14: “Sloppy Joseph“ (Poker Face S2E6)

[00:00:37] Podcastica friends hey look there's this expression right goes like this it's lonely at the top meaning everybody needs friends even you hey hey hey it's all right what's wrong it's gonna be okay it's okay you okay

[00:01:09] I want the most they act out because just want someone to like me oh shoot

[00:01:27] it's lovely at the top it's lovely at the top I'm Becky and I'm Steve and this is Murder Magnets

[00:02:19] a podcast dedicated to the Peacock original show Poker Face this episode we're covering Poker Face season two episode six Sloppy Joseph the episode was directed by Adam Arkin and written by Kate Thulin and Taya Ho so you just heard the voice of Steve who you all should recognize from

[00:02:43] his fantastic live Steve voicemails Steve welcome to the podcast thank you thank you so much for inviting me and bringing me on board I'm excited to do this and I love I love podcasting and I can't wait to talk about this episode in this this show because I love this show and Natasha Lyonne is is just amazing and just about everything she's done I think I don't I don't I didn't watch everything all of Orange is the New Black but I think I've watched just about everything else I could find

[00:03:09] of hers so yeah I've always been a big fan of hers I remember when she went through her sobering up experience and then you know started making the talk show circuit and talking about sobriety and stuff and I was so worried about her that she was gonna have a relapse you know I I it almost like she was a friend I was like god I hope Natasha just like sticks with it and because she's so talented

[00:03:34] like I knew her personally or something well she she came back with uh with gusto and I'm I'm happy for her and proud of her and Steve I'm glad that you're on to talk about this particular episode oh yeah this is a good one yeah and I'm glad I want to I want to tell you I'm glad I wasn't on last episode because I know almost zero about baseball like you guys did such a great job

[00:04:01] talking about baseball and knowing uh and Greg knowing what he knows about baseball and you guys being fans I had I was like clueless on most of the things that you heard in my voice man like how many last pitches this guy got you know so I'm just like I was really really glad I wasn't on last episode this one this one I can handle so this was perfect I uh when I first started to before

[00:04:25] the the episode had had released I started making the you know our our agenda our notes and I looked at the IMDB page for who the guest stars were and I was like oh that's a bunch of kids yeah and then I was like oh wait sloppy joe I bet she's a lunch lady at a at a school and then I was right and I was so excited I was so proud not that it's like huge intellectual leap there but I think that

[00:04:52] was I wish that is a job she would stick with for longer because she just she is the epitome of a lunch lady yeah she's great but I can understand why she left at the end of the episode oh yeah well yeah more like peeled out ah scary anyway uh without further ado let's get into the main discussion

[00:05:16] and we usually start by reading a synopsis but we have steve here and he did a live steve for us so I'm gonna play that so embarrassed hello murder madness this is steve and I'm about to watch uh sloppy joe sloppy joseph for the first time uh I may be on this podcast so this will be I'll have to watch it more times when I'm actually on the podcast though this could be very meta okay this little girl

[00:05:40] stephanie is what some kind of prodigy wait hocus pocus is a spelling bee word I don't think I can spell leprechaun off the top of my head oh this kid is not gonna take failure well oh and elijah got the stars oh david krumholz is in this one he was in numbers and also he was in serenity and we're gonna get another steve bushyme uh cameo too I think at least I'm assuming his voice okay so she rigged the box somehow right you think oh this poor rat oh oh holy howie what's that guy who used to smash

[00:06:09] the watermelons oh blood everywhere gallagher that was one right gallagher wasn't he the comic that used to smash watermelons and get everything all over the audience uh she's a sloppy joe not sloppy joseph so not the title of the episode oh she found the button on the floor okay so now we get the connection this janitor guy is elijah's dad joseph gerbils nobody sees the oh no that's bad never get out of the boat never get out of the boat that's an apocalypse now reference for those of you yeah hey even his dad doesn't believe that it was an accident come on okay no he doesn't he believes

[00:06:39] that someone sabotaged a magic trick so he knows it wasn't an accident got it she wouldn't say bs in front of the kid but she stopped herself bullshit she can tell that stephanie is lying whoa the kid just swallowed that button okay probably not a good idea calling her a demon-haired bee okay so the poker chip's coming out of her purse and stephanie is obviously blackmailing this woman oh and of course

[00:07:03] stephanie was hiding in the restroom wait that's no the gerbil hold on okay now this has gotten a little absurd oh this is a very feel-good ending i like it oh and somebody gave charlie a gold star aww with a threat from the little pig tail girl so she now has a new nemesis awesome i didn't catch the apocalypse now reference uh i've got it it's in my notes uh i'll when we

[00:07:32] when we get there i'll talk about it because it's it's it's very i i don't know if it was meant to be an apocalypse now reference the way they used it in the in the show but um i think so that seems pretty like yeah he repeated it so often just the way the guy in apocalypse now anyway okay i'll just share it now in the in apocalypse now there's a scene where the the boat mechanic gets off the boat and he gets attacked by a tiger and he runs back to the boat like like uh like martin sheen saves him

[00:07:59] and he goes back on the boat he's on the boat never get out of the boat never get out of the boat never and he just he just keeps repeating never get out of the boat he's like tiger tiger and he keeps yelling tiger so that's where that's where i thought it was coming from i didn't realize i think it must be from that um because they make a lot of references like that on the show where it's a really tiny reference yeah yeah so i thought it was i thought it was it was great and then when he when she finds the gerbil environment being a boat also i was kind of like well okay i can see that but

[00:08:27] still it's still never get out of the boat he said it no i agree i think it's a reference yeah i think so that's the absurd line when i said this is getting absurd was with the little girl yells this is socialism yeah that was so funny and then she just works out of the room and starts running and i was just like really she was in full meltdown yeah yeah it was it was a great scene so i absolutely

[00:08:54] loved it but this was a this is a great episode i really i really enjoyed it i i liked um i like the way it ended with charlie kind of moving on again uh kung fu style like you guys have kind of talked about before on here already um because i i i liked kung fu and i liked incredible hulk when i was a kid and so obviously this is this would be cool if that's kind of what she does is but we'll

[00:09:19] see we'll see how they how they do the story going forward i mean it's an eternally refreshable premise to have someone on the road all the time right you always have new scenes and settings you could explore um you just have to have a reason for them to be on the road makes sense well running away from wednesday adams it's a good one yeah let's get into our moments to die for as our guest star

[00:09:48] steve you get to go first so for me i i think the the biggest one i had was when i watched it for the second time particularly was that opening montage with showing uh stephanie and all her getting all her gold stars showing her her calligraphy uh i loved seeing the dioramas and i don't know again we talked about references i don't know that was a community reference there if you watched community you know season was it season two or season one of the seasons they did a bunch of dioramas like

[00:10:14] every week they were doing a different diorama uh so i thought that was cool uh seeing all the kids in the background being little kids being kids and her being like the super the super mature was just like it was i i loved it and then the spelling bee and we'll talk about the spelling bee later because there's more to say on that but uh uh on my second watch particularly this opening montage seeing elijah in the back of the room talking only to joseph and being like here pick a

[00:10:40] card joseph they'll me on one hand it made me feel maybe my heart kind of break for the little kid you know because he's all alone but then also because it was my second watch i knew how it was going to end so i knew that they all come together being friends again at least everybody except stephanie because she's a little turd but wait did i say that out loud no but anyway uh so so yeah for me that that opening montage of of seeing all the different cards and then seeing uh charlie's card

[00:11:08] and what did it say uh i'm charlie kale and i like being truthful or something like that um oh i don't remember oh i didn't see that yeah i i want to go back and watch it again because that honor the whole honor pledge that she was supposed to sign had something about i'm charlie kale and it was this this this yeah she had to promise to be truthful yeah and i thought that was that was great because that's her whole thing is being is telling the truth so yeah she's definitely a truth finder and

[00:11:32] a truth teller yeah uh becky what was your moment to die for my moment to die for is a little off the wall um but i it like it's just what stands out to me with this whole episode is the uh david krumelts is that how you say his name i think so when he popped on the screen i had to pause and have a

[00:11:57] moment of silence for lucy with er um he's the guy that played if you watched er that played paul sabricki who stabs lucy and carter yeah and i'm so grateful he played a nice lovable person in this because my first thought was no i'll be honest i didn't even recognize him i said when i saw him

[00:12:23] in the credits and then didn't because he had that mustache and everything his hair was was so much kind of he's got that widow's peak going now because i mean we get older we start to lose our hair a little bit and it's but yeah so i didn't recognize him at all because i've known him from numbers and then serenity where he has this yeah he was great in serenity uh flowing locks of hair so it's so funny because i looked you know i was like okay i know him from these things but i you know

[00:12:49] i looked at his imdb page and i was like he was in slums of beverly hills but i thought that the guy who was in the funeral home episode was in slums of beverly hills did i get them mixed up and get that wrong no they're both in slums of beverly hills so and one of them played her brother but i think maybe the other one played someone she was dating i haven't seen that movie in a long time but it's very good if you haven't seen it it's quite funny and it has alan arkin as the father who is the father

[00:13:17] of adam arkin who directed this episode okay thank you i always because i see that name come up all the time and i think alan arkin is the name that pops in my head i go no that's not who this person is it's good to know they're they're related so that's cool yeah they're father and son adam arkin you might know from chicago hope he did like something like 120 episodes of chicago he sure did

[00:13:41] um yeah and a bunch of other things my favorite adam arkin role is he was the psychiatrist on west wing who's a ptsd specialist there was a whole ptsd storyline that i really enjoyed on west on west wing that show was so good i binged it last earlier this year last year for the first time watching it and oh your first time oh my gosh i've never watched it i'm gonna have to add it on my list

[00:14:06] oh you need to and you mentioned you hadn't seen orange is the new black yeah in a while yeah i watched the first few seasons um i don't i just don't remember finishing it ever finishing it so i think it just kind of fell off my radar it kind of fell off my radar and well if you've seen the first season you've seen the best but if you got time at some point to finish it i recommend that all right so my moment yeah my moment to die for was again i'm picking

[00:14:36] the ending i thought you know i really was enjoying the ending montage where they showed everybody like you know their lives improving and and you know the principal goes to gamblers anonymous and all that stuff and i was like oh this is nice the show doesn't usually have such a like happy kind of ending and then this the gold star on charlie's um dashboard i was like wait a minute that seems

[00:15:01] suspicious and then the reveal of when i grow up i will find you in like perfect cursive and then the shot of stephanie just standing there like a children of the corn child like glaring at charlie i thought was so funny and then charlie's look of like abject horror as she like puts the car in gear and skids out of the parking lot i just thought it was a fantastic way to end the episode just the

[00:15:29] way that this episode spent the entire time sort of bordering on the absurd right like it was just right up against the edge of what was ridiculous and sort of enjoyed living in that moment and i i thought the ending was a perfect cap to it yeah and great music to make great music choice for that scene was awesome so let's get into our main discussion and steve you get to pick our first

[00:15:58] topic oh well let me see what i've got a lot of different things on here um i want to okay this is something that didn't occur to me until the second watch um and i started this note with didn't all the little didn't all the girls have the same buttons on their uniforms so how how would this one button and her missing that button be the clue but then as i watched it the second time i really started to

[00:16:23] realize we have seen charlie's um investigative skills her deductive skills and her interrogation skills really just go off the charts over these last two seasons and we see it culminate it i think in this episode with with her doing this investigation you know she finds the button just a random button on the floor and doesn't think anything of it at the time and then she does the the further investigation

[00:16:53] turns out she finds out about all the stars that the the kids had stephanie and elijah were were rivals and then she does that investigation with the computer where she's like she digs in and goes okay let me find the photo you know find the why was this kid running back and forth and and then she goes to interrogate the principal about it and she talks to the principal and she finds she um uh oh wait but first she talks

[00:17:22] to the girl first and she and i realized i was reversed in it she asked the girl first if she sabotaged the trick figured out it was a lie and then she used the button to confirm what she had learned in her not being able to tell the you know being able to spot a lie kind of thing she's she's getting better at investigating but not getting better at being safe when she confronts well yeah

[00:17:50] and actually gathering the proof and actually keeping hold of the proof because when she goes the principal you know she lays the whole thing out for the principal and but she has no proof she she can't prove anything with what she's just said she oh she has motive she had opportunity and and here's here's the reason why and here's why i think so well then the principal then she's then she just just out of the blue the principal's like well don't ask me about my friendship bracelet or she like you can tell

[00:18:15] that that charlie knows she's being deceptive about something and then she keys in on the friendship bracelet bracelet bracelet bracelet and is like you know well why don't you want me to ask you about the friendship bracelet and of course then it progresses on from there but i just that's i i thought it's so impressed me this episode with just how her skills as an investigator and putting putting clues

[00:18:40] together and making deductions uh has really has really gotten because again that button could have been just a random button that some kid lost you know yeah but when she keys in on the fact that that girl was missing one so it's she is incredibly observant in addition to having this truth sense ability that she has she's really good at noticing you know absence of things or changes in things

[00:19:08] and patterns it's a it's an additional gift that isn't really stressed on the show very much but i don't think i would i mean i might pick up a button from the floor but i don't think i would notice that one particular kid was missing a button i probably would notice that she was missing a button but i love that they made a small child the toughest opponent that charlie's had yet yeah

[00:19:36] and whoever played that kid did she was so good phenomenal yeah yeah the kid acting all around in this was really good i thought elijah was really good but the kid who really impressed me was the like computer genius kid who shouldn't have sugar i thought his whole thing was so entertaining his whole stick his whole stick of him and just spinning around in the chair and everything was just was i don't know if that was a stage direction given to him or they're just they told him hey act

[00:20:05] board and he was like here's how i would act board and he would just yeah and then at the end when he's like i love elijah so much i'm gonna give him all my stars like that kid he's just a standout i loved him stephanie of course was from was fantastic she was so like believably horrid and

[00:20:28] it's so difficult to be the straight man in a comedy yeah and and i think that's so i i love what she did there because she was able to have all these these absurd things until she finally has her meltdown and you know she breaks down but she's she stayed straight through the whole the whole thing even when she tried to con charlie with her whole fake cry and uh and lying about about not wanting friends you know oh god that was hilarious it's lovely at the top it's lovely at the top yeah

[00:20:58] rat oh my god it got me thinking about uh i've definitely we've definitely seen this kind of kid in fiction before right like the over ambitious overachiever like you know rule follower prim whatever and as the best version i think is tracy flick in election played by reese witherspoon yes it's an absolutely brilliant film that when i was thinking about it i was like still slang should

[00:21:24] cover election that would be a good fit for us um and then i was also thinking about miranda cosgrove in school of rock she wasn't nearly as mean as stephanie but she had that same kind of like i'm the best in the class and what i say goes and i know the rules and you don't know the rules kind of thing going on uh there was also an episode of bones where that that was a murder that happened at a little kid beauty pageant that had these kind of characters these like super competitive overachiever

[00:21:53] little girls that were kind of terrifying it's a trope i like it made me think of the i don't know either of y'all have ever read any dean coot's novels but uh he's got a book called the voice of the night where about the two little boys and one of the little boys is you find out is absolute evil uh that's who she reminded me of i have not read that one that's one of the few i have i have a lot

[00:22:21] of dean coot's i'm a huge dean coot's fan or at least i was i mean in the the 90s going into the early aught yeah huge dean coot's fan and read a whole book that particular one i don't think i read but i have a lot my hideaway is one of my favorite books of all and uh the book not the movie the the jeff goldberg movie was not terrible but uh but the book is outstanding and uh the good guy in fact i'm looking up my shelf seeing my stack of dean coot's novels up there right now dragon tears

[00:22:50] all the really good books so well check out the voice of the night it's my favorite it's my i got two favorite books out there and that is one of them so you'll really i do like an evil little kid story which is good because i watch supernatural a lot and they go to the evil little kid well over over and over again that show loves an evil child it's um it's pretty great

[00:23:19] i want to visit a little bit with charlie and her relationship with good buddy yes he's sort of like her conscience or something you know like the greek chorus he sort of comments on her life gives her like a little bit of cryptic advice and then that's it um this week it was distrust of the government because of the honor pledge and he said don't underestimate the scope

[00:23:43] of the modern indoctrination industrial complex that was pretty funny she calls him bukowski and that i assume is a reference to the writer charles bukowski i i don't associate him with distrust of the government so much as alcoholism and mistreatment of women but i have not read a lot of bukowski because the bukowski i read was not to my taste so i don't know if that's uh if he's like an

[00:24:12] anti-government kind of guy but then she's like i she thinks that the the structure will be a nice change which i do think is something that she's craving and then she said escape pism get out of the world of men and back in the world of kids get some of that childlike wonder that love that trust that a whole anti-diluvian era of innocence and honesty um so she's got this idea that children are

[00:24:38] wholesome and innocent and and that she'll somehow be able to capture you know childlike wonder which i think charlie does a pretty good job of on her own when she's constantly being sort of awed by things her use of anti-diluvian was anti-diluvian was pretty funny that means before noah's flood so that's like a really long time ago for this era of innocence and honesty to have happened

[00:25:03] and then good buddy comes back with like have you met kids basically yeah like you've obviously never spent any time with kids yeah like good luck with that uh let me know how it goes and um i uh i like this conceit they have of charlie having this voice on the radio this sort of anonymized

[00:25:25] you know disembodied entity that she confides in and gets advice from it's a it's a nice narrative conceit that allows them to sort of drop in like foreshadowing and themes without having charlie being forced to say a lot of exposition and stuff it's i think it works narratively yeah i'm enjoying i'm enjoying i love steve ishimi as an actor and i can't wait to i don't know if we're gonna actually

[00:25:53] meet him uh in person uh this season or not but uh whether we do or not it's it's been great he's been a great addition to to the show i agree yeah i do like how at the end she's like yeah you were right i don't know anything about it so it's not it was not the right the right call but i love that we you

[00:26:17] know we don't know what job she has until she's behind the the lunch line and i just have written in bold letters she's the lunch lady and the kid looks tired he's like you look tired yeah just move along move along kid no one is more honest than little kids they they will just say things to your face that hurt your feelings so bad but like you can't get angry at them because

[00:26:45] they're just being honest they'll be like why do you have a big wrinkle there like thanks thank you i feel great now one one little kid one time uh hugged me and then he went why do you have such a big belly and smacked me on my belly oh yeah and his parents were like oh like horrified

[00:27:09] two little boys that uh well they're grown grown now one just graduated high school um one was uh at baseball practice and i had the youngest in my lap he was i don't know probably four and he was facing me and he was like you have a hair on your chin oh thanks and there's another

[00:27:33] one and there's another one and the mom's sitting around or cackling and i just picked him up and turned around like how about you watch your brother practice baseball and pointing out all my chin ears yeah honesty but like when you get a compliment from a kid they mean it so my neighbor across the hall

[00:27:58] uh several years ago had i had a neighbor who had two little kids and uh i got to be sort of friendly with the kids and one time the little girl when she was about six told me she really liked my outfit and when a six-year-old girl tells you they like your outfit they really mean it like that's not politeness i love i have never felt so stylish in my life

[00:28:25] i love you know i always when a kid tells you they love you it's like the most genuine unconditional love out there because they have no reason to you know they just like you said they're just mostly always honest and they mean it and then it's just that love love getting that love from all the kids in my world yeah i yeah i love me some little kids they are a lot of fun uh that sounded a little creepy

[00:28:54] it did i'm glad you said that out loud because i was thinking and i was like yeah i don't know if i'd say it that way yeah let me rephrase that i uh i'm a very dedicated auntie and i really enjoy not only my nieces and nephews but like their friends and stuff too i just think they're really they're a trip to hang out with same that's where i'm at too i don't have any kids of my own so i have just poured all my

[00:29:20] love into my own nieces and nephews and then the god kids around me and i just watch them growing up of course all mine are older now and it's a whole different whole different world but you know they're 16 17 18 and one is in his mid-20s but they still want time with aunt becky and that just i think that means even more than when they were little like oh you're 16 and you still

[00:29:49] want to hang out you want to come meet my girlfriend and the kids yes yeah they're the best i yeah can't get enough of hanging out with little kids um uh i think we're back to steve um yeah let me see what i've got um

[00:30:13] this is a quick one but it's i'm looking at my notes i'm trying to see uh uh the the the two gerbils at the end when when they have the fake uh the the fake joseph did he have a collar on his neck he had like a bandage okay i wanted to be i was like that might be the cutest thing i've ever seen well then they were like having marital relations there in the gerbil case that's not your gerbil husband yeah

[00:30:43] just i was just like when i heard that especially the second watch i was just like oh my goodness i didn't catch that oh god so funny uh just and that whole thing of that ending you kind of mentioned it already penny but that this the ending of the idea that kids can you can kids are eventually well some i guess some kids are are good you know in that when you when you give them because i'm assuming what happened is the teacher um and charlie or the teacher went to them and said hey

[00:31:12] we want to we want to make stephanie look bad i don't know maybe they they did it they did a common enemy of stephanie or something they just said we want to make elijah feel better and it wasn't his fault what happened with joseph we know now that somebody else messed up the trick and how can we make him feel better and then kids get on board with that kind of stuff okay that that that makes sense to me i'm just trying to figure out how they kind of made a turnaround there

[00:31:39] i doubt they said like let's all vilify stephanie i think that would be a lawsuit okay yeah but i'm with you because that whole that when we talked you mentioned earlier penny about that border the this episode bordering on absurdity that whole part was just it was so i don't know i had a hard time buying that and i i went back and forth like you steve i'm like what how because they you know in the

[00:32:08] last scene somebody said is elijah's name and the kids start you know gagging or whatever um so it's like how did they make that turnaround and in my head they the teacher did come and say look we want to make an example out of stephanie so we need y'all to get on board because that's the only way that makes sense that they really would have rallied around charlie or elijah that that that to that extent because

[00:32:34] that was over the top welcome back kind of thing i believed i believed it because i have a feeling that the kids helped her set up turning the whole room into a boat and so by the time they were done preparing and they all had those gerbil ears on and stuff like their initial like oh yeah we can make elijah feel more at home had become like a group project that they were all excited about yeah that's fair i can get on board with that because they didn't well we don't we don't have

[00:33:03] any evidence of them actually turning on stephanie we just have stephanie's reaction i don't think they could have probably right penny yeah i don't think they could have done that i think it's more they all got on board with let's make elijah this was an accident we know that he didn't mean to do it you know let's let's make him feel better kind of thing yeah and then the one kid just got carried away in the moment right i love elijah so much like that's just that's where i got a moment kid that's where

[00:33:28] i was like that kid has a dhd and he just got really excited in the moment i want to give him all my stars give her all my yeah that's that's oh my god it was so cute i also loved the moment when i don't remember what the context was but charlie somebody's like kids oh i think it's when the teacher is telling charlie like kids at this age are kind of funny they're not they're not in puberty yet but like they kind of know what's coming but they're still little kids and then charlie looks around the

[00:33:57] room and the kids are like a lot of them just have like plastic buckets on their heads some are crawling on the floor and she's sort of like yes i see yes they are children this is a good reminder like there was something about that moment that really got me i thought it was so cute um i also loved miss d trying to help elijah by giving him magic related spelling yeah i had that in my notes i was like i was like oh that's that's cute that she's doing that but at

[00:34:25] the same time i was like the kids aren't are the kids going to figure out that you know maybe they're not smart enough to figure out that that like abracadabra that's not a word um it's an onomatopoeia onomatopoeia onomatopoeia she said it is a word times i was like um but uh yeah i i that was that was one of those parts that i was i was like i thought it was great the teacher did that but at

[00:34:50] the same time i was kind of like is that kind of like pandering to i mean i know she said he has potential and she just wanted to give him a win so i think it's kosher because like i think every teacher especially a teacher who's in an elite private school has the bandwidth or not bandwidth but like sort of the mandate to wherever possible personalize the learning experience for the kids and

[00:35:16] the the strengths and weaknesses that she sees right it's like the same thing with like putting um elijah in charge of feeding the gerbils because like he likes being with the animals and it gives them something to do that he can feel like he's accomplishing so you know throwing him a spelling b word that he's gonna know that doesn't hurt anyone and it you know i i don't know if she was trying to rig it so he would win she didn't have any reason to believe stephanie couldn't spell the

[00:35:43] word abracadabra you know like that was just yeah that was a little luck that was another one of those things that just yeah like you said just luck that she didn't that was a word she just had never studied or didn't think of as a real word so yeah i like i like i like the and she was also if i'm not mistaken i don't know the actress's name but she was also in orange is the new black yes uh adrian more big big

[00:36:09] reunion there yeah i'd like to we'll keep seeing um i think we're gonna keep seeing orange is the new black alums on this show and i really hope i cannot remember the actor's name but the um actor who played who plays moira on handmaid's tale i hope that they find somewhere to put her in poker face because she is so good she was so good in orange is the new black and she was amazing

[00:36:33] in handmaid's tale and i would love to see her in this who say was her name on orange is the new black right yeah she was delightful samira wiley no yeah yes i think that's right i think that's right uh anyway i liked miss d a lot but i have to say i don't approve of the gold star competition chart

[00:36:58] on the wall i know that that kind of thing happens in a lot of classrooms and i think making it so public like that is you're sort of bound to end up with some unhealthy competitiveness among well especially when you have one one particular kid who's not just not just an overachiever but is a

[00:37:21] is a good at everything overachiever yeah you know um when you have one kid who's just so she was so far above everybody else that you're you're all it's almost like i wonder if she was inventing ways for other kids to get more stars like 20 points for the winning of for the the winning spelling bee or or however many points we don't i don't think she said how many stars they get for the uh talent

[00:37:47] show 30 for the talent show 30 there you go so uh it's a lot i yeah i think those charts can be you know that you can motivate kids with them but it can also just be like a really unhealthy environment yeah i could see that i could i could see that yeah i think it can work both ways i think it is a good motivator to see your successes you know as you learn things and especially

[00:38:17] at that age you know a kid comes home with a i got a star today you know it's i like that teachers do that as a motivating factor to give them confidence and make them feel good but i do agree that with when you have an overachiever that takes away from other kids having the opportunity to get those gold stars it could cause some there's a big difference in my mind between you know every kid

[00:38:47] that gets a hundred on their test gets a gold star on the paper and putting a chart up on the wall yeah the wall chart the kids are looking at that all day every day being like oh no i have the least amount of stars you know it's just uh it reminds me of uh my law firm used to send a monthly report around

[00:39:13] with the associates and the number of hours they build in the prior month and would rank them by the number of hours we had built and all it ever did was stress me out um i i hated it and i resented the list so i think i had a little bit of a personal trigger from the gold star chart there i can understand yeah fair

[00:39:43] i had a couple little things that i noticed that i hadn't ever noticed before uh and just because watching it multiple times um charlie has a tattoo on her left shoulder i couldn't tell exactly what it was it looked like a uh some sort of a maybe a i don't know just like a musical note or it was something but it was kind of on like either a snake or a something i've noticed it before and i think

[00:40:13] it's a snake but now i need to go and look at the episode again and check um the other thing is she wears vests all the time so we should be able to completely see her arms yeah um the other thing was i noticed that she wears she wears a digital watch um on her left wrist and she wears it upside down and also it might be dead the battery might be dead because there was blank the face was blank when she was holding that gold star i don't know why i noticed that on the second watch uh when she was

[00:40:42] holding the gold star but i just happened to to see that i thought that was interesting i thought that's an interesting way to so it's more of a bracelet that looks like a watch yeah exactly exactly um and and the the billboard the the did you see the blackboard that had the life expectancy of animals yes i missed that how morbid is that like they're telling these kids this is how long these these

[00:41:08] animals are gonna and they were divided into like like under three years and then three to 50 years and i was like what a weird way to define that okay that is a little bit morbid but i guess maybe they were studying that in science class uh and plus they had gerbils so they wanted to make sure the kids understood that hey these gerbils aren't going

[00:41:32] to be here in three years you know or three months or three months or whatever however long i don't have a personal experience they last one night oh no we got pet gerbils when i was like i don't know like six and uh everybody we are all really excited about it and then the next morning i woke up really early and i went downstairs to look at the gerbils and they were uh belly up oh no and uh

[00:41:59] my sister for years would say i can still remember your scream that's straight out of a horror movie that's wild yeah they didn't last we also had uh suicide fish we've we've had a lot of we had a lot of pets growing up we always had lots of pets and um you know when you have a lot of pets

[00:42:22] you're gonna have some dead pets and uh yeah i have some stories rabbits didn't fare well in our house what did you guys think about um charlie's confrontation scenes with stephanie there were basically three there's like the merry-go-round one the bathroom one and then the janitor office one

[00:42:49] my top quotes from this episode came from those interactions and you know i like how charlie when she first you know confronted her on the merry-go-round and she's interrogating her she's she actually is aware that she is talking to a small kid she's not going at it like she does

[00:43:17] with the adults which i think was a very grown up or not grown up but very uh what's the word appropriate yeah appropriate but self-aware um charlie doesn't always seem to be self-aware so i thought that was in you know centering herself when she starts to say bullshit instead she says bullshoot but uh when she's interrogating her and she's you know trying to

[00:43:44] trying to get on her level and she says i can see that you're a gifted kid and believe it or not i'm a little gifted too and stephanie says at what smelling like wet beef so me i almost died and then uh when she you know even when she's in the bathroom and she's

[00:44:07] realizing that this kid is basically untouchable and you know uh stephanie is like well what are you going to do about it and charlie says a force greater than me is coming for you stephanie said the police and charlie said puberty that's good i had another thought on that does that kid just hang out in the bathroom hoping to catch

[00:44:31] somebody saying some blackmail material for her i thought about that and i think that she was tailing charlie because she knew charlie was trying to bring her down okay and she knows you know i mean she obviously is following uh what's the principal dr ham uh around because she's got you know her with a stethoscope under surveillance yeah that was i loved that that was such a kid

[00:45:02] moment for charlie when she was describing you know because she was such a fascination with that lady's name and oh dr ham yeah and then she's like reminds me of a was it cartoon pig wearing a stethoscope and then jv just looks at her like she's crazy um i loved i loved seeing her interact with

[00:45:24] this child and trying to keep herself in check that she's talking to a child but also hating that child because that child is pure evil she just i loved seeing her try to balance that and i think she did a great job yeah and i liked the progression of her facial expressions as she's talking to the kid where she's like oh maybe i can talk this kid into doing the right thing and then she's like oh no

[00:45:52] she's worse than i thought and then in the bathroom she's like she's even worse than i thought like again yeah it's just the door and hits her bait as uh is this the first episode where no one has died where no human has yeah i think so yeah because i i wrote that in my notes to where when uh when the the teacher first tells uh charlie what happened i can't remember exactly what the teacher says but

[00:46:18] charlie's line back to her is wait jb's kid killed another kid yeah she automatically defaults to charlie automatically defaults to somebody being murdered in her presence because there's been so many murders that have happened around her that automatically when somebody dies she's like wait yeah well no the gerbil when the episode opens and it like starts to show stephanie as this like

[00:46:44] overachiever little demon child i was like oh no are we gonna have a kid murderer like oh i hope not yeah i was like that's dark i don't know if i could take it and then as the you know episode unfolds i'm like okay okay she only murdered a gerbil i can live with this like it's not that dark see uh mandy called me today we were talking and she was talking about how much she liked this episode

[00:47:12] and she said she said something about the gerbil dying and i said i find it i prefer it when it's you know a human death on the tv versus i i felt worse for the gerbil than i have for the other characters that we lost most of the people that have been murdered kind of a little bit at least had it coming you know well that's not completely true because like katie holmes's character she didn't do

[00:47:40] anything wrong no but i was just glad that i didn't have to see a child murder somebody else right or a child get murdered yeah yeah yeah i was more scared that there was a good a child that was going to get murdered is what i was at when it's when it opened the way it did i thought it was just going to be a

[00:48:05] silly mystery i didn't think i didn't think it was actually when i saw it was in a school i didn't think it was going to actually involve a death at all so when joseph got smashed that was i was like oh okay so that's our that's our mystery yeah yeah and i i had to i had to go through on the second watch i had to figure out i realized what what happened because it was it confused me a little bit when

[00:48:30] she's in the janitors and she's examining the the trick you know she she finds the hole on top she finds the the wire and then when she goes down to lift the the box up and look at it that's when i realized she was looking to see if there was anything like on the bottom like if if the like i think she was checking to see if there was no bottom on the box or if there was another hole there she wanted to figure out how to sabotage it right and i i didn't figure that out until this it took me the second watch

[00:48:58] to realize that was how she figured out how to sabotage all she's got to do is is turn it upside down because the the wire would be in the same place on the box no matter what whether which whether which side was up or down so yeah i do love it wasn't until second watch that i realized that she used the picture intentionally to distract elijah so she could flip the box without him noticing it

[00:49:25] and i was like that is that is and diabolical like yeah oh my god your talents are wasted kid you should join the cia yeah geez except for her scholar seek google search where she's she starts typing how to murder a boy and then adds the s self-esteem i was like oh we'll play we'll play that was funny i forgot

[00:49:53] about that that was a good way to mess with our expectations yeah yeah there was a bunch of visual moments in the episode that i thought were really fantastic like first of all the whole first section that was all kids point of view was all shot from from their eye level and the adults were like peanuts adults where even though you could hear what they were saying like you didn't see any of their faces they were just legs basically and uh i just enjoyed that like it was a complete kid's

[00:50:22] story at that point and we were totally at their level and then the when elijah you know kills the gerbil accidentally um the camera being his point of view and the blood splattering away from the camera onto the audience i thought was just an amazing cinematographic choice of like just gross and creepy and blood splattery and like just exceptional uh photography there and then my favorite though is when

[00:50:52] dr ham leaves the bathroom and then we slowly see stephanie's feet come down to that one stall and you're like oh she's there she's been there the whole time like you know get it away like she's just evil yeah yeah there was some good the camera work in this show is is really is excellent most of the time so yeah they do some really nice things with

[00:51:17] the camera well i just appreciate it yeah it's kind of like when they bring that and it didn't catch me until the second time watching it because i think i was i must have blinked or something but uh when they when they bring in that cake and that's got uh r.i.p joseph on it and charlie goes to cut into it she cuts into it at like his neck yeah and it has like raspberry filling sort of yeah some sort of red raspberry filling comes out of it and like i can only i can only wonder that the kids must have

[00:51:46] been like gathered around the cake watching because you all you hear is all these kids go oh oh in horror you know horrifying awesome what a poor choice any cake that had a picture of the gerbil on it was gonna have to have the gerbil get cut up like yeah exactly i was like i was like this seems like wrong someone made a bad decision here that always makes me laugh with people who get the

[00:52:12] cakes with their face or somebody else's face on it like you're just basically slicing up your face but to be honest cake is cake put whatever you want on it i'm still gonna eat it i love a photo cake i there's something about it that is so unbelievably corny that it makes me really happy and i will get one at any excuse i'm like oh i know what we need for this party a face cake like i just get really excited

[00:52:40] about it uh it's hard to find bakeries that do them i've had to call around a lot like there's a special machine and apparently it breaks down a lot so you can't always get a face cake when you want a face cake but i find them hilarious but it is always funny that you're like oh i'll just cut right here into your eyeball yeah um we had one for my brother's uh phd graduation uh his wife got some

[00:53:06] baby pictures from my mom and used one of those it was really great oh oh so you cut you you ate the baby well when he blew out the candles he spit all over the cake so actually i didn't eat any of it it was not a clean blow as they say so i was like no cake for me thanks i might have just scraped off the icing and still gone i freaking love cake man

[00:53:33] yeah there's uh what cake now the whole tradition of like blowing out the candles on the cake that then everyone's supposed to eat is kind of gross like i i feel like with covid we all should have stopped that tradition like well do that anymore yeah a friend of mine uh this was post-covid but when we go celebrate usually go around my birthday to huntsville albama to visit them and she got me a fan

[00:54:01] and i used the fan to blow out so you still get to make your wish and blow out the candles but instead i've you know used to like the hand fan church fans uh to blow it out so that's kind of been the thing from now on um so i like that instead of but yeah but you think if we've been i mean i i feel like all of our immune systems are better for being young children that ate birthday cakes for years with

[00:54:30] kids blowing their germs all over them can i talk about jb yeah let's talk about jb yeah i think i had any notes on him so once i got past him being paul sabrici i loved him i loved how sweet you know it's oftentimes in shows like this

[00:54:57] or in shows in general it's usually the mom who gets the lovey-dovey feature moment and i'm glad that they gave you know this single dad who's doing his best to take care of his kid after his mom died and that he's working as a janitor being demeaned um at this you know winky fingers prestigious school

[00:55:21] to make sure his kid gets you know what he considers the the best education uh encouraging him with his magic trick and then charlie being sweet going over there to check on him and she says um he's venting not venting well venting i guess about work being worried about his kid and and what

[00:55:46] happened and how it's gonna affect him and charlie says don't kids forget everything like 12 seconds after it happens something about too much water in their brains and jb says i think you're thinking of goldfish yeah they had good chemistry together um and i'm glad she did not penny you talked about last week them making her hitting on guys a thing i'm glad they didn't go there yeah it was that in this

[00:56:13] episode because it was more of a buddy's relationship yeah they had developed a little bit of buddy ship at work and then she cemented it by going over there it was a lovely scene and they made him caring loving thoughtful but not cloying or overdone like he hit this really perfect note of this like concerned dad who would do anything for his kid but he wasn't like hovering over the kid and he wasn't

[00:56:41] like my baby boy would never hurt a jerk like he was it was a really lovely middle ground that he occupied and i was like i really want this this guy and his kid to be okay like yeah well yeah when he brings him back to the school like he's encouraging him you know like oh it'll be fine just just go in there like every other day and don't you know don't let it don't let it get you i thought it was really i thought yeah really great and then at the end getting to see him giving him the wand you know

[00:57:08] to tell him your your magic tricks and he had that magic hat on too and then he put when he you the man put a tie on with his janitor uniform and went in to watch that talent show i was like i love you jv that was just he was my favorite character he was really cute he says to charlie kids live in a different world than we do and it's a lot bigger and it's a lot louder and it's a lot

[00:57:35] meaner it's a jungle down there yeah i have to say i agree with that you know if kids have a great childhood and their parents are wonderful and loving and they have all the things they've ever wanted and they don't have any trauma like that's great but i think a lot of kids at some point encounter trauma whether it's because of the family they're in or just something bad happens to them you know who

[00:58:04] knows like a car accident or a kid that they know dies or whatever trauma happens to little kids and i think adults forget that childhood isn't just like char like a lot of people are like charlie they think little kids are like it's all about like playing ball and like dolls right like they forget that kids have darkness that happens that they have to deal with

[00:58:30] yeah yeah it's not just one kid whose mom died like lots of kids deal with some kind of darkness and and they're they remember more than you think they do they hear more than you think they do and they worry more than you think they do like it's a hard life being a little kid you don't have any control over your environment can i tell a story that adds to the difficulties of being a little kid and has to do with sloppy joes

[00:58:57] absolutely so and i'm sorry for everyone who's getting ready to have to hear this but um i have a nickname and if any of you all call me that i will find you like stephanie said when i grow up i will find you so my dad has called me bruce since i was like four years old and okay the reason is it's cheesy story but

[00:59:22] we were sitting having dinner one night and mom made sloppy joes and if you've eaten with me you know i am i'm gonna end up wearing a good 20 to 30 percent of what i'm eating at some point and so i had gotten the sloppy joe all around my face and my dad looks at me he's like you look like you have a goatee he's

[00:59:45] like i'm gonna start calling you bruce and he did and i'm 48 years old and the man still calls me bruce and when i hear him say my he would say my name becky or rebecca i was like i am in so much trouble because he always called me bruce and mom was like we need to make it a little more girly so she still i'm 48 years old calls me lucy bruce and that sticks with you man how do you feel about that

[01:00:15] like is that a cute memory for you or is that a bullying memory for you no it's it uh to be honest my i had a difficult uh relationship with my dad growing up we're in a better place now but he he didn't at the long story short he wasn't very kind to me growing up so at the time it felt

[01:00:42] like bullying but now i look back on it and and have a chuckle and see it as just uh just one of those funny moments the fact that they still call me that today um yeah his way of yeah um it's complicated right like relationships with parents yes yeah very um i uh don't remember

[01:01:07] ever having a sloppy joe at a school cafeteria i remember having them at like at home but i don't remember them ever being served at school did you guys have them yep i i don't remember i remember hamburgers and hot dogs being served square pizza i don't i don't yeah i remember pizza i don't i don't remember if i ever now that you say that penny i i don't know if i ever because yeah i don't know if i remember somebody scooping something out and dropping it on my

[01:01:36] my plate like that or picking it up out of a of a case i just feel like they wouldn't have risked such a messy food in a cafeteria environment with so many kids at one time like it's one thing for a parent to supervise like two or three kids with sloppy joes but like 300 kids with sloppy joes just seems like a disaster waiting to happen yeah it seems like a lot of mess to have to clean up

[01:01:59] but it is stereotypical cafeteria food i don't recall having them in elementary school but we did have them in junior high and high school i think well by that time you can be trusted to not make a huge mess with your food unless you're doing it very intentionally unless you're me and where 25 to 30

[01:02:19] when eating it see now i want sloppy joes square pizza and cake yeah i pretty much always want cake i know well we are recording at dinner time so it's yeah i did eat right before but a little while before because i was like i don't want to be getting hungry yeah what'd you have i had pot stickers from

[01:02:45] teriyaki madness nice yeah i've never got ramen for later yum yeah did she give the kid the principal's bracelet there at the end was that yes she did the principal and now put it on the kid the you are mine yes okay yeah that was what i that was my runner-up moment to die for was the way she was like shake on it and then instead of shaking her hand she put the bracelet on her i was like that's

[01:03:14] mean and probably the only language that stephanie understands i've got a couple of quotes but then i've got just a couple of um just little small notes to cool before we wrap up so first one is just want to give a shout out to margo martindale who played principal ham yeah she she's been in so much amazing stuff

[01:03:40] but i loved her as the records keeper on dexter and that's right that's her yeah i forgot yeah i loved her in season two of justified if you have wasn't she justified also yeah she was a mom right she was yeah she was like the matriarch of a crime family yeah yeah in the katevver season like and the two of them together were amazing yeah that's where i know caitlin deaver from that's why gosh

[01:04:08] you're right i've been watching her on the cast of i i mean she's only been briefly on the cast of the last of us very brief but i was just like how do i know that name and you that was the girl from justified okay when they're going through at the end and they're writing the awards or whatever on the chalkboard and it's they write best mutually assured destruction and it's stephanie having to

[01:04:35] shred her evidence against dr ham and um dr ham having to delete the photo of her stephanie trying to set up jb's or elijah's dad yeah i thought that was so funny that was great i loved it yeah i love the best charlie best charlie yeah and that's when she gets the gold star right

[01:04:58] or sees the gold star yeah the ominous gold star i did want to point out that early in the episode the music that we got was a song spitfire by the prodigy that i thought was a really nice fit for a evil child storyline i thought that was really good and then the song at the end i wasn't familiar with but it was basically like if something good is happening to you pass it along and i was like well that's a nice philosophy on life there was that whole movie pay it forward and yes that's the same idea

[01:05:30] uh nobody talks about that movie pay it forward anymore and i have a feeling it's because kevin spacey is uh problematic yeah i don't know that i've ever seen it it's hailey joe osmond right yeah it's it's decent it's not bad it's fine anybody got any more favorite quotes i do if that's okay go for it

[01:05:53] first one is the when they're they're doing the spelling bee and the girl's giving the word leprechaun and she just screams why and starts crying and walks away i can't blame her that's a hard word i i think i think in my voicemail i said i don't think i can spell the word leprechaun you did yeah

[01:06:16] and then um principal ham comes down to the basement and asks them to empty their pockets and charlie says you can't be serious and dr ham says don't i look like i'm serious and charlie says well yeah perpetually that's good and then stephanie's card for uh joseph is i'm so sorry elijah

[01:06:42] murdered you oh god so mean this is so funny and then charlie uh last one charlie gets page to the principal's office and she says i'm a grown-ass man why why did that just make me terrified

[01:07:06] great episode all around yeah all right we're gonna take a little break and be back with some news now all the angry food just leave me alone and we all live together in a happy heart thanks to sloppy joe slap sloppy joe yeah sloppy joe slap sloppy joe slap sloppy joe slap sloppy joe

[01:07:36] we're back and we just have a little bit of news this week the first thing i wanted to say is that although all the nielsen ratings are not out yet that the first three episodes of season two that launched on may 8th were a top five original title across all streaming services so the show is doing

[01:07:58] great i think that bodes well for a season three pickup that's awesome yeah hopefully yeah fingers crossed yeah in an interview with the hollywood reporter showrunner tony tossed says with such a heavy hitting roster how did you approach casting season two and how did it work when you were coming

[01:08:22] up with episodes were you writing with actors in mind tony says it's a little bit of a grab bag when why can't came pitched the third episode he pitched a john mulaney type and natasha was like i was just texting him let me ask him so it can come that way or sometimes we'll be thinking about character and i'm just like who actually would be good for this character who of ryan and natasha's many cool

[01:08:48] friends might want to come and hang out for a couple of weeks and then sometimes it's a more traditional thing where we go through our casting director and see who's available and make some offers there's a there's this grab bag chaos because every 10 days we're starting over again and we have to recast and repopulate the whole show sometimes we would cast someone overqualified for the role so we'd race back through the script and ask the writer to do another pass so we're not wasting them and all of a sudden

[01:09:17] we've got this performer doing some funny bits that were inspired by their casting as opposed to the other way around the interview continues with uh the interviewer asking how many ideas did you have that you couldn't fit in do you already have enough for a season three we don't want to get ahead of but there's a stack of murder ideas story arenas character ideas that we just never got around to

[01:09:42] in season two so there's a good start even if it's not something we're actively talking about just yet the interview continues do you plan to unpeel the onion that is charlie kale more in the future in terms of bringing back clea duvall and more of her family story i'd be surprised there's almost a perverse joy in refusing that contemporary television tendency to really dive into the trauma or the

[01:10:09] backstory or the mythology of a character there's something that ryan and i both just delight in and i think natasha agrees you can imagine some aspects of her past and you get little pieces but we're never going to explore it like that people from her past can show up but i don't think it's that kind of

[01:10:30] show other shows do that very well let's focus on this thing that we do where we just follow her from adventure to adventure i like that because again i i like i i remember being a kid liking the the kung fu style incredible hulk style shows of people just going from town to town and kind of uh not really

[01:10:55] having anything uh you kind of have gun will travel kind of thing wanted dead or alive you know different wild wild west did it really well as as well they would almost have different characters every week and different adventures the guys are going on i always really like that so i i'd be excited to see charlie kale just driving the road um i don't care i don't need to know how she makes money how she gases up her

[01:11:19] car where she poops i don't need to know all that i don't care i just know that she's having these great adventures and we at least have one episode where somebody didn't die so yeah i'm glad that they're sticking with what makes this show work and i appreciate that because so many shows when they

[01:11:40] realize they have a hit they just completely change the flow and that kind of can sometimes make a tv show tank so kudos to them for sticking with what they do best and and making it work i would love to see clea duvall back on the show just because i love clea duvall and i thought she was great last season

[01:12:04] as charlie's sister but i also agree that they have a formula that works narratively and that we're all enjoying so like let's stick to it incredible hulk was one of my favorite shows when i was a kid so the the narrative structure they're using just works for me moving on to some listener feedback we

[01:12:29] got a little bit of feedback on facebook and another voicemail so becky you want to read that first one there from matt so matt king says poor joseph gerbils dot dot dot exclamation point another great episode and loved that final scene i loved it too they couldn't have ended that episode any better than they did

[01:12:52] yeah i agree yeah i agree i agree uh jared harden uh says i started watching and my heart broke i had to pause it i'm going to dive back in but ugh i'm not ready just yet so i'm not sure if that's referring to the death of the gerbil or the unfortunate circumstances of lisa's school school i have a feeling it was oh no this is about kids i don't know if i can handle a murder mystery involving kid

[01:13:21] i'm saying it's because he realized that was paul sabriki from er and i i understand jared or that was mr media what was his name in serenity mr not mr spectacular not mr um mr yeah i don't remember what his name was but he was all about the signal he was like a broadcasting person yeah yeah uh jared did write back and say update finished watching and loved it so i'm very glad you were able to get there jared

[01:13:50] yes thank you jared and we got a very last minute voicemail from our good buddy greg yay i love greg okay man i am glad to finally get a a show with children in order to restore my faith in humanity and oh my gosh they killed it okay so this was disturbing um i'm glad that the murder

[01:14:19] uh murder uh murder victim was not a person but this was quite the uh disturbing uh talent show um i you know this was i thought this was a a fun episode i thought it was a little bit more realistic than some of the others um that we've had um maybe not the absolute insanity of

[01:14:46] a child but uh at least some of the you know the reasoning and whatnot i mean she very much there at the end looked like a little girl from uh not the omen um that was a boy or from black i don't know the orphan it was the orphan orphan no it was orphan yeah uh that's probably what it was right anyway um i really enjoyed david krumholz uh i was

[01:15:12] glad to see him in a non-stoner role um he's been a favorite of mine since 10 things i hit about you um but uh anyway yeah i really enjoyed it and uh charlie you know putting herself into a quote-unquote dangerous situation with the suspect when the suspect is a little girl uh didn't seem you know really stupid at the time but uh we will see what happens when the flow rose up all right i will cut it now

[01:15:45] was that one of greg's one of the greg's we were hearing greg's daughter in the background oh is that what i kind of made me a little scared for a second yeah yeah he is i love greg i love i love greg greg is a fellow veteran he's another he's retired navy i'm retired air force so uh i uh uh identify a lot with greg uh but uh yeah greg's great he's great yeah i've podcasted

[01:16:12] with greg a lot and he was on of course last week and uh he's just he's a lot of fun yeah well after the greg lug that love fest uh we are done thanks everybody for writing in and calling and we love to hear from you and if you want to write in or leave us a message you can find all our contact info at podcastica.com and you can find other shows and links to our social media pages i'd like to say

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[01:17:05] to hear your thoughts i watched the first two episodes and i'm completely hooked it's a so good it's a mystery show kind of reminded me a little bit of like broad church or defending jacob or um what was the one last year with nicole kidman and hugh grant i can't remember the name of it but it's that same kind of like like you know eight episodes or ten episodes mystery and you get to

[01:17:34] like follow the cop and follow the main people and it's good just could be oh is this better sister i want to check it out i would definitely definitely want to check that one out okay live steve yes so you're doing so what's the email address to send to send uh stuff to it's what's on tonight and the number two at gmail.com okay yeah i will check that out tomorrow that's going to be on my

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[01:18:23] that goes from the panels to pixels comics to movies uh sometimes we do whatever whatever's out there panels to pixels podcasts uh we're going to cover it tonight we'll be in fact we're going to be reviewing uh and and uh comparing and contrasting for our 300th episode we'll be comparing and contrasting the lester cut and the donner cut of superman 2 oh how's that and cool yeah that's

[01:18:49] going to be an interesting that's gonna be interesting one so yeah 300 episodes congratulations mark thank you that's so cool that is really cool we'll put a link to panels to pixels uh in the show notes as well as a link to what's on tonight so you can find them very easily well next time we'll be covering season two episode seven one last job famous last words

[01:19:16] well that is all for this episode thanks for listening and uh greg schwamm we know what you did you psycho