15: "One Last Job" (Poker Face S2E7)

[00:00:00] Hmm? Ah! Hmm. He said he would call on Monday. I don't know. It's Monday. Maybe he's busy. Why hasn't he called? Oh, it's Cyber Monday, I'm told, so maybe this is when he does his discounted shopping and then... I know what's happening. This is the part of the story where there's a mix-up, and it seems like they won't end up together, but ultimately, it is revealed to be the test through which true love will finally prevail.

[00:00:29] Tender? Uh-huh. What's the address? Super Save on 4th and M. Y-B! What would you like?

[00:01:17] And I'm Jason. And this is Murder Magnets, a podcast dedicated to the Peacock original show Poker Face. This episode, we're covering Poker Face Season 2, Episode 7, One Last Job. This episode was directed by Adam Arkin and written by Teofit Kolade, I think, and Teo. Yeah, I have no idea how to pronounce that name. That was my best try. That was good.

[00:01:46] So, Jason, welcome back to Poker Face. Thank you. Glad you were back. Anyone who listened to us in Season 1 is very familiar with Jason's voice. Mm-hmm. And I imagine we have quite a number of listeners who are overlapping listeners with the cast of us, which is the Podcastica flagship show. Yeah, yeah, you'd think so. If not, check out some of our other shows, Podcastica.com. We have tons of stuff, yeah. Jason, what's your feeling been on the season so far?

[00:02:15] I'm enjoying it. I think it's fun. It's funny. I haven't seen Season 1 since we covered it a couple of years ago. My sense is maybe Season 2 is not quite up to that level in general, but still good. I'm digging it, and I have a few favorites from this season I liked.

[00:02:37] Well, you know, I was digging the writing in Last Looks, the one where Giancarlo Esposito was a creepy. Creepy. But, and I looked it up, and it was Alice Jew who wrote my favorite episode from Season 1, the one where they were in the convenience store. Oh, yeah. So I think I just like her writing style. I don't know exactly why, but I really liked Hometown Hero too, the baseball one.

[00:03:02] And I liked the one from last week with the kids at the school, and I loved it that the death was a little, I mean, it's still bad, but a little mouse or whatever instead of a person. Everything on a smaller scale. So I'm digging it. Awesome. Well, let's get into it. Jason, why don't you read the synopsis of the episode there?

[00:03:24] It says, a great date turned sour when Charlie's love interest is framed for a heist, and she's left to once again put the pieces together and clear his name. Poor Charlie. Yeah. That was heartbreaking to watch because of the way the episode is put together that we saw all of the cuteness after we already knew how it was going to end for Bill. That made the cuteness really tragic. I know. I was thinking, oh, this is really cute, but it's sad.

[00:03:52] And I'm like, okay, this is going to be like some heist movies where what you thought happened didn't really happen and he's actually going to be alive. And then it didn't happen. Yeah. They did that with Luca. Remember, we thought Agent Luca was dead and then he wasn't. Yeah. But yeah, we lost poor Bill. This one was depressing. Yeah, it was really sad.

[00:04:12] It reminded me of some like time travel movies where someone has to finally admit they can't save the person and then they end up just tragically watching the horrible thing happen again because they have to let it happen. And it just had that feeling for the audience. Of course, Charlie in the moment didn't know what was going to happen to Bill. Yeah. How about your moment to die for Jason?

[00:04:33] It's just a little one when they set a time to go on a date and he sees her in her like black leather outfit. And that's what it was anyway. And he just went, wow. Wow. And I just got a hit in that moment of two different dates I had long ago where I had that same feeling like you show up and you see the person and she's all dolled up and I've never seen them like that before.

[00:05:02] And I'm just like speechless for a second. No, that was a nice thing to be reminded of beautiful emotion of that feeling. And then the gesture that she made was sort of like, I know, but you know, come on, like whatever. Yeah. The whole moment was really sweet. And she like leaned against her car like she knew she looked good. She looked very sexy. Yeah.

[00:05:25] I do have a question though, with the tights, because after their moment and she's still wearing those tights. Yeah, maybe they were thigh highs. How did that happen if she was still wearing those? I noticed that too. And I was like, those aren't thigh highs. Those aren't knee highs. Yeah. No. Because those shorts were short. Yeah. Those were real full on tights. Tights are pretty rippable. I don't know. Yeah.

[00:05:55] It's kind of like how in almost all sort of not rated R movies after the couple has sex, like the woman still has her bra on, you know, like. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, we have to just, and you know, like the L shaped sheep phenomenon where like they're lying in bed and her sheet is over her breast and his sheet is at his waist. Like there are like rom com things that we just have to let go. Yeah. Yeah. What's most unbelievable about that to me is I'm, I pull my sheets up too.

[00:06:25] Yeah. We've all got our sheets up. TMI, sorry. Oh, Becky, what was your moment to die for? Yeah. Yeah. This book, and you just write Kiah. You can describe how much it looks like Eric gets him, or Psycho Stalker, and I've paused it and rewound it so many times to get as much as I could off of that list.

[00:06:55] She had dead birds, Joni Mitchell CD, a mixtape, cufflinks, a gun rack, anything monogrammed, an instant camera, a water painting of him, and a hot sauce description were just some of the few that she had on my list. and i that was my favorite part of the whole episode i would guess that dead bird is psycho

[00:07:19] yeah what about what what do you remember what any other psycho ones were none of the other ones sound too psycho maybe a painting it was like they were at the bottom of the list and i couldn't see which ones that the x like corresponded so i just kept focusing on what was on the list and dead bird i mean i have received that as a gift on numerous occasions but i have cats like oh i

[00:07:48] was gonna say please tell me your cat yeah they are little tiny adorable serial killers of birds and mice and i don't go outside so i don't want any of that yeah when i was young we had a lot of outdoor cats and they all brought dead stuff home for us all the time mine are just indoor but they eat plastic and then throw it up oh yeah what is with that mine do the same thing well my older cat

[00:08:15] who passed away last year she was like plastic i must have tasted really good to her it's supposedly it it has a sensation similar to like chewing grass which cats do when they're outdoors to get certain vitamins it's an instinct thing mine is obsessed with it i cannot keep plastic out i have to like put everything behind cabinet doors and inside drawers and stuff or he will just chew and then

[00:08:39] it's very unpleasant yeah my moment to die for i didn't catch it completely on the or i didn't really pay attention to it on my first watch but on my second watch it killed me was when kendall and juice meet up at the bar the first time and they're watching heat on the bar tv and kendall switches the settings on the television to turn off motion smoothing oh nice and then puts his little

[00:09:06] remote back in his inside coat pocket and i was like that is like the ultimate film nerd thing to do i've been at other people's house and been like can i just uh change the setting here on your tv it's a little off and had them be like oh that is better and i'm always like is it for them or are they just being polite but the fact that he does that like rogue like carries a remote with him everywhere

[00:09:31] he goes and like just changes the tv i it killed me that's great yeah you always hear people who know a lot about tvs in particular they just say turn that off and i i have it turned off on mine but i don't even really know what it does it changes a little bit of how the picture comes across it it's a subtle difference you most people probably wouldn't notice it but i have a really big tv and and it's very visible online and the motion smoothing on version just makes me

[00:09:59] feel a little queasy i'm like there's something not quite right about it let's get into it where do you guys want to start jason you're the guest well i particularly wanted to just one thing that was really notable or unique about this episode actually with poker face you can always feel the creator's love of different eras and genres of tv and movies and i like that and some episodes are

[00:10:27] more about that than others like the one last season about hollywood more there were a few like the nick nolte one yeah that one was very stylized yeah and this one uh was a lighter take on that but it was about heist movies and rom-coms and starting off being an homage to heist movies i mean the whole the whole show we always talk about how it's a throwback and it's kind of like columbo you know so it's

[00:10:55] already looking back at other forms of media that are gone but anyway heist movies so they talked about heat a lot and other heist movies inside man oceans 11 a lot of mission impossible stuff um heat i saw when it came out back in the 90s in a theater one time i don't really remember it that well i don't even remember thinking it was that exceptional honestly but now if people see it as a classic so i feel like

[00:11:22] i should watch it again and reappraise it there's a certain segment of the like film fandom that really idolizes crime movies and is they're the sort of group of people that are like the godfather's the greatest movie ever made then right after the godfather they'll talk about scarface heat almost any al pacino movie this very like gritty version of american crime story that usually has like a

[00:11:51] older yelly white man in it um it's not my it's not my genre i saw it's heat also in the theater and i think that was the movie where i said i'm done with al pacino just don't just see yeah see well i was there most more for val kilmer because he because i'm gen xer but um it's interesting to me living through a lot of movies and sometimes you can just tell it's going to be a classic like pulp fiction

[00:12:18] i knew was going to be known and stick out and and revered for years i remember seeing goodfellas and thinking it was pretty good but dances with wolves won the oscar and now goodfellas is the one that that happens a lot like you look back and see what won the oscar and what other movies came out and you're like oh that didn't hold up you know but uh sometimes at the time it doesn't hold up crash

[00:12:44] right but anyway i i like a good heist movie it's not my favorite genre but it can be fun and so i just went down the list of ones that are considered the best and saw which ones i liked and ones that stood out to me reservoir dogs out of sight with george clooney and jennifer lopez and he had a poster of that in this episode uh three kings with clooney mark walberg and spike jones

[00:13:12] a fish called wanda the whole john cleese jamie lee curtis kevin klein i was really stoked to see this one on the list because i didn't think of it that way but rogue one it kind of is a heist movie right yeah baby driver is one of my very favorite movies it's so good edgar wright but um my all-time favorite if it counts which i'd say it's not for certain but point break with oh yeah oh yeah

[00:13:38] that's sort of a subverted heist movie yeah it's like an anti-heist movie kind of yeah but if not that one then i would say baby driver so one of my actually i really only had one big main point which was about genre and genre mashups and things so i'm gonna sort of piggyback on you here a little bit jason so the way i see it this was heists and rom-coms overtly right they said it they're like we're doing stuff like a rom-com we're doing stuff like a heist movie and then the the genre that charlie

[00:14:07] is is that the whole show poker faces is not just the detective story but it's also this genre called knight errant or drifter or ronin right and there's a long tradition in literature in many different cultures of the story of like a lonely traveler who is on the road for different reasons right and then and they solve problems as they go but they're always a little bit lonely so i i looked up knight

[00:14:33] errant which is sort of like the overarching uh genre it's also called picaresque which if you want to be really pretentious uh that they have um don quixote don quixote so there's a variation on the knight errant where the knight errant has a squire or an assistant and that would be like don quixote and then there are some current variations on it where it's a duo like supernatural where the

[00:14:59] brothers are knights errant but they travel around together i have a feeling that the upcoming um dunk and egg series on hbo the spinoff of game of thrones is going to be a little bit of a knight errant story where they like knight in the seven kingdoms yeah where they like travel from you know place to place and solve problems for people the the things you look for are does the main character have chronic hero syndrome where they are always trying to do the right thing

[00:15:25] they have no fixed home they're always wandering they have a code of honor they have some kind of idealism so for charlie that would be her search for honesty her desire to like bring out lies and write wrongs they always want to write wrongs they look for them everywhere they go uh they're usually on a small scale but occasionally they're pitted against a quote evil overlord they're loners they may or may not have a desire to have friends and love interests but they're usually

[00:15:53] killed by bad guys and uh a lot of times they are stoic so they don't talk about themselves a lot and they have a mysterious past and they don't show their emotions as much as some other characters do and sometimes there's a damsel who accompanies the knight errant but charlie fits all of these and i just i like putting her in a category not just with like columbo which i personally

[00:16:20] not all that into as a show but with you know sort of like cowboys like the lone ranger or like you know the last samurai or some of these sort of classic epic heroes i i just enjoy making that yeah kung fu incredible hulk i was trying to think of more drifter shows and i realized they're not as common in a modern setting because of honestly like communication technology yeah we're all connected

[00:16:45] so there's a lot more examples of agents with a team back home you know like knight rider um the only other sort of almost classic knight errant i could think of that's current is doctor who but he almost always has a companion so it's more of a don quixote situation and comic book stories are full of this trope right there's like wolverine ronin nomad there's a ton of comic book characters

[00:17:12] that have at least had a period where they're a wandering for lack of a better word i love all that even more than what i'm about to say but what i thought you were going to say with this show is how it's a how catch them oh yeah where that's where just if people don't know it's uh kind of like a murder mystery except we know who did it and then you have to watch the hero figure it out so instead of who done it it's how do you catch who did it it's a little bit of a

[00:17:41] subversion on the detective story and i did find this article i thought about putting it in news but i don't think that it really it doesn't excerpt very well so i'm just going to summarize it which is that um ryan johnson and natasha leone are particularly excited about telling a drifter story with a female lead because they see it as incredibly feminist because all drifter stories in history are

[00:18:05] pretty much always men the only example i could think of was xena and it's letting the female character have a purpose in life or a purposeless life and not constantly be seeking to settle down and have a family and find a love interest like we've seen charlie get lonely and she's definitely been attracted to men and like last season she had that mountain guy that she was with for a little while

[00:18:31] like she's interested in a relationship but it's never the primary purpose of her life yeah and another thing i noticed i was feeling like uh there's something weird about this couple and then i looked up their ages and uh cory hawkins who plays bill is 36 and natasha leone is 46 and i'm like why does that feel weird to me because every couple you see the guy is 10 years older than the woman usually and this is the this is that reverse so it kind of goes along with what you're saying i'm like

[00:19:00] no this is good we should be able to have some of these kind of things too yeah it's great there's there's all kinds of subversion everywhere and as a buffy fan i'm a big fan of subverting convention that's one of the greatest things about the buffy the mcbrough slayer show i have more to say about genre but i'll come back around to it um becky let's uh let's jump over to you i have a point that i want to talk about but i do want to add to just the not so much the genre

[00:19:27] but just a couple of movie references that were in this that i really enjoyed and that one of them was one of the biggest ones i think was kill bill he had the poster but then i think they also referenced when juice shoots bill and uh i think they even say it killed bill in the show so i did not kill bill yeah and then when at the end when they're fighting in his apartment and he kills him

[00:19:56] with the sword i really liked the the kill bill references there and then i mean it was right under the kill bill poster yeah in that moment oh now it's getting tarantino-esque and then the poster came into view right as i was thinking that and then uh when they're talking and the dumbest thing he did was put that body in a santa suits leaving it sitting in the store but it's like you know like

[00:20:24] weekend at bernie's which is one of my all-time favorite shows from back in the day and i just thought that was a fun reference as well even though that was so stupid to do that there were a bunch of other movies referenced baby driver heat mission impossible oceans 11 inside man gone in 60 seconds kill bill volume one die hard break bad which is a tv show weekend at bernie's

[00:20:51] it's a wonderful life and pride and prejudice i think that's mission impossible so many mission impossibles all of the mission impossibles which i have to say i wouldn't be able to rank them i don't remember which i haven't even seen them all because i don't know which ones i don't really love them i think my favorite one is ghost protocol which was written or directed by brad bird who did the incredibles like i said i don't know which one's which i can't i remember the first one pretty well

[00:21:17] and then the rest of them are all like oh okay i get it more of the same yeah and you know i was disappointed in this series actually because i watched the show as a kid and it was always a team and in the first mission impossible movie spoilers all the team dies except for tom cruise and i'm like what the hell is this that's not what mission impossible is yeah i don't know if people i've probably mentioned this before but i was a film

[00:21:44] major as an undergrad that's my bachelor of arts so this whole episode of like people being giant film nerds made me really happy and like i felt like it was written for me yeah when he like was showing the guy the tv who just wanted a blender i thought that was really funny i'm like i can relate i'd like to talk about the bill and charlie relationship or bill in general but then their

[00:22:14] moment we've talked every episode about kind of what charlie's plan is what her intentions are what she's thinking what she wants and we get a good answer to that this episode but um to build up to that i love the instant attraction on bill's part when she delivers the food and he's fumbling with the door but then he sees her and you could tell he's immediately taken aback by her presence and i

[00:22:42] thought that was really great acting on his part and then they go into you know and charlie her typical terrible flirting self but she doesn't even realize that this guy keeps ordering food to see her until jenny points out you know this is the classic you know rom-com moment this is a make or break for the first date but that whole date when like you were mentioned you mentioned earlier jason when he sees

[00:23:11] her when she gets out of the car she gives him that really sweet gift and he knows what it is you know she can tell if he's bs in her and everything that he's saying is honest and raw and real and then after they have their moment and she starts talking about how she could see herself settling down and she wants to get a normal life but when she pictures it in her head she can't really see it and she's

[00:23:39] beginning to suspect that her normal is just a little bit weird i thought that was a very profound moment for charlie to a be that vulnerable with another person both intimately and emotionally and then for her to finally clarify the question that we've all been wondering you know what what is her plan what is she going to do that yes she does want winky fingers a normal life but what

[00:24:08] what does that look like what's a normal life to one person you know my normal life might not be the same as what the two of you think is a normal life and it made me really stop and think i wonder what she means i don't know i mean her normal is as far as we know drifting around and getting off jobs and making friends and moving on we don't we don't really see her do anything like out of the ordinary

[00:24:33] aside from her drifter lifestyle you know she's just a cool chick yeah i mean she keeps solving murders yeah that's what's abnormal is somebody dies everywhere she goes yeah because she's in a tv show but she's got that it's it's obvious through that answer that she sees normal for her as settling down but what does settling down for her look like like we saw her yearning for it when she was at the apple

[00:25:01] orchard in the first episode and then here she's with this great guy and i wonder if bill hadn't been killed would she have stuck around and get given it a shot and to see where it went and see if that was her idea of normal so i think we get i felt like we get the sense that yes she's looking for a place

[00:25:26] that feels good and right for her that she can settle down which would drive us to the end of the show that you know she finds that place and she doesn't have to keep running from place to place to look for whatever that normal is i don't know if i would say she's looking for it i i think she was considering it here but she just seems kind of unsure what to do with herself well she's tried a couple of times

[00:25:53] right she said like when she was at the baseball park she was like maybe i finally found a community that i can make my own and then you know murder happens everything's messy so she leaves and then same she was going to really give it a try at the school and again you know something happened and then she left but to me it doesn't seem like she's like that's her goal to find a place it's sort of more like huh is this okay that i'm wandering around or or you know she does seem lost a little bit

[00:26:22] but yeah she doesn't seem sure that settling down is what she wants but she's like i need something right like whatever the this life that she's living isn't what she wants necessarily she's lonely right she keeps seeing people get killed and she would like to find something and is i think at this point she's questioning if finding a place to settle down would make her happier yeah and you what you

[00:26:48] don't know that until you've actually settled down right you can't be like well if i stay here a week and i'm happier than i know because like as long as you have one foot out the door you're not settled down just the fact that she is sort of considering that multiple times this season does suggest that she's not really feeling fulfilled just wandering around yeah she's lonely but it's interesting because i think

[00:27:12] all of this is because they wanted to make a show about a person who's in a different setting each week and so they're trying to figure out how to build that into a character and before they could do that by having her be on the run from the mob and they took that away and i saw i don't know if you guys have but some people didn't like that that they took that away and i i'm not sure i i don't think i really care i for one thing i think the show is just fun and i don't really care if there's a good

[00:27:41] reason why she's wandering around ryan johnson said quantum leap was an inspiration for this show you know new new situation each week but now that we're talking about it actually right now it does make me feel like oh yeah they i think they're aware and they're trying to deepen her character using this situation and i think it's probably going to lead to something by the end of the season where maybe she does find a place where she needs feels like she can settle down or she gets

[00:28:08] more clear on what she wants out of life or something like that yeah they've definitely sort of addressed it if i think about it too much it falls apart and it doesn't make sense but like last week steve was on the podcast and he was like i don't need to know where she gets gas i don't need to know why she's moving from town to town so i'm trying to just enjoy it for what it is but they do sort of keep referencing it and without the handy excuse of the mob it does kind of beg to be

[00:28:36] answered yeah i mean it's more interesting to me though without the mob if they can do something with it eventually and i don't need them to do that right now but just i think you know as like i said as we're talking about it i think they're aware of it because they keep bringing it up you know yeah she's questioning oh should i be trying to find a place to settle down and so i i get the sense that they probably talked it out in the writer's room and had something that they're building to that we

[00:29:02] just haven't seen yet i hope so but another a couple other things that you were saying becky got me thinking that you know she likes bill and can tell that he's honest and of course she can because she's charlie kale and that just made me realize dating for her is different than for any of us she doesn't ever have to wonder if the person is full of shit or not because she just knows so that

[00:29:31] would actually you would think make dating a lot better i don't know i don't think i'd like it i think you would run into so many people lying that you'd get real cynical that's oh yeah that's a good like even little white lies so when you did find a guy like this who it would be like the sun rose true then yeah so then it actually makes more sense why she takes such a quick liking to him

[00:29:54] yeah because he's honest i love that jenny didn't give a shit about charlie until her life started to look like a rom-com and then suddenly she was all into it and yeah turned into a whole different person which charlie was like who are you yeah that was adorable actually i like when she said hot guys love samosas because i love samosas

[00:30:20] i mean doesn't everybody love samosas yeah i mean who wouldn't right you know what they are they're just crispy fried they're like little dumplings with indian food flavors spiced potato in the middle it's oh they're so good it sounds delicious yeah they're great um yeah i liked jenny a lot i thought she was so funny like in that first scene when charlie's like i'm charlie by the way and then she's like all right i guess you're studying or whatever like jenny just did not have time for her

[00:30:47] at all what i did think was really kind of interesting is that the heist part of the show had a lot of name drops right there was like heat baby driver oceans 11 right and also you know calling out conventions of the heist genre explicitly like at the end when charlie's like that's the plot of every heist movie i've ever seen yeah they called out rom-com tropes and conventions explicitly but they they didn't really mention any specific movies yeah there was some on

[00:31:16] the screen i was gonna say it's all pride and prejudice on the screen but i don't actually think that applies to charlie's situation at all yeah it just it was interesting well i don't know if it makes sense but the reason the way i'm trying to make sense of it is poker face feels more in line with a heist kind of thing than a rom-com maybe i don't know yeah except that they were so explicit about it i thought that i had this idea in my head that i was like why these two genres like

[00:31:43] what why did they decide to mash these two up and then i was like i bet they wrote down a whole bunch of genres on those slips of paper and put them in a hat and pulled out two and we're like all right we're doing heist and rom-com it was like a writer's exercise that went well also their date they were talking about you know whether die hard is a christmas movie i'd say it's a christmas movie it is 100 exactly what she i was thinking about it's a wonderful life right and then she mentioned it there were a couple times where i was thinking of something and then it showed up i just think

[00:32:12] not only not just because die hard is at christmas and there's a lot of christmas trees and ho-hos music and everything but also the message is about these crooks just want money but it's about family and john's like uh john mcclain is separated from his wife but by the end he needs to get back together with her and make it right you know so it just feels like a christmasy message on top of everything else i don't understand these people that argue that it's not a christmas movie

[00:32:40] but i did when i sort of talk a little bit about gatekeeping and film fandom and when it can get a little bit toxic and one of the areas is around genre when you know every genre genre is a lens that we use to analyze a type of art form right there's like literary genres there's genres in most art forms right but in film you know the big ones are drama versus comedy but then you drill down a little

[00:33:05] further and you have sci-fi you have westerns you have you know space opera you have horror you have and they all come with their own set of conventions and then around the 80s and 90s it became incredibly common to do genre mashups and mixes and blend things together that's how we get film noir sci-fi like blade runner and that's how you know it just became more and more common and tarantino does it all the time he also does a lot of just like self-referential meta commentary

[00:33:35] on genre and then as we've progressed into the new millennium we get more and more of these subverting genre convention things but there are fans out there who feel like they know the definitive list of what is or is not a genre and they are like angrily protecting the purity of their vision you know you see these people being like you know that doesn't count because of blah blah blah and it's like

[00:34:01] i don't understand the last of us is not a zombie show like yeah that's a good that's a very good example or the diehard argument which i've had gotten into with so many people yeah and this need that some people have to like see their thing as only this one definition and and not understanding that the edges of the definition are permeable and that i think great art grows and changes some like conventions

[00:34:28] and expectations and and if you want your genre your preferred genre whichever one it is that you love so much to to last and stand the test of time it has to grow and change and maybe borrow from other conventions and experiment with other conventions and move things in and out of the definition that's just that's how a living body of work operates and i got frustrated with kendall when bill was like oh

[00:34:55] we've been arguing about this since fourth grade i was like kendall is one of those people he's like i know what christmas movies are and you don't and i was like he's a jerk i hope they catch him you know like i mean all of this to me it it's fun and interesting to talk about i'm okay disagreeing but i it does kind of bug me when people are like no i'm right and you're wrong and there's no discussion to be had then

[00:35:19] it's like whatever yeah and i too often find that when you drill a little further into why someone doesn't accept whatever it is into their genre a lot of times at the bottom of it it's because a woman is the lead because a woman wrote it because a black person is the lead you know like there's like when you push far enough sometimes you get to like a really ugly core and you're like oh okay like your sort of toxic

[00:35:46] protection of your idea is also a toxic protection of other ideas got it can be yeah it can be sometimes a lot of times it happens with women and they're like oh it's a romance it's like because there's a woman in it like okay like i think that the movie passengers is a horror movie but i've had a lot of people tell me it's a romance and i don't know that movie oh chris pratt and uh jennifer

[00:36:14] lawson are on a spaceship and they're the only two people awake from cold storage it's a beautifully made movie that i have very complicated thoughts about that involve the fact that the two halves of the movie should be switched but anyway we should move on um we were talking about genre gatekeeping it's just pet peeve of mine

[00:36:42] hey jason where do you want to go next okay uh well let's stick with some genre-y type stuff and i actually think it's really fun that we're going on some genre conversation tangents in this podcast because that's what the show makes you think about i love it and uh so rom-coms is the other one that was the big one in this although i felt like they did a little action movie stuff and maybe it felt like a horror even at times but um i like that her boss knows all the rom-com tropes like the leave behind and i was

[00:37:11] thinking that i probably like i did the whole thing where i found my favorite heist movies and then when it turned into a rom-com was like okay well i got to try that with rom-coms too but i don't like rom-coms that's not my thing i'm not going to be able to find any and then i looked on the list and i found a whole bunch when harry met sally is is a favorite of mine with billy crystal and meg ryan philadelphia story with katherine hepburn jimmy stewart carrie grant you guys know that way back

[00:37:40] yeah yeah a friend of mine introduced that to me when i was in my late 20s and i fell in love with it uh say anything is just uh yes uh defending your life this albert brooks merrill street where it's in the afterlife i guess that counts as a rom-com yeah i think so especially the end you know yeah i want to give it away but i don't know if princess bride counts but that's definitely a genre

[00:38:06] mashup yeah if yeah if it's rom-com at all uh groundhog day kind of roxanne definitely is that's a really good one i love that movie garden state with zach braff and natalie portman gross point blank kind of with john cusack and mini driver and my very favorite rom-com ever is la story with steve martin and victoria tenet that is one of my all-time favorite movies

[00:38:33] la story have you seen it becky it's such a good movie oh it's delightful and hilarious i think it holds up too it's just really beautifully made movie and funny that's a really good list i agree with most of that list i would add moonstruck which i think is one of the best romantic comedies

[00:38:52] ever made serendipity oh no i'm not really a fan oh i love that one i love cusack so yeah if he's been in it i have a personal issue with cusack oh okay don't say don't tell me i won't tell you about it i won't i won't ruin that for you thank you yeah he's especially for people in our sort of age range

[00:39:17] like john cusack was the star of so many classic movies from our our youth better off dead is that what it was called yeah better off dead yeah sorry your mom blew up ricky um i'll just start quoting better off deadlines so we need to move on from that particular conversation is it me then okay

[00:39:42] i want to talk about the the confrontation scene because we've talked a lot about charlie's tendency to confront murderers with no backup and no plan and no weapons and in this case she wasn't on her way to confront the murderer right she was trying to get evidence so she hid in the store inside of a tent brilliant until after closing and then hilariously guesses kendall's locker combination

[00:40:11] based on guessing what his what the order was of his favorite mission impossible movies and if i was more familiar with the mission impossible movies i think i would have found that even funnier than i did but i was able to just assume from the way she did it where she was like something skyscraper this one's number you know questionable order but i'll take it and like there's a few things i didn't

[00:40:34] get about this i didn't totally understand why she wanted to go to his locker because when she had a little confrontation with him he said i left something in my locker and that was the truth so she didn't her bullshit detector didn't go off but i guess i didn't really get that she was suspicious of him but she became suspicious of him after that and then remembered that he had said

[00:40:59] something was in his locker oh why was she what somebody said something that made her have a light bulb oh it was the boy it was okay thank you didn't think that she knew that bill didn't need to go use that trick because he knew how to manipulate the cameras and that's what got her brain right and then the cop said oh it's from mission impossible and she was like ding ding i know someone

[00:41:26] who loves mission impossible yeah that and that felt like a bit of a stretch to me that she would guess the ranking of yeah that was ridiculous and get it right and also they kind of made a point when he first you know she went to him to ask what gift should i get bill and he tested her by saying what's your favorite mission impossible movie and the way she answered uh it sounded like she'd never seen a mission impossible movie she's like uh uh what number one and i guess what really happened is she just

[00:41:55] couldn't think i don't know but then all of a sudden when she was with the locker she knew everything about all the mission impossible yeah that was a little bit of a stretch i still thought it was funny though it was funny yeah but yeah so then kendall comes in and and her having to confront him is an accident right so this is where having her one-on-one with the murderer makes sense she didn't like go seek him out to confront him it happened to her and you know he's

[00:42:20] like i didn't kill bill and then she guesses when she's like let me guess what happened and she like lays out exactly what happened he's like how did you know and she's like it's the plot of every heist movie i've ever seen it was just funny to me and then i really loved the part where she pulled out the little like cop collar button thing that bill had shown her and he's like don't she's like i pushed it three minutes ago because this isn't actually a movie i thought was a very fun little uh subversion

[00:42:48] and then to have the guy show up with the sword still through him with a machine gun was right out of die hard right there's the part where at where the the one really big blonde bad guy like you think he's been killed and he shows up at the very end and then has a second dramatic death scene i was like oh my god they did it even in this one and having the guy like walking around the store with the sword

[00:43:12] sticking out of him was hilarious that was epic i didn't see that coming me either not at all it really added to the the glee of the end of that i've also seen some people complaining that this season is too far out in and uh surreal even or absurd like with the alligator and everything and i'm like it's already about a show where a woman can somehow detect when anyone's lying for no reason i'm like

[00:43:39] yeah it's fun who cares who cares i just don't care that much um and then the final trope of course is that kendall tries to make a run for it with the money and when he gets to the door running hard there's like all the cops and all the lights and everything in his face and that's like the end of so many crime movies well they had the end of heat playing on all those trees and as as it was

[00:44:02] happening and that was one of my notes is i love the way they tied those two endings together and then dude's sitting there was it denaro and he yeah yeah it's denaro and pacino yeah pacino's dead and or is it denaro's anyway you know it zooms in on that his face and then it zooms in on kendall's getting arrested and then zooms in on her face i really really like that too my favorite part of the

[00:44:32] whole thing and it's my favorite part of every heist movie is the voiceover narration where kendall is laying out the plan and we see the montage of like drawing the map gathering the supplies the trap people taking the trash out them grabbing the door i'm going in i love that every heist movie has some version of that scene and it is my absolute favorite part every time yeah the only time anything

[00:44:58] resembling a heist does not have that is when the heist is going to go perfectly because then they don't want to show you ahead of time what's going to happen but then i don't know if a pure heist movie you know that those tend to be more like where people have some plan but in some other kind of movie but when it's all about the heist then something's going to go wrong so they do have that scene yeah it's it's just i love the montage i love the like seeing them grab the supplies i the other part i

[00:45:27] love is in a movie like oceans 11 the getting the team assembling the team yes i love those scenes it's like um one of my first favorite movies was blues brothers when they have to like get the band back together and i think like i've been trying to chase that high my entire film watching life i don't really have any main points left everything i have left is just really notes but i do want to

[00:45:56] say we did not get have any good buddy this episode yeah i had that in my notes too like just i missed absent entirely maybe she maybe she'll talk about the experience with him next week i hope so but i feel like bill her time with bill was enough that she did not need that outside communication or influence and then i do like the way this one had that very fade to black or cut to

[00:46:23] black abrupt ending versus the other ones where you get a charlie come down scene to show her leaving or whatever this just just ended just like a lot of heist movies do yeah so kendall the tragedy of kendall who came off like a good guy at first and i was rooting for him like you see his he wrote this

[00:46:49] great script his friend bill is encouraging him and he keeps writing more scripts but he's afraid to go to the next step and try to give them to somebody and that reminds me of a lot of people with podcasts so many people do that with podcasts they start the planning and then they just sit on it for months and then never get around to it you know i've had a lot of people come to me asking for my help and then they you got to take that next step but um then when bill fired him to push him to try to get

[00:47:16] the script made and kendall took that totally wrong like even when bill said that basically that's what he was doing you know trying to push him out of the nest basically to get him he's like don't just make up that excuse if you want to fire me fire me so he has this i think my read on it low self-esteem and he can't see that his friend's trying to help him he thinks this guy's trying to make up an excuse because he doesn't want him there anymore and so then right after that he helps this guy steal

[00:47:44] a bunch of tvs which by the way i wonder if that's really happening people are stealing tv like that it felt very 2025 but um i just think it's so messed up that because of his own low self-esteem he presumed the world was out to get him saw himself as a victim and then lashed out and ended up getting his friend killed and i just think that kind of thing where sometimes we're our own worst enemies you know usually in smaller ways we don't get our friends killed usually but uh

[00:48:11] yeah yeah you know what we all do that to some degree or another where you take things the wrong way and then you kind of sabotage yourself and then then when he he's talking to the the guy who stole the tv in the bar and i love he's like funny enough my latest script is about a guy who gets fired from a super save but the twist is that he returns using his knowledge of heist movies to rob the store safe for his revenge and he gets a puppy and a hot girlfriend and i just thought you know it

[00:48:40] might seem unbelievable that it because then we're all of course thinking well that's what they're going to do but kendall wasn't thinking that and it might seem unbelievable but that he wouldn't he wouldn't even dawn on him that he should do that but uh he doesn't know he's in a tv show and it totally makes sense like yeah that's not the first thing you usually jump to to rob a store then when he they do rob it and he sees there's way more money in the safe and he decides to cheat the other guy which

[00:49:09] is a total heist movie thing to do yep it's always the downfall yeah and then later i love that this guy he reminded me of todd in breaking bad if you've ever seen that where he's actually oh shit he's a lot worse than you think he's yeah kill without a thought then he has this weird moral code because he also sold the motorcycle and gave kendall half the money for it yeah like 50 50 meant more to him

[00:49:35] than someone's life yes and i thought i wondered if kendall felt bad in that moment when he gave him the money but you know when kendall took the more money than he was owed and then i'm just like okay i should not be rooting for this guy he's just a bad he's always doing the wrong thing he's now he's cheating this guy he stole from his friend he didn't take what his friend said at face value

[00:49:56] and even then he has all this money in a backpack in his locker and i'm still like it well no sorry i missed one part he got his friend killed like when juice came in and shot the guy i was like oh shit what i felt bad for kendall and i'm like why am i feeling bad for this guy he's just doing the wrong thing at every turn sam richardson is so charming he's likable that face yeah yeah and then i wanted

[00:50:23] him to get the money out of the locker and i i always try when i watch these things to say okay here's where my emotion is but let me take a step back and look at what these people are actually doing and i'm like no he deserves to go to prison for what he did he's not a good person no and yeah right he made one bad decision after another after another and he also threw away his talent right yeah he had this talent and he wasn't even he wasn't pursuing it and yeah he did everything

[00:50:51] wrong and and it ended in this tragic loss of bill who seemed to be like a completely nice person right we saw we saw no negative qualities about bill none and he genuinely cared about kendall like you said jason and and his wanting him to be strong stand on his own two feet and go get his success so it just he knows die hard is a christmas movie it's just a good guy yeah and and he took care of our sweet

[00:51:20] charlie yeah yeah and it made it more tragic than uh i don't know has there ever been a death of the week that felt worse than this one because he's no so because it was a chance for charlie yeah i love her yeah so that's the one we know and care about she's lost friends but this one was this hurt just really hurt yeah i just want to give a little shout out to cory hawkins who probably most people

[00:51:46] know from straight out of compton but of course we all know him from season six of the walking dead and we've been wondering what happened to him for like 10 years now he lives well then he died again oh yeah i was happy to see him i was like oh he your hair looks so much better now cory hawkins sam richardson we already talked about who plays kendall people might recognize him from the

[00:52:12] hilarious role he played on ted lasso in two different episodes or three episodes he was this uh international billionaire who had some anger management issues and he also has a series called the after party there's been two seasons of it and it's another murder mystery show and it's so funny and so well made that i really recommend it i think it's on apple one of my notes is when charlie shows up

[00:52:42] for the date and he takes her inside and he maybe this is more of a quote than a note but i just love the whole moment the way he had everything set up very cutesy romantic and he says i was going for sweetly romantic but now i'm worried i've toppled over into cornball cheese and charlie it's the most genuine i think i've ever seen natasha leone in this series when she didn't have a gun to her head or her life

[00:53:08] wasn't in danger but she says no i genuinely think it's squarely in the romantic sweet spot love that whole moment and then she goes to leave her sunglasses behind so she has a reason to come back and see him again i didn't catch that that's so cool i didn't realize she actually did leave her sunglasses yeah the leave behind and that's my note when her boss jenny said if the date's going really

[00:53:34] well make sure that you quote forget something at bill's place and charlie said oh like what my chastity yeah i love that during the heist when they got to the safe and kendall is like well you know one thing i know about bill is that he likes his sour cream and onion potato chips and you know what shows up under black light and then juice goes semen yes which was my answer in my head too yeah no i get it

[00:54:04] juice and then it was a canola oil and that's how he broke the safe i thought that was really clever and funny yes jenny when she's panicking because bill hasn't called the store for charlie and she goes on to talk about the mix-up trope where something happened and it seems like they won't get together but they end up together and it's just a test to see if their true love will prevail

[00:54:28] and then the phone rings and charlie's absolute giddiness and squeal when the phone rang because it was in order for the super saver wonderful really cute but also tragic like such a heartbreaking scene because you're like oh yay bill does like her oh no that's right he's dead like yeah yeah yeah oh i like it when she shows up hands the food to the police she's like what happened or what is this

[00:54:55] and she's like lunch i mean yeah and then you get she gets there and yeah and it's just not at all the scene she was hoping or expecting and this whole episode like i i really like the first two thirds but the way it ended i mean it was just such a downer which is okay it's okay for an episode to be like that every once in a while but i i hope it has some kind of an impact on her you know that

[00:55:21] it's just not for nothing i don't know i was thinking a lot about it because the ending we don't really get the the usual epilogue where she drives away i was like charlie she off this is often the case but this time very directly she is a witness to a major crime are the police are not going to let her just like drive out of town like how did they respond when she's like oh i don't have a home address or a phone number she's got to be a witness in this guy's trial right like i don't know

[00:55:49] real world yeah like i just got through saying how i i don't care about the real world stuff but that one got me i was like she has to testify right i mean that's probably in if they have a story around it they'll do something with it if not then dramatic license we just don't forget about it yeah just forget about it yeah move on i'd like when she mentions early on when she's talking to jenny jenny's studying and she charlie mentioned she had a brief stint in the education sector

[00:56:20] referencing last week's episode very brief charlie didn't say bullshit once this episode i don't think yeah i don't think she did no you're right it made me wonder if this is the first episode where she hasn't said it i'm not sure yeah huh she didn't hear any bullshit yeah bill sleeping in the store just reminded me of the book the mixed up files of mrs basil e frankweiler which was one of my favorite

[00:56:47] books as a kid and it's about two kids who and i cannot remember why are parentless in new york city and they move into the metropolitan museum of art and they live there like they sleep on the historic beds and then they you know they clean up every morning they take baths in a fountain they get money out of a wishing well and they live there without anybody detecting them for a really long time and when i was a kid it was like one of my favorite fantasies whenever we would go to like a

[00:57:15] department store or something i'd be like i could live here i got everything i need my wife jenny she in college went on a semester at sea without telling her parents so she was on a boat like going around to different ports around the world as part of her education so it was legitimate you know through her college but um she didn't tell her parents and i think they found out and she felt guilty about it

[00:57:42] and so she wanted to save money to pay them back for that semester or something and so the next semester she lived in libraries at yale she didn't have her own apartment she just went around to different of their libraries because they have several and slept on couches that's pretty cool she should somehow share that story i know well jason just did it's pretty funny

[00:58:06] well i mean like in a book or yeah something like that um at one point when they're talking about the polaroids with the with the police officers charlie is like why would he use a janky ass and frankly weirdly expensive polaroid and i know the answer is because it's admission impossible but i focused on the frankly weirdly expensive part because i am a polaroid nut i love polaroid cameras and

[00:58:31] polaroid pictures and they're like two dollars a picture it's ridiculous how expensive it is to take polaroid pictures now and you have to like special order the film and it's a really big deal funny detail to mention huh yeah but i continue to do it i just really i find that when you have a polaroid camera i especially like to have them out at parties that you point a polaroid at people

[00:58:55] you get a different reaction from them from any other kind of camera like there's something about the medium that makes people like happy to do sillier things because i think there's no long-term record there's just the one copy the retro feeling of the camera the nostalgia factor from like for a lot of us our childhoods there's something about polaroids that just it brings out a different side of

[00:59:18] people that's cool all right my last note it's just i really liked how this episode this is probably my favorite episode of the season it just felt different it had action it had suspense it had drama it had love it was far beyond just funny uh there were some good ha-ha moments like when the gun

[00:59:43] won't fire and juice those at kindle i just this one felt different it not it was sad different but a lot of it was just i don't know well done yeah i agree with that i probably wouldn't call it my favorite just because it left me feeling kind of down but i think it it was uh really well done like

[01:00:07] you said yeah i loved it i really did my last note is that i watched the documentary on hbo called peewee as himself oh is that amazing i want to see that it's really good paul rubens and uh he died a couple years ago of cancer but he was in the middle of filming this documentary the filmmakers didn't even

[01:00:30] know that he was sick and um he just really goes through his whole life his success his scandals and whatever and what his life was like being a pariah and just all kinds of stuff and and you really get a sense of his character because he's kind of worn this mask his whole life of peewee so you get to see what he's really like and it's it's really fascinating and he kind of challenges the director a lot and i

[01:00:57] don't know it's very much worth a watch it's a two-part thing and each part is like an hour 45 but what i wanted to mention is when they show all the stuff about peewee's playhouse his saturday morning kid show that he did for i think five seasons the first season you see these little kids jumping down on there's this chair called cherry that waves its arms around and stuff and one of the kids is like a 10 year old natasha leone awesome oh wow like a little happy and she's got some lines

[01:01:26] and stuff and it's really fun that's adorable now i have to watch it yeah i was peewee for halloween one year when i was little did you say i could still sing you that opening song to his peewee's playhouse i won't and y'all are welcome but um i was never much of a peewee fan and uh i've always felt a little left out like i'm like i just don't get it like you know sometimes you just don't get things i just don't get that one um i i know that feeling but i loved peewee's playhouse and i was

[01:01:56] probably like in my 20s when i still watch it i have two tiny notes left and one is just the name juice i'm pretty sure that is a reference to something like that that the other criminal call is a movie i think well there's a movie called juice but i i don't think that's what it was too and i i think it's something having to do with heat and again i don't really want to watch that movie again to find out but yeah i just got the feeling

[01:02:21] it was a reference to something and also that this reminded me of a heist movie that nobody mentioned but office space oh yeah yeah oh i love that movie yeah that is a fantastic movie and with that we can move on uh the only news i had this week was the article i already talked about the interview with natasha leone and ryan johnson so we'll just link that in the notes if somebody

[01:02:50] wants to read the whole thing and with that it is time for listener feedback jason want to start us off yeah matt king says another fun episode the other bad guy was barely a step up from the baddies from home alone though don't get close to charlie she brings bad karma any any um of the leads in any of these dark dramas that we watch like rick rhymes you don't want to be any near anywhere near him

[01:03:16] uh he says after we watch today's leverage redemption season three finale again where the baddies know how to dispose of inconvenient bodies if needed i mean so becky you said it was dumb to put the body as the mannequin but his point was they could just leave right so you still don't think it was a good idea

[01:03:38] no why not well i just i feel like if they had have made the body disappear they would have had more time yeah it would have she wouldn't have discovered the body and sit her on a whodunit you know yeah it just it was dumb but if everything else had gone smoothly and they had left town it wouldn't have been that bad for them but the fact that they had complications it was a sick and twisted

[01:04:07] in it i thought in a great way although yeah probably practically not so great but um man it was also really sad when she found him like as she was walking over there i was like oh my god like i think it was meant to be a little bit funny but it was mostly sad yeah it didn't take away from my enjoyment of the episode it just i thought it was not the brightest way to get rid of uh of a dead body when you just

[01:04:35] committed a horrible crime so yeah uh matt mentions leverage redemption which i haven't i gotta watch that that's the sequel series to leverage and i loved leverage which is basically a week show yeah so i'll have to check that out oh yeah we love noah wiley on this podcast yes we do becky you want to read kelsey's kelsey mcnamara says i know it's the whole format of the show but

[01:05:01] every episode i forget charlie will turn out to be there in the background the whole time with a crying laughing face emoji and also last week i think i was an odd one out because when they were setting up the episode in the school i was not dreading it i thought oh a child murder fun

[01:05:22] that's awesome twisted that's funny i love it all right we have a call from our good friend steve hello murder man it's steve and this is going to be for poker face um what is it season two episode seven one last job i was just gonna say that looks like baby driver and yeah there it is and the denzel washington movie inside man is uh kind of blurred out there that i wonder if that's a easter egg or anything oh and this one's got cory hawkins uh from the walking dead oh the title

[01:05:52] of the script one last job it's kind of a mic drop they haven't said the title yet though so we'll see if they actually say the title of the script okay so this guy gets fired and he immediately hooks up with a robbery crew of course they talked about inside man and now heat is on the tv oh there it is he said it one last job title of the movie the tv show mic drop really he thought he'd be able to guess the combo the four digit combo uh there's no way there's too many combinations okay he got it

[01:06:19] well what is bill doing is he living there oh and juice just shot him bill oh just more than needed oh no he left the script and does it have the map on the back oh okay he came back and grabbed it charlie your brief stint in the education sector last episode oh the meet cute over food delivery and of course kiss me playing over the soundtrack charlie this is your love story oh it's too bad

[01:06:46] though we know what's gonna happen okay charlie good move trying to get a birthday gift for him and of course you're talking to kendall so yeah okay so bill is living there uh and the cameras aren't working but oh but bill has a panic button i love it die heart is a christmas movie by the way it's the best christmas movie ever oh all right charlie get you some and you don't want santa looking on oh it's cyber monday which means this is the day that bill has been murdered oh oh the

[01:07:15] cops ordered from tandoor hey the guy had enough time in those few minutes to dress the dead body up in the santa suit and put him oh yeah oh is charlie gonna discover the body right now she's about to touch the santa ah okay i had to pause it because that was wow okay oh no are they gonna suspect that charlie's the accomplice i don't know the mission impossible movies well enough to know if

[01:07:40] they used a polaroid gag in mission impossible 3 but maybe so he just bruce willis this guy with the samurai sword oh and right there on the back wall is a 12 monkeys poster okay so his combination is the order of the mission impossible movies that he likes i love it she pushed it like three minutes ago the guy from kindle's apartment is not dead and that's it for this week on the next week i mean kindle gets caught and i'm sure charlie's just gonna slip away thanks steve good to hear from you again

[01:08:10] i adore him so they didn't thank you again for coming on depressing at all he did note that it was a little sad but yeah he didn't have the gloom that we all kind of felt i'm really broken hearted for harley for charlie i hear what steve says about die hard being the best christmas movie and i just want to counter with the ref if you haven't seen it it is about dennis leary is a thief he breaks into

[01:08:37] somebody's home on like christmas eve and the family comes home while he's there and he ends up pretending to be a marriage counselor for one of the couple it's non-stop funny he's having the most uncomfortable christmas eve dinner with this messed up family he's threatening them with their lives it's great sounds good high the lampoons christmas vacation yeah i love that one if anyone's in the

[01:09:01] mood for a list of favorite christmas movies after this podcast and you're in my patreon if you go to there and search for christmas you'll hear me and amelie talking about our top five favorites from a couple years ago that's awesome that was a fun one all right thank you everybody for writing in and calling if you want to write in or leave us a message you can find all our contact info at

[01:09:25] podcastica.com and you can find our other shows and links to our social media pages i'd also like to ask y'all to please check out mine and mandy's podcast what's on tonight where we are continuing our coverage of the very good the better sister on amazon prime the better sister is so good and becky i tried to wait and go episode by episode with you guys but um i binged the whole thing did

[01:09:54] you finish it okay well i got your i saw that you left feedback i haven't read it yet but i saw that you left feedback so we decided we're gonna do two episodes at a time so you can get through it faster so we can get through it because i i i don't ever i told mandy i don't ever want to pick a show that it all comes out at one time yeah this is too hard it's a bummer for podcasting yeah jason

[01:10:20] you just finished up three podcast series is right yeah yeah one of the um so if you poker face is one of the lighter shows that we cover even though there's a murder every week it's still pretty fun and light so i just finished up another light show the handmaid's tale i'm just kidding i did finish the handmaid's tale that's a horrible i mean not horrible but very bleak show although

[01:10:47] last season was it's a fantastic show with very heavy heavy themes that's what it is and uh yeah i would recommend checking that out if you think you might at all be interested but what i was going to say is cobra kai which uh actually is maybe my favorite show i've ever podcasted on or one of them anyway and it was just a joy to do and we finally finished that up just because this new karate kid

[01:11:11] movie came out so we stuck that on the end there but um the series was just super super satisfying so if you're at all a fan of karate kid and you haven't watched that show i would just go watch the first episode on netflix and you'll know right away if you think you're gonna be into it it was surprisingly good i thought fantastic and don't forget to follow and subscribe to murder magnets wherever you get your podcasts and of course we love five star reviews the best

[01:11:39] next time we'll be covering season two episode eight of the sleazy georgian that's the first time i'm seeing that and i am very excited for this i wonder if that's the name of a cocktail i don't know uh well that's all for this episode thanks for listening and uh kelsey mcnamara we know what you did you psycho