Run For Your Lives Podcast Episode 182: Night Swim

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey everyone, welcome to the show. I'm Daphne. And I'm Pake. And this is the Run For Your Lives

[00:00:40] [SPEAKER_00]: This episode, I don't know why we're bringing this energy into it. I'm just making you act and I'm just like...

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. Should we redo it?

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_00]: No. We'll just go in with an interesting energy. You know what? Buffalo Buffalo is running and maybe that bleeds over the weird energy sometimes.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. It even bled into like my Strange Indeed stuff last week or a couple of weeks ago when this is out, whatever.

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_00]: So you know what? It's fine.

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_02]: You were sassy. You and Rima, you were in a place, I think. It was fun to listen to because it was just a little bit different.

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh okay. This is a different sound but it's still fun so it works.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, this episode of Run For Your Lives. We were talking about the supernatural horror film Night Swim written and directed by Bryce McGuire.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Released January 5th 2024 through Blumhouse Productions. Kind of why I picked it. This was my week to kind of pick a movie.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Aside from some other little connections and cast things, really it's just like we've been giving some flowers to Blumhouse lately.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_00]: We've always kind of said their hit or miss for me and then lately they've been way more hits than misses.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I've started to really appreciate some of the underlying themes and stuff that they put behind their movies.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I was like, let's do some Blumhouse. I want to see what they got going on with this one that came out earlier this year.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's definitely, we'll get into a lot of things. It's not their strongest for me.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_00]: However, definitely had some great moments. There's definitely those kind of like mental and social things that are behind the scenes, those themes that they're playing with.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I like that. So definitely stuff to talk about which little tangent because I think I mentioned it maybe last week or something that Mike Flanagan podcast.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I've listened to it and it's cool because it's like it's director's commentary with Mike Flanagan.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And the point of the podcast is you play it literally as a track alongside while you're watching whatever movie.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And so it is a live reaction of Mike Flanagan and the director or directors of the movie he's covering that week.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Watching the movie in real time and you play it along, you sync up your movie, watching the movie with them.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's like a director's commentary track.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And of course they had the guys from Ready or Not because it was Ready or Not that he did.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was cool. So they even said something about that as like, you know, horror is what you make it.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I remember picking that up from watching that listening to that this last week.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Where it's like you can take away so many different things because people will just, you know, write off horror movies is like, oh, it's scary and people die in blood and guts, whatever.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's like there's the mental aspect of what are the hardships? What are the human emotions?

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_00]: What are the mental things? What are the hard or what are the human and social things?

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_00]: What human stories we're trying to tell and like Ready or Not, we've covered it.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So you know, was about breaking generational trauma and generational curses and generational cycles.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_00]: That was really what they were the behind the scenes.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And even those directors were like, if you pick up on that stuff and you really focus on it, then you have that experience.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_00]: If you don't pick up on that stuff and you just take it at face value, it's still a fun experience.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_00]: But that's what horror is able to do is convey a story behind the story.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you can tap into that, then it can be really powerful.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And we've covered some movies on this podcast that have had deeper meanings than just what you see on the surface.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And that is one of the great things about horror is it can put that into it and still give you the blood, the guts, the gore and everything else that you love about horror.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But you can have a deeper story.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think as horror movies have evolved over the last, you know, 10 to 20 years, I think the story behind things has grown a lot more.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It makes me wonder what we would have gotten like with Friday the 13th, those that story if it had been done now instead of back then.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Although we are going to be getting a TV series.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm interested in how they're going to tell that story of Jason Voorhees, but it is very interesting the way that they that it's grown over time.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And I appreciate that.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You talking about the track to play when you're watching the movie, I'd really like you and Ben to do Scott Pilgrim versus The World.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I want that track because we watched that once in a Zoom party.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that would be any good.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it would just be because you can't play the audio of the movie.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. So you sink it alongside.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. So it would literally just be me and Ben quoting the movie along with it.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_00]: That's really all it would be.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_00]: It'd be funny.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it just brings another level of funny though to go with it.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'd yeah, I think it would be fun.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I've got to check it out.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I just haven't had time yet.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm hoping next month is a little slower for me so I can help.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_00]: That was cool. So even though I usually wait till plugs at the end of stuff, but you know, as I mentioned a couple weeks ago that podcast, check it out because there's some fun stuff.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I will say my biggest takeaway other than that is the like candelabras that are in the Ladoma house and like the different rooms and the hallways.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_00]: They had six candelabras to use for the entire production.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And it looked like that entire mansion was full of them and really just have to move them between shots and scenes to make it look like they were all over the house.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Really, they had the same. So the same. It's the same six you see the whole movie no matter what room or part of the house that are in.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the same ones that were in the last scene, which is funny.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_00]: That's amazing.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of really cool production stuff like that to like I like the behind the scenes kind of open, you know, open up the curtain be like, yeah, we had a shoestring budget.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing that we pulled off what we did with nothing.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know what? I think directors get even more innovative or inventive when they're faced with not having a big budget.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. How many of those things watching that that were like the reason that this scene that people love looks and turn out the way it was is because we couldn't do it the way we wanted to originally.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. Do.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So you did it this way and it's even better because people are really into it.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. I think you have to with anything you do with any project that you do, you have to get inventive sometimes because either the budget isn't there or the time isn't there and you have to rush.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes you have to do more with less and a lot of these movies had started with very little budgets end up exceeding expectations at the box office.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Now that being said, I don't think that they should make a Marvel movie on a three million dollar budget because that's not going to work.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying they're able to make it work sometimes. Yeah.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_00]: We're speaking of that. Let's get back on track with this one Night Swim.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if this was going to take too long but definitely some fun stuff to talk about.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Get into all those of course are usual production notes and such so we'll get into that.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, here's a little information was filmed in Altadena Santa Clarita in Los Angeles, California.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Whenever I see the name Santa Clarita, all I can think of is how angry you are about Santa Clarita diet getting canned at Netflix.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Same.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the feature film directorial debut for Bryce McGuire.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It's also based on a 2014 short film, the same name that McGuire did with Rod Blackhurst.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I did watch the short film.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It's three minutes long.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It's very short.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I can see where they pulled the story from but I'm still kind of like, hmm, really?

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: They built a lot off of it.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So the first film that has been released by Blumhouse and Atomic Monster after they merged,

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_02]: they actually finished their merger three days prior to this movie's release.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's kind of interesting.

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_02]: The budget was 15 million.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: It grossed 54 million at the box office which I think is pretty good.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's pretty good.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_02]: 98 minutes long.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Paik, bring us that IMDb synopsis.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_00]: You know.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_00]: A family moves into a new home unaware that a dark secret from the house's past will unleash a malevolent force in the backyard pool.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_02]: When I started watching this, I was thinking, does he want to cover this because there's some relation to the gate?

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Is this like another haunted something?

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And he just wants to get back to find a kindred character like Terry again.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't quite have a Terry of this movie, I don't think.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: No, there was none of that.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely none of that.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_02]: One thing I wanted to point out before we delve into characters is I loved the way that they started with the reflection in the pool.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Then the camera rotated.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I liked that.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was neat just the way that they did it.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It was very cool.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Fun shots like that are always cool.

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and there were some other clever shots in the movie but if they start with something that clever, you know that thought has gone into the movie so it visually might be a lot of fun.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It was interesting.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Just like initial overall, like I said, it wasn't the biggest hit for Blumhouse and it didn't do well critically and even fans.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It was compared to a lot of their other stuff.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not the most highest rated for most people with Blumhouse stuff lately.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_00]: However, I didn't hate it.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I think overall it was an enjoyable watch as much as it could be enjoyable with just its subject matter and what it was just me personally.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It's more of a personal thing that it was just nothing but high tension and anxiety the entire time.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_00]: It was just a lot of my personal buttons that it knew how to get to me.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Like what?

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Being in the deep water?

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've already have a fear of anxiety of deep water and being underwater.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And then whenever you have the main people being in trouble being children that always heightens my anxiety.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And then there's just certain things that are just like, oh this movie is just going to make me hyperventilate the whole time.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Got it, I see what we're doing.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Cool, thanks.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So you chose a movie not knowing that it was going to make you anxious?

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I should have.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't watch trailers and stuff that much.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I remember seeing a few things when this first came out in theaters but like I don't look into stuff much.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I knew what it was.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean the name alone gives is like it has something to do with like the pool and water and I knew that that was going to be like, oh for me.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so it's I shouldn't be surprised that it was just constant anxiety and tension the whole time for me.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_00]: But it was fun.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that sounds it.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Sarcasm, okay.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh man.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a big old pool of nope.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Which situation would you like to be in?

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_02]: The movie Nope or Night Swim?

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Which one, Paik tell me?

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess nope.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Just go back to town and stay there.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess you could do that in this movie too.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Just don't go to that house.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't go to that house.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's one thing though.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean we haven't really talked about the characters yet but I did appreciate the ending actually.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciated the kids at the end and them being smart to understand different ramifications so.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll break into it now.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I actually am surprised that I have my notes more broken up into characters because at first I was like,

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_00]: it's the Waller family.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're doing.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_00]: They're just all together.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: But then as I really was separating it to see if I could, I was like, oh no, I really can break them up.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_00]: At least Ray Waller kind of has his own section.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I think Eve really has her own and then the kids is the end earlier to kind of have their yeah.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And then some other random notes about some other people that come by plus the pool itself, the Temagami.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The Temagami.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It has a name.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I knew that because when I did a little bit of research it's like the Temagami.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That makes it easier to refer to something with a name.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So Temagami is an indigenous word of Algonquin origin and it means deep water.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So that makes sense, right?

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So I went through this with Ray as my main character but then it also switched to other people but mostly it was Ray so I feel like he has to be our starting point for this one.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_00]: For sure.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Which yeah I mean I do love me some white Russell so always happy to see him so that's great.

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I've been seeing him more and more in like different things like he's really starting to branch out and do a lot of stuff because I think my first my introduction to white Russell.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It has to have been something else but I can't think of it but I think the first time I saw him was Black Mirror.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_00]: He was in play test.

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I remember.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the first time I saw him.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: He was in a show called I think The Lodge or Lodge something.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_00]: The Ledger, The Liss.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I think it was The Lodge.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so he was in that and I knew that.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I might get it mixed up with another show but yeah I know what you're talking about.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah never watched that though.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Me either.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It was an AMC show and I never got into it.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and he's been doing some other stuff.

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_00]: He was good in a baseball movie funny enough.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't think of the name of it right now with him and Austin Emilio and some other guys.

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah that one was fun.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And then he's in the MCU now.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_00]: He is.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Talking Winter Soldier and I've just seen him pop up.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean Monarch, we kind of talked a lot about Monarch.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes we did.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_00]: We're more of an episode of that to see him play the same character as his dad in different like.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I know so cool.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Timelines of the show was really cool.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah we're getting another season of that I believe so I'm excited about that.

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Interestingly you mentioned Austin Emilio who of course played Dwight on Fear the Walking Dead.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Well Gavin Warren who played Elliot actually played Dwight and Sherry's son on Fear the Walking Dead.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay I did not get that far in the show so.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Neither did I but I knew it existed.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I would have recognized it.

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Cause like I was like wait he was in the, I was like was he one of the oil kids?

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like oh no I had stopped watching him and it showed up.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Got it.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that's a situation.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes I will never be a completionist when it comes to everything within the Walking Dead universe

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: because I will never finish Fear the Walking Dead.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I will never say never but highly unlikely.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I don't think I'm going to be doing that.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah anyway here Wyatt Russell, I enjoy seeing him on my screen he's great.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Here in this movie he plays Ray Waller who is a, I guess former even though it seems like his MS took place

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and the degenerative stuff kind of started kicking in while he was getting ready for the current season.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_00]: He was at spring training they mentioned.

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Whenever he got his diagnosis and started going downhill pretty fast but so in here though

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_00]: he was a former professional baseball player battling MS so trying to find a place to settle down rehab

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of deal with things what's going on see what can be done spend the time he has with his family.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of where we pick up with them.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I should mention watching him in this movie and seeing this depiction of MS my dad had MS

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_02]: and so while they were sitting at the doctors a couple of times I just it took me back to some of those updates

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_02]: that I would get from my mom about the different treatments because there my dad was taking B-Pollin

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_02]: at one point for certain things and he had steroids and they were just interferon was another one.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_02]: There were all these different treatments that he was on and so I really felt for even that situation

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_02]: and for the kids because I know what it was like.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah because I think I was in my early 20s when he was diagnosed and not living at home

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_02]: but it was really sad to go home.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You know I wouldn't get home that often but when I did I would see that my dad had regressed more each time that I went home.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It was very sad and so I felt so much for their family and Ray when they were even driving down the road

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_02]: and seeing fathers playing with their sons I just you could tell that he was you know really sad

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_02]: and depressed about that because dads want to play with their kids like it's just what you want to do

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_02]: and it just you know it touched me this movie touched me because of that connection.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah yeah and they're looking at different houses and then yeah they get to this one.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Net pool is just so rude making people fall in all the time

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's he falls in reaching for a baseball he sees on the tarp which is weird because it's like almost like the same baseball that he crushed at the school

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_00]: like later in the movie it's kind of this weird like it has this like effect where it's it knows how to pull people personalized to them.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It does it definitely does although I will say this why on earth did that little girl think she had to go get that boat in the middle of the night.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I know I saw the same thing as like OK the boat the boats there at the bottom of the pool it'll still be there in the morning go to bed.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Why are you doing this I couldn't believe it.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like there's no need to get up.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_00]: But kids that's the thing about kids is they're very impulsive and they get an idea in their head and it doesn't matter if it logically makes sense.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_00]: If they're like I'm going to do this thing then they do that thing that's how kids brains work so it makes sense.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Well you know we've said a million times that people should listen to kids so it's really kind of two different.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah listen to kids when they're being coherent.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_00]: But also they're very impulsive creatures that definitely are learning how to make logic work in life.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's not a simple world.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_02]: They're figuring it out a little at a time.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah but as he falls in and has this baseball he kind of has really what it seems like a vision.

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_00]: But then as we see more and more we talk to you know we see other characters and learn more about what this entity is.

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like it pulls his wish is kind of what the Miss Summers says is you know the wish that he has which is for his career and fame to return

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and to be able to play baseball again and he sees himself making this triumphant return to the major leagues after beating his diagnosis

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's this whole thing and so that's what he becomes hyper focused on and kind of obsessed with.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Especially after he realizes that the pool has like healing properties and it starts small with the cut on his hand

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_00]: but eventually like he sees like the MS like is reversing and he's progressing and his muscles his sight his everything is getting better and better

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and his strength is coming back and he's feeling healthy again.

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It gives him hope.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah a lot of those early things like there's the first time they swim in the pool as a family

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and you know he's doing his little like exercises and you know Eve is throwing the coins for the kids and you know he goes and

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_00]: he's playing with his son where he's like got the shark fin and he dives in and Ellie's looking for him and then he pops up behind him.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It was just wholesome and adorable and I loved it so much.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like this is just beautiful family bonding time and then I remembered that this whole movie couldn't just be that and then immediately I was sad and scared because I was like

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_00]: in that moment I'm like oh just watching an hour and a half of this family being adorable together and then I'll just like turn it off and be done and I'll feel good but nope that's not what this is going to be so great.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not that movie.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Nope it was not.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It is definitely a horror and we saw at the very beginning exactly what that pool can do.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I will say that at one point when they were cleaning the pools so they could get it ready.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I was sure his hand was going to get sucked into the hole at the bottom where he was and I'm like no that couldn't happen this early in the movie but man I just feel like it's going to happen.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I had to let myself let go of the title of the movie because I was like oh it only happens at night.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Nope never mind.

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Just all the time that can do things.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_02]: No no no no.

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: No that would make it a man eater.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Which you don't probably get but it's perfect.

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You only go out at night.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's just a hollow note song.

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh I know the song.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You know the song.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It just made me think you know I was just talking about it eating his arm like and then he said I thought it was night swim and it would only be at night and it just made me think about man eater and all of them.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah that's kind of where we are is we're having the cute moments and then it's whenever he's healing he's getting better and he forms this connection to the pool and a kind of this obsessive place where I need it.

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the best thing that's ever happened to me.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_00]: It's even before it really like takes him over it's already got that that's connection to him.

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes it got the connection right at the beginning.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_02]: When it's when it pulled him in for the baseball that is when it got the connection.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It read his mind and got his you know what his biggest wish was like it did with another family that we'll talk about a little bit later.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah yeah we learned he played for the Milwaukee Brewers which was cool because then I was like well how many times did he send Bernie down the slide.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Based on like the stuff that we saw that and probably a lot which is cool.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I love that field of people who don't know baseball stuff is yeah the Milwaukee Brewers it's like an indoor dome field and there's their Bernie Brewer is the mascot and anytime the Brewers hit a home run there's literally a slide slide at the top of the rafters like down to like the field side of the field

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and the mascot goes down the big slide when they hit a home run.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And who doesn't want to do that.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's so cool.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know what who didn't want to pull like this when you were a kid.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I had a pool not like this but yeah I enjoyed pool stuff as a kid for sure.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah so talk about yeah his obsessive stuff he's trying to get back to his glory days and then we kind of see it's the background story of this one like we were talking about it's a little more subtle but yeah we see it's kind of this your passion versus your family who you are who you were that kind of thing where we see that like baseball

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and his career and his you know success there was really what fueled him that he he was open to like it's not that he didn't love his family right but it's just this like he's hung up on

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_00]: not wanting to let go of the past to move forward into what can be something good right where it's just this like but I don't want to let go I want.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I want both at the same time even though as we hear like the scene with even Izzy where it's like he talks about all this time like you know he was away he was playing a game whenever Izzy was born his first child was born

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and his version of it is you know there was a spiritual connection and the moment she was born I was up to bat and then I crushed one and it's like you gave me this power but then on Eve side it's like I was alone without my husband trying to do this on my own and

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_00]: not to blame him not to like throw this like shade at him but it was just like it's two very different stories and he's trying to live in both worlds.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I mean his his daughter makes a comment at one point when she and her brother have seen something in the pool she makes a comment about not wanting to say anything

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_02]: and not only because they won't believe you but because they're having this time they're not moving they're settled in even if the pools haunted no one's going to believe them and she just wants things to be able to be what they are.

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_02]: She does not want to have to go through any more of that of what they've been through you know all of the stress you know of moving you know just like any well just like a military families are often you know moving well this is another situation where

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_02]: the dads or moms job is creating this world where they have to keep moving.

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah he mentions you know they never really planted roots anywhere I mean that's the role of a major league baseball players you get traded team to team all over the country you've got to pick up your family and move across the country with you then it's just

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_00]: that's the nature of the business and what it is is just other people with a lot of money decide where you live season to season.

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes but you also get a lot of money.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah it seems like especially his degree of of where he was at and level he was playing and he seems to be pretty famous baseball player.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah that like yeah I mean he was definitely being paid.

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Exorbitantly well like he yeah it was definitely a great career for him and it's not that like they were complaining about it but it was.

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah it sucks like he's got a mass and things are bad but it is an opportunity for the family to grow closer together and yeah plant those roots they never had the opportunity to and he's pretty young like for I mean their kids.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not they didn't actually give out ages of the kids but they're probably I mean because what is he wasn't driving she's been taking school so probably 15 and 12 or 13 you know.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're not older parents so for him at his age which I would anticipate to be like I don't know between 35 and 38 ish.

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_02]: For him to be diagnosed at that time I mean it's such a life changing thing.

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And while he's happy to have time with his family you can tell that it's ripped away the one thing that he's had that's been a constant in his life probably since he was a kid.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is baseball.

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah getting getting back to this place and then the succession and.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And things and then there's a lot of this is the part about doing it character to character is then skip over a lot of important stuff that we will circle back to but really the next big thing for Ray is we just see that obsession get worse and worse and worse.

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_00]: To we get to the pool party.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah with Elliot's team and all of Izzy's friends and neighborhood people and parents and people they knew it's this very we want to be the welcoming family we never got to the chance to be that so let's be the ones that host the parties and everybody knows where the pool house where the cool parents were this.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_00]: This is our opportunity to do that and have this big party steroid Shrek love that line.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Which that leads to and I thought they were going to play off of it more mention it more when we talk about the kids but you know Elliot the son has this kind of story as you see him.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Feeling less than he feels like his father doesn't.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Love or not not that he doesn't love him but that he doesn't he's not proud of him that he's not living up to what.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_00]: My professional baseball playing dad X you know incredibly talented athlete.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Successful individual and I feel like Elliot just feels like he's failing like I'm not good enough at baseball I'm not strong enough I'm not big enough I'm not tall enough I'm.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_00]: You know just I'm not what he wants me to be.

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And he just kind of they were multiple times where they said either.

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Elliot or the mom like this is your year dad said this is my yard I think it's going to be my year meaning that he's growing up.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and trying to be the standout athlete that his dad was and kids sometimes do not fit that mold they just don't.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it's a once in a generation talent or once in a lifetime talent.

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and it's not yeah it's just not going to happen right there especially when they were at the ball field.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And he himself Elliot got a hit which was great but then his dad kind of overshadows him.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah by getting that long ball that flew and knocked a light out.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But that was again when he connected with the pool he was connected with the pool at that time like things were happening.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah so yeah so where I was going that is because we see that kind of going on and so I wonder as we talked about with some of these movies there's a lot that ends up being cut for time and for budget and this and that.

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_00]: To where I wonder if something that was in this movie was it just for convenience sake of getting one place to the next in the story.

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's of course this moment in the pool with the coach's time time was on his shoulders and of course that's you know we're not going to have him try to drown his own son right now because it's like we've got to still build up to that point.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Right but part of that is like because we see Elliot is watching from the room and even though they don't address it and they don't talk about it.

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I have to imagine because of where Elliot was mentally to see his dad take another man's son another boy and put him up on his shoulders and let's go do it.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's almost as if like oh the son that I don't have here's the talented athlete on the team.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the star player and I feel like even though again it's not addressed but you have to know that Elliot watching that almost has to feel you know kind of insignificant.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah you know like oh I'm being replaced like oh dad's got tie now is the star player like he doesn't.

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah yeah right you feel inferior and to feel that about a sibling or your parent.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_02]: The people that are supposed to be in your corner no matter what you know your blood family it's horrible like for him to see these things and he's recording the pool.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like he's doing that because he just know something's going on in that pool.

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was going to come back something that he saw and it never did.

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's stuff that was cut for whatever reason but right it never came back.

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of weird but you know I think him filming was to get him watching so he could say oh mom look something's happening.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and that's when the pool during that scene with tie is when the pool actually convenes with Ray like yeah goes into his body.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Super super intense.

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_00]: That was like I was like that was one of the moments in the movie were literally the horror was working for me where I was like oh like just wide eyes glued to the screen like.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh shit what is happening where like basically yeah this entity has possessed Ray and is making him.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Like attempt to drown tie and himself like it's like damn that is brutal and it's pretty brutal the whole thing we just yeah yeah the whole thing is.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Terrifying to watch yeah and then we just see throughout the rest of the movie until the end Ray just being taken over more and more and more by it which.

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_00]: You know I was like whatever it is it has become him and we're in a whole new well.

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Ballgame.

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes yes you are.

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Why Russell in villain mode.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Hell yeah yes please more of that.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm surprised we haven't seen him in a role like that.

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I know like again without spoiling too much I guess like his his role with Marvel with Falcon and Winter Soldier border borders that a little but not really kind of yeah.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah no this is the first time I think I've seen him play just and again he's possessed it's not really the character itself there but his portrayal of just spot on something.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Evil and malicious and dark it was incredible yeah he nailed it I was pretty impressed by how he switched from good to evil.

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Because he was so good like he was so into his family but you could also feel the sadness from him over losing baseball and being able to do things.

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it just happens.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_02]: That when things are taken away not because I'm older and I can't do them but because I have a degenerative disease that's robbing me of my ability to see and speak and move and do what I want because basically MS does that yeah.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And you can't predict when you're gonna have a flare up so you have plans and then all of a sudden the day you plan to do something you may not be able to use your hands the same way that you normally would.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And then another day it could be something else it was yeah it can happen like that.

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah so yeah and it gets all the way to the point that yeah full evil entity toward now he's you know stopping his wife and daughter from trying to save their son he's in this place for me to have what I want for me to have my abilities in my career in this back.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_00]: He has to die we have to sacrifice Elliott and even to that point like we see with the summer family with Miss summer and Miss summers and I don't know about Thomas that you know this the son.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_00]: How well he went along with things we don't see him as an adult in the movie just mentioned which makes me kind of wonder is he even really still alive or did he not handle it things well and she just pretends that he's still around everything's fine.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder because they almost felt like whenever she shows the picture of him in his military that was almost like it's almost like a shrine kind of thing where they're like the folded flag and like almost like there could have been an urn or something there like he died and she's still holding on to oh my wonderful son and look at all the things he's done and she's living in this other place.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I have this feeling that because one we learn that she locks him in his room so he can't go save his sister and you could tell based on her wanting to go get the boat for him like she really was a good sister like they were close.

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and so it was very selfish of the mother to you know sacrifice her daughter Rebecca for her for Thomas yeah I just have this feeling that she told him.

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_02]: The true extent of things at some point and maybe he decided he couldn't live with it right.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Because we don't really know again like he's just gone but yeah either way we're seeing that now that is taken over.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Why it but yeah Ray and he's kind of doing that same thing was like to get what I want this is what it is and then this dark and evil kind of thing that is in you that justifies it.

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_00]: You know I think Miss summers is like well you know Rebecca really didn't have many friends and she wasn't a happy person all the time and she was sad about her brother and she was lonely so it's better because she loved the pulse now she's there forever.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_00]: You know these kind of things and I really don't think she wanted to be Pennywise no.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_00]: But Ray is making those same arguments at least this entity this creature within him we're saying you know he's he's not happy.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_00]: You see how he is he feels like he's not adding up to what people's expectations are and that doesn't.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_00]: So you know it's better off because he's he's a sad little boy as.

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Most kids growing up have those kind of like you know moments yeah life is tough for a twelve year old or whatever.

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just starting to be a thing and you know that the struggle is real for kids.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you have social media going through high school.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah high school yeah yeah.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I just think it's a different world with kids and social media and all of those things and not just social media but the pressures of growing up with everything out there like posting everything and just it seems like everyone knows everything all the time about everyone.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're going to go through that it's going to happen kids are going to be moody.

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_02]: My 10 year old niece right now is I love her but she's going through this phase where it's like I said to Rachel her younger sister please don't get moody like Sissy when you get to be 10 because I'm not ready for it.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think yeah I mean he's struggling just like where he's at and to find himself but he seems like a really sweet kid like it's not like he's troubled or really having no.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Too hard of a time and but again that's this justification of this spirit this entity this thing.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's where we have Ray is at this point where he's like sacrifice you have to make the sacrifice and I'll justify it however I can in that way I can have what I want.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_00]: But you know luckily he is you know brought back to himself by the power of love also a few wax with a baseball bat that can always help.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes good old Izzy she brought him back because this gave honestly with Elliot being in the water for so long I gave the entity time to really infiltrate and take over so that Elliot really couldn't leave or do anything because.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_02]: The entity had taken control yeah so Ray had to make a very tough choice.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah so that by the end when Ray is back to himself we realize I mean they get Elliot out.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_00]: He's he's breathing he's still there and they're like okay we can get the skin to a hospital something and then this connects this control you said that this entity has where.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_00]: It requires it demands a sacrifice and it's like oh no you're that's that's not how this ends I'm still getting my sacrifice for it for you guys for either of you to get out of this alive.

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's you know to save his son that's what Ray does.

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_02]: He walks into the pool and gives himself to the pool so that his son can be released.

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is a terrible thing for I mean again.

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Ray didn't fall into the pool because he wanted to make a wish and have you know all this adventure.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_02]: He fell into the pool and the entity did the rest yeah so then they were just tied together.

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So Ray made the only choice that he could.

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and again it's that very subtle.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Thing and then there is a theme there is a.

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_00]: You know lesson or whatever of this movie again it's a very moral a moral you know is this idea of.

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_00]: You know that the sacrifices that a parent will make for their children out of love.

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And this kind of takes it to where like not just being able to let go of your past and let go of who you were and what you wish you could still be but.

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_00]: This cranks it all the way up to that ultimate sacrifice level of where are you willing to go.

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_02]: When this is the option given to you yeah there have been a couple of shows that I've been watching recently that have had these stories.

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Different stories of how mothers or mother figures have treated their children and how different it can be and how the outcome can be so different because of.

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_02]: The time that one parent will spend with their child versus someone else and I think.

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_02]: In this case the parents I mean Eve was really the one that was with the kids the most.

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But you could tell that they really enjoyed having this time with their dad and they.

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah felt so happy they didn't want anything to happen to ruin the time that they were having.

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And I just.

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_02]: You know the sacrifice at the end was I had a feeling it was going in that direction but I was hoping there'd be some loophole.

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But this is a horror movie and things don't work out that way.

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah so obviously with that scene there and the end of that wraps up.

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_00]: My my notes on Ray that's kind of yeah where we end with him.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I don't really have anything you know more to add.

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think we can move on to Eve.

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And again you know go through a lot of these kind of quicker and fill in some gaps but yeah Eve again has gotten used to moving around place to place take care of her kids but also.

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_00]: You know she hasn't the money that he makes from baseball.

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_00]: She's been able to afford this kind of like stay at home take care of the kids do these things.

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And now she's looking at OK what does life become if he's gone if we don't have him or even he's not playing anymore.

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_00]: He's got medical you know even before that he's got medical bills we've got to take care of he's not making money from playing baseball anymore we've got to make ends meet.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So she's working at the school that the kids are going to or at least Ellie at the middle school.

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's just working in admin and stuff there in the office but she's also like doing like online school classes and such looking to go into special education which very important props to that that's yeah close to my heart.

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I love that so yeah it's huge it is not an easy job.

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It takes a special person who has the patience and the empathy.

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and I yeah I applaud them for being able to do it quite a good bit of time in life skills and special education classrooms and with stuff in.

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah it's rough and it takes people that really are dedicated to it.

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's not easy.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that it's important for people when they're choosing a teaching career that they it's got to be the right person for the right age group for the right situation.

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I think and it really takes someone with a special heart.

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Not only you know empathy and patience but a special heart to be able to do that.

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and then yeah so she's settling in here this kind of new normal what's going on.

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_00]: The horror movie you're in is called Night Swim.

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Why are you swimming at night Eve?

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing?

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_02]: She was actually the first one that saw something strange.

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It was her.

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah it's like this goes and it's like the pool was showing people things that were like visions of the future to come the first thing she sees really like what gets taken over.

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Because if we go back to the beginning the little girl Rebecca sees her mother when she's under the water and that's who the pool had overtaken at that point.

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And so here the first thing that Eve sees is this like kind of ghostly evil black water leaking out of his eyes Ray standing at the edge of the pool foreshadowing things way in advance that like that's where it's going it already had him as its target.

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it's interesting that you point that out that it was that foreshadowing of what was to come.

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And then look like the lights flickering and stuff in the pool was it just me it gave very strong stranger things season one vibes if you know what I'm talking about.

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_00]: It did.

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It did.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Like this has this vibe.

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It has an old like 80s vibe like horror movie vibe not the whole thing but they were parts of it I was like wow they really went a little retro in a couple of spots.

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and then based off of what she saw there and then based off of what Elliot tells her that he sees.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_00]: There's this like voice at the back of her head is constantly kind of picking at her like something's wrong something's wrong.

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Mama instincts kind of kicking in on things to where when Ray's just like yeah we'll invite all the kids and all the parents and everybody over and it's gonna be because she's like oh we'll have like a big get together and like a cook out and we'll

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And then he's like yeah pool party and you can see her be like no I didn't mean for that like she like immediately you see once the pools involved something inside her kind of cringes and twitches at that like.

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about that it ends up happening we see is not a great idea.

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_02]: No I really thought someone was gonna drown in the pool.

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm so I was relieved when they didn't.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I mean almost almost yeah.

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was subtle how you notice the things with Ray like over time.

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm because it didn't seem to be an issue and then it did like it just took time you didn't notice it was very subtle and quiet.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and with Eve again like all she spends a lot of that time just not really trusting that pool there's something off even if it's subconscious you know we're at the party and she's talking to Kay the realtor.

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's chopping that watermelon and then she hears this kid yelling and you just see her the way she looks up in her eyes like this like quick moment of panic like she's like I knew it I knew it here it goes like it's time.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And then means just this kid out here enjoying himself having a fun time but like in her head she's like ready for something she knew is like yep I knew it I knew it was something.

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_00]: We even see like the shaking is I thought it was a really cool like choice that she continues chopping the watermelon but it's not the fine lines anymore it's like all jagged and like uneven after that.

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought was just a cool little like directors choice like you can see physically like something is wrong because she's not focused on the way she's cutting the watermelon it's little details like that that I think.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah she even that time to learn some real interesting things that she ended up having to go in research further.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah because again that realtor that realtor was interesting Kay she was also real freaky just in a different way.

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean she did bring that very special rum jiggly cake.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I know not for children.

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Because she brought it to just like because it gets her husband into his little black speedo.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I'm like OK that's an interesting character.

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah but yeah she reveals the tragedy of the pool and what had happened with the summer family which is mentions a little girl and it was because of what Elliot had told her.

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_00]: She has this thought to ask was her name Rebecca which is like.

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_00]: How did you know that.

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_00]: It's spooky.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah back when poor Elliot was talking to Pennywise in the pool event I thought that right away like he was going over there to get something out of the pool.

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like oh my God it's Pennywise here we go.

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not even it.

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and then everything that happens at the pool party definitely.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Sets things off she's like yeah OK things are really wrong that's not like Ray that's not there's something wrong.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And then of course she's talking to the coach and to ties parents.

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Which I think she does a good job they don't press charges and she.

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_00]: She makes a good point she's like well it attacks his nervous system so you know sometimes like he didn't mean to do that.

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she believed that she knew something was wrong but it was a good point like she's like it's it makes sense and you know you can get through to them although obviously I can see why they're still bothered and very much like it.

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't talk to me again.

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_02]: We don't exist to you were right now.

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Which again don't blame the bruises on ties thighs were.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Brutal.

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_00]: That was pretty telling.

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Also after I made that note I felt like I that would be a really good name for a chicken restaurant ties thighs.

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like yeah I could I could work with that.

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh and then you do like a curry one and then it's ties tie.

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Peg only you would come up with this.

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_02]: If you need a name for your restaurant just talk to Peg he'll like a fried curry like fried curry chicken is ties tie thighs.

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_00]: There we go.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway yeah so talk about Eve kind of this obsession of her own now she's looking for answers and she's at work and she's like just hanging up the phone like I don't want to talk to people in their problems and do my job.

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I've got to do research and figure out what's going on.

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes exactly.

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And then she had it's not just Rebecca there's other people who've lived there over the years that have gone missing and it's all this very mysterious thing and.

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_00]: What's going on and it leads to the very classic horror trope.

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Of tracking down a past survivor and or their family and getting these foreboding answers and clues from it very big trope and a lot of different things but it's fun.

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That was very interesting.

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Because Rebecca's mother had a fountain in her house.

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And I started wondering does it have water from the pool in it.

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Probably I think so.

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it was acting really weird at different times.

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And so you can just tell that very much like what happened with Ray you know Mrs. Summers fell into the water or something.

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_02]: She got she's the one that got connected.

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think she used it to save her son.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was her choice like I'm going to save my son which means my daughter is going to be sacrificed and she didn't seem to be bothered by it and.

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like hmm that seems a little strange to me.

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't imagine because when you look at Ray and Eve's family you can see and know right away that they wouldn't be okay with any of that.

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that is not something that they would have signed up for.

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like the entity takes from you and then expects you to pay later.

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm going to give you this spray tan but oh yeah now you can give me 40 bucks but you never told them they had to pay upfront.

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's ridiculous.

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah that's kind of what it does with Ray.

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like I'm giving you your health back your strength back.

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_00]: You just got to give me.

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Give me give me.

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Give me the boy.

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh we want the boy.

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god I'll never forget where.

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I was watching that at night in a dark room and it freaked the crap out of me.

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh and still it freaks me out.

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But in this case we're dealing with the Tamagami which is yeah.

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah a little different.

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I mean it gets what it wants which Eve I'll say smart thinking I guess with the hose for air and she's going into the abyss after her son you know I feel like in that position that's like the parent what I'm doing.

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_00]: What are you willing to sacrifice because you look at that it's like that's an alternate dimension basically.

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes it is.

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like there's no hope you wouldn't expect like there's no way you're going to find him there's no way he's going to live but she goes for it anyway because.

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a mother's love.

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like if she dies trying to save him so be it because she's going to do what she has to do.

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_00]: You know whether it's a 1% chance or less or not you know like and I admire that she's like going for it this is what I'm going to do.

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And then down in the abyss she finds him and grabs and then like all these like past victims and sacrifices are down there in the pool it was.

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Again I've mentioned Stranger Things is the vibe here I got a very different vibe I wonder if you picked up on the same made me think of very insidious.

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes down there even the music had this very kind of like shrill kind of like that was and it was like okay we're further now.

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It did give me that vibe so much.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't the further it was.

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_00]: The deeper called the deeper.

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of what it was not a place.

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Take wants to go visit.

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_00]: No not at all.

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a claustrophobic vibe I think.

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_00]: But even to the point of similar to like insidious in the further where they have Rebecca there there's something an entity that's also there that is.

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Helpful and benevolent and willing to guide our characters out.

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_00]: We covered some of the insidious stuff I'm not going to spoil it by naming exact characters that it like lines up with and stuff but.

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_00]: For those who haven't watched it but but yeah I mean that was kind of Rebecca was that character where they're in there and there's these like spirits who have just been.

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Over time taken over and all these things but like she's still the pure one there that saves them.

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah she makes them realize they're going the wrong way.

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Pointing towards the red door I mean the top of the pool.

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I got major insidious vibes from that yeah anything I think when a parent is going into a darker place to rescue their child that takes me to insidious yeah usually.

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and then just the ending with yeah the video from Ray and kind of the aftermath of the family was actually really emotional it got me.

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and then you get you mentioned it a little bit you know at least hinted at it is the wallers there.

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Deciding to stay and live at that house they could move on.

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_00]: But they stay but then they get rid of the pool they have it destroyed and covered and buried and you know just.

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_00]: As long as we're here and we take we keep watch over that then we're saving a future family from this same disaster.

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And they even said that's what our dad would you know that's what dad would want he wouldn't want us to let another family succumb to this evil pool.

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't want anyone or he wouldn't want anyone to fall victim to it so yeah.

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that brings us to the kids.

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_00]: All right I've got some stuff.

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I've got a few things.

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Mention things with Izzy's storyline kind of it's a small thing but you know this thing with Ronan her boyfriend the hot Christian swimmer that's a new trope that I haven't seen before can we turn that into a trope.

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Can that be just from years on be like you know oh yeah you know the horror movies you have the the stoner kid the the the the the the the hot blonde virgin and the hot Christian swimmer that that needs to be a trope that we have.

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I think so too.

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Can we make it that way maybe we yes.

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_02]: We can find a way to incorporate it into every movie we talk about going forward we will just designate a camp up who's the hot Christian swimmer in this movie.

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: The character is hot.

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll do it.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah I talked about Elliot as far as like it was very subtle but I read into it pretty early on like even like when he's the first day going to school or is like well dad said I'm hitting my growth spurt and yeah it's like you know and then he's like I'm gonna come to your practice and he's like oh great.

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah he was happy to have his mom there.

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah like in Ray even said you need to come to practice because he does better when you're there.

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's because he's got this bigger bond with his mother because his dad wasn't there all the time.

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So there's one thing about is about Izzy when they're swimming and playing Marco Polo.

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And she's playing with the entity only she doesn't realize it.

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted him to write on his hand not Ronan and hold it up.

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_00]: That's great.

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah that scene was the one that I really applied the note a big old pool full of nope too.

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah there was just like no no thanks.

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_00]: The Marco Polo thing was really creepy especially she's just like she kind of snarky a little bit and she's like Ronan you're dead and I was like well it's not Ronan but the dead part you totally nailed.

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And then it was weird because it was like this dimensional change because I guess she went into the deeper if I'm calling it that but wasn't going to come back it wasn't because she's not the sacrifice it wanted.

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of testing out the different people and then it like clung to Elliot for whatever reason.

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It probably sensed the sadness.

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah like to her to Izzy it was like Ronan left and was replaced by this horrible figure and it went on for you know five 10 15 minutes.

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_00]: When to Ronan when she comes back up after everything in a panic he's like you were underwater for a few seconds what happened like it's almost this interdimensional thing where it's it plays with time and space and it really gets in people's heads.

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it does I mean it shows you what it thinks you want to see really.

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_02]: You know it kind of it's yeah I can't think of the terminology that I want at this time but I've seen this type of thing in films where the entity or the evil gives you or shows you oh I know what it is the Amityville horror.

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah yeah very similar there were a lot of tropes I think in this movie that relate to other things.

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah so it's great not in a bad way just not yeah I like those things yeah and then again as I mentioned this one and a lot of it is with the kids.

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Is this like the tense where I'm like okay and with Elliot you know where he meets Rebecca and things because again I talked I already have this fear of like underwater kids are involved the anxieties heightened and so it's just so much tension where I'm just watching Elliot follow the breadcrumb trail of coins deeper and deeper and deeper and I'm like stop what are you doing.

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_00]: That's Hansel and Grotto yeah I know I'm like stop and then did you not hear your dad tell you stay in the shallow and boy you're going to give me an aneurysm I don't.

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh these poor characters have turned this one back they have no idea what they're doing to take they have no idea what stress they're putting him through when he's watching this movie and again I have to point out you pick this one so you signed yourself up for the extra stress.

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and then yeah even when he comes back up and then Rebecca is calling from him from the filter area like you said playing Pennywise and then creepy monster and grabbing and I'm like no thanks I want none of that exactly not.

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_00]: That is what I want.

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Well he was doing what Pennywise would do that's how he got Georgie to try to get his vote.

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just again it's all these little things that are like oh wow.

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and then yeah just talking more about Elliott we see at the baseball game you know he's just sitting in his dad's shadow just kind of covered there.

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't have the opportunity to stand out and it makes me wonder if maybe it would have been better for him to pick a different activity one that didn't involve something his father was so good at.

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But then again I see that it's like especially that age like you know he's proud of his dad and he's yeah that's something when you know I'm sure he enjoys baseball and he's like my dad is you know Brewer's third baseman Ray Waller like that's a lot of something to hold up to but it's like

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_00]: he's proud of that I'm sure that's like that's really cool and he wants to be like dad and yeah great if I could also play baseball in the majors and be like my dad and like because he's kind of impressive place was like he wants to make his dad proud and so it's just hurting him even worse that he feels like he's failing at that.

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Well I think that's the way that it is with kids I think they want to make their parents proud anyway.

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just really difficult sometimes when you're not able to do that kids take things hard yeah you know and maybe he did want to go on to be a baseball player and play in the majors and do things that is fat that his dad wasn't able to.

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Complete because of his illness yeah.

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see what else we talked about yeah the kids both having bad situations in there and then them talking about it and then again kind of this little like difference with them where Elliot's very much like we have to tell mom and dad and everything's wrong we can't you know the pool is evil like we gotta.

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_00]: The younger one who's very much like listen to me I just let's go and and is he is the older kid is like.

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to upset the status quo dad's doing better like on the surface things are better I'd rather just ignore it and pretend that it's nothing because why rock the boat why exactly why continue to make a mess for ourselves we're trying to avoid moving around and being stressed and.

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Being scared as a family like we're already scared enough about dad's sickness we're already scared enough about this like why add more to it exactly.

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly they were getting that time to be able to be a family and they didn't want to lose that and I totally get it.

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So the pool cover coming back into play of course that was no it lures Elliot in and then it's just gonna like and then we're just gonna cover the pool up and call it a day.

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Luckily again Eve and is he there which leads to the last note which is I might still be cringing from Izzy falling on that glass for the rest of the day.

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_02]: When that glass fell off that there was a reason yeah.

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: That reminds me of the final destination movies because things like that will happen to get.

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Things rolling to so that yeah fate can intervene and right the world I guess yeah we haven't covered any of those we should do that now.

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah watching the glass kind of move to the edge began as soon as it hits the ground and shatters in the way that glass shard is up.

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_00]: It was it was the nail on the staircase in a quiet place where you're like well that's gonna be that's coming back like obviously.

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Pain pain it's gonna hurt and I wasn't and then as soon as she comes running back into the house I thought she was gonna step on it but when she trips and goes like wrist first.

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean literally those are the kind of things that get that reaction we were talking about ready or not earlier yeah slight spoilers like there's the seat where you know.

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh weavings character is climbing out of has the like full shot through her hand and then has to like stab it on to a nail to climb.

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah I hate it so much.

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_00]: It's body horror is the thing that gets me the most that's what makes me squirm and so even something like that where it's just her jamming her wrist on this glass that literally makes me.

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Scrunch up and turn away from my screen and go now.

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_02]: No I take it back let's do a different movie.

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to talk about this one.

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah no.

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_02]: There are a lot of the kills in the Friday the 13th series that will probably make you squirm.

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna happen.

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah like there's a little known movie unless you're like just a big horror buff but hobo with a shotgun.

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes there's a scene from that movie that will haunt my brain for every second of the rest of my living days.

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I know what one it is.

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah you probably do.

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not a pleasant one.

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_00]: No it's not at all in any way.

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_00]: No should we cover that one.

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be down for it.

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It is so gory and the gratuitous violence is off the charts.

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_02]: But I really think we should cover it because I think we could have some fun with it.

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll have to you know covering it means you'd have to watch it again.

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I would have to go through that scene again and I have not watched it since the one time I've seen it years and years ago.

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of it is because I don't want to do that again but for this podcast.

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I knew it.

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_00]: The sacrifices I'll make for this part.

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I know you do.

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Two times.

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_00]: While we're in the theme of sacrificing for the greater, run for your lives I'll watch over the shot.

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright for the greater good.

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_00]: For the greater good.

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay there's a couple things I have to mention.

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: The cat, I will admit as soon as that cat appeared on screen I went to doesthedogdie.com to find out because I don't like pets getting killed in movies.

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It makes me upset.

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So I was able to watch it knowing and that helped.

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It was off screen at least.

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:13:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I mean the cat didn't have a good end unfortunately because of it but I agree with the cat the moment before it was gone was fuck that boat.

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: The cat agreed with me.

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Cider.

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Cider.

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_02]: That's an interesting name for a cat.

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Not church.

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So the school that the kids attended was named Harold Holt.

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Well Holt was an Australian prime minister who was an avid swimmer and he disappeared and is presumably dead while swimming in the ocean.

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like okay well that's kind of creative.

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: We talked a little bit about the short film.

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Rod Blackhurst directed the short film and in 2018 he and Bryce McGuire sold it so that a bigger film could be made.

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It's basically about a woman terrorized in her pool by an evil spirit.

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: They took a lot from just that one piece.

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they built a lot of story off it.

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll try to remember to share the link to the short film so people can see it.

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah cool.

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a few other little notes.

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_00]: The Tamagami, the spirit and some of the stuff.

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Opening of the movie flashback 92.

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Rebecca with the boat and all of that.

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah I was going to point out I'm surprised because I mentioned before I started recording there's a sweet tooth connection and you're like no I don't know.

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_00]: So the girl who plays Rebecca, Rebecca there is played by Azaian or Ayazan.

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_00]: An indigenous native who goes by her first name but she played Nuka in the final season 3 of Sweet Tooth.

[01:15:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That is how different she looks.

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And she looks more grown up in this movie.

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh.

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_00]: She probably filmed Sweet Tooth first honestly the way that she filmed stuff.

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Nuka one of the best characters on Sweet Tooth this season 3.

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of one of the reasons I wanted to cover this movie is because she was in it.

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I was like oh the sweet tooth connection.

[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like just saw her as her character there and she was awesome so I was like yeah.

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't in this one enough.

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Not as much but she did have a very pivotal role there at the end like we talked about.

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_02]: She did.

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_00]: That's who that was I was surprised she didn't pick up on that.

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm surprised I didn't either but she didn't have fox ears and she definitely didn't have the bright blue eyes.

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And she wasn't wearing a whole lot of Arctic gear.

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Big difference.

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think I've got some other notes so I think we've covered most of them just kind of what this thing was.

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Because a lot of my notes because I do that just on first watch some of it's just me speculating on what's going to happen and then.

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Those aren't as interesting although like you know have this you know Miss Summers wanted her son Thomas to be healthy and she got that at the sacrifice of Rebecca that she willingly participated in.

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And then I was trying to see I felt like it probably was Elliot but I was like it could go in a lot of different ways because then I was like.

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I could make a case for which family member the pool would want Ray to sacrifice.

[01:17:29] [SPEAKER_00]: What's it going to ask for in return or who and is it going to ask the wife who's trying to stop the whole situation.

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_00]: The daughter who has this light rebellious streak or the son who's not quite living up to the image maybe he would have expected you know like there's yeah.

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to figure out.

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean it looks for maybe the weakest link.

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know maybe.

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's easiest.

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_02]: That's easiest for entities.

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_00]: The one that you can mostly justify.

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah the easy one.

[01:18:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess something great about horror movies is that they're able to make you scared of everyday things and occurrences at least for a little bit.

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I'll give props to this one for making water scary and not like just deep water or murky water like a lot of things do but just the concept of.

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Water in general when just a glass of clear water on a table makes you go.

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Or like when Elliot's looking at it and it's rippling or whatever it's like just water is scary now thanks movie.

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Well because they learn that the water is actually from some spring.

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like piped in or brought in by a truck like a lot of pools are filled by a truck.

[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_02]: This one was filled by a spring which is probably where their water and everything else came from so it was all connected.

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_00]: And then last things was just some interesting characters which I mentioned the realtor.

[01:18:57] [SPEAKER_00]: We see the pool tech guy for just like one scene he was a weirdo he was fun.

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And then just another like hopefully you know he went through some trauma but hopefully the OK I like the character tie like that kid he seemed like very talented yet kind because like the first thing I know is because it's the coach's son and he's clearly like the star athlete on the team.

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And like the first thing he like first interaction with Elliot was like oh good luck and good job you know he's very complimentary and supportive.

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Kids got a good heart I can tell.

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:19:37] [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I think we got through the whole thing.

[01:19:43] [SPEAKER_02]: There were a lot of tropes in this from different movies that took me back to different things so.

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm happy with their coverage today I think that we got it.

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I think we nailed it.

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah a lot of like connections and references and and tropes like you said but nothing bad it was just I like when things can make me think of other stuff especially stuff that like we've covered or talked about.

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah man it brings it back.

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like I never am able to tie in you know ready or not and a quiet place and insidious into this and be like yeah like it's pretty great.

[01:20:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah think of future movies where we'll continue to do that.

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean I guess I won't know until after I've watched them so we'll just have to.

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess as this podcast is well guess we just have to watch movies.

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_00]: We'll have to keep doing more movies.

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah it's what we do that.

[01:20:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And there was the feedback phone so see maybe if we have some listeners who check this out and see what they had to say.

[01:20:55] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And take the first one of course coming from Sam who says well well well if it isn't my childhood fear of being dragged to the bottom of a pool by a monster being made into a movie.

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed the movie well enough I wouldn't watch it again though it seemed like a lot went into the film I think the story just thinned out and the plot was predictable looking forward to the coverage and hearing what you guys think.

[01:21:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks Sam.

[01:21:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah that is totally valid and fair thought I think we kind of shared some of the same sentiment.

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah maybe I don't remember.

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Again we feedback is recorded like a few weeks after we've actually talked about the movie for those who want to be in the know on that so I'm trying to remember I don't even remember if we but yeah I feel like we definitely stayed it was like it was it was a fine movie but it wasn't like the biggest hit or success.

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_00]: The Blumhouse has given to us lately but all in all was was fine and it was perfectly good movie to watch.

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I think the whole thing with the underwater part just it just makes me feel claustrophobic so yeah.

[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh there's my.

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Well Catherine hello Catherine thank you for coming every week and bringing the feedback for us.

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's what Catherine had to say.

[01:22:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Keep going back and forth on my overall feeling about night swim I enjoyed all of the camera work especially the baseball breaking and the underwater scenes there were a few good jump scares and I was tense the entire time thinking no one was safe after Rebecca summers and cider the cat.

[01:22:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But not all of the effects on the water demon work for me the bulging eyes made me chuckle and I immediately thought of the bloated well walker on her shoulders far.

[01:22:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I like the pools back story but thought it was over explained and a bit predictable night swim felt a lot like amityville horror but I didn't care for the family nearly as much I definitely enjoyed night swim overall but not sure if there's much to gain from a rewatch.

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Other than the demon scenes I'd love to just watch those again.

[01:23:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Nice.

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah good thanks.

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I got the amityville horror vibes to from that and that's also a movie that we should cover Peggy have you seen that I have not.

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Surprise surprise so we will definitely be adding that because they did a remake of it so we could do it as a double dip maybe good maybe no little awesome we did that yeah.

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And lastly Alma wrote and say I remember watching the trailer for this movie and being excited for it because it looks scary then I actually watch in theater and was very disappointed it just was not scary.

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I might or might not rewatch it for the podcast.

[01:23:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Well we appreciate you sending in feedback absolutely and you don't need to watch or rewatch is completely up to you as long as you're tuning into the podcast and we appreciate that exactly.

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Well if you'd like to submit feedback like Alma Catherine or Sam you can find us on Facebook and Instagram at run for your lies podcast.

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[01:24:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes YouTube now has this cool podcast feature there.

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I no longer have to make videos anymore it just automatically uploads like a static picture with it to YouTube so it's great.

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[01:24:57] [SPEAKER_00]: We do indeed.

[01:24:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And of course speaking of sharing the love got to give some shout outs to the things going on in the podcast to the universe around us.

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_00]: The cast of us continuing their walking dead rewatch Jason Lucy covering season three episode seven when the dead come knocking this week so you check that out as they continue that rewatch.

[01:25:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of rewatches of course the revisited podcast with Ben and Kristen getting close to wrapping up their coverage of Ted Lasso there in season three episode 11 mom city is out now and they will be recording they're taking feedback right now for the series finale.

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Season three episode 12 so get that in I think there might still be time whenever you listen to this as it goes live so.

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah get that in if you're checking that out and how you know finish up Ted Lasso with them and then they'll get started on the good place after that so.

[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah we visited their plan to record on Monday the 19th so as long as you get it in before Monday morning I think you're good so make sure that you do that if you if you want to I feel like I need to say something.

[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_02]: About it that show is just one that I came too late and I just.

[01:26:12] [SPEAKER_02]: It was just amazing it's everything I needed during the pandemic like it just brought joy.

[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah so go give some Ted Lasso love over to Ben and Kristen on revisited.

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you can also check out Peter and Lucy on their let it rip podcast the bear cast they're covering season three of the bear this week they released season three episode seven and eight.

[01:26:37] [SPEAKER_00]: The episode titles legacy and ice chips yeah both of those great episodes for different reasons I'm not going to give anything away but ice chips definitely.

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I think might be another one of those.

[01:26:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Emmy nomination bait kind of episodes we're getting an incredible performance by a certain incredible actress that I'm not going to name because I'm not going to spoil it but you need to watch it it's.

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And they've been doing a great job covering the bear and loving listening along to Lucy and Peter every week so definitely go check that out.

[01:27:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Also Cobra Kai cast with Jason Richard and G. Rima they've got underdogs which is season six episode four out this week and then they will be recording soon for the first mid season finale there's a three parter so this is the last one that's available right now

[01:27:35] [SPEAKER_00]: the episode five of season six final season.

[01:27:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Think it's the best of the best I think is the name of that episode I haven't watched it yet I will soon and then check it out along with them.

[01:27:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah they've been doing a great job covering that it's the final season of Cobra Kai and it's been fantastic so far their coverage has really been.

[01:27:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Spice it up even more so definitely check that out.

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Dragon cast has come to an end for another season as House the Dragon season two is done.

[01:28:06] [SPEAKER_00]: What an incredible season what incredible show and Wendy Reni and Veronica have done an incredible job covering it the whole season with a couple of guest hosts coming in and out of that so definitely go check out their coverage of the season finale.

[01:28:20] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of great stuff to talk about in that one and they did an incredible job as always so make sure to go get that some love.

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And then also what is from the podcast for the show from over on MGM plus with Alex and Lizzie make sure to stay tuned with that they're still kind of throwing out some rewatch episodes here and there.

[01:28:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I think they've got one up recently but season three is just right around the corner coming back in September so I know once the new episode start dropping they will be on that and releasing those and talking about the new season which I'm so excited to start watching and listening along once that happens.

[01:28:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Such a good show again the best show that nobody's watching and people need to get on it so underrated and it's so good though so check out from.

[01:29:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah you really have to watch it.

[01:29:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:29:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And then outside of podcast of course we always give some love to our friends or TV podcast industries.

[01:29:14] [SPEAKER_00]: No new episode over there but we wanted to definitely give them a special shout out because those of you who maybe follow the hosts over their TV podcast industries Derek and John.

[01:29:25] [SPEAKER_00]: They've been together as partners for a while and just this last week they got married officially and that's incredible congrats so much to you guys that's awesome.

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So much love to Derek and John on your marriage and everything going forward.

[01:29:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah it's it's awesome is about time fellas.

[01:29:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:29:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes so excited for them when to give them some love love you guys so much and yeah love it.

[01:29:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And then if you want to hear more of me and Daphne with our friends Jeff and Jerry you can always check out the Buffalo Buffalo podcast.

[01:30:02] [SPEAKER_00]: We're still going crazy with that one every week just playing games hanging out talking goofing driving Daphne crazy.

[01:30:12] [SPEAKER_00]: You know just all the things we do over there 30 minute quick episodes you can just hear us making each other laugh or making Daphne question her friendship with us on a weekly basis.

[01:30:23] [SPEAKER_00]: You know we do what we do.

[01:30:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes yes doing what they love to do which is drive me crazy yes.

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_02]: That happens in every episode you can get it's guaranteed.

[01:30:37] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just kind of a mini game that we play ourselves is who can just like drive you the most crazy.

[01:30:44] [SPEAKER_00]: The ultimate goal is who gets the who wins the podcast is who makes Daphne finally snap.

[01:30:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And they push very hard every episode and sometimes I strike back in ways that are a lot of fun and I can even make them laugh.

[01:31:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes yeah so definitely if you want to get a good laugh or just kind of commiserate with Daphne over there check it out.

[01:31:10] [SPEAKER_00]: It's been a lot of fun.

[01:31:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah but other than that you can always come back here next week to run for your lives will have something fresh and fun for you.

[01:31:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Daphne what are we doing next week.

[01:31:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Well next week we are actually looking back at all of our episodes again.

[01:31:24] [SPEAKER_02]: You know that we've done these great episodes that talk about our favorite characters by season.

[01:31:31] [SPEAKER_02]: We have now our riffle awards.

[01:31:34] [SPEAKER_02]: What if we went back and looked at all the films we've talked about and pick the worst ones.

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah kind of a riffle razzies.

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it is something for us to do that to be able to go back and think about each movie and just decide yeah that's definitely it.

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_02]: For me it wasn't that hard.

[01:31:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I knew exactly which one was at the top of the list.

[01:31:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah we've definitely covered some stinkers in the past so definitely some movies we talked about but even when it's a bad movie we try not to shy away from covering it because

[01:32:09] [SPEAKER_00]: still leads to a fun episode most of the time so we at least go back and look at the movies and characters that just boggled our minds and drove us crazy

[01:32:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and made us question why are we doing this but it's always fun in the end so yeah definitely.

[01:32:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Check that out next week and also for feedback we'd love to hear from you guys.

[01:32:27] [SPEAKER_00]: You be honest don't I mean not don't tell us what your least favorite episodes are our egos can't handle that every episode is a perfect beautiful little baby angel and we're the most best podcast in the world but

[01:32:40] [SPEAKER_00]: if you want to tell us what the movies that you thought were the worst and the characters that you thought were the worst in those movies yeah definitely give us your feedback on that we'd love to hear what you guys think.

[01:32:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes please because there are so many and by worst character we're talking about waste of space.

[01:32:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Not necessarily like villains that are so bad you hate them but they're like they're so like you're so bad that they're good you love to hate them not necessarily that.

[01:33:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah more characters that are like why is this character even in this movie.

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah basically it's dumb like is this dumb that was my criteria one of my criteria for it was it's dumb he's dumb she's dumb no there's no need for this.

[01:33:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah that brings us to the end of our episode thanks everyone for listening I'm Daphne and I'm big and if you have to run.

[01:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You better run for your lives.

[01:33:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Bye bye.