19: “Day of the Iguana” (S2E11)

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[00:00:30] Hmm? Ah! Hmm. Tell her I didn't invite her, because I don't want her in my life. I'm doing fine without her. You tell her I am crushing without her. Now leave me the fuck alone! Hey, Booker! Oh, no! What? Oh, you know, my thoughts exactly. Please, what the fuck, man? What are you doing here? I am not here.

[00:00:57] Oh, I see. Am I talking to some kind of an ABBA, Tupac hologram situation here? Stop it. No, stop it. I'm me, but I'm undercover. Okay, because I was gonna say, holy shit, that's some very impressive technology you got going at the FBI. Really, huh? What, are you busting up this Ballzilla scam? Yes, that is exactly what I'm doing. Bullshit. Never get used to that. This is not what I need right now.

[00:01:23] Oh, of course, because you and me, same time, same place. Usually some bad shit goes down. Well, that, and it's gonna set back my therapy by several months. Been working on my imposter syndrome since I keep getting promoted because of... Well, you. Oh. Gosh, I'm sorry. Or... Congratulations.

[00:01:44] I'm Becky.

[00:02:19] And this is Murder Magnets, a podcast dedicated to the Peacock original show Poker Face. This episode, we're covering Poker Face Season 2, Episode 11, Day of the Iguana. Directed by, is that Ty West? I think so. And written by Andrew Cedroski and Taya Ho. I just wanted to give a shout out and thanks to Mandy for covering for me last week.

[00:02:48] You guys did a great job covering Episode 10, which was an episode I loved. It was a great one. It really was. I was watching it, I think probably like at the exact same time that you guys were recording, was when I got a chance to start watching it. And I was like, oh, I'm gonna talk about... Nope, I'm not on this episode. Oh, I know what I'm gonna talk about. Oh wait, I'm not on this episode. But you guys did a great job and I have really enjoyed listening as just a fan, which is, you know, a fun experience.

[00:03:16] And so many times Mandy makes the same joke that I would have made. So I feel like she's like, like a sister from another mister, you know, like, I need to get to know Mandy better because she seems like I, like she and I have similar brains. When she and I started podcasting together and then she started her dinner for her podcast. I was like, you have got to get with Penny. You and Penny are so much alike.

[00:03:45] It's not even funny. So I am so glad that these worlds have combined and you guys are getting to know each other because you're too, you're, you are very, you're like sisters from another misters. And you called it that Watergate salad sounded absolutely vile and disgusting to me. I knew you would hate that. You were like, Oh, Penny would hate this. And I was like, she knows me so well.

[00:04:09] Speaking of food you hate the, my new job, they have a little cafe where you can buy snacks and like pre-made salads and stuff like that. And I noticed it for the first time yesterday when I was leaving the cafe, they have Vienna sausages and I almost took a picture to send to you and be like lunch is served.

[00:04:36] And then I was like, Oh, I loved when you posted for last week's episode for feedback that you called Jason Ritter, Mr. Melanie Linsky. That totally cracked me up. That's how I see him. And I don't mean to no disrespect to, I also called him John and had to change it to Jason. That's just, he's, that's just who he is to me. I don't think he would mind that. I don't think so. From every interview I've ever seen with him.

[00:05:05] He is so all in, in his adoration for his wife that I don't think he would mind being seen as her like appendage at all. So I just thought it was really funny because of how much I love Melanie Linsky. I'm so glad whenever I see them in the same thing. It's cool. Yeah. They, they were both in Candy, which is that it's a based on a true story murder. I saw it. Uh, yeah, short series, mini series.

[00:05:33] And, uh, when he shows up in an episode, cause Melanie Linsky is one of the main characters, but he's like, he just plays a cop and it's like, Oh my God, there's Jason Ritter. And he just, Timberlake is in it. The two of them are partner cops. Oh my God. That was weird. Yeah. And they're both married to the stars. Yeah. So cute. I love, I just, Jessica Biel has been on my radar. And then I watched candy.

[00:06:02] And then when we just finished covering the better sister, she is a talented woman. And if you know any of y'all out there, just a quick, if you haven't watched her in the center, you need to watch that show because she, that was good. And she like wrote and directed and she was very involved in that. And that's where she really, I was like, okay, this mad respect for this woman. Yeah.

[00:06:29] She's, I think she's underrated because she got her start on seventh heaven, which is kind of a goofy show, but she's incredibly talented and I think deserves more serious attention. Should we get into it? Yes. Yes. Let's get into it. Why don't you start us off by reading the synopsis. Alex talks Charlie into joining her as an old timey oyster shucker at a fancy wedding.

[00:06:56] And as coincidence would have it, the groom is Beatrix Haas' son and the FBI is on site. Hey, Luca. As usual, mayhem ensues and Charlie ends up all wrapped up in it. I was so excited to see Luca again though. Me too. I liked it a little clap. I was like, yay. It's in my big exclamation point. L you Luca exclamation point.

[00:07:26] So let's let you go first this time. What is your moment to die for? I had a really hard time choosing because there were so many funny lines and moments, but I finally landed on the moment when Lily Taylor emerges from the balloon truck and she has to like shove all the balloons out of the way. And then her like tough FBI person comes through all the silly balloons. I just, I thought that was delightful.

[00:07:56] That was a great moment. I loved her sensitivity training. Yeah. I'm a big fan of Lily Taylor. Just same. She's such a great actress. So many great actors and actresses in this show. Yeah. Well, my moment to die for is when they pull up to the wedding and the top, the box on the car says, yippee kai yay oyster shucker.

[00:08:21] And Alex talks about her oyster shucker wedding empire business and they get paid $7,000 per wedding. Her quote, these oysters make the perfect or make the ultimate sacrifice for us. We honor that by making sure no oyster dies in vain. This is the oyster shuckers code.

[00:08:41] Alex has climbed the ladder as probably my favorite person that Charlie has interacted with in both seasons. She really is delightful. So one of my points is Alex. So let's just start there. Excellent. A lot of people may. Okay, let me take that back. Not a lot of people, but a couple of people in the Facebook group, the podcast Facebook group are talking about Alex.

[00:09:09] And first they were like, maybe she's a psychopath and she's lying all the time. But because she's a psychopath, Charlie doesn't know she's lying. And there's like all these people. They're all like, yeah, I think she's a psycho. I think she's a psychopath. And I'm like, I don't really know what you're basing that on. And then this week, there's a theory that she's the iguana. No. That she's the assassin. And I think she's just on the spectrum.

[00:09:37] Like, I don't get assassin from her at all. But because I saw that comment on Facebook, when I watched the episode again, I was sort of looking for things that were suspicious about Alex. And one is just her befriending Charlie in the first place, right? The very first time she interacted with Charlie, it was like, oh, I have this extra coffee. Do you want one? And gave it to Charlie. That was a little weird, but whatever.

[00:10:05] And then, you know, asking her basically being like, will you be my friend? Last week, and you know, they joined the gym together and everything. I didn't, it's not that suspicious. But then I was like, if she were trying to find Beatrix has becoming friends with Charlie would be a good strategy. Mm hmm. So I was like, all right, so let's pretend for a minute. She does have the superpower where she can lie and Charlie can't detect it. And she has befriended Charlie on purpose.

[00:10:34] And somehow she got Charlie to also work at this wedding that's Beatrix has son. And she wanted him dead. But we fully saw the Justin Theroux character kill. Well, we saw him drug and drag away Kirby. And he certainly had the intention to kill. And we saw him kill the real Todd. So like that guy was definitely a killer.

[00:11:04] Yeah. So could there have been two assassins at the wedding? And like, did she, and we don't know who hired the, I'm calling him hot Todd, the fake Todd, because he had a conversation on the phone and that was using the other side was using a voice modulator. So it could have actually been Alex on the other side of the phone being like, find a patsy and frame them and then walking into the boathouse immediately so that she would conveniently be made the patsy. Wow, that's deep.

[00:11:34] It's not the most far fetched theory. No, it's not. But I, you know, and think so.

[00:11:41] To add to your, to the theory, the legitimacy of it, when she was talking in the con episode, the sleazy Georgian, and he, they, she has a conversation with dude that maybe that a psychopath could trick her. So maybe that conversation happened for a reason.

[00:12:09] Listen, I refuse to believe Alex is bad because I need Charlie. Charlie needs her. I need Charlie to have her and I need them to have this amazing friendship, but it's possible. I mean, it, what you're saying at could, could add up. Right. It's not completely ridiculous. No. As a theory. I also really want Alex to not be a psychopath.

[00:12:38] I really want Charlie to have a friend. I feel like if Alex turns out to be a bad person and betrays Charlie, I don't know how you ever recover from that kind of betrayal. Because she's been through so many occasions of like people lying and people turning on her and people she cares about dying. And like, she finally has a friend. And then if the friend turns on her, like that is dark. You know, I don't see how she comes back from that after everything else that she's been through.

[00:13:05] I wouldn't be able to trust anybody if I were her and something else, Penny, you've got my brain turning now. So Alex is definitely allergic to cinnamon. Mm hmm. And they're getting ready to go see Beatrix. And what is Beatrix doing with all of her free time now? Baking cookies. And what do you use when you bake? A lot of times cinnamon. Yeah. Yeah. That's not a good sign. I hadn't thought about that. Mm hmm.

[00:13:34] And I've been concerned since she said that, that cinnamon was going to be how Alex goes out. But maybe it's going to be what? But maybe it'll be a clue instead. Like someone will be like, Alex did this. See the cinnamon scone she left here half eaten. And Charlie will be like, aha. So maybe it'll be a clue instead of a murder device. I'm going to go with that.

[00:14:03] I need this to be a good relationship, but that is a great. That is creative theory, but it is creative. That's a good word. Yeah, it's a creative theory. I like it. I like that our listeners are that engaged with the show that they're coming up with like, you know, like things that we're not seeing. Like I never would have thought that Alex was a psychopath to me. She very much reads as neurodivergent. I agree with you. Yeah.

[00:14:30] Like her compulsive honesty seems to me like a neurodivergent trait and just her general sort of awkwardness. But but also there's like an innocence to her that the fact that she's had 11 failed businesses. Although it did occur to me that one of her failed businesses could have been selling ballzilla. And that would give her some motive to kill Kirby. Possible. Yeah, that's true.

[00:15:02] We don't know that for sure. It's just possible. Oh, my God. Now I've got so so much thought in my head now. Just my backup moment to die for was yippee ki yay oyster shucker. It's when I when I was waiting on you to say it, I was like, here it comes. Here it comes. I just it took me a second for I was reading it and I was like, wait a minute. Like that is genius.

[00:15:30] And then to realize she did this, this her business, somebody didn't just hire her to go do this. And she's doing it on her own. And I love how. You know, she's in love with the oyster and what the sacrifice of the oyster and when fake Todd. Unplugs her cooler and all the oysters die and she's like, this is murder. I will get all we'll get whoever did this. It was adorable.

[00:15:59] And I just so happened to have been in Wellfleet last week and had some Wellfleet oysters over the weekend, separately from being in Wellfleet. I had Wellfleet oysters at a place in Newton, but I thought it was just funny coincidence that they came up on the show. Wellfleet is a town on Cape Cod, and it's just known for having really excellent oysters that you could get there. See your, your hate of processed meats and little tiny wieners.

[00:16:28] I can't do oysters. I have tried them pretty much every way they can be served. And I just, I love shrimp, lobster. What's the other, not, not an oyster, but. Oh, clams, clams, like clams, all those. I love oysters, but I just, I have tried the oyster and I don't. It's not for everyone. Yeah.

[00:16:56] The texture is not great, but I do love them. And I didn't used to. It took me a long time to, I was like 30 when I said, you know, I'm going to try all the foods I think I hate again and see if I really hate them. And. You guys should do that. Yeah. In the course of that adventure, I found out that I love oysters and I love kimchi. So that was very exciting. Uh, unfortunately. I still really do not like Brussels sprouts.

[00:17:25] Just no, thank you. No Brussels sprouts. My husband makes. Brussels sprouts. We take them. We, um, boil them. And then you put them on a baking pan and smash them. And then put, uh, like a little bit of whatever seasoning you want. And then you top them with Parmesan cheese, like fresh shredded Parmesan cheese, bake them. And they get like. A little crisp to them. Mm.

[00:17:53] That is how I can enjoy eating Brussels sprouts. Cause otherwise I'm like you, I've, I've never been a fan, but it's like his favorite vegetable. So. All right. A lot of people love them. That's fine. Just not for me. I'm happy with my actual favorite vegetable, which is broccoli. Very happy. Mine too. Yay. We're so much alike in some ways. I know it's completely different. I will add to your Alex. Just to talk about her and Charlie's relationship. And I liked when.

[00:18:23] She was getting hit on. And Charlie comes to talk to her about it. Even though his line of shucking her like a fresh oyster. It was absolutely disgusting. It just. So dirty. My heart. Yeah. It warmed my heart to see them. Bonding over boys. And. We learned a lot more about her that she's got a lot of student debt and that's why she keeps trying to come up with these. Businesses to. To get it. And then.

[00:18:55] I loved that when she screamed, I didn't do it. Charlie's like, oh my God, that's true. And she Charlie went to bat for her with Luca. Like she told me she didn't do it. She didn't do it. And. Yeah. Luca's like, okay. She didn't do it. So I just. I love Charlie and Alex. I need them to be. I need her to be good. I think they're really cute together. And there was this other moment when Alex says, when I met you, I was at the lowest point in my life.

[00:19:25] Yeah. I feel like things will turn finally turn around. And Charlie says, oh, shucks. And Alex is like, is that an oyster pun? Yeah. I was like, that was an oyster pun. That was an awesome oyster pun. Yeah. I liked it when she showed up at her house with breakfast and the look on Charlie's face is me whenever someone calls or knocks on the door. It's like, you want to do something? It's like, eh, no, not without a warning. Come on. Yeah.

[00:19:52] She, uh, she brings breakfast and she's like, nobody brings breakfast unless they want something. It's really true. Yeah. Because if I want a favor from someone, I will bring them a present of some kind. Like either food or like something I know they want. Oh yeah, you gotta warm them up. Hey Spotify, it's Dampson Idris here to celebrate Tommy Hilfiger's Apex GP Collection.

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[00:20:43] Another oyster pun was that when Hot Toddy first meets Alex and then she leaves the boathouse, he looks at her and he goes, Patsy on the half shell. Which, it's usually oysters on the half shell. So, I thought that was clever. Can I read you the short history of where the term Patsy comes from? Because I did not know. Oh, I don't know.

[00:21:09] I've heard it in shows forever and I was curious so I Googled it and here's what I got. The term Patsy, meaning a person who is easily tricked or manipulated, likely originates from the Italian word Pazzo, meaning foolish or crazy. This Italian word brought to America by immigrants was likely Americanized into Patsy.

[00:21:33] Another theory suggests it might be derived from a character in an old vaudeville skit named Patsy Bolivar, who is often blamed for things going wrong. That's so interesting. I thought so too. So, I was like, okay, I'm gonna bring a little school to the podcast today. I just... Yep. Well then... People have made it so easy to hear things and be like, I wonder where that comes from and now you can go find out.

[00:22:02] I know, it's so satisfying because back in the day before Google, you'd be like, I wonder where that comes from? Guess I'll never know. Yeah! Or get your A through Z Encyclopedia Britannica. You know my mom still has our set of encyclopedias. Oh my God. That's amazing. They're so out of date. They probably have countries in there that don't even exist anymore.

[00:22:30] Yeah, but I appreciate that she still has them because it's... I love kids nowadays, especially fussing about school and how hard it is. I'm like, y'all have no idea. Yeah. And it's like, do you even know what a card catalog is? Of course not. They don't really have them in libraries anymore. It's all digital. They don't? No.

[00:23:19] No. Yeah. Tell you what though, if you can get your hands on one, an old card catalog dresser or whatever. The cabinets are great, great home furnishings. I've seen a lot of those. I live in a building with a lot of artists and I've seen a lot of those used by artists who use them to sort like buttons and different embroidery threads or like craft supplies.

[00:23:47] Like, cause there are all these little drawers and they have a place for a label on the front. So it's perfect for like tiny things that need to be separately stored. I've always wanted one, but I don't have any space for it. So. Same. Nobody send me one. Yeah. Everyone. Write to me and we're going to do a collection. It's a prize penny with a card catalog.

[00:24:15] I'll find a place for it if it shows up. That's what I say. She'll figure it out. I promise. That's like, I don't know, like four or five months ago, I was in HomeGoods and I took a picture of this leopard that was like a disco ball. It was completely covered with little tiny mirror tiles. And, and I was like, I didn't even figure out the price because I was afraid if it was affordable, I was going to buy it and bring it home with me.

[00:24:43] And, and I, you know, I posted on Facebook and everybody was like, why didn't you buy it and take it home with you? Like, what's the matter with you? And I was like, well, let's put it this way. If it shows up in my life, I won't be mad, but I am not going to be the one who brings it home. That's great. And then I was like, my birthday's in September. Everyone make a mental note.

[00:25:04] Thank goodness we have podcasts because in September I'll be like, dang it. What was I going to get Penny for a birthday? And I can, you can just look it up and be like, oh, that's right. Disco Panther. Yeah. Disco Panther. Oh my gosh.

[00:25:23] So, um, speaking of going to school, I wanted to talk a little bit about Ballzilla and MLMs, which are, which is short for multi-level marketing.

[00:25:37] And there are, it's also called network marketing or direct marketing businesses. There are legal and illegal versions. The illegal versions are called pyramid schemes, or as the guy dressed as a bottle of, or a can of Ballzilla said, a triangle business opportunity. Yeah, that was great. That was hilarious. And then I love that Charlie goes, huh, Euclidean. I was like, God, she's so educated. Like Euclid is a Greek mathematician who like invented geometry.

[00:26:05] So the fact that she knew triangle was Euclidean. I'm like, she's so much smarter than she puts out. You know what I mean? Like she's so well read and so whatever. So anyway, just MLMs are, like I said, multi-level marketing enterprises or schemes, if you're more cynical. And the way they work is that there's no store, then all the business is done sort of personally and peer to peer.

[00:26:34] So you get the products, whatever they are. And the number of multi-level marketing businesses I found online, there was like this list of it on the FTC website of like known ones. And it was pages and pages and pages. There's so many of them. Some of the best known ones are Mary Kay, Avon, Amway, LuLaRoe, Herbalife.

[00:26:55] I can't imagine there's anyone listening to this who has not been approached by a friend to have a jewelry party at your house and invite all your friends so that I can sell them jewelry. And then I'll recruit you and you can sell jewelry. And then you can get all of your friends just to have parties at their houses and invite their friends. And then if I recruit you to also be a dealer, then I get a percentage of everything you sell. And then whoever recruited me gets a percentage of whatever I sell. That's how it works.

[00:27:23] Yeah, that went right. That ran rampant around my friend circle for a good two years. Nobody ever signed up to be a seller. But man, I got some great jewelry out of those parties. I have bought a couple of pieces of jewelry at those parties. And I did buy some Mary Kay from a friend who was trying to make money that way. But I've never signed up to be one, to be a seller.

[00:27:50] And I think what happens is what happened to the Balzilla guy happens a lot is that you put a lot of money up front buying product. And then if you're not really good at selling it and using your friend and family network to sell, you don't make that money back ever. And you're just stuck with a bunch of product that you don't want. And so this guy, he said he spent $46,000 and made $345. And then Charlie's like, $1,000? And he was like, what? Yeah.

[00:28:21] It's $345. So that is like less than 1% of what he put into the business that he made back. It has bankrupted people. I have heard stories of people who have like garages full of boxes of leggings that they can't unload. There are some businesses like this that are run legally.

[00:28:45] And some people do make a lot of money this way, but it's rare. Most people fail and lose money and are miserable as a result. Some people go bankrupt. And some of them are very illegal and put a lot of pressure on people. And there's lots of lawsuits. And I love in this, they had a throwaway line where they were like, aren't there a couple, a bunch of lawsuits about that? And the woman was like, oh, at least two of those have settled.

[00:29:14] Like, not we're innocent, not it's a legal business. Right. Two of those were settled. Like, that's not a big deal. And this guy Kirby is a real piece of work that he has his wedding like sponsored by Ballzilla. And he's like trying to recruit people at the wedding. He's like, you know, and he's all about like manifesting stuff. Everything about Kirby is reprehensible. He has like the guy dressed as a Ballzilla can at the wedding. So tacky.

[00:29:42] It's like the tackiest thing I've ever seen. And he tries to recruit Todd. And then when Charlie goes to talk to him about Beatrix and sort of like, you know, I don't know, make him soften himself to Beatrix or something. I'm not sure why Charlie cared, but she did. His response was, I'm so mad that I never had a relationship with her, with her criminal network. Think about how much product we could move. Yeah. Oh, his priorities, man.

[00:30:12] And it's obvious where they are. I'm so glad you're the murder victim this episode. Like I wrote in my notes, Kirby is a dick. Yeah. Okay. So he's responsible for his high school teacher's eye being lost. Right? Yeah. Because he says something, he makes a comment. I didn't know a rubber band could do that. And do you remember the eye goo? Yeah. It was in your classroom that day. So he. And he thought it was funny. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:30:40] Like called like demanded a performance from him that used the fake eye that he has. And that was an opportunity for the show to have a direct Columbo reference. That's great. But thinking about what a complete tool Kirby is to be like, ha ha. Remember when I maimed you? Ha ha. Now perform it for us. Like what? Oh my God.

[00:31:04] And then when they're right before fake Todd stabs him in the, or with, gets him with the, um, drug there in the, uh, urinal and he goes to stand next to him and he's like telling him to, you know, move over. And he calls him a perv and says, that's why we all used to rag on you back in, back in the day. And it's even more, I thought they were classmates at first.

[00:31:32] It's even more horrifying when you do realize. Kirby was a teacher. Yeah. So gross. Yeah. So yeah, I wasn't. I'm glad it coming. He did. I wasn't sad to see him, to see him go well performed by Haley Joel Osment, who started his acting career. Oh my God. That's who that was. Yeah. As like the cutest cutie pie in the world. Right. Oh, that was so over my head.

[00:32:00] And he has lately been playing like weasley douchebags a lot and he's good at it. I imagine he's not like that in real life, but he's really good at playing that. Wow. I'm just shocked. I didn't catch. I didn't catch. That's who that was. Yeah. He sees dead people. Now he is dead people. I did like it when he was talking about ballzilla powder supplements powder your balls.

[00:32:28] Like that's I mean, it's a horrible product and it sounds terrible, but. There's a lot of jokes that can be made with the word balls and ballzilla. Oh yeah. I don't care how old you are. It's going to be funny. It's funny when hot toddy was like he had a drink of the signature cocktail and he was like, Oh, what's in this? It tastes like balls. People say that about something that just tastes bad. But then the woman's like, yes, that's the main ingredient. Yeah.

[00:33:00] So gross. And then when he's when he's flirting with Alex and he brings her he's like, I thought you'd want something that doesn't have ballzilla in it. And she's like, then how would I get my weekly dose of radioactive sludge? Yeah. Yeah. I. Oh, God, I I'm glad that ballzilla isn't a real product, but there are certainly plenty of products out there that taste disgusting and are disgusting. I think about the amount of Red Bull I used to drink. You know, I've never even tried one. Oh, it.

[00:33:30] It's like sucking on a sour. Sweet tart. Like it's like drinking powder. I don't I don't know how else to describe the what I just I used to drink them so much. And then I realized like how bad that is like that level of jolt of caffeine raising your heart rate and stuff like that.

[00:33:56] I was like, and plus sugar free Red Bull does not taste well nothing sugar free tastes as good as the real. So but it's like that's a crap ton of sugar that I'm drinking. So I am when ever this drink got passed around on something. She was like, it's vodka. Charlie was drinking it. It was vodka and ballzilla, but it was mostly vodka. People drink vodka Red Bulls, you know, Jaeger and Red Bulls, whatever those are called.

[00:34:25] That's all I could taste in my mouth was Red Bull. Oh, so gross. So, so, so gross. Yeah, I've never even wanted to try a Red Bull. I'm like if I need an energy jolt. Coffee works like I don't need to go in this other direction. I have had coffee cocktails, and they're fantastic, which I guess is a little bit like a vodka and Red Bull combination, right? It's like a depressant and an and a stimulant at the same time.

[00:34:55] But it's because coffee tastes good. Oh, it tastes so good. So good. I love coffee. So can I talk about Luca for a minute? Yeah. I was super stoked to see Luca back and that daggum wire coming out of his corsage. What is it? Charlie made a comment about this.

[00:35:25] Stealth equipment of the FBI. That was like the most ridiculous obvious thing I've ever seen, but I like the twist that he was there that it turned out Kirby was Beatrix's kid and he was there to live stream the wedding for her because I think it did a great job of answering the question. Where is the season going to take us and how you know, how's it going to end for Charlie? So I like that.

[00:35:55] Even though she's still back, she's still on the run again. And so I guess for the most part, but she is with the same people that she's gotten to know over. Well, Luca over the last season, a couple of seasons, but then Alex, this new friend that it they didn't separate Charlie and she's off on her own again.

[00:36:21] I did appreciate how they kept that together. And I loved how they can they the continuity that they brought back how the only reason that Luca is where he is, is because Charlie has helped him. He admits that and his FBI boss admits that when they're like, how did you get promoted anyway?

[00:36:44] Like you're so yeah, they were mean to him. The other FBI agents, even the like nicer one that the really tall black guy, which was hilarious. Yeah, yeah, difference. But even he was like, he was nice about it. But he was like, he did kind of fuck this up, man. But the two, the two women played by Taylor Schilling, who was in Orange is the New Black with Natasha Lyonne.

[00:37:08] And I got a shout out to Kelsey for commenting that on Facebook, because I did not put that to those two together. And Lily Taylor, the two female FBI agents were so mean to him, to Luca and he's.

[00:37:23] You know, I watched Big Bang Theory and I always was so frustrated by the character of Howard Wallowitz because he's not a nice person, he's not a good person, he's not likable, but you could tell how much talent that actor has. Right. They often had Howard, like singing and playing music and sometimes dancing and you could tell like this actor has a lot of talent and skill.

[00:37:52] He had great comedic timing. And I always was like, he deserves better than Howard Wallowitz. And like, here he is playing Agent Luca. I'm so glad he has a role. It's not a starring role, but it's a recurring role in a very popular show. That is like, he's not a perfect person, but he's likable and reasonable. You know, like I want Agent Luca to have good things happen for him.

[00:38:18] Same. And I hope my theory for a while, if they're going to be able to pull off a season three without making Charlie have to go on the run again, working for Luca and helping him further his career. This just kind of added to that because, you know, he admitted that you're the reason I have my job, the reason I keep getting promoted.

[00:38:42] And he mentioned he's dealing with imposter syndrome and Charlie says, you know, you, me in the same time, same place and bad shit goes down. And he's like, yeah, that, and it's going to set me back in therapy. Yeah. I'm also really glad that they haven't pursued a romance for those two. I don't see any chemistry.

[00:39:06] I felt like in the first season, the first episode that he was on, the one at the nursing home, that there was a little bit of chemistry between them, but they haven't pursued it. And I'm really glad because I feel like that would be wrong somehow. I don't know. I feel like the two of them have more of a brother sister vibe. I agree. Yeah, they're definitely, I don't feel any romantic vibes there.

[00:39:33] And if they're, and I'm glad that though there have been lots of flirtatious moments this season and she had that amazing, beautiful moment with, what was his name? Oh, I don't know, but he was Heath from The Walking Dead. Yes. We'll just call him Heath. But I'm glad they're not forcing her in every episode to have some kind of romantic connection.

[00:39:58] And I like that there was a hint of a romantic connection, but it was from Alex because I think that made it even funnier. Yeah. I have often gotten the sense that Charlie Kale is bisexual. And that if they give her another romance, they might give her a woman. Do you think they would give her Alex? I don't know. It would be so cute. Oh my God, I would love them. Wouldn't they be adorable? They'd be great. They could go on the road together.

[00:40:27] I'm so worried that Alex is going to die in the next episode, but I hope she doesn't. And I would love if she became more of a regular character for season three. That would be so amazing. I would like that very much. So the title of the episode is Day of the Iguana. And before it aired and before we knew what the episode was about, I was like, oh, that's obviously a play on Night of the Iguana, which is a Tennessee Williams play.

[00:40:53] So I went and read up about Night of the Iguana because I never actually read that play. And it's not a nice story. And I have a feeling that there's a reason why I've never seen it staged. I don't think it aged very well. I don't have any memory of it. It's about a priest who says something that outrages his congregation. He calls God a senile delinquent.

[00:41:20] And so they have him institutionalized as having a nervous breakdown because they're like, how dare you say that in church? And after his release, he is working as a tour guide or whatever. And he gets accused of committing statutory rape. And somehow there's Nazis in the story. I don't know. I was reading the synopsis and I was like, I'm really glad I've never seen this play. This sounds awful.

[00:41:50] And then, of course, we saw the show and I realized that the play in the title is not Night of the Iguana. It's Day of the Jackal, which is a 1971-ish. There was a book and then a movie and then a TV series all in the 70s. And then they've just very recently, I think it's on Paramount. There's a new TV series based on Day of the Jackal that's had one season and has been renewed for a second season.

[00:42:19] And that is a story about a famous assassin who wants to remain anonymous and nobody's seen his face. And blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. That's what it was. That makes more sense. So I wasted a ton of time reading about this horrible Tennessee Williams play. Oh, my God. But they must have known that people would make that connection.

[00:42:46] But I don't really know why they would bring it up. Like why they would go there with Iguana. They could have named him any other animal. So maybe there is some connection to that movie or that play and I just don't see it yet. I don't know. I don't want to read the play because what I read about the play made me annoyed. No, I'm going to just go with Day of the Jackal. Yeah. But they didn't want to make it so obvious to use the jackal. Yeah.

[00:43:16] So they came up with an Iguana, which when I read this, we read the title last week. All I could think about was there better not be people eating iguanas out there. But it is a person eating iguanas, so to speak, because it's out there killing people. But the way he disposed of that body. Oh, of the real Todd? Oh, my gosh. That was so gross.

[00:43:46] But also brilliant. Yeah. And I was like, what the hell is that liquid that's in? I called it the garment bag of death. That's great. And I was like, what is that liquid? And then at the end, when he's completely gooified, he just rolls it up. And I'm like, wouldn't it still have the weight of a human body, though?

[00:44:10] Like, even though it's liquefied Todd, wouldn't that goo still be as heavy as Todd Todd? Like, he just was handling it like it didn't weigh much. And I thought that was weird. Maybe there's something in the goo. I mean, if the goo can dissolve a human body that quick, that fast, maybe there's something in it. But it's a sealed environment because there were no fumes or anything coming out of that bag.

[00:44:40] Like, he zipped it closed and it was sealed. And it vacuum sucked to him. And then, oh, it was so gross. Poor Justin Theroux. He did a good job playing two. I liked it. Kind of a callback to the first episode with Cynthia Erivo. Yeah, playing two different characters. Where he played two different characters. What got me was the eyeball.

[00:45:08] If you've ever listened to us talk about the pit or even this disgusting body dissolved thing, stuff like that fascinates me. But one thing I cannot do is eyeballs. Me either. He kept touching his eyeball. It took me a long time to be able to put contacts in and out of my eyes. I'm good at it now.

[00:45:38] It doesn't bother me as much. But touching the bear eye or an eyeball popping out or when she jumps up with the oyster shucker and dude's eyeball is sitting on it. I'm like, oh, yeah, that was too much for me. That was super disgusting. And, yeah, I have a hard time with eye-related violence. And there's scenes in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. There's a scene in Squid Game. Oh, gosh.

[00:46:07] There's a scene in Game of Thrones. Angel? That, like, I still can't watch. Yeah. Oh, there's that thing on Angel. Yeah. Oh. Oh, yeah. That's coming up soon on Still Slaying, a Buffyverse podcast. Please listen to us. Yeah. That bag of goo. I have so many questions. And, like, who created it? Is that his own technology?

[00:46:30] Did the assassin develop body disposal, garment bag, goo technology on his own? Or is there some, like, tech genius behind him who's providing him with this technology? I have so many questions about this assassin. Who's the guy that helps Batman? Alfred? Oh, Lucius Fox. Lucius Fox.

[00:46:52] I'm guessing if this guy is, like, the most notorious leaves-without-a-trace assassin, he's got money and he probably has a Lucius Fox or some organization that's backing him that would provide him with these things.

[00:47:14] But maybe he is just that smart that he makes his own... Yeah, his own toys. So now I'm thinking about the scene where he comes in and kills Todd number one. Alex is kind of tall, right? Yeah.

[00:47:42] That guy is a little bit taller than Justin Theroux, if not the same height. And they never showed the face, but that was definitely a man's voice. But... Yeah. I hate that this is in my head now. And, I mean, even if Alex is the iguana, that doesn't mean that fake Todd isn't also an assassin. Right?

[00:48:06] Like, there could have been two assassins on this wedding with different motivations, right? Like, one was there to kill Kirby and one was there to get to Beatrix. Or maybe they're both trying to get to Beatrix. She's the real prize, right? Right. Because she's about to testify against everybody. Hmm. It's just... I can't wait for this final episode now. I know. I'm so excited now for episode 12.

[00:48:36] I can't wait. We'll see how right and wrong we are. Man, I was wrong on everything with a better sister. That was such a funny conversation. I listened to your last episode. That must have been about episodes six and seven. Six and seven, yeah. And you were like, I'm wrong about a whole bunch of stuff. And Mandy's like, what was that? Hmm? Yeah. Want to say that again for the people in the back? Like, it was pretty cute.

[00:49:06] What sells your podcasting with Mandy is that you can hear the years of friendship behind your conversations. Like, it's a tangible thing when I'm listening to you. I'm like, yeah, these are people who've known each other for a long time. The way you talk to each other, it's really cute. Yeah. We recorded last night. So I'll get that edited this weekend and then we'll get the finale out. But it's, we're just, we're something.

[00:49:33] But it's like you and Kara and you and Sam, just the conversations and the way they flow. But anyway, yeah, I learned a valuable lesson there. Don't gloat early on in a season because I gloated. And that's why she gave it as good as she got back to me. So I was like, I'm just going to shut up. So I can't, I'll be, anyway, long story short, I'm very excited to see how all of this plays out. Yeah. It's going to be, yeah.

[00:50:02] I'll be up like Thursday morning, first thing watching when it, when it drops. I'll have to wait till I get home from work, but I'll be doing it. Soon as I get home and get settled. So I have a question. Yes. About Beatrix's Finsta page. And all her pictures of baked goods. She's in witness protection, right? So she can't have her name on an Instagram page.

[00:50:32] She certainly can't post any pictures of herself. So she's posting just all of her baked goods. And I, you know, I've seen lots of Instagram feeds that are like that, right? They're incredibly themed and they're very narrowly focused. But I feel like if Charlie knows that that's Beatrix, does anyone else know? Isn't that incredibly dangerous of Beatrix? And then I was thinking, is Charlie the only one that knows that that's Beatrix?

[00:50:59] Because Beatrix even has a Finsta page because she's trying to lure Charlie to her? Like it's just for Charlie? I thought I gave that a little bit of thought when she mentioned that she had the fence to page. And I don't, I really don't think it's nefarious and that she's trying to lure Charlie to her.

[00:51:26] Or didn't think that, but now that you mention it, the, if you're in witness protection program and you are literally running for or hiding from dangerous mob-esque people,

[00:51:42] you aren't going to haphazardly take a photo with a local politician's address, with your address and photo on it, unless you want somebody to see it. But I thought maybe it was more that she was like sending messages to the five families. Oh, like it's coping? Things she wanted done or something. That's where I, why I thought she had it.

[00:52:09] Like there's a code, like depending on what kind of cookie or bread that the picture is. Yeah. That's a certain kind of message. Yeah. That's how she's communicating. It did seem unbelievably careless that the address would be in the picture. Because when Charlie was scrolling through those pictures, they were all beautifully and carefully composed. Like Beatrix doesn't just like snap whatever's in front of her and post it.

[00:52:38] Those pictures are, are careful. So the fact that that address was just barely shown and that picture was shown had to be intentional. Had to be. Yeah. You're not going to be, like I said, you're not going to be in witness protection. And like put your address on the internet like that. Yeah. So she's. But Charlie says I'm her only follower and she doesn't follow me back, which was funny.

[00:53:08] But. I thought Charlie didn't follow her. I thought Beatrix followed Charlie. She, she followed her when she was like, we have to figure out a way to get to Beatrix. And that's when she. Oh. Like, I think she had a. Ruined her algorithm. Yeah. Yeah. Look at that. She's like, look at that. Half my page is baked things now. Which I got to tell you of the things that are fed to me on Instagram, I would not mind seeing pictures of cookies. Like that would be nice. Thank you. Yeah.

[00:53:37] I see a lot of stuff I don't want to see. Yeah. Baked goods are very peaceful. I love that mine is predominantly TV shows and cats. Yeah. I get a lot of cat videos. Yeah. But I, lately it's a lot of politics and it's just a bummer. So yeah, I'm suspicious of Beatrix, but I don't know what I'm suspicious of her doing.

[00:54:04] I just think there's something more than meets the eye. Yeah, that's, that's a, I'm glad you brought that up because I, I, I looked at it just more of a way for them to give, you know, give us a reason. I didn't think they were going to, they were going to bring her back. So that was a surprise, but I thought it was just more of a way to get, keep her, you know,

[00:54:34] get her and Alex on the road on an adventure. But I do, I still think she's sending messages to the five families, but it makes sense that she would, but if nobody's following her, then no. So yeah. I mean, you can see, depending on the settings and Finsta is the fictional version of Instagram,

[00:55:01] depending on the settings of the account, you can see what's on someone's account without following them. You just have to like, go look for them repeatedly, right? You like search their name, look at their account, but don't follow them. It would be annoying, but you could do it. So the five families might just not follow her so that there's not a trail. Oh, duh. Yeah. So there's not a trail. So, okay. That's going to be my, that's, I'm going to go with that theory.

[00:55:30] I like the idea of sending signals with cookies. I think that's really funny. I think that's how I'm going to start communicating with you. Oh, okay. But I'm going to, but I'm going to let you figure out what the codes are. But odds are, by the time you figure out what the code are, code is, I'm going to be like, dude, I totally even forgot. I don't know. At this point, I'm just sending you pictures. Okay.

[00:55:59] Oh God, I love it. Who noticed that the address was in the picture? Was it Charlie or Alex? Charlie. Okay. All right. That takes the heat, a little bit of the heat off Alex. Yep. And then, and then Charlie noticed the picture too. The photo of the man, the politician. And then Alex was like, reverse image shirts, reverse image shirts. And Charlie's like, I'm on it. I'm on it.

[00:56:24] So even though Charlie only just got her smartphone a couple of episodes ago, she seems to be pretty internet savvy. So that's good. Well, you said she's a very intelligent person. And I imagine she probably doesn't do a lot in her spare time. Yeah. So she's probably playing around on her phone a lot. As do we all. I'm about to blow your mind. Mm-hmm.

[00:56:50] What if good buddy is the iguana? I literally have that in my notes. Stop it. I said, what if Steve Buscemi is the iguana? Okay. So I'm not going to blow your mind. This is just more proof that you and I have like a psychic link or something. Something. Which means you're going to get my cookie messages even when I forget what I was trying to say.

[00:57:20] That's awesome. I can't wait for the cookie messages. Now I'm going to go get some cookies. There's so much goodness that could come from this show. Yeah. There's so many different directions that could go in. Right after. So when Luca, you know, can't get Charlie and Alex, right? And they make their getaway. And he says like, oh, they're going to lead the iguana straight to Beatrix's door. And it's going to be a bloodbath. Then they cut to just one shot of Charlie's car driving past.

[00:57:48] And then to this like quiet suburban neighborhood, you know. And it's at dawn. You can see that like the sky's not light yet. And then, you know, the camera moves into Beatrix's house. That's all lit up. And then through the window. And the song was, it's a song called Death Come a Knockin' by Ken Moores off of an album called White Lies and Alibis, which I thought was really interesting given this show. And the lyrics early morning, death comes a knockin' at your door.

[00:58:16] And it goes on from there. It's kind of a bluesy song. I liked it. I liked it too. I almost downloaded it when I went and looked it up. It's, but who knows who's death, right? In this case. Like, and is it Beatrix? It implies that it's Beatrix's door that come dawn, death is going to arrive. And is that going to be Charlie and Alex arriving 10 hours drive from the wedding?

[00:58:45] Is that the death that's going to come knocking at the door? Or is it the iguana who's going to follow them there? Or is Alex the iguana? It's just all kinds of foreshadowing and we don't know where it's going. Yeah. I loved that song. It's the first time I'd ever heard it. But I was like, ooh, that was the big. And I didn't realize that was the end of the episode until the credits rolled. I was still, I was so into it. I was like waiting for, I was like, oh wait, that's it? And I was like, crap, no, we got to wait till next week.

[00:59:14] So wait, well done to the writers, directors and editors and, you know, all the fancy terms for how they piece that episode together because it did not feel like, it felt like 20 minutes instead of. Yeah, it flew by. Yeah, it really did. It was so good. So yeah, I, or it could even be the FBI showing up to take out the iguana that could be getting ready to get hit with death.

[00:59:46] Oh, there's so many questions. Of everyone involved, the FBI knows, already knows where Beatrix is, or at least Luca probably does. Luca does. It's unclear to me. I think in real life, when someone enters WITSEC, even their, the FBI agent involved in the case doesn't know that only WITSEC people know and they have to go through an intermediary for the FBI. But I, I imagine in the universe of the show that Luca knows where she is.

[01:00:15] There used to be this amazing. I think he did say he didn't know though. Yeah. There used to be this amazing TV show that I loved called In Plain Sight. That was about two or really one witness security agent who lived in Albuquerque. And it was just, you know, about her, her day to day, like dealing with people in witness protection. And then there would be these like big overarching stories. It was so good. And it's not on streaming anywhere. It drives me crazy.

[01:00:44] I've heard of that, but I never saw it. I like to suggest it to people all the time because it's, it's a really, really good show. The acting is great and the care, the characters are super compelling. I hope it comes back to streaming at some point. There's probably some like, it's probably caught in the middle of like two merger companies or something like that. Well, if you, if you see it pop up, let me know. Because I've, I heard a lot of talk about that when it was airing. Yeah, I loved it.

[01:01:12] But I'm always looking for something new to watch, even though I have a list of things to watch. Let's just keep adding to it. Yeah, I have a huge backlog. I just have a few things left, mostly just tiny notes of things that I thought were funny in the episode. And then a few quotes. So I did like when Charlie was having her conversation with Kirby. And he says, she says, I know your mom. She spent a long time trying to kill me.

[01:01:41] And everyone she gets near ends up maimed or murdered. So the most loving thing she can do is stay away from you. She must really love you to find a way to be at, to winky fingers be at the wedding. I thought that was really sweet and just shows more of Charlie's heart that here's an absolute douchebag who doesn't deserve kindness.

[01:02:04] And she's making him feel better about the fact that his murdering mom is at his wedding. And also her ability to see through the fact that Beatrix was trying to kill her to what her motivations are. Like, why is she doing the things she's doing? Instead of just being like, she's a horrible person, full stop. Charlie looks past it, which is beautiful.

[01:02:30] Yeah, she tends to, which is often, I think, why she gets herself in so much trouble confronting the bad guy when they're one on one is because she's constantly trying to find good in someone beyond the bad, I guess. I think that Charlie's car having problems is going to come up in the next episode. I agree. That seemed like pretty heavy handed foreshadowing.

[01:03:01] I thought it was hilarious when Charlie woke up and the tap dancer who she encouraged was making a lot of noise above her and she, she yelled at him. Your dreams are killing my sleeps. Yeah. That's a firefighter, right? Yeah. He's going to follow his Broadway dream after all. Good for him.

[01:03:23] I like it when they're discussing going to find Beatrix and Charlie says, what am I going to say? You probably saw a video of me covered in your son's blood. Would you help me out? Oh, that's another question I have. So if the wedding was being live streamed from Luca's boutonniere, did Beatrix see that her son had been murdered?

[01:03:52] Did she see his body and the eyeball and the whole thing? Well... Or had it been, had they pulled the plug on the live stream yet? Like, I think they pulled the... I noticed once the murder happened, Luca is in his FBI jacket. Oh yeah, that's right. So I don't think she would have seen all of that, but I do think she would have seen Charlie. Charlie, and I'm sure that stirred up some stuff.

[01:04:21] And she would definitely know something happened because the way the Bridezilla was going off and then screaming that something had happened. And so maybe she saw it, but I don't think she saw the... Plus the look on her face when they zoomed in on her house. She did not look like she just realized her son was dead. So I feel like it got cut before that. I think so too.

[01:04:51] Otherwise, I was like, did she have her son murdered? And that's why she has like a little half smile? Like, that's creepy. Maybe she hired the iguana. Maybe it was her because her son is a tool in probably draining her financially. At least. They don't seem to have any kind of connection unless she secretly sends him money somehow. That's true. Through the cookies.

[01:05:21] Yeah, maybe. The number of cookies on each plate is the code to the bank account to get to withdraw money. It would be really easy to send that guy money. All you would have to do is have some agent pretend they want to sell Ballzilla and then just send him cash, like buy product from him. And that's how you would just... And it goes straight to him. Yeah. Then he gets money that way.

[01:05:50] That would be really easy to do without having to have secret bank accounts and stuff like that. I liked that when fake Todd was like killing the real Todd, that the bow tie video was still going in the background. And you hear the line, not so tight that it's choking, unless that's what you're into. Yeah, it was great. And then he says, well, hello, Mr. Bond. And it's like, yeah, this is a spy here. This is like spy stuff going on. Yeah, legit.

[01:06:17] Except for the science fiction. Yeah. That was like X-Files. Yeah. Dissolving there. I like when she... They're at the... The wedding is going on and Kirby and his boys are chanting Mr. T and the wife comes running over. What did we say about chanting? Yeah. No chanting. That means shit. I gotta go do some... What did he say?

[01:06:46] Like girly shit or something? Yeah. The bride... It's hard to get a read on the bride, but anyone who's marrying this guy, I have serious suspicions about whether or not they're a good person. I loved that he was being like a tool during the ceremony and we saw what I assume are the bride's parents being like, oh. Yeah. Oh, why is she marrying this guy? And they seemed embarrassed by the whole thing.

[01:07:16] But I also have to say that that wedding dress was beautiful. I loved that. Although that... It's so pretty. Techno music walking down the aisle was... That was horrible. Quite interesting. That was embarrassing. But the dress was so pretty. It was beautiful. And I didn't notice until second watch that the skirt of the dress, that the underlay was like a lemon yellow. Yes. And it was ivory on top of it. Oh, it was so pretty. I thought it was the lights that hit it at first. Yeah.

[01:07:45] But when on closer look, I was like, no, that's actually the color of the dress. Yeah. Beautiful. Yellow is a color that looks horrible on me. But since she had it in the skirt and then she had ivory closer to her face, I was like, I could pull that off. Like, I could have yellow as the skirt part. And then I could, like, use yellow because I just... I never wear yellow because it makes me look like I died three days ago. But I could do it if I did it like that.

[01:08:16] It was really pretty. I mean, she was a very beautiful, is a very beautiful woman anyway, but I thought the dress was gorgeous and tasteful, except it was a little extra booby in the... It was a little more sheer than I maybe would have been comfortable with. Yeah. The boobies were jiggling. But it looked very nice. Yeah. Just really chic. I liked where she says she's trying to...

[01:08:43] She's down in the basement or wherever, the storage room, and she's trying to find Alex. And she's like, okay, manifest Alex, manifest Alex. And then Alex comes out from behind the clothes and she's like, this shit really does work. That was hilarious. Because it doesn't. That's not how that works. Right, no. I wish it was. And then she's making a run for it and they're about to run through the gate. She's like, manifest! And it blows through the gate. I'm like, that's not how that...

[01:09:13] All right, whatever. It's kind of like in Seinfeld when George's father is always going, Serenity, no! It's like, that's not how that's supposed to work, but okay. Yeah. It makes for a great episode. I still shout that sometimes. And it doesn't work. No, it doesn't work at all. I, my last thing is that I love Lily Taylor.

[01:09:36] She played one of the FBI agents and she has a huge long IMDB page with tons and tons of roles that she has played. One of my favorites is Six Feet Under. She's great on that show. I hated her character. She was so good at it. But I absolutely could not stand Lisa in Six Feet Under. Well, I fell in love with her in Say Anything. She was one of the best friends of the main characters. Yes!

[01:10:07] She's like, I wrote 65 songs about Joe and I'm going to play them all tonight. That'll never be me! Yeah. Never! Never! Don't you ever think it! I fell in love with you, Penny. And then she has this moment where she and Joe are in the same room and she's like, I love you. And he's like, I love you. And she's like, you invade my soul. And Joe is such an obvious just piece of work.

[01:10:36] Well, I found a cover of Joe Lies by a group called Prom Queen today. Stop it. And her copyright reasons, we can't play it on the podcast, but I will link it in the show notes. The music video is all based on Say Anything. It's like they recreated the party. It's great. It's really great. And they mixed together several of her Joe songs into one song. It's fantastic. Oh, I cannot wait for that. Thank you. It's so great.

[01:11:06] The only thing I have left is just a funny moment where she wants, she asks Alex if she can take a smoke break. And Alex is like, you just had a break. And Charlie says, well, the first one was just a drinking break. This one is more like a vape break. Charlie was a waitress when we first met her at the beginning of season one. Mm-hmm. But she didn't seem all that into doing it at a wedding.

[01:11:36] Like, she didn't remember the names of the oysters. And she was like, can we get out of here? Like, she just was not into it anymore. No, not at all. She just, she heard $7,000. Yeah. And was like, all right. I'll wear the goofy outfit. Steamboat. Fit her perfectly. Everything fits her perfectly. Be on the lookout for two women dressed as a steamboat Willie. Or the woman in her redhead in her 30s dressed as a steamboat Willie.

[01:12:06] Yeah. She could pull off anything. And they give her some wacky, wacky outfits. But. Yeah. Maybe not both just fascinated with Natasha Lyonne. I want to know how she keeps her hair so thick and lustrous past the age of 25. I'm very impressed with her hair. Mm-hmm. I want to know what she's using. Because I'm a curly girl. And my hair used to look like hers. Like, that same curl. Just like that.

[01:12:36] But it's just not anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Heads up for the younger ladies in the audience. Your body may not thin as you get older. But your hair certainly will. It's true. It's really sad. I'm very hated. Go ahead. Yeah. I was going to say, shall we move on to news and feedback? Absolutely.

[01:13:02] So, there's no news yet on a renewal for season three. But the show has a 97% rating by critics on Rotten Tomatoes. And it's having just a, like, across the board great reviews. There's been articles saying that the ratings are high but with no specifics. I'd be shocked if there's not a season three. They seem to be having a great time making the show as well. Mm-hmm.

[01:13:31] So, I think they're just waiting to announce a renewal so that there's a little bit of suspense for the finale of season two. Which I appreciate. Yeah. But I bet that next week there will be a renewal announcement. Yeah. They've got to give us at least one more season. Yeah. I could watch Charlie all day. And in interviews, the writers have said things like, we already have a stack of ideas for three more seasons. Like, they have, they could make the show forever.

[01:14:01] It's sort of like, as long as they can come up with a reason for Charlie to move from situation to situation, it doesn't even have to be place to place. Then they can just keep creating one-off mysteries. And it could just go on and on and on. Yeah. It would work. And I would watch it because the casting, acting, and writing is really good. It really is. And I love, yeah, the guest stars are just endlessly entertaining. And it's so fun to wonder, because I don't go look ahead.

[01:14:31] So, every, when I hit play, that's when I see everything. Oh, who it is. Oh, that's great. Yeah. So, it's always such a fun surprise to be like, oh, that's so-and-so or that's so-and-so. I love it. That's great. Let's get into some listener feedback, shall we? All right. So, from Facebook, Lisa Spurs says, I'm thinking Alex is the iguana. And we have discussed that. Yeah. That's where I got the idea from.

[01:15:00] I hope you're wrong, but I'm not going to rule it out, Lisa. I'm not going to rule it out. It's a good possibility. That's a really interesting idea. Yeah. All right. We have three voicemails. Yay! I'm going to start us off with our buddy, Steve. Hey, Steve. Hello, Murder Magnus. This is Steve, and this is going to be for Poker Face, season two, Day of the Iguana. I've never learned how to tie a bow tie. Not at all. Just clip-ons bow ties for me. I tie a regular tie, though.

[01:15:29] Oh, Lily Taylor and Haley Jo Osmond. Simon Helberg and Rita Perlman. Wow, this one's going to have a lot. Oh, this is obviously a fake chauffeur who just invited himself into this guy's house. Oh, and he's got a bag full of something. Hardware. Oh, his chauffeur just killed him, and the guy have a fake eye? Oh, what did he do to the body? And so he's obviously taking this guy's place in this wedding. There was a picture of Columbo among the pictures right there. Peter Falk had a fake eye? I guess that's what the thing is supposed to be reminiscent of, right? Just a guess.

[01:15:58] Was that Charlie, you think, serving the hors d'oeuvres? Oh, is that April? No, April. Alex. Alex, Charlie's friend. Oh, is she going to be the patsy? So he does a Columbo impression, but Haley Jo Osmond doesn't know where it's from? It's crazy. You never use the urinal right next to someone else who's peeing already, dude. I missed something. What was unplugged and what died? What is she pulling out of the... Oh, there's a head with a knife in his eye. Kirby.

[01:16:24] Kirby with a knife in his eye, and now he's got Alex here, and he's going to pin this murder on her. Oh, Bridezilla just found the dead body of her husband, and Alex is in the boat. With the knife. Okay, where's Charlie going to come into this? Did David Allen Greer just forget that she was in the building, and he's not looking for her anymore? This looks like it's still Good Buddy's apartment, so... Diehard reference. Yippee-ki-yay. Oyster sucker. Oh, that's what it was. Oysters. That's what she had. Okay.

[01:16:51] Oh, and the knife that he used was the oyster shucking knife. Okay. Okay, so now Alex has got Charlie as one of the servers at this wedding. Oyster pun. That was Charlie's arm that gave the guy the oyster. And Charlie just saw Luca. No, he's at the wedding. Oh, and Luca reveals that he's got imposter syndrome because he's been getting promoted by what Charlie does for him. Oh, so Miss Hasp is watching the wedding because Jaylee's all up. Kirby is her son. Kirby, you are your mother's son.

[01:17:20] Are you thinking about how much ballzilla you... Balls drink, you... Oh, and Charlie sees Todd, fake Todd, taking Kirby to the boathouse. Of course, she doesn't know what's going on there. Okay, so now we're caught up and Charlie knows that Alex didn't do it because she's of her thing. Oh, he filled the agent, but he didn't fool Charlie with his lie, Luca. Okay, so Charlie and Alex have escaped and they're going to go, what, try to visit Hasp? Her Finsta.

[01:17:49] Oh, Charlie's getting good at her internet sleuthing, checking the background of the Finsta. Okay, that's a bit of a leap to figure that the iguana knew that Charlie was going to be there and would lead him to Beatrix, I don't know. And of course, that's the end. Next week, last episode of the season. Thanks, Steve. Thank you, Steve. I did not notice the Columbo picture, did you? Yeah, I did. On second watch, I did.

[01:18:17] He had an envelope full of information about Kirby and about the Todd guy and it's like fake IDs and stuff like that and mixed in there was a picture of Columbo. Oh, wow. I must have been writing at that point. Yeah. It's so easy to miss stuff if you just look down, make a note and look up and it's like, yeah. Our next voicemail comes from Greg. Hi, Greg. Hello, murder magnets. This is Greg calling about the Day of the Iguana.

[01:18:46] I'm assuming that's like a takeoff of the Day of the Jackal, which was another movie about a hit man. Um, so I happen to be in the chat or at least see the chat and had no idea what was, everything was talking about. But, uh, I have to lend credence to the theories that were brought up in there with regard to, uh, who the Iguana is and whatever, but I can't claim them for my own. Uh, I probably would have been like, oh gosh, this is what's happening.

[01:19:16] Oh God, golly gee, fellas. Um, which makes me feel like I fit well with the steamboat Willie or mime attire that was, uh, it was going on. Uh, I'm really enjoying this. Um, and, uh, I, I, I like how we're turning back into kind of a manhunt and, but it's not for Charlie now. It's for Alex and, uh, unless things are otherwise true and. Okay.

[01:19:46] Well, I love, I'll be honest. I really liked the arc. I like the fact that she's been in the same apartment for now for. And he sees like repeating characters for three or four episodes. Yes. I'm going to try to get in voicemails for the ones that I missed before for the finale. And that way you guys can have all of the time of feedback is from me. So fantastic. All right. Talk to you guys later. Bye. I love it, Greg. Send away. Thanks, Greg. Uh, that sounds fantastic.

[01:20:15] And I agree. I think she's definitely still in good buddies apartment. I think Steve was the one who asked is David Allen Greer just not looking for her anymore. I imagine when she was involved in getting. And to leave the apartment and that new guy to come in and spend so much money that David Allen Greer was like, all right, we're okay. Yeah. That's a good. Good way to look at it. I agree. Or they just couldn't. Wouldn't pay David Allen Greer for another episode.

[01:20:44] Yeah, that's another good way to look at it. I like yours better though. Fits and better with the show. Our final feedback comes from Kelsey, who's, uh, her voicemail last week about the things that were on Jeopardy, like, or two weeks ago, like, blew my mind. So. It's the same. I am excited to hear what she has to say about this one. Hello, hello. It's Kelsey. Kelsey. First of all, what in the portable human sous vide shit was that?

[01:21:14] He dissolved a body faster than he tied a bow tie. That's quite possibly one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen. And is that reusable? What does he do with the goop? With the, with the human goop? Um, excuse me? Also, why was there a photo of Columbo in Kirby's file?

[01:21:40] Yippee-ki-yay Oyster Shuckers is an amazing name for Alex's 12th failed business. But I feel like she must need some sort of certification or permit to prepare and sell food. Like Rodney would not have approved. Uh, and so actually, I think I mentioned on my last feedback that my family is from Long Island. They're actually from Oyster Bay, Long Island, like 10 miles from Manhasset. And I was wondering how Alex got her oysters.

[01:22:09] And it made me remember I've actually been clamming in the Long Island sound before. I vaguely remember going out with like my cousins. And because we were clamming in a low tide area, we were getting clams and oysters. And they definitely made me go into the water and catch something so I could officially say that I had been clamming. So I have been clamming in the Long Island sound. So I wonder if Alex had to go clamming.

[01:22:39] I love Charlie's little spiel about Hasp asking her to follow her finsta. Not bragging, just a fact. Didn't do it. Seemed weird. Uh, but then when they were describing who she was, they said she was dressed like Steamboat Willie. I, I was dead. My favorite moment of the whole show. And I kind of hate myself for how much I love this is when they're in the room, they're like reunited.

[01:23:07] And Alex says, guess what else they keep in the boathouse? I was like, boats. And they, she said, yes. And celebrates like they just won a round of damn charades. Oh God. I just, it hurts how much I love that. I don't, it's, uh, and Patty Harrison did, is just, did such a good job of playing distressed Patsy. I paused it as Haps, Haps, the Haps Finsta has 1062 posts. Wow.

[01:23:37] Is not following anyone. And her bio says, hi, Charlie, I'm bored as fuck. Here's some stuff I baked. So just amazing. I guess my only thing is that I like, don't quite get is the boss on the other end of the phone when he's in the boathouse, the iguana is, says stick to the plan, find a Patsy and take, to take the fall.

[01:24:02] But then at the end, Luca's saying if they're alive, it's because the iguana want them to be. And she's going to lead them to Hasp and it'll be a bloodbath. But iguana doesn't know anything about Charlie. He, her lie detection skill or her connection to Hasp. Plus he's already gone. So he wouldn't even know that the Patsy he left would run away and not be arrested by the literally present FBI. So I guess to me, it just doesn't really make sense that it's a trap set for Charlie.

[01:24:32] So I, maybe I guess I just think Luca is wrong. I don't know. Um, but thank you all so much for the. Kind words. Y'all made me feel really, really good about myself. And I have no idea what I'm doing, but I would happen to come on anytime. Yes. And I love you guys and love your show. Thanks for doing what you do. Thank you. Psychos. Oh, Kelsey, you are the bomb diggity. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:25:00] I love when we find a new, like super listener. And I don't think I've heard Kelsey on other podcastica podcasts before sending in feedback, but Kelsey, you've been awesome with your feedback on this show and you have a great voice. So I think podcasting is definitely in your future. Let's chat offline. Yes, please. Well, thank you everybody who did write in or call in. We love your messages.

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