Run For Your Lives Podcast Episode 177: 28 Weeks Later

[00:00:00] Hey everyone, welcome to the show. I'm Daphne. And I'm Pake. And this is the Run For Your Lives Podcast. Yes. This episode starts off our new season and we realized maybe we're being a little

[00:00:46] too crazy, a little too wild with all of our scary movies and such. So we figured this new season is a new beginning. We're going to bring things back, you know, bring it in a little

[00:00:58] bit. We're going to talk about some different movies. Let's see this opening one. Let's talk about Sleepless and Seattle. Aw, that's such a nice one to talk about. It is. It's a wonderful, wonderful movie. Great romantic tale. It's a little bit

[00:01:15] of laughter, a little bit of comedy thrown in, you know. Nice to have a little giggle, every now and then. And of course, still trying to fit the theme a little bit because you know

[00:01:25] when people, you know, when this movie came out, people were running to the theaters like their lives depended on it, right? Because it's so good. Yes. And remember, you know, with this new season that we're starting, we've

[00:01:38] got lots of great ideas. Pake, you even brought up another movie that we'll be covering in the future. Do you want to give our listeners a sneak peek as to what it will be? Oh, are we really, are we going to give them little treatsies so early? Yeah.

[00:01:53] All right. Well, as you're listening now, you'll hear again at the end of the episode, I'm sure, but we'll go ahead and give you a little hint, a little sneak peek, a little preview of what's coming around the bend next week as we're going to go

[00:02:03] ahead and continue on this journey as we'll be talking about the movie, the Whoopie Goldberg classic sister act. Of course, you know, everybody loves that movie. Song, dance, humor, comedy, all kinds of great things in there and still

[00:02:18] following within the theme because you know them nuns be running. So you can tell that we put a lot of thought and effort into this new season and bringing you the very best discussion that we can on these films.

[00:02:36] You guys didn't really think that we were going to go down that route, did you? No, no. Instead, we're going all the way around. It's like a monster truck rally. We have Friday, Friday, Friday, new episodes of Run For Your Lives, all action, all crazies, all the time.

[00:02:51] No, we are going to kick it off. We're going to have a fun season, lots of great stuff, including, of course, all the infected because I can't use the Z word because somebody is going

[00:03:01] to reach through time and space, the internet and punch me in the face if I do. Twenty eight weeks later is what we're covering. Of course. We got to talk about that post apocalyptic horror film we all know and love

[00:03:13] directed by Juan Carlos Fresnadillo and released May 11th, 2007. Yes. We're really excited about this one because, well, unless you've been living under a rock, you probably know that a sequel is in the works and it's going to be more than a sequel.

[00:03:30] It's going to be a trio of films. It's going to be a trilogy. And Danny Boyle is returning to direct this first film in the trilogy. There's a bit more information and I'll tell you that later on in the episode.

[00:03:44] But I for one am stoked because it's reteaming the original group of producers, writers and director to do this film because Alex Garland is all in on it as well. Yes. So excited to have them reunite. And put this together because Danny Boyle came back after doing

[00:04:10] train spotting and did a sequel. And I didn't expect much out of it because let's be honest, sequels aren't always. They just don't always live up to what the original film is. That movie surprised me. And I just think Danny Boyle is able to carry it off, especially

[00:04:32] when Alex Garland is involved as well. Yeah, the dream team co-writers that brought us 28 days, which we did cover like two seasons ago now. Hasn't it been? Yeah, it's been a while. So it is time for us to jump back in here, even though, yes, Boyle

[00:04:48] and Garland had really not anything to do with this one so much. But that's OK. It's still a great movie. I'm still excited to talk about it and a lot of fun stuff in this one. Me too.

[00:04:58] I think it's going to be tons of fun to talk about. There's it's got a different feel and I think it's OK. I definitely have opinions on certain things that are in it. It's one I've seen a bunch of times.

[00:05:12] So I'm super excited for us to break this one down. Super excited that we're in a new season. And if you came back a week early, then you noticed that we gave you a little special episode for the Fourth of July holiday by.

[00:05:30] You know, dropping an episode a week earlier than planned. Independence Day resurgence. So hope you guys enjoyed that. Yeah, so technically that was the first episode of the season, but like holiday specials so it doesn't really count. So we're all just going to collectively just decide and believe

[00:05:50] that this is the opener for the season because it's it's much better to say as much as resurgence fine movie. Great movie. We had lots of good stuff to say about it. But. Twenty eight weeks later is a kickoff episode of a season I've ever heard of one.

[00:06:04] It definitely is. It definitely is. And we tossed around a couple of different movies. This is the one that was at the top of Pakeshead when we made the decision. He didn't have to convince me very hard because I'm all in on this series of movies.

[00:06:20] So super stoked for us to talk about it. We will kick it off the way we always do. We have not changed this. We are going to do a few production notes. It was filmed in the wee hours of the morning

[00:06:35] because you have to record at three or four in the morning to get all the empty streets. It was done in Westminster, Greater London, England. And that includes the Trafficker Square, Millennium Bridge, Charing Cross Underground Railway Station all in the UK in England.

[00:06:55] So anyone who's been to any of those places, they must have looked familiar. This is a standalone sequel to the 2002 film. Twenty eight days later. And as I mentioned, twenty eight years later is coming. Although a few years early. You think about it.

[00:07:15] It was like at this point, just wait twenty eight years later for real legitimately, but not quite there, but close. Yeah, it's been twenty two. That's OK. But we'll get that in twenty twenty five. So we'll get that next year. They're just skipping over months.

[00:07:30] Months is just not a thing we're doing, I guess, which OK. There had been talks about doing months and they had some ideas, but it never materialized. But I will say Danny Boyle has been talking about this for a while because him, Killian Murphy and Alex Garland

[00:07:51] have over the years mentioned they wanted to do something. They wanted to return to the series. So we are getting it. I'm super excited. And we will talk about it a little bit later. So Juan Carlos Fresno deo co-road script with Rowan Yoffa. E. Lavin and Jesus Olmo.

[00:08:15] The budget for this film is 15 million and it grows sixty five point eight million at the box office. It's ninety nine minutes long. Take as you do every time. Bring us a synopsis of your choice. Oh, every time that's that is one that you said production notes

[00:08:35] stayed the same, but that's something I forgot to tell you that we are going to change for this season is instead of a synopsis. I'm actually just going to give a retelling of the entire script in the dialogue word for word for the. OK, all right.

[00:08:48] You go for that. I'll be back in about six hours. OK, cool. Like with yes, with like stage direct, there's not it's not on the stage, but you know, like directions and scene setting and all that kind of stuff. I'm just the full script.

[00:09:02] I found them and now we're going to do synopsis. I'm going to keep the synopsis. It's a lot easier. I tried the chat GPT thing and then it gave me one and I didn't like it. So I went back to good old trusty IDB.

[00:09:12] Sometimes you have to chat GPT can be really good for some things, but it doesn't always capture everything in a synopsis. I've done it before trying to write a preview or something. And it's like it doesn't even know what movie I'm talking about

[00:09:28] because what it spits out has nothing to do with it. Right? Yeah. So we'll stick to the usual here. But for this one, six months after the rage virus was inflicted on the population of Great Britain, the US Army helps to secure a small area

[00:09:42] of London for the survivors to repopulate and start again. But not everything goes according to plan. Yeah. How seldom it does. It's interesting. I have to point out before we even get started that Scarlett had concerns and everyone dismissed her.

[00:10:02] She was the only one who was thinking that things could, you know, blow up in their faces. But won't somebody think of the children? She was. So I didn't know we had kids here. You should have come and talk to me before we brought kids in like,

[00:10:19] well, is this the safest place? Do you want them to be safe? You know, what's really going on? And we don't. I mean, maybe their actions will be the thing that causes all of this to happen. It always happens that way.

[00:10:34] Either you need to listen to the kids because they're the only ones that are right or the kids cause all the things to go wrong. I am not sure it goes back and forth. You never know. What are the other back and forth?

[00:10:49] One thing I wanted to point out is Danny Boyle handpicked Juan Carlos Fresno Dio to helm this movie because he loved a movie that Fresno Dio had done called in Tacto, which is not a film I had seen, but now I'm interested.

[00:11:06] If it was his point of view on that one, then maybe I need to check it out. That always makes me feel better when the original person that created the film handpicked someone to direct the sequel, because that to me means that they're still invested

[00:11:29] and they want someone to carry on the story or bring new life to the story or tell a different story. But having a good point of view. Yeah, it doesn't feel like some studio kind of thing going like, oh, we'll handle it from here.

[00:11:47] Thank you so much, because those sometimes don't go very well. Yeah, I know that Colin Travereau had picked J.A. Bayona to do Fallen Kingdom. I know the jury is still out on Fallen Kingdom as far as a lot of people are concerned.

[00:12:01] But that was always one thing that stuck out to me is that, you know, the handpicking of a director is an important thing. So yeah, I'm happy about it for sure. So we have a lot to break down in this one.

[00:12:19] Character wise, Peg, who did you consider to be the main character? Because I feel like it could go in two different ways. Um, well, I mean, I just based it off the document that you sent me anyway.

[00:12:32] So technically, first I have the sibling team of Andy and Tam, Tammy Harris, they do kind of. Cover a lot of stuff. They're the focal point of a group most of the time in the movie. So that definitely makes sense.

[00:12:51] But it was kind of cool that we had separate main characters that had their own stories, their own personal things that overlapped, even considering like their father, Don, even though he spends half the movie infected, he still kind of has his own character arc even after that.

[00:13:09] And of course, Scarlett with a lot of her scientific, you know, findings and wanting kind of giving herself a mission that she ties Doyle into that mission because we have Doyle's own going from like military service

[00:13:26] kind of guy to like questioning, maybe this is a little fucked up. To becoming a hero in his own right and having his own arc. So I think this script does a really good job of taking separate stories and interweaving them perfectly. I thought so too.

[00:13:40] And even though I think the kids kind of kick into action, what ends up happening, I think a case could be made for Don being the one that. And inadvertently made made decisions at the beginning of the movie that may have also contributed to that.

[00:14:06] So I'm not sure. I feel like we have a lot to talk about. So. Oh, yeah, lots of lots of thoughts in a lot of different places. Yeah. But I say let's go ahead and start with Andy and Tam because that's kind of where where we start,

[00:14:23] at least on our notes anyway. That's what I have my setup as so all right. Don't question the process. We'll just go with it. Yeah, which so we'll skip over a lot of the opening scene then because that's definitely Don centered. But through that opening scene,

[00:14:41] I at least will say that we do get mention of Andy and Tammy, not by name. But we see Dan and Don and Alice talking and saying, oh, they just happened to pay for and send their kids on a school trip right before shit went down in London.

[00:14:56] So ended up saving them from what Don and Alice ended up having to go through. And then you're kind of questioning, but are they safe? Where are they now? What's going on? Which is kind of tying it back to then the kids becoming the focal point

[00:15:09] of them returning back into London in this kind of safe zone that they're building, trying to rebuild. I do have like a whole section on like the military and all of that as a character. So I can talk more about their plans in that, I guess. But.

[00:15:29] But yeah, as we see the kids coming back into London trying to get resituated and they were trying to rebuild not just, you know, the city, but it as a population and as a community and a place where people

[00:15:47] can come back and live and try to continue normal life there. Of course, they're still cleaning up most of London. They've got just like they're zoned off and they've really got like this one zone that's clean and ready for people.

[00:15:58] The rest of the city is still in shambles and there's corpses everywhere and there's a lot of clean up to do. Yeah. And they're working on it. I mean, they've basically cordoned off the Isle of Dogs, which is an island on the east end of London.

[00:16:11] It's surrounded on three sides by the River Thames. They're able to control access in and out, and that helps them to keep it as a safe zone. The kids have come in, they have to go through just like the basic testing. Make sure they're they're not infected.

[00:16:28] They're clean. Everything's good. Clean bill of health gets you back into the city. And that's where we meet them specifically Andy as his interactions with Scarlett. Where we get to see, yeah, heterochromia iridium, which is of course the the two different colored eyes,

[00:16:45] which if anyone listened to Strange Indeed covering Haunting of Bly Manor, I can't shut up about that. It's legitimately one of my favorite things in biology that fascinates me so much. And I think it's super, super, super cool to where I was like,

[00:17:00] well, Andy's automatically favorite character early on because he's just got that going for him. So that's already I love it. He's a very resourceful kid, I think. So yeah, which then looking at those characters there acting wise Macintosh Muggleton, what a delightfully British name. Yes. Who played Andy?

[00:17:22] And I wondered if he did anything else after this and turns out no. This was this is his only acting credit at all that he ever did as a kid. And the only other credit he had on IMDB was apparently he wrote and directed a short film in 2016

[00:17:39] that there was like no information on really other than that. Well, well, he might be one of those kids that comes back to acting later or he may just decide that, OK, I've done one and that's enough. I don't ever want to do this again.

[00:17:54] Yeah, knows what he's up to now, but whatever it is, I hope it's good to go. However, on the other side of that, a Tammy, Andy's sister, the wonderful image inputs who definitely not the same story has gone on to do

[00:18:09] way more stuff, seen her in several different things all over the place, including most recently, a major role on the Amazon Prime series Outer Range that I really, really love and way more people need to be watching because it's so good. Have you seen Green Room?

[00:18:26] I still haven't. It's on my list. It's it's one of those that you're just going to have to make this make it an episode one day, just so I end up having to finally get around to watching it. Whether it really fits, but.

[00:18:40] I say it fits, Pagan will do it because you need to see it. Yeah, you absolutely need to. Anton Yelkin, Patrick Stewart, like it's just got a cast. You know, that's it's just amazing. It's a great. Yeah, it's a fantastic film.

[00:18:58] I mean, there's yeah, we're definitely going to cover it just because you need to watch it. And sometimes that's what dictates what we're going to cover. Yeah. But yeah, the kids come back in London, they're reunited with their father,

[00:19:18] which we kind of I mean, I said, we learned that. Oh, that's Don's kids that he mentioned in the opening. But I mean, I've seen this movie so many times that like it doesn't throw me

[00:19:25] for it anymore. So I wonder how it's been so long since my first watch that I'm like, would people would people be surprised by that if this was the first time watching this? I don't know. Maybe maybe not.

[00:19:36] You know, I didn't even notice the many times I've seen this that they mentioned that the kids were on a school trip. I just thought that they got separated from them somehow. And now I know.

[00:19:51] But we also kind of find out that most of this is kind of confined to the UK at this point. Yeah, well, I mean, it seems to because we had when we covered 28 days and we talked about like when I think it is when

[00:20:07] again, Rick, that's not his name. That's a whole different zombie storyline that starts in the exact same way in a different universe. So many so many universes. So little time. I don't know why I just blanked on killing Murphy's character's name, but Jim.

[00:20:26] Jim, yes, it's another one of those just like if there's a nice. Simple. Yeah. Yeah, I think was it him when he's laying on his back out there by the military area and the plane flies overhead and he's talking to other guys at some

[00:20:39] time when they're talking about what if this is just in Britain, just in the UK and other countries in the world are fine. And that does seem to be the case. What happened is they quarantined off the entirety of Great Britain

[00:20:51] and let things just run its course and got people out that they could, it seems. But for the most part, it was like just let it burn out and then we'll open it back up and then the United States was in charge of this whole

[00:21:05] operation. So it does seem to be the case. That's a whole lot of the can of worms in the United States was in charge of the maintaining everything, you know, bringing a sense of order back to things. Reverse colonialism. It's interesting because basically most of the Zeds

[00:21:32] I already said it. I feel like we're going to have this is going to be like the kill count and they're going to ding up on the corner. It's it's the 28 days was easier. Yeah, because I know again we give Ben a hard time.

[00:21:45] But like, yeah, I mean, I agree with him that, yeah, it's they're not zombies. It's infected. They can be killed in any number of ways. Like it's not like they're not. Eating people is just rage. They're rage infected as a virus.

[00:22:02] It's kind of more close to mayhem in that way. But. You know, not to start a complete war of pandemonium. But I will say the way that this movie is directed and the things that we see

[00:22:15] the infected in this film are much, much more zombie like in appearance and behavior where they're just leaving bites on people and they're kind of like shambling across fields and like when they're not actively chasing somebody, they're just kind of shambling and hordes. It.

[00:22:35] I don't know if it was just the director here with for his videos like idea, but like they are very much more zombie. Like I will say that word here. Yeah. If you didn't see 28 days later and didn't know the origins of the rage virus

[00:22:50] and you just saw these infected in this movie, you'd be like, oh, yeah. You would not think they were anything. There's nothing to really differentiate them in this very much like the dawn of the dead zombies, not the original, but 2004. And this actually came out before dawn.

[00:23:08] The new dawn. We I mean, we learn they basically have run out of food. Everyone, all of the infected are dying off. So they think I think I believe they believe they're coming in. It's going to be an easy thing to do. They just follow the rules.

[00:23:28] They keep things cleaned up. Everyone stays where they're supposed to. No one gets infected because there are no more infected. Yeah. That's a beautiful fever dream that they live in. Yeah, it's nice thought. But yeah, as the kids come in, they meet back up with their dad.

[00:23:48] They've kind of got their their digs and he's saying that we're going to move into a new house and they're wondering about their old house and it's outside of the safety zone. We're just, you know, that we're never going back there.

[00:23:58] Even if I wanted to, I couldn't anyway. But that's where we see Andy talking with his sister and he's he's feeling really sad that he has nothing to remember his mom by not even a photo or anything.

[00:24:11] So that's where you get this classic kids in a horror movie making them decisions moment where Andy and Tammy sneak out of the safe zone to go back to their old house so that they can

[00:24:23] find a photo or something for for Andy to have something to hold on to. Because at this point, they believe their mother is dead. That's what their father has told them is that she died. So luckily Doyle did clock those two stray puppies on their way out.

[00:24:43] So he's got that. Not a lot gets by Doyle. He's very, very good. Much at all. The amazing, amazing Jeremy Renna before he was Hawkeye before Marvel came along. He's our Doyle in this. Yeah, I've got some stuff to say about me too.

[00:25:07] About him when we get there for sure. But yeah, so they're a figure. Oh, we'll just go back to the house, get a photo and come back because you remember what they said? Nothing outside the perimeter except rats and dogs, you know,

[00:25:20] and all the corpses that haven't been disposed yet and a swan. And those might be even more. Yeah, but you know what was worse of all? The cockroaches. They seem to. Scared the hell out of Tam when she was trying to get keys to the scooter.

[00:25:42] Yeah, yeah, they're headed back to the house. We got some more really cool empty London shots that were very reminiscent of the first movie that I know that was definitely the inspiration and idea there was to play off of that.

[00:25:56] Yeah, get back to the house and like immediately we have the picture off of the fridge. It's a really cute picture and Andy's happy about that. So I liked that. And then we just see a little bit of them going through some old stuff and looking around.

[00:26:09] Tammy's a no FX fan. And he's got his box of vans. I'm like, man, I like these kids. Well, I mean, they're there. So they might as well stock up on a few personal things because they basically don't have anything.

[00:26:26] So Andy decides to take a few jumps on the trampoline in the backyard. As you do. I mean, it's there. You got to do it. Yeah. Yeah, and that's that's when going back in to try to find his sister. I don't know where she was.

[00:26:42] Yeah, stuffing shoes in a bag. Multiple pairs of flats in her bag. Yeah, that I remember. The pocket post apocalyptic fashion. It's it's important. It's very important. She didn't like the purple t-shirt that she was given. So she wanted some of her her swag clothes. Yeah.

[00:27:04] Then that's when Andy finds more, way more than just a photo of his mom at the old house. Finds the real thing, the real McCoy, the big shipping who she manages to survive 28 weeks ago. What had happened somehow and has been hiding out here at the house.

[00:27:24] This whole time. It's familiar. It's like going to the mall, remember? That's what you do. Yeah. We see immediately like, I mean, she's disheveled for sure. If she's been hiding out in this like attic for six, you know, months or whatever.

[00:27:40] But then there's like bloody spots in her eyes and it's like kind of reminiscent of seeing when people are infected. But she's she's talking and she's hugging Andy and not ripping his throat and spine out. So, I mean, yeah, things seem to be pretty good.

[00:27:53] Immunity, I don't know. We'll have to see when we talk more about that character. No, it's an important concept even with Andy. So we'll get to it while we're still talking about them. I'm sure. Yeah. Because that is uncovered in just a few minutes after those scenes because

[00:28:11] as the little lost puppies have left the safe zone. The military is sent to get them and bring them back in. And that's where we meet Flynn, the amazing Harold Perrono. Friend of podcastica. Yes, technically he's been on a podcastica podcast.

[00:28:33] He has. We can we can say like, technically he's been on the network. He has sort of a friend of the. I know and you know the network in some way. And the cool thing is the junkets are coming up again from coming back.

[00:28:48] So, yes, I have to see if Alex and Lizzie can get him back on what is from podcasts for another little interview because they got him last season. Yeah, he also recorded a little video for them on their 50th episode, I think. Yeah.

[00:29:04] They're doing some cool things over there with the interviews and just different things that they pulled together and they work really hard to bring that to life all the time. So they're really dedicated. But we do get to meet Flynn, who is a good friend of Doyle's

[00:29:22] and they are they're taken back to the safe zone. Which made me think, I was like, does he not remember them? Does he not recognize them at the end of the movie versus like when he pulled them out of the house?

[00:29:39] Because then later on, he's talking to like, who the fuck are these people? It's like, you don't recognize the one preteen in all of London? Apparently, he's met him before. Scarlett said that he would told. Yeah, Scarlett told Andy he was the youngest in the safe zone.

[00:29:57] So it's like, yeah. You've seen this kid before. Come on, tell me that you don't. Is this selective amnesia that you have? Right. Just out of that, just like, wait, if you did see in there, they like made like could like really strong connected eye

[00:30:16] contact for a little bit. Why is he not remembering sometimes these things just come up in the conversation? You're just like, wait a minute. Yeah, yeah, it's funny how that works out. Yeah, but then I don't have a lot to say about them for like a good chunk.

[00:30:31] Yeah, my notes continue on. It's getting towards the end of the movie and a lot of things that happen. Just because, yeah, then things focus a lot more on some of the military stuff. Yeah, Scarlett, what's going on with with Don and Alice

[00:30:45] and her situation of she's she's infected, but not. I wonder if a highly amplified emotional state brings out the infected piece of her or that side of her? I don't know if it's something I don't I'm not really sure

[00:31:07] because it seemed like a tender moment and then it wasn't. But we'll get to them. I did. Yeah, we'll get to them. I have a question about that. But yeah, get there. Maybe the same questions I have because I have a few questions.

[00:31:20] But of course, through everything, you know, everything goes to hell thanks to them bringing their mom back and a series of unfortunate events. The rage virus is now spreading quickly and everything's just gone haywire. Completely foobar. And now we have the military just shooting aimlessly at everybody

[00:31:43] and we've got to get to safety. Andy luckily does kind of find himself in this warehouse with some other people. Doyle clocks him going in there. Doyle's just really good at clocking this kid through the scope.

[00:31:55] Yeah, at times just always keeping an eye on him knowing what he's doing. Yeah, I don't know why, but it's with Andy. He it's like he is he's clocked in. Yeah, see, because he has him in the scope

[00:32:09] and he doesn't pull the trigger even though like that is his orders. But I feel like at that point, I'm really it's it's a kid and he's clearly standing there not doing right. He's not infected like I'm not. And that could be like one of the first things

[00:32:23] that really kind of makes Doyle question his post and his orders. Anyway, I think it did because when they said just start shooting everyone, you could tell that Doyle was not he didn't like it. It really he says he's like confirmed that order. Yeah, my hearing things.

[00:32:41] Yeah, just shoot at anyone when there were still people that could be saved. Yeah, I don't he didn't like it. You could tell on his face. And he even looked before he started shooting. He was. He still was trying to really pinpoint and pick his.

[00:33:01] Yeah, yeah, he's an expert sniper. Yeah, it's great. He saved Andy a few times. Yeah. Yeah, so the warehouse he gets and he gets in there because Sam, I believe, is the guy that lets him in and gets him in there.

[00:33:20] And then he sees a few other people in there, including reuniting with with Tam and Scarlett pretty quickly, which was good, because you're like really hoping don't drag this out. Like, don't make a bunch of the movie then then being separated and trying to find each other again.

[00:33:33] And it's like, OK, no, we're good. They're back together very quickly moving on. And Scarlett has made it her personal mission to get them to safety because she knows something. She's figured something out. Now, it's not 100 percent confirmed, but she's figured out a likely scenario.

[00:33:51] And so it's important to her to get the kids out. Yeah. And then Doyle shows back up there and is like, look, you guys think you're doing the right thing hiding out in this place was like,

[00:34:05] it's dark now is the time to go because, yeah, there's still snipers out there, but it's dark and they can only see you if they have their scope on you. So you're likely because like if you wait this out to the morning, then you're all screwed. Yeah.

[00:34:20] Because even he even he doesn't even know about the firebombing plans at this point, but he just knows that like waiting around, not the option. So they head out. They've got to try to get out of the city before he gets alerted from Flynn about the firebombing.

[00:34:34] He's like, all right, we got four minutes to get out right now. So, you know, we've got to get out before that. We're going to have to deal with a few snipers, but like I don't. He was up there. He saw what was going on.

[00:34:45] He knows there's not a lot of them left. Yeah. So we're just going to do what we can. So a few other people do get picked off. Scarlet gets shot, grazed. It is a flesh wound. But yeah, she's good.

[00:35:02] But other than that, I love the moment though, where you really see. Kind of the strength and bravery and heroics of Andy is as they know that this sniper is out there and Doyle makes the call to like,

[00:35:15] I need it's funny because Sam's like, you're using me as bait. And he's like, no, no, no, he won't hit you. But then you see as soon as Andy takes off, he's like, fuck. He's like, no, that wasn't the plan. He actually might hit you. Yeah.

[00:35:29] They're expert snipers. I mean, they're not. Yeah. Yeah, it was weird because he was just like, he's not much of a marksman. I was like, are you sure? Because he did happen to hit that mirror,

[00:35:39] that tiny little mirror out of your hand at that height up in that distance. And he killed how many people? Like two or three people. Yeah. It's like, you sure he's not much of a marksman? Are you just saying that to make people feel better? Because yeah.

[00:35:55] Yeah, it's a panicking. Yes. But not much of a marksman. I don't know. Yeah. But Andy just thinks because Sam is complaining about it and kind of like, I don't want to go. And he's like, if we don't go, we all die.

[00:36:07] And so Andy's like, if I get I'll I'll do it. And he just serpentine. Yeah. He listened. He followed directions. Which kids can do if you are clear with them. Yeah. And sometimes they just get sick of waiting for adults to do the right thing.

[00:36:23] It's like, I guess I'm going to be the one in this moment. Yeah. All right. Let's do it. And yeah, there's I'm skipping over a lot of things, but there's just a lot of other story. But when we're focusing on the kids, of course, like them getting out,

[00:36:36] they're kind of at the park there with everybody waiting on on Flynn. And they have a little bit, just a tiny moment to like sit and talk and relax. And, you know, Andy and Tammy had this plan of like,

[00:36:50] no matter what happens, we stick together from this point on. I'm not losing, you know, we've not losing you. We've lost a lot because they have really been on quite the emotional rollercoaster of parents, no parents, one parent, two parents, no parents again. It's it's a lot.

[00:37:05] Yeah, they're very close. You can tell that they have. I don't know what it was like for them before. This happened. But you can tell now, given everything they've been through, that they are incredibly close and rely on each other. A lot. Yeah, I wondered if.

[00:37:28] Scarlett would have ever said anything to Andy about what she had found, which is we'll talk about it. I mean, talked about the Hedochromia with his eyes and he says, I mean, it's genetic and he got that from his mom.

[00:37:41] And so when they bring Alice back and realize that she is infected, but yet she's immune to the symptoms, she's still a carrier. She can pass them on, but she isn't enraged. She's not going to actually hurt anybody on purpose.

[00:37:58] She kind of questions like, well, if he carry that genetic trait carried on in the eyes, then maybe this like semi immunity to the rage virus is also genetically passed on to him and he could be the answer for something.

[00:38:12] And I guess that she never talked to him about that, though, because you know, at the end, you know, he runs back into dear old dad one more time and I mean, gets taken down, gets bitten. And then after Tammy dispatches of of Rage Don,

[00:38:32] you know, Andy gets up and he immediately just runs away from her into the tunnels to get away from his sister for her own safety. Yeah. And then he collapses, of course. But, you know, as he turns, but not completely.

[00:38:48] As we see, he's infected like his mother was, but but not actually symptomatic. Yeah. It was Danny Boyle's idea to use the eye hemorrhage as a way to show that Alice and then Andy were asymptomatic and that they were virus carriers. Yeah. There was a deleted scene.

[00:39:10] Again, I have this on. Of course you do. Me too. But I didn't watch that version. There was only two deleted scenes. I even I was like, I don't even know I'm going to include them because they really weren't that interesting,

[00:39:20] because one of them was literally them just like at like the cafeteria at the like safe house apartments or whatever. And like there's like a conversation where Andy sits down and was like eating some of Scarlett's cake. And then they just had this

[00:39:33] whole sweet conversation with each other. And then Don shows up and it's like, oh, hi. And they just like basically just rehash or tell a bunch of like story plot exposition stuff that gets revealed also in other parts of the movie.

[00:39:45] So it was just like rehashing a lot of things. So they just cut it out. And then the other one being after Andy is bitten, he gets up and runs as he's running through the tunnels. Instead of collapsing, he makes it past that tunnel,

[00:39:58] gets to another train station and sits down and a train rolls in with his mom on it. And it's full of people living just normal life. And he gets up and gets on the train and runs to her

[00:40:11] and like they have this embrace like, oh, him and his mom are back together again. And then you see Tam walk up to him and he's passed out. Like it's all a dream. And yeah, so like a hallucination in some way.

[00:40:23] Yeah, yeah. It's kind of a showing that like because like even in that dream, like he's going towards her and like then like he's infected and is trying to attack her. But then now he's back to normal again and they hug like it's like

[00:40:34] his brain is trying to figure out what he is. Yeah, what's going on? How to stop it? Yeah, how to keep it under control. Like what do you do? Because it's rage. Basically.

[00:40:45] And then that's when he like wakes up and then it's like, am I one of them? Which kind of makes that more sense because like he's been having this hallucination where he thinks maybe he is and he doesn't know.

[00:40:53] And then yeah, but they cut that out because again, they figured just showing the eye hemorrhage is enough of a reveal. And cut that scene out. Yeah, I thought it was clever. They thought it was a little confusing, but I don't know. I feel like it made sense.

[00:41:06] Yeah, it was going on in his head. This kind of reminds me the way that this story was told. It kind of makes me think of how we had Bird Box and then Bird Box, Barcelona, where we had a different story going on in the same universe

[00:41:22] told a little bit differently. And yeah, it's still related though. And I feel like this was similar to that. In some in the same way, like it. Yeah, I have an appreciation for it because I know people can say, well, it's not as good as the first one.

[00:41:44] It's not. It's a very different story. Right. But it's still very good. Yeah, I really, really like this one. Yeah, great watch every time to me. It's one of the sequels that holds up more than some of the others.

[00:42:00] Because they didn't try to make it like a back to back, you know, continuation of a story. Right. Mm hmm. Yeah, which I like that because it's it is a universal kind of story where it's like

[00:42:14] we could follow the same people, but what else is going on in other places? And I like that it was like it is a sequel as far as it does take place after the fact of the first movie.

[00:42:23] And it's like, oh, now we're we are seeing the aftermath, but it's it's not following the same people we saw before. Right. See how what happened during that initial outbreak affected a different family. Let's make it a closer family instead of the loner who has found family.

[00:42:39] Now it's right, this actual family who's dealing with things that are like really hard tearing them apart and like their connection through it. So it is a different story. And yet this one could also still be about real family

[00:42:52] but also found family because Scarlett and Doyle became their surrogate family throughout this adventure trying to get out. Um, sometimes family is who you find, you know, you find your family even though you're not related by blood. What? What I can't help myself.

[00:43:16] The real family is the friends we made. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. So I mean, I guess it's mostly happy ending. I mean, he's like we said, Andy, he's infected, but he's he's got that trait, the genetic trait. So he's he's OK. He's still himself.

[00:43:39] Just nobody make out with him, please. Then you'll be OK, I guess. Yeah. Funny enough, Flynn does not realize once they get to the stadium, Flynn takes them across the channel. He doesn't seem to notice then Andy's been bitten. Right. And so is it a happy ending?

[00:44:02] I don't know because here's where I question, did we need the 28 days later again on the back end of this? Like, I feel like if we just could have. They fly off in the helicopter and it's more like, and is there hope for humanity? We don't know.

[00:44:19] Instead, we get this weird kind of not really, you know, pre-credits extra scene to end the movie where the chopper is down. We don't know if anybody is alive, dead. We don't know what's going on and the infected are running rampant through

[00:44:39] Paris, and it's just like, oh, so maybe not such a happy ending. You know, it's like, no, what about Andy and all these possible like answers and solutions that are in his blood? And we may never know. At all. No, I mean, did Andy infect them all?

[00:44:56] Right. Because he could have been the source of the infection. Yeah, I mean, they they they touched down for some for some gas to refuel in France. And Andy found this like cute French girl and decided a while in France, you do as they do.

[00:45:11] And then it just bam, there we go. Why did you have to do it? No, but I don't know. As I said, the next installment is finally coming next year. We talked about that. Maybe we get a mention to Andy Harris in that movie, or maybe not.

[00:45:29] Maybe he just died off screen at the end of this and was all for nothing. We'll see what happens next. I don't know because there's going to be a trilogy of movies. They want to do the first two. They want to film them back to back.

[00:45:44] And the cast so far is pretty great. So they've got Aaron Taylor Johnson, Jody Comer, Ray Fiennes. Jack O'Connell and Killian Murphy. The fact that Killian Murphy is coming back is. And he's wanted to this whole time.

[00:46:05] Yeah, but just like, especially after the things that he's been doing recently, you might say it's kind of a bombshell. It is to get him back after that. Because he's had high demand, Oscar winner. He's wanted to do it from the beginning.

[00:46:21] He wants to do it if Boil and Garland are involved. He's going to be a producer on it as well. They've started filming as of May 7th. Yeah, it's on track. There's not anything really released about it, which is good. I don't want to know anything. Yeah.

[00:46:38] You know me. I'm not going to watch any of the three movies that exist. I'm just going to go in opening night and watch it and be amazed. Yeah, Aaron Taylor Johnson. I'm excited. I like him a lot. Yeah.

[00:46:51] I probably won't see Craven, but no, just because that whole Sony Marvel verse is just not good. Yeah, it's not my Marvel. So I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. But now, but no, I mean, Aaron Taylor Johnson. I love I mean, Godzilla. He was so great.

[00:47:09] We had a lot to say in 2014. God, so with him, of course, his he was in the good Marvel very quickly in two ways. Quick silver. We hardly knew you. Yeah, but that was that was fun. And of course, I mean, he's kickass.

[00:47:28] So yeah, I haven't watched those movies in a long time. I need to revisit. I know they are so fun. Oh, little Chloe Grace Moretz and she was a little badass in those movies. I mean, hit girl. So good. I think. Yeah, I think that's a great idea.

[00:47:47] They don't fit our genre, but. I just need to go back and watch them sometimes. I mean, I do watch movies sometimes that don't fit in our genre. Sometimes, you know, also, image and poots has expressed interest in coming back and playing Tammy. So maybe we'll see her.

[00:48:09] But I did go through and double checked like some different things because I want to make sure that I wasn't saying something that wasn't correct because a lot of like stuff that is put out there. That's fake posters that are they're not real.

[00:48:26] So I went and actually looked, you know, variety and Hollywood reporter. And I looked at websites that are pretty reputable when it comes to this type of information. And it it's correct. So, yeah. Yeah, they've wanted to do it for a while. It's been talked about.

[00:48:47] No, they don't have titles for anything other than 28 years. Because like I'm one is like, do they just do? They do one of them as a prequel and go back and retroactively two months? I mean, I mean, they could.

[00:49:00] I can tell you that Anthony Don Mantle, who was a cinematographer on 28 Days, is back for this one. So it's not just, you know, Garland and Boyle. They're pulling back in people that were involved in the beginning with this film. And I mean, too, they were.

[00:49:23] I will tell you this before we get back on track. And I feel like we're going to have to talk about Don next because that is a lot of the story, too. When they first started talking about this, one of the ideas

[00:49:36] they wanted to do was called 29 Days later. They were going to use Jim, Selena and Hannah from the first film. Then they scrapped that idea and then they were going to do like something 28 weeks later or an SAS team, which is like a SEAL team

[00:49:54] is sent into London to get the Queen of the Prime Minister or someone that was left behind. And then finally they figured out that they would just do. You know, weeks after to deal with the impact that the rage has had on the location.

[00:50:12] And I think that was the right thing to do because they gave it the opportunity to be standalone. And I think that's what it needed. Yeah. Yeah. They were really like honestly. They were all really floored by the fact that this film was so successful, especially in America.

[00:50:33] And so they wanted that's why they've wanted to come back and do more is because they know they have an audience. And so, yeah, they're back at it. So it's coming. I can't wait. Yay. That'll be fine. So let's talk about Don.

[00:50:52] Yeah, I've got Don and then Alice even just. Yeah. Right into that. But yeah, we get that opening scene where they're all at this like farmhouse cottage out here. And it seems like they honestly haven't been there for like that long.

[00:51:06] Like this is it's not like they've been surviving out there for months and months and months. This is kind of right at the start. Like this is while Jim is wandering around and meeting people, you know, that like things went down, they managed to get together,

[00:51:22] get out this cottage, meet up with these people and they're hiding out. Um, I know we meet like a little bit of these. I think it's Karen. I don't characters don't matter. They're not here for long. Yes, but one who's boyfriend or husband. Yeah, her boyfriend left.

[00:51:38] Yeah, five days ago. And then this guy, Jacob is like being kind of do she does. He's definitely dead. Yeah, please go. She's like, well, I'm going to save food for him anyway. In case he comes back, he'll be hungry when he comes back.

[00:51:51] And it's I like that. The line is just like it won't be for the pasta if he does. And they're running out of food. Like they don't have a lot of choices. They're down to very little.

[00:52:02] And then this little boy shows up and he was definitely very hungry. So the extra plate helped out. The unfortunately though, well, way to go, kid, you brought all the monsters and friends only they're not friendly. No. And so then anything they were trying to build there

[00:52:20] just shit hits the fan zero to 102 seconds. You know, I'm watching this is like, oh, look at all these cool characters we have lots of interesting never never mind. Yeah, yeah, they all go. Bye bye. Bye. Yeah. To where it's it's just on leftover.

[00:52:38] He panics and like locks the infected into the bedroom with his wife and this little boy sacrificing them in order to make his own escape. I'm like immediately early. Well, that's going to haunt him forever because that's coward shit. Survivor shit, but coward.

[00:53:00] And I have the questions like, was it right? He did not have anything to defend himself. She did say to him help, help, help. But the issue is Don also had to think about the kids.

[00:53:16] Like, did he really want to leave the kids behind with not with no parents at all? Do you think he made the right decision? Like he would have died. I think he would have died had he tried to fight the infected to save

[00:53:30] Alice. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. You see how he was already all the way out in the yard running towards the boat when he looked back and sees his wife get grabbed. Like all of that time he could have grabbed her himself

[00:53:42] and taken her out the door with him. I don't know. She wouldn't leave the little boy. Yeah. I don't I don't know that point. I mean, I mean, Don seems like a pretty. Strong, capable individual.

[00:53:56] That's when you just go in there and you yank the kid out of up in your arms and you say, all right, I'm grabbing you and taking you with us. Let's go. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like

[00:54:09] he had a lot more of a choice and a chance than he says he did. Yeah. I really do feel it was to set up. He made a cowardly decision that that that cost her life, at least he thought initially.

[00:54:26] I mean, and again, he tells his kids that their mother is dead. He didn't see her dead body. Do you think it was right for him to say that? Yeah, I don't think he was necessarily in the wrong there

[00:54:40] because for all intents and purposes, I mean, she was in that room. She got grabbed and pulled away from like. There is absolutely no thought in anybody's mind that anybody's immune or not going to survive something like that.

[00:54:53] I mean, yeah, I think that is a fair assessment to go like, oh, yeah, she's definitely dead after that moment. Yeah, I would think so too. But I don't know. I got a real. I tried to be empathetic to him and his decisions and I just got grumpy.

[00:55:10] Like I was like, but we're talking about Robert Carlisle. OK, he's been in Boyle movies before. He is an impeccable actor. He actually was supposed to be in the first movie. He was supposed to play. And Major Henry West, which is the part that Christopher

[00:55:30] Eccleston had, but Carla was he had to turn it down because of scheduling. But he was supposed to be that guy and I could see him as that guy because he's just he plays menacing really well. So I can see him in that role.

[00:55:47] But yeah, but so we see that. Yeah, then he meets Jacob down at the dock after running only to get him killed to whether his own purpose or not comes and still not that great. Then he's all on his own.

[00:56:01] And this is of course all set to the iconic music. The return of John Murphy's in the house in a heartbeat that was used in such a great moment in 28 days later as well.

[00:56:16] And I'm like, that score comes back and it's just like, yes, this is a 28 movie. Like this is what we're doing. It is. It's back. We're back. It's one of the most impactful scores. In this century, I think.

[00:56:31] Oh yeah, I legitimately my next note on here is still to this day. Easily one of my top movie score pieces ever. Yes, ever. And they use it. Some films will use it in their trailers. And it's like when I hear it and I'm looking at the trailer

[00:56:50] because I do watch trailers, I'm just like, that's 28 days later. I don't know that you should be trying to use that iconic. Yeah, I don't know. It's taken me to the zombie land, not the movie, but you know what I mean.

[00:57:08] It's taken me to that place of fast running zombies or infected. And I won't apologize to Ben. Yeah, then we've talked about, yeah, he did survive after getting away. He went into quarantine, got set up in the new reconstruction of London, gets reunited with his kids.

[00:57:30] And then they're asking about, of course, as they would, you know, what you were there, what actually happened with mom. And he tells them, kind of like I'm like, Don, that's not exactly how that went. You might have fudged some facts a little bit. Yes, he did. OK.

[00:57:52] And then learning that she's alive, Alice is alive again. Of course, she's definitely infected. And yeah, does seem to be immune. We've talked about that. Of course, he doesn't have a chance to talk to Scarlett or Stone or anybody else about what's going on there.

[00:58:10] He's why would his key card allow him? What where was the security detail? I mean, that didn't make any sense. We've just established she's infected and she can she's a carry and can pass it on. So let's just leave her in that room with zero soldiers anywhere near

[00:58:28] to be guarding her or watching to make sure somebody doesn't just walk. And you know that her husband has clearance. Why would you not turn it off? Right. I mean, because it's a volatile situation. I don't know if that makes sense to me, but I'm starting to think,

[00:58:44] you know, it's OK because sometimes things that make sense, they just don't occur in these movies. Right. Department of suspension. Yes. Exists for. Yeah. Yeah, because he's going back to her because, of course, what he's told his kids and what happened there, I mean, him running

[00:59:03] across the yard and looking back at her as she gets grabbed, like, well, Donny is going to have some splendid to do. Yes, she's back. Yeah, definitely. And he goes and talks to his kids and they're asking him questions and they find out that she's still alive.

[00:59:21] Of course, I mean, you know, they found her and brought her back and now that he's finding out and then. Tammy's kind of like you said she died and they're kind of angry, sort of an accusatory tone, but really, they're just like they're mad

[00:59:34] and they're like, you need to explain what's going on. And it's like, man, he's been reunited with his kids for like a day and they're already yelling at him. Kids. And I was like, that's that's maybe why Don as an infected,

[00:59:48] it just seems to be targeting Andy for some reason. He's just like, right before I died, basically, you were yelling at me and now I'm mad about that. So I'm just going to tear your face up, you little shit for yelling at me. Like, is that he's just

[01:00:05] the whole situation where he becomes infected? I just want it. I don't know. Part of me thinks that she infected him on purpose. Like, so I have that. I have that note that like thought where I'm like. Does she know?

[01:00:24] Was it was like, was her like, oh, I forgive you in kissing him like some kind of version of the most extreme Petty revenge imaginable. Like that's what I think. But then the way she like reacts in real true fear whenever he like turns back

[01:00:41] on her, I don't know. Yeah. I don't think so, but like part of me is like. But did she? I don't know. I kind of think that she infected him on purpose as revenge for what he did

[01:00:56] by leaving her and I look at the situation like, hmm, I get it. But then I also look at the fact that this all was because they needed to get a picture like this, the catalyst for this.

[01:01:14] And yet when everything burns up, the picture burns up with it. Yeah. Like it because they light up the district to blow it up and. The picture is part of what gets blown up. And I'm like, so Andy still doesn't have a picture because it's gone.

[01:01:37] Yeah. So yeah. But yeah. So of course we learn as the audience about her like, oh, she's not immune per se, just like carrier pass the virus on. We learn that Don doesn't right before he shows up to give her a

[01:01:54] big ol smooch to start the whole damn thing. Oh, and it's a very intense kiss. Way to go, Don. We did it. Yeah. And that's when shit hits the fan in. I mean. Don is infected and he just doesn't want to keep it to himself.

[01:02:13] Yeah, it's it's an honestly really sad moment, though, like after all this time, you end up actually killing her for real. Then yeah. And then essentially yourself. I mean, there's no coming back from that infection. No. Of course. I mean, you're a zombie at that point. Yeah.

[01:02:31] Much. I mean, like you're you're gone. And then all these other people, of course, where you started this whole chain reaction of an entire second wave of the rage virus scouring its way through London and beyond. Yeah. Yeah. You are the catalyst for that piece of history.

[01:02:51] The spread of the rage. Right. Yeah, just the way he like takes her out. It's just like it's all very just heavy. Yeah. I didn't I felt bad for her. I'm just like, you know what? Leave her the fuck alone. You've done enough to her.

[01:03:09] To be honest, you've done enough. Yeah. You left her to die. Takes out. Takes out a few soldiers, makes his way around. Then I don't know how as a rage virus infected monster, he's so sneaky, but he managed just to like sneak around

[01:03:26] in all the hallways and stuff and not really be noticed even to where the military have confined all of these people into this like parking garage to like bar them off and hold them in place. And he's just like comes through the back door like, oh, hey, guys.

[01:03:40] And as we learn that it takes just one Donald to stir up a whole crowd of calm good people into a murderous violent frenzy. That's something that this movie and totally only just this movie and nothing else in life has taught me. Yeah.

[01:03:59] And then I guess really that's with Don after that is he just kind of is the lurking, sneaky ninja monster where he survives the fire bombing and he survives all of the sniping and all the time. He's just sneaking around doing his thing, trying to get his kid.

[01:04:14] Well, he did play Rumble Stillskin on a show called Once Upon a Time. So I don't know. That show that was written by the people who ruined fear? Yes. Oh, damn. Got it. But yeah, so he's just like hunting down his son for most of the movie.

[01:04:32] And then finally he does and it's like, Andy, give your papa a big old kiss. No. I miss that's your clavicle. I've never been good at intimacy or affection. It's something that your mother always complained about.

[01:04:46] So I'm sorry that I was and still can't do it very well here. Anyway, oh, look, it's your sister. Come on, come on, get in the how that hurts. I'll stop it. And then that's kind of how it ended for him. Good night, bang. Yeah.

[01:04:58] And that is the end of Don. It is looking so who do we have next? I've got Scarlett next. I don't have a lot to say about her that we haven't already. She's tied in a lot with just like the story of the immunity, whatever.

[01:05:18] So there's not a lot to talk about with her. I forgot about this cast. It's been a long time since I saw it. Great cast. I was excited. And I like seeing her show up and I was like, ah, freaking Rose Byrne.

[01:05:27] I was like, I forgot she's in this. Yay. It's amazing. Like a lot of those great moments. Of course, after everything goes to hell and she's trying to get the kids out with her, she's made that her mission immediately.

[01:05:42] Like, you know, this is she's very protective over the kids, especially Andy. One yes. Because they're the only kids in London right now at all, it seems. But then more importantly, because of his genetics that might hold this key to a vaccine or a cure.

[01:06:00] But no, these kids are with me. My name is Andy. And I was like, no, no. Your name is Scarlett. She's confused. I don't. Um. Yeah. Maybe she's maybe she's infected. She forgot her own name. She thinks she's Andy now. I am.

[01:06:17] She did a really good job of like trying to keep them safe as much as she could. Once they got to the subway system. Night vision in a train tunnel. Bad idea. Absolutely. I've gone wrong before. Totally not having just Cloverfield. Oh my God, that is my note.

[01:06:42] My note actually is where is it? Subway vibes reminded me of Cloverfield and the whole thing with Marlena. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I was like, yeah. This never goes badly. And if you want to listen to our discussion of Cloverfield,

[01:07:00] that was episode two of Run For Your Lives. Way back in the beginning. So check it out. Yeah. And then in the end, Scarlet gets 360 no scope. Oh man. As in she gets hit in the face like 360 times and then gets no more scope. She deserves better.

[01:07:16] Ever again. Scarlet deserves better. Roseburn is fantastic. I'm glad that we still get to talk about her in other films. Yeah, we've still got several insidious ones. We do. I bet we'll talk. I say several. We've got two. Two more. Four and the red door.

[01:07:36] I think so, yeah. OK. Yeah. Excellent. So we've got two more to do. We'll get to it. So that's really all I have on her unless you've got a little bit more. No. That was it. We already talked about the one thing where

[01:07:50] I felt like she was disregarded when she tried to tell them. They didn't listen. Of course they never listened to the person who's the voice of reason. It's just a common thing that goes on. So let's talk about Doyle.

[01:08:08] Yeah, and then I've got some Flynn stuff thrown in as well. I just kind of combined them, but it's mostly Doyle, which Jeremy Renner. Yeah, we talked about a little bit earlier. My favorite part of this movie. I just love Jeremy Renner in general.

[01:08:21] He's great, but he's super great here. And I'm pretty sure almost positive, confident that this was my introduction to him was this movie. It was mine for sure. It was the first time I ever saw him. It came out before The Hurt Locker.

[01:08:36] I feel like The Hurt Locker is what brought him to mainstream attention. And that came out like a year later, I think. I don't think I still have never seen that. He was also in assassination of Jesse James

[01:08:55] by the coward Robert Ford, which is also a good movie. So yeah, so then this would have been my introduction to the point that I do remember when Thor came out. And he made his debut for the MCU as Hawkeye.

[01:09:10] And I literally went, oh my god, it's the dude from Flare Weeks later. That's awesome. Like that was where? My Jeremy Renner story is this. It has nothing to do with movies. It has to do with being at trivia. And the answer to a question was Jeremy Renner.

[01:09:29] And I said Jeremy Renner. And Donkey wrote it down as Jeremy R-E-N-N-A-H, not Renner. He should be able to speak main or something like that. He can. But this is the situation. And so it's an inside joke now all the time. It's Jeremy Renner. Renner.

[01:09:53] Yeah, which might random note on Jeremy Renner He put out an album this year. He's done several. He's a great musician. He's got some good music. But he put out an album this year that is very good, like legit tears in my eyes listening to some of it.

[01:10:11] It's pretty emotionally impactful, of course. Because it's like. Did he record this after his accident? Yes. OK. They recorded after and it came out early this year. Because that's why it's very emotionally impactful is a lot of the songs.

[01:10:26] There's a lot of reference to his accident and near-death experience and coming back stronger and the relationships that he has and how much more life and experience and family and people mean to him now on the backside of it. And he's just such a strong person.

[01:10:44] He gets very vulnerable and talks about a lot of the really tough stuff about his recovery in that album. But there's a lot of positivity in it, too. It's a great album. It's definitely on my shortlist. I was just going to ask you, is it top nine worthy?

[01:11:00] We'll have to see come New Year's and see. It's up against a lot of heavy hitters this year. It definitely is. But it's on the shortlist already. I'm going to have to give it a listen because I like what he's done in the past.

[01:11:13] He comes up whenever they do actors who are also singers. He's come up a few times in some of those trivia rounds. Yep. It's Jeremy Renna. Doyle as a character, I really like to the point where like we did before,

[01:11:34] I think he's someone that could be on a shortlist at the end of this season of characters. Yeah. Again, it's it's very early. But but again, we usually are like season opener. Is always kind of a big heavy hitter of a movie anyway.

[01:11:55] You're Sean at the dead last time, right? Yeah. Well, two seasons ago it was. Yeah. Oh, it's been two seasons since we did Sean. Oh yeah. Tucker and Dale. Tucker and Dale was the opener for that season. Oh my gosh. Yes, you're right. Well, technically, bloodlines was.

[01:12:13] But again, it was like a holiday. Right. Weird thing like in search. Yeah. Holiday specials do not count. They do not count. They just drop. And again, it's a little surprise for you. Happy holidays. Yeah. So we talked about Flynn, Harold Parano.

[01:12:36] Yes. So the military security force and stuff that Doyle is part of right now, like at first, it seems like really they're just government paid peeping toms. That's their whole job right there. TV is watching people in rooms.

[01:12:53] It makes me think that whenever I stay in a hotel again or any place, I'm going to make sure the blinds are closed because you don't know who's peaking in. Especially in like big cities like that. Yeah. All the buildings are up like that.

[01:13:08] And you just look across and into windows all the time. Like, oh no. But the military has headed up by Idris Elba. General Stone. Which is funny to me. Him there, you know, Idris. He plays an American soldier stationed in London

[01:13:27] when he himself is a London born and raised British actor who spent a lot of time working in America. So. Also a great DJ. Yes. He does live in London himself now. But because I was like, I had to look that up

[01:13:42] because I was like, does he live like please tell me he lives in New York or something now because then it just makes it perfect where it's like. He lives in London. A Londoner living in America playing an American living

[01:13:52] and Britain working but but but still it kind of works. He's done a lot. He probably stays in America a lot for for a couple of things. So. He goes where the work is. He's on a great TV series which you should add to your list

[01:14:10] of TV series of which you have 150 million. He's on a series called Luther. It's a detective show but it's very gritty and it's not black and white. Like it's not. There's a lot of gray area with it. It's really, really well done. Yeah. I need to revisit it.

[01:14:32] It's on the wire too, isn't he? Stringer bell. Yeah. Because I get the wire is one of those shows I've never watched but like it's always on that like the list in the back of my head like eventually I need to because there's so many incredible actors

[01:14:47] who are on that show. Oh my gosh. So many good things and it's like. Take it one season at a time because even though they're connected the storyline for each season tackles a different part of a Baltimore culture. And so if you can only watch, you know,

[01:15:04] get through one season at a time. It's okay because they're specific. It's such a, it's so amazing. Did you finish Six Feet Under? No, I still need to. I got into season two and then dropped off and I haven't been back on that in a long time.

[01:15:22] Well you've been watching some other stuff. Yeah, I need to get back to it. There's just so many things with shows coming back that I need to watch and then just other stuff that I'm wanting to go back and watch for the first time it's been out

[01:15:35] and then just new stuff that I've gotten into. Like finally got into Dropout. Ben will like that reference or at least that call out. Or finally got his Dropout subscription and like all of my free time I just want to give to watching Freakin' Dimension 20 right now.

[01:15:51] You're living in a D&D world. Yes. You really have to come out and play. I am just a D&D girl. Living in a D&D world is that what's in there? Yeah, I think that's it. So D&D is coming to Dead by Daylight

[01:16:10] and so I think you at least have to come play a couple rounds so you can see what it's like. But that's not helping us with the situation here. No, not at all. That was a side tangent. You guys are used to it by now.

[01:16:23] Happens all the time. Yeah. What was I saying? Yeah, so peeping toms. Government made peeping toms until shit hits the fan which they're hoping it doesn't. So really they're just like hopefully this is all we have to do is stand around and watch TV

[01:16:35] and talk shit to each other and watch people. But of course that's not how it goes because everything again hits the fan very fast, very hard and it doesn't take long to where as we talked about soldiers just start firing

[01:16:47] on everyone infected or not coming out of the buildings. And we've talked about a lot of this. You know, Doyle's looking out for Andy as he gets away. But it's just like he's losing all hope and faith in everything that's going on.

[01:17:02] All set again to in the house in a heartbeat. I'll never get tired of such a big score. No, oh my God, it's so good. So good. I love it. It's just one of those scores that you just, you know it when you hear it. Yeah.

[01:17:19] I've talked about it, yeah, because he does post and he's not super happy about gunning down. No, we had a conversation about that. Although devil's advocate, I'm like, if your only goal is to stop a spread of the virus by any means necessary, it makes sense.

[01:17:35] You're in a small area, scorcher. That's what you know, that's what code read was supposed to be. It's like things go sideways. Blow it up. Crush it all started over. We're just that's, you know, even if it's at the detriment of everybody,

[01:17:50] but all these new civilians that have moved back in trying to restart just like, baby with bathwater started again. Yeah, you have to reset. You have to reset. Yeah. But Doyle again was kind of not even interactions with Andy, but just kind of seeing him and passing

[01:18:07] and seeing things that are going on. Like it's enough to make him question it. And he goes down and we talked about that with. It grounds him, I think getting them out. It grounds him seeing Andy brings him back to being a humane person. I think.

[01:18:24] And luckily he has Flynn on his side in the air where Flynn alerts him, you know, you got four minutes to get out of that zone before it's fire bombed. Here's a meetup point at Regents Park. You can get there quick, avoid the snipers. You get in.

[01:18:41] We talked about yeah, getting them out. And then once they're sitting there at the park waiting on Flynn, I talked about the kids having their conversation about their parents and them. But we also have the conversation between Doyle and Scarlett where she doesn't tell Andy

[01:18:57] apparently what he holds, but she does tell Doyle alerts him about the importance of keeping these Harris kids safe. And he immediately steps into gear like, got it. I've got a new machine now. That's what I'm doing. And that was his focus.

[01:19:11] And that's why he was very firm with Flynn about you need to take these kids. No, you don't take them there. You need to take them across the channel. You need to get them out of here because Flynn was concerned that they would never

[01:19:27] let him land if he had civilians with him. So yeah. And Flynn does just fly in the helicopter scene. That's just I love that part. We talk about a lot of different movies. Like there are scenes and images that immediately

[01:19:45] jump to your mind when you think of certain movies. Yeah. Like I mean last season earlier, I mean like Annihilation, Bear, like that's what comes to my head. There's like certain things. You know, it's like The Mist, the ending scene. Yeah. No matter what. Yeah.

[01:19:59] Like there's so many different movies that like a specific image comes to your mind is second that you hear about that movie. This is the one for 28 weeks later for me. 28 weeks later, I just the helicopter coming at an angle shopping all of them.

[01:20:11] Like that's what's like a lawnmower. It's fantastic. And the effects while not the best ever were not as bad as they could have been because similar things are in Sharknado or those types of movies. It didn't look like that. This was pretty serious. I liked it.

[01:20:31] It's a cool scene. It's wild, but I love it. You know, Flynn just going in like himself. Really, I guess. But Doyle ends up making the ultimate sacrifice. When? Which before that, yeah, after they get away from like the

[01:20:51] infected and he takes out a few and they're going to meet back up with Flynn, there was a weird line where he like stops with with Andy and he's like, you tired? Me too. And it's like, okay, he's just trying to like, you

[01:21:02] know, match the level, the energy with the kid. I get that. I do it all the time. And then he says something. He was just like, I'm going to need you to help me out with your sister and then runs off and I'm like,

[01:21:11] I don't even know what he was supposed to be. I don't know. What? Maybe because his sister was a bit freaked at that point. I didn't see anything. I don't know. I kind of didn't. It was just like a weirdly placed line where I was like, what?

[01:21:30] Is this supposed to be in here or should that have been cut out? And then like, then I like literally for like two minutes after that, I'm like while I'm watching, I'm like in the back of my head. I was like, but why?

[01:21:44] And I was like, yeah, I mean, Scarlett got shot. And so like she's injured needing as like, does he think Scarlett is his sister? No. Does he not know what's going on? I'm pretty sure he knows the situation at this point.

[01:21:57] And it was just, yeah, I have to let it go. Sometimes there that we have to let go. Because they just aren't important. And that's one of those things. Yeah, let it go. Let it go. Bye bye. Bye bye. Oh, we're done? Got you.

[01:22:25] But yeah, and then you said, yes, this ultimate sacrifice. I mean, Doyle's not abandoning these people, at least the ones that are left, the two kids in Scarlett are the ones that matter. The other people. No. Well, he only had Sam and Sam thought he could

[01:22:39] help with the mowing of the infected and learn very quickly, no, that was not going to happen. And then that was, oh man, that was something. Sam's trying to pull off his own green day and he's trying to hitch a ride. He is.

[01:22:58] Only it didn't go quite so well. Yeah, so he's going to get them to the stadium with or without him. Whether Flynn likes it or not. You will take them. And yeah, that's where we're going to get that big final scene with Doyle, which

[01:23:15] hiding out from infected and poisoned gas inside a car. Not terrible. Car not wanting to start. Terrible. Flamethrower dudes creeping up through the gas. Really terrible. Doyle getting out and pushing the car. So Scarlet can pop the clutch and get the kids to safety while sacrificing himself out

[01:23:35] in a literal blaze of fire and glory. Fucking epic heroics. Yeah, that flamethrowing was pretty expert. Different than the flamethrowing I saw last weekend on something I was watching. But it was very effective. I remember watching that part and thinking, oh,

[01:24:00] no, I didn't want Doyle today because I thought he was great. I really wanted them all four to get out. That's what I wanted. But that's not what you get. No, you just get the kids at the end. And we don't know.

[01:24:16] And I did like just out of like that random jokie like because it like established the friendship between Doyle and Flynn, but their conversation also just it's good writing. They established Flynn even to this background character of Flynn. They established him as a family person,

[01:24:32] husband and father early on so that when at the end push comes to shove, he can't refuse these two kids on their own. You know that he's like a loving father. And since that's been established, you can see in his eyes go, fuck, I guess I'm doing this.

[01:24:51] Like it makes sense. Yeah, he takes them. He doesn't debate it like he was earlier. And I mean, Tammy has to basically say there's no one else. It's just us. And so he had to grieve the loss of his friend and realizing he's got to get them out.

[01:25:13] That was the, you know, that was Doyle's last mission that he was focused on. And so I feel like that made it a no brainer for Flynn at that point. Yeah. So do you have any more notes there? I mean, we talked about Doyle's death.

[01:25:28] So there's probably not much more notes to talk about after that. I will mention that Millennium Stadium in Cardiff doubled for Wembley or the interior of Wembley because at the time of the filming, Wembley was still under construction. Like at the time there was some construction going on.

[01:25:52] They use visual effects to turn the seats red and make the grass look like it's not been mowed and kept up. Yeah. So the only other notes I have is just some kind of military notes that I've talked about some of them,

[01:26:08] but I thought like they open a, not like very opening in the movie, but like after the stuff with Don and then like, you know, before the kids are moved in is just kind of the things that pop up

[01:26:17] on screen, the text there that I wrote that stuff down. Because I thought it was interesting as it became the timeline of what happened right after that opening scene with Don and Alice and everybody in that cottage. And of course 15 days later, mainland Britain is quarantined.

[01:26:34] 28 days later, mainland Britain has been destroyed by the rage virus. We saw that in the movie of that name. But then it continues on connecting that one and this one. Five weeks later, the infected have died of starvation. 11 weeks later, an American led NATO force enters London.

[01:26:51] 18 weeks later, mainland Britain has declared is declared free of infection. 24 weeks later reconstruction begins and now 28 weeks later. Yep. And it was Alex Garland's idea to use that timeline at the beginning. It was just really cool. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:27:10] And then we've talked about a lot of what's kind of what they're doing after everything happened in the first movie, which as we mentioned, you know, we talked about it speculated is it just Britain that was affected and then seems like it has.

[01:27:24] So they're starting this process and now getting people moved back in. Tammy and Andy are part of that process with zones and cleanup. We talked about that. Talked about Idris Elba. Pretty early on he talks about Code Red where it he the way he talks

[01:27:38] about it. It's like, yeah, it sounds like if the virus does somehow return, like it's scorched earth. And then when it is, I was like, and now it's time for Code Red and not the fun Mountain Dew kind. Nope. Or the fun wrestling move. No, not that either.

[01:27:53] Nope. No fun in this one. I will say they managed to gather a huge chunk of citizens together to lock in a parking garage in a tremendously impressive amount of time. I would not sign up to go get locked in a parking garage with you.

[01:28:12] I mean, they probably would have been better off if it wasn't for that sneaky old ninja Don in the back hallways. It was so interesting how Andy just realized that his dad was there. He's like he sees him and it just, yeah. Don was very creepy.

[01:28:35] But again, Robert Carlyle does these types of characters really well. It's like a wheelhouse for him, I think. And then yeah, the firebombing and stuff. And I just said, well, so much for all that reconstruction.

[01:28:49] And then even after that they crossed the channel, they go under the tunnels. I was like, and also so much for containment. Yep. And then it was all through Europe. I do think it would have been clever to end it with them flying off in the helicopter,

[01:29:08] because then it would have been similar to the way the first one ended where we don't know what happened to them after they just ended up at a house and they made a sign out of material. We don't know anything after that.

[01:29:21] I think it would have been cool. But I also think that this sets it up so that they could still do a lot of different things with it. Yeah. So. I guess we'll find out what happens 28 years later. I'm so ready, Pey.

[01:29:38] They're talking about it being released next year. It seems to me like when they announced it might happen back in March, to me it seems like it's moved very quickly. And I'm down with it. Because I think Alex Garland and Danny Boyle, I think they've been planning this.

[01:29:59] I think they've had ideas. And so that when the time came, they'd be ready to run. And I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what they do with it. Yeah. For sure. It's going to be great.

[01:30:12] There's a bunch of sequels this year and next year that are coming out that I think the potential is great. And it's just going to be exciting to see how it plays out. But I don't have any other notes. All right.

[01:30:30] So we wrap that up another season opener official season. I know, right? In the bag. We did. Yeah. And we didn't have to wait 28 weeks later from the last one episode. No. No, that's good too. I've been fitting, but I don't think people want to wait that long.

[01:30:50] I don't want to wait. No, me either. I'm not that. Oh, there goes the feedback phone. So, oh my gosh. I guess we'll have to get on to that and go see what people had to say about this opener here. All right. All right.

[01:31:06] A little bit of feedback this week on this one. It's always great to have. See, we've got two really great big messages right here for 28 weeks later. And Daphne, go ahead and let you take the first one. Yes. And our first message is from Catherine.

[01:31:21] She said, I've seen 28 weeks later a few times, but I forgot all of the plot except for the first 10 minutes. The camera work and music did an amazing job reflecting that initial panic. I watched the series once upon a time last year and love seeing Robert Carlisle,

[01:31:39] AKA Rumpelstiltskin playing Dawn, another morally complicated character. The turning of Dawn resulting in the death of Alice was quite rough, but the helicopter zombie massacre was amazing. I missed a few plot points like how zombie Dawn survived and ended up in the same area

[01:31:59] as Andy to bite him. I'm looking forward to 28 years later to see what shape this world is in and if a vaccine or treatment was developed from Andy or Tammy. Maybe unless that helicopter crashed in a movie just definitely killed him and it was all for nothing.

[01:32:17] Who knows? We'll have to wait and see. We will. And you know, there are lots of little tidbits out there in the ether. The issue with that is it's hard to figure out what's true and what isn't.

[01:32:30] And for me it's not because I don't want to look at any of it. Exactly. That's where we differ. Alright, and then we have one from Alma. Great to hear from you Alma. Says, I was just watching to refresh my memory.

[01:32:44] I remember why I don't rewatch very often. First off the infected are super fast and so violent. They freak me out every time I watch. And poor Alice being stuck on that bed while her husband turned is probably the most terrifying scene of the entire movie.

[01:32:58] That guy didn't just bite her but violently shoved his thumbs in her eyes covering face emoji, vomiting emoji. Both very fitting. Funny thing is that her husband contained enough of his faculties to get out of the room even though he was fully turned.

[01:33:11] That puzzled me but I guess we wouldn't have much of a conflict if he remained stuck in that room, right? And I was totally grossed out how much saliva Alice's husband had when he went to kiss her.

[01:33:20] He was to say he is my least favorite character of the movie. Not a surprise. I think many agreed with you Alma. Well if you'd like to submit feedback on this movie or any of the others that

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[01:34:17] going on in the podcastica universe around us. My other podcast Strange Indeed, Rima and I barreling through this final season of Sweet Tooth so we will have episode 6 up next week so episode 5 is out now.

[01:34:32] We are on the back end, back half of this show just a few episodes left three left that haven't been recorded and I'm going to be so sad when it's over but also really loving it really enjoying it and glad we're spending

[01:34:44] one more season with Gus and company. Great, great show. So if you're not watching Sweet Tooth check it out. Listen to our coverage over on Strange Indeed. It's been fun. Also cast of us continuing their Walking Dead rewatch, Jason and Lucy

[01:34:59] covering the season 3 episode Walk With Me this week so you can check that out that rewatch has been awesome and of course Lucy on her own aside from working with Jason is with her partner Peter covering the bear season 3 right now on Let It Rip the Bear Cast

[01:35:17] and that has been awesome because not only are they covering each episode of the bear week to week but then doing their little cooking segments based on recipes and food in the show which is really cool so they covered season 3 episode 2

[01:35:32] next this week doing a little bit of some Maddie Matheson Chicken Piccata so that was really cool. Definitely check that out as a foodie and a fan of the bear. I love it so you should check it out as well.

[01:35:44] House of the Dragon in there second season right now has been incredible and shocking and wonderful. All the things you need from anything Game of Thrones and Renny, Veronica and Wendy have been doing an incredible job with their coverage over there

[01:35:58] on Dragon Cast so definitely make sure you check that out as well plus Alex running the immediate discussions over on YouTube the immediate reactions, instant reaction kind of things right there as soon as the show is over check out the podcast YouTube page

[01:36:14] you can see them talking about the episodes right then that is also great to go check out. Speaking of Alex of course his podcast What Is From as they're getting ready as season 3 of that show is filming and doing things

[01:36:28] they're rewatching from and they are in season 1 watching episode 7 so go check out that as a rewatch knowing everything they know from both seasons go back and rewatch that episode that if you are watching interview with a vampire

[01:36:43] then you can check out Vampcast with Danny, Lara and Mark they have Billy and Becky on with them this week everyone's getting together to cover this week's episode and that will be awesome go check out that as well and then lastly outside of podcast always got to give

[01:36:58] some love to our friends over at TV podcast industries who are still working through the boys season 4 right now so check that out weekly as they're covering that and then if you want more of me and Daphne with our friends Jeff and Jerry

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[01:37:50] next week right here on Run For Your Lives because that's right this was the season opener and now we're back every week for the next however many weeks 25 weeks or so we've got a season here for you

[01:38:01] so as the season rolls on what are we doing next week Daphne? a slacker must navigate his way through a corporate office after his co-workers are turned into violent, efficiency obsessed maniacs by a new energy drink no this is not the Belco experiment and no it's not mayhem

[01:38:22] it's office uprising the 2018 film directed by Lynn Odding and starring Brenton Thwaites Jane Levy and Zachary Levi so that's what we have for you next week nice it's an interesting one I think it's over on it's a crackle movie if I remember right it is

[01:38:42] and then so I think I had to rent it on Amazon it was kind of floating around in different places but yeah it's a little known one I had never heard of it until Daphne brought it up so we decided to give that a look

[01:38:51] so if you want to do the same it's interesting it's fun and we'll be talking about it next week so if you want to give feedback and stuff for that we definitely would appreciate it and we'll get to that next week then we definitely will

[01:39:03] and that brings us to the end of another terrifying episode thanks for listening I'm Daphne and I'm Peg and if you have to run you better run for your lives bye bye