Run For Your Lives Podcast Episode 180: Wendell & Wild

[00:00:00] Hey everyone, welcome to the show. I'm Daphne. And I'm Pake. And this is the Run For Your Lives Podcast. This episode we are talking about the stop-motion animated horror comedy film, Wendell and Wild, directed by Henry Selick and released on Netflix October 28th, 2022.

[00:00:53] You brought this up when we did our look ahead, our second look ahead special. Yes, last season. Yeah. Yeah, when you brought it up I had never heard of it. And

[00:01:09] when we decided to do it this week, I didn't look too much into it until I sat down to watch. And I'm... I've got thoughts about it. It kind of hit me. Every time you say something like that,

[00:01:24] I'm like, well good, I would hope so. This would be a really boring podcast if we had zero thoughts. I have no thoughts. It was a movie and I watched it. There have been movies before

[00:01:35] that I've thought that, but I've been able to dig a little bit more out when we've talked about it. But this one, I have... Yeah, I have some thoughts about different things and it kind of hit me like the Mitchells versus the Machines. Like it just...

[00:01:51] Not because it was the same animation because it wasn't, but there was just something about the story that I found endearing and kind of... There was a lot of heart, I think, in it. And a lot of sadness too. Yeah, I really enjoy... Again, I didn't expect

[00:02:17] this because the same as you. Like I knew kind of what it was when I brought it up on the look ahead where I was like, it's directed by Henry Sallick. It's Jordan Peele writing and doing

[00:02:26] voice acting and stuff with it. I was like, it's a culmination of things we enjoy so I don't know much anymore than that. So we'll just give it a shot and so I went in blind watching it.

[00:02:36] Not expecting it to be as heavy thematically as it was in a lot of places, but then I ended up really enjoying that and finding some very poignant and important themes and topics and

[00:02:49] things in this movie, which again, Nimona was something like that that I watched it because it was on the Oscar watch list last year, earlier this year and probably never would have paid any

[00:03:00] attention to that movie. It wasn't for it being on the Oscar list. And so watching it and realizing, oh man, and so between like Mitchell's and Machines, you mentioned a little bit and then like Nimona, which we covered and this, I'm finding this world of animated movies that

[00:03:16] have a lot of really important socio-political things and commentaries and things to say. Like, holy crap. This is like a whole unfound, untapped thing that I didn't realize there's so much potential in some of these animated movies. I know it makes me want to pay more attention

[00:03:33] to what may be coming out further down the road because I really enjoyed Nimona. I really enjoyed Mitchell's versus the Machines and I really enjoyed this one. I think because

[00:03:49] there's more than just heart in them. It is, it's hard for me to put into words. There's just something very special, I think, with the creation of some of the characters that were included.

[00:04:04] And I appreciate it so much, especially with the world the way that it is right now. I feel like we need more of this. Yeah, absolutely. And it was great. We usually when we do these animated movies,

[00:04:20] we keep it our language and everything much more PG or for kids that are listening, we're going to go ahead and give a warning off the top that even though this is an animated film,

[00:04:31] we are going to break that rule a little bit. We are going to allow ourselves to just full fledged because I've got some more intense thoughts about some things that I don't want to bottle

[00:04:41] myself in. Maybe this was a PG-13 animated movie so maybe we'll keep it PG-13. We'll not go too crazy with it but there might be enough bomber to flying. There might. Yeah, definitely. It's not going

[00:04:54] to be like when we've covered I think even Coraline, we were rated G for. It's not going to be like that. I mean, we'll do our best but I feel like this movie, it gets my emotions wound up.

[00:05:16] I was like, I already know. I have a note that I'm going to go over that only works with strong language. Yeah, so we'll do our best. However, we wanted to put that out there so parents would know it's not going to be the same as usual.

[00:05:37] So we'll kick it off though with some production notes. So this was filmed in Portland, Oregon in a studio there. It was done during the COVID-19 pandemic but also during the Oregon

[00:05:53] wildfires that were going on and so the movie was affected not only by it being kind of isolated in the studio but the COVID pandemic and these fires and there actually were fires that impacted

[00:06:10] it. Originally, it was going to be released in 2021 and it wasn't until October of 2022 and late October of 2022. So it got delayed just a little bit by extenuating circumstances which I think we all can relate to at that time.

[00:06:33] It is based on Henry Sellicks and Clay McLeod Chapman's unpublished book of the same name from which Sellick co-wrote the screenplay with one of our favorites, Jordan Peele, premiered on September 11th at the Toronto International Film Festival.

[00:06:53] Tiff, yes. It was released in select theaters on October 21st before the Netflix release. It's 105 minutes long. Paik, bring us a synopsis. Two scheming demon brothers, Wendell and Wild, enlist the aid of 13-year-old Cat Elliot to summon

[00:07:13] them to the land of the living. Did you get the feeling that this could have been named something else? Yeah, I did a little bit. It's interesting that they picked Wendell and Wild to be like

[00:07:27] the titular characters when they really are more side. Cat is very much the focal point of this movie. Of course, everything that Wendell and Wild do are important to the plot and what

[00:07:42] happens. But yeah, it is interesting that they were what the movie was named after and not something else. I don't know, maybe just like the Hell Maiden is not as marketable or something. No, I would think that might

[00:07:58] see a parent's away from it even for their teenage kids to watch. And we were mentioning and talking about this before we started recording, it's not your conventional kids movie because I really think it's an animated,

[00:08:15] it's a stop motion animated film. I think that's made more for adults in some ways because it tackles subject matter that is a bit dark for kids. I think it's an important movie for parents, for sure. There's definitely things that

[00:08:40] I think this movie could open up different conversations between kids and their parents, maybe not too young, but especially when you're getting into middle school, junior high. At 13, the age of Cat and you're looking at some of these, like I said,

[00:09:00] socio-economics and social awareness and political aspects that are in this. Some of those conversations, I think some older kids are ready for it and I think they can be... It's not a bad thing to

[00:09:14] talk about some pretty serious things with some kids a little early to let them know what's going on in the world. It's not all puppies and rainbows. No, and I think you're right. I think 13,

[00:09:25] this is PG-13 movie, I think it would be probably a good time and these conversations would probably start coming up at that time anyway if not a little bit before. But there's so much I appreciated about this movie just because it didn't shy away from

[00:09:47] things and it also presented some of the subject matter in a way that was more accepting, I guess, of certain things and I really appreciated that because I don't think we

[00:10:08] have enough of it. Yeah. It's good to talk about very serious subject matter in sort of a tongue in cheek satirical way and I think it nailed some of that really well. Yeah. Was it a perfect movie?

[00:10:21] No. It would be hard for me to find things to pick really pick apart because I think a lot of it was so well done and the animation style was, it was great.

[00:10:34] Yeah. I mean you know me as like a super fan that like I love stop motion animation stuff so yeah it was nice. It was great because I wasn't sure when I sat down to watch it because I hadn't

[00:10:45] looked at anything ahead of time and when I sat down to watch it it's like oh my gosh this is not this is stop motion. This is it made me again want to go watch the box trolls again

[00:10:57] because I just love this style and it just though it wasn't just like it, it just reminded me of it. Yeah. So I wanted to go watch it again but we should probably get started the way that we

[00:11:13] usually do which is to talk about characters. All right and then obviously where we start and the bulk of the notes that I've got I think the most of the coverage where we're going to get like

[00:11:25] 50 to 60 percent of it out of the way is just with what we talked about the real main character even though it's not the title of the movie. Yeah. Cat. Yeah definitely. So Lyric Ross did the

[00:11:41] voice of Cat and a couple of familiar names were in the running for it. It wasn't yeah it was more um Storm Reid of course. Yeah. Which we know and Amanda Stenberg who was Rue in The Hunger Games.

[00:12:00] Yeah she's starring in the Star Wars series The Acolyte. Yeah so I mean we're not talking about you know actors who haven't done anything at all we're talking about two that have. Yes. But I think Lyric Ross was perfect for this. I thought everything was wonderful

[00:12:23] about the way that she voices character so. Yeah I really enjoyed that. I did wonder like very early on like whenever she's in the van headed back to the Catholic school and

[00:12:34] she drives they drive by the movie theater the theater there that's shut down and it was the Lyric Theater and I was like I wonder if they named it that after the voice actress. I was

[00:12:44] like I don't know maybe it's just a coincidence. They could have. Yes we meet Cat. She's just a kid and with her parents at this town gathering which looked like something you'd find in any

[00:13:02] small town just you know gathering and you can tell that to me they came across as a very close family. They weren't very happy though that she had a candy apple that she was going to eat but

[00:13:21] we don't get to see her parents very long because within the first couple of minutes of the movie they are in a crash and Cat's mother gets her out of the car and tells her

[00:13:37] to hold her breath and she goes you know makes it to the top but I'm scared of bridges like I don't like bridges at all so watching that I was just taken back to that feeling of fear

[00:13:52] like those I was always afraid of bridges I still am I don't really like them because at that point before that happens you just get the feeling that Cat's got a nice little life like things are very normal for her. Yeah and then interesting like it's

[00:14:13] like a family dynamic that I'm like man that would be amazing to like she's got a father like I was like I really liked and I'll talk more about him but the character of Delroy her

[00:14:22] father I mean he's a guy who owns a brewery who is obsessed with 70s and 80s punk and ska bands like yes. I know it's amazing. That's my kind of guy. So amazing. Just spent his time brewing

[00:14:40] beer and listening to like 70s and 80s punk records on vinyl like that's the guy I would hang out with. Yeah it was so great I just really enjoyed the little glimpse that we got to see them

[00:14:52] of them at first he just seemed like such a cool dad. Yeah and her mom you know they just seemed like a cute little family you know fun quirky interesting yeah but Cat's life does not go in the direction that it should have gone because losing her parents

[00:15:15] she is left without anyone really. Yeah I said an animated movie starting with the death of the main character's parents surprisingly actually pretty typical. Yeah man that's where I wonder how many how many parents will let their kids under 13 watch this because I'm just not sure

[00:15:39] but I do agree with you that I think it's a movie that kids that are you know of that age should watch. Yeah so and then yeah before even getting into themes and stuff I mentioned that the music

[00:15:52] this entire soundtrack is incredible I'm obsessed with the music of this movie incredible choices for the soundtrack like even not just I mean it's very thematic like I said it's all

[00:16:05] like kind of revolves around Delroy's taste like it is it's all 70s and 80s punk rock bands and ska bands and a couple other like you know like jazz and kind of blues kind of artists and stuff but

[00:16:19] the cool thing is all of the artists featured on the soundtrack are all like rock bands that are either fully black members or have black front men and women like singers so it's like a very like

[00:16:33] well chosen soundtrack in that way to kind of represent that family and what was kind of going on in the center of this which I thought was so well done and even song choices just themselves

[00:16:43] like it hit me with like the second song we hear in the movie is that River it's like a BA I've I something I hadn't heard the song before but like lyrically I mean like

[00:16:55] you know cat is in the van going back and she sees still like the guardrail hasn't been replaced after five years because the place has been like all worn down and everything but she's having these

[00:17:04] flashbacks of what happened to her parents as like the lyrics I will come to your river or like playing over in her head it's just like it's set that mode immediately I was like all

[00:17:13] right I'm in this is great well we always talk about movies being a character I think in this case in some of this they it was almost like a storyteller or a narrator in the background that you

[00:17:31] it just added to what you were watching it gave you just a little bit more and brought you further into the movie that you were watching yeah um there was the music wasn't just fitting soundtrack

[00:17:43] right going on but it it was ingrained in the scenes and what was happening yeah exactly um it's interesting because Henry Selick actually met uh fishbone which is um where they got the inspiration for some of their music choices

[00:18:03] well the whole movie Delroy is wearing that fishbone yes t-shirt which I noticed like immediately and was like yes exactly um yes Selick actually met some of them they're still performing and uh

[00:18:20] he met them in the late 80s and he directed a music video for one of their songs party at ground zero and that just kind of spearheaded this inclusion of one of their songs in the movie and then

[00:18:39] just this connect music connection for Delroy and it just it enriched things like the music wasn't just an afterthought it just enriched it and enriched your experience when you were watching

[00:18:56] the movie so I thought about it I found like a playlist on Spotify that's just you know the soundtrack of this movie it was like I could just sit and listen to that because it's so good

[00:19:09] yeah the last song in particular that it was playing at the very very end I think it's called boot yes just listening to the lyrics of that I don't know there was something about it that just

[00:19:23] I connected with and throughout the movie I kept feeling myself every song that played it was like oh wow and I had captions on so if I didn't hear something correctly or if I would again

[00:19:36] I was seeing the lyrics come up and it's like oh man this is just it just added to the experience like if I had gone to see this in the movie theater without captions I still would have really liked

[00:19:47] it but having the captions on really added to my viewing experience because I it just connected the dots so much easier visually yeah so yeah that I knew that you'd bring music to the

[00:20:05] table and I'm glad that you did because I knew we could talk about it because it was just yeah it's one of the biggest things with this movie like it's just it's perfect yeah but back to yeah

[00:20:15] character wise I will talk more about music for sure I've got more notes but yeah we see that after that happened Kat kind of took a dark path after her parents death I got into some trouble

[00:20:26] it wasn't specified immediately but we kind of see later on that a lot of it was just I mean I remember I lost my mother at a young age you know not a little bit older than she was when

[00:20:38] it happened where you know a lot is a lot you're changing in a lot of ways and kind of growing as the person you're supposed to be and where you're gonna go and so I see where like I definitely

[00:20:47] had a very rebellious kind of youth in a lot of those same ways too so you see that and then so we do learn that a lot of like the main trouble that she got into is because she was

[00:20:59] kind of just more of a loner and had that rebellious kind of thing that she got picked on and bullied a lot and it just seems like it was more retaliating to a bully that went too far

[00:21:11] yeah finds herself in all this trouble you know by 13 she's already like been in juvie and in and out of group homes and all of these things that just I mean I can't even imagine like just

[00:21:22] the kind of effect that has on on their you know growing mind of a child well it's such an unstable world that she had and like you said those are the years that you're vulnerable and you're learning about yourself and about the world around you

[00:21:45] it's really rough like those are difficult years those are difficult years to deal with when you have two parents yeah not when you I mean to not have either of her parents she doesn't have that stable adult and I know before we've talked about

[00:22:03] you know sometimes it only takes one stable adult in a child's life to make a difference and this is a situation where she really didn't have people looking out for her yeah we did see you know because and I love again the flashbacks kind of or not even

[00:22:19] flashbacks when she's dealing with the the fever as Mr. Manberg calls it but you know but yeah we're you know she has to kind of face that and we'll talk about that more later

[00:22:30] but then through that we see like what happened how she got in trouble but even like the first group home we go into like the person running that is you know is depicted with these

[00:22:39] money dollar signs in their eyes because it's it's this whole I will talk more about this but is this school to prison pipeline idea that's what this movie is about and yeah you already see

[00:22:51] that with these group homes and it's just like people who are able to to profit off of kids in need and she's it's that situation it's such a look at capitalism it is such a look at

[00:23:06] money being the sole focus yeah how do you how do we profit off of the suffering of other people under the guise of like oh we're we're helping them we're rehabilitating them we're

[00:23:16] giving them this we're giving them that just like no but no money is the bottom line and always has been right and you're not really setting them up for success what you're going to do is make it

[00:23:25] so that they get out and then they have to come back yeah and that is just more money that's what you're looking at I mean even the priest at the school that she ends up getting to go to

[00:23:39] at Russbank Catholic all-girls school um that priest was doing it for the same reason although there were things about him I started to wonder I mean is it really is he really trying to save the school I'm not really he just wanted money in his own pocket

[00:23:59] yeah I believe yeah it was that was a little confusing cat caught him out on that pretty early he's just like are you trying to save the school you're trying to help me or you just

[00:24:08] yeah because it's a tax break and you have a deal with the prison and you have this it's like yeah it's bullshit um yeah and she is not afraid to call people out and I like that about her

[00:24:20] that was one of the things that stood out to me about her character right away when we meet her on the even just on the van is that she's been through a lot and it's made her tougher

[00:24:34] than she probably needed to be at this age and she's kind of built up I think these walls she doesn't want any friends she doesn't want people in her life I think because she's lost everyone

[00:24:45] and when you're bounced all over the place you have no stability and nothing you can ground yourself with yeah I will say what where I was going with uh you know that thought is mentioned like nobody but

[00:24:58] we do see that maybe she was a social worker or something but she had one constant and even in those like flashback kind of things with this uh miss hunter yes who seemed to be like

[00:25:10] a good at least some stable kind of thing for her to kind of hold on to that was there with her through going to the different group homes and going to juvie and going to like the prison and

[00:25:19] then going to the school and and being there with her and I liked that character and again the music aspect first thing I one of the first things I noticed other than like she has like the the

[00:25:29] markings and stuff it was very much a well it depicted like native kind of like indigenous person which was really cool um but then she's got that link ray shirt on which again 70s kind of music

[00:25:41] and stuff great you know indigenous musician who went on to do a lot of fire and brimstone rumble yeah so well the actress that voiced that character is she's actually creed medis

[00:25:54] so she's indigenous and she has uh one of the indigenous chin tattoos like for her um people and I've seen that it's tend to something uh I didn't have it marked down tend to card no

[00:26:10] yeah because I have seen her in several things in live action and stuff too she's an incredible actress yeah I like that Henry Selick he goes the extra mile with what he's doing because this movie

[00:26:28] to me also was about like diversity was a thing in this movie as far as the different types of characters that we got to meet I appreciated that yeah uh which I mean Henry Selick it's

[00:26:42] like it's got a bit of a core line vibe and that's yeah Henry Selick directed both there's different animators so it you know it's not like a but it still stopped motion and it really felt

[00:26:53] similar in a lot of ways which was cool but also different and heavier in a lot of ways too I don't know would you put uh the other mother up again would you put the other mother up against

[00:27:06] Irmgard Claxton because I that could be quite a talking about rumbles that could be quite a battle right there oh yeah uh yeah so we get to the school as you mentioned isn't there because cat is this uh part of this program yes break the cycle program

[00:27:27] that again sounds great on paper until you realize just the underlying what it is is it is the school to prison pipeline idea you know you can sell it as oh we're giving these you

[00:27:40] know troubled kids a second chance and putting them in this private school and seeing how they can do knowing full well they're expecting them to screw up so that they can you know expel

[00:27:50] them from school deny them an education and then they wind up in prison doing jobs for no money you know like that's yeah what the idea is and I think this was in the works before her parents died

[00:28:05] clax corp was trying to buy up everything so they could build this they were going to build something they wanted to build the prison yeah this big private prison in and built buy out the

[00:28:18] whole town level everything and then basically just replace the town with this big private prison and the council people of the town fought back constantly with them including cat's parents yes as you know he owned the cute big brewery and he was definitely a

[00:28:37] like cornerstone and staple piece of this town yeah and I think you know their deaths really leveled the playing field or tilted it in the wrong way for the community versus clax corp

[00:28:52] yeah I think they were that was a catalyst for all of this and I'm sure we'll talk about the claxons a little bit later but they really were to me the quintessential we'll do whatever

[00:29:07] it takes to get what we want yeah well so we learned like the brewery burned down and it was like really bad and all these people died there and then you start to see it was like oh and then

[00:29:18] clax corp was able to come in and start you know moving everything out people left and they just had run of the town themselves and then immediately like even before the story even went there I

[00:29:30] was like well that makes the fire there very suspicious yeah and I mean there were not that many people left I mean we had Fawzi who sold falafel and it was good to see him still at it

[00:29:46] when we saw him it's like he's still got his his falafel food truck he's not going anywhere which is because he's one of the guys on the community council there when the town council so

[00:29:56] he's sticking it out yeah and so there was you know I at first thought everyone died in that fire but it seems like based on the ending of the movie people left yeah they just left

[00:30:13] it was a huge profit point and community point of the town and so whenever the brewery went lots of other local businesses started going and it just the yeah everything in the town it just

[00:30:26] kind of crumbled apart its whole economy fell apart and people left yeah and so we're left with you know here comes cat on this new adventure that's supposed to be you know giving her a

[00:30:43] second chance when we know the underlying is it's not about second chances it's about well when she screws up this is just more clout for us to need to build that prison

[00:30:55] yeah you know yeah and she's immediately like a huge fish out of water situation here with I mean shivan sweetie and slone oh interesting characters that like at first like i'm gonna hate them and

[00:31:09] then you're actually like they're fine yeah but you know she calls them like you know the toy poodles yeah they're they're a lot right out of the gate uh but as they're like they're not like

[00:31:21] mean girls no i but they're picking at her a little bit they're just they're not but they're not necessarily like bullies or mean girls they're just I looked at them interesting I looked at them like

[00:31:34] they wanted her to be their special project yeah including her and having her be part of their group was an important thing but I also think based on a photo that we saw later that used

[00:31:46] include another person that maybe they wanted her to be the replacement for right and so I don't I wouldn't say that they're like bullies or bad people but they were very much like in their boxes and

[00:31:57] so yeah Raul was part of their group with them and then whenever he was different they didn't like bully him or weren't really mean to him no they're still friendly but it was

[00:32:09] like you're not within the group anymore like you're not you know you're not with one of us respect you but you're not there and so yeah I feel like they're they're trying to kind of

[00:32:21] this special project it's like can we take this weird goth girl and turn her into one of us yeah and I think you know especially Siobhan continued to make an effort over and over again

[00:32:37] to connect with with her but Kat really didn't want any friends she's used to being on her own and not having anyone else to count on because she's just been shuttled around I just think of rod

[00:32:50] punches I don't need no new friends but the whole time I'm thinking oh Kat but this is an opportunity because you can meet someone that can change your life if you let the walls down just

[00:33:07] a little bit like you might meet someone who can be a part you know a force in your life to help you but I get why she cut herself off from everyone and didn't want to put herself out there I totally

[00:33:22] get it yeah which to skip to the end because again when people are listening this we assume watch the whole movie so we don't have to spoil it you're not watching along as we're talking so

[00:33:33] yeah it's a big lesson that Kat has to learn to where I do like you know at the end of the movie she has Raul she has Siobhan she has Wendell and Wilde she has you know Sister Hellie you know

[00:33:45] she's got she has a group of people that she can lean on and she's open to and she can you know and I like that we do see that that arc in that chain yeah she has a support system

[00:33:55] yeah which she hasn't had before and I'm sure it was hard for her to get to that point but I think throughout the process of this movie and everything that she goes through with them that she's able to let her walls down and let people in.

[00:34:12] Of course I think a big part of why Siobhan keeps really trying to befriend her and be nice to her is she saves Siobhan's life uh where she gets this vision of the brick falling

[00:34:22] and then pushes Siobhan out of the way and saves her you know new power who dis? Exactly. What was that? Which was interesting to kind of see where that went also we hadn't mentioned Gabby the goat Gabby goat was just adorable.

[00:34:38] Adorable so adorable I wondered though with her getting this power like well is this one of those things that one when you get to be a certain age it comes about or two she's going back

[00:34:51] to her hometown and that kind of influences it to come to the surface. Yeah I don't know if it was they don't really specify we see that Sister Halley also was a Hell Maiden which is interesting that she's a nun but also like was connected to demons in

[00:35:10] hell which is interesting yeah it does seem kind of like not what it's not what I would expect. Yeah but yeah I don't know if she was chosen or if it was like a genetic like thing or it's just

[00:35:25] a random happenstance or if it's because of her situation in life and it was just yeah I don't know they didn't really specify. I wondered if it was like Buffy the Vampire Slayer like you're just chosen you're the

[00:35:37] chosen one I don't know maybe but um yeah so there's a lot that I could kind of skip it's about Wendell and Wilde and how they connect with her but yeah she becomes this

[00:35:49] Hell Maiden for these demons that have their own goals and their own dreams and can try to use her to accomplish that and so it's this deal of you know basically you summon us up from hell

[00:36:05] so we can do what we need to do and in return well we'll bring your parents back to life of course they're flat out lying they don't know how to do that of course but they figure out a way

[00:36:14] it's at least worth a shot so she's just got to go to get this uh Bears Abub and use it to perform the summoning ritual I love Bears Abub so much the voice is adorable.

[00:36:27] And you think at first this is an adorable bear but it's like there's something a little bit sinister under the surface yeah however it doesn't take away. I love that kind of thing. Well Joyce it's a new day in your miserable life.

[00:36:46] Yeah it was it was too cute it was one of the things in this movie where it's like okay this should be terrifying but I can't help but it's adorable. Yeah so she goes and does this like ritual summoning thing which I did translate the Latin.

[00:37:02] Oh you did. Bear yes because I was curious and it actually ends up being kind of a foreshadowing or not really spoiler because you think it's like oh they messed up the translation a little bit there's a wrong

[00:37:14] word in there and then no um it kind of foreshadows something which was cool but the Latin that the bear has her recite is translated to through the powers of the virgin the gates of hell can be opened so that the demons can return to their parents.

[00:37:35] Oh wow and whenever I translated that because I just did it right at the time that it was happening I was like no the demons aren't going to their parents that's her parents like was there like a

[00:37:49] a grammatical mistake or something but then later we do see Belzer is the father of all these demons that Manberg has been holding on to and he gets all of his children back and

[00:38:00] and you're like oh there's a whole bigger picture thing here that's crazy and we're not privy to that at the beginning yeah we are not privy to that at all and so at the end when it's all like

[00:38:13] when when Belzer shows up and starts talking about his kids disappearing it all starts to make sense but now knowing that translation I mean it is foreshadowing of what's coming yes I mean

[00:38:33] but I have to say I don't think Wendell and Wilde knew that connecting with cat was going to bring their siblings back like that was not something I think they were yeah but it was

[00:38:45] Bears above that came to them first and set them on this goal so like where did that come from there's a whole other goal like behind the scenes it's interesting and the Bears above belong to

[00:38:56] Manberg yes so the Bears above would know that all of the siblings were there yes so interesting that opens that translation opens a lot of additional thinking I feel like I have to do about things yeah yeah it's really cool actually

[00:39:13] um and then it's another thing that like this the the oath of loyalty the the swearing allegiance that causes this like fever that like forces cat to have to face her fears in her past comes about just like on a whim because Wendell and Wilde are just like

[00:39:33] riffing and they're like we gotta buy time you have to swear allegiance to us and do our bidding and they're just like pulling it out of their ass but then like it ends up being a thing

[00:39:43] that you're not supposed to do in that situation she was in and it's like great I thought it was really clever how it looks like a bite wound on her hand but then it's like she puts it up over

[00:39:54] her mouth and it just forms like this mouth and it all aligns and yeah I thought that was really clever yeah the skull mouth yeah one of the demons called her it's like okay this is this is different

[00:40:09] and there's like this demonic compulsion that's like forcing her like she has to fight against it in order to do things that she wants to do that's not aligned with what Wendell and Wilde told her

[00:40:19] to do right and yeah so that was really interesting that then she has to kind of like fight against that and then sister heli has to help her confront that which we'll talk about in a

[00:40:31] little bit but um because again she does return to her parents Raul we'll talk about him more too uh does raise the parents from the dead himself since Wendell and Wilde decided they're not gonna do it

[00:40:45] the hair cream and we'll get to the hair cream oh my god oh man I'm holding on to something that I just will say once we get to the beginning of Wendell and Wilde but yeah but it was a really

[00:41:00] heartfelt moment and kind of emotional moment where Kat finally gets to reunite with her parents and she's a little scared at first because they've been dead for a few years and they look

[00:41:09] dead yeah not quite as bad as the the forefathers right oh my gosh yeah oh the old guard there were not there was not enough makeup to cover up everything that needed to be covered up

[00:41:22] litter literal corporate zombies yes I thought I appreciated that that was really fun tongue in cheek but yeah but you know that she's kind of scared of them and they turn our way but

[00:41:34] she's like no no you I still love you and this is important and they have that moment and again like the music that's playing when she walks into the house that you can tell

[00:41:44] I was like Delroy Elliot is really into X-ray specs like that's obviously his favorite band by like a million miles absolutely which then made me like I did a lot of like research into the music

[00:41:53] because of course I did and uh fun fact the singer of X-ray specs Pauly Styrene is her stage name but uh her real name was Marion Elliot which is the surname of the family so I thought that was

[00:42:06] really cool uh that's where I've heard of that before because Pauly Styrene uh that icon icon she she I think she only released two X-ray specs albums and then like one of her

[00:42:20] own yeah and died young and I mean like 53 or something but like yeah yeah she did um she's an icon so yeah so X-ray specs was her band that she was the the front person of and Delroy's favorite band

[00:42:36] apparently because there's so much he's listening to that whenever she goes in the house but also whenever she has the boombox that she got from him most of all she's playing our our X-ray spec songs

[00:42:48] and yeah I love that boombox who didn't have a big boombox when they were kids like mm-hmm it was I had mine yeah almost too heavy to carry like when you're little but oh my gosh

[00:43:03] I love that it still had a little tape like the little you could see the little tape thing where oh yeah it's just I got a little nostalgic mm-hmm yeah just his Delroy's taste of music that makes

[00:43:16] up the soundtrack like I mentioned the fishbone shirt and lots of I love how it ties together it just all fits and adds to the story yes and it should like to be a proper soundtrack it should

[00:43:30] be adding not just there is fodder in the background yeah like if there was like an Oscar category for excellence in soundtrack you know putting together a soundtrack man this would have been well you know Peg it is great that we give out our riffle awards and

[00:43:51] let's just kind of watch and see how many movies we cover this season that have soundtracks that we're excited about because I could see it being a category we could add to our riffle awards

[00:44:06] could be interesting yeah so let's pay attention to it we'll put a like there's a music category that's like I guess that is what that is but a lot of that score yeah but like as far as like actual

[00:44:17] songs chosen to carry it yeah it's an art form to be able to put that together and TV they're a tv series that do it very very well sweet tooth that I'm covering on the street

[00:44:27] you need right now my gosh yes has incredible music you know what I don't know what the term of that be whoever is in charge of soundtrack of pieces of music that they're like you know from other

[00:44:39] artists that they're putting together for an episode or something yeah they they're really good at it I feel like they collate it they cultivate it they they pull in the pieces that are going to

[00:44:49] be the most impactful yellow jackets is a the tv series I cover yes same thing it adds to your experience watching and that is how you know I will never ever look at bullets with butterfly wings

[00:45:05] the same way again after yellow jackets yeah that's how you know it's effective yeah for sure you know there's a lot of shows that that do it well like it's it's an art for sure as being

[00:45:16] able to cultivate is a good word yeah put together a soundtrack cultivation uh but yeah back on cat uh good thinking with the hot sauce to buy that time for an escape save

[00:45:28] Raul and get out of there away from window and wild because they were not happy with him uh raising the elliott's without their uh no because that ties into a whole thing with

[00:45:42] window and wild that we'll get to there's a reason for that yeah so that was was good there uh and then with the the mark caught in this swearing of allegiance causing more and more problems

[00:45:57] um sister heli is there to kind of help her and take her back to the school which i was like all of these tools of demonology in a catholic school girls

[00:46:06] seems a bit odd catholic girl's school basement i was like it does seem odd then i was like i guess it's not as crazy as a regular school the fact that it's a catholic school i guess makes it

[00:46:15] make a little more sense it kind of tracks um because there are sects of like Catholicism and stuff that are really into demonology and like the other like occult side of things it's

[00:46:25] it's interesting yeah um i thought they were an unusual uh number of demons in this catholic school in jars but he used a little bit oh we'll get oh my god so crazy this demon allegiance is a problem uh heli blood bonds with her to help her

[00:46:49] through that and i was wondering is like you know is she gonna grow because then we learned that heli is also a hell maiden or was and it's oh is cat gonna grow and have like

[00:46:59] the powers and stuff we learned cats eventual power is as a hell maiden is this foresight being able to see the future and change the future based on what you see so there's the powers are different

[00:47:11] for different hell maidens because sister heli's is this like like slithering hell smoke that she can just travel quickly and kind of slither around which was cool it was very sus at first i was

[00:47:22] like i don't think i trust her but then you realize you know and voice oh my god sister heli voice by the amazing angela bass i mean come on they did have some great voice actors in this yes um i mean

[00:47:38] we didn't mean to like vang reims is belzer yes yes okay absolutely and fricking james hong had a very like a small ish part in this um as father level bests level bests what on earth is

[00:47:58] but he was great he was like immediately you're like oh yeah uh so amazing yeah but that scene was definitely that i'm about to talk about as maybe my favorite of the movie as

[00:48:13] far as like emotional and like here's the stuff that kids need and it's the important things is that bloodbond kind of moment where sister heli takes cat in and like you're going to lose yourself to

[00:48:30] this fever as manberg is calling it unless basically what she has to do is face her inner demons so to speak by facing her past her regrets her fears and learn to take control of them instead of letting

[00:48:44] them control her yes which was a very important message there and then i liked especially the way they ended it was not only she tear this machine down this thing this creature and take control of it

[00:48:56] but then at the end she forgives it and embraces it and brings it back into part of her and it's like you can't get rid of your past you can't get rid of your mistakes

[00:49:06] but you accept them and then you make them part of who you are and you grow from it and i thought that was powerful that was incredibly powerful because it showed that while something traumatic can

[00:49:20] sometimes make you feel like you're underwater you can get past it and accept that it's part of you but it doesn't have to rule who you are it doesn't have to make you be that way all the time

[00:49:36] you don't have to be scared you don't have to live in that world you can embrace it and bring it into you and move on yeah and i think that's this amazing advice especially for kids who are

[00:49:50] going through so much at 13 14 years old it's just it's so hard to navigate all of that i think it was a pretty special moment her embracing her inner demon at the end really got me too i felt like

[00:50:12] man she's tearing it down and then she forgives it oh wow i feel like that entire scene needs to be like cut out and shown in schools yeah or at least in therapy like i feel like it's so helpful

[00:50:33] yeah i love that that was probably said thematically my favorite part of the movie is just like that's the message one of the messages there's a few but that was a really good one uh

[00:50:44] i think let's see next note again we should go back to the music because i always like talked about it again delroy is a classic punk and scombins in 70s and 80s uh to where even he's

[00:50:53] introducing rawl to it oh i love seeing rawl jamming out to that death record yeah he uh he got a bit distracted from from things he should have been paying attention to but i do get it that

[00:51:08] sometimes the music overtakes you and you can't you just go into a zone i guess um and i think you know that's that's okay music can be an escape it can be comfort it can be so many things

[00:51:23] yeah uh but this yeah so rawl is a little distracted because i mean hey death is a great band incredible uh so jam out but yeah because of that uh wilma and delroy are taken but then

[00:51:39] what follows after that i thought was an interesting choice is like the rescue of delroy and wilma was very anti-climactic but that's okay it really showed that like windel and wild were not that

[00:51:53] bright or tough at all like it was almost like the demons are a lot scarier to a child than what they really are like yes kids tend to yeah things up and it's like that bogey man for a

[00:52:05] kid like you think it's a terrible thing but then when you get and it is to them yeah that's the thing is it's not like they're overreacting i don't want to make it sound like no like oh kids are

[00:52:15] overreacting no no because where they're at like the smaller things are yes major to them and it's not that they're overblowing it it's that smaller things are that big of a deal to them and that

[00:52:27] important and they need to be treated as big problems because they are to them because in their window of life and what they have like the small problems are the bigger biggest problems they've

[00:52:38] faced in their short life and it's still a big deal and they grow as you grow it's like do you ever remember being little and you go somewhere and you think things are just so so big

[00:52:50] and then you grow up and you go back to see those things and they're all so much smaller i think it's like that with things that you're scared of as a kid or things that

[00:53:00] frighten you you look at them later and you're kind of like oh why was i scared of that it's because when you're little so much is scary yeah and it's like it's valid so that's something

[00:53:18] you like that when i work with kids is like i try to learn so i'm making that's like a little teaching moment i'm throwing in here but just what i've experienced is you know i think

[00:53:27] some people and they're not they don't mean to do it in a bad way or a mean way but like a lot of people tend to kind of write things off and go oh it's really not that big of a deal this kid will

[00:53:35] get over it just brush it off move on and it's like no sometimes you need to meet them at their level and go yes it sucks like i get it like to me this might not seem like that big of a problem

[00:53:46] but to you it's it's really crushing you right now so let's work through it let's figure it out like yeah your problems might seem small to me but they're valid and they're big to you and

[00:53:56] let's deal with that exactly you have to get to their level you have to figure out not why they're giving you a hard time why are they having a hard time what's going on what's the root of what's

[00:54:07] happening and this movie captured so much of those little things like addressing those little things yeah and i really appreciated that and i go back to something and i can't even remember if we

[00:54:21] talked about it before or if we've talked about it on the podcast but i think this would be a movie that kids in the you know 12 to 14 range should totally watch and maybe at home with their parents

[00:54:34] like be at home with their parents and watch this movie because it addresses a bunch of different things that may help them have these conversations with their parents yeah and then of course

[00:54:49] they had to throw in a good bit of humor in that scenario i do love the you know i thought you you know the way that cat was talking about her demons is like i thought you guys would be taller

[00:54:57] and i love jordan peels as while you know his response that he's like i am taller and he's wearing cats boots which oh it's hilarious and then when cat shows up and dispatches them so easily

[00:55:09] she was like why were you doing this they're like why would you do that and he's like they were my size and it's like not the boots i thought that was really funny those

[00:55:17] boots were pretty amazing yeah those were stylish boots i'm glad that she got them back because i loved at the beginning of the movie when she is given her uniform and she goes in and she just

[00:55:31] cuts up the skirt and puts the safety pins on it and then puts on her boots and she's just making it hers yeah and i appreciated that so much it's like okay yes good be you cat

[00:55:45] be you it's so important i think for kids to get that message too that it's okay to be an individual yes uh and i guess we get to and i'm again skipping over a lot of like the deal with

[00:55:58] window and wild and the the klaxons and stuff but we'll talk about those but it culminates of course with a bigger battle with the bulldozer zombies as i call it that was so fun set to what

[00:56:10] a great song tv on the radio um love that song well it's a great band i've actually seen them live you have yes they're really fun um great band which yeah again as i mentioned like the soundtrack

[00:56:25] is just lots of great alternative and punk bands and stuff that are consisting of black artists uh between you know the specials tv on the radio living color death fishbone hot chocolate big jony

[00:56:36] all of them are all in here you know like it's uh it's a potpourri of music amazingness basically it just fits it all sounds like it's like a thread where there's just some part of it that

[00:56:51] sounds similar so it connects yeah uh yeah and with that fight you know she has people behind her she has window and wild she has the help of belzer she has sister heli and she's got chauvin and she's

[00:57:11] got all these you know that she's got these people to lean on that help fight back and she sees that future change she gets that other like vision that flash of the future changing

[00:57:21] where you know raul's got the the brewery workers it was witnesses that he's able to raise and the soul jockeys come in and take out the zombies and there's these soul jockeys yeah uh and things

[00:57:33] three other things turn around uh the clack sins are arrested and taken behind bars this the town she gets to see this uh you know vision again the town is going to come back stronger than ever people are returning the brewery has rebuilt the businesses come back together

[00:57:48] and it's it's great i really i think i really loved this movie more i wasn't expecting it when i started i was like this will be different this is interesting kind of dark kind of creepy but like

[00:57:58] we'll see where it goes and by the end i'm just like i really like it i know i feel i feel like that with some of the animated films that we've covered on this podcast that i've gone into it

[00:58:11] thinking okay i'm watching a cartoon but i've ended up coming out of it feeling different just something about each one touches me in a way that i didn't expect and this one

[00:58:26] as like even in the first 10 to 15 minutes i was like oh my gosh i'm all in there are just things about this movie that have pulled me in right from the beginning and so i'm excited

[00:58:37] to see where it goes yeah and also windle and wilds dream fair that they keep talking about the whole movie turns out to actually seem like it's going to be a pretty amazing afterlife destination

[00:58:48] you're like everybody's kind of like oh wow like yeah you guys aren't as much idiots as we thought like they they're actually good at designing an like afterlife theme park yeah i think

[00:59:00] having belzer their dad be kind of on board with it at the end because he destroyed the this is a regular one that did not seem like a fun experience maybe this one will be better

[00:59:14] yeah at first though because i was like hey of the scream fair which was his because it's the dream fair is what they build after but yeah belzer's scream fair i was like i mean

[00:59:22] the first thing we got was freaking you know the was the specials ghost town playing i'm like what can't be a bad place if they're blaring the specials i'm in like i don't know it seemed

[00:59:32] really scary like things yeah it was a bit extreme yeah so yeah so that's really all that i have on on cat as the main thing but definitely other characters to throw in a couple little thoughts

[00:59:50] we've covered everything that i had so where do you want to head next do you want to hit wendlin wild yeah i think so that now we can go to the title of the movie and now i can tell you

[01:00:02] i could not understand what on earth with the hair plant planting they were doing what on earth they were doing like what i i didn't get it until it all zoomed out and it was like oh my god

[01:00:14] they're planting hair in his head and it never stays but you don't realize that at the time yeah but it doesn't stay the hair cream was not a permanent solution to a situation it ran out

[01:00:30] yeah but it was it was their punishment for for you know going against their father's wishes and wanting to build their own dream fair and all of these things and you know as we learn like

[01:00:44] we think belzer is just this huge like evil figure and really it's like he's just sad because all of his kids are gone they all left him and he doesn't know where they went i know

[01:00:53] and and it's ridiculous because you're trying to find a bad guy like because when i start watching movies like this i'm looking for who's the bad guy who's the bad guy and you think it might be

[01:01:02] him at first but partway through i realized the klaxons were the bad guys and and i didn't realize the fact that buffalo belzer was his name buffalo belzer okay yeah i had to laugh

[01:01:23] and i realized that he really he wasn't super scary and then i when we found out about his kids missing and it all came full circle it's like he's just a dad he's just missing his kids he

[01:01:40] doesn't know where they are he's just a he's just a big old like arch demon who misses his family yeah he only has probably the nitwits of the family left with wendell and wild who okay key and peel

[01:01:57] i yeah just to see them together again as these demon brothers and i love that the character models the like the puppets or whatever the stop motion like things look like they was on purpose physically

[01:02:12] yeah like they made actually modeled them after jordan peel and keegan michael key i was like that's i love it i found it funny because i found out that they they actually watched hours of abbott and castello to prepare for this i'm like haven't you worked

[01:02:30] together enough to be able to do this but i guess it's just that these characters are just very different but it was for them to like yeah channel kind of like a different type of comedy yeah

[01:02:39] yeah but he was perfection i loved it i thought they were great together they always are i've never seen them in anything i've never seen it at all you got to brush up on your key and

[01:02:50] peel i don't you know what imagine the list of things i have to watch is like yours i mean i may never get there there are priorities but yeah planting hair and tripping on hallucinogenic hair cream

[01:03:09] oh my god and the tick that they kept killing and bringing back to life i'm like why are we doing this and then he put it down in his pants that i was like why are you

[01:03:20] doing that and it all made sense later because gotta have a place to store the snacks for the soul jockeys i love the soul jockeys i couldn't figure out what on earth they looked like or what

[01:03:32] they just were like birds but for some reason i thought they were horses too like it was just weird and then they didn't want to kill the creature that was pulling their cart because

[01:03:44] like a did they it was a tardigrade did they have a tardigrade and then they strapped like mechanical legs on it like i don't know so they're like oh we can't that's what it looked like to me

[01:03:55] we can't test it on that because what if he doesn't come back and we'll miss him and oh like okay they do have hearts in there right yeah i was just like well they're too nervous to

[01:04:06] like use that as the test subject sparking so it's yeah well we'll wait till we get up to the top and then we'll use it on the parrot so then maybe our promise won't be a lie i don't know we'll see

[01:04:19] and then it's like then they come up with like what a hook for a for an amusement park is bringing the dead back to life like that we can make some money with that of course

[01:04:30] uh they realize after bringing back father bests that they hit a bad market uh there's nobody here for you to to profit off of and open this amusement park and get that money for until he remembers

[01:04:44] actually the klaxons might be able to use a couple revivifications revivifications um just a few of the council members yeah who look like they were out of like the 1800s or

[01:04:57] right i'm like yeah so yeah i love that they when they when they head up or even before but then when they get up there that they have this whole like snake oil salesman vibe to them which

[01:05:08] was hilarious well they had that weird cart that they wrote yeah to get up get there and then it's the view that we got of them getting there was just like is this an air on the way up they

[01:05:22] you know i'm only up they took a wrong turn at albuquerque and wound up in a different spot and they couldn't find cat they were just they were looking for they couldn't find her

[01:05:35] i mean they i mean they were clever in some ways but they also were knit wits in other ways like the way that they were yeah i just uh came feel together great and then when bellzer makes

[01:05:48] his appearance i was like oh no it's sam pock oh no never mind it's bellzer thank heavens for that it's like who's making their entrance i know this music oh bellzer thank goodness um

[01:06:07] which again he was less of a threat than expected we talked about that a little bit but all he needed was just to be reminded that he was a parent and then be reunited with his

[01:06:16] children thanks to manberg and then he reveals that the the effects of the cream won't last forever promotes his his sons to fair designers and then just bounces on back to the underworld

[01:06:28] that's all he really gets to do there oh bellzer i realized there was one thing i wanted to bring up about cat that i thought was something worth mentioning but if we can also talk about it

[01:06:42] when we talk if we talk about her parents at the end but i think uh or maybe i'll just say it now i thought yeah you can't cuz yeah i thought it was interesting that at the end she's kind of

[01:06:55] looking ahead and giving her parents kind of a view of what happens in the community you know in the future so that they could kind of make peace yeah as they moved back to the afterlife

[01:07:10] at least they got a really dope dream fair to go with yeah they got vip full access i know eternity so that's pretty cool and they did i mean the dream fair looked infinitely more fun than that

[01:07:23] screen fair yeah oh yeah i know i think i'll take the dream fair instead you don't want to hang out with screen fair daddy no i don't uh so yes that's really all i've got even just wendling wild as far as that stuff i mean yeah we

[01:07:43] we didn't talk about a lot like they're deal with the klaxons on just raising the the members of the council the old guard council so that they can get the votes to pass the prison through and

[01:07:57] make sure don't raise anybody else because there's way too many people that we killed that could speak out against us basically which is why they didn't want to bring back cats parents

[01:08:08] but i think too the council recognizing them as alive is a bit of a stretch because despite the fact of them standing there i don't know that they could have been considered living things great

[01:08:26] so so are we moving on to my favorite character in this movie next uh we could i think that's what's next online excellent yeah i don't have a lot to say that i haven't already said i know we've said

[01:08:44] so much uh raul yes loved the character of raul uh which the first time we see him like immediately seems very interested in cat not like in a romantic way but just friendship and like wanting to

[01:08:56] know somebody who's so unique and yes like really keeps an eye on her and then when she comes into the class like a little like scared or nervous but then kind of this vibe was like actually like

[01:09:08] you're really cool like yeah just wants to be friends and then cat's constantly telling him like we're not you're not my friend you're not my friend and he still sticks around but i liked

[01:09:18] that he was willing to accept her for being different like right away he was intrigued by instead of thinking well your difference you're bad or you're different so i can't like you and then we learn just you know raul himself is different yeah from everyone

[01:09:37] it's very much like right off the top because the second that he introduces himself as raul you're like well this is a quote unquote girls school and you know i just think about like those kind of

[01:09:49] you know traditions and things that are within society and so like immediately i was just like oh this is cool like there's just a like basic like they don't make a big deal out of it there are

[01:09:59] moments where like his mother is like on the phone with somebody and has to like double is like no i said son like there are those moments that are like he's got a good support system his mom was

[01:10:08] incredible his mom was amazing and they'll say but yeah but i just loved this inclusion of a trans character in the movie that was just like and he's just very core to this movie and not because

[01:10:19] he's trans but because he's an incredible person an incredible character who's able to be there and the voice actor sam zalaya is i looked into some other stuff and like he had a lot of really great

[01:10:31] things to say like some articles and interviews and stuff about the opportunity to represent by being in this film and i thought it was just really cool yeah i like that they cast someone

[01:10:43] they make it authentic by casting someone who is trans to voice this role and again like you said they didn't make a big deal of it nobody made a big deal of it we get one picture of

[01:10:59] raul who was ramona was her name um with swede slone and shivan yeah there's a moment was like i'm gonna have to reach to this screen and start punching a fictional

[01:11:14] character because shivan calls him ramona at one point and i'm like oh i gotta come slap a bitch but then like she immediately like cycles back and it's like i meant raul i'm sorry i i'm still

[01:11:27] getting used to it i'm like so she's still like she's trying and that's what at the end of the day like that's what's important trying trying yeah no one is going to be perfect all the time

[01:11:37] no one yeah can be perfect all the time as long as you're trying and acknowledge when you screw up that's all you can do you know and again role wasn't part of the they weren't a foursome anymore

[01:11:55] but they weren't mean to him yeah they were just not close like they were before and i also we also don't know how long it has been since he decided that he was a he right um

[01:12:15] which by the way just random like soapbox snarky moment i'm like if the evil corporate people and the demons and the evil priest can all get his gender identity correct then you can do that

[01:12:27] to other people too the most evil evil evil characters in this movie are good about it then then people do right um exactly i mean don't be worse than the most evil characters imaginable in

[01:12:40] this movie no respect people's identities oh my god i mean don't be shitty so we yeah so i guess what i'm saying is we didn't we don't know how long it's been that they've been adjusting to this

[01:12:53] change because it's a change for them too like not as big of a change as it is for Raul but it's just an adjustment and it takes time yeah but just as a character like so i i liked Raul

[01:13:09] i like that kid Raul looks great he's just he's creative and smart and caring and then we see you know his mother is investigating the brewery fire trying to prove that the clackings were behind it and needs the witness and then Raul's the one that's able to deliver

[01:13:23] those witnesses to his mother and that was just it was great he's a great witness which again kind of called back within there that i mean cat is the one that like grabs him is just like i need

[01:13:33] a witness for this like summoning and you're you're it well he's willing to to make the big moves he's the one that's willing to bring her parents back when Wendell and Wilde had reneged on their promise like he's willing to go the extra mile to do

[01:13:53] what's right for his friends even if cats as they're not friends so yeah i love the line when they're back at the school and cats like they lied to me they didn't bring my pet and Raul just goes well maybe demons aren't the most trustworthy creatures

[01:14:08] to make a deal with i'm like that's a very good point yeah i appreciated that as well the voice of reason that we all need yeah there's all you know and it was his artwork that brought bellzer around too so that artwork was beautiful what he

[01:14:28] was doing with painting on the rooftops yeah oh and it basically was his mom is like a Mayan princess or queen or i mean warrior just i mean that was just incredible fighting off the two-headed

[01:14:44] klaxon dragon herself while defending yeah it was exactly it's cool so like poetic yeah loved it yeah that's um that's all i have i've got a few other sections that well that's all that's all i

[01:15:01] have for Raul yes yeah okay yeah because i've got like i have two more like character sections one that i just kind of have school people mainly sister heli and and father bests and some of the

[01:15:14] stuff going on there that i could run through quickly and then a couple more notes on like the klaxons and what's going on there um so yeah uh the school people so i think we've talked about

[01:15:24] most of them james hong uh there are some very small very round nuns oh my goodness i couldn't decide if they creep me out or if they were supposed to be pets sister daily and sister

[01:15:43] chin strap is what they're creditors oh my god they were so bizarre but i couldn't decide like i said i just couldn't decide if i was supposed to think they were you know pets or i don't know he

[01:15:56] called them at one time penguins and i thought maybe that's just like his term for the sisters i don't know yeah the black and white yeah uh then sister heli brings in the mimic octopus which

[01:16:12] i got very excited about because for like a very long time i've been obsessed with mimic octopus like really i it's one of my favorite creatures of all time like it's just so cool

[01:16:25] i've watched so many videos on youtube and it was cool because the movie showed like actual things that like mimic octopus like they're like some of the best stuff that they do is

[01:16:37] like a sea snake or the lionfish or kind of like they'll like kind of look like a crab that can like walk around like they like it showed for like the like things that they're really good

[01:16:48] at doing i was like that's actually very like spot on that's really cool and it made me think and the fact that you know that yeah yeah i'm i'm a nerd about that i i'm obsessed with

[01:16:59] the mimic octopus and then it made me go down a little rabbit hole where i had to pause my like the movie and go on like okay no more prep for a second i go on this rabbit hole i was like

[01:17:07] is there an aquarium somewhere in the united states that has one and i couldn't find anything but now it's a new goal of mine to see one in i mean the wild would be awesome but probably never

[01:17:18] but like even just in captivity but just to see a mimic octopus i think would be incredible i just have to find somewhere that uh has one i don't know how but i'm gonna find a way

[01:17:33] let's see like sister heli stuff again like and things get answered because i just kind of take these notes as i'm watching because it's like oh she knows that the mark means something that's

[01:17:42] interesting it's like okay well she was a uh a hell maiden herself i thought it was like they took a long time setting up the mysteries that just made me like really stay on the hook

[01:17:54] or like when is the reveal of this gonna come like even like manberg where he's just like sister heli is a thief and you know you should have returned it now we'll both be in the dark and

[01:18:02] i'm like what is going on what is going on um and i wonder did they call her sister heli because she is a hell maiden like is that what she picked for her name because i know that some nuns they pick

[01:18:15] part of their name um and i wasn't sure if i was supposed to trust her or not and it made me nervous yeah i was very sus of her for a lot of the movie until we get the reveal of exactly what she

[01:18:28] was and was like oh she's good um i loved after father best comes back from the dead and shows back up at school the next day and his reports of my death were greatly exaggerated

[01:18:40] and he cracks himself up and i was like that is an incredible mark twain reference and i love it so much uh i had a feeling that you would have been all over that yeah i love that let's see yeah uh

[01:18:54] i guess i was still put to like manberg was a demon hunter that like yeah with with a hell maiden and then she decided she didn't like the way things were going with that like it's again

[01:19:07] it's weird she's like a nun but she has like almost a positive connection to demons in some ways so like she doesn't like the methods of this demon hunter so she takes his bear so he

[01:19:16] can't track down demons anymore and leaves uh yeah i didn't understand that at first but then it all like came together and so was understand like so that i could think i got it after you know

[01:19:33] and then of course father best like again i think at the end of the day he was just as greedy and selfish as as anybody else but it's like yeah he's not as smart either like he shows back up

[01:19:44] to the klaxons like so you're really gonna trust the people who murdered you over a deal to make another deal with you okay sure uh it does not make sense yeah uh bermgard klaxon just looked like a cross between the other mother and cruel a devil

[01:20:05] like she just was she had those eyes that were like she hadn't slept in months and her hair was out of control and her husband would just seem more laid back as far as like he was not he didn't

[01:20:19] look as great like crazed in his appearance um the two of them uh once i love it with the at the end when they're getting arrested he tries to throw her under the bus like she was the one that did

[01:20:33] all the murders i was just there and then her response to that is to like try to like choke strangling him with the handcuffs and it's like okay maybe he was right it's too pay flies off it's just

[01:20:44] perfect it's so perfect he resembled someone for me and absolutely yeah i think that was on purpose yeah thank you so much yeah for that sir director yes yeah henry sellick i appreciate it

[01:21:02] yeah those are the only like notes really i have left is is klaxon stuff which went when when father best looks the fun he goes oh the klaxon is like klaxons are calling and i was

[01:21:11] like oh really are they gonna play a show because they're pretty great and i was like oh not the band klaxons damn oh there is a band named klaxon there's a band called klaxons and they're incredible

[01:21:20] oh my gosh and i was like oh i haven't thought about klaxons in forever they're really and then i was like oh no no not the band no they definitely are not the piece of music that didn't

[01:21:30] no they're not i'll have to show you some klaxons music okay because i've never i've never even heard them yeah it was like it was a callback i hadn't thought about them in years oh yeah um yeah and

[01:21:43] then we learned that klaxons are very very evil but also they're shavons parents uh yeah a shavon is nothing like them no thank god not at all um yeah and so they they murdered father best because

[01:21:58] he like i was trying to fit it was like because he took in cat and then it was like mocking their efforts but it was really like he was just no use to them anymore like he's like well okay now

[01:22:07] your usefulness is up so we're getting rid of you too much yeah because you also have dirt on us so like yeah because it was the way that he reminded them he was like hey i vouched for you in the

[01:22:16] brewery fire basically admitting like i know what you did but i don't didn't tell anyone and so they're like oh okay well we'll make sure that you can't now yeah imagine they did not have

[01:22:28] hair cream resuscitation on their bingo card for the year no so um interesting thing do you remember a black mirror episode metalhead yeah okay so the actress maxine peak um voiced erm guard nice

[01:22:48] uh claxon and i've recognized her the name so i had to go look it's like oh yeah i saw her in a couple of different things on british tv and then it's like oh yes she was she was in metalhead

[01:23:01] i remember that the little dogs yeah yeah uh see there's any other notes they say yeah because rawls mother we talked about needing a witness to pin the fire on them and then the only one

[01:23:15] only witness that i knew of they just killed with the father but uh yep it gets gets brought back around uh literal corporate zombies i mentioned that which was fun uh and then when they show up to like put

[01:23:25] in their votes and the salute making the arm fly off and oh my god that was a funny visual gag that i appreciate it yeah um and then yeah my my big one that i mentioned kind of early off uh

[01:23:40] the sentiment of this movie a really big also theme of it that's an underlying uh that i fully agree with i was like for it was like yes psa fuck private prisons um yeah and this movie kind of played

[01:23:53] as a real shining light on that very very real school to prison pipeline problem in this country that we've talked about earlier yeah it's a huge which is a much bigger issue and real evil than

[01:24:04] then things like demons and stuff that this movie also uses to show that point but like yeah like that's like the real evil that this movie is really pointing out is this capitalist like private prison

[01:24:15] kind of thing that they were a lot of look into that because i i love orange is the new black and there's like a whole like season or two where they really focused on the whole privatized prison

[01:24:23] like storyline stuff in it that was the first time my eyes had really been opened up to that and i was like wait that's a real thing people i was like that's fucked it is so yeah it is yeah i

[01:24:36] it's just and i lost my thought i don't know where it went that happened sometimes yeah um yeah it's horror it's horrifying if you think about it and we can't i feel like this movie was filled with metaphors it was filled with different callouts and shoutouts to

[01:25:02] different things and a lot of representation it wasn't just okay these are the demons or okay this is belzer they represented something bigger yeah in the world and in the country so

[01:25:17] i think you have to look at this movie you almost have to watch it twice you have to watch it through the first time to recognize everything and then watch it through a second

[01:25:26] time to really get the message about some of the parts that um i think they were trying to get across uh three other little notes uh shivan again i loved seeing kind of the switch in her where i was

[01:25:41] like yes be the rebel you need to be uh work because she like does the research like after talking to cat like she like goes to her parents and is like no i saw what you're actually doing

[01:25:52] and it was like it was that scene again with that like oh the private prisons where she spells out what's going on like you said there's a lot of metaphors but in this instance it was like on

[01:26:00] the it was real yeah literally exactly what is happening in our country right now with a lot of these things where she's like oh so you cram all these people in give them terrible like cheap

[01:26:10] food terrible food no living space and it's also you can save money and make money off of them like she spells out what it is and instead of being like oh my god you found out our terrible

[01:26:18] thing no they're like oh you get it yeah it's like you see how smart are we you know and promise me you'll come well and i loved her like i'll be there like yeah i was like yes yes i think i too looking at

[01:26:32] kids breaking away and not just supporting blindly what their parents are doing was another thing that i think yeah you know having an identity and i think when kids get to be teenagers they start to

[01:26:47] try to figure out who they are and some kids have trouble breaking away from what their parents beliefs are or what you know or how they fit into the world and i think this movie kind of

[01:27:05] shows that it's okay you know to be different and it's okay to realize that maybe what you're thinking doesn't have to match up with things and then last two notes are just really small little like things

[01:27:19] i noticed that were fun uh at the end there with like the bulldozers and like that whole you know pickets and stuff that of course the governor that goes into introduce the whole thing governor governor bribes which how deliciously on the nose uh

[01:27:36] incredible and and then lastly the note is i love that the elderly council women knitted their own picket sign i thought that was amazing of course they were working on it

[01:27:45] as soon as they all came in and voted it down they were like we've been trying to defeat you for years we have to keep i felt like they were the last like they were the last stand

[01:27:57] they were the ones that had to continue to be they stayed in the community to continue to fight the good fight to stop the clack since i don't know pick i think we did it

[01:28:10] yeah i said that's that's all the notes i've got on it yeah it was yeah there was one more thing actually um so they dedicated this this movie to mark musimachi who is an electricity consultant

[01:28:28] who worked on almost all of selix films starting way back with the nightmare before christmas like all of that and they dedicated that to him because he passed away oh that's nice and not

[01:28:43] that he passed away but that they dedicated yeah yeah it's good so yeah um i can't just kind of looking for like it was funny because this week was just like with with where we're again the inside baseball

[01:28:56] things like our recording schedule versus when release things like we're recording this the week of fourth of july like it's a holiday week and so it's like oh we'll do something light

[01:29:06] animate a movie and then it's like oh we of course as has usually been and we pick an animate a movie and it turns out to be chock full of all kinds of like i said you know social

[01:29:15] and political themes that we can really break down and talk for over an hour and a half about but i like that because i like when a movie surprises me yes yeah and i knew when i got halfway through

[01:29:27] it's like this is not going to be the quick little episode that we thought it was going to be this is going to be one of our good deep discussions yeah which i was so i'm so excited

[01:29:38] about so into it yeah this was great love that there goes the feedback phone which perfect timing like hopefully listeners and stuff had some thoughts about this one as well oh yeah

[01:29:52] there we go all right we do have one piece of feedback this week from the ever wonderful kathryn definitely coming through watching all the movies giving us his thoughts we love that so she says about this one here this week whew those first three minutes were intense

[01:30:10] the trauma of seeing that still broken guardrail immediately made me understand how much cat was still hurting i loved how they balanced that sadness with gabby the goat bears above and windolin wild with their hallucinogenic hair cream it also resurrects the dead between the

[01:30:24] amazing stop motion animation and the plot that hit on everything from fixing elections to private prisons i definitely need to watch this one again yeah it's it's a really great summation kathryn that yeah it covers so much while still being funny and goofy it's it's very deep and

[01:30:43] yeah it's it's a good one i'm glad that we we watched this i probably i don't know i probably would have just stayed on the outskirts of my radar forever if it wasn't for this podcast

[01:30:52] we get to watch a lot of fun stuff but i take time to do so yeah we find special gems like that we definitely do and we always joke about if you ever want to get to certain movies just start a

[01:31:05] podcast about them because that's when you'll be sure to watch them like right away you'll get them to the top of the list well if you'd like to submit feedback like kathryn you can do so by

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[01:32:08] series finale conversation just kind of looking back on all things sweet tooth the journey we've been on and covering that finale and talking about all that it it gave us and yeah it was it was

[01:32:22] emotional but it was fun it was great a lot of good stuff over there uh so yeah if you're a sweet tooth fan go check that out for sure and then me and rima will be on another little break while

[01:32:32] we find what we're gonna do next we did talk a little bit about it on that episode at the end as far as some stuff that's coming up in the future that we're interested in and excited

[01:32:42] about so stay tuned for that but yeah sweet tooth coverage is done and a little sad but also happy that it happened it was such a great series and i love that i was able to listen to your episodes every

[01:33:00] week i don't usually go week to week with tv series but i really tried with this one it was it was special it was a great show um yeah aside from that lots of other great

[01:33:13] podcast stuff of course for everybody to check out with the cast of us still continuing their walking dead rewatch this week doing season three episode five say the word uh lucy is on

[01:33:26] a bit of a vacation right now so jim got to jump in and join jason for that one so definitely check that out jim's fun i've podcasted with him on some uh uh patreon stuff before and he's

[01:33:38] he's really cool so definitely check that out also ben and christin over on the revisited podcast are back to their coverage of ted lasso as they are getting close to wrapping that up

[01:33:51] they're doing season three episode nine this week so getting very close and then they'll start their rewatch coverage of the good place soon revisit that one after they're done with ted lasso but

[01:34:03] man they still got quite the uh ted lasso finale come up soon enough so lots of good stuff for them to cover over there definitely check that out also we haven't heard from

[01:34:14] alex and lizzie on the what is from podcast in just a little bit but they've got a big episode up this week as with all the comic con stuff and everything going on from has officially

[01:34:25] announced the date for season three that is coming so they've got the trailer the date comic con goodies all of that stuff that they get to break down and talk about and get excited for

[01:34:35] as from season three is on the horizon so if you want all that information and hear their thoughts on that definitely check out what is from on podcast as well we got still slaying the buffy podcast covering season three episode 21 graduation day part one so definitely check that

[01:34:54] out your buffy fan are working through that stuff breakneck speed just covering all the great shows and of course with new shows cobra kai is back for its final season doing their kind of three

[01:35:08] part breakup over the next year or six months or so and uh yeah so this first five of the last season is out now and rima jason richard have been covering that so episode two is out now and then

[01:35:21] they will be releasing they just recorded episode three this week so it might be up by the time you're hearing this so definitely check that out cover kai has been really really interesting

[01:35:31] this season this this first batch of episodes has me excited to see what all they can pull in and what they're going to do with this final season to always give our love over to our

[01:35:40] friends over at tv podcast industries who have finished up their coverage of the boys and now they've got an episode up this week where they went ahead went back because of all the boys and

[01:35:49] stuff going on they were too busy to cover week to week but they did whole season and won all eight episodes of the star wars series the acolyte they just dropped their episode this week covering that

[01:35:59] talk you know all their thoughts on that series or at least the first season maybe as a whole so if you're a star wars fan and watch the acolyte definitely check out Derek, John and Chris over there talking about that season.

[01:36:14] But yeah that's about it in the other realm of stuff other than you know next week here on Run For Your Lives or if you just need a little bit extra me and Daphne you can

[01:36:23] check in with our friends Jeff and Jerry along the side of the two of us as well with the Buffalo Buffalo podcast that's been going really fun we've been having a blast

[01:36:31] with that just being real silly so you can always check that out for a good quick 30 minute laugh but yeah but coming back here for Run For Your Lives next week we got something really fun

[01:36:40] for you Daphne what do we got? Well when a band of kidnappers get more than they bargain for hats start rolling in the creepy house they're hiding out in we are covering the 2024 film

[01:36:53] Abigail that was directed by Matt Betinelli Open and Tyler Gillette. Yes which uh we you know if that's if those names maybe sound familiar to you a little bit that is the same directing team

[01:37:06] behind Ready or Not which we had so much fun with so it's very much in the vein of that very comedy horror kind of movie that was definitely a blast so we highly recommend you go checking that out

[01:37:20] and then coming back next week listen to our coverage on that give us your thoughts we want some feedback for that one too it's going to be a blast. Yeah those directors I've just been

[01:37:30] watching and waiting for them to come out with something else so really glad we could jump into this one. Yeah. With that we've reached the end of our episode thanks for listening I'm Daphne

[01:37:43] and I'm Paik and if you have to run you better run for your lives. Bye bye.