17: "A New Lease on Death" (Poker Face S2E9)

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[00:00:56] Gutscheine. Und die Brucken lock meant die Tenet was trapped inside. Gutscheine died? Gutscheine. Gutscheine. Also, are you a chemist or something? Cause that was a very detailed breakdown. Oh no, I was an investigative journalist for The Observer before I got blackballed after Sucker Punch and Rex Reed. No shit. Then I did a stint as managing editor at Vague before retiring. Vogue, I mean, that's a big deal. No, no. Vague magazine. Different publication. Yeah, what's that one about?

[00:01:26] This and that. Welcome to our podcast. I'm Penny. I'm Becky. I'm Chen. And I'm Rob. And I'm Jason. And this is Murder Magnets, a podcast dedicated to the Peacock original show Poker Face.

[00:01:54] This episode, we're covering Poker Face Season 2, Episode 9, A New Lease on Death. This episode was directed by Adama Ibo and written by White Cain and Taya Ho. I would like to welcome Jen and Rob to the podcast. I figured that if Natasha Lyonne and Ryan Johnson flip through their Rolodex and get their friends to just join them on Poker Face, that I could do the same thing.

[00:02:22] So I asked Jen and Rob to come on. Jen and Rob are friends that people have been friends with for over 20 years. Rob and I used to work together at a software company. And then after I knew you for like a year or two, I met Jen because we all went to the Shepard Fairey exhibit at the ICA together. Oh, yes. And I immediately was like, I want Jen to be my friend. I love her.

[00:02:50] Notice how she didn't say Rob there. Well, we were already friends. You were part of it. Fair enough. Fair enough, yes. We were already friends at that point. We were work friends. But that was when we started transitioning into out-of-work friends. And then eight or nine Johnny Cash parties later. Here we are. I'd like to hear some stories from those. They are really fun parties.

[00:03:17] Every year, listeners, every year for 19 years in a row, I had a Johnny Cash theme party. And around year 10, I think, was when Rob put together a band to do Johnny Cash covers live at the party. And it really took everything up a notch. Oh, my God. That was a lot of fun. Jen and Rob are also very constant movie-going companions for me.

[00:03:45] So we have a long history of chit-chatting about movies and music and all things entertainment. Very cool. It's nice to be here both. Thank you. It's great to be on. Excited to be here. So let's get things started with the synopsis. Jen, want to start us off? Sure. This is the Poker Face I Love New York episode.

[00:04:09] Trying to avoid the bullshit for a while, Charlie crashes at Good Buddies' empty apartment in Brooklyn, where she befriends many of the neighbors. But her piece is short-lived, and the bullshit finds her in the form of a mysterious death in the building's laundry room. Dun-dun-dun! Dun-dun-dun! Dun-dun! Dun-dun!

[00:04:35] Let's get started with our moments to die for from the episode. Jen, want to start? Well, I want to say that I think this is my favorite episode this season. And by the way, I feel that this season is so different from the first season. I agree. Yeah. You know, this season is a romp. But this episode, I loved so much.

[00:05:01] I love so much because I lived in New York for 15 years and I thought I would never leave. So, Alia Shawkat is an amazing villain. Just amazing. Yeah. She's so polished and so pretty. But she's like...

[00:05:19] So the moment to die for, for me, was when she enters, you know, pushes her way into Ricardo's apartment and pulls out the knife and menaces him. And I think that's a scary dude. Because he's kind of a scary looking dude, but she just is... And he's petrified. I really like that whole scene. I agree. That was cool. For other reasons too, because Ricardo is very... Is not what he appears to be, you know?

[00:05:49] Yeah. So I love that scene. Yeah. That was a scary moment. Yeah, it was fantastic. Even though the knife was small, her presence was big. Yeah. The way he towered over her physically, but like she completely dominated him. It was impressive. Yeah. I feel like she's the scariest... Yeah. ...villain of the season. Yeah, she's a psycho. Right. Like I was legit. There was... Most everybody else is just... Meh. I mean, they're good villains, but they're not...

[00:06:18] Like she was horror movie villain. Yeah. Another way maybe to put it is oftentimes the villains have a little sense of a three-dimensional character. Not entirely redeeming, but at least relatable perhaps. This one, she was just like a stone cold killer, you know? Yeah. She was just like pure evil, I think. Yeah. Total psycho. But I could believe someone like that would exist though. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They do. Rob, what was your moment to die for?

[00:06:48] Oh, by far a potato lady who knows all about science and chemistry. I mean, that was awesome. Because I... You know, because what Charlie asked her like, how do you know this? And, you know, the easy answer like, oh, I teach science and we'd be done with it. But no, she was what? Investigative reporter or something like that? For vague magazine. For vague. Oh, that's it. What's that about? This and that. That is a straight up joke.

[00:07:19] It's like, there's not a lot of joke jokes on this one. It's like vague. Ah, don't you mean Vogue? No, vague. What do you do? Oh, this and that. Yeah. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Fantastic. Yeah, potato lady was my favorite moment though. How about you, Jason? Yeah, that was mine too. I just, when she said, oh, Charlie said, what's that one about? And she said this and that. And I knew she was going to say something like that.

[00:07:48] And it still got me and it felt like it could have been naked gun all of a sudden, you know? True. Right. But it was okay. Just a little small dose of that is fine. And nobody laughed or anything. Just went on to the next thing. Yeah. Becky, what was yours? Before I get to mine, I want to add to that. I don't know if you all watched Wayne's World, but it's one of my all time favorite movies. And when she started giving all of that information.

[00:08:18] Right. I was like, oh, this might come out to be important later. But it made me think of when they go to find, was it Mr. Big or whatever to get his girlfriend on the radio. And Chris Farley plays the driver who gives all of this information. And they're like, okay. I just had such a flashback to that movie when she started just giving up all this info. Right. Yeah.

[00:08:46] I think it's sort of in the general theme of like surprises. It's one of the best things about the show. Like you think something's going to happen. You know, like maybe the guy at the door is the hit man. Like maybe Awkwafina is going to put a hit out on this woman. But Jen, you said that wasn't enough money though for a hit. So that was so funny after we watched it, we were talking about it.

[00:09:09] And Rob said to me, did you think that Awkwafina, did you think that she was going to put out a hit on Kate? And I go, no, there was no money. And there was like 10s and 20s. You can't get a hit on a guy with that much money. Yeah, it was like maximum $200 in there. There was no way it was more than that. Right. But I think something like that, you think maybe something's going to happen, but then pretty much like the opposite happened. Yeah.

[00:09:39] So that's one of the charms of the show is you think you might know what's going on, but then there's a fun twist. Well, the thing is that every single character has a different life. Has a not, you know, the fireman is an actor. The bodega storekeeper has that syndrome where you can't recognize faces. You know, it was just really fascinating, all the different.

[00:10:06] And there is, you know, Ricardo, who has all those tats and all the hardware on him. But he's a librarian. How charming is that? A radical librarian. I love him. Yeah. A passionate one. So Becky, what was your moment to die for? When Maddie and Charlie are talking and Maddie asks her if she likes Jeopardy! And Charlie says, well, it sure has a way of finding me.

[00:10:33] I can't say I like it, but there is something invigorating about confronting you, your immortality. And Maddie says, I'm at the game show. And Charlie's like, fuck yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is awesome because that was mine as well. Oh, I'm sorry. No, that's good. That's good. Great minds think alike. Yeah. That's two pairs. That was awesome. Yeah. Who knew? So we're playing poker here. We've got five cards.

[00:11:03] That's what I was thinking. Let's get into our main points and let's start with Jason. Where do you want to start the conversation? Kind of. I mean, we've been talking around a little bit, but especially on second watch, I started to really notice that, oh, they're really going into everyone's professions in this. And a lot of it seems kind of unexpected that the grandma and we call her in in St. Marie.

[00:11:33] She's a retired poetry professor. The granddaughter, Maddie is a bicycle messenger. Um, this guy, her friend is a passionate librarian who Charlie says you're a walking, talking epitome of don't judge a book by its cover. And that is one of the charms of this show. And it's, it's one of the themes and great aspects of the show because you can't always judge a book by its cover. And a lot of times when we're watching the show, we're trying to figure things out and people

[00:12:02] end up being different than we thought. And Kate is also a big example of that in this episode. But last week had a lot of that with how many cons and things there were. You didn't know who, who was the good guy and who's the bad guy. And, um, then, you know, this guy who's, he looks like a sketchy hit man turned out to be a librarian kind of reminded me of Manny, the muscle last week. It turns out to be a big softy. And then the other woman on the side, the sidewalk, who's an investigative journalist for vague

[00:12:31] magazine. And, uh, the fireman is the ex Broadway tap dancer. And now he's going to go on auditions again because Charlie, she's always like encouraging people to be their best selves, which is awesome. Um, and then of course, Charlie's always looking for work and it's usually menial jobs. And here she's trying to get a job at the convenience store. It ends up doing this hellish thing that I'm sure doesn't exist. A bonafide capture technician.

[00:13:02] That was brilliant. Yeah. Although like, I don't know, as a tech person, I was trying to figure out exactly what is that job either a she's like testing the system to see if it's going to work. Okay. Or B she's somehow being paid by other people to do captures on their behalf. Right. Yeah. I wasn't clear. Was it? Yeah. I, I, I, yeah, I didn't know either, but those are two good options that you just listed off.

[00:13:28] But I, my favorite thing about it, because I very much identify with this is that she, well, after doing that for who knows how many hours she's walking around the city, going crosswalk building fire truck crowd. Cause you take your work with you sometimes. Uh, but so all of that, I just, I liked it for so many different reasons. One is, yeah, it just gives a fuller picture of people and shows that you can't judge a book by its cover.

[00:13:54] It's also just, uh, the opposite of lazy writing. It's good writing to give details. Also she's in New York. She said, you know, there's so many people around and just how full this episode was gave the feeling of the fullness of New York. Just how much there is going on all the time. It just felt like there was a lot going on in this episode. And then, um, another, this is kind of a different thing, but another thing that went against

[00:14:20] expectations, at least for me is when Maddie Aquafina came home early and heard her Nana screaming and walking in on her having sex with Kate and then pepper spraying herself. Just because, you know, you see this woman and she's the grandma and she's the one, you know, trying to get a good deal for her granddaughter. You don't expect there to be this lusty sex scene, but it's great because, and then the way she handled it, she said, I loved your grandpa very much.

[00:14:49] It's just when I was younger, I dated a few people, quite a few people, men and women. And it's been a joy for me to reconnect with that part of myself. I just loved how she was so straightforward about it and, um, and not at all embarrassed or anything. And, and Maddie, you know, felt that and accepted it, you know, it took a beat, but she's like, okay, yeah, yeah, that totally makes sense. So there are Asian women. Yeah. Right.

[00:15:15] And that's another, like last week, you know, the main con man guy was an Asian guy and that was just completely incidental. And I love that too. So I guess this, uh, my point feels kind of random, but it's just that I really appreciate that this show does, it's not cookie cutter. It really presents interesting details that make it feel so human in a way that's confound stereotypes, which I really, really like a lot. Uh, Becky, how about you?

[00:15:44] Where do you want to talk? What do you want to talk about? I would like to talk about Kate and is it Kate or Katie? I think it's Kate. Okay. Amelia apparently. Yeah. And then I was like, wait a minute. She had some, you know, she was an absolute crazy psycho human being, but some of the things

[00:16:06] that she said, I just thought were really, she had some profound words to say in all of her insanity, but the comedic timing with her and Awkwafina, I thought was really, really great. When, and you could, I loved her entering this story. And the second she enters the story, I'm questioning, okay, is she good or is she bad?

[00:16:31] Is she, I'm, I'm thinking at first, I thought that, uh, David Allen Greer, the manager was hired her to take out Awkwafina so he could get them out of the apartment. So that was a nice little twist that she was just on her own. But the moments that they had where, uh, you know, they're sitting at the kitchen table after she's sprayed herself with the pepper spraying.

[00:16:58] Kate's like, you know, I don't think you're supposed to scrub. You're supposed to do more like a dab and Awkwafina is like, I got it. And she's like, I'm sensing some hostility. And Maddie's like, let's walking in on your Nana, having sex with a stranger that makes me feel uncomfortable. But there are just so many of those great moments where they really played up without being in your face about it, where they're watching the movie.

[00:17:27] She's not paying attention, tapping the pen, shuffling the paper. It really just kind of built up to where they let in, let you in on the secret early that, you know, this lady is out to get Nana's apartment. And she knows in order to do that, she has to get Maddie out of the way. But I was a little surprised that she went to such great lengths to do so.

[00:17:53] I thought she was just going to try to warm her way in and push her out. Not physically push her out, but and make her crazy enough that she's like, I'm done. I'm out. And she goes, she moves on. I think that was the plan. But then, then Maddie threatened to expose her and get her arrested. You know, that's what really kicked it up. Rob, how about you? Yeah. So a couple of things.

[00:18:22] First, okay. We haven't seen Steve Buscemi's character yet. We've heard that a few times in conversation. Although if I gather it, we get to see his apartment or at least one of those places. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't remember. Do we see inside? Yeah, we did. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We, yeah, in the room, she like flops down the bed, but there's some interesting like artifacts going on.

[00:18:48] I don't know if I'm, I don't know if I can remember all the details of it, but there are some interesting things going on back there for the fans, I guess. And I guess there's an overall question, like, will we ever see him? Or is it more of like a Charlie's angel type of thing where like, we only hear his voice. Oh, I didn't. Yeah. I didn't connect it with Charlie's angels. Yeah. Yeah. So that's really funny. Well, it sort of like reminds me of, um, who was it in season one? Uh, that was the big boss. Right. Ron Perlman. Ron Perlman.

[00:19:18] Yeah. And, uh, we did, did we, we did eventually get to see him right at the end. He, he dies at the end of the. Yeah. But we, but we see him. So hopefully you guys watch the first season. Um, yeah. So I, I, I kind of just presumed that we'd see Steve Buscemi at the end of this. Yeah. We might not. We, they might not. But the other thing though, um, what main points for me, and I'd love to get your opinion on this too.

[00:19:46] Uh, it's, we didn't see, uh, the Maddie character actually die. We saw her in distress, right? Just poisonous gas, uh, the, she can't get out. Then they cut, uh, to, uh, Anne. Right. Uh, and see what's the watch. Yeah. Yeah. She was timing it. I think. Right. Kate. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry.

[00:20:13] So we cut to evil Kate and she looks at her watch. If I have right. She smiles. Yeah. Yeah. So there we go. Stone cold killer. But here's a question for you guys. It seems like we've pretty much seen all the other deaths. Uh, I guess we didn't see the suicide from last week. Uh, but, uh, well, we did see a lot of actual death deaths, right? Right. Well, a lot of the really gory parts happen off camera. Like the gator guy. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:20:43] It was just implied. Like we saw him die, but we didn't see the gator terrible. That'd be something. If you really saw the gator terrible part, that would be a left turn. That would be more like, um, like walking dead or something. Yeah. We've seen a lot of people die on camera. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but, uh, here. I think she's dead because, because, um, the, the, the grandmother was just, um, grieving over it for a while. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:21:12] But I was thinking this isn't, but Kate, Kate is not dead, right? She's just going to be arrested. So she could maybe come back. I don't know. But anyway, you think Maddie might still be alive? No, no, no. I don't think so. I think she's dead dead, but I think that it was an editorial decision to, to not show her flop down or whatever, you know, or not show her like panic trying to get out of the room. Right. Or the bottom on the stretcher on the way out the door, you know,

[00:21:40] they're really, they really have a good beat on the tone with this show. And maybe that would just be too gruesome. Right. But I did feel bad for her because she got pepper sprayed and then she got gassed. Yeah. That's a better way to go. Becky, what were you about to say? I was just going to say to talking to Rob's point is when they flash back to her meeting Charlie and they're in the laundry room together and she breaks out her tools to unlock the door. Yeah.

[00:22:08] I for a second thought, okay, well they didn't show her die. So maybe she's out and they're, they're going to set up Kate. So for a second, I thought maybe she could have escaped too, but. Oh, like the old double twist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I, I went there for a second, but then I was like, wait, she didn't have her bike. So she wouldn't have had her tools. So sad. Jen, your turn.

[00:22:35] So, um, I have to confess that from the very beginning with like the first, just the title that came up for this episode, I recognized the Woody Allen movie title font and style. And I thought, Ooh, you know, there, this is kind of a tribute to some of the great older Woody Allen movies like Manhattan.

[00:23:03] And then he had a couple of films that were, um, you know, crime, uh, movies. Yeah. I think they also had a jazz, uh, if I have it right. Yeah. Good jazz. Um, the clarinet, I think. Right. So I was paying a lot of attention to sort of references to other films, other characters.

[00:23:26] Um, I mean, just the fact that, uh, uh, Aquafina, what her breakthrough breakout performance was as a granddaughter, uh, who travels back to China in that movie. Um, farewell, farewell, farewell. Right. I was thinking about, um, Oh, I don't know if there was, Oh, even the, um, obnoxious real

[00:23:54] estate shark who comes to look at the apartment at the end, that guy does the subway takes. He's a standup comedian who does subway takes and has TikTok, um, TikToks that he puts up, uh, commenting on our world today.

[00:24:12] Um, the whole thing just about that apartment I thought was making fun of all those great Nancy Meyer movies where people live in sumptuous, sumptuous homes and apartments in New York. Um, yeah, I'm realistic. Um, yeah, I relished every part of this.

[00:24:37] Oh, even, um, um, Ricardo's apartment when Kate barges in there and brandishes her knife, his apartment is like beautifully appointed. It's modern. It's cool. He's got all this art on the walls and, um, photography. And I thought this is just beautiful. It's just amazing.

[00:25:01] I wanted to hang out with Ricardo and, and I thought, and, and Maddie, I thought they seemed like they would be like a fun friend group. Mm. Mm. Good people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:25:26] And she came in and solved it, of course, but I felt like, Hey, if this just went on and resolved without her, it would still be really good. You know, I thought I had the same thought. Um, I'm sure some people keep some stats on this, but this might've had the, the least Charlie time. Yeah. Uh, possibly. But probably an equal amount of raspy voice because of a, you know, yeah. Yeah. True. True. True. True. True.

[00:26:02] True. True. True. But she doesn't confront. Sometimes she did. And say. Yeah. there was some dude with a gun when she was like, bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. I know. So many times when she has put her life in danger. I liked that in this case, when she ended up alone in a room with Anne, it was not intentional until the very end. like the first time she had not and i mean um kate when she ended up alone in a room with kate

[00:26:31] and it was it got like kind of dicey it it what for once it wasn't her like going alone to confront a murderer i was like she actually acted in her own self-interest in this case like she cared about her safety which was a nice change of pace yeah i'm like what are you doing get out of there right when she confronted her the first time she did it outside the apartment where everybody

[00:26:56] was standing after being evacuated with the fire alarm right so she yeah yeah and she said i know what you did and i heard in my head you psycho nice hey sandra wir haben uns ja lange nicht mehr gesehen grüß dich nadine mensch du siehst ja toll

[00:27:20] aus ja danke ich habe mein plus fürs gesündere ich entdeckt was komm ich zeig's dir die bewegungskurse der aok plus kostenfrei für aok plus versicherte entdecke dein plus fürs gesündere ich und starte mit unserem self-check ganz einfach online auf aok.de aus liebe zur gesundheit aok plus i want to just oh wait jen did you have more i just was thinking about kate she's also quite

[00:27:49] elegant oh i dress nicely she has these scarves and she looks great and it's kind of hard to imagine her um in prison she's also incredibly cultured like she knows all this poetry she recites poetry she recognized a william eggleston print i wouldn't have recognized that i was like you can't fake

[00:28:12] that like let's say she set this up she identified a mark in ann and she like set out to seduce her by being knowledgeable about poetry i don't think you can be that facile with poetry after just like a week of studying that was real i think yeah this episode had kind of some things in common with last week because you have these really capable criminals and they're uh kate is kind of a con artist

[00:28:42] herself you know she came in knowing that she was uh working with a former poetry professor so she quoted some poetry and you know figured out how to get it in there and then even at the end um it was similar because charlie set up a con against her just like last week you know yeah

[00:29:06] i like the way they're doing that i um well the con artists are the perfect foil for charlie because she's all about honesty so like criminals that lie as like a way of life are kind of her her nemeses well yeah or they're like most vulnerable to her yeah because she can just cut right through

[00:29:31] the bullshit not to talk too much about the last uh episode but it seems that the con men didn't really utilize her true skill right it would be useful but because she was like playing the girlfriend or something i'm like oh she's there to help but no she was just there you know yeah it would have been too much i think to get into that because we saw that really pretty much in the opener you know and well you know charlie herself was kind of a con artist in in the previous to the

[00:29:59] beginning of the show's timeline she was using her ability to scam poker games that's right right yeah so you know she she used to be a liar you know or at least a cheater and and now she's on this this mission apparently to just stop people she just can't help herself when people lie to her she gets involved and she just can't seem to to stop herself from getting involved yep she also has

[00:30:28] like a deep sense of justice which i admire um i did end up re-watching michael clayton it's so funny i had oh wow i had been thinking about it recently and wanting to watch it so when it came up on the episode i was like well i i'll just watch it now and so i watched it last night and the end of michael clayton they like sort of pull a switcheroo con on someone and then and he michael clayton says to that person

[00:30:55] you're fucked you're fucked and so that's what the exact that's where that came in but it's also about isn't it about george clooney's character is kind of this morally dubious person who has to struggle with whether to do the right thing yeah kind of and maybe this is a bit of a stretch but in this episode the grandmother and the granddaughter are kind of doing something that might be morally dubious

[00:31:22] oh right right right she's adopting her yeah i mean it's it seems just smart to me but maybe that says something about my morals but anyway but then you know somebody way worse comes along and that's sort of what happened to george clooney right yeah um it's a really good movie yeah you know tony gilroy wrote that he wrote and or right it's not as good as and or but it is a very good movie and it is my

[00:31:50] favorite lawyer movie because usually i hate lawyer movies but i really like that one i'm so glad you explained that penny because i was trying to vaguely recall i never saw the film and i vaguely recall i think there was a betrayal isn't tilda swinton um uh not a morally a bright person yeah she's the

[00:32:13] general counsel of of a corporation that is um like poisoning or doing something toxic toxic and um and she uh she's in over her head and trying to like be tough enough to be general counsel of this you know billion dollar company so she's got this like i need to measure up thing i actually kind of think i want to cover michael clayton clayton on this podcast after we're done with the season i might

[00:32:40] be into that you know when i watched that i think i was at a party and not in the mood for this type of movie oh not at a party couldn't yeah pay attention to it and i thought i can't pay attention to this but now that i know tony gilroy and i i want to watch it again and give it its due well you know who else couldn't watch that movie that's right oh man and when she was sitting there tapping her

[00:33:10] uh crossword puzzle when everybody else is trying to watch a movie that gets something deep inside me like i wanted to throttle her right there like get the hell out of here yeah i'm gonna watch get out of the room yeah yeah i cannot stand someone talking making noise or whatever when i'm watching a movie or tv show this is not the time what did it mean that ann was the one who always wanted to watch the

[00:33:38] film and in fact you know uh maddie was a little bit impatient with her grandma for wanting to see it all the time like 800 times i think i mean it's george clooney it could have been a few different things but one of the main things because i just love the progression of how kate came into their lives and immediately clashed with maddie and first maddie hears her having sex with her nana and then

[00:34:07] there then she finds out she's moving in and it's like what and then at night it's the movie thing you know being super annoying and in that same exchange after you know we'd already learned that her nana loved that movie and watched it all the time then she's like uh this new girlfriend kate says it's not a good movie and nana's like yeah it's just a movie and it's like oh she's like going to the other side and then you hear and then you hear them having just even louder like the climax is a

[00:34:35] literal climax of this annoyance and i just love the way that progressed that was great i don't know why i also wondered what was up with all the fruit like why focus on fruit and i felt like there's a reference that i don't get like that that's i it just every now and then on the show i feel like some something is specific and odd enough that i'm like that is that's referring to a movie or a show

[00:34:59] or something that i have not seen i feel like it was a clue it was just there to serve as a clue to help right charlie lead charlie to kate because of the melon she was trying to she's scanning fruit i think from abdul so i feel like it was just a plot to drop right and it was an important clue for the um bodega owner with the face blindness right uh because he confirmed you know she brings in fruit

[00:35:28] or something or she returns fruit yeah so it it had at least that effect right it was a plot point that they used effectively to get charlie to confirm what she thought and also like i didn't i didn't quite understand on first watch the whole thing with the woman who accidentally got two coffees and gave one to her and that was weird and then but second watch excuse me i think the main purpose of that

[00:35:55] was she's she did her a kindness and said pay it forward which caused charlie to get a pineapple take you to the house and that was her first yeah that's how she kind of got involved you know because she's been trying not to get involved but still yeah maybe the fruit is also on some of the other metaphoric level i don't know well the pineapple is a very classic old symbol of welcoming

[00:36:18] and hospitality um so i don't know how that ties in but i've also recently learned that it is a well-known symbol for swingers right swingers display pineapples around their house to let other swingers know that they are swingers oh never so tell it let's forget the rest of the podcast tell

[00:36:39] us how you learned that yeah let's talk about these johnny cash parties real quick it wasn't at my house i i was briefly in the house of some people i did not know with another friend and after we left i was like and we all had sex no just i was like what was up with all the pineapples there's so many pineapples everywhere in their house and and he explained it to me and i was like oh and he's like

[00:37:06] the fact that you didn't know what that is is you know so tells me what i need to know about you i won't name names here but penny and i used to work together the software company and i was a software engineer and he claimed that his uh friends were swingers uh and knew a lot about it uh and he told me the uh the pineapple in a supermarket solo where the child seat is is another uh swinger indication

[00:37:34] because oh yeah yeah so anyway that's good to know i will never put a pineapple in the baby part of my grocery cart since we're talking about swinging i'm gonna mention one more thing that has to do with sex which is when you heard this and i won't go into too much detail but when you heard the second really loud sex you could tell just by the because they're they're so good with

[00:37:59] details in the show that even the sound design there you could tell that kate was the ravisher and uh and was the one being ravished well that way you know well there was like furniture moving if i got it right stuff was but just by the two differences you could all you could get the dynamic there you know wow yeah well because i don't know if ann not i'm keep getting the names mixed up i don't

[00:38:23] know if kate was legitimately attracted to ann or is even gay right like she's just it's a mark and part of the con is to be like incredibly accommodating to ann and you know take care take good care of her or whatever so she just wanted ann to feel good and therefore you know trust her yep uh yeah it's like some real uh you know talented ripley shit going on there yeah yeah exactly oh i love that

[00:38:51] movie that is a great movie um let's see where were we i was going to bring up the poetry so there's three different poems are quoted in the course of the show the first one is a william carlos williams poem called this is just to say that's the i have eaten the plums that were and she says at the fruit stand but the poem is in the ice box and which you were probably saving for breakfast forgive me they were delicious so sweet and so cold and then they have that hilarious conversation

[00:39:19] about how like william carlos williams is kind of a jerk to like take steal someone's plum and then write a poem about it like all right dude and it should have been a clue too because the first time we meet this woman she takes the best plum yeah and then yeah right in front of her face and then the second one is when um ann is grieving after maddie has died and kate quotes from a poem called one art by elizabeth bishop and i'm gonna um all the links are in the show notes if you guys want to go read

[00:39:49] these poems but uh that one was the art of losing isn't hard to master it's a really sad poem and the third one is the one that ann reads to charlie at the very end of the episode and that's an edna saint vincent malay poem and it is called i don't have the name of it here but uh she quoted from that poem and edna saint vincent malay went to the same college as me so i have a soft spot in my heart

[00:40:17] i liked the poetry as a theme i think that it is underrepresented in popular culture to read poems quote poems talk about poems and this reminded me how much i enjoy poetry when i went looking for what the references were and i started reading a bunch of poems i was like i forgot that i like this how did i forget that like it's just nice they're all well-known poets they're all well-known poets and that but yeah you're absolutely right

[00:40:46] that was it was beautiful so we haven't yet touched on a very important moment and it was not my moment to die for but it's like you know pushing charlie off the balcony yeah yeah uh so i don't know what you all thought of it but it's shocking what they just killed the lead probably not is it a dream what's going on and then we see oh i see she worked with the fireman guy to set up the thing oh and

[00:41:14] they trapped uh our kate uh because they had the camera recording i don't know what you guys i actually really didn't i didn't it was dramatic certainly but i didn't really like that moment i don't know once mickey said i owe you a favor and yeah i was like okay something's going to happen later so when she pushed her it totally it was it was like you said yes it was very dramatic but it

[00:41:43] took me out of the oh my gosh did they just kill off charlie because i knew right there something was coming because they don't say that things aren't said in this show 90 of the time when there's not going to be a payoff later on yeah this is a joke yeah i did think charlie has shown herself to be very brave on numerous occasions but i can't imagine being like all right i'm gonna set myself up to get

[00:42:11] pushed off a balcony into this big cushion and have it be the first time that she's ever done that and she was so like cool and calm about it i would have been like shaking and like looking over my shoulder making sure that exactly now to me this is another one of those moments that the writers are it's just like yeah but it's too juicy let's just do it dramatic license and you know we had an alligator

[00:42:36] earlier let's just do it and i i loved it i thought it was great okay i i always enjoy when charlie has a moment to just look really cool and that was one of those moments right and i thought i i thought oh my god she's gonna push her off but then when she really did you know you don't have time to think so i was like oh my god no wait something's gonna happen here i had no clue what it was and then when it turned out to be the fireman it just was to me really satisfying yeah well i'm with becky there

[00:43:05] when when mickey and and charlie went off to chat i knew that i was gonna come back yeah yeah we've seen it before like uh like with the at the school it's like let's set something up to catch the killer you know and i understand that's part of the genre but this was just so extreme you know uh she's not a stunt person you know uh like they're getting into almost the um realm of the surreal or at least

[00:43:34] the absurd this season i feel like the tone is more heightened so to me it fits into that but i don't i know i know it requires a little bit of suspension of disbelief like the whole lsd stuff you know that's true yeah but can you imagine the fireman going to his captain hey cap uh i need that big inflatable thingy for a non-emergency situation uh i don't know isn't there some paperwork or something you gotta fill up yeah seriously but they were already there for the false alarm from

[00:44:04] earlier so i i i think they already had the equipment on site and they just didn't go back to the firehouse it all sort of comes together very quickly yeah yeah that's true i mean it's just it's a show yeah like i feel like in the writer's room they're like let's make it fun and cut some corners in the name of fun you know yeah whatever yeah yeah i know some people like i just

[00:44:28] saw a friend of mine on facebook a few weeks back was like oh poker face is just a shell of itself this season it's absurd and it's not as smart and um i said i thought i responded to him just today saying you know what i think the last two episodes in particular were pretty fantastic and he said they really him and his wife really did like last week's episode a lot and he hadn't seen this one

[00:44:53] yet but i'm curious to see because it does feel like these two in particular are a little smarter maybe than the show has been this season i don't know yeah there's more twistiness yeah which i mean i've enjoyed the season but yeah yeah i've i didn't like the first couple of episodes of the season and but i i feel like it's been steadily increasing as we go along like the gator one was the first one i

[00:45:20] really liked jen what about you i you were saying this um season seems a lot different than one but i didn't get a sense which i feel like they're trying out different genres of um crime movies really um the last episode episode eight just the dark lighting the sort of set pieces it seemed like it

[00:45:46] was a tribute to i don't know 40s i thought of spanish prisoner did you ever see that mammoth oh yes rob and i talked about mammoth and the house of um games or something house of games yeah house of games house of games house of games even the very first episode when cynthia erivo played all

[00:46:09] those different parts it was it was um yeah i mean it was humorous it just felt over the top it felt very um geared to entertain um uh i don't know i've been trying to identify the different films and the different genres they would like to address um and or that inspired each episode

[00:46:36] and the one with uh gator that's the one with john sales right penny yes john sales was in that one gabby hoffman he was the yeah he was the gabby hoffman's uh superior officer yeah and uh i feel like there might have been a movie that john sales did that was set in florida and you know had that i don't know i i feel like there are a lot of inside references i feel like um there are a lot of

[00:47:05] actors who have been selected who have been cast who are buddies uh of natasha leone's um uh it's just like there are lots of outside references in in all of the episodes it it feels to me like a little bit like these are all the things we loved when we were in film school let's let's just do them all and then

[00:47:29] they put them on like remix it's a love it's a it's a love note to different genres of film and i i do think the show did that to a lesser degree last season too the nick nolte one in particular felt like that was a real right right and then there was the one with a theater that felt like you know it's all about theater i don't know if that counts but you know yeah more this season it feels like they're leaning into that kind of thing more as an aside can i point out to you that the

[00:47:58] winner of the short live action film category last oscars was called i'm not a robot and it's a short in which the main character discovers that she is a robot because she's using captcha to indicate that she's not a robot and captcha keeps rejecting her and saying do it again do it again do it again

[00:48:25] and then she finds out that she is in fact a robot i forgot about that film it's really good if you haven't seen it i would go look for it it's very funny there's this movie that i haven't seen yet but it's with um stephen young and the woman who was in twilight yes yeah he's like a buoy and she's a satellite or vice versa and all humanity has died out and there's some kind of like a love story between

[00:48:55] these two inanimate objects yeah it just hit one of the streaming services so i was like oh good i could i can watch that now and and then the tony winning musical is about two robots that fall in love oh i'm so out of touch with what's going on in broadway yeah it's called maybe happy ending

[00:49:18] i mean we're all heading towards that world when i know ai becomes more and more real and these girlfriend robots become more and more you know popular and you know first there will be human robot marriages and then eventually i guess robot robot marriages there won't be any humans left so might as well yeah yeah we're definitely killing ourselves off how did we get here i don't know

[00:49:50] um uh i don't remember where we are so i'm gonna just pick becky all right i just i would like i have i don't really have any main points left most of what i have left is just quotes and funny moments but i do want to give a david allen greer shout out yeah i loved him back in the day and in living color yes we talked when i don't know if you remember jason when we did

[00:50:18] our top shows of the 90s yeah that's color was one of my shows but there is a moment where you know he keeps popping up right behind charlie when she's trying to go into good buddy's apartment and it made me think of a scene in ace ventura pet detective when he's trying to avoid his landlord because he doesn't have the rent money and he's at his apartment door and the guy comes up behind him

[00:50:48] and he's like ventura and jim carrey says yes satan i wish charlie would have said that but uh i just he he didn't have a lot of screen time but i think he really did a great job of using what he did to to really just shine so i just wanted

[00:51:13] to have a david allen greer appreciation oh sure actually jim we saw him live right at the art in cambridge uh he was uh porgy and best i think he was uh sporting life because you know how it is in theater like like when the famous person walks on stage they get like an applause break and they have to wait for it and they're gonna start talking so we had that moment i really enjoyed that when when charlie was talking to him about the the laundry room and the door lock and all that stuff first of

[00:51:42] all he was like oh i would never have upgraded to a lot and then that she he was like they were running an adoption scheme i would have killed her yeah this is not a good doubt yeah how serious he was and there you're not lying yeah yeah she said uh it's alarming your candor's alarming and uh i was like there's a potential murderer right there this is so great but he's not he didn't do anything so

[00:52:09] you just gotta let it go uh all right i don't have any more big points left how about anyone else i do all right not big big but uh yeah and then we can do favorite moments yeah charlie getting involved um she said she's gonna she went to new york because she's tired of getting caught up in people's bullshit and maybe in new york where there's a mountain of bullshit it'll just be like

[00:52:36] white noise and um so you know we've kind of been talking about what's going on in her head this season and she seems a bit lost and it right that was sort of a point like i'm trying not to get involved and that sort of we see manifest because a lot of times she'll just by um instinct call someone on their bullshit and then they have some defense about it and then she goes i'm sorry none of my

[00:53:03] business she keeps saying that you know like i i'm not trying to get involved and um so then the whole jeopardy do you like jeopardy and she's like ah not really but maybe you know there's something invigorating about confronting your own mortality i meant the game show oh holy fuck yeah uh but you know she's sort of struggling with all this jeopardy that she keeps getting involved with and then

[00:53:28] she does end up getting involved and it's because she paid this kindness forward and then found an injustice and once she's in the middle of it she just can't help but help you kind of already said this but just yeah she can't stop herself yeah and they keep sort of hitting that this season so i i and i keep saying the same thing but i wonder if this is all going to come to a head somehow in the finale

[00:53:53] about it just feels like there's something that this is all heading towards her yeah resisting getting involved but continually getting involved and then people dying all the time such a good point yeah so yeah oh which reminds me both the first season and half of this season there was a the overarching story right you know she was getting shot at by like uh mobsters occasionally

[00:54:23] you know but then they kind of wrapped that up right uh and so now she's just like you know right she's a free agent so it's an interesting part of i didn't even think about that till now that yeah i don't because before there was overarching story that led to the climax at the end of the last season but now they kind of resolve that mid-season so now yeah that's another reason why i feel like

[00:54:49] this i'm looking for some bigger meaning to why she's wandering around and she yeah they are making a point they're not ignoring it that yeah that she doesn't have anybody chasing her anymore she keeps talking about maybe i'm looking for something maybe i should settle down here i'm kind of aimless or maybe i should have a pack she said last week with the con men yeah the buscemi character seems like it might play into some ending or something i don't know right um i had a couple of observations um

[00:55:19] first of all when charlie first gets there and she grabs her bag and goes in to go into good buddy's apartment for the first time that is a very small duffel bag that didn't even seem fully packed for someone who we've seen so many different outfits on well but if you think about how she i said that that is a good point but it may i think she's a thrifter so it's nothing for her to show

[00:55:46] up at a new city go hit the thrift store get a few outfits and have enough for a few days and she's always you know she she's learned to travel light so i don't think it's important she take all of that with her when she goes on to the next spot but i i see what you're saying it's a it's a thing that has always bothered me about one of my other favorite drifter shows which is supernatural that these two

[00:56:11] brothers travel the country and their trunk seems to be the tardis the trunk of their chevy impala where they have a giant selection of weapons magic like ingredients and they they always have clothes to wear like they're and we never see anything in the back seat of the car like how are they bringing the stuff everywhere it's i mean i know it's supernatural but yeah it's just uh it's always

[00:56:39] i'm always like where do they keep their luggage like they must have clean underwear like where is it but charlie's a little bit the same i think that's kind of funny also that good buddies uh welcome matt said home is where the mustard is and then later when she opened the fridge there was like nine different kinds of mustard that was weird i like mustard so i was okay with it that was a good shot

[00:57:05] from inside the fridge with all the different mustard bottles yeah that also felt referential to me i was like yeah i think i've seen this shot several times but i felt like it was intentional that it was referencing something i don't know what do you guys think about her theory about the bullshit in new york merging into some kind of white noise oh yeah it didn't work oh yeah that's true no i think it's

[00:57:33] been debunked i i thought she i understood her point or what what she was trying to achieve there because there is so much noise that it would be impossible to be to focus on you know one specific situation but i also think like it's kind of the opposite effect there are so many people there

[00:58:01] yeah it's a lot of blends into to one big white noise but you're also going to run into a lot of people yeah you have your little world within the bigger world yeah so i i was about to say chances are that any given apartment building like if there's one murder you're probably done for a while and she's

[00:58:24] safe but then i remembered only murders in the building oh man that was almost an opportunity for crossover here that would have been hilarious i would have loved that yes i love only murders in the building that is a great show that would be a good mix up mashup it'd be really funny uh let's see

[00:58:45] let's move around jen what do you have left yes i am i'm i'm i don't know i just uh i like that opening scene a lot too um i like the fact that there was a an asian lawyer um i it seemed like a very

[00:59:07] uniquely sort of asian idea although i know it's not uniquely asian that this actually does happen in new york a lot where people want to latch on to that rent control department um but it seemed very cozy and uh unthreatening and not that diabolical um i i like that family it's about family family

[00:59:34] yeah they never reveal why aquafina's parents kicked her out when she was a teenager but i felt like it was almost justified for the grandmother to adopt her since her parents kicked her out it's like right yeah he was her parent yeah right i also want to point out that the the actor who played

[00:59:57] nana slash ann lauren tom is only 27 years older than aquafina i was like well those were some young mothers to make that work all right and uh so let's go rob do you have notes left um just so just one so in general the building was nice but man there was a big disparity between the rooms and the upper floors and like the hallway

[01:00:22] and the laundry room down on the lower floor uh right it seemed like it was a little more luxurious upstairs but that hallway was almost kind of like you know you're watching saw or something you know there's like like people are gonna die in there it's especially the laundry room was just horrifying right and that and that looked like it was a location shoot

[01:00:46] that looked like many basements of apartment buildings that i have been in that i felt all the time in danger when i was using the laundry facilities jason anything left i um i love just that it's about this rent control department we haven't really talked about that yet that's the motive for the murder right to get the rent control department and i love that the stakes in the show

[01:01:11] aren't always super high it's murder but it's for a relatively small reason although i looked it up and you know ann said her rent is 650 and chat gpt says a new york penthouse apartment listing listing showing two bedroom sorry let me say that again chat gpt says new york penthouse oh three bedroom okay well i just looked up two bedrooms three bedrooms four bathrooms she said

[01:01:40] two fireplaces two bedrooms range from 7 000 to 18 000 per month luxury can be 20 000 or higher so it's even higher than that with the three bedrooms yeah so i guess the stakes aren't that low it was a really nice apartment and there were several shots of kate like enjoying how nice the apartment was and being all like like feeling herself in there and like picturing herself living there long term you could

[01:02:08] tell it reminded me of friends of course yeah an apartment that nobody should be able to afford although they were illegally subletting and friends they established that at some point like season eight or something like that i think there's actually a scene in friends where i think it's after they switch apartments and chandler comes in and jumps over the couch just like kate did and lands and puts her hands behind her head

[01:02:36] very nice um the laundry trap could have killed anyone like kate is a monster right like it's one thing to murder one specific person because you want something i understand the logic to that but like that laundry trap really could have killed anybody else who went to the laundry room at that time yeah that's true yeah and that's just reckless i like the fact that you just coined the phrase laundry trap by the way

[01:03:04] that was kind of cool well it wasn't laundry trap she used the spin cycle and the bleach and i've never heard of dscaler before but it sounds horrible yeah and i'll talk to a potato lady she'll tell you all about it oh yeah that's true i want to hang out with potato lady she seems cool yeah now that was a thoroughly on new york scene that she's sitting out in front of the apartment it's not the stew

[01:03:31] it's the apartment building and she's peeling onion peeling to potatoes that was very unlikely and it had to be a reference to something that i do not know it was pretty unlikely it all i kept thinking though was boil and mash and put them in a stew from um lord of the rings it just was on in my head on a repeat there is a remix of that of sam's boil and mash and put them in a stew there's a hip-hop version of it

[01:04:00] where it's been mixed with like dance music and it's pretty great um i love that her friends the librarian has tats because he loves the art of visual storytelling yeah uh it was a funny episode i i love the new tenant guy at the end i don't think you'd get it it's a big ass bed but it's a circle not a rectangle then we'll just tear out all the wood floors replace it

[01:04:27] with carpet or something more soft and a shit ton of taxidermy but like ironic oh yeah boys this place is gonna fuck yeah it seemed like the absolute worst um i enjoyed kate's we talked about this a little bit earlier but kate's threatening of ricardo you know how she's like have you been inside and he's like yeah most of the day it's kind of hot out or whatever and and um and then she takes the the

[01:04:55] photo the eggleston print and then she decides to threaten him by leaving the print in the lobby and breaking the glass and the look on his face when he saw the broken glass of the print was so like terrified and heartbroken i just i thought it was a hilarious moment and then she uses the the knife as a instead of a finger to say shh to him like don't talk and i the whole thing about

[01:05:19] their interaction was just uh delightful also also when he escapes the scene he's on this cute bright red little you know it's a motorcycle but it's a little thing it's not like a big harley davidson he's just like scooting away on this bright red little bike it was very cute quite comical

[01:05:47] and i think oh i just the cast i love the cast and i was thinking what's my favorite thing that each of them has been in aquafina uh crazy rich asians and shang chi alia shock at of course arrested development i love that show so much um lauren tom joy luck club and i think yeah she was ross's uh

[01:06:12] girlfriend and friends oh that's right i forgot about julie and uh of course david allen greer from in living color also pej vadet who was abdul the blind store clerk was a semi-regular character on bones for many years um i uh i enjoyed all of the cast aquafina jen mentioned earlier that movie the farewell if you

[01:06:37] haven't seen it it's it's incredibly good i really recommend it it's a it's a charming movie about family loyalty culture um love it's it's great and funny awkwardness between generations you know all of that yeah it's delightful last thing i had is uh when i think it was when she

[01:07:01] brought the pineapple and kate kind of wanted to get rid of her and was about to close the door on her and she got in there and you know oh so sorry so sorry and then asked her more questions i think that's just very much a colombo move right she just right right right one more thing just one more yeah

[01:07:23] well i think it's time for us to move on to our listener feedback section and we have a quick note from lisa spurr about episode eight she said best episode definitely conned me and she left a voicemail so i'm going to play that now nice hey podcastica this is lisa here and i'm sorry if the sound quality

[01:07:48] isn't great i'm driving back from the beach and listening to the um murder magnets recap of sorry and um great recap as usual there were a couple things i wanted to mention one is that you mentioned

[01:08:12] that there were only two bar stools when charlie came into the bar but actually i also noticed that when um melanie linsky's character came in there were no bar stools at the bar which seemed odd to me and i didn't notice if there were more than two tables but um you know possibly that was the case so that she would end up sitting near um john cho's character so i don't know i thought that was

[01:08:41] interesting also the um the guy in the crew that was the actor at one point was sitting on the reading uh book and i had to rewind and see what book it was it was the method which is um i think the guy's name is danislovsky the uh it's the school of acting which you know the method uh method acting

[01:09:05] so i thought that was kind of funny um i feel like there was one other thing but i can't remember i'm driving i'll just call it there love you guys love all the podcasts and uh have a great day oh thanks lisa wow that's great i um yeah i assumed that the the weirdness of the only two

[01:09:28] bar stools was to force someone to be social with the john cho character yeah alec guy whatever his name was yeah more and more it seems like the hotel must have had to have been in on it right kick back or something yeah uh we have one piece of feedback on this episode from jared uh jen why don't you read it jared says they have clearly hit a stride at this point i smiled through

[01:09:58] most of this episode except when it got a little too tense great characters and so many awesome moments every time you think you know where they're going they surprise you i've got to ask does any show on tv past or present do representation better than poker face all all identities in all types of roles

[01:10:23] that is so satisfying lastly can someone please check on poor ricardo took off oh yes it's gonna need some therapy yeah that was funny because he's just like i don't want don't ask me anything i'm out of here and you never see him again i agree about the representation and i heard becky offer up the pit which does have fantastic representation star trek i agree and uh

[01:10:50] one of my favorites is the hundred it does a great job with queer representation where characters are queer but they just are and it's not the point of the story which i really enjoy walking dead got really pretty good about that towards the end in the beginning it was like not so much in the beginning yeah yeah it wasn't so great in the beginning but i appreciate the representation and i love that it's so seamless in the show that i didn't actually even notice and think about it yeah yeah in fact i feel like

[01:11:18] whenever i mention it i'm like i shouldn't i should just be not mentioning this anymore i don't know representation matters it's cool yeah it's cool applauding it matters i agree well thank you everybody who wrote in and who called and left a voicemail there's a couple of voicemails we couldn't do because of some kind of glitch where we didn't receive them so i'll reach out to those people and let them know to resend them in and i really want to thank our guest hosts

[01:11:44] and invite people to check out rob's art at robgon.com and i'll put that in the show notes and or read his thoughts on he's written a lot about artificial intelligence on medium he's actually incredibly knowledgeable on the subject that's cool all right thank you penny uh he and jen collaborate on all that artwork i'm not moving her out of that she's my muse no i'm more like his manager i think my muse manager

[01:12:15] so if you want to write in or leave us a message you can find all our contact info at podcastica.com and you can find our other shows and links to our social media pages there too and uh we just um covered on the cast of us 28 days later last week in preparation for 28 years later which

[01:12:42] is out in theaters now and we're going to be recording on that early uh in a few days here so that's one thing that's going on on the network right now and still slaying is back from an extremely long hiatus we just uh posted an episode and we're back on schedule and we will be covering more buffy and angel to come and a little ways down the line

[01:13:07] we'll we'll take a break and we're going to cover sinners as our next movie nice cool yeah and becky is going strong over on what's on tonight covering the better sister which is such a fun show oh my gosh i just want to get to the end everybody else knows what oh yeah i hate i hate that oh i hate when the show comes out all at once and you have to yeah by week yeah we do pat ourselves

[01:13:36] on the back at the end of each episode we record that we had that we stayed we've stayed faithful and true and have not moved on to the next episode but thank you penny um it's impressive glad you're listening and yeah y'all could check us out our podcast is what's on tonight i'd also uh as far as podcasting it goes like to suggest anyone enjoying or not enjoying

[01:14:02] the walking dead dead city to check out ben and alex i don't know that i've ever laughed so much listening to the two of them do coverage of a show that everybody i think is kind of has a love hate relationship with so they're over on podcasting check them out yeah alex has been a good addition to that podcast and it was a very smart move of ben to bring in a regular co-host because all his

[01:14:31] guest co-hosts dropped out but they're making the best they're making the most of it i was a guest oh okay not all of them dropped out but a lot of them i was one that dropped out well thanks for listening and don't forget to follow subscribe to murder magnets wherever you get your podcasts and we just love five star reviews yes please

[01:14:59] next time we'll be covering season two episode episode 10 the big pump oh i know what i hope that's about i love these titles because we're like that could be one of a few different things yeah well that's all for this episode thanks for listening oh and uh lisa spear we know what you did you psycho you