2021 TV and Movie Recap and 2022 Preview from TV Podcast Industries
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2021 TV and Movie Recap and 2022 Preview from TV Podcast Industries

We begin the year with our 2021 TV and movie recap, our annual look back at everything we’ve covered on TV Podcast Industries in the year. With 101 episodes released

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[00:00:00] Welcome to our 2021 recap and 2022 preview podcast from TV Podcast Industries.

[00:00:22] Welcome back fellow industrialists, we are going through everything that we've covered in 2021

[00:00:28] and talking about what's coming up in 2022 on TV podcast industries. This is our fourth annual

[00:00:35] version of this as far as I remember. This is the fourth time we've done our kind of recap

[00:00:38] and look forward for the rest of the year. So I'm glad you're joining us for this. I'm one

[00:00:43] of your hosts, Derek. Hello there fellow industrialists and of course a special mention to our fellow

[00:00:49] wheelies as we will be covering the Wheel of Time Tavern quiz in this and the winner

[00:00:57] of that pub quiz as well. Yes, welcome to the podcast. I am one of your hosts, John.

[00:01:04] How do you do fellow kids? I'm Chris. I'm trying to be cool and down with it as we go

[00:01:09] into 2022. Fellow kids, I thought you were going to go for fellow defenders Chris at least. Yes.

[00:01:15] No, but I'm hip, you know, I'm with it in it in a broth. Well, I really don't. I can't even come off

[00:01:23] with a cool London accent and get away with it. I was wondering what country that came from.

[00:01:32] But yes, welcome back. We will be talking about all of the shows that we covered this year

[00:01:35] in 2021 and the shows that we're going to be covering hopefully in 2022. Lots and lots of new TV coming

[00:01:40] up this year that hopefully we're going to be able to squeeze in and cover off this year. But

[00:01:46] this will be, let's say spoiler filled-ish. We're not probably going to spoil any major

[00:01:52] movements within shows that we've discussed, but we're going to talk about what we liked

[00:01:56] and didn't like overall about the shows that we talked about so far. But if you haven't

[00:02:01] watched some of the shows and want to remain spoiler free, you may want to skip through some

[00:02:05] of the sections that we're talking about, some of the shows that we've discussed.

[00:02:08] But we do hope that you subscribe to our podcast on TV podcast industries. You can get that by going

[00:02:13] to tvpodcastindustries.com. There's loads of ways to subscribe on there. We'd also love if you

[00:02:19] joined us over in our Facebook group at facebook.com slash groups slash TV podcast industries.

[00:02:23] You can follow us on Twitter as well at TV pod industries. But we do want to hear your

[00:02:27] thoughts about any of the shows that we're covering. You can email us with any of those

[00:02:31] thoughts to feedback at tvpodcastindustries.com. Let's get into talking about all the shows we

[00:02:36] covered in 2021. We did 101 podcasts last year throughout the full year just for comparison

[00:02:44] for some of our listeners. We did 81 podcasts in 2020 and 82 podcasts in 2019. So we've done

[00:02:51] another 20 podcasts on top of that. Wow. And boy is my mouth sore.

[00:02:57] Yeah, that's a couple of Disney plus TV shows really though with that extra 20.

[00:03:04] Well absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Probably exactly what it is. I've kind of categorized everything

[00:03:09] that we've covered last year into all those types of things we've covered. Which includes

[00:03:15] all the Marvel live action shows that we covered last year, all the animation

[00:03:19] shows that we covered last year, all the movies that we've covered and then any

[00:03:22] other live action shows that we covered last year. Yes, John in the background is

[00:03:25] calling me a geek inert for all of this. But it's the only way to talk about them really,

[00:03:30] to categorize them all together and give everybody a little bit of time. Well, we

[00:03:34] started off with the animated shows we covered last year. For the first time on tv podcast

[00:03:38] industries, we did cover some animated shows. And which color code is that one? Well,

[00:03:43] that's color coded to show you who the winner is of our polls done. Which are

[00:03:48] excellent. Our wonderful listeners can't see the color coding. So that doesn't help them at

[00:03:52] all. And what does the shading mean on this very complicated table? The shading is the

[00:04:03] categorization of the shows. I just mentioned the brackets a second ago if you were paying

[00:04:06] attention to the voice rather than the document. Now I understand the table. Anyway,

[00:04:11] let's start out with the animated shows. As I mentioned, we hadn't covered any animated

[00:04:15] shows on tv podcast industries before last year. We've covered some animated movies.

[00:04:19] We covered into the spider verse, I think was one of the big animated movies that we

[00:04:22] covered in the past. But last year, we covered three animated shows all in different universes,

[00:04:28] which is really interesting. We had Invincible, which is Robert Kirkman's ultra violent

[00:04:33] show on Amazon Prime, Prime Video. First season of that show also already green lit

[00:04:39] for two more seasons. We also covered Marvel Squad If, which was effectively we now know

[00:04:46] is part of the MCU but was done as an animated show. And we covered the first season of Star

[00:04:50] Wars, The Bad Batch, which was a kind of sequel to the Star Wars Clone Wars cartoons. So all

[00:04:57] various big fan bases and all various different shows in different universes. What did you guys

[00:05:03] like about those shows? Or why do you think we covered them? John, what did you think about

[00:05:07] the shows? Well, like I loved Invincible. I know I didn't do the podcast, but I really

[00:05:13] enjoyed the series. I haven't read the comics either, so I really enjoyed just getting into

[00:05:21] Invincible and the story that was done and you know, ultra violence and certainly in animated

[00:05:29] form I think is always pretty good. But for me, I think I really enjoyed What If. That was a

[00:05:39] surprise for me. I just really wasn't expecting too much from it. And now we see that it is

[00:05:46] potentially linked very closely with the MCU, certainly with the Strange Supreme character

[00:05:54] and from the series. So really, really enjoyed that. I love that episode. Yes, very dark,

[00:06:03] a little sort of hopeless, I guess, but I really enjoyed what they did with the Doctor Strange

[00:06:09] and for me then Bad Batch, I really love Star Wars. I've loved their animated shows from Clone Wars,

[00:06:18] the original Clone Wars, I guess the more recent version and you know,

[00:06:26] leading here with the Bad Batch as well just really, really enjoyed it. And it was just good

[00:06:34] you know, we've got a good number of people really engaged in all three of these animated shows,

[00:06:41] which is really good because it is kind of the first time we've done anything sizable on animation.

[00:06:48] So really, I really enjoyed all three. I mean, I enjoyed most of what we did here. If I was

[00:06:55] to pick one for me, I think it would be What If? I really liked how that played out. And it was good

[00:07:04] having the little link in with Podcastica as well for one of the episodes. Absolutely,

[00:07:09] Jason Kobassie from Podcastica joining us for one of the episodes. That was kind of fun

[00:07:13] having a fourth host for an episode that I didn't enjoy. So have a little extra balance

[00:07:20] on that one. How about yourself, Chris? What was your thought on the animated shows for

[00:07:23] this year? It was good. I always had some worries about us covering animated shows just based on the

[00:07:32] level of detail that you can get into. In sometimes a more younger skewing kind of animation typically

[00:07:41] out of anime kind of thing, can skew more younger so more simple kind of story lines,

[00:07:48] things like that. Typically, I know it jumps into the comments. I was totally going to jump in with

[00:07:54] then invincible punch you in the face. Exactly. Invincible for me was probably my favorite just

[00:08:01] because I have been a Kirkman fan for years and invincible fan for years. Actually finished my

[00:08:09] while we were going through the show. And then when the show finished, I continued on

[00:08:15] my reread of the Invincible series beginning to end. And it's that it's something and this is

[00:08:23] actually a consistent thing for me this year with a lot of our shows is stuff that I've read

[00:08:31] the original if you want to call it that and the a lot of these are adaptations. So why this

[00:08:38] invincible and so on so on. So seeing the differences and the changes that made

[00:08:46] kept things very fresh for me. I really enjoyed what if especially how much we know it is linked

[00:08:53] in to the MC as a whole. And I was surprisingly I was hesitant going into the bad batch having

[00:09:03] not watched Clone Wars have not kind of big Star Wars fan just not gone into that side of the

[00:09:09] house the rebels the the Clone Wars or the animated. So I was hesitant going in but

[00:09:17] seeing the detail that they have put in and some of the things that kind of

[00:09:23] and we made the joke in for lonely we trust. And it's true because there was things in

[00:09:29] there like we were seeing that the like something that only we would kind of find cool about how the

[00:09:36] I think it was how they moved over from the Republic credits to the Imperial credit system

[00:09:43] and the exchanges that they had and we were like wow that's a deep deep cut like that's

[00:09:49] something only so like some we would care about but it's seeing that there. So

[00:09:54] overall very happy we dipped our toe into it. Yeah. Interested to see where it goes in 2022

[00:10:02] knowing that we may only have potentially one or two additional animated pieces coming in 2022.

[00:10:09] Yeah that is the interesting thing isn't it because Invincible has been confirmed for

[00:10:13] two more seasons but animation does take a bit of time so it's likely we're not going to get

[00:10:17] a season two of Invincible within 2022 and then the bad batch also confirmed for a second

[00:10:22] season. I believe that that was confirmed way before but was only released to the public after

[00:10:27] after the show came out because it's a follow on from a really popular show I think they knew

[00:10:32] the property they had. So we may get a bad batch season two within within this year

[00:10:39] as opposed to Invincible but it is really interesting to do a good amount of shows

[00:10:42] was kind of kind of odd I'm a massive walking dead fan so I love Robert Kirkman I've read

[00:10:46] the first volume of Invincible so when Chris came up with the idea of doing the Invincible

[00:10:51] show I was kind of gone we don't really do animation and it's a lot of work there's a

[00:10:55] lot of shows going on at the same time but I'm so glad we did it because it is a really good show

[00:10:59] and a really good companion piece to our boys podcast in a year where we didn't have the boys

[00:11:04] TV it was nice to cover something as adult and violent even in an animated form. So we kind

[00:11:10] of keeping that keeping that mindset for the year that was pretty cool and then the bad batch

[00:11:14] myself and John had finished watching the entirety of the Clone Wars so it was only natural

[00:11:19] that we wanted to cover bad batch as a follow-up and I'm so glad it did tie in so well it brought

[00:11:23] in loads of characters from the years of watching the Clone Wars it felt like it was really well

[00:11:28] tied into that so that was kind of cool. Well and a few others as well. Yeah I was going to say

[00:11:31] we're not covering the live action Star Wars shows at the moment but Boba Fess is back

[00:11:36] at the moment in Fennec Shand is the secondary character in that show she's one of the

[00:11:40] main characters in that show and she had quite a good arc in the Bad Batch animated series so

[00:11:45] it was nice to have that tie in for a show that we're all really enjoying at the moment as well.

[00:11:50] Yeah no very much so and I know Soka started in the animated moved her way into the Mandalorian

[00:11:55] it now has her own show in the works. Coming in the future exactly. Coming in the future

[00:12:01] and on what if we know it has been a green list for season two. That's right. And apparently

[00:12:08] they're deep in the works we know that one episode from season one is now going to be in season

[00:12:13] two. Yeah the Gamora episode. So it is questionable when we get that it depends on how I would like

[00:12:24] to say this year coming in 2022 but it's a tough one. It really depends on how far they were

[00:12:31] in production. Yeah it's an interesting one we've been saying all the way throughout the season

[00:12:34] how disconnected each of the shows were and then they were all wrapped up into one overarching

[00:12:39] storyline they may wait for another position in the MCU to do that again where it makes

[00:12:43] sense so they may wait for a year gap and then come back with what if season two we just really

[00:12:47] don't know how Disney plus are going to be doing their shows in the future it's really

[00:12:52] hard to kind of guess how they're doing stuff and with their live action stuff

[00:12:57] it's kind of difficult to know when they're going to be filming this stuff to be coming back

[00:13:00] out in future. Speaking of which let's talk about the MCU live action shows we covered

[00:13:04] for last year because there were four major shows outside of what if and I would categorize

[00:13:08] what if as one of the MCU shows for last year but outside of that there were four big live

[00:13:13] action shows we started the year with Wandavision led into Falcon the Winter Soldier which became

[00:13:18] Captain America the Winter Soldier as we all know. At the end of that series we had Loki which is

[00:13:23] the only show to get a second season announced at the end of it left us on a big cliff

[00:13:27] hanger to move into a second season and then we've just finished Hawkeye at the end of the

[00:13:32] year closed out going from one holiday to another holiday starting on Thanksgiving and

[00:13:37] ending on Christmas week so some interesting shows this year all different I would say.

[00:13:44] Oh so definitely what do you think that definitely I mean I know when you put up the

[00:13:50] polls for me it was Wandavision and I really enjoyed this I think this from a TV point of

[00:13:58] view really just was very different I mean you know characters that we know the characters

[00:14:06] that we love introduce new characters certainly firmly in the MCU but I love the the changing

[00:14:14] up of the TV shows it was something different it it honored those types of TV shows but brought it

[00:14:21] into tell a story in a really fantastic way some great music coming out of this and of course

[00:14:30] leading into Multiverse of Madness at least and we already have the reference from the trailer

[00:14:37] for Multiverse of Madness having Westview in there and so I just really enjoyed this approach to

[00:14:46] the MCU live action on Disney plus I thought it was really bold and really different and I

[00:14:55] really really enjoyed it and I'm excited for Loki season two as well again that just

[00:15:05] really was in my wheelhouse I loved all the loci's and in particular Richard E. Grant

[00:15:12] and the classic Loki outfit I loved introducing the timeline branching and that element and

[00:15:20] certainly with and he will not be named or Kang as if we can call him that and he's a different

[00:15:28] version of was just having and his introduction was just superb yeah Hawkeye I really enjoyed

[00:15:38] getting into the festive spirit and much more lighter for me and but just that nice lightness

[00:15:45] of touch for the Christmas period and I think with Falcon and the Winter Soldier I think you know

[00:15:52] that was again also a bit of a gamble with the MCU really most explicitly covering those

[00:16:00] scenes around Black Lives Matter and that element of this transition for the Falcon

[00:16:09] to become Captain America and what that means I really enjoyed this though because

[00:16:18] yes I love magic I love the space side of Marvel and I also like the that kind of

[00:16:24] espionage shield I like that side of it as well and this very firmly roots or at least keeps

[00:16:32] that element of the MCU at least from what we got in that show within the this next phase

[00:16:42] yes it may involve and the the scrolls possibly but I do like that they're keeping

[00:16:48] something that is more earthbound as well because we are certainly moving away from

[00:16:56] planet earth quite a bit with some of the MCU properties which I love don't get me wrong

[00:17:02] but I also like it being grounded with these characters like the Winter Soldier like Falcon or

[00:17:09] Captain America or with Sharon Carter and all these different sides of things

[00:17:16] and but they could transition into sword in I guess they might be shield in space

[00:17:22] don't forget about about dancing Baron Zima this year as well

[00:17:26] well yeah well actually that was the great thing because for me he was probably my favorite

[00:17:33] bad guy ultimately from the those first 10 movies of the MCU I really enjoyed his story and having

[00:17:43] him involved in this series was just quality for me absolutely what did you think of the

[00:17:51] state of TV MCU this year Chris loved it it's the MCU I unapologetically love how they are doing this

[00:18:03] we've said for a long time a lot of these shows a lot of these characters deserve their own show

[00:18:09] and we got taste of that with say cloak and dagger more importantly shield agents of shield

[00:18:16] seven seasons of the potential of doing that and what could go into it and then not even touching

[00:18:23] the Netflix stuff yeah so seeing Hawkeye okay it is fan service but it's not fan service in that

[00:18:30] they are it's fan service in some of the the the mentions and the topics and the

[00:18:36] Easter eggs and things like that yeah but the themes being discussed are like transcend

[00:18:42] comic book movies or TV shows yeah I think that super aspect yeah I think you're right but certainly

[00:18:49] with Wanda vision and soldier those those two shows dealt with quite serious themes Loki

[00:18:56] not as not as serious it's setting up a second season as well so it probably didn't have to do

[00:19:00] as in-depth the storyline as we saw on the other two shows and Hawkeye felt a lot lighter

[00:19:05] but did have some great some great moments in it and really enjoyable moments in it overall

[00:19:10] do you have a favorite of the four that released after Chris

[00:19:13] difficult doesn't it it really is I loved Hawk my recency bias says Hawkeye right because it was so

[00:19:22] in a difficult year it was and a difficult ending of the year it was fun lighthearted easy to watch

[00:19:31] the truth gone to my head it's probably one division just based on

[00:19:40] the actual themes discussed and the topics and just some of the the end kind of last two episodes

[00:19:51] and I still remember Agatha just cotton hon knocking it out of the park in terms of so many aspects

[00:20:05] but yeah for me I think it is Wanda vision just when you go beat for beat kind of a comparison

[00:20:11] but again their apples aren't just bananas and kiwis they're very different animals yeah

[00:20:17] just great that we've had that many great episodes of the MCU I think I think the only thing I'd

[00:20:21] probably say is that that they're still finding their feet sometimes you know it was I was interested

[00:20:25] to see some of the critical reviews towards the end of the year where a lot of them were wondering how

[00:20:31] these worked as TV shows whether they worked well as TV shows yes they wear TV shows there

[00:20:36] were episodes released every single week but I'm not sure whether Marvel has got that balance

[00:20:39] yes on their on their TV because I was laughing everybody wants to get more of these characters

[00:20:45] and they're given more of the characters and the response was you could have done that in a movie

[00:20:49] why did you do this six episodes isn't about it but I think it allows you to spend more time with

[00:20:54] the characters that's why we cover so much TV on TV podcast industries we enjoy spending time and

[00:20:58] having stories about characters but they are crafting them into six episodes that can be watched

[00:21:04] back to back very often and we'll see I think that that's something that will develop in the

[00:21:09] future but I think I don't have any criticism overall of the MCU on TV this year it's been

[00:21:14] really good and nice to have those shackles off a bit which have been on when they were doing 22

[00:21:20] episode 22 episodes shows of TV when they were doing ABC shows like it was a shield where you can't

[00:21:27] overtly reference the MCU because you're doing so much content every single week that you may step

[00:21:33] on the toes of story that they want to tell in the future so nice to have those shackles off

[00:21:37] same with the Marvel Netflix shows and Cloak and Dagger all of those shows are hampered a

[00:21:42] little bit by not being able to step into the MCU whereas now it's interesting to see what they're

[00:21:48] doing with it as a company it's weird isn't it that we say they're not able to step into the MCU

[00:21:54] and that's the reason exactly what happened to it is it and because I find that intuitively

[00:22:00] speaking pretty bonkers to say that quite frankly okay but um you know that let's hope it's not

[00:22:09] this monolith of just the MCU's way of the universe it just can't be that so if that to me

[00:22:18] ultimately feels restrictive okay I got even though they're expanding it out it seems a bit ironic but

[00:22:25] it's it's like we we've said with a number of other shows here like for example The Wheel of Time

[00:22:30] which in and of itself have monolithic 15 books where you know are we going to go line by line

[00:22:36] or word by word as to what happens and in the end even the MCU is adapting comics it's a different

[00:22:45] medium and it's a even with TV as opposed to movies you know this is the different mediums they

[00:22:53] lend themselves to different ways of storytelling depending on how they're presented certainly

[00:22:59] with TV because you can chuck it all in at once as we've said or you can release it weekly or

[00:23:06] you could be on cable or you're having to deal with adverts and it all lends itself to

[00:23:12] very different ways of how you would construct and structure that that that program and how that comes

[00:23:19] across and even how that's received to some extent so but I think they've done a great job

[00:23:26] with the MCU live action I've really enjoyed the fall that we've covered yeah I think the

[00:23:31] only the only other thing that's been opened as a discussion this year by having these MCU live

[00:23:36] action is what's canon and what's not in this Marvel universe that's been created for the last 10 years

[00:23:42] and none more so than Hawkeye we'll talk about it here I'm sure you've all watched Hawkeye are

[00:23:46] wonderful fellow defenders so you know Kingpin appeared in there so not spoiling anything but

[00:23:52] how interesting is it that we have a character from the Netflix universe appearing

[00:23:56] in the shows Vincent and Offrey are very clear about the fact that this is his character

[00:24:00] he was snapped away for five years and now he wants to take his city back that's what his line

[00:24:03] was about so he's very clear that he's been told it's his character from the Netflix shows

[00:24:08] appearing in the MCU but it sparked all these discussions about whether the Netflix shows are

[00:24:14] canon anymore I think this is a really interesting idea that that fans of these of these universes

[00:24:21] have exactly to your point John it's not just one monolithic universe these are stories

[00:24:24] that are told with the characters all approved by Marvel when they came out so

[00:24:29] what is that what is that canon in your mind nobody's ever said it's not canon at all but as we've

[00:24:34] mentioned a couple of times and on the podcast Kevin Feige he's not going to send an eight-year-old

[00:24:38] to go and watch the Daredevil TV show so they can enjoy watching pizza dog on Hawkeye he's going

[00:24:44] to incorporate pieces of those characters into the show and you may never need to talk about

[00:24:48] the stories that they and experiences and things that went on in the Daredevil shows all

[00:24:52] the all those shows on Netflix were quite small in the universe none of them were talking about

[00:24:57] massive world-changing events that was the point of them so you may never need to talk about those

[00:25:01] shows again but it doesn't make them not canon yeah well except the one with the dragon and you

[00:25:07] know that defenders that ended off basically being a building in New York though it wasn't a

[00:25:12] world-changing event but there was the nine cities there was reference to that other world

[00:25:18] so I think I just think even though Kevin Feige might not want a nine-year-old to go and

[00:25:26] watch them more than likely if they're like me as a kid they will go and watch them so

[00:25:33] that's great and if they maybe have seen something that they shouldn't have done too early well then

[00:25:39] I guess I'll have to process what I mean by that is Kevin Feige is not going to come out and say

[00:25:43] these are no longer canon he's also not going to encourage an eight-year-old to say that you

[00:25:47] must watch those shows in order to watch this fluffy uh Christmas set show that happens to have

[00:25:53] a cute dog in it you must go and watch that three season show that's aimed at over 18s and adults

[00:26:00] um I don't think Kevin Feige would ever be coming out to say that so um so I don't think his silence

[00:26:04] on the topic as to whether it's canon or not says that it's not oh I agree it agrees I agree

[00:26:09] I very much think throughout this year we'll be playing the is it canon game well I don't want

[00:26:14] to play the is it canon yeah so but I think it's all canon but they are going to cherry pick

[00:26:23] what part of all is they think so in that sake I hate to say it

[00:26:31] agency shield is canon but mockingbird is not canon kingpin and other aspects could be canon

[00:26:41] but maybe uh Karen Page is not canon I'm not saying that that uh Devran Wall is not canon

[00:26:48] shouldn't be canon I'm just saying they will cherry pick I think what works for future MCU aspects and it

[00:26:55] will be then over the next five years they'll we will then get a greater picture of what of that

[00:27:04] those shows and those series are full canon and what are being kind of just let go because I don't

[00:27:12] think well the the only other aspect the only way they could do it is to do what Star Wars did

[00:27:17] which was everything became legends all the books and the things the past became legends

[00:27:26] unless it was these films and or these tv shows or basically everything else so the

[00:27:34] thron stuff originally the thron stuff the shadow of the empire all that became legends or

[00:27:41] basic stories yeah you say that's the only way they could do it but they could also do it

[00:27:45] the Marvel comics way which is every single comic that's ever been published by Marvel is canon

[00:27:50] and they've changed stories to adjust people's uh back backgrounds and when they when people get

[00:27:58] reborn or come back for the dead they change they do another story but every comic is basically

[00:28:02] canon nothing's been thrown out there that's the Marvel way so I'd suggest they're just going

[00:28:06] to ignore storylines where they don't want to drive people to go and find the episodes

[00:28:12] because they're not they're not going to incorporate those stories anymore in future but

[00:28:16] we've also created the multiverse this year so um so they can simply say that took place in another

[00:28:21] pocket of the universe if they want to and if they want to make any reference to it at all but

[00:28:25] it's it sparks some interest in discussion this year though yeah very much so but we also we

[00:28:31] didn't just cover tv shows from a Marvel perspective from an MCU perspective this year

[00:28:36] we had four additional films as well uh which has been fantastic we had and I'm gonna go my no

[00:28:44] personal order Spider-Man No way home Sanji Eternals on Black Widow um nothing that's my personal

[00:28:54] order but that's probably my top four it also has been sorted by the votes that we've received

[00:28:58] in from uh from our wonderful fellow developers and uh listeners so uh so that is the priority

[00:29:04] yeah it also goes by order too yeah Spider-Man No Way Home is the most recently released film and we

[00:29:10] kind of said it but it does feel um I can't remember whether we said it on our podcast about it but it

[00:29:14] does feel like it's the level of Avengers the excitement for us and having so many major

[00:29:19] characters all appearing in one movie at the same time so it's almost unfair to compare

[00:29:24] Spider-Man No Way Home against any of the MCU movies released this year it's almost a different

[00:29:29] type of film than we saw this year it's the first film in a long time since the big pandemic started

[00:29:35] to reach one billion in the box office oh yeah like and that's like years it's Sony's most popular

[00:29:43] and the highest grossing film of all time it is now it's brought back that Avengers

[00:29:51] end game and Infinity War level of kind of box office discussions and yeah wins

[00:30:00] and the rest didn't and now I'm even saying like Shang-Chi for me and Spider-Man will always win but if

[00:30:07] Shang-Chi was a close second in this one because of just how I was it came out of left of field

[00:30:19] I was not expecting the feels I was not expecting the action I was not expecting

[00:30:24] that just the level of detail and just it blew me away on all accounts yeah yeah and I like so like

[00:30:34] that should in a non-pandemic world that could have easily been another billion dollar film

[00:30:40] if it was as open and everything was the world was as open as when Spider-Man was kind of released

[00:30:48] yeah we even said ourselves is 25 MCU movies now 27 MCU movies and I think Shang-Chi was the 25th

[00:30:54] MCU movie and we've seen every single one of them opening night in the theater

[00:31:00] Shang-Chi unfortunately we couldn't get to the theater to see and it wasn't available

[00:31:03] on the home box office so it took us a few weeks to get to see it which is really unusual

[00:31:07] for us and we podcast about it so I'm sure there's a hell of a lot of Marvel fans that don't go out

[00:31:12] week one to go and watch these movies so I would say Shang-Chi had one of the biggest potential

[00:31:16] box offices of the year that unfortunately the pandemic did hit which is which is a shame but

[00:31:22] the good thing is it was a fantastic movie that people are going to get to experience at home

[00:31:26] and it is now available on Disney plus for anybody to watch now and it is a really exciting

[00:31:30] movie really really good and I'm so excited to see where those characters go in the future

[00:31:35] of the MCU because lots and lots of great little indications of where they may go in the future

[00:31:40] as well so that's going to be cool we know Shang-Chi 2 is coming from the same director and writer so

[00:31:46] that's already on the plan for a future movie which is really cool but yeah I know the excitement

[00:31:52] for Spider-Man No Way Home kind of steamroller overall all the other movies from last year

[00:31:57] didn't it? Yeah I mean if I just park Spider-Man No Way Home for a minute then for me

[00:32:03] Shang-Chi is my favorite Marvel movie it felt real world building in fact it felt like a next step

[00:32:11] from what we've gotten in the first three phases and this move I mean read a few Shang-Chi comics so

[00:32:22] and the character wasn't totally unknown but I love this movie and it's really was there for me

[00:32:33] and I think a bit like with the TV shows at the same time I really enjoyed Eternals it was a

[00:32:40] different way of them doing it and I think you know in the same way as when we got Ant-Man

[00:32:45] and it was going down that more comedic route you know and we had Guardians of the Galaxy bringing

[00:32:51] in the space route I think I think the Eternals was also actually really good it was a different

[00:32:58] vibe a different type of cinematic experience for Marvel and Fur Jews to them again Black Widow

[00:33:07] for me I enjoyed that movie it's given us a great character with Florence Pugh as Lena Blover

[00:33:16] and the Black Widow's sister really you know showing up in Hawkeye so just really really

[00:33:23] nice intertwining again I thought it was great to get this backstory even if it should have

[00:33:30] happened five six years sooner it was really good it really connected in to me with Civil War

[00:33:39] and the Winter Soldier type movies that we got here even though maybe the timeline was a little

[00:33:46] bit further along from that but I I love them. Do you guys think it's Black Widow is even

[00:33:52] better now after Hawkeye and seeing Yelena Blova in that show what do you think?

[00:34:00] I don't know whether it's changed I don't think it's necessarily changed my view of the movie

[00:34:08] I'm just really pleased that they've taken that awesome character from the movie and put it into

[00:34:16] the the TV world. It was nice to have it that close together as well wasn't it the appearances

[00:34:20] of both yeah definitely because I know that was my criticism you said that as well like

[00:34:25] I love Black Widow as a character I love what they did in the story but it's

[00:34:28] seven years too late it should have been done when the original negotiations were happening

[00:34:32] with Scarlett Johansson and that's where I'll probably watch that movie is what I said at the

[00:34:35] time when it came out is when I'm rewatching I'll kind of go right here's Civil War before we get

[00:34:40] into Infinity War I'll slot in Black Widow there because it makes lots of sense now

[00:34:45] at the end of the year after seeing Hawkeye with Yelena Blova in there it's nice to kind

[00:34:50] of look back on Black Widow then and go right now we'll see a full movie featuring that

[00:34:54] character so now I don't know exactly where I'm going to fit in whether it will be

[00:34:58] my rewatch of the series or whether it will be my rewatch of the movies.

[00:35:01] Yeah so I mean I really liked it and then if I unpark Spider-Man No Way Home then all I've

[00:35:06] got to say is just it's Spider-Man No Way Home I thought this was just phenomenally like

[00:35:15] it served fans it gave story it gave tears it gave sentimentality nostalgia having the three

[00:35:24] Spider-Men on the screen and I thought they really you know with the amazing Spider-Man

[00:35:31] I have a real soft spot for those movies and for Andrew Garfield and I just thought

[00:35:39] how he just shone in that movie was fantastic it has obviously the Doctor

[00:35:47] which I'm always going to be pleased to see and as well all the old characters Doc Ock

[00:35:54] and The Green Goblin all of those which was just again it just felt really really good

[00:36:02] and it gave a great trilogy for Spider-Man here and for Tom Holland's portrayal of

[00:36:10] Spider-Man as well and I you know fair choose to Tom Holland because he's a big star

[00:36:18] he's got this property of Spider-Man and he's done a phenomenal job with it but also I loved

[00:36:23] how he interacted with Andrew Garfield and Toby McGuire in in this movie it just felt so natural

[00:36:31] and it gave vibes of Miles Morales Spider-Man as well with this multiverse I think they really

[00:36:40] gave this lovely energy to the movie so which I think is something that Sony seems to have pulled

[00:36:51] out the bag here recently with their portrayal of Spider-Man whether that's the influence of

[00:36:57] having Marvel maybe I don't know but I don't think so I think the team that they've collected around

[00:37:05] that are have really they've made it epic and yet he still feels like he defends Queens you know

[00:37:17] and that is the essence of that character and it's great absolutely and I'm not gonna give all

[00:37:23] the praise to Marvel either but there was another Marvel movie released last year from Sony which was

[00:37:28] the Venom sequel it was okay and probably about the same level as the first one that's true no it is

[00:37:35] so I guess that's kind of Sony without Marvel I guess yeah yeah you're probably right it's not

[00:37:41] terrible genuinely I enjoyed the first Venom movie but I kind of the second one was fine

[00:37:46] and a little bit more of the of the same so that's Grant yeah Spider-Man now I'm really excited

[00:37:51] to watch that in the cinema as well that was that was a great experience being able to be there

[00:37:55] when people were getting their first reactions to seeing what was up on screen. Shang-Chi I

[00:38:00] loved it I've watched it a couple of times now since we saw it for the review and it's just

[00:38:05] as good each time it's those characters are great and the actors in those roles are really

[00:38:09] really good looking forward to Eternals it comes out on Disney Plus tomorrow as we record

[00:38:14] the 12th of January so be able to watch that at home and see it again I remember

[00:38:19] walking out of the theater at that one I walk out in the cinema at that one going

[00:38:22] oh it's okay and then over the course of the weekend and then when we recorded our podcast

[00:38:26] liking it more and more and more I thought about it which is something that's unusual for

[00:38:31] for me for Marvel movies I'm usually pretty it pretty clicks with me pretty quickly as

[00:38:38] it's the MCU I love it but I kind of like that they've created something that took me a

[00:38:41] little time to think about and enjoy the new ones so yeah I think that was that was a

[00:38:47] really good a really good year for movies that mentioned Black Widow already as well but

[00:38:50] I think it was a really good year for Marvel movies can especially considering we had an

[00:38:54] entire year without them in 2020 so coming back with all four of those was pretty fun to

[00:38:59] go and watch right yeah no huge for me the only one I think which is potentially

[00:39:06] in not as a huge Neil Gaiman fan the Eternals just I've looked back on it more

[00:39:18] and I'm just I'm not it's not as high so which I was shocked me the more I thought

[00:39:25] of looking back in 2021 I will I would have expected basically to be my number two

[00:39:33] like just based on the property of the characters my love of everything Eternals

[00:39:38] so seeing this where it is and how everything else kind of wrapped out I'm just it's

[00:39:43] I'm going to give it another watch tomorrow and hopefully there's layers and details that I missed

[00:39:50] that will just improve my viewing each time going forward or maybe again it's been a couple

[00:39:55] of months since you saw it so maybe it's just dissipating from your mind and I know when

[00:40:00] I know when you own the stuff at home or when it's available for streaming you kind of throw it on

[00:40:04] more often than not so so you probably get to see it if you get to see it when it comes out in

[00:40:08] Disney plus it might it might spark the memories that you had as well as when we were talking

[00:40:12] about it so yeah you know I said at the time and we all said this is that it's it's not a

[00:40:18] movie for everybody and it's interesting that Marvel would make something like that that

[00:40:22] it's not aimed at a mass audience they pulled it out of multiple countries because some of

[00:40:25] those countries were asking to change elements about the film and Marvel stuck to their guns

[00:40:28] and decided this is the film they want to erase to the world so that told me this is something

[00:40:33] that they did want to present to the world as a movie and they weren't looking for another

[00:40:37] billion dollar blockbuster and they've had a bunch of those and they are now willing to play money

[00:40:42] back into their studio and tell stories that they want to tell so I hope they stick with that as

[00:40:46] their as their future as a company because we know not every single movie coming out of any

[00:40:51] movie studio regardless has has ever done the same massive box box office numbers every single time so

[00:40:59] if they're going to be sustained as a storytelling studio they need to have multiple types of

[00:41:04] storytelling some things for small audiences some things for big audiences so yeah but they'll still

[00:41:09] be able to trade on the Marvel name for a very long time I'm sure I'm sure let's go into our

[00:41:13] final bracket of shows guys the other shows that we covered things don't that don't fit into

[00:41:17] Marvel or into our animation covered four other shows in 2021 we started at the year myself and

[00:41:24] John getting our beaks wet on Marvel let's say with the Marvel 616 documentary a fun series

[00:41:30] documentaries that's some mini episodes talking about those documentaries but understandably it's

[00:41:34] a documentary show on Disney plus so we know a lot of people weren't watching it but I think

[00:41:38] there was some fun things to talk about out there with her yeah I've got a soft spot for

[00:41:43] the Marvel 616 series in the sense that I don't think all of them kind of really grabbed me but there

[00:41:52] were I would say there was good decent three or four of them yeah that did and weirdly the one

[00:42:00] that I was least expecting to sort of grab me where it then they were taking Marvel into schools

[00:42:09] and for theaters I thought it was just lovely and in the end that was just probably my best one from

[00:42:15] there and then it was Japanese Spider-Man and it was also looking at the role of women in

[00:42:23] developing characters for Marvel and bringing in new characters so I really really enjoyed that

[00:42:30] so I have a real soft spot for the Marvel 616 and I think you can pick a mix on that so

[00:42:39] I definitely recommend people to check that out yeah absolutely yeah definitely say go check out

[00:42:45] Marvel 616 it's there are half-hour documentaries I think for the most part or 45 minutes so

[00:42:50] it's definitely worth checking that out we just we did cover three other drama shows

[00:42:55] throughout last year three three quite different shows uh Pennyworth was as a show from the creators

[00:43:01] of Gotham myself and John started out our podcasting career covering Gotham and we've continued to

[00:43:06] follow along with the show and into Pennyworth in season two another crazy show because

[00:43:11] we did expect that though with the creators of Gotham we expected it to go a bit crazier

[00:43:16] and crazier as the shows go on and yeah by the end of it we had a pretty super heroic

[00:43:23] character on board freezing people electrocuting people all around them as the season ended

[00:43:31] really interesting one for Pennyworth it's also on some of the smallest channels in the world so

[00:43:35] its audience is very is very small as we know from our podcast but it's moving to HBO Max this year

[00:43:42] or it's it's it's being released on HBO Max this year the first two seasons I think are

[00:43:46] available by the end of January and so it'll be really interesting to see the reaction is

[00:43:51] of people who haven't been able to watch the show this interesting alternate universe of DC's UK

[00:43:58] yeah I think we were the only podcast covering Pennyworth actually um if my memory serves me right

[00:44:07] so which is just yeah which is mad but it it really made for interesting engagement with

[00:44:13] members of the the cast and certainly yes main mainly because it was on small stations so

[00:44:23] really interesting it's got a season three um in in the bag so it just I mean it's mad to think

[00:44:30] that Pennyworth got season three for me yet why the last one didn't get a season two for example

[00:44:36] it's a real strange way how the tv or the decision making gods just do things and but nonetheless that

[00:44:46] is the case and I mean why the last man really really enjoyed uh as well I thought that just

[00:44:53] was like a fine wine getting finer and finer all the way through I love that evolution

[00:45:01] of that show across all the episodes of the first series and I really hope it gets picked up

[00:45:09] and then Wheel of Time was just a lovely epic smorgasbord of fantasy loveliness um you know

[00:45:21] magic dark lords dark ones in fact uh dark spawn dark friends dark chocolate you name it it was

[00:45:32] it was evil on one side heroic on the other slightly dodged with the ice to die you know can

[00:45:39] you can't you trust them like money well spent from amazon prime and from the showrunner but

[00:45:45] really yeah you galloped along with the heroes on on the back of their horses for that one and

[00:45:52] that I really love they just they nailed the the feel and the excitement that fantasy should have

[00:46:00] like you know it reminds you of the the the lord of the rings and the fellowship the way it was

[00:46:07] portrayed by piece of Jackson it has it has it's just a lot it has a lot to do as a series introducing

[00:46:15] a world but it was done really really well and I must say that would be my top pick and I cannot

[00:46:23] wait for season two excellent excellent what about you Chris I know Wheel of Time was your choice

[00:46:29] to add to the schedule for this year because you're a big fan of the books this is one that

[00:46:32] you've been pushing us towards but I know you're also a big fan of why the last man

[00:46:35] the comic books as well so um so that was one I think we were all agreed we were going to be

[00:46:39] covering for the year what did you think of the adaptations of those two for me wheel of time

[00:46:44] was the standard it had way more pitfalls potential pitfalls as an adaptation just in terms of the

[00:46:56] high fantasy elements and that the the a very wordy kind of narrative based let me

[00:47:07] describe the this cloak in the color of white in extreme detail for at least a page

[00:47:15] so the rave jokins did an amazing job adapting that type of kind of novel that being said

[00:47:25] why the last man what we got from that season and the the the ensemble

[00:47:34] they moved it from a kind of three-piece story where Yarrick is the main character in the comic

[00:47:40] books it is his story it is his journey they shifted the the camera back and actually took

[00:47:49] into account a lot more of the wider cast in the comic book and it made its 10 times better as an

[00:47:57] adaptation and like intrigued me to the level of when we heard it wasn't getting a season two

[00:48:05] now it's still pretend there's still potential who knows you may get picked up elsewhere

[00:48:10] but because it has not been officially killed killed killed I really hope it does because

[00:48:18] I want to see where it goes whereas with say Mark Miller's Jupiter ascending a storyline I am in

[00:48:29] love with from a comic book perspective because it is an epic two three graphic novel if you really

[00:48:34] want to go into it now with a fourth it is an amazing storyline that shows adaptation who we

[00:48:44] yeah yeah we dodged a bullet on that yeah we had it in our schedule we did receive the episodes for

[00:48:50] review and after watching four or five of them just couldn't think of enough to talk about

[00:48:54] as a podcast about it and it just it just and that's a choice we always make yeah that's a

[00:48:58] choice we always make and that we say we there's so much negativity out there on the podcast

[00:49:04] and the internet and all that we want to be the ones that dive in and talk the good about

[00:49:10] the show what was and when we all kind of sat down after the first kind of five six and went

[00:49:17] can you and I was like I'm the fire like probably pull in you guys and we're like no

[00:49:24] and then I was like yeah well that's not then what we do that is not a choice we make and like

[00:49:32] any one of these the wheel of time could have gone down that route

[00:49:35] many of the shows could have gone down there like

[00:49:39] like my god like there is always a chance at MCU show in the future we'll go down that road

[00:49:44] we've had two in the past that have gone down that road so yeah it's a no guarantee of quality

[00:49:51] but yes we would always look at something from the intention of the filmmakers and I think for

[00:49:54] when we watched you were ascending we were trying to work out was the intention just to

[00:49:58] get us to season two because it felt like they held most of the storyline until the last

[00:50:04] episode and then unloaded about half of us and kept us hoping that we're expecting to get us out

[00:50:09] of season two and nobody's guaranteed a season two of any show unless you do a good job of the first

[00:50:14] one so yeah we didn't really want to uh didn't want to watch a show that we had to complain about

[00:50:18] bits of every week so that's not fun for us or the audience but what about you from these

[00:50:23] other shows Derek that these final four I absolutely loved covering wheel of time with

[00:50:27] you guys it was really interesting being the being the person that knew pretty much nothing

[00:50:32] about the show going into the red leads of fantasy novels before and have seen some terrible adaptations

[00:50:38] of fantasy before in shows but wheel of time was just something that just I'd never crossed paths with

[00:50:43] so it was really interesting having Chris who's the the book reader who's read all 15 books and

[00:50:50] John who's read the first two and is on to the third book now and really enjoying the storyline

[00:50:54] was great to have that that was a new podcasting experience for me because I generally would

[00:50:58] overall kind of lead the podcast and put our notes together and stuff like that whereas for

[00:51:02] wheel of time very different for me to do that because I was literally looking at us as a tv show

[00:51:08] and trying to work out how what the tv show was trying to tell us was important about this universe

[00:51:12] so I thought it was great fun to cover that closing out the year with a with a big fantasy

[00:51:17] epic after doing so much other types of shows during the year I think it was great to do that

[00:51:22] yeah I really enjoyed wheel of time really excited to see what they come up with for

[00:51:26] for the second and third season and I think I will probably stay clear of the books for a

[00:51:31] while because I'm kind of enjoying that position on there on the podcast yeah it's good but why

[00:51:36] the last man was one that I was looking forward to for such a long time it's it's um I reread the

[00:51:40] book series before it came out um I'd heard so much about the production over the years and was

[00:51:45] really excited and hanging my hat uh on on this great show and then it came out and the show

[00:51:50] was great it was really good and got better as John said every single episode and then

[00:51:54] to be told it hadn't been given a renewal from Hulu for all of those reasons

[00:51:59] that Hulu won't renew shows um there's so many reasons it's changed ownership it's moved to

[00:52:06] moved to a different way of doing things so there are loads of reasons why it didn't get renewed

[00:52:12] for a for a season two at Hulu I'm really hoping that somebody would pick that up and

[00:52:16] I'm hoping people don't stop talking about why the last man it's a great show that

[00:52:20] shouldn't be lost uh to the winds of time I'd love to see it come back in some form in the

[00:52:25] future um or else we have our new answer for that question which show didn't

[00:52:30] uh should get more than one season it's not not just firefly now it's firefly and why the last man

[00:52:35] right yeah no that's true yeah exactly there you go um that's all the shows we covered uh

[00:52:40] throughout the course of 2021 we when we go through uh some of the results from our uh our

[00:52:45] facebook and twitter polls um on the shows that we covered so on our animated shows we

[00:52:50] mentioned Invisible, What If and Bad Batch um this was a really hard one battle over on twitter

[00:52:56] particularly uh Marvel's What If uh came out first with one vote in the difference um and Invincible

[00:53:02] and Bad Batch got the same number of votes over in twitter so that was quite interesting it's

[00:53:06] very very hard one battle so over on over on twitter it's uh Marvel's What If over on facebook

[00:53:11] a different story um we have with almost 48 percent of the vote Invincible coming in as

[00:53:16] the winner of our best animated show of 2021 yeah very interesting yeah that's very interesting yeah

[00:53:24] it's just fun to see the difference between the two uh between the two channels as well with

[00:53:28] uh with our Marvel TV shows interestingly uh the main show that came out on both um

[00:53:34] our facebook group and on on twitter was One Division um getting about 40 percent of the

[00:53:38] vote over on twitter and 35 percent of the vote over on facebook but on our facebook group

[00:53:44] Hawkeye and Loki were tied for position um as best tv show with exactly 28 percent of the vote

[00:53:50] for each of them which is quite interesting whereas over on twitter Loki was a more clear

[00:53:55] winner um than Hawkeye so uh so interesting i wonder if i wonder if the hashtags had

[00:54:00] something to play in that maybe maybe i was surprised by Falcon and the Winter Soldier

[00:54:07] being so low i really was yeah i think as as we mentioned you know all of these shows are

[00:54:12] MCU shows overall so it's quite difficult to parse them apart and when you have to choose just one

[00:54:17] of those four shows which was the choice that was available unfortunately well that was it wasn't it

[00:54:21] that was the issue yeah yeah it had to really dig deep as someone who normally picks three for my

[00:54:27] top one um yeah as we suddenly faced with an insurmountable problem yep sorry John and sorry

[00:54:35] everybody over at the over the facebook group and over on twitter but that's just how polls

[00:54:38] work i was trying to find it but yeah i guess if you're looking at that or the priority um yeah

[00:54:43] Falcon the Witch Soldier did come in as the lowest lowest votes for the shows but i think i think a

[00:54:48] lot of people enjoyed it anyway as a show and for the movies Spider-Man No Way Home a clear

[00:54:54] winner on both facebook and twitter and i think i think if i uh compared every single show and

[00:54:59] and movie that we did last year i think it's the one that's got the highest number of votes

[00:55:02] it certainly got some of the highest highest listenership for an episode of the podcast

[00:55:06] that we've done for the last year as well because i think everybody uh wanted to talk about it and

[00:55:09] everybody who'd seen it um if all their mates haven't seen it they want to listen to a podcast

[00:55:14] that's uh that's talking about it right so uh so they came and listened to ours which was

[00:55:17] really nice thank you very much for that um on the other MCU movies the non-sonic MCU

[00:55:22] will say how about that uh shanxi of the advent of the 10 rings uh did come in as

[00:55:27] as highest voted um from our from our listeners and and fellow defenders um eternals came

[00:55:33] in after that and black widow came in quite low there came in came in at the lowest point there but

[00:55:36] uh but i guess you know black widow as we mentioned is a story that we've known this character for

[00:55:42] such a long time eternals and shanxi both have uh both have people that love them because

[00:55:46] they're brand new characters in the universe so um i totally get that yeah no and again it

[00:55:51] it's interesting for me as well how like-minded high-minded i should say uh the the voting is

[00:56:02] in terms of even our own discussions internally uh as hosts it seems that kind of everyone's on

[00:56:09] a lot of the same track as us yeah in terms of how everything kind of netted out from a year of

[00:56:16] content that is 2021 yeah absolutely and the other shows that we covered um you know we choose

[00:56:22] these because there are for different audiences i wouldn't put you know i wouldn't say there's a

[00:56:26] huge amount of crossover between the wheel of time watchers and the pennyworth watchers for example

[00:56:30] uh or the why the last man watchers but uh but quite interesting the wheel of time

[00:56:34] um came out on top there of the other shows that we that we covered last year with uh

[00:56:37] with why the last man in second and i don't think that many people have seen pennyworths

[00:56:42] to be honest so i know i really don't think a bit of a gap in our podcasting or marvel 616

[00:56:47] or marvel 616 but i i do hope that when pennyworth comes out in hpl max that if you haven't had the

[00:56:52] chance to hack it out um you get to watch it and catch up on the adventures of off of pennyworth

[00:56:57] back in there back in the swinging dc 60s but it's also we have some very long-standing

[00:57:03] gothomites fellow gothomites um as well uh that have been with us there from the get go

[00:57:10] and when we were covering gothom absolutely moved with us with defenders picked that up and

[00:57:16] you know lots and lots of listeners that that um still recall the gothom days where it was

[00:57:25] karmicons and meeting up at karmicons and doing all that which of course is just like also the

[00:57:33] other great thing about doing these shows and linking in at the fan conventions and gotham

[00:57:41] is still one of the best tv shows that dc have ever done yep and you've got gothom central and

[00:57:46] the batman potentially coming both this year potentially who knows where gothom central

[00:57:53] will end up landing but i think that was probably what we thought gotham was going to

[00:58:00] be a very original yeah was waiting see yeah it's gonna be and you know when we're named went where

[00:58:06] we'll be back for that so there's a one for you absolutely uh right now i'm on tour uh played

[00:58:11] by um victoria kartena currently appearing on batwoman and has appeared on gothom as well

[00:58:16] uh played by the same actress which is cool i love that there's the connection there even though

[00:58:20] gothom is uh so superior to the uh to the cw shows um of course as we often mentioned back at

[00:58:27] the time that's it for everything that we've covered in 2021 i think it's time to take a trip to the pub

[00:58:31] and uh and the tavern i think you will find there yes that's true i even i wrote that incorrectly

[00:58:37] yes going off to the tavern to do our wheel of time pub quiz and choose the winner that we have

[00:58:42] for the wheel of time pub quiz there may be some spoilers if you haven't watched wheel of

[00:58:46] time in the questions for these episodes but since we're not doing a wrap up of wheel

[00:58:50] of time season one um we thought it would be good to actually award the the winner in this

[00:58:55] in this podcast right absolutely okay john let's take us through the first two questions

[00:59:00] yes fellow wheelies fellow quizzes fellow to virins and here the first two questions and

[00:59:07] answers from the wheel of time tavern quiz question one from episode one what does rand

[00:59:14] give to eggwayne that he has been carrying around with him all day it was of course

[00:59:20] a strawberry that's right i do like the fact that eggwayne said has that been in your pocket

[00:59:24] all day and not touching that heart and sweaty strawberries are not the thing to be eaten no

[00:59:31] and and for question two in the story told by marraine how many days did the army of minethrin

[00:59:40] hold out it was 13 days yes unlucky for some minethrin um by the sounds of it as their entire

[00:59:48] civilization was destroyed soon thereafter yes in episode three we had the question how many

[00:59:57] coppers does dana the serving girl charge rand and matt for their meal and their donation to the

[01:00:03] gleaman the answer was three coppers there we are and then in episode four what is the name

[01:00:11] of the dog that slept on marraine's bed when she was at the white tower and of course

[01:00:18] like all good dog names it was jenny not spot or patch or rover it was jenny telling you about

[01:00:28] jenny the dog by the time we get to season five that'll be massively important i'm sure

[01:00:33] i'm sure our question on episode five yeah jenny can channel the one source

[01:00:40] our question on episode five was what dish does parent not want to eat anymore as he travels with

[01:00:45] the sinkers he doesn't want to eat turnip curry turnip curry i think i'd be right with you parent

[01:00:52] for sure on that one i feel like we've done a really nice turnip soup with curry powder in it

[01:00:57] yes i think you could do it if you blend it a bit more kind of yes but this is where

[01:01:03] darik is confusing turnips with palsen oh that was right yeah that was nice thank you john um

[01:01:09] yes i don't want to know curry either our episode six question was what is the name of the town

[01:01:13] where leandron keeps her her secret relationship hidden it was north harbour yes what a dirty girl

[01:01:20] she's been on episode seven how many soldiers do we see rand's mother kill on the side of the

[01:01:29] dragon mount oh yeah she tries to give birth to her son the answer was a pale six but she was

[01:01:36] giving birth so we'll let her away with that as a maiden of the spear this was absolutely the best

[01:01:42] scene of the entire season that was it was pretty awesome absolutely amazing absolutely if you

[01:01:48] haven't had the chance there is a quick behind the scenes on youtube and x-ray and you know amazon

[01:01:55] prime video um that goes into the uh the actual shows you how they filmed that scene with the

[01:02:02] and they actually brought in a particular piece of camera machinery on a dolly that filmed at

[01:02:09] such high speed that if the stunt actors were off they would have been clocked so badly they

[01:02:18] would have got unconscious because it flipped so much so if they had a mr beat they would have been

[01:02:24] made unconscious very interesting to see yes definitely very cool and and finally our question

[01:02:31] eight what words does paddon feign used to access faldara it is the kingfisher flashes above the

[01:02:40] pond yes you dirty kingfisher you and flashing above the pond is the words that paddon feign uses to

[01:02:49] access faldara absolutely absolutely those are the eight questions and eight answers from our wheel of

[01:02:54] time tavern quiz for 2021 um we may have made these questions a little too hard yes we may have

[01:03:03] this is uh we do have only three of our fellow wheelies who've gotten top marks for uh for this

[01:03:10] tavern quiz yes who will be going into the draw for the goodies that we have which include the

[01:03:17] companion book to the wheel of time so you can learn all about your favorite characters

[01:03:25] and we will be asking you um whoever you are that wins um we will be asking you your t-shirt

[01:03:33] size as well as we will be getting official wheel of time t-shirt for you to to put on and to um

[01:03:43] maybe like a white cloak for example uh or one of the azure of the acedi and different colors

[01:03:51] okay don't be promising to you no i'm not promising too much but and we um we have three fellow

[01:03:57] wheelies who got top marks we have dr bob phillips james lawson and victor vondoon well done for uh

[01:04:06] getting all the answers right again as i say obviously quite difficult questions this time

[01:04:10] i have a feeling it may have been to do with the episode seven question with the the number

[01:04:16] of soldiers that ran some other uh saw off uh while she was giving birth might have been

[01:04:22] but remember if you do know the answers all the questions always send an entry to us to

[01:04:27] foodbucketvpodcastindustries.com and you could be in with the chance of getting some goodies

[01:04:30] about the show that we're doing our pub quiz a bit let's go on and see who's won this yes so it is

[01:04:36] over to chris who will shout blindly at his wall uh so that the electronic voice that just

[01:04:45] permeates everything um we'll be able to pick uh the winner yes hey google randomly pick a number

[01:04:55] between zero and three here's a random number two excellent stuff yes big big congratulations to

[01:05:06] james lawson uh who has been picked out of the electronic tombola by google's randomizer thank

[01:05:14] you so much for um your answers to the questions and congratulations on getting through to the

[01:05:21] the tombombola part and commiserations to um our fellow wheelies who weren't picked

[01:05:29] in this pub quiz but thanks so much for entering and to everyone that sent in their answers

[01:05:36] for the tavern quiz excellent congratulations james for your win there and we will have

[01:05:42] the results of our hawkeye pub quiz on our hawkeye wrap up episode which will be out after

[01:05:47] the hawkeye assembled episode um which is coming up on disney plus next wednesday the 18th of uh

[01:05:54] 19th of january um so that's when we'll be doing our hawkeye pub quiz but let's talk about some of

[01:05:59] the other shows we'll be covering in 2022 so let's talk about the shows we'll likely be covering

[01:06:03] from marvel next year i know chris had uh had in the dock he'd entered a garden of the galaxy

[01:06:08] christmas special which we are unlikely to be covering in our coverage for next year the show

[01:06:13] we will be covering because there's loads of shows coming out from marvel next year and

[01:06:17] loads of shows we do need to cover um we will be covering moon night miss marvel she hawk

[01:06:22] and secret invasion a secret invasion is the one that for as far as i'm aware we don't know has

[01:06:27] it been confirmed for this year but we know filming began on that last last summer um with

[01:06:32] nick fury taking a lead role uh in his own tv show finally i know as a nick fury fan that

[01:06:37] a nick fury tv show has been talked about since the early 90s um if anybody remembers uh

[01:06:42] david hassel half as nick fury that was the pilot for a nick fury tv show so so that's how

[01:06:48] long it's been talked about but this time it's going to be nick fury in the lead of secret

[01:06:51] invasion kind of cool to have uh sami bell jackson coming back yeah it's going to be an

[01:06:56] interesting one i think it will be because of the the level of filming that has taken place

[01:07:03] and some of the supposed if any of the leads are to believe the impact it will have on the

[01:07:11] wider slate of films and things like that absolutely because i know a lot of people have

[01:07:15] already been talking about it we've been talking about that we believe there's already

[01:07:18] been an impact in the background on some characters acting slightly differently um in some of the

[01:07:23] tv shows yeah i'm really looking forward to i mean i love this comic event when it came out

[01:07:28] uh really really enjoyed it so i can't wait to see what they do simple as that what hero do you

[01:07:35] trust and who's a a scroll in disguise yeah definitely definitely interesting one

[01:07:40] the one that was announced to come out in 2021 was miss marvel um fully filmed fully completed

[01:07:46] due to be out in 2021 but was moved um given the amount of content that marvel released last year

[01:07:51] that made lots of sense but do you guys think that means we're going to see her as the first

[01:07:55] show coming up this year since it was complete and was supposed to be out by the end of 2021

[01:07:59] no there was some reshoots done um supposedly to bring it closer in line to some of

[01:08:07] those things that are happening in the marvels which is miss mccaptain marvel 2 um which has uh

[01:08:14] monica rambo from one division miss marvel uh kamala khan from this show and captain marvel

[01:08:22] herself brie arson yes so that will have all of them in that film which comes out next year

[01:08:28] so apparently there was some reshoots i think that is the rq2 our kind of april may june because

[01:08:39] rumor has it uh and again rumors being rumors moon night is the show that opens 2022's mcu

[01:08:50] slate um i've been interested to see yeah both of these very very interested to see where they

[01:08:58] go with moon night we we know that uh some uh into the night a moon night podcast the moon night

[01:09:05] christ the moon night podcast and i know he is all over this along with all the other conchou

[01:09:11] kind of fanatics that are there so uh i'm interested to see both i could easily see it's

[01:09:20] one or the other one or the other is going to end up being the first film the first show

[01:09:25] well yes there's only three christ what there is one other christmas special that we you will not let us

[01:09:32] talk about no we'll talk about it it's one episode it's not a it's not a tv show though so uh it's

[01:09:36] it's kind of like a tv movie on disney plus um as far as i know so uh so that's the other

[01:09:41] thing that will be happening uh next year but as we say moon night miss marvel she hulk secret

[01:09:46] invasion are the likely shows that are even becoming out from marvel next year uh during

[01:09:51] the course of 2022 sorry um what do you think john what's what's coming up what ones are you excited

[01:09:56] about yeah i've said secret invasion uh already and miss marvel i'm really really actually excited

[01:10:04] for this i didn't think i was going to be um but in terms of learning more about the character

[01:10:09] i'm just i can't wait to see um this show and i i yeah i'm just really looking forward to

[01:10:17] and really intrigued moon night i'm i'm stoked that that's um that that's here um i just you know with

[01:10:26] with um podcasting and having rey involved with the defenders for so long and i know when

[01:10:33] dr strange happened for me like with nick fury with yourself um your grand christ spiderman's

[01:10:40] been around for ages and yes then you know absolutely stoked that that happened so i can

[01:10:45] only imagine uh the anticipation and excitement from uh into the night the moon night podcast

[01:10:56] and of course the fellow loonies um over the uh for the anticipation for this and i'm really

[01:11:02] excited to see um what uh what what they do with this character because inferno see has a lot

[01:11:09] of things going on but i really like with conchew and and all of this i guess almost

[01:11:16] given that we've just watched dexter his dark passenger and there's also his d id as well

[01:11:22] yeah so there's a lot of stuff to going on with this character of mark specter of moon night

[01:11:30] i'll be just really excited to see yeah what what they do with the with the character it's

[01:11:37] going to be really interesting because people that don't know the character will probably just

[01:11:39] think of him as a vigilante um so it'll be interesting to see how marvel handled that in

[01:11:43] the universe and how and how they're going to cast moon night as a as a character on tv because

[01:11:49] this year we've really dealt with a lot of major characters that everybody knew coming into

[01:11:53] all of the shows everybody that's there so these shows coming up this year moon night

[01:11:58] miss marvel and she hill particularly are all shows that feature characters that haven't appeared

[01:12:03] in the mcu before so it'll be really interesting to see how they deal with all of them

[01:12:06] she hulk is the one that's kind of that i'm kind of pushing out of my mind a little bit

[01:12:11] for for this year because it's apparently the nine episodes um half-hour comedy show

[01:12:16] and i just don't know what that looks like in marvel yet um i have more of a sense of what

[01:12:20] miss marvel's going to look like and more of a sense of what moon night looks like but she

[01:12:23] looks going to be quite different from what i understand from the descriptions of it but

[01:12:28] until we start seeing trailers for them i'll have i don't think i have a sense

[01:12:31] of of that show but everything that done in the mcu has always made me interested to

[01:12:35] give it a shot anyway so we'll see uh we'll see what that's gonna what's gonna happen this year

[01:12:38] yeah yeah she hulk for me is the hawker it's either it's going to end up being something

[01:12:43] that we absolutely love and just go oh my god how did we not guess this and this is fantastic

[01:12:50] or is this going to be something we really thoroughly enjoyed yeah it just it's it's

[01:12:54] one or the another again could could could be that weird case but i don't think so i kind of

[01:13:00] love the idea that that'll be the show where they introduce lots of characters crossing

[01:13:04] over because they're going in and out of a courtroom um i kind of like that idea where you

[01:13:07] where you could have loads of different people coming in and out of the show and it could be

[01:13:10] completely different every week that'd be cool and there is one other lawyer of well known

[01:13:17] repeat that is true potentially could come in who knows absolutely we could be seeing matt

[01:13:22] murdoch back on the on our tv screens that would be very cool be very cool uh one of the

[01:13:26] show that's on disney um which we kind of mentioned earlier on we mentioned the bad

[01:13:29] batch season one that we discussed that bad batch season two is in production no day confirmed but

[01:13:35] possibility that could also be coming out in 2022 as well yes yeah but that moves us into

[01:13:41] some of our other main shows that come from prime video which has been in my opinion kicking it out

[01:13:47] of the park not just even knocking out of the park kicking it out of the park this year um

[01:13:53] so in 2022 we have coming relatively soon um february uh picard season two yeah absolutely i'm really

[01:14:03] excited to see um how they're going to bring this character back in for season two season one

[01:14:09] we overall liked the season uh the season and there was it was a very different type of story

[01:14:14] than we've seen with picard in the past and this season is going to be really interesting

[01:14:18] film during covid but bringing back the q character from uh from star trek next generation and we

[01:14:23] awesome we all loved q when we watched next generation and his appearances on the subsequent

[01:14:27] show but it will be really interesting to see how they've how they've produced the second season

[01:14:32] of the show and confirmed for second and third season the third season is currently in production

[01:14:36] at the moment so um i've said it before to the guys all fair but i much prefer a second and third

[01:14:42] season of a show second third fourth season give me give me as much as possible of a group of

[01:14:46] characters that are going on with adventures because i think you can develop so much more

[01:14:51] when you get that a group of characters going into a second and third season and a lot of the

[01:14:54] stuff we covered in 2021 were first seasons of shows which is always a bit more difficult to get

[01:15:00] into groove of what the show is trying to do so so i'm really only seasons of shows for some

[01:15:05] of them and only exactly only season show for 2021 one but yeah it'll be interesting to see

[01:15:10] what uh what we have for star trek picard at the end of february i think but uh but no day

[01:15:14] just yes no and it's a weird one because it does have time travel

[01:15:19] according to the trailer um and that's a very interesting i i i the trailer didn't grab me

[01:15:26] really no the trailer didn't grab me q grabs me yeah i love the trailer didn't yeah but q

[01:15:32] wasn't in the trailer he is part of the trailer part of the trailer then let's say that the

[01:15:38] time travel aspect we have seen been done in star trek the motion picture and discovery as well

[01:15:44] to you're not a star trek show if you don't do time travel chris it's been a very single star

[01:15:48] trek tv show and movie i think not every movie okay let's say the the travel to the current past

[01:15:55] which is the current day when the film comes out that's the interesting part but i am very

[01:16:00] much here for it let's wait and see how it goes it might be the first star trek show to reference

[01:16:05] the pandemic which would be quite interesting oh my god always difficult when you film a show

[01:16:09] set in the future and miss out something like two and a half years of pandemics

[01:16:14] they may want to decide to reference that and start a star trek that would be really

[01:16:18] interesting and the boys are having a big year on prime video as well i think oh boy oh boy oh boy

[01:16:24] oh boy oh boy oh boys oh boys yes the boys season three hits our our faces with a big giant thing

[01:16:37] that sliders in through a door as we saw in season two um uh june third with three episodes

[01:16:43] yep continuing until then uh july 8th with the the final episode yeah and that's just see that's

[01:16:50] just the boys and we saw not a cliffhanger but we did see uh poor old wee hui go off to potentially

[01:16:58] work with a super villain yes um oh yeah so who knows yeah um the boys the boys had slid apart

[01:17:06] at the end of uh at the end of season two believing the mission was accomplished effectively so

[01:17:10] we saw a defenestrated villain um sort of also on a cliff edge um across Manhattan yeah telling

[01:17:19] everyone in the city below exactly uh what uh he thought of them yeah very true but we get

[01:17:26] two other boy shows this year supposedly we get the new uh college show um which is similar to

[01:17:36] teenage kicks apparently referencing the name teenage kicks but we're not quite sure which is

[01:17:41] the Xavier Academy X-Men Academy type one where it's going to be they are the superheroes in

[01:17:49] training in college coming up in the world um gonna be interesting um i don't know where this will be

[01:17:58] i don't know where it's gonna go to be honest but i'm kind of intrigued if they take the concept

[01:18:05] of the roughest secondary school possible and and put that put them in to that college

[01:18:16] yeah it could be i think that'd be really funny i think it would really feel

[01:18:21] um like the boys for sure so it's essentially Grange Hill no rougher than Grange Hill

[01:18:29] sorry that was a reference right here where UK listeners uh there you go um yeah that's

[01:18:35] me interested one i'm intrigued by this it's it's you know again from showrunner

[01:18:38] Kripke he's done such a good job moving over from supernatural to uh which was his biggest

[01:18:43] show beforehand moving over to the boys and creating a show that isn't just um exploding heads in your

[01:18:50] face every week which sometimes the comic could could feel like the boys comic and which can

[01:18:55] sometimes be just about how we can shock you this week with the storyline or with the artwork or

[01:19:00] or something like that but we've been saying for each of the series that we cover in the boys

[01:19:04] we've been kind of surprised at about how much heart he's been able to get from the characters

[01:19:09] sometimes the characters were quite illy defined in the comic books and he's created really good

[01:19:13] characters around them for the tv show but really interested to see what he does with season three

[01:19:18] and interesting if he if he's able to carry that on with brand new characters into a separate

[01:19:22] spin-off or some existing characters from from the boys and pulling them into this into this

[01:19:27] college spin-off i don't know i don't know how it's going to work but um but we'll

[01:19:32] certainly be checking it out and seeing and seeing what comes from it another spin-off as we mentioned

[01:19:37] as chris mentioned there's a third spin-off which is the diabolical animated show coming from

[01:19:42] the boys as well um so this is a bunch of of interesting creators who've been given the task to

[01:19:47] write episodes based in the universe of the boys and apparently just been told to tell

[01:19:53] whatever story they want to know reins on them at all so uh there could be some very

[01:19:57] interesting stuff coming out of that show yeah it's like star wars visions but in the boys

[01:20:03] it's gonna be we've know we've got Seth Rogen doing takes apparently like there's some other

[01:20:09] well-known stand-up comedians kind of jump lani i think is referenced it's either gonna

[01:20:15] be amazing or it's gonna be hit and miss each and every week um so i can i'm interested to see

[01:20:23] i trust they they've earned my trust in the first two seasons now so i'm interested to see

[01:20:27] where it goes absolutely absolutely the boys expanded universe yeah it'll be interesting to see

[01:20:34] you know definitely hope they pull it off to be honest and we also have um just two on on prime

[01:20:43] video and just to keep the fantasy side going there is of course the wheel of time season two

[01:20:48] following on from um this uh first season that we've just covered possibly in november

[01:20:56] 2022 where we will find or a journey with ran see where he he gets to what happens

[01:21:04] at faldara in the aftermath of the big battle and of course prime video really going fantasy

[01:21:11] honors because there is uh in september 2022 there is the middle earth tv show as well yeah

[01:21:19] looking at the world of jr talking and back in the early days yes yeah absolutely i've been

[01:21:29] seeing lots of artwork coming out this week calling it the lord of the rings tv show and

[01:21:34] it's it's not a remake of the three lord of the rings movies now this is set in a different time

[01:21:38] on middle earth but i know they have to make a connection between the two because some people

[01:21:42] may not make the connection i suppose so um so we don't have a name for the show as of yet i

[01:21:48] think it is just uh just middle earth um and season one due to start from friday the second of

[01:21:53] september 2022 so it's very likely we'll be going straight from middle earth tv show directly into

[01:21:59] the wheel of time so we are going to be fantasizing it right up uh towards the end we won't know

[01:22:04] where one starts in the other ends to be honest it'll be very interesting there's so much um

[01:22:10] that these two um sort of massive properties have have in common to some extent but have

[01:22:19] you know uh have it in different ways and with different evolutions certainly with then wheel

[01:22:25] of time being um later shall we say yeah and if you thought we were messing up the names on

[01:22:32] season one of wheel of time wait till we get middle earth going on and leading into wheel of

[01:22:37] time it's gonna be it's gonna be fun well absolutely i mean the interesting thing as well

[01:22:42] you know we were talking about the adaptation on wheel of time but for me you know peter jackson's

[01:22:48] adaptation of the lord of the rings books was so good and you know we were talking recently myself

[01:22:55] and derrick just how you know the the character of say tom bombadil in the lord of the rings

[01:23:02] trilogy takes up so much of the the books as you know there's large amounts and on in in the books

[01:23:08] but isn't in the movies so i think it'll be interesting to see the adaptation uh of lord

[01:23:15] of the rings and for sure because i really enjoy fantasy i i found lord of the rings as books

[01:23:22] really uh a struggle for me even though i in the end i love them but i i remember even just

[01:23:29] i was i was damaged as a child dare i say it and because i went from the hobbit which i loved

[01:23:37] straight into um the the fellowship of the ring and i was just like okay this isn't like the

[01:23:44] hobbit yeah and and uh it was quite young i had just made me put them away for such a long time

[01:23:53] to be honest right now is the one i'm most unsure about and which i'm going to enjoy

[01:24:01] i enjoyed the lord of the rings it would not be one of my top series or kind of franchises

[01:24:10] because it is so epic and i very similar to mr harrison i read it as a child and i read the

[01:24:20] hobbit as a child and every now and again i was just like oh i forgot who this person is and let me go

[01:24:27] check this dream index now saying this as someone who who's read all 15 books like i know it is

[01:24:36] probably to do with timing and age and things like just never it did not grab me as much as

[01:24:41] say the wheel of time would grab me um and again that could be the old emo kid in me i'm not going

[01:24:47] to read the same thing everyone else reads i'm going to read my own version yeah which is the

[01:24:52] wheel of time um which has now become exactly exactly uh the wheel this is the wheel wheels absolutely

[01:25:01] absolutely but but i'm a huge fan of lord of the rings i'm really excited to see

[01:25:05] what they do in the tv show i know there's going to be lots of comparisons with peter

[01:25:08] jackson's movies um i know they filmed the first season over in over in new zealand they used

[01:25:13] they tried to use a lot of similar things to evoke what peter jackson was doing but it's not

[01:25:19] peter jackson and it is a tv show so things like excluding tom bombadil a major character within

[01:25:24] the lord of the rings for time which is what peter jackson had to do it means they may not have

[01:25:29] to do that um the lord of the rings is a winding epic story but it is not about battles it's

[01:25:35] not about getting to the battle which is what the movies were about it was for a movie audience

[01:25:39] so it will be quite different so it'll be interesting to see how much of the style of

[01:25:43] tulkins writing they'll be taking as opposed to the style of doing a fantasy epic tv show yeah so

[01:25:49] that that's one of the things i'm most interested about and and that's the only thing that will

[01:25:53] concern me about it because it is going to be different than the wheel of time um it it

[01:25:59] will look different but after seeing the wheel of time i know the prime video can do epic

[01:26:04] fantasy as well so uh so right now i'm really up on this i'm really looking forward to seeing

[01:26:09] what what what comes from the middle earth tv show speaking of things i'm looking forward to

[01:26:13] and speaking of things that are coming up that are really exciting the second season of good

[01:26:17] omens from neil gayman and terry pratchas is coming this year i cannot wait so excited for

[01:26:25] this loved season one absolutely based on the book um this is not in that sense

[01:26:32] yeah it's not based on a book but based on a treatment that terry pratchas and neil gayman

[01:26:36] put together back back when they were doing good omens about what could happen with the characters

[01:26:40] of azirafail and crowley um if they continued on together after that story ended so that's quite

[01:26:46] interesting i love when uh when neil gayman was getting criticism for not being based on a book

[01:26:51] and he was going well the original book wasn't based on a book either so i thought that was good

[01:26:56] the book didn't exist before i wrote it so um that makes sense so i really

[01:27:00] adreed it's great to see that cast back together again i think uh i think michael schien and david

[01:27:04] talent are so good on screen pretty much everything they've done but i do think good omens is probably

[01:27:09] the epitome of what the two of them have done together for me i think it's it has worked so

[01:27:13] well and you see them on everything on panel shows you see them on uh doing their own tv show

[01:27:17] stage comedy show they've appeared together so many times over the years now but good omens

[01:27:22] was such a great first experience of the two of them together and i'm really glad that

[01:27:27] they're coming back for season two i'm so excited um for good omen season two which is

[01:27:33] filming now but it's probably more than likely gonna be in 2023 but you never know uh how it

[01:27:40] goes so um yeah michael schien and david tenon are just sublime together in the first season

[01:27:50] it's funny it's witty and so i really can't wait for it you know the singing nuns or the chattering

[01:27:59] order of st barrell were just um so so good as they sort of nursed the um the devil born into

[01:28:11] the world in in the first season of good omen so i really hope that flavor is taken through

[01:28:18] and to be honest a little baby antichrist with his lovely tozy wozies yes exactly but speaking of

[01:28:26] neil gayman this year more than likely we are also getting over on neflix the epic speaking of epics

[01:28:35] saman yeah this is something that i'd never thought was going to be filmable no probably the most

[01:28:42] one of the most talked about comic book series of all time san man is is one that lots of

[01:28:46] comic fans give to other people if they think they don't like superhero comics check out san man um

[01:28:52] it's it's something to to read it's something to share with other people um i'm shocked it's coming

[01:28:59] after listening to the the first two acts of the audio plays i can see i can envision it in my head

[01:29:04] how it can be adapted so i'm really hopeful for this neil gayman's heavily involved saying all

[01:29:10] the right things about the people involved at netflix and what they're doing with the treatment

[01:29:13] of san man um this is confirmed for 2022 right now um it's being called the year of the year of

[01:29:19] san man by all the fans and neil gayman's retweeting that constantly so it has been confirmed for 2022

[01:29:24] uh that we've seen a little bit of footage of it as well from from an early trailer back in

[01:29:28] october of last year but it's going to be really interesting unfortunately my pet peeve

[01:29:34] unfortunately it's on netflix so it's all dropping in a day um for such a big epic show i wanted

[01:29:39] to have that thing that we have where you can pour over it every week like we have with wheel of time

[01:29:43] um but we won't be able to do that with that with with san man we will uh we will of course discuss

[01:29:48] with the podcast and pick it apart of course as we always do but um it's a bit of a shame that

[01:29:52] it's all coming out one day over there but we will still be covering it weekly definitely yeah well

[01:29:56] yes but speaking of another show again we're talking about shows coming into getting their finding

[01:30:02] their feet in their second and third seasons um this year as well uh we see the return

[01:30:09] to the umbrella excuse me the spiral academy yes uh yes season three of umbrella academy

[01:30:15] is confirmed for this year for 2022 um if filming has finished it's in post production um they are

[01:30:23] now teasing the uh the main accounts are teasing the spiral academy and the the characters we

[01:30:28] meet um and yeah it's uh it's ju we don't know when it's ju but it is ju yeah and this is this

[01:30:36] is likely to come in the first half of the year i think the teasing has just started at the start

[01:30:41] of january i think it's likely to come in the first half of the year but it's it's been a really

[01:30:44] weird year for tv i think when we've done this wrap up and look forward on on on tv in the past

[01:30:49] we've had a lot more dates at the start of the year for shows coming up but it seems like

[01:30:53] nobody wants to release their schedule for the year just in case anything happens with their

[01:30:57] post production or with uh or with the final filming that they've got going on so uh so it

[01:31:01] will be interesting but yes umbrella academy season two particularly was a big surprise for us a really

[01:31:06] really good uh second season of that show um after the first season had some really good

[01:31:11] characters in it second season was a really good show overall so i'm excited for season three

[01:31:16] oh me me too definitely um i i can't wait for this duraz air slightly more um up for this

[01:31:24] than the boys season three i i'm really i loved season two i love season one as well

[01:31:32] those characters in here that i simply adore and i think i've been doing so much better than

[01:31:40] the comics and sorry don't shoot me but i just love um i i love these these characters

[01:31:50] yeah no no no completely agree i really can't wait for this i think it's going to be

[01:31:56] if rumors are to be believed in the story they are adapting then it is going to be a very

[01:32:03] pretty good show excellent excellent and i know we mentioned on the podcast that

[01:32:07] brother kattamedy get through all of the comic books and i'd agree with john that the show

[01:32:11] does such a better job with those characters overall so i can't even remember is there

[01:32:15] a great storyline they haven't touched on uh on the show so far because i don't think got to

[01:32:19] a great storyline um but i'm really excited to see uh whether uh they'll burn one up again on

[01:32:26] season that season three of umbrella academy excellent stuff we mentioned already on either

[01:32:30] show that we have that we're covering next year um we haven't mentioned so far uh penny worth

[01:32:34] season three coming out in hbo later this year after the first two seasons are made available

[01:32:38] we'll be going back for that sure why not it's always fun to talk to talk about alford

[01:32:42] pennyworth in the dc universe speaking of the dc universe we will also be covering

[01:32:47] some movies next year one massive one that's coming out the batman coming on march fourth

[01:32:52] really really interested to see what matweave is going to be bringing this universe of the batman

[01:32:58] yeah i'm interested to see we talked about not a lot of dates uh so far on the tv shows

[01:33:05] the film schedule is the one i'm very interested to see how that

[01:33:11] saying now the dates that we have versus how that actually fleshes out towards the end of the year

[01:33:17] obviously the world being the world we currently live in we have already seen morbius slip uh it's

[01:33:25] a scheduled date uh into later in the year so it's going to be interesting to see will batman

[01:33:31] the batman which one is very i'm very interested to see will that actually land in march yeah um

[01:33:38] yeah it's going to be an interesting one yeah i hope so and i think you mentioned as well

[01:33:42] earlier on chris but i was gonna just save it for this little bit of discussion interestingly

[01:33:46] this is the first movie in the dc universe that is getting a tie-in tv show off the back

[01:33:51] of it as well the um goth of central coming on the back of it with most of the major cast

[01:33:56] from the batman going to make appearances in that show which will be uh very interesting to

[01:34:00] see so it's the first time that that dc have really done this tying in a tv show to their movies

[01:34:05] kind of following the marvel model right um so it'll be interesting to see technically uh we have

[01:34:11] peacemaker coming out on january 17th very true thanks chris is a tie-in to the suicide squad

[01:34:19] that's correct sorry i i'm completely incorrect chris is totally right peacemaker is the first

[01:34:24] show that ties in but uh yeah the the uh the batman being notable for the fact that

[01:34:29] it has got that connection to gothams central as well and i guess we'll be covering gothams

[01:34:33] central absolutely we're going back to gotham anytime you want to bring us back to gotham

[01:34:37] will be there excellent next big mcu movie coming for the year um been moved once already hopefully

[01:34:43] it'll stay where it is but uh john finally everything leads to dr strange in the multiverse of madness

[01:34:49] yes mom in in other words yes it mother has landed um i yeah like i've said it a million times

[01:34:58] in multiple uh multiverses um which is quite a lot actually multiple multiverses and

[01:35:05] then yeah can't wait for this the one thing i have theory i've i've learned very recently

[01:35:13] is that on the the current teaser there is a dr strange with a ponytail and of course

[01:35:21] because it's been delayed and the action figures haven't been delayed it uh there's there isn't

[01:35:28] another a third dr strange from the teaser trailer with his ponytail which certainly

[01:35:36] will be great for the defenders podcast uh for sure yes yes it will if rumors are too believed

[01:35:44] if rumors are to be believed it was interesting when john pointed to safety the day that this

[01:35:48] is uh that this is the room that's going around i thought it was interesting that the poster that

[01:35:51] marvel have literally just released for the multiverse of madness has three dr strange on

[01:35:56] the poster with two scarlet witches so i thought that was quite interesting whether they're

[01:36:00] just playing into that in a little sly way as well was uh it was quite fun but really excited to

[01:36:04] see dr strange the multiverse madness kicking off directly after um the events of spider man

[01:36:09] no way home as well like it ties directly into that which is quite interesting and to have

[01:36:13] story continued in there two other movies coming out this year in the mcu that i actually forgot

[01:36:19] were coming out this year um for some reason i thought black panther 2 will kind of forever was

[01:36:25] in production but it was in for in production for a much later date sometime in 2023 but

[01:36:30] that's aiming to come out on november 11th 2022 now production did stop recently with the

[01:36:34] titular right um having an injury reportedly um so we don't know whether the production has

[01:36:41] resumed um as such they were filming around her and filming scenes that didn't contain her

[01:36:46] um for a while but that seems to have been going on for a bit longer than they expected so

[01:36:50] i hope they can make that date this year because i am excited to see that universe of what conda

[01:36:55] continued definitely yes and there's so much dependant on that because we will have a show

[01:36:59] based on the door melasia coming to disney plus in the future as well that's already

[01:37:03] been announced so a lot of dependency on having that universe coming back into the world of the mcu

[01:37:08] prior to that show starting on disney plus as well so one of those wonderful mcu things

[01:37:14] of having to get so many ducks in a row yeah so much production going on definitely um i'm really

[01:37:19] looking forward to seeing black panther 2 um for sure and also then there is the the movie that you

[01:37:27] cannot wait for derrick which is thought love and thunder i skipped twice and forgot to put it

[01:37:34] on the document when uh when i was putting together the list of all the things we're covering

[01:37:38] and then realized that's also it this year yeah july 8 2022 yeah i think i'm looking forward to

[01:37:45] potential being one of a really good one yeah um i it has valkyrie it has jane foster is

[01:37:53] returning yeah bortman as jane foster is returning um you have the gardens of the galaxies

[01:37:59] exactly are going to be in this effort and probably at least at the beginning you have christian

[01:38:04] bale as potentially the god killer um it's the main villain yeah um which christian bale as

[01:38:15] exactly always going to be a good it has huge potential um it's to be questioning about

[01:38:22] what level of comedy they go for in this where um the mighty thore which was jane's fosters character

[01:38:32] there is going to be a question of so she became thore in the comic books um for because she had

[01:38:41] cancer so i am wondering if they're going to continue that storyline because that is a very

[01:38:45] it's a very dark storyline to parts of it absolutely very interesting if taekawa

[01:38:50] titi puts any kind of storyline to it at all um oh it's already started ladies and gentlemen

[01:38:59] yeah derrick is on fire with his burns today you know it's fascinating i do love taekawa titi

[01:39:04] and a lot of the movies that he's done i just know that this one will have more influence from

[01:39:08] than the last movie did and i'm just not that massively excited for uh for thore love and

[01:39:12] thunder of course you're gonna watch it and we'll talk about it when we get to podcast

[01:39:15] about it but one that i know we're all excited about and i'm definitely looking forward to

[01:39:19] this one another spider man movies coming next year spider man across the spider verse part one

[01:39:24] has been announced for october 7th 2022 we all loved into the spider verse i know um we still

[01:39:30] probably put it up there as one of the best spider man movies um one of the best comic book

[01:39:34] movies of all time yeah maybe maybe one of the best comic book movies as well um and i know

[01:39:39] you guys were still kind of battling about whether that's no way home now and into the

[01:39:43] spider verse um recency bias and how great no way home is uh of course um kind of edging it

[01:39:49] up there as well but but into the spider verse was a fantastic um version of the spider man still

[01:39:54] my favorite yeah it's going to be huge and ask you isaac who had a cameo at the end of the

[01:40:01] into the spider verse now here um basically full on uh in this up in the show as spider

[01:40:08] man 2099 yeah yes um mcgallow harrah um so it's going to be interesting to see where this goes

[01:40:14] and it's part one of two so uh it's going to be a an epic of a film yeah um so i can't wait to see

[01:40:22] absolutely so many epics that we'll be covering next year there we're gonna have time guys

[01:40:28] that's the big question yeah just not on epics well no anywhere that will still be on epics next

[01:40:33] year john i probably okay yeah okay yeah so what i will say is one honorable mention that i just

[01:40:38] want to say for our fellow industrious to have a check for is on prime video starting at the end of

[01:40:44] i think it's the 28th of january is the legend of vox maca which is an animated version of critical

[01:40:51] roles dnd show um it is going to be good it is just through all those things that we said we're

[01:40:58] covering this is one that just we couldn't make happen uh in terms of the covering for this year

[01:41:04] so uh strongly recommend everyone check it out as an honorable mention uh yes the legend of vox

[01:41:09] maca in the end of july january interesting i'll have to have a look at that i don't know

[01:41:13] don't know much about critical role or or their dnd show so it'll be interesting to see what

[01:41:17] what comes out of that um yes i know we've talked about it before and one of the show

[01:41:21] that's outstanding that we haven't talked about at all is uh is the witcher because um unfortunately

[01:41:26] due to our um recent extended stay in the uk we've missed our opportunity to fit the witcher

[01:41:31] into our podcast coverage um the way we normally would which is we recorded in between christmas and

[01:41:36] new years and released at the start of the year so we're just trying to find time and see if we were

[01:41:40] able how we're going to be able to cover uh the witcher before we start our next schedule of shows

[01:41:45] we're hoping that we're going to be able to get back to cover the witcher hopefully before

[01:41:48] the end of this month guys yep that is the hope it is just it's like a uh moving dartboard

[01:41:55] trying to find time and space to both watch and then cover exactly exactly one of those shows

[01:42:02] we were all hoping to binge uh during that period between christmas and new years and then we lost

[01:42:05] it and didn't have any internet to to binge on netflix unfortunately but hopefully we'll be able

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