79: “Seekest Thou the Road” (Agatha All Along S1E1)

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[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Hey everybody.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_07]: Welcome to the Marvel TV cast from Plodcastica on Penny.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And I am Jim and today we're going to be talking about Agatha O'Long season one episode

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_02]: 1.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Seekestow Throde.

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm so excited.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yay, it's finally here.

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_07]: It's finally here.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_07]: So what were your overall thoughts and impressions of this first episode?

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll give you two.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, two parallel thoughts.

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I watched it the first time and was perplexed.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess is the right word.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it kind of fits a story about which is but I liked it.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I knew that I liked it but I could not get my head around what they were doing.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It felt initially.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was done really well.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But I was like, why did they do that?

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Like why?

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[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Why did they, well how did, how do we get from there to here?

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And it just I could not figure it out.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And when I so that's what I started texting you thinking oh this is going to be Jim

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_02]: hating on a show but loving on the characters and then I watched it the second time.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And when I watched it the second time and things started to click.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_02]: For example, without getting into the weeds too thick I think that when you started

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: realizing what Catherine Han was actually doing the first half of the show and we'll

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: get into that.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like oh, like none of this really happened the way we saw it.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it all started to click to me.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: That I was like holy cow.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_02]: They figured out a way to parallel the theme of wand division but do it in a really unique

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: and almost perfect agnus slash ag at the way.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And the minute that I'll start clicking me and to be quite honest with you, there's a couple

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_02]: of characters I'm super intrigued with that we must delve into in a second.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But I just think that they have a path forward.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not I have no idea what okay they talked a lot about a road and I mean it's in the theme right

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_02]: it's in the title of the episode.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So I have no idea where this is going but they did a great job setting the tone with who

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: this character is and perhaps perhaps who the bad guy is in this show although I'm not

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: there's so many questions but they're good questions and initially I didn't think they were

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: good questions.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So if you're listening to this podcast after watching it really quickly once and you're not

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: like in it as much as you're wondering why they did this homage to another show, go back and watch it again

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: and really pay attention because how they come out of it was just a spectacular which we'll talk about.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_02]: What about you, Penny?

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Like what like I know witches are you're like I loved doing buffy with you because

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: well obviously when your favorite characters but I like what what did you get out of this

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: like your initial your initial volley.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_07]: I generally try to avoid any kind of pre information about shows I'm going to watch but

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_07]: of course when you're podcasting it's a little bit your responsibility to look at the trailers

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_07]: and think about you know read up the news and all that stuff so I had enough information

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_07]: ahead of time to know that they were doing a bit about mayor of East Town which is an

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_07]: HBO show and you know as soon as I saw Agnes of West View as like oh,

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_07]: there it is okay that's what they're doing and and I've seen mayor of East Town.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't remember it very well it was during my phase when I watched like six of those

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_07]: small town murder drama gloomy shows in a row you know like broad church the killing

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_07]: like I watched a whole bunch of a mullet row so they all blend together but I was like oh

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_07]: they're hitting all the tropes of those shows like here's the detective she's had disciplinary

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_07]: problems she shows up with two coffees for her buddy and I'm like they're not going to

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_07]: stay in this mayor if this this mayor of East Town's booth so I'm just going to

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_07]: enjoy how well they're spoofing it and very early on I was like wait a minute there's

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_07]: a lot of details that I think are going to matter later.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_07]: So I'll second watch I was much more like looking at like little tiny details

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_07]: and being like a bet that's coming back but that's coming back but that's coming back

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_07]: I thought her sort of version of the Kate Winslet performance in mayor of East Town was pretty

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_07]: dead on.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_07]: It's hilarious.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Ray it so it's crazy how beat by beat if you watch that show there's there's the second

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_02]: episode of the mayor of East Town is almost beat for beat this show and the

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: coloring the cinematography style of it.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_02]: The music the it was I couldn't it was done better in many ways then you know if you

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: show to agatha you know obviously they did a lot of plays on on sitcoms and

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_02]: parodies on sitcoms this was very much in the same vein that it was done at like

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_02]: prestige television level which is because they were mimicking prestige television

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_07]: yes right they weren't copying an HBO show whereas one division was copying network

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_07]: like old school sitcoms that were like shallow and light and fast and mayor of East

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_07]: town is like dark and gloomy and plotting like all of those shows are they all are.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_07]: I personally think broad churches the best of all of those brilliant brilliant.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Aside note there's two versions of broad church there's a real version of the

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_02]: background and then they brought but the but the but I never watched the fake one if you

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_02]: you should only because you know our boys in both yeah David he's in both

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's beat for beat the same except with English accents and it really is kind of

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: a neat like it's almost worth like a podcast like watching episode one and then watching

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: episode one and then watching episode two and watching episode two.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh that would be a fun project there's their beat my daughter and I did that and it was

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_02]: but you are the British version of that show I agree with you was was fantastic.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_07]: It's some of the it's some of the best of that braid of show.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_07]: I also really already I'm in love with Aubrey Plaza.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_07]: I have been since Parks and Recreation everything she does she steals the scenes in

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_07]: and I was like oh no who's going to who's going to take the scene Catherine Han

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_07]: or Aubrey Plaza like like oh my god and then when the two of them were on screen

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_07]: together I was like it's buffing in faith.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_07]: It's like it's like you get this vibe of like we understand each other we hate each other

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_07]: we love each other.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_07]: We're equals we're rivals it's like all of those things at once you know but here's

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_02]: the twist we talk a lot about this on the buffy show they just never crossed a line on that

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: show I think they might cross a line on the show with there's some

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_02]: sexual tension and it's like it palpate from the second and it's kind of it's funny

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: because when you first meet her character you you're still trying to figure out what

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_02]: the heck is going on but that that you could see that in that that FBI suit that she was

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: wearing that like she was trying not to burst out of it she just wanted the anger and

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_02]: hate and the passion and eventually comes out later in the episode like you could feel

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_02]: it and I mean Aubrey Plaza's good at that like she's she's really good at that and

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: watching both of them start off so like one who clearly knows everything that's going on

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and the other one who doesn't it's totally yeah just kind of watching the watching

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Aubrey Plaza spending the episode poking and prodding and pushing and when she finally gets her in

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_02]: that spot pulling her back into from Agnes to Agatha.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, good.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_07]: So good.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_07]: All right so let's start let's start with talking about the delusion so at the end of

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_07]: one division Agatha has been beaten by Scarlett Witch or Wanda and Wanda takes all of her

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_07]: psychological powers and traps her in this delusion where she's this Agnes character

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_07]: and sometime in the intervening three years she has morphed from a sitcom character

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_07]: into a crime drama character but apparently the rest of Westview is like well Agnes is just kind of

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_07]: crazy and I find that hilarious at the rest of the townspeople are like let's just make

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_07]: sure she's fed and it'll be fine.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: What's kind of funny is they said if I don't have the exact quote but this wasn't the whole

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_02]: three years this was like a couple of days like yeah they're like lately it seems like

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_07]: you've been bitten by the true crime book which I'm like what set that on and what else

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_02]: has she done and we ever get to see what that looks like because like what's been going on

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: for three years so that yeah and I the funniest so when I first watched it I was like why are

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: they doing this like I don't get it like why they're just trying to they're mimicking

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_02]: that's not what they were they okay there was some they're definitely was some okay

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: so let's do let's kind of throw the let's throw the same at them but different

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and I just I was like there was a reason there was a reason for that in the first episode

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_02]: and while we didn't know in the first episode of Wanda vision why they were doing it

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_02]: when they tied all together after the first six episodes it's super clear why they did it

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: and then this one yeah that this was my problem like I I loved it I loved the way look I love

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: the acting I loved everything about it but I kept saying why why are we doing

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah even after the you know even after the reason even after they were saying like look we

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_02]: were just kind of going with your kind of and so you said it best like if you just

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_02]: would have said hey Jim there's some delusional things going on there I think I probably

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_02]: would have done it differently but I just wanted there's this one scene okay the big scene

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_02]: like when she comes bursting out of the door naked and her job whatever his name is in

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_02]: this is standing across the way across his fence line a fence line that we got to see

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_02]: and parody form back in Wanda the fence line that we got to see at the very beginning of

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: the show and she walks up with the two cups of coffee and so as he as she's the second

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_02]: time I watch this as she's talking to him over the flowers and his fence line started

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: naked I it those all of those scenes clicked I was like holy sh that's better that's

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: the police tape that's where the police tape was oh none of that really happened then

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_02]: it started to make sense and as you watch all of the things yeah when she walks up to

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_07]: the coffee cups he's like how do you neighbor and then and then he's the cop like first

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_07]: he's the her neighbor and then it's like the delusional takes over and he's the cop with her

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_07]: but and the look on his face when she first walks up to the police line is like what's

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_07]: that I'm going to do today we we never know and then he's like he starts playing

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_07]: the cop and you're like is that that acting no that's good acting because he's switching from

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_07]: who he is as a character to who he is in her delusional and that subtle and clever

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_07]: but you have to like have you have to give it a little grace to let it happen because

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_07]: if you're trying to hard to figure it out too fast you're going to see the things that are

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_07]: used as flaws yes right and then yes and then later you realize all those

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_07]: were clues. So I had this theory that Rio the the obroup laws of character once she

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_07]: wants agapetta to remember who she is so I think she sent her she couldn't like just

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_07]: rip her right out of the delusional yes. So she decided to guide the delusional into a detective

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_07]: character so that Agnes would be forced to uncover some of the clues for herself and

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_07]: therefore the clues would prompt and awakening because Rio couldn't like do it from

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_07]: the outside so she had to get her to do it for herself.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so not knowing the backstory between the two and I guess my question is the

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Agatha Agnes is in you know what these poor people at Westview.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, they've been through it.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So I guess maybe a question I have for you is the

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: so the backstory too we get the Agnes part Agnes come she doesn't remember who she is or magic is gone

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: is the connectivity to now her remembering everything because is it based solely on the fact that

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Scarlet Witch that the Wanda character is dead.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I was pondering this, is that like

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_02]: because now the in theory when you know she was the room if you go back to Wanda vision the

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_07]: rooms around the town and yeah so maybe the events of the Dr Strange multiverse of

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Madness movie is it is left a little unclear at the end of that movie whether Scarlet Witch

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_07]: is dead or not you know she and there's some people on the internet who think

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_07]: Wanda's still alive but Scarlet Witch is dead and I'm like oh that's a that's messing with

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_07]: ahead don't you that but also in in the MCU now there's always the chance that it's Wanda from

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_07]: another universe so that's also always out there but there is something about like Scarlet Witch

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_07]: pulled the it's called the Wonder Wonder Goor or something like that she pulled it down on herself

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_07]: and maybe yet some of her spell the strength of the spell she had put on Agnes as weakened

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_07]: as a result making it opening where Rio was able to find her and be able to like you know

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_07]: weakened the spell further and eventually break it that's I didn't actually thought about that

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sort of ruminating it out loud right now. So when you when you think about the story so it was

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: the Wonder Goor, the Wonder Goor, the Wonder Goor, Darkhold Castle the whole mystery the murder

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_02]: centered around what turns out to be Scarlet Witch and we dive into the story of that.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: She she's looking at the name of the book that got all burned in the name of the book was

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Darkhold the Darkhold and that's the book that Wanda has at the tail end of Wanda Vision into

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: the two multiverse madness it's the book that she destroys in every universe which is why the fire was in there

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and that's the castle the castle Darkhold Castle and Wanda Goor that Mount Wanda Goor I believe it was

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_02]: called she pulls that down onto herself. That whole so as I I don't know why I missed this but she

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_02]: started to write Darkhold I missed that the first time I watched it so when she was watching the

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: oh and then you start paying attention to the dead body that was crushed I mean and then you

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_02]: look at what she was wearing she's wearing that hoodie with the jeans which is what she was wearing

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: like I just finished watching that episode I was like holy crap like literally

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_02]: is this yeah and then I'm like is this a metaphor is this a metaphor or is this real like

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: and and the more I started getting intertwined into all that and I'm like okay there are they

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_02]: just trying to put that story to that and I don't want to give any spoilers to any movies although

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_02]: we we had podcast on it. You kind of just did well and and and just so in this isn't a spoiler

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think but for those of you that have seen that pull-in Wolverine or haven't seen it

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_02]: there was a really one of the there's a quick scene in that movie where you see a snippet of

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_02]: the statue that was in multiverse of madness so there was a lot of speculation coming out of that

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: movie there's so much speculation coming out of the movie because that there's so many things

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_02]: against the wall that they're slowly trying to rethread wanted back into this but there was the walk-up

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_02]: scene do you remember this pen to when they were they were doing their walk-in talk which I

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_02]: hope in some of them are fashion they show because they must have just been walking down the street

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_02]: where herb said to her she or no she's like is she dead and he said oh she most certainly is dead

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_02]: and then she says back to him something like like you never know and then she went that

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and I was like yeah like what are they doing to me here like is she alive or is she dead

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_07]: so anyways I we're talking about magic there's not the same role and I just I

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I anyways I so coming back to that first the first like half of this episode it so well done because

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I have a feeling because now the more we're talking about it I'm kind of talking through it

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of want to watch it again because I think there's more to it than meets the eye yeah

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_07]: if I think after after we get a couple more episodes down the road that we're going to start to see

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_07]: some of these details become relevant yes like already you know the the Jane Doe body had black

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_07]: fingertips right Wanda when she did magic her fingers turned black and I'm so did Agatha

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_07]: this when she was at Agatha and and then we see the kid has dark like ink on his fingertips but

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_07]: is it ink or is it from magic we don't know yet and you know the book the dark hold and then

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_07]: she finds you know the librarian says we have lots of copies of this book in natural sciences and then

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_07]: there it's like somebody like laser beam through that section of the library right there's a

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_07]: like what the heck like what it's like nope all the copies have been burned which of course is

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_07]: what happened in multiverse of madness and and the dark hold so just a little background of

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_07]: the dark hold it's a book of of magical spells that is so powerful the spells are so powerful

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_07]: that it the book takes over most users and you have to be an incredibly powerful magic user

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_07]: to use the dark hold and not become possessed by it so Wanda is an incredibly powerful

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_07]: user of magic she has chaos magic whatever that means and she's able to control the dark hold

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_07]: Agatha was able to control the dark hold after centuries of developing her power yeah the fact

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_07]: that Wanda can control it at like 26 years old is like a little insulting to other witches but whatever

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_07]: and in agents of shield they come across the dark hold and it has various plot lines where the

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_07]: dark hold like enables AI to like take over people's minds and stuff it's intense okay you just

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_07]: watched one division again did Agatha have the dark hold and want to stole it from her or did

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Agatha tell her about the dark hold and then Wanda went and found it I believe she had

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_07]: she told her about it she told her about it yeah and in that last scene we see that that Wanda

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_02]: has found it and she's reading yes yes yeah that's what we see at the end she leaves to and

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I perceptually you think that she's gone she's gone to find it ironically enough in eastern Europe

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_02]: where they found her I so yeah so I I'm trying to think there was the scene in

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_02]: a condo vision where they were in the basement and if that book was anywhere it would have been

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_02]: in the basement and they the rooms are in the basement and I cannot I can't for the life of me I

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_02]: wouldn't have to rewatch that there there were there was some things in that basement I can't

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_02]: believe the book was though because yeah I think that had Wanda had the dark hold book which I think

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_02]: helps explain a little bit of the chaos magic I think that she maybe didn't wouldn't need to know

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_02]: what she was trying to find out from Wanda which is how she was able to use magic the way

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_02]: that she was using it right and she ultimately felt it's just Wanda has an instinctive control over

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_07]: this magic and she it's like going the other way around right like Agatha and most which is study

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_07]: and practice and study and practice and develop their power slowly over decades and decades and

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Wanda had innate ability had power thrust upon her by the scientific experiments that were

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_07]: done on her and her brother and then she just wields power and she doesn't know all the history behind

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_07]: it she doesn't know actual witchcraft so it's um it must be so infuriating for a witch who's taken

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_07]: like 200 years to develop power to meet this like child who's way more powerful than you

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: to be like oh well like it was just given to you the power of that brief scene in Wanda vision where

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_02]: we get to see a little bit of the backstack ag at this backstory where her coven led by what I believe

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_02]: to be her mother or maybe the the leader of the coven or both which were seven of them by the way

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I went back and watched the there were seven streams but we'll get to that in a second um

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_02]: the whole point of that was to talk about her not understanding how to use the power

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_02]: and you know that was 1693 right so so she had spent three centuries trying to

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_02]: develop her magic and then out of nowhere there is a you know a witch who not only is using a

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_02]: lot of magic but is literally has has created a town with multiple plots as she called it

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_02]: in Wanda vision uh and that she just couldn't understand even while she was living quote unquote next

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_02]: to her as as Agnus in a story that was well told and in some ways that all got completely wiped

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_02]: away as she's in this town not remembering anything and of course not having any magic

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_02]: and you know watching this show where she literally doesn't use magic at all not even for a little bit

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_02]: the only people we get to see use magic actually just real yeah not uh well the the teenager kid

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_02]: does something contain chance yes he's chanting while they're

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_02]: while we think there are the interrogation room and it turns out he was just locked in her closet

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_07]: I love her voice and then her delivery of so not so much in a rest as a kid

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_07]: okay like just and then the realization wait if you're real that means and that can

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_07]: real like you know attacks it full our brief plaza complete camp darkness they have that amazing fight

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_07]: and that's where the sexual tension really comes out because of real has these great lines like

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_07]: oh you want to be in control you can be in control and it's like that's not about magic that's

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_07]: something something sexy and and how about the you and between them you prefer me and then she

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_02]: goes horizontal and then quickly follows it up in a grave and then I was like did she mean horizontal

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_02]: in a grave or did she was that pause there for a reason and then I was like yeah that's a double on

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_07]: drug if I ever saw one and I don't know if it was written that way or if I'll replace a

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_07]: put that spin on it but I love that it's there it's fantastic and the feeling between them like I

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_07]: said buffy and faith it's this it's this frenemies kind of dynamic where you get the sense that

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_07]: they know each other they like agatists like you like this and and reo's like you want that

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_07]: know each other and and that she was like you want me to be formidable you want me to have

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_07]: my power back and reo is like okay but hurry up because other people are going to kill you too

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_07]: like she was right reo does prefer her with her power yes like she doesn't want to defeat a helpless

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_07]: agatha she wants to defeat full bore ad if uh and does she so in then I have questions about

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_02]: what does she want to do well does she want to do that I there were a couple of weird little quotes I

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_02]: mean there's a lot left hanging you know we they introduce characters better for just going to

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_02]: focus on reo and agatha you know they're so and again she talks about she kind of randomly mentions

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_02]: um east view which I thought was interesting and it didn't really click for me until

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_02]: watching the credit scenes there was one little bit where they showed Dorothy and the monkeys

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_02]: from was in the credits scene and then I was like was that like and I don't again I don't

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_02]: know where the show is going but I I thought maybe the west view and east view maybe the

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_02]: wicked witch of the west and maybe yeah maybe there's so much that yeah maybe there's a little

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_02]: play there I couldn't quite figure that out but I you know I had the line um she is most certainly

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_07]: dead or however that line was that's a pull from wizard about okay okay that's a wizard of us

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_07]: line that was very intentional and and so there's definitely going to be some wizard of our

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_07]: references and the the sort of mythology in in the awes stories is that the wicked witch of the

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_07]: west and the wicked witch of the east are sisters but also rivals yes and that at one point they were

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_07]: friends with Glinda and then they were on opposite sides from Glinda um I've always had an issue

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_07]: with Glinda like since I was a kid and I saw wizard of us the first time I was like you

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_07]: had the power all along what a be were like I just I was like that's just mean you're just mean

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_07]: I was like you put yourself in a pretty pink princess dress with a crown and you float around

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_07]: above all that is mean you're good like your actions and your words tell me if you're good not

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_07]: you're like pretty face and I I did theater when I was a kid and I don't really have any

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_07]: interest in acting for real anymore but the one role I have always wanted to play is the wicked

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_07]: witch of the west because I I feel this like kinship with her like Dorothy drops a house on

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_07]: sister and steals a family heirloom like of course the wicked witch of the west has to like go after her

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_07]: that's like what other choice does she have and everyone's and there's also this I have this issue

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_07]: with like pretty people are good ugly people are bad like come on that's not how the world works

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_07]: like you shouldn't assume that if somebody looks pretty that they are a good person

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_07]: well you shouldn't assume that if somebody looks ugly that they are a bad person like that's not

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_02]: true well it's just how movies make it that's sure that's your you just said drop a house

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_02]: and I told you forgot about that part and then of course wow the the parallels now is we're talking

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_02]: this out then I hadn't thought of because of course a house gets dropped on

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Wanda yeah well yeah so and I as you as we're talking and I'm sitting here trying to figure out

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_02]: who the antagonist is and who the protagonist is I'm not sure we've met

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_02]: the antagonist yet I mean I think they want us right now thinking it's real but I think the

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_02]: activity between the two is probably going to be at play and of course they mentioned the seven what was

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_07]: it the Salem 7 which I assume is the witches that agatist old power from

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_02]: during the Salem witch trial days so I assume that there were seven there but

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_02]: and who knows what they're going to do I did a little bit of research on the common for

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_02]: comic book version of it I don't I am actually not going to share that here because I do feel like

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_02]: there could be some spoilery pieces to that we'll probably talk about Nicholas scratch here

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_02]: in a little bit but yeah you know she again another one of those things that threw me in that

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_02]: first like 40 30 minutes was when she looked into her sons bedroom yeah and she's all sad

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_07]: which again this is another total trope from those detective shows is there's always like some

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_07]: tragic loss usually of a child in the detective's backstory and so it's it's a perfectly preserved

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_07]: child's bedroom right with like a teddy bear on the bed and there's a wards and of course she's

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_07]: a witch so the wallpaper's all like celestial symbols but it looks at first glance it looks like a

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_07]: room but then you're like no there's like witchy stuff in there too well and do you remember the name of

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_07]: the rabbit mr scratchy or super scratchy so mr i think see your scratchy i think is what she

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_02]: you're scratching yeah so and then I'm like so is was it her son and is her son the rabbit or did

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_07]: she name this yeah so yeah in the comics she has a son named Nicholas scratch right and so

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if the rabbit is named for the son or if her son has been turned into that rabbit

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_02]: like i don't think we know that well in yeah if you go back to wand division

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that it's her son because if you remember that one scene the rabbit is like sitting on a

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_02]: shelf and she's like playing with uh like a fly or it's disobeyed uh or something like that

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_02]: she turns it into a bird and then takes the bird and turns it back into the cicada and throws it

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_02]: to mr scratchy who then eats it so i think there's probably more to see nors scratchy

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah and I also feel like if you're if your son were turned into a rabbit you wouldn't call it

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_07]: seeing her or anything right you the name would still be it would be nicky yeah not seeing

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_07]: or scratchy so it's some other it's but it's connected it's definitely connected in some way

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_07]: because the son was named Nicholas scratch and then in the delusion the son is clearly dead

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_07]: and she's preserved his childhood bedroom perfectly which is a thing that people do on TV all the

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_07]: time and I'm always like don't you need that space? like when i moved out to go to college my

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_07]: brothers were moving into my room like in my way as I was trying to move out i was like can you

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_07]: wait until I actually leave the house and they're like my bed's gonna go here i was like get out

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_07]: until I'm actually out yes scratch Nicholas scratch and there were like very little kids style drawings

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_07]: and i don't remember now and i didn't write it down what was the award for it was like

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_07]: was it singing? i can't remember i didn't write it down i think it was something musical

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_02]: i think that yeah we'll have to there was a lot to take in in that room for sure

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_02]: the pictures that we're sitting right on the table and then right next to it there were a couple of

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_02]: i feel like there was an award and then there was like uh there was a newspaper article sitting there

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_02]: and they're just stuff everywhere it's one of those things that as we go through the series it

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_02]: might be worth coming back to because i don't think you put that scene into episode one without

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_02]: it coming back like you mentioned there's so many things that are gonna come back it's like

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_07]: a whole room of checkoffs gun yeah right it's like all of this is gonna mean something at

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_02]: some point and and it'll make sense there's so many gaps in her life i mean actually her whole

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_02]: life we know nothing about her other than yeah her fake persona in wand division and then

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_02]: her perceived real persona at the end of that when she's trying to steal um the power away from

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_02]: wand and and so all and now we're given this trope of you know another TV show in this trope

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_02]: of a dead son that we didn't know anything about and i was like we would know about the son and

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_02]: i'm like I guess we wouldn't and then i'm like no where the heck is Ralph i was so hoping yeah

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_02]: you know i was i was like where's he at i want to see him i hope he shows up i hope he shows up

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_07]: that would be really fantastic and we're referring to Evan Peters who was in the wand division

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_07]: show as he was cast as wand as dead brother but he was actually some like i don't know like

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_07]: drifter he was literally just the guy who lived in that house yeah and agatha had moved in to just

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_07]: be like i'm gonna make this by house so i'm next door to wand and i can spy on her i so it's still

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_07]: his house so maybe he'll show up i don't or i there has to be there has to be some connection

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_02]: like that but wouldn't it be funny if instead of him being there what's uh who played quick

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_07]: oh Aaron um uh the guy who was actually wand as brother yes he would be pretty of he lived there

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_07]: i yeah so so many things they could do okay so we do meet there's a bunch of returning characters

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_07]: from wand division we see miss is heart played by davor joe rup dotty played by mcawfield

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_07]: jones who does i don't know if that's his first name or his last name that's all i have

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_07]: David langle uh he's the police chief character and the one who like couldn't stop looking at

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_07]: naked agatha that was funny uh he starts walking i just realized it's wife is like come with me

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_07]: what are you doing was the the neighbor who's constantly working on his flowers and his

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_07]: edges and he was the the detective at the crime scene david a paten is the actor and norm played

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_07]: by as if allie who was the jeweler and then the jogger all of these people were in several episodes

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_07]: along division in these same characters so i was excited to see them again i was like oh i'm so

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_07]: glad that like we're getting these people back i i love these some of these actors are

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_07]: our favorites of mine like davor joe rup is one of the funniest people she's amazing working in

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_07]: Hollywood she's so good and mcawfield i have learned a lot about her since buffy that she's just

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_07]: a lovely human being and i'm just happy to see her i'm like oh Emma i like i'm so glad you're getting

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_07]: work like i i know that like people like working with you and you're like a nice person i'm so glad

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_07]: you're here it's like an old friend or something it's crazy and she really she does um it's kind

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_02]: of funny just the different roles in the short amounts of time that she's had in both those series

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_02]: how she has portrayed like four different versions versions of the same human

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_02]: from dotty the like boss of of the whole neighborhood to her real persona which was Sarah

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_02]: being like mortify that she would never get to see her child again we actually get to see her

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_02]: child and not only that but she's married to jones who actually think that's his first name because

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_02]: his last name was different as the chief um he's he's very famous now he's in a Miller light

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_02]: commercial screaming in the background like it is both instead of taste greater less filling

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_02]: oh that's funny that's where i i was like i know that guy i think it was an accrucial but um

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_02]: i am a coffield is and then she's the librarian who is just pissed that agatha is even like she's

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_02]: you could tell she wherever she's doing this she's just like i cannot believe i'm going through

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_02]: with this yes it's over there there's lots more next and yeah oh my god you use that line at the

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_07]: supermarket like oh you can't just walk to the front of the line whenever you feel like it and

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_07]: this is like only suckers wait their turn um i uh i'm a real rule follower in life and whenever

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_07]: people just walk to the front of a line it makes me insane and uh when she did that i was like yeah

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_07]: if i was the librarian i would be like go back to the back of the law like that would have made me mad

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_02]: i and now in hindsight knowing that that all of these people are just kind of putting up with her

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_02]: and who knows what their fears are and why they were doing it because obviously she who shall not be

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_02]: named um is her mentioned uh it's just sort of funny that for three years they've been playing this

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_07]: little dance with agness yeah i mean i guess from their perspective they don't they probably

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_07]: don't know that agness has this other identity is also a witch so they just think she's a victim

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_07]: of wonders and they're like oh we all got our lives back but apparently she didn't we should

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_07]: make sure she's got food and stuff like they're just nice people and and agnes is you know she's

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_07]: insane and it's such a funny contrast that that she's like this this centuries old witch

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_07]: in this like whatever town in New Jersey and and the people have been like being nice to her

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_07]: but i loved it the jogger guy especially when he's like starts jogging toward her he sees her naked

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_07]: and he like jogs bad like i'm having a break done as opposed to something is going down

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_02]: i don't know who tells his daughter she's like get her inside and then he starts walking towards

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_02]: one before i'm a coffee comes in grabs and back i i it's really cool i've always you know you

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_02]: want to talk about different levels of a multiverse like this is kind of a fun little multiverse

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_02]: of just kind of in sip and sip and bliss because these characters get to play a whole different

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_02]: series because they got to play all of those weird like silly sit-up and so i don't

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_02]: get the impression maybe we'll see some more of these characters going forward but

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_07]: i'm glad thank you cast some of these people without having something for them to do

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah i think does i do know i do know that we're gonna see a lot more of divergeo rock yeah

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: and i think she of all of the characters she's the one who i'm most interested in seeing

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_02]: we didn't get to see a lot of her in one division i think she was only in the first or second

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_02]: episode yeah so it'll be fun to see her her role kind of grow as the series goes

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_02]: and i hope we see a lot more of him a coffee of as well like i i mean obviously we're biased

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_07]: love her she's great okay the teenager let's talk about the teenager so i have when i've

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_02]: so many questions yeah i was just so many questions why we don't know his name why don't we know his name

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_07]: i would be like why don't we it's clearly gonna be something he's someone that that when his name is

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_07]: finally revealed it's gonna mean something to us and i have a theory about who he is um i know the internet

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_02]: has uh something really is there's a yeah okay yeah i yeah so either right now or at some

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_02]: point you need to spoil that theory because i i was watching and when i saw the fingers i thought

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_02]: oh oh wait they did it on user what's that yeah magic user yes and then i if he's going to be

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_02]: major player in the show i thought i can't imagine this is just some random kid and then i started

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_07]: trying uh i'll tell you i'll spoil it right now the theory spoiled that he he is some multi-verse version

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_07]: of one of one does kids so she has the two boys Billy and Tommy and uh one of them takes

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_07]: after her and one of them takes after her brother and has so one has super speed one has magic

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_07]: and and the magic one is i think Billy right Tommy's the fast one Billy is the magic one so

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_07]: he this would be Billy and his magic name is wickin so i think that two he is so there he is the

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_07]: wickin the version who was in one division or he's from another universe or something else i don't know

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_02]: but i think he's one just in the comics uh do these kids i i i know i've read something about this

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_02]: some point like back when i was watching one division the first time do these kids ever

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_02]: may in a fast in the comics i don't know this story okay so yeah i don't know this whole story but

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_07]: i've i've done enough sort of like wickipedia and comic book resources and those kind of like

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_07]: summary type websites to know that there are comic runs where her sons are alive and she

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_07]: others them and they grow up and they have their own power well it's so so the reason why this

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_02]: would be a big deal is obviously it's it would be weird okay so a couple reasons um i would assume

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_02]: then we might get it the other brother right it sounds like and then if you bring back the brothers

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_02]: and there's a show called vision quest coming then one can only surmise that this might be

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_02]: my show up there too this might be and if they show up there then maybe might actually have

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_02]: a happy ending for a character that people are really pissed off didn't get a happy ending yeah

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_07]: and also you know their mcu is doing this like young Avengers thing oh and

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_07]: well it's against with fit and beautifully with that yeah that would you know they could

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_07]: team up with mismarvel and whatever Kate Bishop superhero name is and um uh america

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_07]: from from uh doctor's strange multiple of madness and like there's a whole there's a whole group

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_07]: of these younger iron heart and um uh maybe even the new black panther like there's a whole

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_02]: bunch of young whether it's the new black panther or the the black panther son um who still at this

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_02]: point I think too young to be black panther I think that would be a fun little of you fun yeah and

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_02]: and and I think a direction that would be a lot of fun if you do it right uh a show that i think

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_02]: the one thing that marvel comics has done really well uh over the years is find new versions of

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_02]: old staples and by that i mean groups um and you know the new mutants when i was a kid you know

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_02]: came out right after the first marvel superhero seater wars with a lot of youngsters and some

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_02]: of those youngsters have gone on to become major characters it would be a lot of fun to see um in

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_02]: one of these next phases to see some of these younger characters have some some leg room uh to grow

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_02]: in MCU and i think i think the uh those kids uh rewatching the series those kids were absolutely

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_02]: wonderful to watch like they totally uh carry the weight of a show where there were a lot of people

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_02]: carrying a lot of weight so so yeah this kid looks so much like um that other kid the only thing

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_02]: that i was hesitant was like okay so where's the brother and i know the brother isn't magical but

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_02]: i don't think they would bring one in without the other so that's the only hesitation i have

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_02]: and the avan Peter's thing i cannot get out of my head so they do like to throw something in

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_02]: front of you and make you think it's one thing and it turns out to be another so something else so i

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_02]: guess there really isn't a spoiler there because that's i but i'm so happy that that's what the

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_02]: internet is saying because the black finger the minute i saw the black fingers and it first when

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_02]: i watched it he said oh it's ink on my fingers and i was like okay and then i was like the second time

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah i was like the second time i watched it i'm like okay down gym like that's not like that's not what they were

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_07]: so yeah that's magic blackness yeah it's um it's pretty it's pretty cool um i think that we

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_07]: start to know more about him in episode two and um i think that actor is quite charming he has a really

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_07]: nice presence so far on screen so i'm looking forward to spending time with him i think he's

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_07]: very different from Catherine Han and so like i don't want any of these characters to be like

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_07]: many me's of each other so i want hit those two to clash a little bit and have contrast i want

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Rio and agathetic clash i want you know i know these other actors that are going to be in it like patty

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_07]: lapone and um Sasha's a beer like i can only imagine how though all of those characters chemistry is

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_07]: on a inter mix and clash and contrast and um there's nothing more disappointing than when

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_07]: there's a show and you're like these characters you could just switch the lines in between them

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_07]: they're interchangeable like they're you know who cares which one of them said what i don't think

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_07]: that's going to happen here these are distinct different personalities they have different goals and needs

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_07]: i i have a lot of faith in this writer because one division the first couple episodes of

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_07]: one division i was like what am i watching and it's weird and it's slow and then it got faster and

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_07]: better and faster and then once you get to like episode five or six suddenly episode one and two

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_07]: pop back in your head and you're like oh and they're better yeah yeah well and it's worth it that's

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_02]: you know having just rewatched it having already seen it so the yeah you see those first two

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_02]: episodes again very sit calm lengthy there you know 30 minutes in length on Disney but you know

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_02]: with a six or eight minutes of credits it literally was a 22 to 23 minute episode they were done

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_02]: like like 60 sitcoms and they were done so that very frivolous it seemed very frivolous but it was

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_02]: you didn't get a whole lot of other you know like there was really nothing else going on

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_02]: but the minute you start like episode three and episode four when you start realizing oh there is an

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_02]: outside to this and then wait why is there an outside and then the wait starts to build as you start

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_02]: to realize who all these other characters are and what's actually happening that's definitively

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_02]: but that's hard to pull off and wand of division did that very well so it does feel like

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I will say this about that young man he to sit across the table from Katherine Han is and you know

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not you know I'm not trying to press upon the world that Katherine Han is she's a fabulous actress

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_02]: and I think she's just I don't know how she's flown under the radar for as long as she has as far as

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_02]: being you know she's she's I think she's in her 50s now she was talking the other night

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_02]: on Jimmy Fallon about how her oldest son is a senior in high school and about ready to go

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_02]: up to college so I just assume she's around my age so like she has been so good and so many

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_02]: different things as we mentioned in the pre-show it's hard to imagine that she's flown under the radar

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_02]: but to watch her across from this kid that kids boots had to be shaken he just hasn't been in a lot of

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_02]: stuff and he holds his own yeah I mean you can you can be like like the like the two kids who

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_02]: played one of the sons and and and one division every scene they're with Paul Betney with

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_02]: with Katherine Han and they hold their own so to get fast and a role like this like you know

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_02]: you're going to get his first scene his first scene is getting tackled by Katherine Han or getting hit

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_02]: by a car from that 70s show actress and then getting thrown into a interrogation room or her closet

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_02]: depending on which version of the delusion you're in and then sitting across from you know a

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_02]: scene stealer and having a great couple of moments where you realize that his character has weight

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_02]: that's hard to do which really gets me excited about this show because we haven't really seen

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_07]: a lot of them in cast yet yeah there's more there's so many more people to meet and knowing who the

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_07]: actors are I'm like I'm just dying to get to know their characters because it's such a fascinating

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_07]: collection of personalities outside of the character so like what's it gonna be like when they're

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_07]: on screen together one of my other things I wanted to talk about is the aesthetics of the show

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_07]: you know so far we've seen a really high quality of production value you know the the mimicry

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_07]: of the of the small town murder mystery show was spot on right it was beautiful the music

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_07]: the so the opening music the opening song is a song called Ballet of the Witches and I know

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_07]: for a fact that it's gonna play a role as the show goes on is that a real song that they create

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_07]: that song for this series it's created for the okay because I and there's going to be different versions of it

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_07]: okay okay because you know of course they did it already released two versions on like Spotify

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_02]: and I'm using two different versions because I almost searched it because it reminded me of

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_02]: the theme to justify and a show that I saw yeah and I thought it also was a little reminiscent

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_07]: of the true blood theme yeah oh yes absolutely yeah yeah so this was this one was performed

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_07]: by someone named Matthew Mayfield and I went and tried to listen to his other music in my computer

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_07]: crashed and I never came back to it but I am gonna look it up and listen to some of his other

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_07]: music because I really liked his version so which is the not I they did not listen to the other version

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_07]: okay oh I listen to the the other version it's the the one we're gonna hear in episode two

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_07]: oh very different it's the same song but very different and that same song the ballet of the Witches song

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_07]: she is humming it in the car the crime scene because that's like play like a slow so because

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_02]: finishes humming it and then they continue playing it like a violin like a string section version

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_02]: of it almost an orc orcasual version of it plays she stops and is the car kind of pulls over like

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_02]: you can hear it continue to play oh that's this thing see I didn't know that was the same song

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_02]: because it's sound oh but it sounded completely different because we haven't seen the real

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_07]: oh yeah how cool there's gonna be a bunch of different versions of that song I think and

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_07]: I've already heard too at plus the humming and the background music version so it's it's an

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_07]: important song for the show and I thought that the that the Matthew Mayfield version was really

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_07]: cool and I really liked it and so of course I listened to the other version that was available in Spotify

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_07]: and I was like it's even better so yeah and you'll see one of our listener comments is about

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_07]: the song oh and that was yeah it's great that's great I thought the opening credits of episode one

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_07]: which are very close to the mayor of Easttown credits were beautiful and so well realized

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_07]: but the closing credits the closing credits are amazing yeah but all the images of witches

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_07]: like from pop culture and actual history and medieval art and you know movies there was like

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_07]: through the bulk from the craft there was like the witch from snow just me the white was there

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_07]: there were all these different things the witches that do the paddleboard like heaven meet up in

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_07]: by Donovan and that was a great it's unlike seven of my playlists I just it's got such a catchy

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_07]: rhythm to it and when I was I was I went on Apple Music and I was just looking

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_07]: I was trying to confirm who the song was by Donovan and I found a Lana Del Rey cover of it and it's

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_02]: awesome it's awesome so that's a song there's been a lot of versions of that song the original version

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_02]: which is the one that they played in the episode was fantastic I will tell you that the

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't have enough time to like really live through them but kind of one of the opening

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_02]: ballies is that famous witch trial painting by George H. Walker that that I've seen a million times

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_02]: but the weaving of that with the snow white witch wizard of Oz not the witch which is what

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_02]: really confused me Lisa from the Simpsons portraying her witch I noticed too and also like excerpts

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_02]: from books about modern witchcraft yeah which I feel like we probably need to go back and pause and read

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_02]: there was um the tarot cards in the form of the what's the star called the

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_02]: pentaclip. Yeah they're so I feel like that might have been important but I don't know anything

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_02]: about tarot cards which means if anybody's listening and knows a little bit maybe go back and pause

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_02]: it on that screen because maybe that's some first shadowing I just feel like the brilliance of

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_02]: the wand of vision like closing credits and then there was a moment two in the closing credits that

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_02]: had like the look like you were watching it on a tube tv which I think was in homage to wand of

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_02]: and then of course at the tail end we find out that this the whole episode was modeled off

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_02]: of the Dutch version of the killing yeah so so it was like this was the Dutch version

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_02]: of wand of Izzy O. or something like that that's like the holy crap how brilliant is this so

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_02]: but I I love that this show as you talked about the song and me watching it just the second time

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_02]: catching little bits and pieces of it and that whole first like I said 30 minutes where

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_02]: they're mimicking their beast town which really hides a lot of a backstory I think that this

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_02]: is going to be an episode that we go back and watch even if it's just the credit though but

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_02]: and then the opening credits too um they paid such a special attention to the police tape

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_02]: there was the one thing that's like standing in my mind is that one that's like going up a path

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_02]: with like the police tape right down the middle um yeah yeah I feel like that stuff's going to come back

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah and we're going to be like oh wait you remember from the opening credits so

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_07]: I agree with you that we're going to come back to episode one like I think a couple episodes

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_07]: from now we're going to have to rewatch episode one again and be like oh this is coming back

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_07]: that's coming back and this was relevant and um I I think this is going to be a show that holds

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_07]: up well to repeat it doing yes it's going to be one of those shows where every time you watch it

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_07]: you get new stuff 100% I mean that's what one division has been for me I've watched it like four

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_07]: or five times through and I've waited like a bunch of time in between each rewatch and then gone

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_07]: back to it and been like oh there's a whole other like thing I didn't notice before and and

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_07]: that or that I didn't appreciate the first time through and this is the same show runner you know

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_07]: this is a woman who has proven herself to be clever to be met uh to be self-referential

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_07]: to be respectful and loving of the source material which is something I really appreciate.

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: She, her interviews the passion for the people that she got to direct and who got to

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_02]: help her film this is very reverential. It's lovely it's um and it and one of the

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_02]: favorite questions that I had that people asked her was um I can't remember what interview it

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: was it might have just been a random interview but someone asked her like how frustrating was it

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_02]: to have Marvel come like barreling into the middle of the show and say you have to do this

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: and you have to do that and she was like uh that never happened she's like we did our show

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: and then what Kevin Feige would do would come and look at parts of the show and would say okay

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and then they would go off. He most of his input happened pre-show and she's like it had no impact

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: on the story that she wanted to tell at all and that for somebody who's watched the weight of the

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: MCU um which I love I mean you know being a comic book person like finding those little Easter eggs

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: has been fantastic but the weight of four or five phases whatever we're in now and trying to tie

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: everything together uh is great in a lot of ways but it also can take away from the storytelling and

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: it does feel like um if you liked one division the storytelling of one division that felt like a

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: lot of threads coming together um it does feel like we have a lot of that but it also makes me want to

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: watch um it doesn't make me want to watch Dr. Strange too again because I do feel like this is going to

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: enhance that viewing for me. I liked it I didn't love it I liked it I didn't like it maybe because of

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_02]: how it ended um you know I think I'm with a lot of people who wants to see that character

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_02]: want to specifically like have a better closure because of uh there's usually mentioned in the pre-show

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_02]: that she definitely has had you know I think a lot of these up these shows these two shows

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: in particular they deal a lot with um grief um and lots and I feel like and this is where you know

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Sam would be awesome on one of these shows just to kind of talk about that but I think that um

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I would like to see a character who's dealt with so much have a love story that has the type of

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: that she had to watch her brother die she had to watch her parents die she had to watch her lover die

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and then she had to kill her lover and then watch her die and and her grief you know it's horrible

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: as it was like I think we can all understand her grief and that screen grief that chaos grief that

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: that made Westview what it is for this show um I think it's something that I hope we get to explore again

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: and it'll be interesting because um trying to figure out who Agatha is she's got to find her power

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: and then we've got to find out you know what kind of character this is in this back story that she has

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: with uh specifically with Rio but I think there's a lot more backstory of a lot of actors and

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: actresses we've yet to see that I'm really looking forward to seeing so I just I um gosh I feel like

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm safe I only know 25% of the first episode I have to watch second episode though so

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't seen that yet but um because now I just want to see it for the song

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah the song is so good and it's like the the the the second version of the song is so good

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_07]: so good so we learn a couple of things magic rules and the episode there's one port where Agatha says

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Rio you can't kill me it's not loud allowed by who no idea how is that enforced no idea

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_07]: but I'm fascinated yes another point Rio is like if you want my powers just take them and Agatha says

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_07]: you know it would kill me like oh what does that mean why would it kill her like that's interesting

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_07]: I got to know more Agatha says let me get my purple back and I'm like oh so purple isn't just

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_07]: her favorite color it has some kind of meaning yeah magically well and if you remember her

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: cover was blue yeah and she is purple so and of course uh one that's color with

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_02]: one that's red is that red color so so yeah now yeah colors being something we haven't seen

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: what color that um Rio is as a witch so we've still got to look forward to that which now

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm kind of excited about yeah that's really cool there's open questions there's that broach

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_07]: that she finds was that the same broach that she had on I believe it was that she was wearing

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_07]: at the end of the one division and it's yeah maiden mother prone which is you know in a lot of

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_07]: wicked tradition that's so three phases of the female goddess and I loved her line there's no

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_07]: professional working goddess like uh like because people like me who are not a maiden or a mother

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_07]: and aren't quite yet a grown like where's my role but anyway um but there's a lock of hair inside it

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_07]: who's hair is that who's hair is inside the locket I want to know uh what happened to want

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_07]: this house because Agnes' house was next door to one to house is one to house still there

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: well remember so so imagine so remember yeah her house was just a foundation that vision had bought

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_02]: and then she built the house with her magic and then it wasn't there so is there not like I didn't

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_07]: see at least they didn't show like an empty lot or anything so I'm like as the house there is it

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_07]: out there I don't know it's just a open question um and the and the and the niki thing like

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_07]: where is niki is he a dead kid is he an abandoned kid like was he never a kid is it a delusion

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: we don't know yet and when was he a kid why does Agnes still look like she did in 1693

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_02]: and when she doesn't age I assume magically she doesn't age and so what his he could be a kid at any point

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_07]: we have 300 years that's how long right 1720 1830 like when did she have this kid

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_07]: I want to know well so there's all these open mystery questions what is her backstory with Rio

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_07]: why did they hate each other but also seem to want to have sex with each other I don't know

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_02]: could the magic boy be her son oh that's also possible he could be niki oh dear

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_07]: that would be that would be wild that would be wild oh my god I'm gonna have to think about that for a little while

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_02]: because that would that would be the twist right if the internet's talking about him being Billy but there is no

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Tommy the twist would then be that she eventually finds out that he's like a manifestation of her son

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_02]: what happened that would be amazing I don't yeah I'm sorry I'm just thinking aloud like the

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_02]: darn it honey I want to be up until 4 in the morning now watching the first two episodes back

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_02]: of back so this is why this show I hope that it finds an avenue for people to watch it because

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I could see regular Marvel people who know all the main characters who have seen all the MCU movies

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_02]: and just don't look at this character they look at this character to be similar to like

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_02]: a Jessica Jones another series that I think was spectacular with a spectacular female lead

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_02]: who really was kind of a bit player in the comics um yeah I just want this show I mean because there's

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_07]: so many more questions like what happened to Ralph yeah I wanted to find an audience I have a feeling

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_07]: that it's going to be like wandivision was where I remember when wandivision came out the first

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_07]: couple of episodes like diehard fans were watching it people like me who were like yeah a show

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_07]: that it has a female lead we're watching it and then around episode four all of the people who are

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_07]: watching it were like it's way better than you think it is you need to watch it and then like the rest

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_07]: of the fandom jumped on board yeah and I bet that's gonna happen here too is that there's going to be like

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_07]: of people watching it um I know a lot of our podcast family are watching I've already like

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_07]: heard from people that are like yeah I've already watched the first episode like I'll send a feedback

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_07]: and they didn't but they were and um and I think that a lot of diehard marble fans are going to

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_07]: watch it I think that marvelous done a good job in the last like I don't know five years or so

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_07]: of really advancing the female characters and as a you know woman nerd I really appreciate that

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_07]: because for years and years and years there was this myth that like women lead movies don't make

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_07]: money no one will go see it people don't like women lead movies and then you know women lead

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_07]: movies have had to prove over and over and over again like Barbie everyone was like Barbie did so

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_07]: much money I was like what did you think was gonna happen like yes of course it did and I think

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_07]: that female lead shows like this where the character is she's not 20 she's not blonde you know

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_07]: she's not she's not like a you know a bimbo she's like complicated she's smart she's dark she's like

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_07]: at least our age maybe well we know the characters like 300 years old so like it's just

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_07]: it's richer it's a it's a deeper story and I think it's the future yeah well I'm hoping it's

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_02]: not about that kind of stuff they this well I mean you know the funny thing is is I mean seriously

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: penny this character comes pouring out of her house start naked um we get a full on but scene

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_02]: and the funny thing about it is it definitely so much wasn't the point that the site I didn't

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_02]: notice I knew she was naked obviously um but I didn't notice how naked she was in a Disney show

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_02]: this isn't new I mean we've seen the words but yeah but this is the first female bear bottom

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_07]: in the Marvel universe oh okay um so that but I found breaking the whole scene was done so well

[01:12:12] [SPEAKER_07]: because we were just trying to wrap yeah it wasn't titillating it wasn't exploitative it was very

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_07]: much believable that in that moment she would be naked and that as a 300 year old powerful witch

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_07]: she would not care about being naked that she would be like like the guy gives her her gives her

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_07]: like a shirt and she just throws it on the ground and I'm like yeah she doesn't want your shirt

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_02]: she's standing there she's standing there naked and I think herb says not this exact quote but

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_02]: something like well since you seem actually incredibly lucid right now and I was like

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_02]: just so we're clear she's naked in front of you and yeah but it seemed you seem lucid and he's doing

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_07]: that adorable thing where he's holding his hands like I'm trying to respectfully not scare

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_07]: at your breasts but they are right in front of me um he looks just amazingly awesomely uncomfortable

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_02]: which is the way it should have been portrayed as opposed to Joe who was trying to walk closer

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: but I yeah that was so well done and it was done respectfully um respectively it fit very much

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: into the show and and I feel like I read somewhere and I tried to pour so much into that but

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: that was something that Katherine Han wanted to do that it wasn't originally. Yeah the new scene

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_07]: was her idea she was like she should be naked in the scene and then they talked about it and they

[01:13:46] [SPEAKER_07]: were like yeah we can make that work um oh but yeah okay it's an attribute you're just laughing

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_07]: it's in the notes yeah yeah so yeah yeah it's so funny I saw listeners I had a trivia section

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_07]: written up in the agenda but we've actually gone through all the trivia already it's all come up

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: so uh we're gonna skip trivia this week. I do have a couple of notes though real quick um I love that

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_02]: they just kind of offhandedly through a couple of moments where as Rio was leaving she was saying

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Spanish to her and what she was saying she she was walking past her and she said and I again I don't

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: know if this is anything more than just what it is but she was saying um to Veio which means I see you

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: which I thought was interesting she said it twice on the way out uh the first time it looked like

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: wanted to understand her and the second time it looked like she did which I thought was interesting

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_02]: and then the only other thing that I wanted to mention was uh and again this just shows you

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: the type of attention to detail that um that I didn't really realize until I was actually mentioning

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_02]: to you uh that outside of all of the places I live are small little crics and as I said that the

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: second time when I was talking about the crick that's right outside my house here I realized that

[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_02]: she said crick yeah talking about and if you watched um crime scene yeah so she said the crime scene

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_02]: if you I always watch things um using close captioning and it came up creak and I just remember

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: the first time I watched I was like oh that's a really good detail because that's exactly how

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_02]: people would say and and um because they were definitively trying to catch that certain theme

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: and I just that's one little piece of how deep the show is and and I think that they did a

[01:15:43] [SPEAKER_02]: really nice job of throwing the layers in without really trying to smack us in the face but making

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_02]: us want for more wanting for more for the fact that I'm now gonna have to watch this a third time

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_02]: because there's just so many layers um that I've not looked at hopefully some of the some of the

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: notes that we're gonna read here in a second um bring up some of those two because this is going

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_02]: to be one of those shows where I feel like in the coming episodes people who call in police

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_02]: call in police uh send us emails and stuff I think that we're gonna find a lot more out from

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_07]: the awesome people who listen to our show yeah um the one thing that uh we haven't talked about that

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_07]: I wanted to talk about is the scene when uh in the coroner's office when Rio says to Agnes claw your way

[01:16:27] [SPEAKER_07]: and Agnes she's clearly uncomfortable earlier in the episode she has sort of claw like rubbed

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_07]: dead or neck and pulled at her collar and in that scene she just starts pulling off layers of clothes

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_07]: and then how we're not feeling about this the different versions of herself from one division

[01:16:44] [SPEAKER_07]: there's the 80s of robics outfit with the giant perm and the headband and the leg warmers

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_07]: and there's the 70s like rota from the married to her the more show version and then there's like

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_02]: the Malcolm in the middle with the uh with uh with uh with uh with uh with uh with uh like filthy or something

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_07]: on her butt uh you know uh nasty or something like that and uh and then finally the black and white

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_07]: version right she turns black and white with the like perfectly co-authed hair and that's the one

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_07]: that she finally burst free from and when she peels that identity off then she wakes up in the sunny

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_07]: modern day naked moment and I thought that was so beautifully realized the idea that that she was

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_07]: buried under layers of false personas and that she had to get three of all of them and just the

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_07]: metaphor of pulling off like sweater after sweater after sweater i thought it was beautifully realized

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: i'd love to it and she handled it so well um if that was a movie theater scene when she

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_02]: when she pulled into that black and white version of herself that is the version that i always see in

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_02]: my head when we talk about her in one division uh that would have been the popping moment and then

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_02]: of course followed by the levity of her um pulling off all of her clothes and that the realization

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_02]: of who she is uh and in the fact that her neighbors actually liked her yeah what's nice twist and

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_02]: if they're if they're trying to turn her persona from from being uh evil perceptively in one

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_02]: division to at least curiously potentially the protagonist of this this series i think they're doing

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: a really nice job of unpealing uh to pull out an old cliché metaphor of unpealing an onion because

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: we're getting to see a whole lot of layers and one up this is one episode yes this is one of the

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_07]: we've basically covered as much as we can with the first episode and uh we should

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_07]: move on and listen to some or read some listener feedback and um and then you and i can both

[01:19:01] [SPEAKER_07]: go and watch episode two and uh start getting ready for our next episode of the podcast it's the

[01:19:08] [SPEAKER_07]: same thing i do on cast of the rings um we got screeners from amazon prime and so we had

[01:19:14] [SPEAKER_07]: episodes one through seven delivered all at once and so every time we would record an episode

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_07]: both an and an i were like off to watch the next one like immediately like hit end on the recording

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_07]: start watching the next episode because like we're dying to know what happened um they don't give

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_07]: anyone the screener for episode eight which is the finale so we will watch that with everyone else

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_07]: but um i have seen episode seven i know what happens next and and uh i had friends uh here this

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_07]: weekend who were like tell us what happened and so it was like no i've been literally firmly

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_07]: and not spoiling things so um i know what happened so this Wednesday night or Thursday morning

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_07]: when you watch rings the power i already know what's coming okay let's get into some listener feedback

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_07]: I'll read the first one right we heard from our good friend Becky Fanner Anderson i had asked

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_07]: in addition to what are your thoughts on the show i said who are your favorite fictional witches

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_07]: and so Becky said favorites are feedy piper and proof from charm and i love them also

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_02]: so much i we talked about charm but we didn't get the side note to charm yeah one of the

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_02]: first things that um agatha says to wanda is uh literally an episode one they walk up and she says

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_02]: her or i think wanda says this to her she goes wanda charmed and i was like oh that's

[01:20:46] [SPEAKER_02]: nice um that's awesome just one of those i i wrote that down to specifically mentioned for you

[01:20:52] [SPEAKER_02]: and then forgot about it so thank you Becky for hearing that in there because uh that brought

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_02]: that memory back so Brad says Brad Holt says um these first two episodes were great fun

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_02]: loved the maravis town homage at the beginning to funny definitely agree obviously through me

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_02]: for a loop uh great performances of production values looking forward to the next seven episodes

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_02]: and parentheses and wondering when the misto speculation will begin because

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_02]: who did they think was ma fisto oh maybe it was agatha someone they thought who do they think was

[01:21:28] [SPEAKER_02]: a fisto in the in one of us yeah there was a lot of a fisto speculation but i can't remember

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_07]: now specifically what i can't remember either so i'll have to look it up and we'll know for next

[01:21:38] [SPEAKER_07]: time yes uh lyria willy swing says my favorite witch is in filament and tv nancy downs from the craft

[01:21:47] [SPEAKER_07]: jadis the white witch especially till the swanids performance in the line the witch in the wardrobe

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah fantastic Helen Mirren's Morgan Hogan X caliber that's some that's a deep cut wow

[01:21:59] [SPEAKER_07]: mommy fortuna in the last unicorn and of course our omega level witch one to match them

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_02]: for sure pick allen pick one of our one of my favorite podcasters at podcastica so good just a

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: lot of fun enjoying the rapport between agatha and quote unquote teen and that um down the witch's

[01:22:21] [SPEAKER_02]: song will need to be officially released and in my playlist a s a p and take good news um it is absolutely

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_02]: two versions are available which i've got i didn't look up because i would have then heard the second one

[01:22:36] [SPEAKER_07]: which i kind of think is yeah you'll hear it first in the episode which is a good all right yeah it's on at

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_07]: least ap it's on iTunes and on Spotify and Spotify has like all kinds of music it's got a whole

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_07]: playlist of i think it's both songs that are used in the show it's the instrumental music

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_07]: that's on the show and also i think it's some just like inspired by witchiness song that around

[01:23:01] [SPEAKER_07]: that playlist oh oh my contraris says i watched one division when it first aired back before i

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_07]: started watching other marvell movies or shows so i obviously did not remember too much as i

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_07]: was a bit lost at first but the show sucked me in and i enjoyed these first two episodes

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_07]: it does help a bit that i love witches and i right to assume that want to look at agatha's powers

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_07]: yes and toss during some other dimension of the multiverse no not exactly but put her under a spell

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_07]: i'm intrigued and look forward to tuning into the cast i hope that um i'd let you listen to our

[01:23:40] [SPEAKER_07]: preview episode and that filled in a lot of that stuff for you but if you have more questions

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: so no more way yeah for sure oh yeah i didn't want to be so excited about this voice mail

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_07]: we got a voice mail from anwin my cohost on cast of the rings and her lovely kiwi accent

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_00]: hello agatha all a long cast oh my goodness i watched the first episode last night and

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_00]: absolutely loved it i really enjoyed watching a catch-up video on youtube just about all of the background

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_00]: we need to know for watching agatha all along and that was really helpful to bring me up to speed

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_00]: just absolutely loved it i love the pacing and i love the theme of it her being not knowing who she

[01:24:23] [SPEAKER_00]: is and just being in this town and being this detective was fantastic and the reveal was amazing

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: absolutely loved the her going through all of her different characters from wonder vision until

[01:24:36] [SPEAKER_00]: she finally stripped off all of the layers and becomes herself again that was absolutely brilliant

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_00]: so well conceived so well done on screen and really set me up for thinking this episode is going

[01:24:47] [SPEAKER_00]: to be the season it's going to be really really cool um quite like darker i guess than what we've seen

[01:24:53] [SPEAKER_00]: so far and i'm ready for it uh your question of the which the witchy question of the week

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_00]: question of the week question of the witch who is your favourite fictional witch my favourite

[01:25:05] [SPEAKER_00]: fictional witch absolutely has to be well-o from buffy the vampire slayer i can't go past her and

[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_00]: if anyone has not yet seen season six of that show oh my goodness you'll see why i absolutely

[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_00]: adore her um hope that you have a good chat about this episode and i'll be with you throughout

[01:25:23] [SPEAKER_07]: thank you so much bye bye and when thank you so much always good to hear for you and uh like i said

[01:25:31] [SPEAKER_07]: she's my co-host on cast of the rings she's absolutely brilliant and such a lovely human being i love

[01:25:38] [SPEAKER_02]: i think that it's interesting to say watch season six you are going to adore her i think that first of

[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_07]: all listening to and when say that that's pretty good i buy yeah and adore will yes uh before

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_02]: you'd for my seasons and i guess yeah so or just hang out hang out with uh the the still sling

[01:26:01] [SPEAKER_02]: podcast and we'll take you on the journey over there yeah all right that's

[01:26:08] [SPEAKER_07]: our show for this episode next time as episode two circle sewn with fate unlock thy hidden gate

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_02]: very catchy very abominable if you want to join the conversation you can email our send

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[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_02]: or of course you can just find us at podcast.com check out all of the places um there are

[01:26:38] [SPEAKER_07]: guest Facebook page always has a lot of fun side chatter going on about shows news in the sort of

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_07]: nerd verse you know what movies are coming up what shows are interesting who's watching what there's

[01:26:51] [SPEAKER_02]: still a lot of chat back and forth in a land of un safety where people just sort of say things

[01:26:58] [SPEAKER_02]: to not be nice and um i cannot tell you how much being a part of this crew has been i mean i

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_02]: sort of out a part of it for 14 years listening to it for 12 of those years and then

[01:27:12] [SPEAKER_02]: dipping my toes finally into the Facebook page and ultimately into the zeth had group uh i cannot

[01:27:17] [SPEAKER_02]: think of even a moment where uh we weren't just a group of friends not only agreeing with things but

[01:27:25] [SPEAKER_02]: disagreeing and it's a wonderful place to be so uh give it a shot different toes very i first very

[01:27:30] [SPEAKER_07]: welcoming uh people from all over the world are members of the zeth group and people are really

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_07]: respectful of each other's opinions it's a really it's a great community and i recommend joining

[01:27:43] [SPEAKER_07]: it for sure uh the information to join the zeth group which is the page re on sort of echelon

[01:27:49] [SPEAKER_07]: of the podcast community is linked in the show notes um thank you everybody for listening to us

[01:27:58] [SPEAKER_02]: and until next time i'm penny and i'm Jim get with you with it it's it's really hard for me not to

[01:28:08] [SPEAKER_02]: do that and do some rapping