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00:09 --> 00:10 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you a good person?
00:10 --> 00:14 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you getting right?
00:19 --> 00:20 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you a good person?
00:20 --> 00:23 [SPEAKER_03]: I am not the worst.
00:24 --> 00:25 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you a good person?
00:26 --> 00:27 [SPEAKER_03]: Not the best.
00:28 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you a good person?
00:31 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_03]: What difference does it make?
00:33 --> 00:34 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't matter, okay?
00:34 --> 00:35 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you a good person?
00:35 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you a good person?
00:36 --> 00:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you a good person?
00:37 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you a good person?
00:38 --> 00:38 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you a good person?
00:38 --> 00:43 [SPEAKER_03]: Are you a good person?
00:43 --> 00:46 [UNKNOWN]: Are you a good person?
00:48 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_06]: Are you a good person?
00:49 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_06]: Are you a good person?
00:49 --> 00:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Shut up!
00:51 --> 00:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm Rayman.
00:52 --> 00:54 [SPEAKER_06]: This is Legion cast episode seven.
00:54 --> 00:55 [SPEAKER_06]: Are you a good person?
00:55 --> 00:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you a good person?
01:00 --> 01:01 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
01:02 --> 01:03 [SPEAKER_06]: The last times.
01:03 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Last couple of episodes we had a new song that we played during the end part, the outro.
01:11 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_06]: And it's called stay a while and it's by Rhett Ward von Dornberg from Berlin, Germany, who wrote to me asking, you know, hey, would you want to feature the song?
01:20 --> 01:21 [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm like, yeah, totally.
01:21 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_06]: He was asking about walking dead, but I thought it fit with Legion better.
01:24 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_06]: So I just wanted to thank Rhett Ward for letting us use it and let you guys know that you can find that song if you like it and more of his work at the caraville.net that's THECARAVEL.net.
01:38 --> 01:40 [SPEAKER_06]: And I'll put that in the show notes too.
01:41 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.
01:42 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_06]: Because I've been looking for, we didn't have a song and it felt kind of weird and bare naked, but now there's some cool music to back us up at the end.
01:52 --> 01:57 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I just, it wouldn't be right to have this podcast with that music, because Legion is so amazing with music.
01:58 --> 01:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So, Dammit, we've got to have some good music.
02:00 --> 02:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I know.
02:01 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we should get music if you guys have a good music for us.
02:04 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Let us know Yeah, all right.
02:06 --> 02:08 [SPEAKER_06]: Let's get into this week's episode.
02:08 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_06]: It's our top five highlights for Legion season two episode nine chapter seventeen.
02:13 --> 02:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Did you like it?
02:16 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I did like it.
02:16 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_01]: I know I sound like a yes man and I can't help it because I just love the show so much.
02:23 --> 02:32 [SPEAKER_01]: While there are some faulty pieces here and there in various episodes that I get disappointed by or, you know, I might get disappointed with the pace or something, but all in all I do love the show.
02:33 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But maybe it's because I just, I'm a pot, I try to remain positive about it and always find something good to like about it.
02:38 --> 02:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But I did like this one.
02:39 --> 02:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought this one
02:41 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know.
02:41 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_01]: You tell me we thought I thought that this one was easier to follow than while the other ones.
02:46 --> 02:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't seem I wasn't sitting there thinking of going what the hell just happened.
02:48 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It seemed to kind of make sense.
02:51 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_06]: I was going what the hell happened.
02:54 --> 03:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Until I watched the second time, uh, in part that was because I just finished doing a Westworld podcast and editing it and it was like three o'clock in the morning or something.
03:07 --> 03:26 [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, this show it maces me because several times I'll watch it the first time and I'll be like oh man I don't know what that was and then the second time I'm like why didn't I get that it seems really clear so that's kind of how it was with me that yeah the second time through I think I got it
03:27 --> 03:42 [SPEAKER_06]: And I like to, you know, I'm noticing that one of the things that I maybe don't love about this show sometimes is because it deals in mental health issues, which are often unpleasant because it's, you know, people having problems.
03:43 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_06]: that I feel kind of depressed by that, or shaken up, or anxious, or whatever.
03:48 --> 03:55 [SPEAKER_06]: And in this episode, Melanie's not in a very good state of mind, and it's all about her.
03:55 --> 03:58 [SPEAKER_06]: And so I felt kind of crummy about that.
03:58 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's so well done, such a good artistically well done show with everything that's set dressing, the costumes, the acting, the cinematography, the music.
04:06 --> 04:21 [SPEAKER_06]: the pacing, the dialogue, but the subject matter is sometimes a little bit of a downer for me, but I still like the episode better than the one a couple of weeks ago where I had the same complaints and I went away feeling kind of blah about it.
04:21 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_06]: This one I enjoyed it even with this, because it's good.
04:25 --> 04:28 [SPEAKER_06]: I like exploring dark things.
04:30 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, yeah.
04:32 --> 04:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he doesn't.
04:34 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_06]: But you know, it can be like I had my friend in college who was a schizophrenic and I didn't know until he had this active schizophrenic episode where he for a couple of weeks just was totally hallucinating things and paranoid.
04:52 --> 04:52 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
04:53 --> 04:57 [SPEAKER_06]: I was really intense and that was really just a hard time for all of us.
04:57 --> 04:58 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, for him especially, but
05:00 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_06]: He was accusing my roommate of trying to kill him and it was just insane literally and Man we called his parents to come and get him and they were kind of like Blasay about it, which I think is part of the problem probably So you know, it's just rough subject matter sometimes It is and it's sensitive.
05:21 --> 05:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's scary if you've never been you know around or know how to deal with situation like that.
05:26 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't hear it too well
05:29 --> 05:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, if you don't have experience with it, I don't know anyone that would handle it really well.
05:33 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_06]: You know what happens?
05:34 --> 05:34 [SPEAKER_06]: What happened?
05:35 --> 05:39 [SPEAKER_06]: I think I talked about this in season one of this podcast, but at one point, we agreed.
05:39 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_06]: We needed to call a professional.
05:41 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_06]: So we called some psychiatric center or something.
05:44 --> 05:48 [SPEAKER_06]: And I was telling them, my roommate, he's hearing voices from the TV.
05:48 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_06]: He thinks David Letter, everyone's talking to him.
05:51 --> 05:52 [SPEAKER_06]: He thought my friend dragged this
05:53 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_06]: seal up onto the beach for him to see, et cetera, et cetera.
05:57 --> 05:58 [SPEAKER_06]: They're like, what's your name?
05:58 --> 05:59 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm Jason.
06:00 --> 06:01 [SPEAKER_06]: What are you doing right now?
06:01 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_06]: They just kept asking me questions.
06:04 --> 06:05 [SPEAKER_06]: And they thought I was crazy.
06:06 --> 06:06 [SPEAKER_01]: It's my roommate.
06:12 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_01]: So you do know what it's like to be crazy.
06:13 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what we talk you talk about.
06:15 --> 06:27 [SPEAKER_06]: I was like used of being crazy and it was I hate being accused of stuff that I didn't do So that was rough and then when they talked us like another roommate of mine They were talking about me to him.
06:27 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So what's up with this Jason guy Dude, just trying to be helpful a good citizen
06:35 --> 06:38 [SPEAKER_06]: And then, at the end, it turned out I was the one it was crazy.
06:38 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just kidding.
06:40 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, here we are today.
06:41 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
06:42 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Hosting a podcast about my favorite film.
06:48 --> 06:49 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all become clear now.
06:49 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_01]: The fog has been lifted.
06:51 --> 06:53 [SPEAKER_06]: So are you a good person just kidding?
06:53 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_06]: What's your number five?
06:54 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, more than most.
06:57 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not the worst.
07:00 --> 07:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Not the best.
07:01 --> 07:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Not the best.
07:06 --> 07:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, no, my number five was the, the whole purpose of this episode was I guess to kind of show us where we had in the last episode, David like putting the pieces where he wanted them on, you know, like his big map.
07:20 --> 07:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna call it.
07:21 --> 07:30 [SPEAKER_01]: And so we got to see how those thoughts he had implanted, how those came to fruition, how it was like waking people up, and people were taking action.
07:30 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_01]: So I like that that's how they decide to kind of play that out.
07:33 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I always love how they, you know, tell the story visually.
07:38 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_01]: And I really liked how they did it.
07:40 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_01]: And I liked that we had plot.
07:42 --> 07:55 [SPEAKER_06]: How you got to see through mostly carry and carry exactly in Lini to how that manifested because all of a sudden they're like, oh, you're getting these visions where that come from and we saw a touch on the forehead earlier.
07:55 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that was really cool.
07:57 --> 07:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
07:57 --> 08:00 [SPEAKER_01]: And how they acted differently about them as well.
08:00 --> 08:01 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just how they came to it.
08:01 --> 08:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But how Lini.
08:02 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_06]: because carrying carry are super proactive and badass, totally functional, and Lenny's this druggy who actually could use some R&R based on what she's been through.
08:19 --> 08:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But once she deserves that little vacation,
08:22 --> 08:23 [SPEAKER_06]: Right, have an orange ear too.
08:24 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, she's just prone to shirking responsibility and retreating into the escape of drugs.
08:29 --> 08:30 [SPEAKER_06]: So the same thing happened.
08:30 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, when those visions came up, she just kind of tried to ignore it.
08:33 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm having sex here.
08:34 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just gonna smoke some more vapor out of this elephant and hopefully just go away.
08:39 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_01]: But I really liked how it all plays out and how we got to see those thoughts that David implanted in everyone came to life.
08:47 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_01]: and how different folks took action on them.
08:50 --> 08:53 [SPEAKER_01]: And then of course Clark didn't get to fulfill his because he got a whacked over the head.
08:53 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_01]: We kind of saw that from repeating it last week and that flashback.
08:57 --> 08:58 [SPEAKER_01]: We could get to see that again.
08:58 --> 09:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I want with those flashbacks.
09:00 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_06]: Why does he have the right?
09:02 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_06]: Did we see it twice in this episode?
09:03 --> 09:03 [SPEAKER_06]: I think so.
09:04 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
09:05 --> 09:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I think, yeah, beginning in and I guess.
09:08 --> 09:16 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think what was cool was it not only because we've had several episodes where we've had this really great character development where we get to learn a little bit more about the characters care a little bit more about them.
09:16 --> 09:19 [SPEAKER_01]: We got that episode too while we also got some plot movement.
09:19 --> 09:24 [SPEAKER_01]: So I really liked that about this episode myself.
09:24 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So my number five.
09:26 --> 09:26 [SPEAKER_06]: Cool.
09:27 --> 09:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Mine's Lenny and it was fun to see Lenny in her environment where she's this kind of legend that everyone calls the queen and whatever.
09:37 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_06]: But I love that when she first came in, they didn't recognize her.
09:40 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_06]: There's no baked.
09:42 --> 09:43 [SPEAKER_06]: It takes some time to remember.
09:44 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_06]: But when she says she's the cornflake girl, then the other girl's like, oh, which I don't think we know what that means, right?
09:50 --> 09:53 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, we've heard that her name is Lenny cornflake's busker.
09:53 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_06]: But why?
09:56 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, it's legendary, whatever it is.
09:59 --> 10:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's legendary in some people, or speculating this sweater red online was they think that the inspiration came from the Tour Amist song, Cornflake Girl.
10:09 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever heard that?
10:10 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
10:12 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is from the wiki for that song from Tori Amis called Cornflick girl.
10:19 --> 10:22 [SPEAKER_01]: This is what the people were speculating that this is why she's called that.
10:23 --> 10:39 [SPEAKER_01]: So the inspiration for Cornflick girl came from a conversation that she was having, talking about she's Tori Amis was having with a longtime friend about female general, mutilation in Africa, specifically how a close female family member would betray the victim by performing the procedure.
10:39 --> 10:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Amis said that growing up the name they gave to girls who would hurt you despite close friendship was cornflake girls.
10:47 --> 10:48 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my god, that's horrible.
10:49 --> 10:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know.
10:50 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_01]: When I started reading, I was like, where did we get gentle needle like this whole thing?
10:54 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_06]: I guess, yeah, if that is, then maybe that's just her nickname.
10:58 --> 11:02 [SPEAKER_06]: And when they heard it, they like it dawned on them.
11:02 --> 11:03 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, it's my friend.
11:04 --> 11:12 [SPEAKER_06]: But she, during that ASMR thing that we played a little bit of a couple episodes ago, that was a thirty minute video.
11:12 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_06]: We just played a little clip, but she eats corn flakes for like ten minutes or something.
11:17 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_01]: That's hilarious.
11:19 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she's she's she's like, hey, it's me, you know, the cornflake girl.
11:23 --> 11:29 [SPEAKER_01]: So she's calling herself that, you know, she's she's that she's the girl who will hurt you despite close friendship.
11:29 --> 11:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, does that make sense?
11:32 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
11:32 --> 11:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
11:33 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
11:34 --> 11:36 [SPEAKER_06]: She will mutilate your genitals.
11:37 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_06]: It's a metaphor.
11:38 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
11:40 --> 11:44 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so I'm not the drugdened.
11:45 --> 11:48 [SPEAKER_06]: I felt like was a little too diglow or something.
11:48 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_06]: I think the idea was to make it sloppy, but fun.
11:53 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
11:55 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're drug addicts are not organized.
11:57 --> 11:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
11:57 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a mess.
11:59 --> 12:03 [SPEAKER_06]: The sloppy part I got just seemed a little too bright or something, but I think
12:04 --> 12:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Um, I didn't like it as much as I usually like.
12:07 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_06]: No hollies set dressing but it was cool with the cute animal bongs and everything and then we know I wonder if you can find those anywhere
12:15 --> 12:16 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm sure you could.
12:16 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_06]: Then Amy shows up and is watching her having hot lesbian sex and just intruding.
12:24 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_06]: And the whole REO good person was so brutal.
12:28 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_06]: Are you a good person?
12:29 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_06]: Are you a good person?
12:30 --> 12:31 [SPEAKER_06]: It's like get out of my face.
12:32 --> 12:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm human up in her grand time.
12:35 --> 12:49 [SPEAKER_06]: And I couldn't tell if Amy's there because she's an Amy's body and there's like a remnants of her psyche there or because she's hopped up on drugs or because this is a mutant show, you know, I don't know.
12:49 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It's for root projecting this or something like that.
12:53 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_06]: Paper mache boy.
12:55 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the angry boy from season one.
12:57 --> 12:58 [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen him since season one.
12:58 --> 13:00 [SPEAKER_06]: He was always associated with shadow king.
13:01 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_06]: So I don't know if that's just her, you know, like a PTSD thing or if shadow king is involved somehow.
13:08 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_06]: My sense was that Amy's actually not there and that it was just her guilt and her conscience, but maybe Amy is there.
13:16 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
13:16 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
13:16 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_01]: But then why was she saying that she wanted her body back?
13:19 --> 13:20 [SPEAKER_06]: That's true.
13:20 --> 13:21 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, it's just a killing thing.
13:21 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it could just be the projection of that.
13:24 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And like you said, the guilt of Lenny, maybe feeling guilty.
13:27 --> 13:32 [SPEAKER_01]: You know about what happened with Amy and her merging or taking over her body.
13:33 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
13:33 --> 13:35 [SPEAKER_06]: And I like how she's like, I'm sorry.
13:36 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_06]: And then later when Amy's saying, oh, it's so weird.
13:39 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_06]: Usually I used to dream that I wasn't myself and now I'm only in dreams and I am myself or whatever.
13:45 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_06]: And then immediately Lenny just tries to kill her.
13:49 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I'm really sorry.
13:51 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I like to win.
13:55 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_01]: She's the cornflake girl.
13:57 --> 13:57 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
13:58 --> 14:04 [SPEAKER_06]: She said, well, I'll tell you what sister, if you're going to hang with me, you're going to see a lot of nasty shit.
14:05 --> 14:15 [SPEAKER_06]: What I did to well knew Janine there is kids as a kid's birthday party compared to the colligula shit I've got planned because it's straight up years since I let loose between the hospital and so you know, strapping.
14:16 --> 14:21 [SPEAKER_06]: It's like just laying it on the line kind of look if you're going to be around and this is what you're in for.
14:21 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not going to apologize for it.
14:24 --> 14:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, hey, you got to appreciate her honesty and being like, hey, if you're going to be around, you're going to see some stuff better get used to it.
14:32 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_06]: And then Amy gets her to fuck realize how you need to be paying attention to David and
14:42 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_06]: It was sort of a revelation when she said you're in love with David and you could see by ladies reaction that she probably actually is.
14:49 --> 14:50 [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't know.
14:51 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
14:52 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_06]: She's like, what about Miss Perfect?
14:56 --> 15:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I, I've always had that feeling that Lenny had a thing for David.
15:00 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_06]: And then she goes, she can't do what you can do.
15:04 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_06]: And then she's on.
15:05 --> 15:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh man, sister.
15:06 --> 15:08 [SPEAKER_06]: And then she's on the North.
15:08 --> 15:10 [SPEAKER_06]: That's not what I'm talking about.
15:10 --> 15:12 [SPEAKER_06]: But it does make me wonder why.
15:13 --> 15:17 [SPEAKER_06]: Why Lenny, like apparently Lenny's job is to fire this weapon.
15:18 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_06]: Because we see her in visions, like leaning down to take a shot.
15:23 --> 15:25 [SPEAKER_01]: She didn't like a sniper rifle thing.
15:25 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
15:26 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Because otherwise, the carries could have just gotten in that car and brought it out to David, but apparently Lenny's the one to handle the weapon for something.
15:35 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
15:36 --> 15:36 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know.
15:36 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
15:37 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I don't expect you to know.
15:38 --> 15:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know the answer.
15:39 --> 15:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, yeah.
15:40 --> 15:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Because she do, like, carry badass carry.
15:44 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_01]: What can't she do and what can she do that said can't do is I was left with
15:49 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I was thinking maybe the weapon was actually a misdirection and there's just something else about Lenny's personality that didn't need it.
15:57 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_06]: And I was also thinking and they didn't really touch on this much, but if you were Lenny, you would be freaked out to go anywhere near the shadow king because she'd been trapped with him for so long and they didn't really show that fear.
16:12 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_06]: But anyway, she went out because she loves David, so it would be interesting to see what happens next.
16:16 --> 16:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what do you think was up that menatar that was like behind her there?
16:22 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm starting to come around to your thing last week that the menatar is some kind of a manifestation of the shadow king.
16:27 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_06]: And know that she's in his realm.
16:32 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_06]: But I don't know.
16:34 --> 16:42 [SPEAKER_06]: Because now we know that Melanie has been the shadow king's been on Melanie ever since David came back.
16:42 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
16:43 --> 16:45 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, he's been working on her.
16:45 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_06]: And so that's what makes me think, okay, well, we've also seen this Minotaur.
16:49 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_06]: We saw it in her mind when David had to go in there to get her and also just skulking around as she's doing her hookah.
16:57 --> 17:00 [SPEAKER_06]: So maybe it's another manifestation of the shadow king, but I don't know.
17:01 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know either.
17:02 --> 17:02 [SPEAKER_06]: I know either.
17:03 --> 17:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think we are but it's I just love throwing up those ideas especially now with this episode and how we've seen that Melanie has been like under that control for a while and and yeah, he was in her when David went into her mind and and they were like trying to bring her back and stuff.
17:18 --> 17:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He was skulking about and then you add in in her room again, you know, she's all doped up.
17:22 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_01]: It's skulking about again, just creepy and creepier in the now behind Lenny not even around Melanie or anything like that.
17:28 --> 17:28 [SPEAKER_01]: So
17:29 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's the thing that's interesting about this is it's the first time it's not related to Melanie necessarily.
17:37 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe it is Melanie.
17:39 --> 17:39 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
17:42 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_06]: Because Melanie went out to the desert, but I don't know about the timing how that works.
17:47 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know either.
17:48 --> 17:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Time is, it's like it's not a thing.
17:52 --> 17:53 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very different thing there.
17:54 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, one thing that interested me about timing on this is if I got it right, the little title said thirteen days earlier.
18:03 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_06]: And then right after that, they had that conversation that we already saw in episode one between Melanie and Sid.
18:11 --> 18:12 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
18:13 --> 18:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, he just came back.
18:14 --> 18:16 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, just yesterday or today this morning.
18:17 --> 18:17 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
18:17 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_06]: And so I'm like, Oh, I guess David's only been back for thirteen days.
18:23 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which sounds about right for me.
18:27 --> 18:36 [SPEAKER_06]: It just like because we've been watching the show for what nine weeks it felt longer, but yeah, thinking about it just from seeing it could be right.
18:36 --> 18:37 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
18:37 --> 18:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because we had one whole episode where he just spent all that time chasing, you know, trying to get autonomy, get Melanie back, and then he was on the next episode.
18:46 --> 18:49 [SPEAKER_01]: He was hunting, or, you know, trying to bring Sydney back.
18:49 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And so we've had just a lot of the stalling.
18:52 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I haven't moved forward really.
18:55 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And then when he met future Sid, when that was what?
18:58 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Was that the second episode?
19:01 --> 19:04 [SPEAKER_01]: When she tells him a week from now is when you kill.
19:04 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:06 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So that confuses me a little bit as far as some of the timing, but she did tell him that.
19:10 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And apparently they're getting really close to that.
19:12 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
19:13 --> 19:15 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't know.
19:15 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_06]: I wouldn't be surprised if Noah Holly has the timing I'll work out.
19:20 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I bet he does.
19:21 --> 19:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
19:22 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I figure I feel like he has it all mapped out in his head.
19:25 --> 19:25 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know.
19:25 --> 19:28 [SPEAKER_01]: No one else knows, but he knows exactly what's going on.
19:29 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_06]: It's good point about, yeah, just a week later because it just makes you realize even more that this is all compressed down into a short period of time.
19:36 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
19:37 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, what's your four?
19:39 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_01]: My number four is Carrie and Carrie.
19:42 --> 19:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I was so happy to see them together in this episode.
19:47 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we haven't got to see much of them and they really are like my favorite duo.
19:52 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean besides like David and Sydney that's a given.
19:54 --> 19:55 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean they're my clear favorite.
19:55 --> 20:01 [SPEAKER_01]: I always love David and Sid and they are my two favorite characters but I always love Carrie and I love seeing their interaction.
20:01 --> 20:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we haven't gotten enough of them.
20:04 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I was happy to see them.
20:06 --> 20:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was so fun to see how they both were getting the images.
20:12 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_01]: You would see how they were starting to get the flashback to the images and you would see female carry and then you'd see more images to see male carry and you'd see, you know, so that way you knew they were both seeing them at the same time.
20:24 --> 20:25 [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, leave it too.
20:25 --> 20:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the bond that they have, the psychic bond that they have.
20:29 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Fimo Carey wasn't sure what it was, but leave it to male Carey.
20:33 --> 20:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I hate that I have to keep saying that, but... I know.
20:36 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, Harry knows what Carey knew.
20:39 --> 20:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
20:41 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Confusing.
20:42 --> 20:44 [SPEAKER_01]: But male Carey, of course, figures it out.
20:44 --> 20:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, you know, oh, this is what we have to do.
20:46 --> 20:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And let's just go do this.
20:47 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, she's not totally into it at all, but she just, she does, you know, what he wants to do.
20:54 --> 20:58 [SPEAKER_01]: And it feels like, okay, so we got to help David, but she doesn't really see the point.
20:59 --> 20:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, really?
20:59 --> 21:00 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't remember that.
21:01 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she was into it.
21:02 --> 21:03 [SPEAKER_01]: She didn't like it.
21:03 --> 21:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Like whenever she wasn't into it and whenever they got to, I guess that motel, whatever the blue octopus, and they were putting the weapon in the trunk.
21:12 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, this is stupid plan.
21:15 --> 21:16 [SPEAKER_01]: She was not down on the wall.
21:16 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, they didn't know what the next phase was going to be.
21:18 --> 21:19 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and he's like, you just have to trust.
21:20 --> 21:22 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Carrie was so for it.
21:22 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_06]: He's more like the voice of patients in a reason, and she's just like,
21:27 --> 21:28 [SPEAKER_06]: Come on, man, I gotta do something.
21:28 --> 21:40 [SPEAKER_06]: But my favorite part of that is she's like, I'm thirsty, you thirsty, and I thought, wait, she doesn't like food that much, but maybe, yeah, she's been practicing, and then she goes in and orders a cream soda.
21:40 --> 21:41 [SPEAKER_06]: Are they remembered?
21:42 --> 21:42 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
21:42 --> 21:46 [SPEAKER_06]: She was all the cream soda she can handle.
21:46 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_01]: She was chugging that cream soda.
21:47 --> 21:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Don't give her any, yeah, she needs to stay away from Lenny.
21:50 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_06]: She's gonna get into Huka's and heroin probably.
21:56 --> 21:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, whatever that vapor drug is for sure.
21:59 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But I really liked them two together.
22:01 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, as they're, you know, going and getting the weapon and they're kind of running off and they get outside and they're like, we need a blue and she kind of stops for a minute and they kind of hop in the car and then they just go.
22:11 --> 22:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But then they had a real nice touching moment when they're at the diner.
22:14 --> 22:16 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I thought that was so sweet.
22:17 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_01]: How
22:18 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, male carry so protective and I think he's kind of fearful that female carry because they're still outside of each other.
22:26 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_01]: She's still living outside of him.
22:27 --> 22:30 [SPEAKER_01]: They haven't like merged like together.
22:30 --> 22:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think all this time.
22:31 --> 22:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I think all this time she's been like living independently.
22:34 --> 22:36 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not clear on that.
22:36 --> 22:40 [SPEAKER_06]: It seems like they're apart a lot, but are they always apart?
22:40 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_06]: It seems like they've, can they merge together anymore?
22:44 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:44 --> 22:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like they haven't really been able to, like whatever it was.
22:47 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, they traded so that it was reversed so that she was the one who was always out and he would go inside her.
22:58 --> 22:59 [SPEAKER_06]: But I don't,
23:00 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't remember anything where they just can't merge together anymore.
23:03 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_06]: We didn't see it this episode.
23:05 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't see it, and I'm just like, and maybe it's the wrong assumption to be thinking under, but I'm just going under the assumptions that we're not seeing it, because we saw it so much in season one.
23:15 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw, I think quite frequently, whenever they were on screen together, you almost always kind of saw somehow that they were merging together or coming apart in one form or another.
23:26 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And we've only seen it a little bit and how disastrous it went, and we haven't really seen it since.
23:31 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, maybe that doesn't mean that they can't
23:34 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But we're just not seeing it.
23:35 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going under the assumption that she's not working properly or maybe she's just wanting to exert more of her independence.
23:40 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Carrie wants her to be more independent because like he was telling her during that scene, you know, he's like, I'm gonna die someday.
23:46 --> 23:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it was so heartbreaking to she's like, what?
23:51 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_01]: you know all stabbed death twice in the chest you know before he he gets to know about those kind it was sweet but she's so naive like she like even when she was talking to Melanie it's like she had a hard time kind of understanding like metaphors and kind of understanding you know all the words and she just kind of wrote Melanie off like you're just having a senior moment you know
24:12 --> 24:12 [SPEAKER_06]: I got that.
24:13 --> 24:14 [SPEAKER_06]: I was kind of on her side.
24:14 --> 24:19 [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, this chick is tripping and just talking BS.
24:20 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_06]: But from Melanie's point of view, she was saying, what if things aren't real?
24:24 --> 24:24 [SPEAKER_06]: What if I'm not real?
24:24 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just your fantasy.
24:25 --> 24:34 [SPEAKER_06]: I think that plays into her whole thing about just feeling like a second wheel or like she's wasted her life on Oliver and doesn't matter.
24:34 --> 24:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Is invisible?
24:35 --> 24:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Isn't real?
24:36 --> 24:38 [SPEAKER_06]: It just kind of plays into all that.
24:38 --> 24:46 [SPEAKER_06]: But that was my favorite scene the one you just mentioned in the episode with Carrie and Carrie when she said she would stab death twice in the heart.
24:47 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_06]: It was just really sweet and there was some nice like flute music playing in the background.
24:52 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_06]: And I like how even though that's kind of a sappy moment, they both just sort of nod at each other and they smile little but it's not like super sappy because they have a really interesting relationship.
25:05 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_06]: They don't
25:07 --> 25:14 [SPEAKER_06]: They don't express a lot of affection, but you can tell they're very, they love each other.
25:15 --> 25:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
25:16 --> 25:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and they have, I mean, they, yeah, they have that special relationship, but female Carrie's, she's all about the action, she's more aggressive, she's more straight into the point.
25:24 --> 25:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Carrie seems more, male Carrie is more, I think, of the little bit, a little bit sappy, you know.
25:30 --> 25:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and he's a little, like, a little neurotic too.
25:33 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which makes him adorable.
25:35 --> 25:35 [SPEAKER_06]: He's the nurture.
25:35 --> 25:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
25:37 --> 25:42 [SPEAKER_06]: It's like he's it's more I almost feel like he's the dad almost like he's her dad.
25:42 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_06]: A little bit.
25:44 --> 25:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
25:45 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_01]: I see that, but I think it's more big brother almost.
25:47 --> 25:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
25:47 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to me, there's siblings.
25:49 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_01]: I could see that.
25:49 --> 25:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
25:50 --> 25:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like big brother.
25:51 --> 26:01 [SPEAKER_06]: But even more appealing is, I think that's probably the closest big brother a little sister to what goes on in the real world when there's no mutant powers involved.
26:01 --> 26:19 [SPEAKER_06]: But it also just feels like, like I've said before, a relationship that would maybe never happen in the real world, but because they're bonded together, then you see something new that you don't really see in real life where this middle-aged man becomes closely bonded with this young, beautiful girl.
26:20 --> 26:23 [SPEAKER_06]: or he's not in middle age, he's old older man.
26:24 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_06]: It's just really cute.
26:26 --> 26:29 [SPEAKER_06]: It is not sexual at all, so that's totally cool.
26:29 --> 26:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's special.
26:32 --> 26:33 [SPEAKER_01]: I love their relationship.
26:34 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, that's my number four.
26:36 --> 26:38 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, where am I?
26:40 --> 26:42 [SPEAKER_06]: Mine is the drug-y conversations.
26:43 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
26:44 --> 26:46 [SPEAKER_06]: But I don't have anything insightful to say.
26:46 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_06]: I just thought it was really funny and I'm sure the writers had a great time with this.
26:51 --> 26:54 [SPEAKER_06]: So I'm gonna recite some of these.
26:54 --> 27:02 [SPEAKER_06]: Lenny's like, if you ever seen an electric octopus and her friends like, once, but I kept my distance, where was it?
27:03 --> 27:03 [SPEAKER_06]: When?
27:04 --> 27:04 [SPEAKER_06]: Where?
27:05 --> 27:08 [SPEAKER_06]: Wait, did you say octopus I was thinking oscillates?
27:10 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of it just didn't make any sense.
27:12 --> 27:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:12 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.
27:13 --> 27:17 [SPEAKER_06]: Or when she first gets there, she says to that cute younger girl.
27:18 --> 27:19 [SPEAKER_06]: Are you the new Barbara?
27:19 --> 27:20 [SPEAKER_06]: No, I'm the new Janine.
27:20 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_06]: Who's Janine?
27:21 --> 27:22 [SPEAKER_06]: She was the new Barbara.
27:23 --> 27:24 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, what helps any of that mean?
27:24 --> 27:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I know I was like,
27:26 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_06]: And why would there be a new barber that like this new genie that used to be the new barber?
27:31 --> 27:33 [SPEAKER_06]: And then Lenny's like, what happened to her?
27:33 --> 27:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, she turned into a ladybug and flew away.
27:35 --> 27:41 [SPEAKER_06]: That's like a perfect last thing to say in that kind of relationship.
27:41 --> 27:45 [SPEAKER_06]: And then just smile and you wonder if they're being kind of cute with each other, you know?
27:45 --> 27:52 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I could seem to be in my friend of mine having that conversation just nonsense or if she's just tripping and doesn't know what the hell she's saying or maybe this actually happened.
27:54 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_06]: And this show, maybe she did turn into a butterfly and fly away.
27:57 --> 27:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't write it off, man.
28:00 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_06]: The whole thing about Janine, I did a play once.
28:03 --> 28:04 [SPEAKER_06]: I was waiting for somebody.
28:04 --> 28:05 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, play.
28:05 --> 28:06 [SPEAKER_06]: All we did was wait.
28:07 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_06]: Lenny's like, did he ever show up?
28:08 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_06]: No, man.
28:09 --> 28:10 [SPEAKER_06]: Man.
28:10 --> 28:11 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's ruining for good.
28:11 --> 28:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, it's famous play where the guy shows up.
28:14 --> 28:15 [SPEAKER_06]: But she didn't know that.
28:15 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_06]: She just like, it's so weird.
28:20 --> 28:21 [SPEAKER_06]: Where she's poking.
28:21 --> 28:24 [SPEAKER_06]: This isn't like conversation, but she keeps poking this like sagging ceiling.
28:25 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_06]: Let's go.
28:25 --> 28:28 [SPEAKER_06]: She's like, don't poke that.
28:28 --> 28:30 [SPEAKER_06]: She got the dopey smile on her face.
28:31 --> 28:32 [SPEAKER_06]: What else?
28:32 --> 28:35 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's like a total like drug-eating to do, right?
28:35 --> 28:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just like kind of getting obsessed with with something and just can't let it go and you shouldn't be doing it but you are.
28:43 --> 28:47 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't know if I should say the thought what the hell I'll say.
28:47 --> 28:49 [SPEAKER_06]: Those years ago, like how many years?
28:50 --> 28:50 [SPEAKER_06]: Eighteen years ago.
28:51 --> 28:52 [SPEAKER_06]: First time I ever did ecstasy.
28:53 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_06]: I went to a house.
28:54 --> 29:00 [SPEAKER_06]: We rented a house on the beach and other people did it first and I saw them just like
29:01 --> 29:13 [SPEAKER_06]: holding like a free ball or something in their hand or a cup and just staring at it like touching it and oh my god and I'm like that is so weird you're tripping and then a couple hours later that was me.
29:18 --> 29:20 [SPEAKER_01]: And this didn't make any sense to you at all this conversation.
29:23 --> 29:34 [SPEAKER_06]: Then they do the lesbian sex scene, which was pretty hot and explicit, but then it's intricate with scenes of Amy's dying body transforming.
29:34 --> 29:41 [SPEAKER_06]: And then the images David sent to Lenny to do what he needed her to do.
29:41 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_06]: And I feel like that's what Lenny's all about.
29:44 --> 29:50 [SPEAKER_06]: She's got this stuff that she probably should do or take care of her, you know, has fallen short or whatever.
29:50 --> 29:52 [SPEAKER_06]: And she just pushes that all the way.
29:52 --> 29:53 [SPEAKER_06]: It was sex and drug.
29:53 --> 29:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I don't, you know, I want to not worry about anything, but getting off the responsibilities.
29:59 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_06]: Have a good time.
30:00 --> 30:00 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
30:00 --> 30:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she's doing my fruit, you know what she said she was going to do?
30:03 --> 30:04 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I'm going to live.
30:04 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
30:05 --> 30:09 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's the other side of that coin is dude, give her a little vacation here.
30:10 --> 30:13 [SPEAKER_06]: But then Janine comes in, you're mad justi, we're going to have a little prince.
30:13 --> 30:15 [SPEAKER_06]: So I'm like, what is that all about?
30:15 --> 30:16 [SPEAKER_06]: Is that anything?
30:16 --> 30:17 [SPEAKER_06]: Is it just a dumb cute little thing or
30:19 --> 30:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
30:19 --> 30:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I was, you know, I talked about how I feel like this episode was really easy to follow, but that part for sure stumped me.
30:26 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know.
30:27 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand what that's supposed to be.
30:28 --> 30:29 [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's just nonsense.
30:30 --> 30:31 [SPEAKER_01]: It probably just nonsense.
30:31 --> 30:35 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're all chipping out and high on something, so, you know.
30:36 --> 30:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they were talking about plays.
30:37 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that released any type of play.
30:40 --> 30:43 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we kept hearing about, oh, I'm going to play.
30:43 --> 30:46 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is my, you know, oh, I'm just practicing for the play and things like that.
30:46 --> 30:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that refers to any play that I'm aware of, or that I found.
30:50 --> 30:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that because they kept calling Lenny your majesty, like what's wrong?
30:55 --> 31:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Your majesty, like when Lenny jumped up after she was having all those visions and stuff and she was in bed, so they keep calling her that.
31:00 --> 31:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And then she says they're having a little prince.
31:02 --> 31:05 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, run as far as you can.
31:07 --> 31:08 [SPEAKER_01]: What I mean, and she's not dead.
31:09 --> 31:09 [UNKNOWN]: I know.
31:10 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_06]: What she never heard through.
31:11 --> 31:12 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and we know that.
31:13 --> 31:19 [SPEAKER_06]: But my first thought when she said that was, oh, maybe Lenny is a man because we, you know, the original.
31:19 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_06]: But if it's really Benny or whatever, but yeah, that's really good.
31:23 --> 31:23 [SPEAKER_06]: Going on with that.
31:24 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Weird.
31:25 --> 31:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Weird.
31:25 --> 31:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Weird.
31:26 --> 31:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it could just mean nothing like those conversations that you're just reciting, you know, just these random conversations.
31:34 --> 31:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So my number three is Melanie.
31:36 --> 31:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I was so happy that this was, it wasn't quite Melanie's centric, but we did get a lot of Melanie.
31:42 --> 31:44 [SPEAKER_01]: She's been gone like forever.
31:44 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_01]: We've barely seen her unless she's been laid up with her, you know, no stuck up in a vaporizing elephant.
31:54 --> 31:58 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was really pleased that we got to see more of her because Jean Smart is such a great actress.
31:59 --> 32:04 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you give it to her, she just handles that performance beautifully.
32:04 --> 32:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was so thrilled to see her and give her something to work with in this episode because she was so great.
32:11 --> 32:24 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was curious, you know, when she, we got to see, you mentioned the flashback of whenever she called sitting to her room and had that little conversation about, you know, men and them going off and doing their thing and how we're stuck here.
32:24 --> 32:26 [SPEAKER_01]: And it made me curious.
32:27 --> 32:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the vacant lot and I'm I keep wondering is that going to come back for something vacant lot because she keeps bringing it up and they really kind of made a point to show Melanie from that side view where she's saying it again and it's like I know that that was part of the original speech that she gave but it's like they they kind of just made a point to keep saying it again and again and I'm like oh does that mean something I don't know what it means I just I don't know if they
32:50 --> 32:55 [SPEAKER_06]: It was interesting because in Westworld this week and Westworld is similar to Legion a lot of ways.
32:55 --> 33:01 [SPEAKER_06]: There was also a repeated conversation that was exactly the same as season two episode one, just like this.
33:02 --> 33:16 [SPEAKER_06]: I think I don't know, but my guess is it's just a conversation that really points out how Melanie sacrificed so much for Oliver while he was trapped and she cared for his body.
33:17 --> 33:35 [SPEAKER_06]: and then he came back and just left again right away and she just feels so resentful and empty because of all that you know it's just that's her problem right now so I don't know I thought maybe they just showed it again because it really reinforces what's going on with her right that's
33:37 --> 33:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
33:37 --> 33:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll definitely take that because I have I don't think it.
33:41 --> 33:43 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't know if it means anything special.
33:43 --> 33:51 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean that vacant lot is just very evocative of a sad place that no one is at and I don't know.
33:51 --> 33:54 [SPEAKER_06]: It's just if she feels like a vacant lot and that's pretty sad.
33:55 --> 33:56 [SPEAKER_01]: It is very sad.
33:58 --> 34:06 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, I feel like, you know, people keep bothering her or she's getting completely duped out of her mind and I really don't blame her.
34:07 --> 34:08 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like a nice escape.
34:08 --> 34:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why people, I guess they keep saying what we need you.
34:12 --> 34:15 [SPEAKER_01]: She needs to get her shit together, but I'm like, man, leave her alone.
34:17 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_01]: But, and then like we mentioned earlier, we did get to see through the flashbacks whenever it went back to that time that fruit slash all over has taken over like we kind of suspected.
34:27 --> 34:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just really kind of felt bad because she is kind of fed up.
34:31 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_01]: We can tell like when David went back into or not back but into her mind and when she was kind of lost what her yearning was and you know that she wanted to be in control.
34:44 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And then as soon as Oliver comes back, you know, she gets against seduced by this love and this nostalgia, because when he shows up, she pulls a gun on him, and he's like, he's like, he's like, oh, my body lies over the other day, and she pulls out the gun.
34:57 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I know, and he says, well, that's most unenviting.
35:03 --> 35:05 [SPEAKER_06]: But he reels her back in.
35:06 --> 35:11 [SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, there's a thing about how she says to Sid during that conversation that was repeated twice.
35:12 --> 35:15 [SPEAKER_06]: You know, when your man goes away and he comes back, it's never the same as before.
35:15 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_06]: And then when she says, I'm not the same woman or something.
35:20 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_06]: And he's like, yeah, you are.
35:22 --> 35:24 [SPEAKER_06]: And then it shows a younger version of her.
35:24 --> 35:30 [SPEAKER_06]: And I thought it was interesting that it didn't show a younger version of him because I think it's more about how she feels about herself.
35:31 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_06]: And that was how he was seductive by just making her feel like, oh, you can be the same again as you were before.
35:39 --> 35:43 [SPEAKER_06]: By the way, that actress, I was like, I know her from somewhere.
35:44 --> 35:50 [SPEAKER_06]: It's Jacqueline Hale, who I've been on this YouTube tear this year for some reason.
35:50 --> 35:56 [SPEAKER_06]: And this one guy found on YouTube, young guy used to do pranks and now he does interviews.
35:57 --> 36:11 [SPEAKER_06]: but he also, at sometimes does these vlogs and he has a sister come on and they one time were just laying in bed, go in through Tinder and he was trying to find her date and she was like swiping and chatting with some of the people and that's her, Jacqueline Hale.
36:12 --> 36:20 [SPEAKER_06]: This is just like a couple months ago and it was so weird because you know with YouTube it feels more like just people you know so I felt like I saw my friends suddenly in a TV show.
36:22 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting, I didn't look her up, so I had no idea where she was primed.
36:26 --> 36:30 [SPEAKER_01]: She didn't seem familiar to me at all, but I thought she pulled off a good young Melanie.
36:30 --> 36:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought she did look like her.
36:33 --> 36:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know, I just think, yeah, that whole interaction with Oliver or for Root, I guess, however you want to reference that.
36:41 --> 36:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And it made me wonder, is it, I guess it's maybe kind of both, but I'm wondering, is it more for Root?
36:47 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That's compelling her to do these things, or is it because of her left for Oliver?
36:52 --> 37:13 [SPEAKER_01]: that you know because she's telling them what's happening and you know she's following their orders and she's sunk right back you know where she doesn't want to be and I'm wondering if if it's both the best place I mean she's convinced herself that the world isn't real you know nothing is real so it doesn't really matter and she's tweaking out on something I think
37:14 --> 37:23 [SPEAKER_06]: There's scenes towards the end where she's really frantic, so I don't think that's Huka Smoke, I think she's on speed or Coke or something, who knows.
37:23 --> 37:27 [SPEAKER_06]: But she's, yeah, just in a very bad place.
37:27 --> 37:33 [SPEAKER_06]: And even towards the end, I think she mentioned something about she's like calling him to tell him that David's coming.
37:34 --> 37:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he's coming.
37:35 --> 37:36 [SPEAKER_06]: And he's by himself.
37:36 --> 37:39 [SPEAKER_06]: And he might like pluck your eye out or his eye.
37:39 --> 37:50 [SPEAKER_06]: So when she, I don't know if I understood that wrong, but it sounded like she had some concept that actually the shadow king and Oliver are melded together by that point.
37:50 --> 37:53 [SPEAKER_06]: So I don't think she's being deceived.
37:53 --> 37:54 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, hell, she went into this like,
37:55 --> 38:25 [SPEAKER_06]: mental oasis that the shadow king puts together and had a conversation with forrook right as a young yes yes so i think she she's all wrapped up in it she's in love with all of her the shadow king has his ways of probably throwing you off balance she's on drugs i i just think you know it's like what the show does is it melds mental illness or mental problems with mutant stuff so it's all like a big mixture of things together i think
38:25 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
38:26 --> 38:45 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's in a very vulnerable place, you know, with what's everything that's happening, you know, with with the drugs and feeling just very out of sorts with the whole thing, Oliver being gone and, you know, and her regrets, it, you know, allowing herself to be let along, you know, you know, continuing on with Oliver's dream, not living her own life, living her own dreams.
38:45 --> 38:50 [SPEAKER_01]: She's, you know, really just, I feel like in her and not great mental placements, what made her very vulnerable.
38:50 --> 39:02 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and one thing that I feel like maybe was kind of new, although I kind of suspected is, I really don't think Oliver ever loved her the way she loved him.
39:02 --> 39:04 [SPEAKER_06]: She kind of dedicated herself to his dream.
39:04 --> 39:05 [SPEAKER_06]: That's been made clear.
39:05 --> 39:08 [SPEAKER_06]: But what really clued me in was
39:08 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_06]: you know you get you you find out that she he was on ice for twenty one years or whatever it was twenty one years and you see images of her as young woman sitting by his side and by the his frozen body which he thought she had to do to keep him safe in case she could ever retrieve his psyche and now when they're meeting up he just casually says oh you should have just burnt me that I wouldn't have been in the ice
39:35 --> 39:47 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, thanks a lot like she was just trying to like protect him and and then he's like, yeah, then you could have released my mind into the multi-dimensional cosmos where I could have been where the real action is and he's she's like, well, what about me?
39:48 --> 39:49 [SPEAKER_06]: He didn't even think about them.
39:49 --> 39:53 [SPEAKER_06]: He just thought about himself and then he's all, oh, you could have tagged along, which is the worst.
39:54 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, nice.
39:56 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I know I hated that.
39:58 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Right, and she gets mad and he goes, oh, I mean, follow is that and that was sort of a call back to the way that he kept forgetting words in the first season.
40:06 --> 40:15 [SPEAKER_06]: I think when he was in this ice place, but it's not, I mean, follows no better like then he says later, oh, you were always game to follow me before.
40:15 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_06]: And so I think we're kind of getting that he never really respected her or loved her as much as she probably deserved.
40:22 --> 40:32 [SPEAKER_06]: And then the PA system says new symptom detected something about rage or something like that.
40:32 --> 40:39 [SPEAKER_06]: So maybe she's starting to get mad, although at the very end she's back to being in their grasp and his grasp.
40:40 --> 40:47 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, well, and while I agree with everything that you just said, how do we not know that that's all of her saying that I'm not for Rook?
40:48 --> 40:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he has like access, I think, to all of her thoughts and memories and things like that because Oki is Oki pying him, but how do we know that the words coming out are not for Rooks?
40:59 --> 40:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
40:59 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just- No, you're right.
41:01 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, when he first came back from being trapped, and he didn't have his memory back yet, he was kind of a loof with her, but he hadn't even had his memory back yet.
41:11 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_06]: And then I think he did remember her, but then he got taken by the show routine.
41:16 --> 41:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
41:17 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_06]: But I thought even then like I'd like to see some evidence that this guy really cares about her because so far it seems pretty one sided and now we get this this season where it also seems kind of one sided but yeah, you could be right.
41:29 --> 41:40 [SPEAKER_06]: We haven't really seen Oliver without any amnesia or shadow king influence and how he interacts with with Melanie.
41:41 --> 42:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like we've, the, the frozen Oliver that we met in season one, he was kind of stuck, you know, and he, he kind of remembers some things like he knew he loved cocktails and he remembered music and stuff, but he seemed to be stuck in that particular era from when he first went into that altered plane or alternate plane.
42:01 --> 42:09 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, he seemed kind of stuck there and then being away for so long, then yes, he forgot Melanie forgot their life and forgot everything that he had left behind.
42:11 --> 42:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, I think maybe part of me is just not wanting to believe that.
42:15 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_01]: You could be right.
42:16 --> 42:16 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
42:16 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I might be.
42:17 --> 42:17 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
42:18 --> 42:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, I'm just trying to think that it's a for manipulation.
42:21 --> 42:27 [SPEAKER_06]: One thing we do know is that she kind of followed him on his path.
42:28 --> 42:28 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
42:28 --> 42:31 [SPEAKER_06]: Like you don't get the sense she would have been doing any of that if not for him.
42:32 --> 42:33 [SPEAKER_06]: But that's okay.
42:33 --> 42:36 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that doesn't necessarily mean that he doesn't care about her.
42:37 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
42:38 --> 42:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
42:38 --> 42:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I think I just don't want it to be true.
42:40 --> 42:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe I'm just thinking, well, maybe it's for Rook.
42:43 --> 42:43 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it could be.
42:43 --> 42:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And if it is, I'd be disappointed because I thought that was kind of a shitty thing to say for him to be like, you should just burn me.
42:48 --> 43:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I could have just went off floating into, into this, you know, dream, dream stay, and she's thinking, and I know exactly what she's thinking, because like you said, there's her younger self sitting there next to his, you know, frozen body protecting him, trying to build him to come back like, hey, you know, remember me in the life that you've left behind and that you, you know,
43:07 --> 43:10 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, oh, you should just let me go, you know, what were you thinking?
43:10 --> 43:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, uh, I don't know.
43:12 --> 43:13 [SPEAKER_01]: How about a thank you?
43:14 --> 43:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm like, you fucking asshole.
43:17 --> 43:34 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's unclear how much of anything we're seeing from Oliver this season is, fruits influence, but he, because he's so calm about whatever he's saying he's not fighting for, but he does argue with him sometimes, or it says I'm gonna kill you, you know, stuff like that.
43:34 --> 43:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think that was Oliver.
43:35 --> 43:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was Oliver coming out.
43:37 --> 43:48 [SPEAKER_06]: That's why I sort of feel like maybe I don't know my sense is that he's never been that attentive of a partner, but we'll see I mean hopefully we'll see
43:49 --> 43:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope so.
43:50 --> 43:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see like, you know, we did get Oliver just a very, very small part of him.
43:56 --> 44:00 [SPEAKER_01]: He still had his amnesia until the very end, but we just finally got him back in his actual physical form.
44:01 --> 44:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Just for such a very short amount of time in season one, and he didn't have all of his memory backs.
44:05 --> 44:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I would really love to have like get a sense of who Oliver is and was
44:10 --> 44:15 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe see him demonstrate some of his power himself because he's supposed to be, you know, in his own right, a fairly powerful mutant.
44:16 --> 44:18 [SPEAKER_01]: So I hope that we get that.
44:18 --> 44:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope that we get a season theory and I hope that we get to see that.
44:21 --> 44:21 [SPEAKER_06]: Yep, me too.
44:22 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_06]: Where are we?
44:23 --> 44:23 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm lost.
44:24 --> 44:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That was my number three.
44:25 --> 44:31 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, mine was Melanie and Oliver relationship, which we've covered.
44:31 --> 44:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
44:33 --> 44:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, my number two was all about Lenny and I think that we've pretty much covered that as well.
44:40 --> 44:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really have anything else to add.
44:42 --> 44:43 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, let's see.
44:43 --> 44:50 [SPEAKER_06]: My number two is more about Melanie's state of mind and I think we covered all that too.
44:52 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_01]: We just keep talking about everything and not gonna all of our numbers off the list.
44:57 --> 44:57 [SPEAKER_07]: Fine.
45:00 --> 45:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Alright then, so number one, just in general an observation that I was thinking of, and especially that this keeps coming up again, and they even took the time to repeat it again.
45:11 --> 45:21 [SPEAKER_01]: In this episode, when Melanie is giving Sydney that speech again about the men, is the women of the show.
45:22 --> 45:26 [SPEAKER_01]: and how it kind of sucks to be a woman on this show so far.
45:27 --> 45:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like they focus so much on this loss of control.
45:32 --> 45:40 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that it's distinctive when it comes to the women when you think about Sydney and Melanie and Carrie and Lenny who now
45:40 --> 46:00 [SPEAKER_01]: We know is in love with David like Cindy's in love with David Lenny's in love with David Melanie's in love with all of her Carrie isn't quite in love with David or the other Carrie, but they do have this she's got that relationship with Carrie the yes that dependence She's my child I would say
46:00 --> 46:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's definitely more like a child or an adolescent in that way.
46:06 --> 46:14 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's like their loss of control isn't like all about that, you know, what we've seen with the psychic visions and the teeth chattering and stuff.
46:14 --> 46:16 [SPEAKER_01]: It's directly tied to the men that they love.
46:17 --> 46:32 [SPEAKER_06]: yeah yeah and I'm a little I feel a little critical of that it's um I don't know it's okay to have that but it's a bit cliche yeah it is and I worry a little bit just you know it's like
46:33 --> 46:51 [SPEAKER_01]: because we saw Sid how she's like you know she David goes off and leaves again and she's like nope you're not going off and leaving me again dammit and she takes action and she goes and parachutes and finds him you know Melanie kind of stayed and didn't really try to go after all of her for her she just feels like she's lost again well he's left me again and she's just
46:52 --> 46:56 [SPEAKER_01]: left her fate, you know, getting dope depth, but Sidney's taking action.
46:56 --> 47:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And I hope that shows Sidney's not going to try to end up like Melanie or doesn't want to end up like Melanie and do those same mistakes and not just be the supportive girlfriend to the hero or if David turns out to be the villain, I guess girlfriend of the villain.
47:10 --> 47:12 [SPEAKER_01]: And I hope that Legion recognizes that.
47:13 --> 47:19 [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll write this in a good manner in kind of reverse some of that.
47:19 --> 47:25 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, because like the first season, I don't remember exactly how everything played out.
47:25 --> 47:34 [SPEAKER_06]: But I think when Melanie first came on the scene, she seemed like just a strong woman, a leader, had her role.
47:34 --> 47:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Now she's the most like,
47:37 --> 47:39 [SPEAKER_06]: you know, just to her life is all about a man.
47:39 --> 47:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
47:40 --> 47:43 [SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, I don't, I don't really like that.
47:43 --> 47:56 [SPEAKER_06]: I guess the one that I feel like is the least of a problem as far as storytelling wise is carry because that's just such a unique relationship.
47:56 --> 48:01 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know, but with Melanie and Sid.
48:02 --> 48:07 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they're just wrapped up in their men and that feels like that story has been told so many times.
48:08 --> 48:08 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
48:09 --> 48:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, but even with Carrie, even though it's not a romantic relationship with male Carrie, you know, it's still the man in her life.
48:17 --> 48:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And because she goes along with what he says, you know, she wasn't into the plan.
48:22 --> 48:26 [SPEAKER_01]: She was kind of questioning things and he's just like, well, no, we just gotta go do this and she's like, okay.
48:28 --> 48:29 [SPEAKER_06]: But he's okay about it.
48:30 --> 48:37 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, he's more of the a little more, you know, like older brother figure, but he's not a jerk about at least not domineering.
48:38 --> 48:40 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I wouldn't say that.
48:40 --> 48:42 [SPEAKER_01]: And I wouldn't necessarily say that about all of her David either.
48:43 --> 48:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's like, I don't know, I just hate to see how, how work, you know, that that's kind of just where it's going.
48:50 --> 48:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know.
48:51 --> 48:57 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I wonder if, yeah, no Holly needs to tweak it a little bit or something.
48:58 --> 49:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just not ending very well for a lot of the women.
49:01 --> 49:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And then even, you know, Lenny and the things that has happened to her, um, you know, underfruits, control, and then, and yeah, and even, yeah, even Amy.
49:12 --> 49:14 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, kind of, just, I was thinking about it.
49:14 --> 49:18 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, damn, kind of sucks to be a woman in the Marvel universe right now.
49:18 --> 49:23 [SPEAKER_06]: Unless you're, uh, tonight, Guerrera.
49:24 --> 49:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
49:24 --> 49:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe just Legion, but, you know,
49:27 --> 49:28 [SPEAKER_06]: Are you looking forward to Captain Marvel?
49:30 --> 49:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Very much.
49:31 --> 49:31 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
49:31 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_06]: When's that coming?
49:32 --> 49:32 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
49:33 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh gosh.
49:33 --> 49:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.
49:33 --> 49:34 [SPEAKER_06]: I think next year.
49:34 --> 49:35 [SPEAKER_01]: It has to be next year.
49:35 --> 49:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I honestly don't know it's because they do the new Marvel movie every year or every month.
49:40 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems we've got a new Marvel movie.
49:42 --> 49:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't keep up.
49:43 --> 49:43 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's soon.
49:44 --> 49:44 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm pretty sure.
49:44 --> 49:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Man in the wasp is next and then Captain Marvel and then the next Avengers comes after that.
49:55 --> 50:03 [SPEAKER_06]: Alright, my number one is Carrie and Carrie and I'm pretty sure we talked about everything I had to say about that too.
50:04 --> 50:04 [SPEAKER_06]: Yep.
50:04 --> 50:05 [SPEAKER_06]: Cool.
50:05 --> 50:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Can you notice?
50:09 --> 50:26 [SPEAKER_01]: just if you just I wanted to again just give a shout out like to the music was so fantastic I mean yeah I mean all all the music was great as always but especially this episode I really really loved it was cute it just the right moments
50:27 --> 50:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I really, again, just love all the cinematography.
50:30 --> 50:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you notice in the room that the new gene was in, that that whole room was post-its or that whole wall was post-its?
50:38 --> 50:42 [SPEAKER_01]: It was all post-its and it was in the shape it showed the shape of an eye.
50:44 --> 50:45 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I really love that.
50:46 --> 50:47 [SPEAKER_01]: It was really trippy.
50:47 --> 50:48 [SPEAKER_01]: So I really love that.
50:48 --> 50:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was kind of interesting when they were talking because we learned all of it was in the ice for twenty-one years.
50:57 --> 51:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And when he went into the ice, Mumbai was still called Bombay, which it was Bombay until nineteen ninety-five.
51:04 --> 51:07 [SPEAKER_01]: So he had to went on to the ice on or before nineteen ninety-five.
51:08 --> 51:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He spent twenty-one years there.
51:10 --> 51:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Came out of the ice on or before twenty-sixteen.
51:17 --> 51:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then so does that mean that we like season two is because we're always kind of questioning based on like close you see people wear the technology the cars and things like that we're always kind of not really sure what time we're in but it feels like we're kind of pretty current like yeah between nineteen night where was it like at least twenty seventeen earlier
51:41 --> 51:45 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, it's a stylized version of modern day.
51:45 --> 51:48 [SPEAKER_06]: Then don't... What do they use cell phones?
51:49 --> 51:49 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
51:50 --> 51:53 [SPEAKER_06]: It feels like a mixture of the sixties sometimes.
51:53 --> 51:59 [SPEAKER_06]: And I think I don't think it's super important for Noah Holly to pinpoint an exact date.
52:00 --> 52:01 [SPEAKER_06]: But I think it's obviously modern.
52:01 --> 52:05 [SPEAKER_06]: It might even be just like feel like a little futuristic sometimes.
52:06 --> 52:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
52:08 --> 52:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, super cool.
52:09 --> 52:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Those are all my notes.
52:11 --> 52:32 [SPEAKER_06]: let's see do do oh so Lenny fulfilled her role the carries fulfilled their role Clark did not fulfill his role so interesting to see if that was very important like crucial maybe yeah like oh we don't have Clark well mission bail yeah right you don't have the fun for the weapon
52:34 --> 52:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Well he was pictured because he kind of saw from where David was like pinpointing everyone and positioning everyone.
52:40 --> 52:42 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw Lenny with the gun.
52:42 --> 52:51 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw, I don't know if we saw Carrie and Carrie what they were doing exactly but we saw Clark with the couple of the vermillion and the tuning fork.
52:53 --> 52:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't know and I never thought I'd ever utter those words together in a sentence ever but I guess only with Legion.
53:00 --> 53:03 [SPEAKER_01]: But I talk about mustacheed women and a tuning fork.
53:07 --> 53:08 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, what else?
53:08 --> 53:11 [SPEAKER_06]: Let's see, David was not in this episode.
53:12 --> 53:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Only in a flashback.
53:13 --> 53:13 [SPEAKER_06]: He was.
53:14 --> 53:27 [SPEAKER_01]: He was because it showed the flashback of when he walked up to Carrie and was it Clark and did the little ping with his fingers and kind of like thumbed their head and... Oh, that's right.
53:27 --> 53:31 [SPEAKER_01]: But just the flashback and then we got Sid in the flashback, but that's the only time we saw them.
53:32 --> 53:32 [SPEAKER_06]: And that's cool, right?
53:33 --> 53:35 [SPEAKER_06]: It's fun to have an episode without them.
53:36 --> 53:43 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I think it's going to be in our listener feedback about people going, well, this supposed to be an ensemble show.
53:43 --> 53:46 [SPEAKER_06]: Well, this really got, you got to put some focus on the other character, so that was nice.
53:47 --> 53:54 [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, um, and then the whole John Ham thing with the bipolar disorder was really interesting Just kidding.
53:54 --> 53:55 [SPEAKER_06]: There was no John Ham thing this week.
53:56 --> 53:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
53:58 --> 53:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I was like what?
54:01 --> 54:02 [SPEAKER_00]: And that was fun with me.
54:02 --> 54:09 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we don't need we don't need John Ham every episode Maybe they'll be no more John.
54:09 --> 54:10 [SPEAKER_01]: I disagree
54:12 --> 54:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.
54:13 --> 54:18 [SPEAKER_06]: I can come in and say, all right, this week, he doesn't say like that.
54:18 --> 54:21 [SPEAKER_06]: He's like, just talking about abandonment issues.
54:21 --> 54:22 [SPEAKER_06]: Then he's like, Oh, got to go.
54:23 --> 54:24 [SPEAKER_06]: So it's like a second slow.
54:24 --> 54:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it never hurts to have a little John Ham voice.
54:27 --> 54:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's got a great voice.
54:30 --> 54:30 [SPEAKER_06]: That was supposed to be.
54:30 --> 54:31 [SPEAKER_01]: That's probably why he works.
54:32 --> 54:32 [SPEAKER_01]: So.
54:33 --> 54:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
54:34 --> 54:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I totally, if you can tell when I wrote it in my head.
54:36 --> 54:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
54:39 --> 54:40 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, we're back.
54:40 --> 54:41 [SPEAKER_06]: It's time for the news.
54:42 --> 54:43 [SPEAKER_06]: It's in the news.
54:43 --> 54:45 [SPEAKER_06]: All this Legion news coming out lately.
54:45 --> 54:45 [SPEAKER_06]: I've noticed.
54:46 --> 54:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
54:46 --> 54:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
54:47 --> 54:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know what you're reading versus what I'm reading because there hasn't been a whole lot.
54:51 --> 54:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if that's good or bad because I'm waiting for announcement for season three.
54:57 --> 54:58 [SPEAKER_06]: No news is good news.
54:59 --> 54:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe.
55:00 --> 55:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go with no news as good news because I'm maintaining my positivity and for now.
55:07 --> 55:08 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see how long it holds out.
55:08 --> 55:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So one item that I have for this week that is from the Nerdist.
55:13 --> 55:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So while we're waiting for, you know, legions season three because I'm going to will it to happen.
55:19 --> 55:20 [SPEAKER_01]: But in that meantime, if
55:21 --> 55:27 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a list of seven comics that you have to read if you're a legend fan and this comes from like I said, uh, noticed.
55:28 --> 55:34 [SPEAKER_01]: They have one here and Jason tell me if you've heard of any of these or read of any of any of them and let us know if you recommend it.
55:34 --> 55:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the first one is the new mutants issues, twenty five to twenty seven.
55:39 --> 55:43 [SPEAKER_06]: One of my favorite runs of comics of all time.
55:43 --> 55:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, it says it's from Chris Claremont and Bill Sinkowitz.
55:47 --> 55:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Think of it, yeah.
55:48 --> 55:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Think of it, sorry.
55:49 --> 55:54 [SPEAKER_06]: This, yeah, this is where I think probably where Legion first gets introduced.
55:55 --> 55:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
55:56 --> 56:08 [SPEAKER_06]: And Bill Sink Richards art is very chaotic and dark and inky and just like goes off in all directions, but when I first saw it as a kid, I was like,
56:09 --> 56:13 [SPEAKER_06]: Fuck is this, but over time I came to appreciate it a lot, and yeah, it's really good.
56:14 --> 56:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Good, yep.
56:15 --> 56:24 [SPEAKER_01]: As soon as you said that, that's where I read it, it said that's where David Holler made his official debut in this issue of Marvel's The New Mutants, and they do give the art a plus in this.
56:25 --> 56:31 [SPEAKER_01]: The next one on the list is X-Men Legacy Volume II, with Simon Spurrier in various artists.
56:33 --> 56:34 [SPEAKER_06]: Who Simon Spiriers he?
56:34 --> 56:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the artist either the writer or the artist.
56:38 --> 56:52 [SPEAKER_06]: I think I'm not positive, but I think that may have been written by Mike Kerry who also wrote girl with all the gifts this zombie book that I recommend all the time Anyway, either way.
56:52 --> 56:53 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's good.
56:53 --> 56:55 [SPEAKER_06]: It's just another good Legion story that came later on
56:56 --> 56:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
56:58 --> 57:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So the next one is called, no, I don't know that this one is much to do with David Holler, but we're trying to just kind of stay in the universe that if you like Legion, you're probably going to like some of these other ones.
57:09 --> 57:11 [SPEAKER_01]: This one is called stray toasters.
57:12 --> 57:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Also from Bill, think of it's.
57:17 --> 57:21 [SPEAKER_01]: They say on here, as Monty Python would say, and now for something completely different.
57:21 --> 57:25 [SPEAKER_01]: This was published by Marvel's now defunct epic comics.
57:25 --> 57:30 [SPEAKER_01]: In print for creator-owned work, Stray Toster's, in eighteen, eighty-eight is hard to describe, but here it goes.
57:31 --> 57:37 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a serial killer on the loose who replaces people's inner squishy parts with machinery and has a toaster for a head.
57:39 --> 57:45 [SPEAKER_01]: On his trail is criminals, psychologists, supernatural, dablar, egon, rest of magic.
57:45 --> 57:48 [SPEAKER_01]: recently released from a mental institution.
57:49 --> 57:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Could Todd, a young boy with a strange connection to the toasted, toaster-headed killer, keep our help him unravel this case.
57:56 --> 57:59 [SPEAKER_01]: So we've got a person with a toaster for a head like Fiki.
57:59 --> 58:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Yummy's got a basket on his head.
58:01 --> 58:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So if that sounds interesting, check it out.
58:04 --> 58:06 [SPEAKER_06]: That always got really good reviews.
58:06 --> 58:11 [SPEAKER_06]: By the way, the X-Men legacy is, yeah, Simon Sprayers, the writer.
58:11 --> 58:16 [SPEAKER_06]: It's not my carry, but I do remember reading that, and the art is fantastic, and the story is super trippy.
58:17 --> 58:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Sweet.
58:18 --> 58:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's right up our alley with Legion.
58:20 --> 58:21 [SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure.
58:22 --> 58:24 [SPEAKER_01]: The next one is called Doom Patrol.
58:25 --> 58:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Great Morrison and Richard Case.
58:28 --> 58:38 [SPEAKER_06]: This one is fantastic and very good for yeah, I can understand why they would recommend this for Legion people because his stories are super trippy.
58:38 --> 58:41 [SPEAKER_06]: I've never read Doom Patrol, but I've read a bunch of his other stuff.
58:41 --> 58:41 [SPEAKER_06]: He's one of my favorites.
58:42 --> 58:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay cool, so good recommendation.
58:44 --> 58:47 [SPEAKER_01]: The next one is the Invisible's.
58:47 --> 58:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Also Grant Morrison and various artists.
58:51 --> 58:59 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I feel like that is better understood if you're tripping on something.
58:59 --> 59:04 [SPEAKER_06]: That's like, yeah, what his signature independent comic that he wrote.
59:04 --> 59:10 [SPEAKER_06]: And it's people say that the Wachowski's ripped him off when they did matrix.
59:10 --> 59:11 [SPEAKER_06]: They ripped those rules.
59:12 --> 59:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
59:13 --> 59:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they do mention here that kicking things up about a billion notches, the invisibles is a masterclass in Legion-esque weirdness.
59:24 --> 59:26 [SPEAKER_01]: That sounds exactly about what you said.
59:27 --> 59:34 [SPEAKER_01]: So the next one is Omega, the Unknown, with Jonathan, is Leatham and Farrell Darrelimbo.
59:38 --> 59:48 [SPEAKER_01]: The description for it is an acclaimed novelist plus an acclaimed indie artist on an obscure Marvel superhero who would have guessed the end result would be so brain tickling.
59:48 --> 59:59 [SPEAKER_01]: The ten issue miniseries revives the titular hero and mega the unknown with a prestige fiction feel and in the process spears into the heart of what the heck is going on territory.
59:59 --> 01:00:03 [SPEAKER_01]: So not a whole lot about this one, but they're recommending it.
01:00:03 --> 01:00:08 [SPEAKER_01]: The last one on the list is a nigma from Peter Milligan and Duncan for Greeto.
01:00:09 --> 01:00:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that ring a bell?
01:00:11 --> 01:00:14 [SPEAKER_06]: I know that I know the writer, but I've never read that
01:00:15 --> 01:00:20 [SPEAKER_01]: It says, uh, can we separate ourselves from the narratives the shape is and what would we do if we could?
01:00:20 --> 01:00:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Milligan and for Gritos and Nigma revolves around a young man whose life is beginning to resemble that of his favorite superhero, complete with themed arch enemies and a backstory so secret that even he didn't know about it.
01:00:33 --> 01:00:48 [SPEAKER_01]: For Grida's scratchy, almost aggressively, Inky lines emphasize the blurred boundaries between reality and fiction at a visceral level while Milligan's interest in seeing how many times a story can be folded in on itself brings the reader face to face with some uncomfortable questions.
01:00:49 --> 01:00:50 [SPEAKER_06]: It sounds really good.
01:00:50 --> 01:00:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's interesting.
01:00:51 --> 01:00:55 [SPEAKER_01]: So there you have seven comics while we're waiting for season three of Legion.
01:00:55 --> 01:00:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Go check them out.
01:00:57 --> 01:00:57 [SPEAKER_06]: cool.
01:00:57 --> 01:01:02 [SPEAKER_06]: And if season three doesn't come out, then I will do a radio play for you.
01:01:04 --> 01:01:04 [SPEAKER_01]: But you're tongue.
01:01:04 --> 01:01:05 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to happen.
01:01:07 --> 01:01:07 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
01:01:07 --> 01:01:09 [SPEAKER_06]: Now it's time for mental notes.
01:01:09 --> 01:01:19 [SPEAKER_06]: Although first, Steve Brown says, love the repo man homage with the car turning green before teleporting Amber Mid Thunder is great in this episode as well as Bill Irwin.
01:01:20 --> 01:01:21 [SPEAKER_01]: agreed.
01:01:22 --> 01:01:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Rory Tom says, man, I gotta get me some of that blue stuff.
01:01:26 --> 01:01:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe then I could fathom how this is gonna end, because I have a feeling it's not gonna work out quite like David has planned.
01:01:32 --> 01:01:37 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was just thinking, I want a vaporizer of a smoking chimp, and then there's one on screen.
01:01:38 --> 01:01:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this is just all my delusion.
01:01:41 --> 01:01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Love the podcast Jason and Rima.
01:01:42 --> 01:01:45 [SPEAKER_01]: No one I know is watching it down here, and I'll Australia.
01:01:46 --> 01:01:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Your accent is pretty bad, by the way.
01:01:47 --> 01:01:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's great to hear your take.
01:01:50 --> 01:01:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember doing that.
01:01:52 --> 01:01:53 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember doing one.
01:01:54 --> 01:01:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Did I do an Australian accent?
01:01:55 --> 01:01:58 [SPEAKER_01]: I try not to because my accent's I'll give it to you.
01:01:58 --> 01:01:59 [SPEAKER_01]: My accents if I did one.
01:01:59 --> 01:02:00 [SPEAKER_01]: They are horrible.
01:02:00 --> 01:02:01 [SPEAKER_06]: I can't do.
01:02:01 --> 01:02:01 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
01:02:02 --> 01:02:03 [SPEAKER_06]: You already have one though.
01:02:03 --> 01:02:04 [SPEAKER_06]: So just normal.
01:02:06 --> 01:02:06 [SPEAKER_01]: What?
01:02:07 --> 01:02:08 [SPEAKER_06]: What do you talking about?
01:02:08 --> 01:02:09 [SPEAKER_06]: Just kidding.
01:02:09 --> 01:02:11 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
01:02:11 --> 01:02:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, you're not kidding.
01:02:12 --> 01:02:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I know you're not kidding.
01:02:13 --> 01:02:15 [SPEAKER_01]: She's giving me hard time.
01:02:16 --> 01:02:17 [SPEAKER_06]: Everybody has an accent.
01:02:17 --> 01:02:17 [SPEAKER_06]: Sort of.
01:02:19 --> 01:02:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:02:20 --> 01:02:30 [SPEAKER_06]: Elizabeth Nicolave, it says, what is happening is the shadow king is the mind fuck and Legion and the audience are the mind fucked.
01:02:33 --> 01:02:34 [SPEAKER_06]: So, yeah, I guess.
01:02:35 --> 01:02:36 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm feeling that.
01:02:36 --> 01:02:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel at every time I watch an episode.
01:02:42 --> 01:02:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Lar Willy Swink says, yet another beautiful episode of Legion.
01:02:47 --> 01:02:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Once again, Noah Holly and composer Jeff Russo are absolutely killing it with musical selections.
01:02:53 --> 01:02:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that song by the flaming lips.
01:02:55 --> 01:02:57 [SPEAKER_01]: I knew you would love, I was thinking of you.
01:02:57 --> 01:03:04 [SPEAKER_01]: The feel of this episode with Melanie's drug haze and Lenny's party in the drug den reminded me of the movie Requeem for a dream.
01:03:04 --> 01:03:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought I was getting a bit of a contact eye for myself.
01:03:09 --> 01:03:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I loved the focus on other characters aside from David and Sid.
01:03:13 --> 01:03:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Melanie and Oliver's bittersweet love story had me seriously heartbroken.
01:03:18 --> 01:03:23 [SPEAKER_01]: I think when Melanie says vacant lot is a saddest word in the English language she's referring to herself.
01:03:24 --> 01:03:28 [SPEAKER_01]: And the brief interaction between the carries and the diner was somber and sweet.
01:03:28 --> 01:03:33 [SPEAKER_01]: All admit I'm still confused as to where the story is going, but I'll also admit that I don't even care.
01:03:33 --> 01:03:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm enjoying all the scenery on this wild ride, and I know that in the end it's all going to come together the same way it did last season.
01:03:40 --> 01:03:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Then the rewatch will be that much more enjoyable to watch as the disparate pieces of the puzzle begin to form the final picture.
01:03:47 --> 01:03:48 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you Laura.
01:03:48 --> 01:04:06 [SPEAKER_06]: That requiem for a dream is a perfect example of a very well-made work, but because it deals with problems, mental problems might not really mental, but these are, this is more about addicts that you feel so wrapped up in it and anxious with this movie.
01:04:06 --> 01:04:07 [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's a really good movie.
01:04:07 --> 01:04:12 [SPEAKER_06]: It's got Jared Leto and Jennifer Connelly.
01:04:13 --> 01:04:20 [SPEAKER_06]: And it's all just so intense with addiction and how that can go to extreme.
01:04:20 --> 01:04:22 [SPEAKER_06]: Like somebody loses an arm by the end.
01:04:22 --> 01:04:25 [SPEAKER_06]: And there's a jeep.
01:04:25 --> 01:04:33 [SPEAKER_06]: I remember at the very end of the movie where it got to this crescendo of intensity of a woman a few seats in front of me fainted into the aisle.
01:04:33 --> 01:04:35 [SPEAKER_06]: Oh wow.
01:04:35 --> 01:04:36 [SPEAKER_06]: Look at this green and looking down to the aisle.
01:04:38 --> 01:04:40 [SPEAKER_06]: See, if you're up for something like that, recommend for a dream.
01:04:41 --> 01:04:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I can handle it.
01:04:43 --> 01:04:43 [SPEAKER_06]: I know.
01:04:45 --> 01:04:49 [SPEAKER_06]: And then we have Jess who says, hey guys, I'm a new listener, so not sure if you touched on this.
01:04:50 --> 01:04:52 [SPEAKER_06]: It looks like the characters are coming back together soon.
01:04:52 --> 01:04:55 [SPEAKER_06]: This was, I think, she wrote before this week's episode.
01:04:56 --> 01:05:00 [SPEAKER_06]: But I was wondering if Holly has said he intentionally diminished character roles this year.
01:05:01 --> 01:05:08 [SPEAKER_06]: I feel sad that the mustache for million have had way more lines in screen time than the great Jean Smart Bill Erwin and even Aubrey Plaza and Germaine Clement.
01:05:09 --> 01:05:14 [SPEAKER_06]: The first season was so full of character development and group interactions, even the eye and the doctors.
01:05:15 --> 01:05:19 [SPEAKER_06]: This season seems like it's solely the fruit show for character and the actor.
01:05:19 --> 01:05:23 [SPEAKER_06]: It's highly plot driven with a couple highlight episodes for David Amy and Sid.
01:05:24 --> 01:05:26 [SPEAKER_06]: But they were repetitious and not developmental.
01:05:27 --> 01:05:29 [SPEAKER_06]: Do you have insight into why the shift?
01:05:30 --> 01:05:30 [SPEAKER_06]: Nope.
01:05:30 --> 01:05:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
01:05:33 --> 01:05:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I read just about everything you can imagine on this show and Noah Holly and interviews that he has conducted and I absolutely have absolutely no I've never heard him say anything like that but I think if maybe you are an episode behind you'll be pleased by some of the stuff that we get in this.
01:05:51 --> 01:05:54 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm sure she's seen it by now by the time you end this.
01:05:54 --> 01:06:10 [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, hopefully you like this one better maybe I can back to season one, but I have to say I agree that you know it was a great ensemble and good to see them working together, but I also like that Noah Holly has the courage to try different things and not just keep repeating what worked, you know?
01:06:11 --> 01:06:14 [SPEAKER_06]: Hopefully that won't do in the end, but I'm really digging this season.
01:06:15 --> 01:06:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think I mean, we still have a couple more ups that we don't have to more to go.
01:06:19 --> 01:06:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So we don't know what's going to happen in these next two episodes.
01:06:21 --> 01:06:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we will get more of our characters and they're all going to be together and we'll get more of that group in our action.
01:06:26 --> 01:06:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So we don't know.
01:06:28 --> 01:06:28 [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
01:06:28 --> 01:06:32 [SPEAKER_06]: We got a couple of calls here is our good friend Steve Brown.
01:06:33 --> 01:06:34 [SPEAKER_06]: Are you a good person?
01:06:34 --> 01:06:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, reminjation.
01:06:36 --> 01:06:37 [SPEAKER_02]: It's Steve from Oklahoma City.
01:06:39 --> 01:06:44 [SPEAKER_02]: having quite finished rewatching chapter seventeen of Legion yet, but wanted to send this in.
01:06:44 --> 01:06:46 [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully it gets in on time.
01:06:46 --> 01:06:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Love the conversation between Melanie and female carry about the nature of reality.
01:06:53 --> 01:06:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Little disappointed that this entire season so far apparently is only like two weeks.
01:06:58 --> 01:07:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess because they said thirteen days earlier at the beginning of the episode.
01:07:03 --> 01:07:05 [SPEAKER_02]: And just the fact that we're
01:07:06 --> 01:07:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess what we're seeing is all the pieces going into place that David had started moving in last week's episode, that chess game that he's sort of doing.
01:07:19 --> 01:07:28 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'll be pauses portraying this episode as great her talking with Amy and just all the revelations that we got.
01:07:29 --> 01:07:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And had won last comment before I'd shut off here.
01:07:34 --> 01:07:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was interesting that Oliver said if he had burned his body, he would have still been able to exist his corporeal form or his non corporeal form would have still been able to exist.
01:07:45 --> 01:07:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, can't wait to hear what you guys think of this episode.
01:07:50 --> 01:07:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
01:07:51 --> 01:07:51 [SPEAKER_06]: Thanks, dude.
01:07:52 --> 01:07:53 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Steve.
01:07:54 --> 01:07:59 [SPEAKER_06]: And now we have Ian Runei, I think.
01:08:00 --> 01:08:06 [SPEAKER_06]: Ian sent in a ten minute call, which I cut down, because he gave me a permission to.
01:08:06 --> 01:08:08 [SPEAKER_06]: So here's some of it.
01:08:08 --> 01:08:08 [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you Ian.
01:08:10 --> 01:08:11 [SPEAKER_05]: Hello, Jason and Rema.
01:08:11 --> 01:08:17 [SPEAKER_05]: I heard Rema last week say you haven't got any voice messages yet, so I thought it after this episode of the show, I'd recall one for you.
01:08:18 --> 01:08:26 [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you, so do you say you want an accent and her dream is poor attempt at an Aussie accent, but don't blame me for that.
01:08:26 --> 01:08:27 [SPEAKER_05]: You're American, we get it.
01:08:29 --> 01:08:30 [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, I thought I'd just say.
01:08:30 --> 01:08:33 [SPEAKER_05]: Love you, show you a great podcast and fucking carry carry.
01:08:33 --> 01:08:37 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, is it weird that I was smiling through the whole scene as I'm talking about
01:08:38 --> 01:08:43 [SPEAKER_05]: Saying is like, I had feeling blue and you got time on your hands, she looks at her hands and all.
01:08:44 --> 01:08:53 [SPEAKER_05]: But when Carrey said to Carrey, to go Carrey said to boy Carrey that before death got to him, she would step him in the heart twice.
01:08:55 --> 01:08:56 [SPEAKER_05]: I smiled at that point.
01:08:57 --> 01:09:00 [SPEAKER_05]: When Carrey said it was implausible and round the gruesome image, I smiled a bit more.
01:09:01 --> 01:09:03 [SPEAKER_05]: But it wasn't until he said it was also comforting.
01:09:04 --> 01:09:05 [SPEAKER_05]: That was when I actually chucked out loud.
01:09:05 --> 01:09:06 [SPEAKER_05]: Is that wrong?
01:09:06 --> 01:09:25 [SPEAKER_05]: was at the wrong place to chuckle but for some reason that tickled me anyway so great job guys keep it up can't wait for you to hear you take on this week's legend wait for it and I hope you know lactose intolerant cause the next words about to be dairy sure
01:09:27 --> 01:09:34 [SPEAKER_04]: and pace out from the land and under your bloody, bloody legends, bloody legend legends, legendary legends.
01:09:34 --> 01:09:36 [SPEAKER_04]: Bye.
01:09:39 --> 01:09:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
01:09:40 --> 01:09:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you Ian.
01:09:42 --> 01:09:43 [SPEAKER_01]: That was amazing.
01:09:44 --> 01:09:49 [SPEAKER_01]: And thank you for calling in because I do love accents and I'm looking at you too, Rory.
01:09:50 --> 01:09:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Next time you need to leave us a voicemail.
01:09:53 --> 01:09:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I guess that was my, I don't know.
01:09:55 --> 01:09:56 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember what the hell I did.
01:09:56 --> 01:09:58 [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't even remember what you doing that.
01:09:58 --> 01:10:01 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, look, folks, I wish I could promise I'm never gonna do it again.
01:10:01 --> 01:10:02 [SPEAKER_01]: But I drink.
01:10:02 --> 01:10:03 [SPEAKER_06]: Hello, mate.
01:10:03 --> 01:10:03 [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
01:10:04 --> 01:10:07 [SPEAKER_01]: No, now see it's gonna be you this time because look, I can't.
01:10:07 --> 01:10:09 [SPEAKER_06]: See you trying to take a little of the heat for you.
01:10:09 --> 01:10:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's okay.
01:10:10 --> 01:10:11 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't mind it because I know I suck with accents.
01:10:12 --> 01:10:12 [SPEAKER_01]: I totally own it.
01:10:13 --> 01:10:15 [SPEAKER_01]: And I wish I could promise that I'm not going to do it again.
01:10:15 --> 01:10:17 [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I drink a lot when we do these podcasts.
01:10:17 --> 01:10:19 [SPEAKER_01]: So you don't know what the hell I'm going to do.
01:10:19 --> 01:10:21 [SPEAKER_01]: So next, we don't know sorry.
01:10:21 --> 01:10:24 [SPEAKER_06]: Do the whole episode in a rema accent.
01:10:25 --> 01:10:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Stop it.
01:10:27 --> 01:10:28 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have an accent.
01:10:29 --> 01:10:29 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not a good person.
01:10:31 --> 01:10:32 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not the worst.
01:10:32 --> 01:10:33 [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not the worst.
01:10:33 --> 01:10:34 [SPEAKER_06]: Pretty close.
01:10:45 --> 01:10:46 [SPEAKER_06]: All right, that is our show, episode seventeen.
01:10:46 --> 01:10:48 [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you for listening to everybody.
01:10:49 --> 01:10:55 [SPEAKER_06]: Thanks again to Rhett Ward von Dornberg for letting us use this song that you're hearing right now under my voice.
01:10:55 --> 01:11:00 [SPEAKER_06]: It's called Stay A Wild and you can find it and more of Rhett which work at thecaraville.net.
01:11:01 --> 01:11:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
01:11:01 --> 01:11:08 [SPEAKER_06]: If you want to get in touch with us, you can email our send of voice message to us at Legion at podcast to get.com.
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01:11:14 --> 01:11:18 [SPEAKER_06]: Be sure to check out our other shows at podcastica.com.
01:11:19 --> 01:11:22 [SPEAKER_06]: If you're not tired of thinking after the show, check out Westworld.
01:11:23 --> 01:11:24 [SPEAKER_06]: If you want to.
01:11:24 --> 01:11:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:11:25 --> 01:11:27 [SPEAKER_06]: Check out Walking Dead.
01:11:27 --> 01:11:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Just kidding.
01:11:28 --> 01:11:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Makes absolutely no thought at all.
01:11:32 --> 01:11:33 [SPEAKER_06]: Alright, that's our show.
01:11:33 --> 01:11:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for listening.
01:11:35 --> 01:11:37 [SPEAKER_06]: Have you ever seen an electric octopus?
01:11:38 --> 01:11:38 [SPEAKER_06]: I haven't.
01:11:39 --> 01:11:40 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that one had.
01:11:40 --> 01:11:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that was a true octopus.
01:11:42 --> 01:11:43 [SPEAKER_06]: But was it a square?
01:11:43 --> 01:11:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I had eight legs.
01:11:44 --> 01:11:45 [SPEAKER_06]: It shows bullshit.