"One Last Job" (Poker Face S2E7)

[00:00:00] Hmm? Ah! Hmm. He said he would call on Monday. I don't know. It's Monday. Maybe he's busy. Why hasn't he called? Oh, it's Cyber Monday, I'm told, so maybe this is when he does his discounted shopping and- I know what's happening. This is the part of the story where there's a mix-up, and it seems like they won't end up together, but ultimately, it is revealed to be the test through which true love will finally prevail.

[00:00:29] Tender? Uh-huh. What's the address? Super Save on 4th and M. YB! What would you like?

[00:01:17] And I'm Jason. And this is Murder Magnets, a podcast dedicated to the Peacock original show Poker Face. This episode we're covering Poker Face Season 2, Episode 7, One Last Job. This episode was directed by Adam Arkin and written by Teofit Kolade, I think, and Teo. Yeah, I have no idea how to pronounce that name. That was my best try. That was good.

[00:01:46] So, Jason, welcome back to Poker Face. Thank you. Glad you were back. Anyone who listened to us in Season 1 is very familiar with Jason's voice. Mm-hmm. And I imagine we have quite a number of listeners who are overlapping listeners with the cast of us, which is the Podcastica flagship show. Yeah, yeah, you'd think so. If not, check out some of our other shows, Podcastica.com. We have tons of stuff. Yeah. Jason, what's your feeling been on the season so far?

[00:02:15] I'm enjoying it. I think it's fun. It's funny. I haven't seen Season 1 since we covered it a couple of years ago. My sense is maybe Season 2 is not quite up to that level in general, but still good. I'm digging it, and I have a few favorites from this season I liked.

[00:02:37] Well, you know, I was digging the writing in Last Looks, the one where Giancarlo Esposito was a creepy. Creepy. But, and I looked it up, and it was Alice Jew who wrote my favorite episode from Season 1, the one where they were in the convenience store. Oh, yeah. So I think I just like her writing style. I don't know exactly why, but I really liked Hometown Hero too, the baseball one.

[00:03:02] And I liked the one from last week with the kids at the school, and I loved it that the death was a little, I mean, it's still bad, but a little mouse or whatever instead of a person. Everything on a smaller scale. So I'm digging it. Awesome. Well, let's get into it. Jason, why don't you read the synopsis of the episode there?

[00:03:24] It says, a great date turned sour when Charlie's love interest is framed for a heist, and she's left to once again put the pieces together and clear his name. Poor Charlie. Yeah. That was heartbreaking to watch because of the way the episode is put together that we saw all of the cuteness after we already knew how it was going to end for Bill. So that made the cuteness really tragic. I know. I was thinking, oh, this is really cute, but it's sad.

[00:03:52] And I'm like, okay, this is going to be like some heist movies where what you thought happened didn't really happen and he's actually going to be alive. And then it didn't happen. Yeah. They did that with Luca. Remember, we thought Agent Luca was dead and then he wasn't. Yeah. But yeah, we lost poor Bill. This one was depressing. Yeah. It was really sad.

[00:04:12] It reminded me of some like time travel movies where someone has to finally admit they can't save the person and then they end up just tragically watching the horrible thing happen again because they have to let it happen. It just had that feeling for the audience. Of course, Charlie in the moment didn't know what was going to happen to Bill. Yeah. How about your moment to die for Jason?

[00:04:33] It's just a little one when they set a time to go on a date and he sees her in her like black leather outfit. And that's what it was anyway. And he just went, wow. Wow. And I just got a hit in that moment of two different dates I had long ago where I had that same feeling like you show up and you see the person and she's all dolled up and I've never seen them like that before.

[00:05:02] And I'm just like speechless for a second. Aw. That was a nice thing to be reminded of. It's a beautiful emotion of that feeling. And then the gesture that she made was sort of like, I know, but you know, come on, like whatever. Yeah. The whole moment was really sweet. And she like leaned against her car like she knew she looked good. She looked very sexy. Yeah.

[00:05:25] I do have a question though with the tights because after their moment and she's still wearing those tights. Yeah. Maybe they were thigh highs. How did that happen if she was still wearing those? I noticed that too. And I was like, those aren't thigh highs. Those aren't knee highs. Yeah. No. Because those shorts were short. Yeah. Those were real full on tights. Tights are pretty rippable. I don't know. Yeah.

[00:05:53] Uh, it's kind of like how in almost all sort of not rated R movies after the couple has sex, like the woman still has her bra on, you know, like, yeah, it's just, we have to just, and you know, like the L's. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:06:21] What's most unbelievable about that to me is I'm, I pull my sheets up too. Yeah. We've all got our sheets up. TMI, sorry. Oh, Becky, what was your moment to die for? TMI, when Jenny in the restaurant figures out that, you know, he's ordering to keep seeing Charlie and she breaks out her gift list. Basic, generic, gets him or psycho stalker.

[00:06:49] And I've paused it and rewound it so many times to get as much as I could off of that list. She had dead birds, Joni Mitchell CD, a mixtape cufflinks, a gun rack, anything monogrammed, an instant camera, a water painting of him. And a hot sauce subscription were just some of the few that she had on that list. And I, that was my favorite part of the whole episode. I would guess that dead bird is psycho.

[00:07:20] Yeah. What about what, what do you remember what any other psycho ones were? None of the other ones you said sound too psycho, maybe a painting. It was like they were at the bottom of the list and I couldn't see which ones that the X like corresponded. It was hard to tell. So I just kept focusing on what was on the list and. Dead bird. I mean, I have received that as a gift. Seriously? On numerous occasions, but I have cats. Like.

[00:07:48] Oh, I was going to say, please tell me your cat. Yeah. They are little tiny, adorable serial killers of birds and mice. And mine don't go outside. So I don't want any of that. Yeah. When I was young, we had a lot of outdoor cats and they all brought dead stuff home for us all the time. Mine are just indoor, but they eat plastic and then throw it up. Oh yeah. What is with that? Mine do the same thing. Well, my older cat who passed away last year, she was like plastic.

[00:08:18] I must've tasted really good to her. It's supposedly it, it has a sensation similar to like chewing grass, which cats do when they're outdoors to get certain vitamins. It's an instinct thing. Mine is obsessed with it. I cannot keep plastic out. I have to like put everything behind cabinet doors and inside drawers and stuff, or he will just chew and then it's very unpleasant. Yeah. My moment to die for.

[00:08:44] I didn't catch it completely on the, or I didn't really pay attention to it on my first watch, but on my second watch, it killed me was when Kendall and juice meet up at the bar the first time. And they're watching heat on the bar TV and Kendall switches the settings on the television to turn off motion smoothing. Oh nice. And then puts his little remote back in his inside coat pocket. And I was like, that is like the ultimate film nerd thing to do.

[00:09:12] I've been at other people's house and been like, can I just change the setting here on your TV? It's a little off and had them be like, Oh, that is better. And I'm always like, is it for them? Or are they just being polite? Yeah. But the fact that he does that like rogue, like carries a remote with him everywhere he goes and like just changes the TV. It killed me. That's great. Yeah. You always hear people who know a lot about TVs in particular. They just say, turn that off.

[00:09:42] And I have it turned off on mine, but I don't even really know what it does. It changes a little bit of how the picture comes across. It's a subtle difference. Most people probably wouldn't notice it, but I have a really big TV and it's very cool. It's very visible online. And the motion smoothing on version just makes me feel a little queasy. I'm like, there's something not quite right about it. It's not good. Let's get into it. Where do you guys want to start? Jason, you're the guest.

[00:10:09] Well, I particularly wanted to just, one thing that was really notable or unique about this episode, actually with poker face, you can always feel the creator's love of different eras and genres of TV and movies. And I like that. And some episodes are more about that than others. Like the one last season about Hollywood more, there were a few, like the Nick Nolte one. Yeah. That one was very stylized. Yeah.

[00:10:36] And this one was a lighter take on that, but it was about heist movies and rom-coms and starting off being an homage to heist movies. I mean, the whole, the whole show, we always talk about how it's a throwback and it's kind of like Columbo, you know? So it's already looking back at other forms of media that are gone, but anyway, heist movies.

[00:11:01] So they talked about heat a lot and other heist movies, inside man, oceans 11, a lot of mission impossible stuff. Um, heat. I saw when it came out back in the nineties in a theater one time, I don't really remember it that well. I don't even remember thinking it was that exceptional, honestly, but now people see it as a classic. So I feel like I should watch it again and reappraise it.

[00:11:24] There's a certain segment of the like film fandom that really idolizes crime movies. And is there the sort of group of people that are like the Godfather's greatest movie ever made. Then right after the Godfather, they'll talk about Scarface heat, almost any Al Pacino movie, this very like gritty version of American crime story that usually has like a older yelly white man in it.

[00:11:55] Um, it's not my, it's not my genre. I saw it's heat also in the theater. And I think that was the movie where I said, I'm done with Al Pacino. Just see. Yeah. See, well, I was there most more for Val Kilmer cause he, cause I'm Gen Xer, but, um, it's interesting to me living through a lot of movies and sometimes you can just tell it's going to be a classic like Pulp Fiction. I knew was going to be known and stick out and revered for years.

[00:12:24] I remember seeing Goodfellas and thinking it was pretty good, but Dances with Wolves won the Oscar. And now Goodfellas is the one that that happens a lot. Like you look back and see what won the Oscar and what other movies came out and you're like, Oh, that didn't hold up, you know? But, uh, sometimes at the time it doesn't hold up crash. Right. But anyway, I like a good heist movie. It's not my favorite genre, but it can be fun.

[00:12:51] And so I just went down the list of ones that are considered the best and saw which ones I liked. And once it stood out to me, Reservoir Dogs out of sight with George Clooney and Jennifer Lopez. And he had a poster of that in this episode, uh, three Kings with Clooney, Mark Wahlberg and Spike Jones, a fish called Wanda, the whole John Cleese, Jamie Lee Curtis, Kevin Klein. I was really stoked to see this one on the list cause I didn't think of it that way, but Rogue

[00:13:21] One, it kind of is a heist movie. Yeah. It's definitely a heist movie. Uh, Baby Driver is one of my very favorite movies. It's so good at Edgar Wright. But, um, my all time favorite, if it counts, which I say it's not for certain, but point break with. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That's sort of a subverted heist movie. Yeah. It's like an anti heist movie. Yeah. But if not that one, then I would say Baby Driver.

[00:13:46] So one of my, actually, I really only had one big main point, which was about genre and genre mashups and things. So I'm going to sort of piggyback on you here a little bit, Jason. So the way I see it, this was heists and rom-coms overtly, right? They said it. They're like, we're doing stuff like a rom-com. We're doing stuff like a heist movie. And then the, the genre that Charlie is, is that the whole show poker faces is not just

[00:14:10] the detective story, but it's also this genre called night errant or drifter or Ronin. Right. And there's a long tradition in literature and many different cultures of the story of like a lonely traveler who is on the road for different reasons. Right. And then, and they solve problems as they go, but they're always a little bit lonely. So I looked up night errant, which is sort of like the overarching genre.

[00:14:36] It's also called picaresque, which if you want to be really pretentious, that they have Don Quixote. Don Quixote. So there's a variation on the night errant where the night errant has a squire or an assistant, and that would be like Don Quixote. Okay. And then there are some current variations on it where it's a duo like supernatural, where the brothers are nights errant, but they travel around together.

[00:15:02] I have a feeling that the upcoming, um, Dunk and Egg series on HBO, the spinoff of Game of Thrones is going to be a little bit of a night errant story where they like night in the seven kingdoms. Yeah. Where they like travel from, you know, place to place and solve problems for people. Well, the, the things you look for are, does the main character have chronic hero syndrome where they are always trying to do the right thing. They have no fixed home. They're always wandering. They have a code of honor. They have some kind of idealism.

[00:15:31] So for Charlie, that would be her search for honesty, her desire to like bring out lies and right wrongs. They always want to right wrongs. They look for them everywhere they go. Uh, they're usually on a small scale, but occasionally they're pitted against a quote, evil overlord. They're loners. They may or may not have a desire to have friends and love interest, but they're usually killed by bad guys. And, uh, a lot of times they are stoic.

[00:15:59] So they don't talk about themselves a lot and they have a mysterious past and they don't show their emotions as much as some other characters do. And sometimes there's a damsel who accompanies the nightmare, but Charlie fits all of these. And I just, I like putting her in a category, not just with like Columbo, which I personally not all that into as a show, but with, you know, sort of like cowboys, like the Lone Ranger

[00:16:25] or like, you know, the last samurai or some of these sort of classic epic heroes. I, I just enjoy making that. Kung Fu. Yeah. Kung Fu, Incredible Hulk. I was trying to think of more drifter shows and I realized they're not as common in a modern setting because of honestly like communication technology. Yeah. We're all connected. So there's a lot more examples of agents with a team back home, you know, like Knight Rider.

[00:16:52] Um, the only other sort of almost classic Knight Errant I could think of that's current is Doctor Who, but he almost always has a companion. Mm-hmm . So it's more of a Don Quixote situation. And comic book stories are full of this trope, right? There's like Wolverine, Ronin, Nomad. There's a ton of comic book characters that have at least had a period where they're a wandering for lack of a better word. Yeah. I love all that even more than what I'm about to say.

[00:17:19] But what I thought you were going to say with this show is how it's a how catch them. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Where that's where just if people don't know, it's kind of like a murder mystery except we know who did it and then you have to watch the hero figure it out. So instead of a whodunit, it's how do you catch who did it? It's a little bit of a subversion on the detective story. And I did find this article, I thought about putting it in news, but I don't think that

[00:17:47] it really, it doesn't excerpt very well. So I'm just going to summarize it, which is that Rian Johnson and Natasha Lyonne are particularly excited about telling a drifter story with a female lead because they see it as incredibly feminist because all drifter stories in history are pretty much always men. The only example I could think of was Xena. Yeah.

[00:18:10] And it's letting the female character have a purpose in life or a purposeless life and not constantly be seeking to settle down and have a family and find a love interest. Like we've seen Charlie get lonely and she's definitely been attracted to men. And like last season, she had that mountain guy that she was with for a little while. Like she's interested in a relationship, but it's never the primary purpose of her life. Yeah.

[00:18:36] And another thing I noticed, I was feeling like, oh, there's something weird about this couple. And then I looked up their ages and Corey Hawkins who plays Bill is 36 and Natasha Lyonne is 46. And I'm like, why does that feel weird to me? Because every couple you see, the guy is 10 years older than the woman usually. And this is the, this is that reverse. So it kind of goes along with what you're saying. I'm like, no, this is good. You should be able to have some of these kinds of things too. Yeah. It's great.

[00:19:04] There's, there's all kinds of subversion everywhere. And as a Buffy fan, I'm a big fan of subverting convention. That's one of the greatest things about the Buffy the McBurray Slayer show. So I have more to say about genre, but I'll come back around to it. Um, Becky, let's, uh, let's jump over to you. I have a point that I want to talk about, but I do want to add to just the, not so much the genre, but just the couple of movie references that were in this that I really enjoyed.

[00:19:31] And I, one of them was one of the biggest ones I think is kill Bill. Mm-hmm . He had the poster, but then I think they also referenced when. Juice shoots Bill. And, uh, I think they even say it killed Bill in the show. So I did not kill Bill. Yeah. And then when. At the end, when. They're fighting in his apartment and he kills him with the sword. Yeah. I really liked the, the kill Bill references there. And then.

[00:20:01] I mean, it was right under the kill Bill poster. Yeah. In that moment. Oh, now it's getting Tarantino ask. And then the poster came into view, right. As I was thinking that. And then, uh, when they're talking and the dumbest thing he did was put that body in a. Santa suits leaving it sitting in the store, but it was like, you know, like weekend at Bernie's, it's a wonderful life and pride and prejudice. Mission impossible.

[00:20:30] And then I just thought that was a fun reference as well, even though. That was so stupid to do that. There were a bunch of other movies referenced. Baby driver heat mission impossible oceans, 11 inside man gone in 60 seconds. Kill Bill. Volume one. Die hard. Great bad, which is the TV show weekend at Bernie's it's a wonderful life and pride and prejudice. I think that's all. Mission impossible. So many mission impossibles. Mm hmm.

[00:20:58] All of the mission impossibles, which I have to say, I wouldn't be able to rank them. I don't remember which one. No, I haven't even seen them all because. I don't know which ones I've seen. I don't really love them. I think my favorite one is ghost protocol, which was written or directed by Brad Bird, who did the Incredibles. Mm hmm. Like I said, I don't know which one's which I can't. I remember the first one pretty well. And then the rest of them are all like, oh, okay, I get it more of the same. Yeah. And you know, I was disappointed in this series, actually, because I watched the show

[00:21:26] as a kid and it was always a team. And in the first mission impossible movie spoilers, all the team dies except for Tom Cruise. And I'm like, what the hell is this? That's not what mission impossible is. Yeah. I don't know if people, I've probably mentioned this before, but I was a film major as an undergrad. That's my Bachelor of Arts. So this whole episode of like people being giant film nerds made me really happy.

[00:21:54] And like, I felt like it was written for me. Yeah. When he like was showing the guy, the TV who just wanted a blender. I thought that was really funny. I'm like, I can relate. I'd like to talk about the Bill and Charlie relationship or Bill in general, but then their moment. We've talked every episode about kind of what Charlie's plan is, what her intentions are, what she's thinking, what she wants.

[00:22:22] And we get a good answer to that this episode. But to build up to that, I love the instant attraction on Bill's part when she delivers the food and he's fumbling with the door, but then he sees her and you could tell he's immediately taken aback by her presence. And I thought that was really great acting on his part.

[00:22:46] And then they go into, you know, and Charlie, her typical, terrible flirting self, but she doesn't even realize that this guy keeps ordering food to see her until Jenny points out, you know, this is the classic, you know, rom-com moment. And this is the make or break for the first date.

[00:23:05] But that whole date, when, like you were mentioned, you mentioned earlier, Jason, when he sees her, when she gets out of the car, she gives him that really sweet gift and he knows what it is. And then, you know, she can tell if he's BSing her and everything that he's saying is honest and raw and real. And then after they have their moment and she starts talking about how she could see herself settling down and she wants to get a normal life.

[00:23:34] But when she pictures it in her head, she can't really see it. And she's beginning to suspect that her normal is just a little bit weird. I thought that was a very profound moment for Charlie to, A, be that vulnerable with another person, both intimately and emotionally. And then for her to finally clarify the question that we've all been wondering, you know, what, what is her plan? What is she going to do that?

[00:24:04] Yes, she does want winky fingers, a normal life. But what, what does that look like? What's a normal life to one person? You know, my normal life might not be the same as what the two of you think is a normal life. And it made me really stop and think. I wonder what she means. I don't know. I mean, her normal is, as far as we know, drifting around and getting jobs and making friends and moving on.

[00:24:29] We don't, we don't really see her do anything like out of the ordinary aside from her drifter lifestyle. You know, she's just a cool chick. Yeah. I mean, she keeps solving murders. Yeah. That's what's abnormal is somebody dies everywhere she goes. Yeah. Because she's in a TV show. But she's got that. It's obvious through that answer that she sees normal for her. As settling down. But what does settling down for her look like?

[00:24:58] Like, we saw her yearning for it when she was at the apple orchard in the first episode. And then here, she's with this great guy. And I wonder if Bill hadn't been killed. Would she have stuck around and given it a shot and to see where it went and see if that was her idea of normal?

[00:25:20] So I think we get, I felt like we get the sense that yes, she's looking for a place that feels good and right for her that she can settle down, which would drive us to the end of the show. So that, you know, she finds that place and she doesn't have to keep running from place to place to look for whatever that normal is. I don't know if I would say she's looking for it. I think she was considering it here.

[00:25:47] But she just seems kind of unsure what to do with herself. Well, she's tried a couple of times, right? She said, like, when she was at the baseball park, she was like, maybe I finally found a community that I can make my own. And then, you know, murder happens. Everything's messy. So she leaves. And then she was going to really give it a try at the school. And again, you know, something happened and then she left. But to me, it doesn't seem like she's like, that's her goal to find a place.

[00:26:15] It's sort of more like, huh, is this OK that I'm wandering around? Or, you know, she does seem lost a little bit. Yeah. She doesn't seem sure that settling down is what she wants. But she's like, I need something. Right. Like whatever this life that she's living isn't what she wants necessarily. She's lonely. Right. She keeps seeing people get killed. And she would like to find something.

[00:26:39] And I think at this point, she's questioning if finding a place to settle down would make her happier. Yeah. And you don't know that until you've actually settled down. Right. You can't be like, well, if I stay here a week and I'm happier than I know. Because like as long as you have one foot out the door, you're not settled down. Just the fact that she is sort of considering that multiple times this season does suggest that she's not really feeling fulfilled just wandering around. Yeah.

[00:27:09] She's lonely. But it's interesting because I think all of this is because they wanted to make a show about a person who's in a different setting each week. And so they're trying to figure out how to build that into a character. And before they could do that by having her be on the run from the mob and they took that away. And I saw, I don't know if you guys have, but some people didn't like that, that they took that away. And I, I'm not sure. I don't think I really care.

[00:27:37] I, for one thing, I think the show is just fun and I don't really care if there's a good reason why she's wandering around. Ryan Johnson said Quantum Leap was an inspiration for this show. You know, new, new situation each week. But now that we're talking about it actually right now, it does make me feel like, oh yeah, they, I think they're aware and they're trying to deepen her character using this situation.

[00:27:59] And I think it's probably going to lead to something by the end of the season where maybe she does find a place where she needs, feels like she can settle down or she gets more clear on what she wants out of life or something like that. Yeah. They've definitely sort of addressed it. If I think about it too much, it falls apart and it doesn't make sense. But like last week, Steve was on the podcast and he was like, I don't need to know where she gets gas. I don't need to know why she's moving from town to town.

[00:28:26] So I'm trying to just enjoy it for what it is, but they do sort of keep referencing it. And without the handy excuse of the mob, it does kind of beg to be answered. Yeah. I mean, it's more interesting to me though, without the mob, if they can do something with it eventually. And I don't need them to do that right now. But just, I think, you know, as, like I said, as we're talking about it, I think they're aware of it because they keep bringing it up. You know, she's questioning, oh, should I be trying to find a place to settle down?

[00:28:55] And so I get the sense that they probably talked it out in the writer's room and had something that they're building to that we just haven't seen yet. I hope so. But a couple other things that you were saying, Becky, got me thinking that, you know, she likes Bill and can tell that he's honest. And of course she can because she's Charlie Kale.

[00:29:19] And that just made me realize dating for her is different than for any of us. She doesn't ever have to wonder if the person is full of shit or not because she just knows. So that would actually, you would think, make dating a lot better. I don't know. I don't think I'd like it. I think you would run into so many people lying that you'd get real cynical. Oh, yeah, that's a good point. Like even little white lies. So when you did find a guy like this who is... It would be like the Sun Rose. Yeah.

[00:29:49] So then it actually makes more sense why she takes such a quick liking to him. Yeah. Because he is honest. I love that Jenny didn't give a shit about Charlie until her life started to look like a rom-com. And then suddenly she was all into it and turned into a whole different person, which Charlie was like, who are you? That was adorable, actually. I like when she said hot guys love samosas because I love samosas.

[00:30:20] I mean, doesn't everybody love samosas? Yeah. I mean, who wouldn't? I didn't know what they are. They're just beef fried. They're like little dumplings with Indian food flavors. Spiced potato in the middle. Oh, they're so good. It sounds delicious. Yeah, they're great. Yeah, I liked Jenny a lot. I thought she was so funny. Like in that first scene when Charlie's like, I'm Charlie, by the way. And then she's like, all right, I guess you're studying or whatever. Like Jenny just did not have time for her at all.

[00:30:48] What I did think was really kind of interesting is that the heist part of the show had a lot of name drops, right? There was like Heat, Baby Driver, Ocean's Eleven, right? And also, you know, calling out conventions of the heist genre explicitly. Like at the end when Charlie's like, that's the plot of every heist movie I've ever seen. Yeah. They called out rom-com tropes and conventions explicitly, but they didn't really mention any specific movies. Yeah, there was some on the screen. I was going to say.

[00:31:18] We saw Pride and Prejudice on the screen, but I don't actually think that applies to Charlie's situation at all. Yeah, it just, it was interesting. Well, I don't know if it makes sense, but the reason, the way I'm trying to make sense of it is Poker Face feels more in line with a heist kind of thing than a rom-com maybe. I don't know. Yeah, except that they were so explicit about it. I thought that, I had this idea in my head that I was like, why these two genres? Like what, why did they decide to mash these two up?

[00:31:45] And then I was like, I bet they wrote down a whole bunch of genres on those slips of paper and put them in a hat and pulled out two. And we're like, all right, we're doing heist and rom-com. It was like a writer's exercise that went well. Also their date, they were talking about, you know, whether Die Hard is a Christmas movie. I'd say it's a Christmas movie. It is. 100%. Exactly what she, I was thinking about It's a Wonderful Life, right? And then she mentioned it. There were a couple of times where I was thinking of something and then it showed up.

[00:32:11] I just think not only, not just because Die Hard is at Christmas and there's a lot of Christmas trees and ho-hos and music and everything, but also the message is about these crooks just want money, but it's about family. And John's like, John McClane is separated from his wife, but by the end he needs to get back together with her and make it right, you know? So it just feels like a Christmassy message on top of everything else. I don't understand these people that argue that it's not a Christmas movie.

[00:32:40] But I did want to sort of talk a little bit about gatekeeping and film fandom and when it can get a little bit toxic. And one of the areas is around genre. When, you know, every genre, genre is a lens that we use to analyze a type of art form, right? There's like literary genres, there's genres in most art forms, right? But in film, you know, the big ones are drama versus comedy, but then you drill down a little further and you have sci-fi,

[00:33:07] you have Westerns, you have, you know, space opera, you have horror, you have, and they all come with their own set of conventions. And then around the 80s and 90s, it became incredibly common to do genre mashups and mixes and blend things together. That's how we get film noir sci-fi like Blade Runner. And that's how, you know, it just became more and more common. Tarantino does it all the time. He also does a lot of just like self-referential meta commentary on genre.

[00:33:35] And then as we've progressed into the new millennium, we get more and more of these subverting genre convention things. But there are fans out there who feel like they know the definitive list of what is or is not a genre. And they are like angrily protecting the purity of their vision. You know, you see these people being like, you know, that doesn't count because of blah, blah, blah. And it's like, I don't understand. The Last of Us is not a zombie show.

[00:34:05] Yeah, that's a good, that's a very good example. Or the diehard argument, which I've gotten into with so many people. Yeah. And this need that some people have to like see their thing as only this one definition and not understanding that the edges of the definition are permeable. And that I think great art grows and changes conventions and expectations.

[00:34:29] And if you want your genre, your preferred genre, whichever one it is that you love so much to last and stand the test of time, it has to grow and change and maybe borrow from other conventions and experiment with other conventions and move things in and out of the definition. It's just that's how a living body of work operates. And I got frustrated with Kendall when Bill was like, oh, we've been arguing about this since fourth grade. I was like, Kendall is one of those people.

[00:34:58] He's like, I know what Christmas movies are and you don't. And I was like, he's a jerk. I hope they catch him. You know, like. I mean, all of this to me, it's fun and interesting to talk about. I'm OK disagreeing, but it does kind of bug me when people are like, no, I'm right and you're wrong and there's no discussion to be had. Then it's like, whatever. Yeah.

[00:35:21] And I too often find that when you drill a little further into why someone doesn't accept whatever it is into their genre, a lot of times at the bottom of it, it's because a woman is the lead, because a woman wrote it, because a black person is the lead. You know, like there's like when you push far enough, sometimes you get to like a really ugly core and you're like, oh, OK.

[00:35:44] Like you're sort of toxic protection of your idea is also a toxic protection of other ideas. Got it. It can be. Yeah. Yeah. It can be sometimes. A lot of times it happens with women and they're like, oh, it's a romance. It's like because there's a woman in it. Like.

[00:36:29] OK. Yeah. Like you're like, oh, it's a woman. It's a woman. It's a woman. It's a woman. It's a woman. It's a woman.

[00:36:59] Rom-coms is the other one that was the big one in this. Although I felt like they did a little action movie stuff and maybe it felt like a horror even at times. But I like that her boss knows all the rom-com tropes, like the leave behind. And I was thinking that I probably like I did the whole thing where I found my favorite heist movies. And then when it turned into a rom-com was like, OK, well, I got to try that with rom-coms too. But I don't like rom-coms. That's not my thing. I'm not going to be able to find any. And then I looked on the list and I found a whole bunch.

[00:37:27] When Harry Met Sally is a favorite of mine with Billy Crystal and Meg Ryan. Philadelphia Story with Katherine Hepburn, Jimmy Stewart, Cary Grant. You guys know that one? Way back. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. A friend of mine introduced that to me when I was in my late 20s and I fell in love with it. Say Anything is just ugh. Yes. Yes. Defending Your Life is Albert Brooks, Meryl Street where it's in the afterlife. Oh, yeah.

[00:37:56] I guess that counts as a rom-com, yeah. I think so. Especially the end, you know? Yeah. I want to give it away. But I don't know if Princess Bride counts, but it's one of my favorite movies. That's definitely a genre mashup. Yeah, if it's rom-com at all. Groundhog Day, kind of. Roxanne definitely is. That's a really good one. I love that movie. Garden State with Zach Braff and Natalie Portman. Gross Point Blank, kind of, with John Cusack and Minnie Driver.

[00:38:24] And my very favorite rom-com ever is L.A. Story with Steve Martin and Victoria Tennant. That is one of my all-time favorite movies, L.A. Story. It's just so good. Have you seen it, Becky? It's such a good movie. Oh, it's delightful and hilarious. I think it holds up, too. It's just a really beautifully made movie and funny. That's a really good list. I agree with most of that list. I would add Moonstruck, which I think is one of the best romantic comedies ever made. Serendipity?

[00:38:55] Oh, no, I'm not really a fan. Oh, I love that one. I don't know that one. I love Cusack, so. Yeah. If he's been in it. I have a personal issue with Cusack. Oh, okay. Don't tell me. I won't tell you about it. I won't ruin that for you. Thank you. Yeah. He's especially for people in our sort of age range. Like, John Cusack was the star of so many classic movies from our youth. Better Off Dead. Is that what it was called?

[00:39:25] Yeah, Better Off Dead. Yeah. Sorry your mom blew up, Ricky. I'll just start quoting Better Off Dead lines, so we need to move on from that particular conversation. Is it me then? Mm-hmm. Okay. I want to talk about the confrontation scene because we've talked a lot about Charlie's tendency to confront murderers with no backup and no plan and no weapons.

[00:39:54] And in this case, she wasn't on her way to confront the murderer, right? She was trying to get evidence. So she hid in the store inside of a tent, brilliant, until after closing. And then hilariously guesses Kendall's locker combination based on guessing what the order was of his favorite Mission Impossible movies. And if I was more familiar with the Mission Impossible movies, I think I would have found that even funnier than I did.

[00:40:21] But I was able to just assume from the way she did it where she was like, something skyscraper. That's for her. This one's number, you know, questionable order, but I'll take it. And like, there's a few things I didn't get about this. I didn't totally understand why she wanted to go to his locker because when she had a little confrontation with him, he said, I left something in my locker. And that was the truth. So she didn't, her bullshit detector didn't go off.

[00:40:51] But I guess I didn't really get that she was suspicious of him, but she was. She became suspicious of him after that and then remembered that he had said something was in his locker. Oh, why was she? Somebody said something that made her have a light bulb. Oh, it was the polaroid. It was the polaroid. Okay, thank you. She didn't think that she knew that Bill didn't need to go use that trick because he knew how to manipulate the cameras.

[00:41:18] And that's what got her brain turning on that. And then the cop said, oh, it's from Mission Impossible. And she was like, ding, ding. I know someone who loves Mission Impossible. Yeah. And that felt like a bit of a stretch to me that she would guess the ranking of Mission Impossible movies. Yeah, that was ridiculous. And get it right. And also, they kind of made a point when he first, you know, she went to him to ask what gift should I get, Bill? And he tested her by saying, what's your favorite Mission Impossible movie?

[00:41:45] And the way she answered, it sounded like she'd never seen a Mission Impossible movie. She's like, uh, number one. And I guess what really happened is she just couldn't think. I don't know. But then all of a sudden when she was with the locker, she knew everything about all the Mission Impossible movies. Yeah, that was a little bit of a stretch. I still thought it was funny, though. It was funny, yeah. Yeah. So then Kendall comes in and her having to confront him is an accident, right? So this is where having her one-on-one with the murderer makes sense.

[00:42:14] She didn't, like, go seek him out to confront him. It happened to her. And, you know, he's like, I didn't kill Bill. And then she guesses when she's like, let me guess what happened. And she, like, lays out exactly what happened. And he's like, how did you know? And she's like, it's the plot of every heist movie I've ever seen. It was just funny to me. And then I really loved the part where she pulled out the little, like, cop collar button thing that Bill had shown her. And he's like, don't. She's like, I pushed it three minutes ago because this isn't actually a movie.

[00:42:43] I thought was a very fun little subversion. And then to have the guy show up with the sword still through him with a machine gun was right out of Die Hard. Right? There's the part where the one really big blonde bad guy, like, you think he's been killed and he shows up at the very end and then has a second dramatic death scene. I was like, oh, my God, they did it even in this one.

[00:43:10] And having the guy, like, walking around the store with the sword sticking out of him was hilarious. That was epic. I didn't see that coming. Me either. Not at all. It really added to the glee of the end of that. I've also seen some people complaining that this season is too far out and surreal, even or absurd, like with the alligator and everything. And I'm like, it's already about a show where a woman can somehow detect when anyone's lying for no reason. I'm like, yeah, it's fun. Who cares?

[00:43:40] Who cares? I just don't care that much. And then the final trope, of course, is that Kendall tries to make a run for it with the money. And when he gets to the door, there's like all the cops and all the lights and everything in his face. And that's like the end of so many crime movies. Well, they had the end of Heat playing on all those TVs as it was happening. And that was one of my notes is I love the way they tied those two endings together.

[00:44:09] And then a dude sitting there, was it De Niro and Heat? Yeah. Yeah. It's De Niro and Pacino. Yeah. Pacino's dead and, or is it De Niro? Anyway, you know, it zooms in on that, his face. And then it zooms in on Kendall's face getting arrested and then zooms in on her face. I really, really like that too. My favorite part of the whole thing, and it's my favorite part of every heist movie,

[00:44:35] is the voiceover narration where Kendall is laying out the plan. And we see the montage of like drawing the map, gathering the supplies, people taking the trash out, them grabbing the door, them going in. I love that. Every heist movie has some version of that scene. Yeah. And it is my absolute favorite part every time. Yeah. The only time anything resembling a heist does not have that is when the heist is going to go perfectly. Yeah.

[00:45:05] Because then they don't want to show you ahead of time what's going to happen. But then I don't know if a pure heist movie, you know, those tend to be more like where people have some plan, but in some other kind of movie. But when it's all about the heist, then something's going to go wrong. So they do have that scene. Yeah. It's just, I love the montage. I love the like seeing them grab the supplies. The other part I love is in a movie like Ocean's Eleven, the getting the team, assembling the team. Yes. I love those scenes.

[00:45:34] It's like one of my first favorite movies was Blues Brothers when they have to like get the band back together. And I think like I've been trying to chase that high my entire film watching life. I don't really have any main points left. Everything I have left is just really notes. But I do want to say we did not have any good buddy this episode. Yeah. I had that in my notes too. Like just absent entirely.

[00:46:04] Maybe she'll talk about the experience with him next week. I hope so. But I feel like Bill, her time with Bill was enough that she did not need that outside communication or influence. And then I do like the way this one had that very fade to black or cut to black abrupt ending versus the other ones where you get a Charlie come down scene to show her leaving or whatever.

[00:46:32] This just ended just like a lot of heist movies do. Yeah. So Kendall, the tragedy of Kendall, who came off like a good guy at first. And I was rooting for him. Like you see his, he wrote this great script. His friend Bill is encouraging him and he keeps writing more scripts, but he's afraid to go to the next step and try to give them to somebody. And that reminds me of a lot of people with podcasts. So many people do that with podcasts.

[00:47:02] They start the planning and then they just sit on it for months and then never get around to it. You know, I've had a lot of people come to me asking for my help and then they, you got to take that next step. But then when Bill fired him to push him to try to get the script made and Kendall took that totally wrong. Like even when Bill said that basically that's what he was doing, you know, trying to push him out of the nest basically to get him. He's like, don't just make up that excuse. If you want to fire me, fire me.

[00:47:30] So he has this, I think my read on it, low self-esteem and he can't see that his friend's trying to help him. He thinks this guy's trying to make up an excuse because he doesn't want him there anymore. And so then right after that, he helps this guy steal a bunch of TVs, which by the way, I wonder if that's really happening. People are stealing TV like that. It felt very 2025.

[00:47:51] But I just think it's so messed up that because of his own low self-esteem, he presumed the world was out to get him, saw himself as a victim and then lashed out and ended up getting his friend killed. And I just think that kind of thing where sometimes we're our own worst enemies, you know, usually in smaller ways. We don't get our friends killed usually, but, you know, we all do that to some degree or another where you take things the wrong way and then you kind of sabotage yourself.

[00:48:20] And then, then when he, he's talking to the guy who stole the TV in the bar and I love, he's like, funny enough, my latest script is about a guy who gets fired from a super save. But the twist is that he returns using his knowledge of heist movies to rob the store safe for his revenge. And he gets a puppy and a hot girlfriend. And I just thought, you know, it might seem unbelievable that it, because then we're all of course thinking, well, that's what they're going to do. But Kendall wasn't thinking that.

[00:48:47] And it might seem unbelievable, but that he wouldn't, it wouldn't even dawn on him that he should do that. But he doesn't know he's in a TV show and it totally makes sense. It's like, yeah, that's not the first thing you usually jump to to rob a store. Then when he, they do rob it and he sees there's way more money in the safe and he decides to cheat the other guy, which is a total heist movie thing to do. Yep. Always the downfall. Yep.

[00:49:14] And then later, I love that this guy, he reminded me of Todd in Breaking Bad, if you've ever seen that, where he's actually, oh shit, he's a lot worse than you think. He's killed without a thought. But then he has this weird moral code because he also sold the motorcycle and gave Kendall half the money for it. Yeah. Like 50-50 meant more to him than someone's life. Yes. And I thought, I wondered if Kendall felt bad in that moment when he gave him the money.

[00:49:41] But, you know, when Kendall took the more money than he was owed and then I'm just like, okay, I should not be rooting for this guy. He's just a bad, he's always doing the wrong thing. Now he's cheating this guy. He stole from his friend. He didn't take what his friend said at face value. And even then, he has all this money in a backpack in his locker. And I'm still like, oh no, sorry, I missed one part. He got his friend killed.

[00:50:06] Like when Juice came in and shot the guy, I was like, oh shit, I felt bad for Kendall. And I'm like, why am I feeling bad for this guy? He's just doing the wrong thing at every turn. Sam Richardson is so charming. He's likable, that face. Yeah. Yeah. And then I wanted him to get the money out of the locker. And I always try when I watch these things to say, okay, here's where my emotion is, but let me take a step back and look at what these people are actually doing. And I'm like, no, he deserves to go to prison for what he did.

[00:50:36] He's not a good person. No. And you're right. He made one bad decision after another, after another. And he also threw away his talent, right? Yeah. He had this talent and he wasn't even, he wasn't pursuing it. And yeah, he did everything wrong. And, and it ended in this tragic loss of Bill who seemed to be like a completely nice person. Right. We saw, we saw no negative qualities about Bill. None. And he genuinely cared about Kendall. About Kendall.

[00:51:06] Like you said, Jason and his wanting him to be strong, stand on his own two feet and go get his success. So it just. He knows Die Hard is a Christmas movie. He's just a good guy. Yeah. And he took care of our sweet Charlie. Yeah. Yeah. And it made it more tragic than, I don't know, has there ever been a death of the week that felt worse than this one? Because he's. No. So. Because it was a chance for Charlie. Yeah. I love her. Yeah. So that's the one we know and care about.

[00:51:36] She's lost friends, but this one was, this hurt. Just really hurt. Yeah. I just want to give a little shout out to Corey Hawkins, who probably most people know from Straight Outta Compton. But of course, we all know him from season six of The Walking Dead. And we've been wondering what happened to him for like 10 years now. Heath lives. Well, then he died again. Oh. Yeah. I was happy to see him.

[00:52:03] I was like, oh, Heath, your hair looks so much better now. Corey Hawkins. Sam Richardson, we already talked about who plays Kendall. People might recognize him from the hilarious role he played on Ted Lasso in two different episodes or three episodes. He was this international billionaire who had some anger management issues. And he also has a series called The After Party. There's been two seasons of it. And it's another murder mystery show.

[00:52:31] And it's so funny and so well made that I really recommend it. I think it's on Apple. One of my notes is when Charlie shows up for the date and he takes her inside and he, maybe this is more of a quote than a note, but I just love the whole moment. The way he had everything set up, very cutesy romantic. And he says, I was going for sweetly romantic, but now I'm worried I've toppled over into cornball cheese.

[00:52:59] And Charlie, it's the most genuine I think I've ever seen Natasha Lyonne in this series when she didn't have a gun to her head or her life wasn't in danger. But she says, no, I genuinely think it's squarely in the romantic sweet spot. Love that whole moment. And then she goes to leave her sunglasses behind. So she has a reason to come back and see him again. I didn't catch that. That's so cool. I didn't realize she actually did leave her sunglasses. The leave behind.

[00:53:29] And that's my note when her boss, Jenny said, if the date's going really well, make sure that you, quote, forget something at Bill's place. And Charlie said, oh, like what? My chastity? Yeah. I love that. During the heist when they got to the safe and Kendall is like, well, you know, one thing I know about Bill. Is that he likes his sour cream and onion potato chips. And you know what shows up under black light? And then juice goes semen.

[00:53:59] Yes. Which was my answer in my head, too. Yeah. I get it, juice. And then it was canola oil. And that's how he broke the safe. I thought that was really clever and funny. Yes. Jenny, when she's panicking because Bill hasn't called the store for Charlie and she goes on to talk about the mix up trope where something happened and it seems like they won't get together, but they end up together. And it's just a test to see if their true love will prevail.

[00:54:28] And then the phone rings and Charlie's absolute giddiness and squeal when the phone rang because it was an order for the super saver. Wonderful. That's really cute. But also tragic. Yeah. Like such a heartbreaking scene because you're like, oh, yay, Bill does like her. Oh, no, that's right. He's dead. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I like it when she shows up, hands the food to the police. She's like, what happened? Or what is this? And she's like, lunch? I mean, yeah.

[00:54:58] And then she gets there. And yeah, it's just not at all the scene she was hoping or expecting. And this whole episode, like, I really liked the first two thirds, but the way it ended, I mean, it was just such a downer, which is OK. It's OK for an episode to be like that every once in a while. But I hope it has some kind of an impact on her. Yeah. That it's just not for nothing. I don't know.

[00:55:24] I was thinking a lot about it because the ending, we don't really get the usual epilogue where she drives away. I was like, Charlie, this is often the case, but this time very directly, she is a witness to a major crime. The police are not going to let her just like drive out of town. Like, how did they respond when she's like, oh, I don't have a home address or a phone number? Mm hmm. She's got to be a witness in this guy's trial, right? Like, I don't know. Real world. Yeah. Like, I just got through saying how I don't care about the real world stuff, but that one got me.

[00:55:54] I was like, she has to testify. Right. I mean, that's probably if they have a story around it, they'll do something with it. If not, then dramatic license. We just don't forget about it. Yeah. Just forget about it. Yeah. Move on. I like when she mentions early on when she's talking to Jenny, Jenny's studying and she, Charlie mentions she had a brief stint in the education sector referencing last week's episode. Very brief.

[00:56:24] Charlie didn't say bullshit once this episode, I don't think. Yeah, I don't think she did. No, you're right. It made me wonder if this is the first episode where she hasn't said it. I'm not sure. Yeah. Yeah. She didn't hear any bullshit. Yeah. Bill sleeping in the store just reminded me of the book, The Mixed Up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler, which was one of my favorite books as a kid. And it's about two kids who, and I cannot remember why, are parentless in New York City.

[00:56:54] And they move into the Metropolitan Museum of Art and they live there. Like, they sleep on the historic beds and then they, you know, they clean up every morning. They take baths in a fountain. They get money out of a wishing well. And they live there without anybody detecting them for a really long time. And when I was a kid, it was like one of my favorite fantasies. Whenever we would go to like a department store or something, I'd be like, I could live here. I got everything I need.

[00:57:19] My wife, Jenny, she in college went on a semester at sea without telling her parents. So she was on a boat, like going around to different ports around the world as part of her education. So it was legitimate, you know, through her college. But she didn't tell her parents. And I think they found out and she felt guilty about it. And so she wanted to save money to pay them back for that semester or something.

[00:57:47] And so the next semester, she lived in libraries at Yale. She didn't have her own apartment. She just went around to different of their libraries because they have several and slept on couches. That's pretty cool. She should somehow share that story. I know. Well, Jason just did. It's pretty funny. Well, I mean, like in a book or something like that.

[00:58:11] At one point when they're talking about the Polaroids with the police officers, Charlie is like, why would he use a janky ass and frankly, weirdly expensive Polaroid? And I know the answer is because it's in Mission Impossible, but I focused on the frankly, weirdly expensive part because I am a Polaroid nut. I love Polaroid cameras and Polaroid pictures. And they're like $2 a picture. It's ridiculous how expensive it is to take Polaroid pictures now.

[00:58:39] And you have to like special order the film and it's a really big deal. Funny detail to mention, huh? Yeah. But I continue to do it. I just really, I find that when you have a Polaroid camera, especially like to have them out at parties, that you point a Polaroid at people, you get a different reaction from them from any other kind of camera. Like there's something about the medium that makes people like happy to do sillier things. Because I think there's no long-term record.

[00:59:09] There's just the one copy, the retro feeling of the camera, the nostalgia factor from like for a lot of us, our childhoods. There's something about Polaroids that just, it brings out a different side of people. So that's cool. All right. My last note. It's just, I really liked how this episode, this is probably my favorite episode of the season. It just felt different. It had action. It had suspense. It had drama. It had love.

[00:59:36] It was far beyond just funny. There were some good ha-ha moments, like when the gun won't fire and juice those at Kindle. I just, this one felt different. It not, it was sad, different, but a lot of it was just, I don't know. Well done. Yeah. I agree with that.

[00:59:58] I probably wouldn't call it my favorite just because it left me feeling kind of down, but I think it, it was really well done. Like you said. Yeah. I loved it. I really did. My last note is that I watched the documentary on HBO called Pee Wee as himself. Oh, is that amazing? I want to see that. It's really good.

[01:00:23] But Paul Rubens and he died a couple of years ago of cancer, but he was in the middle of filming this documentary. The filmmakers didn't even know that he was sick. And he just really goes through his whole life, his success, his scandals and whatever, and what his life was like being a pariah and just all kinds of stuff. And you really get a sense of his character because he's kind of worn this mask his whole life of Pee Wee. So you get to see what he's really like, and it's, it's really fascinating.

[01:00:53] And he kind of challenges the director a lot. And I don't know. It's, it's very much worth a watch. It's a two part thing. And each part is like an hour 45. But what I wanted to mention is when they show all the stuff about Pee Wee's Playhouse, his Saturday morning kid show that he did for, I think five seasons. The first season that you see these little kids jumping down on, there's this chair called Cherry that waves its arms around and stuff. And one of the kids is like a 10 year old Natasha Lyonne. Awesome.

[01:01:23] Oh, wow. You can still be like a little happy and she's got some lines and stuff. And it's really fun. That's adorable. Now I have to watch it. Yeah. I was Pee Wee for Halloween one year when I was little. Did you say? I could still sing you that opening song to his Pee Wee's Playhouse. I won't. And y'all are welcome. But I was never much of a Pee Wee fan. And I've always felt a little left out. Like I'm like, I just don't get it. Like, you know, sometimes you just don't get things. I just don't get that one.

[01:01:52] I know that feeling. But I loved Pee Wee's Playhouse. And I was probably like in my 20s when I still watch it. I have two tiny notes left. And one is just the name Juice. I'm pretty sure that is a reference to something. Like that the other criminal called Juice. Isn't there a movie? I think. Well, there's a movie called Juice. But I don't think that's what it was too. And I think it's something having to do with heat. And again, I don't really want to watch that movie again to find out.

[01:02:20] But I just got the feeling it was a reference to something. And also that this reminded me of a heist movie that nobody mentioned but Office Space. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I love that movie. It's a good one. Yeah. That is a fantastic movie. And with that, we can move on. The only news I had this week was the article I already talked about, the interview with Natasha Leone and Ryan Johnson.

[01:02:47] So we'll just link that in the notes if somebody wants to read the whole thing. And with that, it is time for listener feedback. Jason, want to start us off? Yeah. Matt King says, another fun episode. The other bad guy was barely a step up from the baddies from Home Alone, though. Don't get close to Charlie. She brings bad karma. Any of the leads in any of these dark dramas that we watch, like Rick Rimes. You don't want to be anywhere near him.

[01:03:17] He says, after we watch today's Leverage Redemption season three finale again, where the baddies know how to dispose of inconvenient bodies if needed. I mean, so Becky, you said it was dumb to put the body as the mannequin, but his point was they could just leave, right? So you still don't think it was a good idea? No. Why not?

[01:03:41] Well, I just, I feel like if they had have made the body disappear, they would have had more time. Yeah. Or it would have, she wouldn't have discovered the body and sit her on a whodunit, you know? Yeah. It just, it was dumb, but if everything else had gone smoothly and they had left town, it wouldn't have been that bad for them. But the fact that they had complications. It was a sick and twisted in it, I thought, in a great way.

[01:04:10] Although, yeah, probably practically not so great. But man, it was also really sad when she found him. Like, as she was walking over there, I was like, oh my God. Like, I think it was meant to be a little bit funny, but it was mostly sad. Yeah. It didn't take away from my enjoyment of the episode. It just, I thought it was not the brightest way to get rid of a dead body when you just committed a horrible crime. So. Yeah.

[01:04:39] Matt mentions Leverage Redemption, which I haven't, I got to watch that. That's the sequel series to Leverage. And I loved Leverage, which is basically a Heist of the Week show. Yeah. So I'll have to check that out. Oh yeah. We love Noah Wiley on this podcast. Yes, we do. Ooh. Becky, you want to read Kelsey's? Kelsey McNamara says, I know it's the whole format of the show, but every episode, I forget Charlie will turn out to be there in the background the whole time with a crying laughing face emoji.

[01:05:09] And also last week, I think I was an odd one out because when they were setting up the episode in the school, I was not dreading it. I thought, ooh, a child murder. Fun. Fun. That's awesome. Twisted. That's funny. I love it. All right. We have a call from our good friend, Steve. Hello, Murder Magnets. This is Steve. And this is going to be for Poker Face. What is it? Season two, episode seven, One Last Job.

[01:05:39] I was just going to say that looks like Baby Driver. Yeah, there it is. And the Denzel Washington movie, Inside Man is kind of blurred out there. I wonder if that's an Easter egg or anything. Oh, and this one's got Corey Hawkins from The Walking Dead. Oh, the title of the script, One Last Job. It's kind of a mic drop. They haven't said the title yet, though, so we'll see if they actually say the title of the script. Okay, so this guy gets fired and he immediately hooks up with a robbery crew. Of course, they talked about Inside Man and now Heat is on the TV. Oh, there it is. He said it. One Last Job.

[01:06:07] Title of the movie, the TV show, mic drop. Really? He thought he'd be able to guess the combo, the four-digit combo? There's no way. There's too many combinations. Okay, he got it. What is Bill doing? Is he living there? Oh, and Juice just shot him. Bill, oh, just more than needed. Oh, no, he left the script. And does it have the map on the back? Oh, okay, he came back and grabbed it. Charlie, your brief stint in the education sector. Last episode.

[01:06:35] Aw, the meet cute over food delivery and, of course, kiss me playing over the soundtrack. Charlie, this is your love story. Aw, it's too bad, though. We know what's going to happen. Okay, Charlie, good move. Trying to get a birthday gift for him. And, of course, you're talking to Kendall, so, yeah. Okay, so Bill is living there and the cameras aren't working, but... Oh, but Bill has a panic button. I love it. Die Hard is a Christmas movie, by the way. It's the best Christmas movie ever.

[01:07:04] Oh, all right, Charlie, get you some. And you don't want Santa looking on. Oh, it's Cyber Monday, which means this is the day that Bill has been murdered. Aw. Oh, the cops ordered from Tandor. Hey, the guy had enough time in those few minutes to dress the dead body up in the Santa suit and put him... Oh, yeah. Oh, is Charlie going to discover the body right now? She's about to touch the Santa. Oh, okay.

[01:07:32] I had to pause it because that was... Wow. Okay. Oh, no. Are they going to suspect that Charlie is the accomplice? I don't know the Mission Impossible movies well enough to know if they used a Polaroid gag in Mission Impossible 3, but maybe. Ha, ha, ha, ha. So, he just Bruce Willis this guy with the samurai sword. Oh, and right there on the back wall is a 12 Monkeys poster. Okay, so his combination is the Order of the Mission Impossible movies that he likes. I love it. She pushed it like three minutes ago. The guy from Kendall's apartment is not dead.

[01:08:02] And that's it for this week. On to next week. Then Kendall gets caught, and I'm sure Charlie's just going to slip away. Thanks, Steve. Good to hear from you again. I adore him. So, ladies, thank you again for coming on. Steve didn't seem to find it depressing at all. He did note that it was a little sad, but yeah. Okay, yeah. He didn't have the gloom that we all kind of felt. I'm really brokenhearted for Charlie.

[01:08:22] I hear what Steve says about Die Hard being the best Christmas movie, and I just want to counter with The Ref, if you haven't seen it. It is about Dennis Leary is a thief. He breaks into somebody's home on Christmas Eve, and the family comes home while he's there, and he ends up pretending to be a marriage counselor for one of the couple. That's a good one. It's nonstop funny. He's having the most uncomfortable Christmas Eve dinner with this messed up family.

[01:08:52] He's threatening them with their lives. It's great. Sounds good. Hi, Lampoon's Christmas Vacation. Yeah, I love that one. If anyone's in the mood for a list of favorite Christmas movies after this podcast, and you're in my Patreon, if you go to there and search for Christmas, you'll hear me and Amelie talking about our top five favorites from a couple years ago. That's awesome. That was a fun one. All right. Thank you, everybody, for writing in and calling.

[01:09:19] If you want to write in or leave us a message, you can find all our contact info at podcastica.com, and you can find our other shows and links to our social media pages. I'd also like to ask y'all to please check out mine and Mandy's podcast, What's On Tonight, where we are continuing our coverage of the very good The Better Sister on Amazon Prime. The Better Sister is so good.

[01:09:48] And Becky, I tried to wait and go episode by episode with you guys, but I binged the whole thing. Did you finish it? Okay. I did. Well, I saw that you left feedback. I haven't read it yet, but I saw that you left feedback, so we decided we're going to do two episodes at a time. So you can get through it faster. So we can get through it, because I told Mandy I don't ever want to pick a show that it all comes out at one time. Yeah. Because this is too hard.

[01:10:17] It's a bummer for podcasting. Yeah. Jason, you just finished up three podcast series, right? Yeah. Yeah. One of the... So if you... Poker Face is one of the lighter shows that we cover, even though there's a murder every week, it's still pretty fun and light. So I just finished up another light show, The Handmaid's Tale. No, I'm just kidding. I did finish The Handmaid's Tale. That's a horrible... I mean, not horrible, but very bleak show.

[01:10:47] Although, man, last season was a little more... It's a fantastic show with very heavy, heavy themes. That's what it is. And yeah, I would recommend checking that out if you think you might at all be interested. But what I was going to say is Cobra Kai, which actually is maybe my favorite show I've ever podcasted on, or one of them anyway. And it was just a joy to do. And we finally finished that up just because this new Karate Kid movie came out. So we stuck that on the end there.

[01:11:14] But the series was just super, super satisfying. So if you're at all a fan of Karate Kid and you haven't watched that show, I would just go watch the first episode on Netflix and you'll know right away if you think you're going to be into it. It was surprisingly good, I thought. Fantastic. And don't forget to follow and subscribe to Murder Magnets wherever you get your podcasts. And of course, we love five-star reviews the best.

[01:11:39] Next time, we'll be covering season two, episode eight, The Sleazy Georgian. That's a good title. That's the first time I'm seeing that. And I am very excited for this. I wonder if that's the name of a cocktail. I don't know. Well, that's all for this episode. Thanks for listening. And Kelsey McNamara. We know what you did, you psycho.