73: "Tuklo” (Echo S1E3)

[00:00:00] Hey everybody, welcome to the podcast my name is Alex.

[00:00:29] And I'm Kirk.

[00:00:30] And as you can see or hear, the women have left us Kirk.

[00:00:36] Whatever he's in, story of my life.

[00:00:38] Story of my life too.

[00:00:40] And for those of you that are listening, welcome to Marvel Cast, a podcast dedicated

[00:00:45] to all Marvel shows and movies and whatever.

[00:00:49] Today we're going to be discussing Echo season one episode three.

[00:00:55] If I say it wrong, tell me that.

[00:00:57] It's Tula.

[00:00:58] I don't know if it's Tula or if it's Tucklo or...

[00:01:01] Tucklo, I know.

[00:01:03] Tucklo.

[00:01:04] All those, all that feedback.

[00:01:05] Tula, we'll say Tula.

[00:01:06] Okay, all that feedback that we're going to get from me saying it wrong, I know is going

[00:01:11] to be a lot.

[00:01:12] But...

[00:01:13] That's if our one listener is listening today.

[00:01:15] You know what?

[00:01:16] And I think Penny might be the one listener because it's going to be really good today.

[00:01:23] Why don't you take her a little thing right there?

[00:01:26] Yeah, you got it.

[00:01:27] I have a lot of effort not to spoil any listeners that are also watching the show once a week.

[00:01:32] We have all agreed both of us as an all to only watch the episode we will be covering each

[00:01:38] week.

[00:01:39] Now, I'm going to opt out of this already now where three episodes in, but I've got

[00:01:44] a convention coming up and I need to have a new piece that I'd like to make.

[00:01:49] Echo.

[00:01:50] So I'm going to probably finish the rest of the season tonight or tomorrow and then

[00:01:54] start working on that.

[00:01:55] I promise not to make sure, I will make sure I don't do any spoilers.

[00:02:01] I hope you don't and I know in an effort to keep this as authentic as we can.

[00:02:06] I know you will stick to that very strict way.

[00:02:11] And folks, that also being said, if you are listening to it on Marvel cast, this is episode

[00:02:17] 73 and what we did was Jason decided to combine all the podcasts for Marvel Universe into

[00:02:25] one.

[00:02:26] And that's why it's Marvel TV cast.

[00:02:28] So on your podcast listening device, it might say 73 even though it's episode three, season

[00:02:36] one of echo.

[00:02:38] And if you have any questions about that, I know Jason will be more than happy to answer

[00:02:42] that if you go to talks.

[00:02:44] That's the way I'm going to talk to you is one of my points.

[00:02:48] But just the whole thing, the introduction of inkpaint at the end and the way that we got

[00:03:11] more exposure to this connection between Maya and her ancestors.

[00:03:17] And again, character development on a lot of levels.

[00:03:22] So I know I just thought it was the music.

[00:03:25] It's fantastic.

[00:03:26] Again, the choices they're making on music is wonderful.

[00:03:31] And so no, I really enjoyed it for much self.

[00:03:34] What I love about this show is I didn't know a lot about Echo going into this.

[00:03:39] But as a non echo fan, this is like this show reminds me a lot of that nightrider slash

[00:03:50] Saturday morning type show that you would see.

[00:03:54] And it's like just all action and fun.

[00:03:57] And I just love it.

[00:03:59] I mean, I'm really getting into it.

[00:04:01] And it's just they're bringing the bring in new characters.

[00:04:08] And I just love the relationship between the hearing and the non hearing world.

[00:04:15] And it's just awesome.

[00:04:17] So they continue to really do an excellent job on not only that, but also the Native American

[00:04:25] lore and culture and background.

[00:04:31] It's not like they just spent all the effort on the beginning, you know, just clearly doing

[00:04:36] it episode to episode making sure that it's beautiful.

[00:04:39] And they're really tying in everything.

[00:04:41] I mean, taking Kingpin out of it, if Kingpin was named anything other, it still would have

[00:04:47] been the bad guys.

[00:04:48] And it still would have worked.

[00:04:49] You know what I mean?

[00:04:50] It's better than Kingpin.

[00:04:51] But it's just like, that's what I love about it.

[00:04:55] You know, people may say, oh, it's this or that.

[00:04:59] It doesn't matter.

[00:05:00] We've got awesome characters.

[00:05:02] I love well, we're going to get into the points.

[00:05:04] So why don't you get into your first one?

[00:05:05] I think a lot of, I think, well, before I get into my points, I think a lot of shows

[00:05:10] of this type would have chosen not to make Kingpin the direct bad guy, the main bad guy.

[00:05:19] They would have kind of had another villain from the comics or something that was ultimately

[00:05:28] that we find out working for the Kingpin.

[00:05:31] But I like that they went right, I mean, that is the story, right?

[00:05:36] It is.

[00:05:37] He adopted her basically.

[00:05:38] He raised her basically turned her into an assassin and they have this history and then

[00:05:44] killed her father.

[00:05:45] I mean, it would have been a mistake if they hadn't done that one too.

[00:05:49] I think it's clear, it's becoming clear that Kingpin is going to be the street level

[00:05:56] Thanos of the Marvel universe or the MCU.

[00:06:01] And as such, he's going to be going up against Spider-Man and these kinds of feature film

[00:06:10] characters.

[00:06:11] Did you see that coming?

[00:06:12] Well, I didn't.

[00:06:13] I saw it as possible, but I think it's coming faster than I thought it would and I love

[00:06:19] it.

[00:06:20] And I think that they're just saying we've got these opportunities in this show to really

[00:06:25] build him up and position him for that.

[00:06:28] So let's do it.

[00:06:29] I mean, and I think that was really smart.

[00:06:31] No, I mean, it is moving fast.

[00:06:34] And I really hope that we've got two more episodes.

[00:06:40] Marvel always has a great way of giving us a little stinger at the end.

[00:06:46] Yeah, something that you just want more and I'm hoping because all the episodes are

[00:06:53] out so you would have thought you have heard of it.

[00:06:56] And that's that I'm going to look for stuff because I'm really not.

[00:06:58] I'm just kind of, I'm so busy with life and everything else.

[00:07:02] I'm going to eat your egg, die or anything else.

[00:07:06] You know, it's just really, I hope they can kind of really tie it in and they have some

[00:07:11] really good tie-ins with some other stuff that I want to talk about as well.

[00:07:14] So what's your first point?

[00:07:16] I also want to be against killing me.

[00:07:19] Not that I'm trying to be stubborn if I'm not like I get to my points, but I just want

[00:07:23] to go over the trueless situation again because almost every episode we've talked about

[00:07:29] and it's still not 100% clear.

[00:07:31] I think I'm much, much clearer now on trueless relationship and to everybody in the cast

[00:07:38] and there's in the story.

[00:07:40] But I have one outstanding question maybe you have an answer, I don't know.

[00:07:45] So Maya's mother was trueless daughter and Bonnie's mother was also truelos daughter.

[00:07:58] So, where is that daughter?

[00:08:02] Where is Maya's aunt?

[00:08:04] Have we not heard anything about that yet?

[00:08:06] That's a great question and I don't know.

[00:08:09] Okay.

[00:08:10] So we know Scully's not her grandfather.

[00:08:14] He's kind of a surrogate grandfather.

[00:08:16] He's either an ex-husband or a boyfriend or whatever.

[00:08:22] So then that also begs the question who is Maya's grandfather?

[00:08:27] Instead of who's your daddy?

[00:08:28] Who's your grandfather exactly?

[00:08:30] I mean, like I know.

[00:08:32] But you know what though?

[00:08:34] And I know you've been laboring this point.

[00:08:37] Well again the reason is because I think if she lost both her daughters, that adds a lot

[00:08:46] more to the motivation and background for why she would be treating Maya the way she

[00:08:53] is, why she would lash out so much at Maya's father, why she cut her off.

[00:08:59] The pain and the trauma that she's experienced with losing both her daughters is just terminated

[00:09:10] her.

[00:09:11] No, no.

[00:09:12] And I think there's a lot of...

[00:09:13] But it's not clear that that's what's happened.

[00:09:14] I don't know what happened to the other daughter.

[00:09:16] Honestly, I have no freaking clue and I don't mean that to be funny.

[00:09:20] They haven't said it anywhere, right?

[00:09:22] They haven't said it.

[00:09:23] They've just...

[00:09:24] I mean, I have my own thoughts on her, on grandma.

[00:09:28] Yeah.

[00:09:29] You know, I think that she's a lot more than she says she is.

[00:09:33] Yeah, clearly.

[00:09:34] And that's probably why we haven't heard all the details but...

[00:09:38] But I think she's also holding a lot back.

[00:09:41] But at the same time, you bring this up every week and I say, you're right to bring

[00:09:46] it up every week because I'm just as confused.

[00:09:48] Yeah.

[00:09:49] So we had...

[00:09:50] It took Penny and you like 10 minutes to try to figure out this family.

[00:09:55] Well, I don't want to...

[00:09:56] I don't want to belabor it.

[00:09:57] I just want to point out that it's still...

[00:09:59] No, no way.

[00:10:00] It's important because we don't know.

[00:10:02] Yeah.

[00:10:03] Well, it's interesting.

[00:10:04] The next episode, I believe is Tula.

[00:10:06] I don't know if I'm pronouncing it right.

[00:10:10] But it's her mother's name.

[00:10:13] Right.

[00:10:14] So Tula's daughter's name.

[00:10:16] So that's...

[00:10:17] Tala.

[00:10:18] Tala, Tala.

[00:10:19] Tala, Tala.

[00:10:20] So my guess is we'll get a lot more about that background of that family.

[00:10:27] And next week on Jerry Springer, we're going to find out who the father is.

[00:10:32] The question is, who will be our third co-host?

[00:10:35] Actually, I think I may have somebody in the bullpen.

[00:10:38] Oh, excellent.

[00:10:40] I've...

[00:10:41] Well, hopefully Penny will be back.

[00:10:43] Hopefully Penny will be back.

[00:10:45] I've talked to Renaldi and we had to have somebody that actually has read a comic or two.

[00:10:52] So I figured we'll get in...

[00:10:54] We'll bring in the second best hitter I know that knows Marvel and we're bringing in

[00:11:02] Renaldi.

[00:11:03] He thought it was this week, thankfully it wasn't.

[00:11:05] And he was like, I had him soak if used support guy and I know he's listening and I feel

[00:11:10] bad but I can't believe it.

[00:11:12] Oh, he's our one listener.

[00:11:13] He is our one listener.

[00:11:14] I think he's the one listener besides Sydney and...

[00:11:17] Thanks, Raldi.

[00:11:18] Yeah.

[00:11:19] Sydney, Penny and Renaldi.

[00:11:20] I think we're gonna have to do this.

[00:11:22] There we go.

[00:11:23] But now, finally, 20 minutes into it.

[00:11:27] What is your first point?

[00:11:30] Well, the first thing I want to talk about was the ancestor of powers.

[00:11:36] Who's power and what source are my question?

[00:11:40] Are we seeing multiple ancestors with powers or is this a single source of powers in

[00:11:47] Chaffa, the original birth creation story, Chaktao?

[00:11:54] And then...

[00:11:55] So I'm kind of leaning towards Chaffa as being the primary source of all of these abilities

[00:12:00] and powers.

[00:12:02] But it's still not clear also if these powers are heightening skills of these warriors.

[00:12:11] Or empowering them with actually new special abilities.

[00:12:16] And that also hasn't been...

[00:12:18] I think they haven't been, maybe again, that will be clarified.

[00:12:23] But it's a little vague and how this is all kind of rolling out and where the power's

[00:12:30] coming from, where the power came from, what the powers are.

[00:12:34] They just...

[00:12:35] Is it because Tulu was such a great shot to begin with and then she becomes a super shot

[00:12:42] at anything and everything to do with aiming?

[00:12:46] So that's kind of a big question I still have.

[00:12:51] Also in this episode, we get the whirlpool again from episode one with Chaffa.

[00:12:58] So we see that which has that similar...

[00:13:01] We see it in a black and white intro.

[00:13:04] But we know it's a glowing blue, glowing, very similar to the Tesseract kind of coloration.

[00:13:12] And she drinks that in a liquid form which kind of reminds me a lot of the purple herb

[00:13:19] that the black panthers drink that gives them power and connects them to their ancestors.

[00:13:25] Absolutely.

[00:13:26] So maybe there's some sort of connection to that.

[00:13:29] I thought that was kind of interesting.

[00:13:32] I've watched Screen Crush's review by Ryan Nierian.

[00:13:35] He points out that the actress that plays Bonnie, which we knew also did the voice for

[00:13:40] Cahari and perhaps he speculates that she is going to be the MCU's Cahari but that

[00:13:47] she just...

[00:13:48] You know, because it's a different universe and the Tesseract didn't come here or whatever

[00:13:53] the way that it did in the...

[00:13:54] What if she just didn't get bestowed with those powers?

[00:13:57] But I thought that was kind of an interesting thing.

[00:14:00] But then he of course speculates that perhaps the Tesseract will also turn out to somehow

[00:14:04] play a part in Choff his powers.

[00:14:08] I thought that was kind of an...

[00:14:09] Because I feel like without any explanation, it seems like it should be tied to something.

[00:14:17] I mean there was a definite...

[00:14:19] They clearly are showing us this whirlpool of circular blue, spicy, magic-y looking material

[00:14:28] that she consumes and then that of course allows her to transform things and everything

[00:14:33] else.

[00:14:34] So almost alien-like, yeah?

[00:14:36] Yeah, no, absolutely.

[00:14:38] So that's kind of my...

[00:14:39] That was my first point.

[00:14:40] I just want to...

[00:14:41] You know, these powers still need more clarification for me in terms of where they come from

[00:14:49] and what they do.

[00:14:51] Yeah, I mean...

[00:14:53] I want to dovetail off that because I think the opening has a lot to do with...

[00:14:59] The question is, how is this all passed on?

[00:15:03] And I'm a firm believer and I know I have to always bring effect to Harry Potter.

[00:15:07] But I really...

[00:15:08] Or Star Wars.

[00:15:09] Or Star Wars.

[00:15:12] But I really do believe the power is passed on to those that need it and deserve it.

[00:15:19] Okay.

[00:15:20] Now, how does that all fit in?

[00:15:24] What I found really interesting was that my first point is the cold open and the lack

[00:15:31] of sound.

[00:15:32] They really did that whole, you know, silent movie thing and they talked about the police,

[00:15:43] the light...

[00:15:44] The light bearers, I believe.

[00:15:47] The light horsemen.

[00:15:49] Light horsemen, I'm sorry.

[00:15:51] The light horsemen and how, you know, how they did their business.

[00:15:55] And it's funny because, you know, the light horsemen, one of the biggest groups was

[00:16:05] their actual tribe.

[00:16:07] I mean, there was other tribes that had light horsemen but that was the thing.

[00:16:12] If you notice how, you know, my didn't...

[00:16:19] Her father didn't want her to get involved the same way.

[00:16:22] Yeah.

[00:16:23] Chula.

[00:16:24] Chula.

[00:16:25] Chula is.

[00:16:26] Yeah.

[00:16:27] Yeah.

[00:16:28] And so what does she do?

[00:16:29] You know, she does a little switch of route but makes herself look like a guy, just one

[00:16:35] of the guys and then boom, she starts killing people.

[00:16:39] Now, what I find really interesting is that they do...

[00:16:44] That they do that whole silent movie and her father does kind of accept her.

[00:16:47] Oh, absolutely.

[00:16:48] I mean, it was just amazing how she's like, he's like, yeah, let's get this thing going.

[00:16:53] She knows her deal, the, you know, hands are doing it and whatever.

[00:16:57] Yeah.

[00:16:58] So, I mean, my first point goes into that but then I also want to also talk about Maya when

[00:17:05] she, that first scene when she gets abducted for lack of a better term.

[00:17:10] Yeah.

[00:17:11] You know, what if you look at the video and I looked at it about three times or more,

[00:17:18] when she's walking and she starts hearing stuff, if you look at the water, it looks like

[00:17:25] it's swirling in this purple.

[00:17:29] And then all of a sudden she sees, you know, all the women behind her.

[00:17:34] And I think that that was just such a little subtle thing that, you know, she's got this

[00:17:41] sixth sense or whatever it is.

[00:17:45] And I think when the hands go on, that's when the powers start, you know, I mean...

[00:17:51] Yeah.

[00:17:52] I mean, I just...

[00:17:53] I know I struggled a lot with why now, why all of a sudden is she getting the powers?

[00:17:58] Why wasn't, you know, there was plenty of scenarios back in Daredevil or not Daredevil

[00:18:03] and Hawkeye where, you know, she could have used these powers in a crisis.

[00:18:08] But was it good?

[00:18:11] Exactly.

[00:18:12] It took me a little while but it was, it was, it was a me issue as usually it is.

[00:18:17] No, but it is a good point.

[00:18:19] It is a good point.

[00:18:20] Now that she has left the kingpin, now that she is in a place where she could choose

[00:18:25] a different road.

[00:18:26] Right now she's kind of still choosing a, an evil, vengeful confrontational road.

[00:18:33] But at least it's with a bad guy.

[00:18:35] So she's kind of like Hawkeye right now where she before Hawkeye, when he...

[00:18:43] When he was...

[00:18:46] What was the character in Hawkeye in the show?

[00:18:49] He was with the suit.

[00:18:50] Oh my God, I should know this.

[00:18:52] Ronin, Ronin, when he was Ronin.

[00:18:54] She's kind of Ronin right now.

[00:18:56] Yeah, yeah.

[00:18:57] And but Ronin wasn't a good thing.

[00:18:59] No, no, no, but my point being is...

[00:19:01] She was taken out bad people.

[00:19:03] She was, she went from bad girl to Ronin-ish now she's trying to come full circle with what

[00:19:12] happens with her family in this episode.

[00:19:15] Right.

[00:19:16] Well I think the ancestors are reaching out to her now because she's now open to and

[00:19:21] on the right path and they're going to help get her even more on that path.

[00:19:26] I think it's the right.

[00:19:27] Even though she doesn't want to, even though she's just passing through.

[00:19:31] You know, you can take the culture out of your heart as much as you can but you get whatever

[00:19:39] the term is.

[00:19:40] I tried to say it last time.

[00:19:41] I still didn't get it right.

[00:19:42] But you're on the verge of creating a new one.

[00:19:45] I was waiting for that one here.

[00:19:47] I'm on the verge of creating something.

[00:19:50] No, but I just love that open and I think all the cold opens have really kind of a great

[00:19:55] table setter.

[00:19:56] Not only for the show, but for the whole episode, you know creating these women getting closer

[00:20:03] to present day because you only have five episodes.

[00:20:06] So we're basically at the mid season finale.

[00:20:08] You know, I think that we have a lot more answers and I love the fact that in this episode,

[00:20:15] the tide is turning where everybody's starting to embrace her and she's starting to figure

[00:20:20] I got to embrace the time kind of thing.

[00:20:22] Yep.

[00:20:23] Absolutely.

[00:20:24] And my point was also that silent black and white film opening.

[00:20:27] So I'll pick up on it here.

[00:20:29] I think it was a great choice.

[00:20:30] I agree with you.

[00:20:31] I mean, it was a great choice also because it reflects not only or as a metaphorical,

[00:20:38] almost for Maya's hearing disability but it reflects the time period of Tula's story

[00:20:44] which is the 1800s.

[00:20:46] And I thought that was really cool too.

[00:20:47] You know, it was just creative on the part of the show to choose an artistic style that

[00:20:59] is reminiscent of that period of time and also at the same time speaks to a silent world.

[00:21:11] So I thought that was really cool.

[00:21:15] I liked also how the ancestor's story this time seemed much more related to Maya and

[00:21:22] her skills seemed more valuable in my opinion.

[00:21:26] Unlike Lowak, she actually interacts with Maya too which is something totally different.

[00:21:30] She calls out to her at that scene that you were talking about where she gets kidnapped.

[00:21:36] She's clearly trying to warn her whereas with Lowak and again, this could be because again,

[00:21:42] the ancestors are getting more connected to her.

[00:21:46] She's becoming more open to them so there's more interaction I don't know but if that's

[00:21:52] what they're trying to say, but it seems like it because Lowak simply stares at her at

[00:21:56] one point when she's going through the vision, you know, what to call it, the vision quest

[00:22:03] type of thing and gaining power.

[00:22:05] But here the Tula is actually trying to actually speak to her in Warner which was

[00:22:12] a big step, I thought and I liked that.

[00:22:16] Plus again like I said, the skills she's offering seem much more valuable to me.

[00:22:22] The aim and the fact that we get to see her immediately utilize those skills in the fight

[00:22:28] and the roller rink.

[00:22:30] The Light Horsemen were so bad as I agree.

[00:22:32] I would watch a series based on them in a heartbeat that was such a cool thing.

[00:22:38] I wasn't really even aware of it and I feel horrible about the fact that I wasn't aware

[00:22:43] of that but I'm sure there's so much that most of us in this country are not aware of

[00:22:48] but that was really cool.

[00:22:55] There's also a question for me as to the choice, so they made the choice to show us this

[00:23:01] intro in this black and white old fashioned square format silent film.

[00:23:09] And then you get the credits and then the first sequence, the first opening scene after

[00:23:15] the credits is Tula coming to Scully's pawn shop right and it opens in a square format

[00:23:25] in black and white through the security camera.

[00:23:30] I don't think that was done by accident.

[00:23:33] That was a clear choice to tie a relationship between what we just saw about Tula and Shula

[00:23:43] and I'm not sure if that's just she's connected to all this and you should, we want you

[00:23:50] to feel that to see that, to understand that or whether she's maybe even specifically

[00:23:54] connected to Tula.

[00:23:56] Maybe she was a granddaughter of hers or something like that.

[00:24:01] I think that there's more to her.

[00:24:05] I think she's in bed with Kingpin somehow.

[00:24:10] I know that sounds like a crazy way of saying it but I think she's part of that.

[00:24:17] I don't think so.

[00:24:18] I mean, I think she's aware that Henry's business involves the Kingpin.

[00:24:23] She's aware that, I mean, I think the family business was part of, was always part of

[00:24:29] that criminal stuff but I don't think she is somehow, but who knows?

[00:24:35] I mean, it's possible.

[00:24:36] I mean, who knows?

[00:24:37] I just love the banter between those two.

[00:24:40] We just, and also one of the flashes that she gets, Maya gets at the lake when she's

[00:24:46] seeing the ancestors again.

[00:24:49] This time we get a woman giving birth who looks a lot like a young Tula.

[00:24:56] Now, maybe it's her or maybe it's her mother.

[00:25:01] So that's why I think that opening scene with that mimics from a style point of view,

[00:25:08] the opening black and white sign on movie format is a way of visually kind of saying,

[00:25:14] these characters are more related than you think.

[00:25:18] Now, now that's just my guess.

[00:25:20] No, I think that's just, I love when shows do shit like that.

[00:25:23] You know what I mean?

[00:25:24] Because you're not even really paying attention.

[00:25:26] You're like, oh, it's a security camera but you just watch the black and white square

[00:25:30] format intro on this ancestor.

[00:25:34] You know what I mean?

[00:25:35] It's like, that's not just done by chance.

[00:25:39] To go on a little tangent here, do you believe that

[00:25:45] because you just did what I know.

[00:25:46] Don't believe in much.

[00:25:47] So because I know, I know I'm going to try since you just did what if and that's like

[00:25:52] your baby.

[00:25:53] I mean, you love what if do you think with the excitement about Captain Carter and now

[00:26:04] that they put this Indian cartoon in what if an Indian animated feature in what if?

[00:26:13] Yeah.

[00:26:14] Are they do you think they're going to connect those two?

[00:26:18] Because the voices, some of the voices are the same.

[00:26:21] It seems like a lot of the same story.

[00:26:23] Well, that's the way that's why it's kind of saying at the top about the ancestral powers.

[00:26:27] I think that they're, you know, and that Ryan Neary pointed out that, you know, it is

[00:26:34] kind of interesting that they use the same actress for that.

[00:26:39] And also that the power source looks very similar to the test or act.

[00:26:47] Yeah.

[00:26:48] So I think there's a very, I think it could very well be.

[00:26:50] Yeah.

[00:26:51] Okay.

[00:26:52] I mean, another theory I've read is that Chua is actually very old.

[00:26:56] That she's not that that perhaps even that you know, she may be really, really old and

[00:27:02] that she's not 80.

[00:27:03] She's like 800 right or something exactly.

[00:27:06] And that perhaps there this, this what was that city called or that that guy the city

[00:27:12] and the sky or whatever the nation in the sky or whatever that was in that.

[00:27:16] What if perhaps you know, maybe she was there for a while or maybe that's where her other

[00:27:22] daughter is.

[00:27:23] I don't know.

[00:27:24] I mean, I guess the question is, is it, is it above the comics to do something like that

[00:27:32] where for lack of a better word to say your timeline, but to really go all in on the

[00:27:38] what if episode and bring it part of mainstream?

[00:27:42] No.

[00:27:43] No, it's not like the comics like that.

[00:27:45] But I think it could very well be for the MCU.

[00:27:48] I think that the MCU will handle that, could handle that very differently.

[00:27:52] And something that just occurred to me now is we're sitting here talking is that you

[00:27:56] know, people might be reacting to these speculations as oh, well, you know, the what if story had

[00:28:02] a very different premise, which was that the Tesserac falls to the earth way back in whatever

[00:28:07] that time praise 1400s or whatever.

[00:28:10] And that's you know, that and that's how they get.

[00:28:12] Oh, oh, and it went into a lake right.

[00:28:15] If you remember right and it created a whirlpool in the lake.

[00:28:19] Right.

[00:28:20] The same, the same world that we're talking about now what the what the Tesserac does or

[00:28:24] the the space stone, which is really what's inside the Tesserac.

[00:28:28] What it does is it allows you to go to any space and time.

[00:28:32] I don't know if it's time, but definitely any space through these portals that that can

[00:28:37] create as long as it also generates power and everything else.

[00:28:41] But it's main purposes to allow you to go anywhere in the universe at any moment.

[00:28:49] So like a portable wormhole, right?

[00:28:54] So in the what if the space stone opens up this portal way to this sky nation area or

[00:29:06] whatever it is, that's so wonderful.

[00:29:08] And they live forever and they gain all these powers and everything else.

[00:29:13] It didn't create that.

[00:29:15] It allowed access to it.

[00:29:17] Okay.

[00:29:19] So that means that it could very well be and most likely is part of the MCU because it just hasn't been

[00:29:28] accessed before.

[00:29:29] We haven't seen how it got access or they're accessing it a different way, just like the quantum realm.

[00:29:38] You know, it could be a side or the the other dimension that's next to from

[00:29:44] Ms. Marvel and Shang-Shi that we meet, where the dragons come from.

[00:29:49] I don't know if I'm losing everybody here but you know there's there like a different

[00:29:55] dimension of people that are right by side with us or whatever and they came across and

[00:30:00] right no, no, I get it.

[00:30:03] So it's like perhaps it is something that exists in the MCU, but just isn't going to be accessed

[00:30:11] by the same way it was in what if.

[00:30:13] Okay.

[00:30:14] When they get an attack like that, you can just you know.

[00:30:19] No, but you know what though it's good stuff because I'm taking drugs now or what?

[00:30:24] I asked the question.

[00:30:25] I mean, I'm the one that asked the question so I deserve the answer.

[00:30:28] I don't know where I'm ridiculous.

[00:30:32] It is.

[00:30:33] No, but I think though it's really interesting what Disney's trying to do.

[00:30:40] Are they trying to combine or are they trying to just keep it as fun and it sounds like

[00:30:46] you're trying to combine a little.

[00:30:47] Yeah, to create more content or whatever else and you know I well it makes sense because

[00:30:53] the big storyline in the MCU right now is the multiverse right and the whole backbone

[00:30:58] of the what if season one and season two is the multiverse right so it I think it makes

[00:31:04] a lot of sense to have them tie together or relate.

[00:31:08] You know.

[00:31:09] Yeah, now so my I guess is and they already brought Captain Carter.

[00:31:12] I mean they brought Captain Carter into multiverse madness right so that we've already seen

[00:31:17] what if characters come to life in the MCU so all right anyway yes your turn boss.

[00:31:24] Let's take a break and when we come back we'll talk more echo.

[00:31:28] Okay my turn.

[00:31:30] I guess I want to call you know.

[00:31:33] Call this dumb dumb or endomest.

[00:31:36] The three three amigos the three.

[00:31:40] Three amigos the three.

[00:31:42] I mean if you couldn't have written any better comic and isn't the guy's name is right or

[00:31:49] something.

[00:31:50] I guess it's just all over the place these three.

[00:31:55] And so my I didn't like him from the beginning and she was right.

[00:32:04] So not only when you're going to string somebody up don't remember they have a artificial

[00:32:13] limb.

[00:32:14] A detachable artificial limb.

[00:32:17] And then they decided not hard with grads right here.

[00:32:24] They hang are in the middle of a freaking skate ring which I still don't even understand

[00:32:29] why they did that.

[00:32:31] But hey whatever but and then of course she's on the or head you know is first social

[00:32:38] of course just the ball and like just that's the one thing.

[00:32:45] There's no like pillows with this with this with this show man everything is just raw

[00:32:50] yeah like you feel every friggin and that's definitely an influence from the Netflix shows

[00:32:58] I think you know that that was one of the best points about those shows was you've

[00:33:03] just felt like you were just being dragged through the freaking gutter you know what I mean.

[00:33:09] And the other point is just that whole the whole roller rink is my point I guess I love

[00:33:16] how you know she's just playing along with them and then her cousin comes by and this

[00:33:23] is this is what I find really amazing.

[00:33:26] He he her uncle talks to her in sign which I find just fascinating, fascinating awesome

[00:33:36] that they have that because of Maya they could communicate without talking you know

[00:33:43] I mean you know so that Vicki and and his henchwomen could not understand.

[00:33:48] Did you say her uncle yeah is uncle when oh your time by Henry I don't think he's related.

[00:33:59] I don't know for sure but I don't think he's related next week we're gonna have but that

[00:34:04] could change.

[00:34:05] Yeah man you heard me.

[00:34:06] No I didn't know it's he's the long lost father now um but you know Henry so you have

[00:34:12] Henry there and and they're just communicating yeah that was cool and that was really

[00:34:16] cool and then but the best of it all was so she gets captured and then Maya's like okay

[00:34:23] now now decide to get out she got the boot and the knife in the boot and that's that's

[00:34:27] that's like she was just waiting for a way to get out and um you know one thing that I

[00:34:35] did notice because you know after you start doing these things especially from Loki and

[00:34:40] now this everything has a meeting so I went on the the internet and I and I looked up

[00:34:46] the the pinball machine when they had to fight which was pretty awesome and legend legend

[00:34:53] of the Cody uh Coyote was uh was like um uh a Disney movie right where they're protecting

[00:35:00] they're protecting the sheep and stuff um and you know she's getting her ass kicked and

[00:35:06] you know her head's getting beat into the glass and you know because that's what you really

[00:35:10] need uh but I just one of the one of the pinball machines was also the quick and the dead I

[00:35:17] think oh yeah yeah which is uh with that which share and that's the famous movie by was Sharon

[00:35:23] Stone as a um assassin or a quick draw gun assassin yeah yeah that was awesome.

[00:35:30] Oh man and she was with those things like friggin Indian Jones yeah the whips are yeah

[00:35:35] yeah yeah I mean and it's just she was on a different level and and that whole thing was great

[00:35:44] but I just love that um everybody has a boss yeah and right before they're gonna get killed

[00:35:52] the boss call yeah and you know but I'll leave it at that I knew you have some points about

[00:35:57] that as well so well uh before I get to my next point I'll talk about some points I had about the

[00:36:04] roller-rink fight as well because that just brought that up um first of all the the camera tracking

[00:36:10] in upside down I freaking loved that um and as it pans in it rotates back to center um and I mean

[00:36:18] obviously it's showing us that my situation has just basically gone sideways or turned upside down

[00:36:24] which is great camera technique and if you remember um it was used really effectively before

[00:36:30] and Loki too we saw that twice in Loki um when they discovered the time Lords were robots in season one

[00:36:36] and then they come back to the next episode and the it tracks in upside down and as you go through

[00:36:41] the door it rotates back around and I thought that that was just awesome and again in uh season two

[00:36:47] I think it's when the loom is getting ready to explode regardless of what Loki does and try to stop

[00:36:53] it and so it's this idea that you know let the whole universe is upside down and there's nothing

[00:36:58] you can do about it so I love the use of that I think it's really cool um I thought that the fight

[00:37:05] in general was fantastic uh the Bolo throwing with the ski balls the gun aim I mean again the mimic

[00:37:13] abilities that she gains from Tudor are so much more empowering useful um cool I guess um so

[00:37:25] that's the best word they're just like the fight choreography just gets better every episode um

[00:37:31] it's even more like Daredevil now I mean they just you feel like you can feel the punches you know what I

[00:37:37] mean um I love that um blasting my only my only criticism and it's it's always dark yeah yeah

[00:37:47] it seems like it's never you can never see well that was a problem in Daredevil too a lot I found

[00:37:53] and I don't know it perhaps it's a conscious decision because um if you if you have it too bright

[00:38:03] you're gonna see like I noticed in the opening you know I remember Penny was was kind of

[00:38:07] or was a Sydney and he was Sydney was kind of critical of the first episode that opening fight

[00:38:13] in the warehouse um and and I understand her criticism of it because there were definitely

[00:38:20] clearly um punches that you could tell we're not landing or were um there's one word this guy

[00:38:29] as she's standing in Dory gets pushed up against the wall and the guy was holding him down with

[00:38:34] one hand and tries to punch him in the stomach with the other and it it's clearly he stops just

[00:38:38] before he really hits him and so you know but so I think when you're trying to create this brutal

[00:38:45] riddy grimy you know in the gutter brawl bar type brawl um it's it's it's hard to to do it and not

[00:38:58] sometimes see those you know where you're holding back um because the cameras in close

[00:39:03] and the figures are close they're not like cutting from behind and then showing you swing your

[00:39:08] you know what I mean so I think probably they shoot it darker to help cover some of that but I

[00:39:14] agree I find that frustrating as hell um the blasting through the wall with the black with the bad guy

[00:39:21] and landing on him on the ground slam it is that was like that was like a quintessential full page

[00:39:27] splash page in a comic book I mean it was like right you know I just uh I thought that was awesome um

[00:39:34] the music choice uh Dracula by Rob Zombie perfect for this now good and perfect and then the

[00:39:40] boot knife for the win I'm sorry boot knife for the win fucking awesome made me think of the scene in

[00:39:47] Logan when she's yeah and she uses her foot blade and then and then in the car I guess uh

[00:39:55] S.R.X. is explaining how you know the the female lions fight with their rear fives also

[00:40:02] looks so cool but anyway um love that scene I agree with you

[00:40:06] so what's your next one was character building again I think I think this episode had some

[00:40:16] some some of the best character building but also perhaps

[00:40:21] um some of the world most not well done character building you know my criticism would be

[00:40:31] I just think that Bonnie as a character has just been poorly handled um you know we get no back

[00:40:38] story of her character development for Bonnie except the opening episode scene with them in the tent

[00:40:44] when their children unlike all the others surrounding characters like scully biscuits

[00:40:50] Henry Chola who we get to know and care about um they're finally you know as a result

[00:40:58] and I think they could have I mean we could have met Bonnie we didn't have to my it didn't have to

[00:41:02] meter but we could have met her we could have seen her interacting with biscuits more than just that

[00:41:08] radio back and forth um so I just feel as result when they finally met it was kind of anti-climatic

[00:41:17] I just didn't feel any chemistry between the two of them like oh my god they're finally meeting

[00:41:22] you know what I mean it was like it just yeah so that kind of bummed me out a little bit but in

[00:41:28] contrast uh that opening sequence with scully and chula was just uh you know I mean it was just

[00:41:35] it was just amazing I mean two fantastic actors some great writing um you know clearly scully still in

[00:41:41] love with her um you know so you know some great dialogue you know I pulled out this this

[00:41:50] exchange um chula says you know she's about Maya that she's bringing trouble with her she's too much

[00:41:56] like her father and then scully says you don't know that you don't even know her you know

[00:42:01] you two are exactly alike he says and then she says we are not alike everything I've done I've been

[00:42:07] has been to protect my family however much it hurt and then scully says you lost your daughter

[00:42:12] why don't you swallow your pride before you lose your granddaughter too and chula says I can't talk

[00:42:17] to her now I got nothing to say and scully says maybe it shouldn't talk to her maybe you should

[00:42:21] just listen for once and I mean to me that that I mean the intensity all the the history of that

[00:42:30] family and those people and the and their powerful relationships with each other and with Maya

[00:42:35] it just makes everything so much richer and so much better and and and it's going to make the

[00:42:42] the time when chula and Maya finally sit down so much more rewarding I think you know what I mean

[00:42:49] and I wish and I wish they had brought that kind of effort or or development into the

[00:42:57] the body relationship so no absolutely I think that you know I just don't understand why

[00:43:05] she's got so much beef with her like I just don't get that now maybe I'm let me work through this

[00:43:14] for one second you know she go we we see her in the beginning and she basically want it

[00:43:21] what's nothing to do with her like when she was leaving with her father yeah no very cold and it

[00:43:27] was just I was always cold and I don't does she blame her for her daughter's death I know I mean

[00:43:35] it seemed like she was blaming the father and I don't know and I don't know why that is either

[00:43:41] I mean because she didn't like the fact that she married him but and and then she blamed him at

[00:43:48] the hospital and thought that he should leave but he's he had nothing to do with the actual

[00:43:55] death and they were seemed fine at the and that opening scene in first episode when they were all

[00:44:00] sitting around the the yard having the cookout and talking and everything else you know I mean so

[00:44:07] yeah just didn't make it a lot a whole lot of sense well I think there's a lot that we haven't

[00:44:11] you know again with chula there's a lot that is not has not been shared with us yet so

[00:44:17] absolutely no no absolutely absolutely absolutely um I you know you know going back to the

[00:44:24] relationships I love that scene uh it's just that was like my favorite scene masterful and

[00:44:31] and you know to to expand on that I just love how even though there wasn't a lot of context with

[00:44:39] um you know the cousins my and my and her cousin they just go right at it like where are you

[00:44:46] being now she never answered why didn't you answer my text back maybe she never got him I that's

[00:44:52] what I was thinking she never actually got all everything well I don't know I don't know about

[00:44:58] that I think she just um it was too painful I mean as a child to be to lose your mother

[00:45:06] and then be torn away from all of the rest of your supporting family and then as a result of

[00:45:12] going to New York having your father get killed um she's just uh it was just too painful

[00:45:20] it was just obviously too painful and she didn't want to be reminded of it she didn't want to um

[00:45:26] think about how much she missed you know that that connection I don't know I mean I speculation but

[00:45:34] you know clearly um she she shut her out she was shutting out her own feelings yeah no

[00:45:40] but like you know that's how she was in Hawkeye too she was this kind of icy

[00:45:45] mechanical assassin unfeeling and and that was because she was so detached and and

[00:45:53] purposefully because she had so much pain she was trying to shut it off wall it off

[00:45:58] that's that's my reading yeah no yeah no that makes sense um you know uh in terms of other things

[00:46:06] I mean the only other thing that I I really have in terms of uh scenes or points that I

[00:46:13] I mean we can get to the big scene and I'm gonna let you get to that what are you talking about

[00:46:17] uh through my big scene oh you're talking about the yet there's only one more big yeah yeah yeah

[00:46:22] we're only talking about one mother one more scene and um you know I'm a little disappointed that

[00:46:29] the leg doesn't have rocks on it oh you gotta have it you gotta somewhere to go every Iron Man

[00:46:35] was a new suit come on you gotta like an anime so I love I love I know I'm going back to this but

[00:46:42] I love like oh well just put my pants over it don't worry it's too slaggy but no let's

[00:46:47] never see the there's a horror not like a horror zombie movie I can't remember it's by um well

[00:46:54] this is embarrassing so I'm not but anyway the the woman wears has an artificial leg and she

[00:46:59] outfits it with machine guns and it's pretty it's yeah it's pretty wild yeah um I can't

[00:47:05] remember the name so uh we know the one let we'll know we're not oh yeah yeah so um no but you know

[00:47:14] let's let's talk about but that but that link that thing he did develop that shield was pretty damn

[00:47:19] cool I mean I loved it and it gives her look just on just a little bit of comic book flair to the

[00:47:27] entire which is nice you know because again the the the approach that Marvel did with the Netflix

[00:47:34] shows that they seem to be you know trying to do again here with with these street level characters

[00:47:39] is to not rely heavily on you know the comic bookie stereotypical costumes superpowers kind of

[00:47:46] you know what I mean even Daredevil suit is you know more functional than it is flashy and um

[00:47:54] and I think that you know they're gonna do the same thing with her they're gonna give her some

[00:47:57] some flash some comic book you know looking stuff but it's gonna be uh it's gonna be limited

[00:48:03] like that circular uh um symbol that's on her coat that's from the comic she that's her symbol

[00:48:13] for I'm not yeah always it okay and she wears a painted on her face and on her body and stuff

[00:48:19] like that and so you know they're they're working things in like that but they're doing it subtly

[00:48:25] you know okay um so what did you think of King King Pins return in terms of him having

[00:48:33] one eye useful when he gets shot in the face and both of his eyes should have been gone.

[00:48:39] Hey man well I think um a couple things so I thought the I was glad to see him but I felt it

[00:48:48] was a clunky introduction of him to this at this point in time and the way that they handled it

[00:48:54] to before I go into that before your your immediate question is you know I mean I think

[00:49:00] it was clearly shown in the Hawkeye show that there's something going on with him um that's

[00:49:06] different from the uh the Marvel Netflix version of him um okay you know he rips the door off the car

[00:49:15] in in the Hawkeye he gets run over and slammed into a building by an SUV and just gets up like

[00:49:22] nothing happened he takes an arrow in the chest um so you know something's going on with him that

[00:49:30] we're not aware of yet and my guess is is that they're gonna have him have some sort of

[00:49:36] up to super soldier kind of like serum that he's taken to give him which is good because

[00:49:44] it's not gonna be like he's shooting beams out of his eyes but it's gonna give him the ability

[00:49:50] to go toe-to-toe in a fist of fist of cuffs with Daredevil or with Spider-Man you know Spider-Man

[00:49:57] has super powers you know what I mean it's like so um I think that's what we're leading towards

[00:50:03] and in that regard one of Caps big powers is his ability to take a lot of damage and to heal quickly

[00:50:11] so um right perhaps that's how the eye will get explained I don't know if we're gonna get that

[00:50:16] explanation necessarily in this series oh no yeah but I mean I have to guess that that's going on

[00:50:23] because they can't expect us to just believe that you know she shot him in the face she said it

[00:50:28] I shot him in the face exactly exactly like like nobody expected him to be alive now I thought

[00:50:36] the intro was clunky um I think that it would have been a lot more dramatic if rather than him

[00:50:42] just walking out of the shadows and then the camera you know showing his face and her reaction

[00:50:48] and then cut I would have liked to have seen something more like you know him you know her getting

[00:50:55] off the bike going into her place and then him sitting in shadow in a chair in kind of outline

[00:51:02] silhouette with his bald head and it's clearly him you know what I mean and then you know maybe

[00:51:08] all we start to hear is the all the sciaco silent and all we hear is her heartbeat again

[00:51:14] you know what I mean and then maybe he leans forward and there's like moonlight or something

[00:51:18] coming in the window and he signs to her I missed you something you know what I'm saying something

[00:51:24] like well that just would be much more dramatic and and uh I just thought this was kind of

[00:51:32] oh king pain walks out of the shadows wow okay I don't know that what did you think

[00:51:38] well well I the what I think is my phone just rang in disney called and they wanted to see if you could do that

[00:51:45] as you almost joke no actually that's at it awesome and and you should actually that's what you

[00:51:53] should draw is him and yeah and saying I miss you and and I bet you have people would love

[00:51:59] that more than what happened but you know I think because we're taking them one at a time and

[00:52:08] we're not binging it it it has a different feel than if it if it was right single episodes that's

[00:52:16] the first yeah well exactly I'm watching just picked up the next episode right away and we would have

[00:52:20] entered you know what I think got him and all these things we would have kind of not thought about much

[00:52:25] but that's also the plus side of watching it weekly too because you get a chance to kind of really

[00:52:31] digest it yeah exactly I mean I'm watching I'm watching uh the Percy Jack oh yeah my daughter

[00:52:37] likes that I'm gonna say right now every every Wednesday morning my my wife my daughter and I

[00:52:46] oh that's great and and the thing about this show every single week it's like a better

[00:52:55] cliffhanger than that so that's awesome I mean it's always great always a good cliffhanger and I

[00:53:01] mean I do want to watch it all at once but um but yeah they do they did a really great they're doing

[00:53:07] a great job I don't know how many more I've I think I I enjoyed when the whole phenomena of Netflix

[00:53:14] drop in full series and the whole idea of binging that was that was kind of cool but I quickly kind of

[00:53:21] grew out of favor of it because of multiple reasons one is because you don't get this opportunity

[00:53:28] to think about it and digest episode by episode each week and speculate in you know I can

[00:53:33] remember watching Lost and Babylon 5 and some other shows like that that I loved that were you

[00:53:39] know sequential and um you know you'd spend the week theorizing about you know what it was

[00:53:46] you know I'd talk with my wife what was going on there and it's it's water cooler stuff and now

[00:53:54] that we have no one seems like we're getting back to that though that's the point I wanted to make

[00:53:58] was as I think so they there was a down there there was a plus to that initially but now people are

[00:54:03] realizing they kind of like the idea of the weekly and I think the shows do too because it helps

[00:54:08] bring people back whereas you binge it and then you're gone well I think that that's the problem

[00:54:14] with like stranger things or whatever after after a couple days nobody's talking about it

[00:54:19] and and I mean you look at that's why we get no comments

[00:54:24] that's not that's good we're doing a shitty job

[00:54:28] no I I think um you know you look at our our main show which is the walking dead

[00:54:37] and everybody was up in arms including myself about how they left um when Negan first came in

[00:54:45] you know on the cliffhanger season six yeah and everybody was up in arms and and most and me too

[00:54:53] but the thing is that's the way shows you used to be like I mean he was just he was just looking at

[00:55:00] an old trope and he just did an old trope that was great and there and their their viewership for the

[00:55:05] opener for season seven if I remember right was through the roof it was of course it was

[00:55:13] I mean it was at the height of yeah of uh the show and then the Negan years kind of killed it all but

[00:55:20] you know whatever um in terms of it just went on too long but that's not this show um we don't

[00:55:28] have time to go too long because it's it's like ready to go we only have five episodes and we're

[00:55:33] at the mid season for allie um I mean I I think that seeing Kingpin is great you know um knowing

[00:55:42] that knowing that Kingpin wants to be around as long as they want him to be around makes it even better

[00:55:48] right you know I mean and and the actor is the creepiest freaking guy do not for you all I think oh

[00:55:58] did not Leo I just keep thinking of him in full metal jacket yeah and and if he came out

[00:56:04] and and in that scene and just went joker I would have freaking lost my shit

[00:56:12] I would have lost it yeah and I mean I just keep seeing him as crazy uh Goma pile

[00:56:21] and I just can't do that a lot of other things but oh no he stood he's as a whole a whole

[00:56:28] here well that I just don't even want to recognize because I keep thinking of him as as

[00:56:34] Goma pile and I know it's like a thousand years ago I mean you know that he did that but

[00:56:40] I mean he was on s for you or he was on one of those lawn orders for one hell and all sorts of

[00:56:45] different things but um that said um you know I think having Kingpin in the mix now really changes

[00:56:54] the story it really gives it more legs and it could create a season two possibly it could create

[00:57:01] not a it might not create a season two it might create something else with another character that

[00:57:05] we i'll be really disappointed if they don't bring my back for at least one episode of Daredevil

[00:57:15] I think she's gonna still stay in the MCU I just don't know if she's gonna actually get a second

[00:57:19] yeah I don't know if she's gonna get a second season either right I don't I kind of doubted

[00:57:23] actually but I love to see her show up in in the Daredevil series or and of course yeah I mean

[00:57:29] I assume they'll do that but but you know you never know because now they've got you know they've

[00:57:35] announced that uh all the Netflix stuff is cannon um they've also announced this week that um

[00:57:42] the guy that the bullseye is gonna be in like three episodes um the character that was part of

[00:57:48] the last season three of Daredevil um who got his back broken by Kingpin and had a replace with

[00:57:55] vibranium um and then uh he's a big Daredevil villain and then also uh there's supposedly

[00:58:05] Jessica Jones was gonna be in it and now they've also announced that both Karen and Foggy will be back

[00:58:12] so they're they're gonna have a lot a lot of stuff going on a lot of people that are gonna be shown up

[00:58:17] I don't know since you know Maya showed just ran whether they'll bring her back or not but it seems

[00:58:23] like if you're gonna have Kingpin um you're gonna have to have a chance she's like yeah she has to be

[00:58:30] part of it um so do you have any other notes no no that's it for me take a break so let's take a break

[00:58:38] and then when we get back we'll talk news and feedback and all sorts of wonderful things that

[00:58:45] we haven't done so we'll talk to you on the other side

[00:58:52] welcome back you're still here thank you and

[00:58:57] Kirk what do you got for news well uh let's see a Marvel announced this week uh that the Marvels

[00:59:02] the movie The Marvels that you me and Sydney did a review of will start streaming on Disney

[00:59:07] Pulse in February 7th um we could they made could they've made any more of a big deal about that

[00:59:15] it was on like eh they must have spent a million dollars on Facebook ads yeah well they're trying

[00:59:21] to recoup as much as possible or get as much out of it as they can considering how I was historically

[00:59:26] bad it did at the box office which is a bummer um but you know as we mentioned in our review uh it's not

[00:59:33] a perfect film um but you know the cast is wonderful the chemistry and the action the chemistry

[00:59:40] of the cast is amazing the action in the CGI were all great um the story was solid you know

[00:59:46] and plus it's got flirkins you know the cat light creatures that shoot tentacles out of their mouths

[00:59:51] they transport anything to an alternate unit event universe or dimension which you know

[00:59:56] they're worth it just alone so no I did like that movie and I highly recommend people check it out

[01:00:04] another great one that I just uh Netflix just announced um is that Avatar the last airbender live

[01:00:11] action starts streaming on February 22nd um the first full trailer released this week and it's

[01:00:17] spectacular uh I don't know if you're a fan of of Avatar I'm not a big Avatar guy but I've seen

[01:00:24] the first one yeah and I know everybody went crazy about the second one or whatever I never even saw

[01:00:30] yeah I expect this show will be a massive hit for Netflix um hopefully it'll undo the damage done

[01:00:37] by m-night Shamla's shaman I don't know how he pronounces last time just gonna say m-night is feature film

[01:00:44] version which was terrible um and also hopefully it'll inherit and reignite interest in the original

[01:00:50] animated series which is and it's been off the legend of Korra which are both you know beautiful

[01:00:55] stories filled with adventure great characters humor heartbreak everything that makes the heroes

[01:01:00] journey compelling so I highly recommend people check this new series out either in the new live

[01:01:04] action or go back and watch the original animated it's it's it's just beautiful it's beautifully done

[01:01:10] and um and it's a compelling story I'm anxious to see them brought to life uh Ryan Reynolds announced

[01:01:17] on Twitter this week that principal filming for Deadpool 3 has wrapped so that's yeah baby so

[01:01:25] that's great news considering it's the only film on the schedule for Marvel in 2024 it's good

[01:01:30] to know that it's high camp believe that truth man they've got a bunch of animated shit um they

[01:01:36] got the spider-man animated show they've got the x-men animated show now I'm here in rumors that

[01:01:40] there might actually be uh Marvel zombies that will come out this year I find that hard to believe

[01:01:46] because I thought that had died but um so well that was yeah that's what I thought there's zombies

[01:01:52] there you go there's zombie go there are animated it come on mark they're animated they're animated

[01:01:59] um so so that's that's good news to hear about Deadpool 3 although it strikes me as and here we are

[01:02:06] the beginning of February that's supposed to come out I think May or June right that's not even six

[01:02:12] months to do the post and CGI post and a scary there but um so I wouldn't be surprised at that gets

[01:02:21] moved um and the Academy Awards I've apologized for my clear my throat all the time the Academy

[01:02:27] Awards released its nominations this week and the summer blockbuster Barbie racked up eight nominations

[01:02:34] among them Ryan Gosling for best supporting actor but a nod for Ken and not Barbie in a film that's

[01:02:40] all about women living in a male patriarchy fell a little on the nose for some many felt uh

[01:02:46] girl wig director should be in the best director category and that Robbie should be recognized

[01:02:51] as best actress um one theory that I read recently uh that from fans online is that spreading and

[01:02:57] getting hot I guess is that maybe the film will be pulled what they call an Argo I don't know if

[01:03:01] you remember that movie but uh been a flex directorial snub for Argo during the 2013 Oscar nominations

[01:03:08] and um they're hoping that the snub could lead to girl wig and Barbie bagging best picture

[01:03:15] which if that happens both girl wig and Robbie would get the ought would get Oscar so we'll see

[01:03:21] in addition um the uh this year's nominations also providing an opportunity for Marvel to take

[01:03:27] the lead in the Academy Awards over DC for the first time ever um currently the two are tied in

[01:03:33] Oscar wins at seven uh Marvel and DC's competition for awards began with DC's win for Superman

[01:03:40] for best visual effects in 1978 Marvel for the first time has the chance to pull ahead on the leaderboard

[01:03:48] with this year's nominations of Guardians of the Galaxy 3 for visual effects and Spider-Man

[01:03:53] across the spiderverse for best animated film so Marvel fans keep your fingers crossed could be our

[01:03:58] chance to take the lead yeah yeah yeah man we're better than DC and that's I gotta say Superman was

[01:04:09] the best friggin movie at the time it was good I agree I'm saying and they get was just well again

[01:04:15] there was there was just up until that point there was no decent portrayal of a comic book character

[01:04:21] on screen you know everything had always been campy and poorly done and they really put an effort

[01:04:27] into the special effects and they I'm really focused on the story and the characters and and for the

[01:04:33] first time we we saw a comic book come to life in a way that we'd never had prior to that so

[01:04:40] yeah no I agree same with the 89 Batman Keaton's Batman one and two oh yeah so yeah DC did set you

[01:04:48] know they they kind of set the tone of course Marvel back then was not even a studio I mean

[01:04:55] they they were in a Marvel form just now they've sold their rights out and then other studios were

[01:05:01] had their stuff but so that's it that's it for news all right well we managed to

[01:05:10] crush the news as well as everything else like Maya was crushing skulls and getting her head

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[01:05:43] tola which which is exactly her mother's name right

[01:05:50] yeah I think so or I think it's her mother I think it's her mother's name

[01:05:53] all right well you could put the comments in the the feedback folks because

[01:06:00] well I'm not worried because we don't get any feedback so it does and we can say whatever the

[01:06:05] fuck we want no I mean Ronaldo that's true that's true and then and then you know what he made

[01:06:13] do such a good job hey you know he may want to come back and you know set us up yeah yeah

[01:06:18] finale but but folks that's our show and I can't wait to talk about episode four unfortunately you

[01:06:28] won't be here because you'll be doing great things down in Atlanta come on Atlanta

[01:06:34] and if folks if you guys are down there please make sure you stop by and check his stuff out

[01:06:40] I know you said you're gonna do a couple of pieces yeah working on a Darryl Dixon Dixon show

[01:06:46] piece I'm trying to finish a soka piece I had started I'd love to do an echo piece

[01:06:55] and but I'm running out of time so I gotta go so I can get some work done

[01:07:01] I'm telling you so we gotta go and he's gonna bring his whole trailer down there and the goal is

[01:07:07] he can't have anything left so if you're in the Atlanta area make sure you go and just buy it all

[01:07:15] and no it's supposed to be a real star study yeah it's really blowing up I mean

[01:07:20] pulling up in terms of that and I'm really normally just for the first time he's been at a show in four

[01:07:24] years yeah it's really getting big in John Bernfall yeah are you gonna do a who's also coming back in

[01:07:34] Darryl Punisher right are you gonna do another and I'm pointing to it like people can see it

[01:07:41] another piece with all the faces of the people so they're gonna be there a show poster like I've

[01:07:47] done in the past yeah I'm not I'm not there's just not enough time and they keep I really get it

[01:07:53] so many people the last minute um I figured it was better to concentrate on on getting some other

[01:07:59] tribute stuff done to different shows well while you're down there make sure you say hi to Lizzie

[01:08:05] for me my podcast partner from and oh and by the way congratulations why don't you uh no okay

[01:08:12] that's uh good on your success of your your from show that's fantastic well what we're doing is

[01:08:18] we're doing a little bit of a special uh from episode it's our 50th episode and um we got a

[01:08:24] couple of surprises that Lizzie did I almost boiled that's what it needs for us so don't worry about

[01:08:30] it um and I actually told her I have something I gotta tell you but I can't tell you

[01:08:34] so it's just an excellent but sometimes she doesn't even listen to our podcast anyway nobody does

[01:08:39] oh he does so anyway we better get out of here before so you can get done my name is

[01:08:43] that Kirk and uh don't punch out any like we're out of here peace bye peace