12: “Whack-a-Mole” and “The Taste of Human Blood“ (S2E3&4)

[00:00:00] Hmm? Ah! Hmm. Hmm. Yeah, alright. So, uh, what's your situation, good buddy? Eh, still being ridden. One mile marker at a time. I drive a rig, suits my meditative nature. I see. So, sort of a poet-philosopher situation, huh? I've been called worse. So, what's your location? I guess I'm finding myself at a place that feels like an ending, but it's still the middle. Kind of stymied.

[00:00:33] Oh, yes, but where does one begin when they're looking at a blank slate the size of a country? Not sure what the stakes are here. Well, here's what I know. Everyone has a highway. The thing they're good at. You know, the thing that defines them. Because there is no destination. There is only the highway. If we open our perception and trust and humble ourselves

[00:00:59] and find sanctuary when we need it, that highway will find us. I gotta pay the water bill. So, signing off for now. But, hey, you can get me on this channel most any time. Okay?

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[00:01:49] And I'm Becky. A podcast dedicated to the Peacock original show, Poker Face. This episode, we're covering Poker Face Season 2, Episode 3, Whack-A-Mole, directed by Miguel Artela. And Episode 4, The Taste of Human Blood, directed by Lucky McKee. Both episodes were written by Rian Johnson, Wyatt Kane, and Teah Ho.

[00:02:19] Overall, we're a third of the way through the season, which is like that happened fast. How are you guys liking the show this season? Yeah, I love these two. Both of these episodes brought me so much joy. I really... All of the episodes have been really, really good. But this Episode 3 probably is my favorite that we've seen thus far. Interesting. I didn't love Episode 3.

[00:02:49] I liked Episode 4, though. I thought it was a really goofy, wacky premise, but they made it work. Mandy, what do you think so far? You're loving it? Well, I love the show. I just think it's so much smarter and also manages to be hilariously funny. We talked about that last week, how it works on so many different levels than most of the other shows on TV. It's funny, I'm surprised that Becky thought number three was the best one so far. Because we're usually...

[00:03:17] Like, we joke all the time that we share the same brain. And I didn't hate it. But it wasn't... It was... Out of the four they've shown, that was my least favorite. Yeah, me too. But honestly, low bar though. I mean, a high bar because... I don't know if it's a low bar or a high bar. Either way, I'm inclined to love this show. And I can tell you like a million things I loved about that episode. It just... Of the four, it's not my favorite. Yeah. Well, let's get into it then. Becky, why don't you read us the synopsis for Whack-A-Mole?

[00:03:47] Kidnapped by Beatrix Hasp, Charlie is tasked with finding the rat in Hasp's crime family. Or is it the mole? Meanwhile... Or the weasel. Or the rat. Or the snake. Or the snake. That's one of my notes is all the names they managed to work in for the word traitor was brilliant. Wow. Meanwhile, Hasp is working a mole inside the FBI.

[00:04:12] Charlie's old friend Luca returns in this monumental episode that sees a possible big change in Charlie's life. And that last sentence is why this one was my favorite of them all. I found it really interesting that they made that big change, but we'll get to that. Let's start with our moments to die for. Mandy, what's yours? I think... I have... Like last week, I have several written down.

[00:04:41] But I think... My favorite was probably one of the more subtle jokes in the entire episode. But it was when, God bless sweet little Richard Kind, I love that man in anything he's in. The actor that played her husband. And when he thought that she was bringing him real cobbler to eat. Oh yeah. Yeah. And then he's like, oh yeah, my espadrilles are falling apart. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:05:11] When he didn't know that a cobbler was mafia slang for a forger. And he thought this whole time that Rick Perlman was out getting him a cobbler to eat. And he was so disappointed. We found out it was just Charlie Kale. With his hotel iron made paninis there. I have done that so many times. I used to travel and open new restaurants. And sometimes she just wanted a grilled cheese.

[00:05:38] And so we would use the iron. I've never done that. That's hilarious. The fact that he literally was... I love that character. He's probably my favorite in the entire episode. He definitely is my favorite in the whole episode. And the fact that he basically is Ratatouille. Yeah. It was just hysterical. I loved that. I thought that was so... He was adorable. I loved him as an actor. I've been enjoying him for a long time.

[00:06:06] And he was the most likable character of anybody. Oh, for sure. Sure. And I wish more people knew who Richard Kind was. Because I have a friend whose son looks exactly like him. And every time I tell her who it is, she just goes in one ear and out the other. He's a character actor, right? Yeah. And so he plays a lot of side characters and quirky characters. You know, smaller parts, supporting roles.

[00:06:33] And so I bet when you show a picture, people are like, oh, that guy. That's exactly what it is. Yeah. But it's so underwhelming every time I'm like, he looks just like a redneck, boot scootin' Richard Kind. Somehow I'm a half Mexican, redneck Richard Kind. And then I'm like, oh yeah, that guy. I've probably seen him in some stuff. I just don't feel like he gets it. It's just lost on them. Yes. Becky, what was your moment to die for?

[00:07:02] My moment to die for is when Sack is talking about the family tree being pruned a bit. And the FBI agent starts talking about his Japanese maple, which is 100% me. Because I love a Japanese maple. And I have two in our yard.

[00:07:23] One is Mrs. Maisel, Mrs. Maple and the marvelous Mrs. Maple and Mr. Maple after the marvelous Mrs. Maisel TV show. That's hilarious. And then he, he's talking about how his neighbors saying it's too close to the retaining wall, but he spoke with two separate arborists and they say it's not. And he is right. Japanese maples can be placed close to a house or a wall.

[00:07:51] And then Sack says, all right, Jesus, new metaphor before Johnny Appleseed here creams his trousers. I rewound that three times. Like that's epic. It's so ridiculous. I, I love Japanese maples as well. I think they're exceptionally beautiful. And at one point later in the episode, that same guy like distracts from the, you know, raid going on. And he's like, you know what?

[00:08:18] I found an invasive species or whatever it was. He was so excited about finding it. And he had a picture of it on his phone. I was like, I don't think he should work for the FBI. No, he should definitely be working at Lowe's in the gardening department. Yeah. Which is, would to me be an amazing job. There were like three or four times that he was being distracted by cute plants that he saw. Yeah. That was pretty funny right now. Yeah. Just not cut out for FBI work. Definitely.

[00:08:47] That was not the most crack crew though. I don't think they sent their crack crew. No. After Beatrice asked. Well, what is it Lucas says in the episode when they're trying to describe. Oh, that they have some serious flaws in their hiring process? Yeah. We're all typical white guys. We have, we have some flaws in our hiring process. Yeah. Oh, so good.

[00:09:10] So my, my moment to die for is towards the end when Charlie is, you know, dramatically leaning in a way that looks really uncomfortable against the plane to have a vape, but she looked stylish. And John Mulaney's character, whose name is what Danny is like, Hey, Hey guy, whatever. Come here. Can I talk to you? And then he's like face out, like we're browsing. And that made no sense. And the look on her face was like, all right, like weirdo.

[00:09:36] And then he offers her 16,000, then $22,000, then $125,000 to, to make Luca be the mole or say that Luca is the mole. And then the way that she just sort of turns that back around on him and is like, that's how you went about this. Like you're such a moron and walks away from him. It just made me so happy. Cause there are so many times when I watch a negotiation on TV and I'm like, what they started there. And then their second offer was that.

[00:10:06] And I'm like, this just doesn't make any sense. And it, when he said 16 and then 22, I thought to myself, where is he getting these numbers? And then she's like, where are you getting these numbers? It just made me happy. Um, also the idea that he had over time accumulated so much money from being a mole inside the FBI, that he had $125,000 in cash that he could give her. Like, that's a lot of money. Yeah. Well, I imagine it pays well to be a weasel. An FBI mole.

[00:10:36] Yeah. Weasel is another good word. Yeah. It better be worth it to earn that ulcer that has him chugging milk. Oh God. When he poured that cup of half and half. Oh my, it made my stomach hurt so bad. Straight back to my memo. She was always chugging, not, not the half and half. That's disgusting. But she was always chugging milk for her ulcer. And I meant to Google if that even works. I don't think it does. I read somewhere that it doesn't. It doesn't.

[00:11:03] It's been, it's been, I believe it is one of those, what are they called? Home, home remedies. Homeopathic. It's supposed to be said that, I will tell you that when I have heartburn, if I drink milk, it helps. It helps soothe the, the, the burn. But I don't think it works for an ulcer. Yeah, but I don't think it works for an ulcer. Ulcers are, they found out that ulcers are like, they're not just caused by stress and stomach acid. There's a virus involved as well.

[00:11:33] So it might help with some of the symptoms, but it's long term, not going to do any good at all. Um, the bigger problem is that milk is really hard for human adults to digest. So who knows like what other problems it's causing to be drinking like half gallons of, of whole milk, like glug, glug, glug, like that was so gross. Yeah. Maybe that's probably what he stresses. He's got to get to a bathroom really quick at any given time. Yeah. At any moment. That's intolerant.

[00:12:00] Oh, in New York City, whenever you buy a beverage at any like bodega of any kind, they give you the beverage in a paper bag and they give you a straw. Like every single time you buy a Snapple, a soda, whatever. One time I bought a quart of half and half and they gave me it in paper bag with a straw. And the whole way home, I just was like on the subway, like contemplating the straw. Should I do it? Like, like, would I ever drink half and half with a straw? Like, I was just, I was just thinking about it.

[00:12:30] It was like a 25 minute subway ride where I was just like, a straw. He gave me a straw. Now I know it's probably just like muscle memory. But at, you know, at the time I was like, did he think I was going to drink the half and half? Like, well, the better question is who came in and bought half and half and said, can I get a straw with that? So that's all, you know, I'd look at warning labels on things. It's like, what idiot did? Oh yeah. Whenever it's like, don't put this in your mouth.

[00:13:00] It's like, who would put that in there? Oh, that someone did it. Yeah. That that's what I'm thinking is. Or like signs in public places that say things like don't throw electronic appliances in the pool. You're like, who threw an appliance into the pool? Well, I think the next episode that we're going to cover floor where they really get into Florida man. I think that is largely the answer sometimes. Yeah, that's true. That is true.

[00:13:29] Well, let's get into the main parts of the episode and talk about sort of our major points. Before we do that though, back to John Mulaney and his, and those terrible negotiating skills. I don't know if you guys are big John Mulaney fans. I am. Yeah, I have been. I love that guy. Uh, was I a little disappointed when he went through his fairly recent divorce and it turned out he wasn't such a wife guy after all? Yes.

[00:13:56] Yeah. But you know, shame on me for buying into, I I'm too old to really believe. Apparently he was like high as a kite through all of those standup specials where we fell in love with him. That's what I was laughing about with the negotiating thing. Cause it made me think about the last special he did where he came clean about how he really was not nearly as squeaky clean and all of that and got more real about stuff. And he talked about his intervention that led him to go.

[00:14:22] And he like lost, I want to say it was something like $16,000 in a day. He was negotiating, like trying to give people his watch and things like that. So that that's just what it reminded me of is like, yeah, how much did that hit home for, for John Mulaney? I think having him play the mole and you know, have, he has that baby face still. Yeah. And I think that was a meta moment where he was like, Oh, I'll play someone who you think is a good guy.

[00:14:52] Who's actually a bad guy because that's, he's sort of embraced that persona in his comedy career. Yeah. Um, Oh, I think he looks like he's aged 15 years in the last three or four years, which is fine. You know, he certainly doesn't look like in his earlier standup specials. He looked like he was like 17. Yeah. He has a joke where he says like, I used to be an addict. And then he says, I know I, or he says I used to be a blackout drunk. And then he says, I know I don't look like I used to be anything. Yeah.

[00:15:21] Like he's like 12 years old, but he definitely looks like a man in his late thirties now. But I agree with you. I think this is a strategic thing where he's like, you know what? I'm gonna embrace the freedom to like take on roles that aren't Mr. Nice Guy anymore. Yeah. He did a good job. Yeah. His standup specials are very funny for listeners who haven't seen them. I recommend just, just do a Google John Mulaney and, and watch some of his specials or listen to some of his comedy albums. They're really funny.

[00:15:49] He had a short lived sitcom. I think it was called the John Mulaney show. And it, I didn't like it. I really wanted to like it too. I was like, Oh, I'm so excited that John Mulaney. He's such a good writer. He's so funny. So clever. I can't wait to watch the show. And then I was like, I hate every minute of this. I never saw it. I know that he talked about having one, but I don't know how I just missed that. It wasn't on for very long. It was like eight episodes. I can look it up. Yeah.

[00:16:15] Um, I just thought it was corny and it didn't work, but, uh, I do like his standup, his, his, uh, diner story about, um, what's up pussy cat. And, um, it's not unusual. Uh, on the jukebox is a particular favorite of mine of his various routines. Yeah. That's so funny. All right. All right. Becky looks like she's bored. So we'll move on to our main points. That's just my face, Benny. Yeah. Oh, that's your face.

[00:16:42] Um, uh, resting board face. Yes. That's my, I'm talking to Mandy face. Yeah. So, uh, Becky, why don't you start us off on, on bigger points?

[00:17:45] Mm. Mm. It's a very Charlie Kale move to just like blunt, bluntly and directly ask the question rather than try to tease it out. Why not?

[00:18:33] Yeah. They fill in the blanks. It was, it was. All right. Bigger points. Uh, my first, it was a slightly different structure than what we usually get.

[00:19:03] I love. Like usually what we get is, uh, we see a crime segment with, you know, we see a murderer, a crime and then going in to identify them all. We see the events and from Charlie's perspective, like the same timeline. So, you know, Beatrix has got her at gunpoint and she's got her little catchy one-liners that she's doing a great job. Um, and then, uh, when they walk in and he introduces her to her husband and he says,

[00:19:32] Oh, I don't know much, much about the scrap metal business. Um, and then he's joking. He knows his life's in the mafia. I thought that was very funny. Then she says, uh, Beatrix tells her that she's dealing with some of the most deadly people in the world in that other room. So she has to play it so cool. And she walks in and basically just sits down and it's like, so which one of y'all do any of y'all work for the feds? And I'm like, no.

[00:20:02] And she's like, all right. And she just gets up and it's like, all good. I love, I thought that was, that whole segment was great. And then I have one other line that she says. Um, but I think it's when they're, they get to the airfield or she says, I've already pissed

[00:20:32] myself five times today and I still little something. Oh, it's when she wants to go to the bathroom, um, in the hotel. She said, I've already pissed myself five times today. It's still a little something left in the tank, but they did. I love the back and forth, how we see. Like they do every episode, we see. Bits and pieces of what happened. And then as it goes along. We get the remainder of the story. I thought they did always do a great job.

[00:21:01] And it really stood out this episode.

[00:21:43] And, uh, in this one, like we started right off the bat with Charlie, you know, we're with her in the car when, um, Beatrix has her gun to her head and, and we follow her and then they jump around to different perspectives. Yeah. But I really liked it. Yeah. It was just a, it was a slightly different format from all the other episodes, except for like the, you know, the season, the series premiere and, you know, the, the

[00:22:11] season one finale were also a little different, but most of the time we get this other pattern. I think it flowed well nicely based on what as much as that happened in that episode and how many different people were involved in it. I think they did a great job giving little hints here and there. And yeah, the flashback when they go to the convenience store and, you know, we see her walk out with a can and she finds the note.

[00:22:39] But when they went back to show the actual conversation and he just basically told her what was in the note, you were the worst. Yeah. Like what was the point of the note? He's the worst fed ever. And also shrimp flavored Vienna sausage. I will never recover. I'm going to be honest. I'm trying it. Becky, that's disgusting. I don't want to know that about you. You made me eat rabbit. That's, that's right. And I would eat 17 rabbits.

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[00:24:09] Tier one compensation provided. Investing involves risk. Acorns Advisors LLC, an SEC registered investment advisor. View important disclosures at acorns.com slash affirmations. Oh, see, I love Vienna sausage. I don't know. No, never. I can't. It's not something I eat on a regular basis, but every now and then, like a can of potted meat or deviled ham, I just give me... Mm-mm.

[00:24:34] Becky, if you are not an 18-month-old baby or a 95-year-old man, you have no excuse for putting that in your mouth. I... How do you know I'm not? Um, I... I do like knowing this about you, Becky, because I have for a very long time wanted to have a party with the theme of trash food and just have only things at the party that, like, most people would not eat on a normal basis. Oh, I'd be going to town. And it would be good to know that someone would eat the Vienna sausages that I will certainly

[00:25:02] serve at my trash food party. It's going to be things like those snowballs, you know, those, like, hostess... You mean the worst of the hostess products? I don't like the coconut. Yeah, those would be at the trash food party and, like, jello mold with, like, gross fruit in it. Throw some beanie weenies in there, Becky. Yes! My husband's... Yeah. My mother-in-law makes this jello thing where it's got... Oh, my God. She makes it every year for Christmas.

[00:25:31] And it's like... It doesn't have... It's got pineapple and it's lime jello. And then she puts, like, crushed walnuts on top. Oh, my God. It is so good. No, wait a minute. Are you talking about Formosa or, like, whatever, where it's not a jello mold? It's, like, whipped cream with lime jello packaging mixed in or pistachio packaging? Yeah, I like that stuff, but... The bottom layer is jello.

[00:26:02] Mmm. Yeah, I don't know about that. Yeah, that's nasty. It's a texture thing. Listeners, what foods do you think are gross? Or would you have tried the Vienna sausages? Let us know. The shrimp-flavored... Shrimp-flavored. ...Vienna sausages. Yeah, they're not just the Vienna sausages. Yeah, so gross.

[00:26:47] Mandy, what's your first point? I don't know. It was kind of hard to, like, really... I just kind of take notes as the whole thing goes along. I guess the first thought that I had just right off the bat, and actually this is foreshadowing a little bit, but Becky, are you psychic? Because between both of these shows, going back to last week's episode, when you were talking about things that you wanted to see for the future, both of these episodes had

[00:27:17] something that you had... One of the, like, the next episode, and I'll save it for that, like, truly stunning. Yeah. Because I know you don't watch previews, so you had no idea that that was coming up. But with this one... Oh, I know! I know what it is! Yeah. Yeah. But this one, you had said you wanted to see more of Simon Helberg's character, Luca, and there he is. There he was. I was so excited when he showed up on screen. And then, like, they almost immediately have him appear to be killed. Like, I was like, Luca's back!

[00:27:47] Luca's dead! Yeah. Like, it really freaked me out. And then, you know, when they went to the next version of the timeline and we got to see that he was shot with blanks, it was such a relief. Yeah, I saw that coming. But they knew he was a fan favorite. I was like, I just... I wasn't ready for him to show up, and then I wasn't ready for him to get killed. Like, the whole thing upset me. And afterward, I was like, ah, you know, fool me once. Like, I'll be looking for that the next time. You know? Like, I'll be ready.

[00:28:15] I was pretty sure he was coming back because he is such a fan favorite. And, you know, they have like this back and forth going on. I could see them kind of carrying that out for a while. But I was like you. I was a little bit like, at this show, you really don't know. Yeah. Like, he totally could have been the guy that got killed and that the whole story was about her trying to get justice for him. But yeah, I'm glad that they didn't do that. Something else I'd like to go over is that this isn't really...

[00:28:43] The FBI's entire plan was really stupid. So was Beatrice. Yeah. Like, everybody's plan in this was so full of holes. There were so many ways it could have gone bad. People could have gotten killed. You know, like, you know, Luca telling Richard Kind... What was the character's name? Does anybody know? Jeffrey? Jeffrey. Jeffrey. Telling Jeffrey to take off running and he was going to pretend to shoot him. I mean, you got eight mobsters at your back. Yeah.

[00:29:12] There are so many people that could have... And he did get shot. Right! Like, it didn't work out. Right. It was not a good plan. Like, I mean, it was the interesting... Although it was hilarious. It was hilarious when he was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And I was like, that's probably how I would have felt in that moment too. But I tend to be a freezer rather than a runner. So... Right. Yeah. So I don't... Yeah, I agree with you. I probably, in that situation, I probably would have frozen up. But either way, not a great plan. No.

[00:29:40] Really seemed like it was very risky and destined to get somebody killed. I knew he wasn't. And then after the shooting, all the FBI agents are like, what's happening? Are we shooting or not? Yeah. What's going on? Hold your thought. Who was in charge of this messed up operation? I knew that Richard death was not real. I was like, there's no way Luca... Had anybody else shot him, I would have bought it. But as soon as it was Luca that shot him and in the back, when he had no weapon, I was like, that's...

[00:30:09] There's something up with that. Yeah, I figured something had to be up. But yeah, just a bad plan. And then the last thing I really want to go over is that I really want to make sure that we give some proper credit to the fact that he literally was ratatouille. Yeah. When you look at Luca's screensaver for him, it is a rat that is a cook. Yeah. And the fact that he is a rat who is a cook is just hysterical. Yeah. I thought that was hilariously funny.

[00:30:38] Just the way that he basically was. Oh, and then he was also the iron chef. Yeah. So that was another pun that they successfully pulled off here. So... Multi-layered. Yeah. I like a good multi-layered pun. So I wanted to make sure we gave credit for that. Yeah. I enjoy those too. I was excited to see Chris Bauer. He played the FBI like boss guy. He was in Thunder. I just watched him in Thunderbolts. Yeah, he was in Thunderbolts. I know him best from a show that I think is underappreciated.

[00:31:08] So I'm going to plug it. It's called For All Mankind. It's on Apple TV. It's brilliant. It's an alternate history where the Soviet Union landed on the moon first. And it alters the space race between the US and the Soviet Union going forward. So the show starts in the late 60s. And he plays like a NASA like muckety muck. Um, and, uh, and an astronaut. And he's great in it.

[00:31:34] But also I just wanted to plug for all mankind because it's a brilliant show and it's fantastic. And I want more people to watch it. Uh, they've had four seasons. There's a fifth season coming. Every season jumps a decade. So it's been, it starts in the late 60s, early 70s, and then you get the 80s and the 90s. And then there, I guess, season five will be sort of the 2020s. So that'll be interesting. I'll have to check that out. It's so good. It's super feminist.

[00:32:04] Um, I wanted to just talk a little bit since we started talking about it about the difference between a mole and a rat and a snake and a weasel. And, um, I did a little like just a little sort of Google searching and, and reading of, of urban dictionary and Wikipedia and all these things. And, uh, a mole is generally considered to be someone who has been sent undercover in order to spy, like, like a plant.

[00:32:29] Um, and a rat is someone who is in an organization already and who spills secrets in order to save themselves. I think a snake is indicative of anytime anyone betrays someone. It's not necessarily just about giving information. Like mole and rat are about secret information, but snake is just about like betraying someone or being two faced. And I don't know what weasel connotes.

[00:32:59] I don't know. What do you guys think? I think, uh, John Mulaney's character was a weasel. Yeah. Yeah. He might've also been an mole, but he was also a weasel. I kind of. I think weasel and snake are nebulous. Yeah. I was going to say, I kind of feel like weasel and snake are very, very similar. It's like, a moral not to be trusted. I also found him creepy. I thought the musicals thing was weird. Are either a few Sondheim fans? I'm not a musicals person. No.

[00:33:28] I'm not a musicals person, but I thought that whole conceit was very funny. And what it actually reminded me of is that there is this fake documentary series called Documentary Now that comes on the independent film channel that he was one of the major writers and producers for, um, uh, who else is on that show? Uh, who was the guy? Why can I never think of this man's name? He was married to Elizabeth Moss. He was on Saturday Night Live forever.

[00:33:58] Fred Armisen. Fred Armisen and a couple of other guys. They were two of the main ones, but it is. I love documentary now. I could watch it over and over and over again. And that's kind of what it reminded me of. This is giving me good insight into your general sense of humor. I feel like I understand you better now. Uh, yeah. Yeah. I'm like, Oh, that's your sense of humor. Okay. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's very funny stuff.

[00:34:25] And, um, but I feel like there were probably some references or inner inside jokes in the lyrics or the choices of plays that they were talking about with Sondheim and I just didn't get them. Yeah. Same. Yeah. If we have musical theater listeners, like, you know, feel free to write in and tell us what we missed because I was like, there's definitely some kind of joke to what they're quoting there. I think that some of the lyrics were about like a betrayer in a scene.

[00:34:52] I think there was something about betrayal going on in those jokes in those lyrics. But anyway, um, I think part of it also was to establish the general friendship between him and Luca and how they're both kind of these nebbish nerdy kind of guys. Basic white guys. Yeah. Right. And they just have this, this vibe, this friendship together. So it was kind of like they were having the same conversation in two different cars.

[00:35:19] And I think it just kind of went to establish what a betrayal it would be when it turned out to be. Like when they were singing together. And then later when Luca was like, when Danny was trying to get Luca to like, share your burden with me, I'll help you. And then he starts singing to him. It was so awkward and uncomfortable. And, and I was like, I just think two grown adults quietly singing lyrics back and forth

[00:35:46] to each other in an office is weird under almost any circumstances. Like it was just. I got an office with me. I was just sitting here thinking you would not want to work in an office with Mandy and me. Did you guys notice? Did anybody notice not to change the subject too much, but did anybody notice? Did anybody notice the names of the people in Beatrice's organization that were on the court board? No.

[00:36:14] When they were doing the debriefing, I took some screenshots to see if I could, because some of them are pretty funny. Like it, one of them is Lorenzo has, which has got a big X on it. So I'm assuming that's probably Beatrice's Beatrice's dad, but then there's Jimmy easy breezy has. I think he was her brother. And then you've got Francisco Esposito, Vincent Vino the Bambino has, Antonio Tony ice cream Rossi.

[00:36:42] And then, uh, what was another Gino no knees. And then you can't see his last name. So yeah, those were funny. Oh God, that's good. I think that there's probably a bunch of jokes that are happening in the backgrounds of some scenes that we're not even noticing sometimes because for sure. That's what I think it seems like everybody on the show, everybody who works on the show puts silly stuff into it. My moment. Yeah. Next episode is something that was is about that background.

[00:37:12] Yeah. Yeah. Um, I, uh, see. So I think that the point of this episode, the reason it happened is to sort of wrap up Charlie's on the run from the mob storyline, right? She, you know, the hit is called off. So it, it changes the whole show, right? The whole show has been about her being on the run and that's why she has to move from town to town and doesn't put on, put down roots and all that stuff.

[00:37:41] And I just am very curious to see, and we see the beginnings of it in episode four, but like, how are they going to keep the show moving and keep Charlie moving around? Is it all going to be this like search for her purpose in the world or are, is she going to end up on the run from someone else? I've just, it's because it's a major mechanism of the show and the way that the narrative is structured.

[00:38:10] I think it's really interesting that they wrapped that plot up. I have a theory about that. Yeah. Oh, interesting. Yeah. I think it's going to be her searching for her, her purpose based on, and so much of that conversation that happens in the next episode, in episode four leads me to that. Yeah. But, uh, I, I just, that was when she was in the, when she, you know, was in the, when

[00:38:39] they told her she was free and she was, she was just like talking with Beatrix about Beatrix said she was looking forward to a fresh, fresh start. And Charlie's just like, huh? Like she finally realized, oh my gosh, that's what I have now. What am I going to do? And I can't tell you how many times in life I have wanted to pull out a map, close my eyes and just point to a spot. And that's where I am. That's where I'm going.

[00:39:08] Like she's, that's interesting. I find that idea terrifying, but that's cause I'm a control freak. So don't be like me. Mandy, what was your, your theory about why they, they ended that plot line? Um, well, one thing I think I'm glad Becky brought that up because one of the moments that I really enjoyed in the show was that she went through a whole gamut of emotions there where initially it was very exciting to her when she realized that she had the entire world open to her.

[00:39:35] But I think she kind of came to where you are at Penny with the whole idea is that she was slightly terrified by it after a few moments. If you watch her face, which I actually resonate with, cause I'm a, like, I love the idea, but when you actually have nothing but time and the open road in front of you, it can be kind of intimidating because I don't know.

[00:40:03] I don't want to bring everything in, in my life and my podcasting life back to mental illness. But I think that I do really well when there are times of crisis because it keeps my brain focused on the task at hand. Right. But when the crisis is over is when I generally have a harder time because then I just have this general existential crisis and nowhere to really focus it on. And I think I saw a little bit of that on her face, which I think is great. I think that's part of what they're going to explore.

[00:40:33] But my theory, I don't think they know how many seasons they're going to get. Right. I think that this is a sleeper hit and I have not done any research on this and I'm not a TV-o-file, so I don't really know what the numbers they did were or whatnot. But I think there's a reason that it took so long for them to get the budget up and be able to pay to have all of the people that they've got coming back to the show.

[00:41:00] And I just don't know that they feel secure that they're going to get more than this next season. And I think they're trying to pivot this towards telling more of the bigger journey of Charlie Cale and not just Charlie Cale on the run from the mob or Charlie Cale on the run from her former boss, but like Charlie Cale trying to figure out who she is and where she wants to end up. Yeah.

[00:41:26] We did have that interesting episode in season one where we met her sister and got a bunch of backstory about her. And I would really enjoy if we could revisit some of that. That would be interesting. I'd love to see him get at least two or three more seasons. You know, I'd like to see what they can, you know, how they can, because I trust them to be able to figure out a way to continue the conceit of moving her around without it having to have the impetus of running from monsters. Yeah.

[00:41:56] And I'd love to be able to see, see more of that, but I don't know that we'll get to be able to see what they can do. I like that they chose to, because what happened in this episode could have very easily been a season finale, but they did it in almost the middle of the season. And I appreciate them for wrapping that up and giving us something else to look at this season other than her running from the mob. That was, I applaud them for that. Yeah.

[00:42:23] I think if it carries off, they do get more than the next season or two. I think eventually something else will put Charlie's life in danger again. And I think if she, if they have any longevity with this series, eventually she'll go back on the run. But I like them exploring this time of like, she's only running from herself really. Yeah. I liked the way you phrased that she's, that she's running from herself. Yeah.

[00:42:50] And that's really interesting because when we first meet her at the beginning of season one, she's got a fairly stable life, but she's also been placed in that life by sort of a paternalistic slash evil mobster. Right. And before that she was itinerant as well. She was traveling around, you know, using her skills to win it at poker. Right. So it kind of seems like she's been running for a really long time and she doesn't know how

[00:43:19] to stop running unless she gets forced to. Yeah. Yeah. And I think as much as she, the idea of a calm, peaceful life appeals to her, I don't think she has a skill set for it yet. No. Yeah. I mean, that's all she's known is. Yeah. So I think that's going to be her journey. Whether it's how to slow down. Mm hmm. Whether it's the end this season, two seasons, three seasons. I think that's what they ultimately want the journey to be. Yeah. Interesting. I like that theory. I had a couple of favorite lines.

[00:43:47] I liked it when Luca said to her, you are so good at my job. Yeah. That was hilarious. And he's not. No. And that later he had, he sort of admits to her that like, if she got killed, his career would tank. Yeah. Like that. He's not just saving, like keeping her alive for her own wellbeing. He's also like, he helped me solve several high profile cases. So I'm going to keep you as a friend. I just, I enjoyed both of those moments.

[00:44:15] And then I also liked when Rhea Perlman said, you want me to rat on my mole like a snake? Yeah. How many of those can we get in one sentence was just delightful. I got one where he was describing Charlie and he's like, you know, genial, inquisitive, voice like a rusty clarinet. Yeah. I feel like people say that about me. I feel like it's. Oh, probably. If we're ready for quotes, man, I got like five. Oh, excellent. I am ready for quotes.

[00:44:44] I got one more. One more thing? One more quote. Okay. When she's there, they're talking through the tiny walkie talkie, the yellow little kid walkie talkies and they're like right behind her. I, that was hilarious. And she says, an area fed in sight. So go forth and flee. Nice knowing you. Yeah.

[00:45:11] I liked the very beginning when she's talking to Beatrix and she's telling her, you know, trying to talk her out of killing her. I don't remember exactly what she said, but Beatrix says, Jesus, you millennials, bitch, bitch, bitch. When, when Jeffrey burned his panini, Charlie says artichokes, the lobsters of vegetables. Yeah. And he goes, I thought we said that. And they kind of are. We are.

[00:45:41] I started thinking about it and you got to peel them back. There's a lot of work. There's so much work. Yeah. Plus they're super expensive. They're fairly exorbitantly expensive. Yeah. Uh, when Beatrix, there were a lot of like cusses that she did that were pretty funny. But then my favorite was agent fuck face, go blow a dog. Yeah. That one was great. Oh, the great Graham Pearlman. And then, oh gosh, there was one more. I thought, did I not write it down?

[00:46:11] While you're looking. Hold on. Uh, when. I found it. Go ahead. Go ahead. When. And it's not really a quote. It's just. When she says she remembered the name of her mole and it was Maverick Matitica. Oh yeah. Oh, and then it turned out that was actually the name that he gave her. Yeah. Yeah. That was. She wasn't lying. He gave her a fake name, but the fact that she took that name because mafioso people, as you pointed out, have ridiculous names.

[00:46:41] She was like, I guess that's his name. Mictiticutty. I don't care. I would question Mictiticutty. Maverick Mictiticutty. Yeah. Ridiculous. That's funny. Ridiculous. There was one other sort of reference thing when Charlie had pronounced that she was rat-free, that Beatrix was rat-free. And then Beatrix is like, how do I know you're not lying about my rat problem?

[00:47:05] Charlie says, oh, well, who watches the watchman type situation, which is a reference to what started out at very many years ago as a Latin quote, I have no idea if I pronounced that correctly, but it means who will guard the guards themselves.

[00:47:24] And it is used in lots of different ways throughout sort of Western literature, but probably the most sort of my favorite use is as the premise for the graphic novel and then movie and then TV show The Watchmen, which by Alan Moore, which I think is. The graphic novel was groundbreaking. The movie was fine.

[00:47:48] The HBO miniseries was forking brilliant and everyone should watch it, in my opinion. But it's all about like sort of the idea and it's kind of relevant in our society today of like, yeah, you can have a police force or a security force or a military guard something, but what do you do about the members of that community that can't be trusted? And how far does it go? How many watchers?

[00:48:18] So you put watchers on the watchers and then you put watchers on those watchers and then do you have watchers on the third set of watchers? And like, yeah, it's a huge question about like, who can you trust? And this show has a lot of these like throwaway little references that kind of remind me of something I love about Buffy the Vampire Slayer and I loved about Gilmore Girls is just the like richness of cultural references and how they're just like tossed off like no big deal.

[00:48:46] The way that like Charlie talks about, you know, philosophy or like last week, the guy with the like second wave feminist book and they're they're just tossed in there as like these little Easter eggs for people who pick them up. But I personally really enjoy them makes me feel like I got my money's worth out of a liberal arts education. Did you ever watch letter Kenny? No, is that like that too? It's a little too Canadian for me.

[00:49:10] I loved it for about half of a season and then it was it you know what honestly, you may love it because you like the Gilmore Girls. It was. It was too much for me. It's exhausting because it's just too rapid fire that it just to me becomes too precious too quick and that's the same way I felt about the Gilmore Girls. But it's basically like a it's a Canadian rednecks if they were written by Shakespeare is really the best way that I can put it.

[00:49:39] That is a very confusing summation and now I really want to watch it and find out what that's all about. It's pretty fun. It's pretty funny. It's just not one of those like I think I was during COVID that I started trying to pick it up and I'm not a great binge watcher. And I glutted myself on about half of the first season. I may have actually made it through the first season and I loved everything about it. But after a while, I was like, okay, that's that's too much. It's too exhausting. Some shows. The same joke every week.

[00:50:06] Some shows binge great and some shows like they fail under a binge because like some of the conceits reveal themselves to be repetitive. If you watch like too close together, you're like, oh, I'm watching the same episode again. Like it's happening. The pattern is is repetitive. But if you let time pass in between episodes, it doesn't bother you the same way. Right. Like I love the the writing on the show. The jokes were top notch.

[00:50:34] I mean, they're so top tier like you really have to be a thinker to get. But it also is one of those shows that works on multiple levels because they are these Canadian rednecks that are constantly getting into fights and just, you know, beating each other up or their neighbors up or, you know, chasing girls or whatever. There's a character on there that will actually there's like a whole hockey team that's Canada. Yeah. So the local hockey team is a big deal in it, in the jokes themselves are hilarious and fresh and new every week.

[00:51:03] But the basic premise of the plot is the same every single week almost. So it just got old after a while, but you should definitely check out a couple of episodes. It's it's definitely worth watching. Hey, anybody got any more fun quotes from episode three? I've got one where Danny, when he's trying to get get out of it by giving her money and he says, you got an offshore account. She says, I don't even have an onshore account.

[00:51:32] That was very much her. Yeah, I don't have any quotes, but I've got two points I want to make. Number one, when John Mulaney and Simon Helberg got into or Danny and Luca got into that fight in the airplane. That was stupidest fight I have ever seen. That was fantastic. That was good. Yeah, the way that they neither one of them, they're these big bad FBI agents and neither one of them can fight, which was probably pretty realistic, but very, very funny.

[00:52:01] And then my last point is that I would kill for that charcuterie board that they were covering at the beginning when they were showing her calling Charlie on the run. Oh, yeah. You did like that pan over of the five families sitting down to that charcuterie spread. Yeah. And like there was like a gorgeous golden roast chicken and like, yeah, I would rat or mole either one. I might even be a snake.

[00:52:31] Just to get in on that charcuterie board. That's hilarious. I'll bet you there were shrimp flavored Vienna sausages. There were no shrimp flavored weenies in that beautiful, expensive charcuterie board. No. Yeah. No meat that came out of a can. No, it wasn't very Italian, you know, mafia. Yeah. Delicious. What's the word? Antipasto. Delicious.

[00:52:58] Just to sum up our thoughts on episode three, then it's John Mulaney funny, even though he turned out not to be as sweet as he used to present himself to be. And canned meat is gross, but Becky would probably eat it. Oh, I will eat it. I have eaten it and I will eat it again. There's no probably about it. That's nasty. That's nasty. But, you know, who am I to judge? I'm sure that I eat things that you think are gross.

[00:53:26] So that is fine. Um, let's move on to episode four, uh, titled the taste of human blood, which before I watched or knew anything about, I was like, Oh, this is right up my alley because I podcast about a vampire show and also a cannibal show. So I know all kinds of things about the taste of human blood.

[00:53:49] And of course that wasn't exactly, this wasn't about humans eating humans, but, um, it did make me feel comfortable to be in the episode with the title. I thought the same thing you did, Penny. I was like, Ooh, we're going to get some kind of like weird vampirey creepy people, but no. Yeah.

[00:54:08] You guys don't watch the previews, but there is an episode coming up that from the, like the coming soon trailer that they put out before this, this season started that I am really, I thought this was going to be that episode. There is one that's coming up. That's got an extra creep factor in it. I won't give you any other hints, but I thought it was going to be this one. It wasn't.

[00:54:33] I was mildly disappointed until I saw Kamil Nunjani dressed like Gator Joe. Yeah, that was a Gator Joe. So Mandy, why don't you read the synopsis for us? All right. Adjusting to a new way of life. Charlie teams up with an animal liberation operation to rescue a gentle soul unjustly framed for murder at a police award ceremony. Oh, yeah.

[00:55:01] So let's start with moments to die for Mandy. You go first. Let's see. I got so many, man. Yeah. I guess my biggest moment to die for is going to be the fact that, as I mentioned, when we were talking about episode three, finding out that Becky is psychic. How in the hell did you pull Steve Buscemi? Yeah. Out of your hut. That was amazing.

[00:55:30] I just want to say when she started, when he answered, I didn't think about it at first. I was focusing more on the conversation. And I was like, wait a minute. And I wrote down in my notes, OMG is good buddy Steve Buscemi. And I didn't Google it because I don't want to Google and get any previews or anything like that. So I, when Mandy said I was psychic about this episode, I was like, oh my God, it is.

[00:55:59] It is Steve Buscemi. You didn't even look to see it? No. You didn't see it in the credits? No. Yeah. It's him. It's him. And the way they left it, I think that he's going to be recurring. Right? Like he's like, find me on this channel anytime. Yeah. He's going to be like her. Her guru. It's like, yeah, staying with her guru. Yeah. Awesome. Becky, what was your moment to die for?

[00:56:25] I have two, but the other one I'll just talk about when we get into the episode. But the, the one that I decided to go with is when Charlie sneaking in and she's by the sign that's showing the nominees for cop of the year. And then Fran has like 15 things listed that she's done, like 15 legitimate things.

[00:56:49] And Gator Joe shows 12.8 million followers on tick tock. That's it. And then Frances O'Leary set a record for parking tickets in Panama City given in one year. And that's why those two were nominated for cop of the year. I don't normally catch background stuff like that. But when she was standing there, I just like, Oh my gosh, that's brilliant.

[00:57:18] My moment to die for is during the awards ceremony before cop of the year, we see they're awarding and it's the same MC both times in the, in the 2019 timeline. And in the 2000, the 2025 one, it's this guy who's the star of the glades, this Australian actor playing himself, but they're awarding the award for the best undercover operation.

[00:57:44] And it goes to quote Diego, quote Verbinski, quote the third. And there's no photo. It's just like a white outline of a head. And they're like, Oh, he can't be here because he's still embedded with the cartel. But you could see that there's a janitor who's in the back of the room, kind of in the shadow. And he like very quietly celebrates like, yes. I only saw it on my second watch. And then later when they're all like, you know, weaponing up to go after the gator.

[00:58:13] And then the one guy's like, no janitors. He like rips off his fake beard. And he's like, I'm not a janitor. I'm a cop. So that's Diego Verbinski the third. That was my second choice, Penny. Well done. Yeah. It's so, it was so small and so funny and like really missable if you weren't paying like the kind of close attention that podcasters pay to TV shows. I was just like, that's really funny.

[00:58:39] And then right after that, they announced the award for best internal affairs investigation. And everybody booze. Along with the song, the Miranda Bites appetizers. Yes. I got that written down too. Yes. It's on a regular red carpet. It's called the step and repeat. But what did they call it? I thought I wrote it down.

[00:59:08] Oh, I don't know. Oh. The lyrics to the song were about, it was twist and shout was the tune. And it was like, stop and frisk. Stop and frisk. Stop and frisk. Come on, come on, come on now, baby. Now stop and frisk. Like, I'm not a fan of the stop and frisk policy in New York City. I think it's horrible. But the idea of a cop convention where they're celebrating all these aspects of cop culture

[00:59:36] is both hilarious and also kind of terrifying. Like, everything about those cops. Like, when they were like, we have a gator we have to kill. And they all like started like gathering their weapons and getting all gung ho and cowboy about it was a little terrifying. It's a little accurate. They were calling them all loose. Everybody was a loose cannon. They were all a loose cannon. You can tell whoever wrote this doesn't necessarily back the balloons. Right. Yeah. They did not hesitate to poke a little fun.

[01:00:05] I love it when they get all their guns out. And Charlie's like, wait, there must be some type of gator due process. Yeah. I also like the cops when they pull all their guns out. But when they first get on the scene, they're fighting over whose territory it is, which is jurisdiction. Yeah.

[01:00:29] Jurisdiction, which is always what happens in every cop show when more than one precinct or whatever is involved. Yep. And then Daisy Cross state lines or county lines. You know what that means? Yeah. It's the highway patrol. And then Fran coming in saying it should be animal control because she knows that Rusty is incompetent. Right. He almost burned the place down. He didn't even know how to use the weapons that he was standing next to.

[01:00:57] I was like, that's kind of funny, but also really kind of not funny. There's live weaponry with an incompetent person and a teenage kid are the only ones looking after it. And all the piles of actual crystal meth. I was like, oh my God. Very Florida. These are real drugs. What could go wrong? Yeah. Very, very Florida. I loved when Charlie asked Rusty, like, could there be a messed up gator? And he's like, oh yeah, all the time. This is Florida. Yeah. This is Florida.

[01:01:25] Well, when they're talking about when Fran confesses and her sergeant says, Fran, that is the most Florida man shit of all time. No way I'm bringing that in front of a judge. And then the opening scene is a woman holding a rifle aimed at someone. And if you look across the street, a guy just walks out of his house, sees it, and keeps

[01:01:55] walking his dog. Like, that's just a normal, everyday thing. That's just a regular day in Florida. Yeah. And then, so Fran is painted as this almost cartoonishly kind soul, right? Like, she gets this burglar that's being held at rifle point or shotgun by this woman in curlers, right? And then she's like, oh, I talked to her. She's not going to press charges. I don't want your life to be ruined for one mistake.

[01:02:22] Although she did just list, like, a couple of other mistakes the guy had made. But, you know, she's like, she's like compassionate or whatever. And then later she sort of applies that same philosophy to herself. Like, I made a mistake by killing Joe. I didn't mean to do it. And it shouldn't ruin my life. But I do like that they made her sort of, in the end, not be able to live with the guilt. I think that I liked the character a lot. And I was bummed that she was the murderer.

[01:02:51] And I didn't want her to be because, I don't know, I just liked her. So the fact that she confessed and then went to work at the Gator Hippie Sanctuary made me happy. Yeah, I like the way they played her where in the beginning she's nonchalant, doesn't care about the Flopacopa. And then as each year goes on, she's not winning. And Gator Joe is winning and getting more famous for being ridiculous, basically.

[01:03:20] And then she, you know, it shows the progression. And he, that it, it just, she got so obsessed with it that it made her become someone that she didn't like. And then when she's at the Gator Sanctuary and he's like, keep it up, you could win employee of the month. And it's like full circle. Yeah, the crazy showed up in her eyes again. Yeah, totally.

[01:03:45] I, um, that scene where they did the time jump from like the first Flopacopa to the seventh Flopacopas. And they, that camera comes in on Fran looking at her phone and they've got it at this very close wide angle lens shot where her forehead and her eyes are sort of exaggerated and a little big. And then her, you know, her face narrows down to a point and then her body looks sort of comically small because of the distortion of the wide angle lens.

[01:04:14] And then the camera very slowly starts to move. And it, it took me, I had to sort of rewind a couple of times to feel it, to realize that the camera was moving because it's really slow and subtle, but it just gives you a feeling of like uneasiness and, and like, it, it puts you in the headspace of being obsessed and sort of out of whack, which is how she seemed. You know, when we pick up with her seven years later, I was like, oh, they're doing a clever

[01:04:43] thing with the camera here. Cause she looked like deranged a little bit when she was looking at the iPhone and it was they, it was the angle and the way that the lens was so close to her that it distorted the background. It was very cool. The show has done a lot of interesting little cinematography tricks all in season one and in season two. I don't always catch them, but when I do, it makes me really happy. I'm like, oh my God, they're doing a thing. I'll have to go back and look at it. And then I get all nerdy about it. I didn't see.

[01:05:14] It, um, it's impressive. I was so focused on the pan out to the dude profusely bleeding from his head, asking if he could get a towel. He was hilarious when she's like, what do people even see in him? And he's like, I guess he has a sort of, you know, charisma or whatever. It was so great. And then the reveal of who this like sort of mild mannered, like baby gator loving dude turned into over the course of six years was hilarious.

[01:05:39] Like gator Joe with his, like, you have the, what was his, his, um, there's gator done, but what was the other one? You have the right to shit your pants or something like that. Like, and the, and the energy drinks that he wore on like an ammunition belt across his chest. Like everything about him was over the top cartoonish and ridiculous, but also like weirdly, very realistic. I have a theory about this episode.

[01:06:08] Unsurprisingly, I think it was about the election, the presidential election. I think it was an analogy, maybe not just about the presidential election, but just about living in a world where you see the dumbest among us. Rising to the top. Brutus, right. The most hateful, most dangerous, violently dangerous people get rewarded.

[01:06:36] And I think that it was in some ways supposed to be a parable about that. Because I think in the, initially, you know, you have the one government, you have the, the, the paradigm of the, the good cop who genuinely cares about protecting her community and looking out for the people around her to the point that she is extending compassion to this guy who maybe, because I had the same note that, you know, that's not a good idea. Why are you letting this guy go?

[01:07:04] He's already, he's got, he's escalating. Yeah. You know, but you know, from the beginning where you see the casual gun violence, the old lady standing on the porch, pointing the AR-15 at somebody. Somebody, and like Becky pointed out, you know, just somebody going by in the, in the background. And she does not care about awards or accolades. She's genuinely trying to steward her community to the extent that when she's at that first,

[01:07:33] she's at that first award ceremony, she's texting with whoever, somebody, one of her deputies who's asking her, do I have to use Miranda rights when it's on a houseboat? A warrant. Do I need a warrant on a houseboat? Yeah, a warrant on a houseboat. Yes. I thought you didn't need it on water. She was like, that is wildly inaccurate. Yeah. But you know, she's genuinely in it for the right reasons. But then she sees this guy progressively, you know, first she's happy for him, but then

[01:08:02] over time she sees the worst actors, you know, the people that are everything that she stands against who are getting progressively more and more ridiculously out of control. And they just keep getting rewarded for it. And she keeps getting passed up. Yeah. And I liked the self-awareness that even before she, you know, killed Joe, she was like, I don't like who I am. Right. Like, this is not who I want to be. Right.

[01:08:31] And then, you know, she didn't mean to kill him. That's fair. She did mean to cover it up, but she didn't mean to kill him. That was clearly an accident. I think she just kind of has shown, I identified a lot with that because I think maybe I'm just projecting, but I felt, I feel a lot of that, like, I get tired of being angry so much these days lately, but how else are you supposed to feel when you're bombarded constantly with, you know.

[01:09:00] Stupidity and incompetence. Right. And corruption. And it's taken over our entire government. Yeah. And even putting government aside, just the way that garbage people rise to the top in social media all the time and are like, they get rich and they get famous and they're living these, you know, rarefied lives. And it's like, what about good people? Like, good people.

[01:09:27] Well, and that's why when we were talking last week and I get, you know, a little more sniffy than I need to be about like the, the Kardashians and the housewives of the world, but it's because it drives me crazy that we make these people famous while teachers are struggling to pay their bills at the end of the month. Yeah, me too. And we give them so much social cachet, not to mention like money. Yeah. But just like, we give them so much influence in our world where, you know, you have really,

[01:09:56] really brilliant, talented people, important people trying really hard to make a difference in this world and nobody knows their name and they don't, you know, they don't get the recognition that they deserve. Scientists and thinkers and doctors and teachers and humanitarians and even some politicians who should be getting the attention. And instead it's going to like trashy rich people. It makes me crazy sometimes. Right.

[01:10:22] And I think that that, that was like what they were trying to show is that that can turn you into the thing that you don't like. Like if you let the hate and I don't know what the answer to it is, cause I'm not Charlie Kale and I don't have all the time in the world to ride around in my barracuda. But I, I, I very much saw myself a little bit in that cop, that cop, because I can understand

[01:10:46] that feeling of just rage at seeing somebody this stupid continue to succeed year after year after year. And then he had the unmitigated nerve to tell her that it's not easy always winning either. Right. And I was like, that is, that is the worst thing you can say to someone that you just like beat in some contest. Like, like you should really like feel sorry for me for winning.

[01:11:14] Like, it's just like have that idea. Fine. Whatever. Maybe it is hard to be the winner. Go talk to someone else. Like. But you're not going to get that across to a guy like that. Like, oh my God. It was so self-centered and so narcissistic. And. Right. I, I, I don't blame her for wanting to get some kind of revenge after he said that. Before that, I was like, well, what are you going to do? Like, this is our society. It sucks. But when he said that, I was like, this guy's got to go down. Yeah.

[01:11:44] I was so angry. 100% there. I, I. Yeah. I thought she was going to beat him with that statue he was about. Yeah. So did she. Yeah. She definitely thought about it. The cop pointing the gun. Yeah. Was there. It'd be a great weapon. But she's like, no, no, I won't do it. And then the laxative plan. It wasn't a bad plan to just embarrass him. And, you know, she just. It was very poorly executed.

[01:12:11] You know, she took advice from Rusty, which first of all, I don't even think I would trust him, even if I had read his note correctly. But I didn't know you could over laxative someone and it would kill them. That was interesting news. Yeah. Well, I didn't know that you needed to have that reptiles needed to have laxatives on hand so often. I didn't either. I was like, they explained that. Like, why is laxative such a big part of this? Like, I understood the lorazepam and whatever the other thing, some kind of anesthesia he was giving.

[01:12:41] I was like, OK, if you have to control a wild animal, like lorazepam makes sense. But like, yeah, the laxative wasn't super well explained. And all I could think about was reptile laxative. All I could think about with the lorazepam was Piper, Piper Nug. Oh, yeah. Partner Posey. Yeah. Partner Posey from from White Lotus. Where's my lorazepam? That accent and those lines that she had in White Lotus are going to be with us for a

[01:13:10] really long time. And it's just. She killed it. I haven't even watched the show, but I love watching the clips of her talk because it's so rare that anybody, even people from the South, it's very rare that they get a real Southern accent in TV shows. And she killed it. Like, she knocked. I don't even watch that show, but I love listening to her accent. I think they put her in her husband. And her lines were ludicrous. Yeah. He's British, but she, I think, is actually from the South. She is. Yeah. She is.

[01:13:39] I listened to a little bit of his and I thought his was a little bit more exaggerated, but hers is just dead on. Like, his wasn't bad. It just, but there's like, you know, there's just a. Well, if you're a native, you hear things other people can't hear. Like for me, I, and I had a conversation with someone online about this bad Boston accents in movies and TV shows make me crazy. I'm like, you don't do it at all.

[01:14:07] The accent, everyone knows the Boston accent is virtually impossible. Just don't even try. And, and people come out sometimes with these like weird mixes of like the Kennedy accent, which by the way, is not a Boston accent. And the Southie accent from Goodwill hunting. And then they try to give it to like every Boston character. And it's like, it's just don't, just don't do the accent at all. Just stop. Just stop. It makes me so frustrated sometimes because they're, they're horrible.

[01:14:34] And I'm sure the same is true for people of other places that have distinctive accents, right? Like that you hear like a Southern accent or a Texas accent or like. Yeah. Tennessee. From like Louisiana, which is very different from North Carolina. Which is a little bit different from parts of North Carolina are different. You know, like even in Tennessee, the Tennessee, the Nashville accent is different than the Memphis accent. Well, where I grew up in East Tennessee.

[01:15:02] It even takes me aback when I go home and talk to my little brother and I'm like, oh my God, it is, it is, it is. It's more Appalachian. Very. And I, I, I can't believe that I talked like that when I moved away all those years ago and it slips and it's, I slipped right back into it too. I remember the first time I took Darren home to meet my family and I'm having a conversation

[01:15:29] and he looked at me and he was like, who are you? I also think that Florida Joe or Gator Joe was a clear homage to Tiger King. Oh, 100%. Which was, you know, all the rage during the pandemic. I never watched more than one episode. I was like, I don't like this at all. I'm with you, Penny. I, I, I saw the, what's one, I watched the documentary, um, but I didn't watch, I didn't

[01:15:58] watch the show and all that stuff. I loved it. I loved every minute of it. You can't go back and relive it. Cause once you've seen it once it's, you've seen it, but just, it was amazing. I loved, you know what? I love an iconoclast. I like somebody who breaks a stereotype and, you know, a super duper gay, slightly bigoted, gun toting redneck.

[01:16:25] It just something about the fact that he's breaking stereotypes. Just hope to yourself. Warm my heart. Yeah. All right. That's fair. He deserves to be in jail for sure. He deserves to be in jail. And he was a horrible, I mean, I was so happy. When they shut him down and there's another guy, there's like a whole little part of the series, not to get too far off track is about like animal handlers.

[01:16:52] And so it's really kind of relative, but like they shut down several of these guys in the show and, and, and the tiger King. And you do really cheer when they do that. Cause they treated their animals terribly. I know seeing tigers in those tiny little cages just pisses you off. Makes me insane. Cause I, tigers are my all time favorite animal. My, my bucket list, you know, everybody has a bucket list. My entire bucket list is pet a tiger. That's the entire contents of my bucket list now. Well, it might be the last thing you do.

[01:17:21] So that I'm willing to accept that fate. Hey, I'm going to ride a woolly mammoth. The moment they get that sunbitch plant or. I just want my meerkat banner. Yeah. I think my last words will be here kitty. Here kitty. Come here kitty. Becky, I almost, my mom and Tony and I, we went to go do a race at the zoo a couple months ago and we almost put some meerkats. We were like for the first time they were coming right up to that little glass enclosure,

[01:17:50] you know, where you can lean over it. And well, no, I'm talking about the way that it is now. Like it, I feel like they've lowered the divider where you can like literally lean over and they were getting so close that I could have reached down. Oh, I'm thinking. And I really wanted to put me a meerkat in my coat pocket and just. You crawl up and it's the bubble and they're all round. But like. That's the one. That's my favorite. It is cool.

[01:18:18] But what I'm telling you is you might have a shot at getting you a little meerkat this year at the zoo. They've lowered the little thing where you can just lean over. Bob's your uncle, grab you a meerkat. Don't put it in your pants. I don't think that's going to go well for you. Bring a tote bag or something. Yeah. Thank you all for that sage advice. Sage advice. So serious. Bring a tote bag.

[01:18:46] I posted on Facebook one time. I said, I spend an inordinate amount of time trying to figure out how I can have a pet tiger. Right. Just that was my Facebook post. I thought I was being funny. A number of people responded to me with concrete plans. Oh, that's good friends right there. Like advice, planning, research. Like in this state and that state, you're allowed to own a tiger. Like, like I was like, you guys were supposed to talk me out of it.

[01:19:16] Like this is. You got to guess what I get for having the kind of friends that I have. So thank you all for being willing. And I love Mandy that you're like looking out for Becky's desire to be a cat. Well, I think that's, that's being a good friend. I almost had like, I'm not joking. Like we talked about it extensively. Like, probably not. Well, yeah, actually I would have initially, no, I would have gotten at home and then immediately realized, oh damn, I have an entire pack of dogs. I better call Becky and see if she can take this meerkat.

[01:19:45] So yes, in that sense. So what I'm hearing is. I was unaware that you also love them. Were. Was going to pawn a meerkat on you. Yes. If it had worked out that it would have been like, I had no idea after all these years that you wanted a meerkat that bad. I want a meerkat. I want a meerkat manor. Darren and I have. Yeah. Like when the lottery winnings come in, we have a plan for our super lots of acre.

[01:20:15] Place that will house a beautiful little meerkats that will. Well, I'm excited. Let me love them and squeeze them and call them George. I have a similar long-term lottery winnings plan, but it's a, it's a sanctuary for cats, dogs. Oh, that's in there. Not other farm animals. I haven't thought about horses, but we, we. I wasn't like thinking about meerkats because I also was sort of thinking it would be in New

[01:20:43] England somewhere, but, and they're not really a local animal. Meerkat sweaters. Yeah. Little kind of. Oh, I thought you meant make sweaters out of the meerkat. No. No. Sweaters for the meerkat. That's so much better. I'm not Cruella DeVille. Oh, wow. No. Knit little sweaters for the meerkat. I'm not Cruella DeVille. Oh my God. Now I'm picturing a meerkat. I am too. And I'm just going to talk amongst yourselves.

[01:21:13] And it would have to be like a turtleneck sweater. So when they stand up and they poke their little heads up. Super emphasized. So you guys find us. Meerkats and sweaters. Yes. I think somebody on the internet should send us some pictures that way. All right. Back to the show. Back to the show. So Charlie has a thing for Dennis Hopper, and this has come up before on the show.

[01:21:39] And in episode two, when they put the CB radio in her car, she said, oh, I'm going to be like Linda Man's. And I didn't know what that reference was, and I sort of skipped over it. But then when it came up again in this episode, I did look it up. It's a Dennis Hopper movie that she's quoting, that disco sucks, kill all hippies. It's called Out of the Blue. Dennis Hopper not only starred in it, he also directed it and rewrote the script when he started directing it.

[01:22:04] And I read this whole article about it, and I was like, I have to see this movie. This movie sounds fascinating. So Dennis Hopper sort of in the 60s and 70s, he was known for being sort of a beatnik, counterculture, et cetera, et cetera. And this movie, Out of the Blue, is sort of like a commentary on that lifestyle and how pointless being a countercultural person was in the 70s because they didn't have a long-term plan. And so it's like a countercultural movie.

[01:22:33] From what I read, I haven't seen it. I am definitely going to look into seeing it because it sounds really fascinating. But that's where Disco Sucks, Kill All Hippies comes from. And then the main character is played by an actress named Linda Manns, and the character's name is Cece. And she starts saying this slogan, Disco Sucks, Kill All Hippies. And the point of it in the movie is kind of that it doesn't make any sense and it doesn't mean anything. And why is she saying it just because it's catchy? I got to see the movie. Fascinated by it.

[01:23:03] But I loved that she said the quote, and then Good Buddy comes back with another quote from the movie. And then she's like, what? And he's like, I thought you were quoting out of the blue. And I have been in this situation so many times where someone says something and I'm like, oh, they're referencing this movie I know. And then I say another thing from the movie and the person is like, what? And then I'm like, am I the dummy or are you the dummy? I think- Aren't we both on the same page?

[01:23:29] I think what was great about that was that that literally, to go back, was proof that Becky is psychic. Not only is Steve Buscemi in this show, he is the counterpoint to Charlie Kale. He is her psyche out in the world. Yeah. He's like this amorphous, guru, super ego character of her. I almost hope we never see him in person. He's like the male Charlie Kale. Just like Becky was like. Yeah.

[01:23:59] I just, I have a sense. I didn't see it. I didn't see it. I didn't see your vision, Becky. And now I have to bow down. And it worked. It really worked. I was interested in his sort of life philosophy, right? He's like, he asks her where she is and she says, I'm in a place that feels like an ending, but it's still the middle. And, you know, they talk about how she needs a beginning. And then he says, here's what I know. Everyone has a highway.

[01:24:28] The thing they're good at, you know, the thing that defines them. Because there is no destination. There is only the highway. And I believe if we open our perception and trust and humble ourselves and find sanctuary when we need it, that highway will find us. And it's sort of like the life is a journey. It's not about the destination. Or something I say when I'm making art is that a lot of times the process is more important than the result.

[01:24:58] I don't think I believe that everyone has one thing that they're good at that defines them. I think most people are multifaceted and that there's a lot of free will and choice in there. But I do think that things that are meant for you will find you if you're open to it. What do you guys think about the life philosophy there? I like that they called out that to a certain degree, it's a bit of a heavy metaphor by having

[01:25:26] them all sit down and the animal rescue group with Charlie and literally start saying the lyrics to Life is a Highway. Yeah. What's that guy? I can't remember the name of the singer, but they were like, you just got to ride it all night long. Well, she says life has led me to my highway and I'm ready to ride. Yeah, I think it is true to a certain degree.

[01:25:51] I think that to be mentally healthy is to accept that there is no one meaning or destination or goal in life that you have to get up every day and approach that day as an adventure. You know, like, gosh, what is the guy that's the self-help guru from the 40s and 50s that wrote How to WinFlynd friends and influence people? Oh, Frank Covey? No, it wasn't Frank Covey.

[01:26:21] We're going to both beat ourselves up when we get off of here because it's going to be so obvious. Yeah, but I can't. My uncle sent me another book of disguise a few years back and it's about how to live with less anxiety. And even though it's from the 50s, it genuinely really did help me. And one of the philosophies from it was just basically, and it's been said by other people in different ways, but it's, you know, anytime you try to project into tomorrow or to spend

[01:26:49] a lot of time regretting yesterday, you're literally hallucinating about something that does not exist. You only have today. Literally, that is the only thing that is real in this world is the day that is in front of you. And I think that there are about a million different philosophers who've said it in different ways, but I agree with that. And that is how I try. I'm not always successful because I do have anxiety and I do have a tendency to want to project ahead into the next thing.

[01:27:18] And that can be very scary sometimes. But when I feel mentally healthiest is when I am staying in the moment and working on being the best version of whatever I am in that moment. Yeah. I think a lot of people struggle with this, living in the past or projecting into the future and missing out on what's happening right around them at that given time. Like, it is something that I struggle with as well.

[01:27:46] I've had my own share with anxiety and nothing. There are certain things in life that will make me live right in the moment. And I keep returning to them to ground myself. One of them is spending time with little kids, like really little kids. You cannot be out of it. They notice it. They call you on it. And they force you to be in the moment with them, right? They'll be like, put your phone away. Like, little kids will just tell you what's what. Sometimes animals, you know? And for me, swimming.

[01:28:15] When I'm in the water and I don't have any devices with me and I'm like not around any other people, I get completely in the zone and I feel like the only thing that exists is me in the water. And it's incredibly soothing. But it's a hard state to stay in. It's something you have to constantly work at. I went to Charleston last month to see my kids.

[01:28:41] And I, both of y'all know, I've just been dealing with some serious stressors in my life. And all I wanted, and one of my, I listened to a lot of nature sounds to try to help me shut off my anxiety in my brain when I go to sleep at night. And one of my favorites is just listening to the beach. And, you know, we don't live super close to a beach. So whenever I can get to a beach, I want to get to a beach. But Connor was like, what do you want to do?

[01:29:10] I was like, I want to spend time with y'all. And I just want to go to the beach. And I want to sit on the beach. I want to close my eyes. And I just want to breathe and listen to the ocean. And we got there, put down a blanket. They went and walked off and did their own thing. And it's the first time I have ever been successful at actually meditating.

[01:29:35] Like, I just, every, like, oh, when I was, I don't know how long I sat there for. It felt like 15, 20 minutes, but it could have been five. I don't know. But it just, when I opened my eyes and I was like taken aback at like, okay, that's right. I'm in public. There's people around me, but I didn't hear them. I didn't see them.

[01:29:58] I just, all I felt was, I heard was the ocean and my, and just being with, I don't, I'm not explaining it very well. The air and the salt. No, that's great. Awesome. I think that's beautiful. I felt so good. It didn't last as long as I wanted it to once my eyes opened. But I, that was, I'm not good at being in the moment.

[01:30:23] I am constantly thinking of what I need to get done or what I didn't get done. And that, that was a true in the moment moment for me. And it was, it was amazing. I wish I could do that more often. Yeah. I feel the same way about the ocean. I similarly have a very hard time meditating. And I don't know that I've ever been in a truly meditative state, but it's definitely better when I'm near the ocean. Definitely helps. I love nothing more.

[01:30:53] Like, I don't have to have a fancy hotel room or anything like that. But when we go to the beach, I would love, I like to be close enough that I can open the doors right and just hear the waves coming in. Hey, it was Dale Carnegie was who I was trying to think of. And for anybody interested out there, the book that I was talking about that my uncle sent me, that genuinely really did help me. Surprisingly, because you would think it would be much more out of date. I mean, there's some anachronistic things in there, but very few really. It's called How to Stop Worrying and Start Living.

[01:31:23] And I do recommend it. Really genuine. I'm not a big self-help person, but that actually really did put some perspective in my life that gave me some tools that I use all the time. Yeah. You know when somebody that you care about, somebody you're paying attention to, is living in the future or living in the past and is not enjoying a present moment or focusing on a present moment.

[01:31:52] And sometimes all you need is for someone to remind you. Yeah. Say like, hey, you know, you might want to pay attention to what's going on right now. Like your kid is about to graduate or you're, you know, this is an amazing meal that somebody prepared for us. Like, why don't you focus on that for a minute? And sometimes you just need someone to like remind you. Yeah. Like be in the moment right now. I think you'll be glad that you did. And I don't know, it's just something we can do for each other sometimes.

[01:32:21] Like it's hard to self-regulate. Yeah. But that's why we have families and friends. Yeah. You were talking about kids and how they really help with that. And I tell my kids this all the time and I just don't think that they can really understand it yet. And maybe one day when they have children. But in many, many ways, my kids literally saved my life. Like as depressed as I've ever been, and I've been in many, many clinical deep depressions in my life.

[01:32:46] Like I've never truly been suicidal and I thank God for it, you know. But it's not that I've not had like, it's been, that doesn't mean it wasn't awful. And having children really helped me to, I don't know, like there is no, you know, it's a mystery how all of that works. You don't know how much of it is nature, how much of it is nurture. It's definitely some part of both.

[01:33:13] And, but one of the things that having my children did is it caused me, like you said, you cannot not be present for them and be a good parent. And that was my highway, I guess. Like that was my purpose. And being a good parent meant so much to me that it forced me to do the things that I needed to do to take better care of myself so that I could be there for my children.

[01:33:39] And I don't know that I would have ever found that power if I didn't have the kids, if I didn't have my kids. Because that was, that was so important to me that it gave me permission to, I don't know, slow down, be selfish, force me to stop long enough to learn to be in the moment more. And I'll always be grateful for them.

[01:34:02] Raising kids is hard, but what they've given back to me has been immensely more than, than I feel like I could have ever, ever done for them. I mean, I think that's really beautiful. And I hope your kids listen. No, me too. I tell them a lot. They'll get it one day.

[01:34:23] I don't have my own kids, but I am a, um, a many times over auntie and, and I've had the good fortune to spend a lot of time with, with other people's babies and small children and teenage children and adult children. And I, um, I get so much out of those interactions and I love being a doting auntie. It's the best job in the world. Yeah. It just makes you wonder how anybody can be awful to their kids. Doesn't it? You know, like, especially when you're in the world.

[01:34:52] You know them from little, you know, and yeah, they can be annoying or whatever, but so can I like daily. And like, especially little kids, like the idea we're really on a tangent here, but sure. The reality that there are people who abuse their children in all kinds of ways, neglect, you know, verbal abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse, all the different ways that people can be horrible to little kids. When I think about it.

[01:35:22] When I think about it. And then I think about little kids. I know I'm, it's so hard for me to process. Right. How can you look at this? Like precious cherub, right? This like adorable, small human with these giant eyes who says crazy stuff. Like, is the moon going to come to my birthday party? Right. Or whatever it is. Like, and not just want to like protect and love and feed and play with them is, it's hard for me to wrap my head around it.

[01:35:49] I just, I, I have spent a lot of time thinking about what makes somebody abusive to children. And it's, it's not a fun thing to think about, but it's also not something I've ever been able to understand. Same. Yeah. And I'm 52. You know, I've been thinking about it my whole life.

[01:36:06] And to bring it back around to the show, this whole concept is actually kind of something that Charlie is dealing with because she's looking at this gator and she's thinking about like, you know, the whole thing about the gator being a gentle soul. I don't know about that. Gators are fairly primitive. I mean, they are literally, she was, when she called it a prehistoric monster, that is, they're, they have not changed in many, many hundreds of millions of years.

[01:36:36] But this idea of protecting this, because whether or not they're, you know, gentle, they are innocent. They are animals that, you know, and what they were doing, what Gator Joe was doing to that animal was not okay. And the idea that they were just going to blow this animal away for something that, because it had been victimized. It had been kidnapped from its natural terrain, fed Oreos, drugged.

[01:37:05] Now being used to, you know, assaults, given drugs to, again, to eat their owner, you know, and that she was going to fight for this animal. I love that about, that speaks to her soul and who she is. She is sort of, she's incredibly loving and she's willing to love anyone. And we see this time and again on the show that Charlie is someone who will stand up for people. Yeah. Who are being victimized.

[01:37:35] And she also is even compassionate of the murderers when she catches them. She's sort of like, oh man, I didn't want you to turn out to be a murderer. Like, she doesn't have hate in her. No, no, she's constantly disappointed because she doesn't see the bad guy coming because she's always wanting to see the best in people. Yeah. And even in the Gator, you're right. She, it's fun. It was so funny at the end when she's like, hey, Daisy, remember me?

[01:38:03] And then she's like, taste of blood, taste of human blood, get in the car and drive away. Because nobody knows. Yeah. And the thing is that, that animals like alligators and tigers and lions and bears are, they are wild animals. They are evolutionarily, biologically trained to be hunters and to be violent. And when humans try to introduce them into a human society and then something goes wrong, like it is the human's fault. Right. It is not the animal's fault.

[01:38:33] Like when, you know, you hear about people who have like a pet chimpanzee and then the chimpanzee like rips their face off. It's like. What did you expect? You shouldn't have a pet chimpanzee. That's like, that's what happens. You know, when either Siegfried or Roy, whichever one of them was killed by one of their tigers. It's like, yeah, that's, that's what happens when you try to take wild animals and like make them your bitch. Yeah. And it irks me to.

[01:39:00] And I fully, like I said, I fully have accepted that if I ever get to pet a tiger, that might be the last thing I ever do. Right. You're not trying to put it in your bathroom. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. You're not trying to take it home and keep it captive. Oh my God. I wish. But I won't. But I wish. Like whenever I see someone on TV or a movie with a pet tiger, like Jasmine in Aladdin or King Ezekiel in Walking Dead, I'm like, he's living the dream.

[01:39:26] You need to get a CGI machine for your house. So that I can just have like a hallucination of a tiger with me at all times. Well, I have a little teeny tiny panther. That's close enough. He's a nine pound version, but he's, you know. A little pig. So he gets the job done. That's exactly what I was about to say is that, you know, we've barely domesticated cats. Like they house cats. They domesticated themselves. Right. And well, and that's even debatable.

[01:39:57] Did they domesticate themselves or did they domesticate us? Yeah. They just like moved in. Anybody that has a cat should know, stay away from a tiger. Like as far as like if you're wanting to make a pet out of it, it doesn't love you. Yeah. It might love you, but instinct might take over too and it might eat your face off. It can also just like playfully swat you and like pick an eye out without even meaning to.

[01:40:22] Like it's not, it's not, it's not a, they're not meant to be pets and cats. Basically the only reason that they don't kill us is because they're like nine pounds. I've accepted the fact I, one time at Darren, I felt a lot better about it, but I told you several times, Mandy, if you don't hear from me in a couple of days, Frisco's probably eating my face off. May she rest in peace. Girls have eaten you. I gave Pixel permission.

[01:40:51] If I, if I die and he doesn't have anyone to feed him and I'm lying on the floor, he's allowed to eat my face. I mean, I would prefer you start with a leg or something, but what else I'm going to be. Well, so here's the thing about me that you may not know is you should probably hope that we all never get into any kind of like a yellow jackets or a live sort of scenario because I'm

[01:41:16] only going to make it to about an hour past lunchtime before. Before we all start looking like dinner. I mean. Says the woman who won't eat shrimp Vienna sausages. Whatever. If, if we were in like some kind of survival mode, honestly, Becky, I might eat you before I ate the shrimp weenies, but I would eat the shrimp weenies.

[01:41:41] I'm saying like if I'm stuck in the Canadian wilderness or whatever and shrimp weenies are all I have. Fine. But I'm not going to go looking for the shrimp weenies. There's not going to be any voluntary eating of shrimp weenies. I'm not going to eat you, Becky, unless it's an emergency. And if it's an emergency. All bets are off. And I would want the same for you. If I die. You just said that you would eat me before you would eat shrimp weenies. I said maybe. I don't know.

[01:42:11] I'm not even. We never have to find out. It's hard to predict. Yeah. Whenever I travel in other countries, one of my favorite things to check out is the potato chip flavors. Me too. Because they're always really disgusting. Yeah. It's like, ew, who's in? And there were shrimp flavored potato chips that I saw recently in either Australia or New Zealand. And I was like, that is vile. They have some ecroger. But they probably taste good to the people who are used to them. And they probably think my thing for salt and vinegar potato chips is gross.

[01:42:40] No, that's good too. I get mustard on my leg. I. Oh, interesting. That's good. It's pretty good. I don't like it like you would dip in like a French onion dip. That's just a tiny little hint of mustard. A little mustard goes a long way. That is one food thing Mandy and I will agree on. Yeah. But back to the reason I was mentioning that I am willing to dabble in cannibalism if we're

[01:43:07] ever in an alive situation is that I don't begrudge my dogs if they got to eat me if I die. Yeah, I'm done with the body. Go ahead. Like whatever you need to do to survive. That's fine with me. Right. And Nervi, honestly, sometimes when I'm sleeping deeply, I worry that he's like, I've caught him checking my breath. Yeah. Hold the mirror over. She's still breathing. Do I get to eat her yet? Yeah. Back to the show a little bit.

[01:43:36] What did you guys think of the alligator sanctuary? I've loved him. I've loved that guy. I probably after an hour would want to punch him in the face. But for that. Charlie was quite smitten. She was. She was flirting. The worst flirting in the world. I know. It was such goofy looking flirting, but I really enjoyed it. Hold on. Wait a minute. She said. He was put in the. I don't know what it is.

[01:44:06] He was putting the earpiece in and she goes, be careful. It's extra waxy. Oh, yeah. She said. You're like. And she was like, you know, she's usually so kind of like androgynous or even masculine in her in her presentation. You know, she's very laid back. She's like too cool for school. Like at the end of the last episode, how she was leaning against the plane vaping, like whatever. I'm so bored.

[01:44:33] But around this guy, Hutch, she was like eyelash fluttering and like cursing her lips. It was hilarious. Yeah. I was like, wow, she flirts like she's 12. That's really cute. Same. Yeah. He was. I mean, he's a good looking guy. He also seemed to be like. What? Like, like he didn't really know she was flirting because probably all women kind of act like that around him. So he just thinks that's how people act. Well, I think she was over him by the end. Well, and also.

[01:45:03] Well, yeah. Because he ran out on Daisy. When he was talking to her, the other girl walked. There were two girls that walked by, I think. And they were like, hey, whatever his name is. So, yeah. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure he knew that the effect he was having. He knows the effect he has on women. He was giving cult. I wanted. He was giving cult later vibes. I wanted. Yeah. I do think it's funny when he's talking about.

[01:45:30] They're at the round table and they're talking about all the animals that they save. And he's like, including donkey show donkeys. Yeah. Donkey show donkeys do need to be rescued. That is disgusting. They said. I am not okay with animal abuse. I'm not either. But it was just funny that their donkey show donkeys. Why not just say donkeys? Right. So, that's specific and funny. And then.

[01:45:57] I want to know why all of them were dressed like the caterers. When their goal was simply to get Charlie out of the van. Why did they all need to be dressed up? They were all in the van. Maybe in case they needed to go in. Yeah. But it was a little silly. It was also silly that they were like, you're not going to go into the cop's house to get him. This is a Florida. He'd be armed to the teeth. So you sent her to a cop convention? And then tell her. And then tell her. What did you think Flopacopa stood for?

[01:46:27] She's like, that was not self-evident. Like, Flopacopa. She's right. There's a lot of buzz here. Yeah. Including cop groupies who are apparently called pig porkers, which was hilarious. Yes. Pig porkers. That was so funny. That just made me want bacon. That was so, so gross. Or so. One thing that really entertained me, this show has like sort of a love affair with the 70s. There's often a lot of 70s aesthetics and 70s fashions being pictured.

[01:46:57] And like last time we saw like sort of a 70s looking blaxploitation style movie being made. And the CB radio is so 70s. My family, we had one when I was a kid. We had a CB room. Yeah. In the 70s. And the time that my brothers and sisters and I spent like trying to get any stranger to talk to us on the CB radio just all came flooding back to me in that scene where

[01:47:25] Charlie's just like trying to reach out to anyone. And I was like, yeah, before the internet, if you wanted to talk to strangers, that was kind of the way to do it anonymously. Right? Like you had to go somewhere and meet somebody new, like at a bar or coffee shop or the CB radio. There weren't really any other options. Yeah. My parents had their own handles. I was still pretty little when the CB thing went out. So I never, I mean, they would hold it for me and I would talk sometimes, but they

[01:47:54] had, it was like a whole thing in our house. They all had their own CB handles and talked to certain people on the reg. They had like clubs. We had a CB room. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. We never got any traction with ours, but our parents weren't involved. I don't know where the CB radio came from. It was just like amongst the things we had to play with. They were just like, here kids.

[01:48:20] It was kind of like now hair kids, here's a device to go talk to strange adults that you've never met before. It has a camera and everything. Yeah. Oh my God. Okay. I think we've gotten a little too tangential. So I'm going to bring us back and Becky, why don't you give us your next point? My next point is the vending machine.

[01:48:43] Did anyone else have flashbacks at trying, having one dollar bill and when things actually in a vending machine costs less than a dollar and you cannot get the vending machine to take that dollar that I felt that in my soul. I really recently had this problem with a vending machine in a train station in Sydney, Australia and I couldn't get it. I couldn't get it to take cash.

[01:49:09] So then I switched to using a credit card and then I wanted water and it just kept giving me Coke. Oh no. I had like four Cokes and I was like, I just want water. Why is this hard? Like I was having a meltdown in the train station. All the caffeine did now. Well, I wasn't drinking the Coke. Oh God, all that sugar. Yeah. Oh, I just took them and gave them to my, my friend's kid. I was like, I've got four Cokes for you. And he was like, okay. No questions. Just like, okay. Got it.

[01:49:40] Um, anyway, Becky, go back to it. Yeah. The, the vending machine. That took me back. And then the last one is when Daisy, they found out that Daisy escaped through the vent and the one cop says she's in the walls. Somebody tell me, I know that was referenced to some movie or TV show. Do y'all know what it is? I don't. I think it's been in a lot of them, but I, it reminded me of aliens.

[01:50:10] That's what I saw. That's what I was thinking of. I think that is what it is. Cause I was going to say, I don't know for sure, but I had the same thought that Becky did that it's from something. And I think it's aliens. Yeah. But it also reminded me of that awesome walking dead episode where there's like the house with the scary, like feral people. Yeah. Wow. Well, the, the movie I was talking about last week, don't be afraid of the dark with Katie Holmes in it. That that's part of the plot line is that there are these creatures that are scurrying around.

[01:50:40] Ooh. That's so creepy. It's bad enough when it's like a mouse and you're like, oh, I can hear that there's a mouse in the wall. Yeah. Like a creature, like something evil. We. I know we don't want a 17 hour podcast, but some other time I have to tell you about the poltergeist that we had in my house when I was a kid. And that was one of the things that would happen was scurrying in the walls. Like you could hear people talking in the walls, like mumbling, but never loud enough. You know, it's funny. I'm the biggest chicken in the world.

[01:51:10] When I was a kid, especially like I was always the house that we lived in before that. My uncle used to terrify me that there was a ghost there that was named my first name, which is Rika, which is no real. First name. They claimed died down the road. Anyway, I was always scared to death there. Nothing ever happened to me in that house. We moved to this house. Legitimate. Like we saw things literally flying through the air. Like it was the only time in my life that one of the few times in my life that I've seen things that there's just literally, and it was multiple people saw it. But anyway, never scared me.

[01:51:39] I don't know why. It just, well, maybe one or two times. There were times where I was like, I don't like being here by myself. But most of the time, like when I would hear the talking in the walls, I would just get up and go, I have to go to school in the morning. Please be quiet. And then they would. Wow. Yeah. It was pretty crazy. But anyway, that's terrifying. I have several more quotes that I want to go over before we move on. One of them is when Gator Joe gave up, got up to give his first speech and he said, I love being a cop.

[01:52:09] I love panhandles. I love Florida. But most of all, I love you, Daisy girl. I love panhandles. I love, and I'm the Michael Jordan of being a cop in, yeah, I'm the Michael Jordan of being a cop in Florida panhandle. Like he had to qualify it. Not in all of Florida, but he's the Michael Jordan of the cops in the Florida panhandle. Yeah. Oh my God.

[01:52:34] And then when he's running past Charlie to get to the bathroom before, right before he dies, he's going, got a shit. Gator done. Gator done. Gator done. Gator done. Gator done. Gator done. Gator done. Gator done is addictive. I have a feeling I'm going to be sprinkling that into conversation and people are going to be like, what? Yeah. Gator done. It's a good one.

[01:53:04] And when Charlie is talking to the kid from Saturday Night Live, that's the animal control guy that's up at the front desk and they're asking, you know, like, did the gator come and get the meth? And then they start talking to the kid that's there working. He's just there because he got like a DUI or something. I don't remember, but he's doing community service. And he's like, I don't know if I saw that. And she's like, you don't know if you saw a fully formed alligator come through here and

[01:53:34] steal a bag of meth. And he's like, no, no, I just don't know. And then that was it. I think we covered over the other one that I have down here, which is a methed up gator. You ever heard of that? And he's like, yeah, like every week because this is Florida. Yeah. I also liked it when Fran goes up to Rusty and she's like, I have a kind of awkward question to ask you. And he's like, I'd love to. Yeah. He had a big crush.

[01:54:04] Yeah. He had a big crush on her. He was, he was giving her the eyeballs. Yeah. That was adorable. And then he, she's like, what? And he's like, what? Like trying to play it off. That actress she was in, I love seeing her, Abby Hoffman or Gabby Hoffman. Cause she, I was like, who is she? And then I realized that she was in like everything when we were kids. Like she's our age. Yeah, she was in a ton of like eighties and nineties movies. Yeah.

[01:54:32] One of my favorites is Volcano with Charlie Lee. I love disaster movies. Same. I love them. And that's one of my all time favorites. Cause it's absolutely ridiculous. It makes no sense. Yeah. And she's in it. She also had a really fun, like weird recurring role on girls. That was like super strange and really interesting and just fun on screen. I really liked that actor a lot. Gabby Hoffman.

[01:55:00] She's one of my favorite character actresses. Yeah. I loved when she showed up at the seventh cop, floppa coppas. And she's all. It was like all made up with her hair curled. And she's carrying that like dainty purse. I was like, that's hilarious. Like after, you know, she went to the first one, like barely caring that it was happening and then shows up at this one all like dolled up. It was just funny, but still in her cop uniform. Yeah. It was very funny because I think that that's one of the things I like about her is that

[01:55:28] she looks her age, you know, she doesn't mess with her face. She doesn't try to play anything. You know, she always plays, she plays characters that their beauty is not the form. And she is a pretty woman, you know, when she got all dolled up there at the end, she was an attractive lady, but just. It's not the point of any of her. And that's not the roles that she goes for. Yeah. And I love that about her. She's much more interesting as a person. Yeah. I just want to give a shout out to.

[01:55:59] Daisy's former owner, Stanky James. But yeah, it's Stanky James written down and I couldn't remember where that came from. I just thought it was hilarious. Really funny. If you enjoy poking fun at Florida and Florida people in Florida names, then The Good Place is another show. It is. Of what? They make. Yeah. Watch like the first. They make a lot of Florida jokes. Yeah. A lot of Florida jokes.

[01:56:29] Hopefully, Russ, whatever Charlie's next destination will be, will be outside of Florida because she's been in Florida for like three episodes. Yeah. So I'm ready for another destination. She said Bowling Green. So she might be headed to Kentucky, which. I wondered about that. I would have thought if Bowling Green, Florida was where she was because she said that before she went to the town with the gator. Oh, yeah. And then she said maybe the next exit. So maybe Bowling Green is where she'll end up or who knows? I don't know.

[01:56:58] Because she said it like she was like, oh, not Bowling Green. So maybe there's something about Bowling Green, Kentucky. I didn't look up a whole lot of news because there's most of it was just reviews of the episodes. But I did find an article on NBC.com that was all about is it real? Are meth gators real? Do animals really get a taste for human blood?

[01:57:27] So I'll just read a little bit of it. It's a common refrain whenever an animal attacks a human from sharks and bears to dogs and gators. Once an animal has eaten a person, someone is bound to claim they've acquired, quote, a taste for human blood. The implication, of course, is that the animal must be captured and killed to keep the public safe. And we saw that, right? The cops were all like gung ho, like gun up. Let's go get this done.

[01:57:52] It's been suggested that human blood is saltier than other prey animals and predators prefer the taste. But that claim just isn't true. More often, repeated animal attacks are the result of humans encroaching on habitats and reducing or eliminating prey. I think it's very narcissistic of humans to assume that we taste better than any other mammals. I never assumed that was the thing.

[01:58:15] I just assumed that it was once they attacked and had, you know, had an altercation where they attack a human. And if they eat them, then they have identified them as prey. I just assumed that that just... Maybe. Yeah. But there's this idea that like now they're going to... They're always going to want the taste of humans. And it's like maybe they really would prefer chicken. Maybe we taste them. In these...

[01:58:41] In these situations, there's a natural propensity to single out a cause that's easily manageable. Like there's one bad croc or one bad shark and it's attacked once. Obviously, it will do it again that it likes the taste. That was said by University of Adelaide Center for Traumatic Stress Studies Director Sandy McFarlane via HuffPost Australia. Whereas accepting that it's actually a more complex problem is much more difficult to take and make coherent.

[01:59:06] And the article goes on to talk about like when humans encroach on animal territory with either like building new neighborhoods or putting in roads or whatever, it destroys the animals ecosystem and they often end up sort of in human neighborhoods, not knowing what to do, confused, and they'll hurt humans and lash out because they're wild animals and humans moved into their backyard. But then the article goes on. Of course, it's one thing to talk about sober animals.

[01:59:34] It's harder to know what an animal might do under the influence of powerful mind-altering drugs. Back in 2019, a police department in Loretto, Tennessee warned residents against flushing drugs down the toilet, lest they accidentally create meth-powered gators. And the warning went, folks, please don't flush your drugs, okay? Our sewer guys take great pride in releasing water that is cleaner than what is in the creek, but they are not really prepared for meth.

[02:00:01] Ducks, geese, and other fowl frequent our treatment ponds and we shudder to think what one all hyped up on meth would do, the post read via NBC News. Furthermore, if it made it far enough, we could create meth gators in Shoal Creek and Tennessee River down in North Alabama. However, biologists have noted it's unlikely flush drugs could reach an alligator in high enough concentrations to impact their behavior. That said, you still shouldn't dump anything down the toilet outside of the usual things.

[02:00:29] Officials later stated that the meth gator post was a joke, but the guidance not to flush drugs still stands. That's amazing. All I can see now are methed up ducks and geese. Yeah, and if you've ever encountered an angry goose, that will terrify you. Like the idea of a goose on meth is just a next level problem. Geese, I hate geese. They're mean. They are mean. They are very mean.

[02:00:59] Let's move on to some listener feedback. We have some that didn't make it in time for episode two. We'll go through that, and then we just have basically one that's about episode three of voicemail. Oh, and one about episode four. So we'll start with the episode two stuff and go from there. Mandy, you want to read the first one?

[02:01:25] Matt King says, looks like Cynthia had a lot of fun playing multiple parts in episode one and was great to see Katie Holmes and Giancarlo Esposito, who was never less than excellent in episode two. Matt also asked, if you were to commemorate a loved one's remains in a vinyl record, what song would it be? That's a good question. Yeah. I think we should all try to answer this. I'm ready. I've been thinking about this. I have one for Mandy and one for my husband. Awesome.

[02:01:55] All right. What are they? Lay it on us. Mandy's would be Highway to Hell. Yeah. Because Mandy, it's been said for years and Mandy agrees that she's going to be the reason why I end up in hell. So Highway to Hell for Mandy. And then for my husband, if you haven't listened to this song, take a moment and listen to it. But it's called Feels Like Rain by Buddy Guy. That's our song.

[02:02:24] Oh, that sounds beautiful. That's a sweet song. Mandy, do you have any ideas? I don't know. I'm like really drawing a blank on this one because honestly, a record is just not what I would do with it. Again, I've got these grand dreams of stuffing all of you guys that I love so much and having all my friends with me forever here in my home. That sounded so scary movie-like. I love it. I don't know why. I think it's such a good idea.

[02:02:53] I think we're going to have a great time together and we'll all be together forever and no one can take you from me and I can pose you any way that I want and dress you up. And that just to me is a lot more exciting than a record. So I don't really have a record. Have y'all seen the new Simple Favor movie? No, I gotta watch that. I love the first one. Okay. When you do, there's going to be, I'm not going to say anything other than there's going

[02:03:20] to be a section that's going to make you feel like you just listened to Mandy talking and it's creepy AF. Awesome. I don't know what I would want, what song I would want for some of the people that I love and I don't have anyone in my life that I would get to choose that for, but I think for me, I just can't help always being a little bit snarky. I think it would be that song, I Just Died In Your Arms Tonight.

[02:03:51] That is amazing. Oh, that's funny. You know what? For my husband, I think it would be Taylor Swift. You need to calm down because he hates Tay Tay. Oh, that's funny. I just think it would be fun. I know. You can't be shocked by that. I am a little bit. That's hilarious. Yeah, he doesn't, he does not like Taylor Swift and not her as a person. Just, he's pretty sniffy about female singers in general.

[02:04:18] So I just think it would be great to, and our love language is snark. So I just think it would be great to have him in. Actually. In that song specifically. If you really want to get him. I can get you the Duke Blue Devil's school song. No, Becky. I don't want him to come back and haunt me. Like, become like a devil wraith spirit out to destroy me. Or Rocky Top. That's a line too far. Neither one of those.

[02:04:48] Those are a line too. He would crawl back from hell and meet me. Yeah, no. Like Tay Tay, he would just be like, very funny. But yeah, those two, no. He literally would haunt you. If you could, if you could, when Lord willing. Oh, edit that. That is not what I meant. Wow. Okay. Eric, Becky wants to. God forbid if Eric goes before I do.

[02:05:14] If I could have a small portion of Eric to turn into a vinyl record, I would appreciate it. Because you know what? You put in that vinyl record, you're going to hear the shot that Christian Lader made in 1992. That's what's going to play. Becky could know that he feels the same way and he would put you in the Cats fight song. That's okay. I'm dead. It's better than being propped up on your sofa where he's looking at me all the time.

[02:05:42] Probably putting me in a Kentucky shirt. We could do both. I'll just give him a toe. He could, just give him a toe. He could like. I'm not having a toe. Anyway. This is such a macabre conversation. Moving on. So one of our listeners did respond to Matt and it was Alma Contreras and she said, this is a really good question. For my son, I'd go with Crystal Blue Persuasion by Tommy James and the Shandells, which for me, that song will always be associated with Breaking Bad and with Crystal Meth. So it's a funny choice.

[02:06:13] But for herself, Alma would want You Shook Me All Night Long by ACDC. Oh my gosh, that's fantastic. Which is so funny. Oh, that's great. Alma kills me. She is so funny. She is. Becky, you want to read the next one, which is also Alma? Alma says, woohoo! I found the feedback thread and we are glad you did, Alma. I'm currently watching episode one and its show did start with gangbusters.

[02:06:42] I marvel at how Charlie is a drifter but gets found so easily. So true, Alma. Yeah. OMG. It's the car. Yeah, we did discuss that, didn't we? Yeah. She goes on, OMG, the mummy zombie scene was hilarious with a crying laughing face emoji. I had forgotten how much fun this show is. I look forward to the cast. Awesome. I can't wait to get more feedback from you, Alma.

[02:07:12] I think she may mean like the different guest stars that they have every week. Yeah. Oh, I think she means the podcast. Oh, look at you abbreviating. See, Mandy and I aren't hip enough in podcast lingo yet. We are picking up what you're laying down. But I do look forward to every week seeing who. Yeah, the guest stars on this show are just phenomenal. And I love that it's almost never a huge big name. It's always some. It's a lot of character actors. Yeah, that's what I love about it. Anyway, go ahead.

[02:07:43] Tiff and Tebow says, love this show and the first episode was so good. Currently watching the second one. Love all the Easter eggs, the 80s references, the great guest actors. Love, love, love. Agreed. Tiff and. Yeah. Just tell us how you really feel. Like, don't hold back. Okay. We got an email from Kelly Shimabukuru who says, the final scene of the house on fire reminds me of two movies.

[02:08:09] Rebecca, a 1940 movie when Danny, Mrs. Danvers, sets the house on fire and she was walking around through the burning house, not trying to leave because she misses Rebecca. I think that's a Hitchcock film. It is. Yep. And then House of Wax, 1953 as the studio is burning around Vincent Price. Ah, yes. I think those are intentional. Ding, ding, ding. That's what we were talking about last week that we knew that there was some kind of film

[02:08:36] cinematic callback that they were doing there. I think she nailed it. Yeah. I think that both of those were very much in the minds of the directors and the writers when they did that. Thank you so much, Kelly, because that bothered me. But I was like, I know I know that from somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. Now, before we move on to comments on episode four, let's do Steve's voicemail about episode two. Yay, Steve. Hello, Murder Magnets. This is Steve.

[02:09:05] And okay, this is going to be for episode two of season two of Poker Face. Gosh, I just saw the title on the screen and missed it. Last looks and okay, this is some kind of a flashback, I think, right? Oh, Giancarlo Esposito and Katie Holmes and Kevin Corrigan. Wow. It's a pretty old camera she's using to take pictures with. Wait a minute. It's a TV set or a movie set. Okay. This episode was directed by Adonis Leone. Oh, the Hoppin' Stammers are a motorcycle club.

[02:09:33] I wonder if there's any kind of method acting there from Katie Holmes about being trapped in this marriage, right? Oh, that part. Bastard over the head using the blood splatter, like what's on the painting. Oh, and so they're going to clean up his own crime scene for him. And he disposes the body, but why do you throw the toothbrush in the trash? Oh, don't speak too soon, Charlie. You haven't heard from Beatrix in a few months with the five families, but I almost didn't recognize Kevin Corrigan with that big old mustache, but gosh, he is great.

[02:10:01] Yes, Greta, it is sounding creepy that you talk to the corpses that you make up, but Charlie being a corpse, interesting. Okay, that's a little morbid. Did they infuse remains into knickknacks? Oh, so that's the record he's playing at, okay. Pouring one out for the dead chihuahua. Mrs. Hammer's, what is, Mama Banshee? Hoppin' Stammer. Okay. Oh, that's right. Charlie can tell that he's lying about her leaving with the film crew. No, she hasn't said BS yet. So he just said she left with the film crew.

[02:10:31] Oh, her remains did leave with the film crew. So he technically was telling the truth. Oh, that's why the no bad, that's why he threw the toothbrush away because no batteries in the crematorium. Oh, careful, Charlie. You're talking to a possible murderer and you're giving him the whole story. Oh, so how did this guy fake this picture of Greta? Oh, of course. It was an old picture. But he's attacking Charlie now. Oh, he buried her alive? No, she's in the crematorium. Whoa. Okay. She knocked over. And now he's going to get her with a knife.

[02:11:01] What? Seven. Okay. Would it really blow up like that with just from a lighter, from a vape? Oh, and Beatrix is in the backseat. Of course, Fred's just going to, what, die in his house? Okay. Okay. On to episode three. Okay. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that Fred did indeed die in his house. I guess we'll never really circle back on that, which is okay.

[02:11:26] And the toothbrush, he threw it in the trash because if he'd put it in the fire, it would have exploded. Right. But then she goes and looks in the trash later and the toothbrush isn't in there. That was weird. It was like, I guess he remembered to do something with it. I don't know. Becky, you want to read our one Facebook comment for episode four? Yes. Matt King also wrote in for episode four and said, Episode four was so much fun.

[02:11:53] A coked up alligator supposedly eating his Barmy owner. Is it Kamal? Kamal was hilarious. I agree. When he got up on the podium and started talking, I was not expecting that brilliant Florida, Floridian accent. Yeah. That was quite good. Matt, I just want to really thank you for using Barmy in a sentence. Yeah. Excellent use of the word Barmy.

[02:12:23] Not something you hear very often. I'm going to try to work it in tomorrow and something. So we have another live Steve for episode three. Hello, Murder Magnus. This is Steve and this is me for Poker Face season two, episode three, Whack-A-Mole. Oh, one year ago. Okay. So we're not picking up right where we left off. This is going back to the last scene of season one, right? But we're seeing it from Beatrix's side of the conversation. I love it. Oh, John Mulaney's in this one. And Richard Kind.

[02:12:51] And we get the return of Simon Hilberg at some point. And now we pick up right where we left off. What is the difference between a rat and a mole? I guess a rat would be somebody from your organization who's giving you up, but a mole would be an undercover cop, right? So somebody was able to leave her a note or message in that, but can, right? About the safe house not being safe. Richard Kind, Jeffrey the husband, is not part of the crew. Oh, well. I don't know who was working with the feds, but they weren't going to let her get on that plane. Oh, did Luca just shoot?

[02:13:21] Oh, wait a minute. I bet Richard Kind is the guy. And did she just shoot Simon Hilberg's character? I had to pause it because I forgot the way this story starts is we see the beginning and it backs up to show us the story from another point of view. So here we are in some sort of FBI office. Is this guy drinking straight half and half? He's definitely the bad guy. Yeah, he's working for the gas organization. No, for Beatrix. What was the point of leaving a message if she's just going to talk to him in the convenience store? That doesn't make any sense.

[02:13:51] So it is. Jeffrey is the source. He's meeting with Simon now. Luca. Luca. It's actually kind of shocking how little you know. This guy takes bad lip reading to a new form. She calls him. She calls Luca. And you're really good at my job. Probably in thrifty clothes. It's like a rusty clarinet. Oh, but she shot Luca with his own gun, so she shot him with a blank. He was at real close range. I don't know. Oh, he swapped the bullet out. So the one that Beatrix shot into Jeffrey. Oh, that's right.

[02:14:21] She can tell lies even over the walkie. The walkie-talkie. So yeah, they just figured out that the mole is the only one who wanted Jeffrey dead. Now all of a sudden, he can read lips. Why did he need the other guy then if he's reading Charlie's lips? He's a weasel animal and possibly a snake. Charlie shot the ironing board. Okay. It's been years since I saw Prince of the City, which was about corrupt cops, I thought. So I'm not sure what that reference was meant to be about. Okay, so if Charlie's free and clear now, what's the rest of the series going to be about?

[02:14:51] It's got to be something going to go down, right? Okay, so episode four, she's going to go somewhere. And that's it. Thank you, Steve. Thank you, Steve. I can't wait to hear your thoughts on the Gator episode. So please send that in for next time. Meth Gator. I always love Steve's voice fails. I feel like we could just skip the podcast or just tell people at the beginning if you need the cliff notes. Yeah, like here's – maybe we should play them up top.

[02:15:20] Yeah, he really does. He does a great job. It's really funny. And I tried to imitate it one time just to see what it was like to create something like that, and it came out horrible. Could never do it. It's a gift. I do not have the gift of non-gab. Yeah, I would chatter and chatter and chatter in tangent. If it could be said in four words, I'm going to use 972. Nice. You would be a horrible witness on the stand. Yes. For a variety of reasons.

[02:15:51] So listeners who've written in or called in, thank you so much. We love getting your notes and your voicemails. And, you know, feel free to send in questions or comments on anything, having anything to do with Poker Face. And we would love to answer them and read them on the podcast. Thank you, Matt, for the question. I had fun thinking about that ahead of time. So give us another good one.

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[02:16:48] I want to recommend for those who are watching Dead City, The Walking Dead, Dead City, to give the cast of us a listen with Ben and Alex. They are amazing. Their chemistry is unbelievable. And they're doing a great job. So check that out. I haven't started that show yet, but I have been watching The Last of Us and the coverage there has been fantastic.

[02:17:16] I also really recommend the Star Wars TV cast for their coverage of Andor. It's really been entertaining and fun to listen to Jonathan and James this season. By the way, if you want to write to us, Jason, who runs Podcastica, set up a special email address for us. Bullshit at podcastica.com. I feel like I want to send something just because I love that name so much. That is the most classic email address ever. It's pretty delightful. Yeah.

[02:17:44] You can still send things to talk at podcastica.com, but the bullshit address is just a little extra fun. Next time we're going to be covering Season 2, Episode 5, Hometown Hero. Well, that's all for this episode. Thanks for listening. And Matt King. We know what you did, you psycho. Gator gun! Check out the link. Thank you.