Run For Your Lives Podcast Episode 161: Insidious Chapter 3

[00:00:00] You're listening to the Run For Your Lives Podcast. Hey everyone, welcome to the show. I'm Daphne. And I'm Pake. And this is the Run For Your Lives Podcast. This episode is the supernatural horror film Insidious Chapter 3 written and directed by Lee Wanel and released June 5th, 2015. Yay!

[00:00:49] I'm glad that we're doing this one, but I have to start off with the following statement. Lee Wanel will always be dug from cooties to me. Over specs? Yes. There's something about cooties. I don't know why. I need to revisit that movie soon too. I just...

[00:01:12] I mean, he is specs. He's just responsible for so many great franchises too. Yeah. That you can't... No, I'm sorry. He has to be dug from cooties forever. It's just how it goes. Yeah. We got kind of an origin story.

[00:01:35] We'll get to that later when we're done with the characters and stuff. But yeah, this one played that a little bit here. Yeah. Insidious Chapter 3, we are back in the realm of Insidious diving back down into the further again to continue on this series.

[00:01:50] I mean, we might as well finish them all up, talk about them. We've done the first two. Those who've listened and know, me and Daphne actually went and saw the fifth movie. Saw the red door in theaters together. Yay! So that was fun.

[00:02:04] So we'll get to that movie. We got two more. Well, we got one more than that one. So eventually we'll get there. See, I continue on this little journey, this little astral projection into this world. We'll float on out there and see what we can talk about.

[00:02:21] You know, it's funny that you say that about astral projection because this is the one that's different kind of with it being Quinn trying to communicate with her mother that kind of kicks this whole thing into motion, which is different than what we saw with the Lamberts.

[00:02:43] This is also the first time that Lee Warnall wrote, directed and acted in the same movie. So I'm wondering what kind of a challenge that was for him to do all three. Yeah, this one wasn't really in the hands of James Wan, although he might have still

[00:03:05] had a part to the blame. Yeah, he was not involved in his normal capacity for this one. However, we'll talk about it a little bit later, just how he just took a moment to insert himself into this movie. Yes.

[00:03:29] So in the timeline of everything, this one is taking place in 2007. Insidious and Insidious Chapter 2 take place in 2010. I'll just continue on because I've got a few more production notes filmed in Los Angeles, California, third film in the Insidious franchise,

[00:03:48] but a prequel taking place three years before the Lambert haunting. It's the third film Lee Warnall wrote. But as we said, it's the first one he directed. Not only is this the first Insidious movie he directed,

[00:04:04] but this is his directorial debut for all movies because he had never directed a film before this one. Yeah. The budget was 11 million. It grossed 113 million. And just for fun, I looked up some of the budgets and gross results for some of the other movies.

[00:04:28] And it's been pretty consistent as far as the budget has been not what you normally get for a movie like this, but it's grossed a lot of money. So it's been very frugally invested in, I guess, this franchise. And it's paid off, I think, in the box office.

[00:04:51] It was 98 minutes long, opaque as you do every week. Bring us a synopsis. All right. And a prequel set before the haunting of the Lambert family. We've said that like four times now, but we're really going to make sure it's over, you know what's going on.

[00:05:08] Reveals how the gifted psychic Elise Rainier reluctantly agrees to use her ability to contact the dead in order to help a teenage girl who has been targeted by a dangerous supernatural entity. Yes. That explains it very well.

[00:05:24] This movie, I had only seen one time prior to watching it again for this. I had a question about that. I wondered because like I know some of these you've only seen like one or two movies.

[00:05:35] So I was like, I was going to ask you, had you seen this one before? Of course I did because we went to see number five together. So I had to have seen all of them.

[00:05:46] I was trying to remember if you would because when we went to the theaters, I was trying to remember if you told me that you had watched all of them in preparation. I know I did. I had seen this one before, I think before then.

[00:05:56] I know I hadn't seen the last key up until then, but I didn't remember if I'd watched this one or not. I still don't remember if I had seen this one before that time or not.

[00:06:05] Yeah, because I was trying to remember if you said that like you didn't have time to like catch up on them before or not. I didn't have time to rewatch them. But I did have time like I had seen them previously. So I've seen all of them.

[00:06:20] It's kind of interesting the way this one fits in with all of them. And it gives us this opportunity to see at least at a different point in her life before we got to meet her with the Lamperts.

[00:06:35] Yeah, I do have one little quick note because now that I was wondering like what exactly the time frame is. But then as you mentioned, it's three years. So then it's like. So just going to leave poor little Foster out of this.

[00:06:50] Like they just he gets no mention whatsoever because I remember what made me think about the timing is when Carl and Elise are talking and she's and he's giving her this inspiration of like look what you did for this boy and showing

[00:07:02] you the picture, you're going through the pictures of Josh. He's like he's a grown man now with a son of his own. And I'm like, he's got two kids. It's like Foster would have been young, but like he's still exerced. He's older than three. Yes. So basically.

[00:07:16] Write him off. We always just forget about him. He's getting a reward. It's like he doesn't exist. Poor Foster. It's like he doesn't have any role to play at all. Right. It's like even then it's like, it's like and he's got a son of his own

[00:07:30] and that's foreshadowing that the spirits are going to be invested in Dalton in some way. Oh, doesn't he have enough? No, they don't even spirits don't give a shit about Foster. No, they don't. And you know what? Foster is the lucky one. Yeah.

[00:07:43] He ended up with the best possible outcome because it's like they don't even know he's there. So that's great. Good, good for you, Foster. We remember you here at Run For Your Lives. But we're about it. That we're the only ones that do.

[00:08:04] So I'm looking forward to talking about this one. Now that we've seen all of them and we got to see that last one together, I just, yeah, I'm really excited to kind of revisit this again because we're kind of getting reacquainted with old friends.

[00:08:21] And this, yeah, in this episode where, yeah, we're going back to Elise. Now for me, I wasn't sure who the main character. I mean, it's kind of Quinn, but I think it's really Elise. Yeah, it's the way that we do our notes and break things down.

[00:08:38] Like I have Elise at the top just because, you know, that's the way you get our doc that we share. But then if we go with Elise first, it's like we're going to leave out huge chunks of the movie because like the actual

[00:08:52] main antagonistic aspect of this movie is towards Quinn. And so a lot of her story is vastly important to this. But I still think this isn't Elise's story because it really is at the end of the day, a story about who Elise was because

[00:09:10] we loved her in the first Insidious and to see, well, you know, what gets her to that point? And it's kind of setting her up as here's why she wound up as invested in the Lambert story as she did. And there's little pieces.

[00:09:26] I mean, Insidious too dove into her history with young Josh and things like that. So we knew there is that connection. But it's like, why did she why was she so invested in helping Dalton? And so we kind of see that it's her way of embracing the

[00:09:44] uncertainty and her fear and going against it by the end of this movie and realizing she does have some kind of, you know, calling and, you know, she because of the gift that she has, she almost has this need to help. Yeah.

[00:10:02] I mean, her arc in this movie is probably the biggest just because we see her at the beginning and she's so kind of afraid like she doesn't want to go poke the bear basically use her gift. Yeah. And throughout the movie, we get to kind of see the

[00:10:24] shifting through different things. We start to learn how she got to be the Elise that we know. Yeah. So like this. So in this in these ways, Quinn and the Brenner family does play a big part because a lot of things revolve around them.

[00:10:42] But I think Elise, like I said, this isn't a lease story where it is. It's a prequel for her to see her growth to like I mentioned why she's so invested. She's got the almost this obligation and what obligates her.

[00:10:56] You'd have to be really obligated to face some of the things that Elise faces. Yeah. Because she faces terrifying demons basically and does it on a regular basis to help people. So you can understand why she maybe decided to take a break from it. Yeah.

[00:11:22] Which is where we find her at the beginning. Yeah. So I assume, yeah, we're going to start with Elise. We've kind of already. But yeah, we'll jump over a lot of stuff, but we do that anyway and that's fine. Yeah.

[00:11:33] Now to tie it together, of course, like you mentioned the first time we see her is with Quinn showing up at her door going to her through a recommendation. Quinn's missing her mom who passed away to cancer and she's trying to reach out and she's wanting this connection.

[00:11:49] And Elise does have this ability. We've seen that through two other movies. Yeah. But you mentioned she stopped because this aggression of the spirits that are in the further, especially the black bride, the woman in black Parker Crane. Yes. Let's just talk about how amazing. Amazing. Amazing. Yeah.

[00:12:16] Because those continued these spirits have connected to her to kind of tracking her this connection, especially Parker Crane, where her life is in danger. So she is out. But but after talking to Quinn, who travel all this way to come see her with this desperation and she just

[00:12:35] lost her husband and to see Quinn kind of going through this loss and reaching for something, this grief is just making her really want to connect. She feels for her and there's this kinship there. So she decides to make an exception for her. Mm hmm.

[00:12:53] And so she does doesn't go so well. The other spirits still are there. There's something connected with Quinn and then we'll get to that and I'm going to skip over so much. You are, but it's OK because we will circle back to it.

[00:13:09] When Quinn leaves Elise because Elise does try to help her. She says to her if you call out to one of the dead, all of them can hear you and she basically says don't try to do it by yourself anymore.

[00:13:26] Which we kids in movies obviously are going to do what they're not supposed to do. Not going to listen to to war like that. So the next time we see Elise is while she's in bed and she gets the messages from from elsewhere

[00:13:43] that Quinn Brenner is in trouble and against her fear she decides to help. There was one little thing I noticed. Of course with with Elise laying there in bed. It's just like one of those little things was like nobody sleeps under their blankets in movies and TV shows.

[00:13:57] And it's such a weird common occurrence and it drives me a little crazy. Like not obviously not every single movie and TV show, but it's like enough to where it's very noteworthy that when I'm watching things and people just lay down

[00:14:10] on their beds and go to sleep and I'm like what? Why do you do that? Why? First thing I do is get under the covers, pull them up around me and get all snuggling. I love the covers. Like I feel like I could go back,

[00:14:24] like would take way too much time and I don't care enough. But like for every movie I've ever seen, like if you go back and watch scenes of people getting in bed, like you could probably notice quite a, you know,

[00:14:38] big amount of them that just lay down on top of their covers and go to sleep and it's like. That's kind of defeating the purpose of having covers. Is it? Why do they do it in movies? And like, is it? Is it like for some kind of?

[00:14:53] I don't know. Continuity or something? I don't know. I don't know. But I think that maybe we can start. Let's start tracking it with the movies that we cover and see if it's a thing. Let's see if it's a thing, Pink.

[00:15:07] Let's see if your thought on it is really a thing. Right. Going forward. Others right in. Have you noticed that? Is it something? Is it just one of my weird? Quirks. It's not really a quirk, but yeah. Pet peeve.

[00:15:26] Yeah, that's just things that I noticed that nobody else does. That's what I do. Anyway, so at least deciding to help against her own kind of judgment and decision and fear tries to reach out to Lily again and somebody does show up.

[00:15:42] But it's like, hey, you're not Lily. You weren't you weren't invited. You breathless ghoul. What are you doing here? Quit leaving your gunk prints all over my floor and the wall. Gross. You stole my key and my necklace. You got into my stuff.

[00:15:58] You broke my lights. Bad spirit, bad bad spirit. Think about what you do. She needs like a little spray bottle. No, yes, yes, I agree. The spray bottle would be great. I mean, she did say show yourself and he did. So can you really learn?

[00:16:13] Oh, but he was so creepy. Right. Oh, my God. And the noise like the noise from the breathing machine. It's just like, oh, man. I was trying to like figure out what to like refer to him as

[00:16:26] and we'll get because I've even got a section of just like the entities and stuff. And it's like he's credited as and I was like, the man who can't breathe. Yeah, that's way too long for me to type into my notes all the time.

[00:16:37] So then I would just like a brief yet. It was like TMWC of TVCB or there's a man for most of the time. I was just capitalized on man and we know who I'm talking about. Or I think I called him McBreedy at one point.

[00:16:53] McBreedy. Yeah. Oh, my God. Hey, you don't watch Grey's Anatomy. No, I don't. But that's how they they referred to a couple of characters on there is McDreamy and McSteamy. So that's I'm just kind of like, OK. McAsmah. McAsmah. McBronchitis.

[00:17:20] I don't I call them the demon just because I got tired of writing the man who can't breathe. Yeah. So a lot of the man or TVCB. You know what? Something that's kind of cool about that is we want to have wanted

[00:17:38] the appearance of that demon to be kind of like the sloth victim that was in the movie Seven. So he went out and hired the same actor. Nice. You know, it's what you do, right? Right. It's what you do.

[00:17:53] So many things like I want a this person type and then it's like, well, how about just that person? Yeah. But yeah, so then a lot of things happen and Sean Brenner, Quinn's father ends up back over to Lisa's place the next time we see her

[00:18:11] and they're having a conversation about what can be done. What do we need to do? He's desperate and reaching out to help. So he's thinking, well, I think they don't show it. It's all off screen, but I could imagine the conversation between Sean

[00:18:22] and Quinn being very much like, you said you went to this psychic. Give me your address now. Yeah. She started this shit. I'm bringing her back in. Let's go. You have to imagine and I have some notes on Sean,

[00:18:36] Quinn's father, too, and his whole arc in this movie, but at least goes and tries to help. And then she gets terrified again and says, no, there's nothing I can do for you. Yeah, which before that, though, when Sean's over there talking,

[00:18:57] I had to make notes, of course, for those who watch the movies in order, which you should, I don't know how many people would watch this one without seeing the first two. But, you know, at least it's mentioning about, you know, she's going in there

[00:19:09] and like her big fear is because the woman, this woman in black, bride, the bride that keeps finding her. And, you know, because she went into search for her husband after he passed away and the woman found her.

[00:19:22] And of course, we, as mentioned, know this woman to be Parker Crane, who blames Elise for taking Josh away from him. And so now that he's tracked her down and telling her that I'm going to kill you, I will be the one I will kill you this way.

[00:19:36] This and at least says I believe her. If I keep doing this, I'm going to be killed by this entity. And yeah, she was exactly as she said, it did happen exactly just like that. Yeah.

[00:19:55] Yeah. So it's that same thing when she goes over to the Quinn's, as you mentioned, she goes into this dark place the further whatever you want to call it. There goes by a couple of different names in this movie. And she's trying to, I guess, confront the man,

[00:20:07] the even here for Quinn. And she can just we'll sit down and have a little meeting and I'll see if we can, you know, come up with a solution. Meet in the middle somewhere now. With some tea. Yes, let's have some tea and some little cakes.

[00:20:22] We'll have a little discussion. Yeah, it's probably not going to be that civil. Probably just cast him out and get it right. Yes, basically. I still don't really know how she does that, but she does it. But she does find some other stuff in there, some other spirits,

[00:20:38] including a red door, more of an elevator. Yes. Takes that form. But that's on purpose. That's totally on purpose. Like they that there's also like a red archway under that Quinn walks under when she's going to visit Elise's house at the beginning.

[00:20:57] It's kind of that tie into this entire franchise. Yeah. But she goes through that elevator door into you say into the further, but she's in the further the whole time, but it's kind of this like real black space in the other movies.

[00:21:13] Yeah. Yeah. She goes real deep in there. And she finds a house there and I was trying to figure out what house is that? Is it the Lambert's house? Is it Josh's childhood home?

[00:21:22] But the more I watched it, I think it is supposed to be the Lambert's house. It's almost because we know the further is kind of outside of time as we know it. We use the time loops in City is Two towards almost the bride, the Parker Crane,

[00:21:39] using what's coming in the future to mess with her because we see what makes me go, OK, this is the Lambert house is because as Crane finds her, he's strangling her to death in this exact same chair that she will actually be murdered in later,

[00:21:56] but in a previous movie time. The way that this the series plays with time. Yeah. It can get a little confusing, which I think it's if we watch them in order of when they happened, then this would be the first movie that I think you'd watch. Second. Last.

[00:22:17] Like, yeah. Yeah. So you'd watch the last key, then you'd watch this. But also the second movie does play a lot into like there's flashbacks of it does. So, yeah. But I think. Like with the Purge series and the way that we're going through those

[00:22:32] were going through them in the order that they. Chronologically happened in this case with this franchise, I think you have to watch one and two before you get to this one because there are things that you kind of need to know. Absolutely.

[00:22:48] And they jump all around with time. Yeah. And so at least, as you mentioned, she can't do it. She's really struggling with the situation. So then we see her out at a restaurant. She calls to her old friend, Reg. Sorry, Carl. Yeah, you know that too.

[00:23:07] Steve Coulter. Yeah. Yep. Reg Monroe. Yeah. So I say she saves him for special occasions. I say. But it just needs that pep talk. Like what what do I do here? I need to help, but I just can't.

[00:23:23] And he reminds her of this calling she has her abilities. She saves Josh. She can save Quinn. She can do it. You're you're stronger than she is. You're alive. Yeah, that seems to be the ongoing thing that she remembers.

[00:23:40] And so yeah, we see the next time that at least encounters Crane. She's reminded of that strength and is able to hold him off. Yeah, like that you bring it, bitch. I love that. And Crane just against the wall.

[00:23:57] So Crane just backs off and it's like she's very strong right now. And it's like, we'll continue this later at a different time when you're a little more worn down from some other things going on. Yeah. She kind of the bride kind of skulks away,

[00:24:16] like, you know, sulk and goes around the corner and kind of. Almost has this like pennywise frown. Yeah. It's like, oh, yeah. Just kind of, you know, disappears into the background like, oh, this isn't the time, but I'll be back.

[00:24:33] Like you said, when you're worn down a little bit more, I'll I'll be back to finish you off. And after that, at least also encounters what appears to be her late husband. Jack, yes. Yeah, but turns out to be a insidious

[00:24:50] wink, wink ploy by the man who cannot breathe pretending to be her husband in order to do what he does with the living and haunt them, mess with them. And even if he can't possess them like he does with Quinn,

[00:25:05] we hear from another victim, he has a way of getting into people's heads. And yes, convincing themselves to take their own life. Really, in order just to he, as Elise says, he wants to take the living and instead of take their place in the light,

[00:25:18] he just wants to pull them into the darkness with them. And so he has that conversation with her, which is very dark. But luckily, Elise is way too smart for that. As soon as that kind of conversation starts, she sees right through him

[00:25:33] and knows exactly what this is. She's like, my Jack would never. Ever ask me to do that. Like, that's just not something that he would do. So she knows. But I don't think this is a very good way for the man who can't breathe to be making friends.

[00:25:50] Mm hmm. No. Has he tried bumble? I don't know. He might he might do that. Does that still exist? I think I've never said that. I think so. Me either. But yeah, and then this like other spirit, what you think is another

[00:26:12] like entity, demon spirit, this featureless girl missing eyes and mouth and hands and feet that's crawling after Quinn earlier in the movie, which like that's terrifying. But then here we realize that is the half of Quinn's soul that the man already had. Yes.

[00:26:31] So Elise takes her and tries to reunite reunite the two halves to save Quinn. And some things happen that require the Brenner family dynamic and Quinn that we'll talk about, but it's kind of one of those. We're going to yada, yada, yada.

[00:26:47] It is like so I've got to save this soul and everything seem hopeless. Anyway, one thing leads to another. Quinn is back. The Brenners are fine. They have the closure that they need. And Elise isn't afraid to continue using her gift anymore.

[00:27:01] She, like I said, this kind of obligation, this calling, she realizes that she does owe it to to use what she has to make things better for other people. And she also has a new team now. And the dream team was born. We'll talk about them.

[00:27:23] But yeah, and then, of course, at the very end, seeing that even though all things seem bright and sunny and happy, Elise is still being tracked and leached onto by some dark entities, including some new ones who might have found her through her travels and different things,

[00:27:38] including our riffle award winning black and red scary boy. Yes, the amazing Joseph Bishara, who also did all of the music for this movie like he did with the others. And the music is like right off the bat again. I think I've mentioned this in every movie.

[00:28:00] Those strings that like insidious theme music is, you know what it is when you hear them. So good, but it gives you those goosebumps and so creepy, but it's so good. Like even I just let the credits roll when this movie ends because it's

[00:28:13] start like it's real creepy. That theme really gets pulled like played out and stretched out. And it's just yeah. Oh, it's unsettling, but I love it. Yeah, I love this kind of group that is in charge of this whole movie franchise like with Lee Wan-El and just,

[00:28:34] you know, you've got Joseph Bishara who does the music and just the different like Blumhouse, which we've talked about. Can be hit or miss. It's not missed with this. Definitely not miss with this. And more more hits as of late.

[00:28:50] We've talked about like with doing Megan and some other movies that have come out that tour like what's the newest one that just came out Night Swim? Yeah, that one I'm not sure. I haven't seen it yet. Yeah, I've seen the previews and I'm like again with Blumhouse.

[00:29:06] It's like they took one like little kind of idea that on the surface is like that could be interesting, but can you make a whole movie out of that? What's the actual point? What's the story? What's the tale we're telling?

[00:29:21] And just because we got that with Megan, OK, AI doll. What teller? Well, but what story are we really telling with that? And then watching it, you're like, OK, I get it. And so I haven't seen it yet. I think I will.

[00:29:34] It's not like a Blumhouse is still not a run to theaters thing for me. But but definitely keep an eye on these releases. So maybe we'll have to do that one because Smile was also one of those, right? Yeah. Smile was Blumhouse.

[00:29:49] Yeah, where it's like again, it's like it's just a very simple concept. But then it's for them to throw their own kind of stuff into it and make it worthwhile and they've been doing pretty good with that. So I'm curious. I'm looking up another movie.

[00:30:05] There's another movie that's coming out called Abigail and it's not Blumhouse, but it's just making me all the everything we've been talking about so far is just making me think about that one because I've seen like ads for it.

[00:30:18] And I'm like, I think that could be a good one for us to cover. Whenever it comes out, it's coming out somewhat soon, I think. So one thing we didn't talk about is Elise's dog. Did you catch the dog's name?

[00:30:35] She said it a bunch, but I didn't ever write it down. Yeah, Warren. That's a nod to Ed and Lorraine Warren. Yeah. Yeah. Which we still need to do the conjuring at some point. I think we'll get through these first and then we'll.

[00:30:50] We will. And then we go to the conjuring. Yeah, there's so many, so many movies. But yeah, no, that makes sense. I like that. Yeah, I didn't really catch that while watching. But yeah. Yeah. And the dog kind of like just gives her these looks

[00:31:09] that make her realize in the first place that she should go and see Quinn. And that kind of helped push things in that direction. Yeah. And we learned we talked about Jack. Jack actually killed himself. Yeah. Which I think was making it even more difficult for Elise

[00:31:31] because she was, I think because of the nature of his death, she had to go to the dark places because she probably assumed he wasn't in a place full of light. Yeah. So do you have anything else on Elise? I don't. So Elise did say at one point,

[00:31:49] I thought this quote was interesting, loving someone is delayed pain. Eventually you're going to lose them one way or another. Yeah. And I think that's probably you know, related to her loss of her husband and. Yeah, it's it's a very pessimistic way of looking at things.

[00:32:11] However, for somebody who's been recently through pain, it's an understandable way of looking at things. And it's something to that, yeah, I mean, it makes sense. But yeah, because it's true. I mean, I think of, you know, all the people closest to me

[00:32:27] that I've lost and it's just like you do have those thoughts like where it's just like when I have really good times with somebody when I'm really close to somebody and I'm like, but what if they die one day? And it's like, what is all this worth

[00:32:38] because then it's just going to hurt even more because of the connection. And so you do have those thoughts and. But then there's the optimistic way of looking at the other side is like, yeah, but then after somebody's gone. Then it's not really you're not delaying that pain.

[00:32:54] Then what you're doing is you're. Stretching out the joy even when they're gone because you have so many more things in memories to look back on. Exactly. You have the memories, the experiences that you have and.

[00:33:07] It those are things that, you know, you have to look at the trade off. Sometimes when, because I have ferrets as pets and their lifespan is very short. And one of the things that goes around amongst the people

[00:33:23] that I know that have ferrets is that the best gift we give to them is being able to let go at the end. And I think. You have to look at, you know, life as a whole as being

[00:33:38] it's it's a journey and the people that you surround yourself with and the ones that you're close to. Sure, you could push them away and not want to have them in your life because you're afraid that, oh, well, what's going to happen if I lose them?

[00:33:54] Well, you have to hold on to those memories like those memories will fuel you and make you feel. Good, like they will. You can feel the joy in all of the things that you experienced together. And so I would rather deal with the pain.

[00:34:14] And have the memories then to push people out and build a wall around myself. Absolutely. That was kind of deep. Yeah, we went to a deep place on that. I was capable of that sometimes people don't we are.

[00:34:30] I just wasn't expecting it, I guess we're capable of having actual thoughts and deep conversations. Yeah, movie fun. Yeah, we're worth something. Right. So now I think that we should move on to Quinn because she's kind of the protagonist.

[00:34:54] Part of her, her story and at least a story are intertwined. Yeah. So I think now it's time to really get into the meat. Yeah, which I really just threw the Brenner family all into one thing.

[00:35:07] And even have Sean really is a separate because it's a lot of it is this family dynamic. And then Alex, it's the little brother. He's he's the foster of this movie. It's like he's there. But like. But I like him. Is he though? I mean, really?

[00:35:24] I thought he was fantastic. He's the one who finds Tucker and Specs. Yeah, he's like trying to defend them when his dad goes on a rampage. And I think he supports his sister. Like I think he's a good little brother. Yeah, yeah, there are worse movie little brothers.

[00:35:43] And yes, absolutely. He's one of the good ones, I guess. Yeah. He's. But yeah, so these Brenners again, we've talked about Quinn going and talking to Elise, which again, it just got really ominous and scary. I think it's not what she was expecting or bargaining for, you know?

[00:35:59] I feel like she's feeling like leaving Elise's house. She's like, I just wanted a little peace of mind and connection with my mom. I didn't want a bunch of super terrifying warnings about the dead in the realm of the dead. Like that's not what I was here for.

[00:36:12] Well, you have to think if you're Quinn and you start having these weird things happening that maybe it's all psychological because you've just gotten into your head about Elise's warnings. But yeah, not really. Not that's not what happened with Quinn.

[00:36:30] She she had some real serious issues to deal with. Yeah, and I was I was trying to figure out where exactly does the connection to the man this entity really begin? And I wonder if it's kind of what I put together and it could be wrong

[00:36:46] is because we see Elise telling Quinn do not reach out to your mother anymore on your own. And I don't know was Elise's failed attempt at reaching to Lily. Did that make it worse? Is that really what kind of blew things out of proportions where it was like

[00:37:03] I went in and I may have opened up some more doors that made it more dangerous for you. It might be my fault a little bit and maybe mixed with Quinn's desire to connect with her mom while there is an insidious entity also there

[00:37:17] that can use that that desperate need for connection to lure her in and to connect and latch on to. But then I also think that maybe Elise's part did make it worse. I think OK, so I think initially Quinn's contact or reaching out started

[00:37:39] like a little tear in the rift and then Elise kind of punched a hole in. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Yeah. And I mean, we have I mean, we've talked before about grief on this show when you're looking at someone who is 17, 18 years old,

[00:37:58] has lost their parent, one of their parents. There is grief that you get over losing a parent that is so difficult to explain. And so I related to her in this movie because I. Went through similar things myself like you do because you can't just

[00:38:19] pick up a phone and call someone or see somebody and talk to them because they're just not there anymore. And they're such a big force in your life. So I related to her in that respect, but I do believe and agree with you.

[00:38:33] I think Elise punched a hole and made it worse. And I'm glad that she cleaned up her mess because I would not have wanted something to happen to Quinn. Yeah. And yeah, Quinn, I like the character of Quinn. She's a little quirky, artsy, creative type. Different ways.

[00:38:59] I mean, the first thing you see her wearing this pixies tank and you're like, OK, well, you got great taste of music. And I'm looking at like the posters and stuff on her walls. It's like, all right, well, yeah. I like that. She's cool.

[00:39:09] Yeah, she's got a blog where she's taking food pictures, maybe a little. You know what? You do you. I'm a big foodie too. I don't really I say I don't really take pictures. I do in you. So I do. I don't have a blog though.

[00:39:23] I just have Instagram. But don't you remember that was a big thing? Yeah, like food pictures for some people are a really big thing. And then what? Yeah, I mean, she's a theater kid also. So it's like that very artsy creative side where she's auditioning

[00:39:41] to go to a theater school in New York and she's got like posters. She's got like a midsummer night's dream poster on her wall and all these things. I don't I don't think I knew very many 16, 17, 18 year old. Girls, you know, not to like.

[00:39:59] You know, make generalizations on gender, but like. Because I knew some like guy friends, but like I don't know in like high school, many girls who are like, oh yeah, I'm going to sit up and be reading Clockwork Orange. Like that's not exactly. That's not OK.

[00:40:14] A Clockwork Orange is not a little light reading. Right. OK. It's not. That stuff is going to keep you up at night. So as we see that maybe she has more of this connection to some of the other kind of realms and worlds out there

[00:40:32] because her brain is very open to a lot of things. And she is this very unique and quirky person. Getting ready for school. Yeah, I do have one note like with Alex. I was like, yeah, her like waking him up.

[00:40:46] I was like, yeah, that is just classic young boy before school. I have been there. I've been him. And also I have two younger brothers. So I've been on her side of this exchange too. Many mornings, many times. So you were you were a young boy once.

[00:41:00] Who to thought, right? It's crazy. Yeah. And then of course, when his dad, when Sean is going back in there to like get him ready, you know, show him that ass whooping face. He's he's watching a video online and I wonder who he's watching.

[00:41:20] Wink, wink, nod, nod, you know. We get back to that later. A few familiar faces that we know and love. But then Quinn takes off goes to her audition, which. She sees there. She's asking if her mom's there, which I guess she was.

[00:41:39] But also what she's seeing is this other spirit. The waving guy. That's what I called them at first because it's just waving. This this entity that has attached itself to her. And maybe that gets in her head a little bit. I mean, she's more confused than anything.

[00:41:55] But there's just a lot going on to where she kind of blows her audition for James Wan. So yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's not every day that you get to audition for James Wan. Just saying. It's a big deal. It's funny, you know, you hear his voice

[00:42:11] and then it cuts over to him and I was like, James Wan, I forgot he's in this. Yeah. It's all he had time for because he was busy. I think he was making a Fast and the Furious movie at the same time.

[00:42:22] So he didn't have time to do like the directing like he did. He did Fast Seven. Yeah. There's so many of those and I haven't seen a single one. Which I remember when that was a thing, I remember when it was announced that he was directing.

[00:42:38] I think it was the seventh one. Was it five? Either way, one of them. But when he was doing one of the Fast movies, I was like, really? James Wan, I was like, like insidious and dead silence. James Wan. Yeah. Oh, OK. Yeah.

[00:42:58] Yeah, it doesn't make sense because you think about it. There's not going to be any knives and I don't know, spirits and craziness. Yeah, there's none. I don't think there's any of that in there. I couldn't tell you because I haven't seen a single one.

[00:43:16] Ben could tell us. I've seen all of them. You have. I am. I didn't think that that would be. Well, now you like everything anyway. Yeah. Afterwards, yeah, Quinn's already kind of distracted by her disappointment and blowing the audition

[00:43:33] and then this creepy waving old man in an oxygen mask. It just distracts her a little bit more enough to get hit by a car. There's like, it's like there's nobody out there. It's like you just. I think the driver is a little bit at fault.

[00:43:49] The man in the oxygen mask was driving the car. No. You know, I don't know, but I can tell you this. I forgot about it. Like, I forgot that she gets hit by a car. So when it happened, I jumped because I wasn't prepared for it.

[00:44:08] It was a surprise. Yeah. But then that's where we see kind of the difference. You mentioned it earlier with the astral projection. I made that kind of joke and that's where we get a lot of the connection in the other movies.

[00:44:20] But yeah, where this one's different is Quinn isn't an astral projector. No. But because of this, this accident where she gets hit by a car, it is a near death experience. She does slip away. She is dying in the hospital after and they're able to bring her back.

[00:44:36] But within that little bit of limbo where she was, you know, her spirit had drifted from her body like astral projection, but it's a little different. But we know what can happen when somebody does things like that in these movies. She's kind of in this limbo in between.

[00:44:53] It's not a lipstick faced demon or a black crane in a black dress, but she's unwillingly made a dark spiritual companion of her own in some way even deeper. Yeah. Yeah. He's kind of latched on and taken half of her.

[00:45:07] At least that's what at least summarizes later is that that's when half of her became ingratiated into the world of the man, the man, the man who can't breathe. Yeah. And she's back home and kind of getting set up. Grace, the elderly neighbor,

[00:45:31] just has some real creepy shit to her about the man who can't breathe waiting for her in her room. And I'm like, just keep that shit to yourself. Oh, man. I don't know why that you're not helping anybody by telling him that.

[00:45:43] I felt like Grace was going to mean more in this movie than she did. Mm-hmm. Even the little bit she means later, it's not enough for me. I feel like there should be more. She was just like the little piece of the puzzle that Lee

[00:45:57] Warnell needed to be like, how do we get this information across? How does this make sense? There's this lady. That'll take her. Yeah. I guess. Yeah. Also, Quinn Hector very clearly has a crush on you, like accept it. Yes. I think she has though. Yeah. No.

[00:46:16] At first no. She did. At first she's kind of like, when Alex is giving her some trouble about it or her friend, I forget her friend's name, Hailey Keogh. Maggie. But yeah. Maggie. Yeah. It's kind of giving like, oh and Hector.

[00:46:30] And she's at first she's just like, no, he doesn't love me. Like it's not this thing. It's like just accept it. But then it's- He does. She does. And they're banging on the walls. Like they have some sort of communication where they knock on the walls together.

[00:46:45] I don't know how the relationship goes after this movie. No. I don't accept all that much, but- No. No, but I mean she's laying in bed- But if you assume that that's what happens later in their lives, that's fine.

[00:46:55] She's laying in bed and she bangs on the wall with her hand. She does to kind of like, I get the feeling that they've done that before. Like she knocks on the wall with her fist

[00:47:12] and then there's knocking back and I get the feeling that it's the two of them. Like that's communication. I think my joke went like- No, it did not. Okay. I know exactly where you were going and what you were thinking. Yes.

[00:47:26] And I wanted to point out what I actually meant, not just what your joke is. Okay. But yeah, as she said, we'll talk Hector stuff. I didn't of course make a note though, of course that Sean really doesn't seem to know his daughter very well right now. No.

[00:47:43] He seems pretty checked out of her life. I can't hold too much blame. Yeah, again he is a grieving newly single parent through, you know, unfortunate way who's just trying to hold things together after his wife's death. So like you can't blame him too much for- No.

[00:48:04] He's in his own dark space right now. He is. But I really think at times because he was in that place, his expectation of her was a lot. I mean it was a lot. I mean she even says at one point,

[00:48:20] my father just expects me to stay here and raise my brother. And that's not really okay. Like as a parent, you kind of- When you have kids, you kind of I think have to pull yourself out of there and back to the real world.

[00:48:40] But you know, I get that it would be really difficult because you're trying to just keep it together for yourself and for the kids but in the meantime you're kind of driving your daughter away a little bit because of what you're expecting out of her.

[00:48:58] Like she's going to- She's doing the grocery shopping. And it's like that's just a lot. I think that family had just been through so much. And at first I was kind of like, you know, you're expecting a lot out of her.

[00:49:15] But then by the end of the movie, I'm like, he really loves his kids and he loves his family. And I think honestly this pulled him out of where he was. Yeah. And he needed that so much. Yeah.

[00:49:29] And then the senior talking about the tapping on the walls between them. It is a good thing Quinn seems to again with this kind of quirkiness of her has a pretty dark sense of humor because Hector writing you're a traffic stopper, a real traffic stopper on her cast.

[00:49:47] It's gold. It's great. It is amazing. But only for the right personality. Certain people wouldn't take to that as well but I'm like it's a good thing. And again, it's like yeah, like you said, I'm sure there has been quite a

[00:49:59] blossoming friendship between them in some capacities because he would know her well enough to be like, this is okay. I love that she's like as a sign of the times, she's using a T-Mobile sidekick. Old tech alert. But yeah, that was really unsettling scene.

[00:50:26] You take a really cute moment and turned it into abject horror, right? With the knocking on the walls and flirting with Hector a little bit. Only to then get the text reveal that he's not even home.

[00:50:39] And then things get like super uneasy as you're just waiting there because you see her like sitting with that. And then just like her, you're waiting in this stillness and silence anticipating. What's coming next? And then boom, there's an arm.

[00:50:55] You know, I do wonder though if the tapping was her mother at any point. Like that part. It might have been. The nicer part of it really was because we do learn later on that like Lily, her mother is there also is trying to form this connection.

[00:51:11] At the same time, it's not just the evil entity but I don't know. And you know what? This thing is up to some bad stuff. The man who can't breathe doesn't strike me as the tapping type. He's much more an in your face and over the top type.

[00:51:29] Tapping seems a little too much. Subtle tea is not really his thing. No, no, no. So I do wonder about that too. Like that's interesting. More banging from upstairs in another separate form, another different kind.

[00:51:45] With the cracks in the ceiling and all of that, which we see that those things are all very real even in this realm of existence because Sean sees the cracks forming and takes Ernesto up to the apartment above to investigate. Well, that actually wasn't Ernesto.

[00:52:02] That was the super. I thought it was the same person. In his name, I think is Mel. No, they look like the same person to me in the dark. In the dark, yes, maybe, but his name was Mel because I thought it was Ernesto also.

[00:52:16] And I'm like, wait a minute. Is that him? I just assumed it was the same person. I was like, Hector's dad is also the supervisor of the building. Got it. Moving on. So I guess not. But Sean and the mystery man go upstairs to investigate.

[00:52:33] And yes, the wet footprints on the floor and under the bed are all there for them to see. It's very eerie. Still, we never knew what that was. I wondered if we were going to get more backstory on this entity.

[00:52:45] And why does he wear an oxygen mask and wire, though weird tar, goopy footprints? And we got none of that. And I guess it's fine. Well, I mean, we basically learned that he lived there a long time ago. That's all we really get. Yes, it's about it.

[00:53:00] You know, and then, and that he used to get into people's heads and get them to commit suicide that we learned. But that's it. But things escalate quite rapidly. Yes. From here.

[00:53:15] I mean, you got an hour and 37 minutes of a movie like let's kick it up with Quinn waking up in her wheelchair upstairs. And then the man, the entity behind her grabbing her the chair and bringing her into the other apartment above theirs.

[00:53:32] And then again, this other thing that's up there, which turns out to be the other half of her soul, which that's just terrifying as his own thing. Luckily, Sean gets home in time to hear her screaming and runs up there. And he doesn't see anyone.

[00:53:46] No, but he does see anything. I mean, the footprints are still there. So that's some kind of proof we get them leading to the broken window. And he looks out and does see the body of the man laid out on the sidewalk down there.

[00:53:59] But then when Quinn looks it grabs her. So yeah, things ramping up quite fast. And that's what was like. And then Sean immediately goes to Elise. Like the next scene is him knocking on the door.

[00:54:11] But it's like there's that scene that doesn't exist in between where he's like, who the hell was this psychic? Take me to her now because this. Yeah, he I think trusts his daughter. He believes her. He knows it's something.

[00:54:28] There's something going on and he believes he's invested enough that he's going to start doing his own detective work because he knows his daughter's life is at risk and he has to do something like any parent is going to do for their child.

[00:54:41] They're going to pull out all the stops and do what they can. Yeah. So he goes to see Elise. And then, yeah, Elise, that stuff doesn't work. And then there's the specs and Tucker stuff, which again, I've got like

[00:54:58] they've kind of their own little section to talk about their adventure, their attempt. They're amazing. They're amazing. You know, he's trying things and then Elise shows back up and she's got a plan of attack. She's more prepared. This is insidious.

[00:55:16] So obviously you send the younger sibling or siblings away. That's what we do. That's a rule of insidious. It's a rule of insidious. You're right. All right, Alex, it's time for us to pretend you don't exist for the rest of the movie. Step on out.

[00:55:27] But he was great. Like just before that, he was like, I'm like, okay, little dude, you are good. You are a good little brother. And then we talked about Elise here kind of going in and all the things that she did.

[00:55:44] But then to end that is kind of we'll circle back because I said, you know, she grabs this other half of Quinn's soul. And then I was like, and then yada, yada, yada, one thing ends and then happily thereafter.

[00:55:54] So now we'll go back to the yada, yadas where Elise does take that soul, that spirit over, you know, back and Elise gets back into her body. But then McBreathy nabs Quinn at the last second.

[00:56:11] So now Elise is back, but then Quinn wasn't able to get back and it's all hope seems lost. And then we get kind of these weird, let's throw things together and make it make sense.

[00:56:20] Which is not too much of a complaint because it works well in what we're doing with the story. You know, Grace had passed away a couple days before. So now she's there and she she's nosy as hell, even as a ghost, which is good for people.

[00:56:33] You know, because she's she's like, oh, I it's like, I've been dead for three days and I already know that this lady's sending the notes through the diary. You know, she's in everyone's business. Yes.

[00:56:46] And so she's speaking to Elise to give her these ideas of here's what we need to do. And then through that Elise speaks back out to Lily and pulls in the heavy reinforcements.

[00:56:58] Yeah, Lily had been reaching out to Quinn and so I still wonder if the knocking probably was likely her. But you know, we've seen this parasite latched onto Quinn's desire to connect. So Lily is here. Yeah, you bring in the big guns and Lily is there.

[00:57:15] The light what's gonna because we see earlier this this creature like entity demon man McBree the closing all the windows and the doors and the laptop like he thrives on darkness. And so I think he also thrives on isolation and cutting the person off from anything.

[00:57:34] Yeah, and anyone that they connect with. Yeah. And so it's kind of this one two punch of Lily being this ultimate connection that Quinn has been looking for. And also you can tell she's coming from this realm of light. Yes.

[00:57:49] And that's so visible and so beautiful and bright like the whole picture of them like a force ghost. But yeah, but she comes in and she's able to give Quinn the strength that she needs.

[00:58:12] And then it's a pretty powerful thing is like you see her whispering into her ear and there's like this like kind of ghostly figure in the further. But then it goes back to Elise doing her thing and that the group circled around holding Quinn's hands.

[00:58:26] And then as it circles around you just get this quick appearance this reveal that Lily is there in the circle with them. And it's a really powerful visual. It is. And that's when Quinn comes back and then Lily's there to kind of speak to her at the release

[00:58:41] and we get that closure like I mentioned that they really needed which surprisingly Quinn's first words weren't. Ah, holy shit my legs they fucking hurt a whole lot. What the hell is happening? I think that would be mine because what we didn't mention is because of the accident

[00:59:00] Quinn had both of her legs in casts when the demon possessed her she broke them off. Yeah. And she'd only had them on there for three like three weeks at the time.

[00:59:15] And you can see as the demon is trying to walk that it's not real easy because the legs are pretty messed up. Watching that process. You think her first words would just be screaming about the agony that she's in but no

[00:59:31] she's oh that's maybe she doesn't feel it as much as she's sitting. Yeah. I don't know. It's like okay well if you try to stand up you're gonna be in horrendous pain. It's gonna happen. You're gonna want drugs. It's gonna it's gotta happen.

[00:59:52] Yeah but yeah that's pretty much it where that ends there at least for my notes what I've got. Yeah I think that that's really good. I think we've already talked about one of my things which was about her dad and

[01:00:09] his reliance on her since her mom died to just kind of be running the household kind of I guess and it's not a role she wants. But I do agree with what I said a little bit ago that I think that this experience brought him

[01:00:28] back into the world of being a dad and less of a person who's just hanging on. Yeah. Which is kind of where he was before because he was so he was just trying to keep everything going and he just couldn't I mean it's almost like

[01:00:48] you're going so fast that you can't you don't even know if something's working or not you're just trying to get it done and move on. I think that's kind of how it looks from his perspective. So who do you want to talk about now, Paik?

[01:01:05] I've just got a couple of notes about specs and Tucker. This group seeing them this tag team of epic proportions back again. Always great to see them and of course we talked about the way that they get brought in

[01:01:21] is Alex is a fan of this spectral sightings team aka Tucker and specs and you know if Elise is unable to do something then maybe these guys can it's just him coming up with an idea. He's included. He's got an idea he's got something.

[01:01:37] Yeah he's trying to help because there just doesn't seem to be any direction. Sean can't figure out what to do. Yeah. So they come in and in classic style it's like they're the two characters that come in it's

[01:01:50] like all right these are the people that we called to help. Mm-hmm. Where's the cameras? Ashton Kutcher where are you? Yeah I mean Tucker is always snacking on something when he's introducing himself to people it's hot pockets, pop tarts now he's got a cupcake.

[01:02:10] But he was also rocking a mohawk. Yeah. Okay I forgot about that. Yeah. And they're dressed way down because this is not how we see them in the first movies.

[01:02:21] They've got like a white shirt and a black tie they look like they were auditioning for men in black. Yeah specs has his Casper hoodie which I love that it's fun. But yeah they decided to help out and set up their stuff for an overnight there

[01:02:38] and they're in for way way way more than they ever bargained for right? They've never experienced anything like this. They've done all their videos and all the things you know they've reported on. They've never encountered a ghost or a spirit like this ever. Right.

[01:02:56] Like it's just not something they've done. Should have been like a red flag when Alex was like oh I love this episode that episode when you did this and this and there was like oh yeah that was some of our best editing skills we've ever done. Oh boy.

[01:03:09] Uh why? But I'm glad that they were pulled into this because we get the dream team that we've all been waiting for. Yeah yeah because we see and we talked about a little bit you mentioned because Quinn is

[01:03:21] up in the middle of the night which with two broken legs shouldn't happen that doesn't make sense but then we see yeah the man who can't breathe has finally taken full possession

[01:03:30] of her for this time and really his only goal was to take possession of her so that he could have her kill herself right in front of her father it's just this thriving off of pain and feeding off of darkness pulling the living into the dark

[01:03:44] because he's like all right cool I pull her in and then what kind of spiral does that set Sean onto and then he can be my next victim and I can latch on to that depression and that pain.

[01:03:54] Exactly because that's what he feeds on as you said the fear, depression, angst, anxiety, frustration, sadness. Yeah those are all music to his ears. Mm-hmm and then so that whole possession scene is just like super intense.

[01:04:13] We get you know leg bones cracking, yikes eyeballs in throats not fun. Oh my god that's so freaky and she you know what she was like bashing them with wrench Tucker and Specs were like getting beat on too and oh man and she grabs a box cutter

[01:04:33] or he inhabiting her body grabs the box cutter. Yeah and then Elise shows up at the right time with Tucker backing into her in the hall and then startling. It cracks me up so hard like I'm laughing so hard out loud watching that because it's just

[01:04:55] I don't know it's just his response of like Sean's yelling at him like get out what are you kind of some internet pranksters what are you doing you know this is real stuff my

[01:05:02] family's in danger and you're here trying to profit and Alex is sitting there trying to like no no no no don't hurt them he was defending them. And then Elise is just there and it's just Tucker's reaction it cracks me up every time I love it.

[01:05:17] It's funny because she's just kind of like you know oh you can stay you might be you know you you might be helpful and she puts them to work she assigns them tasks because

[01:05:28] Tucker is the technology guy and he can make everything work and Spex is the writer so he basically is told to sit down and write everything that she says down. Yeah I love that. She keeps them around for their their skills they're not completely useless

[01:05:45] so yeah we see that's the start of this team that we've got to know and love with these movies luckily through you know and the other first two movies we've watched we know that Spex does get much better at transcribing Elise over a little bit of time.

[01:05:59] He does he does he's a little noisy this time around and Elise has to kind of get him to quiet down now simmer down now to get him to focus on what he's supposed to be doing because at the beginning he's writing

[01:06:16] all these things that he doesn't really need to write down. Yeah. What what we call this realm let's call it the fur I like it well that's a cool name. Yep and and which is a great meta joke being him delivering that line being the like writer of

[01:06:36] these movies it's fun. It is right. Do you think he he must have had a blast writing himself. Yo you know he had to. I mean it's just it's kind of he's great at playing and portraying these like weird

[01:06:55] socially awkward yes as you mentioned Doug from cooties without getting into a specific people haven't seen it go watch go watch it go watch it go. He's hilarious just hilarious yeah it's like what if what if Spex was like three times as socially inept and bad with people.

[01:07:15] Yeah. But I love that Elise tells them at the end that you know they balance each other out and they need each other because I don't know with Spex I don't think it's something

[01:07:29] that's on his mind but I think Tucker really believes that he doesn't probably need Spex at times that he can probably do it by himself but I love that Elise kind of is

[01:07:39] like now you know you guys need each other and I loved the response when she starts talking to them about what they maybe they could dress a little better and when she says shirt and tie might be nice and Tucker's like ain't gonna happen and it's like

[01:07:57] and yet it is. I'm like you saying ain't gonna happen reminds me of just about every guy I know that doesn't like to dress up so it's like okay yeah you say it's not gonna happen but when you need to you do so yeah.

[01:08:16] Yeah anything else on them? I don't think so. Oh one more thing did you notice what the license plate on their van said? No I did not. Spex ticker SPEX TKR it's perfect right? I think they've had that through the other movies.

[01:08:37] Yeah they have but I don't know that we've ever pointed out so yeah that yeah and I only have one other note about it anything it's basically I really got when I was watching it and Sean went down

[01:08:55] into the lobby and was talking to Harry I really every time they were in the lobby got like these vibes of the oval for some reason I don't know why but the patterns on like the rug and the hallway

[01:09:09] for their apartment building definitely give those vibes for sure. That's on purpose yeah yeah I didn't realize that until I was looking into it I'm like oh okay now now I get it because it gave me those vibes so much and then I looked into things and it's

[01:09:25] like okay yeah it makes sense. Yeah I definitely noticed that too I mean just that's in my brain space heavily right now we just covered Dr. Sleep and then for those who listened to the Dr. Sleep episode

[01:09:37] where I mentioned like oh I'm gonna go want to jump back into the shining in Dr. Sleep and read the books since that time has passed since we covered that I have been doing that and I'm like

[01:09:47] almost halfway through the shining right now so yeah so it's definitely in my my head space right now the overlook and all those kind of things because I've been reading it so yeah. I'm glad I'm proud of you because you said you wanted to do it

[01:10:00] and you're doing it so that's awesome. Yeah so uh see any other notes that I have I just pointed out a couple of notes about the the spirits the demons this thing uh which I think I've covered most of them talk about like

[01:10:15] yeah just the music that comes with oh I love the strings and stuff um start the creepy stuff early in the movie small and then let it build it's a classic formula but it works really well

[01:10:27] you know like the first time we really see something happening post accident and you know Quinn is laying there in bed at night and her bell rings real quickly and then so she's like rolls

[01:10:37] over to look at the bell and she's confused and then you see the like figure emerge from the shadows behind her but then that's all you get for them it's like yes you start small build it

[01:10:46] I love it um builds up the anticipation and you know it's coming but you can't prepare yourself enough for the fact you're gonna probably jump when you see it for the first time

[01:10:58] or when she's on uh see I want to say zoom but you know what zoom wasn't really it was probably Skype at that time Skype was really big at that time so yeah when she's was talking to her friend

[01:11:10] online there and she's like you know is that Alex beside you just like what are you talking about it's like the person that's right beside you like those things but then she freezes I'm

[01:11:18] like wait this evil demon can cut make the internet cut out oh shit is the man who can't breathe living in my apartment with me too he just works down with uh what is it optimum or

[01:11:31] yeah it's like it's just it it's like oh no I don't have any evil demons in here that I know of it's just shitty internet provider this episode of run for your lives definitely brought to

[01:11:40] you with no help from optimum um but I did get a direct link hardwire uh ethernet cable for Christmas and I've been using it and knock on wood we've been doing great since then so I've gone pretty good

[01:11:58] at editing and I have to tell you there have been times that Paik and I have been recording this podcast and he is ahead of me or I'm ahead of him and we can't even respond usually by the last

[01:12:16] like 10 minutes of the podcast we're not on the same time at all but we've been able to make it work but now it's so much better yeah so what yeah so I guess confirmed theory optimum internet

[01:12:28] is actually just an evil demon entity from the further who feeds off of people's frustration with shitty internet connection all right 100% believe yes yeah uh early favorite from monster of the season it could be could be um yeah another great fun gag of course having the spirit

[01:12:51] walking towards Quinn from out of the the window again this time when she sees it and then it just like drops like yeah the floor onto the floor whatever it's a really cool gag but then of

[01:13:03] course you follow that up with like the stupidest moment I'm like girl really really you're gonna just crawl over across the bed and look over the edge of the bed like you are asking for it at

[01:13:14] that point you are because I would never do that I was always scared even at 17 I was scared about what could be under the bed because it's just ridiculous when you're a kid you just

[01:13:25] you don't I don't know you just yeah things creep you out yeah and then the whole following scene of course because she's looking into the bed and then it grabs her from above and throws her off

[01:13:35] the bed and then you get him closing the doors and lights and that whole scene is just so intense and it is man it's cutting her off from everything it's making everything dark

[01:13:47] I mean what more could he ask for he gets to feed on her being terrified and it's dark yeah his two favorite things so now she's like sleeping on the couch and then even

[01:13:57] then like the cracks and the sounds coming from above her and she's like dude why are you so obsessed with me but yeah I mean we we've watched these movies we know like they crave life they

[01:14:06] crave yep of course his is a little different doesn't really crave life as much as he craves snuffing it out or you know draining it and taking it from and you know he wants to bring

[01:14:16] you into his world so you can suffer with him yeah and then just you know the Elise going in and seeing these other spirits other entities that are in the further in this area are the previous victims of

[01:14:29] this this entity them the man and they know that he has a new pet they're like oh he's leaving us alone for a little bit because he's got somebody new he's playing with yep yeah and that's when

[01:14:44] Elise kind of realizes just that this has been going on for a while that he's been draining people for a while but yeah that's all the notes I think we did it paake let me see I don't think I have

[01:15:02] another thing I think we've done everything yep the red door the carpet yeah we have everything we've done everything that's on my notes we did it yay and look it's not like two

[01:15:22] two hour to two and a half hour episode this time it's the first in a couple of weeks we've been going long lately we have been going long stuff so you know it's good to kind of just another

[01:15:32] like hour and a half Blumhouse horror movie yes easy to talk about but still a fun time doesn't take all night and I'm good with that sometimes I've had fun with some of these deeper

[01:15:43] dives on some like more in-depth movies whether it's because of the the really deep stories they're telling like dr. sleep was or more of just a lot of background information and nerd out time like

[01:15:56] Dungeons and Dragons was exactly it's been a lot of fun those are good and I know we have one that I think will be kind of long coming up maybe in a couple of weeks but it's good to sit back and

[01:16:12] do one that's a little bit easier to talk about yeah it was fun always good to to keep trucking through the insidious movies and then revisit this this world for a little bit always good absolutely all right there goes the feedback phone so perfect timing as always

[01:16:35] see if anybody had some thoughts yeah all right we do have one little bit of feedback this week coming straight to us from Catherine she Catherine you've become like the the rock hard solid

[01:16:50] ground on which we record uh we're always looking can rely on you to come through it always was like really great stuff too so uh keep it up you're awesome yes but anyway she says right

[01:17:01] here about insidious funny I've only seen the first two insidious movies and for the first 30 minutes my subtitles didn't work so all the blasts of noise for jump scares were extremely effective all of my animals quickly abandoned the room and never returned poor Quinn still a kid yet

[01:17:17] expected to take care of her dad and brother while mourning her mother and trying to figure out her future and then she has to deal with a demon who won't even let her keep her leg casts

[01:17:26] I was pleased to see her brother show some affection it was really called uh how he was the reason specs and Tucker met Elise I think the only time I left was when Tucker initially

[01:17:35] meets or runs into Elise behind him and makes this great gasp of surprise yeah as you've listened to this now already you know I was harking on that moment too I thought that was

[01:17:43] really funny oh and then you're also with Daphne on like the the Alex love he's like a not terrible little brother as a lot of movies have so yeah oh yeah she continues on I'm not sure

[01:17:56] when but there was a shift at some point when I found myself enjoying seeing the relationship between Elise specs and talk develop more than following Quinn's family somehow Elise's premonitions of her eventual death made the ending of the first insidious more satisfying

[01:18:10] I'm very interested in seeing what's next in the series now well you know Catherine that we are going to do insidious chapter four I think it's called the last key uh yeah so there's there's

[01:18:23] two movies left it's the last key I think and then then the red door is the last one that exists as of now so yeah two more movies to go I know but there's more coming is I haven't seen anything

[01:18:35] on that but you mentioned that before uh yeah um without spoilers I don't know where they're going to go after a red door but uh sure let's just go down a whole new world yeah you can go

[01:18:50] further and further in the further there's how much further is further there's further in the further that's so much further down I don't know well if you would like to submit your feedback like

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[01:19:45] all the time always love the feedback but of course speaking of sharing the love gotta get those shout out some things going on in the podcast universe around us right here in podcastica of course still a lot of rewatch stuff going on with revisited going over Ted Lasso

[01:20:02] still slaying still slaying through season three of Buffy and then the cast of us who has been rewatching The Walking Dead took a little break this week to cover something different Lucy Jason and Karen got together to talk about return of the living dead this week over on

[01:20:20] the cast of us. Hey, have you ever seen return of the living dead? I haven't seen return I don't think so yeah it's a of a different vein mm-hmm yeah that's all I'm gonna say that's when I don't

[01:20:35] think I've seen yet but maybe sometime I think if I have to put it on our list so we cover it so you see it then I will yeah maybe also marvel tv cast still going through echo over on Disney plus

[01:20:52] you go check that out as well and then lastly of course gotta give some shout out to the biweekly releases of welcome to the apocalypse the comedy improv podcast new to podcastica got some just hilarious moments of yeah improvised comedy of this group of characters surviving the apocalypse

[01:21:14] together follow Margaret and angry Adam and Elizabeth on their just insane journeys um with a lot of guest cast and all kinds of stuff popping in and out it's something I look forward to every time

[01:21:29] they release a new episode I cannot wait to listen so it's so much fun definitely go check that out this episode is episode five and the survivors are going on a shopping spree at the mall

[01:21:43] yeah so that's about that and then outside of podcastica of course always give our love to tv podcast industries also doing their coverage in echo as well and I'm sure lots of other great stuff

[01:21:52] coming up soon we'll always keep you tuned into what's going on but that's about it for that but otherwise you can always come back right here to run for your lives because you know

[01:22:02] we're gonna have something fun for you next week in fact definitely why don't you tell them what we got fun for next week well way back in episode 43 we covered a movie by jay baena his 2012 film the

[01:22:16] impossible which of course was based on the 2004 tsunami in thailand next week we're discussing baena's 2023 oscar nominated film society of the snow it's based on the 1972 rugby teams airplane crash in the andes mountains and the subsequent ordeal and rescue of the team

[01:22:42] yeah it's gonna be really fun yeah oscar season yeah it's always fun when we get to throw in a little oscar nominated film always appreciate it yeah society the snow will be yeah it's something

[01:22:56] uh for sure it's real deep and it's a story that i have researched quite a bit so i'm really excited to be able to talk about it and do it in the run fear lies way yes definitely check that out go

[01:23:12] on the netflix and watch that right now and uh yeah give us your thoughts we'd love to hear from everyone that wants to send in something on yeah oscar nominated film it's just yeah it's it's heavy

[01:23:24] it's a lot but it's it's it's really good yeah and there's like a 38 minute documentary that goes with it so check that out as well but as far as this podcast we've reached the end of this

[01:23:39] episode thanks everyone for listening i'm dafney and i'm baek and if you have to run you better run for your lives buh-bye