Wendy. I'm Kristen. And I'm Sam. And this is Dragon Cast, a podcast dedicated to House of the Dragon. And this week we are discussing the House of the Dragon, Season 2, Episode 5, Regent.

[00:00:47] And Kristen, I'm so excited that you came back. We're so excited to have you. Thank you for having me. Tell us. I know you've been binging, been busy this week. I have seen every episode. I watched five episodes in 24 hours. Oh, wow. Whoa.

[00:01:08] So I'm coming off of a major binge. You know, I told myself I wasn't going to watch this season. I really did. I was like, I'm not going to do it. Not going to do it. And then I did it. So

[00:01:22] I really like this season a lot. Yeah. There's a lot going on. Yeah. I don't know what you guys have been discussing, but I kind of love Aegon. Is that like, is that okay to say? Yes. I do feel like that's where

[00:01:39] we are. Okay. It's actually one of my points. I have a massive crush on the child. Like, I just like love him. I'm just, when is he coming back? I hate it that he burned after hell. Like,

[00:01:55] I need him to come back in his ill-fitting King armor and drinking his flag in a wine as he takes. He's a cat this episode. Have you noticed he's a cat? He just like pushes off the picture.

[00:02:09] That was last week. That was last week because he's burned this week. Not much. I'm sorry. Week. No, that's okay. But I'm loving Aegon big time. But I totally agree with you. I think they have upped our empathy for Aegon this season.

[00:02:27] You know, you really see that he is a king that is, is a product of his environment. Yes. You know, he wanted to be good. That's what I saw in the beginning of the season is I saw,

[00:02:40] and again, I binge this in 24 hours. So I've watched Aegon descend into madness over the next, over the last 24 hours until he ultimately met a fiery pit. I mean, it's been a really wild ride watching him in these first five episodes. The actor who plays

[00:03:00] him is phenomenal, phenomenal. Yeah. Tom Glincarni. Yeah. Thank God he's 30. I heard he's 30. So yeah, he's a VH. You're okay. Yeah. I was like, he's around 30. Yeah. Because I love him. Yeah. And that's very unexpected from where we came off of last season.

[00:03:21] Right. Absolutely. From the kid who was wanking out the window of the right. That was our introduction to him. Yeah, he's come a long way. Yeah, he has. And assaulting Diana. Yeah. My gosh. He is one of my points in there too of how they're fostering empathy

[00:03:45] for the Greens this season, which I actually enjoy. Yeah, I've been enjoying it. I just want to say welcome to Sam. Sam's been on a couple of our lives and I'm really glad you

[00:03:56] got to come and do a full episode with us. Oh, thank you so much for having me. How was this your first time, Sam? Yep, on the Dragon podcast. Yeah, me. You guys are amazing.

[00:04:11] And how have you been enjoying this season? Oh, I love it. I'm obsessed. I am in my house of the dragon timeframe. This is who I am just like so into this universe. And that's odd

[00:04:24] considering I've never read the books and the book, I should say, or the Game of Thrones books. So I'm really just enjoying each and every episode. Even the boring parts, I'm just riveted. I have

[00:04:35] a root beer float and turn off the lights, turn off my phone and watch the episode. Great. And try to go to sleep. All right. Well, Sam, do you want to give us your first point?

[00:04:48] Sure. I mean, I think we started a little bit on Egon. Yeah, sorry about that. No, no, no. I think that totally works. So thinking about Egon, actually, I really love Tom Glenn Carney as well, Kristen, of how that actor brings so much humanity to Egon the second.

[00:05:09] And it makes me forget at times about his brutality, even in this episode where there was just really disgusting parts of this from, you know, the subtitles putting pus squelching, which made me a little sick when they were taking off his armor to the slowest

[00:05:30] ambulance in all Westerosi history. They were just I thought he was dead in that. And that seems like a funeral procession. Yes. The only reason why I knew that he wasn't dead was because I knew he wasn't dead. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And

[00:05:47] I can only imagine that anybody that has not read the books and again, I don't know how you're doing it this season, but I'm not going to say anything ever. But I can imagine that

[00:05:57] the last week has been a little nerve wracking for anybody that maybe has is trying to stay spoiler free. Yeah, it definitely is. I know Ruck has helped. I mean, did you did you guys know that that

[00:06:12] he was going to live? Or did you think he was dead? I figured based on the last scene that we had, where it seemed like Amond was going to finish him off and then didn't I just felt like

[00:06:27] yeah, I just felt like what was the purpose of that scene if he doesn't live. So so I expected him to live. And they also pointedly showed Sunfire breathing. So I felt like Sunfire was going

[00:06:42] to live too. Okay, I was so wrapped up in trying to find the mess that was Aegon in there that I forgot to check for life for the dragon. I know they said that Sunfire dead. I can't figure it out

[00:06:59] because they said that we left a I think it was Krispy Krestin. I guess we can't call him the Krispy one anymore. But he said that we left the dragon at Rook's rest and the dragon was not long

[00:07:12] for living. And I'm like, wait a minute is is Sunfire still alive? So Sunfire is alive. I think she is. He is I don't know. But I thought so but I could be wrong. Earlier in the episode they said that it vagar is completely depleted right now.

[00:07:34] And so my guess that is that even if Sunfire is alive because off the top of my head, I can't remember. I think that they said that Sunfire is alive just hurt. And so that was like a really big battle

[00:07:49] for a smaller dragon just as much it was for Vagar who's the biggest dragon. So my guess is is that all the dragons need to nap right now. So this is this is a really good time to talk

[00:08:00] to each other. Yeah, that's a great way to put it. And they said that I can't remember which of the aftershows but they said that they've been transporting Aegon for like 10 days or more.

[00:08:16] And that's why it was all like the way he must have stunk and now I'm just oh we're Sunfire. So like this episode I think this whole season at least for me has been fostering

[00:08:29] such empathy for the Greens. And then I liked how the writers brought in Diana at the end of the episode of like just in case you're starting to feel too bad for Aegon because the actor is so talented and

[00:08:41] funny and charismatic and just charming. Remember someone that he essayed last season who's still here. It's like oh yeah that's right thank you for bringing me back. Well I was certain that in the last scene that we saw Diana that she was being poisoned. So I guess

[00:09:00] that wasn't true. Yeah when she showed up at the tavern. Because I had I guess she was she was really giving her moon tea. I had thought she was actually poisoning her. Yeah I did too.

[00:09:15] I did too. Oh and oh you like last season. Yeah. Yeah I think we did know that that was moon tea. I think we did know that because it comes in the special jar. I just thought they were pretty jarred. I just

[00:09:33] always thought the worst. I thought they were poisoning her. Well because because Allison and her father are evil. Yes they definitely were last season. There's no good people in the show.

[00:09:44] Let's just go with that one. Except for maybe Helena Targaryen. Or Helena. I know a little cute guy. Or Claire Boyant. Seer. Wendy in your medical professional opinion 10 days in a wooden litter

[00:10:01] crate with severe burns what would invite what kind of infection? I mean like why didn't they bring him back via Aamon's dragon? Does Aamon try to kill him? Yeah I mean I mean and and so you stopped

[00:10:18] to cut off the head of Mayleis before trying to get him to help like and then and then you carted his body through the city and thought what that was gonna reassure people. I like that they

[00:10:34] kept him hidden. So I didn't catch on the first watch they kept his litter like significantly hidden like when they took that bag out I was like oh he's dead and they didn't even take his

[00:10:46] armor off. The poor kid like I don't think that they could get his armor off like when you saw the grand maester when he came in and he was like he was cutting him out of that like that

[00:10:59] was just that was muscle and it really reminded me of Anakin Skywalker. Yes! You know what? Yes! You're very correct. I mean that's really any kind of had that sort of presence to begin with so

[00:11:18] I definitely was seeing the ties there. Oh interesting. I didn't even put that together that's awesome. I think it's because that Aegon is playing a much better spoiled brat than Hayden Christensen. Than Anakin was and yeah thank you then Hayden Christensen

[00:11:36] yeah did so. Yeah I would agree with that. Yes I like how they it's very Hollywood they left half of his face still looking handsome. Of course. Of course. It's HBO. He's beautiful

[00:11:48] he's a beautiful man let's just you know very much. I don't know if I've talked about this enough yet. I'm sure you were not alone even more than those of us on this call. Wowza! How about for you Wendy how about your first point? I guess the patriarchy.

[00:12:12] Karma! Burn it. So it seems like both the blacks and the greens are having some issues fighting the patriarchy. Both Allison and Rhaenara are basically told that in peace people might be accepting of a woman having some power but in wartime what would the gentler sex

[00:12:36] know about war? I hated that line yeah but I thought that Rhaenara's response was spot on. Yeah yeah I know just as much as you do. Yeah that was like oh there's more than

[00:12:49] one way a Targaryen can burn you. Yeah Rhaenara's council wants to keep her in Dragonstone they want to make decisions for her they really would like her to just leave it all to them. She's alone

[00:13:06] Daemon is acting against her interests, Coralus is off grieving, Jace is chomping at the bit flying off without her permission. It feels like she's really barely holding it all together. And then Allison little by little losing all of her power she immediately steps up to run the council

[00:13:29] and is rejected by almost everybody in the room. I think the grandmeister is it Orliss? I think he was the only one who sort of agreed with her that that would be good who he seems

[00:13:43] like he's probably the stablest guy in the room but everybody else including Crispy betrays her and gives the power away and definitely seems like Aamond is making a power move he couldn't wait.

[00:14:01] He said almost nothing just waited for it all to land in his favor and then went and grabbed that stone orb he was just waiting for his chance to take over. I love it I mean as much as I related

[00:14:19] to Allison in that scene where she I mean it was just beautiful filming of the men talking around her and her I mean Olivia Cooke just did a brilliant job of just her expressions and

[00:14:31] you could see her just becoming furious and it's like oh I think a lot of us women have been there in that position and really Allison this is fucking karma like what did you think?

[00:14:44] You were backing these men because a woman shouldn't be in the throne and you think they were going to back you being in a position of power I mean Lara says it as much and we're sort of seeing

[00:14:56] just with Allison's decision how much things have gone downhill in a matter of weeks or months. I mean Reneara says she inherited 80 years of peace from her father and now there's bodies of rat catchers hanging rotting from the castle I think that scene was very purposeful and two

[00:15:13] Targaryen princes and one Targaryen princess have been murdered let alone a dragon has been slain possibly to it's absolute madness in that they've been trying to usurp the throne and now she's seeing even she is not exempt from this. Yeah and it's like yeah this is exactly

[00:15:31] what you get even the two guys who saw you as a sex object aren't going to side with you because that's how the patriarchy works. Yep and it's like she's like my you know I did it before yeah you

[00:15:43] and your father did it before not just you so yeah it's like just very furiating. I definitely agree with big parts of what you're saying I do know that Allison was never about

[00:15:58] Reneara being a woman and being queen she was the like like Reneara said the last time that they saw each other before Viserys died she told Reneara I think you'll make a wonderful queen

[00:16:15] they were all united on it she was under the impression that Viserys changed his mind when she found out that she had and I don't know how you guys interpreted the episode but to me

[00:16:32] Allison 100% knows that she made a mistake in the interpretation of her husband's final words now she does I agree and yeah and so when she walks into that small council and you see this rage

[00:16:48] within her as everybody starts talking around her and faded echoes after Aamond has taken control and taken his ball and what I see is is a woman who has created this mess and she has lost control

[00:17:05] of the mess that she has created and the biggest mess that she has created is her son Aamond who is now in charge of everything yeah and I agree that that 100% is karma and she deserves every last

[00:17:20] bit of it but at the same time in this moment the weight of what she's done and the weight of the fact that she cannot unring this bell has fallen on her in this moment and I think it's a very

[00:17:37] important moment for Allison and for us to see Allison kind of breathing through that moment and figuring out holy shit what do I do next because it's all over we know it it's all over

[00:17:54] oh yeah absolutely for most of allison's life especially in the beginning she was just living at the whims of what the men around her told her what to do and for a brief moment in time she

[00:18:07] felt like she had some control over things and on and it seems like that's all over now the men around her again controlling her fate her destiny and they don't trust the fact that

[00:18:21] she did grow up she grew up this way she grew up as the king's wife she ruled instead of him when he was ill grand she was poisoning him okay but she was still ruling she knows how to rule

[00:18:40] and yes it was in peace but just like Raniera said in Dragonstone let them know anything about war none of them right everyone is spinning their wheels right now and to pretend otherwise is ridiculous and that's that's a great point christen of Raniera pushed back

[00:18:58] Allison didn't well Raniera's queen I mean she's Raniera's always pushed back and and so the idea of like Allison's falling back into what she has and it's what she's been brainwashed into thinking and doing and knowing and the fact that she jumped so quickly when

[00:19:20] Viseris was dying and these random words that get spouted out on his deathbed without you know double checking it if the filter cognitive bias so then she went with it and you know altered all

[00:19:34] these changes even though his entire life I should say their entire marriage Viseris had always championed Raniera up until his I mean his dying act was to champion her so like she didn't seem to pause and be like wait that doesn't really make a lot of sense

[00:19:53] and yeah I'm totally with you I'm like she's realizing she jumped to the wrong conclusion yeah of a man who was high and dying and it is I mean for me it's it's frustrating because I can

[00:20:05] empathize with her and I'm also seeing it as like yeah that's karma absolutely how about you Kristen well I talked about Aegon obviously beautiful Aegon beautiful Aegon man beautiful Aegon

[00:20:22] one thing that I really loved seeing and a lot of this has to do with a lot of this has to do with the fact that I just binged all these episodes but I feel like it has kind of come

[00:20:34] to a climax here in this episode is we are getting this really unique character perspective of the small folk of the people of King's Landing and you feel their tension and you feel their hunger

[00:20:50] and you feel their desperation and when Raniera was talking to Nisinde Nisinde Missande Missare sorry oh no that's the other Targaryen handmade yeah Miss Aria is the Lady of Whispers that she has yeah got it okay so when she's talking to her Lady of

[00:21:14] Whispers she gives her the opportunity to say there are more than one there's more than one way is to skin a cat right like you can let the men and this is building on on the patriarchy

[00:21:28] theme that we had going on you can let the men play at their war and play at their fighting and all pretend that they know what they're talking about while you get the people on your side

[00:21:40] and I can't wait to see how that's going to eventually play out you know I think that food would go a really long way with loyalty right now yeah just like dropping

[00:21:55] it's really cool to me to see that that the people in general are their own character they have their own storyline this season so I've I've really enjoyed also watching how today's society is kind of woven into this pattern a little bit about false information and the

[00:22:18] rural areas being really steadfast and staunch in their beliefs were in the cities where it's more packed and they have more information they're a little bit more upset about what's going on

[00:22:29] and it like the way that that is very subtly written in to this war effort that's going on this civil war that is happening in westeros it the parallels are a lot for me personally which is difficult to be quite honest but I thought about that this week

[00:22:57] right you really see this week we're just coming off of an assassination tempt of the head of the house supposedly could say in the head of the house all I could think of is art imitating life or

[00:23:09] life in the art propaganda yeah you think this world is so fictional and far-fetched and then things like that happen and you're like it's just people right exactly and they have you know they have the

[00:23:23] whispers and the draught like they go hey we just need to make sure that the people know this that the people know that and and and there's this whole back scenes that we know about right

[00:23:35] because we're the we're the the viewer and we know the whole story right but you see at the end of this episode that the people are like whoa whoa what do you mean the prince regent amand hang on time out

[00:23:48] they had no idea that agon is at the picture right now and so it's that they're so far removed from what is actually going on and there's an official quote unquote message that's going

[00:24:04] out from the palace right now from from the crown right and you've got all these people that want the crown and now you've got daemon who has some drug fueled madness happening to him over in heron

[00:24:18] hall and then you've got um who is it we're nera and agon and now amand's like me too and so he throws his eye patch into the ring I mean everybody's like vying for power right

[00:24:31] now it's crazy it's crazy and then yeah you turn on the news and uh uh uh everybody's vying for power right now yep I'm so sorry a little no no I'm on a rant no no no it it's so true yeah it resonates

[00:24:47] with me because like this episode really hammered home exactly what you're describing chris and I think you did a wonderful job describing it like no one really won the battle at rucks rest in the

[00:24:58] show everyone people sure did it team black team green the realm in general and it's like textbook 101 in psychology don't mess with people's like sense of security like it's a maslow's hierarchy of needs

[00:25:12] they need to have shelter food and water if they don't have that you're fucked like you're in some really bad like ways here and on top of that a lack of transparency leaders mistakenly think

[00:25:25] that that's a good way to hold on to power and secrecy what it does is it makes the small folk like I am a small folk in our country sorry for the non-american listeners but I'm sure you guys

[00:25:36] can have an idea of what we're going through yeah a lot of processing here our country is the world's tiger cake we're fine yeah yeah our planet the aliens are like on this season of hers they passed over

[00:25:49] us yeah they're like what is going on but it's the withholding of information and the lack of transparency leads people to make up their own stories and I think that's where a lot of leadership

[00:26:00] really also falls short and that's like as a psychologist who works with medical teams be honest they're going to make up their own opinions and you want to control that right

[00:26:09] but they're not they're messing with it and it's all like I'm with you chris now I want to see how this is going to implode from in there and how renair can absolutely come on top in there

[00:26:20] yes I totally agree I love getting a peek into the people in king's landing and I can't remember if he has a name yet but he's the one that's like I'm the best I'm the bastard brother

[00:26:35] of the king oh I don't know like alf but with you yes because I was like oh it's alf the mayor of southern king's landing or something I don't know I made it up my head but I remember alf

[00:26:52] so I would love to see this guy ride a dragon like he was my first thought at the end when they started talking about hidden tardigarries getting dragon riders I was like somebody needs to get

[00:27:08] the guy in king's landing I'm pretty sure he's got a claim to a dragon yes yes I'm so excited we're about to get a Targaryen 23 and me next week of just like like trial by fire like literally

[00:27:23] because it doesn't feel like the dragons take to it very kindly if people try to mount them I think we heard like rena almost lost her life trying to do it I had a question about that that's the

[00:27:33] first time we've heard about that right I know we didn't see it so they said that um Rhaenara mentions that rena nearly lost her life while trying to bond with the dragon which I assumed was probably Vhagar but maybe I'm wrong yeah I do too

[00:27:50] Vhagar was her mother's dragon and traveled with her from pentos to back to Driftmark to Barry Laina yeah and I figured she would have tried to take that take Vhagar but I didn't know like I think that's the first we've ever heard of that

[00:28:11] yeah on the show that she tried to bond with the dragon there is a story about that in the book if it wasn't on the show because I know that there is a story about that yeah I can look

[00:28:24] at some point yeah I'm sure Renny can help us and talk about it next week too she's wonderful and I miss her yeah well so good and then the focus on Hugh Hammer makes me very

[00:28:37] curious on on his purpose and I laugh every time I hear his name because it sounds like such a porn star name it really does like Hugh Hammer it's like okay but I I don't know that they

[00:28:50] keep bringing him in and I'm like to what like is he gonna build like a dragon killing arrow for Rhaenara I'm not sure because they were trying to leave the city so I know that they keep bringing

[00:29:02] in these characters I'm not sure what they're trying to do with them like Diana's gonna factor in next week but I don't know how yet what are you guys yeah I didn't know if they're just

[00:29:10] doing that to do exactly what Kristen was talking about to give us this slice of the small folks life which I have liked I just feel like sometimes I need more context about

[00:29:22] like why we're doing this yeah but I mean this is the second or third time we've seen him so I'm gonna say yes they're doing something with him yeah makes sense yeah Sam I think we're back to you

[00:29:37] one of the first things that came to mind for me of this episode is the tragedy of Coraless Valerian ha Steve Toussaint is so brilliant in this role I mean that opening scene of him

[00:29:51] walking around his empty palace and Bail I think later on talks about the 180 that it's been when we saw it in season one even that was full of life and full of people and now it's like its own

[00:30:05] haunted house I mean it could give Heron Hall a run for its money like he even says he's like it's a house full of ghosts at this point and I mean he believes both of his children have died

[00:30:15] his brother Vaman his heir Luceris and now his wife and he sort of left there by himself and his speech that that the speech that Bailag has with him is just one of the most powerful

[00:30:30] scenes this season for me I think both of them did a fantastic job and she brings up that he gathered great riches and influence and it was all for Rhaenys and he wanted his bloodline in

[00:30:43] the history books and now his bloodlines almost completely gone I have this quote that I actually screenshot from their conversation I if it's all right for me to go through it really quickly

[00:30:56] yeah yeah absolutely Baila Rhaenys was not only your wife not a thing to be taken from you she was a Targaryen princess the queen who never was and she flew to Rook's rest of her own will

[00:31:11] in defense of her kin Corlys and she died Baila she died as she would have wished to die with honor in dragon fire the way my mother chose and the way I myself wish to meet my end I grieve my

[00:31:28] grandmother who loved me but I carry her on with me I will see Rhaenys ascend the iron throne as Rhaenys wished as Rhaenys herself should have you yourself may do as you see fit Corlys I wish to make you

[00:31:45] my heir Baila I am blood in fire driftmark must pass to salt and sea I mean Baila Targaryen the queen to be yeah he's amazing to follow in her grandmother's legacy oh I cannot wait for her

[00:32:03] and Jace as rulers I mean I don't want to think that happened to Rhaenys she's had such incredible like she's the biological child of Laina and Daemon there's a power duo right and then she's had

[00:32:18] all these incredible female influences in her life Rhaenys like she's just shaping up to be amazing she's 75 blood of the dragon too yeah oh that's right yes I remember someone did the calculations

[00:32:37] on it and it's a punnett squares I know let's bring in the modern day science like she is Corlys's legacy what he's always wanted and he couldn't be more distant from her

[00:32:51] because of grief because of loss and she gives him the ability to come back to have purpose and that speech is sort of her way of saying like I'm blood and fire so is Rhaenys this is

[00:33:03] Rhaenys bringing you to the table again and it's an honor I just think that was such a beautiful scene I mean that scene where Steve Toussaint let that one single tear go down I so good so yeah

[00:33:18] I was just struck by where he was in season one to where he is now is just a tragedy do you think he's gonna accept being her hand I think so I I mean he made it seem like I thought I know

[00:33:34] the answer so I'm just gonna stay silent no no that's okay just if you were wondering why it was silence because I know the answer okay I think him looking at it made me and and that speech yeah

[00:33:46] I think like this is his answer I thought so yeah and I think he'll make a great hand too I think he's just has to come to some realities that are hard to come to

[00:33:58] and he's grieving so I I think it's reasonable for him to take some time yeah absolutely you know it's such an interesting character because he's so he was so hot up in his legacy that he

[00:34:10] forgot about his life it's a great way of putting it and now he's paying the price so yeah you know he's got some red in his ledger I think yes absolutely yeah absolutely I'll just continue

[00:34:31] I had a little bit more about Baila I thought the conversation between Baila and Rana was really sweet you can see why people love Rana and why she fosters so much loyalty

[00:34:45] she's really sincere and kind and truthful she's trying so hard to be just and kind to all of those who have rallied around her even some of her council members like she's very

[00:34:58] very even keeled she listens to what they have to say she accepts when some of their words are truthful but also fights to make sure they understand that she's the queen yes and I think that's a hard

[00:35:15] balance to find and she does a really good job of it whereas the greens are just not doing a good job of that they're really crawling all over each other to get that power and

[00:35:25] and Rana is trying to wield it so balanced it kind of puts it back into perspective about why we are team black yes yes I love that I love the way you were we're pulling together

[00:35:39] how she presents herself to the different people of her kingdom and with Jace doing his own things and coming back it just reminded me so much of Rana and how Rana would handle things and

[00:35:52] even when they were going that's true like he's totally his mother son I never thought about that she kind of did the same thing and that's probably why she forgave it and just understood

[00:36:04] yeah and she goes well the history books say that only dragon why writers can can claim a dragon he's like well the history books meant to kill us as gods i'm like that's something

[00:36:15] Raniera would say yeah little Raniera so her leadership really reminds us of the fact that she grew up on the small council her father taught her how to lead her father taught her how to

[00:36:34] be a queen so we're seeing that difference we're seeing that juxtaposition right you've got in king's landing you've got this petulet child who was never meant to lead he was never meant to be

[00:36:49] king so nobody taught him how to do it and then you see Raniera on the other side who is against all odds somehow staying calm I mean she just lost her father her son her husband flew off

[00:37:08] and cut a kid's head off for all she knows she doesn't know what's going on with him Rainies Rainies is gone she she is alone right now and she is somehow still keeping her cool

[00:37:23] and if that isn't a woman I don't know what is and then you've got you know whatever is had like the frat house that's happening over at king's landing oh my gosh even the king's guard the king's landing bros the king's guard they're like you

[00:37:43] know they're uncomfortable in their in their armor and why is christen cole still wearing armor can we talk about that he's the hand of the king does he have a magnet like does it just

[00:37:54] go on top of his armor like he's got to do one or the other right I mean he's doing both I feel like he's just the bro well he's not doing either of them very good very well no

[00:38:06] he's not what happens when you fail up that's what Ron Swanson once said never whole never half asked two things whole ass one thing so that means it's my turn right yep I want to turn to

[00:38:24] jace for a few minutes he may be the best of all of them I know yeah when I see him you know in the beginning you see him and we're with him in winterfell and we're seeing how diplomatic he is and

[00:38:43] how smart he is he's walking the wall he's learning he is taking what the series and Reneira takes so seriously and that's learning about your realm learn about your people find out

[00:38:56] what they need how can you help them how can they help you these are tenants of leadership that you don't see in a game such as this yes so it's really it's really fun to watch him kind of start

[00:39:13] to spin out of control a little bit in this episode because he's so young and he's so like just get me in there I just want to stab something I'm gonna get it oh yeah come on let me go you know but he's

[00:39:27] like on the outside you know he's still like he's cool he's like okay well let's have some wine let's talk here at the at the twins in the middle of the bridge which was a fantastic meeting spot

[00:39:39] if we could just say that real quick yeah and he was so good at negotiation he's so diplomatic and he was so endearing and he he knew when to be quiet he knew when to talk I think I think he

[00:39:56] might be the best of all of them um he definitely has a mind for strategy when at the end that final scene with him and Reneira talking about how do they turn this war around how do they start

[00:40:12] getting some wins right jace thinks let's go let's go to that knowledge that you have that they don't seem to think that they have no respect for I mean we just learned a couple

[00:40:24] episodes ago that um beautiful agon decided he didn't want all of all of the history books you know what I'm saying right Reneira when we are looking at her she's reading she is in a book

[00:40:38] she is finding that strength from the history of her family as she has been taught and you can see that that's happening with jace as well jace says you know what we can use all of this to our

[00:40:50] advantage let you we need we have dragons that need riders guess what Targaryens like to fuck a lot so let's go find Targaryen and get Bermuda dragon and see what works I mean it's brilliant

[00:41:05] it is and they're also very pretty uh I I also love with jace I I mean I love seeing the psychic bond between the dragons and the dragon rider with vermax he's such a cutie pie he was just

[00:41:19] looking over at the twins and he was restless because jace was nervous with the phrase I don't I just let those such a cute little add-on oh justice for ground puppies and air puppies and it's interesting to me that you say that because

[00:41:37] allicent also was reading the books and the histories and had them spread out all over her room but no one's listening to Alice listening to Alice Alice's dad is gone and I think that she has

[00:41:54] realized that her dad had a lot to do with her place oh and now without her father she really is powerless and she's made these monster children and her best friend is gone

[00:42:12] and she's betrayed her best friend and her husband is dead and now her dad's gone so and her boyfriend's rejecting her boyfriend's a dick and her stalker's also rejecting her yeah I was like and do you guys think so I had this little thought when

[00:42:32] allicent was going through all the history books and everything I'm like is she trying to do like what people will do nowadays of like fact check it's like no no

[00:42:41] I know I'm right let me look at the history books or we would google to be like I know I'm right and then finding out that you're still wrong like she was trying to prove herself right

[00:42:50] he was talking about egg on the second I also think she misses viscera's in some ways it was it was her stability and it probably comforts her to read the books that he loved so much

[00:43:03] and do the activities that she probably saw him do that for so long oh that's a good point I miss viscera's too and Luke back to Sam so make a little bit of a left turn here talking about

[00:43:20] the idiocy of Kristen Cole parading a dragon's head through the city he is terrible at PR like that is the symbol of Targaryen power and influence and he just like it was destroyed and

[00:43:36] he was like I don't get it why why don't they like this we won and queen high tower of all people is like did we which made me wonder I'm like Wayne just like that for the entire 10 days of like

[00:43:49] oh you're an idiot and it was just it stability is shattered because of this cognitive dissonance abounds because the dragons made Targaryen's closer to gods it made them the small folk

[00:44:03] like you were talking about Kristen it made them feel safe and now that they know that the very symbol of stability can be taken away terror filters into the city and the way they filmed it was so brilliant

[00:44:16] it was this slow roll of tension that built up like shock and denial and then fear and anger of like this can't stand Raniro will will lash out Raniro will get revenge and yeah

[00:44:31] it was just such a massively terrible move and I think we'll see the repercussions of that it's funny that you say that too because the people calling out about what Raniro was going to do

[00:44:46] in retaliation really says that king's landing is probably pretty sharply divided on who their ruler is as well. So and that tension was built very beautifully with with the people of king's

[00:45:04] landing shutting them in that fear element the sick kids you know you really got a sense of how this high born war is really affecting the people of that they're that they're trying to rule

[00:45:22] right it's not about the people we all know this we're all living it's not about us it's just not yeah and it's it's dumb what do you think locking them in is going to do it's only going to add

[00:45:36] disconnect content yeah it's not going to stop information no it's yeah it's like one oh one it's like lock lock them in that'll make them trust you was that the intention I thought that was

[00:45:49] the intention was so nobody would go out to the rural areas and talk about how bad things are rural areas where you really have your biggest supporters just to let you know right yeah it's like that's a

[00:46:04] great way to get their support lock them in like it was interesting and it reminds me of season one where Damon took teen renara around to the small folk and she was like I don't care what they have to

[00:46:20] say and Damon's like you should and this is like sort of revisiting that and and I wish our current Damon was as wise yeah you know he's an idiot he's another pretty idiot he's not a gun

[00:46:35] do you think that maybe a reason for keeping the people in is also so that they couldn't sell what they had out and maybe get money and food a different way so no commerce I don't know yeah to make them

[00:46:55] more reliant and dependent on the crown I don't know I'm struggling like you are with why would we why would we shut the gates so I think from us so I'm just going to my nerdy psychological brain

[00:47:09] from what I understand from moves like this in the past is that if people start fleeing kings landing it will give the impression that they're losing the war they're losing power so like why

[00:47:23] are your people your supporters fleeing you've lost control you like that's going to ripple throughout all the kingdoms of people are fleeing kings landing because thank you so much that makes so much more

[00:47:34] sense yeah that's a lot better than what Wendy and I had prepared yeah I'm just I'm just throwing it out of like I think that's what they're trying to do it's like impression control and it's like

[00:47:49] yeah explode on them because it looks bad when people are fleeing a place so I think that's kind of pulling it out into the light for everyone yeah I had a little bit on that I was just thinking that

[00:48:01] the modern day people have never seen a dragon war yeah and they've come to know the dragons really as a symbol of peace as their protectors and here you right and here you are marching and you

[00:48:16] know like any common sense person would be like well the dragon didn't start the war the why is the dragon responsible for this like that's just silly so I can't imagine carting may leases steaming head through the streets is going to win anyone anything no

[00:48:40] and it's also just really stupid yes yes yes made me upset to see it and and he's fatalistic like he almost just doesn't care he doesn't care about his own life he doesn't care about anybody

[00:48:56] else so like he's not somebody good to put in charge because he's like he's just see the nihilist he's ready to nihilist yes yeah yeah absolutely just wants to watch the world burn yeah and then

[00:49:11] when he sees it he's like oh no it was a bad thing I was like what did you expect was going to happen like at least christin calls bend a war and I get it it wasn't a dragon war but like I mean

[00:49:22] there was a reason the women were vying very loudly to not bring the dragons in because this is what happens sir and now they're like whoops we've gone too far well I guess this is Renear

[00:49:38] analysis I told you so yeah and we see miss area sending one of renears handmaidens to seed this the discontent in the small folk so I thought that was really interesting I am liking miss area

[00:49:53] a lot better this see you smooth your accent out yes they they did something with it it was it was atrocious like they were trying to I think they were really trying hard to make it

[00:50:05] a combination of things that doesn't exist yes you know to make it novel or something but it just didn't work I think because she had it seemed like the actress was trying to do something that

[00:50:19] shouldn't be done and then and then it was causing a lot of pausing and lilting and and it just didn't seem natural at all and so this season has been much better and plus they've

[00:50:30] just made her more human yes I love her like last season I felt like she was very stiff and would and she was also going to like she's gonna marry Damon at one point and she yeah was pretending

[00:50:42] to be pregnant I mean like they did not know what to do with her character I think that you're completely right yes her paired with renear likes a very formidable team I know that I'm hoping

[00:50:55] we get to see that explored a little bit in the weeks to come all of Damon's ex-girlfriends in the same room who knew the bestie team up would be these two

[00:51:09] you know what and then put him in the center of it with a baseball bat and see what happens yeah it's like the besties team up I mean what can I say Damon Targaryen has good taste in women

[00:51:20] what can we say yeah all right Kristen so I already talked about Aegon a lot so we haven't really talked about Damon no I'd like to just touch on him a little bit

[00:51:35] this one of my points yeah the first question that I have before we actually discussed Damon has he slept it's hard to know what's hallucinations what's dreaming what's sleeping what's awake like I don't know because there is some kind of magical hold on him right now he is

[00:51:55] hallucinating he is having some weird experience at Harren Hall right now and Harren Hall is a weird place we know this I mean even in its best of days I'm pretty sure it was always

[00:52:09] dripping from the ceiling you know I mean Harren Hall has just never been a great place and there's a lot of bad omens and bad thoughts and bad stories when it comes to this place

[00:52:22] and now it's almost like Damon went there to chase ghosts like he just went to the creepiest place that he could find that nobody wants where nobody would bug him and where everybody would

[00:52:36] just call him king for a couple of weeks and he decided to do some peyote I don't know like what happened yeah I like that description of it better than anything he's gone to find himself

[00:52:53] with peyote in a haunted house I really believe that that is what's happening because at the very end of his arc in this specific episode he seems to snap out of it wait a minute like

[00:53:07] Rainies is dead wait a minute like Aegon might be dead you know he seems to have missed a couple of things him and Aimen I think are the real problems in this war I think if we were to just

[00:53:26] take them both out lift them both out we would be in a we wouldn't be fixed but we would at least be in a better spot because these two have such an hatred for each other that they're ready to burn

[00:53:40] Westeros down over it and just for the fight like they're not thinking of anything beyond the fight I think both of them want to be the king and they're both the brother of the king

[00:53:52] yes the the second born and they would both be terrible it's like the second born sons trying to find their way in the world and they both like chaos and I'm with you of like I think

[00:54:05] maybe early on if the two of them had just gone out it would fix things I think that's progressed too much in the realm and I think the battle of the windmill kind of kind of showed like

[00:54:18] this has triggered a cascade of effects I don't know with Aegon especially after his son being killed I don't know if there's a way to go back now even even if Aimen and Daemon were out

[00:54:34] with Daemon I always find him so entertaining I I find Matt Smith very attractive and I find this character very entertaining I will say when when Daemon is talking to Sir William he says

[00:54:49] like after that great scene of like Caraxes coming down and like I thought he was gonna dracarys the people and he didn't and Daemon's just they're looking all defeated I do think

[00:55:00] he made the right move like he's like these are good fighting men I need them it's so funny it's like I didn't think that they wanted to that they were not big of a hurry to die that was great

[00:55:12] yeah yeah and he's like these are the people I need I'm like good call sir this is what we're looking for and then Daemon says to Sir William Daemon said less fighting more persuading and then he made

[00:55:24] the Daemon eyes at him and I thought he meant to seduce them or something because he says like they're unyielding in battle and every man has a weakness like I don't know like I I didn't think

[00:55:39] that he was gonna say like Sir William go and do this but I thought he said less fighting more persuading and then what I was like this is weird why is he making this face and then we go on

[00:55:49] to find that the black woods continue to fight wouldn't they murder or take children and women hostage like Daemon just said less fighting more persuading so I'm like wait what happened here sir you

[00:56:04] need to be way more explicit I took it to mean that Daemon was telling them to go rape and pillage really yeah that's how I took it oh my gosh that's not less fighting because he said the crown

[00:56:17] can't be seen doing unseemly things like that so what he meant by less fighting was less fighting on the battlefield and more killing their hearts and minds oh my gosh Daemon that's awful oh my it's typical Daemon like yeah putting something into action that he hasn't thought through

[00:56:38] and then he's gonna claim that he didn't say that and then he looks but of course he did yeah that he's like oh what he's like yeah they flew your flags are like oh my god I did not pick

[00:56:49] up on that yeah no I took it is that right away that's what he meant yeah stop killing children he was basically giving them license to loot and burn and rape and everything that Reneira stands

[00:57:02] against he just gave them permission to do right and that they just fought over that's the problem see like this is like I think there's a part of Daemon who knows he can't be king I'm not

[00:57:14] really a big fan of this arc where suddenly he wants to be king and I don't know this is this is just my perspective at least in season one I think he wants the opportunity to be king but what he really

[00:57:30] wanted was Viserys' love like he had Viserys' love he had Viserys' love he didn't have a spot high enough on his high on a small council I think he wanted to be hand and he didn't get to be

[00:57:45] yeah he wanted to be hand and then he saw when his brother took away him as heir and I know hallucinogenic Rene has talked to him about it like he doesn't he does he saw it as a rejection

[00:57:57] at least from my point of view and like all in what she says like you're mad that my father loved me more than he loved you and he places her head off and it's like yep that's the wound

[00:58:08] right there of like both him and Aemon just want to be loved and they're going through these really destructive ways to try and get it and like he's like saying call me king I was like I don't know

[00:58:19] dude you've never seen like you really wanted the throne and you're not very good at this so like I find it hard that he's like that that he would even think Rene would accept it

[00:58:30] and that suddenly he's gone from crowning her on drowning stone on dragon stone to being like no I want to be king and she'll just be my wife it's like wait what's happening here

[00:58:42] it's not clear and I think they want us to question whether or not Damon is with her or he's splintering off completely in in a power grab of his own and I can only think that and this is

[00:59:02] me not having read the books I can I can only think that either they're heading to get them back together at the end and have a united force or or they're going to splinter off and it's not going

[00:59:16] to go well and knowing this story it could be either they could be both they could be both and I will say I think we have to label it because it's one of the things that everyone's

[00:59:27] talking about Damon having sex with his mom what I don't think he ever had sex with his mom no no no I mean like in his head I mean I think pretty sure she died when he was young oh yeah

[00:59:38] that was the hallucination was earlier in the episode the sex scene yeah oh I did not get that at all that was his mother oh yeah yeah that was his mom it was his mom and she because like

[00:59:54] it was I watched it twice with captions on yeah because I was like into it of like okay okay oh no like because she goes oh okay now I get what you're saying he looks so confused Wendy yeah because

[01:00:08] I know she goes I just thought it was like a random Targaryen no I you know what you know who I thought it was for a split second I thought it was didn't I thought it was Denearest I thought it was Emma

[01:00:21] I was like I don't know what this angle is but I'm here for it like I was really excited to see what would happen if they had okay I probably heard that and just thought that was some weird kinky

[01:00:33] stuff well I didn't I didn't take it as his mother yeah I guess it kind of is but like I was watching it going oh my goodness I found my fictional incest limit on the show and it's

[01:00:44] Damon eating out his mom oh my whole new term mother yeah I'm gonna have to watch it with new eyes yeah that's I mean that's the whole edipist complex anyways of the Targaryen family and

[01:01:00] know how well he knew his mother I think she died because I have to remember that I think she died when he was very young because the woman in the castle Alice Alice goes it's a shame you

[01:01:10] didn't get to know your mom your your mother so I think she must have died when he was pretty young gosh I hope it's not a memory I hope it's fictional

[01:01:21] this show you can never know on that note right all right where are we Sam is it back to you I just had two too quick like things like not even like full full points Sir Simon strong

[01:01:37] I love you diva you are wonderful I love that line where you know Damon's trying to get him to call my king he goes king regent like I don't know I think he's fantastic and such a delight

[01:01:51] I enjoy every time he's on screen I find him very entertaining and makes me wish we would have gotten to know the other strongs I feel like he assumes he's going to die soon and he's

[01:02:03] just gonna he's just trying to eat as much as he can before that does he remind you of though does he remind you of Sam well Tarly a little yeah with the humor like a more a more jaded

[01:02:15] like if Sam well Tarly like if we saw him at the end of his life it's like him and all of his you know crasher kids yeah he's just like yeah more jaded like I'm just here I thought I

[01:02:27] fought with John Stark you want to hear about that yeah this guy's figures like whatever happens I'm just going on with it I loved it and then also the hour of the wolf I looked that up because I

[01:02:41] was very very confused so the Brackens you know came in upset obviously so I'm hearing and they came in between three to four a.m according to Russian times and three to five a.m.

[01:02:57] in Swedish times is the hour of the wolf and it was thought that this was the time when people would give birth or die very frequently which I thought was an interesting time to

[01:03:07] I think that's accurate by the way oh thank you I was like I just googled it because I was like this is fascinating well I'm a hospice nurse and when I first moved into hospice I started

[01:03:20] obsessing over the statistics of it oh and like the time of day where most people die and it's so accurate like I don't know what it is but but that is really I have chills because that

[01:03:35] and that and that also lines up with Harrenhal being haunted and he heard the the the Brackens being murdered too we heard those crying and those screaming when he was being

[01:03:47] bopped the builder on the show that's not my joke I saw it online but I thought it was very funny of like person screaming coming from and Alice said she heard it in the wind but that sort

[01:03:57] of adds up with them coming in the hour of the wolf so I just thought that was really cool and my last point is someone get that that puppy an owner he needs a hug the the rat catcher's dog

[01:04:10] they keep showing us this yes and it breaks my heart every time someone's gotten dirty or adopted I know I know like someone not in the greens adopt me they just keep keep nailing it into

[01:04:24] our hearts right just like they keep doing it on purpose it hurts my feelings every time justice for ground puppies and air puppies I just had a little bit about Kristen and Alice in

[01:04:36] because I'm obsessed and I think Kristen really was not meeting eye contact with her he really was ignoring her as much as possible and she confronts him and she seems to be like asking

[01:04:51] where do we stand like that's how I took it she asked him if she still has his loyalty he seems to have been traumatized and impacted by the war that he the battle that he just fought

[01:05:04] through and seeing the carnage that the dragons can create but he just seems so broken he can't stop anything he's just plotting forward in his villain art he says the war is given over

[01:05:20] to the dragon so a dragon rider should lead us he talks to Allison and at one point he says is this who you are Allison I was trying to figure out is he really trying to spare her

[01:05:37] because he seems to have put her on this pedestal and that's probably before they started having sex he seems to have put her on this pedestal and really elevated her to something worth living for to protect her I think her grasping at power is disappointing

[01:05:56] to him in some way so is he really trying to spare her from doing evil or doing bad deeds and taking it on for her or is he is he just trying to hurt her I think the latter I don't

[01:06:12] think he knows what he's doing I don't think he knows what he's doing I think right now because you talked earlier about how he seems shaken up right he seems broken I don't think he has seen

[01:06:27] what a dragon can do no one has right for a while I think he's he's been to battle right he's been to battle and he knew what he was doing on that battlefield he knew what he was doing

[01:06:38] what he didn't understand was what he was inviting that's a good point and when you see all three of those dragons tangled up the way that they were you realize in one horrifying moment

[01:06:54] you let this get away from you right and and we've all been there in our lives right we have all been there with our small little lives that we have we have had the triple dragon

[01:07:05] holy shit moment in our life where we've said okay so I've let this go too far and now he doesn't know how to reel it back now we've got to understand that because the scene the scene with that you're

[01:07:20] talking about Wendy it really stuck with me as well and I think a lot of what this scene is also is that we know that Allison is still trying to kill your baby man so she has drank the moon tea herself

[01:07:36] because she's pregnant with his child and yeah so as she's trying to get past this event in her life and now the man that impregnated her has basically to her eyes given her given her oldest son a

[01:07:54] death sentence has shaken the entire realm because he is the king and her oldest son and her son's a monster and Kristen is on his side so it's all kind of piling up for her and I think that

[01:08:09] she wants to fight really bad and nobody is fighting with her and she has yeah she needs like one of those break rooms those destructive rooms you know like smash rooms I don't know what they're called it's an interesting dynamic between these two right now

[01:08:29] because they have both come back after this small council meeting and they're and they're having this very open conversation around other people and she yeah is miscarrying and he just watched

[01:08:45] what he just what we just watched last week and they're both so mad and so mad at themselves and mad at each other and everything's out of control I don't think that they even know how

[01:08:58] to look at each other Wendy I really don't I just think that it's you know Kristen doesn't know how to be handed the king no this was going to be my last point um so I'll just say it now

[01:09:11] when you look at Cole he is trying to make decisions he's trying to repeat past decisions of Otto Hightower Otto Hightower said we have an heir to the iron throne with his head chopped off

[01:09:28] sew it back on put the moms behind the kid and parade that shit through the town you will have the town eating out of your hand so Kristen Cole said oh they like parades that's

[01:09:43] great because I have this severed dragon head that I want to parade through his hand of the king to show you that I could do this too but what he doesn't understand is he doesn't understand the

[01:09:55] role that he's in he doesn't understand the history of the role that he's in he doesn't he it he comes from very modest backgrounds he had a fast track to where he is now because of

[01:10:08] Reneira and because of Allison and now the kid is going to ruin everything I really feel that way and so but you see Kristen and to me he is just he's just like Aegon beautiful Aegon

[01:10:26] he beautiful Aegon is trying to be Aegon the Conqueror well because we have Aegon the Conqueror and then we have a beautiful Aegon right Aegon the beautiful that's his name well I guess not anymore

[01:10:40] it should be but you see that Aegon doesn't know how to lead because nobody taught him how to lead so what does he do he goes and he puts on Aegon the Conqueror's armor armor to to

[01:10:52] feel like a king right Kristen Cole nobody taught him how to lead and now he's hand of the king so he's decided that he's going to do the last successful thing that Otto did hope it sticks

[01:11:06] to the wall and it turns out he doesn't know how to do anything really no I think what we have in King's Landing is all these people that are spinning out and everybody has backstabbed

[01:11:20] each other so much that even the people you trust you don't trust anymore and Allison and Kristen I think had that in each other at for a small amount of time and that's gone

[01:11:35] and both of them don't have anybody anymore yep I love that the way like you you phrased it for me it would it would settle better if it wasn't for beautiful Aegon you'd Krispy Cole

[01:11:52] and Allison's hubris like so much of this I go back to the end of season one and the hubris that they had in that they were doing the right thing despite taking a step back

[01:12:07] and looking at this and what we're seeing now is they are finally getting the consequences of their actions dating back to season one and it's like yeah no one taught you how to do this because

[01:12:20] you guys thought you could do this all by yourself you heard one loose rambling after decades of him backing Reneira of this stoned half dead man whispered once and it didn't

[01:12:34] even make any sense and you all and they were even conspiring to put Aegon on the throne before Allison said that so it's like this is their hubris this is what they're finally getting is karma and it's like Kristen Cole is traumatized poor beautiful Aegon is Krispy himself

[01:12:54] and it's like yeah but you guys did this to yourselves and Reneira is just trying to fix it and as she said this last episode this can't just be for a throne because she knows there's deeper reasonings here for the song of ice and fire

[01:13:10] and I guess I just like what the writers are doing is exactly what you're describing Kristen and I have maybe fleeting seconds of empathy especially for Allison because like you said

[01:13:22] there and then I go back to but you all did this and like you set this in motion I mean even beautiful Aegon did not want to be king so so like all of it no he didn't he didn't want to be king

[01:13:38] and he wasn't trained for it and it's like you're gonna put someone on there that hasn't been trained well he'll listen to his advisors oh did he because you don't control them once they're

[01:13:47] in the throne so we're sort of seeing this so like finally team green is getting some consequences because oh my god has team blacks been getting consequences this last year or last season I should

[01:13:59] yeah yeah I need them to have a few wins in the next couple of episodes I really need them to have some wins in the next couple of episodes I'm with you I'm with you yeah I'm ready for

[01:14:10] that yeah I'm ready I'm right I'm tired of seeing Renea is back against the wall team black beat up yeah I don't want a one-dimensional bad guy either but it's like okay enough they started this well

[01:14:26] I think also Emma Darcy is just doing an incredible job as Renea yeah they really know what they're doing with the subtle nuances and just the way that they carry themselves it's so Targaryen

[01:14:42] and I would imagine that it's very very fun to play a Targaryen yes yes yes it seems like it like I think the actor who plays Aamon Ewan Mitchell he he said in one of the behind the scenes

[01:15:00] that he plays Aamon as a very silent type so that he takes up a lot of room in these scenes without saying much and I'm like oh sir you were doing a great job like all these actors are truly

[01:15:13] amazing at what they do especially Emma Darcy and Olivia Cook are just phenomenal they're really just wonderful actors all right so I'll just go with my first note I loved our last ending scene of Jace and Renea hatching the plan to get more dragon riders

[01:15:35] for the large riderless dragons that they have a drag I think they're a drag I love their relationship you know besides her little kids her and Jace are really her her Jace and Bela are really

[01:15:50] standing alone and she's she's slowly accepting Jace not just as her son in air but also her ally her dragon rider her strategist so I really liked seeing that come to fruition in their

[01:16:08] blossoming adult relationship I really like that's a hard that's a hard evolution to make too with that parent child relationship well I just I'm sure you're navigating that on your end as the mom

[01:16:24] and I'm I just navigated that myself as a daughter you know trying to tell my mom okay I'm 43 shh I mean it never ends I mean my dad is 85 and still like you know we try to help him

[01:16:45] and he's like Wendy put that down that's really happening you're like you sit down before you break a hip I know I know no no it's like one day I said do you think you're stronger than me

[01:17:00] he's like yeah I will prove it either way it's just fun it's adorable so I think that we're constantly navigating that I'm sure my kids would say the same Lainey like yelled at me for a half hour after

[01:17:18] the last podcast I'm it's great that my kids are listening to the podcast now they can yet call me for a half hour and yell at me because they disagree and she called me an Allison apologist

[01:17:30] oh you know what has she listened has she listened to you talk about Cersei because that's yeah I know nothing hi Lainey if you're listening hi Lainey come on the show yeah I think yeah it was great it was a lot of fun when did Cassie and Lainey

[01:17:55] oh oh I don't know if the world's ready for that all right how about other notes I really enjoyed seeing the eerie this week um that was really wonderful and seeing the Erin House um I like seeing these frustrated smart intelligent women

[01:18:18] who just want to be a part of things and they're being shoved to the side and you see that there's this underlying conversation that Lady Erin and Raina Raina Raina thank you uh that Raina

[01:18:33] and Lady Erin were having they're both trying to act like they've got all this power and that they have all this you know wit and cleverness and strength and then really at the end Raina's just

[01:18:46] like I just want to do something you know and and they had this mutual respect for each other in that moment and I think that we see those moments all throughout the season so far with

[01:18:59] Raniara and Allison when they were in the sept um they had that moment where they looked at each other and they're like we have let this get away from us and we're women and we can't we can't pull this

[01:19:10] back we've seen Raina's have to struggle with this throughout the season and it's so interesting that these huge subjects um are being addressed in such beautiful nuanced ways on the show and one of that is the struggle of women trying to have their voice in the room

[01:19:36] to to matter and and to be a part of a solution and not push to the side as an added problem so I'm really really really excited about what I've seen as far as that underlying theme of

[01:19:55] feminism in this show that we knew they were coming out of the gates with anyways from the get go and season one episode one we knew it was going to be a female forward show and they've stuck to that

[01:20:08] largely and I really appreciate that yeah and I love the way it's evolved because it started out with these two little girls who really didn't have any power in the world and now look at them

[01:20:21] I know but you know what at the same time they still don't have any power at the same time but look at the but like they they there are these positions of great power they have nothing yeah

[01:20:37] I'd like to see like the progression of it in the generations where Raina's was a queen who never was and she should have been I mean I think that's like one of the biggest lessons I take

[01:20:50] away from the House of the Dragon is make the most qualified person your leader and and not fall back on biases and Raina's would have made an incredible leader and that could be a great what if

[01:21:00] series is if Raina's had been leader had been the main queen however the realm have looked and so we go from Raina's the queen who never was to Raniera who's fighting for her crown

[01:21:14] right now and to to Baila who is very self-assured and speaking her mind to her grandfather to everyone around her and we sort of see this progression in women who are teaching other

[01:21:29] women to stand up and be in their voice and in their power and in their expertise and of course we're also seeing that the society of Westeros has not changed there's gonna be there's push

[01:21:42] back yeah yeah I think when you look at the Targaryen history and I'm I don't think this is a spoiler because if you watch Game of Thrones you know this um from the show other than Raniera and this

[01:21:58] is if Raniera becomes queen or not but other than Raniera the only other queen I can think of is Cersei yeah and then Sansa became queen of the north but it was just Cersei right yeah I don't think they've ever had a queen other than than that yeah

[01:22:18] not that we've heard anything about I mean I've looked at that family tree and I've looked at those yeah and I don't know it's so frustrating yeah that's all the notes

[01:22:29] I have though what else do you have Wendy? I found it interesting that the the information that the team green released to the small folk was that Aegon slayed Maglis and of course we know that wasn't

[01:22:46] true and I was wondering how Aamon felt about not getting credit for it I don't know well I mean he's a pretty level-headed guy so I think probably okay yeah he's probably

[01:23:01] seeing it as a tactic yeah and I thought it I really thought one funny piece was that when they lock the gates and the they show the scene with the small folk they said something like

[01:23:15] Aamon is the reason do they mean the king like they're also confused which is funny because Veronica confused Aamon and Aegon like six times last episode so I just thought that was kind of funny

[01:23:28] yeah all the names sound the same and everyone is named Aegon everyone is named Aegon they can't keep it straight either well is that a Targaryen what's their name it's Aegon yeah the the

[01:23:40] fact that I could keep the name straight is just a part of my font of useless information like it it behooves me to know other areas in my life I'm like Rhaenys Rhaenyra and Rhaena

[01:23:54] and then poor Aegon the beautiful it just never gets better for him Allison comes to his bedside to see him for a moment and as he's walking as she's walking just out of earshot you can hear

[01:24:08] him say mommy mommy he says mommy and just classic Allison just like not there when her kids need mommy yeah oh he has never been there for that poor kid no no any of them really I think

[01:24:25] she's tried the hard wordest with Haleena who doesn't want to have anything to do with her because I think Haleena consents that her mom didn't want to be a mom yeah she's never been

[01:24:33] there for any of her kids like I think the closest she's been to is for Haleena and Haleena wants almost nothing to do with her I think it's because Haleena as a dragon dreamer can sense that her mom

[01:24:44] never wanted to be a mother yeah really like Haleena yeah yeah we saw a little bit from her but not much in this episode I really hope they do more with her character so interesting I agree

[01:24:59] do you guys think she knew that Aamond did it on purpose because it seemed like he seemed like it yeah because she said was it worth it I think that Haleena knows everything

[01:25:14] do you think there's something going on with Haleena and Aamond I have always thought that and I'm really glad that you said that because I am under the impression that maybe one of her

[01:25:25] kids isn't even Aigond you know what I'm saying yeah same same same yeah I mean just little tiny hints and then I noticed in the introduction with the tapestries that they haven't gone past the rat

[01:25:41] catchers yeah so I didn't know what I expected to see something with Rainey's and the battle that was something I did want to talk about was that intro fully count the fact that it's being

[01:25:57] the story is being woven in blood is so freaking beautiful I just can't I just I sat there the first time I and I was just captivated by it I thought it was fantastic

[01:26:10] but I didn't know that they keep going that they're gonna keep going with the story so now I need to watch it every week right they have they have added things I don't think for

[01:26:21] every episode but most of the episodes but they didn't seem to add anything from this one I think at first I wasn't sure what I thought of it but as as I've watched it more I definitely

[01:26:33] like it better than what they had it was too confusing last season yeah it wasn't good it's just pretty universally yeah but this one I love the map it's wonderful it's beautiful yes I liked it I liked all the little details that we got in this episode

[01:26:55] we saw a lot of like everyday life you know like we saw Cole cleaning his sword and I thought that was really just just a really great attention to detail scene

[01:27:07] and we saw a lot of Harron Hall and everything that's happening there I didn't dig the Damon scenes and I picked an article that we can read later about the Damon scenes because I felt like I needed

[01:27:22] that you need some context yeah that helps yes but I'm just kind of and I think other people I've read in the feedback a little snippets other people feel the same way like it feels

[01:27:35] like it's not part of the episode yeah it feels like I mean I've seen other people make this comment online is that it seems like there's a Dance of the Dragons going on everywhere else and Damon

[01:27:46] is in an A24 horror movie and that's exactly what it feels like it this would have been a good storyline maybe for the first season but it seems out of pace with everything else that's

[01:27:58] happening in the series it throws me quite a bit and it's been going on too long I don't know what they're trying to do with it but it's been going on for like four episodes yeah I agree it's it's

[01:28:10] time for it to stop but I do think that it is gonna stop because I feel that he was snapped out of something at the end of the episode today I could totally be wrong but I really need it to

[01:28:24] be over as well mainly because I don't I don't it's not enriching the story for me so well it just doesn't make sense like you have Damon overseeing these construction crews when his family is being killed like it makes no sense he would not do that normally

[01:28:50] I think it was seeing Lena saying have you checked on our children it's like you know in the 80s when it's like it's 10 p.m. do you know where your children are yeah right yeah like somebody had to

[01:29:04] tell Damon hello you were a single dad you know yes you're a single dad come on now she's died for one of our children can you make sure the others are alive please yeah I think that

[01:29:18] that is snapping him out of it we'll see we'll see you know but he's yeah too good of a character to sit on the sidelines for one more minute yeah I agree yeah I agree all right anybody have any other

[01:29:36] notes I think the only last thing I have is a little bit I guess of a spoiler for next week they had it on on the next coming up I'm excited to meet Vermethor I my toxic trade is thinking I

[01:29:49] could hug Vermethor and he would let me and not put me up in descenders he is well if you bonded with him you could like see never say never that is that would be how I would go listen have you done

[01:30:04] ancestry or me in 23 you'd never know you could have some Targaryen in you next week one lining up yeah I will go to Dragonstone as fast as I can I'll have a dragon I guess I'll just have to

[01:30:20] sail there I mean he just like he was like jamming out to the song Damon sang for him and I don't know he seems adorable although I'm sure he's vicious but I don't know I just see him as a very fun

[01:30:34] older gentleman very cool so I'm excited to see him all right well we can go into our news segment last week we promised that we would do some research about how they make the dragon sounds

[01:30:50] special thanks to Megan Diavoli layman for sending me some links to get me started I definitely went down a serious rabbit hole I found out information about Paula Fairfield she is a Canadian-American sound designer and sound artist and she has done amazing sound creations

[01:31:12] for Game of Thrones rings of power lost and now House of the Dragon so I did pull an interesting article about this this is about Game of Thrones but I just really liked it it's from the website

[01:31:28] Wild Life Acoustics it says what does a dragon sound like and this is talking about the Game of Thrones finale in the Game of Thrones finale Drogon makes a number of sounds including sniff shakes and wimpers that high-pitched whimper was actually sound designer Paula Fairfield's dog

[01:31:48] though her goal is often to combine multiple animal sounds in a way that is indistinguishable to the human ear she wanted this one to be familiar enough that viewers could immediately recognize

[01:32:00] the emotions behind it as for the dragon sniffs and shakes those were recorded with a song meter sm4 that has been residing inside a hibernating bears dad I'd like to have that for your job

[01:32:16] go um go mic up this uh bears dad I'm good that's that's what you're doing it's a job you only do once yeah Paula had placed the sm4 in the den with two orphaned grizzly bear cubs this allowed her

[01:32:32] to closely capture even the slightest noises they made in the den a number of which have been used to craft the dragon sounds on the show oh loved that it's so great also listen to the official

[01:32:46] house of the dragon podcast after you have listened to ours of course and season two episode two the host talk with sound designer Paula Fairfield who creates the dragon's voices using the sounds

[01:32:58] of dolphins bison birds and whales very cool that's great our second article is from time magazine it is entitled unpacking daemon's very weird dream from house of the dragon by megan mcclussie while the rest of team black was reeling from the deaths of reynies and her dragon

[01:33:20] mailies in the fifth episode of house of the dragon season two daemon who was played by the effervescent matt smith was busy starting a diy renovation on heron hall and turning all of the

[01:33:35] river lords against him by once again encouraging violence against women and children but for all of his bluster and talk about deserving to be king it's clear daemon is going through it after chopping off young renera's head during one of his heron hall induced visions in episode four

[01:33:52] sunday's installment saw him fantasizing about sleeping with his or oh mother obviously incest among the targaryens is nothing new in this show but we've never seen them in seen them cross that taboo parent child line before yet that would that is an effecture

[01:34:12] that's too much too much like we're we draw the line odd plus the late reveal of the mysterious blonde woman's identity seen purposefully designed to generate maximum ick fact quote you are always the strong one the finest sordman fearless dragon

[01:34:31] rider and quote he imagines his mom telling him during this twisted encounter quote your brother had great love in his heart but he lacked your constitution the series was unsuited for the crown but you daemon you were made to wear it if only you'd been born first my

[01:34:50] favorite son end quote whether it's due to the curse of heron hall the witchy powers of alice rivers or a combination of both all the important women in daemon's life seem to be taking turns

[01:35:03] popping up to haunt him and and suffice it to say that daemon doesn't seem to be handling these frequent reminders of his greatest transgressions very well thanks to george rr martin's fire and

[01:35:15] blood the song of ice and fire companion novel on which house of the dragon is based we know that daemon's mom was alissa targaryen the sister wife of balan targaryen and a former rider of

[01:35:27] mailies a fact that feels significant given the timing of her appearance in the show when visceris was six and daemon was two alissa gave birth to a third son agon following a long and

[01:35:40] difficult labor however she and the baby both died within the year from complications resulting from the birth balan never remarried after her death but we learn in episode three that he may have gone

[01:35:52] on to father some illegitimate children with the peasants of king's landing uh oh has yes it's clear that daemon has some pretty insignificant mommy issues which seem to only be exasperated by alice taunting him about never knowing alissa this conversation held in heron

[01:36:11] hall's courtyard ties into the episode's insistence on the idea that as time tv critic jude burman put it you wouldn't want to be a woman in westeros that's true daemon maintains that

[01:36:26] renera cannot succeed the people who support her will not be led by her they look to a man for strength however later that night he's awoken by ser ser simon oh played by a man named simon for a

[01:36:39] surprise audience for a surprise audience at the river lords who inform him in no uncertain terms that the barbaric tactics he used to bring house bracken to heal the exact types of things that renera would surely forbid have only served to ensure their houses will never ally with

[01:36:57] him awesome if daemon wants to avoid the fate alice predicted for him from the start you will die in this place it seems he may have some important lessons to learn from the women he has spent

[01:37:09] his life looking down on oh i liked that article that was great that's a great article very good all right well it's time for listener feedback from penny lenox i feel like i can give you my

[01:37:33] feedback before the episode airs i'm devastated rainese was the best character and everyone is rightly torn up by her loss the egg on is a tool beautiful alice beautiful tool alice is wrong

[01:37:50] a man is way too pleased with himself but he makes it look good fair daemon is so self centered it's ridiculous wow spell check cannot handle the target areas no it really can't i have to do a lot of

[01:38:12] maria lawson says watching agon have his injuries tended to was really intense agreed was that not the slowest ambulance ride in the world for him like couldn't they have gotten him back

[01:38:24] just a little faster or maybe not slow walk through the castle jason baila are my favorite power couple and i hope they end up on the throne one day i'm kind of tired of the daemon fever dream stuff

[01:38:36] i feel like way too much time is being devoted to it unless it leads up to some huge payoff later i know these frays aren't walter but i'm but i'm still traumatized from the red wedding so i

[01:38:49] don't trust them at all i think that that's okay that just always feel that way you'll be fine yeah never trust a fray alice's face when she realized she was getting sidelined just like raniera was

[01:39:00] priceless why she thought that they would let her lead when they wouldn't even let have let the king's chosen heir have the throne shows how delusional she is i think she was sitting there

[01:39:12] thinking oh snap we're all fucked now yeah of course yeah but yes good job yes um once she has to reckon with the suspicion that aamond probably had a hand in agon's injuries right my absolute

[01:39:27] out of left field prediction is that she is going to turn on her own kids and support raniera in the end wow wouldn't that be great oh that would be so cool it would be but i don't think

[01:39:38] it's gonna happen but i don't think she's done yeah i don't think she's hung up her crown yeah oh that i mean that would be a cool outcome i i before that that'd be amazing me some

[01:39:49] allicent power even even just hate her a little bit i'm tired of feeling sorry for her yeah i agree yeah i'd like to see what she's got left in her lindsay schlick says least favorite favorite episode of the season i think so tired of the haunted

[01:40:09] daemon storyline matt smith is being wasted this season the dirty mommy dream didn't help me like him more either gross melees head being dragged in was almost too much i was glad the normally bloodthirsty king's landing crown didn't even seem to approve the scene with baila and core

[01:40:33] lease was a standout now that we've lost reynice i'm glad we have another bad bitch in baila around happy the possible dragon seed storyline is finally happening i need more dragons more dragons thank you lindsay more dragons but no more dragon deaths

[01:40:53] from erica and furter holy edipus holy edipus complex batman that scene may be so uncomfortable in the first place but once she revealed she was daemon's mother also i'm loving gail rankins portrayal

[01:41:12] of alice rivers loved her on glow r.i.p yeah gail rankin is doing a wonderful job as alice rivers and she's creepy as fun yes yeah alisha stout hey alisha uh hi wendy sam and christin hey girl

[01:41:31] hey hey girl hey i love alisha sorry to miss you runny yes me too so i felt this episode was a little bit of a slog and almost everyone seems to have big time mother issues nothing new here though

[01:41:45] right crispy critter or christin coal has his head so far up his ass that he could see out the other end how could he possibly think that parading a dragon head r.i.p millays through king's landing is a

[01:42:00] smart thing to do i think we as in the audience were just as horrified watching that as the small folk in king's landing i know i gasped i was not expecting that i mean how horrible

[01:42:13] and terrifying all those people are interest are interested in is surviving and eating and taking care of their family now they have to stress out about a possible retaliation even guayne didn't

[01:42:25] think it was cool crispy was so smug and proud of himself much like a house cat catches prey and brings it home to his owner as a gift that's so true he is such an ass but in a different way

[01:42:41] not a joffery way or a ramsey way in the words of her mining granger what an idiot can we talk about thank you can we talk about the cgi for a minute on that dragon head i thought it was

[01:42:55] pretty good even adding flies to it to show that it was rotting and must have stunk but it's only meat you know and it was steamy too i wish that they didn't show

[01:43:09] millays head in the um in the like in the trailer for the next week yeah because it wasn't because it wasn't shocking for me because i didn't turn it off like i usually do and so when they

[01:43:24] had that in the next week on game of thru or on house the dragon i'm like oh okay well there you go like that should have been saved for a shocking moment yeah i agree yeah totally it would have

[01:43:37] been much more of a powerful hit oh oops sorry there's more and can we please go back to her and i'm so sorry heron hall visiting that's why i started talking heron halls uh visiting

[01:43:50] daemon's weird dreams again i'd like to move on from this can we please speaking of weird dreams when daemon was having that wild sex vision that emma the series's wife or supposed to be a vision

[01:44:03] of himself as a woman or his mother it was his mommy alisha gross it looked like the same actress that played emma and it was a little confusing but either way ill yeah i thought it was emma too

[01:44:17] allison yeah a little part of me kind of feel sorry for her but not i think she's realizing now that she's being cast aside and that things have gotten a bit out of hand now with amand ruling

[01:44:29] it's only gonna get worse when she stands over agon's bed staring at him she seems to be more worried about herself and how she plays a role in all of this she doesn't even touch or really

[01:44:39] acknowledge agon and then walks away mommy oh that was sad so much more to discuss but i know you guys will talk about it all during your coverage so heartbreaking really i know oh good

[01:44:54] point about allison too i know veronica just just sent me a little blurb that her feedback was that she still loves daemon way more than is healthy i get that doesn't matter what he does i'm with

[01:45:10] yeah the only time to my ever sort of really pull back on him is when he's nasty to rinera but even then i'm with you ever ronica we have one call and it's from may almer dune

[01:45:24] hello this is me calling from the north with feedback for house of the dragon episode five i'm going to have to say this was not my favorite episode it was extremely slow and i was so disappointed we had a big event last week that was heartbreaking for everyone

[01:45:41] but it seemed like nobody cared except for corliss who was weeping around um yeah i don't know i think it's going too slow i know we needed a break but i guess more could have happened um it was just

[01:45:58] strange because last season so much happened every episode and we were just jumping around in time and this season we just seemed to be waiting around and the whole daemon storyline is kind

[01:46:10] of annoying um it was interesting to see though how um allicent was just getting screwed over by all the men around her um and i do think that um rinera's character in the book was kind of annoying

[01:46:26] she is definitely a better character i think on the show than she was in the book although i read the books two years i listened to the books two years ago so

[01:46:34] i don't remember all the details i just remember her not being so great um in the books but she does have a lot more support when she's getting pumped up by people except for um the council

[01:46:46] i don't know all their names but now she's sending them away which is kind of smart but at least her son and um her stepdaughter are great and hopefully corliss will come to the rescue

[01:46:57] and she has a great master of whispers i think it's going to be the uh laris versus um sunday i can't remember her name actually um war which is going to be interesting to see as well

[01:47:10] anyway you ladies are doing a fantastic job on this podcast i am really enjoying listening to you and um yeah have a great one everybody oh thank you nice great feedback um i do have

[01:47:25] a thought about um rinnear and the books versus rinnear and the show if i may for just one second it's not a spoiler it's not a spoiler um i thought about this while i was watching on my on my latest

[01:47:41] binge um and i think because history is written by the victors that we are going to have a different book rinneara i think that because she was a woman who dared go for the throne

[01:47:58] the men who wrote the history of the book were not kind to her because the way that they even describe her physically they call her fat and lazy and mean and her skin was gross and stuff like

[01:48:11] that so my guess is and i'd be interested to know if this is a direction that the writers are taking is that rinneara was actually not any of those things and she was written that way

[01:48:25] but we're gonna see a different rinneara as a result oh i love that and they were probably motivated to make sure no women tried to do that again right yeah and so to me i'm wondering if

[01:48:37] we're gonna see a little bit of differences there it would be really exciting to me to do something like that and to break from the book a little bit to do a story like that just to kind

[01:48:52] of emphasize the fact that women in history have been omitted yeah it would just be very cool all right and we also have a call from greg schwam and greg has done pretty similar to what you

[01:49:10] just did christin i know he's binged it okay because he just told me he was caught up and we haven't heard from him this season yes so here you go hello dragoncast this is greg i'm glad to finally be

[01:49:23] caught up and able to leave feedback um i'm sure you guys are gonna cover a ton of stuff about this but something in particular that i wanted to address was when they were uh when christin kohl

[01:49:34] and the uh king's body were being pulled through uh king's landing and they brought melisa's head through and hu looked at the head and you know i understand ill omen and dragons are closer to

[01:49:51] gods than men um and my my question is hu said something he said it's just meat and that made me wonder if he was referring to the fact that a dragon was not in fact a god they weren't invincible

[01:50:09] and it was almost like the the death of a deity or if it was a concept of its meat we could eat the meat uh because we don't have any meat uh they would would really kind of affected me throughout

[01:50:27] this whole thing i think there's some really cool stuff in the big picture but what really kind of affected me was the aspect of the small folk and the impact of the blockade and you know you're

[01:50:38] talking i think they said around a million people a thousand thousand people who live in king's landing so uh it's a lot of people to have to try to eat um and uh you know over a period of time

[01:50:53] and i don't know how long this has been now but uh i imagine food will get more and more scarce uh they've definitely i felt they've done a really good job in showing the uh the scarcity of

[01:51:03] that food and how it's really affecting the many many many many many many many many many people in king's landing anyway look forward to the podcast see you later bye thank you greg interesting

[01:51:16] gosh i hope they didn't eat they didn't eat millies poor dragon he just wouldn't think so it's it has been rotting so i don't think that would be a good idea and i just wanted to say we're not gonna have book talk tonight but archmaster renny and acolyte

[01:51:34] ronnie will be back next week with rima joe to discuss all things book related i'm going to be at the beach for a week so um they're stepping in and i'm really excited oh that's amazing

[01:51:47] i'll be the listener yes i'll be gonna be down by my part speech now we're going to delaware this year very nice very nice mm-hmm all right next week we will be covering season two episode six i can't

[01:52:06] believe we're this far along already of house of the dragon of course the episode remains untightful you can leave feedback at our podcast to the facebook page we post weekly feedback threads or you can leave feedback by email at dragon castica at gmail.com

[01:52:27] you can find dragon cast and a bunch of other great podcast at podcast to come i've been listening to a bunch obviously still playing uh karen penny doing a truly

[01:52:40] wonderful job with that uh the cast of the rings has also done a season two preview i believe season two comes out the end of next month and um those have been the ones that are just off the top of

[01:52:53] my head what about you guys i'm watching the rewatch which is with jason and lucy i mean i'm listening to the rewatch podcast and watching the episodes although i feel like i've seen them so

[01:53:05] many times at this point i don't even have to do that jill and i did a binge i did a binge of the episodes and then we we listened to the feedback episodes and it's been really yeah that was really

[01:53:17] fun nice yeah that's been that's been fun interesting second time around like how different you see things i really liked lori and i liked andrea on the second on this rewatch i really did like those characters you know probably probably because we know you know what we know

[01:53:39] interesting um i have um a podcast that i do um on uh i share it with a podcastica and uh benbeks network but we are finishing up our um ted lasso rewatch and we are about to move into the

[01:53:59] good place so that'll be fun oh very cool and they did a whole last rewatch as well like so yeah every episode oh wow yeah i listened to a bunch of that i was i i swore i was going to keep up with you guys

[01:54:16] for ted lasso and i never did you know we i haven't gotten past the first we stayed on uh schedule which is very unlike us so i think i think quite a few people are like wait a minute you're

[01:54:26] finishing yeah man we actually did it because you it's so enjoyable you know like lost is lost is great but lost is a lot to dig in well so yeah we just actually finished i did an immediate rewatch

[01:54:44] after we finished our last rewatch because i did it with the kids and so i experienced lost for the very first time through my kids eyes and that was so fun that's cool so yeah all right well

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