Run For Your Lives Podcast Episode 162: Society of the Snow

[00:00:00] Hey everyone, welcome to the show. I'm Daphne. And I'm Pake. And this is the Run For Your Lives Podcast. This episode is the movie about survival, the Society of the Snow, directed by Juata Bayona estrenada el bien de dos de diciembre de 2003. Wow, that's quite an introduction.

[00:00:59] I felt it was necessary. I just watched this whole movie in Spanish with the subtitles and then the whole documentary afterwards. Oh so you did. It was so good. Did you? I mean, I'm sure you loved the fact that Bayona was so focused on practical effects and some

[00:01:18] of the stuff that he did to get people flying out of the plane. I was just like, he's really dedicated to making things look as realistic as possible. And I love that. So I'm glad you got to watch the documentary too because that was, yeah, it was interesting.

[00:01:36] I learned a few more things while watching the documentary. This is a story that I know quite a bit about because I watched Alive 30 years ago when it came out. So I watched

[00:01:53] Alive and so the story, now that we have the Internet, you can go and Google just about anything. So once the Internet came into existence, I did a lot of research about it because I thought it was fascinating the human spirit and how it can prevail in the

[00:02:10] worst of circumstances and how hard you have to fight to live when you're faced with what seems like certain death at times. So I've just been always fascinated with this story

[00:02:29] and so when Society of the Snow became a thing or I found out it was coming out and Bayona was behind it, I was super excited because he gave us the impossible. Right. Yeah, this real life tragedy or over real life overcoming disaster and tragedy

[00:02:50] stories are, I mean based off those two movies, yeah, very much in the wheelhouse of Señor Jota Bayona. Yes, 100%. Yeah, I was even more excited when I found out he was directing it

[00:03:05] because I just, you know, The Impossible was a fantastic movie and when we covered it, it's one of my favorite episodes that we've ever done. Yeah, absolutely. Still to this day the same and so that was another reason I was like, I'm actually excited for this

[00:03:23] movie and I've held off on it until now only because I do my Oscars death race watch every year where, you know, it's Oscar season. So I watched all of the Oscar nominated films in

[00:03:35] every category and build up to that. And of course this falls in that so it was even more fun to kind of cover it right now as it's like Oscar season. We'll get to cover it and then I

[00:03:46] get to check it off my list because it is nominated best international feature and it got a makeup and hair styling. Which at first I was like, that's interesting now that I've seen it. I'm like, nope, that absolutely makes sense and they deserve it. Nando's

[00:03:58] concussion alone, the makeup that they did on that alone was incredible. There are just so many things behind this movie that I'm sure we're going to talk about but I mean, we're talking about a cast of pretty much unknown actors. Yeah. And I love that too

[00:04:17] because these are people that this film is going to could make them based on what we see in it. I think it's pretty fantastic. There were also cameos from several of the survivors,

[00:04:32] which I thought was great. I thought I knew this story. This gave me insight that I didn't have and because of it I kind of walked away with oh wow, you know this. I feel like

[00:04:49] this is the most realistic view that I could have gotten and I'm watching it. It was difficult to watch at times like there were parts in it that were just hard because it's terrible like what

[00:05:01] they went through. But I just think it was so well done and I think now it might have a chance at the Oscar because its biggest competition is is it Anatomy of a Fall?

[00:05:15] Anatomy of a Fall is not nominated for international. It is not. It's only just a best picture so which I watched that last night and it is incredible but that's a side of the fact, completely unrelated. Good thing it's not up against that. Yeah, that's. Yeah, I'm glad.

[00:05:33] I'm kind of like oh it has a real it has a chance because Anatomy of a Fall had such great reception from Golden Globes that I thought oh dear this is gonna be rough but

[00:05:49] Anatomy of a Fall pulled a best picture nomination which is you know in the regular category. Yeah. So it's that's pretty amazing in itself. Yeah, I think it could have been nominated

[00:06:06] for both because didn't Parasite do both a number of years ago. Yeah, I think Parasite did. Parasite won the big one. Yeah, yeah. Oscar nerd stuff. I get into it. Just stay tuned for other podcasts

[00:06:22] because you know what more Oscar stuff might be coming down the road even here. I don't know, I thought about there's a few movies that very loosely can work for this and I'm like you know what

[00:06:32] we can we make our own rules. We say that all the time so like even if they barely fit you know what we might still cover them anyway because it's Oscar season and any Oscar nominated movies

[00:06:40] that can somehow fit into this podcast we might as well have fun with them. Yeah, and you know what that means that I'll watch more movies that are nominated for an Oscar because

[00:06:49] I've really fallen off on watching them. I used to do pretty well and watch at least the ones nominated for Best Picture have not been doing that well with it. So this will give me

[00:07:02] an excuse to watch some of them which I think will be good. Yeah, go back to the top of my Google Translate Spanish. I hope I did okay and there's like Spanish speakers are like oh my

[00:07:17] god, you butchered it. No, hopefully I did okay but yeah for those who are just like still lost off of that yes. If you haven't caught on by now yeah we are J.A. or Hota, Bayona Society of the Snow which was yes December 22nd of 2023.

[00:07:36] Yeah I'm super excited again knowing that Bayona was behind it it's like yep I'm in because the impossible was incredible and then it's everything it delivered exactly like I wanted

[00:07:46] it to so I'm excited to jump in. Yeah I think so too I think it it did and I know I was a bit overbearing with my trumpeting of how awesome this movie is at least when it comes to our friend group

[00:08:05] I kind of went overboard with it but I was just so excited and I really wanted to find other nerds to nerd out with me about it because you know it's like Squid Game the Challenge

[00:08:19] although it's nothing like Squid Game the Challenge. I was looking for someone to nerd out with me about it and I was lucky that there were a few people and then I got to podcast

[00:08:29] on it too. This one I'm super excited that we get to do it the Run For Your Lives way which is different than other podcasts where it's more point based or plotline based. We usually come in

[00:08:42] it from a character perspective and there are so many characters in this there's so many people in this that we'll try really hard to stick character wise. We may drift off from time to time just

[00:08:56] because well there are so many people. Well yeah I mean it's very much an ensemble cast and I mean based off the real situation it is literally just this group of young men having to bond together

[00:09:11] to survive the best that they can. Yeah and I mean there were just so many things in this film that weren't big surprises but were you know little surprises things that I didn't know

[00:09:28] and we'll talk about it as we go through our discussion on this one but we should probably start the way that we start all of our podcast which is going through a few of the production

[00:09:46] notes about Society of the Snow. So it was actually filmed in the Andes in Chile in Argentina. They did a few of the filming pieces there. They also did it Montevideo Uruguay and Sierra Nevada in Spain. They did actually go to the actual crash site which was interesting.

[00:10:13] It had to feel very special and like a somber and you know certain like way for a lot of the cast and crew to be back like be in the exact location where this had taken place where these these guys

[00:10:28] had survived and fought for that. I do have I've got like a little where are they now section I'll get to later but kind of where I started that out is because I wanted to look and kind of see

[00:10:42] what was going on with that and the first part of it was talking about Dr. Roberto Canessa. Where there's a little interview with him and yeah he said it was really hard to watch this.

[00:10:55] It was a hard watch for him because it was in the actual location he's looking at the exact like place that he spent these 72 days and a lot of the details are incredibly correct. It is the closest adaptation that you could imagine for this

[00:11:13] movie here and so that he said it was just like being right back there in that valley and while he was watching it and so I think that's that says a lot. It does in so many of the survivors were impressed with Bayona's attention to detail

[00:11:38] and not that they they didn't applaud the film but they really were proud of how the film told the story because it was realistic. He's meticulous as a director to make sure that he pays the respects the way he's supposed to

[00:11:57] and gets things correct so that when he's telling somebody else's story he's telling it the right way. Now I know we covered the impossible he changed the names and even race and kind of

[00:12:06] stuff with some of those characters and I think he's learned from that a little bit but even then with that there's still a lot that he definitely got that story across very respectfully

[00:12:15] and well but yeah with this one it's even more so because he's using their exact names and kind of likenesses the actors were chosen aside from being like nobodies but like had striking physical resemblances to the actual men that were there.

[00:12:32] They did in personalities they looked at personalities too and I know that they had done like 2000 I think actors they interviewed and tested via zoom most of it because we're talking about pandemic times. So much so that the day they were supposed to start shooting

[00:12:57] they ended up like a lot of the actors and Bayona himself had co-fit. Yeah so it was challenging they used body doubles and they were just working through something so it was

[00:13:12] a challenge but I'll continue. So this is based on a book La Sociedad de la Nieve by Pablo Bierchi. Bayona actually came across this book while he was doing The Impossible.

[00:13:28] He was so engrossed in it and so focused he wanted to make the film like right away well he didn't make it for 10 years we know that he did Fallen Kingdom for the Jurassic World franchise

[00:13:43] but he was pretty set on this he wanted to do it. We've talked about it being nominated for an Academy Award in two categories best international feature film and best makeup and hairstyling. The budget was 65 million it was released in a limited capacity

[00:14:03] in theaters however it was mostly on Netflix. It's 144 minutes long we mostly know the story anyway Peg but please give us a synopsis. All right the flight of a rugby team crashes on

[00:14:18] a glacier in the Andes. The few passengers who survived the crash find themselves in one of the world's toughest environments to survive. Yep that sums it up pretty nicely. I think one of the biggest

[00:14:30] challenges that they had too was they weren't where they thought they were like the pilot had gotten off course thinking he had passed curicou and yeah it made things a little more difficult

[00:14:46] they thought they were closer to chilly than they were so I'm excited for us to talk about this one in our way the way that we do it and so the story is actually told through the eyes of someone who

[00:15:04] isn't actually on the rugby team his name is Numa Turkati. I was a little bit blown away that Bayona was going to pick to tell this story through Numa's perspective because

[00:15:16] I knew what happened to Numa and so it made it a bit creative. I wasn't sure how it was gonna go because knowing Numa's fate I couldn't imagine how he could do it and yet you know Bayona did

[00:15:35] he was able to tell the story in this way that gives you this perspective. Numa was not even like I said he was not on the rugby team he was friends with Pancho and Gaston and Gaston was instrumental

[00:15:55] in getting Numa on that plane in the first place. He and Pancho wanted to have this one last adventure because Numa's a law student and he was going to be taking exams and going to work

[00:16:08] and so they didn't feel they were going to get another opportunity to do this. So and plus it was a cheap ticket to go to Chile and they were giving him lots of you know enticements like there are girls there and this is our last chance to have

[00:16:24] this one big adventure and Numa doesn't really even care about rugby. He's not really into it so it doesn't really go into why he decided to go or if it was just you know his friends and one last

[00:16:41] adventure but he decides to go and go on board the plane with everyone which there were cameos Nando Parada actually had a cameo in the scene where they're in the airport getting ready to

[00:16:58] board the plane. Yeah he was one of the who's a family member but I didn't see him that way. I just saw him open a door like okay that doesn't okay that's cool but that's cool that

[00:17:10] it's good that like a lot of them felt comfortable to like be a part of this and that and I think that speaks to Bayona's you know vision is they signed off on it like we'll even participate and be

[00:17:22] part of this and kind of help tell the story. The only one I really noticed really it was during the documentary was Roberto as a doctor whenever they're taken into the place afterwards he was

[00:17:35] actually because again he is a pediatric cardiologist now that's what he does and so he's a doctor who played a doctor who brought in his own self in this movie which is really interesting. Yeah I found that kind of creative that's not something you usually see. The interesting

[00:17:54] thing about Roberto Canessa he was dating a woman named Laura during when all of this went down and they actually did get married after so I went on to have a family and are still together as far

[00:18:10] as I know. In watching this movie it was hard for me not to compare it to a live while I was watching it because things I've seen but there were so many little nuances that alive didn't have

[00:18:24] that I appreciated that so much because they were things yeah. Yeah and that's where my lack of going back and watching movies and being bad at that kind of served me well

[00:18:36] because I've never seen a live so. What. So I went in with this like I know of the story but I don't know really any of the details and I didn't know exactly what was going to happen so it made that

[00:18:49] even better for me like talking about like Numa being the narrator from the beginning and being like oh that's that's interesting choice but I didn't see it as like a weird choice because

[00:18:59] I was like okay so this is who we're following I'm off the bat I'm going so he must be one of the few survivors and so he's telling this and so we get to the point where he dies and

[00:19:09] because I don't have that background knowledge I was a little surprised by that there were points leading up to it where I considered I don't think he's going to make it and I think that I kind of

[00:19:20] figured out the the choice that by and I was making so I was like I did think it could happen and so when it did happen I was like I didn't expect that at the beginning but I you know

[00:19:31] not that I saw it coming but it was like I saw overseas being planted to where by the time he was dying it was like oh yeah of course yeah it was so then I'm looking back at it in retrospect going

[00:19:43] that's an interesting choice but a really creative one and really clever it is and it gave you even before Numa started having his issues when he got hurt you get to see some of the other stuff

[00:19:57] that other injured people were going through and so when you realize that he's hurt you know what's coming and it's not pretty yeah well I mean it's when he when he got that cut on

[00:20:13] his ankle kicking that window out the first thing I thought was like that's not a good cut and I was like that's that's gonna get infected in the way that they're at right now it's like there's no

[00:20:22] way he's not gonna get an infection from that so then in my brain it's like if he makes it out then rescue better becoming relatively quickly from this point like yeah I mean he lasted quite a bit

[00:20:35] longer but he kept that a secret he didn't really tell anyone and then you can tell when Kinesa looks at it finally it's like oh fuck this is not good yeah because we had seen earlier we had seen

[00:20:53] injuries on one of the other people that didn't make it I mean I think they were bed sores basically from yeah laying down and yeah it was yeah it was really rough to watch and then knowing that Numa

[00:21:08] was probably gonna go through the same thing it wasn't pleasant it was sad because you get he tells the story and connects you in a way to the character and you're weird but I knew right away because I remembered I remembered the story because Bayona did something

[00:21:28] different in this movie he actually kept the names of all the people the same alive didn't do that anyone who died he changed their names so even if I hadn't gone back and researched anything

[00:21:43] I knew that Numa did not live and so it's like okay well this is gonna be an adventure I'm not sure how this is gonna go but we'll definitely check you know we'll see how it is I enjoy that

[00:22:01] it it starts not slow but you kind of get introduced these characters a little bit you see here's where we're at we're on the plane we're going and it starts you know happy and then like a little

[00:22:13] bit of turbulence and you know what's coming you're not going into this movie like and then they're gonna get going I'm not sitting down going oh it's a movie about a rugby team that

[00:22:21] goes to Chile and then they play rugby and everybody's happy the end you know like we know what we're getting into so um for sure but there was a very distinct moment where that slight nervousness and the joking manner of the little bit of turbulence switches

[00:22:35] and you see the real fear and panic and worry about what's about to happen once they realize like this isn't good uh yeah even the mechanic like put sends them to the front of the plane and

[00:22:49] grabs a seat and sits down and starts looking at things and figuring things out and realizes we're not where we're supposed to be this is we got a problem um yeah I had to like switch my

[00:23:03] brain off from where I'm at and sometimes with movies that we cover because with the notes I was like part of me has a lot of typical jokes and puns and stuff and then I was like this is a true story

[00:23:13] based on real people so I'm going to refrain I'm gonna be a good boy today we're not gonna do that well I remember when we did The Impossible that was one of the things we didn't have any

[00:23:25] moments of humor because it was so hard to watch it was a tsunami and we knew it was a tsunami we went in knowing and like in this one we knew it was a plane crash and knew we were going in this way

[00:23:42] yeah and when it when when shit went down it it went down a heart like it was very much like I said it was kind of this slow not slow in a bad way but just this build of like okay

[00:23:53] we're getting comfortable with everybody and then it just gets pulled out from under you I mean the crash scene itself was brutal with the way that they had the chairs all smashing together up to the

[00:24:05] front and people getting crushed and bones snapping and people being stabbed and impaled by metal pieces of the plane and all it's just complete carnage and you're seeing as it's kind of hits the

[00:24:15] ground and it's rolling and everybody's kind of falling on top of each other and onto things and getting crushed and it's they you know they don't pull any punches with and here's what happened

[00:24:26] here's where it is like you're right there with them and even when the plane breaks apart and people start flying out of the back you I mean the way that Bayona filmed it it wasn't a CGI

[00:24:39] trick it was he filmed it with people flying out of the back he had rigs set up and did that another reason he might be climbing the list of favorite directors because he refuses to do

[00:24:51] visual effects like in excess he everything he can do practically he does and he does you know that's a that's a special place in my heart for a director who stands by that they had

[00:25:02] five actually five fuselage models that they used throughout the whole thing each one had a different purpose and I remember when I was watching the documentary thinking okay but it doesn't

[00:25:19] how do they make it I mean it looks really empty and it just goes to show all the extra work they did to construct the inside of that fuselage and how they filmed different things like when

[00:25:33] the avalanche came yeah that blew me away it's like okay so you made a hole and they're climbing out of it and I remember thinking at that time when Numa is kicking the window out and he gets his foot cut

[00:25:49] I'm like that's such a bad idea don't I know you need to do it but please do it a different way because it made me think and this is ridiculous comparison made me think of

[00:26:06] Red Dead Redemption 2 when Arthur Morgan gets tuberculosis like I kept thinking how can we make it so he doesn't get tuberculosis but you can't change the ending of the game when the

[00:26:17] character dies and so you weren't going to change the end of this movie. Spoilers for Red Dead it's been long enough people come play games if you haven't played that's on you at this point.

[00:26:28] That's on you totally on you it's been a couple years and I don't know what you're waiting for because it's a masterpiece it is it's like a 30 hour movie basically yeah yeah there's just it's

[00:26:40] a lot because even yes they survived the crash and that's one thing and then the big part of this movie is like all right that's over with now surviving the cold especially at night

[00:26:51] that's a whole different challenge you know that first night they again is just rough where you see just bodies piled together for any semblance of warmth whether they're living or dead like just

[00:27:02] yeah throw everything and everyone into one big pile and hope you make it through the night. Yes basically that's what it was all about a lot of the players themselves like in the end

[00:27:15] only six players six people on the team survived out of that entire rugby team the rest were friends and family because they were there's Strouch cousins which there were four initially and then

[00:27:33] one died in the crash they didn't find his body until a bit later but people died like in the middle of the night and their bodies would you know I remember Marcelo telling them and he was

[00:27:50] the captain of the team telling them don't go to sleep you're gonna you'll die if you go to sleep and people died anyway because of their injuries and and everything

[00:28:01] um so we should probably stick to Numa and go through this through his eyes otherwise we could be jumping all over the place right well I mean I have a lot of general notes as far like they're also thrown

[00:28:19] under that just because it's the first section and then like when we get to specific other characters I've got them in theirs but yeah just yeah so a lot of like group survival things I

[00:28:28] definitely still have under him just because as part of the group things that all of them are having to do like they run out of food that is with them on the plane pretty quickly I mean it's like

[00:28:41] day two and they're like all right here's a cracker with a smoked can oyster on it and that's that's your meal for the day uh yeah I mean and in the beginning they look so

[00:28:53] they don't they've been in a plane crash but they don't look they're not dirty yet they're they look you know not too bad some of them are pretty banged up but they're most of them that that survives

[00:29:08] um except for the ones that were super injured they don't look too bad yet right they look you know clothes are still quite clean and but after day two I mean they're just the food's gone

[00:29:26] they've rationed everything that they have and in having Numa narrate the story we're getting lots of little nuggets of information that I didn't really know before and so it was kind of like eye opening

[00:29:42] um but they they don't realize what the lack of food I think at first caness is the one who actually says you know you can laugh three minutes without air you know three days without water

[00:30:05] I think it was three days without water and three weeks without food three weeks without food well that was you know nine days in when they have that conversation but there are different people that affect the story which we will talk about

[00:30:24] that as people die you notice the impact of their deaths on everyone else especially you know the core people that are that we were getting to see more of yeah um because that I really took to heart in watching this this time is just the differences

[00:30:48] at one point they even show Numa I mean he's pissing in it's black and that you know it's not good like it's that scene is really interesting no words but just to see so it's like okay so he's

[00:31:04] like malnourished and dehydrated and his body has like gone through trauma but then even after that he's like zipping up his pants and goes to like redo his belt and there's no notches that will fit

[00:31:17] that belt he's already losing weight because he's not eating and it's just you're they're so malnourished it's just been you know a week or two and they're they're they become skin and bones by the end which again watch the documentary on Netflix

[00:31:33] if you have like 30 something that's long so good they shot that but all you know pull out some cool points from that is they shot this all chronologically so that the actors actually lost weight over time

[00:31:46] to fill those like some of those kids I say kids they're all in the 20s and stuff but some of these these actors lost like 40 to 50 pounds yeah for shooting this movie just to

[00:31:57] kind of follow that trajectory and yeah they were living on fruit and a can of tuna a day but they had doctors monitoring them to like to make sure that they were physically okay they had nutritionists and stuff on staff with the production and yeah

[00:32:17] I mean some actors will go that far look at always think a christian bail with the machinist absolutely that's where I was going yeah yeah I mean that was insane if you look at his body

[00:32:31] he does that though because he was an american hustle and he did the opposite for that movie so nine days they have been able to figure out the water situation because they're melting snow

[00:32:44] and putting it in bottles and it seems to be working but not the food situation and at this point canessa starts to talk to them about you know your piss is black this is what's

[00:33:04] happening your body is going to shut down you can't we can't live without food and that's when it starts to come out um in a different way than it did in the life that consuming their friends is the only way

[00:33:24] that they're going to be able to stay alive here because there it's not like they can go fishing they can't go hunting there's nothing there right I mean at one point somebody went outside

[00:33:35] and it looked like they were trying to eat moss off a rock and I know they were trying to eat cigarettes and one of them even took a scab off his own arm and ate it yeah so this is not I mean

[00:33:49] we're talking about shoelaces shoelaces will only only get you so far yeah yeah so it's pretty it's pretty rough yeah it seems very divided at first like you have the very scientific and logical

[00:34:06] thinking of of like nondo and roberto and you and some others like that versus this very ethical moral spiritual dilemma from people like numa and poncho and marcello and lilyana you know where

[00:34:23] it's very diametrically opposed on this this mindset like some are going this the only way we live and others going there's absolutely no way in hell i'm gonna do that because that's a line we don't

[00:34:33] cross and as the conversation goes you know uh it feels like those lines are drawn but then as more people die and things get more dire you see people start switching sides walking the other

[00:34:46] aisle until finally it's like poncho and numa left and then when poncho finally goes over and is trying to convince him numa's the last holdout he's on an island by himself especially

[00:34:58] with marcello was the last one other than him that finally yeah it was after the radio or would know not the radio uh well after they learned that nobody was looking for them anymore

[00:35:08] that they'd called off the search they're assumed dead and just kind of not priority anymore once they get that news marcello has that change of tune where he's like i was wrong

[00:35:17] yeah this is the only way we survive and marcello is the team captain and they look up to him the others that are on the team look up to him and follow his lead even if they don't always

[00:35:30] agree with it because we see that with the stretch with um fido he doesn't agree really with marcello at that time because at least early on and then he ends up doing it anyway because he and

[00:35:49] his cousins kind of take over something that you would never want to ever i mean they have the job that they kept everyone else saying by taking responsibility for choosing the bodies that they would

[00:36:12] yeah they were i kind of referred to them as the body butchers yeah like that was the job that they took and they could compartmentalize that in their heads to like we can protect everybody

[00:36:23] else by we're the butchers in the back room handling business we'll bring you your food don't ask any questions we won't tell you and we're we're good exactly exactly and fido himself was the

[00:36:35] one that picked the bodies and the others you know daniel and eduardo they helped him and they took responsibility for that that's something i didn't know and so when i'm seeing that in this movie i was just like huh they never touched on that before

[00:36:56] really and so that was i was just i think blown away by the fact that they were the ones who knew and they did it and kept everybody else from having that memory of thinking about who you

[00:37:13] know of knowing who it was that they were eating because we're talking about deeply religious people we're talking about you know their catholics their their rugby team the school mascot their

[00:37:29] the team is the christians like it's yeah it doesn't get more like obviously they come from a very spiritual and religious background yeah and so they had to make a decision and

[00:37:41] they started talking about looking at it like it was organ donation or a communion not so much but that was something that was touched on in a live and one of the biggest arguments was about

[00:37:55] permission like the dad could not give permission for the others to do this and so they were just hoping that god would forgive them for having to do this because it it was a sin it was a heinous

[00:38:11] they looked at it as breaking the law and it weighed on them which yeah i like then that i like that because of that they there wasn't necessarily you're an idiot you're wrong

[00:38:25] you need to you know you're gonna die if you don't do what we were saying to do you don't really get any of that it was Roberto and and Nando and those who had made the decision this

[00:38:36] is what we need to do they took the respect towards the other people and it led to this kind of moment where they all kind of went around the fuselage giving that permission while they're still alive

[00:38:48] so that way it was like because i want you to live so if something happens to me you don't have to worry about that that's not a doubt you have to carry anymore because

[00:38:56] i'm telling you now it's okay it's okay for you to eat me to consume me if something happens to me a little piece of me will go on being part of you and that's something canessa said in an interview

[00:39:09] where burdo canessa said in an interview that that was kind of a way they were looking at it is you know piece of me will go on as part of you and they wanted to do that for each other

[00:39:27] because it was such a grueling experience and i mean you get that impression in watching a live but you it's nothing compared to what you see in this one in this movie i mean i was freezing

[00:39:41] watching them it was just the whole process and the makeup everything it just pulled you right into the situation yeah and even before they decide to do this they're they're climbing up the mountain they've got no food no energy and they also realize at that point

[00:40:07] that the plane can't be seen they can't see the plane that's flying over and the plane can't see the plane fuselage that's down in the valley yeah because originally they were going to go after

[00:40:22] the radio and look for the tail in the crash site to get see if the radio works there get the battery from there and then contact people but then they kind of gave up on that initially

[00:40:32] because they got halfway up the mountain and realized even if we get a hold of somebody they can't see where we are they don't they can't see anything over here and so they give up but then

[00:40:43] it was after okay well the radio you know that they did manage to tap into and it's man that's that's a rough moment it's like they find the radio and it's like oh everything's good and

[00:40:54] then it's like this turn of cruel fate where they get it working only for them to hear a news report that yeah that the search is just off and they're assumed dead and not priority anymore and

[00:41:06] things are really well we'll look for the bodies after winter after winter which the seasons of the year are different in the southern hemisphere so things were a little bit you know they they

[00:41:18] knew they were I mean they knew they were up it was up to them they they were not going to get say rescued by a plane flying over yeah of course now that nobody's searching for them I think

[00:41:36] that's when they decide to go back and look for the battery and try it anyway because at least okay maybe they can't find us but if they know we're out here they'll keep looking

[00:41:45] versus just giving up and so they do have a small group I think it's Numa Gustavo and my spones that head up and they get stuck up there at night there's no way of getting out and they

[00:41:58] just have to huddle together somehow they managed to survive just holding on to each other up there but and then come back down but it's just it's not feasible at that moment and Numa know that his narration the voiceover has one of the more powerful lines of this

[00:42:16] movie I had to write it down just because I was like damn that's a great line uh as he just says the more we try to get out the more the mountain resists I mean really that is how it's like they're

[00:42:30] trapped in a vortex you know or in a in another realm and they can't escape because the mountains not letting them anything they can do the mountain can counteract it's like it's a

[00:42:43] living thing itself that can do that and I remember that scene on the mountain when they were freezing from alive and seeing it again in this it was just even more intense um one of the things

[00:43:04] that was out of order is um well when they go up that one that first time to look for the tail when they don't tell anyone they're going let's not tell anyone we're going so they go up to look

[00:43:19] they actually find I think Gaston and Daniel Shaw but in reality they didn't find Daniel Shaw until like Kanessa and Tin Tin and Nanda were going on the great escape trying to get out

[00:43:38] um but I didn't feel like that was uh yeah I didn't think that was a problem I mean it wasn't something so distracting right from what was happening yeah it's like you mentioned like the mountains

[00:43:54] almost like this living breathing thing that yeah it was like this it was just like this is why we can't have nice things you know moment uh where it was it's like as he said every time

[00:44:03] they try to get out the mountain resists because it's like you take you get a little bit of a victory and then the other shoe falls that you get spit in your face and there's like we got the

[00:44:12] radio running and they're not looking for us anymore or there's the moment you know their spirits and camaraderie are pretty high they're all sitting in the fuselage together they're rhyming and comforting each other and kind of having this like they're laughing and having this great moment

[00:44:25] and that piece is ruined by an avalanche like of course because we can't have nice things you know and then they managed to dig themselves out and save most everyone there's a few that you

[00:44:36] know I think at that point it's just like Coco and Liliana didn't make it out and Marcello and then well the first time like they're like it was just like those and then they're like okay

[00:44:44] we've got everybody out and then it was like and wave two now here comes another one and that's where they lost besides Coco and Liliana then like Diego uh Roke my spones Enrique Juan Carlos

[00:44:54] and then Marcello yeah yeah that was a huge loss I mean Coco was I mean they all loved Coco I mean that that was so apparent Liliana I felt like was the surrogate mother to them

[00:45:08] like I remember watching and she's trying to comfort I think it was Moncho who thought for sure he was gonna die and she just kept saying no you're not gonna die and she was being really

[00:45:20] motherly and then Marcello who was the captain of the team who was instrumental in the beginning after the crash getting things organized yeah they lost like heart and hope with those deaths

[00:45:38] and that was I think really rough but then they were also faced with okay we're trapped in here we can't get out and we need to eat and then they have to this is when things change and they

[00:45:54] there's no secret hiding place that the that Vito and Daniel and Eduardo can go yeah again one of those like give and take push and pull things because yeah they're buried under

[00:46:04] the snow but there is light and oxygen coming in there is a hole so they're not that deep to where they can breathe and honestly it turns the fuselage because it's under all that snow essentially

[00:46:17] into like an igloo so they honestly have really good shelter from the storm at that point like it's kind of a big plus they're like hey we have oxygen we have shelter we're staying warm in here

[00:46:28] we can light a fire in here like things are looking up and then it's two three four days and they don't have food and it's like you said then it's turning to well we have to do what

[00:46:39] we've been doing but we only have the newly dead bodies down here we don't have the you know access to what we have been doing right so they have to make decisions and this is when

[00:46:51] everyone knows everybody can see all the secrets that the Strouch cousins have been keeping to themselves and protecting everyone from are there in their face that they have to you know they have to see

[00:47:08] that and I remember just thinking when Numa agreed to go on this he really only knew a couple of the people that were there yeah which was um Pancho and Gaston and Gaston had died but I felt like

[00:47:30] throughout the movie we see him kind of forming a bond with Nando and it was Nando who finally got Numa to eat because Numa did not want to eat and Nando was just like well you're going to Chile

[00:47:47] you've got to you've got to eat you've got to be ready you've got to because Numa was part of the expeditions that were going out he was a big part of those first few expeditions but then during

[00:48:02] you know the avalanche and trying to escape from the fuselage when they finally realized they need to get out he kicks in the window and cuts his foot yeah it's I think it was at least in this

[00:48:17] film uh you know because we don't have a lot of exact truth other than just interviews and things with the survivors but based off what we're seeing here it was that situation again where it's like

[00:48:28] he had chosen to eat but now it's very real more real than it has been and he almost kind of reverts back to what the way he was where he's very opposed to it and it kind of sends him into a panic

[00:48:42] that's where he's frantic and starts kicking and trying to get out and that's what happens now he still sticks to it it takes him a couple more days but he is successful he finds tunnels

[00:48:52] their way out of there yeah he was really instrumental in getting that going and without Marcelo to lead I felt like the there were others that had to step up in different ways to be able

[00:49:06] to keep things going because they didn't have the leadership that they had you know relied on so much even though they had the disagreement over whether or not to consume the dead Marcelo was

[00:49:21] still the captain they still look to him to lead them and when they were all making the decision to do that they all made sure to apologize to him like they knew that like we understand that

[00:49:35] your leadership position you are not okay with this and we are opposing you and we are going against your wishes right we don't we feel like we have no other choice but I am sorry that we're

[00:49:44] having to do this to you right and that's the respect that they all had you know they were very yeah they were very apologetic and they're able to get out and clean off I mean they're basically digging out that fuselage can you imagine I thought about this

[00:50:02] climbing a mountain or digging out of something and you've got really got like no nutrition you're you've lost weight you don't have a lot of energy last thing you'd want to do is be digging out of an avalanche or digging out the fuselage I mean

[00:50:24] I don't know how they did it like somehow they just kept going they had hope and they kept each other motivated to be able to do what they needed to do and carried that

[00:50:41] going forward without you know the more they lost they still managed to keep hope going and all I could think was when Numa dies like how much of their hope dies because he

[00:50:54] even though he didn't really know anyone he became a part of everything that was going on and a loss like that it's devastating but they managed to keep going and Nando and Kinesa

[00:51:11] the loss of Numa I mean Numa was he had that conversation with Nando where he just says you know you can you can have my body if it will help you go on and I mean that was really poignant

[00:51:30] because Nando was trying to like not get he didn't want him to give up but at that point we'd seen the bed so is and we'd seen how infected his foot was and they didn't have any

[00:51:43] antiseptic they didn't have any antibiotics there was nothing they could do yeah like getting a cut was like the kiss of death when it's like that he goes through quite a personal journey there on

[00:51:58] his own and those last like days where we see him like said he's keeping a secret and in where he's joining this expedition it's him with Roberto Nando and Tintin that they were he's like yeah

[00:52:11] well we'll go to Chile we'll do you know we'll go find what we can't and then him the cut his ankle yeah I mean it's it's gotten so infected he can't make the journey and he has to

[00:52:20] return and then so you see him being like oh it's no big deal I'm confident to then having to turn back and be kind of embarrassed or ashamed of that to being afraid that I don't want to die I

[00:52:33] I think it's getting worse and I I'm gonna die I'm afraid of that to then that conversation with Nando where he's accepted that he's going to die and kind of come to peace with it

[00:52:44] and he has that a conversation with Javier about lose about the loss of Liliana and just admitting that he can't do the things he wanted that he's been doing and how hard it is

[00:53:03] for him to not be part of it to not be part of the fight to get out Javier explains you know what it was like when he lost Liliana and how he wanted to dig out so he could get her out but

[00:53:18] if he dug out he was going to push her further into the snow like how it was just a double-edged sword like he couldn't he had to save himself before he could save her but he couldn't save her

[00:53:31] because saving himself meant she was going to go deeper and he couldn't get to her and you realize what's coming at that point Numa is not going to make it and I I knew that kind of from the beginning because I thought it was really clever that

[00:53:53] Bayona was going in the structure like why are you going to tell the story from his perspective when oh and then I thought about it more and I'm like of course you're going to do it that way

[00:54:03] because that is not the way someone else would ever pick to tell the story you're gonna do it your way and this is your way yeah so you know they're all rallying around Numa and then he passes away

[00:54:20] in his sleep so the actor ends over Grinchick the way he does that voiceover of what at 143 on December 11th 1972 I died and you're just thinking okay well now how are things going to go but he

[00:54:41] still does you know Numa is still telling the story like he's still doing the voiceover but it becomes someone else's like actions in order to progress things and his note to his friends there is no greater love than to give one's life for

[00:55:01] friends that was really special and at that point everyone had pretty much they were still running out of food and they weren't hiding things anymore they were picking bones clean and the camp like around the fuselage you see skeletons rib cages and other part body parts

[00:55:31] and so they're not hiding anything from each other anymore when it comes to that they're just doing what they need to do in order to stay alive so at this point it goes beyond

[00:55:49] and goes to other characters to tell the story yep so yeah I think yeah we've kind of wrapped where he was at uh the spirit and and you know who he was definitely still plays a part in

[00:56:04] in the other characters and their minds are kind of what goes forward but but yeah that is kind of where his story does end in this um so yeah at least kind of in our

[00:56:13] our docs and then stuff our documents and where we look at it there's two other like major characters that we look at which would be Fernando Nando and then Roberto and Nando is the one that I really focused on more myself but

[00:56:31] wherever you go with it no let's go to Nando because he's really a driving force yeah I mean he boards this plane with his mother and his sister whereas most of the others didn't have any family other than the Strouch cousins

[00:56:47] most of them if they did have family they all died like it like husband and wife or or passed away but Nando is there with his sister and his mother and somehow he gets hit in the head

[00:57:02] so I'm quite sure he had a concussion yeah like the black around his he just looks rough yeah it was you know because his mother died on impact uh and then him and his sister

[00:57:15] were not in good shape like again because I don't have the background I haven't watched the other stuff or read the book or kind of looked too deeply into a lot of stuff I thought he was a

[00:57:24] goner pretty early on I was like oh he's gonna go over he's gonna crawl over there and go next to his sister and then they'll die together like that was where I was at and then to see him

[00:57:34] be able to like nurse himself back to health and become the strongest member of this group by far at least physically like he's he runs and walks and trains in the snow every day to

[00:57:46] like make sure he can make a trek to walk out of here if that's what it means that he has to do like that that's the only means of escape then I'm gonna do it and I'm gonna make sure that

[00:57:55] I'm physically fit and well enough to do so yeah Ethan Hawke played him in uh alive so it's it's different I liked that Arturo who was one of the injured that they put up on I think it was our

[00:58:12] think it yeah it was Arturo he was one of the ones that they put up on they made these like hammock things to put him and Vasco on because their their leg injuries were so bad

[00:58:26] um I really liked what Arturo was saying about who God is to him and the connection that he looked at with you know Nando and then Kinesa and Serbino and being the medical students

[00:58:43] and trying to take care of everyone and that's who he believes in yeah I do have a note about that I've got like a kind of extra section of just other characters and that is one is I called it

[00:58:53] his I believe in a different God speech and yeah where he talks about putting his faith in the efforts of the group and each other and the people who are I thought it was incredible yeah

[00:59:05] definitely another one of my favorite moments it was I mean even I think he even talked about Fido and Daniel and what they were doing like he that's what he was believing in and I thought

[00:59:17] that was so powerful because out there and being as religious as they all were it's incredible to see someone you know who you know is not I mean he's really bad off

[00:59:35] to see him have that mindset and share that it just it I mean it just showed how connected people were and how focused on the how powerful it is the people that you're with and what they're doing

[00:59:59] for others can affect someone in such a way I mean watching Nando kind of come out of it and but go to be with Susie until Susie passed away yeah he went to be with Susie

[01:00:18] and then after she passes he was doing better like physically he looked better he was stronger he was healthy but again not really knowing the background there is a moment where I thought

[01:00:30] and there he goes now he's emotionally broken and I expected him to give up cycle back down and then when he didn't I kind of really solidified him as maybe a favorite character for sure and

[01:00:45] and it's weird to talk about that again characters because they're real people and these things but yeah to see that like he is somebody that now it's like now he has to do this because

[01:00:56] he has that mindset and yeah like if somebody's going to survive it is him because he has that strength he wanted to get home to his father and his siblings like he had lost so much but he wanted

[01:01:10] to get back to them and he didn't just want himself to get back he wanted everyone he wanted to get everybody back and he knew I think that Roberto Canessa was you know the Canessa we see in this

[01:01:27] movie the one that Matias Recault presents to us is different than the Josh Hamilton Canessa that we see in a live and I actually like this better don't tell Lucy Lucy if you're listening to this I'm not

[01:01:44] sorry I can't help it um he and Nanda were at odds but not so much as they were in a live in this movie they had differing opinions on when it was time to leave and then Canessa finally relented

[01:02:01] and was like okay yes we're gonna go we're going it was pretty much after Numa died it's it's like okay we're going we're gonna do this you gotta go gotta do it um I also thought Nanda was gonna

[01:02:15] lose it because you don't really know I mean haven't seen a live it's like okay that I know what they showed us but I just get the impression based on everything that I've seen and read in like

[01:02:27] different interviews that Bayanna gave us as truthful a story as he could and so watching it play out you just you know how do you not lose it when you lose your sister like and your mother

[01:02:46] and but he made it work you know he fought he fought to get out he was ready to go he was ready to go he was ready to get out and so he and Canessa and Tin Tin take off

[01:03:06] to try to get out and you have to know that Numa would have been with them like if he had not been injured he would have been he had he would have been with them yeah because that's

[01:03:17] the group that just does things you know they're the ones that go um they're the strongest they're the most determined and so they take off but again they don't really know where they are yeah and well

[01:03:33] first because they they go towards Argentina first which yeah I wasn't completely sure why but I don't know maybe if you had any more you know understanding of that but but then that that little journey does lead them to actually finding the tail that they were looking

[01:03:51] for before it had gone in a different direction and somewhere they didn't think it would be so they found it they found the battery in working condition instead of trying to haul this battery back to the fuselage they're like well let's go back to the fuselage get the

[01:04:05] radio that's easier to carry and bring it back to the battery and get Roy because he's the one that knows how to fix everything and I have to tell you that the guy who played Roy and what they

[01:04:18] presented of Roy in this movie was much better than the Roy we got in a laugh this was more subdued but they're I mean they're trying to get the radio to work it kind of worked a little

[01:04:33] bit then it blew up yeah I think they they get it back up again just to kind of listen to news reports of stuff which I guess you know the temperatures have been got up a little bit where

[01:04:48] like search you know searching was going to start back up for them but again it was going to be laxed at that point they're not looking for survivors they're looking for bodies that's it

[01:05:00] mm-hmm they are so they knew it was it came down to them they had to do it themselves and so they take off to go over the mountains yeah and I get just the the ingenuity and strength

[01:05:16] and determination of these groups again how it lines up with exactly what happened in reality I'm not sure but at least the portrayal we get here of you know them coming up with this idea of

[01:05:30] the sleeping bag with this waterproof material and you know going over that and then as they're climbing up and it's getting dark and they're like we need to make it a little bit further

[01:05:42] and realize we don't have time we don't have to so they literally dig a shelf into the side of the mountain in the snow and lay themselves on that to like bundle in and sleep for the night

[01:05:55] it's incredible yeah and then they get a little bit further and decide that they don't have enough food for all three of them so they send tinted back to the plane with a message that they're

[01:06:09] going to keep going and tinted even goes back and says they're strong they're going to make it they're going to get over I mean trying to give them some hope yeah because yeah because it's it's

[01:06:21] it's tough because you kind of feel that heart your heart drop a little bit when they get to the top of the mountain and they're like you know chili's on the other side and then what's on

[01:06:30] the other side is just more more of what that it's this expansive mountain range of peaks and valleys and it looks like it's never ending and they're like well fuck that's it we're dead

[01:06:44] but again it's this it's Nando looking at it and really taking that moment going no I can still make it we can still do this now and once you buy my side he's talking to Roberto and he's like

[01:06:55] if you look way back there the snow stops that means that there's hope it's like we we truck it if we make it we go for it we can make it in 10 12 days

[01:07:07] I'm not going all the way up this mountain to give up I've set myself on this so that's what we're doing it's a little bit more than I thought it was gonna be but here we go I'm doing it yeah

[01:07:17] we have to get out of here we can't we can't go back if we go back every I mean they had to be thinking if we go back everyone's dead like we're all gonna die so we have to take

[01:07:28] a chance to get out yeah and Kanessa even says to him well you know you want me to come with you to die and Nando just keeps steady to the theme of now we're gonna do this we're gonna go see that

[01:07:48] you know like he said the snow ends we're gonna make it yeah and it's it's one hell of a trek across mountains oh man I just can't imagine 10 days hiking across mountains literal the Andes mountain range just we're going it's like skilled mountain climbers prepare and train and

[01:08:13] everything for years and years for this and these are just 20 year old students soccer players going we have to do it so that's what we're doing it's crazy I mean I rugby but yeah but yeah yeah it's crazy if you think about it though because

[01:08:33] I mean they didn't have clothing they didn't have like thigh high snow boots they you know had shoes and they wrapped their legs with blankets and different things and it it just they had everything stacked against them you know yeah they kept going they get to

[01:08:59] the end of that range that valley and then you notice as they're kind of getting closer the snow is not there as much they're like finding rocks and gravel and you're feeling a little

[01:09:10] bit more hope and then there's that moment Roberto pulls out some of the meat to eat it and he's smelling it and stuff you realize the temperatures have warmed up and the meat that they brought with

[01:09:19] them has gone bad and get sick from it and so now like it is the end of the line in a way where it's like we had the rations but now we've made it far enough to where that food is no longer

[01:09:32] viable and we have nothing and then they find their saving grace a lizard no a guy on a horse Sergio Catalan on the horse with a mule I guess it was more of a mule um

[01:09:52] and they're trying to communicate with them and they're throwing rocks back and forth across to communicate because they're yelling they're yelling we're on the plane that crash and and I can imagine if you're that man and you're just out with your mule for a stroll that hearing

[01:10:13] two people yelling and screaming about being in a crash and being alive and all these you know different things that have happened is a lot to handle so they carefully wrote a note and are

[01:10:25] able to um you know communicate what's going on and they get the first real food they've had and how long no I'm looking at that it was like bread and stew and like I was like it's like real actual baked

[01:10:42] and cooked food it's like that is that's worth a 10 day hike yeah oh man and then here comes the slew and storm of journalists and reporters and then life just got very different very fast

[01:10:57] it did so they actually hiked 38 miles in 10 days wow and canessa at the end when they weighed him he weighed 97 pounds wow yeah yeah that's a huge it's huge then it's time to go rest to rescue the

[01:11:23] others but in doing that also they have they've communicated that they're alive and the other survivors are hearing it on the radio that they are alive and then clowy stopped crying and then they also have to read the names like the families are learning who

[01:11:52] survived and the guy who's reading the names that they show reading the names or he's on the phone is actually carlidos payas oh real carlidos yeah nice yeah so he's reading the names real interesting

[01:12:15] seeing them all brought in as skinny and dirty and they're showing them in the shower and the grime is coming off and you know the skinniness like how thin they are and just I mean they're gross

[01:12:33] they haven't showered in how long I mean they've lived in this fuselage and they're just they're a shell of who they were yeah and they have to get back to who they were

[01:12:47] I thought it was really interesting when the end of the film it shows them all in the same hospital room like all together just and you remember that that's kind of how they've lived the last 72 days

[01:13:03] all together in that fuselage yeah and you you know you know as they're getting reacquainted and reconnected with their loved ones that there's just so much that they have you know to tell and

[01:13:20] this and the thing is one thing I appreciated is that Bayana didn't take us through the whole announcement of what happened on the mountain of when they're talking about what happened with the bodies and the dead and I'm glad that he didn't because I don't think the story

[01:13:40] needed it I think the way that ended was right and I loved how as it's going out and the credits are rolling they're showing you pictures of the survivors yeah and actual pictures that like

[01:13:56] Tintin had taken yes which again detail they just like attention to detail because like in the movie like in the scenes where Tintin is taking pictures of them by the fuselage if you look at

[01:14:07] those side by side with the actual photographs like again meticulously crafted the adidas bag and like the placement of people and things like there's a lot of thought and planning that went into it

[01:14:17] oh yeah it was incredible like the attention to detail the last time I saw such attention to detail it was actually and this is going to sound ridiculous but James Cameron and what he put

[01:14:31] into Titanic with the details right down to the wallpaper in the china like that was very very I felt very detailed this I thought I mean incredibly detailed I you couldn't have asked for more from

[01:14:50] this movie one of the differences though that they didn't show is that they only took six people back on the first day the other stayed overnight and then there was another helicopter

[01:15:07] that came back to get the rest of them so it was like a two-day rescue and I guess one of the guys they left one of the um rescuers there overnight and it was quite an experience for for him

[01:15:25] to be there can you imagine I can't I can't I'm sure they left them with some like supplies and food and yes and things like not just like oh you've been doing it for 72 days you watch one more

[01:15:37] you know like yeah I'm sure they still gave them quite a bit of help for that one night before they came back yeah yeah um so you can um so I mean we can talk about Kinesa I think is the

[01:15:52] other person he's the other like main one but I literally I feel like we've covered him think I've covered everything I already had other than him and like Marcelo I will say you know early on like

[01:16:06] right after the crash big props to yeah like these students especially like Roberto was one of them in Marcelo that as you mentioned this earlier immediately jumped to help others like yeah fuels leaking into the cabin people are injured and so like quick action was important they're taking

[01:16:22] you know Roberto's the one who's like I'm a med student like yep he's talking to this one person just set the leg like he's just very into action mode and yeah and that he's carrying

[01:16:34] that responsibility from like day one like day one and that person actually did survive the one that he set the leg it actually he was one that he could set the leg in it and he'd recover

[01:16:46] the other in the injuries that the other two had were just much much worse yeah it was a Zerbino to Gustavo Zerbino also medical student they were taking care of everybody it I think

[01:17:04] one of the things that really stood out to me too was you don't notice it throughout the movie but then you start to notice it and it's Zerbino collecting the effects of the dead yep

[01:17:21] every time somebody would pass he would collect any notes or like little like they're any of their like rosaries and necklaces and small items that were there as he would collect and put together and put them in this little suitcase yeah which then like at the end

[01:17:38] he refuses to leave without that yeah you know the people who they lost there in the mountain you know were coming back home with them in some form and he just takes them out because the

[01:17:51] pilot or the guy on the helicopter is telling him leave it and he turns around sets it down and sits on it goes I'm not going anywhere without it yep it's because there's a weight

[01:18:02] limit on the helicopters right but I mean Zerbino it was kind of like the record of everything I mean it was he wanted to take something back to the families because they were never going to see

[01:18:19] their the bodies of the dead I mean they were not going to see them they were all buried as far as I know they were all buried there the remains were buried on the mountain

[01:18:32] so I mean you can even go you can even go and tour it if you want to like you can go up to the site they do tours sometimes the like survivors will go on the tours too yeah because I think

[01:18:50] they refer to the places the Valley of Tears now yeah yeah I have some other notes that aren't tied to characters they're tied to just different things with the crash and the creation of things

[01:19:05] like David Marty and Monsi Rebe they did all the prosthetic corpses and the wounds they were Oscar winning special effects team that did Pans Labyrinth and they were on board with this

[01:19:23] and are they the ones that are nominated this year for the makeup software? I don't know I'm gonna have to check that out is it different makeup team versus special effects yeah I don't

[01:19:32] know I feel like they nailed it I mean I mean the grime if you even when they know they're gonna be rescued and they're trying to comb their hair and the comb breaks like all those

[01:19:48] little things you know it just shows the the time and the grime that they were all you know that they had all over them I think this movie overall explored things in a more detailed way

[01:20:07] it was deeper and there weren't those over dramatic pieces that I think were in alive I feel like you have to watch a live now so you can see the differences yeah because in a live they they were now some things that I can see where like

[01:20:29] they were added for dramatic purposes right for sure um yeah it several of the survivors have written books about this I have not actually read a book I've just researched it through the internet and watched a lot of the documentaries because there are quite a few documentaries now

[01:20:58] um they did like a hundred hundred hours of interviews with all the living survivors and the families of the victims because they wanted it because Bayonet wanted it to be as

[01:21:14] close to historically accurate as it could be yeah and um at the time that this movie came out before it came out Javier uh methyl had already passed away and Koche in Ciarté was actually dying

[01:21:36] yeah and so he gave him like a special preview so that he could see it that's before he passed away so only two of them have died everyone else is still alive yeah Bayonet he went really deep

[01:21:48] with everything even the sound mixing to make everything seem realistic like the silence even yeah and just the air and everything and and I think the only other note that I have is about

[01:22:04] the music Michael Giacchino oh yeah that's a yeah can't go wrong there uh yeah um he's done a lot of music like Jurassic World let me in he's done stuff for Marvel and Star Wars I mean

[01:22:21] he's been involved in just about every universe there is movie wise I thought the score was pretty perfect um he does such a great job and of course he directed Werewolf by Night Witch

[01:22:36] we've covered on this podcast yeah um so as far as my notes then uh so I've covered a lot of just other kind of extra ones other than just their bird calls were very impressive I don't know how they

[01:22:49] did that uh I can't do that and then yeah just missing Tintin being the photographer I thought was interesting that's like he wanted to have this uh proof of of what they had been through um

[01:23:03] yeah talk about them trying to make themselves look nice and clean for the rescue team the best that they could which is like I mean why not right uh maybe hide all the human remains

[01:23:12] you've been feeding on I don't think they did though I don't know not yeah like they thought about they're like what do we do and it's like it is what it is uh I mean you see them all taking

[01:23:21] little mementos from the plane at least some of them I don't remember which one it was but somebody grabbed the little exit sign that was like the exit row sign that just said exit and I'm like

[01:23:31] I don't know if in reality somebody actually grabbed that but if somebody was mindful enough to do that that is like the best memento to take because it's a huge reminder of the

[01:23:40] odd you overcame and that you were able to exit from that and move back to like to life yeah someone too took that little um piece of metal that Arturo was like carving things into

[01:23:56] um and I and again Zerbino I liked the footage that they showed of him carefully like rolling up and putting each of the items with with the things like the captain's band that

[01:24:11] was Marcelo's and just carefully taking care of those things yeah uh of course I was drawn in enough with this to where I'll admit like when the helicopters come flying in I got emotional

[01:24:26] like for sure it's yeah because it's just you see like finally they're found they're saved and like just to see like it's it's over yeah it was like a huge relief to see the helicopters come in

[01:24:44] and there wasn't the over dramatic pieces that we got in a live this was more subdued and heroic but not over the top and I appreciated that so much I really this is not a movie I'm

[01:25:05] gonna watch a lot right it's heavy for sure it's very heavy like the impossible it's like it's incredible and it's great and it's emotional but like it's heavy and it's a lot and yeah

[01:25:18] yeah it's a lot it's a lot to to consume I mean yeah but it does there is a lot of positivity with this especially like I get that closing is just very beautiful we talked about it a little bit

[01:25:32] but you know we see all of them reuniting with their family and getting cleaned and rested and you see like it's very positive but then you know one of them I again I don't remember but

[01:25:45] their mother is there saying oh it's a miracle it's a miracle and he's like why why is it a miracle it's like you know how many people didn't make it like it's not you know like and people are looking

[01:25:56] at them as heroes and it's like all we did was not die and others did and so like you see that is as beautiful as it is that they're reunited and they're getting cleaned up and

[01:26:06] they're kind of finding their way back to getting great back to the world but they all are carrying a lot of that like pain of the people who didn't make it home also and will continue to do so yeah

[01:26:18] well even in the narration in the beginning Numa talks about tragedy versus merit like some people view it as a tragedy and others view it as a miracle and it kind of is both

[01:26:33] it's a trap it's tragic losses and the miracle of survival yeah so the last thing I have is I mentioned way earlier is kind of this where are they now thing that I looked up at least the article

[01:26:46] it was like today or something but um yeah so we talked about Roberto Dr. Roberto Canessa the pediatric cardiologist uh and him being in this and stuff uh but then yeah as you mentioned out of

[01:27:00] the 1614 are still alive today Jose Luis Coche in Ciarte died of cancer last year and then Javier Metall in 2015 um but Javier did remarry and had four more kids which I thought was interesting

[01:27:20] yeah uh so yeah Roberto Nando Carlitos and Coche all have written books there are books for those and Nando still today is a motivational speaker and travels around and meets with with people and kind of gives these speeches and talks about his situation and things that he went

[01:27:41] through um some of them kind of stay out of the limelight and out of the public eye a little bit more uh Eduardo Stouch is an architect mm-hmm and Poncho actually opened his own law firm and

[01:27:56] is still doing that as a lawyer he is following off with that uh which is great because I mean that's what Numa was going to do mm-hmm yeah uh Gustavo did have a a stint in the medical field

[01:28:09] as well he did go on and do that but now him and Tintin are still involved in rugby uh yeah Gustavo is the director and CEO of the Uruguayan Rugby Federation and then Tintin is the president

[01:28:23] of the Uruguayan Rugby Union so I hope that's pretty cool uh yeah a few of them went back to playing rugby after this whole ordeal I think Roberto Canessa was one I think Zurbina was another

[01:28:39] um it's just fascinating to you know how they're able how they put the pieces back together and that is what the miracle is I think yeah you know the tragedy is everyone who died and

[01:28:53] the miracle is how they lost everyone but they were able to continue their own lives and in a way you know they lived their life you know in honor of those who died mm-hmm and then still to this day

[01:29:11] every year on December 22nd the survivors and their families meet together and have a commemorative get together it's I mean you're bonded by a tragic experience and that's I mean that's what I mean what that's wonderful that they do that that they honor

[01:29:35] you know the dead with that gathering yeah December 22nd again the day that they were rescued and so they they commemorate that as far as the for that day of their rescue but then also

[01:29:48] to commemorate the ones that they lost and to pay respect and honor to them yeah oh it's so deep this is such a hard one just everything that happens and like the impossible

[01:30:04] it's difficult to digest but I think that we've done it yeah I think we have I think that we have talked about everything covered it we got through uh yeah I I'm glad I watched I was gonna watch it

[01:30:22] anyway again Oscar nominated it's going on the list right now as it's going but I held off I could I would have watched it even earlier but I was like you know we're gonna cover it so I'm just

[01:30:31] gonna wait until we get to wait till the nominations are out give it a little bit we'll set and then then we'll cover it I remember when you texted me and said well since you're so excited about it

[01:30:45] we should probably cover it and I was so excited that you said that because I wanted to talk about it this way and I feel like we did it justice yeah it was great um and now it's gonna be

[01:30:59] I get to make all my own like predictions and picks and stuff for Oscars and so far as of recording this it's the only international feature nominee that I've watched

[01:31:09] so I've still got others to get to but uh but yeah I think I've only got one left in makeup and hairstyling aside from this so we'll see we'll see how I've gone stuff it it's it's a

[01:31:22] yeah it was great um curious about what other people have to say about it so there goes the feedback phone and we will give you some good Oscars feedback I hope so all right we actually

[01:31:35] have a lot of feedback coming in this week which I love which yeah makes sense big big movie I know a lot of people within the podcast network and listeners and and friends been looking forward

[01:31:47] to this one and then Oscars so yeah lots of good stuff to talk about so excited to um to go through what we heard from our listeners yeah so let's go ahead and just start it off

[01:32:01] first things first of course from Catherine always can expect something there I love that who says yes I've been so excited to see this since it came on Netflix but had been

[01:32:10] holding out for the yellow jackets coverage I watched a live a few months ago and went on a deep dive then but had to go on another this week the director did an amazing job of getting

[01:32:20] so many details right just like in The Impossible and just like the title wave scene when the plane crashed I was completely frozen unable to blink or look away I can handle the worst scenes in the

[01:32:30] saw franchise but I shuttered and closed my eyes when the scab was picked off and eaten and again when loose teeth were gently wiggled I remember the avalanche was coming but the

[01:32:38] second wave surprised me and I forgot that they were buried for so many days if I had one complaint about a live it was that it ended too quickly I love that in Society of the Snow

[01:32:48] not only did we get to see the details of the rescue like the note thrown across the river and how the survivors gathered mementos of their deceased friends but how difficult both the physical and mental recovery was any chance that this movie was covered because Paik read the

[01:33:01] part in The Shining where Jack imagines what could happen if they were snowed in and references to rugby team I know it's a stretch but a fun coincidence if not I thought I made it

[01:33:10] through without crying but then read that one of the survivors passed away a few months before the movie's official release but the director arranged for him to have an early screening in the end I'm reminded that there are some wonderful things about humanity

[01:33:22] aww yeah yeah it's good yeah definitely brought that up a little bit earlier about that one coach I didn't know that yeah I didn't know that either so that's really great

[01:33:32] and then about the The Shining thing reading that actually no I did actually just read that part today or yesterday but no that coincidental I didn't actually have anything we again just Oscar stuff and we've been talking about this movie or Daphne's really been talking about this

[01:33:55] movie a lot lately so uh so that's why but it is funny you mentioned that up because yeah as you asked that and then I'm like reading The Shining and I did just come across that part

[01:34:06] it just kind of happened to line up as we're recording this but yeah well we also heard from Maria she says this movie was fantastic was one of those that shows

[01:34:19] a lot with few words a live was based on the book that was written as a narrative of the events this one is based on a book written by a good friend of theirs 35 years later in which each

[01:34:31] survivor has a chapter so it's much deeper and emotional I really need to read that book properly honoring those that died and focusing on the efforts of all was great

[01:34:45] the director J.A. Bayona personally talked to all of the families of those who died as did the actors showing the arero the man that found them honors such an important man in their lives

[01:35:00] the actors were also well cast and most are newcomers the director fought for this movie to use Uruguayan Spanish to add to the realism I liked that they showed the rescue and hospital

[01:35:13] scenes afterwards several real survivors did cameos Nando opened the door to his quote family at the airport real Carlitos read the survivor list playing his dad who did this in real life and real

[01:35:28] canessa is behind movie canessa when arriving at the hospital I hope they win at the Oscars they just won 12 awards at Spain's Aguaya Awards I've spent way too much time on YouTube watching interviews

[01:35:43] with the survivors and actors look forward to the podcast Maria me too I have seen so many things there's one interview with Tom Holland is actually like the interviewer interviewing people from the

[01:36:00] movie including J.A. Bayona and you may remember Tom Holland was much younger when he appeared in The Impossible yeah I'm with you Maria I hope they win they in both categories possibly I'll have to

[01:36:19] look at like all the other stuff but yeah international for sure out of what I've seen so far it's very deserving all right we have another one from another Maria different Maria who writes in

[01:36:32] this was such an amazing film and the documentary of the making of the film is a fascinating watch too a thousand times better than the movie alive every actor was given everything was giving everything in every scene you felt the cold pain and emotion they experienced viscerally

[01:36:48] I've been telling everyone I know to watch this movie it deserves every award just don't do what I did and make the horrible mistake of watching this on an airplane oh god uh apparently

[01:36:58] I have a thing for watching this director's movies on airplanes because I did the same thing with The Impossible and was an absolute crying mess in public oh yeah this one does hit you

[01:37:11] at different times and you you can't help but feel pulled into it like you're a part of what's going on and it does really get that emotional reaction so Gloria said a very short

[01:37:26] one that just says it was amazing phenomenal performances I have to agree yes all around and lastly we have one from Jennifer who writes oh I'll look forward to this watched it recently in OG with subs and thought it was absolutely brilliant much better than the

[01:37:42] earlier film alive perhaps more authentic through the language less hollywood I don't know very well acted by everyone involved incredible actually unlike alive it stayed in my head for ages and really had me empathizing and feeling for these poor folks had gone through I don't know how

[01:37:56] they survived the first night in those conditions nevermind 72 days just imagine your thoughts turning to eating your dead friends being absolutely disgusted with yourself not wanting to voice it but also wishing someone else would voice it it's quite a story wow I'm really grateful for

[01:38:13] the feedback that we got on this movie yeah from our listeners one thing I'm learning from a lot of the feedback is even though earlier in the episode Daphne said I should watch alive but I'm learning

[01:38:23] probably not uh based off of the feedback there are things about alive that are really good I just feel like I've been spoiled now with the better thing so why go back right honestly

[01:38:40] I should have told you to watch alive first because now it's just gonna seem like you have watched the HBO version of a show and you're going back and watching the network television version

[01:38:53] yeah it's just not the same and this one I think just because it felt so authentic um it just makes yeah I kind of want to watch alive again just because you know it for a long time

[01:39:13] it was one of those movies that stuck with me but now having society of the snow it's it's like an afterthought now because society this now was just so intense and well put together

[01:39:29] and presented that the other film doesn't hold the candle well if you would like to submit feedback like Catherine Maria Maria Gloria and Jennifer thanks so much guys for all your feedback

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[01:40:21] on in the podcast universe around us even when it's not much really of anything going on right now it's kind of an off week for podcast to come people taking a break I will say the ones who live

[01:40:32] is that what it's called the Walking Dead spin-off show the Rick and Michonne spin-off show is coming very soon so the cast of us with their Walking Dead rewatch they're taking a break they're

[01:40:43] kind of sitting back they're taking the week off to just get ready for that show to come very soon so stay tuned to the cast of us for coverage of the ones who live very soon

[01:40:54] I'm excited I was just gonna ask you are you ready for it I'm so ready I'm ready to watch it I'm ready to listen to Jason and Lucy break it down yeah it's gonna be good to get back into

[01:41:03] what feels like a good proper Walking Dead podcast routine and watching the show and get it it's been a little while I'm ready for it for sure yeah and we're getting Rick and Michonne I mean

[01:41:14] Rick was my favorite character and when he left the show it was it was sad for me because I just you know we'd followed him right from the beginning yeah and I'm just glad that we're getting this piece

[01:41:28] of the story yeah and I have a small inkling suspicion that we might there might be some big surprises coming in that show that have been held very secret and under the radar that there's

[01:41:39] gonna be maybe some cameos or surprise things that nobody's expecting by the time that series wraps up so I'm interested to see what they do with it for sure me too but yeah other than

[01:41:50] that that's really what's going on other than Cara and Penny still slaying of course with their Buffy coverage and go check out them as they're still running through season three they're on

[01:41:59] episode eight this week so go check that out that is lovers walk if you're a Buffy fan definitely need to be listening to their rewatch podcast over there they've been well I say every week it's

[01:42:08] it's a pun that's just outstate it's welcome but they're slaying it uh for sure and that's really it in podcastica we'll give a quick little shout out to TV podcast industries uh Derek and John over there always doing incredible work and they're

[01:42:23] ramping themselves up because the new and final season of the bad batch will be dropping on Disney Plus very soon as well so they're getting ready to do some coverage of that over there so make

[01:42:32] sure to check that out when that is available it's gonna be a good time but yeah other than that that's all that's going on so you can come back right here to run for your lives next week

[01:42:41] because Oscar season continues as we got something coming for you what we got as you just said we are continuing our look at some Oscar nominated films we're also diving back into

[01:42:54] an animated film for the first time in quite a while it's been a bit yeah it has we're gonna cover the animated fantasy adventure film nemona yeah it's available on netflix right now and original over

[01:43:09] there so make sure to go check that out and yeah give us your thoughts on that one it's it's quite a crazy wild romp evident venture movie it's really funny really fun great lighthearted stuff

[01:43:22] but there is some uh really important uh more heavy themes and stuff also touched on and talked about in that film that it's not quite so subtle but it's I think it's very important we have a really

[01:43:34] good time uh watching and talking about a lot of that stuff so check it out yeah I didn't know what to think going into that one because I knew nothing about it and I'm not gonna tell you my thoughts

[01:43:47] you'll just have to listen next week with that we've reached the end of our episode thanks everyone for listening I'm Daphne and I'm Peyke and if you have to run you better rub for your lives bye