Run For Your Lives Podcast Episode 160: Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves

[00:00:00] You're listening to the Run For Your Lives Podcast. Hey everyone! Welcome to the show. I'm Daphne. And I'm Pake. And this is the Run For Your Lives Podcast. This episode we were talking about The Fantasy action film Dungeons and Dragons, Honor Among

[00:00:47] Thieves was written and directed by Jonathan Goldstein, John Francis Daley, John Bon Jovi, Johnny Rotten, Jonathan Goldstein, and John Francis Daley. Release March 31st 2023. Yay! So this is a relatively new one. And the reason we're doing it, I feel like this season we've delved a little more into

[00:01:11] the fantasy type realm of movies, which it actually opens a door for us to cover even more movies. Which we've already got a long list but oh well we'll just keep adding to it and picking away at it till the end of time.

[00:01:26] Yeah, this movie, I'll be frank, I'll be honest, it doesn't really fit Run For Your Lives usually that much, but I don't care because I love this movie dearly. It's one of my favorites of last year by far and any excuse to talk about it and cover

[00:01:42] it I'm gonna do it. And so we're gonna do it. I mean there's monsters, there's dragons, there's zombies, there's dead people, there's scary moments sort of. So you know what? It works! We're gonna do it. Well, you know what?

[00:01:55] Why don't you tell everyone why it resonates with you so well? Because it's a fun movie. It's funny and there's a lot of heart and it's great. Also I play D&D. Exactly. That's what I was looking for.

[00:02:08] Yeah, because I actually went and saw this in theaters when it first released with my D&D party, my campaign crew there, my D&D group. We got together and went and saw it and it was a blast. It was a lot of fun.

[00:02:23] Yeah well, I told Pake ahead of time that he's probably gonna have to drive this because for me trying to keep up with everything and the terminology and what was going on and who was what because it's not only what their name is, it's what they are.

[00:02:39] I think it's a lot for me to ingest and so I'm definitely gonna need his help. However, because I know that he plays D&D and I don't know very much about it, it's

[00:02:54] led me to a lot of questions that I have about the movie and other stuff so... I can't promise I'm gonna be able to answer everything. I'm not anywhere near master level but I have a basic understanding of a lot of things.

[00:03:14] So yeah, I don't want to be that person anyway throughout this episode where I'm just like oh in this actually here's the deal. I don't want to be just oh and then this little thing is this reference and there's this.

[00:03:26] I don't want to explain the game of D&D throughout this episode because nobody wants to hear that and then maybe a lot of people listening to this already play Dungeons and Dragons or

[00:03:34] have an idea of it and they don't want to hear me half-assed attempt to bullshit my way through some things. So we're not gonna worry about that. Now there are things I'll bring up definitely because there's so many little details and

[00:03:48] references and nods and things to the role playing game in this movie that I really nerded out about and thought were really cool and I'll talk about them but I'm not gonna sit here and try to explain every single aspect of D&D to Daphne or the listeners

[00:04:02] because nobody needs that. I do though have questions about D&D and about you playing D&D based on watching this movie. Like I'm interested in some of the things because when I was watching it the first

[00:04:20] time all I could think is huh so Paik plays this and this is how it is in the movie and how do these things translate to the campaigns and adventures that they have. Like how does this all work?

[00:04:35] My questions are not so in-depth that we're gonna go on side tangents for hours. They're just kind of fun or funny questions about things. Yeah, there's enough in this movie though that you can tell that everyone behind this

[00:04:52] movie understands D&D and knows what they're doing and there's a lot of really like care and love put into it in a lot of the small details the conversations the lines the dialogue like little nods and little jokes that like for somebody

[00:05:09] like you is probably like oh that's funny or that was an interesting choice but for somebody who plays D&D to go like oh my god they said that they they included that as a little joke because it's like I see where they're

[00:05:21] going with that and it's it's really fun. Yeah, we haven't really kicked off this podcast with our usual production notes and I feel like we can't really dive deep into things until we've gone through and gotten our boxes checked for getting through those pieces.

[00:05:43] So with that said it was filmed in Iceland and Northern Ireland as we've already said it's based on the tabletop role-playing game Dungeons & Dragons it's set in Forgotten Realms campaign setting and has no connection whatsoever to the film trilogy released between 2000 and 2012. Did you see those?

[00:06:08] I did not. Me either. It sounds like it's a good thing because apparently they were not great. Yeah. I don't know. I'll take this and be happy with it. Yeah. So this is the actual fourth film based on Dungeons & Dragons it is a reboot.

[00:06:26] John Francis Daly is familiar probably to some of you because he played Sam on the cult classic TV series Freaks and Geeks. Incidentally his character Sam was a huge fan of D&D. The story was written by Chris McKay and Michael G. Lowe.

[00:06:46] Chris McKay was in negotiations to direct however he left to do a little known film called The Tomorrow War which we covered at the beginning I think of season three. Somewhere. Somewhere back there. There. The budget was 150 million it grows 208.8 million at the box office. 134 minutes long.

[00:07:13] Take give us a synopsis. All right a charming thief and a band of unlikely adventurers embark on an epic quest to retrieve a lost relic but things go dangerously awry when they run afoul of the wrong people. Okay did you write that one or did you find that?

[00:07:31] Absolutely not. I thought you might just because this is based on something that you are pretty passionate about but I think it's a lovely synopsis peg wherever you got it whoever wrote it thank you so much.

[00:07:48] So I have a couple questions before we get started talking about this. How long have you been playing D&D? I haven't been playing that long I've probably been playing let's see my first god I don't even know my first campaign I ever played was probably

[00:08:13] trying to think so it's pre-pandemic for sure. Man I'd have to think about that. Man I don't know if I can remember exactly what... Man it's probably been 10 years at least. Yeah I mean I've probably been playing off and on for the past eight to ten years.

[00:08:35] Yeah and you have a character that you play right now because you're near the end of a campaign I know for yeah that's been going on. Yeah we're in the home stretch of the camp the current campaign I'm in which

[00:08:49] we've been doing for about three three and a half years I think at this point so wrapping it up I have to say goodbye to this character I've been playing for this period of time which I'll get into that a little bit later.

[00:09:02] I hope so because that's on my list of questions I want you to talk a little bit about Keaton and his adventures. Yeah but I think we also should dive into this movie and start talking about Edgin

[00:09:21] and his world because to me he is the main character I hope you agree. I think yeah most D&D parties don't really have a lead it's all very everyone together

[00:09:34] but I like that within this movie Edgin makes sense as the lead and here's where I get kind of D&D nerdyness a little bit because he's the Bard. The Bard?

[00:09:45] The party he's the Bard and so you know again I don't want to explain D&D too much I assume most listeners already know but but a Bard in the party plays a big role of morale

[00:09:57] a boost of everybody kind of the center of inspiration and morale and keeping the adventure going if you've got a Bard because a big part of them is inspiring other players and even themselves to greatness mostly through song but there's other like Bardic inspiration and

[00:10:15] things you know their charisma is usually very high there's a lot of great speech they're very good with people skills and so typically in a lot of ways they're you know good at planning

[00:10:26] and putting things together so Chris Pine's character of Edgin here makes a lot of sense so in a film kind of situation the Bard being the the heart the center of the team makes a lot of sense.

[00:10:38] And he does have multiple speeches in this movie and things that he says that are definitely inspiring and also explain situations that are complicated at times. I think he may not win Father of the Year but I do think his heart's in the right place.

[00:11:03] Yeah now there have been conversations of and it's because because Edgin also plays the role of a rogue a lot more too with a lot of like the sneakiness and planning and stuff again but is that like a thief?

[00:11:18] Thief is a subclass of rogue there's different kind of rogues. Thief would be a rogue but yeah so I mean being a thief also and so there's a lot of roguish archetypes to him

[00:11:29] because a lot of Bards use magic they have magic abilities as well and so they can inspire people through magical means and you know vicious mockery is literally like a big

[00:11:39] bardic kind of thing where you cast like a you know a spell behind your words that like just cripples somebody to the core with the things you say to them. You know a lot of things like that

[00:11:48] and so Edgin has no magic ability so people are like is he really a Bard but there are non-magical Bards there is a whole subclass of Bard that is a non-magical Bard that

[00:11:59] is a lot more about their hand-to-hand combat and cunning kind of mindset so if we go into like subclasses and stuff and get real nerdy which I'm not going to do but I could break down what Edgin is and how he fits that Bard type very well.

[00:12:16] I think you did a great job just kind of glossing over some of the basic information he faces some really sad things at the beginning of this story. Yeah I will say where we really like the where we first pick up the opening scene with the prison

[00:12:34] and yeah I love that because right off the top before even getting into Edgin too like it shows the humor that this movie is going to have with that scene but it fits D&D because

[00:12:47] any campaign I've ever played in it's just lots of jokes constant jokes and like that's maybe not for everybody but like any campaign I've been in my friend groups it's always like how many

[00:12:58] quips and puns and jokes can we throw in at just a breakneck speed and so I'm already like right off the front where he's like well let me give you a tour he's like that over there

[00:13:07] is the bucket that our pee freezes in and yeah that's it. I'm like yeah it sets the tone very well it's like all right that's that's what we're dealing with. Yeah but then we get to learn a

[00:13:20] little bit more because he goes to make this impassioned plea to the council to get a pardon so that he can go back to his daughter and so he kind of recounts the things that got him

[00:13:36] to where he is because it didn't start out that way. He was a good person. He was a part of the Harper's Guild he was a Harper which is very Robin Hood kind of ask you know help but not even like

[00:13:52] robbing there were not like not necessarily thieves it's the very lawful good you know helpful people and as he says he's like kind of retired of well you know nothing in return

[00:14:08] and so that thieving part of him is in there as he doesn't tell this part of the story when he's this Absolution Council but he stole from the Red Wizards to kind of grease his pockets a little

[00:14:21] bit you know help him and his family out which ended up being a horrible mistake but yeah he's just helping put away criminal evildoers and things but because of his mistake

[00:14:32] he made the Red Wizards retaliate come back and his wife Zia is killed uh his daughter Kira is safe but then because of his actions he leaves the the guild behind it's it's too much on him and

[00:14:50] more focuses on this life of a fevery uh and so he kind of leaves this uh Harper barred life behind him I guess has a little stint as a rogue uh I mean if you think about it

[00:15:05] though going back to him being a bard and being in the Harper in the Harpers I mean what better person than a musician who is in bars and gets to hear everything you get a lot of useful information

[00:15:21] to be able to take down a lot of bad people right but he gave all of that up after he lost his wife which I love that he's telling this whole backstory just the way that he goes about telling this

[00:15:36] backstory to the chancellors because backstory and motivation he's like oh yeah my backstory you know like he even calls it that you know he's like oh yeah here's my because it's one of the

[00:15:46] absolute most important things in D&D like character creation is you can't just say oh here's my character here's their name here's what they look like and I will figure it out no you've got to

[00:15:54] have a lot of personal backstory figured out where do they come from why what are their motivations what are they after what led to that point because it helps the DM or a dungeon master the

[00:16:07] person who runs the game craft the tailored stories that they're going to go towards the your party towards the individual characters a lot of things come up it's like it's kind of you know

[00:16:17] almost cliche but but not really but it happens a lot it's like oh yeah a lot of characters I've played have some uh troubled family backgrounds doesn't get along there's things that have gone on with family so of course you get further into the campaigns and family members

[00:16:31] start popping up or oh family secrets start coming to light and you can really play with those kind of things yeah well he tells this story but he keeps yeah he wants this one

[00:16:47] person to be there and he's a jarnathon jarnathon he has he he tries to stall he does all of these things the people on the council are not having it they just keep telling him to stop

[00:17:01] to jarnathon oh my goodness one of the funniest parts for me was after this scene when jarnathon does arrive and they escape and they're both screaming out the window and then he

[00:17:20] jarnathon suddenly screams to it I don't know why it made me laugh as hard as it did but it did I can't help it I love jarnathon again uh Jeff my friend and uh DM was sitting right next to me

[00:17:33] watching this in the theaters and when the whole jarnathon thing he's looking right at me because uh jarnathon is an arachakra and that's you know as he says he's like if anybody can get us out

[00:17:43] of there it's him because he is a bird uh give him a bird character a bird man bird and that's what my current character is that i'm playing in my uh campaign keten is is a arachakra and so yes going

[00:17:57] and seeing it with my dnd party yes i've made the joke it's be it's in there about a relative being a chancellor uh so uncle jarnathon might just be canon in our story now because of this movie uh

[00:18:13] I wondered if that was gonna come out yeah uh I had to do it I was like okay well I'm connecting my character to this it's like oh my great uncle jarnathon was was on a council he's a weird guy

[00:18:27] and then just it was a little just throwaway joke but yeah I've done that uh huh well before they jump out the window we find out that um the red wizards through this story the red wizards

[00:18:42] had gone after their loot because it's tracked and that's what draws them um to zea and then killing her my main point out of what I just said is that when a red wizard stabs you there is nothing that can fix it yeah and that's nothing at all

[00:19:06] except for the tablet of reawakening that's a big thing and it's throughout this movie in so many ways we'll talk about but dnd there's always workarounds it's always much like and it's completely in you know immune to everything ever except for this one specific thing like there's

[00:19:22] always a very specific work around to almost anything uh which does that take you on a lot of side quests absolutely that's why I campaigned with last three years right and it's funny

[00:19:34] because he's like we have the helm like they go on this whole side quest like this whole mission through the under dark battling a dragon or surviving a dragon and battling these undead

[00:19:44] to get this helm and then like he can't attune to it and then even when he does like there's nothing in the it was like you've gone through all this stuff and really it was pointless just getting

[00:19:52] you somewhere else like that happens so much are you saying that you have a lot of quests that are unsuccessful or lead to nothing yeah uh which is fun because either it's the dm kind

[00:20:06] of changing things around and deciding to go a different direction or uh or even just like a lot of side quests that are fun for like what they are and then it's like it might not really serve

[00:20:16] the greater story but wasn't that a fun session you know that you guys did this little like one thing that was just fun like I remember in our uh campaign right now we had this whole dungeon

[00:20:28] that took like two or three weeks to get through and all these puzzles and stuff and we got so much out of it but we couldn't figure out the one final big puzzle of it we thought we did

[00:20:37] but then we got out and we're moving on and like the thing that we had gotten this like piece of loot this uh artifact that we found it wasn't working correctly and we're like what did we do wrong

[00:20:46] and we just threw it aside and figured out a different way to do it a year year and a half later our dm is like by the way this is how you would have solved that puzzle in that dungeon

[00:20:58] like a year and a half ago and we were like oh my god that we missed we missed that and it's like yeah at this point it doesn't matter anymore we've moved on to different things but

[00:21:06] it's like he finally was like I can't believe you got all the way through that and then didn't do that last thing you needed to do so he can hold it kind of over you and it can be a

[00:21:15] running joke like uh-huh yeah yeah you missed one thing and you could have finished that and instead we went somewhere else and did other things yeah so that's that's fun uh but yeah we meet

[00:21:33] some of the other party along the way he meets up after the death of his wife he's trying to take care of his daughter he meets up with holga and then her and kira kind of bond work together on yeah

[00:21:46] they bond and then they work together on this kind of life of crime uh eventually meeting up with with forge and simon and they become this this party this group of thieves and then they meet sofina uh

[00:22:02] who sets them up on a job to steal some important artifacts she's really only after one thing uh but lure them in with things that they want as well including this tablet of reawakening

[00:22:13] to where edgand can try to bring his wife back yes uh but while stealing these things edgand triggers a trap that sets the soldiers and stuff on them and sofina uses this uh

[00:22:27] time stop spell and it seems like an accident but it was the plan from the beginning forage and sofina working together get edgand and holga and simon captured and put all the blame on them

[00:22:41] simon does manage to escape but it's all part of forage's plan that him and sofina had been working on on the side he takes the tablet promises to take care of kira but really him and sofina

[00:22:53] have built this whole side plan of him gaining all kinds of power she can give him power and money galore as long as he gives her access to a lot of people yep and this artifact that they needed

[00:23:08] to steal and he had the right people for the job to help her get this beckoning death artifact as well yes but we don't really learn about beckoning death yet yeah or who sofina really is

[00:23:21] yeah and again jarnathan you talking about him circle but yeah edgand's reason for really wanting jarnathan there so bad is again ericocra he could fly and they can use him to escape out the window which then you see the as they're like going out uh the dragonborn

[00:23:39] councilman or chancellor is just like we approved your garden anyway like which again one of those little in jokes that as dnd are like of course uh because sometimes characters like to uh complicate

[00:23:52] things and there's a lot of players doing you'll see that a lot in this movie it's like the dm may have a very simple solution in place but the players are going to do something ridiculous

[00:24:00] instead to complicate things and that's what happened here is like we have this whole plan we're going to grab the ericocra and throw him out the window and we're going to escape and it's

[00:24:07] like your story was good enough you were pardoned but uh okay that works too yeah they didn't even wait like they didn't even wait and there's i mean his story was really compelling yeah he now

[00:24:25] wants to do good things although grabbing a chancellor and jumping out the window it is not really showing that you're going to try to do the right thing yeah kind of undermines a lot

[00:24:36] of stuff yeah uh i love the casting on here though chris pine and michelle redriguez is kind of main leads at first uh they crush it i mean the whole cast does honestly i'll talk a lot about

[00:24:49] everyone but as we get a lot of them at the beginning yeah just just great yeah they have a great like platonic chemistry between them i think it they they just vibrate really well together

[00:25:08] and i was grateful that we didn't get some sort of hint of a romance like it was kept left alone it's like shut down all the time yeah like you know somebody's like oh drinks for you and your wife

[00:25:19] and they're both like uh no uh uh or even he's just like she comes up with a plan he's like i could kiss you try it love it yeah yeah they're very they're a great like yeah just companion bonded

[00:25:37] like a brother sister relationship and it's it's really it's really cool i mean because they would do anything for each other to a point i mean i feel like they would do anything for each other and in the end

[00:25:53] edgind does do something for her and we'll get to that yeah yeah yeah um because we're kind of breaking this up by character as we usually do i'm about to start skipping all a bunch of stuff

[00:26:06] when we're just dealing with edgind because like there's a lot of specific character we're going to introduce different characters and a lot of things in the plans come down to specific characters and their abilities which is why you have a good party of a balance you

[00:26:19] don't want a lot of the same class a lot of the same things in parties that's why this works you have your bar do you have your sorcerer you have your druid you have your barbarian

[00:26:27] they all play their role and they all like can step up and do what they need to do better than anybody else can and they they do that really well here so we'll get to those characters

[00:26:37] and their individual strengths but yeah they're coming up with this plan go get kira which they just kind of run across like oh forge is running neverwinter so that makes that easy

[00:26:48] a lot of balder's gate references which was fun um yeah so they go up to to the castle and neverwinter find forge and kira which kira played by clloe colman a little bit of a

[00:27:02] run for your lives history she's been on this she hasn't been on this podcast but uh been talked about on this podcast yeah she can sort of recently yes she was uh naveen in the movie

[00:27:15] 65 yep and she's been in a number of other things that i really like yeah she's she's really talented and i knew when i was watching it because i didn't pay so much attention to the cast

[00:27:28] but when she popped up on the screen it's like oh my gosh it's naveen she's we just you know we just covered 65 not that long ago yeah but she's not the only one that we've had or discussed on this podcast before right michelle rodriguez right yeah yeah because

[00:27:46] she was battalos and alayna santos yep battalos angeles but uh yeah like i said we're gonna jump around a lot because then you know they gotta put this together they they get to forge

[00:28:00] realize forage has turned on them but i'll talk about forge specifically so they've got to put a whole new plan together how do we get kira back mm-hmm and it leads to them finding and

[00:28:10] building the party getting simon getting dorik we'll talk about them uh but then the last piece that they need to get this helm and put the plan together of course leads them to zank

[00:28:24] talk about him as well uh which the way they get to him is this speaking with the dead scene i loved that so much i love it a lot like for some reason i have it more under simon because

[00:28:36] it's like his kind of his idea and his his ability and yeah stuff that he's got that leads them to there but but yeah the speaking to the dead scene which we can talk about it now or we can save it

[00:28:49] um let's talk about it now because it's too fun and you've already like started talking about it anyway so let's just continue on it yeah yeah so let me find where my notes are on that so uh

[00:29:01] yeah simon which i guess he has a bag of holding it's very small like notice thing because he's digging around to find this token it was clearly a bag of holding he was looking in which is

[00:29:10] just a fun little nod dnd thing uh but you know because he just reaches in and finds what he's looking for this deathly token which leads to just one of my favorite bits of this whole movie

[00:29:25] plays off of dnd stuff the arbitrary nature of magical items that they all have very strict rules about how they can be used uh like the five questions thing it's like that's just how it

[00:29:36] works like don't worry about it that's just the rules like and there's so many things like that where it's like but why don't ask why just don't just roll with it um they kind of go crazy though

[00:29:47] at first when edgin is asking the questions with the first person they brought back and he's just inadvertently asking questions without realizing it and then it's over it's the best yeah it's

[00:30:00] the best comedic writing because i have it down four more questions right yes no that wasn't for you did that count as a question yes damn it only answer when i talk to you okay yes and then Simon

[00:30:16] goes why did you say okay at the end of that i didn't boom he's gone like that's five questions kills me it's so funny and they're trying to put together a story of where this helmet might be

[00:30:28] and so they're bringing back specific people who were at this battle where the helmet was last yeah it's just going corpse to corpse to find out where this helm of disjunction ended up

[00:30:39] it's like i got a name from this person now we gotta go find that one now i gotta find that no i'm spen then's my brother oh my god you know i mean one fell and hit his head on the bathtub

[00:30:51] it's just like okay you learn how they all die and some of it is just ridiculous but they can only tell you the story up to when they died and so that's why they were having

[00:31:03] to go from grave to grave to grave to continue the path of where this helmet is yeah it's so funny and then having to ask three random questions to finish the five question rule so that these

[00:31:16] corpse can return to rest do you like cats what's your favorite book it's so good and then of course the last corpse they still left him with four questions which

[00:31:27] i felt bad for him yeah he just wanted to go back to sleep yeah oh it's so funny uh i love that but yeah back with edgen because that's that scene leads to them learning about finally okay what happened

[00:31:40] to this helm and it's like okay this this paladin named zank who's got a thing in background he is you know so edgen doesn't want to trust him but of course everybody's like no i've heard tales of

[00:31:51] which is a funny thing again it's just like one person be like no and everybody else is like let's just get on with the campaign clearly they're trying to lead us towards this so let's just go with

[00:32:03] yeah it's like no he's a great guy i'm sure let's let's go find him uh and this this thing paladin he left the he left fey the land of fey after the cult of sastan took over and so now he's fighting for good he's with the harpers

[00:32:20] um so ed's not super happy because he's like oh great theans which are the red wizards or theans you know they come from this so he's like great theans and harpers two groups that i have not great

[00:32:32] history with and memories of sounds like the perfect place for me to go yeah you could tell that he definitely does not want to get mixed up in all of that so he doesn't know how much

[00:32:44] bad blood there is because he went in was basically robbing their vaults or you know pile of treasure yeah i mean that's the the harpers in him don't get along too well because yeah when he got caught

[00:32:59] and sent to prison was stealing from a harper stronghold so it's which he was supposed to be a part of or he was a part of so yeah he's not in the best place but zinc they meet up with him

[00:33:12] we get all of the backstory to to sas tam and and the cult of the theans and talk about that at some point but just ed's sassiness towards zank is so funny to me just the whole time

[00:33:28] the whole time he's just gonna give him shit every chance he gets oh great a history lesson here's it you know yeah oh yeah is that what you think sank uh is that what you find um or even just

[00:33:40] the like how trust him he's got some of his sleeve i assure you i've got nothing up my sleeves but my arms how do you hear me i can hear a lot of stuff i hate you uh for some reason i think that whole

[00:33:54] nothing up my sleeves but my arms is going to become a running joke on this podcast we cover future movies i'm not sure why but i've just yeah i'd be down for it it's fun it's a great line

[00:34:06] uh and then they go into the under dark that's where they're at a wonderful place to be um for sure uh the intellect of ours just trotting right past them is such a funny little uh gag you know well

[00:34:22] that's a little hurtful the higher somebody's intelligence the more of a threat that these are to them do do do do well they look like little brains on legs yeah that's what they are and

[00:34:34] yeah they they find high intelligent uh victims and then latch on and suck their brain suck yeah and take your just yeah they kill you they take yeah that they latch on to your intelligence

[00:34:47] and then pull kind of your brain um so it is a fun joke for them to just like be careful and then they just walk right on past like you had nothing here for us no brains no knowledge no

[00:35:00] intelligence no need to stay yeah of course it is dungeons and dragons so we need a dragon while we're down here in the under dark as well this dragon in particular big old yeah big old chunky boy uh

[00:35:17] the name of thimber child yes and he's made that his home like that's his home that's where he's relocated to so you get the idea that that dragon has been around and they know who he is he's

[00:35:31] got a name and everything and he looks like he's been around he looks like he's been feeding very well yeah he's doing well in the under dark uh lots of adventurers to come down and uh enjoy the

[00:35:44] snacks yeah i'm not sure how he was flying at all he was a chunky monkey yeah we hung this city we hung this city on rocks and a rolling dragon um and then he's gonna take the whole hanging city down because he's a big old hungry klutz yep

[00:36:09] he is a bull in a china shop that is for sure yeah so it's what you know there's the fey and assassins that are down there but again i've got notes about zank and talking with them uh

[00:36:23] so the dragon cornering our our group our heroes our party but that's where we see edgen really showing off his his plan making skills this leadership thing where he's like quickly adaptive realizing okay here's the situation where that's salt water which means we're at the bottom

[00:36:41] of the the ocean we can go up and he's thinking back okay what are everybody's skills holga's great it's smacking things uh you know simon's got got his his abilities putting together things so he

[00:36:54] comes up with this this plan and i like that zank looks at him he's like what are you looking at he goes a harper shaking off his slumber uh which edgen yes it gets under his skin he's like oh

[00:37:06] shut up but you know like that's that's meaningful that's important zank sees something in him that he's capable of being the like man he used to be he just lost his way for a while

[00:37:18] and yeah he puts the team's strengths together so they can get out of the underdark and then you see him continue even when they're on the beach after that and simon is struggling and

[00:37:28] failing to attune and the plan is falling apart at their feet and again that bard role that inspire that late he he fills it you know he admits he's the champion of failures but

[00:37:42] but he is good at inspiring and he admits his own failures the truth about his wife's death and what all this means to him and kind of even speaking to each other you know all

[00:37:52] the other members specific ideals and plans and hopes and he's able to bring them together to join him again and re rally the troops you know get that morale back up yeah even if there

[00:38:06] wasn't a place for simon to sit yeah i love that's another crate line i'd sit down but there's no more room on the rock yeah i was afraid that the group was going to break up

[00:38:16] because it looked like people had just realized that they were not going to be able to do what they wanted to do they were all you know wanting similar outcomes but just not able you know just feeling

[00:38:32] like all was lost like yeah it was not going to work because simon couldn't attune and they were just you know for a little bit they stopped believing in edkin a little bit you know i feel

[00:38:45] like he kept coming up with plans which is what his role is but they just weren't believing in it what what is your role in this group i make plans but you've already made the plan so what what

[00:38:59] further point do you have well if the plan fails i can come up with a new plan so you make plans that fail yep yep great line i loved that whole scene we have not even talked about her yet

[00:39:15] right uh but yeah but they're they're planning which holga comes up with the plan which i love but you get this sequence of the team putting a portal painting into a wagon so that it can be

[00:39:28] taken to the the castle and put in the treasure vault it's the whole sequence of seeing them pull this plan off is very creative and very fun and you see everybody playing together so like

[00:39:42] visually in a movie it's like really fun you see everybody working together there's some humor involved there's some stakes there's yeah uh some great teamwork but also just as a dnd player you're

[00:39:52] like oh yeah no this is classic like it's a big part of dnd is thinking outside the box you get brought together okay we've got to make x y z happen and here's the tools we have at our

[00:40:03] disposal figure it out like we're gonna have to like we're gonna have to do something weird we're gonna have to do something different you know but but we configure something out and so you see

[00:40:13] them pulling off some kind of crazy thing like this and it working out and those are always great moments playing dnd is when you come up with some ridiculous plan like this and then it works and

[00:40:21] you're like hell yes so you get to use your imagination a lot oh yeah oh yeah but there have to be parameters oh yeah i mean there's parameters there's rules as far as what things you can do

[00:40:33] but i mean here you see we've established okay well the portals work this way we can do this and that's what's like this plan makes sense you can do this so it's like is it something that most people

[00:40:45] would think of doing absolutely not but if you can think of it you can try it let's see how you do which yeah i i love that uh they get the the painting in they go to the castle

[00:40:58] to use that to get into the vault uh baroness torbo is there one of the uh people on the council the absolution council she's there and she recognizes edgand so it's like uh oh and then

[00:41:17] leads the guards to uh them never nothing really ever comes of it because she leads them to to where dorik was and she has managed to accomplish her goal and worm right on through

[00:41:29] by the time they get up there but of course she does get caught after that so maybe you know she definitely plays a part in it but as i'm trying to put these these things together

[00:41:40] again that bardic inspiration definitely something that is a thing a bard is good at doing it's it's literally it's what it's called is i'm gonna i'm gonna use or i'm gonna cast bardic inspiration and he definitely does that with simon that's what that speech was

[00:41:54] you are your strongest when you think you're at your weakest really gives him that inspiration that he needs to to accomplish that goal helps add a little advantage to his roles right uh yes of course the the projection uh scene again i have that

[00:42:14] with simon there's a lot of stuff i have with simon that's like him playing a part in like doing these things and having the well he's the sorcerer yeah but it doesn't go as planned well i'm sure

[00:42:26] we'll get there so now the soldiers are chasing our team through the castle leads to some fights leads to some things edgand again has the rogue parts of him in there still a little bit uh

[00:42:39] because he doesn't fight them as much as just roll away uh it was definitely a nat 20 stealth role on those stairs uh as he just like hides around the corner and they just run right past

[00:42:50] he's like how did i manage to stay out of sight yeah i'm here in the theater going like well that was a nat 20 critical fit the critical hit the critical pass he that was the best

[00:43:00] stealth role he could have ever imagined uh i really think that there's you and your friends should have done like some sort of commentary track to go with this movie because

[00:43:11] i bet it would have been funny uh it's like the best stealth role ever on the stairs good for edgand uh still gets caught anyway at the end of all this by sofina and her uh black tentacles

[00:43:29] and forge comes in edgand is able to convince him to put the group into the high sun games in the arena instead of being killed right away uh which the entire arena set it's just it's a cool

[00:43:44] way for for the movie to show off some real classic d&d monsters and things that like how else do we fit this in the story it's like oh here we go the game the arena the maze here's where we

[00:43:54] just put some like d&d like staples in that people go oh that's that's what that is and there's a lot of fun easter eggs in there and including you see the other group there's two other groups

[00:44:05] that are in the arena with them you mean the one that was in the cage at the end so the one in the cage at the end that is the 1980 d&d cartoon group that's who that was and it's such a fun not

[00:44:18] i don't remember a lot from that cartoon but i do remember yeah but yeah the arena maze was just an entire sequence for me to like do the leonardo de caprio thing where i'm just pointing at the

[00:44:28] screen yelling out things that i recognize i'm like it's a displacer beast oh my god oh there's the gelatinous cube like that's yeah it was you nerded out big time oh yeah just get all of those things that are that are in there which is fun panthe displacer

[00:44:45] beast was really cool and which one was that pig that is the uh it looks like a giant like black panther with like six legs and it's got the little tentacle things that can project a

[00:44:57] copy of itself to okay it's crazy i've faced one of those before i'm like they're not fun but um yeah so watching you're like you know exactly what that is you're like oh shit here we go uh the mimic

[00:45:11] was so much fun which is the treasure chest that's not actually a treasure chest but just a big old monster with teeth pretending to be a treasure chest come across so many of those we fought

[00:45:21] recently in our campaign we fought a tree that was a mimic it was like a tree house we went inside and we were like oh it's like a place to stay and there's beds and there's stuff and then we

[00:45:31] realized oh shit we're inside a mimic it was pretty cool uh and then yeah the gelatinous cube those are fun which was helpful yeah very helpful to our party of people

[00:45:51] yeah uh like the cartoon dnd characters uh when they're in the cage at the end their faces when edkin goes like wait no this isn't the way out they're like yeah it is like no everybody in this

[00:46:01] cage is gonna end up dead and like do you see their faces like yeah what and then i love because then uh dorik is like i've got an idea follow me and it's very faint luckily because i watched it the

[00:46:11] first time with captions on so i saw it you one of those adventures one of those like cartoon dnd characters in the cage you can hear them faintly yell as they're running away go what's

[00:46:20] your idea it's like well they didn't let them out of the cage like they left them there so i mean they want to be in the cage kind of that moves to the next to the next phase yeah

[00:46:36] but then yeah this egg is like we're not going to survive the entire like round after round after round it's like we've got to find a way to get out of yeah dorik gives them some

[00:46:46] information that proves very helpful to getting them out which is that there's a boat being you know filled with treasure basically yeah under the arena so that's where to go

[00:47:01] under the arena they find a good way to do that uh so yeah the party has retrieved kira after this this face off with with forage uh again it's more of a holga thing because her and her potatoes

[00:47:17] right i love holga she's so fantastic yeah so they've got kira they've got the loot you know forage is taking care of they're on the boat sailing off away from neverwinter

[00:47:32] the end but it isn't wait yeah no uh because yeah syphina is up to no good and up to some stuff she's got this uh city of neverwinter filled to the brim in this arena ready to

[00:47:49] unleash the beckoning death to to create a whole new army for sas tan so the heroes must be just that they must be heroes so it's time to turn it around and go back

[00:48:03] yep because agon had returned or connected with that part of himself that was helpful and does good things and wants to help you know be there for people and and do the right thing and so

[00:48:20] you saw the look on his face he knew they had to go back and then back to his conversation was zank where at the time he didn't really mean it but zank knew that he would end up meaning it

[00:48:31] this paladin has a lot of intuition on people he can really read you know high wisdom uh for sure his his his wisdom stats are way out there paladins usually are and and so he makes this half fast promise it becomes a real promise where he's like so

[00:48:52] what are you gonna do with all the treasure when you get it from neverwinter and he's like oh well just redistribute it back to the the people of neverwinter and now he's like well i did promise

[00:49:00] him that so uh let's do exactly that uh which is fun you know forge yelling at the security get that boat what are we doing and then the boat just crashes right back on the top up there

[00:49:12] and he goes inside to see that we've used that hither thither staff these portals again to take all the treasure out of the ship and pour it out of the mouth uh of forage his giant face

[00:49:25] giant air balloon above the the stadium uh which also pulls the people out of the arena and saves them from the beckoning death as well yeah it was a plan that had multiple purposes

[00:49:40] and was successful on all fronts yeah it was to get people away from syphina out of that arena and away from what was coming because the beckoning death which we'll talk about when we talk about zank is nothing to fuck around with right uh so yeah they've ruined

[00:50:07] forges plans they've ruined syphina's plans and so we get this big final battle with syphina and our group she's the big bad of this this session this campaign this part of the story

[00:50:20] um and it was it was awesome she comes in uses meteor uh she animates the stone dragon or the metal you know there's this statue of the dragon um and it's just a really cool scene

[00:50:34] for everybody to highlight their combat skills and what they're strong at and throughout this it's got such a really cool sequence that i nerd out about way way too much and some people might not realize this uh even dnd fans as they watch this

[00:50:50] i didn't know about it the first time i watched it and then somebody mentioned it and so i rewatched it and paid very close attention to the scene i was like oh my god that's incredible

[00:50:59] um so when everyone is fighting syphina at the same time in fast succession it's such a cool sequence because in the game of dnd a turn in combat so a turn is you know everybody rolls their dice for initiative and you have initiative bonuses and stuff but

[00:51:15] basically your um initiative is what order you go in because it's like turn-based combat so you decide by who rolls highest with their bonuses whatever whatever what turn people take their attacks and stuff in and even the people you're fighting the

[00:51:33] enemies they roll initiative right in with you so it's all decided and a turn is when everybody has gone and so that can take depending on how many people are playing how many enemies

[00:51:44] you're facing a turn can take 10 minutes but in game a turn is about six seconds so it's like bam bam bam bam bam and each person monster whatever is going in order of initiative

[00:51:58] through six seconds of game time so in this scene when they're all fighting her really fast you can count roughly six seconds one two three a number of times over and as you're doing it you can see

[00:52:10] everybody getting their move in within a six second basis in a specific order and it goes a couple of times and I thought that was really cool because you're watching a turn-based combat in

[00:52:21] real time if it was in D&D where it only takes six seconds to doon doon doon doon doon doon doon doon doon and I'm just like that's that's really cool that they put that thought and like really

[00:52:33] took the effort to do that and show that in this movie and so based on that initiative looks like to me possibly Edgen, Sofina, Holga, Simon, Dork that was the initiative order

[00:52:45] that was worth in that combat. I wondered if there were those types of connections in this movie because I know that D&D has to do with dice and your characters and campaigns and missions and

[00:52:59] side quests and all of that but I wondered if they found a way to connect some of those things that might take more time in the game to bringing it to life in the movie. Yeah and so as a

[00:53:12] D&D player that's the nerdiest thing but it's so cool there's like they literally took the time to have a round a turn of combat where everybody gets a hit in take six seconds and do it a

[00:53:23] couple times to show this like turns of combat and everybody attacked in the same order each time and it was like the thought that goes into that blows my mind because they knew someone

[00:53:38] was going to be like you they knew someone like you was going to be watching and they wanted to make sure that they put those little things in there for you. Yeah it's insane uh then I have a

[00:53:51] random note in here that's just like thrown in because I just had a thought while watching I was like oh here's like our party like break it down D&D style like and even outside the party

[00:53:59] like the main characters but it's like if you want to know okay what like race and like class what do they fit like what character. Who are they yeah so mostly human and this movie they don't

[00:54:13] play around too much with other races you see some a couple of you know places even like in the like beginning again there's like a snake person in one of the cells the UNT but like there's

[00:54:25] a lot of different races and stuff but like for the main characters they're like they're mostly all human you know like it's easy to do that way but they all have their different classes so again Edgen a human bard Holga is a human barbarian Zank a human paladin

[00:54:42] he does live longer than most humans because he's been affected by this feyon curse but he's still technically human um Simon is a half elf sorcerer Doric a tiefling druid forge a human rogue Kira a human rogue uh she fits more the rogue she uses the uh

[00:55:05] you know greater invisibility a lot um and then sofina undead human uh wizard but yeah yeah again i think that you you guys should have been doing a commentary track with all of this information because i think it's i think it's really cool

[00:55:29] yeah it's i love this movie so much i literally while watching it for my second time of this podcast prep today i went ahead and just ordered it on blu ray

[00:55:40] with the special like you know features and stuff of course you did because i was like no i need to like even dive into this and just have it in my collection because it's it's so good uh

[00:55:51] but yeah to kind of wrap up the story at least with edgand and then we'll go back and circle back to a lot of different characters and specifics but after this battle with sofina

[00:56:00] everything's taken care of um edgand still isn't going to return to the harpers he said i have my people uh see dork and simon deciding to to give give love a chance right uh one more time

[00:56:15] that was cute that was cute i love that zank is the one to take forge in under arrest uh course he's like the harper paladin of course he's the one that's gonna hunt down forage be

[00:56:27] like all right now yeah that was the time i've been wanting to do this forever now i get to do it yeah neverwinter is returned to its previous ruler after sofina's spell on him has gone and he

[00:56:41] grants our party uh they're pardoned officially they're not on the run from the law anymore they are the heroes of neverwinter uh the druids the emerald enclave get their land back and it's protected

[00:56:55] uh and then it's all like i love that it's this is narrated and told by forge as he's imprisoned in his own absolution meeting uh which yeah he's played it pleading the case like yeah you know

[00:57:09] the things that i did may have been unsavory but like look didn't it bring on a renaissance of the city so you gotta give me credit for that uh it's like and really you know i looked inside

[00:57:20] i realized it all started with my mom and it's it's i love the just like yeah no we don't care denied we're not we're gonna start blaming your mom we know we're no we're done with this

[00:57:31] and the jarnathan escape plan does not work for for forge no because they ripped up that hole so no one can get out jarnathan uh that was quite funny i thought it was a fun way to end

[00:57:48] the movie with him it was story and trying to escape the same way and having it fail was yeah it was perfect yeah it closed out great and honestly i hope to god i truly hope that there

[00:58:04] are more sequels and a continuation of this story i am fully in after this one for a whole saga of films in the dungeons and dragons you know story you know whatever because they can be dungeon

[00:58:19] dragons whatever this is on among thieves let's give it a bunch of different subtitles and make a whole saga out of it i'm there because i thought this was brilliant um and there's

[00:58:31] still a lot to tell sas tam is still out there there's a lot of adventure left to be had uh so who knows where they can go with it yeah i mean it's just a roll of the dice right

[00:58:44] yeah of course there is a mid-credits scene if you stuck around to see that i did it's quick but it's it's fun uh the corpse in the graveyard that they left with the one more question is still

[00:58:55] out there just begging for anyone to come by and ask him one more question uh yeah i'm afraid that he would terrify anyone who came into that graveyard right they wouldn't ask him a question they'd be running in the other direction

[00:59:11] to get away because it's like oh i don't think i want to talk to you it's very scared merely startled i thought it was cool how different each of the the dead in the coffins looked like

[00:59:28] one still had an arrow through his eye and others they were all at the same level of decomposition but they didn't just like dress the same guy up and put him in different coffins they were they all had a more unique look a more personalized look

[00:59:48] it's that good stuff but yeah so we've got to go over the movie with edgind but again i skipped over so many important things because i want to focus on the strengths and importance of each

[00:59:57] character so you have to go to holga next you have to holga's holga's next holga doesn't like to be bothered while eating her potatoes no she has a relationship with potatoes yeah uh the potatoes and she's a total badass which yeah she's the barbarian of the group so

[01:00:19] she can easily fight her way out of a number of guards gets a sweet new axe in the process and learns how to take care of it yeah also i will say again with edgind that loot is sturdy

[01:00:35] how many heads can you bash into that thing and it still plays just fine yeah it's got to be some magic enchantment on that thing for sure to protect it my goodness i thought it should have been broken about 30 times right um so again it's gonna feel like

[01:00:52] we're skipping over a lot but we've talked about a lot already uh with holga stopping in to see her ex-husband a halfling named marlerman uh which holy crap bradley cooper was just what a great surprise fun cameo uh and he's with another barbarian woman now so clearly he

[01:01:10] has a type and then when you're being given the uh the honor of the heroes of never winter and it's another halfling that presents her like metal to her and you see her kind of give him a certain

[01:01:21] look like she's got a type too yeah she does she likes the halflings i think she likes a man or she likes a halfling because she can pick them up and carry him wherever she wants right

[01:01:36] she likes it uh now i will say she definitely has low charisma stats um which for a bar a barbarian makes perfect sense they usually don't have the best charisma uh they just rush in and smash

[01:01:51] things up and don't really have the people skills to talk now she does pretty well she got some lucky rolls on asking the guy about his acts and and buying some time there but most of the

[01:02:03] rest of the movie she's just always saying the wrong thing uh which is a fun like character trait you know it's like and that's why we abandoned her it's like oh we're gonna go steal things it's

[01:02:12] like you gotta use you gotta have more tact than that but it fits her character the barbarian low charisma yeah uh i thought she was great i love that she was like uh she was a force of

[01:02:24] nature when it came to things that they brought that guy or beast to their jail cell and she only took so much of his foolishness before she just basically took him out she wasn't going

[01:02:41] to deal with him he was trying to come on to her or take her and she was having none of it mm-hmm yeah strength just high as hell all the time yeah constant strength rolls her strength

[01:02:55] she's great can't pass a persuasion check to save her life that's okay she gets by in other ways peak yeah uh another great classic dnd like player conversation that she brings up while

[01:03:11] they're in the underdark and the bridge has collapsed and she goes i have a rope maybe i could tie the axe to it and so he was like that's that conversation always comes up when you're

[01:03:23] trying to figure things out the rope everybody's got rope in their bag and rope is always an option rarely a good one but always an option why is it not a good option it just because with rope then

[01:03:34] comes your accurate accuracy of well can you use the rope well especially if you're tying something to it do you have the strength to hold yourself up on the rope or pull others

[01:03:42] with her there's just so many other roles and checks that come with trying to use a rope for something it's you might as well not have the rope it's last ditch effort kind of thing

[01:03:53] or in the case of this movie then the dm is like fuck it the staff also is a hither thither you can get across that way whatever uh you know i liked that though i thought that was clever

[01:04:08] yeah because that's what because when simon triggers i'm skipping ahead with the simon note but yeah because talking about that because he triggers that bridge collapse and in that watching it you're like zenks face is the dm when he's looking at him like fucking really

[01:04:28] it's like i spent all this time on this complex puzzle and you just ruined it fine fuck it here's a magical item you have just go across i'm done you know like that does that

[01:04:39] happen in your games does jeff get that face not we will see something we're like we'll have an idea like we could do this and i was like but that would ruin all the work that he just put into

[01:04:50] this and he's like you can and we're like no you have respect for your dm you have more respect for your dm than to just do that yeah but yeah luckily the the staff that she did take from

[01:05:08] marlinman is this hither thither staff and so that's thinking with portals um which came in very handy when they were in the underground oh yeah uh yeah holga's great the she comes up with the genius

[01:05:23] plan of putting the portal on the painting on some treasure to get access to the vault that was her yeah that's good planning barbarian usually doesn't come up with those good ideas but

[01:05:33] well you said you said that she that she has barbarian she wouldn't but she did sometimes you do yeah they're branching out thinking for themselves yeah uh then she has in the forge not not the

[01:05:50] character forge but the forge where they make weapons in his castle forges forge the forge forge uh she has another great battle like fight scene with the soldiers and stuff in there

[01:06:02] she winds up with like the like molten like rock on the axe the molten steel on there and the longbow attack is really cool reaching up and grabbing it and then like

[01:06:14] slingshotting it into the faces of the soldiers just great i thought it was great even back when she and edgen were supposed to be beheaded and she actually gets that her weapon at that point

[01:06:30] but the fact that he's just messing around try edgen's trying to get his hands free we really got him now and she's just kicking everybody's ass yep mm-hmm she that that she she decided to uh

[01:06:46] to use rage using rage is rage so rage is a thing yeah it's usually uh something that a barbarian can do is like i'm gonna go ahead and uh use rage that's where they kind of buff up their

[01:07:00] strength and attack scores there you know it it hinders them in some ways but uh they just kind of just go in and start whooping ass and that's definitely what she did that it was fantastic i loved all of her action scenes i loved watching her take charge

[01:07:20] and just kind of run over her the people she was facing i just felt like she could hold her own and you didn't have to worry about it at all yeah and i mentioned it earlier she is the one

[01:07:33] that saves kira from forge with the greatest weapon of all a potato never underestimate the power of a potato it's very true that t-shirt yeah it sure yeah the kind of to wrap up with her uh

[01:07:55] yes during this big final battle with sofina we see that she is stabbed by sofina's blade this red wizards blade that again we've talked about the effects are completely immune to all magic except for the one very specific thing the tablet of reawakening which we just so

[01:08:10] happened to have very dnd uh and it's the same fate that edgins wife zia had faced and that leads edgind to have this decision to make because he is in possession of the tablet can only use it once

[01:08:24] because again arbitrary rules of magical artifacts in the game of dnd very strict rules that because i said so uh and you know we get the flashbacks and stuff where you know holga has been there

[01:08:40] for kira her whole life and he just he knows it's the right thing to do and even has this kind of message from leg zia knowing it's the right thing to do the dragonfly throughout the movie kind of

[01:08:49] representative of her uh and then even thinking back to his conversation with zank where he mentions to him kind of off the cuff a little bit like you know it's been a while since she's gone

[01:09:00] you know maybe wherever she is now do you really want to pull her back from there you know maybe consider that that what's best for her at this point yeah years later and so he makes

[01:09:11] the decision to save holga and do i get real teary and emotional during this part every single time i watch the movie no matter how many times i've seen it and that i know how it's gonna end

[01:09:22] absolutely 100 percent gets me every time i did not expect to tear up in this movie and that scene really got me just because you could tell that he i mean the journey he had been on

[01:09:41] throughout this entire movie was to bring zia back bring kira's mother back bring his wife back and then he had to realize that i mean if you think about it the only mother figure

[01:09:59] that kira has ever known is holga and that's who she's connected with and you see that right from the beginning when they arrive at forges castle to try to come in and take kira in the

[01:10:16] first place kira goes straight to holga she's so happy to see her and they have this very sweet relationship and i'm sure it was gut-wrenching for him to do that because he's just been so focused on

[01:10:35] getting zia back but he made the right decision yeah you know and i liked what he said about them they're his family not the harpers he doesn't want to go back to that because he's got his family now

[01:10:52] yeah your family are the friends you made along the way so yeah holga so who's next who do you want to talk about next if you don't have anything more on her then uh i would go to simon omar the world's greatest sorcerer uh no franklin his name

[01:11:16] is franklin pake justice smith of course played i love i love justice smith also another movie that doesn't fit really at all but we should cover it just because i want to have mentioned it so many

[01:11:27] times starring justice smith still gotta do detective pikachu at some time you said that so many times yeah that's that's a fun one we should do uh i love justice smith a lot he's great in a lot of

[01:11:40] different movies yes drastic world falling kingdom detective pikachu this movie here uh also video games he's in the quarry he's a big part of the quarry the the super massive video game and i love

[01:11:52] him in that too our group has talked about playing that game as a group like having someone streaming and we all be part of like decisions and things yeah i think that could be fun yeah so i have a lot

[01:12:05] of notes about simon i like the character simon and then is it partially because justice smith is just a favorite of mine sure uh but yeah so when we pick up on simon he's still thieving in his own

[01:12:17] little badly performative way uh you know i it was working until they showed up right uh i like that he has this fancy version of a spell component pouch that's new for the movie because

[01:12:31] usually it's just like a little pouch and you just pull a random spell out he's a wild magic sorcerer he mentions that about wild magic which means uh basically i have a note yeah it's what it sounds

[01:12:43] like there's certain items curses situations or even just his school of magic he is a wild magic sorcerer which means everything he does comes with a risk of trying to do one thing and then something completely different happens instead um sometimes it's funny sometimes it's

[01:13:03] helpful sometimes it's really bad uh you just never know what you're getting and so a lot of times with wild magic it's it's just like a component pouch you just kind of grab what you

[01:13:13] can and hope for the best you hope you know oh because he's even going shield shield shield and then he casts it and it's like and it's reverse gravity okay you know uh

[01:13:24] which is fun but instead of just a pouch they made something new for this movie and is it because it looks cool sure and also it's marketable because they've made it to where you can actually buy

[01:13:34] simon's uh dispenser spell dispenser that little thing that he spins that wheel which is cool um i thought that was really neat i didn't know that's what it was called but i thought it was cool yes it was like a spell component dispenser it's really fun uh

[01:13:51] so with magic you know cantrips are stuff that you don't need spells like you use spell slots so you don't need components so you don't need stuff for a cantrip is just a magical ability

[01:14:03] that a sorcerer or wizard or something has that they can use at any time they want the small spells like like the flame or the smell of grass and things like that but then yeah the bigger

[01:14:14] spells of course the shield or reverse gravity or things like that those require more component and time and energy that you can only do them a certain amount of times within a certain amount

[01:14:27] of time you know yeah uh and throughout all of this in the years he's had to hone this craft he's still not great at his sorcery well he hasn't had edgen and the others to like encourage him

[01:14:42] especially edgen because i feel like in this in his story arc in this movie edgen really played a role in continuing to push him to reach where he needed to be because by the time we see

[01:14:55] simon at the end he's a much more confident person than what we saw at the beginning but it's it's not like 100 confidence there's still some vulnerability there like there's still some question but he seems much more in control of everything yeah um course meeting with him

[01:15:22] it helps continue to build the party they need a druid you know someone who can use wild shape infiltrate the castle turn into a mouse or a deer to blend in with all the other

[01:15:32] deer in the castle uh or a cat or a hawk so many things yeah simon simon knows somebody dorik and we'll talk about her a little bit but uh through him that's where they get led there uh

[01:15:48] after meeting up with dorik and stuff i love that they had this conversation at the emerald enclave kind of over the campfire whatever uh where he has a whole bit about you know magic

[01:15:56] doesn't solve everything which is is funny because he's like oh just magic our way out of this it's like yeah magic doesn't solve everything except there are all so many different exceptions

[01:16:09] and magical items in the world of dnd that when the right specifics line up like just about anything is possible uh yeah it's a lot like i said i think it's a lot of using your imagination

[01:16:23] within the parameters that you have yeah yeah and it becomes like a little in-joke in the movie about you know magic items just so happening to be what's needed for a very specific task or

[01:16:35] like you know he's like it's like oh but we can't speak to them he's like oh i actually have this token or she's like you know how are you gonna get across now she's like oh i have this staff

[01:16:44] and it's like don't you know what that is and there's all these little jokes of just like the backstory or things that just happen to reveal a very key important piece of information at the last second like who's this same guy oh yeah we actually all know

[01:16:57] about him and we know exactly where he is like it's very yeah he's not some out there person that no one knows it's he's well known and even if adkin doesn't want to deal with him

[01:17:12] they're gonna do it anyway because the point as always is to get to the end and the end result is getting Kira back and then yeah we've talked about the uh the graveyard talked about the bridge those are big simon moments uh

[01:17:30] like after they escape from the underdark when he's preparing to a tune with the helm you can see zank just walking away far in the background still just see him walking off down

[01:17:41] the beach it's just a fun little lake thing do you know when he's walking he kind of improvised that scene where he steps right over the boulder oh here's a rock yeah see if he goes around

[01:17:52] nope right over didn't even break his stride just kept going that was an improvisation that's funny i like that it just because it fits that character he's just got this way about him that i feel like he just doesn't let anything really get in

[01:18:09] his way he's just going to he's not going around he's always going through mm-hmm but uh yeah he's simon's having trouble attuning to this this helm and you know they come up with all these different plans we get to see a lot of edgins

[01:18:29] plan and then if a fail a plan fails you plan again abcd which a portal plan yeah c is just going back to a but a's got a stink on it and d is going back to b but that doesn't work either it's just

[01:18:46] it's kind of a funny way to look at the whole thing yeah which yeah the portal plan originally would have worked perfectly except the one problem of the painting falling on the floor face down

[01:18:56] so yeah we go to plan c which is actually just plan a again um simon needs to attune to this helm of disjunction even though he wasn't able to before uh and after this bardic inspiration

[01:19:10] from edgain um he tries again to attune the helm because he must that's his things not that you need that you want to but do it because you must uh so now dork will continue on her own plan d which is

[01:19:24] also just plan b he's got the sending stones while they're in the castle those are super helpful love sending stones always a good thing to have uh do you use those a lot in the game

[01:19:39] yeah i don't know if we have any currently right we might we haven't used them in a while because we've all been together but there have been moments when we're trying to pull things off like in a

[01:19:47] castle or something where we all have to kind of i'm going to go distract this person you guys sneak into here we've done those things where yeah the sending stones are helpful i think we

[01:19:56] still have a set like just like two of them like a pair but we haven't needed to use them in a while well you know what you may need to so hold on to them see uh see simon casts the illusion of

[01:20:10] edgain playing the loot to distract the guards but then his foot gets stuck so he breaks concentration that's a big thing a lot of spells require concentration so you can't do any other attacks

[01:20:21] you can't do any other things you have to do that uh sophina has that uh her animating that dragon to attack them requires concentration that's why she's not also fighting them right she gets to

[01:20:32] a higher place where she can focus her energy on the dragon that's why dork interrupts her and stops her to stop the dragon um so again this this illusion that he's casting is a concentration spell

[01:20:45] which again it's those little nods those little things that they they throw in here which is really cool uh but then when his foot gets stuck the spell fails hilariously celebrate last it celebrate last it celebrate last it celebrate last it celebrate last it celebrate

[01:21:03] yeah um that was a broken record uh maybe a persuasion check failure involved in that too is like how how well the illusion held up after concentration broke yeah that pretty poorly what madness is this that that actor whoever that like extra that small roll that guard who's

[01:21:24] what madness is this nine hells he's just a small role in the movie who stole the whole thing because that's such a great delivery that it will live in my head forever uh simon is able to attune

[01:21:40] by getting past his own insecurities which is a really big scene a really cool thing for him to finally like it's not about convincing somebody else you're worthy it's about convincing yourself

[01:21:52] uh yeah it's really cool but i think he needed the other people or at least adgin to believe in him to get him through that i think that was a big part of getting him past that and out of his head

[01:22:05] because i think that so what was keeping him from being able to attune i think it was just a part of him that just didn't believe and that's why it wasn't working so he needed to get through that in

[01:22:18] order to really connect and be able to use it yeah but so he does use it he gets there dispells magic uh they get in the vault is empty and it's a trap come on dnd like one of the top roles

[01:22:34] always check for traps uh how do you check how do you check for traps yeah what do you do like physical man made traps usually or you you check for those as far as

[01:22:49] this like magical trap that sofina set with the tentacles you can't really check for that that's just kind of yeah there's not much you could have done with that one but it's still

[01:22:58] a rule you go into a room and things seem a little awkward it's a place you're not familiar with 100 percent always check just in case do you think um is that something that the dungeon

[01:23:08] master would do like keeps to keep you on your toes oh yeah we've gone into like places and it's like all right i start walking up the stairs and it's like okay the stairs are uh like um made of

[01:23:22] lava i can't think of the no i can't think of the i have some right now it's like a glue some kind of like glue basically where the only way to unstick from it is by like knowing a secret

[01:23:33] like password or like having some kind of specific item and so it's like i run up the stairs it's like all right cool you're stuck to the stairs and you can't get off unless you have like this

[01:23:43] great you know like see you check to make sure those kind of things yeah dork worms literally into the the real spot that the treasure is being kept under the arena we've talked about so forage could steal it all away for himself

[01:23:59] uh and then the group gets captured even edgin and uh because sofina was pretending to be kira yeah that was that was kind of sad i mean for him because i felt like he thought he was connecting

[01:24:14] with his daughter after all this time because again he hadn't really had any time with her because when they went through the first time he didn't have time with her yeah because he was dispatched right away

[01:24:30] and then he finally was getting a chance all he wants is to reconnect with his daughter he's not getting the opportunity yeah um again with simon then it kind of comes down to just

[01:24:43] like the big final fight with sofina against some great simon moments in there bigby's hand versus bigby's hand um rock may beat scissors but it doesn't beat evil red zombie hand no it definitely does not but it was cool

[01:25:00] yeah that's such a great like spell bigby's hand it's it's fun bigby's hand now why is it called bigby's hand i couldn't tell you yeah now come on i expect you to be able to answer all the questions it just is

[01:25:23] but it's just this like you it's like this giant spectral hand that you can make do things it's fun um and seeing that both of them haven't kind of battled it out with each other on that was fun

[01:25:37] that's what made led me to believe that simon had really gotten control of his magic yeah oh for sure uh even like that six second term based thing i talked about that started simon runs in

[01:25:50] he's popping off some magic missiles which is fun he looked like he was it might be a a little more time before he's ready to be in the avengers but maybe it's something that he can

[01:26:01] look to for the future yeah he he was doing well and then of course yeah fuck yeah simon that that great moment where the time stop distraction where he you know what is this and it's simon they say i

[01:26:15] counted your time stop i got better love it because he has gotten better and yeah kira came into play with the invisibility having the the magic suppression cuff and then dork just gets to come

[01:26:32] in and albert smash and you know albert hulk smash the shit out of sofina which was quite fun overkill but fun uh yeah she got to take out some of her anger and frustration for for anyone who's

[01:26:46] familiar with a critical role and then my own dm now has co-opted matt mercer's saying from critical role when you finally kill or defeat an enemy so uh in this game of dnd whoever's playing the

[01:26:59] the character of the player of doric got asked the question so how do you want to do this well she did it whatever she wanted to do and basically took syphina out oh yeah excessively took her out basically but

[01:27:26] she usually has because yeah that that how do you want to do this a lot of dms when you are fighting and you get the killing blow they'll ask you know paint the picture like they like to let the

[01:27:37] person who got the the finishing blow use their imagination you tell me how you finish this opponent what happens what and you know let your creative juice and a lot of time it's pretty over the

[01:27:47] top i love to get explained why do this and then this happens and then this so i could imagine there if this is a dnd session of people sitting around playing and then this movie is what happens

[01:27:58] through that then sofia lillis being very much like well i smash her head in over and over and over and over and over again and then she starts to get up so i do it some more and then i throw

[01:28:08] her into the wall and she falls and then the rocks fall down on it like yeah it's just have you ever had to finish off anyone oh absolutely i love it and what i'm getting to do it

[01:28:18] what's the best way that you remember doing it well usually i as a uh a rogue i don't get up close not a melee that's it's a lot of uh i've got a crossbow that i like to get distance from

[01:28:33] and do like i like to hide and get like some sneak attack shots because you get a lot of extra damage points with some good sneak attacks um so it's usually a crossbow from a hidden position somewhere

[01:28:44] so a lot of my finishes are just like and the crossbow bolt goes right through their eye through their brain could you know sticking them to a wall something good you know that is what i

[01:28:56] expected that you would say yeah yeah i'm a rogue thief myself so i i usually don't get too up close and personal in the action i kind of like to hold back i let our barbarian get up and

[01:29:10] smack the shit out of them up close and i hang back and get the killing blow from 50 feet away you know uh never never want to be upfront in the action no i'm the weakest i have the

[01:29:23] lowest hp of everybody in our party by far so like i'm i'm a little hollow bro hollow boned glass bird so doesn't take much to hurt me so i just kind of hang back yeah last bird

[01:29:36] yeah so hang back i hang back well we wouldn't want you to get shattered would we no no fine all right so dorik is left if you don't have any idea i am good and i love to dorik i have to tell you

[01:29:55] sophie lily's when we first meet her character of dorik i don't even realize we're meeting her character until they say it and because i didn't pay so much attention to who was in this

[01:30:12] and she appeared on the screen i i just was so excited because she's fantastic and her character did not disappoint she's got a small level of sassiness but she's also got this big heart where

[01:30:30] she wants to do the right thing for her people and i really loved that she also i don't think wants to go out and fails she doesn't want to have a plan b c and d because she doesn't want to

[01:30:44] fail she wants to do it and when they talk to her about going to neverwinter and taking care of things there and protecting her people of course she's gonna be in it of course she's gonna

[01:30:58] volunteer because they took her in when she didn't have anyone yeah but she's also not very trusting of humans and so it wasn't easy for her to at first to travel with this group i think because

[01:31:15] she she has trouble trusting but she also had a lot of tenacity and has a great sense of how to use her gifts her abilities her shape shifting to owl bear and fly and deer and everything else that she

[01:31:36] did yeah which tiny nitpick um wild shape really can't be used to transform into an owl bear uh owl bears are considered monsters in the dnd lore and in the game book uh and not beasts

[01:31:56] which are like your normal animals and wild shape transforms into beasts only not monsters uh so technically by like dnd five e rolls and stuff you can't wild shape into an owl bear however

[01:32:10] homebrew games which is a lot of what i play anyway because like you you mentioned the like notes like this is based off of a certain setting campaign setting and like any campaign i've

[01:32:23] used we don't use the like campaign settings from the books like jeff my dm creates his own worlds and own cities and own character like other characters and names like it's very so you homebrew games and

[01:32:36] you can kind of do your own things because a lot you know for for a lot of people the the manuals and the official rules and stories are just guidelines and then you kind of go from there

[01:32:47] so you can break rules all the time in homebrew uh so the rule of cool applies for her wild shaping into an owl bear which the rule of cool is literally what it sounds like a lot of dms play by that with

[01:32:59] like technically with dnd like if you're very strict to the rules you're not supposed to do that but it sounds really cool so i'm gonna let you do it uh well i give her permission so so

[01:33:12] dorik wild shaping into an owl bear rule of cool the movie let her do it it was fantastic because i was trying to figure out who is this dorik and then yeah that's dorik and you can see

[01:33:28] that she she knows what to do and she's not afraid she's able to step up and do what needs to be done to save someone from her village yeah she's she's got a good personal reason yeah to join the quest

[01:33:44] with against because this is against forge taking forge down a peg and yeah he's destroying her people's land that have taken her in she's become ingrained in executing her friends uh so yeah she's

[01:33:56] definitely got the way to go and uh again she's a tiefling not human not she doesn't trust humans but yeah tiefling i've played a tiefling before in a campaign um not a druid i was a ranger but uh

[01:34:10] but it's funny because her backstory my tiefling character very similar cast out as a child cast out when young and taken in by other people in learning how to trust again like it was very much

[01:34:20] my story as my tiefling character so it's like ah that's fun maybe it's just a tiefling thing more people do that because they're in the world of dnd tieflings are usually pretty uh uh

[01:34:33] not well accepted by a lot of people they're kind of the the outskirts the uh though the ones that people seem to be more bias and prejudice against so because she's a more humanoid looking tieflings in dnd very demon looking like dark colored skin and

[01:34:50] or red skin and different colored eyes and much more prominent horns and tails and like they look more like a demon versus she's a much more humanoid looking tiefling i'm sure they just

[01:35:02] didn't want to deal with all the the cgi and prosthetics and whatever with a main character while also covering up sophia lily's let her be her shine a little bit you want people to know who it is

[01:35:13] and of course we talked about her she was in a movie that we covered which was it chapter one like over a year ago and so and two so we covered that so she it's just you know we're returning

[01:35:26] to the podcast we get to talk about sophie lily's and the amazingness of dork because i can't decide if she or holga was my favorite character because i like them for two different

[01:35:39] reasons right so when we get to like the awards for like characters and stuff this is gonna be rough fate is it just gonna be like all nominees are just dnd characters that's all uh i don't know

[01:35:52] about that but there are a few potential candidates from this film yeah um i was wondering and i i looked into this a little bit just a random note but thinking about since we've kind of covered the main party

[01:36:06] i did see that i know that the cast this main cast this party cast did get together and play at least one session of a dnd game with each other in preparation for the film which is really cool

[01:36:18] and then it's like is there footage of that i want to it's like i want to see chris pine michelle rodriguez sofia lily's justice smith like sitting around a table and like rolling

[01:36:28] dice and i do this and i've been playing off each other i want footage of that please oh my gosh well chris pine said that he agreed to be in this movie in this role because it's kind of an

[01:36:42] atypical role for a fantasy film leading man and he actually sat in on his nephew playing dnd and saw how much fun he and his friends were having so that's not a surprise i'm sure it's a lot of fun

[01:36:57] it's way too many things i could not keep track of all these things in my head but that's what you have a dm for this this they keep track of all the important stuff and you just go can i do this

[01:37:08] and then i'll let you know this you roll this dice and you get this and this is your rating for this and i couldn't keep track of it all i i don't i don't have enough room in my head for it

[01:37:21] a million other things in there now so i'll just live vicariously through you and what you do i mean you had to get like a zoom dnd session podcast to cut dnd going on eventually in the

[01:37:36] future if you did i probably would join it i think it would be fun it would be really fun but i'd want to do it with people i know really well like in this like our group by randy would be great in

[01:37:47] that for sure can you see him being a dm like with all the stuff absolutely i can i can read i yeah i can see randy doing that for sure yeah but yeah uh it's it's fun so it's again just

[01:38:03] so many good things i've still got more to say it was like it's been almost two hours uh i knew this would be a long one because i'm gonna nerd out a lot and you got questions i do i mean

[01:38:11] that i still have some more but i feel like i've asked some throughout so i think it's good yeah yeah uh but yeah this wild shape thing is the biggest part i mean as a druid that's like one

[01:38:21] of the big things you go to my current campaign we have a druid in our party yeah wild shape constantly helps with a lot of things she literally like went up in the air

[01:38:33] turned into an elephant and then just came back down and fell on top of an enemy to kill him that was pretty great um so is there a particular type of character that you think you connect with more

[01:38:47] or best represents you i don't like i i don't like magic so much i maybe i'll play a magic user to kind of get into that more at some point in the future but because i mean my next character

[01:39:00] i've already decided i know who my next character is and then when this campaign's over soon and we eventually move into the next one we start fresh i'm gonna be a bard in the next one so

[01:39:11] and like try try to be a magic using bard to like really try to play with that a little more um i can see you in that role because you're really yeah like supportive and positive so i think

[01:39:22] that you would yeah because i've always played rogues and rangers where it's more you know distance and understanding the layout of places and being sneakier and more distance so i think i want to get more in the action more involved in magic and do a bard thing next

[01:39:40] time well then you can always write clever little songs to sing and entertain everyone it's yeah yeah you can definitely do that uh i've got a whole accent voice and just everything

[01:39:53] it's gonna be oh yeah so you should you should share with our audience what ketan sounds like oh ketan's not that important he's not too much it's just a very think like like uh

[01:40:06] oh wait what am i thinking like um well it started it started more of like a michael kane but like muted not as strongly just very like this it's just like you know we start like that and it's

[01:40:16] become more normal english kind of accent as the time has gone on and he's just like whatever i don't care about much but uh you know do what i gotta do is the money involved fine i mean you know

[01:40:29] because that's all that ketan cares about really is money yeah my character is very much forge if he wasn't evil uh where it's very much like all right can i do i get money do i get

[01:40:41] influence out of this what do i what what's in it for me besides like can i help other people that's great but i also want money you know wonderful yeah and that honestly doesn't that's not like you at all

[01:40:58] right that's the joy of playing dean is you get to like embody these like characters and be different play play up a character that's different than yourself that's not you

[01:41:08] yeah i don't know what i would want to do if i did do it like i don't know what character i would connect most with and i feel like i feel like with most games i try to be someone similar

[01:41:24] to who i am which doesn't always serve me well yeah it's it's usually like because we've got some people in our campaign right now that this is their first campaign they've ever played

[01:41:34] their first foray into dnd and their characters are very much like themselves because it's a great place to start your first campaign is to build somebody who's just very close to you and the

[01:41:46] things you would do because it helps you embody that you're not having to also play more of a role while figuring out the mechanics of the game that does make it easier and then as you've

[01:41:55] played more and more campaigns and spent more and more years on it that's now i'm like okay how do i branch out and do something goofy how do i make this more fun and different

[01:42:03] you know okay so with and with that which um which type of character do you think matches me um honestly i could see you either going the druid route like dorik and being very

[01:42:25] in tune with nature and and having this like very strong personal goal with the good of somebody else or going like a zank route being a paladin where it's very much for justice and like

[01:42:41] for the good of others for everyone else just across the board and using magic to make life better for everyone else without worrying about yourself i think so it's very much one of those

[01:42:51] two a druid or a paladin i think is very you it is very me yeah it's yeah you you did a great job because that is why when thinking about it those were the two that i was thinking that's the

[01:43:04] kind of vibe i think that i give off in who i am i'm definitely not a barbarian as much as i love holga i'm not a barbarian like or a cleric we don't have a cleric in this movie they don't show

[01:43:16] a cleric the cleric is the healer the cleric is the one but usually cleric has a lot of uh like you know spiritual kind of uh you know connection and stuff religious connection to them

[01:43:30] paladins do too um but but yeah the cleric is usually the healer of the group the party where it's more focused on even in combat you're more focused on hiding hanging back and healing and empowering and inspiring and building up other people instead of getting into the

[01:43:46] fray yourself yeah i kind of would do that i'm not a violent person like i wouldn't want to go into a battle but i would want to protect my friends so that makes sense so yeah i think you know me

[01:44:02] pretty well you did a good job yeah so i like playing the the yeah like the rogue has been fun just to be very just in it for myself and just like being snarky with people it's been fun

[01:44:19] while being snarky is who you are like that's who you are that's not a character and then so the bard will be fun because the bard that i want to play you know is gonna be

[01:44:32] a little puppy as far as like he wants everybody's affection he wants everybody's admiration he to the detriment of himself will do anything and everything to make people like him and

[01:44:45] that's what i want to do so that that's gonna be fun where it's like even if somebody's manipulating him and using him he's like but at least they're talking to me yay you know uh that's

[01:44:55] kind of what i want to do it's going to be a fun little oh my goodness get myself into some real sticky situations you are going to it'll be fine yeah because i never that's not a vibe

[01:45:07] takeoff of you at all okay yeah well i'm interested um to know how that goes yeah i mean you've had some pretty wild threats in the campaign you're in now because i think jeff even brought in a yotun

[01:45:26] yeah brought it we fought mode air from the ritual that we put on here along he met jeff's a huge fan of that maybe so we basically yeah he he incorporated that into a story and

[01:45:35] there's a pretty pretty legit setup too like we fought a t-rex and swamps yes done all kinds of fun stuff yeah jeff's a good dm yeah because based on what you've told me it sounds like he pulls out

[01:45:48] all the stops to create these scenarios that are challenging but also hilarious and fun at the same time you know i fought some evil fey who had charmed us into thinking we were living

[01:46:00] and staying in a nice little community and then when the charm wore off we were just in this muddy rundown gross swamp and he turned into a giant alligator and had a brother that

[01:46:10] turned into a snake and it was yeah there's a lot of great stuff you can do some fun stuff that is awesome well uh yeah where yeah uh yeah what a what a tangent but it's fun because

[01:46:23] just to talk about dnd and then if people are interested in playing dnd like find a way to check it out depending on where you live even if you don't have friends who will do it look into

[01:46:35] places around there's usually if you live in a city big enough there's some places here and where I live there are uh gaming stores and places like that that usually will do dnd sessions where they

[01:46:47] will just pull people together are you interested in playing come here meet you know we'll assign you a dm get a random group of people together and just look out search for it because it is a

[01:46:56] lot of fun if anyone's interested so hopefully me talking about it isn't just a waste of time in a weird tangent but maybe somebody going you know what that sounds fun so I I implore you to give it

[01:47:05] a shot if they were one of those people yes definitely not a waste of time because I've been looking forward to this just because I wanted to have a better understanding of how things

[01:47:14] worked because you sent me pictures and show me things and talk to me about different things and so now it's making a lot more sense than it did before so that's a good thing yeah but a

[01:47:27] couple more notes on dork while we were after the tangent uh the wild shape sequence with her escaping from sofina i love that so well we've talked about that it's it's so cool and of

[01:47:39] course holga is very happy because she did turn into a deer I love that I thought it was really well done it was clever it was shot well the cinematography in this movie

[01:47:52] was wonderful too I mean yeah based on where it was filmed I mean it's incredibly green it's just beautiful and they did such a fantastic job with it yeah uh dork does get the magic

[01:48:06] suppression cuff off inside the gelatinous cube which is a lucky break not so lucky for the dude who dove head first into the thing yeah it was burning like she yeah he's just bones before too long

[01:48:18] it's just straight acid uh but didn't they use that in order to get out they did yeah brilliant thinking yeah she uses her her body and her finger to create this tunnel through the gelatinous cube

[01:48:32] to where once they go down under the arena in it she can wild shape as a snake and then use that tunnel to crawl out and then free her friends mm-hmm that was a really cool uh I liked that another

[01:48:42] one of those things is like take some out of the box thinking where somebody in dnd would be like it was very much a do you trust the players you're with which works with the game too because

[01:48:51] she goes do you trust me and simon goes always which I loved and because it was like all right here's what we're doing sounds fucking insane but she's got a plan and and sometimes these

[01:49:03] insane plans work out yeah and it did work mm-hmm and then lastly I just a small note on her I love the slingshot that's built into the armor like on her arm that's just so well so practical yeah

[01:49:22] I just I just get the I get the impression that she does a lot of things very practically like she has a purpose for everything because she's no nonsense and she has been in some really

[01:49:40] hard situations and so being able to get out of them she has to have practical things yeah man if we weren't like wrapping up this campaign because it works with my rogue character which I should

[01:49:54] have gone to like a town and hired some kind of blacksmith or even just leather worker to build up slingshot into my armor on my arm because man should have stolen that idea that's cool

[01:50:07] you should have done it back when this movie came out I know didn't think about it last spring man I should have you should have someday maybe pike in some campaign again when you're playing a

[01:50:19] rogue yeah I mean maybe it would work for the bard why not um yeah so that's dork uh I do have other notes about forge sofina zank I don't know if you've got other um I also want to talk about

[01:50:36] Kira a little bit okay so which ones who do you want to hit up first uh I've got forge next okay so let's go with forge Hugh Grant all right yeah which god Hugh Grant was great as this like

[01:50:54] slimy evil guy but also just very goofy and like his quips and you know like oh you're in the floor like he was just very good at being an asshole who's like very self-absorbed and like just

[01:51:07] I love that and I love the the quip my favorite one by far is when Edgen is tied up in these black tentacles and he goes he goes I don't want to see you die which is why and you're

[01:51:21] like wondering like oh is he gonna let him free I'm gonna leave him I love an exchange that he had with Safina when he was getting ready to leave and she's just had it and get out of my city yeah

[01:51:37] yeah she wants him to go she hated the partnership with him to begin with it was driving her crazy oh yeah uh yeah so forge was great uh yeah took the wealth with the help of Safina to become

[01:51:51] lord of neverwinter uh which she she did put the formal lord of neverwinter under some sort of spell right yeah absolutely yeah to take him out of the picture mm-hmm uh yeah so one might say he cleaned up his act others may say he's just a different

[01:52:08] kind of criminal now right uh I would say he's a different kind of criminal um when Edgen and Holger are there in the the castle talking to him the whole bit with the tea

[01:52:21] is so funny to me I love oh it's just scorching hot uh and it just keeps going back to it because again things like that happen at d&d session like all the time I love doing bits and gags and

[01:52:32] and and running things like that uh recently me and another player in our campaign had a whole running bit for a long time we were in this like like coffee like a cafe like a coffee shop run by

[01:52:45] fey and so the coffee was enchanted so the more that we drank the more we were enchanted to stay forever and ever okay leave they kind of would trap us there and so one person of our

[01:52:57] party was smart enough not to drink any coffee but the me and the other did and so then it's like playing that up where instead of like I know that we should leave but I'm like no because my

[01:53:07] character right now is enchanted so then we just had this whole running gag of like oh but just one more cup it's so good don't you want a cup and we would just everything can

[01:53:15] be like but like we need to leave okay we can leave but first another cup of coffee you're not like and who enchanted you handsome squidward in a box yes

[01:53:29] yeah but so yeah that the tea like the bit is just good just coming up with it's still so hot it's so hot and then and then Safina has to actually ice her finger put it in there to cool it off

[01:53:41] I didn't realize you were gonna put your finger in the I'll save that for later um yeah that partnership between him and Safina that was definitely a partnership to get to an end result that they both wanted because neither one of them I felt like could

[01:53:57] stand each other especially because he wanted her to continue to cover up her head and all the markings that make her part of the red wizards yeah but with with forge got a few more uh

[01:54:09] I do like I mean he plays his character very well for what it is the rogue who's in it for himself for the most part you know my character was a rogue you know is that I'm playing right now and yeah I wondered that self-centered for myself

[01:54:23] I've warmed up to my party over time as we played for a few years but but it was very much like early on in the campaign being very selfish and like

[01:54:34] so forge fits that even says to uh to edkin when he realizes he's crossed them like this and he says never trust a con man uh you know he purposely held that got them caught in the heist uh double

[01:54:50] crossed them there and then keeps lying to kira to turn her away from her father saying oh yeah he left you for more riches so you know uh and now that he's caught them again his only thought

[01:55:01] is you know execute them bring their bodies to the to the prison and claim the bounty you know like that's that's his goal that's all he cares about did he want them to be executed I don't think I

[01:55:15] don't think that was a that was so fina's call yeah because I think at first he wanted them taken to the prison and then she whispered to her guard to yeah to kill them but he didn't

[01:55:29] really care much really what happened to them no more just take them back to prison claim the bounty it was so fina that that wanted them dead uh yeah and we just see his lies get more and more despicable

[01:55:41] where after he has them taken by the guards and and removed kira comes like well maybe I should talk to him and he's like oh I gave him the tablet of riches and he left you

[01:55:50] you know yeah liar and you know what I have to tell you this and I know you will understand this when he's sitting there and he's talking about I didn't know I didn't really want to be a

[01:56:01] father until it was one and now you know I like it and all I could think of was christian cage being the father and that's all I could think about is he's the patriarch yeah but it's all

[01:56:19] still about him in that moment it is he's like I love being a father because I have a young person that I can shape and mold and manipulate and grow in my own image and convince them to do what

[01:56:28] I want them to do and they're so easily moldable and that's what he's taking from this not not seeing somebody grow and become their own person but right what can I instill in them while

[01:56:41] they're young and malleable I think he likes the adoration like having her dependent on him to take care of her and I think you see his true colors when he goes down to his boat

[01:56:52] and he takes her hostage with a knife it's like you can really see no he it's always been about him and when it comes down to money he's going to pick money every single time yeah and so he holds

[01:57:10] that knife to her throat and he's he even says you know they know that I'm I could do something I could do something really terrible to people I care about and he almost does until potato

[01:57:38] yeah so great uh yeah we can get to zank because you mentioned his uh because I've got some more sofina and stuff as well but yeah either one we'll do either one next um you got more on forge

[01:57:53] no I think I'm done with forge permanently he yeah I didn't trust him though from the beginning I just had a feeling about him I was hoping that I could trust him but once they you know went to

[01:58:07] prison and he hadn't tried to get them out or anything I just wondered it's like is he really I don't think he's who he says he is and then when sofina comes out well he's at neverwinter in that big

[01:58:22] castle I knew he was bad news and then he wouldn't admit the truth about why edkin wanted to go there in the first place to get that tablet what really surprised me though is that kira didn't believe

[01:58:40] holga yeah because out of all of them I feel like she was the closest with them and so I started wondering if maybe she was under some spell and could have been I mean with sofina that red wizard

[01:58:56] very powerful yeah a lot of just like even just small enchantments and charms that could have been going on yeah yeah and so talking about zenke zenke had a very rough childhood yeah because he was actually present when they were when this initial um the beckoning of death

[01:59:21] so zastams original beckoning of death that was done turned his family into these mindless corpses that did the bidding of zastam yeah he was touched barely on the top of his head

[01:59:39] where you can you could still see something um but that affected him I mean he just does good things he rescued a baby kitten out of a fish's belly I mean that's an axi yeah that

[01:59:54] that sounds absolutely it sounds crazy but that's what he did the kitten came and gave it back to its mother and yeah that was like part of the fantasy I think connection that I really loved with this

[02:00:17] movie was just the you didn't know what you were going to see sometimes and you just embraced it anyway because it yeah all added to this big world that you were exploring through this party of people

[02:00:30] this team of people yeah it's yeah it just shows like I was like oh he's that guy he's so good everything he does is he's the good guy which just drives edkin more and more crazy

[02:00:43] but yeah it's like they see him and it's like yeah he's saving a baby tabaxi from a fish and giving money to this like vagrant dragonborn and he's just like yeah look at me just the doer of all good

[02:00:53] and edkin's like I hate this guy already like it's but he wasn't doing it for a malicious reason like no and that's the thing because it's like it just because edkin coming from like a thief

[02:01:05] background he's like you mean this guy is legitimately this good and has no like selfish intent whatsoever oh my god gag me you know he can't stand it it's like it's like the goody two

[02:01:18] shoes that you go to school with that you know gets 105 on a test and messes up the curve for everyone like if teachers at a curve yeah like to the point though he doesn't even dabble in sarcasm

[02:01:33] but no that hurts people's feelings looks like you won't so he's almost like drax where he just doesn't have a knack for understanding sarcasm and figures of speech no I love that it's like oh yeah

[02:01:43] he's a real son of a bitch oh so you blame his mother oh I wanted to see more of him I was kind of hoping he would join up with them just because I liked his character a lot and I have not seen him in

[02:02:01] anything the actor who played him I have not seen him in anything I didn't watch bridgerton so and I know he's in bridgerton but I really liked what I saw in this yeah it was good uh you

[02:02:16] mentioned him not being in there much yeah I have a note where I said so if this is a dnd campaign that's just being shown in the movie it's like whoever the player is who's playing zank he's

[02:02:28] super busy uh he can't commit to weekly sessions so he popped in for one long session one day and then had his character leave at the end of the night you can do that yeah we've had some like

[02:02:39] guest people come in for like one or two little sessions and then leave yeah that's that see I feel like that would be my speed you can have guests you can have some guest spots come in and

[02:02:50] have just like a lot of times the dm will just be here's your character you're playing for the night like they give them their own character here's what you're doing okay that way somebody

[02:02:58] can just join for a night so that's what zank was in this case with somebody who's just super busy it's like I want to play a dnd with you guys but I can't commit I work too much it's like

[02:03:06] but I'm I'm free next week on vacation so let me just come in and we'll we'll do an extra two hours we'll make it an all-day thing I'll bring food and then they did this whole underdark story with

[02:03:16] zank and at the end of it he was like all right I must go and do other things bye so there's actual terminology that explains yeah what his character did in this movie

[02:03:29] right okay that makes sense I was just like whoever's playing zank in this okay that makes sense couldn't didn't have time to actually stick around and play the whole campaign so they brought him in for one session okay that totally makes sense I get it

[02:03:45] yeah so he hides the helm of disjunction in the underdark which I was like yeah that's gonna be fun terrifying place into the orifice we go the orifice which I love Simon I'll go last

[02:03:57] I don't know if I would go last though because you don't know what's gonna be creeping up behind you once you get in there right I'd want to be in the middle yeah I usually whenever

[02:04:09] in our campaigns of Jeff asks all right what order are you guys in walking through this place I'm usually always in the middle I don't like to lead the group I don't like to be right

[02:04:17] I'm like all right it makes sense right yeah you don't know what's behind you mm-hmm because even when they were running in that maze when they were in the big

[02:04:28] the games all I could think is I think Doric was at the end and I'm thinking no no no Doric you need to move up you do not want to be there don't be at the end yeah don't no

[02:04:41] I think I'd want the barbarian at the end just because they can take care of whatever is chasing you another great fight scene Holga has most of them but zank versus the Thayin assassins in the underdark was a great fight so good it was really good

[02:04:59] so good I mean we haven't talked about the you know the effects team on this but legacy effects industrial light magic and mpc they all collaborated together on it which ILM whatever they touch is usually like a masterpiece absolutely so yeah and they had worked

[02:05:18] together before so this it just made the parts in the movie that they worked on that much more cohesive because they already had been a team yeah I love heroic sank diving down to attack the

[02:05:34] dragon and save edgain and then you know I know you would have done the same for me and he's like yeah sure totally I don't think he would have not at this point in the movie later

[02:05:50] maybe but not at this point he's still very selfish at that I know that you say the rogues and the thieves can be selfish but I think this bard could be this guy edgain the bard

[02:06:03] he's a little bit selfish yeah he's a good guy he's got some rogue in him like I said he's definitely yeah and then yeah I have nothing else about zank other than yeah just hopefully there's sequels

[02:06:19] and stuff we'll get more of him but maybe his player will have some more free time to join the sessions a little more uh do remember not this campaign but a previous campaign I've played

[02:06:29] like one or two ago we did have a player in that campaign for a short period time it just ended up not working out in the long run because they traveled for work constantly so they would just zoom in from

[02:06:41] whatever hotel room they were in on the sessions and like it just comes with so many like hard things to deal with whenever you're like remotely dealing with a player but we tried it we tried it for a

[02:06:55] and then like they'd be busy and couldn't be there for like two or three weeks and then they'd zoom in for another one so it was literally like they would run off and be like all they're on their

[02:07:01] own is like oh they're back and now they're gone again and now they're back and that's hard to have any consistency I think and it's hard on the dm to be like I gotta come up with another

[02:07:11] reason why they're not here again and that that's hard I mean I would think if you chose to come in on zoom you'd have to be really dedicated and do the do extra work so that you could be a

[02:07:28] part of what was going on because you're disconnected from everyone else like physically yeah that's the hardest part of dnd is it's it's not the stats it's not the rolling it's not understanding the spells and like characters it's scheduling that's the hardest part

[02:07:44] there have been a few times that we have adjusted our schedule for dnd yeah but we've changed our recording dates and stuff because I've had to like move to a different day for my campaign yeah but we've also changed recording dates because I'm off doing something

[02:08:03] that I need to do or that you know we have other things that we do yeah and yes recording this podcast is incredibly important but we can shift things around when we need to

[02:08:17] to make sure that we can continue to do all the things that we like there was one thing I wanted to mention Hugh Grant was a bit concerned about this movie in the first place because

[02:08:29] he knows how dnd fans can be and he wanted to win them over and he said I'm scared stiff of the gamers because they're very territorial about the game they love so they may want to hate it

[02:08:42] but they're not allowed to and that just honestly every time I read that quote when I was doing my prep all I could think is him saying it in his forge voice yeah which I have to ask you went

[02:08:58] with your friends from dnd from your campaign group what did they think I know what you think oh we all loved it we thought it was great like it was one of those you know if you go to a movie

[02:09:08] with a group of friends usually like you know you get together in the lobby of the theater after and you stay there for another 25 minutes just talking about things and and yeah we had that whole

[02:09:18] nerd oh my god did you see that did you notice when they used that spell did you see that oh we have the conversation of course dork can't turn to an owl bear you can't use well

[02:09:25] shit no of course not but that's fine did you see when they did this did you catch that reference oh my god that yeah we all loved it and urted out so hard that night yeah it was a good

[02:09:34] time I'm glad because it's hard I mean Jeff's got a big old thimber shot fat pudgy dragon head that was like the special popcorn bucket that you could get with like the thing so we've got a big

[02:09:46] red dragon head that we yeah he has at his house on his mantle it's cool it's good because and then Brittany yes and the other players like they got like d20s the 20-sided dice popcorn buckets too so oh that's pretty cool I think that sometimes and

[02:10:04] we've talked about this with movies that if you're really close to the material or really invested in something that's connected to the movie that your hopes are even higher because you just

[02:10:16] want it to be done well and done right and you can be disappointed so it's really good to hear that not just you but your friends also thought that it was amazing yep all right so I'm good on

[02:10:32] zinc and stuff that I do have sofina but it's just some quick little thoughts and then I'm pretty much done all right well so it's just like little notes I took with sofina like gasps shocked dismay

[02:10:45] she's actually a red wizard oh no did you figure that out right away I don't remember my initial thoughts like in the theater yeah a lot of things yeah of course then you're like but oh no she is in

[02:10:57] forge walked in and she's in there's like oh forge already knows of course yeah yes he's aware of that fact when forge went out and told again about the tablet that's when I stopped trusting forge

[02:11:09] I just had a feeling I'm like of course that's there of course it is something's wrong and then I just didn't trust sofina I didn't write from the very beginning right she uses detect magic to be able to track dork while she's using wild shape

[02:11:29] just another little like yeah that's what's going on in the realm of dnd um sofina brings in the thing assassin and his men to hunt down the party which was interesting that she actually feels threatened by this group yeah we've talked about sastam and the army of the

[02:11:50] dead in fey and then now she we actually see her in that flashback with uh with young zank as well she's one of the ones that's holding up those shields that is keeping people from running away

[02:12:04] and then yeah of course now this plan has come together where like because we see that beckoning death that sastam used really hasn't been outside of the borders of fey so now it's her job to

[02:12:17] to use it to she put this team together to get that artifact get the beckoning death and now that she has it it's all been manipulating forge in order to get the most amount of people in never

[02:12:28] win her to to take never winner in the name of sastam and continue his army of the dead there uh i like whenever she's starting to do that she's making all these incantations and stuff

[02:12:42] and the gamblers up there and they're just ignore what she's doing is like what is she up to it doesn't matter just keep going like i thought that was funny until it starts getting a little too

[02:12:52] creepy and like she turns to red and like rising and they're like uh stop stop stop that yeah they were the only ones i think that were affected because so many of the people had left

[02:13:04] the arena by the time that things started to really amp up that i mean they saved a lot of people yeah absolutely uh i mean yeah that's it because the only other note i had already mentioned is

[02:13:16] the concentration spell of her animating the dragon and so that's why she's not fighting while the dragon is fighting them is it's a concentration spell so that's all she can do at that point

[02:13:26] well um the actress who played her her name is daisy head and she is the daughter of anthony stewart head i believe is his name who is known as giles to all the buffy fans out there

[02:13:42] but he also played rebecca's ex-husband on ted lasso okay yeah yeah so i think pake that we have done this we did it it's a very long super sized episode i knew that it was going to be just because

[02:14:03] i know how passionate you are about this game because you get to play it and i'm glad that i got to ask you a lot of questions that i've wanted to know the answer

[02:14:17] to for ages and so it was a lot of fun to be able to ask you i understand that when you have a party it's made up of different types of people like thieves and

[02:14:30] clerics and all sorts of different you want a good balance you kind of want everybody to be a different class and different so you because then yeah with it helps with a lot of combat or even planning pulling things off is like everybody's got their own strengths that

[02:14:46] you can use yeah well i think that we've done it i hope that you had a lot of fun nerding out because i had a ton of fun talking about this one um i had never seen it probably

[02:15:01] would not have seen it and i ended up having just the best time watching it and going through it twice and still feeling like i need to watch it more to really ingest things but

[02:15:14] talking about it the way that we have i understand it even more so now i have a i feel more knowledgeable i guess yeah any excuse for me to watch this is it for me i'll take it so i i hope you know if anybody uh

[02:15:37] maybe there's d&d players out there who listen to this i'd love to see if we got some more thoughts about the intricacies of the game in the movie so we'll see if we got any

[02:15:46] feedback absolutely and we do have some feedback here for Dungeons and Dragons which is awesome i love that yes so excited wasn't sure this one like we've mentioned is a little outside of our norm

[02:16:01] but i was just nerding out and ready to talk about d&d so i'm glad that uh we've got some listeners who are very on board with that as well makes me happy you know what sometimes we

[02:16:12] have to stretch the scope of our podcast so that we can cover movies we're really like into and we did that for you with this one and we're gonna do one for me in a couple weeks yeah i'll go ahead

[02:16:24] and give people like a big teaser talk about stretching some stuff out if you're listening this now you know oscar season is in full effect and i always watch all of the oscar movies every year

[02:16:36] and there's a handful this year that are in different categories that very loosely maybe fit this podcast and kind of in the rain of what we did here you know what we can do what we want

[02:16:46] so i think we're gonna have kind of a little section of just like oscar season movies where they may be a little bit out of the realm of what we usually would cover here but their

[02:16:56] oscar nominated they fit somewhat and it'll be fun to do that helps me knock them off the list watch list too because i'm covering them so and it might be something that is popular with

[02:17:06] you guys and we can do it every year yeah maybe we'll see so our first message is from kathryn she says i've never played dungeons and dragons but i have played several rpg video games i tend

[02:17:22] to choose characters that focus on attack first so barbarian then magic so sorcerer simon was my favorite character with holga as my second i loved michelle rodriguez since seeing resident evil but she seems to play the same type of character in every movie i've seen her in

[02:17:41] so i had a hard time enjoying her performance at first but then she started throwing potatoes and the potato throwing comes back i would love to hear a live steve for this as i found

[02:17:54] myself making similar notes she can transform into an owl bear aw i love the animatronic kitten the choreography for the knife fight is amazing yes more potatoes i definitely need to re-watch at least once more to appreciate all the details oh yeah this love that kathryn yeah

[02:18:15] this is one of those movies that you can just watch over and over again i have um to where i think i mentioned this earlier when we were recording is as i was doing my prep before this

[02:18:26] movie i just went on amazon and ordered the blu-ray so i could have fun with all the bonus features and stuff too because i realized this isn't in my collection fixing that uh i love

[02:18:36] that we did this one because i learned more about d&d and i actually understand things just a little bit more plus i got to ask you a bunch of questions that i've always wanted to

[02:18:47] know the answer to yeah it was fun glad we did this uh more feedback jason writes in say one of my favorite movies of the year i wouldn't expect a dungeons and dragons movie to be this fun

[02:18:57] and witty and warm and simultaneously cool and also geeky if you're a d&d fan you'll see easter eggy details everywhere and if you're not they don't distract at all i loved it and i

[02:19:08] hope a sequel is in the works and comes out soon yeah it sums up a lot of what i said is like for a d&d player there's so much stuff in here i pointed out only a tiny tiny little bit of it and with

[02:19:22] this went long and i only just covered like the surface but again for you who's coming in blind it didn't like to track like it didn't feel like i don't know what's going on in this world so i

[02:19:32] can't appreciate this exactly i had fun with it it's not one that i would have seen but i'm glad that i did because it was a lot of fun karen says i'm a big fantasy nerd but never got around to actually playing d&d though hashtag

[02:19:51] retirement goals includes a gen x d&d group my son does play we watched this as a family and loved it he got the inside joke stuff i hadn't have general knowledge to get some things and basically

[02:20:05] it was just a fun invented fantasy and i now need you grand to always play dashing bad guys yeah thanks for that karen i think this is the first time we've heard from you i appreciate you sending in the feedback absolutely thanks for listening hope we

[02:20:22] hear back some more and this last one here comes from laura who says as a product of 80s saturday morning cartoons i will admit that the animated dungeons and dragons

[02:20:33] was my absolute favorite who wouldn't want to take a ride on a roller coaster and end up in a realm of fantasy as a ranger thief or barbarian i'll also admit i was not a game player back then

[02:20:43] my fellow nerd friend steve tried to teach me the basics but we'd often get bored and end up watching weird else u hf again also never watched the germy irons dungeon and dragons movie from 2000 because honestly it looked like pure crap but i was unexpectedly and happily

[02:20:58] delighted with this movie it was funny didn't take itself too seriously and was full of heart chris pine was of course his typical charming self which works wonderfully as a honey-tongued bard slash thief michelle rudriguez is a pitch perfect surly barbarian with a heart of gold

[02:21:13] Hugh grant ditches his past as a rom-com heartthrob to be the very best kentakrists veneer grinning batty daddy and rejane page sigh so dreamy as the duke of hastings in bridgerton kills his

[02:21:26] all too brief scenes as the literal and painfully pragmatic paladin zank plus an overly rotund dragon pocket size bradley cooper halfling and that punctually challenged rascal jonathan how could

[02:21:39] would not come out of the theater without a smile on your face also that tame impala song at the end was epic fantasy metal gold yes such a good song wings of time is a hit she goes and say for the

[02:21:51] record our family just recently started learning to play dnd my character is a known bard with neutral good alignment named we morag good omen's reference yes oh thanks everyone that was awesome

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[02:23:05] rewatches right now but we're getting into the new year we're in the new year new stuff is coming and we're just we're getting excited for it and ready so amping up getting ready for those new

[02:23:14] things so of course right now the cast of us continuing their walking dead rewatch they are in season two episode seven pretty much dead already this week uh for those who are familiar with the walking dead you uh you remember this one something about a barn uh

[02:23:35] we'll say too much more um but yeah hopefully yeah i mean walking dead again it's been out forever uh there's a lot of things that's like get to it um let's see the marvel tv cast of course again

[02:23:48] all of the different marvel shows have been on different podcasts it's all consolidated into marvel tv cast so you can go check out the coverage of echo going on over there right now

[02:23:58] and then we have the revisited podcast with ben and christin covering ted lasso they are in season two right there themselves about halfway through that season episode six this week the signal check out uh cara and penny covering buffy season three the entirety of season three

[02:24:16] three they're slaying that whole season on still slang so they are in episode six band candy this week and then finally give a shout out to what is from alex and lizzie covering the mgm plus series

[02:24:31] from which say it every week go watch it it's so good it's so underrated and just it's such a great series keep it going show it some love and uh what is from podcast is celebrating their

[02:24:43] 50th episode this week so uh congratulations to alex and lizzie from us for sure and uh definitely yeah so that's that's awesome keep trucking you guys are killing it like legitimately like the

[02:24:55] podcast on our network right now that i think the cast of the show is like the most connected to like they're it's they're doing the right things when like the actual people behind the show

[02:25:05] are like paying attention and like hanging out talking to them so that's pretty cool absolutely gotta give them some uh props for that for sure so of course they are covering the episode a rock in

[02:25:15] a faraway place this week so you can go check out that coverage and yeah definitely check that out outside of podcast to cover of course tv podcast industries also doing their echo coverage so

[02:25:25] give give them some love and it's about it going on in the universe around us right now but you can always come right back here to run for your lives because next week we got something fun

[02:25:34] for you what we doing well we are delving into the origins of our favorite haunted psychic as she confronts a relentless demonic force while navigating the realms between the living and the dead she discovers a malevolent entity targeting a teenage girl leading to a heart stopping battle

[02:25:53] against the forces of the afterlife we are returning to the insidious franchise to learn more about the origins of Elise Rainier with insidious chapter three it is written and directed by Lee Wanel and stars Dermot Mulroney Stephanie Scott and Lynn Shea we get to see

[02:26:15] how Elise met Tucker and Specks and how they became the spirit hunting trio that we love yeah back to insidious continue our you know coverage of those movies and going through those we're gonna we're gonna get through them eventually but yeah chapter three next week

[02:26:33] will be a lot of fun yeah it's gonna be awesome i love that we're doing this series i feel like we're going to be through it so quick because then we only have two films left but i think

[02:26:44] they're making more so we're down for that but that brings us to the end of our episode thanks everyone for listening i'm Daphne and i'm Peyke and if you have to run you'd better run for your lives ha-ha