18: "Smallfolk" (S2E6)

[00:00:00] Hey everybody, I'm Reema. I'm Renny. And I'm Veronica. And this is Dragon Cast, a podcast dedicated to House of the Dragon. This week we're discussing the House of the Dragon Season 2, Episode 6, Smallfolk. This week the brief synopsis of this episode, thanks to IMDB,

[00:00:41] is with few exceptions left, Rennyre embarks on a risky venture while Aamond takes steps to reshape the Green Council. It's a very brief episode for all the things in this episode.

[00:00:57] It was a longer episode this week, which I'm not mad about. I feel like with the shorter season I appreciate some longer episodes and get some of that story in. What are some general thoughts

[00:01:11] about this week's episode? Do we like it or not so much? For me, this is the first episode where I haven't felt like I immediately need to go run and talk to somebody about the episode. For whatever

[00:01:23] reason, it just... I didn't dislike it. There was nothing that really excited me about it. There are a few moments that were exciting, but for the most part it felt like, okay, we're building

[00:01:39] up to something, but I'm ready for the something to happen. I got you there. Renny, what did you think? Well, one of the things that I think is interesting with what they're doing is this very slow pace.

[00:01:56] There is a lot of material in Fire and Blood that they haven't gotten to yet, and this episode was almost entirely off-book. Almost nothing that happened in this episode happened in the book, few things, but they're filling in a lot of the detail, the texture,

[00:02:20] the story that is not presented in the fake history, Fire and Blood, and a lot of what they're doing is character development. I was riveted by Amon in this episode, and by Damon. While I was watching it, I had some doubts, but when it reached the end,

[00:02:55] I ended up loving it. What about you, Reema? I really enjoyed the episode this week. There's been a few prior to this one where I'm just kind of like, okay, I need us to keep moving on, and I think that this episode kind of helped get me

[00:03:13] there to appreciate it a little bit more. I have some few grumblings. I know I've been in our chat and I know I've written in one time before and kind of grumbled about

[00:03:24] a few things here and there, and that hasn't entirely went away. But I did like this episode. I do think there was some really good character development. I think we're really starting to kind of move along a little bit, but I'm still shocked thinking, wow, we're already,

[00:03:38] I should say, on episode six. I have two more episodes in this season, and it feels like there's so much more to go. Two more episodes, I know, and Veronica and I have been

[00:03:47] speculating in book talk about where we think this season might end, and I no longer have any confidence in the prediction that I made because they haven't covered enough ground to get us to where I thought we were going to be. I just today was thinking about that

[00:04:04] prediction, Renny, and thinking, man, I think that we're getting nowhere near that by the end of the season, too. Yeah. Yeah, I feel that. Well, with that being said, we can start

[00:04:19] with our top three to five highlights, and I'll just jump in and just say, hey, for everyone out there, it's good to be back by the way. I'm just guessing for Wendy this week, and it's just absolutely my honor and privilege to be stepping back into the seat

[00:04:35] and getting to chat about one of my favorite shows, and universes, the world of Westeros, and Song of Ice and Fire. So I'm really honored to be here and podcasting with Renny again,

[00:04:48] and with Veronica for the first time. Thank you guys for allowing me to step in and guest. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for being here. It's good to have you with us.

[00:04:57] Yeah. Thank you. Well, like I said, it's an honor and a privilege, and happy to step in for Wendy this week. Well, with that being said, let's go ahead and jump into our top three to five.

[00:05:10] Who wants to kick us off this week? Do you want to start, Veronica? I can. Trying to decide where I want to start. I think I'll start with Allison, and I just said her little web is just dissolving

[00:05:28] like everything is being swept from out from under her feet. And for the most part, I'm happy about that because I have been very frustrated with her. But something that's happened, we've talked about this a lot with Wendy, I have gained a lot of empathy for Allison,

[00:05:45] sort of thinking about that she was a victim in the patriarchal system herself, right? And I think this episode touched on that in the conversation that she had with her brother, which I felt like was a really real moment for Allison where oh, she's someone's sister and

[00:06:04] daughter. And she was stuck into this role that she didn't want to be in as a very young girl, following the direction of her father and being forced to marry Viserys and very quickly bear

[00:06:20] four children right in a row when she was very young. And so I've tried to reflect on that more and realize as frustrated as I am with her because instead of trying to change that for herself or to resist the patriarchy herself, she instead blamed another woman

[00:06:39] and which was really just jealousy that that Raniera didn't get to have the or that Raniera got to have freedoms that Allison didn't wasn't able to find for herself. And I felt like as she was talking with her brother, it was an easy moment for me to

[00:06:55] reflect on that. And it was the first the first time that I really felt from Allison, sort of this realization or ownership of her shortcomings as a mother. And I think I've been very harsh on her about that. And if you really step back and think

[00:07:20] about all those kids are what like a year two years apart from each other. And she was very, very young and being you know that that's what she had to do was bear children for the king.

[00:07:32] She had no choice. She knew none of them were really set to roll. And I think it just made me feel sad for her in that moment. We saw her remorse sitting at the bed of Aegon we saw her

[00:07:49] sort of realizing the monster that Aemond is and kind of realizing that she had a role to play in that. And then you know, even I feel like her one sort of solace this season

[00:08:05] has been her sort of rebellion with Sir Crispy. And as much as again, I want him to meet a terrible, terrible fate. You know, he couldn't even barely meet her eyes. She got

[00:08:19] one quick glance from him before he marches off to war. And is that the last time she will see him? You know, I just felt like I did have some empathy for her this episode and sort of

[00:08:35] seeing things crumble around her. Yeah, very good point. She is stuck in her prison. Yeah. And looks like even the window she built in her prison is closing. Yeah. I love that you brought up that quote, Renny. I didn't have Allison specific to one of my points,

[00:09:03] but I did have her in my notes. And I do see, you know, where Allison could gain some empathy from folks that may be dislike her. I still however refuse. I'm holding steadfast to my

[00:09:21] extreme dislike of Allison. Maybe it's from the book, I don't know. But you know, I read that first and it's hard to remove that. I've really tried hard this season to kind of remove

[00:09:32] the book from the show a little bit and just focus on the show. But that part it's hard to. So seeing her reaction in this episode, you know, the misogynist that she has signed up to work with

[00:09:48] willingly. And now they're not listening to her. I'm just like, well, you made your bed. Yeah, you got to lie in it. And it's like what you said, Renny, the quote from Rainie's

[00:10:01] in that she made to Allison season one, you desire not to be free, but to make a window in your own prison. That's what I thought of as well for this, you know, she, you know,

[00:10:11] she spent her whole life in service to the realm and it's been all for nothing really. She's still a pawn in the games of all of these men. And you know, she's I think finally seeing that

[00:10:25] they don't see her as an equal after everything that she's done. So I can totally see where she she gained some empathy this episode, but not for me. Yeah. Well, I mean, I would even

[00:10:37] again, I would even argue that she hasn't done everything for the realm that it's been selfish to because letting Reneira take the throne, she knew what shits her sons were and that neither

[00:10:50] of them were going to be very good leaders. She knew what she was doing. And I know you can argue that they were afraid of Damon, but Damon would not have been the ruler. It would

[00:11:01] have been Reneira and I just think that show that crosses it for me that you weren't just doing everything for duty, Allison. It was selfishness. You wanted your own children to have that honor.

[00:11:18] So I know I just said I had empathy for her and I do, but I think like I am realistic about her as well. And I feel like Wendy has been really instrumental in me trying to challenge myself

[00:11:30] on Allison because she has almost feel like a mother's heart towards Allison. And I have my friend Kelly too, who's been sort of talking that out with me and just made me have more realization or

[00:11:43] seeing both sides to Allison. Right? Like, yeah, she backs out her friend and has done some terrible stuff. And also she was a victim to this system as well. And both those things can be true, I think.

[00:11:58] Yeah. Oh yeah, I don't disagree with that. And while I agree with you, I don't think everything that Allison has done is truly been in service to the realm. But I think it's what she believes.

[00:12:09] Right. I think she believes that she thinks that everything she's done has been in service to the realm where we can definitely see some of the things that she's done has been out of selfishness

[00:12:22] or for her sons, really. So I agree with that. But yeah, I should probably work on that, but I'm not ready yet. It's also a fictional character and it's totally okay just to hate them. Go for it.

[00:12:38] Exactly. And that's where I'm just like, that's why I'm kind of okay with it because I'm like, if this were real life, real situation, if that was a real person, I have the greatest

[00:12:47] empathy towards real people. But I'm allowed to hate her. I mean, I'm in desperately in love with Damon and if I met him in real life, he's a total shit nasty. I would hate him in real life.

[00:13:03] But in this fantasy realm where he gets to wear this beautiful armor and ride his dragon around and have all that swagger, sure. I love him. We get to love him and defend everything he does.

[00:13:14] Yeah. Absolutely. Totally valid. Totally valid. I love it. That was a really great point, Veronica. Ready? All right. My first point is sometimes you claim the dragon and sometimes the dragon claims you. So we see two attempts at bonding with the dragon this episode, the first one, Sir

[00:13:48] Stefan Darklin trying to bond with C-Smoke. And I think that his attempt fails perhaps not only because he doesn't have sufficient Targaryen ancestry, but because C-Smoke has already made his choice. And we've seen earlier that C-Smoke has sort of been circling around Alan when Alan's

[00:14:11] been out on the beach in a previous episode, maybe because Alan is Lainor's half brother and C-Smoke can recognize something of that kinship. So there's an echo of Lainor in Alan for C-Smoke. And I think that nothing like C-Smoke's pursuit of Alan

[00:14:46] happens in the book. That's definitely a show version, but I like it because it shows the agency that dragons have. Dragons have desires of their own and they're not passive partners in the dragon bond. So although I was very startled with the way that they did that,

[00:15:20] since it's very different than the way that any dragon bonding happens in the book, I came to like it. And I hope I'm out on a beach someday and a dragon comes and chases me down

[00:15:35] and says, I want you. I want you. That'd be the dream. We, I think many of us share that. Yeah. So there's another thing going on here though, which is that Reneira and Jace, when they were talking about the possibility of finding people who had Targaryen ancestry to

[00:15:59] bond with dragons, they're looking at legitimate descendants of noble houses who might have Targaryen ancestry. Well, Adam is a bastard and that opens and not a Targaryen, but he has his Valyrian ancestry. Right? Yep. And it opens the door that Reneira and Jace may not be happy

[00:16:28] about opening, which is that lowborn bastards can bond with dragons. Yeah. That's not where they were looking for their dragon riders. Right? Yeah. So I thought we were going to see, I thought actually that this episode was going to be called the sowing of the seeds,

[00:16:54] the dragon seeds, and that it would focus on getting riders for those remaining dragons. I was very surprised that it didn't really focus on that, but that means that there's still a project afoot to find riders for the remaining riderless dragons. And then of course we have

[00:17:14] that mysterious wild dragon in the veil that Renea discovered the existence of. And you can see the wheels turning around. So I'm sure there's more to come about that. Yeah. Yes, she is. Yes. Hatching a plan. Yeah. So that was,

[00:17:35] that was what I had to say about dragon bonding. I loved that. Me too. I loved the face of like changing from fear to wonder as the dragon is sort of slowing down and it's this moment

[00:17:51] of, you know, I don't know if he had completely relaxed into that. He wasn't about to die, but I think he was like, well, if I'm about to die, this is a pretty fucking cool moment right now.

[00:18:03] Yeah. Because we'll see the dragon right close up. Yeah. And so yeah, I thought that was a, that was my favorite part of the episode was that moment. Yes. Yeah. Almost anything with dragons, you know, there was other other episodes earlier that is hard to take. I

[00:18:25] seen dragons fight. No, thank you. But episodes like this, I just all day, I can take that all day. Sea smoke and that scene was definitely one of my points. I have a couple of my points

[00:18:41] by like favorite scenes. And this was definitely one of them. It was definitely, I think a little nod to like the dragon distribution system is what I'm calling that. Very much like you were saying, Renny, the dragon choosing the rider, which I love. I mean,

[00:19:03] dragons do, I think have agency. They we've seen their personalities. You know, they are to a degree sentient creatures. They're magical creatures. There's so much unknown about dragons and so much we still, still don't know and are still learning. And I hope,

[00:19:19] I hope with the rest of the books that we get more about dragons in the lore and about the, you know, more about dragon bonding because it's definitely this, this episode, I don't want to talk about it too much because I feel like we're going to

[00:19:32] probably talk about it during the book talk. And I don't want to, I don't want to go too far. But, you know, it's questioned some of at least what we do know about the lore.

[00:19:42] There's not much, but what we do know. So I feel like this, this episode is kind of open that door a little bit. But again, for, you know, choosing the rider, you know, I'm really, really here for

[00:19:54] that part of the lore. And, you know, that's the thing is you can't force the bonds, you know, they were trying to kind of put Sir Darkland out there and, you know,

[00:20:03] and you do what you can. I feel like Rennera did a good job like, you could die, you know, like, you got to know going into this. It's not just, you know, oh, the dragon will just

[00:20:13] turn his back and walk away, you know, right? You could die. So you can't force the bond. You can't make it happen. But I really do love that it turned around in this,

[00:20:26] you know, turn of events where sea smoke sought out Adam. And it's interesting. I don't know if, if we will either in future books kind of learn a little bit more about the bond and,

[00:20:39] and how that happens. But, you know, Lenor and Adam share blood. We know Adam is a bastard. So he is from, you know, he has old Valyrian blood. So it makes, it kind of makes

[00:20:53] sense. And it has that kind of connection and why sea smoke might choose him. I really wish, though, we had gotten, you know, Adam mounting sea smoke, you know, kind of carefully approaching him

[00:21:05] and mounting him and getting that first ride. Oh, you know, the excitement, getting to see that would have been really great. So I really wish we would have gotten that one. But yeah, it was,

[00:21:16] it was interesting. But, you know, even knowing what was going to happen with Sir Darklyn and sea smoke, it was kind of interesting because it was kind of like sea smoke was like giving

[00:21:25] him a chance. Yeah. Because he's like, Sure, Betty, come on over and approach me. And, and then that didn't happen. And it was like, did sea smoke just get fed up? Like, Sir Darklyn was like taking

[00:21:38] forever and he was just like, Yeah, I'm out. Yeah, I've done this to me. But, um, no, I was just gonna say, I just love the whole thing. It was just so adorable, you know, sea smoke,

[00:21:48] so persistent, our beautiful smiling gray boy. I just, I love sea smoke, you know, pursuing him and nearly knocking him off, you know, knocking him off his feet. He just reminded me of like a,

[00:21:59] one of those big dogs that just, like they, they're so, just so big and kind of clumsy and knocking people over and you know, things like that. It was just, just adorable. Anyway,

[00:22:13] go ahead, Veronica. I just had one other note from because I also had Dragon Riders as one of my points. And to me, Sir Darklyn's accent and then him going into Hybalerion was

[00:22:26] so funny to me is where I live in the South. I took French in high school and I just remember the real country boys trying to say, you know, my name is in French and they'd be like Jim,

[00:22:38] Michael and instead of Jean-Mapel. And like that moment of Sir Darklyn suddenly trying to speak Hybalerion to sea smoke just like really, it was the same feeling as that. And it was very funny

[00:22:57] to me. And then right after that, them saying do not show fear as he obviously is terrified, even though he's dragged not to. I felt like for a serious scene, I still got some chuckles.

[00:23:10] Yeah. Agreed, agreed. It's like he got a quick tutorial just a few minutes before they went in down to the dragon pit of a couple of Valyrian words, you know, to use. Oh, that was a good one.

[00:23:27] Well, I know that's come back around to me, but sea smoke was one of my points. So let's go ahead. I've said what I needed to about that. So Veronica, back to you.

[00:23:42] I would love to talk a little bit more about Amond and, you know, I had some misconceptions about Amond and I think it had something to do with my own misinterpretations of things in the book. I won't go more into that until book talk.

[00:24:02] But also some of the things we learned about him in the show, how seriously he took a studies, how much he really did seem as a young man to be preparing himself for the possibility that he

[00:24:14] could be in a role of a leadership role and you know, an accomplished fighter. All of that led me to think even though he obviously had somewhat a twisted sense of morals, I felt like he had some level of morals and obviously that was challenged with him burning

[00:24:38] his brother for me. But I think I still had hope that he wasn't just a complete psychopath and this episode made me think that I was completely off base with that and he is very power hungry and willing to stop at nothing to kind of get that power.

[00:25:02] And so I just really underestimated how cold and calculating he was going to be. I think we really got to see that this episode. His sort of cleaning up of the small council,

[00:25:16] his anger at the armies asking, I mean yeah they demanded but what are men against these dragons? Like of course they need you bud. But he was so angered at that and so

[00:25:32] he had just haughty about everything and then my god poor Aegon, the way he went and treated him and Aegon is just terrified of him. Terrified. And so yeah I mean that's the main

[00:25:53] point that I had was just oh like okay Aamond is definitely in the bad bad guy category now. I still love him. I love his character. I love to watch him. I think he is so interesting. I think

[00:26:10] that actor is doing a fantastic job with him and man it must be a fun character to play. Like it has just got to be, he's so interesting. He must be having a blast. Yeah yeah Aamond. And the

[00:26:26] interviews you know he seems to be having a lot of fun with it and to be enjoying it. Yeah I love the line that Aamond says, I am not a dog to be called to heal.

[00:26:38] Yeah. So I made a note of that. Aamond is not a dog to be called to heal. That's how I will think of him from now on. Yeah he really is the monster that Allison says he is. And he's cold

[00:26:55] whereas Damon is hot right? Yes yeah. And that coldness is much more terrifying. Yeah what did you guys think of the moment that Allison you know held his face for a minute and

[00:27:12] tried to I think call to any last remnants of his heart? I was curious what was going through his head in that moment. Was there a part of him that wanted to lean into that because

[00:27:25] here's that mothering that he probably so desperately wanted his whole life and that he wasn't getting or is he so cold at this point that it's not even a temptation? She's just nothing to him

[00:27:37] because he has built his walls so strongly. In my opinion I think for Aamond it's too little too late. I can see where Allison wanted to try to appeal to any you know any warmness or warmth

[00:27:58] that is left in there. But I think it's too little too late I think because I mean we've seen his interactions with the lady of the night that he spends time with and seems to want to

[00:28:12] be nurtured in that way but I think he's kind of moved on thinking he's going to get that from Allison. So I don't think Allison at this point and I think she recognized it that was it

[00:28:23] she's not going to be able to get through to him at all. So in my opinion I think you know he he wasn't like rude to her he was very dismissive because he's like off to the

[00:28:32] kitchens with your mother you know for the domestic pursuits and dismissing her but he wasn't like outwardly rude about it he was just like hey you've served your role the crown thanks you but off with you you're no longer needed. But he's like a terminator

[00:28:51] he's just so robotic no feelings no penetrating at all no getting through to him that's my thought of him. I had also written about that with Allison and I said not now it's too late because I was

[00:29:06] I feel like as well I really also enjoyed his interaction with Laris and it's I felt like one of the first times that we've seen Laris thrown a little off balance

[00:29:19] and so I thought that was a nice moment but I was really surprised that he's calling Otto back. Yeah I'm calling Laris not you you toad. You toad. Might be one of the best things I've seen in a while. I can't stop giggling about that and

[00:29:46] just like Laris's you know expression like oh geez you know I don't know I wasn't quite expecting him to want to call Otto back but I think it's one of the best calls like Eamond is so hotheaded

[00:30:02] I think he thinks he's a lot smarter than what he is. I don't think he knows all he needs to know about war strategy you know he again I think he thinks he knows and maybe he's been off studying

[00:30:17] and like you said Veronica I think that's a pretty good point he even though he was not first in line it feels like he's been prepping to be so he's probably been doing a lot of reading

[00:30:27] and he thinks he knows these things but Allison has a point he's he's youthful and he's reactive but I think that might be one of the smarter calls because Otto is slightly more conservative

[00:30:43] you know than the rest of the council so I do think that that was probably one of the smartest calls he's made since he's been made regent in my opinion yeah but no one can find Otto

[00:30:55] which was interesting yeah I feel like Otto's up to something like what where is he and you know why is he not responded to any Raven so it's just like mmm wherever he is he's scheming you can count on it

[00:31:13] absolutely absolutely yeah all right good point Veronica ready what's your next well it was a good lead in because my next point is strange bedfellows and I have two pairs of strange bedfellows the

[00:31:29] first is larry's and Aegon so when Amond calls Laris a toad then Laris realizes that he needs change allegiances very quickly and so he goes to coach Aegon how to get through his situation

[00:31:53] and he's very well suited to do that because he has spent his life being discriminated against and hated and dismissed because of his disability and so he knows that he can tell Aegon that what

[00:32:13] you know Aegon's newly acquired disability will make people underestimate him it's hard to imagine that anybody could underestimate Aegon because as low as you estimate Aegon is probably below it but with Laris puppeteering him Aegon maybe has a chance and I think with the scene

[00:32:33] where Amond comes to see Aegon and then Laris comes to see Aegon that we see that perhaps Aegon's only hope of staying alive now is Laris and what Laris coaches him to do because his life is radically in danger from Amond at this point I think so

[00:32:58] I think Laris and Aegon are a pair of strange bedfellows but are perhaps each other's only hope to maintain any sort of power at this point so that makes sense the other strange bedfellows are Misaria and Reneira ah yeah whoa that took me so by surprise uh

[00:33:30] and it was amazing and I think the way that uh when Misaria chose to open up and tell her story to Reneira and Reneira just walks over and hugs her you think about Reneira isn't getting many hugs these days she's not getting

[00:33:58] much comfort from anybody even Jace is giving her hard times these days and Bela wasn't in this episode I mean her closest supports recently have been Jace and and Bela and we didn't see Bela

[00:34:13] and Jace as not uh being as kind to her as he once was so she's very isolated she's very physically isolated so that seeking the simple human comfort of embracing somebody uh I think it was a great

[00:34:37] opportunity for her to reclaim that kind of human contact and uh then that hug goes on and then it turns into the kiss and I was um like I said completely taken by surprise

[00:35:01] but at the same time thinking oh of course this this actually it makes sense it actually makes sense and then I was kind of horrified for Reneira when the Kingsguard comes in you know to tell her that

[00:35:16] Seasmoak has been sited with a rider because they break apart and they kind of act like guilty teenagers and here's the queen of the seven kingdoms who because she's a woman and can't get away with

[00:35:33] anything is reduced into this oh I gotta you know pretend like nothing is happening here or else I'm in trouble whereas Aegon we've seen him getting away with anything that he wants um

[00:35:50] and so I thought that contrast was also just again showing us Reneira's predicament as a queen rather than a king she doesn't have that latitude she can't um indulge her desires the way that a king can do

[00:36:13] but she does have that need for contact and comfort and I don't know where they're going with this storyline maybe that'll be it maybe nothing more will happen maybe something will but I really want

[00:36:34] to see what they're doing with it same yeah I think something more is gonna happen maybe something in one of the previews this season just made me think this might happen it wasn't anything like it wasn't them together it it was just a flash of something that

[00:36:54] as the season has progressed has made me wonder if this might happen so I was pleasantly surprised that it that it did um yeah I think I think we'll see more but I don't know we'll get in

[00:37:09] the the news section too because maybe I'm wrong based on some of the articles I've seen yeah I I was also taken by surprise um but it was a good surprise but at the same time it made sense

[00:37:27] you know as you can see that they've gotten closer building the trust between each other um it seemed natural you know and especially like seeing sariah in such a like vulnerable moment they were both kind of I think showing some vulnerability to each other and you know like

[00:37:47] walls kind of came down and so it seemed it seemed very natural so I I liked that moment I don't know if anything will come of it if it doesn't that's okay maybe it was just a moment

[00:37:56] yep yep you know especially because like Reneira does need that support she it feels like just everyone's just coming at her at all angles and like you know she just wants some some support

[00:38:09] and some understanding and I'm sorry is the one giving that to her so I don't know if if it was just a moment or will it grow into something else if it does I'm okay with that too

[00:38:20] I think that's great um but yeah you made a good point Rene it stinks that she has to you know uh kind of hide behind that and that she's not you know given the same liberties as like if

[00:38:33] she were a king and you know a man in that role if if a king's guard had walked into you know a king and uh you know someone that they're with that they're not married to it's

[00:38:44] just they kind of be like oh well you know hey sorry but hey here's the news I've come here to deliver um it wouldn't you know and they and there would be nothing thought of it that's right

[00:38:54] nothing would be said because that's just how it goes so you make a really good point about that I'm glad that you brought that up and you know probably even when she struck uh I forget who she struck

[00:39:06] Lord Bartamas Lord Bartamas yeah if a king got pissed off at one of his advisors and threw a hand back I don't think it would be the gossip of the castle no um but it was for her

[00:39:20] yeah I hadn't even reflected on that it's a really good point can I step back from all the seriousness though and just for one crass moment reflect on Miss Arias live in the dream because she's with

[00:39:33] Damon and Rene I know yeah geez and she's ridden on Damon's dragon so she has she has a thing for Targaryens I guess me too I guess so who complained her I mean that's who I'd be going after yep uh if

[00:39:56] I could um yeah yeah that that scene with Reneira uh wow what a line it is my fault I think that you have forgotten to fear me yes that that's that's been that's been coming that's been a long time

[00:40:13] coming it's unfortunate that he had to be just the one person to take the brunt of that I think that she needed to probably say that to her whole campus yes and her son um yes yeah yeah absolutely

[00:40:26] but I'm you know hey um it's it's spread around the castle now uh everyone knows so now maybe everyone I'm hoping anyway we'll kind of buck up and be like hey show the proper respect to our queen

[00:40:40] I'm hoping that there's at least a good outcome from that very good point okay um so I'll start with uh one of my first ones again I kind of themed these around some

[00:40:57] favorite scenes and I want to talk about uh Damon and Viserys just I was so stunned that uh there's been a few hard times trying to get through um some of the dreaming going on there at

[00:41:19] Heron Hall uh and everything going on with Damon it's been a little rough I I feel like I'm like I think I know where you're going but I need you to get there um how many how many more episodes

[00:41:31] you know is it gonna take to get us there but the good thing about it is we've gotten some really great uh folks from the past coming back you know um and some some of the actors from

[00:41:41] season one that have come back so it's been really great to see uh some of those familiar faces and it was so great to see Viserys back because I think Petty Considine is just absolutely fabulous

[00:41:52] so it was really great to see him so you know seeing Damon in the throne room with Viserys you know if you notice it's like he's not trying to get to the to the throne he's

[00:42:03] trying to get to Viserys I feel like that's such a big point you know some some people will categorize Damon and just think that he's just always one at the throne and I just I

[00:42:12] so strongly disagree with with all of that um and all of this dreaming that's been going on there at Heron Hall he keeps being confronted by us past mistakes and it's because he keeps

[00:42:22] making them he keeps making these same mistakes over and over again so he's being confronted with all of them and poor Simon Strong for taking the brunt of his confusion

[00:42:32] and anger when he comes out of that dream from the throne room I mean he's just always at the wrong place in the wrong time but bless him he he has like the best lines he's like you know

[00:42:43] I'm paraphrasing but like I'm I'm afraid you're you know not sleeping well you know I just it's got I love Simon Strong so much and you know Viserys in life he always you know kept Damon at arm's length and you know because Damon could he could be volatile

[00:43:02] Viserys felt he couldn't trust him and Damon you know always took that as rejection and the same things have happened in this season with Reneira and I feel like that's why we

[00:43:15] he's having to go through what he's going through but that scene I think in the throne room and then the scene with Alice Rivers you know where he actually humbles himself which I was like whoa

[00:43:27] yeah whoa there's something new yeah and does ask for help I think this is what really changes for him because then in the next scene we get Viserys where he's mourning Emma after

[00:43:40] he's lost Emma and Balon and Damon embraces him and tells him that he's sorry and he's like you needed me and I'm here now I'm here now like yes yes Damon gets it yes this is what we've been waiting for

[00:43:57] this this it's taken some time it's been a journey but this was the payoff for you know what what we were going through with Damon at Heron Hall this was the point to get him to evolve

[00:44:11] get his character to grow and I feel like now he can do right by Reneira I feel like this is what he needed to do to get to that place so I've had a few grumblings but it took me a minute to kind

[00:44:25] of understand you know what the point of it was took a couple of episodes of what was going on there at Heron Hall and I'm like okay I get it where we're going with it so that's my opinion I think

[00:44:36] of what what all of this was about and I'm really hoping that moving forward now we're gonna see the story go where I know it needs to go so now I have a more appreciation for everything

[00:44:50] that happened there so all those scenes were really great I really loved his interaction with with Alice Rivers there in front of the Weirwood I'm so great to see you know that in our

[00:45:00] our world again because there's few few left I love seeing Caraxie's waiting for Damon it's when Caraxie starts making noise when Damon is making his way down and he just kept calling out you

[00:45:14] can hear him screeching and making his noises as he's talking to Alice and it's so funny because it's like he's calling to him like let's go bro yeah let's get out of here

[00:45:25] let's go let's get out of here let's go sit something on fire it's like I love Caraxie so so cool but um but that was my opinion anyway of you know what we saw in this episode and in

[00:45:38] previous episodes to get us there at this point yeah I feel like this is the first episode that I was like okay I'm over it because I feel like I've been one of the few holdouts

[00:45:48] that's just like I'm enjoying seeing Damon on screen sort of regardless but I felt like this episode I was just like I just need to be done with this um and so I'm kind of glad but that we

[00:46:00] got to where we are because I think we're almost done the one thing that has bothered me so consistently throughout is his trust of Alice Rivers why she has him in his heart so accusing Simon of poisoning him and not witchy lady

[00:46:21] and then this episode he gets confirmation that she killed Grover right Grover very strongly imply yeah yeah and still he's not like oh that's who's been you know poisoning me this whole time and like certainly I think it has

[00:46:39] probably a combination of the fact that he's in Heron Hall and sleeping in the where we're would bed and everything but like definitely she's doing this and he's now trusting her at the end

[00:46:49] of the episode and asking for her help like I just that's the only thing to me that I'm like what is going on like what am I missing why so yeah I don't know if yeah you guys

[00:47:01] make sense I don't know why um other than just he's really just I don't think in his or has been in his right mind honestly yeah yeah I don't know maybe something just struck a chord with him with

[00:47:18] with Alice Rivers that he felt he could trust her maybe that'll get explained in another episode somewhere I did find it funny that like she throws out this sort of prediction like I thought it was

[00:47:34] going to be like oh she like somehow knows the future then three days the winds are going to change and it turns out like she she was like orchestrating the change it wasn't like something

[00:47:45] that happened outside of her so that didn't make me chuckle a little bit yeah she's like you you can do nothing but in three days time you know the wind will shift it's nothing like predicting

[00:47:58] the future when what you're predicting is something you plan to do yourself yeah yeah yeah I found it I'm curious if y'all have thoughts about like when she called the owl to her she had made a comment

[00:48:13] to Damon in an earlier episode that her being what like a barn owl trapped in like a human body can she warg yeah oh I think she's totally a skin to skin changer yes okay that was my guess as well

[00:48:30] yeah I didn't think of it until uh she had called that owl to her yeah and I was like oh okay that's cool has anybody ever been able to do that with a dragon because man

[00:48:42] nobody knows that would be wild yeah that is that is an open question in the in the lore of how much is the dragon bond like skin changing and can a skin changer

[00:49:00] skin change a dragon or it could brand do it could brand do it yeah unknown as of yet because they didn't go there in the show and the last two books haven't been written yet

[00:49:16] I hope they do that that we know if we ever get the books I hope that they do that in the book because I'll be pretty cool yeah let's fingers crossed you know we'll get a little bit more

[00:49:28] info from the man himself yes oh so he uh Georgia R. Martin did post um last week I think it was on not a blog this long extended thing about dragons and dragon lore and uh it seems like he might have

[00:49:51] been a little bit not pleased with some of the things that they're doing in the show because one of the things that he wrote is dragons are not migratory if they were migratory they'd be

[00:50:03] all over the place yeah I had that in my notes too and I thought this could be random this could be random uh but it could also just be the timing of knowing you know that which we didn't know yet

[00:50:20] we hadn't seen no it hadn't came out before yeah yeah but like hmm is it random or does it pertain to the remaining yeah you know something coming up from from the show so interesting yeah because

[00:50:32] he does say you know like dragons are not nomadic right stay close to home they are like either uh king's landing because they're in the dragon pit um or at uh dragon stone you know they have homes there

[00:50:45] they're not just all over west roast otherwise everybody would have dragons and they'd probably all burn each other up uh you know that would that would be catastrophic if everyone in west

[00:50:56] roast had the dragons and also kind of the big point of like you know when the doom doom of valeria like all the dragons die yes is that a spoiler should I i don't know if that's no that's deep

[00:51:08] deep history that's not a spoiler okay that's from deep history sometimes just like I get word vomit and um just keep keep going but I was like oh that's not a spoiler for anyone

[00:51:19] but you know all the you know dragons dying in valeria that's like all the dragon except for the ones that left when when when they left um you know valeria and took what dragons they had

[00:51:30] with them in the dragon eggs otherwise they all died in valeria because they're prone to like stay in that one place so yeah it's interesting when they in this episode when we talk about sheep

[00:51:41] stealer and he how he's kind of wandering you know away and he's all the way up in the veil I mean and then it feels like they're trying to excuse it a little bit like well he's

[00:51:53] or they're you know the dragon's foraging for food okay but if he cut if he leaves dragon stone maybe maybe he would cross to the mainland right there just across the sea but all the way to them

[00:52:06] fail yeah I'm wondering if he's a little perturbed it yeah because it's like you know you have to kind of follow the logic of the lore that all of this comes from you know there it's it's one thing

[00:52:21] did to make an adaptation and you know make some changes and things but I feel like the fundamental things that are key to the lore you have to kind of be accountable to that and I wonder if that's

[00:52:34] you know why he he made the post that he did I think probably is sorry yeah yeah yeah I think there may be more to say about that in book talk too yeah yeah I'll be quiet because

[00:52:48] I don't again I can I usually just keep going and then catch myself saying things I shouldn't so I'll I'll put a plug in it there uh was that Veronica was that your point or we are we on

[00:53:03] is it Renny's turn I feel like it was one of my points and I piggybacked on Tegers so yeah let's circle back to Renny I'm I feel like I'm almost out of points because a lot of mine are

[00:53:15] overlapping with what you guys have said okay good deal Renny what's your next point so back to Misaria and the title of the episode small folk and I thought Misaria was actually you know championing the small folk but it seems in this episode like she's using them

[00:53:38] um you know there's a big problem in this plan of sending food with Renny's banners on it so that the people in King's Landing will thank Renny for the food but why don't the people in King's Landing have any food because Renny's forces have blockaded the harbor

[00:54:00] so that food can't get in so she wouldn't have to send them secret food ships she could just lift the blockade right so it's it's a rather cynical propaganda move that okay so I'm embargoing

[00:54:20] any food getting into King's Landing but gosh I want the people to see me as benevolent so I'll send them this secret food drop in order to make them think that I love them

[00:54:33] while the Greens don't you know look out for their best interests wow that's um that's a really slimy propaganda move that's a good point a third but yeah slimy yeah yeah yeah I mean I

[00:54:55] are they justifying it with the intention that once she's there she does care about the small folk you know like you know Misseria obviously doesn't want to hurt the small folk but sort of

[00:55:08] like the ends justify the means if we can get Rennyra to be you know sitting the iron throne then I know she's going to actually care about the small folk versus the Greens who seem to not care yeah we saw some interesting

[00:55:30] results of the food coming into King Land King's Landing we saw Hugh the hammer just knock somebody over and steal the what they had to take home to his family um can you imagine punching someone in the face for some care cabbage it's the cabbage everybody

[00:55:52] wants cabbage too yep yeah um but it gave us kind of a I think kind of a different view of him because we've seen him so far as you know caring about his daughter and and his wife and now

[00:56:08] we see him just kind of being a brute so that was interesting and then we see the the riot which we saw in the trailers right it was very interesting the way they

[00:56:26] cut the trailers because there were actually a number of things that were made to look like it was one single riot I think but yeah Helena and um Allison get uh incompetently protected by Aegon's friends who he appointed to the Kingsguard um and poor Helena she constantly gets

[00:56:53] uh has bad experiences with with crowds um yeah um but I think that just that scene just showed us the amount of anger that exists there that's turned towards the greens which may be a growing problem for them yeah agreed yeah and did you notice

[00:57:26] that the person who was spreading the propaganda that um uh Miss Aria had sent Alinda Massey to Kings Landing that the person in the tavern who uh was talking that was Sylvie, Madam Sylvie,

[00:57:48] Amond's yeah uh sex worker friend so she evidently did not appreciate Amond walking out and leaving her with Aegon and his goons uh when that happened in the brothel because she's now spreading

[00:58:08] anti-green sentiments well she also very interesting had that talk with Amond early on about don't forget the small folk when you you know go to these big wars and so um even taking out that scene where he

[00:58:26] strode away from her and left her to Aegon and his friends yeah I felt just the fact that he's carting uh food through the streets for his family and dragons while the small folk are starving um

[00:58:41] I feel like I'd be pretty uh pretty spiteful about that as well if I was her don't they have a back door they can use why in the world do they parade yeah right in the streets or like fly the dragon

[00:58:56] out and go eat outside the city like yeah yeah yeah yeah dragon goes to sheep not sheep goes to dragon right right yeah did you notice was it crickets that Helena had in those little cages and she said

[00:59:13] one stopped singing and I was curious if that's another prophecy of things to come or if it was in reference to that we lost the dragon the week before or yeah I think it'll come into play I don't

[00:59:29] think it has yet but I'm gonna have to be keeping my eyes open for sure um because I feel like almost everything that she has said has been a little bit of a a prophecy in some some form so yeah it'll

[00:59:44] come yeah I like that point because my last point was also sending food to the small folk and you made me think about it a little differently running so I appreciate that because I do think

[00:59:58] it was a brilliant move to you know use this type of propaganda to sway the small folk and and you know you calling it out that the whole cause of it which Aiman says well why are they mad

[01:00:12] at me Renea is the one that's caused the blockade and is preventing the food from coming in um so it yeah you reminded me of that and then you know are they using that moment like it the cause of it

[01:00:26] is Renea but then they backhandedly go in and ship in this food to show you know you know Renea's merciful Renea thinks of the small folk and she's there for them even if she can't

[01:00:39] like be there in King's Landing you know and she cares about them um but regardless of the blockade and how it's come about it was a really good strategy to to go ahead and use that situation

[01:00:52] to to send the food and then you know parading the black banners uh around um to to definitely sway I mean that's what so much of it's about I mean there's so much propaganda in the world

[01:01:04] of Westeros and especially with war it was a good strategy uh for sure uh for for Masariah coming coming up with that um but yeah you made me think about it a little bit differently so I appreciate

[01:01:17] that um but you know she's helping she's certainly serving Renea uh you know and and helping her she she did her a big one this this this round and you know she served the small folk she was hurting the enemy with propaganda she got to kiss Renea she's

[01:01:34] she's doing pretty well first yeah but yeah I appreciate that viewpoint um that was my last point you said a lot of what I wanted to say but you know and said it even better and you made

[01:01:48] me think about it in a different way so thanks thank you for that um how about let's see Veronica you said you were uh almost out of points did you have any other points or are you down to your

[01:01:59] notes I'm just down to notes so if anybody else has a larger point I'm happy to defer I'm also down to notes yep okay you know same for me and in fact we've covered a few of them so let's go ahead

[01:02:13] and jump into our notes Veronica I don't have a ton either um I did notice we got another cameo from our doggo um Hugh bent down to pet him and I also noticed in an episode where we were talking a

[01:02:27] lot about um Targaryen heirs that um they really focused in on Hugh's hair um and so I felt like that was foreshadowing that we might see something more from him I felt like I don't know go back

[01:02:45] and watch some of the scenes and I feel like it's he's it's like an amond moment with like blonde hair sort of like slipping behind him and so I just felt like um they were being intentional

[01:02:56] with those shots and so I just wanted to mention it good point any any other notes that you have um not really I had just a note you know thinking about Alan and Adam and so it's

[01:03:18] Alan it's Adam who mounted sea smoke right and Alan Adam yeah okay and so Alan I thought it was interesting just to see sort of we got more insight into him and and a confirmation of sort of why

[01:03:32] he's being so cold and funny with the whole um quarrely thing and it boils down to that he I think it's a little bit of his own pride and you know probably there would be a lot of

[01:03:46] frustration growing up as a bastard um and and you know he's obviously made a success of himself and I don't think he wants to it to be seen that he's advanced because of nepotism because

[01:04:01] I don't think it's a big seat like I don't think it's a big secret it's pretty obvious that he looks a lot like Corleis and that Corleis is showing him some favoritism and so it was just interesting to

[01:04:13] see his viewpoint sort of spelled out and I'm I'm looking forward to seeing what what else they do with his character in the show um because we're getting a lot more rounding to him he's obviously

[01:04:26] mentioned in the books but I just feel like it's been fun to get to know him and and Adam as well agree great I like both of them so um I noted noted that um the there's a change to the opening

[01:04:46] credit sequence the tapestry now shows two fallen dragons Mellis and Sunfire um I the first time um I watched it uh I wasn't sure that was Sunfire Fire because um it looks pink more than gold but I freeze framed it and yeah that's sure enough Sunfire there

[01:05:10] so they've added um that event yes and it seems like they're they're not adding big events like that immediately after they happen it's like they get added after their propaganda value has been established yeah yeah that's a good point because they they show Little Prince Jaharis

[01:05:38] they show Rex Ress and then the rat catchers yes that that they had hung from yeah the wall there yeah that's a good point um and I wanted to double back to something that was brought up in one of the

[01:05:56] last couple of episodes that I wasn't on about the way that time is told in Westeros they uh there are a number of the hours of the night are named mostly for animals although

[01:06:14] not entirely so this is the this the Westerosi clock um right after sunset it's the hour of the bat then the eel then the hour of ghosts ghosts then the hour of the owl then the hour of the wolf

[01:06:31] which is the darkest part of the night and then the hour of the nightingale so throughout the books there are various references to those hours love that it's really cool

[01:06:44] yeah that's it for my notes love it uh I have a few to add to to y'all's notes um I wanted to just talk about in the beginning with uh is it Jason Lannister uh marching yes one in a positive note

[01:07:11] hey I have no love for the Lannisters uh but they had some of the most beautiful armor yeah makes sense I mean they're obviously one of the richest houses but you know their armor was just

[01:07:22] absolutely beautiful and stunning I couldn't stop staring at it and even the horses in like their is it armor if it's for a horse but yeah it's the armor the horses yeah so that even that was

[01:07:34] beautiful so that was my first observation but then they had lions and I thought that is so over the top and such a Lannister thing to do yeah I loved it absolutely loved it um so I had to call out the

[01:07:50] the lions there in the background um because of course why wouldn't you why wouldn't you um yeah why wouldn't you uh I liked and y'all let me know if you if you felt this too but

[01:08:05] did it seem like Laris was kind of implying that maybe Alice Rivers could have been responsible for this miss that malign spell that led to his clubfoot yes get that vibe yeah yes that

[01:08:19] was interesting same uh the slash that Allison got on her arm when they during the riot before they got into their like little carriage and she had a cut on her arm was the exact same spot where

[01:08:38] she slashed Reneira during season one it's all coming around yeah yep um haven't talked about it but you know I can't not be on a podcast talking about House of the

[01:08:52] Dragon and when we see some dragons talk about the baby dragon was it storm cloud storm cloud yes yes oh my beige flag is thinking that I could actually train a little baby dragon to come

[01:09:05] cuddle with me and and and it just yes bond with that with the dragon that's it was amazing I just kept rewatching that little scene over and over just like you know this little baby dragon playing

[01:09:21] the young princes um you know they're on the floor with their little toy dragons just I'm living for it these kinds of episodes with this kind of dragon action I could live for all day um and

[01:09:34] speaking of dragons uh when Reneira mounted Cyrax and left dragon stone whoa whoa amazing yes um living for that action uh we got another uh Daron mentioned yes so crossing my fingers that we get uh to

[01:09:56] actually meet Daron sometime this season I feel like we keep hearing about him but I really uh really loved the description that Gwain you know was giving to Allison um you know

[01:10:13] hearing how he was you know that he was stalwart he's handsome but most of all he's kind and you know the impact that that made to Allison knowing how Aamond and Aegon turned out you

[01:10:27] know not so great and the comment about you know him being sent away was maybe one of the best things uh you know for him um so I thought that was that was interesting but you know shout out for

[01:10:40] the Daron mention all right and we're back uh with some news about House of the Dragon so let's see what we have today um I'll take the first one this is from unilad.com

[01:10:57] title of the article is House of the Dragon fans thrilled to see the return of character in latest episode so it starts season two is well underway and it's safe to say that it hasn't disappointed so far in true Game of Thrones fashion there's already been controversial nudity

[01:11:13] incestuous sex scenes and of course dragons now there's been the return of a season one character and it's sparked fans of the show to express how much they miss them and that character is

[01:11:24] a Viserys Targaryen portrayed by Patti Constantine um House of the Dragon fans will know that Viserys died a rather slow and painful death at the end of season one after a long battling

[01:11:35] and curable leprosy which eventually ate away at the king's face oops he's remembered as Viserys the peaceful that was an article saying it not me he's remembered as Viserys the peaceful

[01:11:47] a far cry from his tyrant son Aegon the second Targaryen uh played by Tom uh Glyn Carney who's been battling his half sister and uh Viserys firstborn child Rhaenyra Targaryen for the throne

[01:12:00] but Viserys is a white walker so torment has problematic kids but in a vision to his troubled brother Daemon in the wake of Viserys um KMEO people have been quick to take to social media

[01:12:11] to express how much they miss him and Constantine's acting uh on the show a viewer gushed it's so nice to see Patti Constantine as Viserys again a wonderful reminder of what is truly one of the best performances of the entire franchise and makes me want to

[01:12:24] rewatch the early episodes again yes here here you know one thing during that scene I forgot to mention it I just kept expecting us to circle back to his face when he was on the throne and he

[01:12:36] and be the the version of Viserys right before he died where he's missing half his face like I just kept expecting that to happen there and I'm honestly kind of glad we just got fully

[01:12:47] intact I'm glad we got to see yeah yeah the the strong Veral Viserys that that we knew yeah it was it was hard seeing him in such a decline state in season one but yeah I agree okay we have another

[01:13:01] article from us magazine.com um titled Rhaenyra and Misarius house of the dragon episode six kiss was unscripted Senoya Mizuno reveals the latest episode of house of the dragon ended with a surprising moment between Emma Darcy's Rhaenyra Targaryen and Senoya Mizuno's Misaria.

[01:13:21] After Rhaenyra expressed her doubts about being able to secure the Iron Throne, Misaria assured the queen that she had her support by opening up about her tragic past. Rhaenyra comforted Misaria by embracing her for a hug but things took an intimate turn

[01:13:36] when she proceeded to lean in for a kiss. The two continued to lock lips until they were interrupted by news that an unclaimed dragon had found a rider. It wasn't scripted as a as a kiss Mizuno 38 revealed in an interview with The Wrap published on Sunday July 21st

[01:13:53] I think it was scripted as there's just breath between them or something and then whatever happens is interrupted. The moment was one that Mizuno said says she Darcy 32 and showrunner Ryan Condole had many conversations about as they didn't want the kiss to feel queer baby in any sense.

[01:14:12] She explained because we were separate in the room and Misaria has told this story Darcy felt the instinct to hold her to comfort her from that it felt so organic to go into the

[01:14:24] kiss noting that neither character have been hugged like that in a long time if not ever Mizuno told the outlet that it was amazing to see the action evolve into something deeper I think it's very thrilling in the moment for both of them she stated

[01:14:40] yeah I thought it was beautiful and just like they said and I feel like Renny you brought up so so much to just sort of the importance behind that that kiss and that comfort when

[01:14:53] both of them I think really needed it so yeah agreed and the next news story builds on that it's from Paced Magazine House of the Dragons queer twist means so much more than just a kiss

[01:15:09] it's finally official Renera Targaryen Emma Darcy is queer the revelation which came in the final minutes of episode six of House of the Dragons second season is not all that shocking especially for those who read beyond the surface of the relationship between Renera and her childhood

[01:15:27] companion turned mortal enemy Allison Hightower Olivia Cook but the confirmation serves to elevate Renera as a character with the scene itself acting as a pivotal turning point for the rightful air in her season long struggle with autonomy in the wake of daemons Matt Smith's long brewing

[01:15:50] betrayal and the continued questioning from both her her son and her counsel at large Renera spends the majority of episode six attempting to gain more solid footing within her own ranks she attempts to find a dragon rider for her deceased that's deceased in quotation marks husband

[01:16:12] dragon sea smoke only for the potential rider and valiant loyal knight to end up meeting a fiery death she stands by her decision to try and find more riders for the dragons they have available

[01:16:26] but her counsel continues to question her Renera slaps one of her advisors for his brazen disrespect and as the denizens of king's landing grow more and more disillusioned with their new king and their prince consort Renera conspires with Missaria Senoya Mizuno to continue to sow

[01:16:49] resentment sending both well-placed rumors and perfectly timed ships carrying food for the starving trapped citizens at the end of the episode Renera seeks Missaria's counsel sharing her self-deprecating disappointment over her performance so far as queen of dragonstone

[01:17:08] she loathes how little her son trusts her she can't stand that everyone only sees her as an extension of daemon a woman who needs a strong hand to guide her after a surprisingly tender

[01:17:20] moment where Missaria shares how she got that scar the two women share a kiss before they're so rudely interrupted while this development is certainly satisfying for those that have read this character as queer from the beginning Renera stepping outside her marriage and kissing Missaria

[01:17:40] is also paramount in her continued journey toward autonomy and liberation both within her own body and as a ruler she spent a vast majority of her childhood and now married life bending to daemon's will playing this twisted game of cat and mouse where he makes her choose

[01:18:02] or sorry makes her chase and claw for the affection and affirmations she seeks only for him to pull it away just enough to keep her running on his hamster wheel with renera now fully exhausted with her husband's games and accepting of his true nature whether she

[01:18:20] knows his plans or not in this episode she does speculate that daemon may not be raising an army for her in the riverlands she reclaims her desire from the iron grip her husband once held her

[01:18:33] within awesome yeah really really great scene between them yes and just i loved in general i felt like it was a tying a bow on the whole episode of of renera finally sort of you know coming into her own and stepping it up yep

[01:19:00] absolutely yes look forward to seeing more of that i hope in the next few episodes she ended the episode flying off on her dragon so i think we're gonna see at least something

[01:19:12] next episode that is her kicking some butt that'll make me happy all right so moving on then to listener feedback so we did fail to have a post up for facebook comments so apologies

[01:19:33] for that but we'll make sure that one is up for next week and if you have thoughts about this episode and want to include them in you know the post for next week absolutely do that just

[01:19:45] call it out hey here's my thoughts for episode you know six and also for this episode or however you want to do that um you know make sure that they get included so apologies for that

[01:19:55] but uh we did receive some voicemails uh so we'll go ahead and play those for you the first one we have is from our friend steve brown let's see what he has to say hello dragon cast this is steve

[01:20:08] and this is going to be four houses of the dragon season two episode six man we are on episode six small folk i did watch episode five i just didn't be able to send feedback in for it so

[01:20:19] and i hope i get this one in in time because i know it's monday but hey so they're going to look for tigarians that have wait people that have tigering blood but haven't been in the noble line right

[01:20:30] to ride dragons i mean so this small council with allison and now ipad guy that's aamon right is the king prince regent i don't know i don't understand the nobility line here but did he

[01:20:40] just completely ignore allison's comment oh and now a man wants to talk to allison alone see how this goes oh he just removed her from the small council and now we have renara's small

[01:20:51] council with corgis has the hand and she's trying to get this guy to recruit this guy to be a dragon rider who has some sort of targaryen blood from his grandmother's grandmother okay so is daemon

[01:21:01] now having daytime hallucinations okay so i'm trying to understand so daemon thinks he's the king but renara is the queen and renara is trying to get more dragons but daemon has the

[01:21:12] throne i don't get it oh and now that daemon has done meeting with alice we get to see the dragon rider recruit chant okay so this dragon is seasmoke right of course that's just what they called it

[01:21:24] so oh well so much for recruit number one okay so this is miss area right in this in this tavern who's stirring the people up oh that's a great line from renara it is my fault that i think

[01:21:35] you have forgotten to fear me she's gonna take up arms uh and miss area just said small folk that's the title of the episode mic drop uh oh if agon regains consciousness aemon loses his place right

[01:21:48] mm oh it's a baby dragon there with one of these little kids okay so what did rena right rena do jaysa's mom who daemon i don't this whole thing i really your podcast really helps

[01:22:01] me understand mm so what is going on with the missing otto higher tower when the people are not happy with alicent and her troops now this is uh laris right talking to agon is he gonna kill him

[01:22:14] is he gonna let him live in order for him to be scarred but advantaged what why is seasmoke chasing this guy is it because this is cordless his son oh man the serious tragic backstory but

[01:22:26] she's supporting renara oh so seasmoke has a rider and it's probably that kid that kid thank you steve great as always all right we also have a call from samantha see what they have to say hey it's sam two more episodes to go i'm not ready um

[01:23:00] renira's ancestry.com condo with sir darklin so awkward for her to put out there like i felt that awkwardness that actress did a great job i i thought they were phenomenal in conveying how

[01:23:15] awkward this conversation must be of like hey i know only targaryens can fly these gods but guess what we think you can't too also possible death i loved that the dragons could be summoned by playing

[01:23:28] their favorite theme song was that the same song that daemon sang last season to vermouth or or is this like just part of an old valerian playlist that i would like to get a copy of

[01:23:40] i was like oh this is nice i dig it and seasmoke our baby's gotten so big he's such a cutie pie oh my gosh and then when when he was bending the neck to sir stefan darklin i was like no he deserves

[01:23:57] better not this tool and whoops looks like seasmoke agrees i mean what happened there it looked like seasmoke changed his mind i don't know i don't think it was a trap and i don't think dragons pull

[01:24:10] pranks right i mean he even pushed his adorable scaly shoulder onto the cliff edge so it seemed like a done deal like was it darklin's arrogance in this i've done it where he was like actually

[01:24:23] i smell misogyny on you this isn't gonna work because we know i mean lane or was a cool dude who totally believed in equality so that would not add up and speaking of which seasmoke was like you

[01:24:35] know what i'm gonna do it myself i already saw someone i'm interested in smells like lane or i'm off and oh no does this mean that like lane or is officially dead it's got it right because the

[01:24:47] dragons won't take more than one rider i hope lane or died peacefully and with his husband and seasmoke chasing after adam reminded me of those giant dogs who don't realize that they're not

[01:25:00] lap dogs and just are not aware of their size it's like oh seasmoke too rough too scary be less intense when you flirt with your potential rider although like i think we kind of got it at the

[01:25:14] end even adam would he was like thrust against the wall somehow not wetting his pants he was like oh you're like dragon grinning at me and looking at me sweetly oh and i'm not on fire oh

[01:25:26] you want me to ride you which also corny ending on this episode like i mean we can kind of tell that that's a dragon like what and of course he's gonna side with rinneara what is happening

[01:25:36] that's a stupid cliffhanger and okay i'm getting really sick of daemon's vanilla sky donnie darko side quest it's gone for like five episodes and i'm officially over it this is so boring

[01:25:47] i almost fast forward through it now the only interesting thing is it kind of confirms what we already suspected or like at least landed for me is that daemon really didn't want the crown

[01:25:57] he wanted the option of it but it was always more about his love for his brother and that the crown kind of stood for that of like you pick me over your daughter which weird daemon

[01:26:07] and for people asking for people have a hard time asking for help just say you're seeking counsel like daemon said to alice jesus christ daemon grow up and speaking of moments that

[01:26:20] made me laugh i cackled when rinnear smacked that dude i was like that's what i think most of us want to do when guys may unsplain to us uh really wish they'd stop making me feel bad for agon

[01:26:32] it's really uncomfortable for me at this point jason lannister is bold telling aemon to escort him with haste sir your little caged lion is not going to save you from veghar and then aemon

[01:26:46] being the bitchiest leader that westeros has had in a while he ends up beating up like then we're all agreed huh and last thing i'm so sorry this is going long

[01:26:55] who is rinne is rina getting a dragon in the veil have we seen it before is it vermithor is he gonna give her a second chance she definitely needs company because she keeps telling her

[01:27:05] worries to poor little joffrey who is like i want my mom you suck at this can't wait to listen to the podcast that was great thanks sam all right and we have one final voice message and that is from

[01:27:28] our good friend good friend anwin hello team black i mean the house of the dragon cast it's anwin here what a great episode absolutely loved it i thought it was really really cool and i tell you

[01:27:43] what we might have had some sympathy for the greens before but no way we are swinging all the way back to the blacks and i know there's some allicent apologists out there and there

[01:27:54] have been moments where i felt sorry for her but right now i'm just like you made your bed girl now you have to lie in it look at your terrible terrible sons and now she's asking about darin

[01:28:04] whatever his name is hoping that at least one of her sons didn't turn out to be an absolute waste of time although poor crispy a gone lying there in the bed still half of his beautiful

[01:28:16] face showing oh my god i really liked aamond for a while there when he was silent and mysterious but now that he's just ordering this slaughter of hundreds of people and firing his mum from

[01:28:29] the small council i'm not such a big fan and as you know i was not a very big fan of daemon's woo woo spooky dreams but if they give us a series back for a few minutes bloody awesome

[01:28:43] loved it loved it loved it seeing him on screen again but of course the best moment of all was sea smoke flying around just looking for a random Targaryen and there he is the boy who

[01:28:57] whose brother had just told him to stop dreaming of greatness because our dad's never ever going to acknowledge us oh look here comes a dragon and he chose him how amazing can't wait to see what

[01:29:09] happens next thanks once again for your awesomeness bye bye likewise thanks anwin all right that was so great thank you all so much for leaving those voice messages always encourage everyone to

[01:29:27] you know write in email leave a comment on the facebook page or send in those great voice messages we love to hear everyone's lovely voices all right so that is going to take us into

[01:29:45] book talk so all the warnings you know to to everyone out there if you know we're gonna talk about differences on the book in this episode we'll venture into further book spoilers

[01:30:02] potentially as well so if you don't want to hear any of that please skip ahead but consider yourself warned as we venture into book talk so without further ado archmaster reny how would you like

[01:30:18] to start this week um well i actually want to back up um again to something that was mentioned on one of the episodes that i wasn't on about um lord commanders of the kingsguard who also served his

[01:30:31] hand yeah uh there there is precedent for christin coal doing this um they have not been many but um ryan red wine uh was uh named hand in 99 ac ac is after conquest by king jaharies and he was lord

[01:30:55] commander of the kingsguard in hand of the king and he was so terrible at it that he served less than a year but then oddly enough in 103 ac after jaharies had died and visceris had become king

[01:31:09] he was named hand by visceris again and served for another two years and then he died so that was you know within visceris's reign that that happened so it's not that far in the past

[01:31:23] that there was a lord commander of the kingsguard who was also handed the king um and when he died his place on the kingsguard is the one that was taken by christin coal he was appointed to

[01:31:35] that vacancy right um and then um there's also another um case uh marston waters who served very briefly in that capacity so um there have not been many but it's not unheard of okay yeah um i also wanted to go back to

[01:32:08] carting malice's head through king's landing um in the book the same thing happens and uh the book says that malice's head awed the crowds of small folk into silence and that thousands left kings landing afterwards and that's why allicent orders the city gates closed because people are

[01:32:34] leaving because of having seen the dragon it doesn't say in the book whose idea was to do the head no it does it does not neither of us were on the pod last week ever i heard or last week and i heard

[01:32:49] them discussing it sort of attributed to christin coal but in my head it just felt very much like an aim and to move and so i was curious who if you thought one of them was more behind that idea

[01:33:05] i don't know i thought yeah i can't remember why but i i remember thinking the episode was indicating that it was christin coals idea i mean christin was writing with it right or closer to

[01:33:18] it so yeah it felt like they were implying it wasn't like called out specifically but it felt like they were implying that it was christin coals idea to like were winning you know as

[01:33:33] he was stating in the end the episode you know as their reaction was very different than yeah he was expecting them um so yeah just another reason for me to when all the bad things to

[01:33:46] happen to him that was such a terrible moment to have to watch um then in this episode aamond he wants to uh ally with the triarchy in order to break the blockade this is something that

[01:34:03] also happens in the book but this is something out of order um because in the book auto had sent letters to the triarchy some time ago before he was removed as hand

[01:34:18] i think he did so it's interesting show too but they just didn't get a response or something because then this week it felt like it was like yeah a new exactly um and so that's why it's odd when

[01:34:31] allison says that the triarchy aren't to be trusted and that auto knew that i feel like they're trying to make in the show yeah aamond more of a war strategist than what he is yeah

[01:34:48] yeah and that's why they're they're giving it to him uh in the show i thought that um and it's been several weeks since my last reread of this section uh but wasn't it around the time either at or just

[01:35:03] before the time daemon got to heron hall in the book that auto yes reached out to the triarchy and it no yeah you're right it's a little odd in timing yeah it takes the triarchy a really

[01:35:14] long time to make up their mind whether they're going to respond because they everything takes them a long time so they have to debate everything a lot so the slowdown isn't on the green council's side

[01:35:30] it's on the triarchy's side yeah um they also mentioned in the green council they mentioned dalton grayjoy the red kraken oh yeah and they talk about him similarly to how he's talked about in the

[01:35:45] book although there is no suggestion in the book that he should marry allison right i felt like that was a very very bold a nice uh yeah addition to the show just to again underline the place of women

[01:36:03] um in this world that it could so flippantly be thrown out that that she could be used as a bargaining piece well and she's not just anybody i mean look i no love for allison or anything but

[01:36:17] she is the queen dowager and a high tower which is a pretty powerful family too right yes yeah um so rima you mentioned storm cloud agon the younger's baby dragon uh looking just as cute as a

[01:36:34] baby monster can look um one of the big differences showed a book is the ages of agon the younger and visceres um they're nine and seven in the book and they i don't know they look like they're

[01:36:51] three or four yeah in in the show yeah like toddlers yeah and uh storm cloud is close to large enough to being rideable yeah in the book but clearly he's a he's a shoulder pet you know the size he is in

[01:37:09] the show um in the veil uh there lady jane mentions the the name of the ship that is going to come to take agon and visceres to pentose the gay abandon same ship name as in the book

[01:37:27] but in the book the ship picks them up on dragon stone not in the veil um okay the big big difference is the way the sewing of the seeds goes down very different thank you yes in the book yeah

[01:37:47] um so ranira is much less in charge at this point in the book she's mostly off stage grieving and jace takes over the book says jace came to the fore and uh it's i think it's important to

[01:38:04] remember the way the book is constructed it's an account uh by the maesters who are firmly on the side of patriarchy and who are doubtless gleeful to paint a picture of a man even a boy

[01:38:19] since jace is only 15 in the book um taking all the actions rather than a queen taking actions so they really go after her appearance too oh yeah yeah they say that she's fat from having a

[01:38:33] bunch of children and her skin is in bad shape and she's you know she's not charming anymore like she was when she was young so uh i think all of that can be taken with yeah i think that can all

[01:38:48] be taken with all the grains of salt um so it's jace who appoints core lease as hand of the queen and it's jace who wants to look for riders for other dragons um

[01:39:04] um first jace wants to invade king's landing and he thinks that his dragon vermax plus raneira syrex plus daemon's caraxies the three of them together could defeat vagar but it's mushroom who convinces

[01:39:24] him that they need more dragons mushroom says three is more than one but four is more than three and six is more than four even a fool knows that so jace asks him where to find more riders

[01:39:39] and mushroom says under the sheets and in the wood piles wherever you targaryens spilled your silver seed um so from the beginning in the book the idea is to go looking for bastards not for

[01:39:54] high-born people and the book tells us that the rite of first night was practiced on dragonstone and actually welcomed by the false small folk that's where the lord gets to have sex with

[01:40:10] a woman when she gets married on on her wedding night something that was um it was hated in other parts of the country and was uh outlawed by good queen alicine uh but on dragonstone

[01:40:26] we hear that the practice was actually welcomed by the small folk because when someone had a silver-haired bastard baby uh the targaryen involved uh usually gave them rich gifts since targaryens were closer to gods than men it was considered an honor such bastards were

[01:40:46] said to be born of dragon seed and known simply as seeds so this is a widely known idea the idea that dragonstone is crawling with descendants of targaryens is just uh you know a norm of that

[01:41:01] society so what jace does is put out a call to any dragon seed who can master a dragon promising that they would be granted lands and knighthoods so it's just it's like a

[01:41:14] an audition right it's an open call for people to come and try it out so many come forward to answer the call not all of them are dragon seeds including a dozen of renea's household knights

[01:41:30] and the lord commander of the king's guard sir stefan darklin so he volunteers in in the book there's no implication in the book that he might have targaryen blood um mushroom calls the process the sowing of the seeds and there's a lot more to it that we'll

[01:41:49] probably see in the next episode um so uh the rest any further discussion moves us into the spoiler section anything else the two of you want to talk about before we move into all spoiler territory i don't think so i mean we know that sea smoke didn't chase

[01:42:17] adam dan no but i feel like anything else will go into spoilers and we've talked about parentage speculation of alan and adam before in the book yeah so i don't think we need to do

[01:42:29] that again yeah yeah it's it's very clear in the show that they are choralysis sons that they can't possibly be lanor sons because they're about the same age as lanor so yeah i i feel like this episode

[01:42:43] kind of cemented like if you're speculating in in last week's episode this week's episode kind of cemented okay yep you know uh it's it's just a fact and felt like it was being acknowledged so

[01:42:58] um so i agree uh yeah as far as like uh comparisons to just what happened in this episode um and in the book now i feel like everything else i have is definitely spoiler territory all right so fair

[01:43:12] warning warning and you want to still with us if uh if you don't want to know anything beyond uh this episode so there's your warning yeah and if you need to yeah dragon here's your spoiler

[01:43:23] here's your spoiler your your your spoiler roar all right love it don't end up like serdar glenn yeah everything everything is fair game at this point so spoiler territory so the sowing of the seeds is also known as the red sowing because 16 men died and almost 50 more

[01:43:55] were burned or maimed in the trying um i don't know how much of any of this we were likely to see um yes yeah yeah because it was like almost like a felt like a hundred people or something

[01:44:10] was coming out yeah of the woodwork to try yeah their their luck if you will if you want to call it luck um you know to to do that and then in this episode we only had sort sort of dark

[01:44:21] line in it yeah was that it was that enough for like oh we're done we're done here so and it's also it's unclear whether the cannibal one of the wild dragons exists in the show we have never

[01:44:34] heard anything of him um and there's an incident where there's someone who claims to be a dragon seed named silver denis um who is supposedly the son of mego or the cruel has his arm torn

[01:44:49] off by sheep's sheepstealer when he's trying to bond with him and when sorry um so when silver denis's sons try to rescue him the cannibal comes down drives sheep's dealer off and eats the father and the

[01:45:12] sons so i think that's probably something we're not gonna see yeah probably not so the wild dragon in the veil has got to be sheep's dealer yeah and who's in the veil rather than dragon spraina is gonna

[01:45:26] take nettles place and reina is going to take nettles this place you know there's been a lot of speculation that the character nettles would not exist in the show and now it's pretty clear

[01:45:39] i'm very bummed um it messes up some downstream stuff it does in game of thrones because so you know there is a connection to the veil in that nettles takes off with sheep's dealer

[01:45:58] at the end of the war and is never heard from again but there's a legend of a woods witch who has a dragon in the mountains of the moon outside the veil and that's where the burned men

[01:46:13] uh developed the tradition of you know burning off some body part in order to prove their metal because that originated because they would go face the dragon and that's nettles

[01:46:30] and sheep's dealer so um i don't think that's what reina is going to be doing after the war so that you know circumvents that whole thing well in the nettles daemon relationship as well so you know like that's but that wasn't i mean less romantic in the

[01:46:50] book right it was speculating no some people think that nettles was daemon's bastard daughter and some think that they were lovers renair comes to believe that they were lovers and gets pissed off so that obviously has to be different but reina actually is daemon's daughter and so

[01:47:11] nettles was possibly his bastard daughter so i don't see that as that much of a departure i kind of hope we maybe see you know i feel like she always felt so passed over by daemon

[01:47:23] because she and she wondered if it was because she wasn't a dragon rider and i kind of hope we see some reconciliation there for her um it's my god dad i got a dragon dad it makes me angry that it took

[01:47:39] might take her getting a dragon for him to show her some respect and love and attention but i don't know i hope we get that before we lose well the interesting thing is that in a way

[01:47:51] she'll surpass beila because moon dancer is a young small dragon sheep stealer is old and large so she's got the more formidable dragon if she gets sheep stealer yeah yeah i'm pretty pretty excited excited for reina yeah now here's the other thing i cannot figure out

[01:48:14] how on earth are they gonna get hue hammer and allth white over to dragonstone to claim vermouth or in silver you know i think they're gonna do like you said the big call

[01:48:24] and everyone in king's landing is ready to get out of king's landing you know like they're ready to leave yeah and so i think there will be people somehow an exodus from king's landing

[01:48:39] to go to this call because we already know miss area miss aria has an information network where she can spread that news it doesn't have to be yeah and then she's got to be able to spread

[01:48:53] that news without the greens knowing about it right because so much of this took place on dragonstone right like right you know so having having olf and hue in king's landing makes a bit of a difference there with the geography so it'll be interesting and yeah maybe

[01:49:13] they'll use that network yeah you know that she has access to who knows i felt like i had to comment on on hues hair because they zoomed in on it and i was like i think i would clock this whether i knew

[01:49:25] it or not and i felt like it was almost weird if we don't mention it but i'm always struggling with books you know did i really notice it because of this knowledge i don't know yeah um so uh

[01:49:47] adam claims sea smoke and we don't know how it happens it just says adam claims sea smoke and um allen tries to claim sheepstealer but he gets burned but he survives uh but that that's not going to happen because sheepstealer seems to be in the in the veil

[01:50:10] um i would assume do you think they'll still have him claim another dragon or do you think he's just i don't on a ship with corleys yeah yeah um so raneer has flown out to meet adam and

[01:50:31] um sea smoke and i i expect that he's going to demand that he and allen be legitimized as valerians as his price for fighting for her with sea smoke um in the book it's corleys who makes that request and um at that point adam becomes corleys's heir because

[01:51:01] in the book adam is the older of the two boys but in the show allen is the older of the two boys yeah they kind of flipped him there yeah yeah yeah it's interesting yeah well and and just

[01:51:17] and i didn't want to talk about it too much when we were um talking about just the show but you know we were kind of talking about the dragon lore and our martin's blog post yeah i

[01:51:33] i wish i because i feel like they're indicating and not saying it and if they are saying it or or trying to imply it i don't think they're doing a very good job of you know

[01:51:45] what about lanor because i feel like you can't and maybe it's me this is probably a me problem but it feels like a big part of of the dragon lore that is known is that draggers can't dragons can't

[01:51:59] have more than one writer right until you know one of them has to go first right um so were they trying to when when raneer made the comment about sea smoke oh well he's just kind of restless

[01:52:11] did did did she somehow behind the scenes and something we didn't get to see some sort of notification that lanor offscreen has passed somewhere um and and that has left sea smoke you know uh morning he's bored and he's left writerless and and you know because i

[01:52:32] i feel like i cannot get past that i'm struggling you know and let and i wish that they would just somehow make some kind of acknowledgement that you know some sort of word was sent

[01:52:43] that this happened offscreen therefore leaving sea smoke open to be um you know claimed or or maybe in this case sea smoke claiming a writer as it happened that way so i i don't know what

[01:52:55] do you think about that right i'm interested to hear what you know about it so i think that us book readers simply have to assume that lanor died uh for our own peace of mind

[01:53:06] because i think that the showrunners are making this show for the millions of tv viewers not for the hundreds of thousands of book readers and they just don't care um it's just not important

[01:53:23] um and i guess the non-book readers don't care that's right or you would even know maybe about the particular lore so that's right that's a good point i like i said it's a me problem

[01:53:33] well we're we as as book readers are trying to comb everything the show and everything for all the information that we can get about how the dragon bond works but i don't think we can look to the show

[01:53:46] for any development on on that idea because i think that they're just doing a show only version where it's just not a thing so so i think we just have to

[01:54:02] believe that lanor died i would ask you guys this one thing though is there any precedent for a dragon rider abandoning the dragon and and traveling far away and so maybe it's possible that this rule

[01:54:16] still somewhat exists but maybe there's you know an abandonment and the fact that this is lanors half brother like maybe that's the workaround but i think there's enough leeway in that because you

[01:54:34] haven't because that hasn't happened that there's no way that that could be you know so actually the familial bond that's a kind of a show only thing too because um for example malice was daemon in visaries is a mother's dragon and

[01:55:06] after after you know well well daemon grew up he tried to claim malice and malice rejected him yeah and chose maily's rider died like maybe this is something different because maybe seasmoke is more tortured and lonely because that bond didn't break the way it's supposed to i don't

[01:55:28] know i'm like wildly going off the rails and trying to explain it it's a great attempt to make it make sense but i just don't think i don't i don't think the show is just gonna deal with it

[01:55:40] at all i don't think it's gonna give us anything and that's you know that's fine like i said i've been trying really hard to make that separation i've done a little bit of a better job just try to

[01:55:51] accept the show for how it is and try not to lean too much on what yeah what we know from from the books but it's still to a point very frustrating um you know because like i said i feel

[01:56:01] like you have to anchor some of this adaptation into the lore yeah um and you know like it is an adaptation you can take some liberties you can make some changes and they have but i'm like

[01:56:14] ugh this just feels like something that they shouldn't be able to like just brush over whatever but that's my opinion and that's okay so i'll let that go but i wanted to just you know talk to

[01:56:25] fellow book readers yeah that knowledge um you know to see get your thoughts so that's that's good thank you runny yeah for helping helping me talk through i helped at all but i can give

[01:56:36] you some wild theories your counsel is greatly appreciated um on uh the episode before last um you uh you were talking i think Veronica you and when you were talking about Sunfire and Sunfire is not dead right uh Sunfire is a very important dragon Sunfire is the dragon

[01:57:08] that kills Rhaenyra yeah yeah yeah yeah so but i can't say that in the main part of the show no no

[01:57:16] no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

[01:57:20] they didn't know yet if if the dragon was dead or not so i wasn't going to say no well we still don't know after this episode they really haven't addressed it still yeah they've kind of left it

[01:57:29] kind of ambiguous like oh my gosh did Sunfire perish yeah didn't Kristen say i thought Kristen said that he had left Sunfire there yeah he said something very weird he said he'd left Sunfire

[01:57:44] there to guard the castle which i don't think so because Sunfire is completely disabled at this point yeah doing much for guarding yeah what he what he did was he left guards to guard the castle

[01:57:56] and to guard Sunfire yeah it's actually pretty gross um right after the battle Sunfire eats the carcasses of the dead on the field uh and then when he runs out of those the guards start bringing

[01:58:11] him sheep and calves heartbreaking heartbreaking Sunfire yeah um that's all i have about the the sowing of the seeds and and the dragons um and i made then i made a list of things that have not happened yet in the show that have happened in the book

[01:58:41] okay so one is that after Luke's death um Aemon becomes known as Aemon the kill the kin slayer but we haven't heard anybody call him that and now he's a double kin slayer because

[01:58:59] Rainie was his cousin so um i think it's interesting that they have been calling him kin slayer i thought they somebody said something about it well i'm so curious like it's it's it's like

[01:59:15] you know it's kind of just everything goes in westeros but when you're a kin slayer that is like one of the lowest of the lows right you know even if you're royalty like whoa that's that's a line you don't cross and it's still very despicable whether you're

[01:59:36] royal or not to be a kin slayer and he's done it like you said twice yeah i'm just like hello yeah no one is talking about it or mentioning it it's yeah crazy um in the in the show Melor Helena and Aegon's younger son doesn't exist

[01:59:57] um and i think that they did that in order to make Aemon the heir yeah because in the book Melor is the heir and we're Aegon to die then Aemon would be regent for Melor but

[02:00:17] with um no Melor Aemon is is the the heir so i agree yeah um Black Alley Blackwood was left out of the battle of the burning mill and i i don't know if she will you know come in now at some point

[02:00:36] now that we're hearing more and more about the Black Woods um or come in in a future season when Kreegan Stark shows up or not come in at all um there was a battle in the riverlands that has

[02:00:52] not happened where Daemon and Caraxes take Stonehenge the Bracken castle and it seems like they bypassed that because Daemon's having the Black Woods do all his dirty work for him with the Brackens but that is that is a land battle that could conceivably still take place because

[02:01:16] Ryan Condall promised there'd be one more big battle before the end of the season and now i'm just really wondering what it's going to be oh gosh i bet it will be that because that'll

[02:01:25] be the full closure of Daemon falling back fully in line and supporting Renea i think that would very well be yeah and they're definitely known for moving things events in the timeline a little

[02:01:38] so a lot yeah yeah and then the other thing that we hear about in the book at this point is that Lord Ormond Hightower is marching towards King's Landing from Old Town and he's being harassed

[02:01:51] along the way by Renea's supporters and so that is probably where Otto is he might be on that march with them i don't know so i'm really really wondering now where they're going in the last two

[02:02:08] episodes um they have to finish the sewing because they have to get Ulfin Hugh on Silverwing and Vermithor and Renea evidently has to claim Sheepstealer um and will we get cannibal

[02:02:28] you know if he even exists in the show yeah who knows oh i hope so i love cannibal um so you know i think there's three possibilities for what that battle could be there could be a land battle involving all those Lannister troops we saw i mean

[02:02:49] why show us all those troops if you're not going to do anything with them right agree i bet we um do you think Daren do you think we'll get Daren or it could be Daron the Daring

[02:02:59] rescuing the Hightower armies with Tissarion yeah since Aemon is being so salty about whether or not he's gonna come help yeah i am not a dog to be summoned yes with us

[02:03:12] but i don't bother him if his brother gets some glory yeah well that's or it could be the battle of the gullet um but it seems like you'd have to have a lot of things happen before we can get there

[02:03:31] or it could be that i originally thought that the taking of king's landing would be the end of the season but again you got to do a lot of things in order to get there

[02:03:42] so i i don't know they're gonna have to switch the order of of events to some extent and i'm way less able to predict what they're going to do with the way that they've stretched out the timeline so i stink at predictions so i'm definitely not going there

[02:04:02] i can't even begin to guess you know what they're what they're going to do yeah um with the two episodes that we have left i know they're gonna be a little extended like this week's was a little longer i

[02:04:12] think the next two are a little longer as well probably to help try to make up for the shortage in the number of episodes for the season um i have no idea where they're gonna go it's kind

[02:04:24] of hard to tell when they show the trailers i feel like trailers can be so misleading like you feel like you're getting something but then it turns out to be something completely different

[02:04:32] the way that they mix them and cut them so i don't have any clues to what you know is coming up next because they they have changed things so much you know that we didn't get in the books that

[02:04:46] i have no idea how they're gonna you know try to move things around or fill in certain information that that we didn't get so um i i have a few foreshadowing moments did you have some foreshadowing moments okay and again this is definitely heavy heavy spoiler stuff

[02:05:05] but since we're we're there uh just the mention of the triarchy and the gullet and the gay abandoned just i think oh yeah just yeah no that could happen from reading the book at the end of the season

[02:05:20] but maybe beginning i don't even understand beginning of next season and is it going to be rena protect protecting them on her dragon i don't even understand how it's gonna happen because

[02:05:31] agon the younger can't fly away on storm cloud so yeah i yeah i don't know what they're gonna do there so much yeah so much younger so much younger and the the dragon's so much smaller

[02:05:43] so i i don't know how or what that's all going to play out but i know that i was freaked out from hearing it i was like okay they're they're starting to kind of plant yeah plant some things there

[02:05:56] and then the scene with alicent and helena uh after they had left the sept with the spikes the spikes yes i did see that yes the spikes oh oh oh yeah i know i'm like oh and you know i i poo poo on the

[02:06:15] greens all day long uh but helena i i know i say protect it yeah she does like count as a green she's innocent i don't count her as a as a green yeah 100 so i saw that and i was just like

[02:06:29] they've had they're so good you know i i definitely have a fault with some things here in there in the show but they're they're pretty good at planting those little foreshadowing moments

[02:06:40] you know they had uh several was it the first or second episode i cannot remember but when uh bayla was shooting the bow and arrow and like jace was right there by the target um yeah i was just

[02:06:54] like i know i have to be right now so they're really good at like planting these yeah little foreshadowing moments that yeah you know if you if you if you're familiar with the book then

[02:07:08] then uh then you know but um yeah i saw that and i was just like oh no not our helena she should be protected um yeah all good stuff oh and one other thing um this this could be a reach

[02:07:24] but i'm curious to hear uh if if y'all have similar thoughts again same scene the riot they're at king's landing with alcint helena the uh fella that lost his arm uh-huh uh when when it

[02:07:38] chopped off and they made such a point to focus on his arm yep do we think that could be shepherd it could be the shepherd yep yep boy oh boy oh boy i don't know that'll come to fruition right

[02:07:54] i bet that'll be next but maybe or even uh yeah that's gonna be season three or four four yeah yeah yeah but i thought it was yeah i didn't even know that yeah um gosh so much stuff's coming

[02:08:18] you know i uh even knowing that some things are gonna be coming uh even if even if they change things so there's some fundamental things that have to happen to try to stay somewhat true um

[02:08:30] you know like dealing with rick's rest that was that was rough and it's just gonna be hard to prepare for some of these things come yeah i think i've asked rinnie this previously but do you think

[02:08:41] they'll change the way christian coal goes out because it feels so anticlimactic to me in the book i need him to burn i need christ b Cole i hope they change it so much i hope they jazzed it up a

[02:08:56] little anyway um as long as as long as he goes out yeah i think i think they i think they will i think they need to give him a really show showy death yeah i agree hopefully we'll get that

[02:09:14] out nothing would make me happy all right any any other book spoilers any other thoughts that was it wonderful as always y'all um happy to have someone to chat to book about i don't have anyone my daughter's to show watch her own so i'm always just like

[02:09:38] you know very very tight lipped about things so that was great to chat with y'all all right so next week on house of the dragon um we're going to be covering uh season two episode

[02:09:51] seven uh which remains untitled so far they're uh you know being very tight lipped about the titles which i appreciate so um so we'll see what happens when that comes out and what that

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[02:10:18] email at dragon castica at gmail dot com and you can find dragon casts and a bunch of other great podcasts at podcastica dot com um i'm really uh loving lucy and peter's coverage of the bear um

[02:10:36] and they're doing little cooking episodes each week um and i just saw one dropped and i think it has uh jason in it with them as they were all in the same place um so i'm excited i haven't been able

[02:10:49] to listen yet but that's on my on my cue what about you guys anything good you're listening to yeah i've been working my way through sweet tooth with your coverage on strange indeed rima thank you

[02:11:03] yeah and i i have not i i did not watch ahead i've been doing it week by week along with your coverage so it's been great thank you well thank you so much i appreciate that only yeah we're

[02:11:16] covering um season three in the final um uh season of sweet tooth on strange indeed pake and i uh having a great time covering that sad see it go it's been a little you know um

[02:11:28] bittersweet um you know when your shows come to an end uh as they do but yeah that's been great uh and kobra kai's kicking off uh we've already had the first episode i wasn't able to join

[02:11:41] scheduling conflicts really stink so i wasn't able to join jason and rich uh for the first one schedules have just been really hectic at least for me i'll speak for myself um but i'll definitely

[02:11:51] be on the next one we're recording that uh for the second episode this week so yeah the final season of kobra kai's kicking off on netflix so uh you know be sure to check that out we have a

[02:12:01] really good time uh with that show it's been pretty great so yeah definitely you know check out those shows and all the great content right a lot of great stuff on park castigo all right

[02:12:15] that's our show thanks for listening everyone until next time i'm rinnie i'm veranika and i'm reema dracarys