38: Evil Dead Rise (2023)

[00:00:00] Everybody here dies by dawn bad.

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[00:00:40] Hey Zed heads welcome to the podcast I'm Jason.

[00:00:42] And I'm Chris.

[00:00:43] And I'm Richard.

[00:00:44] And this is the cast of us episode 520.

[00:00:47] But wait Jason it's also Evil Dead cast number 38.

[00:00:51] It's two in one.

[00:00:53] Yes it is.

[00:00:54] What?

[00:00:56] And this episode we're covering the latest Evil Dead movie.

[00:00:59] Evil Dead Rise.

[00:01:01] Woohoo!

[00:01:02] Woo!

[00:01:03] It's back baby.

[00:01:05] This is a reunion for us.

[00:01:08] If you're listening to this on the cast of us,

[00:01:11] you may not know that the three of us covered all the previous Evil Dead movies.

[00:01:16] Well at least two or three of us covered all those.

[00:01:18] And every single episode of the fantastically hilarious and disgusting series

[00:01:23] Ashford's Evil Dead over on Evil Dead cast.

[00:01:27] And we had a really good time doing that.

[00:01:29] We also interviewed most of the cast members over there,

[00:01:32] Ray Santiago, Dana De Lorenzo, Lucy Frickin-Lalus

[00:01:36] and I even got to speak to Bruce Campbell himself for a few minutes there at the end.

[00:01:41] So if you want to hear any of that, if you're an evil dead fan

[00:01:44] and you didn't even know about any of that go to podcastacad.com

[00:01:47] and click podcast and look for the Evil Dead cast.

[00:01:50] It was really fun so I recommend it.

[00:01:53] It was one of the most fun I've had podcasting.

[00:01:58] It was so great.

[00:01:59] And Jason, you forgot that you and I co-hosted a panel with the cast of the show too.

[00:02:03] That's right.

[00:02:04] That was a great time.

[00:02:07] And we got a picture afterwards that I put in my favorites.

[00:02:11] Such a great picture just standing there with all of them.

[00:02:14] It's so awesome.

[00:02:17] So there's a new Evil Dead movie so we came out of hibernation to cover it.

[00:02:24] It came out of mouthballs, of course.

[00:02:27] And it's called Evil Dead Rise and I can't wait to hear what you guys think of it.

[00:02:31] I have no idea. Richard, what did you think of it?

[00:02:34] Oh man, that was the perfect resurrection.

[00:02:38] I guess is the best way to explain it.

[00:02:42] I mean, they didn't reinvent the wheel here.

[00:02:44] They gave us what we wanted basically.

[00:02:47] I kept thinking as I was watching it and this isn't a theater mind you.

[00:02:50] So it's not like we got to watch it all a bunch of times while it was playing.

[00:02:54] I was like, this is frickin' awesome.

[00:02:57] I'm glad you put it.

[00:02:59] I'm glad you didn't.

[00:03:00] I should have mentioned we want to tell you first what we thought of it without any spoilers.

[00:03:04] So if you're not sure.

[00:03:06] You haven't seen it yet and you're not sure because this is going to be as always spoiler-filled podcasts.

[00:03:11] But first we'll tell you whether we think you should go see it.

[00:03:14] Clearly Richard thinks you should go see it, right Rich?

[00:03:17] Oh absolutely.

[00:03:18] I mean if you're a fan of horror movies in general and if you're...

[00:03:23] I mean it was just a really good horror movie in general.

[00:03:25] And then also if you're a fan of the franchise Evil Dead you've got to see it.

[00:03:29] That's a no-brainer.

[00:03:30] Chris?

[00:03:31] Yeah, I would agree with that.

[00:03:33] You've got to go see it if you're a fan of Evil Dead, of course.

[00:03:36] If you like horror movies definitely do it.

[00:03:39] It's gory, it's fun.

[00:03:41] I was super entertained.

[00:03:43] I found myself smiling throughout a really good time in the theater despite my theater being full of a bunch assholes.

[00:03:50] But that's just a problem with the theater going experience these days at the end of general I find.

[00:03:55] But it was great.

[00:03:58] I had a really good time.

[00:04:00] Yeah.

[00:04:01] I really wonder, I wish we had brought on somebody who never...

[00:04:06] Who's like...

[00:04:07] If there is even anyone like this who's like a horror movie fan but didn't see any of the Evil Dead movies.

[00:04:12] Because I want to know what you would think of this movie if you hadn't seen it.

[00:04:16] I think anybody would like it but I just want to know what your perspective would be if you hadn't seen them.

[00:04:22] But for me I love just bringing all the Evil Dead lore into a new context you know.

[00:04:29] Which is one of the reasons why I liked Asher for the Evil Dead.

[00:04:32] Now, of course, no Evil Dead movie without Asher is as good as an Evil Dead movie with Asher.

[00:04:40] So you have to go in knowing...

[00:04:42] I mean that's how we feel.

[00:04:43] I don't even have to ask you guys that and I know that's how you feel.

[00:04:47] I do think you're onto something there because when we get into more spoilers and stuff like that

[00:04:54] there's definitely things different about this movie than the original Evil Dead films, Asher versus Evil Dead.

[00:05:02] And for the most part I'm totally okay with those differences but it is a little bit of a different kind of Evil Dead movie I think.

[00:05:11] But still good.

[00:05:12] We also saw that 2013 Evil Dead movie which I haven't seen it in years but in my recollection

[00:05:21] this movie is more fun than that movie.

[00:05:23] That movie was... I liked it too but it was more brutal and stark and this movie has some gore but it was funnier.

[00:05:31] So it felt a little bit more like a classic Evil Dead movie to me than that one did.

[00:05:36] Yeah, I think the difference was the Deadites.

[00:05:39] You know, the Deadites and this one were like the Deadites from the show and from the original stuff.

[00:05:43] They poke at your legs or...

[00:05:44] They poke at your legs or...

[00:05:45] Yeah, there are assholes.

[00:05:48] Yeah, which is awesome.

[00:05:50] So yeah we all really liked it and if you're an Evil Dead fan we definitely think you should go see it

[00:05:56] and even if you're just a horror movie fan for sure.

[00:06:00] For sure. I was hoping to have time to go back and watch the 2013 one again because I walked out of Evil Dead Rise

[00:06:08] thinking to myself kind of trying to compare it to that one a little bit in a way but I realized I didn't recall it quite as well as I wanted to.

[00:06:16] Unfortunately, I didn't have time to do that but I have sort of quickly gone back and read a synopsis

[00:06:22] so it's a little fresher in my mind but I think in some ways this movie Evil Dead Rise

[00:06:28] is the best of both worlds in a way.

[00:06:32] Yeah, I agree.

[00:06:33] As compared to 2013 and Evil Dead 2 or Army of Darkness.

[00:06:38] And so Karen who if you've listened to this podcast for a while you know her she and I started this podcast years ago

[00:06:45] covered Walking Dead for years and she and I have been friends for years before that.

[00:06:49] We always used to go to horror movies together and we both loved the Evil Dead movies so we went to see the 2013

[00:06:55] Evil Dead movie together and I remember sitting there watching it with her and liking it

[00:07:00] and then I turned it afterwards and she's hated it.

[00:07:04] Yeah and I think it's just because she likes the goofiness of the Evil Dead movies

[00:07:09] and that didn't have that at all.

[00:07:11] And it did have a lot of evil deadness to it but it didn't have that.

[00:07:14] And so now after having seen this I actually kind of think she might dig this movie.

[00:07:18] I don't know for sure but I think she would.

[00:07:21] If she does end up watching it I'm definitely curious to find out.

[00:07:25] Anyway, so that's the end of our spoiler free set.

[00:07:29] Now we're going to get into all the details about it.

[00:07:32] Were you going to just say something rich?

[00:07:34] No, no, no, no. I was just talking I was agreeing with what you just said a little bit late but yeah this one

[00:07:39] I think it's about the funny parts came from the Deadites themselves.

[00:07:46] Yeah. I mean what they were doing to the people wasn't exactly funny.

[00:07:50] And I would say well that's how all of it is never nice.

[00:07:56] But in this movie well like I said I haven't seen the 2013 one in a while but Ash is fucking hilarious and he's the hero.

[00:08:05] But in this movie I think even the woman Beth she had a little bit of lightness to her.

[00:08:13] She said come get some and she yeah so I think there was some especially considering that you see kids die in this movie

[00:08:22] and it's yeah mom talking really disturbing things to her kids.

[00:08:27] You'd think that could be super just dark and depressing even but I didn't find it that way.

[00:08:34] I thought it was kind of fun. I mean we're all twisted fucks but anyway.

[00:08:38] Yeah, I don't know if I found this one as funny as you guys did because I I didn't I thought this one lacked the humor a little bit.

[00:08:48] I mean the 2013 one almost completely lacked any of that I thought.

[00:08:53] Ash versus Evil Dead the TV show was the goofiest of them all of course.

[00:08:58] And this one I thought was much closer to the 2013 in that respect than it was anything else.

[00:09:05] I didn't think it was that funny and you know I realized it's Bruce Campbell that brings the humor to Evil Dead for the most part.

[00:09:14] And and I still love this one there were still some bits that you know made me laugh a little bit but I didn't find it that funny.

[00:09:23] But I also didn't mind that about it. I thought it was still really good and really worth my time you know.

[00:09:31] Yeah, I don't I didn't necessarily find it funny maybe some parts but lighter you know like if there's like a goofy scale or a light to really do.

[00:09:43] And then I would put it really dark and just totally stark scale.

[00:09:48] I would put 2013 let's say from one to 10 2013 Evil Dead is like a two maybe.

[00:09:54] And then the first Evil Dead movie well no I would say this movie comes next at like a four.

[00:10:02] And the first Evil Dead movie is like a five with 10 being the goofiest right then.

[00:10:09] Then Evil Dead 2 is like a seven and then Army of Darkness is like an eight and asked for his evil dead is like a 12.

[00:10:20] Right. Yeah I would agree with that rating scale for the most part.

[00:10:26] Somewhere that's pretty good yeah.

[00:10:29] I was wondering like I just thought to myself can it does it still feel like Evil Dead it totally does and yeah still be awesome without Bruce and all the super goofy stuff.

[00:10:40] I totally think it does because I really enjoyed it.

[00:10:44] And before Ash versus Evil Dead the TV show I might have even thought to myself if they go to goofy is it not going to feel like Evil Dead or am I not going to like it?

[00:10:56] But I love that too. So it's almost like no matter what they do here as long as we kind of are within the Evil Dead universe.

[00:11:03] I mean it's going to be great. I'm really good for me to go on great thing about Ash versus Evil Dead is when it got goofy it sometimes did it in ways that were just so fucked up and disturbing.

[00:11:16] Like when they went to that sperm bank and they were sliding around and all the same.

[00:11:21] That was situational humor there.

[00:11:23] Ash got eaten by the thing and then like pooped out like remember that was just so just thinking amazing but we all remember the very worst one when he wore that corpse like a hat and it's balls were hanging down in his face.

[00:11:38] Not in the mouth.

[00:11:41] Oh boy anyway alright let's get into our points here Rich what do you got?

[00:11:48] I'm a big shout out to Alyssa Sutherland.

[00:11:53] Oh my gosh she played Ellie. Oh man she did fantastic.

[00:11:57] She knows how to make a creepy face.

[00:11:59] Oh geez yeah I don't know something about her physical features really play the part for this and then she just such a fantastic job acting like a dead

[00:12:07] fight after her own kids which is which is something in itself right there.

[00:12:11] There's not a whole lot of horror movies where there's a mom hunting down her own kids.

[00:12:16] I don't know if any I'm sure there must be some but I don't mean like right there you're just like oh geez but yeah.

[00:12:22] Oh my gosh she had the look she did I'm sure they had help with the voice but her body movements I mean just the way she moved away.

[00:12:32] She spoke I was just taking a back and also she I think she embodied the silliness of this you know particular show.

[00:12:44] This particular movie of Evil Dead because I felt like walking out of theater I felt like everything about it was you know sans the situational parts of it.

[00:12:54] It was it was like a regular evil dead show just lacking Bruce Campbell and everything else was pretty much the same all the background was the same the dead I was still

[00:13:04] sadistic assholes you know just missing the main character there so it really felt like evil dead and she did a great job playing a dead

[00:13:12] night I felt yeah the best thing about the dead it's is they just take glee in torturing people and in finding their source spots and picking at them or just doing something really fucked up

[00:13:27] in front of them just to see their terrified reaction and they giggle at it you know and just that attitude or saying the most vulgar thing you could think of.

[00:13:36] Yeah the opening scene when she walked into the kitchen and started frying some eggs yeah I was like all this is going to be good that's a super disturbing because well so we see you get attacked in the elevator and then the next thing we see her in the doorway but she's standing at a weird angle.

[00:13:55] And if you're an evil dead fan you know what that means she's possessed but yeah she still they still think she's mom and then she's throwing eggs in this hot frying pan shells and all it's like well that's kind of what mom does but it's not it's not breakfast time and that's just not how you do it.

[00:14:12] Yeah usually there's less shell talks about a dream she had cutting them open and getting inside them so they could all stay one happy family.

[00:14:22] Yeah a little bit of foreshadowing I think they're really well you know well I wanted to talk about a list of southern two because I agree Rich she was amazing as a deadite creepy movements and exaggerated facial expressions were awesome.

[00:14:37] The makeup job and the special effects on her were incredible so I got to give props to the people that were in charge of that as well.

[00:14:45] The elevator scene was amazing the way the vines or whatever were kind of attacking her and then stringing her up and bending her legs in weird ways and.

[00:14:54] And those are cables right but you said that because it is very much deliberate echo of the tree rape scenes from the call back there yeah I mean not as or no rape I think is an okay improvement but you're right the vine similar to the elevator cables a little bone cracky I was going to say it time

[00:15:14] which is always gross and awesome and just the way it was twisting her in an unnatural position and she's helpless not being able to do anything about it that's just really disturbing.

[00:15:25] I wonder how much of that was her being flexible yeah and CGI because yeah did not look comfortable probably a combination of both but like that's just you know good for her for being able to pull that off you know so everything about her performance I thought was fantastic you know she's I guess active.

[00:15:43] And other things but I didn't know her and they really picked a great person for that role and I read that somebody compared her performance to Jim carry in the mask with the sort of rubbery face enabled the like smile big and do all kinds of goofy stuff you know which I know if I would have thought of but it's kind of works so kind of makes me want to see Jim carry in an evil dead movie actually great.

[00:16:07] I want to see her in a spent sure there you go so you can be the next one right this swap roles yeah.

[00:16:18] So anyways she was so great cool all right well I'm going to talk about that I found the premise to be shock I mean not the premise I guess is an evil book brings demons into the world that's evil dead but bringing that to a family where I was like

[00:16:36] Oh wait this is about kids there like playing in goofing around and they're not going to kill kids are they because we don't usually see that in horror movies and I was like oh yeah wait poltergeist that kids and then I'm like well no no they never got killed though there's no Gore

[00:16:53] and spoilers for poltergeist but man they were sure did in this one they got they died horrifically and just watching a mom a primary caretaker get possessed and go after her kids I wasn't necessarily clamoring to see that but it really does take the concept of how the deadites possess people

[00:17:12] and then have them say the things that hurt the most like they always did it to to an awfulness and tension level at a new level when you it's the mom talking to the kids.

[00:17:24] Yeah like she's saying I'm free now free from all you titty sucking parasites right that's the embodiment of the evil yes that's the evil thing yeah yeah or yeah when she says yeah I want to cut you open and climb inside you so we can stay happy family

[00:17:42] and and it's about motherhood to like Beth is pregnant her sister and I I don't think they said it explicitly but it sounds like she's so she's a guitar tech but they keep calling her groupie so I think that means she's probably pregnant with the rock stars baby

[00:17:59] is that what you guys thought.

[00:18:01] I didn't take that specifically but they like they were calling her wasn't the deadite calling her a groupie did her sister call no they all sister did yeah because then the neighbors like oh yeah you're the groupie well I guess that's what they're

[00:18:15] implying there yeah yeah so then let's see what else yeah the whole thing with the omelets is very mother like it but in a disturbing way

[00:18:25] and then the kids start dying and I felt bad for a bridge it was the first one her her mom cut her face and then it grew black and then and then she started bleeding out her nose that was like the first

[00:18:36] kid core and then she's glass bloody maggots yeah yeah eating glass and then and then she so she's fully possessed she runs at her little sister and her little sister Cassie skewers her with this broomstick

[00:18:53] that they accidentally broke when they were playing earlier and then she pulls it out of herself and you think she's survived and then she falls over dead and blood seeping out

[00:19:04] and then but then she comes out covered in this blanket that they'd tied her up in and Danny stabs her with a big kitchen knife and she just pulls it out from

[00:19:14] herself and stabs that kid in the arm right through the arm and then barced blood all over him and then he sets her on fire and he's he's she stabbed him to right and then he's dying on the floor

[00:19:25] and sees his sister under the bed and apologize to her so man mom and two over three kids die and if Aunt Beth wasn't there then Cassie would have been dead too but I'm glad not everyone died that would have been

[00:19:39] too depressing yeah somebody had to be saved right yeah right I mean it's a little formulaic I think to say that someone had to be saved but that's just the way these these movies go

[00:19:50] usually yeah usually I I will say that when they when they introduced some of the neighbors in the apartment building I thought oh God

[00:20:01] they're just gonna they're gonna kill off all the neighbors and the whole family's gonna survive yeah or or maybe one of the kids will die but the rest

[00:20:08] will survive and I'm glad they didn't go that route I mean they killed off all the neighbors yeah also killed off a lot of the kids so what you're saying is

[00:20:16] your glad that kids died I mean you know to be fair was there fault I kid Danny he deserved to die for yeah totally

[00:20:29] but you got to have at least one total dumbass and every hormone yeah none of this will happen if there wasn't a dumbass somebody has to read the

[00:20:36] passage right I mean he's the one that gave us our money is worth you got to admit read the passages or listen to the records

[00:20:43] but one more thing on this whole like motherhood thing Ellie actress Alyssa Sutherland was interviewed by the New York Times

[00:20:53] and they said I don't know if I've ever seen a character like Ellie on screen she's a horrifically bad woman and that's so exciting to me

[00:21:02] in the shining we could we could have a dad turn on his family but to watch a mother turn on her family I know that was a real risk for

[00:21:08] Warner Brothers and New Line to take oh wait I think she's saying this sorry that's not what New York Times saying she's saying this

[00:21:15] I know that was a real risk for Warner Brothers and New Line to take but they were behind us I don't get roles like that

[00:21:20] I don't think many actresses do so to sink my teeth into it I love that and then they said Alyssa your character says and does

[00:21:27] awful things to her kids what did it take inside yourself to do that and she said well I'm a mother so it was easy

[00:21:34] you know I'm just kidding she says I think a lot of women can relate to having some unexpressed rage

[00:21:39] I've definitely been conditioned to self-sacrifice and abandon myself to make other people comfortable and deny my own needs

[00:21:46] that leaves a residue inside of you I'm tapping into rage from somewhere else to be able to say these things

[00:21:51] so that was interesting yeah I was wondering that too I'm like I wonder how many people are silently like yes

[00:21:57] not that they would ever do that you know like an outlet some part of you yeah well I mean what what you're talking about

[00:22:06] Jason a little bit is something I was thinking about to when I set off the top that there's feels like

[00:22:11] there's kind of two different kinds of evil dead movies in a way where Bruce Campbell's there it's really goofy and he's

[00:22:18] he's a bit like a cartoon character stuck in the real world and that's kind of what the movies are but the 2013 one

[00:22:26] and this one are trying to sort of be about something more than just the you know fighting off the deadites

[00:22:34] yeah and in 2013 if you remember that character was overcoming addiction they took her out into the cabin to try to detox her

[00:22:42] or whatever we got about the evil attacks right and stuff like that and this one is kind of about motherhood

[00:22:49] and parenting as as you were saying she's trying to kill her children and it's kind of a metaphor for I think anyways

[00:22:57] like parental trauma inflicted on kids because being a mother is hard and a lot of people really struggle with it you know

[00:23:05] through her house just left her and she's exactly yeah totally and you know I mean whether it was successful or not

[00:23:14] you know it's an evil dead movie but I think that's what they were going for and it's really there so I mean I don't know if

[00:23:20] it had anything super deep to say but it did add this element of just yeah wow this family trying just struggling and then

[00:23:29] yeah the mother gets possessed in turns against them and it just made it all the more awful it's it's depicting in a

[00:23:37] in an insane crazy way a really real like real life thing and like you said it probably didn't have anything really

[00:23:46] that in depth to say about it but you know I actually applaud them for for trying in a way to to include it in the film so I think

[00:23:54] that's one of the things that made this movie even better actually yeah right because I was called evil dead

[00:24:00] rising any of that was because it was going to take place in a high rise and so I just thought it was going

[00:24:04] to be a lot of people in the high rise being terrorized but I didn't realize it was going to be a lot about

[00:24:10] family so that made it really interesting yeah for sure on one floor too yeah the other

[00:24:14] floors didn't even know what the hell is going on I know he slept right through it well that's right

[00:24:20] the girl at the end who was also at the beginning she seemed to just come down and be like yeah just

[00:24:23] another game yeah talking on her phone everything's great yeah wait what's going on so if you're in a

[00:24:28] apartment high rise just let that be a lesson you never know what's going on on the floor right above you

[00:24:32] that's true until the blood starts deceiving through the floor really well insulated yeah okay rich return

[00:24:40] um you know the I'm sure we're going to talk a lot about this but the callbacks and fans service

[00:24:47] tons of them but what I enjoyed the most was how it started off slow right you got a few things

[00:24:54] here like you mentioned Chris you know with the cables in the elevator kind of mimicking the vines

[00:24:58] in the forest and then you know it picks up a little bit you get more and more and then towards

[00:25:03] you know the back half of the movie you start getting the eyeballs in the mouth yeah shotguns and

[00:25:10] the chainsaws the one liners and and uh and oh my god how much blood yeah Christ so much blood but

[00:25:19] what I I loved getting all the Easter eggs and callbacks but what I think one thing I really loved

[00:25:26] about it the most is they were all done in a way where I think if you were watching this movie and

[00:25:32] you hadn't seen any evil dead movies before you wouldn't notice if they all made sense they were

[00:25:37] unobtrusive yeah yeah because sometimes when a Easter egg shows up and you haven't seen the

[00:25:43] thing before you're just like well that must have come from the movie before because it doesn't make

[00:25:46] any sense but they all fit in really well I thought yeah yeah yeah uh and then on top of that

[00:25:52] I've already said this like a couple of times but the deadites acted like the deadites yeah I was

[00:25:57] like oh well this is evil dead yeah this is what they do you all right yeah so that was great

[00:26:04] and the other part of that too was how well they uh like set up this you know the evil dead in

[00:26:12] this particular setting you know they didn't go over too much they they introduced the book they

[00:26:18] had the reading of the passage which wasn't super obvious you know it's just something you would

[00:26:22] normally do I suppose if you were a teenager the evil the explanation that being trapped in

[00:26:27] the in the building they escape and all of that was done really well you know it moved at a

[00:26:33] brisk pace they didn't overdo it they didn't underdo it I thought it was yeah a perfect production

[00:26:38] really it really what the pacing was great and they really got in the lore of of what this book was

[00:26:45] I mean you don't really need to know much it's a it's this demonic book that if you read

[00:26:50] in contaction skinnabring but they got that in quickly you know yeah yeah found in human skin

[00:26:55] you know that's important and the movie wasn't long right and they fit all this in in an

[00:27:00] efficient way I I thought they did an amazing job setting it in an apartment building and then

[00:27:06] using an earthquake to crack open the floor and it's an old bank so something was stored away

[00:27:12] down in a vault I mean that all sort of is plausible in a way yeah earthquake two it also

[00:27:17] did disabled the elevator right and and it like well I ended up using the elevator at the end yeah

[00:27:26] that's right but I disabled the staircase it did yours court down well it disabled the elevator

[00:27:32] because they kind of crashed down in the elevator at the yeah because they weren't going to you

[00:27:36] I think they didn't want to use it because mom said don't use the elevator after earthquake right

[00:27:40] but so they felt trapped you know and it when I found out or when I knew this was going to be

[00:27:47] about a high rise you know I thought well that'll be in the city it'll be different but it felt

[00:27:52] similar to the other evil dead movies which take place in this cabin remote cabin it kind of

[00:27:57] still felt like that because their traps are where totally a remote cabin is easy to feel trapped

[00:28:04] in right there's nothing else around but for us here you're in Los Angeles there's a huge city

[00:28:08] around you so it would have been easy for them to just try to run away and escape except that they

[00:28:14] did all these clever things to keep them there and sort of recreate that feeling and even so

[00:28:19] they said I think the building was in such disrepair it was going to be torn down soon yeah and almost

[00:28:25] the earthquake almost destroyed it anyways right yeah right and whatever one I had a couple nitpicks

[00:28:32] not too heavy but if I was in a building that was going to be demolished in a month and there

[00:28:36] was an earthquake I would leave that night right away yeah the place is already condemned it might

[00:28:42] just fall down any day now yeah especially if I do yeah they did that was another thing they did

[00:28:47] really well too I had a sense of like claustrophobia watching this thing did you guys I mean the front

[00:28:52] doors blocked obviously by mine yeah and then you know the backside there's no fire escapes she opened

[00:28:57] the window you got to see it was like pouring rain nobody could hear her it was just a sheer drop

[00:29:02] the elevator was you know the stairs were out the elevator was at the time we thought useless and I

[00:29:07] was like oh yeah man this is pretty cool yeah there wasn't even a people thing was amazing and

[00:29:12] that's a new thing for evil dead but you're that's their window into the outside world and every time

[00:29:17] they looked out it they saw not good stuff yeah the people and you got to watch uh you got

[00:29:23] to watch all those neighbors getting murdered through the people I was surprised she didn't stab

[00:29:28] somebody in the eye through the people actually I mean we almost got some eye trauma in another way

[00:29:34] but the people was great because you see there's a whole scene where you're just looking through the

[00:29:38] people from what is their name testes view and uh what was your name Beth yeah the sister the young

[00:29:46] rigid daughter Cassie Cassie Cassie sorry um and like you see her going back and forth out in the hall

[00:29:53] and killing people but you don't really see what's going on and well in a body flies by you see I

[00:29:58] think the wall you see uh yeah the guy who's eye she bit out so right Cassie look or somebody looks

[00:30:06] through and all of a sudden he pops up jump scare yeah and then you see Ellie or is that a name

[00:30:12] Ellie the mom come up and just cut us through and then she's like starting to look at the

[00:30:18] through the people but then she gets blast with a shotgun boom right out of it then you see

[00:30:22] the neighbor come by but then you hear him screaming like he's getting destroyed and then she

[00:30:27] comes back over and looks into the keyhole people yeah but it sure was entertaining

[00:30:36] well I want to talk a little bit about uh since Rich just mentioned um callbacks did you have

[00:30:42] anything on that Chris because I had some uh no you go I mean I think I recognized a plenty plenty

[00:30:49] of them but they'll be the same yeah so I mean it starts with the cabin so that was a bit of a

[00:30:54] callback and there's even a grandfather clock ticking in there um I mean the book the the

[00:31:01] Necronomicon obviously yeah that was another cool point too did you guys catch that it was one

[00:31:07] of three Necronomicons yeah yeah that was cool I like that I have more on that later oh okay cool

[00:31:13] yeah and then playing the recording of someone reading the incantations and everyone in the audience

[00:31:19] going you should turn that off yeah that idea yep come on dude the deadites yet poking at people's

[00:31:26] sore spots and moving in creepy ways the demon cam you know that comes up which they did a nice

[00:31:33] fake out at first and how to be a drone but then later we got the actual demon cam

[00:31:39] and just the choppy filming style it felt ramy-esque a lot of the time maybe not quite as extreme as he

[00:31:45] does but definitely with odd angles and things like that yeah fast zooms he loves that things like that

[00:31:52] yeah I think they even did one where you see the guys face but it looks like the background is

[00:31:56] coming up behind him um the cable scene that was like the the tree vine thing the tons of blood

[00:32:02] the chainsaw and dismemberments um lines Ellie grabs Beth and said I will swallow your soul

[00:32:10] uh-huh I was like yeah yeah the one-liners are great she grabs a shotgun and says come get some

[00:32:16] and then I well I think my favorite in the hallway towards the end you know Ellie's like she's

[00:32:20] trying to take your mommy away from you Cassie and she goes I know you're not my mommy anymore

[00:32:25] and then the neighbor uh who had been killed wakes up and he's a deadite and he goes that's my

[00:32:31] gun you cut and then the dead kids come out laughing and the mom's laughing and they're all like

[00:32:37] the neighbor with no eyes laughing and then Ellie says everybody here dies by dawn Beth

[00:32:44] and then they'll start dead by dawn that was my favorite line everybody here dies by dawn Beth

[00:32:52] right on dead by dawn of course there's the shotgun um there's uh I guess that's about it yeah

[00:33:01] yeah those are great probably more more but that's what I noticed yeah all

[00:33:06] all of it supposedly those fun to see yeah supposedly those recordings were done in 1922

[00:33:12] yeah 23 20s I think they said something yeah they said something about that yep uh and voiced by

[00:33:18] Bruce Campbell at least one of the voices on the recordings yeah I didn't know that till I looked

[00:33:23] it up after no I got it but I didn't recognize the voice in there I saw it twice I went last week

[00:33:31] but then um I knew I would forget uh so I went and saw it again today and I totally heard

[00:33:40] Bruce Campbell's voice in there oh yeah I took a note so I'm trying to find where my note is where is

[00:33:46] it uh so um we hear this guy father Marcus littleton giving a talk in LA he's unveiling

[00:33:56] this artifact one of the three fabled books of the nutroom de monto the book of the dead

[00:34:04] and then a voice in the crowd says destroy it it's called the book of the dead for a reason

[00:34:10] and that's Bruce and the director Lee Cronin said there's Bruce Campbell can be oh and that

[00:34:17] cameo potentially is actually ash Williams think about how time works for ash as a character

[00:34:23] and that voice that you may hear is captured on something that was recorded a hundred years ago

[00:34:27] and the fact that this his particular line is a warning showcases somebody that knows more than

[00:34:31] the other people in the room I know that sounds very cryptic but it's supposed to wow all that has a

[00:34:38] whole holy crap I mean didn't we leave him when he was in the future now he's in the path I mean

[00:34:44] he said maybe so yeah I know Bruce Campbell doesn't want to play ash anymore isn't there talk though

[00:34:51] of him doing another one I thought I heard something about that he says no but he said

[00:34:58] there has been some talk of doing an animated series that would continue ash versus evil dead

[00:35:03] and he would do that okay well I'll watch that too yeah hell yeah wow yeah that could be pretty

[00:35:11] good right why not well we got to talk about maybe more of the gore in this yeah in this movie I

[00:35:20] think when I watched the trailer before I saw the movie I kind of wish I hadn't but I'm one of

[00:35:26] those people that can't help myself I wish I didn't watch trailers to go in like fresh but then I

[00:35:31] just watched them anyways but when I watched the trailer for this I I had like I sort of had to

[00:35:39] close my eyes a couple of times at the trailer because like needle in the eye and the cheese grater

[00:35:44] on the leg and I'm like all right I thought this movie was going to be super disturbing but then overall

[00:35:49] when I was watching it it actually didn't bother me as much I I had a much easier time watching the film

[00:35:55] than I did the trailer which was weird but yeah the cheese grater was awesome the tattoo needle

[00:36:00] going to the eye was creepy but I it they sort of cut away from it anyways um didn't actually

[00:36:07] you poked in the eye either so yeah I didn't actually uh the big of course at the end well

[00:36:14] everyone is just coated in blood after the elevator yeah there's lots of vomiting with maggots and

[00:36:21] bugs and glass eating and scissors up the nose which was it didn't like that which was a great

[00:36:26] bit I mean eating the glass and then you see it poking out a real throat that yeah man but like

[00:36:33] I was I was totally fine with that dream it was yeah it worked in the context of the movie and

[00:36:39] it didn't bother me the cheese grater when she uh it's between Beth and Bridget the middle

[00:36:46] girl yeah she's grabbing for that cheese grater it's like one of those classic horror movies like no

[00:36:51] no no no no no no man that part got me I mean I can handle like arms being ripped off

[00:36:59] eye gouging knife cutting scout pulling flesh burning but Jesus Christ cheese grater

[00:37:04] does she use gray leg with little curls of flesh cheddar cheese come on but it's one of those

[00:37:12] things that you're like wow I can't believe no one's ever thought of that before right and you'll

[00:37:16] never eat shredded mozzarella the same again and on the back of the calf that part is sensitive oh yeah

[00:37:25] all that was awesome and then of course at the end there's that giant three headed monster which

[00:37:30] wasn't gross itself and everything gets fed into this tree giant tree whatever the monster like

[00:37:40] at first they show the two dead kids like ripping into mom right and she's just smiling

[00:37:46] and then they start like climbing in but the creepiest part from well then you see uh

[00:37:52] Beth and Cassie in the car in the garage and then she's like where's the clicker to open the door

[00:37:57] but it's not working and then you see oh it's coming and you look and it's just like crawling and skittering

[00:38:02] towards them yeah yeah but then there's a they get separated like Beth gets outside but they drag

[00:38:08] Cassie back in and then they corner her in the back of this van and just seeing they do a really good

[00:38:14] frontal shot of this creature with the two kids heads and the mom and they're all like grinning

[00:38:20] and it's really super creepy yeah it is I didn't think they ever gave us a really good look at

[00:38:25] the creature though like you do have a couple shots of it but by the time you sort of get a feel

[00:38:30] it's always dark and shadowed but time you get a feeling for what it is it's already going into

[00:38:34] the woodchipper so it looked like it was a three of them right yeah mom and if you ever played

[00:38:42] this game called inside it reminded me of the end of that game anyone who's played that one

[00:38:46] though what I'm talking about was that part of like was that a callback or part of the lore

[00:38:52] like remember and evil did too at the end the manifested itself as a kind of like a giant tree trunk

[00:38:58] kind of thing with a bunch of faces in it stuff maybe yeah I bet you that was inspiration for this

[00:39:02] was like the souls that it had taken I mean while the kids were crawling into the mom you that cut

[00:39:07] to the book and the pages were flipping around and then it stopped on a page that showed a creature

[00:39:12] like that inside the book right right right yeah must be its end game yeah yeah or it's just another

[00:39:20] I mean the dead I just like to do fucked up things yeah you know I was thinking about it and

[00:39:28] one of the things that makes the deadites so entertaining is that they can still talk zombies don't

[00:39:33] talk yeah infected don't talk deadites talk so they can talk to which is which is a great they talk and

[00:39:41] they they are demons possessing humans right but they seem to know everything that that human new

[00:39:50] yeah and so if that it almost feels like like kind of like we're saying before like

[00:39:56] if you possess someone then you can know the things that they've thought about their friends but

[00:40:00] never wanted to say out loud right and then just say those things

[00:40:07] or something like that uh what did you guys think um at the end when she finally picks up

[00:40:14] the chainsaw I think I could have used a little more chainsaw in this movie to be honest she just

[00:40:18] sort of like shoves the thing into the woodchipper with it almost and I would have like a little more

[00:40:24] chainsaw at the end she really came down on her sister's head on top of the head yeah well yeah

[00:40:29] we've seen that before with ash I was kind of hoping for uh you know like uh like a like a swipe

[00:40:35] you know like a like you do use it like a sword and maybe having an arm or something fly off in

[00:40:40] the distance but right but it was good still good I mean I he can't oh yeah you can't do it without

[00:40:47] it but I think a little extra chainsaw would have been fine and in the shotgun too she didn't use

[00:40:52] it a whole lot but she blew off her sister's leg that was pretty cool right did they ever call it a

[00:40:57] boomstick I don't think so I don't think so I think that would have been too much a little too much

[00:41:03] sure I don't know like where would you get that term only ash would think of that uh that's a good

[00:41:08] point that's a good point anything that's really specifically ash you don't necessarily need good

[00:41:14] right she said come get some she's just feeling it you know I could yeah

[00:41:18] yeah see somebody making that just feel in the destruction she had enough of the shit talk

[00:41:24] yeah yes all right my turn sure okay all right I'll talk about the book so if you have it

[00:41:35] if there's anyone who hasn't seen the earlier movies this book or one like it is always what

[00:41:39] brings the demons known as deadites into our world it's bound in flesh inked in blood it's created

[00:41:45] in eight we learned from ash received dead created an ancient times by a race of beings known

[00:41:51] as the dark ones who just were evil beings that used it as a weapon against humanity they called

[00:41:57] forth these demons and then tried to use them as minions and so it opens a world a portal between

[00:42:05] our world and and hell basically or the underworld in the first movie it's referred to as

[00:42:13] natural Demanto which is what they call it in this movie too but then in evil dead two they

[00:42:19] which was sort of like a remake slash sequel to the first movie they called it necronomicon x mortis

[00:42:27] right but it's not the same this is not the same book as in those movies and no director Lee

[00:42:34] Cronin told Empire online and one of the early meetings I had with Sam Raimi I said you know the

[00:42:40] way an army of darkness which is the third evil dead movie there's three books of the dead yeah

[00:42:45] you had one fede had one and I'm gonna take the other one so what they're saying because there was

[00:42:49] a scene where somebody sends ash off to get the book and he comes and he finds three of them

[00:42:55] and he's dead one and so they're saying that one of those other two was in the 2013 evil dead

[00:43:01] movie and this one is the other one huh awesome that's pretty cool yeah I don't mind that at all

[00:43:07] because then we saw the pages flipping through I'm like well they should see ash in there holding his

[00:43:12] chainsaw but no this is a different different books not the same well yeah yeah and so um the

[00:43:18] perhaps a different timeline yeah yeah could be with this this story um so this book the one

[00:43:25] in this movie was found by the Catholic church in the early 20s before being locked away in a secret

[00:43:31] vault beneath a Los Angeles bank and at some time in the 20s uh it was discovered by Catholic

[00:43:39] missionaries overseas though specifically where we don't know by 1923 it was in the possession of

[00:43:46] Father Marcus littleton of St. Patrick's Cathedral he presented it to this council uh he wanted

[00:43:53] to translate it and he believed some of its passages could benefit humanity but they objected so he

[00:44:03] took two front two other priests and began to secretly translate it and then he made a recording

[00:44:11] of himself reading aloud the incantations and uh just for posterity for to keep a record of it on

[00:44:18] this podcast I will now read from the book of the dead I'm just kidding

[00:44:22] right oh geez glad to run number one yeah and so then um he called it called fourth demons that

[00:44:32] proceeded to possess his friends and he um only he remained to fight them and then right and

[00:44:42] then he stopped them somehow I guess it didn't say how I yeah well he kind of went on the

[00:44:48] song I tried about you they can't be stopped the only way to stop him is dismemberment right and we're

[00:44:53] like yeah but then he said even that didn't work and the only thing you can do is run run so

[00:45:00] I don't know I kind of felt like he was almost saying dismemberment doesn't work as that then

[00:45:04] they ended up having to use the chipper at the end but we all know dismemberment works that's what

[00:45:09] Ash does but anyway well yeah it stops the the dead I hear now but it doesn't stop the evil

[00:45:15] yeah yeah that's true so anyway then he took it and hit it in a secret vault because he couldn't

[00:45:20] destroy the book and um and they found it in the 20s I mean in the present day during this well

[00:45:28] I guess the bank eventually became an apartment complex and the vault was sealed beneath the

[00:45:35] parking garage for some reason but then the earthquake opened it up I want to recreate that prop

[00:45:42] yeah book yeah I was badass I can I can 3d print the book and then I got actually have some old teeth

[00:45:50] that I got from from like an ancient sea creature they're really long and thin that would be cool

[00:45:57] it reminded you of that yeah yeah yeah I thought it was great too I thought it was great I like

[00:46:03] who I thought it was great I like these horror movies right I found it creative that when the kid

[00:46:11] you know cut his hand on the tooth and then he bled on the book a little bit it kind of rewaking it

[00:46:17] yeah yeah after it had been in like you know I don't know hibernation for a hundred years

[00:46:22] right the blood kind of seeped in through the yeah to the page to cover right yeah yeah yeah

[00:46:28] yeah oh here yeah okay so then when she listened to the third recording he said I was misguided and

[00:46:34] this is my final warning the book can't be destroyed I'm bearing it deep in this vaults

[00:46:40] it released a demonic entity the demon possessed the other priest and mocked their prayers

[00:46:47] and the evil wasn't governed by the rules of man it takes its pleasure in creating terror through

[00:46:52] total chaos it let then he led his brothers to a wood shed and said it ablaze but they danced in

[00:46:59] its flames I buried their squirming spitting corpses in constant created earth but they arose again

[00:47:04] rotted and rage filled then he would lighten the seller for a night hiding from them so they got

[00:47:10] a little seller action in there yeah I knew only one choice remained complete bodily dismemberment

[00:47:15] I'm like oh yeah and then I chopped and I hacked and I failed it's only a matter of time before

[00:47:20] I'm taking two nothing can stop this demonic force do you just run all you can do is run

[00:47:26] run I'm not gonna ask Jason how you got such an accurate transcript of the movie because I don't

[00:47:33] think I want to know and the the the incantations are kunda astrata here got done

[00:47:43] oh all right that's cool I like the idea of more than one book and it means there are there's

[00:47:53] that much more chaos going on out there because there are books being discovered all over the place

[00:47:58] or at least in three places so more books the better I guess for the evil well I mean they kind

[00:48:05] of left it too for a sequel or at least something they can work off of right I mean the evil

[00:48:10] still out there and now it happens to be out in the woods in a cabin yeah look at that back at

[00:48:15] the cabin but you know what if they just did evil dead movies in kind of an anthology style where

[00:48:22] you know we there's one in a cabin there was one in an apartment in LA and then they do one

[00:48:26] somewhere else and somewhere else and only have them be related because it's

[00:48:31] the evil and a book shows up I think that might be a cool way to take this franchise

[00:48:37] yeah rather than have them be direct sequels to each other and stuff like that well in an interview

[00:48:42] somebody asked Bruce Campbell you know have they ever talked about just doing one of these reboots

[00:48:48] where they just reboot the whole story and he's like uh no that's when you run out of ideas we got

[00:48:53] plenty of ideas oh good nice what I look at here Bruce yeah because like you said Chris one of

[00:49:02] the cool things about this movie is it's about something it's about family and so hopefully they

[00:49:07] can take the the necronomicon or whatever you want to call the book of the dead and plop it into

[00:49:12] another situation where it's something maybe about something slightly else or some other situation

[00:49:16] you know but just have the dead it's yeah like they did in this movie yeah yeah keep some keep

[00:49:23] something exactly keep things the same that should keep stay the same that we all love

[00:49:28] and just a slightly different context or a different theme or something then maybe a slightly

[00:49:31] different tone or whatever yeah right way to go yeah yeah good stuff waiting for the one where

[00:49:37] in the future I want to see the one future oh see I think the only way we're gonna get to see that

[00:49:42] as if they do the cartoon series yeah right yeah you can do all kinds of stuff right yeah

[00:49:47] ash teaming up with Jason and uh and Freddie you know the other guy Freddie yeah and the

[00:49:53] other guy oh man that would be cool everybody always forgets his name did we have any other points

[00:50:00] rich oh no I'm pretty good uh Chris yeah I mean I got a couple of nitpicks and stuff like that

[00:50:11] let me do my one more point then we'll get sure notes and stuff okay so I just it was interesting

[00:50:16] that it they had this whole intro scene and that out at the cabin and then and you think if

[00:50:24] you didn't know it was gonna be about a high rise you might think it was gonna be about these

[00:50:27] people you know yeah these teenagers or whatever 20 year olds um and but the whole movie takes

[00:50:35] place one day before this intro and um the first off I thought it was really interesting so they have

[00:50:43] this girl reading weathering heights and then the dead-ite girl starts reading it even though she's

[00:50:51] not anywhere near her and it sounds really creepy the intense horror of my nightmare came over me I tried

[00:50:56] to draw back my arm but the hand clung to it and the most melancholy voice sob let me in let me in

[00:51:02] so that's the blood ran down and soaked the bed clothes and I'm like that's weathering heights I never

[00:51:07] read that but I looked it up it's a nightmare that the character's having in the book but anyway

[00:51:13] so then it's one day earlier and one thing is when you're watching the movie you know the whole time

[00:51:21] if you bother to think about it that the demons are somehow gonna get to this lake so yeah right

[00:51:26] that makes it feel pretty hopeless but I also think the reason they did this maybe is because

[00:51:33] why open this way I mean is because they wanted to put some scares in early because it then takes

[00:51:42] like 25 minutes before they read the book and yeah bring forth the demons and so there's a lot of

[00:51:51] fake scares like when um her sister first knocks at the door and she opens the door and nobody's

[00:51:57] there and then her sister goes boo and she smacks me face then the earthquake there's they make it

[00:52:04] like it's something supernatural happening but it turns out it's just a regular earthquake

[00:52:08] and then the Jesus statue almost falls on Danny and then when he opens the book the cockroaches come out

[00:52:15] so there's some jump or whatever that is moth or whatever then then um Beth pretends something's

[00:52:20] happening in the bath uh and it turns out it's a little rubber rubber ducky so yeah they're trying to

[00:52:26] create little scares in there but I think if the movie hadn't opened with an actual like the girl

[00:52:32] twist the other girl's hair and her fingers and like pulls off her scalp oh my god

[00:52:39] like that I think it was good to start off with something really horrific like that you know but

[00:52:43] they had to make it somewhere else because the in the regular story the demons hadn't been invoked

[00:52:49] yet so yeah well and in the regular story we needed at least a little bit of introduction to these

[00:52:55] people so we got to know them yeah exactly yeah stuff right if we if they'd just been possessed

[00:53:00] immediately you would have been like why do we care I mean we probably still would have I mean

[00:53:04] give it that too they just get to it and like five dudes yeah for sure but I think the opening

[00:53:13] scene at the lake was was great uh everything was was the hair the scalping was super gross and

[00:53:20] and you know just made me queasy a little bit and then the girl in the bed was creepy and the way

[00:53:27] she fell off onto the floor and didn't look at her like all that was really well done and then as

[00:53:32] she kind of levitates out of the water was was awesome and even the evil dead rise on the sky

[00:53:37] title was so great such a great title screen so I one thing I love too that they really captured from

[00:53:44] the earlier evil dead movies is there's a lot of abrupt like I feel like Sam Remy you know he

[00:53:50] likes to fuck with his actors and he I think he kind of likes to fuck with the audience too and so

[00:53:54] they'll have like silence and then like even when Ellie is like doing eee meanie meanie my

[00:54:01] mow she's like he picking which one she's gonna mess with or something she goes eee meanie

[00:54:06] meanie miney like that you know or there'll just be a silence and then even at the end of the movie

[00:54:14] we see how it got to the beginning the girl from the beginning Jessica goes down to the garage

[00:54:21] talking to her friend about the weekend at the lake and then she sees all the carnage and blood

[00:54:27] and she starts screaming and then the demon cam comes and gets her and then there's just silence

[00:54:34] and then it's like what yeah you know you'll get rise yeah you imagine walking into a parking garage

[00:54:42] with situation like that oh my god oh Jesus yeah yeah I don't think I would make it to my car

[00:54:49] she still managed to drive to the lake too yeah yeah well yeah and they said they gave her some

[00:54:55] clonipin because she wasn't feeling well that's true maybe she just drove to her friend's house huh

[00:55:04] and they drove me yeah yeah yeah all right yeah let's get in some notes do you have any notes rich

[00:55:11] I know I'm all noted out sorry no that's right that's for whatever we want to talk about Chris

[00:55:16] I have a couple of nitpicks for sure I actually don't think you needed best to be pregnant

[00:55:25] I don't think that that little bit actually really went anywhere because I mean as we talked about

[00:55:31] it's a little bit about parenting and motherhood and stuff like that and of course that's a

[00:55:35] that's she's gonna have a baby but I don't think it went anywhere and I think her

[00:55:41] relationship with her niece was actually strong enough and sort of depicted her saving a

[00:55:48] kid being motherly and stuff like that so I don't know the pregnancy just didn't feel like it was

[00:55:54] necessary to me yeah I thought that too at first but then I was like you know going back to her being

[00:55:59] the irresponsible and showing up at her sister's place and saying you know hey look I screwed up

[00:56:03] again I need your help again kind of you know like it's like all right well you know

[00:56:08] yeah mom's gonna get pissed here and she did yeah I actually think yeah I just just came to me but

[00:56:14] I think it's actually really important and it's kind of the core of the movie because she gets there

[00:56:19] and she's kind of flaky and she got herself in trouble again as Rich just said and she's pregnant

[00:56:25] and she's doesn't seem happy about it and she doesn't seem to be comfortable with the idea of

[00:56:31] being a mom right and then this her sister who is a mom is possessed out of the picture so I think

[00:56:39] it was really important for at least one of those kids to survive just to give Beth the feeling that

[00:56:46] oh yeah I could be a mom and I'm gonna be in the mom yeah but I'm saying so now she came into the

[00:56:53] movie with this like character problem I'm flaky I'm gonna be a mom but I don't know what to do about

[00:56:59] it by the end of the movie she's grown as a character she realizes that's okay I'm gonna be a good

[00:57:04] mom yeah fair enough I think she steps into the mom role regardless though and and that's

[00:57:10] I think that what it's more meaningful for her character because she's because she's already

[00:57:14] worried about it you're saying yeah because she's gonna yeah fair enough hey it's all subjective

[00:57:20] and also that's the one kid that might turn out okay because the little girl who is doused

[00:57:25] in blood and watched her mom try to kill her it's not gonna turn out okay no you wouldn't think so

[00:57:30] and that that little actress she was coming yeah she was great but and coming out of that elevator like

[00:57:37] I rarely seen more blood on one person than that scene man when she said uh to Beth you know

[00:57:45] you you're gonna be a good mom and you know how to lie to kids yeah you know how

[00:57:50] like that but the way she delivered those lines she I thought she was so good and also when uh

[00:57:56] Beth gave her the gift at first what oh it was like a little wristband or whatever uh bracelet

[00:58:01] and the look on her face I just thought wow what a natural she's just really really good I

[00:58:06] thought she was the best of the three kids yeah all the acting was really good it was very solid

[00:58:12] knell for a horrors like it was really good that's right well the other one of their nitpick I had is

[00:58:17] I thought that um sitting down wearing noise cancelling headphones to listen to a bunch of vinyl

[00:58:23] records while they're like demons like running around the place that idea very poor moving idea

[00:58:30] seriously put those on you're like oh that that cannot possibly go bad that's great that's a great

[00:58:35] point Chris yeah I didn't think of that at the time but yeah really what what do you do for

[00:58:39] poor decisions what I see Ellie climbing through the vent on the top of a yeah that's like hmm

[00:58:45] like having them um they're creepy because they do when they're possessed you see normal people

[00:58:53] doing abnormal things and it's about what they say but also how they move like when yes the girls

[00:59:00] perched up on the counter facing the corner or especially when Ellie is in the bathroom uh like

[00:59:07] yeah perched it on the ceiling in the walls and screeching like a banshee yeah yeah this is

[00:59:13] so yeah very cool um but I like those scenes like I like the someone's distracted and something's

[00:59:20] happening in the background and even if it's not immediately dangerous it can be super creepy

[00:59:27] and very unnerving and unsettling so I'm fine with all that but like come on you gotta be more aware

[00:59:33] yeah it was a good setup it's funny yeah totally I'm gonna kick everybody out of this room and put

[00:59:38] on some headphones and not even set up my back to the wall you could say yeah she should have been

[00:59:43] more aware I mean she also closed the door so I presume she chose to put headphones on because

[00:59:51] just in case hearing these incantations would be harmful to the kids she just wanted to have it

[00:59:56] beyond herself you know right well I think that was the point of the headphones she didn't want to

[01:00:00] broadcast the the words out in case it called more demons you know fourth but anyways that was

[01:00:08] it necessary too because that's when we got the explanation of you can't really kill it well yeah

[01:00:14] what I'm wondering is okay I guess they recorded things on vinyl in the 20s so I don't know okay

[01:00:26] so I'm just gonna take that for granted but when you like have all your priest friends are

[01:00:32] possessed and you're telling people the only thing you could do is run do you have time to press

[01:00:38] that onto a vinyl yeah it was probably a pretty laborious process at the time so maybe not but

[01:00:45] I did go and look up when vinyl was invented and it was definitely decades before that yeah

[01:00:51] yeah the only other two notes I had is it was produced by Rob Tapper who's involved with all the

[01:01:00] evil dead properties and he's losing lawless husband yeah and in I mean Bruce Campbell's and

[01:01:09] executive producer too and then second I was trying to think where Ash is during this if it takes

[01:01:16] place in 2023 we know at the end of evil dead or ash received will dead which was in like the

[01:01:25] like 2017 or so he fought Kandar the destroyer and ended up unconscious and the nights of

[01:01:34] Sumeria put him in a casket and then he wakes up in the far post apocalyptic future with a hot

[01:01:41] android babe and a futuristicly modified delta so presumably he was like in hibernation in

[01:01:48] this casket during the casket somewhere underground huh something like that yeah speaking of the car

[01:01:54] it was it not in the film oh yeah that's right I was hoping to see the Delta 88 it wasn't there

[01:02:00] the station wagon was similar but different car I was a little disappointed yeah yeah there's an

[01:02:06] older osmobile yeah the same vein I believe but not the Delta 88 nope

[01:02:37] okay let's have some news so the director Lee Kronin was interviewed by cinema blend they said

[01:02:48] the vehicle isn't used in evil dead rise and my asked Kronin if he talked with Rami about using it

[01:02:54] he explained why he felt it wasn't a proper fit and Kronin says I just never felt that Ellie as a

[01:03:01] character was gonna be riding around in a 1970s oldsmobile delta so it just didn't quite fit the

[01:03:07] story but because my love for the franchise and wanting to join dots and connect things I kind of

[01:03:12] chose a car that was relevant to her as a mother this big you know a Buick Roadmaster but it has

[01:03:17] some of the same charm as the Delta in its own way the chainsaw which is typically been read

[01:03:22] is actually the color of the oldsmobile delta in this movie the exact shade got it color matched

[01:03:28] so if you go back and watch the chainsaw you'll see the color tonality of the Delta represented on

[01:03:32] screen so okay that's fine they should just have the Delta off in the parking lot you know

[01:03:39] that's what I was gonna say just park it somewhere another spot make a cameo yeah exactly yeah

[01:03:47] that same guy Lee Kronin was interviewed by variety they said do you have any ideas for sequels

[01:03:53] he said I certainly do I didn't want to bait it for sequels necessarily even though the ending could

[01:03:59] be interpreted that way but the ending for me was closing the loop back to the beginning the way

[01:04:04] the story is told I've got four places I'd like to look at in terms of where to go and I'm excited

[01:04:08] for the potential of what could be next and really hope that I can be evolved in future chapters

[01:04:13] so the four ideas he has the story behind the book of the dead we have history in this film and

[01:04:18] that's presented through the vinyl so there's this story to be told there it's not by accident

[01:04:25] maybe with the priests I guess he's talking about it with this particular book right two Beth takes

[01:04:30] her chainsaw on the road somebody that survives picks up the chainsaw at the end and where they might

[01:04:36] go yeah that was great that she started to walk off it came back and got the chainsaw adjusting

[01:04:40] right yeah uh the apartment building quote there's also the aftermath in this building and who encounters

[01:04:47] that and I've often thought what happens when the cleanup crew shows up and last back to the woods

[01:04:54] quote because of the opening in the closing there's that continuation of how this evil has a gate

[01:04:59] that brings us back into that force context which excites me because I love that I broke the mold

[01:05:05] but wouldn't it be fun if now if I went back to the cabin in the woods it could be a cool journey

[01:05:10] so which ones of those do you like the story of the book of the dead Beth takes the chainsaw on the

[01:05:16] road the apartment building or back to the woods gosh I mean I'll take any of them to be honest I would

[01:05:23] not want to be on the cleanup crew that comes to the apartment building because that's gross and

[01:05:27] there's a good chance you are going to be possessed probably but in terms of which one I'd want to see

[01:05:35] I don't know any Beth on the road with the chainsaw yeah that would be cool yeah I'd like to see

[01:05:42] you know it'd be cool to find out the the genesis of the book of the two but they'd have to do it in a way

[01:05:47] where you're not like back a thousand years ago well this is I think he's talking about back in

[01:05:52] the 20s you know because he said we have history in this film and that's presented through the vinyl

[01:05:58] so there's a story to be told there if so then they'd have to show Bruce Campbell because he was

[01:06:04] there well they go for it and then they say what was the inspiration between that disgusting cheese

[01:06:12] greater scene he says it was necessity it was the hunt for something different I wrote this movie

[01:06:20] right at the beginning of the covid pandemic so I was locked in my apartment writing the script on my

[01:06:24] bed with an evil force outside my door aka covid 19 being trapped in that space gave me a lot of

[01:06:30] time to look around at things I always wanted there to be a fight in a kitchen being Irish the

[01:06:35] kitchen is the heart of the home it's where people congregate I knew I wanted there to be this

[01:06:39] domestic showdown in that kitchen and thought about the different things that could be used in

[01:06:43] there it was just one of those moments where I thought I don't think I've seen anybody use a cheese

[01:06:47] greater before all right no kidding he said if there's one thing this movie shows us it's your

[01:06:55] house is a dangerous place man yeah yeah he said he has a cheese greater tattoo on his arm now

[01:07:02] she got it self by self west so the lily Sullivan who played Beth and Alyssa Sutherland who played

[01:07:12] we're interviewed by the New York Times he said lily what was it like to tread inside that blood

[01:07:18] elevator she says you get to genuinely act while the elevator is filling up and there's bleeding

[01:07:25] through the walls you're like it's actually happening you didn't have to extend your imagination too

[01:07:30] far but then you get to the fourth hour and you have to go to the bathroom and the resets are really

[01:07:36] intense but you want to get the shots it was kind of nightmare and I'm kind of claustrophobic but

[01:07:41] I love the adrenaline it was like being at horror summer camp having a great time

[01:07:46] huh I can see how that would be fun for five minutes and then be really really deep yeah

[01:07:53] they said a controversial scene in the original evil dead involves a female character being

[01:07:57] sexually assaulted by a possessed tree Alyssa your character experiencing something similar in this

[01:08:02] film but it's not depicted as sexual assault Alyssa Sutherland said I'm really happy that the

[01:08:07] possession scene was different again you pay respect to what's come before but we're in a different

[01:08:11] place in society back then that's where we were at you look at any movie from 40 years ago there are

[01:08:17] things that don't necessarily date so well I like that we've moved on that's true yeah good I agree with

[01:08:23] her 100% and then the best for last AV club talked with Bruce Campbell it's kind of a long one but

[01:08:32] I think he's always got good stuff to say they say we know you're retired from playing ash Williams

[01:08:38] and prefer producing evil dead films these days but as you watch the gore and mayhem unfold on screen with

[01:08:44] this new cast is there a part of you that misses it he says don't on your life this is a rear view mirror

[01:08:51] scenario it's time for the next generation because you need young supple people who can handle long

[01:08:57] horrible hours and excessive makeup and I'm done that box is so checked you can't even imagine

[01:09:03] so now as producer our job is to surround these new actors directors and writers with the best crew

[01:09:08] possible producer Rob Tapper took care of that in Auckland New Zealand and Lee Kronin had himself

[01:09:13] quite a good crew that we've used for 20 years so with all these guys we surrounded Lee with

[01:09:18] the best and he very much rose to the occasion I thought he did a good job I think this is a good

[01:09:22] movie that actually deserved a theatrical release because it was originally slated for streaming

[01:09:30] do we know where this was filmed was it was it in was it New Zealand New Zealand that's what he's

[01:09:36] seen to suggest here but I'm not sure I think both of the main actors were from that part of the

[01:09:43] world so I don't know if that means it was filmed yeah I have a feeling that might be a clue yeah

[01:09:48] I say during the scene where they play the old vinyl with the priest he mentions finding one of the

[01:09:52] three books of the dead even though Ash is not involved in these movies do you consider evil

[01:09:56] dead rise to be part of the same universe like this new film involves one particular book and Ash's

[01:10:02] events already happened with a completely different book he said it's all about the books now it

[01:10:07] has nothing to do with Ash or any particular character an army of darkness we saw three books so

[01:10:13] we know there are three out there and none of them are any good it's it's about where does that

[01:10:19] darn book wind up who gets it and what's happening but the universe is the same it's about innocent

[01:10:25] people with no special skills having to fight for their very lives and in this case it's a

[01:10:29] wayward sister and this young daughter so they're still a pressure cooker they get isolated the

[01:10:34] apartment is the cabin fact that it's a creepy old high rise in downtown LA is just cool you know I

[01:10:40] think lead to a good job of keeping the old in the new like the kid playing the records is a

[01:10:45] good variation of how you release these demons yeah and if you go in chronological order right evil dead

[01:10:53] too he gets rid of the evil by opening the vortex and putting it into the past right and he follows

[01:11:00] and then in as per vs evil dead he killed the candorian demon and so that quashed it right but

[01:11:07] now we're here today 2023 and the evil is out there yeah it's still floating around I know that's

[01:11:17] right around it's unhinged it's unleashed so they were talking about how it was going to be

[01:11:24] in streaming but then they showed it to test audiences and early on and they didn't respond

[01:11:32] so well but then when they finished they showed it again and the numbers jumped really high so they

[01:11:37] changed their mind and he's the AV club said I'm glad that happened this is one of those movies

[01:11:44] where you get to see it in a pack theater with a bunch of horror hands and Bruce Campbell said you

[01:11:49] really do because the horror genre is really good in the communal sense you look around and go man

[01:11:54] this movie's freaking me out but then we'll look at that guy over there and he's hiding under his jacket

[01:11:59] and so it's sort of safety in numbers and you ride the waves of reactions that was really fun

[01:12:04] watching it at south by southwest they were waiting for the first gnarly thing to happen and when

[01:12:08] it happened they had two reactions one was like oh and the follow-up was yeah because they were like

[01:12:13] oh good we're gonna get the good stuff yeah that's true that's funny yeah absolutely I was

[01:12:19] in the theater there was a couple of young kids watching it and they were just loud as hell they were

[01:12:23] just like laughing and like oh my god I was like okay so I guess it's all right to make some noises

[01:12:28] yeah they say they're gonna try to do them every two or three years rather than every 10 years

[01:12:36] and they asked evil dead rise like the 2013 remake is more in the vein of the original do you

[01:12:43] have a preference for the dark and serious tone of the original or the slapstick humor

[01:12:47] introduced an evil dead too he says well I'll take evil dead to any day of the week only because

[01:12:52] we had more money we were more sophisticated filmmakers and salmon I could dick around a little

[01:12:58] more with our roots which are comedy today is a pretty serious guy leach Ronin is pretty serious so

[01:13:04] we let them pick their tone because they both wrote the movies that they directed so they have a big

[01:13:08] hand in what happens and they chose this route that's the shade of horror really you can really go

[01:13:13] dark or you can go light and silly there's a few laughs in this but it's certainly not a yuck fest

[01:13:18] and then and last they said there's been talk of an animated evil dead project can you give us an

[01:13:24] update he said I would voice that if we did it my voice has not aged as much as I have but it's

[01:13:30] in development and there's nothing else to say I can't really talk about what it would encompass

[01:13:34] but there are new-ling ideas and we're having meetings and all that boring crap

[01:13:39] it's in the boring crap phase of development and I look forward to when it's not

[01:13:44] I was going to say Jason when you were mentioned test audiences I could see how this movie

[01:13:50] would do really poorly with a test audience because it's just general public and it's not the right

[01:13:56] people and then when it's shown at South by Southwest or somewhere else and you get sort of a better

[01:14:01] audience for it it's really well loved right so that's a thing about test audiences they're not

[01:14:08] necessarily always going to tell the whole story yeah right yeah how did how has the movie done

[01:14:14] is it done well I think so yeah I mean the biggest movie is what is it Lucy said it's it's been

[01:14:22] steady but it's not like a blockbuster yeah I read that it's it's done well you know for a horror

[01:14:29] movie yeah yeah 30 million or something I forget nice right now according to box office mojo

[01:14:36] it's 24.5 million for the weekend yeah and I think they were happy with that what's the top

[01:14:44] gross movie right now it's super mario with 60 yeah oh mario yeah that one's just killing it

[01:14:51] so dumb too but fun for the kids yeah kids love it all right let's move on to listener scream

[01:14:59] snarls and clicks click click um a zombie guy it's all the listeners doing their

[01:15:09] infected sounds that's cool all right should we get in some feedback sounds good

[01:15:16] Daphne backman says I think I'm one of the few people who didn't love the original films I

[01:15:22] thought they were too silly Daphne however I did like the remake and this one was a fun

[01:15:28] Saturday afternoon at the movies lots of gourd madness but a lot more on the horror side which is

[01:15:33] what I appreciate it was great to see a list of Sutherland as logged from Vikings as Ellie the mom

[01:15:39] I could see her as a Viking yeah I could too for sure all right Alma Contreras writes oof I just watched

[01:15:48] it last night and I was like this most of the time and there's a hands covering your face emoji

[01:15:54] um the movie was extremely bloody to say the least honestly it wasn't as scary as I thought it

[01:16:00] was going to be I found the trailer scarier lol me too yeah yeah the main thing that bothered me

[01:16:06] was how it ended obviously there's going to be a sequel because of how up in the air it ended

[01:16:12] I think that was a that was a joke that's not a bother yeah that's awesome yeah that's great

[01:16:18] Jamie Dimick says I got to see an early screening I fucking loved it it was a brilliant way to

[01:16:24] continue the series but not remake or reboot it the claustrophobia of the apartment made the movie feel

[01:16:30] even more intense it was scary and gory and sometimes funny exactly what I want from an evil dead

[01:16:35] movie there were obvious callback to the originals but it wasn't heavy handed can't wait to watch

[01:16:40] it again yep totally agree yeah Nick Archer hey Jason sometime ago I started doing a walking

[01:16:48] dead cast relic and somewhere in there it hit me I didn't watch ash versus evil dead I guess

[01:16:54] it didn't I guess it just didn't stick at the time so I jumped in and listened to the podcast you

[01:16:59] guys did while watching I can't believe it took me so long to watch it I love it so much and

[01:17:04] I'm still reeling from the morgue fight anyways I just wanted to drop in and say the podcast was

[01:17:10] an excellent companion the show was an easy 10 for 10 for me loving the last of us podcast hoping

[01:17:16] I'll be able to leave some feedback on a future episode that's it thanks again yeah for the podcast

[01:17:21] and the show recommendation it's a while back but I figured am I as well stick that in there

[01:17:28] pretty cool people still discovery I saw in our reviews on evil dead cast they stopped

[01:17:34] and then like three years later someone popped a review and hey I just found you guys it's great

[01:17:39] oh that's cool that's cool

[01:17:45] all right that is our show episode 520 thanks so much for listening to everybody hope you

[01:17:49] enjoyed that actually felt like some of the old gittiness from when we used to do the evil dead cast

[01:17:57] yeah well that's what's fun about covering these things you know you don't have to take it too

[01:18:02] seriously and you can just gush over at the whole time right right right it's entertainment I mean

[01:18:08] if we did take it too seriously it'd be a concern yeah I need some therapy next up it's going to be our

[01:18:19] last of us season one wrap-up crossover with Chris here in his co-host Jason over on the talking

[01:18:25] dead podcast I know some of you guys have been asking about that so it's coming up that's right

[01:18:31] and we are going to record that on a Sunday April 30th so there is not much time but feel free

[01:18:38] if you want to write in or leave a message you can find all that contact information at podcastica.com

[01:18:45] and again if you want to hear any of our previous evil dead coverage go to podcastica.com and check

[01:18:51] out evil dead cast do it also don't forget to go over to the talking dead podcast and check out

[01:18:58] what else Kristen Jason are doing you can find that by going to talking dead podcast.com what are

[01:19:02] you doing? Well we just put out an episode last week where we just kind of did a little bit of

[01:19:10] walking dead news and it's sort of a grab bag of a few things we've been watching lately not really

[01:19:17] walking dead related but after the crossover crossover we are going to be diving into fear

[01:19:23] the walking dead full steam coming back soon. Mine's a little bit less kind of yeah it's

[01:19:29] less easy I saw you had posted an episode what we're watching and I haven't had time to listen but

[01:19:36] I'm always curious about stuff like that and I'm tempted to ask you right now what it is but I won't

[01:19:41] because you want people to go listen to the episode. Go listen to it there's a show I talk about on

[01:19:45] there that I really really loved that I watch recently so yeah and I'd like to mention this

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