Run For Your Lives Podcast Episode 172: Final Girl

[00:00:00] Hey everyone, welcome to the show. I'm Daphne. And I'm Pake. And this is the Run for Your

[00:00:39] Lives Podcast. This week we are going to talk about the action horror film Final Girl that

[00:00:46] was directed by Tyler Shields and released through Video on Demand August 14th, 2015. And

[00:00:53] I had never heard of this movie even once in my life until Daphne brought this up. It's

[00:00:59] like, hey, let's cover this one kind of quick, easy one. It's just been like a busy time

[00:01:03] of the year. It's not like an excuse for anything because we're still going to have

[00:01:06] fun. We're not looking at this like throwaway stuff. I think we're still going to have

[00:01:09] fun with this one. But yeah, I had never heard of this movie, which is a little

[00:01:13] surprising considering the cast, but really some of them. Yeah. It was an experience.

[00:01:23] I thought that it might be. I knew that if we covered this movie, we would have a lot

[00:01:29] of fun with it because there are some things that are kind of cool and then there are

[00:01:35] some casting ideas that are great. And then there, yeah, it's just a whole lot of something.

[00:01:44] So I'll come clean about my thoughts on this movie from the beginning, I guess with two

[00:01:50] thoughts one, I say that was definitely one of the movies I've seen in my life. And

[00:01:55] then another one was if I was trying to like come up with like a little tag line

[00:02:01] for it and let's see if I can find a few good actors trying their hardest to believe, to

[00:02:09] believably deliver some of the worst dialogue ever written. That's my tag line.

[00:02:17] Yeah, I think that's pretty accurate. Yeah. There were things I really liked about this

[00:02:23] movie and things I was kind of like, oh, it could be so much better if someone else

[00:02:28] wrote the script because the way it was shot, I liked. I like some of the noir feel to it.

[00:02:37] Yeah, there's a few things that one thing that I can definitely point that I liked.

[00:02:43] But yeah, it was just like the concept, the premise is really interesting.

[00:02:49] But they somehow managed to take a really interesting concept of, oh,

[00:02:52] take the damsel in distress, but she's actually like a covert operative

[00:02:57] who's going in where like the serial killers think that she's another just helpless damsel

[00:03:03] in distress victim when really the tables are going to turn. I was like,

[00:03:06] oh, that's a great premise too bad you really botched it and made me not care at all about

[00:03:13] a lot of it. Unfortunately. No, if that's fair, I think I think it was better the first time

[00:03:20] I watched it because this time I was like, oh, well, we're going to have some fun with this

[00:03:26] because it's definitely not as good as I thought it was. But there were still things that I thought

[00:03:34] were good and the cast is really good. Like it's a great cast. There's great cast, like I said,

[00:03:39] there's like good actors who are trying their damnedest to deliver this stuff. But even with

[00:03:45] like the caliber of cast, it still was just like it just came across as phony and because

[00:03:52] like West Bentley, I love West Bentley. And I was like, man, he's such a great actor. And yet

[00:03:58] like he is doing the best he can with this trash. Like he's he's really working it. He's

[00:04:05] trying to make me believe it. But like, man, or like even Alexander Ludwig, I enjoy but like

[00:04:11] again, he's doing the best he can now Abigail Breslin, maybe not the strongest performance

[00:04:18] I've seen from her. I think she was, I don't know, I'm not going to just like assume things

[00:04:22] about people that she might have been phoned in some of this in. I don't know.

[00:04:29] Yeah, I have to agree with that. The only one that I thought was over the top sinister

[00:04:36] like was I think it was Logan Huffman who played Danny.

[00:04:44] And the award for most over the top theatrical performance goes to Logan Huffman because life

[00:04:50] is just a fifties Broadway played old Danny here. He's a Jersey boy through and through,

[00:04:54] right? Yes, absolutely. And I bought him more of being the menacing bad guy because of

[00:05:02] the way he was playing it, although it was very over the top. And I feel like he had to be

[00:05:07] that over the top just to get the point across that he was kind of whacked. Yeah, but the others,

[00:05:16] they had little quirks like Nelson had this thing going with his mother. Right? It's like

[00:05:24] there's like these these little morsels in there. Like that could be really interesting

[00:05:29] or weird or fun if you would explore anymore. You're not giving us any more information.

[00:05:35] So it just comes across as weird. Yeah. And Alexander Ludwig as Jameson,

[00:05:41] he's a great leading man, I think we've seen him in other things. Yeah, if this was the only thing

[00:05:47] I'd ever seen him in, I would they would paint him in a very different light in my head. Yeah. Oh,

[00:05:52] he's the pretty boy who like thinks he can act and sometimes he can hit something. Okay. But

[00:05:57] I know what he's more capable of because I mean obviously some people might know unfortunately

[00:06:03] not enough people apparently was the problem. Right. But some people listening might know,

[00:06:07] I mean he's a spade in the show Heels and which that's that's a TV show cancellation that will

[00:06:14] forever make me angry for eternity until that wrong like that wrong is righted,

[00:06:19] which maybe it's either yeah back up so I'm going to keep hoping but no because he's incredible

[00:06:24] in that so thankful like thankfully for me, I went into watching this knowing what Alexander

[00:06:30] Ludwig is capable from starring in Heels to be like, Okay, he was young. He was just trying to

[00:06:35] make a trying to do what he could do here yet at the same time I think he was starring in Vikings,

[00:06:43] which he played Bjorn. I mean badass. Yes, I haven't seen Vikings yet, but I've heard it

[00:06:49] in that too. Yeah, he was fantastic in that he played Kato in The Hunger Games,

[00:06:54] which also starred Wes Bentley. And Kato was one of those, you know, privileged kids that came

[00:07:01] from I think District one or two and he was, you know, a star. I have seen The Hunger Games, but

[00:07:07] I guess the first one it's been long enough that I totally forgot he was in that but yeah.

[00:07:11] Yeah, and Abigail Breslin come on. I mean she's been in so many great films Little Miss Sunshine,

[00:07:18] My Sister's Keeper is another one which is rip your heart out. She was in Zombie Land like she's

[00:07:27] been in a lot of great movies and yeah, I felt like it's not the strongest performance I've seen

[00:07:35] from her. No, I wanted to love it. I think her character had a lot of potential. Yeah,

[00:07:43] and I feel like instead of amping things up as high, they put all the amping into Danny's character

[00:07:51] and everyone else was way down. And I wish that they had toned him just a tad and amped everybody

[00:07:58] out because I think it could have been better. Like and these are people that have been in,

[00:08:04] you know, some great films as we've talked about Cameron Bright was in, oh my gosh, when he

[00:08:12] was younger he was in this movie called God's End and that is one that is, it's real kind of creepy.

[00:08:21] But he also then went on to be in the Twilight movies. So yeah, I'll let you decide on that one.

[00:08:30] But yeah, I think there was a lot of potential. I think it got left kind of.

[00:08:41] Yeah, and the movie's short. It's just over an hour and 20 minutes where like honestly, I mean,

[00:08:47] I say this but like with some hesitation to say like you could have made this movie a little bit

[00:08:53] longer and fleshed out some of these stories to like make us care because there's so many

[00:08:57] questions that I had that were just ignored and never answered. But I say with hesitation

[00:09:02] because I'm also like, but would I really want to watch more of this movie if it was like the

[00:09:06] way that it is because it already even being a short film or not like a short film but like

[00:09:11] a shorter movie still felt like it was dragging on way too long in some points.

[00:09:17] Yeah, like there's just a lot of like when they're sitting around playing like the truth

[00:09:20] or dare pulling the things I was like, see this is when editing stuff out would have been okay.

[00:09:26] Like you can cut this down so you can focus on other things because like

[00:09:31] I was like, can we just get to the part where they're trying to kill her and she

[00:09:34] turns the tables on them because right now me just the build up to that with this whole scene is

[00:09:39] torture for me. So can we move along? I wanted the shit to hit the fan. Like that's what I was

[00:09:45] hoping for. I'm like, bring it on. I'm ready. Glad it hit the fan because then it's going to

[00:09:50] amp up and be good. And there wasn't enough of it. Like I liked some of the filming

[00:09:57] like how it was dark and some of the colors like the reds and the whites really popped in.

[00:10:04] Tyler Shields is a photographer. Like he's not really known for making movies.

[00:10:12] That makes sense because there's a lot of artistically set up shots that don't really make

[00:10:18] sense. No, it was like what's with the giant spotlights in the woods everywhere? I don't know

[00:10:24] that's not where the moon is. So I don't know what that's from.

[00:10:29] So he's a well-known photographer. He actually at one point was dating Clint Eastwood's daughter

[00:10:35] Francesca and they did some photo series that was actually got them in a lot of trouble. They

[00:10:42] took a Birkenbag which is a very expensive purse lined. It was $100,000 purse and they

[00:10:55] lit it on fire. They used a chainsaw on it like it was for artistic purposes. They did all this

[00:11:02] stuff, did not go over well. People were not pleased with what they were doing that. He has

[00:11:09] a very unique vision. As far as I know, he's never directed another thing. Like this was it.

[00:11:17] Because that kind of eye, it just didn't translate well for film because I can see like there's like

[00:11:26] artistic shots from a photographer's mind. I'm like, yeah, no, that's a cool shot whenever

[00:11:31] you're just looking at something in a very small area when you're scoped in. But then on

[00:11:36] a wide screen, even just the editing you think because I'm jumping around a lot but I'm just

[00:11:41] getting to some of these notes that I had anyway. I mean, when Jameson is there at the end when he's

[00:11:47] in this noose like hanging, I'm like what is the noose attached to? There's not a tree anywhere

[00:11:52] near him. No. It's just from the rafters on the set that it's then. It's like if that was a

[00:11:58] photo where you're just in, it's like okay cool. But when you're on a set and you're panned

[00:12:03] out and there's people moving and talking, you're like there's literally nothing he's hanging from

[00:12:06] and I can tell that and it takes me out of it. Yeah. I think that there were a lot of lost

[00:12:12] opportunities and if I told this story, if I was in charge of it, I would have flipped it around

[00:12:20] and given you a different scenario where maybe at the beginning you do see someone running through

[00:12:27] the woods being chased but you don't know who's doing it and then maybe you cut to these kids

[00:12:36] and you don't know that it's them. Like you learn more about them and then it's a surprise

[00:12:40] that it's them. It's been done though a million times. I feel like what they tried to do was do

[00:12:46] it a little bit different but they didn't give you enough of a morsel to really care. Like

[00:12:54] I wanted Veronica to succeed because I liked what we saw of her. I just felt like it was so subdued.

[00:13:03] Like she had some great, like there were some fun comebacks that she had. Yeah. And I liked

[00:13:10] that she dished things back to Jameson but it was weak. Yeah. It was just so weak that

[00:13:20] it's like, ugh. And we're talking about the name of this movie is Final Girl. We're talking about a

[00:13:26] trope. We're talking about people that are left in horror movies like Laurie Strode or Jamie Lloyd

[00:13:37] both from the Halloween franchise. There are so many different movies. Nancy from

[00:13:43] Nightmare on Elm Street. The Final Girl is like this powerful thing. We'll think back to when we

[00:13:50] did Behind the Mask. Like Leslie Vernon had a whole speech about the importance of the Final Girl.

[00:13:55] Yes. And I feel like Veronica could have been stronger. They could have really dug into

[00:14:05] William Moore. Like we could have really maybe seen him with his wife and daughter.

[00:14:10] Like seeing that situation. Those things. It's like this whole thing has started off because

[00:14:15] somebody killed his wife and daughter. Are we allowed to assume that it was Jameson? I guess.

[00:14:19] I don't. But it's never spelled out. Like. And how could it be? Because Jameson is like a 17-

[00:14:25] year old. He would have had to have been a kid. Like when it happened. Well, I guess

[00:14:31] Jameson mentioned something. Well no the grandfather didn't think was about Jennifer

[00:14:34] which was weird. No but it seemed like I got these hints that maybe this was a generational thing.

[00:14:41] Yes. That is what I'm thinking when he was telling the story about the rabbit.

[00:14:48] Because at one point when it's time for them to go after Veronica, he tells her run rabbit run.

[00:14:57] So in addition to that plus the way he phrased the story, I was thinking that his father

[00:15:04] maybe was teaching him the family business. Yeah. When they were going out after the rabbit.

[00:15:12] So I'm thinking they were just continuing on a tradition in the town.

[00:15:16] Yeah because what we think we did, we learned that Nelson's father is in prison.

[00:15:20] So. Well in the mess hall yeah. So maybe that's also a thing that connected to it.

[00:15:27] That like it's the son's continuing on what the father's had been doing.

[00:15:31] So maybe William's wife and daughter were killed by Jameson and Nelson's father's or you know.

[00:15:37] Yeah I mean. This stuff like I'm having to like assume because none of it is given to us so I don't

[00:15:43] know. Yeah it's an unanswered question. So in my head that's the story I've created

[00:15:49] and sometimes it's fun to try to make up your own story especially if the movie doesn't give

[00:15:54] you enough really to go on then you just create your own and that's kind of what I did with

[00:16:00] this one. Yeah. So we did not even get into the part where I get to talk about where this has been

[00:16:09] filmed. Oh yeah we skipped ahead into already covered. We're already talking and I feel like

[00:16:15] we've already covered it so that was great, Paik. I think we're done. I'm just kidding.

[00:16:22] We did it. No. So this movie was filmed in Vancouver British Columbia Canada.

[00:16:29] We've already talked about it being directed by Tyler Shields. Was his directorial debut?

[00:16:35] I don't think he's had another movie. 84 minutes long. Paik burying us a synopsis.

[00:16:43] As we already have kind of talked about a little bit yeah. A man teaches a young woman how to

[00:16:47] become a complete weapon so that later she's approached by a group of sadistic teens who

[00:16:52] kill blonde women for unknown reasons and the hunting season begins. I think that's great.

[00:16:58] IMDb. Yeah. Yeah it's good. Yeah. Even the IMDb one is like for reasons. I don't know.

[00:17:08] Stuff and things. Yeah. Because the script said so so that's what they're doing.

[00:17:17] Yeah because there's a lot of things with William. Like we'll get to that when we get

[00:17:22] to him. I've got thoughts but yeah. We'll do like we usually do. We'll kind of still go with

[00:17:27] character notes. I've jumped around and done a bunch for some already but

[00:17:31] yeah we'll put bring it back in line a little bit so obviously we start with the final girl Veronica.

[00:17:40] I had higher hopes for her just because. Yeah so we start off I mean the first thing we see

[00:17:46] of her is like she's like this young girl both of her parents have died somehow and

[00:17:52] again just a lot of things like I don't know this guy William has found her and knows that she is

[00:17:57] gifted and smart and capable of maybe being this you know he kind of I mean it is it's

[00:18:06] kind of grooming her to grow up to become this like killer and self-defense kind of thing.

[00:18:13] It's a little you know she's showing this kind of foreshadowing the survival capability

[00:18:18] she's pragmatic she's working out this maze really quickly she has this photographic memory

[00:18:23] about locations all these really cool things that come into play not at all.

[00:18:29] You know it honestly made me think of the movie Atomic Blonde which Charlie's there on was

[00:18:38] an assassin. Yeah but here are the things that she's taught and the things she knows already

[00:18:43] and the things she's taught like none of it is used or comes into play really at all other than the

[00:18:49] which she chokes out Jameson at the end like that's one flashback we get but like

[00:18:54] everything else it's like no there's a lot of stuff set up that went nowhere but

[00:19:01] yeah she has it lying she's like people die all the time and William says that's a good way to

[00:19:04] look at it and I was like is it really though is that a good healthy way for a child to be

[00:19:09] looking at things are you sure about that William? Yeah no I don't know that he was

[00:19:15] really looking at her age and what was appropriate. Yeah and I guess where what is his funding

[00:19:23] he says lots of funds and times because I was like is she is like is he recruiting her

[00:19:27] is this for the government or is it just him personal and then like you kind of say he's

[00:19:31] like it seems just like a personal vendetta he has where did he come from who is he

[00:19:35] what you know what connections does he have I don't know. Nothing is fleshed out at all it also

[00:19:42] was kind of like Black Widow in a way but not without all the backstory and understanding

[00:19:48] of what's going on it's kind of like yep she's an assassin here you go you don't get much time to

[00:19:54] figure it out. This random guy in a suit trained her. Yep no idea I mean to me he

[00:20:02] was supplying her with you know DMT and truth serum you know drugs and having her run

[00:20:11] barefoot in the woods. Yeah he's training her for something that she's got to be prepared

[00:20:16] for the most like roughest conditions and to be fighting from underneath to be the underdog

[00:20:21] which makes sense like I was like okay I see where that's going we get this like all these

[00:20:25] like kind of training montages with them doing this and doing that uh which I'm sorry at the

[00:20:31] end of that he's like so I wanted to test you to make sure that you could fight under all these

[00:20:35] different conditions and now that I know that you've clearly shown that you can't I'm proud

[00:20:38] and your training is done you're ready. She seemed like fail everything I was like literally

[00:20:44] nothing showed showing that she's prepared other than she choked one dude out in the bathroom

[00:20:49] but other than that like I don't see that she's ready that's not the vibe I get.

[00:20:54] Well she did shoot him despite the fact there were no bullets in the gun

[00:20:58] he told her to shoot him and wound him and she was doing it like she was doing what she was told

[00:21:04] except there were no bullets in the gun and I think if you had a gun you would be able to feel

[00:21:11] the weight difference of not having any bullets in the gun.

[00:21:15] Having held the gun before yeah I think you would be able to feel the difference.

[00:21:21] Right and then there's the weird

[00:21:25] like love angle that they don't really do much with but also like it's kind of like a hang up

[00:21:32] she's got where she's just like he just seems so unavailable like clearly she like is in love

[00:21:35] with him and he but like immediately like in the hotel room when she comes out in the towel I was

[00:21:40] like no I hate this a lot. Yeah. I was like we literally just watched him interact with her as

[00:21:46] a little girl and he has practically raised her and any hint of romantic interests either way between

[00:21:52] them it literally made me sick to my stomach and I was like please don't do that ever again movie

[00:21:57] don't. I was like if you bring this back up I know I'm supposed to record on this but I'm going to

[00:22:01] turn this off because it makes me feel very uneasy and I hate it a lot. Well he told her

[00:22:06] you have a bed over there and she's trying to come on to him and he's just not reciprocating

[00:22:13] at all but he lets her lay this. What's the weird thing at the end with the pancakes? I don't know.

[00:22:21] Fucking pancake. Why? What? What do you think it is, Paik? I don't want to think about it.

[00:22:26] I don't want to know. I don't care.

[00:22:31] I don't know what it was. They were the worst pancakes ever or something. I know what was the

[00:22:36] terrible... I don't yeah I don't get it so that's one of my thoughts. I mean I'm jumping

[00:22:41] again but that's fine because with William like it's this whole like when he's set up it's like

[00:22:46] alright you're gonna have to do this mission alone because reasons vague stare but then after it's over

[00:22:54] and Jameson is dead and then I was like oh so William was just there with a gun so the whole

[00:23:02] you have to do this mission alone thing why is he there why did she have to do it? It's like

[00:23:07] well we could explain that by saying oh look there's no time we have to get to the next

[00:23:11] scene don't worry about it let's go. Let's go eat pancakes. It's like no you can try to make

[00:23:15] you know try to make some kind of sense of it and there's like we could but

[00:23:19] but we got to do the pancake thing you know that's more important right now. It is it's more important.

[00:23:25] William the vaguest man alive. Waste of talent waste of talent.

[00:23:33] He had you know little lines here and there like do you know what a gun is without bullets?

[00:23:40] Just a paperweight but it was just so like

[00:23:44] it might as well have been I don't know. You know those videos online where they have

[00:23:53] some automated voice read them and yeah that's what it could have been I mean really

[00:24:00] I mean she's just like why can't I just shoot them like that would be easier

[00:24:05] and I'm like yes it would why are we playing this game?

[00:24:08] Well because if you're out of bullets then what are you gonna do it's like then I use the

[00:24:12] hand-to-hand combat stuff that I'm also being trained with but if I can save myself the danger

[00:24:17] and problem by just going in there with a hidden gun and then shooting them and then leaving

[00:24:23] it's like but then the movie would be over in 20 minutes so we can't have that.

[00:24:28] Well I mean we could cut a lot of this out and make it a short film anyway.

[00:24:32] I you know it might even be more interesting.

[00:24:37] Yeah one aspect of the movie I guess I'll say that I thought was interesting is this

[00:24:44] yeah the truth serum mixed with the the DMT so it's like a hallucinogenic truth serum although

[00:24:51] the truth serum part never came into play also like not really like they weren't really like

[00:24:58] confessing their stuff because even then it's like there wasn't a lot of like truth telling it was more

[00:25:04] the hallucination parts which I guess the truth serum part is that it's supposed to bring out your

[00:25:09] inner truth of what you're most afraid of which is a very weird specific thing that a thing would do

[00:25:16] but at least then you know it kind of kept going back and then we can see a little bit

[00:25:19] about these characters like we see Veronica's biggest fear is being abandoned or given up on

[00:25:24] by William because she has a very unhealthy deep connection to him.

[00:25:32] But I really think a lot of that is because he offered her ice cream as a child.

[00:25:37] No I'm just kidding.

[00:25:38] Right yes.

[00:25:40] I think it's that he was all she had I mean she lost her parents she had nobody else and he

[00:25:49] was all she had and so she put all of her faith in him and he gave her ice cream.

[00:25:55] He promised her all the ice cream she could eat.

[00:25:57] Yes because we know that's why it's illegal to give children ice cream

[00:26:03] because they immediately form a very unhealthy and inappropriate bond that's how that goes.

[00:26:10] I mean we saw Nelson got ice cream from his mom and we see what their relationships like so

[00:26:15] that's the real story of this movie is ice cream is dangerous don't give it to people

[00:26:21] without consequences.

[00:26:22] I thought it was ice cream you can take it wherever you go.

[00:26:26] Oh wait that was another message okay.

[00:26:34] Notes for them but yeah the ice cream cone that the magical ice cream cone that transforms into

[00:26:39] a bat on the way out the door.

[00:26:41] Isn't that great?

[00:26:42] Yeah.

[00:26:43] Really?

[00:26:44] Yeah and then when they get in the car and then like they pick up the others and Danny's biting

[00:26:47] on his axe and I was like it hasn't transformed back into an ice cream cone yet as he hoped it

[00:26:52] would see it doesn't work the other way around.

[00:26:54] That was the problem.

[00:26:55] That's the problem there yeah.

[00:26:57] Ice cream can turn into weapons but the weapons can't turn back into ice cream.

[00:27:00] Sorry Danny.

[00:27:01] Yeah he had tons of fun things to say like you're gonna love my friend Annabelle

[00:27:08] she is to die for and it's all these it's based on the fact these people that they've killed like

[00:27:15] they were basically.

[00:27:16] He named his axe Annabelle.

[00:27:19] Oh okay I missed that.

[00:27:21] Which yeah that first line didn't give that away and so then he kept going it's like

[00:27:27] yeah she's you know she's real ground something grounded is like she's got an edge

[00:27:33] on her it's like yeah she's real sharp and then it's like okay now you're hounding it's

[00:27:39] like I didn't get the Annabelle thing then you made sure that I knew it was the axe

[00:27:42] and then you kept going I'm like yes we get it it's the axe got it.

[00:27:47] Okay no I didn't get it I think I was just choosing to ignore it.

[00:27:52] I thought it was kind of ridiculous because he was so over the top and laughing and I just was like

[00:27:58] Oh please Veronica take him out first because I don't want to listen to him anymore.

[00:28:06] Oh man he was too much way too much for me.

[00:28:12] We get the scene we get ice cream uh get the scene of Veronica going in and talking to

[00:28:17] Jenny to Jennifer which that was like a weird scene it's like are you trying to get information

[00:28:23] are you hitting on her because I can't tell the difference and I don't think she can either.

[00:28:27] Well because I think the delivery it was some of the delivery was kind of like uh yeah.

[00:28:34] It was she keeps talking about that milkshake she goes back to the car with William she's like

[00:28:38] that's a great milkshake I said well if you like the milkshake you should drink it

[00:28:42] you should probably actually drink it. Yeah she didn't drink hardly any of it. No

[00:28:47] but of course while wasting a perfectly good milkshake she did get some

[00:28:51] seemingly important information uh that the boys were kind of at each other's throats and

[00:28:56] that she might have an advantage she pulls them apart so I'm like oh yeah that's going to be a

[00:28:59] big ploy you know in a big play for her she's gonna go in there and put them at odds against

[00:29:03] each other and that's going to be a big advantage and then they didn't do that.

[00:29:08] No. At all. So. No none of that happened.

[00:29:11] No none of that happened. There was a there was a moment because we have where where

[00:29:17] Jenny shows up and then Jamison is hitting on her and being a creep I was like oh he's a total

[00:29:22] creep to girls he even the ones he knows okay great and then that's when Shane walks in and

[00:29:29] catches them together and then they have this whole fight thing and I was just like here's

[00:29:32] where the pitting them against each other part comes in it was like the writers just

[00:29:36] forgot to actually include Veronica in it happening at all but then we learned Jenny wasn't even there

[00:29:44] because that was Shane's fear was that she would which okay they actually kind of got me with

[00:29:49] that one I didn't expect that twist I was like okay cool but then I was like but then that means

[00:29:52] he never fought with Jamison and the turning them on each other thing still actually never

[00:29:58] happened so the real twist was that that was a useless part of the plot.

[00:30:03] Yeah kind of yes. It was interesting too because you see Shane step in between them like he wants

[00:30:13] to protect Jenny and then he's choking. You don't kill my girlfriend only I kill my girlfriend.

[00:30:22] Yeah it was a bit crazy actually it was a lot crazy. Yeah. It was interesting watching their

[00:30:29] fears come to life though because I have to tell you Danny's what was with the pandas.

[00:30:33] So I guess Danny's biggest fear is guys in panda masks all right sure go with that.

[00:30:41] That made me laugh that brought an emotion out of me laughter. I'm like what on earth

[00:30:51] is this? Really pandas. Yeah I guess so. And it just was interesting how they

[00:31:01] interspliced him fighting with the pandas and him fighting with Veronica.

[00:31:07] Yeah which they did that for all of the different like vaccinations as she was like

[00:31:11] standing in like they would see her as whatever which I don't know how that makes sense really

[00:31:17] because the drug's not connected to her but okay we'll go with it which Nelson's I was very confused by.

[00:31:27] You hear his mother's voice and it seems like it's something to do with his mother maybe abandoning

[00:31:32] him but then there are these guys in ski masks and I don't know what that represents.

[00:31:37] Yeah it was thoroughly confusing because there's a group of masked men like burglars

[00:31:43] but then his mom and then he's like I knew you'd turn on me and who are you even talking to.

[00:31:48] Okay and then like it looks like he's being abducted by aliens because there's just this

[00:31:53] big spotlight from above on him in a circle and I was like well I'm gonna call it now

[00:31:59] before it happens his head is gonna land directly on that unfortunately placed rock in the

[00:32:03] circle of light he's standing in but I was wrong never mind rock was gonna land on his head.

[00:32:08] Yeah that was lovely.

[00:32:15] After like he like fell over and he was like laying this way and then it cut back to like oh it's not

[00:32:22] these masked men it's actually Veronica and then he was laying a different direction so

[00:32:28] that was another problem and then when Jameson runs across Danny's body and he's

[00:32:33] laying in a different position with a smile on his face instead of that weird whatever

[00:32:37] was going on before so I was like I think there's a bigger problem in these woods guys

[00:32:41] there's bodies that just keep changing position and stuff on their own that might be a bigger

[00:32:46] problem are we dealing with ghosts zombies I don't know but something else in these woods is

[00:32:51] happening. There were a lot of continuity errors like that I think it was difficult to

[00:32:58] really keep track of them and you it had to be suspension of disbelief

[00:33:02] mm-hmm you know I mean even the point where Nelson gave up his belt to tie up Veronica and yet

[00:33:12] when she's fighting him he's wearing his belt do you think he stopped to pick it up and put that on

[00:33:20] he probably did yeah I didn't notice that which they kept setting things up and then

[00:33:26] not paying them off because again yeah she kills Danny with his own axe yes great

[00:33:31] but she doesn't play with the axe in the car you have this whole scene of her

[00:33:35] wielding the bat and having Nelson's bat so I'm like oh then she's definitely killing Nelson

[00:33:39] with his own bat when and I was like hopefully she can swing it better than whatever that was which

[00:33:44] I hate to assume was the best shot they could get but um then we get to the Nelson's death

[00:33:49] scene I was like oh guess what she didn't the bat was not in play at all so no again another

[00:33:55] thing that could have been some fun little foreshadowing that wasn't

[00:34:00] well I wondered if maybe you know they had her in the car wielding the bat at one point

[00:34:06] I thought well what if she is really cool and you decide we really don't want to hurt her because

[00:34:11] she's actually very cool and now that didn't have anything to do with it well like yeah there

[00:34:18] was no point to that scene yeah other than Jameson kind of does that at the end but that's

[00:34:24] after she's murdered all of his friends and he's like oh now I think you're cool how about we just

[00:34:29] like let's get married and go murder people together and she's like oh so you are crazy got it yes

[00:34:35] exactly yeah so the hallucinatory truth serum does come back with the she has it in the flask

[00:34:42] which was nice again that's a bit of writing I'm like okay it's cool that you let that be

[00:34:46] a through line you do something yeah um and then I will say one highlight I'll give Abigail

[00:34:54] Breslin is the scene where like they take her out to the woods where she's she's a great job as an

[00:35:00] actress of pretending to pretend like when her character is pretending something like

[00:35:06] Veronica's a better actress than Abigail Breslin is in this movie um but no she's doing a good

[00:35:12] job at pretending to be scared and helpless and not know what's going on when obviously

[00:35:16] we know she's been prepped for this situation so she's voluntarily entered into yeah so which

[00:35:22] that's the plan she wants to make them think that she's weak and she's terrified so that it's easy

[00:35:26] to turn the tables on them and I was so then I was like once we get that is like okay can we get

[00:35:31] to that part please yes I was ready for that part honestly I think most of the movie went by

[00:35:37] before we even got to that part and I just feel like she dispatched them very quickly and it might

[00:35:43] have been better to drag that out more than some of the other stuff like I don't know they're

[00:35:52] yeah this movie suffered from a lot of things but pacing was definitely one of them yeah um Abigail

[00:36:00] Breslin did a lot of her own stunts in the movie though that's like you know running through the

[00:36:05] woods all of that yeah she did a lot of her own stunts that way the fight scenes and stuff which is

[00:36:14] kind of cool so uh I don't really have any more notes on her necessarily but bouncing around a lot

[00:36:23] of my notes are kind of the boys jaymas and danny the boys and yeah but not like the boys

[00:36:33] like amazon prime the boys superhero the boys they're not that cool but that's just kind of what

[00:36:38] they're referred to it and not by their names is just like the boys the boys picking you up later

[00:36:43] what are you and the boys gonna do now these boys have killed a lot of people it's just kind of

[00:36:47] all that they sound like okay that's that's what they are I guess yeah well I mean let's talk

[00:36:53] about the boys let's hear it for the boys okay uh okay you're very musical tonight oh it's only

[00:37:02] gonna get worse okay so they admit that they've killed 10 to 12 girls or at least that's what we know

[00:37:13] but then jaymason said at the end he'd killed 21 so he's been at this longer than the others I

[00:37:19] think yeah uh which 12 21 it doesn't matter I was like the the character of jennifer kind of frustrated

[00:37:26] because I'm like she she definitely knows what's going on or at least has a good suspicion is either

[00:37:32] either that and she says nothing or she's real real dumb uh because this doesn't seem like a very

[00:37:39] big town no and so when you've had at least 12 girls going missing and clearly her boyfriend

[00:37:47] and his friends have interacted with all of them in some version or some way and she's probably been

[00:37:52] around for a lot of them like she was with Gwen when jaymason's talking her up so it's like

[00:37:57] how is she not put together the pieces yet because I'm not really sure I thought it was

[00:38:05] interesting does she and chayne live together in that little house that's what it seemed like

[00:38:11] although they're 17 and it seems like they're in high school and they have prom every night

[00:38:18] and yeah the whole thing with the tuxedos all the time yeah I I yeah I didn't get because when

[00:38:25] when jaymason shows up even to talk to because I was like well maybe that like the first scene

[00:38:28] when we see them talking to Gwen I was like oh maybe it's after prom so they're all wearing suits

[00:38:34] but then like the next night Veronica's in there and jaymason comes in and sits with her

[00:38:38] and starts talking which I was like see now that's somebody who can finish a milkshake

[00:38:42] even if he is a weirdo who constantly wears a suit into the diner and I was like what

[00:38:48] I was very confused and then even looking around to other people in the diner like not only just

[00:38:53] Veronica is wearing this dress but like the people sitting at like the bar in the diner have

[00:38:57] like nice like suits and dresses on I was like is is there a formal dress code to this denji

[00:39:03] roadside diner is that but then I noticed everybody there's every single person no matter where

[00:39:10] they are is wearing some kind of nice formal evening wear and I was like the town of vegsburg

[00:39:15] where it's illegal to own or wear any casual or comfortable clothing you must be dressed to the

[00:39:23] nines everywhere you go under penalty of law you know what peg that's not a place I want to live

[00:39:30] no not at all that would be a lot of effort every single day no I don't think so

[00:39:35] mm-hmm that's too much yeah and it's also illegal to own too much stuff in this town

[00:39:41] apparently also because every room that they show is huge and sparsely varnished and decorated

[00:39:47] there's so much empty space well they evidently don't understand feng shui no

[00:39:56] there's not any balance it's a lot of space a little bit of furniture there's nothing

[00:40:01] you balance it all out no there's nothing frivolous at all it's all just like basic furniture

[00:40:08] yeah that's not a lot it's a weird town have to dress up everywhere you go no matter what

[00:40:16] but you can't own too much stuff every all your rooms have to be huge and vacant

[00:40:22] that doesn't sound fun I think to me it seemed like to take place in like the 50s

[00:40:28] like it seemed very old school to me like yeah that's what I was trying to figure out like especially

[00:40:34] with Danny because it's like oh my god what is what is he doing stuff like also he's a ventriloquist

[00:40:42] who can sing Louis Armstrong songs while moving his mouth in a completely different way than what

[00:40:46] those words and sounds should look like so he's he's got some ability as well good for him

[00:40:52] that well he could have gone on what Ed Sullivan you know one of those shows that he could have

[00:41:00] gone on a variety show and performed yeah but yeah man there's just so many thoughts with this

[00:41:07] like you mentioned Jennifer and Shane in that room which gets giant empty room with the bed

[00:41:15] it's like what do you guys do out there home nothing special we hunt and I was like oh that's

[00:41:19] a totally normal thing to say and it's not ominous at all and definitely not the biggest red flag I've

[00:41:24] ever seen cool thanks babe yeah I mean you're gonna wear a tuxedo to hunt it just doesn't make sense

[00:41:33] and even later when we have the Jennifer coming out there but it's not really Jennifer and

[00:41:38] she's talking to Jameson about them being out there dressed like that hunting like it doesn't

[00:41:45] you know dressed in a tuxedo it doesn't make sense but then we figure out it's Veronica

[00:41:51] yeah this town is just weird because I mean I'm aside from the clothing it's just a

[00:41:54] lawless wasteland I mean Nelson and his mom you know the boys come to get you oh any minute now

[00:42:01] so you're getting picked up any minute now and you're also gonna eat some ice cream but you

[00:42:06] only took like one bite of your steak these people are animals Daphne

[00:42:09] I know I do you think he may be ate all of his vegetables and left the steak I mean who does that

[00:42:20] if I had that kind of steak in front of me I'd be like the boys can wait just a few minutes

[00:42:24] because I'm gonna eat this first and I'm not gonna interrupt it with ice cream no no no

[00:42:29] no not having it but yeah there's just so many weird things about them like you know

[00:42:40] Jameson getting Veronica you know oh I'm gonna pick you up at this time being very forward which

[00:42:44] I mean I guess that works for some guys and so it's like good fine but then afterwards like

[00:42:50] actually picking her up at the diner bring her outside you're like oh you know just a typical

[00:42:53] small town date between a girl a boy and the boy is three weird friends that would have been

[00:42:58] like an immediate okay good night goodbye and he told her she had to wear red lipstick

[00:43:06] and have clean hair what does that have to do with anything he said red lipstick not red dress

[00:43:13] she doesn't know but I'm starting to wonder if maybe they were trying to make this a David Lynch

[00:43:20] movie but it Tyler Shields isn't David Lynch so it doesn't work.

[00:43:27] Okay yeah but even before like the jig is up and like what's going on they're just

[00:43:33] it's like Danny have you ever heard of personal space no okay no and then even out in the woods

[00:43:38] before they're playing the games and stuff it's like they're they're they're actively

[00:43:42] trying to be as sketchy as possible right right like that's their goal yeah because that's

[00:43:46] what they're doing I mean why would you want to go out there and then they've got a couch there for

[00:43:53] you to sit on it just I don't know I I don't know Paik I don't know.

[00:44:04] And of course Danny we talked about him a little bit but you Babylonian whore is it yes you

[00:44:09] already used that one five seconds ago yeah so you're gonna do it again oh yes he's done it

[00:44:14] again we heard you the first time just very very over the top uh how's that for pain for you Danny

[00:44:24] boy he gets taken out but even after death he's as dramatic as possible that look on his face

[00:44:29] it's like my god but then it disappeared right oh Danny boy Danny boy Danny boy he got knocked

[00:44:41] down ain't getting up again yeah his axel surely keeping down sorry you just continue the gems

[00:44:50] you just continue the gems yeah I can't help but it's what I do

[00:44:59] Nancy I've already said a lot of these uh during that weird conversation with Jamison and Jenny

[00:45:05] that actually never happened and Shane wasn't even there so why did that conversation happen

[00:45:09] because he wouldn't have even been there to imagine I know anyway where she's asking or you know

[00:45:16] or know something like uh he said he's telling the truth to her then Shane's like no he's lying

[00:45:20] and he goes you know I would never lie and it's like I'm a lot of things but I'm not a liar

[00:45:27] it's like well except for the complete list of lies you just told Veronica earlier but those

[00:45:31] don't count I guess and he's I don't think Jamison knows what he believes in or where he stands uh

[00:45:39] because also what he says to Jenny is like we're all just animals and we don't change I was like okay

[00:45:44] but literally like a minute ago you just said you've evolved so which is it yeah make a decision

[00:45:50] and stick to it own it I don't think you're owning anything here you're flip-flopping more than

[00:45:57] they do on Survivor right there's a reason that this movie did not score well yeah a lot of it

[00:46:06] and a lot of it for me it is the dialogue that is just clunky and doesn't make sense and kind of

[00:46:12] just yeah like there's no through line with the dialogue they'll say one thing and then say

[00:46:17] the complete opposite later and or some of it's just kind of lazy writing I don't know it's like

[00:46:25] what's the point of saying that it's not setting anything up or you're trying to have this thematic

[00:46:30] thing and it's like you're pushing it too hard like just afterwards when Jamison is like okay we're

[00:46:36] just you know I'm not going to hurt you let's have this conversation there's the rules to the game

[00:46:40] are I ask you a question you answer it you ask me a question I answer it dude that's not a game

[00:46:45] that's a conversation yes you know what we do it on this podcast hey what do you think of this

[00:46:52] movie I think it's terrible and then you ask me a question right sometimes that's how it works

[00:47:00] yeah I mean yeah we have a lot of fun recording this but we're not playing a game no it's a conversation

[00:47:08] you know and then he's asking her one of his questions is why were my friends tripping balls

[00:47:14] is like how why would you know your friends were hallucinating you just found their dead

[00:47:18] bodies after the fact you didn't even see them before you wouldn't have known that no

[00:47:24] he didn't see them anything go down so it doesn't make any sense yeah he's not a psychic

[00:47:32] no but he didn't drink he was the only one who didn't drink any of the alcohol until she

[00:47:38] poured it down his throat yeah just so he could see at the end his biggest fear

[00:47:43] was all of his past victims coming back to get him yeah which that I mentioned way earlier I said

[00:47:50] there's one thing I really liked about this movie and that was it yeah which it ties in I guess like

[00:47:55] the overarching thing that I really liked was the the hallucination serum stuff the drug

[00:48:01] the DMT that keeps coming back I liked that through line especially because it led to that

[00:48:06] where his biggest fear is yeah all of his past victims coming back for him which so it's like

[00:48:11] well whoever wrote this didn't have all bad ideas there's there's a gym or two in there somewhere

[00:48:16] hidden deep yes absolutely I don't think I have much more to say about this one

[00:48:23] I've got see Williams the last section I'm trying to see if I have any notes that I haven't

[00:48:27] already said um I don't know about his character was like creepy vibes right from the

[00:48:33] beginning I mean sitting with a little girl in a big empty room at a big table

[00:48:37] and his delivery was very much like you're creepy sir like there's no warmth in your voice or

[00:48:45] delivery at all right no um very clinical which is like that just makes me feel uncomfortable

[00:48:52] do you think that they all got mixed up do you think that maybe the briefs on each of

[00:48:57] the characters got given to the wrong people maybe yeah I don't I don't know I mean he

[00:49:05] drove her to the restaurant said this is the final test okay so now that she passed the test what does

[00:49:11] that mean like we don't know we're never gonna find out and yeah I have questions that are never

[00:49:18] going to get answers yeah and there's just a lot his training methods are really weird like kill

[00:49:23] me I'm gonna kill you out of it I get you're like proving that she can't hesitate for anything

[00:49:28] and she's got to be willing to do anything like okay I get that but then as again like

[00:49:33] things don't make sense we talked about the spiel with the gun like you can't use a gun

[00:49:36] I was like okay so he had this whole talk about the gun and then in the like training montage stuff

[00:49:40] he's showing her how to load a gun quickly I'm like but she said there's no gun why is she

[00:49:45] training with guns you're not gonna give her a gun why are we doing this well that's it I mean

[00:49:50] she tells him it'd be so easy if you just let me have a gun like why are we making it more

[00:49:55] difficult than it needs to be because he takes joy in making her run through the woods with

[00:50:02] no shoes on right I mean I think he's I know you mentioned like on the bed scene where he's like

[00:50:08] you have your bed over there we can't do this but like he's not he wasn't really you know pushing

[00:50:15] back too hard and I think he he built up her weird infatuation in her unhealthy connection a little

[00:50:22] bit because the scene at the bar wherever she goes into the bathroom with the one guy and chokes

[00:50:27] him out what does he say to the guy oh you took my girlfriend in here girl girlfriend yep you could

[00:50:33] have also just said daughter exactly she really has never been exposed to very many other people

[00:50:41] I don't think but we I don't know because we were never shown anything it's crazy right so again

[00:50:49] we don't know their relationship and if it makes me grossed out or not because we don't have time

[00:50:55] to explain everything because pancakes pancakes with whipped cream which she sensually dips her finger

[00:51:07] in and licks off leaving me just uncomfortable so out of all the movies that we've covered this one

[00:51:17] has made you one of the ones that's made you the most uncomfortable right their relationship

[00:51:26] even though nothing is ever like established makes me uncomfortable it's not healthy no but you have to

[00:51:33] figure that this is how what she was brought up in she was not brought up in a normal home

[00:51:40] and all that she wanted to do was please him like by

[00:51:44] accomplishing everything and doing everything that he wanted her to do that's what she was focused on

[00:51:50] yeah but yeah that's all the notes I've got I'm tapped out

[00:51:56] I'm fine with drawing myself all right let's tap it out

[00:52:04] well then I think we have done it in about an hour we have covered this movie

[00:52:11] um yeah I think it was fun to talk about it because it was there was there were a lot of

[00:52:20] little things that were ridiculous and so it makes it fun when there are ridiculous things going on

[00:52:29] yeah we're getting close to the end of our season pic can you believe it oh we are

[00:52:33] it's crazy we're very close almost there yeah it seems crazy a lot of stuff we get to look back

[00:52:40] on probably look right over yeah this one but I don't know maybe if we're looking at um I don't

[00:52:49] know anything that's the worst oh no we're not the raspberries that's right okay that makes sense well

[00:53:01] wow it beat you do it this time yeah I think the feedback feedback sony had enough

[00:53:07] yeah it was ready to cut in so we will see if anything people have to say about this all right

[00:53:15] we do have one little piece of feedback this week I want to say a little one big one one great one

[00:53:19] because it's always Catherine coming through for us we always appreciate that so I'll go ahead and

[00:53:25] read that here for final girl Catherine says I ended up watching this twice because I thought

[00:53:30] Final Girl was about William training Veronica to take out whoever killed his wife and daughter

[00:53:34] but the group of boys were too young so now I have more questions who did William work for

[00:53:39] had his family's killer been taken care of how did he know about the murders in the woods etc

[00:53:44] the final hunt was fantastic I love Abigail Breslin from her role in Little Miss Sunshine

[00:53:48] and it's great to see that she's still portraying a strong female character Veronica reminded me a

[00:53:52] lot of Erin from your next the guys assumed she'd be an easy victim and they were fatally wrong

[00:53:58] yeah I think you're right on the part where the guys assumed she was going to be easy and

[00:54:04] they were wrong I think overall though Erin to me is a much stronger female character than Veronica

[00:54:13] yeah and a lot of that's as you've listened to this and unfortunately through your feedback it

[00:54:18] sounds like you found this movie quite enjoyable you enjoyed it so then hopefully this episode

[00:54:23] didn't deter you too much or didn't hurt your soul too much because I know we tore it apart

[00:54:28] quite a few little areas but I think that but that goes to show kind of what we were talking about

[00:54:34] in a way that yeah the the premise is really strong the character herself on paper and that

[00:54:41] kind of twist is really cool I just don't know if it was executed as well as it could have

[00:54:45] been versus how Erin in your next was a lot more fleshed out and there was I think just

[00:54:51] better writing overall but this had I'm not going to sit here and crap on this movie anymore about

[00:54:56] the writing and stuff so I'm glad that you enjoyed you know what you did enjoy and thank you so much

[00:55:01] for your feedback on that yeah a lot of questions with William like I think we might have pieced some

[00:55:06] of that together of assuming maybe if it's a generational thing and maybe it was these kids

[00:55:12] parents or you know fathers that had something to do with it and he's just kind of training

[00:55:15] her to break the cycle I don't know but there's thoughts maybe you have your own thoughts after

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[00:56:33] to give those shoutouts to stuff going on in the podcast universe around us starting right here

[00:56:38] on podcast canal this is kind of a slower week off week not a lot going on uh kind of

[00:56:44] in between shows still waiting on things to start uh even the rewatches and stuff

[00:56:49] the people doing the rewatch podcasts have been busy with other stuff

[00:56:52] but there's a few things that you definitely should go check out this week as I mentioned last

[00:56:56] week the Wilhelm and Housepodcastica joint coverage of fallout season one the entire season

[00:57:04] with uh with Jason, Ben and Doug guessing on that one talking about the entire first season

[00:57:11] of fallout um I'm almost done listening to that and it has been a blast listening to a lot of the

[00:57:16] thoughts of somebody who only really knows the show versus people who've played a lot of the games

[00:57:21] and kind of comparing and contrasting and talking about things it's been a really cool conversation

[00:57:26] so yeah definitely check that out and also just check out fallout if you haven't watched that

[00:57:30] on amazon prime because it's so good so definitely check that out and then speaking of the rewatches

[00:57:36] the one that is still going this week still slaying the Buffy universe podcast uh with Cara and Penny

[00:57:44] they've got Jim on there this week talking about season three episode 16 doppel gangland

[00:57:50] so also make sure to check that out so that's all for podcastica but on the outside again of that

[00:57:57] network our good friends over at tv podcast industries with their incredible kind of

[00:58:01] network of podcasts and shows that they do they okay you know got uh showgun wrapped up

[00:58:07] after this week with the finale there so you go check out their coverage of showgun with the

[00:58:11] finale and the whole season just go back and you know if you haven't watched showgun again

[00:58:16] like i mentioned with fallout go watch showgun because it's also incredibly well done and really

[00:58:21] good wonderful story and then you can go back and check out uh tv podcast industries coverage

[00:58:27] of all of that and of course starting a new show just kicking up you can also check out their coverage

[00:58:33] now starting with dead boy detectives which is the uh sandman universe spinoff so that's

[00:58:41] really cool that that's going on so you go check that out i still haven't finished sandman i'm

[00:58:44] bad i know i'm gonna get to it because it's just so much so much good there's a lot of shows

[00:58:50] that i started and then start another show and get caught you know left behind on so

[00:58:56] especially with netflix there's a lot of good stuff on netflix i still haven't finished uh avatar

[00:59:00] last airbender yet like a little over halfway i'll get there just tv so many good tv shows but

[00:59:07] yeah so if you are in the sandman universe enjoying all of that with dead boy detectives now out

[00:59:11] you can also while watching that check out tv podcast industries as they're covering

[00:59:15] that series as well yes they are all right now usually i would say then you can always come

[00:59:22] back here next week for what we got but however as you this episode was up you know a day late for

[00:59:29] some of you uh you know by the time you're listening to it hopefully getting it up a

[00:59:33] little later on the day but we had some technical issues with internet service and all kinds of stuff

[00:59:37] that you know first world problems uh so we had to push back recording on some stuff a little

[00:59:43] bit so either feedback got out the episode got out a little late and then just with our schedules

[00:59:47] i've got a busy week daphne's got a super busy week so we are unfortunately going to take next week

[00:59:52] off we're gonna you know you get a little break from us but we're almost to the end of the season

[00:59:56] so we're getting stuff prepared make sure we have everything able to get recorded and edited

[01:00:00] and sound great for you when we release it so next week we'll give you just one week to miss

[01:00:06] us you can go back and listen to some old episodes if you haven't listened to them yet

[01:00:09] because we got we've built quite a great catalog of really fun conversations and movies and

[01:00:15] episodes so find something that intrigues you that you haven't listened to or watched yet

[01:00:20] and check it out next week that can be your you know assignment if you need something run for

[01:00:25] your lives to do yeah and feel free to leave us feedback on that we'd be happy to know if you

[01:00:32] go back to listen to an older episode what episode was it and what did you like about it we would

[01:00:39] yeah that would make us super happy but pig we really should tease what's coming then in two

[01:00:45] weeks oh yeah absolutely do it so we were both inspired by a movie that just came out by a certain

[01:00:54] director and so we're going to dive into a movie where a biologist ventures as part of a five person

[01:01:02] team into a mysterious mutating landscape known as area x only to encounter bizarre phenomena

[01:01:10] and existential threats as she delves deeper she realizes the true nature of the enigma

[01:01:16] might be far more unsettling than she's ever imagined we are going to discuss alex garland's 2018

[01:01:25] science fiction horror film annihilation which was loosely based on jeff vandemire's 2014 novel

[01:01:31] of the same name it stars natalie portman jennifer jason lee oscar isaac and more yeah we are on the

[01:01:42] alex garland kick if you haven't seen civil war that's out in theaters right now it's not really

[01:01:46] one that fits this podcast this vibe but uh you know we love our alex garland around here at least

[01:01:52] i know i do um definitely with annihilation i've been looking forward to covering and civil war

[01:01:58] i thought was incredible of course x machina is a favorite of mine um and then even though he didn't

[01:02:04] direct you know 28 days later his writing behind that was just awesome so we we love talking about

[01:02:11] alex garland and actually i have this in my notes for that so you get a little bit of a

[01:02:16] spoiler for uh notes that would have been if we would have been able to record this

[01:02:20] week like we planned because i was on a garland kick this week because i did do a lot of my

[01:02:25] notes and prep for annihilation so i had a just alex garland week three days in a row

[01:02:30] three alex garland movies because i went and saw civil war and then i the next night i made sure

[01:02:35] to knock out the one movie directed by him that i hadn't seen yet that's kind of slipped out so

[01:02:38] i watched men the other night and then and then the next day i did like my prep and stuff for

[01:02:44] annihilation and getting notes and stuff together so i watched that for the first time in a while

[01:02:48] so yeah just alex garland kick this week with three movies in a row three days in a row

[01:02:53] been living in the garland verse well you know and it's a really exciting time because

[01:02:59] we have just learned you know 28 years later and is making yeah casting decisions and alex

[01:03:06] garland is going to be writing that film so that's coming i mean we've been waiting

[01:03:13] what 20 years 21 years yeah since the original we so we haven't covered 28 weeks later yet

[01:03:21] but you can rest assured that we will before 28 years later comes out yeah maybe we'll go ahead

[01:03:28] and talk slot slot that in next season somewhere well it's almost next season so we're gonna be

[01:03:34] slotting movies in pretty quick here yeah yeah it's happening we might get to that sooner than later

[01:03:40] and yeah so yeah since you don't get next week two weeks we'll come back with

[01:03:44] annihilation so i'll go ahead and give you an extra little treat that definitely didn't

[01:03:48] know about i guess which if you're somebody who listens closely and pays a lot of attention

[01:03:52] you already know what's coming up for the rest of the season as i said we are wrapping up the season so

[01:03:57] you get the rest of the season rundown so we'll get annihilation in two weeks after that we are

[01:04:01] recovering tremors the original the first tremors movie as our like tremors because we finished

[01:04:06] shrieker island last season so to continue the tremor stuff we're circling all the way back

[01:04:11] and redoing recovering looking at it in our new style of the kind of way we've evolved as a podcast

[01:04:16] over time to relook at the first tremors movie so we'll do that one in two episodes from now so three

[01:04:22] weeks and then we'll wrap it up after that with another look back special our riffle awards all

[01:04:27] of the stuff that we like to do so uh get ready follow that and then we'll take another little

[01:04:31] break for about a month or so and then come back with the next season and we've already got

[01:04:35] some great movies slated and talked about that we want to do next season and maybe give us

[01:04:41] some feedback also on stuff that you'd like for us to get to that we haven't yet we always

[01:04:44] love hearing from you guys and getting ideas yeah definitely we may dive into a movie that I think

[01:04:49] Garrett has suggested every single time that we ask for suggestions we may start a series finally

[01:04:58] we may finally start a series that Garrett has been requesting so what an interesting

[01:05:07] destination they could take us to um definitely yeah well with that we've reached the end of this

[01:05:13] episode thanks everyone for listening I'm Daphne and I'm Paik and if you have to run you better

[01:05:21] run for your lives bye bye