93: "Isle of Joy" (Daredevil: Born Again S1E8)

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[00:02:16] You're gonna suck. Fuck you. Hey, everybody. Welcome to Daredevil Born Again, a podcast Marvel TV cast. I'm Jim. And I'm Kurt. The episode we're going to be discussing is season one, episode eight, Isle of Joy,

[00:02:44] written by Jess Wigatow and showrunner Dario Scarraban, and directed by Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead. I don't know if that's really how you say his name, but from now on, that's really how we... I don't think it's how you say any of those names. It's just how I say them today, at this moment. Don't ask me to say them again. It'll be different. If you go through all of our episodes, I can't... Oh, somebody please do that. Scardapane? It's Scardapane, yeah.

[00:03:14] Well, I don't know. There's no interviews with anybody saying his name. Is it Wigutow? Yes, it is. Is the Wigutow. All those ways. I think he's flexible. I do want to preface, this is the new team. This is one of those new episodes where they wrote and directed episode one. Benson and Moorhead were the executive producers and directors on Loki season two,

[00:03:41] and were also directors on Moon Knight, which somehow fit together. And Scardapane, as we've mentioned before, was the co-executive producer for season one of The Punisher, and he was the executive producer of season two. Scardapane also wrote this episode. And this is a crew of individuals who, as much as the last three or four directors have shown their love for Daredevil, like these directors, you can tell are kind of in the same mold as like the Russo brothers,

[00:04:09] in that they sort of, the way that they enjoy these characters, you can tell they're comic book fans. I watched them talking about Bullseye and Wilson Bethel, the guy who plays him, and we'll get to all that when we get to our points. But there's a joy for that character that lets you know that they're comic book guys, and they're guys that kind of understand the MCU, and they understand the comic book framing, and they understand the fandom, and they're fans as much as they are directors.

[00:04:35] And I think we got to see them sort of kind of strip away from the choppiness of the last few episodes. And when I say choppiness, I don't mean that necessarily in a bad way, but this definitely felt to me like a cohesive, a more cohesive, put together kind of direction that we're now heading in. But, you know, with all of that said, Kirk, you know, where are you at now with the series? We've got one more left. We've got our season finale.

[00:05:01] And now we have no more worries about trying to piece things together. We're kind of in a new land of the showrunners and the directors of, I think, complete season two now running the ship. How are they steering it? I thought they did a great job. I think this episode is tied for my favorite with that. Was it episode seven? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:05:32] So I think, you know, that the storytelling was better. The dialogue was better. The camera usage was better. The use of color throughout the episode was really well done. It just felt the depth, the depth of character. We got some real depth in this episode, too, with some of our marginal characters from previous episodes are now getting kind of the things we've been beefing about. We're finally getting.

[00:06:27] Yeah. Separate from that. You know what I mean? Sure. Sure. All right. Let's not. I think this crew would have done a better job with some of the earlier episodes. Yeah. Well, I will give them credit where credit is due. They came in and they took those six episodes and they put them together, I think, in an impactful and effective way. And I think going back and rewatching this at some point will be kind of an interesting viewpoint now that you have once you have the whole story. I think.

[00:06:57] I'm not sure if it will be more cohesive to me or not. And as I watched this episode, ironically enough, I really was trying to place it within the confines of all of the Marvel series. And there's things I love about it and things that I don't love about it. So I'm not really sure where to place this.

[00:07:13] But I do think that if I were to watch the first three Netflix seasons and follow it up with this one, I think they would have to hit a home run for me to put it ahead of. I know last week I said it was ahead of season three, but I watched some of season three this week. And I don't know that I feel that way. I love it.

[00:07:36] I just there's part there's critiques that I think we both mentioned throughout that I don't know that I had with any of the first three seasons in the Netflix series. But I will give the former showrunners and the current showrunners. I think that both sides of this had really good quality. It's just trying to weld it all together was just a monumental task to do.

[00:07:57] Yeah, I mean, I think that I think the reality is what and you can you can kind of tell and know from the reading as well as but just from watching it. You know, they were faced with a really tough task. I mean, they shot almost the entire season. And and basically it was trash. Yeah. And they were faced with, well, how do you know, how do we redeem this? We get the right people. And that's the first thing. But then, you know, so they had to kind of patch the quilt together.

[00:08:26] They created a whole new pilot. First episode, really. I don't know. It's not a pilot, but first episode. Yeah. In essence, it was, though, when you think when you look at it, it really has that pilot feel because it's yeah, it sets the tone, but very much separate from the rest of the season, other than sending our main characters off on in the direction that they're they're on.

[00:08:48] But I think, you know, I have a lot more tolerance, I guess, for the fact that it was a little weaker in the middle because of that fact. And I have good hopes for the second season because of these final couple episodes. Yeah. Well, let's not waste any time. Let's dive into point number one. Kirk, what do you got? Well, I just want to talk about Bullseye. I think, you know, I think he just. Just so you know, that's my point one as well.

[00:09:18] This will be a fun conversation. Well, good. We'll just we'll just do. Then let's just go back and forth and cover both our points on it. And I think he was really given. This was really his intro. You know what I mean? Sure. And it was and it was golden. The opening shot of the blue rose just close up was just like perfect. I mean, you know, the blue roses are not natural. Right.

[00:09:44] They're genetically altered and very rare. So I think, you know, the choice of a rose was was partly that. And I think on point. Did you did you say genetically altered? Yeah. OK, continue. Continue. I'm sorry. Everyone listen. Kirk sent me a Instagram earlier today. Well, actually late last night that I think we're going to hit on here in this conversation. But I. Yeah, we'll talk to him.

[00:10:14] Go ahead. Talk to him. Yeah. Well, I we talked early in episode one, we talked about cadmium and versus adamantium and how they couldn't use adamantium. But at the end of season three, they you know, they we weren't really sure what exactly they were doing to bullseye. We just knew that he was getting reinforced with cadmium. And we find out in this episode very subtly, really well done, I think, in that first scene. Yeah. With him walking. Walking him to the gym. Walking.

[00:10:44] A great walking scene. Very brief walk and talk where one of the guards says to him something about his enhanced vision and how much of a freak he was. Kind of, again, connecting him to even like. And I think they dropped the cadmium. Yeah. Yeah. So so not only was not only was bullseye reinforced with a spine, but he was also in his and his he was also reinforced with his. Yeah.

[00:11:14] The cadmium spine as well as supervision. And then they. Well, that was implied, I guess, because if you go back and watch that segment, which was the post credit scene, they zoom in on his eye. Yeah. And his eye creates a bullseye. That bullseye. Yeah. Yeah. Which which they at the end of at the end of season three of the Netflix show. Yeah. And I think that you see a couple of things happen in that first scene that.

[00:11:42] If you go back and you watch with that in mind, you can sort of ideally see that what we're seeing is bullseye and how he's looking at the rose, how he's looking at the guy who's tending the rose. And I think the Instagram post that I'll share in our show notes made a nice connection in that, you know, the best villains of or to our heroes are always in a lot of ways the opposite.

[00:12:11] And you have a blind man and Matt Murdoch versus someone with enhanced vision. And it's just it's just I my drive and desire to see bullseye continue in this series as the main villain is enhanced by my own cadmium here.

[00:12:28] Because I just that, you know, I watched a video where the directors were talking about Wilson Bethel specifically and about how surprised they are that he hasn't really caught on outside of the series. He hasn't really done a whole lot since the Netflix series. And he's again, you can see we talk about D'Onofrio and we talk about Charlie Cox and how they wear these characters like like they're them.

[00:12:55] And you have Wilson Bethel doing the very same thing. The joy he had in being this the darker side of Daredevil and then remembering that he actually wore the Daredevil suit in season three of the Netflix series. And and how that closing episode we'll talk about that. You'll talk about that, I think, later today.

[00:13:17] But I just love the fact that we're seeing these parallels and these two men who are, you know, again, opposite each other, maybe more closely than Kingpin and Daredevil. Just beautifully done. And Bethel was so spectacular in how he handled this scene. And depending on which long game you're watching here, how he manipulated Matt, if that's truly what he did to get kind of what he wanted by the end of this this episode.

[00:13:46] So I the writing brilliant. And that's that that that scene, the way it was handled by the actors, brilliant. And as you mentioned, the color, the use of that blue rose, which, you know, they started spinning it. And, you know, you couldn't help but notice that it kind of resembled the bullseye. Yeah. Yeah. I spiral. So I yeah, just just top notch stuff.

[00:14:07] And I love that in addition to the, you know, the symbolism of the genetically altered blue rose and then the spiral again, re reaffirming the bullseye concept, the color blue.

[00:14:24] They just really used it in such a great way that to emphasize that, you know, when bullseye locks in, when he locks in with that vision, when he locks in with being bullseye, the scene goes red. I mean, it goes blue. And with Matt, it's it's when he's locking in his daredevil, it goes red. And with Kingpin, it goes white. And it's great because we've got these colors now that associate. With each character.

[00:14:53] And I just I love that, you know, it's a comic book. Also, comic book, it was the visual medium and color is often used to to do that to to great dramatic effect. And I love maybe the best part of the Netflix series. Right. I mean, the Netflix series did this very well. And I my fear was that this series was going to disengage from that series, which is initially what maybe the problem was.

[00:15:20] But they very much are embracing the Netflix series of the new showrunner, the scar to pain. And these these directors are very much embracing the initial series, which is the right way to go. Well, the initial series used something and they continue to use it here. But they they do a beautiful thing, I think, by switching it a little bit. They when Bullseye starts to get going to Bullseye, you hear this buzzing sound and they did that. That was emphasized. That was.

[00:15:45] Yeah, that was the big tell in the first iteration in the Netflix series. And, you know, obviously it was to emphasize his the fact that he's, you know, he's mentally broken. He's unstable. He starts to get this irritating buzzing and and it kind of drives him. Right. But but hearing is is Matt's thing. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[00:16:08] And so to have a sound associate with the trigger for him, put it in conflict, I think, with with with Matt on just on a on a artistic level. Sure. So by going to color, right. And it much because color is all about vision. It's you're seeing color. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I just I just love that they still have the buzz, if you notice. Yes. They didn't get rid of it.

[00:16:34] They just downplay it a little bit and then emphasize the blue, which I really loved. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I the series can only get better with this character in it. It having we've talked a little bit about Kingpin and, you know, his role in Daredevil over the years in the comics and also the series.

[00:16:57] But to me, Bullseye has always been the more enticing character is a more prototypical villain and in a normal comic sense. But I think and I love that they're giving him some some, you know, some powers, some. Yeah. Some leveling up. You know what I mean? Yes. Which is which is great because he's just a marksman. Right. Got actual. Yeah.

[00:17:21] Which really now in hindsight, going back to that first episode really enhances that first episode when you realize that the bullseye that Daredevil is fighting here is is not the same bullseye that we saw. And I think we knew that going in, but now we have a better sense of, you know, it kind of maybe puts perspective into the fact that is dark. Absolutely. Absolutely. I was. He was just a good shot in the Netflix series. You know what I mean?

[00:17:50] He was just a well-trained FBI agent who was really, really pretty good marksman. And now he's something something other than that. You know, he's he's up. He's above which allows him to get thrown off a roof. Well, that's the that's the cadmium spine, which really should have been at Edmentium. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, but you got to work with what you work with. So I like that there I'm glad that they're not retrofitting that back to Edmentium.

[00:18:19] So, yeah, no, I am, too, because, again, that not knowing cadmium or knowing what you know, the fact that this enhancement causes the cause the eye improvement as well. That wouldn't be consistent with Edmentium. You know, right. It's just it's just metal. So, you know, it kind of actually opened up for them the ability to kind of do whatever they wanted with it. Sure. Sure. Also the also the blue.

[00:18:45] His costume is predominantly black usually, but it also has a lot of blue in it. Sometimes some different artists treated differently. So I think that was another. Another reason for the choice for blue. And I I'm hoping we're going to get more comic accurate suit either by the end or at least next season. I like that it's developing. Right. Like I like that. It's slow. I mean, and I, you know, we're.

[00:19:12] We're getting a character that's that started off without a suit now has one and is slowly evolving into whatever he's ultimately going to become, which I really love. I do want to ask you a question, too, because I love having these little debates. I was in the interaction between the two when Matt was spiraling completely out of control as he was interviewing Bullseye in prison.

[00:19:43] So, you know, we end up, you know, with Bullseye taking a shot at Kingpin. We have a comment made by, you know, Bullseye talking to Matt saying, you know, heroes sometimes have to protect the villains. Who's long game? Another life. He says another life. He would be defending him because that's what good men do. That's what defend their worst enemies. And I will put this scene.

[00:20:12] And this says a lot because I think John Bernthal is a special actor who will win Academy Awards or win awards going down the line. Not that it means anything to John Bernthal. But this this scene to me held the same weight. And sending Murdoch down whatever path he ends up at. I love the scene, but I I I the I love long games. I love when things play out over time that you don't necessarily see. And this certainly was a long game.

[00:20:42] And and and, you know, as you kind of watch this episode play out with. Matt getting shot at the end, whose long game are we in? Are we in Bullseye's long game? I mean, we can we'll get to Fisk in a minute. Are we in Bullseye's long game or is Murdoch ahead of all of us? No, I don't think so. I think I think Matt is at this point in the in the episode and in the series is just spinning out of control.

[00:21:12] That, you know, the devil, the daredevil is starting is taking control of the wheel. And and he's kind of not he's not he's not locked in. I think he's locked in and I'll talk about it at the end. At the end when the screen goes red again after he's just taken the bullet. I'm Charissa and my advice to all entrepreneurs start with Shopify erfolgreich through.

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[00:22:09] The mirroring that we're getting. Yeah. And we come back to that. I think we should stick on bullseye. But yeah, I just. Yeah. So I. Yeah. Go ahead. So. But anyway. So I would say I don't I don't think we're in a long game from bullseye or from Matt. I'm I still think we're. We're in fiscal long game, but Matt is figuring out how to how to counter it. Yeah, I think.

[00:22:39] You know, the thing that I found interesting about that scene, the thing that I loved about that scene was that. He he it basically sets up the finale, the finale and sets up the thing that at the end with Fisk. And. I think also it also becomes the means by which bullseye.

[00:23:06] Escapes now, I don't think he necessarily intended for that. Right. Right. But he didn't you know, he was just shaking in my mind. He was just shaking the. The box to see if he could loosen it up, you know, if he could. I got to do something because I'm going to die if I don't do something. Right. So he gets mad in there. He tries to rile him up. He tries to get something to happen. And he does. I don't think it was a long game.

[00:23:33] I think it was just, you know, he he needed to press some buttons in order to try and hopefully create something that might he could then take advantage of. The the thank you to Matt. And I don't know about you, but the minute he slammed his head on the table, which, by the way, was brutal. Him looking up with that look and that stare with the thank you. And immediately I knew, oh, gosh, he's got his tooth now, doesn't he? And you just fucked up, Matt.

[00:23:58] So I and I guess kind of connected to this. Why choose Kingpin to shoot when in reality? The big kind of give the the big discovery is that Bullseye wasn't hired by Kingpin. So why is he shooting Kingpin? That's seen.

[00:24:21] This is why I kind of think we're in a long game here, because I think there's a reason for this, that Bullseye is trying to set something in the motion. And I can't imagine Bullseye's going, you know, I really want Daredevil to find his feet here. So it just feels like there's a lot of cards being played here that we haven't we haven't. Maybe we won't get in this final episode on Tuesday night.

[00:24:41] But I just I love I love the feeling of a shuffled deck where we just have no idea where we're going here. Although I will admit I am kind of laughing at there's a whole group of people talking about how Murdoch how Murdoch might die in this episode. I'm like, OK, that better be metaphor, because are you serious? Anyways, anyways, back.

[00:25:09] Maybe that's why maybe that's why the shots from the set for the second season have him in the black suit. Maybe he's dead. Yeah, maybe he's an animated husk or something. I don't know. He's going to be friends with. But let's talk about that. Let's talk about the Bullseye tooth scene. Yeah. First of all, fucking wild. Perfect. Perfectly done. I mean, just many smiles. He's got the tooth. I mean, just wild. Everything goes blue again.

[00:25:36] And second is I wanted to point out that that actually not only it's taken place in the comics, actually multiple times. Yeah. Yeah. His Bullseye's greatest hits series issue five, which was part of a Marvel Knights line published in January of 2005. is where that exact scene that they were kind of recreating was almost verbatim.

[00:26:02] But as a side note, he's used his teeth as weapons in a number of times prior to this issue and as far back as Captain America 372 from May of 1990. So, so, you know, I saw some really great art for all of those just kind of streaming through X and streaming through Blue Sky.

[00:26:26] There's, there's a lot of good art showing up with him using his teeth from the comics, which, which I thought they did a great job paying the homage to that because the, the, that's the photo that had been circulating all week. So I've been doing a little bit of research prior to that, what, trying to figure out what the hell was going on. But I was really appreciative of, of the fact that they are utilizing a skill that a bullseye just being really good at being bullseye.

[00:26:55] Right. Well, it is a great connect. I love the connection to Magneto in a lot of ways. You have to Magneto bullseye because he can use anything. And, and the fact that he had his hands all completely, you know, covered and the fact that they were making sure and that the, the screw up here was, was Murdoch slamming his head on the table, which, you know, is just pure daredevil, pure bullseye.

[00:27:19] Um, and, and, and Bethel's controlled rage really connects to the bullseye character in the comics because that his, his glee at pissing off daredevil throughout his career as bullseye is, has been a joy to read in the comic books. So to see it on, to see it really for the first time, comic book accurate, it was fantastic. All right. I guess that's all I got for bullseye. Yeah.

[00:27:48] That's, I mean, he pops up a little bit in, but yes, that's all I got. Yeah. Yeah. We'll, we'll have to dance or no pun intended. We'll have to dance around him a little bit to bring him back in and in a few points, but yeah. Yeah. All right. Point two. What do you got? What do you got? Point two for me is I'm going to go right to two minor characters that I have been critiquing throughout the series that I actually, for the first time started to feel some weight for.

[00:28:17] And that is BB and Daniel. Yeah. And I, the word long game is going to come up a couple of more times than this, but now we're starting to get a little meat on the bone. Oh no. Because a lot of meat. We see, we see this conversation with BB and Daniel and Daniel sort of acquiescing that he was a dick in the previous episodes. Right.

[00:28:40] And that she walks away and we finally start to see her showcasing. Oh yeah. Okay. She does know about Ben. She does know that Kingpin was probably behind it. And this whole time she's been the one puppeteering Daniel. Right. And now, again, I can't wait to rewatch the series now knowing that because now BB's got some weight.

[00:29:09] Now I'm starting to feel okay. Now going forward, we might have a character that can hold the same place that Ben held. And she, she was beautiful in this episode and the brief time that she was in there, which made me for the first time want to see some more. So where this goes in season two or even in episode nine, I cannot wait to see. This could be bad for her. Maybe, maybe this is, this is a brief happy gym for this.

[00:29:39] Yeah. Right. I mean, I, I think it's important too that, that, that Daniel plays that fine line of being a doofus mastermind and a doofus. And, and he did that in this episode again. Like he's, he doesn't really, he thinks he's on top. And the reality is that BB's been, been kind of manipulating him this entire time, which really puts into perspective every scene that we've seen so far.

[00:30:05] And does, again, going back to what we said prior to our points, it does make me really happy about the people who are running the show right now. Because now looking back, they're placing these, what, what they had, they're placing these scenes really well to get to this point, which, which I really like very much. So I, I certainly not my biggest point today, but the one that we've talked about so much is, is getting to the point of annoyance.

[00:30:31] And I have a news note that kind of go along with this, that actually added even more weight to some of the things that have pissed me off throughout the series. Now, I'm just going to mention it now. There's, um, I think the things that, that, that really started to kind of bother me a little bit were those BB. Yeah. Those. I noticed they've disappeared the last two episodes. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:30:53] Well, and I going back and now reading a news piece where they talk specifically about how they were created has made me feel a little bit different about them because they were created in a really unique way. And, uh, they, they, they are actors, but there was no script. So they were given, they were given kind of a prompt and off they would go. So these are New York actors that they used. And, um, I enjoyed them.

[00:31:20] Um, I watched, I watched a YouTube video of all of them and I enjoyed them that way, which made me think they really should have just done this in one or two episodes. We didn't need it, but I think what they, they had such little to work with. I think with, with BB, I think this was their way of giving her a little substance and then throw, throw, not throwing the scene, putting the scene in episode eight, the way that they did. I think now you can go back and maybe appreciate those a little bit more.

[00:31:47] So I think that we're finally getting these marginalized characters from prior to episode eight. We're finally starting to get depth, but you sent me, you sent me a video of Matt talking to foggy, um, from I think season two, maybe season one. And it really accentuates what you've been saying.

[00:32:12] That scene was magic and you were getting, and foggy explain, explain to the listeners. Well, it was a, it was a, it was a scene where it was a, it was a flashback scene. Right. And what we saw was when I think they graduated or passed the bar and, um, it was that scene where they were, um, joking around in the same way they did in episode one very effectively. But they were, they were talking about, um, Murdoch and Nelson, no Nelson and Murdoch.

[00:32:42] And, and there was, uh, there was such friendly. I don't see, I don't see well, but I hear great. Yeah. I can, you know, I've forgotten exactly how he said it, but. Yeah. But the familiarity the two had for each other and the importance of that scene and how it carried on. And, and even going, it's just, there was weight to it and foggy as a secondary character became a main character in that scene.

[00:33:10] And the Netflix show was brilliant at giving main character status to foggy, to Karen, to, to Fisk, to Bullseye, to Electra, to every character that showed up, including Jessica Jones and including. Yeah. I mean, all the defender characters that would show up throughout, there was a weight to it that we haven't had here.

[00:33:35] The weight was very tied to their relationship with, with Matt because most, you know, two dimensional comic book heroes, you know, they have these, um, you know, these, they have their aunt Mays and they have their. Well, or not, not many. Most of them have some moral code that they follow. You know what I mean? And that becomes their great.

[00:33:59] But the reality is, is that people stray from those so easily and so often, but it's the people in our life that we care about, that we listen to that can help guide us back onto that path. And that's the, that's more real life. Right. And, um, it's so easy to get lost when you're out on your own. And that's what foggy and Karen did for him. So, yeah. So maybe, maybe that's, and I guess maybe at the end of this, maybe that's the point.

[00:34:28] Maybe they didn't want to give us those types of characters this season because we needed to see Daredevil become Daredevil again. Well, we needed to see him trying to do it himself. Right. To maintain his moral compass himself. Right. And he can't. And he can't because he's surrounded by the chaos and, and so much, you know, pain and suffering. Right. And, and he's, and he's not being effective on the legal front.

[00:34:58] As long as he was being effective in the legal front, I think it was working out. But as soon as Fisk came back on the scene and everything starts to spin out of control, then, then the devil starts saying, Hey, you're not cutting it, bro. And that's what I think the conversation with McDuffie was so central and key to this episode. Yeah. That was great. That's on your list to talk about or not, but. Well, I, I guess I, and I'm, I, we can kind of throw it in with the BB character, but.

[00:35:23] Well, we can throw it in now because we, can we, because we kind of brought it up, but essentially she's, he's explaining to her exactly what we're saying. You know, he's saying internally, I'm, I'm a mess because this is not working. What we're doing is not working. You know what I mean? We're, I think he says, um, we're, we're shepherding chaos or something. Yeah. I think that's, that's what he said. Yeah. Something to that effect.

[00:35:48] I don't know if shepherding is the word he used, but, um, and you know, and you can just, again, to, to, to the actor's credit, they just, you know, you, you feel the pain in him. You feel the, the, the anxiety, the, the, the feeling of losing control of, of frustration, you know? And, and I think he communicates that really well to her and she gets it. It's clear. She gets it. She understands, you know what I mean? Yeah. Um, so.

[00:36:15] But she can't, the thing about it too is she can't, she can't understand him the way that Karen did, the way that. Cause she doesn't know what's going on. Yeah. I mean, and she, you know, I, I don't know what the process is in comic book land, where as a character you get, you can start to believe that a blind person can be daredevil.

[00:36:37] But foggy and Karen had years to kind of decipher through that, to make it more realistic so that they can be angry at him and not shocked as they were in the Netflix series.

[00:36:50] And I, I, uh, I do think they could have set these characters up better, but I think probably the original showrunners were so focused on Fisk and Murdoch that they sort of stepped away from building up these other characters. Yeah. Which is silly, especially you keep hearing rumors that this was supposed to be a court, you know, court drama of the week where we're going to get different little court scenes every week.

[00:37:19] And wouldn't you want to build McDuffie up for that? But, uh, anyways, but I, you know, these, these minor characters, you know, you think of some of their lines in this and you mentioned the one by McDuffie.

[00:37:28] Go back to, to BB where she said, you know, um, she said something like my, my uncle used to speak truth to power is I think how she said it, where she was talking about how Ben was trying to hold the power accountable. Right.

[00:37:50] Um, she said, uh, I think she was talking to Daniel and she said like, right when you were becoming the head of the SS, uh, she, she was throwing out like bombs in that, um, conversation to Daniel, um, kind of putting him back on his heels. Uh, but she was asking, you know, did you know that Wilson Fisk was the main suspect in your uncle's murder? And she said, yeah, I did. Why do you think I'm here? Not everything I write is under my name to the police chief. Yes. Not to Daniel.

[00:38:20] Well, yeah, yeah. Yeah. This was, she walked away from Daniel or Daniel walked away to get drinks, I think. And she walked over to the police chief and said, you know, why do you think I'm here? Not everything I write is under my name. Do you know what I mean? And, and I, that again, now, what does that mean? You know, who's she writing under as well? And. Well, I think it, it, I think it, I'm assuming that it's because she wrote the thing that was so positive for Fisk, but she's implying, you know, I did that.

[00:38:49] And she wrote the thing under a different name in order to, or she did on her name and then she writes the damaging stuff under a different name, whatever. But. I'm sure we're going to find that out. I mean, also. And she's also, she's also now a dual character, another dual, dual personality character, which is kind of funny. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because you've got Matt and Daredevil, you got Fisk and Kingpin, and, and now you've got her kind of being a dual personality as well. So, yeah.

[00:39:16] And, and gave a little bit more weight to the police chief as we. Yeah. Yeah. We have an actor there. I think that's been fantastic in character roles over the course of his career. And now we can sort of see perhaps where he's going when you have this anti-vigilante task force that we find out is completely autonomous from him to the point where they don't respect him or say anything to him. Where now we haven't.

[00:39:42] And my hinting suspicion is that we probably won't see his character in season two, but we shall see. I wish they had done this a little bit earlier. Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, and maybe, maybe it happened because, you know, they didn't think this was as an important thing to do in the, in the original series. Maybe. Highlight this or bring this to light. Or maybe it was never even going to be happening. Maybe they never were going to do it.

[00:40:11] And these, and the new guys took over and said, are you kidding me? Ben Yerick's daughter is going to, or her niece is, is going to be a freaking toady for no way. You know what I mean? And so they said, we're going to fix that. You know what I mean? So. I mean. That's what happened. I don't know. They did. Regardless of how it happened. They did. And it made it really good too. I'm going to guess that that's the case. I'm going to guess that, that she was just going to be you, you know, that she was just a character there. To be used for fists.

[00:40:41] And, you know, kind of a throwaway thing. And they were like, no, no, no, no, no. Do you have, do you, are you, do you talk about Heather at all? In any of your points? Because we can talk about her here as well. So I, I just. Well, that's a whole, that's kind of a whole thing for me, but go ahead. Okay. Why don't, why don't. We can move to that. Yeah. Why don't you hit your next point? And. Because I, I love it in this episode. In this episode, we have.

[00:41:08] This wonderful dance between our four main characters that. Yeah. That we. And, and we, we're not even close to them yet, which tells you how good this episode was as far as setting things up. But go ahead. Talk about Heather. Because she plays such a big part. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I agree. I think, I think, I think the women characters in general were handled better by these, this creative team than, than prior. Yeah.

[00:41:38] For sure. You know what I mean? And they, they're, they've got depth, they've got strength, they've got, you know, tension, focus. They are powerful people in this, in this episode, for sure. So when. We still haven't gotten Karen back yet. No, I know. That's. Let's go. Let's go. So I think Heather drawing the equal comparison to Muse and DD, it was pretty, because they wear masks, you know, it was pretty incredible.

[00:42:07] And, and, and, and just, I think blew Matt up, you know, and he, he retorts, you know, but DD saved you, you know, and she says, I saved me. I saved me. Yes. And she did. She did. She did. She did. She fought back. She did try to get the gun. Yeah. She did ultimately shoot Muse. Yeah. But what she's forgetting is that earlier in that fight, he's, Muse is on top of her and he's choking her.

[00:42:34] And she's clearly on the verge of blacking out. Yeah. And killing her. Yeah. And that's when Daredevil smashes through the window. And, and so basically he straight up saved her life, but she's struggling, I think, with her view of vigilantes and doesn't want to admit that there's a difference between, you know, Muse and Daredevil. Cause you know, they, they both probably, you know, scare the fuck out of her. You know what I mean? Well, she said, I saved me.

[00:43:04] And then her, her right after that, she said they were both out for themselves saying exactly what you're saying. She's connecting the two of them together. Right. In a way that only Kingpin could enjoy, which we'll get to, but I, the, the, I can't ever imagine what it must be like to almost be killed by a serial killer that has been the talk of the town. And that's what happened to her. So obviously that's going to mess with your brain.

[00:43:32] And obviously it, you know, if you're, you're, if you're working as a therapist for Kingpin, Wilson Fisk and his wife, Vanessa, you have a connection with them as well, which lends itself to her. Maybe appreciating the anti-vigilante side, especially now. So you can sort of see how that can twist your mind a little bit.

[00:44:01] And in the same way that Matt's mind is twisted right now for a lot of different reasons, his friend was killed. Well, I think when you, when you put on a mask and go out and do, do either crime or vigilante fighting crime, you're, you're taking the law in your own hands. You're, you're, you're leaving behind law and order. Sure. And that's scary. Yeah. And, and, um, you know, kind of like grabbing people off the street and shipping them down to El Salvador. Sure.

[00:44:30] But, um, uh, so I think that the important thing here is that there's a growing chasm between Matt and Heather. And I think because of this situation and I, and I think it marks the ending of their relationship. That's my, my guess. Um, they're at odds, uh, her comparison of him to muse, uh, it really makes it impossible for him to tell her that he's daredevil.

[00:44:58] Uh, and I, I'm going to guess the next episode, we're going to, they're going to break up or they're going to go on a pause or whatever. I suspect that. But, and it, and from a story sense that makes it's beautiful because from a writing sense, because the, the Fisk map parallel and, and mirroring all season has been going on.

[00:45:21] So now we've got, you know, Matt starts out with this great new relationship and, and Fisk and Vanessa are on the rocks and therapy. And now Matt's relationship is crumbling while Fisk and Vanessa, as which I'm sure we'll talk about, are strengthening theirs. Yeah. Yeah. Resolving all their differences. So. Yeah. With the help of Heather, by the way. I. And Adam. Yeah. Well, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[00:45:50] Well, he's kind of the linchpin. Yeah. I, I, although the bullseye maybe reached a little havoc at the end, but we'll come back to that. I, I do have a feeling that if you are someone like Wilson Fisk, um, an autocrat in New York city, which they, New York city has seen numerous autocrats over the years, uh, running their city.

[00:46:17] Perhaps finding a voice for your anti-vigilante task force. And someone who was killed by a serial killer, who you are now calling a vigilante might be an interesting way to go about it. I have this feeling that she might be saying goodbye to Matt and hello to the mayor. I think that we're going to see her continue in a role. That's very much against Burdock and daredevil specifically.

[00:46:46] Plus you have to say goodbye to Heather. I think before you can reintroduce who I'm only going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I think the balance for Matt is, is we had forward and we've got to talk about a couple of scenes regarding that first. And I'm not getting that point yet is, is yeah. I think Heather's Heather's time on the show. Thank goodness is not going to end. I don't think, but I think. No, I just think they're going to, yeah. I just think they're going to, their romantic senses or the romantic relationship is going to end.

[00:47:14] And for daredevil to find balance, he's got to embrace both sides of his character. And I think the best way to do that would be to incorporate some of his old friends, but that's probably for next week. Not this week. But yeah, I, I, Heather, just another character. And the actress again is just capturing a very subtle rage that is not necessarily unfounded.

[00:47:44] Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, it's craziness and, and terrifying. So, so point three. Oh, I'm sorry. Is, do you have more with Heather? No. Well, I don't think so. Let me see. I mean, she'll, she'll, again, I think there's a scene that we're avoiding that she'll, she has a big part in. The ending. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. I do. I do have one other point. Why don't you go with your point three? Unless it's the dance scene, then hold off.

[00:48:15] The scene with Fisk in his office with all the political advisors and everything. I thought that was, was wild. Yes. The way that he's just now clearly comfortable being Kingpin basically as mayor. Yeah. You know, and just driving the conversation and, you know, the felt, I felt for that political advisor. Um, Sheila, I think his name. Um, yeah. Sheila.

[00:48:44] No, I said, I promised I would not forget that. You would know better. Yeah. Sheila. But again, like she, she's clearly being boxed out and it's terrifying. I personally, I hope she quits because before she becomes too much of an obstacle and then has to be taken out. Well, well, I, I feel like we haven't had, we haven't had a, a prototypical Kingpin scene yet.

[00:49:12] I just can't decide who it's going to be. I don't know. That scene with, with Vanessa and Adam was pretty typical. Yeah. Well, typical little Kingpin. Is that what we're going to call Vanessa? Okay. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. Well, speaking of little Kingpin, uh, Daniel in that scene, I think that scene is pivotal. That's the reason I wanted to say it. Cause it, it's kind of like not, it's not, it doesn't seem pivotal, but when he just constantly

[00:49:39] just greases up, it's makes, first of all, it makes me want to puke. But then when he says, um, Mr. Fisk, I'll burn for you. And Fisk is like, I know you would. That stood out to me, man. That's an interesting, it's a very specific kind of interesting, uh, you know, thing to say.

[00:50:05] Uh, so I'm wondering if we're not seeing some foreshadowing there of how Daniel's going to end up, uh, dying by fire. Maybe. Maybe next season. I don't know. Yeah. Maybe not next season. Yeah. Maybe not. Maybe we still got another episode. I, yeah, I, um, I, my, my third is connects well with my third point.

[00:50:27] So I, I, I just have written down bad guy and bad person general that, well, I, this, as we see Fisk start to, I want to say unravel because we see him in this episode, not only

[00:50:52] being start of re and enveloping into Kingpin again, that we see that wonderful kind of he reverts into this boy at times that, you know, we, we got to see a lot of flashbacks in the Netflix series where this one, they're a lot more subtle with it. You're talking about Fisk, right? Fisk. Yeah. Yeah. So the scene with Vanessa, are you going to speak specifically to that one? Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

[00:51:20] Where he, where Adam's like Adam's in the cage and they're Vanessa and Fisk are having a conversation. He's like screaming, let me out. No, but I mean, when, when Fisk says to her, Oh, cause to your, Oh yeah. Right before the point I was about to bring. Yeah. Go ahead. No, no, go ahead. Say that part. And then I'll get to my point. But I says to her in this really like almost childlike way, like it gets all kind of, I

[00:51:49] mean, some great acting. I mean, you feel like you see him go back to being 12, you know? And it's like, I really have changed in a lot of ways, you know, I'm really better in a lot of ways, you know? And it's, and it's like, Oh my God. Fuck. And when he screams at it, and I was like, Oh, okay. He's five. He is five years old. Exactly. And just right after, right after he just said that. I really, or was it right before?

[00:52:18] It was one of the two. Yeah. It was all enveloped in that beautiful. It's like, I really, I really have gotten better on so many things. Shut up. I, and in this realization that he's, he's the villain. Oh yeah. And not playing around, you know, Muse. He's a sick fuck. Like these showrunners have created, they just sort of dished away with Muse. Muse was a two episode arc.

[00:52:48] And yeah, I think Muse is going to come back, but that's just my theory. Well, that's for another day, but I, they're really, what was pissing me off about Fisk and Kingpin in previous episodes about, he just, he's the bad guy. And you know, we can talk about Daniel. We can talk about Muse. We can talk about the anti-vigilantes. We can talk about, and we still don't know who killed White Tiger. And I'm sure that will, maybe it doesn't matter, but I have a feeling we'll figure out which,

[00:53:16] which anti-vigilante we will, did it. But I, I feel like now we have direction. Now we have point A, point B, and I like it. Although, the little Kingpin phrase does fit multiple people. So we'll, we'll talk, I know getting to this point with this, this dance scene and this, this ball at the end

[00:53:45] that I thought was really done. But yeah, I, I, I love it. Also with that scene, since we're talking about it with the Adam. Yeah. Well, yeah. That was some fucking twisted shit. The poor guy is sitting there begging and pleading for his life. Why the two of them are just like ignoring him. Yeah. Talking about, you know, their reconciliation and how they're going to, you know, get past this, this situation. You know what I mean?

[00:54:14] And he's just like, hello. I, you're watching it knowing how it's going to end. Right. I mean, you may not know how, I mean, I don't know that I would have predicated it. Although I was wondering like, who's it going to be? But I, I sort of thought it was going to be someone's, I thought Kingpin would maybe perhaps mash his head up against the wall. But yeah, I even thought maybe she was just going to be like, okay, you can get rid of him. You know what I mean? And that that would be the end of the scene. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[00:54:42] But no, but no, he has a gun sitting there. Right. Well, he gives her a choice. Yeah. He puts the gun and the key down and basically says you decide, you know what I mean? Now, my question, my question is what happened if she took the key? Well, they both die. We'd have two less characters to worry. Yeah. Or would they be getting divorced? I don't think he would kill her.

[00:55:12] Does it, does it, does it lend to the question? Like, why didn't they have her in the role initially? Because it does make me wonder what direction they were going to go with Vanessa if this character, if this actress wasn't playing the role. Because maybe Vanessa wasn't long for the show.

[00:55:33] I think if we hadn't done this, if they hadn't done it this way, you'd always question her, you know, loyalty and devotion. For sure. And I think that this set up, and that's also, you know, the character feels that way. He wants a blood oath. And that's what she gives him. Yeah. By killing Adam, it's a blood oath. You and I are together. We're on the same page.

[00:56:00] And I'm with you 100%. But thankfully, Kirk, there's some loose ends. Oops. Thankfully, there's some loose ends. I love that. Oops. I think I forgot to tell you something. Might have been a little important. But I love that we vetted out, because we talked about this last week, specifically.

[00:56:26] We said, you know, just because they're aligning doesn't mean there aren't these loose ends that might come back to bite her in the ass, which kind of bit Matt in the shoulder or the heart or the lung. I think the shoulder. Let's say the shoulder. Really quickly, I want to talk about the character who played Adam really quick. And this probably could have been a note, but it's just kind of a fun little twist.

[00:56:48] He was in a movie called Thumbsucker in 2005, and he played the son of Vincent D'Onofrio, which I don't know how they cast him. And I hope D'Onofrio talks about it in an interview. But I would love it if he threw work to this kid who was the star of that movie.

[00:57:07] And because the twisted relationship that they have in this, this is his wife's lover who just got caged up and ends up being killed in a cage while they're having a conversation about how their relationship is getting stronger. I thought it was fantastic. Thumbsucker is a great movie, by the way. And then they walk past the rabbit in the snow painting with the blood splatter on it. Yes. Which we'll probably come back to when we talk about the suit that he finally puts on.

[00:57:38] All right. I'm going to guess this is both of our final points, but we might as well talk about that last scene, which is my current favorite scene in the series so far. And that is the ball, the ballroom dancing. And they're fine dancers, by the way. Part of my notes. There was one where when Fisk is with Heather and there's that shot up from Bullseye's point of view. Yeah.

[00:58:08] And he's like holding her on his side and they're like swaying. I was like, that's the fucking lamest dancing I've ever seen in my life. They're not dancing. I, well, I have to imagine there's some outtakes here because we get the D'Onofrio holding up the guns and blowing the smoke off the guns in the dance.

[00:58:33] And I just have to imagine there's got to be a ton of outtakes of Vincent D'Onofrio just having a blast. Kind of, again, re-enveloping this character of Kingpin who's this man child. And, again, he showcases it here.

[00:58:52] I guess I'll just, before we get to the actual end of the scene, I do want to talk about Matt Murdock's role in this because we've talked about how Charlie Cox has really characterized the comic version of this superhero. And we see it in just the, when he's dancing with Heather, and just to kind of preface what we're talking about, he's dancing.

[00:59:19] First we have, you know, D'Onofrio, Fisk, and Vanessa dancing at this ball, showing off that they're together. And you can see the rage just welling up inside of Matt. And he pulls Heather out onto the dance floor as he's slowly starting to figure out kind of what's happening. And they're both on the dance floor dancing, and as he's thinking about this conversation he had with Bullseye,

[00:59:46] he's starting to realize it's not Fisk. It's Vanessa. Right. And I'm not even, I'm going to let you lead into that. Well, remember that, I think you've got to back up a little bit more. You've got to go back to it. Well, I'm not there. I'm not there. I'm talking about just one brief moment of this dance that's not even connected to any of it. I just wanted to preface where we're at. When he realizes what's going on, there's this subtle, he, he, he, watch the scene where he leaves Heather and slides right into Vanessa.

[01:00:17] It is fucking awesome. It is so simple and easy and so sums up how smooth Matt Burdock is. My, my note, my note on that is James Bond. Yes. And, and that is who Matt is. Also though, connected to all of this is the fact, as you've mentioned, that he's unraveling. He could give two flying fucks about who can see what he can see and what he can't.

[01:00:46] Because he walks out without using his, his, his, his, his walker in this. Well, that's there. The daredevil is coming in to, you know, he's driving. He's driving. He's got the hands on the wheel now. So I just, I wanted to bring that up because it's such a silly little thing, but it also just shows. Well, it, it actually is, is that isn't the first time we see that in the episode. When he goes to Josie's. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I don't know if that was on your, your. No, this was one of my notes. The Josie, the going back to Josie's. The reconnection.

[01:01:16] The Josie's, which I think is a great piece of writing. Brings us back to the scene of the crime. Brings us back to Foggy. Um, and then, you know, that's where he puts it all together. Yeah. Uh, Vanessa and hired bullseye to kill Foggy because of the case he was on because of whatever he was about to, to win in court. Um, that, again, a beautiful, subtle piece about, uh, again, going to the bourbon that we were talking, we talked about, and I think episode three, um, that they, they, they drink.

[01:01:46] Right. They drink the same. Right. The, the only, the, the beer, the beer, the bourbon that, that are whiskey, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. That he only drinks when he wins his cases. Yes. But then he gets up and walks out and Josie's having a, pouring another drink for cherry. And she's like, dude, didn't even use his cane. And of course, cherry knows. Right. Of course. So, you know, it started there.

[01:02:13] I mean, it started earlier, I think with McDuffie's conversation with McDuffie and the fact that he then tells that guy to go fuck himself that wants to hire them to scam teachers. Right. Um, you know that, but, but it's also then gets more. Confirmed there. And then, then back to the dance. Go ahead. Sorry. Yeah. Well, I, I, I just think it's a, it's a fabulous scene where Matt is continuously trying to engage with Kingpin and can't.

[01:02:38] And, uh, we get this, this dance where Kingpin's kind of flaunting, you know, I'm back. Right. I'm a mayor. I'm the fucking mob guy. I don't care. I'm in white and I'm fat. And all the shot. If you did all the camera angle stuff, when he's talking to people, they're, they're shooting up. They clearly patted him some, you know, he's definitely back. Yeah. And, and the joy that he has in this character.

[01:03:07] And you can see like, he's just letting loose on the floor and Matt pulls Heather out onto the dance floor and they swap, they swap places. And as you're watching this scene, trying to figure out the mentality of all four of them, you know, we get these characters together for the first time since the Netflix series,

[01:03:31] the three of them, Vanessa Kingpin, uh, Matt and watching him with familiarity, talking to Vanessa. I know, you know, he's, he's, I know. And the look on her face, well, she's dancing with him Kingpin first. And she says to him, there's something I got to tell you. Yeah. I might've missed this one. And before she can tell him, Matt steps right in. Yeah.

[01:04:00] I just, and you can watch Heather and Kingpin and Fisk trying to figure out what's happening over there. Right. And I just, and then we know of course that bullseyes entered the building and bullseyes going up to the top. Right. So you have this, so many things happening in the two or three minutes. And also, I think also that, you know, he's talking with Vanessa before, before he does that. I mean, he's talking to Heather. Yes. Or she, Heather's talking to him. Yeah.

[01:04:29] But he's not listening to her. Not at all. No, no. And that was, that was cool. You don't, you don't see stuff like, you know, that, and you can kind of sympathize, like if you had the power to be able to listen into things like that, it would be hard to make, you know, especially in that kind of a situation where you're trying to hear, you know, hear something that's super, super important. Sure. And then, then when he switches, cuts in and gets Vanessa, he's talking to Vanessa, but

[01:04:59] Fisk is talking to him. That was wild. Yeah. Like Fisk is like, Heather and he's go ahead. No. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like Fisk is like, I know you can hear me. You know what I mean? It's essentially he's saying, so I'm going to talk to you. And the look on his face, the glee, the glee of him. It was just this beautiful dance that was, that was taking place in physical dance and

[01:05:29] a character dance all at the same time with the four of them. And that, that was just so well done. Kingpin in his white for the first time. Yeah. Suiting up Vanessa in a very interesting red dress. Well, yeah, I got a lot to say about that. Yeah. So I, I'm just going to surface paint. Very interesting. You can go in a lot of directions with that red dress. I'll let you, I don't have it as a main point for me. I'll let you.

[01:05:55] Well, to me, it was the, the, when she walked out in that dress, I even, I turned to my wife. I was like, what the fuck is she wearing red for? It's a black and white event. She should be in black. And, uh, but then it makes sense because it symbolizes the blood oath that they just took for killing Adam. Um, it makes it look, makes them look like the painting. Sure. Rabbit in a snowstorm with the blood spattered on it.

[01:06:23] Um, and he's the white canvas and she's the emotional sprayed blood. You know what I mean? She's the heart of it, I guess. So, um. Don't, don't you think a little of it too is there's a bit of mocking going on there as well? Mocking. Oh, because I've read the dead apple? Oh yeah. Well, listen, let's, let's, we gotta, we gotta, well, hold on. We gotta back up here because I think I can make you see it. Okay. When Heather and Matt are having a conversation.

[01:06:52] Can we beep, when we back up, beep, beep, beep? No, sorry. Okay, here we go. We're back in Heather's apartment talking to Matt and who interrupted that conversation? Buck. And what was Buck doing? Checking in on her. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So they knew that Heather was going to bring Matt. Right. Vanessa and Kingpin both know who Matt really is. Oh, I think they absolutely were mocking him.

[01:07:19] They're enjoying just rubbing up against him in every kind of way possible, except for the fact that they don't know Matt's figured everything out. Right. Well, well, Kingpin doesn't know yet, but Vanessa doesn't know Matt's figured everything out. So she may be. She does start to shit her pants when he's telling her. There's no doubt about it. She's in shock and quickly starts to threaten him. Yeah. Which is typical. Yeah.

[01:07:46] So anyways, I just wanted to leave with that because again, I'm loving this Buck character. Yeah. He's good. He's good. He's free. He's fancy free and he's just getting to be who he really is. And I think there's potential for him to be better than Wesley, which is saying a lot because I loved that character. Wesley was great. But this, this, this, um, there's a little John Hamm quality to this guy that I love. Yeah, there is. There is. Uh, I just, there, I want him to be more.

[01:08:14] And I, I have a suspicion that maybe by the end of episode nine, he might be the only one left as far as the extras go for Kingpin and the mayoral job. I think Sheila may be gone. However, however she ends up leaving. Hopefully she just leaves. I just have a feeling that Daniel really shouldn't have mentioned burning. Anyways, back to the dance.

[01:08:39] Sorry, I just had so much fun with this last episode and everything is, is, is puzzle piece together in such a great way that leads to this end scene where we have the dance, both the actual dance and this, uh, metaphorical dance of all of these characters, including bullseye leading us to this point of who's he going to shoot. He's got all these options. Is he going to shoot Matt? Is he going to shoot Vanessa? Is he going to shoot Kingpin? Or is he just going to shoot Heather, which I thought for a second, just to send everybody

[01:09:09] into oblivion and specifically Matt Murdock. Cause that would be a bullseye move. Remember I'm in the comic book, spoiler alert, like he kills Electra. And I thought this could be like a mimicking of that. And so, so they, they lead up to this tension filled dance where they're sending us along and they keep showing us bullseye. And then we get to that point and, uh, I have this in news too, but you sent me another, you were sending me some bombs this week.

[01:09:35] Uh, the, the correlation between the foggy scene and this scene, uh, and, and maybe I'm jumping a little bit ahead of you. So I'm going to back off on that for a second and, and re-deliver it to you. I'm going to allow you to take the lead. Uh-oh. Uh, did I miss anything with the dance or, or have you not said anything yet? Um, aside from the actual shooting?

[01:10:01] Well, obviously it's clear and totally established by that, by the dance that Vanessa hired bullseye and hasn't told Fisk and that Matt knows. Um, I guessing that that's not going to be such a dividing issue between Vanessa and Fisk. Agreed. I think especially now. I think especially after, if he had, if that had happened prior to the blood oath of killing of Adam, perhaps, but now he knows she's on board with him.

[01:10:31] So, you know, whatever mistakes were made that, that, that doesn't matter. Um, but more importantly, he'll see it, I think as an opportunity, um, to, you know, because or a win, because for instance, by doing that, it took Matt off the table. It took Daredevil off the table for how many of her a year, a year, whatever, whatever it's been a couple of years. Um, and it's also helping to create, you know, the anti-vigilante framework for his term

[01:11:01] as mayor. Um, so, uh, and I don't, I don't think he wholly hates the idea of Vanessa taking over for, I think there's a, there's a, you know, again, if we're continuing this day. Well, I think we, I think the theory you and I knew it was your theory and it was a beautiful one. Yeah, go for it though. But I think the, the, the theory that you had that she was actually trying to bring bullseye

[01:11:29] to bear, um, on Daredevil through killing Foggy or Karen, obviously Foggy was to bring, to, to bring Daredevil out, to come after Fisk, to help her deal with Fisk. Yes. And either to take him out of the picture or to help bring him back to Kingpin status, um, and, and get his mind right. And I don't think that, I don't think that's what it's going to be.

[01:11:54] I think she did do it, but I don't think it was to, to, to get or derail Kingpin. I think it was to derail whatever it was. Maggie, Maggie, who the heck is Maggie Foggy? I'm leaving that in. Oh. Senior moment, um, to, to, to, um, to, to deal with whatever it was Foggy was about to bring down on him from a law point of view. Yeah. So, well, and who knows?

[01:12:25] And that's why I think, that's why I think, uh, Bullseye went along with it because it, it, it was just a hired job. You know what I mean? Right. So, so we don't know. We know that episode one wasn't a thing with the old regime. And again, I'm sure at some point we're going to find out the retrofit. It's possible. He probably didn't even know Bullseye that it was Vanessa that, that was orchestrating that this hit.

[01:12:54] Sure. It may have been Luca or one of the other bosses. Or even Buck. And he went to him and hired him to do that. Yeah. Um, so, you know, I don't think that, I think that that's, that to me doesn't interrupt the reason I think he's going after Bullseye is going after Fisk. He's always, I don't think he knew Fisk was even involved or Vanessa or any of that. You know what I mean? That's my guess.

[01:13:21] Well, and, and, and, and he's going after Fisk because he blames Fisk for, for, for everything that's happened. He killed, he killed his, his one person in his life that meant anything to him. Um, he broke his back. He's, you know, he's just, he's just terrorized him. Sure. Sure. I, I'm sure that this will play out at some point. I'm my, my hope is that Bullseye disappears for a while and becomes the focal point of,

[01:13:49] I don't know, season three, maybe. So we shall see. I, I just, I, I think that he's served his purpose in here and what I don't want to happen is I don't want this to be the end of Bullseye. So whatever, whatever happens in episode nine, well, I guess when you hear our, our, our, our podcast for episode nine, you'll know how I feel about it. So we'll, we'll, we'll save that for then.

[01:14:15] But I think I love what I've loved about having two showrunners is you can sort of see a framework where perhaps there was a different story being told here, where it was Vanessa. who was egging on Kingpin and ends up dying at the end of this season per se, or this mid, mid season break or whatever it was going to be initially.

[01:14:41] And, and if, if we find out that Scarta Payne took this and framed it differently and turned it into this other whole thing that takes us right into season two, I mean, the brilliance of it is, is, is amazing. I can't wait. And then on top of all this, we have the promise that Kingpin made, uh, not to give out, you know, not to go after foggy, not to go after Karen.

[01:15:11] Uh, and then kind of holding onto the fact that he knows that Matt is daredevil. And I, I can't imagine that's not going to come to bear at some point, uh, in this first two seasons. I, I have to imagine that's going to come out and play a little bit because that was a part of this original mayoral storyline. And it seems like we're not going to get full on, um, anti-vigilation, anti-vigilante task force until season two. Although, although we do see, obviously we, we have an old friend coming back.

[01:15:41] I think they're going to gear that up. I don't know how they're going to, I don't know what they're going to do, but you're going to have to steroid that up a bit. Yeah. Well, I, because I think there's some characters that are going to be introduced in season two that are, you know, almost beyond level power level of dealing with just cops, street cops. You know what I mean? Yep. So, well, we'll see.

[01:16:02] I, I, yeah, I, you know, and, and potential to have the street level, the street level team up come back into season two. Yeah. Is, is, is I think, I think there's a way you ramp it up. And I think let's not beat around the bush. I think one of the ways you can ramp it up in episode nine is to bring in, I don't know, Bernthal back. So spoilers.

[01:16:28] I mean, if you've watched, you know, you know, Punisher's coming back in some way and I, you don't bring Punisher back unless you're not tackling this anti vigilante, vigilante task force in its current iteration. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so yeah, I, I, the setup for the next, the next episode is brilliant. And I think they have a way to get there for season two, but I, I, it's intriguing. Like I'm intrigued.

[01:16:56] I, I had bad guy initially written down because, you know, when you off white tiger in episode three and you do it as a measure of perhaps the anti vigilante task force before actually was a function. It makes you think that the bad guy of this season might be the anti vigilante task force, but it's clearly not. So there's, they're, they're starting to really focus on Kingpin.

[01:17:23] And I think heading into next season, we're going to get maybe a full fledged telling of that story that they weren't able to do because of what was filmed and what they turned into season one. So I don't really have any more points here, Kirk. I, the floor is yours for, for notes or points that maybe I can add to go for it. One, one is, um, so I'll, I'll go to this one next because it's, um, ties to the ending. I loved the music that was playing at the party as the, as the party becomes unhinged. Yes.

[01:17:53] And it kind of goes to slow motion and you've got this like, um, you know, he's Matt's on the floor. He's in the kind of bullet through him. He's blood bleeding out. There's red taking over the scene. The music is haunting, very religious and style. Um, the song is called redemption. Uh, it's by the British rapper and musician Jim Javone. Uh, it's now on my Spotify like songs list, by the way. Uh, I think this song is, I thought, I think it was an important choice.

[01:18:22] Um, you know, essentially Matt has been like seeking redemption all season for not being able to prevent foggy's death. And I think it's why he gave up being daredevil, but that didn't give him any peace either. Um, and in fact, it became clear that through the whole season that, you know, he needed to continue to be DD to have any hope of redemption. Sure. Um, and it took bullseye telling him that good man protects even his worst enemy for him to realize in that split second, as bullseye is ready to shoot fist that he had to save him.

[01:18:51] He had to do the right thing. Um, and because he did, um, I think foggy, you know, he thinks foggy, that's what foggy would want him to do. Sure. And, and, and, you know, while he's sitting there bleeding out, daredevil has attained redemption in Matt's religious worldview, because he's very religious. Um, and I think they've done a good job of, of continuing to emphasize that.

[01:19:17] Um, you know, I just think that, uh, the music choice was, was beautiful for that. Yeah. And, uh, and really nailed that, that home, you know, and the fact that the song's called redemption, I think is not, um, without reason. Sure. Sure. And the, and now, and of course the whole thing going to red, the devil is set free. You know what I mean? And remember, and remember the devil is in fact a fallen angel.

[01:19:47] Don't forget that. So no, the, I, the, the, my next point was just, I wanted to just talk about camera angles. We touched on it briefly. Oh yeah. Yeah. Go for it. But, um, you know, I, I loved how it was very comic book panel. Like, um, you know, Matt lying in the blood bathed in red and then, which is very comic book like then it flips the image upside down. Yeah.

[01:20:14] Which is echoing, you know, the opening with the blue rose, which then spins out kind of twisting around, but also in more importantly, I think, uh, echoes the opening episodes upside down shot of Kingpin. Yep. Um, which we've talked to talked about before. Um, you know, in that shot, his world is upside down. Now Matt's is upside down.

[01:20:36] Um, the zoom out for Matt, listening to bullseye's gun, you know, cock and then zoom into aiming was, was, you know, how the camera like was zoomed in on Matt's hearing and everybody else kind of, I forgot what that's called, but then the side goes blur. And then they zoom in to, to bullseye at the top. Again, very comic book, like, um, close up of the year, then right to the, to the shooter.

[01:21:05] And then bullseye's eye in the gun site. That's been done so many times in comics and very ever rarely done. Um, in shows cause it, it doesn't really look like that. Yeah. Yeah. But, um, I just love that.

[01:21:21] Um, also the, the party one shot, they take you through that party in a one shot and you, and you touch on all the key kind of characters for this sequence, you know, BB and Daniel, um, the swordsman. And, uh, you know, just Fisk and, and I just, I just loved that. So we get all the main players. Good job.

[01:21:45] And all the angles we talked about shooting up for Fisk to make him look so large and in charge. Sorry. Go ahead. No, no, no, no. I, the, the way that they, they zoomed through and we got, uh, really all the players from the past few episodes, including some of the billionaires who weren't going to fund him.

[01:22:08] We get, you know, the kiss, the kiss, the ring moments with all of them, including with, um, the swordsman with, uh, the Tony Dalton character sort of kissing the ring as well, because I mean, listen, I'm not super crazy about the way they're handling the swordsman right now. You know, you can, you talked about that idiotic scene from four or five episodes ago and Dalton is such a great actor and hopefully we get, he's going to, he's going to help Matt.

[01:22:38] He's going to help. Well, defenders, right. You know, so, yeah. So I think that there's, there's potential to, please don't waste this actor. Please don't wait. He's just such a great actor who is such, um, there's such a, you know, again, I, when he was playing Lalo Salamanca and better call Saul, he was just unraveled like brilliance. And that's what I want to see. And that's in Hawkeye, he was exactly that.

[01:23:05] And, you know, now, you know, we've got the LARPer, you know, who's kissing the ring of Kingpin. So we have a reason for him to, to be part of the defenders, which is, is, is what I'm hoping to see. And then I hope that's a character we get to see kind of bounce around a little bit because. Well, I think it was, I think they did it that way. Yeah, I agree. I definitely hope he comes back and I hope he wears more than just a hoodie. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they did it. They did it that obviously they're, they're, they're, they're leaning in on, on Kingpin becoming Kingpin.

[01:23:35] And, and to do that, this is a, when you haven't had a chance to create the whole show yourself, this is a great way to, to have a, a pretty important moment. And you get to see all of these people who were telling Kingpin to stick it last episode. Right. That's, that's, I think that's what was important. Yeah. You're, you're getting a chance to see, and not only him taking joy in it, but a lot of, all of his little underlings taking some joy in it. Right.

[01:24:08] And, and, and, and the police chief kind of takes shape. We get to see Daniel still a bumbling dumbass who's probably going to get burned up in episode nine. I can't get that out of my head. Thanks. We get to see BB kind of take shape as, as a powerful person. and we get to see Matt really re-embracing the Daredevil character and finally perhaps finding balance, or according to half the internet, dying.

[01:24:38] We have, well, and metaphorically that's true. I think you're having the death of this sort of struggle that he's had and hopefully this reinvigorated Daredevil character in the last episode and then ending into season two. They did a lot in a 10-minute scene. They did a lot. And man, I cannot imagine the mayhem that we're going to be seeing in a few days.

[01:25:08] We're going to take a break. There's more to come. So please stay with us past this, please. Please. All right. Welcome back to Hell's Kitchen Confidential. We got some Daredevil news. There's not a whole lot of news floating around other than to say

[01:25:35] a lot of people are forgetting that we're less than a month away from the Thunderbolts, which comes out the first week of May, back in like an original kickoff the summer. And the buzz for this movie is... I am so fired up for this movie, man. Gosh, the actors that are in this. I mean, can you catch the fire of the Avengers in the Thunderbolts? Because a lot of these actors are going to be in the Avengers movie. I think so. I think so, yeah. But the buzz...

[01:26:03] Every screening that this has gotten has gotten a ton of good buzz. To me, it's the way they're marketing it. Every time I see the new marketing campaign, it makes me love it even better. I mean, the whole like 824 that they were relating to or trying to say they're like. I mean, just brilliant. And they just totally like bear hugged the fact that it's this ragtag group,

[01:26:32] that it's darker, that it's street level almost more, that this is not your dad's Avengers. Yeah. Well, and all of these characters have a comedic side to them, and they're showcasing that a lot in the trailers. Well, and they're all anti-heroes. Yeah. It's fantastic. So I've loved this group in the comics, and it looks like they've got a really great cast. I mean, it's Marvel's version of Suicide Squad. Yeah.

[01:27:02] But they're not just trying to recreate Suicide Squad. No. You know what I mean? Like, it's not going to just be, you know, a bunch of cool characters with funny lines and swearing and cool music. I mean, have you seen the most recent clip that shows her on the roof? Yeah. And the way she's talking and she's like, she's like, something's not right. It's just something's off. I'm just... And then she jumps off the building and she's like, maybe I'm just bored. Yeah.

[01:27:34] I mean, it's just awesome. Plus, I love Florence Pugh. I think she's done a fantastic job of creating a new alternate version of Black Widow for us that is just as cool and interesting and captivating as Black Widow was, but yet different. Very different. But, you know, Scarlett Johansson was great as the original Black Widow

[01:28:00] and how they've dominoed into this fabulous actress playing, another fabulous actress, fabulous actor playing this role in a very different, but similar enough that we're like, ah, okay. But there's a whole, another level that we can achieve with this character as long as they give it room to breathe. And I think this movie's going to give these characters room to breathe. I agree. And I love how, like, the humor is tied to the characters,

[01:28:29] to the personalities of the characters. For instance, the Red Guardian, you know, he freaking idolizes Bucky. Yeah. And there's, if you, did you watch What If? Yeah. Oh my God, the episode with What If? With the two of them, he's running around basically like trying to slick his boots. He loves them so much, you know? And they've got that all in here with this, and it's fantastic. You know what I mean? And he's. There's a scene, you know, connecting to Captain America where we get a brief scene of,

[01:28:59] of Bucky who's running for office. And there's a scene here with him wearing a tux. That's kind of funny in the trailer that again, kind of connects specific to his character. Um, I, and, and listen, I mean, anything with Julia, Julia Louis-Dreyfus in it is something I'm willing to watch. And I think this is finally her chance to. Yeah. It's a great cast. To be her where she's sort of been filling like these post-credit scenes up. Yeah.

[01:29:28] Basically she's been close. I mean, I think in the last, um, Black Panther film, she had a little bit more. She had scenes. Yes. But, um, this, this is really going to be the first one where we're really good to see her. So, so go see it. We, we are gonna, by the way, uh, again, this probably should be at the end, but we're, we're going to cover that. I, we're going to cover, we're going to cover the movies over the summer. We're going to cover, you know, that leading up to it. So, so make sure you tune in to the Marvel TV cast, um, for that as well. Um,

[01:29:58] so the first real bit of news that I want to talk about is an article came out talking about New York city being a major component of this series. And what I, again, loved about this article, uh, the article, uh, was from men's health, uh, odd place to find a daredevil article, but they, they, uh, they, uh, they were, they, uh, this is where they were talking about the BB Urich scene. Uh, and they said, um, as it turns out,

[01:30:28] these BB, um, shots weren't just shot as documentary style interviews, uh, quote, the best way, this is, um, Dario Scardapain speaking. The best way to put it is that they were actors, but there was no script. They were just added certain. They, they were just asked certain questions. And then when, when they would answer, we would have them replace a word or two with daredevil or Fisk. Scardapain says done and greener were smart enough to use the human materials as a presented itself to bump up the authenticity.

[01:30:56] And one scene, an actor accentuates his points on camera with a half eaten bagel. And Scardapain says, um, this was not scripted in any way, shape or form. He was just eating a bagel for lunch when he came to work. So we said, go for it. And I love the way that they put these together. They didn't want to leave it to random New Yorkers who obviously would have no idea what the hell they were talking about with daredevil, but they brought these actors in and treated them like they were regular New Yorkers in, in every sense of the word, which, which is brave.

[01:31:24] But I think it worked out quite well, especially if you go back and watch them like I did. They talked a little bit about Red Hook and I love this because Red Hook has been a point of contention for people who live in New York City. David Dinkins was the first person who wanted to revitalize Red Hook in the early nineties. And that didn't happen. And it was a big deal. And then 2024, uh, there was a big announcement about the revitalizing of the port.

[01:31:53] So Red Hook has always been this kind of mayoral bugaboo. And it's an amazing location to shoot at. You can't stage a car chase in New York faster than 25 miles an hour. But if you're in a controlled area, you can go faster. And it goes on to talk a little bit about LaGuardia's desk, uh, to a shithead to Aaron Boyafis informing him that the base of support comes from Staten Island. These flourishes are not only, um, Robert Caro level nerdy Easter eggs,

[01:32:21] but an attempt to tell a larger story about a fascist villain and his militarized police force operating outside the law about New Yorkers and their frustrations and what their dissatisfaction has resulted in historically. Born Again is about New York City, about all cities, and about all societies. And he just goes on to say they wanted the real New York City to echo in what Wilson Fisk, um, is doing this season.

[01:32:47] And I, I putting it in perspective, I think, uh, they're doing a great job of it. And it's interesting because if you go back through the mayors of New York City, um, a lot of what we're seeing, you know, perhaps today, uh, and again, I don't want to get political. I think, you know, you think it's, it's something new in the history of United States politics, but it's not. Maybe it's not happened at this grand a scale, you know, but it's definitively been happening in New York City time and time again with little, little dictators taking over the city.

[01:33:17] So, um, I, I like that little tie-in. And then from coming from Scardipane, who's from the area, I think, um, it kind of plays true. And then you brought up the LaGuardia's desk thing. We didn't mention that, but in that scene in the office, that was pretty funny when he, when he tells Sheila that like, you know, that Vanessa identified it as LaGuardia's actual and she did it just by sight. Yeah. And, uh, you know, it was just another way of telling her, yeah,

[01:33:46] I don't need you anymore. But he's, and to tie into that too, it's tied into something else. He said, he said it like a five-year-old. It is, it is LaGuardia's desk. That's right. Oh, God. Uh, I just, again, I was hoping that a chorus was going to come in and sing, he built this city, but. Uh, and really that's all we have. Um, I, there is that, uh, shot for shot that you sent me, uh, that I thought was brilliant.

[01:34:15] And, um, I'm going to post that in our show notes. So you can take a look at it. Um, so let's head over to listener feedback. We got some great, great feedback this week from Rinaldi, uh, who again is kind of our, our, our big Marvel guy, uh, on site, but he had a lot to say about this episode. Uh, Kirk, why don't you take that? You got it. So Rinaldi, thanks for writing in again. Uh, best episode of the season for me. He says, loved every bullseye scene.

[01:34:42] I enjoyed his scenes with Matt and it felt like the rivalry between bullseye and Matt that Marvel fans raved about when I was a kid in the late nineties. Never read these, those comics other than the most famous one involving Electra. Yeah. The bullseye, uh, daredevil relationship in the comics in the nineties was, was pretty freaking intense. And I agree. I agree. Rinaldi. I think they're, they're doing a great job of, of bringing that to the, to the TV show. I especially love the blue background and the buzzing noises. Whenever bullseye had a psychotic fixation to attack someone.

[01:35:12] Totally agree. Yeah. I'm curious about the revelations regarding Vanessa. And I wonder where the BB Yurik storyline is going. I do like to call back to her uncle, Ben Yurik and his final conversation with Kingpin, which was my favorite scene in daredevil season one when it was on Netflix. Yeah. I, the, the Yurik character was just, was fantastic. And, uh, I wish they hadn't killed him, but no, I, I, they, they, they, they used it as a pretty good vehicle. Uh, I, so, but I would, yeah,

[01:35:40] being a big Ben Yurik fan in the comics, I was really sad. Plus the actor was fantastic. Yeah. Dr. Glenn is going to end up being a psychological profiler for fist task force. Oh, Oh, Oh, Rinaldi. Yes. Let's go. Yeah. That makes, that makes a lot of sense. He was being very declarative, but knowing Rinaldi and how much he knows about the Marvel cinematic universe. Wow. So far, I can somehow,

[01:36:11] I'm sorry. Let's let no, make it so Rinaldi, make it. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. And plus it's just this huge, it's a great setup for tension between Matt, you know what I mean? Oh, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Fantastic. I love that idea. So far I find her character too cliche, but as a psychology, psychological profiler, she'd be a lot more interesting as a character. Matt, serious injuries will motivate her to work for Fisk in his role to protect Matt from vigilante criminals and heroic vigilantes,

[01:36:40] which will lead to a complicated emotional rollercoaster from Matt. Wow. That's cool. Rinaldi needs to start writing for these people. I tell me about it. My only issue with this episode is that Matt doesn't daredevil in the episode. Very little daredevil in daredevil born again. Maybe this show should be called Matt Murdoch, little guy, lawyer born again. I love that. Yeah. It's, it's my number one complaint. It's really been my,

[01:37:09] my main complaint of the daredevil series from beginning, even during Netflix. Yeah. Um, if I had to watch another season with him wrapped with a scarf around his head, I was going to puke. Um, you know, especially after the second season where he was in costume a lot and they had this great costume. And then they, the third season he's back to being, had to be in a socket. So, yeah. Well, as rumors would circulate right from our very own podcast,

[01:37:38] there seems to be some pictures showcasing. Yeah. Some fun in season two. So yeah, let's, let's hope that it's not only one episode. I don't, I don't really, I don't get it. I guess, but I guess they, I don't know. I don't, I don't really understand it. I mean, I, I don't, I don't, why do they keep creating these storylines where they don't have to have them in costume? Is it a money issue? Is it? It can't, it can't be. I mean, it can't be, I mean,

[01:38:06] they feel they can't develop the characters and have the amount of dialogue and character development, uh, when he's in a suit. You can sell me on. They love Charlie. Think of the sequences. Think of the sequences with, with him and Bernthal on the roof. Yeah. Chained up. That's some of the best, that's some of the best stuff of the entire series. And, and he's in costume. I mean, I just, I don't,

[01:38:33] I don't understand it because you can get plenty of Charlie Cox's Matt Murdoch without, with, with Daredevil in every episode. I mean, it's, it's, it's, are there comics in the Daredevil? It's called fucking Daredevil. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. It's not called Matt, Matt Murdoch. Daredevil. It's well, Daredevil. I don't know what the ratings are for this series, but I could probably take a guess of what they would be if it was. Yeah.

[01:39:03] Matt Murdoch. Little guy lawyer born again. It would be worse. If Rinaldi was writing for it, I would definitely watch it. Yeah. But he wouldn't call it that he put, he would fix it by putting Matt in the costume. Yeah. Right. I mean, come on. Well, and I would rather do that bitching. Like, why is it he Matt Murdoch in this episode? I don't get it. Why is it called Matt Murdoch? All right. All right. All right. Enough already. Well,

[01:39:33] if we have this complaint next week, if we have this complaint next week, then, then maybe this is it. We're not going to cover season two, which our seven, our seven fans went, please, please stop. All right. All right. Okay. I, Hey, we got Rinaldi. That's all that counts. That's all that matters. All right. All right. That's the end of our show. Join us next weekend when we can cover daredevil born again, episode nine.

[01:40:02] And I just want to, I just want to say this. I know we picked right last week. We picked wrong. I thought we picked the helm. I think I picked straight to hell as being this episode. And then aisle of joy being at the end. All right. But next week, episode nine, straight to hell. I'm going to guess next, next week is straight to hell. You watch. You watch. If you'd like to, if you'd like to join the conversation, like, you know, Rinaldi,

[01:40:32] part of the conversation, we'd, we'd like to have more. He's doing, um, like to join the conversation. You can find all of our contact information at podcast.com. Where you'll also find links to our social media pages and to all of our shows. If you'd like to send a message, you can leave a message at the podcast, get a Facebook site or email, or send a voice message to talk at podcast.com. And. And I'm going to just really talk about one show here. And that's, uh, our podcast, a flagship,

[01:41:01] the cast of us, which just today is, this is recording released their season premiere of season two of the last of us. I have not watched it yet. Uh, my family joyfully let me know yesterday that they wanted to watch the whole season one again before watching the season premiere. And I like, I like the sound of that. No, I wouldn't let me tell you. I wanted to do. I couldn't get anybody to join on with me. So we ended up just watching the finale from last season first. Okay. Well,

[01:41:31] I watched last night's episode. It was fantastic. I can't, I so can't wait. And yeah, it's really good. You know, Kirk, I saw your art, uh, your inspired art, which was absolutely fabulous. I, yeah. For the episodes one and two of the season. Yeah. Yeah. I want to do more. I have sketches for all sorts of other concepts for other episodes, but I never, I never got to it. Well, I will tell you that, but you, you included in your, I think for episode one, um,

[01:42:00] you had a snippet of that 1968 scene from. Yeah. The first two I did, because this, the, the cold open on each episode was the 1968. Well, I just, it was so good. So that scene was, so I watched it last night. That scene is just so, so brilliantly done. So please make sure you listen to, uh, Lucy and Jason, uh, covering the last of us, uh, as we go through, uh, what is looking to be another great season. Um, they, they, okay. Um,

[01:42:29] they approved a season three for that, which I think was a no brainer. Uh, if it has enough room to do a season three, so they're doing a season three, which I'm excited about. And then I do want to just, my understanding is that they've taken the second game and cut it into two, which makes sense, which makes sense. And so I suspect people are going to be really upset at the end of the season. Yeah. If you know anything about the game. Yeah.

[01:42:59] Yeah. Well, I, I kind of think I know where the cutoff might be, but we will see. We'll see. Jonathan and James did, uh, they're doing and, or which takes the place of daredevil, uh, on, uh, the, uh, Disney plus, uh, timeline. Uh, once daredevils done this week, next week, and or kicks into gear and they did a, uh, recap of season one. For those of you that are getting ready to gear up for and, or which in my opinion is,

[01:43:28] is top of the line stuff for star Wars. Since, um, the, the really the Disney regime has taken over and, or is absolutely fabulous. Yeah. So if you haven't seen it, make sure you give it a shot. And Jonathan, Jonathan and James are absolutely wonderful. I am trying to convince Jonathan to narrate my life. Um, he, he agreed. Uh, I, the good news for him is he'll probably fall asleep about 13 seconds into it.

[01:43:55] So I don't know what he's going to charge me for 13 seconds, but I'm all in for that. I will take 13 seconds of Jonathan narrating my life. Um, but yeah, so, so check out our podcast. We've got some big ones coming out. And, uh, for those of you that made it this far, all, well now for, uh, please give us some feedback. Yeah. Um, I'm also going to go see, um, sinners on Friday, which is, uh, Ryan Coogler's new film with Michael B. Jordan and also Haley Seinfeld.

[01:44:24] So yeah. Marvel alumni. Yeah. I've heard a lot of good things about it. So I want to go check it out. The, the trailers for that movie are spectacular. Yeah. And it's getting a lot of good reviews. Yeah. I'm anxious to see that. So if you'd like, if you like what we do, uh, give us a five-star rating or review or like and follow and subscribe on Facebook, Instagram, and Patreon. You can find all of that information in our show notes as well as podcast.com. Thanks for listening.

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