RFYL 263: Annabelle

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And I'm Pake.

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This episode is the supernatural horror film Annabelle, directed by John Arle and Eddie, and released October 3rd, 2014. Which it's crazy to think it's been that long since this movie came out in like this franchise, even with like the conjuring that we did a while back started. That it they still feel like newer films-ish until like you realize how and then it's like, oh no, it has been that long.

It has. Yeah. Movies that resonate. Ones that have come out over the last decade, it feels like they came out in the last two years or three years. And no, it they came out like six, seven, eight, even ten years ago now. It's it's the way time works, Peike. It just goes so fast. It's because we're always waiting for the next Marvel movie to come out. And it's usually we find out about it two years before it's coming out, and so you just have to keep waiting and waiting, and time just goes by. It's how it goes. Well, we will kick this off the way we always do. It's filmed in Los Angeles, California. It is a prequel and the second film in the Conjuring Universe. It is the first film in the Annabelle spinoff series. Joseph Bashara once again is coming through with the music. We have to bring him up because usually he's doing the music or he's being a creature. He's always involved. That's that's just how it goes. The budget for this one was six and a half million dollars, and it made a fair bit of money at the box office. 257.6 million. I would say that is quite a return on investment. Just a little. It's 99 minutes long. Pake, give us a synopsis on this one.

Alright. A couple begins to experience terrifying supernatural occurrences involving a vintage doll shortly after their home is invaded by satanic cultists.

I don't know that I would run next door if I heard screaming at my neighbors. That was one thing that I thought about. Maybe I would call the police first. It might be a better idea. I mean, this supposedly took place in the late 60s, so it was a very different time then. And I also remember growing up where I did that we didn't lock our doors at night. There were things we just didn't do. It was relative safety, but it's different now. Like even in a small town, it's it's different. That whole trust system has been dismantled. So it's sad. For some reason, I did not like this movie the first time I saw it. And while I was watching it this time, I couldn't remember why I didn't like it. If I thought it was slow or dragged out. For some reason, I feel like it was because I thought it was two or three hours long when it was only an hour and a half-ish long. But I didn't like it. I like the other Annabelle movies better than this one. It does make me laugh though because the whole getting creeped out by dolls thing because um my niece, my oldest niece, was really into American Girl. She's kind of aging out of that now. And they creeped Chris out.

You gotta find the right place to buy their shoes online, though, some custom shoes for them. I I think there's a guy that could really handle that.

You know what? I've heard of him. Didn't he didn't he quit a very successful comedy career to make shoes for American Girl?

I mean Because it's passion now, yeah.

I think that's fantastic.

Such a random niche reference that like nobody will get. But if you do get it, you're amazing. We love you even more.

Uh maybe if Jeff is listening to this, he'll get it. So this movie gave me some vibes of Dead Silence, especially with the doll. Um just made me think about that. And that's kind of interesting because the director, John R. Leonetti, was a cinematographer on Dead Silence. Nice. And uh he was also a cinematographer on The Conjuring, Insidious, and Insidious Chapter 2. And it runs in the family because his brother Matthew is also a cinematographer, and he was on Dawn of the Dead 2004. Um, and their dad was a gaffer, which I still don't even know what the heck that means.

One who gaffes.

He worked on The Wizard of Oz. So it's a family thing with the Leonettes.

Nice.

So I thought that was kind of cool.

Yeah. It's why you mentioned Dead Silence. I didn't really think of that, but yeah, it makes sense. But then the other movie that I do reference a lot is it reminds me a lot about Insidious. Uh for sure, is definitely, which of course we just did the last two currently movies of that at the time uh recently. But yeah, that I mean, definitely we'll we'll get to a lot of this stuff, but there's a whole through line of just like it's a demon who wants a human soul, and it's like so insidious, got it.

Yep. Okay.

I know how this works, got it. I've seen this.

It's great because you know, it's on top of mine because we did just do insidious, and so I I'm thinking, you know, yep, I'm in that mindset. There were also things in this movie that reminded me of uh Rosemary's baby. Um, because that was a movie that I remember my mom told me she and my dad went to see it at a drive-in together that scared them.

It's an herbaceous infant.

Yeah. I feel like with movies that are in this franchise, you have to pay attention to some of the little things because they always or usually will come back around later in the movie. And so you have to pay attention to those little things, like at the beginning when they're going through the TV and the Tate murders and Charles Manson and all of that. Yeah. I almost said Charles Mason.

No, he's later on.

He's later on. Uh I knew that would come back around, but I'd already seen it too. So it's like, okay. This wasn't my first time watching it, but I know it was yours.

Yeah, it is the first time watching any of the Conjuring Extended Universe outside of the first Conjuring movie. I had seen that one before, and then that was it. Uh so when we covered that one, it was actually my second watch of that. But then yeah, we're continuing on with the Conjuring Universe, Extended Universe. Um, because I really want to get through all of those. Uh although, you know, I might even try to watch them in advance instead of just waiting for us to cover them to get to them, because that's gonna take a while. But I don't know. I said that when we did the conjuring, and then I still haven't. So I always get these like like this hair to be like, I'm gonna go on a movie marathon, and then there's too many other things to do, so I don't do that. But I do definitely want to do this whole extended franchise like series. Um, maybe even try for a fun guest in the future if possible. Um, I think I told you about that idea if that if we can get there, but we'll see. That's a it's a long shot, maybe, but we'll see if we can do it. Um I have some strings that are somewhere. I have to dig around and find them.

Yes.

Um. But yeah, so I think we do want to cover all of them at some point. So for anyone interested, uh, because I think I kind of tried to pull from memory, but now I have it. Uh we would do them in release order, so if anyone wants to prepare as well, then I think the way that would go is the conjuring, done. Annabelle, done. Well, not yet, but actively doing. Now, uh The Conjuring 2, then Wolves at the Door, which is not officially part of the franchise, but there is a tie-in, so why not? Um, then Annabelle Creation, The Nun, The Curse of La Yorona, which is the same situation as Wolves, there's just kind of a loose tie-in. Annabelle Comes Home, The Conjuring, The Devil Made Me Do It, The Nun 2, The Conjuring Last Writes, and The Revenge of La Yorona is slated for an April of 2027 release. So by the time we would get there, it would probably be out. Um, I'm sure.

Yeah, I think so. So what you're basically telling me is we're really going to be in the world of Annabelle for a while. Kind of.

Kind of? I don't know. I don't know what all crosses over into different movies. I don't know.

Yeah. I have seen all of the Annabelle movies, all of the conjuring movies except for Last Rights. I have seen Curse of La Yorona. And I have. I think that's it. I have not seen any of the nun movies. And whenever I see posters for it or pictures of the character, all I can think of, honestly, is it. Because I feel like it's I tie it into the painting that goes after Stanley for some reason. I don't know why. Maybe because it's in the church, I maybe who knows. It could be. It could definitely be why.

Yeah. But yeah, continuing on, even though it is a prequel to The Conjuring, we actually start with a scene that was in The Conjuring, I think. Um If I remember correctly, uh there's the the the girls that the Warrens, or I guess like there's two girls and one guy, but the the nurses, the roommates that the Warrens end up getting the Annabelle doll from before putting it in their museum. Uh and so it's a rehash of that conversation because he's like, My mom sent it to me. And he was like, girl, your mom must not like you very much if she bought you that doll for your birthday. Because I've never seen anything more obviously haunted in my life.

It's true though. But I noticed something this time that I watched it. I didn't notice it the first time I watched it. Is the nurse that is at the beginning talking like at the beginning, Mia actually m meets her in the in the hospital, like she's in the ha in that hospital.

Oh, I didn't even notice that this time.

I'm like, oh, okay, that's something I didn't notice before. If I did, I don't remember noticing it. But again, I told you I I didn't like this movie, and now I'm I'm still not sure why I didn't like it.

It seems like a pretty I mean it's kind of a a basic supernatural horror movie. It's not the most special, but also I was like, it's it does what its job, it's fine. Like it's it's it is what it is, it does what it does well.

Um I still think the other two Annabelle movies are better.

Interesting. I'm interested to see about that because I know like the next one is Creation, which is a prequel again to this, where from what I understand, again, because I don't look too much into stuff, it's like the how the Annabelle doll is haunted. But I was like, but didn't we see how that happened in this movie? Uh, unless there was something else with it besides that situation, because Annabelle was not the doll, that's the person.

There's more. There's there's a lot more. There, there's there's a lot. I don't know how we would cover this series if we didn't go and release order, because the way I mean, you I'm sure there's a list online that tells you chronological.

I have that list, yes.

But we blew it when we did the conjuring.

So I mean, we did that movie and I think on first watches, chronological is the best way to go because you don't end up spoiling things for movies that were released. You know, they're released in a specific order to tell that story. And then I think it's fun to watch in chronological order on rewatches of things when you already know what's coming, but first watches do it in the order they came out in, because it makes the most sense.

Yeah.

You don't have to rely on previous knowledge from another movie to get something in another movie.

Yeah. I mean, we did it differently with the purge, but I think it I've already seen all of them multiple times, and so for me it makes sense to do it that way because they don't tie in a way, other than two of them, kind of, that m make you feel like you have to see them in release order.

Yeah.

Like chronological is fine. And once we watch the one that we're doing soon, um the ones that tie together will be done with the ones that tie together. So there's that. So um, Mia and John, married couple. Um, I kinda like their relationship because it wasn't perfect. Even though you could tell that they really loved each other, they really cared about each other. There were moments in this movie where they had conflict that made sense.

Yeah, they're a young couple that's like still trying to figure it out because it's it's yeah, um, a part of its time, at least, you know, when this not when the movie came out, but like the time period it's based in.

Mm-hmm.

Where it's very much the culture is like you can they're probably, I mean, they're early 20s. It's just kind of that part is like you graduate from high school, you start, you know, m boys and men go to college and start doing that. And while you're there, you meet a girlfriend and you immediately get married and you immediately have a baby, and then that's what you do. As fast as you can, and as young and early as you can. Um so they're still like they're young adults, they're kids in a lot of ways, so they're still trying to like figure themselves out in their relationship. So you you see that oh, and the baby on the way just makes things more stressful. Um not always in bad ways, but but it is. Uh so it's very realistic. Like you said, there's a there's a realism there where it's not like this over-dramatic or like for you know the drama's sake, or like, oh no, they're gonna, you know, there's this conflict and they're gonna fight, and are they gonna it's like no, it's just young couples hit in the 60s. Like, yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah. I mean, their relationship honestly seems really healthy. And that does that isn't always what we see in these movies. Usually there's one that's had a past trauma, or there's some thing that comes back into their lives and messes everything up. In this case, they're really just a married couple. This is a man who's gone to medical school and is going to be a resident at a hospital, which I think most people know residency at a hospital as a doctor is a lot of work. It is a lot of hours, it is a lot of expectation.

One of my best friends is in the middle of all of that right now, and yeah, I don't get to see her very often.

No, the clinic like clinicals are it's there's just rotations and things that you have to do, and you don't really get a say. I mean, you have a specialty that you're working on, and that's what you're learning about, but you're at the mercy of, well, these are your hours, this is what you're gonna do. Oh, we're gonna put you on the night shift, this is what it's gonna be. Like, these are the types of things. And I really liked that John, even with all of this going on, is still focused on Mia and the baby when he can be. And I liked that there were points in this movie where it showed things like, oh, they had a plan, they were gonna have a dinner together and an adult time, and he missed it. Because that's real. Like that, those are the types of things that happen. You get held up, you can't, you can't just leave if you're you know a resident, it's it's just a different life.

And so he Now if your wife's about to jump out, you know, the top six floor window with a doll in her arms, then you can leave.

Yes.

Then he does.

Yeah.

Yeah. Because he realized, and I love that he wasn't doubting her every second. Like he listened to what she said, and even if it sounded a little bit crazy, he had witnessed some of the things, and he was not just dismissing her completely about it. And I appreciated that because a lot of times, especially women, get dismissed for being hysterical or it's all in your head. You know, those types of of tropes. It's like, oh yeah, you know, back in movie making in that time period, women were portrayed as needy and amazing.

I remember that.

Yeah. I mean, that's how they were portrayed on the screen, and so I really appreciated the depth that was given to Mia because she came across as someone who was his equal, if not in the time period, at least questioned and didn't get dismissed by him like some men might have done. And I appreciated that so much. John was a likable husband.

Yeah.

And that we don't we just don't always get it in some of these movies, and so I really, really appreciated it. That was something I just kept saying is this relationship seems realistic and healthy because it's not perfect, and neither of them are perfect. And that means a lot.

And Mia, played by Annabelle Wallace, which I just found kind of funny. I had to point it out because I'm like, that's great.

Uh you know, she's been very busy since this movie came out, and very recently she had a baby in real life with her partner who happens to be the winter soldier.

Alright.

Sebastian Stan.

Nice.

Uh you can tell I've got Marvel on the brain because I as we're recording this, I am going to see Spider-Man this weekend. And I'm just I'm so excited to do it. So any chance to talk Marvel.

And I saw it last weekend and it was incredible.

I know. I would have. Little thing called COVID is still running around, and I was sick for the whole weekend. Um, for the week, really. So I'm going this weekend. I can't wait. It's gonna be awesome.

Yeah, well, so it's starts off here. Uh, I mean, kind of your typical it really is there's it's Cookie Cutter sounds like a insult, and it I don't really mean it that way, but it it is very typical by the numbers um haunting, you know, supernatural possession ghost movie. Uh so we just kind of start with the house and see little things, and there's always setting. I was like, okay, what gory, horrible thing is gonna be caused by that sewing machine because you don't focus on it like that for no reason. And then when it does come up, I was like, Oh, that's it. That could have been way worse. Okay, she's fine. Uh moving on.

Uh Hank, have you ever stitched your finger?

I no, I I tend to not do things like that. That wouldn't be very smart.

Knowing me in the way that I am and how things just happen to me sometimes, I hate. Had a job once where I was stitching sneakers, believe it or not. I know more about sneakers than than I've ever told you. Um and those needles hurt like a mother. They're really bad. And so I'm watching this, and I'm all I can think is, oh my god, she's gonna stitch her finger. I know it's gonna happen, I know it's gonna happen. And we get we get a swerve like from the first one, but later it she's sewing again, and that's when that happens. But yeah, it took me back, and I'm like, no, no, I'm not a fan of sewing machines or needles, so no.

Right at the beginning of the movie, they're like focusing on her like fingers getting close to that needle. I was just like, foreshadow much? Of course, something's gonna happen. And it could have been worse. It was just a little thing. So I'm like, okay, we're fine. Yeah. Um now we do find out Mia is a doll person, so red flag, John. You should have no. Um and you know, out of his love for his wife, he bought the most horrifying looking one he could find. Uh, and she loves it. Uh, because she's been hunting, she's been hunting for this final doll in the Nightmare Fuel Trio to complete the set.

So Nightmare Fuel Trio. And what's funny is we never saw those other two dolls again later on once they moved.

No.

Just just the Annabelle doll.

They went on to go hunt and murder other people's children. Um, they were all horrifying. Uh, but all dolls are. I no. I my my grandmother had a doll room in her house, and I refused to sleep in there when I stayed over. I went to a different, I was like, no, I will not. When I was a kid. No.

Did you think they were gonna jump on your bed and attack you?

Hated them so much. Uh no, thank you.

But you do like people who make doll shoes.

Yes. Just the shoes. He doesn't deal with the dolls. He makes the shoes and then sends them on their way.

Um do you think he makes them without having dolls around him?

He better. Uh yeah, we get a couple of murder cultists uh who kill the neighbors, the Higgins, and then make their way into John and Mia's house. Of course, this uh woman cultist is Annabelle Higgins, the name of what we know. Annabelle, uh, who's also the neighbor's daughter who they had mentioned had run away like two years prior. Uh, and they even kind of joked, like, oh, she joined some hippie compound, and something was like, well, maybe something a little different. She joined a some group, a cult, uh, and then returned to murder her parents. Uh and then she was found in the doll room slash nursery with her throat slit, assumed by herself. But yeah.

I think so. I think so.

Uh blades right into the creepy ass doll that she's holding. And so that's how the possession of the most unsettling doll on earth starts. But if there's another movie that's called Creation that happens before this, then maybe not, and I don't understand and I don't know, and I guess I'll put those pieces together when we get there.

Uh, just gonna have to wait, Pink. Unless you do that thing where you watch the movies. I might watch.

But if I watch one tonight, it's gonna be Conjuring 2, I think, was what was next in the list. That's the next one.

Yeah. Which I really liked Conjuring 2, even more than the first one. So I'm really interested in what you think of it.

Yeah. I might watch that tonight, or I might watch wrestling, or I might play video games. I don't know yet. We'll see what happens.

You know what? Do whatever you feel like.

That's that's usually, yeah.

That's usually the best thing. Yes. Right? Just do whatever you feel like.

Yeah, John and Mia get attacked and all of this ordeal, but they do survive. Her pregnancy is at like some risk, so she's gotta rest more.

And then that's she was in shock. Like, you know that there that he she was stabbed and there was pain and everything, but she can't like Annabelle Wallace played that really well because you could feel that Mia was in shock over what had just happened to her and everything that's going around her and what she should do. She couldn't do anything because she she was overwhelmed by the situation. I mean and they had just seen all that stuff about the Manson family on TV earlier, and you know, she's right about locking the door, John.

Times uh changing. I don't know if that would have helped because the door was actively open because John was like over there at the time, so Oh, never a good idea.

And the thing is with this movie, I forgot how it worked out at the end for Mia and John, and so the whole time I'm thinking, I hope he doesn't die because I couldn't remember.

Mm-hmm.

It's been such a long time, 12 years since I'd seen it.

Yeah, so she's in bed rest, he's still going to school and work and doing his things. So again, it's again like insidious. Reminds me again, because you have a lot of that in Insidious of Josh kind of taking off, and then Renee is there at home by herself when all these things are happening. And so it's kind of again, that I I'm I'm feeling that, but it's it's a lot of that again by the numbers, ghost movie a little bit. We get the tale of the haunted sewing machine. Um and it's it's you know, things that start small and then get bigger, you know. Ghosts sure love rocking chairs, it's easily one of their favorite things, along with kitchen cabinets and light bulbs.

Yes, they're gonna be able to do it. Banging the doors, yes. That reminds me, we haven't covered poltergeist.

We haven't, we should.

And that's one that I feel like we're gonna have to cover soon because they're here. Um, yeah. That'd be good. We're gonna have to. And there's so much lore with that movie. So much lore. And so many stories that man, it's a lot to talk about.

Yeah, uh. And yeah, we have just like the attack and all that stuff, and then I almost want to say Annabelle, but uh the actress. Mia. Mia's not a fan of, you know, it's like, you know, reminding of that night and stuff, so that, you know, Annabelle was holding that doll and there's blood on it, and although it's now not bloody. Uh but it was just kind of there, but you know, it's like Annabelle doesn't like hearing that you're gonna get rid of her. You know, sorry, that's not gonna work for me, John.

Uh you know, and he worked so hard to get that doll for her, and he was just gonna throw it out. I'm like, you wouldn't try to sell it. I mean, you spent a lot of money on that.

That is a good point.

Probably would have done better with that, but you know, I don't I don't know. And Mia wants nothing to do with that house, even like she she wants them to get out. No more house. But he does really know her well because he brings her pickles and mustard, and she's thrilled with it. The cravings are real for Mia.

Yeah. Uh they talked to this detective about the situation, and then yeah, learning this, like the it that is such a big point. It's like, were they satanic? Is it a satanic cult? Like, they want to know, and I was like, Yeah, mention Satan, and it all gets that much more scary and dangerous for people. Uh and I would say that, yeah, this time period was big on that, but satanic panic is a cycle that loves to keep coming around. Because we it was here, and then the 90s were huge on that. I was a kid in the middle of all of that, so I know the satanic manic of the nineties very well, as the things I was and wasn't allowed to do as a kid. Um it's made a comeback now in the 20s. And how does that make you feel, me referring to the present day as the 20s? Because it is.

I know.

I had that realization while making that note and went, fuck. The roaring twenties, it is again.

It doesn't feel good, does it? It does not feel good.

I know, and then I have this whole like existential crisis of like, oh god, so like 50, 60, 70 years from now, when we're all dead and gone, and you know, or at least close on the way out, then all the young people and people living there are then when they're referring to, yeah, back all the way back in the 20s, they're referring to now and not the 1920s.

He spoke people who were born in the 1800s and went through the 1920s were thinking the same thing. Probably, honestly. It's crazy. You do though start to think about oh, things are just it's just the cycle.

Like it'll take a few more decades, at least, definitely, but there will be a period of time when things switch over to when people start referring back to the 20s. It will not be the 1920s they're talking about. No.

It'll be the 2020s. And the first thing out of their mouths will be, do you remember the coronavirus? Do you remember the pandemic? Uh the great pandemic of 2020. Yes, I remember it. It was not that long ago. It was six years ago, but it seems like it was two. Yeah. It's crazy. But John, you know what? He does what she asks, he throws it out, he doesn't try to sell it, he just gets it out of there, and then he has to go away for a conference or something as part of this process where he could figure out where he's going to be placed, basically. And uh, she's very supportive of him. Like it's a very mutually supportive relationship. Um he goes to make popcorn and well, she's asleep when he comes back. I had to laugh. You know, she went on bed rest, and he said, Don't get sucked into those soap operas. And she said, You know, I hate those. She was watching General Hospital most of the times the TV was on, and that is a soap opera that is still on today. My mom has watched it forever, and she gets angry every so often because they're recycling stories with different characters. I'm like, oh, that kind of reminds me of something else I watch. And sometimes it works out well and other times not.

When something runs that long, you eventually kind of have to.

Uh because you run out of ideas, right? I don't know. So, yeah.

Yeah. Sewing machine payoff wasn't that big. She's fine, honestly. Yeah. Uh but meanwhile, during that moment, the the ghost is hungry and it's making popcorn. Mm-hmm.

How did she not hear anything that was going on? I mean, I know she had the TV on, I know she was sewing. But she wasn't doing that much. I mean, I feel like she would have heard something.

I don't know.

But she's got a nose like a bloodhound because once fire took hold, she knew something was going on. And I relate to you, Mia, because shit just happens to you. You bump into something and fall down. It just happens to you. I I get that because it's how things happen me too. Shit just happens to me, and I just have to deal with it. I I don't know. It's not always fair.

And then John, of course, he's like, it's just gonna be a few days. You can't leave for any amount of time because you have a snacky ghost who hates babies and wants to set things on fire. Or loves babies and did all of it just to induce Mia's labor to get that little nugget out of there. I don't know. It was one way or the other.

You know, I think I think it's the latter. I think she wanted little Leah to make an appearance. Um and it's Leah in the hospital, the nurse that comes in with Leah to show her to John. That is the nurse from the beginning of the I didn't even notice that.

That's fine.

Yeah. It is not often that I see something that you don't. So I'm happy about that. I'm gonna I'm gonna take that as a win.

She's got a little column somewhere, she'll write that down in.

Yeah. It's it's not a column that's been accessed very often.

So yeah, now that house is is done for after that. So she does get to move out of that house and they find them a nice little apartment in Pasadena. Honestly, it's a nice kind of little apartment building. It's a huge apartment. Honestly, it's really nice for an apartment. It is. Size-wise. Um do have the loud upstairs neighbors issue, which as she's like sitting there listening to all going, she's memorized, like, and now she's gonna go over here and then they're gonna slam that door, and then they're like, I was like, I feel your pain and annoyance.

I was gonna ask you about that.

I do. I live in that. Uh I'm still working towards leaving that behind. Even today, I was like, four more months is the goal. Let's go.

Let's go. It's gonna be like you gotta keep putting that positive energy out in the world.

Yeah.

It is. I you've been in that apartment even before I've known you. Like you've got the noise over here and all the craziest. Can you imagine what it's gonna be like when we get to record a podcast without any noise from the highway, and it'll be in a room that's meant for podcasting and fun stuff.

Yes, we'll be good. Very excited. Uh but yeah, uh, so we meet baby Leah. Leah. Mia and Leah, and then e Mia Leah, the mother duo-daughter duo, which Mia Leah together. Um Leah's not really Latin. There is Latin, but I didn't like the one. So if you mix the like Hebrew or Babylonian Leah with Mia, it would literally could translate to my exhaustion or my cow. Uh but I like this. Okay. Exhaustion, tiredness, weariness is better. Um it you kind of it also, again, if we went full uh Latin, it would be my lion. And that's not as funny. So I like exhaustion or cow better.

Yeah. I'll have to ask uh one of my friends had a baby a couple of months ago, and uh I'm gonna ask her about I'm gonna tell her what you found out, or maybe she'll listen to this. And uh she can tell us if that is if if that represents, you know, the feeling of being a new mom. I will say that Mia always looked fantastic. Like her clothes and everything, whoever styled this movie did such a great job. Whether her hair was always perfect, her she didn't look exhausted. Like Annabelle Wallace looked fantastic through the whole movie, even when she was terrified. So there's that.

Uh we we meet briefly for uh Evelyn, their neighbor, also lives in the building. Uh Alfrey Woodard, and I'm always happy to see her on my screen. Always, always.

Always she's always always, always, always. She is fantastic.

Yes, definitely a favorite of mine. Love seeing her. Uh, of course, like all the DC stuff she did, but then also she's done a number of uh did Marvel stuff as well. Uh and then, of course, more recently, she was uh one of the stars of the Netflix series, The Burrows.

I heard really good things about that.

So good. So good.

She didn't have as big of a role as I thought that she would have in this movie, but I really liked her character of Evelyn and and the support that she gave to Mia when John was not able to be there. I just felt like she it was nice to see a non-toxic female relationship. Because sometimes those go south, because usually someone's cheating or there's some mixed-up toxic thing that's happening. So it was really cool to see.

Yeah, they're unpacking and getting this new apartment set up still. Why are you still building your collection of tiny nightmares? I don't know why she's still doing this. And then of course in the box was like, Annabelle, you stowaway, you weren't invited.

Uh no, but she handles it so weird, right? Like she just picks her up and John wants to get rid of it.

Because, you know, she's an insane person.

John wants to get rid of it. Like he's like, we need to get this out of here. It needs to happen, it needs to go away. We've got to get rid of it.

Yeah.

And she's doesn't want to hear it. I mean, to be fair, the doll has been it has seen better days. It's quite a bit dirty.

Yeah, I mean it already looked horrifying as hell before that, but now Peg, have you ever seen Mr.

Rogers Neighborhood?

Yes. Why would it again? I was a child of the 90s.

Yes.

So I I I was still there's still part of that.

So, um, there was one of the puppets on on that.

The the Prince of something I know what you're talking about.

King Friday. King Friday, yeah. That's what it was. Right.

Yeah.

Was it King Friday that was the yeah. Has that fixed a little bit?

No. I'm thinking of Lady Elaine Faetra. Oh, yeah.

I mean they all had creepy porcelain faces. Yeah.

The one that ran the museum. Yes. That was, yeah. And you'll have to look it up later, and it will induce your nightmares for tonight.

Yeah, it's yeah. They're just creepy.

Creepy. They are. Creepy, creepy.

Uh, Mia meets, yes, the upstairs neighbor kids, uh, which we don't really get their names, uh, because the boy, I mean, that kid really paid attention to the Stranger Danger talk, and he took it strongly to heart. Um, and you know what? Yeah. It's not a bad thing. Good for him. Um Yeah, absolutely.

Oh my god. He was very serious about it. And the girl, she's a budding artist, right?

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Um, we don't really get to see the talents right at that moment, but later on they come into play.

I I don't know. Uh I was like, why am I cracking up and laughing so hard? I it just it made me laugh. It was so funny, John's critiquing of the art skills of this horribly ominous Kriyon drawing. Uh he's just like, well, if Leah did something like this, we'd want to know about it. And he goes, Well, Leah would never do anything like this. It's not even good. I mean, look at the proportions.

Again, John, a non-toxic male lead without issue. I'm just still like, what? Is he a s he's gotta be a serial killer or so funny. Yeah. It was it was so. He was kind of the comic relief because he at when he had to be, there wasn't a lot of comedy. But yes, that was one of the mo the humorous moments.

Yes. I I laughed so hard. More than I probably should have. It just it's like just wasn't expecting him to just be like take it so lightheartedly and make a joke like that. And it was such a great joke.

No.

It's like that's incredible. Uh but yeah, we see that that does lead to more and more arguments. And it doesn't ever get really bad, but you can tell, you know, you see them like he'll say the wrong thing and put his foot in his mouth a little bit. And I love that while you hear them like arguing or like disagreeing about something, that it like goes to the other room and just focuses on Annabelle, on the doll laying in there as you hear their voices. It's like she's just sewing division between the couple. She's listening to them arguing and disagreeing, and she's in there like she's some damn emperor palpatine, you know. Yes, feel the hate flow through you.

But it never got really bad. I feel like they they didn't scream at each other. It was more of a disagreement and they talked about it. Like they were more mature for what their ages probably were. Um I felt for her because we knew that Annabelle was evil and what she was up to, and I just felt like things were just stacking up against her the whole time. Like because she was the one that was home all the time with the baby.

Yeah, and then even like the the small little ghost things, now it's ratcheting up even in like in a new home. You know, she was like, John, you're late for dinner. You don't get music anymore. Uh but the music comes back on because Annabelle is vibing to it. So how dare you turn that off?

Bring it on. We gotta keep it going.

And then ghostly window children. I hate when those show up. Because exterminators charge so much for those. It's especially the ones that grow into adults as they pass through doorways, it is always a hassle.

I know. That's extra. Isn't that like a $500 surcharge that it's on top of it? Yeah.

Yeah, it's the worst kind of pest to have to deal with, so I really feel for Mina there.

Um even before that, when she was picking up the paintings, uh going up the stairs and picking up not the paintings, but the pictures as she goes up the stairs, the way it the camera kept circling around. It was like, oh yeah, this is getting more and more creepy. But I feel like it was the camera shots like that that made this movie because they were very clever. We you know, we've only covered one other conjuring movie, but cinematography is a really big part of these movies going forward too. Like it's just something that's always top of mind. How things are laid out, what the audience is given, it comes back. So you have to pay attention to those things.

Yeah. Um she takes a quick little trip downstairs. Uh, you know, she's like, I left the baby with Annabelle as a babysitter, so nothing can go wrong. Um man and then that whole scene like in the basement and a trash storage area. Why was I waiting for that carriage to get hit by a basement truck? Just because of the drawings and stuff. I was like waiting for that. I'm like, here. Um but no, the devil does somehow, in fact, make more sense. Well, we will do that.

We we You don't know. You just know something's coming and something's gonna happen, but there are so many switches and swerves. You get what you think is coming, but not when you think it's coming.

Yeah.

And so it can be Yeah, it can be a little bit crazy because what you're expecting the timing is different than what you're looking at.

And then we see like a demon or even the devil, uh, and she runs to the elevator and then hits the sixth floor button and she goes up, and it's a nice top floor basement that they have there in that building.

You know, not many buildings come with that many basements. Yeah. And what we're what we're getting here. And I know where you live, you don't have basements in your house.

No. Why would we? They would all flood. It's our hurricane area. You don't do that.

Yeah. Yeah. That that I mean, it's a w it's a waste of good. Yeah.

It's a bad idea. Um in the elevator, the light bulbs flickering. I told you they love that, and ghosts are a big fan of that. It's another one of those things on their list.

Uh I wondered if it was trying to send her a message in Morse code and she just wasn't getting it.

No. She doesn't. She doesn't know Morse code. Uh yeah, and then running back. So it's like, okay, this elevator only goes to basement, so let's uh take the stairs. Uh and of course, go going up the stairs, the stuff with like the hand, the devil hand kind of from the different like on the banister is so cool. And then we get the lightning flash, and then the devil is at the bottom of the stairs, just like still staring up at her. That moment, I audibly went, ooh, ooh. And like I was like, ooh, and I just like lean forward in my chair, and I'm like so locked in at that moment. That's the creepy shit that I love. And I don't know what exactly that is or how to describe it or put a name on it for somebody, but that element is why I love horror movies. Whatever that is. The things that are just like, it's not a jump scare, it's not a, but it's just a thing. And it's hard because sometimes it's a quick like in the background thing, like the background things that pass, or it's something like that where it's just there's something horrifying there in plain view, and it's not moving, and there's that tension. Whatever that is, is what I love about horror. That's that's the thing for me that gets me, that makes me get really excited and giddy and audibly go, ooh.

It's only taken us 260 episodes, folks, to get to the nitty-gritty of the situation and learn what Paik loves about horror.

That's that's what it whatever that element is, and I don't know what label you can put on that. Maybe it is like tension, but it's not, but it's not like built tension. It's it's a yeah, I don't know what that is, but that moment where something something scary is actively happening or is there, but it's not a jump scare. It's not meant to like blow you off your feet, but it's just supposed to be in your face and scary quietly. Again, it's hard to explain what it is, but it's like subtle subtle tension or subtle innuendo or subtle I don't know.

We're gonna have to think on that.

Yeah, I don't know, because it's not even that subtle, because again, you see it with uh the face and the eyes, and it's there. It's kind of like when we did the ritual is that moment of like when the creature moves.

Yeah.

It's like it's not a jump scare, it's not like sudden, but it's something where you have that thing that goes off in your brain, you're like, that was there the whole time, and now I see it, and this just got scarier. Whatever that is, is what I love. And I don't know.

That is that okay. Now that I know that I can lock in on which movies might be more fun to cover.

The thing that is my sweet spot with horror that we'll never actually be able to put a description or word on, but that. Um Okay. Yeah, we we learn more things. We know we have Evelyn. Again, we talk about Alfred Woodard. Uh it's always lucky to have some new friend who's very into this stuff and has all the convenient books to learn the right exposition for the movie to get those things. Uh, of course, yeah, demons that want a soul. Yes, I've seen Insidious. Got it.

Yes. That is my my note is.

I'm on board.

Is ghost haunt places. So this is a demon in human spirit looking for a soul, not stopping till they get one. Sounds very insidious in all caps.

Evelyn Belize, same person. Okay, got it.

Yep. Yep. I feel like they're kindred spirits together, I think.

Yeah. Uh get some uh, you know, go all these books and get all this stuff together. And then Leah almost gets pet cemeteried, but her carriage was needed for all the occult books instead, so she's good. So the prophetic crayon drawings foretold the death of that stroller, at least. Uh yes.

R.I.P. stroller.

Yeah, and things just ratchet up more and more because then she's learning. It's like it just wants the baby, but it's and then we get that moment of her being locked in the room. And I was like, Annabelle, stop that. You are naughty. Quiet. Stop trying to drop them books up on that baby.

Why on earth did that, honestly? That just made me think of the righteous gemstones for some reason. I don't know.

Yeah, and I I literally I was literally saying that out loud while watching the movie. For sometimes when ghosts get real novelty, then some southern grandma comes out of me for some reason. Oh, Annabelle, you stop that right now.

Oh my god.

That is That is not how a civilized young creepy doll lady behaves.

Um she so Mia does meet with Carlin again, who didn't expect to hear from her because she when they met with him, he was the police uh detective from when the murders happened with the Higgins and all of that at the beginning of the movie. Um he was really surprised to hear from her because she had made it clear she wanted to move past all of these things. But he answered her questions this time and explained to her that you know, crazy people do crazy things. They've learned that this act wasn't about, you know, a devotional, they were trying to conjure a devil or demon or something, and that they were part of this cult called Disciples of the Ram. And the blood mark looks a lot like the Blair Witch project, that's what I'm gonna say. It looks like one of the stick figures. Um but I really appreciated that Evelyn was really trying to help her and not treating her like she was crazy because she had experienced similar, not similar like demon-type things, but spiritualistic, I guess, things in her life that made her more open about things like this. And you know, they just decide John decides, she and John bring in um Perez, who is their priest at their church.

Yeah. Because they can convince they they this demon wants their baby's soul. And actually the demon wants Mia's soul, but is using them, believing that sh that it it wants Leah as bait to then manipulate manipulate and use that as we see that that played out at the end.

Uh and John figures it out kind of that these are the things that are happening and he needs to get home.

Yeah. Because things just keep getting scarier with the baby. You know, it was like, but I love Annabelle like sitting up on its own and then standing. And I was like, now dolls aren't supposed to do that. And it was like, oh wait, it's just Satan. Never mind. That's fine. Um it all checks out, we're good.

Uh well, you know what? Every child needs an auntie Evelyn who spoils her with dresses and toys, and then spoils her mother with friendship because those are just things that need to happen.

Yeah. So as you said, yeah, uh, Father Perez is is called. He shows up and he goes, Let me see that doll. And I was like, how does he not immediately then tell her, like, oh come on, Mia, look at that thing. It's clearly evil. This is on you, I think, at this point. Like, how do you not look at that thing for one second and go, oh, that's obviously one of the most malevolent spirits in the history of the earth? Got it.

Um, yes. I mean, the original doll that this was based on was a raggedy an, which looks it is the most non-menacing looking dollars.

Which is why, like, the real, real, quote unquote, real. Uh, we talked about this in the conjuring uh when we covered this, I think a lot of it. But yeah, like is why that story is, I guess, more believable because you're like, yeah, it's a raggedy an. People used to get that for their kids all the time, so why it it would be so just like under the radar. But yeah, uh, but I get it, it's not as creepy for a horror movie if it was a raggedy an. Plus, they probably would get sued by whatever toy company makes those. So can't really do that. But yeah, I I think we did talk about this when we did the conjuring. Uh but yeah, just a rehash if people haven't listened to that one or if I forgot what I've said about it. So yeah, the real, quote unquote, uh, Annabelle is a Raggedy Ann doll. Uh the tale is similar. Uh, a mother bought it as a gift for her nursing student daughter, and then there were these claims of it moving around the apartment or the house or whatever on its own, and then one of the roommates got scratched or something with it. So nothing like super crazy happened, like what happens in these movies. But yes, the actual Warrens and Lorraine Warren investigated it, claimed it was possessed by a malicious spirit, and took it from the nursing student uh to where they took it to, and it still to this day resides in their uh museum in Connecticut. Uh sometimes it gets taken out on little tours for people to get to see it in person. Um and then I don't know. Do you want to go see it in person? I don't know. I don't think I would care, but I also I think we talked about this in the conjuring. I don't believe in any of this stuff, so like it doesn't really bother me. Be like, yep, that's it all. Uh but there are these claims of cursed things happening uh during the tour in the cities that it's taken to. Of course, the host of that tour, the guy that was actually in charge of that tour, unexpectedly died in Gettysburg during the tour uh last year.

Yep.

Uh coincidence. Yeah. Also in New Orleans, of course, the Nottaway uh plantation home burned down during Annabelle's visit. So I guess the ghost is actually a good guy as well. Um it's a superhero ghost. Um demon thing, whatever. It's both.

I think someone bought the museum now.

Um it's closed. From what I understand, and there was I heard it, and then I heard that it was not true, but then now if you go on Wikipedia, it says it is confirmed true. So based on that, so apparently the comedian Matt Reif is the owner of the uh Warren estate right now in the museum. And all of the things that are so technically the owner of the real Annabelle Dahl is Matt Reif, which is strange, but okay.

Yeah.

Absolutely. I mean, it's not something that was probably on his bucket list, but I mean, hey, I don't know how many Matt Reif fans are in here that I upset.

It's like, good for him for taking up owning a museum because he's got to do something other than comedy because that's not good.

Um but you know what's funny? I just looked him up and he's playing a show in Bangor, Maine, in like two days.

Yeah, my my boss at Randy and Kimmy Riley's parents went and saw him a while back, and then I remember talking to them and I was like, How's the show? And they go, Awful. We walked out halfway through.

Oh my gosh.

So he's not someone we'll go see at the comedy club.

No.

Um like we did this time. We had so much fun at the comedy club when we went. Like last month. It was great.

But yeah, so that's that. So yeah, the the real Annabelle stuff. Uh yeah. I was like, where did I get off on that? I was like, oh yeah, because you you talked about the raggedy Ann.

We've had so many tangents in this episode. It's I hope that people don't mind all the laughter because I feel like we've been on little tangents here and there about things that loosely connect. It's what you do. It's cool. Yeah.

So they're talking to Father Perez. Okay, what do we do? How do we get rid of it? And he's like, well, it's a long shot, but I could try to call in a Patrick Wilson and verify Amiga combo cameo. Or I'll I'll take the doll to church. But it's gotta sit in the back seat because it has not been good enough to to sit shotgun.

Yeah, and you know, during the this time frame, kids could sit in the front seat. Oh, Annabelle's not it's not Annabelle. It's a doll. Ugh, it doesn't really matter. He's missing.

He's still been pretty naughty. So he's been so naughty. Yes, he's gonna take the doll to to church. Yeah, it's sitting in the back seat with bloodshot eyes on the demon doll. That was honestly a horrifying visual. Um Bravo.

Again, if you look up Lady Elaine Fairchild from Mr. Rogers, I swear resembles this doll.

Yeah, but Annabelle says, I am not going to church. You can't make me give me my doll back.

Yeah. And then I was trying to remember, oh, did they just kill Father Perez? Oh no, he he's at the hospital.

I strangely enough, I knew he wouldn't die. Um again, I haven't seen any other movies, but I think it is one of those. Is it La Yorona or Wolves at the Gate? One of those. The little tidbit that I did find is why it's technically in the universe is one of those movies. The tie-in is that Father Perez is the character.

Oh, okay. Alright. That makes sense.

So I was like, well, but but I again those movies could have taken place in the timeline before this. So who knows?

So who knows?

But there was part of me going, like, well, I know there's a tie-in with him, so he probably won't die. Uh now, uh the difference from insidious rules with Annabelle here and this demon is that much like a vampire, this demon must be invited in to the soul instead of just taking it. Um so then it will use manipulation tactics, as we talked about. Uh and so then I'm trying to think, I didn't realize it was just gonna be so like hard hammered in, just like on the nose, like, oh, the manipulation tactic is if you want your baby to live, then you have to jump out the window. Uh so then I started thinking, I was like, wait, is there somebody? So then I'm like all among us on this. I was like, wait, who's the imposter? I was like, is there somebody who's being used by the demon to like lure Mia in? And then I start thinking, well, Evelyn, is she sus because she's got all this stuff going on? And then I was like, but what about the detective? Because he kept saying, like, crazy people do crazy things. I was like, he's repeating things. There's something off with him. And then even Josh does, or not Josh, that's ins uh insidious. Um, even John has this moment where he's like, I believe everything you say. And it's like, why does that feel disingenuous? Why does it feel like you're actively just trying to like play along? And then I was like, is John part of the cult the whole time? Like my whole brain is like, somebody's really like Rosemary's baby. Right, like what's what's going on here? Uh and I'm waiting, like, somebody has been a part of this like satanic cult the whole time, has been an inside person. None of that happened. But it did make me start questioning that. I was like, then I'm looking at everybody suspiciously, like, mmm.

But you just don't know. You don't know who to trust.

Uh-huh. But but no, Evelyn's she's cool. She's she's a real one. She checks out. Uh, the big demon attack, the back masking gag on the vinyl. I thought that was fantastic. Again, definitely got a good chuckle out of me, which I don't think is the intended reaction from the filmmakers. They want it to be scary. But for me, I promise that it's a compliment that it made me laugh. Because it just means that I really appreciated the bit, the the the horror bit. It's not a comedy bit, it's a horror bit.

It's a horror bit.

But I still I react similarly where I'm like, oh, I see what they did there, and it makes me laugh. So it's it's it's a compliment.

Absolutely. Um I mean, she was ready to. I mean, at first she goes in the room and it's got in red crayon, which creepy use of a red crayon.

Right. I mean, she gets so scared. I mean, she forgets how door locks work. You know? Yes. Because you know, the baby's missing. Uh, she can hear the cries throughout the apartment. There's bloody dolls, there's yeeted neighbors, it's all chaos. Yeah, because like Evelyn gets pulled out and then the door closes and locks behind Evelyn, but I was like, the lock is on the inside, and then Mia runs over there and she's like pulling on the handle. I was like, the lock is on the inside. You just unlock it. Like it. Okay.

This isn't how locks work. No. It's like trying to open a door that opens out, but you're pulling it in. It's like it's not gonna work.

And then she sees Leah laying on the floor, and then that baby doll gets switched for a different baby doll. Did take me out of a little bit when like the baby's laying there, and then she like read runs over there to pick it up, and I was like, You're clearly holding a like newborn doll. I was like, it's worse than American Sniper, my god. Um my gosh. Um, but then it act I was like, that's not your baby, that's a doll. And then it was like, oh no, actually in the movie it is also turns into a doll, so it's fine, it works.

Yeah.

Yeah, the manipulation, save your baby, offer your soul. I mean, they're playing hardball now.

Uh and she's gonna do it because she loves her child, loves her daughter.

Harkens back to when she was pregnant, and there's that conversation between her and John where she makes him promise the baby's life become comes before mine. If anything happens, you make sure the baby lives, even if I don't. And so I immediately thought of that of like, this is her version of now making that happen. Yep.

And she's gonna do it. But John gets there just in time to g he grabs her, he doesn't let her. And she Is upset because she thinks it's the only way. But then we go back to a quote from earlier in the movie, and Father Perez says to them during a sermon, Greater love hath no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. And that's exactly what happens because Evelyn wants to do this for Mia. And she goes out the window with the doll.

Actually, the realist. Um very sad, but yeah, sacrificing herself for the whole family. And then yeah, it's all over now. Annabelle's clearly satisfied and got what she wanted, and it's definitely not gonna ever be a problem again. Especially not like for two more movies or something like that. Well, creation's a prequel, but you know, at least another movie of chaos in the future definitely not gonna happen. Except the doll Michael Myers away after the fall, so that's great.

Always.

Of course it did. Always landed itself in an antique sh store to be passed on to a med student.

Yep.

Whether she likes it or not.

Yep. Which is then good that it didn't really have a chance to do too much harm with the med student before the Warrens got it. And then the Warrens definitely put it in that box and it stayed there the whole time. Well, except during the conjuring when it teamed up with Bathsheba to try to kill Ed and Lorraine's daughter. But we don't worry about that. But then they put it back in the box and it will stay there until the movie that's called Annabelle Comes Home, I assume it probably leaves. But you know what? We won't we'll worry about that at a different time.

Yes. That's that's a few movies away, Peg. We don't need to be thinking about that right now. We don't need to be thinking about that right now. We can let that go. That can go away. We don't have to think about it.

But other than that, it's all fine and done for now. And everybody's happy and good.

For now. Until what come whatever comes next. I mean, really, truly. Um I'd I'd go back to what you said about Annabelle Wallace playing Mia and this movie being Annabelle. It is kind of humorous that that that it worked out that way.

Oh, the notes I've got.

Um, I don't have anything else. We have talked about everything that I had on my list and so many things that were not even on my list. They just came out in the discussion. So yeah. I think that I enjoyed this one more this time than the first time. It was that I watched it ages ago.

It was a fun time to finally get around to watching this one, and I am excited to dive more into the Conjuring Extended Universe. Uh, we'll try to sprinkle these in a little more often, maybe. We'll see. But again, I might just go ahead and watch them all on my own time, marathon them, and by marathon I mean spread them out over the next four months. I don't know. We'll see.

Uh but it's I don't know.

You can binge other shows to watch and things. Although I did finish Only Murders in the Building, I'm caught up, so that binge is done, so I have a little more time now.

Okay. Well, you know what you can fill it with.

Mm-hmm.

More Conjuring.

Yes.

I think if you watch Conjuring 2, you're gonna want to cover it like we'll cover it anyway. I mean sooner than rather than later, because I think it was the best one. Out of all the Conjuring movies I've seen, I think it's the best one.

Alright, nice. There goes the feedback phone. So we'll have to look through that and see what's going on there. See what people have to say about this one. Absolutely. Alright, we do have a couple of little bits of feedback this week, so excited to get to those. Um so yeah, uh, this first one's a little different, well interesting. So, Daphne, I'll I'll hand it over to you. I don't do different, different and interesting. That's not mine, thank you.

I'm aware, yes.

Stick me. Everything but doing different very normal and by the book. I never do anything strange ever.

No, not at all. Never. Not in six years of doing this podcast have you done anything strange. That may or may not be true. I don't know. I'll leave it up to our listeners to figure it out. Yeah, this first one comes from uh Leaf, who left it on our Discord channel. He says, Cool, I never heard of this particular podcast. I am listening to the Midsummer episode, and since I've been on vacation near Britannia Mine, where I hear the tour guide say that the descent was filmed here. Well, after some research, both of the descent movies were filmed in UK Scotland area. I am delighted that you guys have an episode featuring Jason. I remember the descent being in the same category as wrong turn, the Hills Have Eyes Reboot, etc. My college friends and I were watching these cheesy horror movies all the time while being hungover in the 2000 in the 2000s. I remember at the time Silent Hill being very wild and twisted, which I imagine this new Resident Evil is gonna be like. You know, yes, we gotta cover the Silent Hill movie.

Yeah, we've not done that. Yeah, and then cueing up a couple other things, because yeah, uh Midsummer was a fun one that's recent. Uh and thanks, Leaf, for finding us and listening to that. I enjoyed that. And then he did bring up, because that's quite an old episode.

That is a That's episode 22.

That's in the within the first year, yeah, of doing it.

So first season.

Uh yeah, first season. We do have the descent where we had Jason Kavassi from uh Podcastica at large uh on on with us. All kinds of podcastica stuff that he does. Um yeah, so that's one if you haven't checked out, go back and listen to the descent. It's an early episode. That was a fun one. And then also him queuing up the new Resident Evil, talking about that, because that is coming up soon. Yes. Which I think we've mentioned it before because it is directed by Zach Kreg, who we have talked about both of his previous movies, Weapons, and then Barbarian before that. So we are huge Kregger fans here on this podcast, so I'm sure we'll do that one as well when it is available.

It's got a different feel, the trailer for Resident Evil, and I don't know how like longtime fans of the game and the movies are gonna react to it, but he hasn't let us down with either of his other two films that we've covered, and I think he's got such a bright future. Yeah. I want to see what he's bringing to the table, so I will be going to see it in the theater.

Yeah, that'll be good. Alright, and then the feedback for this week's movie, for Annabelle, of course, Catherine coming through, as always. And she says, Annabelle is the type of horror movie that I can play in the background while I multitask other things. I don't understand it, I'll never, but you know what? Yeah, goes on to say, I can't take it too seriously, but I love the jump scares and not knowing when that face will pop out at me. Knowing how horrible Lorraine and Ed were um knowing how horrible Lorraine and Ed Warren were in real life makes it harder to enjoy, but babies in danger will always scare me. Fun story a few months ago, under the supervision of grandpa, my seven-year-old watched a bunch of YouTube horror did you know videos, including one that showed the history of the original haunted Raggedy Ann Annabelle doll.

Oh my god.

My parents saved my Raggedy Ann doll from the eighties, and my daughter started hiding it around their house when she visited. Eventually she she talked about being scared of it, and I explained how the haunted doll was kept in a special box and had people make sure that it didn't hurt anyone. It worked, and my Raggedy Ann doll is allowed to hang out with the other stuffies again. And I went to fact-check myself on the current whereabouts of the haunted Annabelle and discovered that the comedian Matt Reif bought the museum, including Annabelle, in 2025. What? Yeah, I think we talked about that in this episode. So yeah, that's a wild thing, just a factoid that it's existing that it exists.

It's so interesting to me, and I think we've mentioned this before, how the comedians and comic people in the comedy space are now infiltrating into the horror realm and it's actually working really well. Just gonna throw that out there.

Yeah. Which I'm not me personally, I don't know if did we even talk about it in this episode? I don't remember if I gave my thoughts on that rife or not, or that was after the fact. Maybe I did. I'm not a big fan of his. Uh, not my cup of tea for the most part, but I did see a trailer this weekend. I went and saw a couple of movies this weekend. Or no, not this weekend, this week.

It's my weekend, I'm off.

But I went and saw a couple movies this week. Uh, and he was in the trailer for one. It was called I think it's it's like a just like a raunchy comedy, just kind of the return of those uh called Idiots, um, with uh Mason Thames, which from The Black Phone. Oh tie-in there, which is funny because that trailer played before I was I was seeing Nimrods, which is the Green Day uh written movie about the the you know high school band that drives across the country because they're gonna try to open for Green Day, which Mason Thames also started in. And I was like, so he's going from being a Nimrod to an idiot in these two movies.

But is he an American idiot? You see what I did there, right? That connection. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um he's really been blowing up since being in Blackphone.

Yeah.

He's done a number of movies with his girlfriend.

I mean, no one's ever. She was she was in Nimrods with him.

Oh yeah. But no one's ever heard of her before. I don't know. Have you heard of her? McKenna Grace?

Yeah, there's very little known.

I mean, they're like maybe 20 at this point, or 19 or 20, and McKenna Grace has just been around forever.

She's got quite the resume under already. Yeah.

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Absolutely we do. Appreciate it a lot. And of course, speaking of sharing the love, you know I gotta give some shout-outs to the things going on in the podcastica universe around us and beyond. A lot of great other podcasts and stuff for you to listen to in between episodes here until next week when we are back. A lot of great stuff, of course, over on the Walking Dead Cast. Uh, Walking Dead, Dead City Season 3 running right now. Ben and Alex have been doing the coverage of that over there. So if you've been watching that or want to check that out with the great podcast coverage aside it, then yeah, go listen to that over there at the Walking Deadcast. Uh also the Dragon Cast, House of the Dragon, has wrapped season three, and they always go by so fast. It feels like I get so excited for a new season, and then it's immediately over, and I have to wait God knows how many more years for the next one. And then I I forget about it, and then I'm like, oh, it starts next week. Yay! Like I already sneaks back up on me, and then it's gone again. It's a very fickle show.

I think it's gonna be two years. It'll be the last season, but in between, we get a Knight of the Seven Kingdoms.

I'm down for that. Loved that show.

I need that. I need that because there's so much intensity in House of the Dragon that Dunkin' Egg. I just need some Dunkin' Egg time.

Yes. So, yeah, Dragon, so House of the Dragon done for the season, but you can listen to their entire coverage over on Dragoncast. And then they've got a big whopping listener feedback episode this week for you to check out as well. Wendy, Veronica, and Archmaester Running did an incredible job over there wrapping that up, so go check out that listener feedback episode and in the wrap-up there. Um also we got a brand new podcast kicked off here on Podcastica, uh Casting Light podcast, uh, which is for the HBO show Lanterns, the DC uh series, Green Lantern Core and stuff, which I actually watched the first episode today and really enjoyed it. I thought it was really good. Uh it's definitely this like hard R-rated, more very adult and mature DC universe that we're doing now. Um but yeah, I thought it was great. I really enjoyed it. So if you also are a DC fan, lanterns fan, whatever, want to check that out. Jason, Kirk, and Jim are covering that over there, so you can check out. They've got a little intro episode to kind of cue up everything and talk about that. And then the first episode should be out uh soon, if not. It's out now. Yeah. You'll listen to it now. Yeah. So definitely go check that out if you're watching that. Um also a podcast we haven't plugged in a little while, but Yellow Jackets WTF may be coming back soon enough. And I'm just gonna, on a whim, let you take that one because you're a little more tied to that one than I am.

I am yeah, so season four of Yellow Jackets, the final season of Yellow Jackets, is going to start on November 20th. So we got that news today, the day that we're recording this, or we're super stoked over at Yellow Jackets WTF. Um it promises to bring a lot of creepiness and and we'll see where it goes. But uh yeah, we're very excited to cover the fourth and final season. I'm kind of glad that it's going to end because I think it's been really well done, and I think sometimes shows overstay their welcome, and I want this one to end in on the right beat at the right time. Um, so I'm hoping that we'll get that, and it seems like it's gonna cover some things that I've been wondering. Hopefully, we'll get some questions answered. Season three was off the rails, and so I'm interested in seeing where they take us in this final season.

So, Yellow Jackets fans, definitely make sure to tune back in in November. Probably even before the 20th, I'm sure you guys will do another kind of recap episode and talk about trailers and talk about things. So we will in the build-up to the premiere, we'll we'll have some stuff out on that show for you to listen to.

Probably me, Penny, and Wendy will do our breakdown of things, maybe, because not everyone likes to watch trailers, so probably the three of us will do something. And then I think they're gonna cover a different show. Uh uh the Lord of the Flies series that dropped on Netflix, that was really, really good. I have not seen it, and I'm not going to be on those episodes. But Jason, Cassie, and a couple others are going to cover that series on the Yellow Jackets feed.

I need to finish that. I watched the first one. It's a four-parter, and I watched the first, and then I haven't watched past that. It's different. I I won't say bad in any way, because it was just like not what I expected it to be, but it's still the story that just there's some choices that are interesting. Not bad, interesting. I was like, alright, I'm gonna get into a headspace to watch this. So I might need to get back around. Of course, yeah, I think it was like the some of the people behind uh adolescence, which was incredible. So yeah.

I think too, we're going to at some point myself, Maria, and Cassie are gonna reconvene maybe with Jason. J.A. Bayana is going to do a behind the scenes, not behind the scenes, but like a documentary talking with survivors from Society of the Snow, like that whole story with the plane crash in the Andes. He's actually doing a documentary series or a documentary movie about survivors, like talking with survivors, talking with survivors' families, talking with families of those who didn't survive. And given the effort he put into Society the Snow, I have a feeling it's going to be really well done. And so Maria Cassie and I have communicated that hey, I think we should reconvene and talk about this when it comes out. So yeah, because Maria herself actually met one of the Eduardo Straush, I believe. Yeah.

Got to talk with him for a little bit. So that's cool.

It's great for me because I realize I've found people that are as fascinated by the story as I am. And so it's great to have people that are like really into it and talk about the details and have read the books, and so it's very cool to get to have those conversations.

Sure. So yeah, a lot of great stuff out now or coming up soon that you guys can listen to. So go check those out. And of course, outside of Podcastica, of course, our good friends over at TV Podcast Industries also doing lanterns coverage over there, so you can go check out some extra there. They always do a great job with the comic booky superhero stuff. That's their kind of specialty, so definitely go check out. It is.

You know, our specialty is the creepy, the scary, the disaster, the monster verse, all of that. And theirs is really like the comic book, the Marvel, the DC, all of that.

Yeah.

It's fantastic.

We'll give that a listen as well for some lanterns coverage. And then if you want more of me and Daphne before we're back for the next episode of Run for Your Lives, then you can check us out and our friends, Jeff and Jerry, over on the Buffalo Buffalo podcast, our other show there, where we're just hanging out, being goofy, trying to make each other laugh, playing silly, stupid little games, and having a good time. It's just a hangout, friendship podcast. It's a podcast about friendship. Uh, where we learn important life lessons and it's it's very educational.

You know, it is at times. Uh it's also scary at times for me. Or at least I I feel like I'm being terrorized sometimes. But it's all in fun and happiness and friendship. You're right. Yes. It's so much fun.

So lots of great stuff for you to listen to before we come back. But then, of course, yes, next Friday we will be back with a new episode of Run for Your Lives. And Daphne, what are we doing next week?

Well, I'm excited to dive back into this franchise. When yeah, this one that I'm gonna talk about right now.

Oh, okay. Not this one, but this one.

Yeah, this one, not that one. Well, when a presidential candidate takes a stand against brutality, she becomes the target of powerful government officials determined to preserve a country's violent tradition, and she is forced into a deadly fight for survival on the streets of Washington, D.C. We are discussing James DeMonaco's 2016 film, The Purge Election Year.

Yes, back into the purge burst, if we want to call it that weird.

The franchise. I'm excited to jump back into this one. I think this was my favorite out of the five that are out. But you know, I guess it changes depending on what I feel like watching at the time, but I really like this one. I think there's a lot of messaging in it that may be hitting a little too close to home right now. So if you what I'll say is this, if you if if you're s you this may be one you want to skip if you don't like seeing or hearing similarities being discussed.

Some political commentary, maybe a little bit dynamic. Yes.

And so if that's not your jam, then maybe you want to skip it. Um, but we have a great discussion about the movie, and I'm excited to release it, and hopefully we won't piss too many people off. But if we do, I I'm not gonna apologize.

And if it is your jam, then definitely check it out, and we'd love to hear your thoughts as well for the feedback on that one next week.

Absolutely. And with that, we've reached the end of another terrifying episode of Run for Your Lives. Thanks everyone for listening. I'm Daphne.

And I'm Pate.

And if you have to run, you better run for your lives.

Bye-bye.