7: Tombstone (1993)

[00:00:00] Ah!

[00:00:02] Oh, I can't speak to you.

[00:00:07] Excuse me, why'd they have a moment? Please, will you just hear me?

[00:00:10] No, I'm there. You already told you no.

[00:00:13] You tell him, Mark. What about you? You were a long man.

[00:00:21] I'm busy. We're all busy. Sorry, I'm there, but you're barking up the wrong tree.

[00:00:29] You know you're making a lot of money in this town. That's good, that's good. Good for you.

[00:00:35] In the meantime, a lot of decent people are suffering. But please, don't let me take up anymore your precious time.

[00:00:46] Hey everybody, welcome to our podcast on Mark.

[00:00:49] And I'm Kristen and I'm Rima.

[00:00:52] And today we're talking about the 1993 classic tombstone starring Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer and Sam Elliott.

[00:00:59] So grab your popcorn and get ready for the showdown at the OKKarral!

[00:01:04] It's Showtime, folks!

[00:01:06] So the idea came about of actually covering this podcast is because I got bored one day and I was like, what's on iTunes that I haven't had? What is cheap?

[00:01:26] So I noticed that tombstone was $4.99. Well, I didn't want to go grab my DVD or hunt down or search for it so I decided I'd have to do the blue.

[00:01:35] Let's get this. Oh, $4.99? I'll do it. It's like $5. That's like renting a movie but you own it now.

[00:01:41] Yeah. I can get rid of the DVD at a little any later time. But the thing is, is that the movie always resonates no matter what.

[00:01:50] It's still a great story and an all-star cast that we all love.

[00:01:55] So as soon as I recommended this, like Rima and Kristen just like, let's do it!

[00:02:02] So I thought that was pretty cool. Let's do it.

[00:02:05] But yeah, I didn't realize how many stars were in this particular movie so...

[00:02:12] Yeah. So this movie way back when I came out in the theater, what did you guys experience? Did you see it in the theater?

[00:02:20] Did you get it on rental at the time when it, long after, came out?

[00:02:24] So I come from a divorced family so my dad always took me to the movies that I was never allowed to see.

[00:02:34] So I definitely got to see this movie in the theater. I was 13 at the time.

[00:02:39] And it still remains one of my all-time favorite movies ever.

[00:02:44] So when you watch it when you're younger, you just love for me. I just love all the cowboys, not the bad cowboys but the good cowboys.

[00:02:56] I love the earth brothers and rock holiday. I think it's one of my... it's one of anybody's all-time favorite character performances by Val Kilmer.

[00:03:05] And yeah, I mean as you get older, every time I watch this movie, this is one of those movies that if it's on television, I will stop and watch it and lose the next two hours of my life.

[00:03:16] And I don't care if it has commercials. I'm going to watch it with the commercials because that movie, the movie is so good.

[00:03:22] But you know just rewatching it and prepping for today's recording, you're very correct Mark in the fact that everybody's in this movie.

[00:03:34] I mean so many like Jason Prisles in this movie, Ontario Quinn is in this movie and Billy Bob Thornton is in this movie.

[00:03:40] It's crazy how many really good actors even today are in this movie.

[00:03:47] On this movie when you read about kind of what happened behind the scenes, this movie had so much drama attached to it.

[00:03:55] So I'm so glad that it still got made and we get to talk about it today.

[00:04:00] It's really fun. How about you, Rima?

[00:04:02] I agree 100% with everything that you both said.

[00:04:06] This movie is one of my all-time favorites.

[00:04:09] I didn't get a chance to see it in the theater.

[00:04:11] I saw it when it came out on video like the next year.

[00:04:13] However long it took from theater to video the next year.

[00:04:17] That was a time where I wasn't able in my life where I wasn't able to go to a whole lot of movies at the time.

[00:04:22] It was not on movies at that time, at least out in theaters.

[00:04:27] It was always rental. That was a thing with us and always renting a lot of movies.

[00:04:31] So rented it whenever it came out and just was completely dazzled.

[00:04:39] Watched it back then for the first time and have watched it multiple times a year probably.

[00:04:46] And like you, Kristen, if it's on TV I'm watching it.

[00:04:49] It's watching it this time for just prep.

[00:04:54] I didn't even, it wasn't even required because it's like I feel like I have a whole movie memorized.

[00:04:58] I know every line of dialogue that's getting ready to happen.

[00:05:02] I have it all to memory because it's absolutely memorable.

[00:05:06] It's unforgettable. The cast is amazing.

[00:05:09] Even then you can appreciate the cast but you still look at it and you're just,

[00:05:13] I'm still in awe of how the hell did they manage to get this group of amazingly talented group of people to do this.

[00:05:22] And yeah, like you Kristen kind of hearing about some of the drama.

[00:05:25] I don't think I knew about it at the time but kind of reading back on it now some of the drama that happened behind the scenes.

[00:05:30] And it's like wow, how they managed to hold it all together.

[00:05:33] I think Kurt Russell was a big part of that right from what I was reading.

[00:05:36] You know how he's holding it all together and was very determined to make sure that this movie got made.

[00:05:41] And I'm like, I'm so thankful for that because it's an amazing film.

[00:05:46] It's one of my all time favorite westerns.

[00:05:48] I'm not typically a huge western fan but I do have a group of favorites and this is definitely, you know, like in the top for me.

[00:05:54] I mean it's just absolutely amazing and it holds up.

[00:05:57] I mean, it was 1993 and it holds up still.

[00:06:00] And it's so funny too because this came out a little bit after young guns because young guns was the stir.

[00:06:07] It stirred the pot of westerns making a comeback.

[00:06:10] And it's funny as I look back during that year, Tombstone came out in 93 Walker Texas Ranger was a big on TV.

[00:06:20] Dr. Quinn medicine woman so all the western based stuff was there.

[00:06:24] Brisco County Jr. with Bruce Campbell was on even less of one season but it's a Toronto and American legend was out there.

[00:06:35] There's like a whole slew of things.

[00:06:38] They are of all things to cannibal the music, which was the guys from South Park.

[00:06:48] But it launched everybody's obsession with westerns and it kind of drizzled out after a while long after this.

[00:06:58] But the thing is it drew the attention of people now the movie is loosely based on the 32nd showdown at the OK corral.

[00:07:10] And it is a true story, which is amazing because why it up had been around for years like he lived a very long life.

[00:07:20] And what it was something at the very tail end of the movie with a we talked about how somebody cried when he died.

[00:07:29] But it was amazing and actually if you think about it this sparked a like a big western in Kurt Russell now Kurt Russell for years before this was more of action packed in a John Carpenter movie.

[00:07:47] We knew him as Jack Burton from Big Trouble in all China.

[00:07:51] We knew him as Mac and the thing of classics all the classics and he was more of an action film star within the late 70s into the 80s.

[00:08:02] And before that he was a Disney kid.

[00:08:05] Now he went more into and then over the years since then he's done of variety of different like westerns over the years.

[00:08:13] And he actually played while at her several times after this like a couple of times I've from my understanding.

[00:08:20] Who's there anybody better?

[00:08:22] You know, I mean, he just oh my god just him just like when Josephine looks in was like who's that tall drink of water?

[00:08:31] I'm like yes like look at him. He looks grizzled he looks like he has a house like Russell just looks like somebody just tizzled out of western hero you know.

[00:08:41] And that mustache yeah, yeah that mustache man.

[00:08:45] That's a like a Tom Selic level mustache.

[00:08:49] Yeah talk about mustache people look at Sam Elliott you know I have a lot of man crushes in this particular movie and it stems all the way from Kilmer to Paxton.

[00:08:59] And of all things you do you know you get Rucker here Michael Rucker.

[00:09:03] Oh my gosh that's right.

[00:09:05] Yeah master.

[00:09:06] Yeah, he's McMaster.

[00:09:08] And he doesn't play crazy pants city kind of character.

[00:09:11] No, no.

[00:09:12] He plays a straightforward respectable kind of character plays a good dude yeah.

[00:09:17] Yeah he has morals.

[00:09:19] Yeah and you got powers booth but yet other people that were very shocked to see on film like Dana Delaney from China Beach.

[00:09:28] She was coming off of that hit series in the 80s into the 90s.

[00:09:34] And she just came out of her shell and wanted to get into film.

[00:09:38] And as well as Jason Priestley from 90210.

[00:09:41] A whole things.

[00:09:43] But you get these off colored like actors that are different that to show up like Billy Zane.

[00:09:52] It's like you can remember from back to the future although or you know a couple of the films Titanic is the biggest one at that point.

[00:10:00] Previous main I'm sorry.

[00:10:02] Previous.

[00:10:03] Previous.

[00:10:04] Yeah.

[00:10:05] It's for famous Aiden Church was in it.

[00:10:07] And for wings.

[00:10:08] Yeah.

[00:10:09] Love him.

[00:10:10] And then you got Frank Stallone.

[00:10:11] Slides brother.

[00:10:12] I remember when we did watch the movie.

[00:10:14] I remember thinking because I had seen wings.

[00:10:18] And I remember seeing Thomas Hayden church in it going.

[00:10:20] Oh, that's the silly guy.

[00:10:22] That's the silly dumb guy from wings like what is he doing in this movie?

[00:10:25] So I had a really hard time keeping him serious in my brain when I was watching the movie.

[00:10:31] But he was really he was still very good.

[00:10:34] Like if you didn't know him from wings you could he was very believable in his role.

[00:10:38] Yes.

[00:10:39] But it was just hard for me to separate it at the time.

[00:10:41] Yeah.

[00:10:43] I just kind of like the Woody Harrelson character from cheers.

[00:10:45] He kind of had that same or similar type.

[00:10:48] Yeah.

[00:10:49] Goofy.

[00:10:50] Yeah.

[00:10:51] Goofy.

[00:10:52] Yeah.

[00:10:53] He's a great actor.

[00:10:54] I've seen him in so many different roles and he's really great.

[00:10:57] Mm hmm.

[00:10:58] Agreed.

[00:10:59] Agreed.

[00:11:00] This movie basically solidified the ensemble cast of like who's who of an acting in my opinion?

[00:11:09] Because now we got Stephen Lang, Terry Okwin, like Kristen and I mentioned before and Billy

[00:11:14] Bob Thornton.

[00:11:15] So many people to work with within this film.

[00:11:19] And you can't say one was better than the other for the fact that the way everybody just

[00:11:23] gelled within our character and to give the story that we need.

[00:11:28] But the cool thing about I think about this particular movie is the way they get to the

[00:11:33] okay car out.

[00:11:35] And I may actually continue on on after it giving a white white or a little stance on cowboys

[00:11:44] and going off to get every cowboy known to man.

[00:11:47] That white or vendetta ride.

[00:11:50] Correct.

[00:11:51] As it is called.

[00:11:53] That's that yeah, that's actually what it's called as the vendetta ride.

[00:11:56] Yeah.

[00:11:57] Did he walk on water?

[00:11:58] Yeah.

[00:11:59] That's a true story.

[00:12:00] Yeah, what's cool about that story is that he is that the guy that he shot.

[00:12:08] What's his name?

[00:12:09] Curly Bill.

[00:12:10] No, no.

[00:12:11] It was you excuse me.

[00:12:15] His name was Johnny Barnes.

[00:12:17] That's it.

[00:12:18] Johnny Barnes.

[00:12:19] He got he was the one that was shot in the creek before he shot before white shot.

[00:12:23] Curly Bill.

[00:12:24] Oh yeah.

[00:12:25] And he didn't die immediately.

[00:12:26] He actually got away from that and he died like a couple days later.

[00:12:30] And he recounted that story, which is why we know that it is a true story.

[00:12:35] Other if there wasn't an eyewitness account to that, I'm not sure anybody would really

[00:12:38] believe that to have been a true story.

[00:12:40] Yeah.

[00:12:41] Yeah.

[00:12:42] Because it seems a little unbelievable, but it's true because I read that white or you

[00:12:46] know in all of his years as a law man and what happened at the okay carol and after

[00:12:52] and all of his other years had never been hit by bullet.

[00:12:56] That's crazy, isn't that like amazing?

[00:12:58] Yeah.

[00:12:59] That is crazy, but yet his brothers did.

[00:13:01] Yes.

[00:13:02] For Kenny Morgan both got hit and it's actually historical.

[00:13:07] And it was Virgil's to talk about the history of it.

[00:13:12] Virgil was the sheriff on hand.

[00:13:13] He just deputized Morgan and Wyatt.

[00:13:16] Wyatt was known as like the centralized person in the movie that goes forth and does all

[00:13:23] these things, but it's really Virgil that pushed it because he was enforcing the law.

[00:13:28] And I think we got that out of Sam Elliott as soon as they started attacking like their

[00:13:35] restaurant and how they were attacking people.

[00:13:38] And then I think it was that one scene where the cowboys were coming in and shooting and

[00:13:43] really tipped off Virgil to actually take action and say we need law.

[00:13:51] And that's what happens in this and that's really what tips off the scale.

[00:13:56] The one thing I did enjoy and I'm sure you liked it too is let's talk about the families.

[00:14:03] The all came in as a whole family into this one town.

[00:14:09] What did you think of the ladies that were there, the wives that were in the film?

[00:14:16] I thought it was an interesting representation of what it was like in those times in the

[00:14:21] 1880s and to see like Maddie because I feel like they were given good agency as women

[00:14:31] and also kind of representative of the time.

[00:14:33] And we see Maddie who suffering from an affliction that was pretty common in those days.

[00:14:39] And that's her addiction to that law, which is like an opiate and highly addictive.

[00:14:47] So I like that you could kind of see this.

[00:14:52] It looked to be probably at one time a good loving relationship between her and why it

[00:14:56] and because of her addiction how that's kind of declined and her coldness to him,

[00:15:02] you can kind of that's when you can kind of forgive his little flirtation with Josephine.

[00:15:08] A little bit and so I thought she did a really great job with her character and then like with

[00:15:18] Doc's girlfriend Kate, I think they called her big nose Kate.

[00:15:22] I don't know if I hear him.

[00:15:23] I don't think I heard him say it in the movie but historically that's how she was known.

[00:15:29] But Kate, you know she

[00:15:31] I think was an interesting representation of what it was like for women in that time where

[00:15:37] women had to depend on men to survive because there was no equal pay for women.

[00:15:42] I mean we saw we saw some suffragists,

[00:15:45] wasn't in tombstone that we saw some suffragists or was it in when they landed or not landed but

[00:15:51] arrived and was it Tucson, Arizona outside of tombstone but anyway.

[00:15:55] I always have the train station.

[00:15:57] Okay, yep.

[00:15:57] So when they saw the suffragists, it's just a reminder of women had no rights,

[00:16:02] couldn't vote, no equal pay and women really depend on the men in their life whether it be

[00:16:08] fathers or brothers or if they got married and had husbands to take care of them and make sure

[00:16:14] that they had food and shelter.

[00:16:16] And you can kind of see that a little bit with Kate who starts, you can see her getting fearful

[00:16:22] when Doc really gets sick after the gambling all nighter and he's visiting with the doctor

[00:16:29] and the doctors, you know given him all the really morbid news.

[00:16:32] You can really see that fear in her eyes, you know is to like what's going to happen to me.

[00:16:38] So and then with like the contrast like with Josephine who is able to be independent

[00:16:45] because her family is rich, you know she's like kind of not I don't want to say entitled but

[00:16:49] you know she just doesn't have those things to worry about, you know like she's checking out why

[00:16:52] and she's like I want one of those, you know, and she's able to kind of be free and not have

[00:16:57] those same kind of worries.

[00:16:58] So it was an interesting, you know representation of what it was like I think in that time.

[00:17:06] That's what I got out of here.

[00:17:07] Yeah, but also I to just kind of piggyback on you is my favorite wife out of all of them was

[00:17:15] Ali Ali-erp which was Virgil's wife.

[00:17:18] Yes, yes.

[00:17:18] I felt that Virgil and Ali had a really kind of an equal relationship with each other, you know

[00:17:27] and you can really see that in the very first night that they're there and he's like hey

[00:17:31] and why it's like hey Virgil are you going to come with us and she's like no he's coming off

[00:17:35] with me we're going to have some fun and he's like see you later like they definitely had a

[00:17:41] really strong marriage like you could really see that in the very limited time that we have

[00:17:48] with Ali and Virgil.

[00:17:50] You know I did a little bit of research on on Maddie-erp and she was a prostitute who

[00:17:59] got to know why it so you know knowing what we kind of know about, you know,

[00:18:06] ladies of the night in this era of time.

[00:18:09] You know they're pretty hard women that probably were already addicted to drugs just to kind of

[00:18:13] get through what they were doing and they probably didn't have as strong as a relationship seeing

[00:18:19] as why it probably felt that he saved her and you know why it you kind of see in this movie,

[00:18:26] why it does what why it wants whether he has his wife with him, his brothers with him like

[00:18:31] he doesn't really care.

[00:18:33] He just wants to live his life and he'll say that he's a family man but I think that he's more of a

[00:18:39] white man and that's about it you know.

[00:18:43] So you kind of saw immediately the strain on that relationship from the first moment when

[00:18:50] they're getting off the train.

[00:18:53] So I do think that I hope like you said Rima that they did have a once strong

[00:18:59] relationship but I think that this might have been like why it's like Hail Mary to see if maybe

[00:19:05] he can make this normal life work in tombstone.

[00:19:10] And Louisa Earp, Morgan's wife you really don't get much of her in this movie.

[00:19:19] You know but you know that they're young because Morgan is young so it's possible that they are

[00:19:25] newly married but if I were to look at all three of the wives I would definitely say that

[00:19:32] Allie Earp was kind of the leader of them and probably followed very closely with a sisterly

[00:19:39] relationship with Louisa. My guess is they tried with Maddie.

[00:19:47] So I'm not really sure they got too far.

[00:19:49] Yeah.

[00:19:52] It's for funny too because in IMDB they list her as Maddie Blaelock which is her

[00:19:57] regular name or the first gunner obviously.

[00:20:04] Yeah so it was told that they had a but they were common law that Maddie was the common law

[00:20:10] wife so my guess is why it never really made enough.

[00:20:14] I think she might have maybe went by that in maybe some circles you know

[00:20:21] but I don't yeah I don't it wasn't legal between them I believe it's just common law.

[00:20:26] So.

[00:20:26] Well she just wanted to keep her maiden name maybe.

[00:20:31] Sure that was happening back then.

[00:20:33] That is true.

[00:20:35] Well it's also you guys mentioned it too about the Brawls back then.

[00:20:39] That was a way for a lot of women had they for them to make money that's the only way

[00:20:44] for them to make money or to live now.

[00:20:48] They were toughened and like you said they probably had addictions as well but

[00:20:56] I do see that being overlooked a little bit but what they did you know show within the film

[00:21:04] between the lives and everything is that they were just objects except for Virgil's wife

[00:21:09] who was a little bit more in the know and caring which is good because she was more caring about

[00:21:17] the brothers the individuals and the ladies itself so I wish they would have touched on it a

[00:21:22] little bit more but the movie is pretty long as it is and they probably would have to

[00:21:28] because if you look at the movie every shot has something of action or interest that you get

[00:21:35] especially when boys come into town and they literally are starting a business

[00:21:43] and they just like that's their focus was literally to get into business and they wound up that

[00:21:48] that's why they opened up their own little casino and things of that nature and that's where it started

[00:21:55] you know of course with the Cowboys intervening which I really enjoyed because it showed

[00:22:01] because as a kid when you play Cowboys and Indians you always thought Cowboys are good guys

[00:22:04] and you needed to bad guys or you think the Cowboys are good but in this case it shows the truth

[00:22:12] to it Cowboys were outlaws they had a red sash on to prove to show that who they are so majority

[00:22:21] of the Cowboys back then were considered bad so over the years as we grew up in the with the

[00:22:30] spaghetti westerns and all that stuff we get that and yeah that's what I had to grow up on because

[00:22:35] my father loved those he loved Clint Eastwood he loved the Duke I grew up on that does yeah

[00:22:42] so I never really liked him until later on in life but you know with Trugrit when they remade

[00:22:47] that that's when I was like solidified in the sense because I loved young guns I love tombstone

[00:22:53] but Trugrit was great too yeah but yeah it showed basically the truth the Cowboys and a majority of

[00:23:01] it was outlaws I did like the fact that in in beginning of the movie when you have Robert Mitchell

[00:23:08] who is narrating kind of setting up the story for us and giving us that exposition of

[00:23:16] of kind of the background information of what we needed where he said that the Cowboys in this

[00:23:23] time is the earliest account we have of organized crime in America and I thought that that was

[00:23:29] really really interesting because a lot of us want to give that to the mafia in New York and we

[00:23:36] kind of forget that there was like this outlaw way of life in in the 1800s with you know the the

[00:23:44] western the western basically west west is is it's kind of like what was the wild west figure that

[00:23:53] outlawless and yeah yeah I was so stuck thank you so much but before we move on um I just wanted to

[00:24:04] say that Paula Melchamson who plays Ali Erp he is one of my like favorite character actresses I always

[00:24:10] know like you're gonna get something really good with her let she was in Sons of Anarchy she was

[00:24:15] in the Hunger Games she just pops up kind of everywhere and when she pops up I just think that she's

[00:24:20] always fantastic so I thought she was just I really wanted more of her yeah yeah yeah like a lot I

[00:24:27] wanted a lot more of her but going back to the the beginning of the movie with you know the setup

[00:24:33] and everything um you know it's interesting that we give all of these outlaws so much credit you know

[00:24:40] and so much we romanticize them so much you know we think about people like Jesse James and wild Bill and

[00:24:49] um all of those other outlaws and then you know you see why it or we know that he was a law man um

[00:24:57] dink early bill and what's that doc holiday as well yeah doc holiday

[00:25:03] now we is doc holiday an interesting guy oh that is correct uh it always makes me want to go back

[00:25:10] in time back in the 80s and maybe into the 90s they still at a time life books where you could

[00:25:17] bought a thing about the washers you know what they used to advertise on TV and that's how I

[00:25:24] literally was like oh that made me cut my interest because my father would make me suffer through

[00:25:28] these movies but uh I grew up on that he was like oh you and your sci-fi and your horror movies but

[00:25:34] you know it's like uh westerns my thing but my father would make I grew up literally watching

[00:25:39] that stuff too I had to so I got I got used to an admirer you know the Duke and all that but it makes

[00:25:45] me want to go back to that time I went those books I don't know if you guys remember that commercial

[00:25:51] I do no got a little age on either Kristen so yeah that's okay I gotta keep my ears and know it

[00:26:02] I have those timeline book books about history and stuff and the western was they actually had

[00:26:07] a whole section it's kind of like a little kiddie but like a history or something yeah yeah so I

[00:26:15] made me want to go it's like oh I could easily look that up no my stuff is online now that I have

[00:26:20] to go look at yeah it's all online I didn't grow up with westerns either with parents that liked

[00:26:25] westerns it was you know my mom was chick flicks and my dad was action movies and that was about it

[00:26:31] so this movie and that's what I really love love about this particular movie is that

[00:26:36] if you weren't a western fan you still loved this movie yeah yeah yeah I think is really

[00:26:42] important to remember is how they modernized this story in 1993 without actually modernizing it

[00:26:51] you know they packed the cast they made it action pack like you said Mark every single shot had

[00:26:57] intention every single shot had something to it and because of that quality that fast-paced

[00:27:03] quality and end the content that was in every minute of the movie you forgot really that you

[00:27:10] were watching a western and you just thought that you were watching a really good story um so I

[00:27:15] think that that's that's there's something to be said for that and why the movie has stuck

[00:27:18] for as long as it has to go point yeah I agree thank you that was one of my points I can cross it out

[00:27:26] there's a lot of key shots that I do love how they I pretty much how it all starts when the

[00:27:36] sheriff gets killed that night by William Brokiss or whatever his name is a brochures

[00:27:43] brochures like that's curly bill yeah and he was drunk and he was somewhere around his guns

[00:27:51] and that's really where it fell through and he was let go on a technicality goes well did you

[00:27:57] see it why apparently that's what the the Juds had said he goes no let me go so well doesn't make

[00:28:04] sense let him go then he let him out of prison well he's also it was also known to be an accident

[00:28:12] so um even the sheriff that got shot before he died he didn't die instantly in in in the historical

[00:28:20] context of it he did say this was a total accident he was giving he was giving his gun up and

[00:28:27] uh curly bill was even really regretful of it because he really liked the sheriff and he held

[00:28:32] him in high high esteem even though they were on opposite ends of the law so you know while we

[00:28:39] as an audience wanted curly bill to just you know go away and that that would be the end of curly

[00:28:45] bill unfortunately it wasn't accident and in that time accident didn't necessarily put you in jail so

[00:28:53] the sheriff was actually played by I think the fifth cousin of Wyatt Earp himself oh so he was

[00:29:00] supposed to be a much younger character the sheriff was like in his 20s or 30s but they got

[00:29:05] this actor because he was a distant relative to Wyatt Earp they had in the movie that's interesting

[00:29:13] okay that's pretty cool my uh my wonderful husband figured that one out

[00:29:22] go Dave he helps he helps me with print that's awesome which leads us to say you know even more so

[00:29:30] this is loosely based on true events for the fact that what you just gave so it shows that

[00:29:35] yeah they had to exaggerate it for film to give a better story and reason for

[00:29:42] why you get certain characters who's part of the gang like Johnny Ringo and how he is and

[00:29:52] how well you know Stephen Lang's Mike Linton all those characters are and then and introduce

[00:30:01] the McMasters and how they feel and how they stood by Wyatt but you still had that core group

[00:30:08] of characters where it was uh curly and he had uh Johnny Ringo and the rest of the crew especially

[00:30:16] the one that was forget it was he was drunk in the bar and it was just after the gun the gun law

[00:30:25] they put into place like you can't have them you could reclaim them after a certain point can't

[00:30:29] have them on you at all times and then you got virtual just knocking him out and that's literally

[00:30:35] what it was it's like the anger fuel it's like oh I wasn't I was in that disguise wasn't I

[00:30:42] so yeah yeah I hope you die I hope you die but you see the fear in his face at the okay girl

[00:30:52] I'm not armed I don't have a gun I don't have a gun don't shoot him if you're not gonna be

[00:30:57] on a go yeah he went from you're not gonna shoot often being a tough guy to like nearly piss in

[00:31:03] his pants you know a couple of times throughout the movie and I don't know I can't say I blame him

[00:31:08] especially you know because that yeah at that night when curly bill shot the sheriff and you know

[00:31:15] then all of a sudden here comes everybody right they're like you're not arresting him you're not

[00:31:18] taking him uh and then like yeah we are taking him he just shot the sheriff you know and they've got

[00:31:23] this whole show down in me when you know Kurt Russell puts that gun up to ix forehead and uh he's

[00:31:30] like he's you know in his brother he's like he's he's bluffing let's rush him and he's like no

[00:31:36] he's not bluffing you know and then that's what makes it so great you know we've talked about

[00:31:42] the performances and god Kurt Russell you know like I mean it's it's like like you were saying

[00:31:48] Kristen dark holiday uh Val Kilmer's um performance in in this is I mean it's just it's an absolute

[00:31:55] like that's what he's always gonna be known for I mean he's had so many great roles but I think

[00:31:59] that so many people would would would say that dark holiday is like one of their favorite movie

[00:32:03] characters well time for Jim Morrison for sure yeah for sure and ice man I mean it's so many

[00:32:09] like an everyone I'm sure has their favorite but I mean I think dark holiday his his portrayal

[00:32:14] of dark holiday definitely tops a lot of people's lists at least at least in the tops but I tell you

[00:32:18] you Kurt Russell you know also deserves just as much credit you know playing Wyatt Earp you know he

[00:32:25] he was so I think perfect for this role and man he just

[00:32:30] the look in his eye like you believe it like yeah he's gonna shoot your ass if you if you

[00:32:37] like if the wind blows a little too hard he's gonna do exactly what he just said

[00:32:42] I mean I didn't doubt it for a minute and his performance um there at the end after his family

[00:32:47] leaves on the train and everyone thinks he's gone and the Cowboys you know they're there's Kurt

[00:32:52] Russell and there's his buddies right behind him and he's like you know you tell him I'm coming

[00:32:58] I'm coming and hell's coming with me when he's when he yells that and is like voice cracks and

[00:33:03] everything like you're like oh shit um it's you know it's happening it's it's a wonderful

[00:33:10] performance I just think I love Kurt Russell and a half since I was a kid so yeah I thought it

[00:33:16] was um thought it was great so so yeah it was you know to see I go and like you're a ding dong you

[00:33:23] know why would you get a kiss? Wyatt Earp you know he is he has grizzled he has seen things um

[00:33:31] you know why why are you messing with him you know he's clearly not scared of you yeah

[00:33:36] yeah yeah you know the whole the chemistry that was between Kurt Russell and Val Kilmer

[00:33:43] was fantastic as well and any scene that they were in together was just a master class and how

[00:33:50] how to how to act yes um you know Kurt Russell was just he was almost like a sidekick to

[00:33:58] Val Kilmer when Val Kilmer was on the screen but the minute Val Kilmer left you know he was

[00:34:03] back in the leader he's a leader again but you know you never really got the whole like

[00:34:12] there wasn't a power struggle there wasn't a male ego thing between the two characters they were

[00:34:18] absolutely equals in every sense of the word throughout the whole movie and um you know I just

[00:34:25] loved the way that they played off of each other I love these two actors so much Rima just like you

[00:34:29] said I just think that both of them really threw themselves into the role and you can completely

[00:34:35] tell that it was this wonderful symbiotic relationship it did read that Val Kilmer actually moved

[00:34:41] into Kurt Russell's house for a lot of this shooting nice because they were editing they were

[00:34:49] rewriting uh Kurt Russell was directing um you know all the drama that was happening behind the scenes

[00:34:57] Kurt Russell you know really drove that force but Val Kilmer was right there with him supporting him

[00:35:03] and backing him up and um he said that Kurt Russell gave him all the good lines he had all the good

[00:35:09] lines and when you look at all the good lines of the movie he's right yeah that holiday has

[00:35:15] all of them yeah one of my favorites is when he goes oh well forgot you were there you may go

[00:35:21] oh I'm sorry Johnny you were there you were there you may go

[00:35:32] thank you just like such a huge like FU and like to just forget someone's actually just standing

[00:35:39] there um dismiss him yeah and you know that he never forgot yeah you know that he knew exactly

[00:35:45] where he was the whole time absolutely oh you're so right and and maybe that time that they had

[00:35:52] really resonated on screen I mean some folks just have that chemistry um but maybe that behind

[00:35:59] the scenes time that they spent really came across um you know when they were filming too I don't

[00:36:05] know maybe it was just there already just naturally but that was one of my favorite things of the film

[00:36:10] is the representation of doc and why it's friendship because you could really see as much as what

[00:36:17] why it loved like his family and his brothers and the links that they went to for each other

[00:36:24] and how loyal they were to each other and were there no matter what he had that same love

[00:36:30] for doc too and doc fiercely had that for why it and you could see that you know in in some of those

[00:36:39] great lines that you mentioned Kristen you know they're after the battle there the creek and

[00:36:44] you know um oh what's his name Johnson Texas Creek Johnson I think was his name said you know

[00:36:50] what the hell are you doing here you know doc you ain't got a skin in this fight I'm paraphrasing

[00:36:56] there and he's like why it up is my friend and he's like well I got lots of friends and doc said

[00:37:01] I don't you know and it and then when doc or when why it tells him right before they go to the okay

[00:37:08] corral and he's like you know doc you don't you don't have to go this isn't this isn't your fight

[00:37:15] and he goes that's a hell of a thing for you to say to me um and you can just see that hurt and him

[00:37:19] and why it's like oh damn I die you know don't know that he realized how much doc loved him

[00:37:25] you know and how much of a friend that maybe he was until that moment you know you could kind of see

[00:37:30] that that look on his face so I I loved how they really shined a lie on their friendship it was

[00:37:36] it was great to see from beginning to end when why it was there with him there at the end you

[00:37:40] know and in a doc's final moments it was it was it was great and you know that like this whole thing

[00:37:46] between uh and I don't want to go too deep into that but like um doc and johnny ringo and how similar

[00:37:53] they were um I think that relationship with why it is what kept doc from going like full johnny

[00:37:59] ringo oh yeah don't go to johnny yeah I feel that's what was keeping him from going full ringo is

[00:38:07] this relationship with that he had with why that's what I kept him straight yeah I think so yeah

[00:38:13] well it's interesting that you say that because I have in my notes that um I really feel like

[00:38:18] the the match up in this movie wasn't the irks versus the cowboys it was doc versus johnny ringo

[00:38:26] and um and it infrect me if I'm wrong but in my you know when I watch the movie johnny ringo was

[00:38:34] horrified to go one-on-one with doc holiday he felt that he could beat anybody except doc holiday

[00:38:41] I don't think he was he was confident in that so when he sees you know val uh

[00:38:47] val kill our christine when he sees doc holiday show up and says i'm your huckleberry which

[00:38:52] is everybody's favorite yes line line i had i drink out of my coffee mug this morning that said

[00:39:00] i'm your huckleberry just for this day oh no i'm perfect just for today um you know johnny ringo's

[00:39:07] like whoa whoa whoa whoa i said i wanted to meet why it not you and he's like well here i am we

[00:39:14] you know we still have a game to finish um and it was so easy for doc could to kill him it was so

[00:39:24] easy and i think that johnny always knew that if he ever had to go one-on-one with doc that he wasn't

[00:39:30] he wasn't gonna come out of that and knowing knowing that piece of information then you go back and

[00:39:35] you see that um that why it was like i can't beat him can i and so he knew that he was gonna be

[00:39:43] outmatched by johnny ringo but he was still gonna go so it really shows how to me it shows how much

[00:39:51] how talented and capable doc was that he was he outmatched johnny who outmatched why it so you know

[00:40:02] having and and this is how good he was dying of tuberculosis mm-hmm yeah you know so it's i just

[00:40:09] love how how very cool and understated uh the capability of of doc holiday is um and whenever he does

[00:40:21] do something it's it's almost nonchalant like it's not hard for him at all what um the the shootout

[00:40:29] at the okay carol and um and then ultimately him killing johnny ringo it's just none of it

[00:40:36] was hard for him what was hard was not dying of tuberculosis and that was it mm-hmm yeah so

[00:40:41] and val kilmer did that beautifully beautifully yeah all of my notes are about val kilmer so i'm

[00:40:48] sorry he deserves all the notes well the cool part too all right let's talk about that feud

[00:40:56] already uh we we you're already touched on it and gave wow such a great thought perspective on it uh

[00:41:03] johnny and doc and their collaboration those two and how they they worked off one

[00:41:10] in each other as well to me was perfect especially with johnny's doing a whole gun twirl thing in the

[00:41:17] the salute okay and doc's just sitting there he gets up there this is same exact thing

[00:41:23] with a coffee cup or a cup and he does the exact i mean if if if then you have to know if you

[00:41:30] obviously we'd love this film as much so we all i know i'm sure no but if no one else does you

[00:41:34] know he perfectly mimicked what ringo or michael being had done you know um and done his mimic

[00:41:41] perfectly with that cup so yeah it was as uh like christian does it dear with her hand in front of

[00:41:47] the disoom camera thing i don't know about you guys but this is something i regularly do like

[00:41:54] something that i'm not kidding when i say that this is one of my all-time favorite movies like

[00:41:58] david and i will we'll sit there and every once a while we'll be like

[00:42:02] do the movement just make it do the eyes or do the eyes you know what he goes back and forth

[00:42:07] these old bug-eyed so funny it's just so funny but i just love how intense michael being got with

[00:42:18] this particular character you know i just give a lot of love to him and he uh if you listen

[00:42:24] to really want to get into him and deep dive into uh michael being michael rozenbaum actually uh

[00:42:34] did an inside of you episode with michael being and it was amazing so i highly recommend it they

[00:42:40] do touch on and talk about tombstone the issues that were going on within the particular film

[00:42:46] itself uh as christian when you said that uh curt russell got involved with behind

[00:42:53] like setting up and writing that i didn't know that so at that that that that was news to me but

[00:43:00] i i love the fact that they you state that that's already written obviously it obviously was

[00:43:05] notated somewhere and somebody had said something but it's still in i m db if you look at the credits

[00:43:11] it says directed by george p cosmodos and kevin joe he said he did not want his name on it at all

[00:43:19] yeah he was yeah he said he he would he would take over directing and he would help with the

[00:43:24] production but he didn't want his name on it at all like he wanted to be supportive to the director but

[00:43:29] the the studio would not give the new director any time to look at what had already been shot

[00:43:36] look at the script catch up so during that transition curt russell was the sole reason why there

[00:43:43] was any transition from one director to the other director which you know just and he sacrificed

[00:43:48] his own part he sacrificed his own scenes um and he also said you know instead of making this you

[00:43:55] know this longer movie about all the relationships and the characters like let's just streamline it

[00:44:00] and focus mainly on doc holiday and why it urps friendship and go from there and i thought that

[00:44:08] that was a really good decision i agree i also did like the side characters that were in there

[00:44:14] in the side stories obviously with where we have uh billy zane as mr fabian and in the the group

[00:44:25] that comes into traveling group of entertainers and having to do with cowboys at the time when

[00:44:30] you know they're shooting up the play stay have their guns in in theater and you have uh jason

[00:44:35] priestly character of all things loving on this loving the character now i'm i'm back then i thought

[00:44:44] okay it's just somebody who just loves the theater in arts but a lot of my friends that go i was

[00:44:49] like no i think he was homosexual and like mm-hmm i i didn't really think that back then i don't know

[00:44:55] i maybe it was may but i did enjoy that but it was also a way for them to introduce Dana delineas

[00:45:02] character for uh Josephine so that way that way could be a budding interest for urp itself but uh

[00:45:11] the weird thing of how they kind of easily dispatched billy zane's character at the end

[00:45:16] in one scene it's like oh he's dead why what happened well he told him uh i'm

[00:45:23] paraphrasing he called them a bunch of cowards or something and then they killed him

[00:45:29] so it was their way of trying to get rid of them and then you know priestly's character changes his

[00:45:34] tune and wants to be with the herbs and continue on with that and then uh yeah which changed everything

[00:45:43] too so i thought that pretty cool i thought that it was really cool that they had this um

[00:45:50] this low key like possible gay romance in the background you know especially in 1993 for a western

[00:45:57] movie i thought it was really progressive and it wasn't like in your face it wasn't anything that was

[00:46:02] like hey look at us we're doing like a homosexual anything it was just it was just a part of the

[00:46:07] movie a part of the story you know and i thought that that was really great and you could interpret it

[00:46:12] however you want i mean just like you said mark you know you didn't really notice that i remember

[00:46:16] i noticed it when i was younger because well only because my dad is kind of a homophobic and so

[00:46:24] i don't think that he made some kind of under putt comment on it and i remember i was just like okay

[00:46:29] who cares um but um i do like the fact that jason priestly's jason priestly's character has this

[00:46:37] really cool arc and he's such a minor character but they gave him a really neat arc um to go from

[00:46:44] you know kind of this follower of uh sheriff beat beat behan yeah behan yeah behan yeah um thank you

[00:46:53] into somebody who understood that he had gotten off track and he was on kind of like the wrong side

[00:47:00] of the law um and he was kind of jolted into it when this man that he that he loved i mean whether

[00:47:07] it was one sided or they had a relationship or anything like that i mean he loved this man

[00:47:12] and he was like no i sometimes you need that sometimes you just need that person that you know joltz

[00:47:20] you back into um doing what's right and i did like that little little part i thought that it was

[00:47:26] a really nice touch in the movie to give it a little bit more depth and a little bit uh more

[00:47:30] modernization like i talked about earlier i agree same here what do you think about the fact that

[00:47:37] val kielmer was not nominated for an obscure for this role because i'd i'd like to talk about that

[00:47:43] first one second i think it's one of the greatest injustices ever because if anyone deserved to be

[00:47:51] nominated for a role yeah it was that role so so i looked up who was nominated that year did any of

[00:48:00] you do that i remember seeing it come across but i didn't make a listing of it so yeah so nominated

[00:48:06] that year was martin landau for edwood chaz paulmentary for bullet sober broadway

[00:48:13] hall sco field for quiz show samuel eljaxon for pulp fiction and gary cene's for four scum

[00:48:19] um so the winner was martin landau for edwood and i was thinking why couldn't we have fit val kielmer in here

[00:48:31] it was kind of like a giveaway in my opinion if he's thinking about it it was like let's just give

[00:48:35] it to martin landau because he's been around so long and he hasn't gotten an Oscar so it was

[00:48:40] kind of like here where he's gonna hand this to you finally now i'm not saying or trashing his work on

[00:48:47] edwood at that time he played a great belilagosi but adding in val kielmer they could have they could

[00:48:54] have done away with another person that was in my opinion you read them off and i'm like wait a minute

[00:49:01] that will be but gary cene's i can understand i could uh i could have a picture i see same

[00:49:08] jaxon pulp fiction he's amazing yeah i never felt like a show no quick show is like yeah it's heralded

[00:49:14] as a really good movie but it never was my hey i'm just gonna go out and run and go see that movie

[00:49:20] no i didn't go see it's i saw it on hbl once and i was like this is okay yeah i remember i never

[00:49:28] watched it but i remember hearing about it like you know as being of the kind of a bigger movie at that

[00:49:32] time and kind of having some nominations but i i'm like i don't know who are we still talking about

[00:49:38] today what val kielmer's dot-call it a so yeah i'm just saying no disrespect to any other you know

[00:49:47] candidates and nom you know nominees and winners but i'm just like yeah at least get him in the

[00:49:53] category and at least show the respect of this character and the work that went into it and what

[00:49:59] he put into it um and and give the man a nomination because it's it's a travesty in my opinion i

[00:50:08] think that's really is talked about often is how he was kind of robbed of at least an nomination if

[00:50:12] not a win yeah i think that if you have any conversation with any movie buff at all and you talk

[00:50:19] about the biggest snubs over the course of of oscar history this is the first this is one of

[00:50:24] the first things that people will talk about yeah absolutely yeah absolutely i agree yeah

[00:50:31] yeah i've mentioned it many times over the years as far as i'm right there with you kerson this

[00:50:35] definitely a talk movie for me and definitely stand out with so many of the you know we've talked

[00:50:40] about the cast and and how great the performances were but i mean there was just something special

[00:50:45] about val kielmer's performance i mean it wasn't just good it was like divine it was like something

[00:50:50] otherworldly you know that he put into this i mean he he perfectly captured in my opinion you know

[00:50:57] doc holiday his calm demeanor but there was under this calm demeanor he had this level of volatility

[00:51:04] and a little bit of viciousness that was just there under the surface the whole time and it was

[00:51:09] this quiet violent nature that made him so deadly you know uh kielmer's version of doc holiday

[00:51:18] and of course you know val kielmer you know he was perfectly cast because he's also he has like this

[00:51:25] he's kind of a bit of a smart elec himself so he kind of brought that to the doc holiday role where he's

[00:51:29] you know uh and then he delivers it in that amazing southern draw oh jeez you know i mean

[00:51:37] it's perfect it just absolutely perfect that was all val kielmer too like he studied where

[00:51:43] he grew up in the south and so he said he needs he needs that uh hoity toyty southern accent

[00:51:49] because he was doc holiday was a southern gentleman aristocrat yes you know he the he and so yeah

[00:51:58] that's he he took from that i know he worked with a dialect coach that the kind of helped and

[00:52:02] you know kind of you know um and then like the lines they pulled lines that that really happened

[00:52:07] he really did say i'm your huckleberry or daisy if you do you know i mean that's one of my favorites

[00:52:13] i say that so often and you don't know how much it hurts my heart when someone doesn't catch that

[00:52:19] and doesn't you know um it hurts because i'm like how can you not um but anyway um you know he they

[00:52:25] pulled real lines and he just again the the delivery and the work and how hard he went into the role

[00:52:35] it's makes me sad yeah that he didn't get nominated or win

[00:52:40] yeah i like his improvised wink uh at the shootout at the okay corral that was completely

[00:52:48] improvised it was not something he was supposed to do which is interesting because that's what

[00:52:52] sets off the whole gunfire at the end yeah you know in the middle of it yeah it's the one thing

[00:52:58] where time is hidden church that's when he gets squirrely and then yeah and then why it goes oh

[00:53:05] shit that's when everything turns really quick doc was just bored that day and was just looking

[00:53:14] forward to a good good gunfight you know yeah with the shotgun he showed up with the shotgun he didn't

[00:53:19] show off with pistols at that point i love it when he shrugs off the jacket too yeah it's so great

[00:53:25] so great do you think uh there's a theory and i i don't know i i haven't looked historically into it

[00:53:32] but what i read i thought was really interesting um that when they all went to the okay corral and

[00:53:40] they knew that they had their guns are gonna go disarmed the cowboys right that was their that was

[00:53:43] their mission they the theory is that they weren't really going to like their intent was not to kill

[00:53:50] the the cowboys it was just to go disarmed them i mean they had to have weapons um to be able to

[00:53:55] do that but they gave doc the shotgun because he isn't as proficient with a shotgun it was told

[00:54:02] i think that he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with a shotgun but he was extremely like

[00:54:08] clearly a pistol ear right like we saw how talented and how quick he was he was very well known for

[00:54:14] being um a very quick draw very talented with the guns but with a shotgun forget it and then uh

[00:54:21] why it and one of his brothers i i had thought i had been or read that they had worked for the pony express

[00:54:29] and worked on stage coaches so and you know in protecting them so they would always have shotguns

[00:54:35] so they were very um like uh they could handle shotguns and they were very they done very well with

[00:54:41] them but they weren't as good like doc anyway um with their pistols so they had pistols

[00:54:47] so it kind of like they went in like with the with the weapons that they weren't as proficient in

[00:54:52] i guess so that was like a sign that they weren't really going to like kill them it was just to

[00:54:57] disarm them and you know kind of keep the peace so i don't know i thought that was kind of interesting

[00:55:02] um you know i don't know if that's true or not but i just throwing it out there when you see it how

[00:55:08] it all goes down yeah that's an interesting theory i like that theory because that makes sense that

[00:55:14] they that they were going there to kind of put a stock to everything instead of killing everybody

[00:55:21] which would have brought more money. Yeah, they purposely handicapped themselves in order to uh get

[00:55:25] what they needed to be done which was disarmed the guys so it's basically i if the other

[00:55:31] if the cowboys knew or were knowledgeable of this they would realize oh okay your your guy you guys

[00:55:37] aren't here really to slaughter us right but of course twitchy McGee goes doesn't like to be

[00:55:44] whipped at yeah Thomas Aden Church you know i dropped it ever if alkimer was winking at me so

[00:55:52] yeah i know i'd be like okay you in put me in handcuffs now thank you

[00:56:03] uh one character added a blue which was kind of like an offsetting it was i think it was during

[00:56:09] the time when they were trying to get away or find some sort of salvation during the hunt

[00:56:15] they meet up with Henry Hooker yeah what a i remember watching that for the first time i was like

[00:56:22] holy shit they got trolled at his time the biggest gun advocate back then

[00:56:28] yeah president of the nRA yeah but even just that one little quick scene of giving help to

[00:56:39] the herbs which was pretty cool yeah it was a nice good cameo that we got

[00:56:46] um one thing that really upset me and you'll laugh rucker him as Sherman McMaster's getting killed

[00:56:55] purposely yeah what about my end of film yeah i was just like uh

[00:57:00] yeah and like it's such a cruel way to uh yeah dehumanizing cruel yeah kind of way yeah

[00:57:10] it's funny because when you look into the quotes from on imdb from this movie there's a lot of

[00:57:18] quotes in there or like little passages in there that look like it was from deleted scenes

[00:57:23] because there's one excuse me in particular from with McMaster's where um it looks like they did film

[00:57:33] a scene of him dying because it seems to be a conversation between him and either johnny ringo

[00:57:40] or curly bill about why he left the cowboys um and then it i don't have it pulled up or i would just

[00:57:48] say it right now but um it it looks like that was probably a scene that they maybe filmed or was in

[00:57:55] the original script on um the lead up to his death because it did look like somebody like

[00:58:00] like really did a number on him like his face was unrecognizable about um to me i mean when

[00:58:06] they dropped him when they dropped him off at hookers ranch and then they ran off they're like oh

[00:58:11] they got McMaster's yep it really he looked i i'm so glad they said they got McMaster's

[00:58:17] because i'm like yeah yeah i was like i don't know who that's supposed to be so i'm glad yeah it's

[00:58:23] like we gotta tell me why why are we worried about this yeah the first of the first case because there's

[00:58:28] so many people yeah i am McMaster's i have died he's not wearing a uh higher my name is you know

[00:58:35] tag on the shirt yeah well the only time that you actually get that solidified is in the very

[00:58:40] beginning when McMaster's they write up him and two other guys and they said they were with

[00:58:48] white and he just throw down their red sashes yeah that's when he goes oh i thought McMaster's

[00:58:53] since uh it's of you guys don't turn your back on each other you go no i don't care um

[00:59:00] it's not right and he knew because it was when they attacked his brothers yeah the women

[00:59:06] when they came in and shot up the women yeah yeah they came in and did that and i'm glad that

[00:59:10] they said that because i don't and maybe it was in the scenes that were cut like you talked about

[00:59:14] Kristen i haven't um there's a director's cut and i don't think i've seen it which is shocking to

[00:59:21] me because i'm like i've watched this movie how many times a year every year since the first time

[00:59:26] with the commercial that's true you don't get the director's cut on commercial and i don't own it uh

[00:59:31] but i guess i need to because i hear there's a director's cut and there's probably i'm sure like

[00:59:35] if you have the DVD uh there's you know all the deleted scenes and things like that because i think

[00:59:40] that would have helped because the last time that we see McMaster's is when josey or josephine i

[00:59:44] keep calling her josey josephine and her crew stop to you know like water their horses take a break

[00:59:49] all those kinds of things and they're um and then he's out there uh having helped water the horses

[00:59:54] and get them you know ready to get back on the road so then we went from that was the last time we

[00:59:59] actually saw him on screen to all of a sudden he's being dragged behind this horse so i'm like well you

[01:00:03] gotta tell me who this is because why are we you know there was no we had a little

[01:00:07] missing piece there. Like McMaster's was back at the ranch yeah like how did they get him

[01:00:11] yeah cuz they're like oh they got McMaster's and like when when did they get McMaster's where did he

[01:00:16] like missing a piece of the puzzle so i'm glad that they yes said that because i'm like i wouldn't

[01:00:20] have known who who that was so yeah we were missing a little something there. Well the setting

[01:00:25] up with continuity at that point so no this is what happened. Well i think that was where there

[01:00:30] were just some things you know that they either cut because yes the movie was already kind of running

[01:00:34] long we know Kurt Russell uh when we had the the drama with when director leaving and like you said

[01:00:40] Kristen the other director i think they gave him like two days of prep maybe to join the film and

[01:00:45] get it going. He cut like 20 pages of like of the script in dialogue and like said at the sacrifice

[01:00:52] of his own character and lines um you know to win the trust i guess of the cast and things to help

[01:00:58] keep things moving along so i don't know if that was a part of it i'm not i'm not sure but yeah there

[01:01:03] was a little bit of a like continuity thing there but it's okay. I wanted to get talked to Kurt Russell

[01:01:07] about that. I wish i could talk about that. There's a quote there's a quote in this article that

[01:01:13] i have up here um right now that he talks about what he did to win over his castmates like he said

[01:01:19] remine he said he goes quote there's a lot of great stuff in tombstone great actors who were in a very

[01:01:24] difficult situation who i bought their trust by cutting myself out of the movie as an actor

[01:01:30] there's stuff in that original script that if you were ever to read it you'd go oh oh oh we need

[01:01:36] to lose 20 pages heaven would never lose the 20 pages he would never lose it so once he was gone

[01:01:42] there's only one way i'm gonna get the trust of these actors and that is to cut myself out of this

[01:01:46] god damn movie and make some other changes make why it an aura character. I saved most of everybody

[01:01:52] else's stuff to do. I knew what i needed from the character and the terms of the movie in terms

[01:01:57] of making the movie work but it wasn't fun to do that it wasn't fun to cut out the reasons you

[01:02:03] wanted to do the movie so he made he made some big sacrifices for this movie and still i mean

[01:02:10] he still comes out like yeah he still comes out as like one of the lead actors in it and you know

[01:02:17] that because based on everybody knows why it hurt. Yeah but he just he just stands out as a character

[01:02:24] anyway in it and that's not as motivational because i still think that's that's sam Elliott that

[01:02:30] that's fragile. Yeah for sure oh totally yeah and and i think sam Elliott no matter what he does even if

[01:02:36] he's on the family guy is the mayor of kohog he is still that that cowboy. He always did that.

[01:02:43] That's great. That's great. If even even in the movie mask he still had the long hair and the

[01:02:51] mustache. I love that movie but yeah he was riding a motorcycle. Love him so much. I just love that.

[01:02:56] Yeah i love it. I'm really wondering if they kept the 20 pages in if it would have still been

[01:03:05] as good of a movie because i think without all that extra and hurt Russell's amazing. I love him

[01:03:12] and everything. I love him a Santa Claus. I mean he's great but if you're taking out you know as

[01:03:20] Kurt Russell said eight reasons to do the movie 20 pages of Wyatt Earp i feel that you might lose

[01:03:28] that ensemble. Yeah feeling of the movie which i think we all love so much about this movie is

[01:03:34] it's a true ensemble effort. Yeah so you know who knows who knows that's a really good point

[01:03:43] and i think what's great is because because Kurt Russell even with what he because it's i don't

[01:03:49] feel like he really because i don't know what was lost or what was cut because it was in the in

[01:03:54] the script and i'm guessing never filmed so maybe we'll never see that but i feel like there's

[01:04:00] still enough Kurt Russell is Wyatt Earp as a very strong character it's him and his family is

[01:04:06] definitely at the center of things but at the same time and like to your point Kristen you know

[01:04:10] this being such an ensemble effort it gives everyone room to shine. Everyone's performances get

[01:04:16] to get to shine here you know Val Kilmer Sam Elliott Bill Paxton freaking Bill Paxton is amazing

[01:04:22] and how is Booth? And i've had a crash on Pares Booth since way back there was a film with him and

[01:04:29] Rucker Howard it was called a breed apart 1984 that i was just hooked on Pares Booth so i loved

[01:04:35] everything that he does i just i love his presence i think his performance as Curly Bill was amazing

[01:04:41] Michael Bain and then you had some of the smaller characters even though they were smaller characters

[01:04:47] and not as many lines and as many scenes everyone had a great performance i think it gave everyone

[01:04:52] room to shine. So maybe just based off that it was probably maybe the best thing because

[01:04:59] that's what we have today and we all love it so much so many people love it so much

[01:05:04] even after all this time. Yeah even characters that didn't have dialogue look at John Corbett

[01:05:09] yeah he just kind of get a lot. He was just there just to face he was at the okay corral too

[01:05:17] and you know it's just like we just ran away but and you see him later on too when you know

[01:05:24] when Kurt Russell as wider goes through that whole walking on water and he's shooting the shotgun at

[01:05:32] at the cowboys you see his face and he runs again. Yeah Johnny Barnes he's he that was his

[01:05:38] character it was Johnny Barnes so yeah he might have had one line at the birdcage theater when

[01:05:44] they were putting on the play and the cowboys were in the audience i think he had like one line i

[01:05:48] don't remember exactly what it was but he was just always kind of yeah in the background but still

[01:05:52] great performances from everyone. Billy Bob Thornton holy hell this was like just a few years before

[01:05:58] sling blade for crying out loud and his whole did you all know that his whole performance was ad-libbed

[01:06:05] i believe amazing right yeah like all they said was is you're a bully a dick yeah you're a bully to

[01:06:10] why you're a bully and he just ad-libbed that entire thing and i'm like can we just you know and

[01:06:15] you kind of forget he was even there like it took me years before I've really understood like

[01:06:21] like it hit me like oh my god that's Billy Bob Thornton holy shit. He was in charge of the casino before

[01:06:27] they actually created the casino i think right he was the dea. Yeah the original yeah the original

[01:06:32] okay the original yeah Johnny Tyler. There you go. Doc when do you get in town? I'm new man

[01:06:43] that whole interruption again i just want to say i just need to go watch it again the whole

[01:06:47] damn thing is just so great. All right folks we're just gonna play it and you can hear the audio

[01:06:51] no i'm just kidding. Yeah we'll be communicating with the whole thing you know like we do a live

[01:06:56] commentary on film back in the day when and they might still do it because i don't have about a

[01:07:00] DVD in a long time but remember when you said by a DVD and you'd have the commentary i felt like

[01:07:04] there's no reason we need to do that. I have it i actually do have the DVD version

[01:07:08] it's either running commentary while we're watching it people would love that. People would love to do that

[01:07:13] so far off to this podcast will be a YouTube video of us doing the exact same thing.

[01:07:19] However if you want to listen to the actors do it go watch it.

[01:07:27] We will be reciting the entire movie.

[01:07:30] Oh that line's coming up i have to say it. I'm that annoying person when it comes to tombstone

[01:07:36] i'll be like you know right before they say it i'm saying it i'm like i love this movie in quote

[01:07:42] so much. Yeah and anything that i think that doc holiday says it's just so awesome. What

[01:07:50] act whatever do you mean? Maybe i know let's have a spelling contest.

[01:07:58] Maybe poker isn't your game.

[01:08:03] But the one line is that you do get out of this this movie is amazing too especially from doc

[01:08:09] you said it before. It's like i love it because it appears my hypocrisy.

[01:08:14] No, there's no bounds right to why it. Oh and when there my hypocrisy only goes so far yeah

[01:08:22] well after he kills Johnny Ringo. Oh gosh yeah and anyways sorry go on.

[01:08:27] No you're fine. Well and when you were just talking about the line you know maybe we should have

[01:08:31] a spelling contest you know it's that same night and he um you know they're like oh maybe

[01:08:36] she'd go home doc and he's like i have not yet begun to defile myself. I think i'm probably better

[01:08:43] that line of time or two when i've had one too many and my friends are like i think it's time

[01:08:48] for you to go to bed it's time for you to call it a night i've not yet come away myself

[01:08:54] that's just be our lines now every single time right you should just remember that from here on out

[01:09:00] yeah i mean you know when he does the um when doc and Johnny have their shot glass gun showdown

[01:09:12] and then they have that conversation in Latin yes i just really love it that you know we all

[01:09:17] know that doc holiday is completely drunk he's out of his mind he's you know usually pricey and double

[01:09:24] but he still knows his Latin he sure does you know he can he's a very educated smart calculating

[01:09:32] character um and that never goes away and i and you really got a you know hand it to val Kilmer

[01:09:40] because he plays a complete drunk a complete waste of space yet at the same time lethal absolutely

[01:09:47] lethal it's just great he doesn't actually you're absolutely right i cannot agree

[01:09:53] anymore uh yeah he he still retains his wit his smarts and he is just still as deadly even completely

[01:10:02] as he's like falling to the ground you know yeah drunk and sick like you said you made a good point

[01:10:07] he's also extremely sick with tuberculosis you know and and he doesn't let it stop him do you know

[01:10:14] what that Latin translation is did you guys ever look at uh i do i have it yeah i have it right here

[01:10:22] don't worry guys i got i got i got i want to okay you do it then you do it oh well so doc says

[01:10:29] it because he starts it he says when i drink i speak my mind ringo do what you do best

[01:10:36] doc comes back i don't believe drinking is what i do best

[01:10:41] ringo says fools have to learn by experience and then doc ends it with it's your funeral

[01:10:49] mm-hmm oh dang

[01:10:51] i want in vino veritas like as a t-shirt i just i went where that all the time that's his when

[01:10:57] i drink i speak my mind i love it that's what i want so everybody should have yeah yeah

[01:11:04] yeah rest in peace meaning it's your funeral

[01:11:09] i love it come on boys we don't want to need trouble not any language doc holiday evidently

[01:11:13] mr. ringo's an educated man yeah now i really hate him yeah that look on his face when he

[01:11:21] after he utters his first line and ringo comes back and he's just like huh you know like interesting

[01:11:28] and i think that's when we equally match yeah i think that's when he sees that

[01:11:32] they're they're kind of the same kind of the same in where again that relationship i think that

[01:11:39] he he has with with why it is what keeps him from being full full johnny ringo johnny ringo's

[01:11:45] interesting character as well because he just seems like doc he knows he's a walking dead man

[01:11:52] and i think you know that's why he can be as brazen as what he is especially like the okay

[01:11:56] corral when he realizes he's out of ammo and the cowboys holding the gun at him and he's like

[01:12:01] i've got you now and he holds his arms and it's like you're daisy if you do you know he just

[01:12:06] because i think if because i don't think he wanted to die the way that he did i think they're at

[01:12:12] the end when he's looking at his bare feet and he's like oh look at that you know um because i think

[01:12:18] he expected especially with a life that he led and everything that he had seen or done that that's

[01:12:23] how he expected to go out was with his boots on and he's looking at his bare feet and he's like oh this

[01:12:28] is not what i expected so i think that's if he was gonna go he wanted to die that way versus being

[01:12:33] in a sick bed you know then why he i think often didn't want to go to a sanitarium because that's

[01:12:39] not how he wanted to go out um so he knew he was a walking dead man and i think johnny ringo was

[01:12:44] a character that was so bored with life like he just looked like he was just over it um and the

[01:12:51] only excitement he ever got in life was like his banter with um early in this movie um with doc

[01:13:00] and the game and the dance he he was just so over and bored with everything and i think doc said

[01:13:06] it really well like she's got this hole inside of him you can't fill it you know no matter what he

[01:13:10] does no matter how many people he kills um and you can just feel that doc resonates kind of the same

[01:13:18] same same feelings yeah they both understood each other really well um which is probably why they

[01:13:24] hated each other because they saw in each other what they hated about themselves yeah right so

[01:13:32] that i i love everything that you just said because i think that that's really that spot on

[01:13:37] totally true and i do think that you're you're very um very correct about why it keeping doc kind

[01:13:45] of a straight narrow because you see before he links back up with with why it um you know he

[01:13:53] wins all the poker games and then he just like cleans out the whole place as well at the end

[01:13:58] he's like all you know you take all your money yeah so without why it keeping him honest i really think

[01:14:04] that you know especially with big nose Kate and you know she was definitely not a good influence

[01:14:09] she wasn't a name at all to the yeah extreme yeah she was yeah that he he could have definitely

[01:14:17] gone the johnny wringo path for sure yeah and actually it was needed in the film to have doc

[01:14:24] heaven antagonist of his own to propel the story i think uh i don't think that's in history where he

[01:14:32] he had something like that i don't think it was johnny wringo i think that was just something

[01:14:36] created for the film but it worked for the for the fact that it gave doc a little bit more of a spotlight

[01:14:44] and yeah it gave him a little bit more of an introspective of about himself

[01:14:49] what's going on and you know what he how he really feels about himself and then kind of shadows

[01:14:55] on the uh decide of where he's with uh loving why it and why it redeeming him

[01:15:03] mm-hmm because that's what we see at the end too yeah it was there's like two love stories in this film

[01:15:09] you know i think with why it in doc which was amazing uh and uh then with him and him and Josephine

[01:15:16] they ended it with him and Josephine but yeah that was i love seeing that i love i don't know i'm like

[01:15:23] i i want a friend like doc holiday you know yeah i think that there have been times where i

[01:15:31] have been the doc holiday friend you know you're my doc holiday christian you're my writer guy

[01:15:37] there was probably there was probably a couple of times you know in my life where they're like oh

[01:15:42] christian yeah i i think she should go home she's not gonna go home she's gonna keep going she's

[01:15:49] gonna keep pushing the envelope as far as possible

[01:15:56] funny um so if we could switch over to morgan a little bit sure um

[01:16:04] um i i really love the way that bill paxon played morgan as just this younger brother who

[01:16:12] completely worshipped and idolized his older brothers and he definitely didn't want to be caught

[01:16:17] in the middle of them arguing um you could see that it really pained them um you know he

[01:16:26] at the very beginning of the movie when they're walking and i don't know if it was at the very

[01:16:30] beginning it was like their first night when they're just walking before they all kind of split

[01:16:34] off for the evening to go to the bar to go to uh go home and he says uh he says something about

[01:16:41] right before you die you're supposed to see a light and i think that that's really great and

[01:16:46] you know he gets really introspective and they're all like whatever you're stupid you know

[01:16:50] you're here to stupid little boy and um you know when you know the whole story you know that this is

[01:16:57] huge foreshadowing of his own death you know because and it comes back when he dies when he says

[01:17:03] i i can't see a damn thing um yeah you know which really that whole death scene is just really brutal

[01:17:10] i mean trying to dig the bullet out of his back you know why it why it sitting there on the pool table

[01:17:15] just trying to keep him you know talking and keep him going and um you know morgan knows that he's dying

[01:17:23] it just the whole that whole scene is just it's heart wrenching because you know that this is

[01:17:29] the younger brother that only got involved in this because he wanted to be like his brothers he

[01:17:35] wanted to be you know why it had this great reputation i mean everywhere you went everybody knew

[01:17:40] who his big brother why it hurt was and Virgil was was the sheriff of the town and and he was obviously

[01:17:47] this great law man and you know he was just morgan he was morgan or he didn't he didn't have

[01:17:52] this huge reputation so he wanted to make that for himself and you know i just think that his

[01:17:59] his personality wasn't to be his brothers it was to be himself and it's sad that he never got

[01:18:05] to realize that in in his life and it was portrayed really nicely by bill pexton oh yeah

[01:18:12] agree it was always bill pexton ask and whatever he does if you think about it too because there was

[01:18:21] a it was there was like a whole dialogue in the um when we're playing pool one time

[01:18:29] now i'm watching it watch it and i'm like i see other characters that he's used this like kind of

[01:18:35] manorism dean how he inflicts with his voice and the way he says his dialogue and i'm like right

[01:18:43] away it's like that's Hudson from aliens and i'm like oh that's that character from near dark which

[01:18:51] was uh kind of like a southern cowboy because he had boots as well and even always a vampire

[01:18:59] yeah but yeah all right people pexton i like it when he fits when he's

[01:19:04] he spits his tobacco after Virgil does like Virgil does it really like non nonchalant and so

[01:19:11] Morgan it's almost like Morgan like looks over he's like oh yeah me too

[01:19:18] little brother you know mimicking copying the older brothers that he looks up to yeah

[01:19:24] like little moments like that i loved those yeah well and and that's why i think the casting

[01:19:32] was so brilliant you know with with everyone that they have you know that uh play play these roles

[01:19:39] i mean whoever was in charge of that i didn't go back that far but i mean it's absolutely brilliant

[01:19:44] like Kurt Russell who's like an an everyday guy right with this blue collar background it's it's

[01:19:50] like who Kurt Russell is so he's like perfect in the role for Wyatt irks sam Elliott you know who's

[01:19:55] got this um he's kind of reserved and troubled wisdom you know to him and he's like that's that same

[01:20:03] Elliott right that's just him and so that it perfectly models into Virgil erp and then

[01:20:09] Bill Paxton as Morgan like you were saying Kristen and and you know his character in the movie

[01:20:14] he's got this like relatable apprehension you know he's kind of like i don't know what i'm kind of

[01:20:20] doing here so it kind of looks as brothers you know to kind of lead the way and well i'm just

[01:20:25] gonna do what they're gonna do and kind of like whenever you know because Wyatt the entire time's

[01:20:29] like i'm not wearing a freaking badge anymore i'm i'm retired i'm done with all of this and you

[01:20:34] know Virgil's finally got into the point where you know he can't take it anymore he can't stand in

[01:20:39] justice of the town he sees you know mark you were talking earlier about little moments in the film

[01:20:44] that were very purposeful and i think one of those for Virgil was when uh they're kind of

[01:20:49] running down the streets of tombstone and he grabs that little boy and grabs him out of the way of being

[01:20:54] like whenever yeah and he sees that mom grabbed the boy and he's like i think in that moment he's

[01:20:59] thinking nobody's looking after anybody in this town and i think that he feels he has to do that

[01:21:04] no one's doing that i have to do that and um with all the injustices that's going on he's taking

[01:21:10] on that role so then Morgan you know as Wyatt's in their arguing with with Virgil and he and

[01:21:15] Morgan just kind of slowly opens his coat and sees it he's been deputized he's kind of like uh

[01:21:21] just trying to do what i thought you would you would do you know yeah more like

[01:21:26] and kind of thing it's just the everything about bill paxon was so in this role and played

[01:21:30] Morgan just perfectly you know yeah he literally states it though too Wyatt though stating it's like

[01:21:37] well Wyatt your brother you got to back up your brother's plays you know yeah he kind of just

[01:21:44] flat-out said it and then it takes Wyatt the next level to get to that point to basically follow through

[01:21:54] you know and just like with uh i love it with uh doc because he steals Wyatt's badge too to go

[01:22:00] do this thing with Johnny so it's like he's like he i'm not deputy top he's like making a look

[01:22:05] like he was deputy top his butt he just literally just stole his friend's badge doing he had to do

[01:22:11] with it protecting him but i love it that he did that though yeah and i don't think that um

[01:22:18] that doc had any intention of taking credit for that at all which is why you know he put the badge

[01:22:24] on top and he was going to like kind of Homer Simpson him way his way like right out of there and yeah

[01:22:31] you know it i i love all of that you know that this wasn't for something he wanted to

[01:22:36] take credit for you know he already knew he could kill him he just wanted to kill him there's like

[01:22:40] we need to get rid of you well and i think again stepping in for Wyatt because he

[01:22:45] he didn't he knew why it wasn't gonna come out of that

[01:22:49] yep he wanted to save his friend and he saved his friend that's perfect yeah absolutely

[01:22:57] um and then at the end of at the end of what once Morgan dies um i read this thing and i just

[01:23:05] thought it was so perfect so this isn't my analysis this is uh analysis that i saw somewhere else but

[01:23:11] i just wanted to make sure it was included but um when you know you see you see Wyatt with

[01:23:18] you know his blood stained hands as he leaves as he leaves the bar after Morgan dies and he's

[01:23:23] standing in the rain and the and the blood on his hands has never washed away in that scene

[01:23:29] and so it's a metaphor for the blood that will who will always have on his hands from his past no matter how

[01:23:34] hard he tries to leave it behind and i just i thought that was really beautiful because when i see

[01:23:40] when i see the scene i know that the blood on his hands has a deeper meaning but i love the fact

[01:23:47] that i'd never caught the on to the fact that it didn't wash off despite all the rain um that's

[01:23:54] it didn't wash off when he was holding Morgan like it didn't wipe off on him at all on his clothes so

[01:24:01] it was completely stained for the whole scene on purpose wow that's interesting that is interesting i

[01:24:07] don't know that i've ever picked up on that and it makes sense because you kind of see that throughout

[01:24:13] in the beginning like his past keeps following him like i don't want to be that you know that's

[01:24:19] that's not me anymore and people keep pushing it on him you know um yep this legend in this myth

[01:24:28] of the man that follows him around and how much he just keeps resisting like that's not me it's not me

[01:24:32] it's not me but then yeah i think that's that's pretty accurate and when he sees that he can't escape

[01:24:39] that that's a pretty good metaphor hadn't noticed that before but makes perfect sense right i always

[01:24:46] read into the idea of that's what it meant but just the overall scene of him coming out and looking

[01:24:52] at his hands and then looking at Jesse or Josephine and his wife too because she was out there as well

[01:25:01] but it's like i i i i yeah she was probably having it she was there too yeah

[01:25:07] yeah Maddie Maddie left her bed but they i kind of figured it was based upon his

[01:25:14] his history and and life and what he had done i never really got the whole metaphor

[01:25:20] and with the blood on hands itself i never really caught that i already knew i was like i knew

[01:25:25] it's like oh okay he's and then then you realize okay this is the the page turner where he has to

[01:25:30] change and take charge but get more blood on his hands yeah more blood on his hands

[01:25:36] and there i think it's just like an acceptance like he just kind of embraces it whenever after Morgan

[01:25:43] dies and Virgil has been maimed because he did lose the use of his arm and that was a factual

[01:25:51] thing as well that he had you know lost the use of his arm there and you know once his family

[01:25:57] was leaving and they were taking Morgan back home and um you know that's when i think he's like

[01:26:02] all right you know you asked for it i know that i this isn't going to just go away this is never

[01:26:08] going to end it's never going to stop he has to embrace that yeah and then that leads kind of

[01:26:13] like into that third act there into the movie well it's funny talk about how uh with Virgil he got

[01:26:21] hit and yeah he had the arm and that's true at the okay corral the only person that didn't get hit

[01:26:30] of old people was why it right doc doc got hit Morgan got hit Virgil got hit it but it was

[01:26:38] historically recorded that he did not get hit with a bullet he had i think a couple bullet holes

[01:26:43] in his jacket and he had one in his boot heel but he was he was never actually struck by a bullet

[01:26:50] in the flesh but Morgan Virgil and doc all in some way it minor because obviously they lived

[01:26:59] so whatever wherever they got hit they were able to recover from that but yeah um why it did not

[01:27:04] just wild yeah that's insane it's like close proximity yeah and i've never actually been

[01:27:14] to tombstone Arizona but i remember like i love history i love hearing about this story in particular

[01:27:20] and i i i was watching some sort of maybe it's history channel i don't remember but you know they

[01:27:25] were actually there in tombstone and they were showing the okay corral and when you look at it i mean

[01:27:31] it doesn't look that big in the movie but it looks definitely a lot bigger than what it does in

[01:27:35] real life like it is a very this tiny little space where this whole showdown actually took place

[01:27:42] and you're just like holy cow how did you know just thinking that somebody didn't get hit when

[01:27:48] they're in such close proximity to each other um was something amazing so some sort of divine being

[01:27:57] stopped the bullets let's just like Washington Washington used to have like bullet holes in his hat

[01:28:06] or in his uniform but he was never struck a wild shot which is insane throughout his entire war

[01:28:14] his war record so you know there's just people like that you know they just live that

[01:28:22] that charmed life where everybody else runs them around them falls yeah it's true

[01:28:32] you guys have any other notes?

[01:28:36] uh nope not really i think we've talked about most i mean it's just you know so many everything

[01:28:42] that makes this movie great you know performances the the dialogue you know how tight it was um

[01:28:50] and just it being you know another thing that makes it great like we've been talking about the entire time

[01:28:55] is just one of the best one liner quotable movies ever you know i think we all say these phrases

[01:29:03] often we always find an excuse to insert one of these phrases you know um so yeah just a deep

[01:29:11] appreciation i'm so thrilled that we got to talk about it today because it just makes me happy

[01:29:19] yeah me too there's one more thing that i just think that we would be we we'll take ourselves if

[01:29:25] we don't talk about it and that is that iconic walk to the ok corral yeah there is nothing

[01:29:33] better than that than that walk that scene of them walking down the road just to get to it yep

[01:29:39] and they just they played at length in the in credits right i mean that's the scene that you kind

[01:29:44] of get the full you know once it's over and it goes to the in credits um yeah it's it's iconic

[01:29:51] it lives in my head rent free for sure that whole walk of them going to the ok corral

[01:29:57] yeah absolutely i'm glad you brought that up it would be remiss of us not to mention that you're right

[01:30:03] we would be like oh no we didn't mention it i mean so well done you know

[01:30:09] it was beautifully shot you know um everything definitely had a purpose and they did it really

[01:30:15] well and that that's definitely iconic 100 percent all right well i'm wrapped for what i had to talk

[01:30:26] about um notes uh do you guys have anything more all right well we could probably get to

[01:30:35] listen her feedback nice so remiss you want to read the one that we have sure i'll take that one

[01:30:45] so we did get someone that rode in and gave some quick thoughts uh Jason Gross says can't wait

[01:30:51] for the review it definitely holds up saw it when it came out and forgot everything except val Kilmer

[01:30:58] second rewatch and realized whole movie is great rewatched last year and still amazing goes really

[01:31:03] well alongside deadwood and unforgiven i agree i'd say it's better than deadwood i haven't seen

[01:31:13] deadwood i was advised from mutual friends that had seen it well at the time anyway um because they

[01:31:19] it kind of got dropped and didn't have an ending i think they've since what done a movie and

[01:31:24] kind of wrapped it up but at the time they were like maybe you shouldn't just because it doesn't

[01:31:30] really end but i would like to still pick it up because i've heard um amazing performances there's

[01:31:35] a lot i think a couple of folks from tombstone that are in deadwood and i've heard amazing things

[01:31:39] unforgiven is definitely also one of my favorite westerns as well it's beautifully done um definitely

[01:31:45] tops so yeah i was seeing that quick in the dead quick in the dead is amazing yeah oh the quick

[01:31:52] in a deadwood with Sharon Stone um about the same reamy classic of all things too and it's

[01:31:59] funny too because it has the delta in it that sam reamy has from 1970s he hides it in a wagon

[01:32:06] it's fun there's i think it doesn't get enough um appreciation but i i enjoyed it and there's

[01:32:11] some really great things are gene hackman you know is amazing but i have to caprio and yeah

[01:32:18] another one my favorites three ten to yuma you see the original or the remake they have a remake

[01:32:25] the one with christian bail yes that's the no one yes that's the no one yes that's the no one

[01:32:31] it's amazing it's one of my favorites as well so yeah there's like good ones out there

[01:32:36] yeah this is a ton it spawned the whole uh the western splurge within the night uh the night well

[01:32:44] late eighties nineties was it was really more or less uh young guns that kind of started it

[01:32:50] another thing and it kind of went away and then it came back again in two thousand which is pretty

[01:32:54] cool when was the untouchables is it is that a western no that was in the eighties that was about

[01:33:02] capone and ellie nascowing after him but that was a very good movie my uncle love that movie uh

[01:33:08] silverado i have it that was one of my favorites from from those days as well

[01:33:12] early eighties yeah people talk about that one that one's a good one is a good one is a

[01:33:15] happy and saddles still a blazing saddles blazing saddles is great yeah classic classic

[01:33:25] Mormons where Indians all right well we'll move right along into uh the less than a feedback we only

[01:33:35] got one voicemail so i'll play that now low reema christian in mark on its showtime folks uh

[01:33:43] tombstone wow what can i say uh oh wait this is Steve and uh uh i absolutely love this movie i will

[01:33:50] watch it oh three or four times a year uh it's so quotable and just just so great everything about

[01:33:56] it uh is amazing i did hear an interview with michael bean uh where the set was not all that great

[01:34:04] but you know the movie came out incredible so i'm not gonna plug uh the podcast i heard that

[01:34:10] interview on but it's a good one if you ever check it out and michael bean is an amazing

[01:34:15] gosh that guy crazy crazy good actor and uh did in so many iconic movies of course Kurt Russell

[01:34:21] Valcoma Samilette the list goes on paxton how do you powers booth gosh how do you

[01:34:30] create a movie like that had it not be incredible an iconic and totally hold up we've uh

[01:34:37] we being my friends have quoted all the time again i think i said that already it's

[01:34:42] quotable gosh i'm repeating myself now okay anyway i love the movie can't wait to hear you guys

[01:34:46] talk about it and i'm gonna have to watch it again now all right talk to you later thanks Steve

[01:34:51] thanks Steve that's an easy thing to do watching this movie over again it's amazing like i stated before

[01:34:58] folks son i tunes for 99 you could easily go get it don't have to rent it just back for 99

[01:35:06] and so is there awesome thanks everyone for the feedback yeah thank you all for the feedback

[01:35:12] so as we come close to the end or towards the end of the podcast i guess uh we should talk

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[01:36:40] covered season one uh whenever it whenever it debuted um think it gosh i thought i think it was

[01:36:45] two years ago which sounds so weird to say that out loud um that was that long ago um but we

[01:36:50] covered season one and season two just just dropped so we're gonna start that up this week so um we

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