Run For Your Lives Podcast Episode 186: Brightburn

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[00:00:32] Hey everyone, welcome to the show. I'm Daphne.

[00:00:35] Hey, I'm Pake.

[00:00:36] And this is the Run For Your Lives Podcast.

[00:00:40] This episode we are talking about the superhero horror film superhero.

[00:00:44] I don't know. It's in that genre, but I wouldn't call in that. Anyway, the film Brightburn directed by David Yavsky and released May 24th, 2019.

[00:00:56] Which, yeah, 2019, my brain does weird things with that number because it feels like it was longer ago than that.

[00:01:03] And then I was like, well, that's actually longer ago than it feels like it is.

[00:01:09] Yes, this is when I had not seen but it continued to come up on lists that we talked about.

[00:01:17] And so it seemed like it was the right time to jump into it.

[00:01:23] Yeah, I remember seeing this one in theaters and it was honestly one of my favorite movies I've 2019.

[00:01:30] I really enjoyed just it was something very unique and different that had a lot of tropes and great nods to certain things and.

[00:01:41] Yeah, with the with the cast of people that was kind of familiar with from different things and it was it was just kind of hit like a little sweet spot back in 2019.

[00:01:48] I haven't watched it since then this is the first time seen it since then.

[00:01:51] And trying to decide if it holds up as much as I really enjoyed it in the theaters and.

[00:01:57] I don't think quite as highly as I really enjoyed it the first time I saw it as times kind of gone on however, I still really like this movie.

[00:02:04] I still really enjoyed it was good to watch it again and go back to it.

[00:02:08] Well, as usual, we didn't talk about this movie before we started the podcast tonight so peck doesn't know what I think of the movie because I had never seen it before.

[00:02:19] Yeah, so.

[00:02:22] Could I be curious to know yeah there's a lot to talk about with this one I like a lot of the tie ends to the classic version of Superman.

[00:02:35] They were a bunch of different things that I kept seeing and they it just made me think oh, all that looks like that.

[00:02:42] Ooh the colors are really like close to what you know I've seen before.

[00:02:48] Yeah, but there was something very sinister about this this movie and this character of Brandon.

[00:02:58] Yeah, so before we dive in we'll go through a couple of the production notes was filmed in Georgia including using the high school that they used for stranger things.

[00:03:13] It's it's a high school that is no longer like being utilized as an actual school, but it has been used for different things in Stranger Things so yeah it's kind of cool.

[00:03:25] It was written by Brian gun and Mark gun.

[00:03:31] And the name gun sounds very familiar well.

[00:03:34] Brian is the brother and mark is the cousin of James gun who we've covered James guns movies on here before.

[00:03:44] Yeah, slither and belco experiment.

[00:03:49] So this is you know customary family affair.

[00:03:54] It is.

[00:03:56] So James gun of course producer.

[00:03:58] Bajja was between 6 and 12 million and it grows 32.9 million.

[00:04:05] It was 90 minutes long.

[00:04:07] Pake give us that synopsis.

[00:04:10] All right Superman, but bad.

[00:04:15] Or more eloquently as IMDB put it what if a child from another world clash land and he was already

[00:04:23] a child with the air with the planet.

[00:04:25] What if a child from another world crash landed on earth?

[00:04:28] But instead of becoming a hero to mankind, he proved to be something far more sinister.

[00:04:34] Yeah.

[00:04:36] When I finished watching the movie.

[00:04:40] The first thing that popped into my head was be careful what you wish for.

[00:04:46] Because of course, we have Kyle and Tori wishing for a child.

[00:04:55] And well, let's see.

[00:04:59] There you guys something.

[00:05:00] Yeah.

[00:05:02] I mean they got like a great 12 years out.

[00:05:05] He seemed like a really wonderful precious sweet little boy until something flaps.

[00:05:15] Yes, things definitely took a dark turn.

[00:05:20] I felt like this was an opportunity for us to get an alternate reality or kind of like a

[00:05:28] multiverse situation of like the Superman story.

[00:05:32] But also it reminded me kind of of the what if story like that we get with Marvel.

[00:05:41] Because it really is what if the power that Superman had was used for evil.

[00:05:54] And we really got to see that.

[00:05:56] I mean, yeah.

[00:05:58] It's hard though because it was a 12 year old kid.

[00:06:01] It's not like it's a 35 year old man that you, you know, just want them to stop him.

[00:06:07] It's like, what do you do when it's a child?

[00:06:08] It's definitely a lot of things we can talk about in that regard.

[00:06:13] Yeah, yeah.

[00:06:14] It's an interesting, yeah, because it's a fun kind of take on, yeah, it's like the Superman story or

[00:06:20] a story flipped on its head a little bit, you know, it's like, yes, re-telling of that story of like an alien baby with incredible

[00:06:27] powers and it's up on earth, but instead of like that synopsis set of of growing up and like having this noble idea of like with

[00:06:35] the power comes great responsibility. That's more of a Spider-Man thing, but you see what I'm saying.

[00:06:39] You know, that like, oh, so I'm here. I'm more powerful. I'm more capable than the humans on this earth.

[00:06:46] So it's my job to protect them and be be a hero versus if you flip it and it's like, oh, I'm more powerful and capable than all of these measly people.

[00:06:56] I could control this place. I could run this world. These are my puppets. These are my, you know, to get all it takes is that like just

[00:07:03] a difference of mindset that switch and I thought that was a really interesting concept for sure.

[00:07:07] It definitely is, and I know that they wanted to make more after this one.

[00:07:14] And unfortunately the right issue is just really difficult. James Gahn as recent as April of this year said that the issue with rights is made it impossible to really be able to proceed in doing more of the movies.

[00:07:32] Yeah, like a I referred to it because we'll go ahead and skipping because we can skip ahead because we don't have to recap.

[00:07:39] We don't have to if you watch TV and you're listening to this didn't go it because yeah, let's cut all the way till post credits.

[00:07:46] Yeah, we get Michael Rucker is this like conspiracy theorist youtuber which is really fun.

[00:07:52] But he's like uncovering bright burn, which again is the name of the town that they lived in but that was the name of this masked super villain child that is Brandon.

[00:08:06] He becomes like bright burn the bright burn and then you know uncovering what's the mystery of a bright burn this and then he kind of hints at what I called this evil injustice league with some underwater fish monster man.

[00:08:21] Oh, which woman strangles people with ropes.

[00:08:24] Yeah, you know, which is definitely like an aquaman and Wonder Woman hint and then of course there's like pictures on the screen of like an evil flash and evil Martian man hunter and like a mystery question mark that I can only seems like an evil Batman probably so in the shadows we still don't have any pictures of him.

[00:08:41] You know, where it definitely you can see ideas for like they could have expanded this and done something real wacky with it but they haven't for basically yeah rights issues in just time and.

[00:08:52] Apart from he's also like you know, it maybe it's fine that you don't though like don't over milk it like the concept.

[00:08:59] Maybe wouldn't have the legs to run super far past this one anyway. I don't know maybe James got to pull it off, but yeah, I don't know.

[00:09:06] I feel like James got and can pull a lot of things off so I think you could do it.

[00:09:13] I just think enough time is past that you really can't have like Jackson a done playing Brandon anymore.

[00:09:22] Right. I mean unless you have that kind of like a time jump and then it's like.

[00:09:25] But then you know, you're not dealing with kids which I don't know maybe you're not based on those pictures. I don't think they were wanting to anyway it looks like it was right so I don't know I'd bring Jackson a done back as.

[00:09:37] I mean he's not like adult adult he's a.

[00:09:40] You know older teen young adult I'm not sure exactly how old he was and is now because I did you know going on a DVD he hasn't really done much of anything. I think he's done like two like indie films since this.

[00:09:51] Yeah, he hasn't done anything. Now he's he's in his early 20s now.

[00:09:59] So yeah, I thought he was great in this role because he the way that he shifted between being Brandon and Brightburn.

[00:10:11] He could come off as this innocent 12 year old boy, but then also this menacing evil destructive.

[00:10:22] Yeah, but also like there's like a leather layer that rides between that I think he covered really well.

[00:10:30] Where even the times where he's oh sweet 12 year old innocent boy that's a mass he's putting on because we see he's such and like we'll go ahead and talk with Brandon's going to be the main character we're talking about so I think we'll just.

[00:10:46] Yeah, as we see he's like super genius level smart he just like sucks up information and just lives in his head where he's sitting there drawing.

[00:10:55] Not even paying attention until like a question pops up and he's like, oh let me download every single thing that guy could possibly tell you about that thing just off the top of my head. He's that smart.

[00:11:05] And so I think we see him adapt to like once he has this like clarification his head like, oh I'm a fucking god.

[00:11:13] And nobody on this planet is at my level and they're just insignificant bugs to me. But in order for me not to just like jump right into shit'sville.

[00:11:23] I've got to play the part of got to play the role for a little bit until things are right so he's like so I still have to be the quiet.

[00:11:31] Loving, goding, son and just like do my best to like go along with things and so you kind of see him kind of blank face just giving those like oh I'm sorry.

[00:11:40] You know like to where even when he's like being sweet you're like that's not real.

[00:11:46] It's just it's a facade that he's put on because I think once his brain tells him that he's more powerful and important than everybody he just sticks with that.

[00:11:53] And he's got this superior already complex.

[00:11:56] Given the point like his aunt slash guidance counselor he says he's just like oh it's it's fine. I just realized that I'm superior to them and anything they could ever be and I've come to grips with that is like I've come to accept that about myself and it's all good.

[00:12:11] Yeah, it sounded very sociopathic.

[00:12:14] Yeah absolutely and it reminds me of some episodes of law and order that I've seen where kids are the culprits and you see these tendencies and their reactions to things and it's it's very.

[00:12:29] I'm going to tell you some terrible things in this very calm voice and it sounds very sweet but not sweet at the same time because the delivery is very calm and making it seem like.

[00:12:48] It's not intense but it in reality it's very intense you know the things that he say.

[00:12:58] Yeah and there's a lot I mean obviously he was kind of we don't see it like in a really major way like he wasn't like I wouldn't necessarily say he was like bullied and like targeted too much but.

[00:13:09] But he was kind of because of just how smart he was I mean at that age smart kids get picked on and.

[00:13:17] He's just kind of dealing with that he's just kind of this like social outcast a little bit.

[00:13:22] Of course there's the one girl Caitlin in his class it's very supportive and sweet to him.

[00:13:28] And I like you know she just turns to him's like it's okay smart guys end up ruling the planet and he took that to heart.

[00:13:34] He really did you know the one thing that really surprised me is he didn't take any of the bullying out on the bullies instead he ended up hurting the one person who supported him.

[00:13:50] Well, yeah yes and no she definitely not to say in any way that I like she deserved it.

[00:13:58] No she but she definitely at that moment that that happened like yeah she had done him wrong I mean.

[00:14:09] She let him fall on the ground hit his head didn't catch him and then called him a perfect front of the whole class like true.

[00:14:15] Not really the most supportive in that moment he's definitely it was because of her that he was pissed off in that moment.

[00:14:23] Yes, again not saying what he did is right or justified but but that anger directed towards her was with reason yes, but he also snuck into her bedroom and scared the shit.

[00:14:34] Yeah, no absolutely that's like not cool even maybe but like again not to victim blame she could handle that in a different way of like.

[00:14:44] Confronting him or like talking to the teacher and being like hey he make before this situation I'm uncomfortable around him let's can we do something different can I not you know like.

[00:14:56] Being in that moment it's like again not going to justify what he did or victim blame and say she deserved it or could but like.

[00:15:03] The reason that like the fact that it happened was like in that moment she wasn't being supportive of him if he had this like reason.

[00:15:11] To have anger towards her again not justified not a good reason not something I'd be like oh no she had it coming no absolutely not but.

[00:15:20] In his mind where he was at it was like.

[00:15:23] Like is it like the one person who had been supportive of him and then he reached like in his own weird not good way.

[00:15:31] Had like tried to like reach out to her and it went wrong and so obviously yeah that's going to cause problems with her.

[00:15:39] And then he's just it's this cycle and then he's retaliating against her because of the way that she feels about him because of what he did yeah.

[00:15:47] Well I mean he kind of was following his dad's advice.

[00:15:54] Yeah yeah he took his dad's advice of it's okay to act on urges sometimes which.

[00:16:01] Well okay not sure that was appropriate advice it's like well here's I'm going to get in this weird like not going to open this can work we're not going to go down the too far but a whole with this.

[00:16:13] It's not bad advice.

[00:16:17] It definitely requires way more thorough clarification on what instances of urges are acceptable or not acceptable.

[00:16:28] There's a whole layer of conversation about consent that is completely skipped over or not talked about maybe some kind of a little adendum of like also don't be creepiest fuck.

[00:16:39] You know things like that.

[00:16:42] Well I think his dad was thinking about something else when he was trying to vaguely.

[00:16:49] Yeah and as I said like when it comes to what his dad was talking about.

[00:16:54] Letting yourself be okay with exploring your own sexuality and being like open with your body through like I don't want to again it's a weird thing so like I don't have.

[00:17:07] Kids so I haven't had to have that talk with with a kid and even the kids I work with that's not my place to have that conversation with them.

[00:17:15] So it's not something I'm but like I know enough from like.

[00:17:19] No like body positivity and sex positivity so like no it's it's not bad advice you don't want kids feeling shameful about their own feelings and like bodies and things that they because it's just not natural human.

[00:17:31] So like it's not bad advice it's just like it was worded and presented very poorly and Brandon where he was at mentally took that advice that could have been good and like.

[00:17:46] You know downloaded it in the wrong way and took it in a very different like in bad way.

[00:17:52] Yeah because he used it to go stalk her.

[00:17:56] Caitlin. He used it to go stalk Caitlin and then he broke her hand I mean he crushed her hand crushed it.

[00:18:08] I did notice when Brandon will think is Caitlin when she's being nice to him in class kind of backing up to that and then also his mother Tory.

[00:18:18] In the opening scene the day that he crash landed both of them had purple dye in there yes I noticed that it means anything at all it was just an interesting little detail of like this like if there's some reason he's like making this like connection or something I don't know they don't expand on it I don't know that means anything but it's just like a little detail that.

[00:18:35] I picked up on it was like ha. Yeah they were other things I noticed too though that like reminded me so much or connected me to the alter ego of Superman things like the mask like he wore the mask or he took the mask off and it reminded me of the glasses that Clark Kent would always wear and suddenly he'd be Superman.

[00:19:03] Also he lifted up a truck that's what Clark did as a kid like that's when his parents really started to see that he was really different.

[00:19:14] So those were just you know those are a couple of things plus the red the red afghan.

[00:19:20] Like there were moments before he gets caught and before he connects with the red orb in the barn where.

[00:19:33] The color of the of the afghan is like the color of the cape that Superman wear.

[00:19:39] And it's it's kind of that like there's a familial connection to that and this is something I don't know if there was anything that's filmed and then cut out or if he just wasn't explained but like because I was like you know the cape and the mask was like where did this mask come from he just came up with that somehow is like I mean kind of looks a little bit badass for something some kid through together last second.

[00:20:01] Yes, and then I was looking at like the.

[00:20:07] The cloth in the way that it looked and then something clicked when a Kyle though the father is having that weird.

[00:20:16] Nightmare version of his memory of the day that he landed and the baby is all swaddled in a blanket and I realized the cape in the mask I think were made.

[00:20:25] From the blanket he was wrapped in as a baby and I don't know if that was a blanket that story had and brought out there and wrapped him up in or if that blanket he was inside the ship wouldn't be.

[00:20:38] Yeah, and I don't know that if something was filmed and cut or whatever and I could be wrong but based off just kind of my son and looking at it looked like.

[00:20:45] The blanket he was wrapped in in a baby when he was found was used to make his.

[00:20:51] Clot costume for Brightburn so there was like this like group connection within him to it.

[00:20:57] Yeah, you know they were just different moments like the coloring of one point he was wearing like a blue and or I think he was in bed.

[00:21:09] And he was wearing blue pajamas and the red afghan it just all.

[00:21:14] Yeah absolutely little nods to yeah.

[00:21:17] Okay yeah that could be.

[00:21:21] But um, and plus the red glowing thing in the barn that they kept locked up.

[00:21:33] Yeah, this space at the land in it which yeah they locked kept it locked in the barn kept everything a secret from him.

[00:21:40] Told it and just oh yeah you were adopted and which that opens up just a hole.

[00:21:47] I don't even know we have time to go into it too much.

[00:21:50] But it's this it's an interesting look of nature versus nurture that idea.

[00:21:55] Yeah right of yeah they lied to him until he was 12 whenever he found it on his own about the truth of where he came from and that he wasn't actually adopted from some adoption agency.

[00:22:07] But he was literally an alien baby that crathly ended on earth and they took him in and how do you tell the kid that like an expect him to be able to wrap his head around that.

[00:22:17] And so we see that like yeah the briars loved him unconditionally they raised him well they were attentive parents they were good parents.

[00:22:24] But like whatever is in his nature whatever he is like that was there that's ingrained within him and like if they would have been even more honest more open.

[00:22:36] Could things have been different if they would have told him sooner and like helped him channel his abilities or understanding some self versus him finding out later and doing it alone would that have made a difference.

[00:22:49] I don't know who's to say.

[00:22:53] Because also you know when he has that like the thing kind of activates and the lights are glowing and he's like waking up in the middle of the night eyes glowing red chanting.

[00:23:00] Chicago got cold at least that's what it sounded like.

[00:23:04] But you know take the world where that's that's coming from the ship there's the nature part of it is it's a directive so it's almost like he was sent to earth to fulfill a purpose of control and domination.

[00:23:17] Yeah.

[00:23:18] So maybe there's absolutely nothing they could have done that was like some mentoring you know like you know winner soldier thing that's in his head that like when it activates it activates and there's nothing they could have done who knows.

[00:23:31] Yeah it's kind of like it was his destiny for it to happen and it glowing red reminds me of.

[00:23:38] Red crypt tonight always affects Superman in a really weird way.

[00:23:43] And so I thought okay well it's red so it's affecting him obviously in a very strange way.

[00:23:54] And he's evil.

[00:23:57] Mm hmm.

[00:24:00] But yeah so it leaves things open ended on that like where's like like I said was a directive like.

[00:24:05] You know awakening in him that like no matter what that was going to be or.

[00:24:09] Was it you know because he was lied to and all that kind of boils over because there is that.

[00:24:15] And you know it's easy for some people I'm sure to look like this and be like.

[00:24:20] Oh boo who they didn't tell you you they were trying to keep this weird thing from you but they didn't really lie to you.

[00:24:24] And it's like why are you just going this huge fit meltdown over it.

[00:24:27] It's like well it's valid rage of being a child who's been lied to in like at his age any younger.

[00:24:37] That may seem small.

[00:24:39] But like to kids I think I've had this exact thing before on this podcast to kids small things are truly as important as big things.

[00:24:48] I don't remember I feel like I've said that exact thing.

[00:24:50] I think you have in a recent episode.

[00:24:53] But yeah and those small things with them should be treated as such with them.

[00:24:59] They should be treated as big because to them they are and they need to be looked at.

[00:25:03] Has big problems even if they're little problems you treat them as a big problem and you help them through it and I'm back on my mentorship mode box.

[00:25:11] It's just things that I've learned and applied over years and years of working with with kids none of them have had superpowers.

[00:25:17] No.

[00:25:19] Yet we'll know what that will say.

[00:25:24] Yeah, it's really I opening to see this story depicted in such a way that it goes the opposite of what we all have seen before in the telling of this story.

[00:25:41] And I actually really liked it because I think we often ask ourselves the question well how would my life have been affected by things if it had gone in this direction instead of that direction.

[00:25:58] Like if something bad had happened at that point or something else had stepped into steer me in a different direction.

[00:26:06] And I think in this movie we got to see what it was like when a story that we knew very well was impacted by different factors.

[00:26:21] Yes, you know I mean they kept these little references like it's incandes us.

[00:26:28] You know those types of things that made you feel connected because you knew the story and I think because you're so comfortable with it.

[00:26:37] All the little things that happened you're just kind of like wait a minute.

[00:26:42] This is this is way, you know it's just way different.

[00:26:48] And I liked it. I'd like to see similar stories in not all of the superheroes but in some of the other ones also why not let us see someone like poison ivy.

[00:27:06] If things had gone well for her like what she would have done you know it'd be cool to see the flip side of that too.

[00:27:13] Absolutely yeah, you have be interesting.

[00:27:15] Yeah, I'm trying to think of like other little like differences.

[00:27:18] I mean I guess like in the Superman story most of the time like Clark learns of his powers.

[00:27:25] And instead of hiding them he's very much like look what I can do and then it's more of his parents being like that's great.

[00:27:32] Let's figure this out. Let's tamp them down. Let's make sure that we're doing things correctly and in here.

[00:27:39] You know he's got these dark voices in his head that's like revealing these powers to him after the fact and I was like,

[00:27:45] I don't know creepy cryptic dark voices in my head are not sticking hand in a running longer blade doesn't seem.

[00:27:51] Oh my god.

[00:27:53] But because of that like he knows he's got super strength to this point of like invincibility.

[00:27:57] And I was like yeah he's still like a 12 year old boy though like I'm a little surprised that he doesn't go running immediately to his mom and like my god super powers but again with kind of Brandon specifically this genius.

[00:28:13] That's within him and I think because of how smart he is at that age.

[00:28:17] The other part of his brain takes over of like let me run down this list of all problems and worries that that might bring it very, really.

[00:28:25] I reveal that I have these abilities like so he keeps it to himself and that could be another thing like because he had nobody to guide him and he just did it all on his own that that could also have led to different.

[00:28:38] I don't know.

[00:28:38] Again, it's it's the whole thing about different experiences create different results and by not having the family support is there on a where of it.

[00:28:54] It pushes him in a different direction and he and then they just I weren't prepared I don't know for I mean kids change you kids snap a little bit drastically change at this age anyway.

[00:29:06] I do even before the.

[00:29:07] For buyers were not ready for super puberty.

[00:29:12] No, no they definitely were not and they were really loving family I mean Tori and Kyle really really loved him and you know we'll talk about them a little bit we can talk about the people that played them because that was also.

[00:29:26] Yeah, a fun surprise for me because again I had no idea what I was walking into.

[00:29:32] Yeah, so it was like oh okay this is great.

[00:29:36] Yeah, there were fun but yeah this a few of those moments for me so yeah fun cast we'll talk about yeah sure.

[00:29:43] But yeah and so it's like then he kind of get to these like we're moments yeah super puberty where yeah he's I mean obviously.

[00:29:51] There's just normal it's not the usual body changes that he's going through and it it's it's much different and so Kyle's not really sure how to.

[00:30:03] Reactive is like well that was maybe at least top 10 most awkward the talk moments yeah all time.

[00:30:09] Yeah, I don't know if I could do any better.

[00:30:12] I don't have to worry about it so it's okay.

[00:30:15] But you know even just looking through like things like going to his room and finding stuff was like you know typical twin boy not listening to his parents he's starting to take a little special interest in things like girls and yeah could have her so you know normal things.

[00:30:33] Yeah, his body was going through changes you know like like a child does go in through changes.

[00:30:43] And that will be on pakes run through your lives.

[00:30:49] But his body's going through the normal changes so that you would get in puberty the his eyes are turning red and and they go up in the dark I mean that's what you go through right.

[00:30:59] You're you're a guy.

[00:31:01] Yeah, that hits it 12 right?

[00:31:03] Yeah absolutely.

[00:31:06] You know sleep walking not really a body thing but.

[00:31:12] I mean your body does it.

[00:31:13] Yeah it does.

[00:31:15] It definitely does.

[00:31:17] Yeah, just going going from having a crush on Caitlin to doing a crush on her.

[00:31:22] Man I felt for her because even though you say well she wasn't at the time she didn't deserve it as you said.

[00:31:30] No absolutely.

[00:31:32] And he was creepy because he took what his father said literally.

[00:31:38] Yeah, I get like.

[00:31:40] Those I met well and I'm like that piece of advice this sometimes it's okay to act on herges it's like.

[00:31:47] Sure that's great advice if you clarify what you mean by that.

[00:31:51] Specify what urges you're talking about because showing up in this girl's bedroom in the middle of the night not one that you should that's not what he's talking about.

[00:32:01] No and the music what was the song on the laptop like that seemed like a really like old school song how on earth did he know about it.

[00:32:10] It sounded like old like 50s or 60s.

[00:32:17] Yeah, which are get we don't think we don't know.

[00:32:21] Well, I was going to say we don't know what time period this was it but no they were using cell phones.

[00:32:24] Yeah, yeah, so no yeah it was Matt modern right current day so yeah yeah I don't know.

[00:32:32] Maybe he's just one of those kind of like unique kids who just gravitate towards older music there they're out there well he's maybe an old soul.

[00:32:42] Yeah, I do know someone like that.

[00:32:45] That's kind of an old soul in a millennial body.

[00:32:50] Yeah, so he's never it's you know one of those little interesting things that Kyle throws at his like he's never blood he's never bird he's never said well so like his like body.

[00:33:02] Invincibility is kind of been a thing since he was a little and yeah.

[00:33:05] That's interesting of course until now the ship actually cuts him as he falls on it after he's floating above the ground chanting creepily.

[00:33:18] Yeah, as one does.

[00:33:22] Yeah, they're just like once things activate he gets creepy and like you just see him it's very much a different person.

[00:33:32] I had to like I wrote down just the exactly quote the scene of the second time he shows up creepy in Caitlin's bedroom this I want to tell you what I learned tonight I learned that I'm very special you're one of the only people in the world that know how special I am.

[00:33:46] But someday they will all know so it's just like like the most ominous most creepy and then the way that she goes my mom told me not to talk to you and he goes I'm going to take care of that.

[00:33:56] Oh, yeah.

[00:33:58] And he's just gone.

[00:34:02] Immediately you're like well that's not going to be good.

[00:34:05] Yeah, he took care of it and I thought of you when she was pulling the glass out of the glass.

[00:34:11] I started the eye.

[00:34:14] Far, I hate it so much.

[00:34:17] I totally knew you were going to have problems because we're got about that part.

[00:34:22] And they showed it like her pulling the glass out and I'm just like yeah, I really didn't need to see all of that you know at least with Caitlin's hand getting crushed it was very quick.

[00:34:34] You really didn't see I mean you saw it but it was fast and.

[00:34:38] Yeah, they were on to other things so it wasn't like a slow process with her it was slowly pulling the glass out and I'm just like oh man it did create this really bizarre.

[00:34:52] Blood red on one side clear on the other way that was really cool.

[00:34:58] It was very cool.

[00:35:01] I'm sure it didn't feel cool but it looked cool.

[00:35:04] Yeah, I was Brandon really embracing the logo that he drew for himself.

[00:35:10] I mean it's kind of cool. I think it would have been great for him if he would have taken a path as a musician or something instead of murderous super villain.

[00:35:19] Yes.

[00:35:20] Used it as a great you know album logo or like it does make such a great album logo and I wondered it's his initials but also it's the baby is bright bird too.

[00:35:34] So it's kind of dual purpose I think and he's attached to it like he's been drawing it and leaving play.

[00:35:43] Yeah, like a serial killer with like a calling car is legit what like he leaves it on the windows all over the diner like paints he leaves his little finger painting art project on the side of the road after killing his uncle.

[00:35:58] And then even at the end after he's thrown a plane into his house.

[00:36:02] Oh my god.

[00:36:03] You can see again and blood written on the side of the way.

[00:36:06] Taylor the plane he left his little bright bird.

[00:36:10] Calling card Brandon, Brian, calling card there.

[00:36:14] Yeah.

[00:36:16] That was creepy.

[00:36:19] That was very creepy.

[00:36:22] And that's what yeah, I mean he had completely transitioned at that point to being the bad child.

[00:36:31] The super villain.

[00:36:33] Which is just popping up around in different parts of the diner and then I've again I hadn't seen this since.

[00:36:40] The theater so I was trying to remember like does he lock her in there and just let her like freeze it was like oh no he's like full on laser beam eyes rip the doors off it's just it's so cool.

[00:36:51] Like part of me I'm like should I feel a little bit bad about Erica maybe but like also she was a real dick and said some pretty awful things about him so like yeah.

[00:37:01] Yeah, I know.

[00:37:04] Yeah.

[00:37:06] Like I like the Tory telling her off of being like if talking trash about a 12 year old child makes you sleep better at night then maybe you're the one that needs some help.

[00:37:15] I was like yeah yeah.

[00:37:17] Tory was a mama bear and we'll talk about her in a minute but she was definitely a mama bear.

[00:37:25] But I think you know the circus one thing but where he really crosses a line is once he starts targeting his family his aunt and uncle.

[00:37:38] It's it's the impulsive behavior of a kid his age amplified through this lens yes right kids are very impulsive.

[00:37:47] But man I get that creepy thing where he is at the door and just the way that delivery I don't know why Jackson doesn't have it done more but and again I'm not going to say I mean he's in his early 20s now so maybe stuff like kids who don't continue acting I'll never hold that against him because it's like be a kid do things.

[00:38:06] You want to do.

[00:38:08] But he delivered that like creepiness well that just whole like you said something by talking to the sheriff it's like.

[00:38:15] Yeah, you shouldn't do that it'll be bad for everybody bad for the sheriff bad for me bad for you.

[00:38:20] I know but just the way the like delivers he's like will be safe sweetie and he goes okay you too.

[00:38:29] No don't like.

[00:38:30] I couldn't figure out did he kill her?

[00:38:34] No no.

[00:38:36] And she definitely doesn't want to have him come live with her I mean at the end of the movie.

[00:38:43] He took out his mom and his dad and his uncle so all that's left is his aunt.

[00:38:49] I wouldn't want him to come live with me.

[00:38:53] No I'm glad that she was.

[00:38:56] Unheard.

[00:38:58] Yeah I mean like shit me she lost her husband she lost her family.

[00:39:03] But like.

[00:39:05] I feel like it'd be too far for for Brandon because she was like just very sweet honest caring school counselor and I was like that's just an important person that kids need and you have no reason to take her out.

[00:39:19] So I'm glad that if anybody's making it through it was her.

[00:39:23] Yeah I mean she seemed really shocked when he was talking to her or answering her questions about feeling bad about what he did to Caitlin.

[00:39:36] Yeah it just seeing him be so stone faced and emotionless and say things in a very manner of fact way without any you know no inflection it's just.

[00:39:51] Yeah and again he wasn't good enough at putting that facade on of like yeah he could fake being like huh calm and you know but he couldn't really fake.

[00:40:04] Actual like empathy or care for other humans like at that point later that's something he couldn't really fake.

[00:40:11] And then comes yeah that answer where she said do you feel bad about you did to Caitlin he's like well.

[00:40:17] Sometimes when you know bad things happen to people it's for a good reason and like that's the only thing you can come up with.

[00:40:23] Yeah it's not right that's yeah it's definitely not something.

[00:40:28] That you want to be saying if you're being evaluated.

[00:40:34] You know and I feel like if she hadn't been his I mean she's the de facto guidance counselor and I feel like if she hadn't had to be the guidance counselor her husband would probably still be alive.

[00:40:49] Yeah because no it was just in like wrong place wrong time where he walked in and saw Brandon there and.

[00:40:58] Again it's that impulsiveness of a kid because it was just this idea of like you're in trouble get in the truck I'm taking you back to your parents I'm going to tell them what you're doing like you're being weird.

[00:41:09] And it was just like this impulsant is like a little kid who.

[00:41:13] Panics and acts out because he doesn't want to be in trouble it's just.

[00:41:17] It makes it worse amplified to the superhero with super strength and laser eyes ability you know where it's a lot worse the way he lashes out.

[00:41:28] Poor Noah that was really sad because Noah really loved him he bought him a gun like he went against his parents wishes and bought him a gun.

[00:41:40] Yeah I mean to me him and his aunt seemed very much like the cool aunt nunkle.

[00:41:48] They would want to have you know the ones who would get you the cool presence.

[00:41:54] And then it's like flipped on its head.

[00:41:59] Because Noah finds him in his closet wearing a creepy mask.

[00:42:06] It's not creepy yes it is Brandon don't tell yourself.

[00:42:10] You're not fooling anybody dude I know it's very creepy.

[00:42:14] Okay yeah.

[00:42:17] Also it's like the middle of the night don't be standing in your closet.

[00:42:21] Yeah no it's very good it's so creepy.

[00:42:27] And Noah had had a couple of drinks but not enough drinks that he should be having hallucinations I mean he knows it's real.

[00:42:38] So.

[00:42:40] It just ended up being such a.

[00:42:43] So disappointing I guess it really ended up being disappointing because I really was hoping that they would make it I was hoping his family would make it.

[00:42:53] But also when you have stories like this you have to really be ready for bad things to happen and no one making it out.

[00:43:03] Yeah and especially when we get to the end because then everything just.

[00:43:07] And then he just grabbed up from there I mean he literally had his dad attempt to kill him in the woods.

[00:43:13] Which didn't work out so of course yeah he's just like well Brando's go and scorched earth at this point.

[00:43:21] Yep and then on the phone his mom knows the truth about him so.

[00:43:25] Guess she's next a little aside from the sheriff's department who show up so they can get smashed all over the lawn in the house.

[00:43:34] The sheriff's death was so like I knew it was coming but for it to be that way I was like okay.

[00:43:43] He has no trouble like destroying people basically I mean what he did to his uncle with the I mean flip in the car up and then dropping it down not only lifting it up but like lifting it up so it's vertical and dropping it down.

[00:44:03] And his uncle's face hit the steering wheel and his jaw was just completely removed.

[00:44:10] Yeah, uh you know I've mentioned a lot on this podcast like with certain movies that have a scene or an image that immediately comes to mind when the name of the movie comes up.

[00:44:20] Right brink this is it is Noah's death scene is him in the flip truck with his jaw just completely hanging off.

[00:44:27] Anytime break burn comes to mind it's like like the little flashes of my brain is like Brandon with the mask floating in the air and then Noah's jaw.

[00:44:36] It's like boom he's like yeah that movie I know exactly yep.

[00:44:42] Yeah and then his hand that.

[00:44:44] He's holding at trying to keep.

[00:44:47] Yeah, but I love Matt Jones in that moment.

[00:44:52] Before that moment though whenever he's like trying to get away and then like you know the car stalls out and then he's like hitting the lights come on and.

[00:44:59] Brandon stand there in the road and then the headlights turn off and then he bangs on again they come back on and he's floating in the air into a note nope nope nope nope nope.

[00:45:12] I don't want anything to do with this in the work.

[00:45:16] Oh no it's like if you close your eyes thinking if you open them it's going to get better and it doesn't it never gets better it's just a mess.

[00:45:24] He doesn't even know how to process this is like his neck is wearing the creepy mask floating in the air he's like.

[00:45:31] No just no.

[00:45:33] What do you think are Damien.

[00:45:36] Damien is another movie that we should cover at some point is the home and.

[00:45:42] Yeah Matt Jones to throw him out there real quick as.

[00:45:46] Do you see him as uncle Noah he is another.

[00:45:50] Adam of the office on the show him and David Denman of course that played Kyle there was Roy on the office and then Matt Jones played I can't remember the character he was Dwight's cousin.

[00:46:07] He was a hero.

[00:46:07] No he wasn't.

[00:46:09] He wasn't.

[00:46:09] He was like near the end of the show.

[00:46:17] He was.

[00:46:18] He was a.

[00:46:21] Yeah.

[00:46:23] They popped up in a few episodes.

[00:46:25] Of course the most people are going to know him as badger from breaking bad which finally I started watching breaking bad I'm a season and a half in.

[00:46:36] And badger is a riot.

[00:46:39] Yeah I love Matt Jones he's great he was also I didn't watch the show all the time I picked up random episodes here there at work.

[00:46:46] The show mom with.

[00:46:51] Anna Ferris yeah on a Ferris and yeah he was like her ex has been there something and you know was kind of like.

[00:47:03] Shared custody with their son or whatever and like the little bit of son at me he was fun.

[00:47:08] The little boy that played his son.

[00:47:10] This is like a random because I listened to like office ladies and all that so there was going to be like this is a weird tangent but there was going to be an office spin off called the farm which was going to star rain Wilson as Dwight.

[00:47:24] Leaving Dunder Mifflin and then just working on his beat farm.

[00:47:27] And then Matt Jones as his cousin or whatever was going to be a regular on that show also was there on the farm.

[00:47:34] And then this little boy I don't know the name of the actor played Dwight's nephew.

[00:47:40] Who's going to be on that show and then Matt Jones went on to be the father of that same little boy on mom after the farm pilot you know didn't work out and they didn't go with that show.

[00:47:51] It's just a funny little like random.

[00:47:54] I had heard about the spin off.

[00:47:56] I don't remember him on the office but I definitely do for breaking bad.

[00:48:05] It wasn't fun to watch him meet his end the way he did here.

[00:48:10] It was gruesome.

[00:48:13] But a lot of the deaths were gruesome.

[00:48:17] Like yeah there wasn't like a ton of them but like they made them impactful encounter.

[00:48:21] Yeah they were gross made the sheriff and then the deputy was just all like the skin ripped off all like a thing is this is the terrifying.

[00:48:32] I mean it is it's kind of like the terrifyinger the skin thing that is one take I don't know if we should ever cover.

[00:48:43] I don't know.

[00:48:44] I was actually I was at a the speaker easier in town the like earlier this week and the people like the bartender and the people like manager and they're working their big like horror movie people too.

[00:48:56] We were talking actually about this podcast is talking telling them hello about this and we were talking about different movies and terrifier came up and one of them was like I haven't seen it since you have the podcast and there's just like.

[00:49:07] What are your your takes on those those movies and my response because I wasn't going to give anything away but I was just like maybe I'm just desensitized to a lot of things because like yeah it's super gory and super gruesome but like this whole idea people like.

[00:49:22] Getting sick and throwing up and passing out and leaving the theater not being able to handle it I was like I watched both of them back to back in one night and like yeah they're pretty over the top gory and stuff but like.

[00:49:33] Dunpovolvery is like maybe I'm just desensitized as like like honestly like the really fucked up parts of those movies I'm not like horrified I'm going.

[00:49:40] Oh wow that's really cool how did they do that the practical effects of my god prosthetic because I was like I want to know what kind of prosthetic work went into that because that's fucking cool like that's what I'm paying attention to while watching that stuff like.

[00:49:52] I don't know how they did that.

[00:49:53] The second film you talk about how oh when I hear that movie I think of that scene there's a scene in the second film.

[00:50:03] Yeah it's all going to be like.

[00:50:05] God help me.

[00:50:07] Yeah.

[00:50:09] Yeah because I think those movies take it so far to where like it doesn't even bother me anymore because it's just so much that like I'm.

[00:50:17] The like practical effects nerd in me is just like oh this is cool I want to know how they did that.

[00:50:21] I think at some point we should do an episode where we talk about what our favorite use of practical effects have been in the movies we've covered.

[00:50:31] I think we should do that I'll put it on the list.

[00:50:36] All right anyway weird tangents we like talking about the office and terrified anyway.

[00:50:44] This is the only podcast we often scare fire can be tied together in the same tangent.

[00:50:50] We love our tangents.

[00:50:53] Yeah back to this yeah again you mentioned something I was going to play off of is he said that he has no problem just killing people and destroying people.

[00:51:04] And so that makes it even more terrifying I guess of the way that he's dealing with his mother or a story at the end where he's it's cat and mouse he's literally toying with her like you can see he's enjoying this he is fully like.

[00:51:18] It is cat and mouse this is his prey this is his like that he's like yeah I could just destroy her obliterate her in a second like I did the sheriff or Erica but it's like.

[00:51:29] But no this is he's having fun this is a game to him he's again it's it's a different kind of pleasure urge that he's.

[00:51:37] You know allowing himself to to go after but that's what this is it's kind of circles back in way it's it's a different kind of urge that you should allow yourself to follow the his dad is talking about and another way to now he's like he's got these violent.

[00:51:52] Virges and these like very sick twisted and he's allowing himself to just enjoy it and find pleasure in it in that way.

[00:52:01] Yeah, he's gotten very sadistic in the things that he's done and even pulling his mother and taking her at the very end up into the clouds way way way way up into the clouds what you might have me of Superman and lowest and I think it was the first movie again I haven't watched it in such a long time.

[00:52:20] But I remember he took her up into the clouds at one point so I'm like oh that's kind of like what happened then but he also didn't drop her.

[00:52:32] Yeah to go down it's like he.

[00:52:34] The it's the sadisticness and him how can I kill her and make it even more insane or crazy or brutal.

[00:52:45] Yeah, I mean in the way he took his father out by just burning a hole in his head.

[00:52:52] You know and again, kind of in Tory this was their child that they wanted you know and it just happened to land there.

[00:53:10] And he loved I mean I thought he loved his parents, but I think the reason their deaths were even more brutal is because he did love them.

[00:53:24] And when they turned on him that was the ultimate betrayal.

[00:53:31] And he absolutely could not reconcile it at 12.

[00:53:34] Yeah, I don't know if he ever would have hurt them.

[00:53:37] Aside from that, but it was at that point where's like they've literally abandoned me to the point that they both tried to kill me.

[00:53:44] Right.

[00:53:44] Like okay then then all bats are off.

[00:53:50] Obviously that's humanity has failed me once again.

[00:53:52] I am better than humans because I would never want to kill the people I love you know.

[00:53:57] I mean of course I don't know because he killed his uncle Noah and then sit there straight face then the next morning go and like I'm hurt him.

[00:54:04] So yeah who knows.

[00:54:07] But he drew everything in his notebook like all the other deaths he drew them out.

[00:54:16] And that's when Tory realizes that her husband was right because she sees all of this in that notebook.

[00:54:26] And he's drawn it in great detail along with his calling card.

[00:54:33] And you know at the very end would he's sitting in the ambulance or you just you know.

[00:54:39] And you hear the over like the voice over or the.

[00:54:45] The souls that he's the soul survivor like the newsroom.

[00:54:49] Yeah, yeah I mean everyone who would have suspected anything about him is gone at this point except for his aunt but I don't know if she's ever going to.

[00:54:57] And he's not a fair speak to anybody again about anything.

[00:55:00] No, but yeah I mean he's just like throw an airplane at the house get a cookie call it a day.

[00:55:06] Yeah, except continue to be a super villain doing super villain shit that's still going to be part of the daily plan.

[00:55:14] Yeah it was the agenda it was interesting.

[00:55:18] After he drops his mother in that plane is coming up think of what is he going to do to that plane.

[00:55:23] Like is he going to crash it down and then the next.

[00:55:26] I mean the next frame is basically the plane had crash I mean it's perfect way to kill his parents or quote kill his parents.

[00:55:37] Yeah and that's it like he's on his own.

[00:55:43] And who knows where he would have ended up after that except we know that he's out causing more mayhem.

[00:55:50] Yep just having the time of his life.

[00:55:56] Yep for sure.

[00:55:59] Just you know just a young teenage kid out there being crazy and wild and having fun live in life.

[00:56:06] You know he just started going through puberty you know it was going to be worse.

[00:56:10] Okay.

[00:56:12] Yeah.

[00:56:12] My puberty's bad enough this was just the beginning.

[00:56:16] Super puberty.

[00:56:18] It's a whole new level.

[00:56:21] What is the name of the cartoon that's on Netflix?

[00:56:24] It's about puberty.

[00:56:26] Oh big mouth that's yeah I was singing that earlier that's what that whole that's what that was earlier.

[00:56:32] The theme song did to Big Now.

[00:56:35] Yeah.

[00:56:35] Go in through changes.

[00:56:40] You can just imagine just how bad it's going to get.

[00:56:45] Yeah at least now those kids had super bad.

[00:56:47] No no they did not have a lot of other way of things about him.

[00:56:50] No super bad.

[00:56:55] But yeah I think that's that covers everything that I have for Brandon.

[00:56:59] I feel like we yeah we covered most of the movie through Brandon but there is still a couple things here and there.

[00:57:05] I feel like a few things mainly Tory and Kyler have together.

[00:57:10] Talk about a lot of them which we haven't.

[00:57:12] There they be yeah Elizabeth Banks and David Denman.

[00:57:16] Two people I very much enjoy seeing so always.

[00:57:18] Yeah I was surprised and excited.

[00:57:22] The last thing that we talked about that had Elizabeth Banks connected was cocaine bear.

[00:57:28] She was the director cocaine bear.

[00:57:30] Yeah so it's great to be able to talk about her again.

[00:57:34] Really enjoyed her character and what she brought to the role.

[00:57:41] And the fact that she was a fierce mama bear like she was going to defend her child.

[00:57:47] Unfortunately when Kyle said he wanted to take his son out on a camping trip or whatever for the weekend I knew what he was going to do.

[00:57:54] And I knew it was going to go out.

[00:57:56] Absolutely.

[00:57:57] It's like really Tory.

[00:58:02] That's you really you're really buying that like I wouldn't buy that like how many times leading up to that has Kyel literally said we need to do something about it.

[00:58:11] We should have done something about him.

[00:58:12] We got to do something about him.

[00:58:15] And then for him to go I'm going to take him out somewhere remote just the two of us.

[00:58:18] It's like that doesn't set off all the red flags in your head.

[00:58:22] Tory like she's known better. What are you exactly?

[00:58:26] And Kyle's reaction to Noah giving Brandon the gun and then taking it away from Brandon so we can't even look at it.

[00:58:35] And then getting upset because Brandon was upset about it.

[00:58:39] I'm kind of like well you know yeah you should have expected that you taking the gun and not allowing him to even look at it really.

[00:58:49] Was going to elicit a pissed off response.

[00:58:53] Yeah Kyle a good father loving father very much so yeah.

[00:59:00] But yeah he just he was also kind of impulsive and I think his reactions.

[00:59:07] Even if this was just some normal kid without superpowers and a murder of a fish was at least you know any other normal kid going through puberty and stuff probably just.

[00:59:20] Kyle's kind of abrasiveness on some of his stuff.

[00:59:24] He would have butted heads with any normal.

[00:59:27] He's a little more aggressive he's a little more just like.

[00:59:34] Yeah let me yell at you about something before sitting down and calmly talking to you about it and it's a fault but like also doesn't make him like a bad person or a bad daddy either like because he's doing it out of love because he cares and he's worried.

[00:59:47] Yes and he honestly.

[00:59:52] Kids at that age are pushing the boundaries as much as they can.

[00:59:56] They're going to try to get away with what they can even before that.

[01:00:01] Kids just start to push boundaries and I think and feel like Brandon was starting to do that.

[01:00:08] As a 12 year old. He's a preteen.

[01:00:12] What he's gonna do is it gets what kids do.

[01:00:15] Yeah.

[01:00:16] So you've got to have like that level of like understanding and patience and like just.

[01:00:22] Roll with it because the more you butt heads with it, this the harder they're going to fight back.

[01:00:27] Yes.

[01:00:28] Yeah you have to pick your battles really with kids.

[01:00:32] Yeah.

[01:00:32] The most important ones.

[01:00:34] Yeah.

[01:00:36] Yeah I mean it was when you could tell like he took it as a blessing.

[01:00:39] They'd been trying unsuccessfully for a while it seems.

[01:00:43] And so it's like you know all they want was was it baby and then next they know one falls literally in there.

[01:00:50] Well, field.

[01:00:54] From space.

[01:00:55] The Stoach got a little off course.

[01:00:59] Yeah.

[01:00:59] And delivered it within some sort of metal machine.

[01:01:03] Spaceship.

[01:01:06] Interesting getting like the home footage earlier because looking at it.

[01:01:10] I feel like I know exactly what they did is it looks like they took actual home footage of Jackson Dunn as a baby and a toddler.

[01:01:21] They just took footage that his actual parents have taken and then added a voiceover from banks and denmen,

[01:01:28] which was really interesting because I kind of put myself as like I had to feel a little weird to like Jackson's actual parents watching like their kids home footage that they took of him with commentary from these actors.

[01:01:40] I think they do similar things that when they're trying to pass off that old stock like not stock footage, but old footage.

[01:01:51] Yeah.

[01:01:51] I've seen other times where it's just some other random like babies and toddler actors that like they pretend.

[01:01:58] But like looking at this kid's face the baby, I was even like oh that's that's an actual baby Jackson he done like that's that's actual like home footage of him as a little baby

[01:02:08] they like borrowed from his family and used it in this movie that's interesting.

[01:02:12] They didn't have a lot even with pictures like yeah of course.

[01:02:15] They just cut out things and take photos and photoshopped it all together sometimes it's done well sometimes not so much.

[01:02:25] Like this one I never even want to notice it like the first time in theaters but again with the podcast lens,

[01:02:30] I'm watching that like footage with like hearing Elizabeth Banks and David didn't mean like oh do that you know like say like oh look

[01:02:37] yeah what are you doing oh you're so cute and I was like clearly that this is like 80 R.

[01:02:45] It was like Elizabeth Banks and David did men are standing in a studio recording these lines while watching this footage.

[01:02:54] Yeah I can tell I can hear that.

[01:02:56] Yeah it's like.

[01:03:01] Yeah it's.

[01:03:03] And I do have to say to the CGI was a little bit.

[01:03:08] If he in some spots.

[01:03:10] Yeah not not terrible but not seen way worse.

[01:03:13] Right but it not all in all spots but they were some spots I was like hmm no.

[01:03:20] I think when he had his mother above the clouds that was kind of hmm.

[01:03:26] Yeah the a tory coming down the stairs.

[01:03:30] I was like oh shit it's the savior's up wait just just just whistling for her son or for Nagan.

[01:03:38] Just for me.

[01:03:39] Like I think of now.

[01:03:44] No.

[01:03:45] Where's Jeffrey Dean Morgan he's not on this movie.

[01:03:48] Yeah but then I like that they bring that back of course there was an event is then it's like a call and response is Brandon in.

[01:03:55] Yep so the reverse of it.

[01:04:00] Yeah we see Kyle being a little bit more questioning and worried about things than his wife was.

[01:04:08] As far as like the extent of Brandon's behavior switch.

[01:04:11] The chicken incident is a big one that he's quite concerned by that.

[01:04:16] Because he was out there staring at them.

[01:04:20] Yeah and I mean it's probably safe to say Kyle's been like taking care and living out on this farm for like probably.

[01:04:26] This was probably his dad's a like parent's farm that he inherited like he's probably been here.

[01:04:31] He knows what he's like when he's like there's a wolf doesn't do that he's right he knows that.

[01:04:37] But like Tory is being a little bit more defensive like she does it really want to hear it you know he's pushing really hard at it.

[01:04:45] I mean even to the point where he kind of says things he's going to regret maybe I don't know like the whole like that's not our son.

[01:04:51] It's a thing we found in the woods and it's like all right that's rough after 12 years of being his parent.

[01:04:58] But like he's really dealing with a lot like he's really freaked out by what is happening when he's saying because he knows I'm going to found the shirt and.

[01:05:08] He's like he's reached his breaking point he's like I'm scared and I know that Brandon is lying and I worried about what he's capable of.

[01:05:15] And the him and Tory are not on the same page she's that's her little boy and she's going to defend him no matter what and she says that.

[01:05:22] Yeah, it's like I know I'm not going to turn on my child she's horrified to think that Kyle could do it and yet he did.

[01:05:33] And that's yeah where he takes him out to the woods to have him look at the flowers.

[01:05:41] Oh, walking dead all the time here on run for your lives.

[01:05:48] Yeah, so while they're out there then you have Tory putting on a really good poker face for the sheriff I thought she did a pretty good job but then after he leaves I mean you can tell like she immediately recognizes Brandon's drawing is calling.

[01:06:02] Like as soon as like the sheriff shows me that picture on her face the poker face is good but you know in her head is going fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.

[01:06:11] Like oh, that's not good she goes back inside immediately goes to his journey was just like oh no, Kyle is right and it's real bad.

[01:06:21] Unfortunately she didn't wait for call the answer when she called him and she spilled all the beans or all the tea.

[01:06:30] Mm-hmm to her son.

[01:06:33] Yeah, and yeah, Kyle is not there anymore.

[01:06:35] I would just so rough there because I was like even if you have the strongest belief that he's a murdering psycho.

[01:06:42] It takes a certain level of darkness to take your own son out to the woods and put a bullet in his head.

[01:06:48] It's like you had it.

[01:06:51] Yeah, he was like gone at that point where he's like once that's the plan and I mean he does he goes for it shoots Brandon square in the skull and then.

[01:07:03] I could just stand up and looks back at him shock that's why there it's like oh and it was in that moment Kyle Brue or new he fucked up.

[01:07:15] Yeah, I was thinking the same thing as far as like to take your child out into the woods even though you know that he's inherently evil.

[01:07:30] To be able to pull the trigger.

[01:07:32] Yeah, like Kyle was too far gone at that point.

[01:07:36] Um, we're saying yeah when which is funny that like Brandon gets up from that looks at him and then like disappears.

[01:07:44] And it's like even in that moment he's so mad but the little 12 year old boy in him is like but before I kill him I got to have a costume change.

[01:07:52] I got to go back to the track and go get my mask if I'm going to do this.

[01:07:58] I got to do it right to get to the style whoever did the mask like that take I mean it basically was the same afghan.

[01:08:06] Took a piece of the afghan and so I mean it looks like a child would have done it that way.

[01:08:11] Yeah, it was I like that a lot.

[01:08:14] Yeah, but he takes Kyle down and then cast it and there's like begging for your life and please don't kill me.

[01:08:20] I'm like I don't think he's going to listen to you do.

[01:08:23] No, I mean there's not really any coming back from luring him into the woods and shooting him in the head.

[01:08:29] Wait, now it's his turn to blast you in the head and you don't have the advantage of being invincible.

[01:08:35] Sorry, so that's for you.

[01:08:37] And then it was over and it was at that moment that Kyle left this room.

[01:08:43] Yeah, and then goes back we talked about him toying around with with Tory and all of that.

[01:08:50] And then she's out running Tory remembers the only thing that has hurt him is the ship so she goes for there and was like oh look we found Erica.

[01:08:58] Oh man and he made a science project out of her.

[01:09:02] He I don't even want to know I don't even want to know.

[01:09:05] It was kind of like dissected like that's what I thought is it.

[01:09:10] It looked like he dissected her and stuck her on the wall.

[01:09:16] So yeah, we're good.

[01:09:18] And then yeah, I mean Tory again, I don't like to blame victim blame in this movie but like.

[01:09:24] Come on Tory.

[01:09:25] It was the worst timing like was he sincere?

[01:09:28] I don't know. I don't know if you would hurt you but like from like following up this like hug and him Brandon looking her in the eyes and going I want to do good mom.

[01:09:39] And it's like what a moment and you can't follow that then by immediately being the second apparent to attempt to kill him today.

[01:09:46] No, you know like any little bit of possibility of light in him.

[01:09:52] You just distinguish that right there.

[01:09:55] Yeah, just with that betrayal any chance you would have had of bringing him back around you just ended it.

[01:10:02] Yeah, that was it's over by.

[01:10:04] Like silver.

[01:10:06] Yeah.

[01:10:07] Gone away finished.

[01:10:10] Okay.

[01:10:13] So yeah, that's all the nuts I've got on the rires.

[01:10:19] I think that's good. I think we've covered so much of this.

[01:10:24] Yeah, I think I have any other not really.

[01:10:27] Yeah, I think I've covered covered with Matt Jones and Uncle Noah stuff at Marley.

[01:10:35] The sheriff stuff just him connecting things with the symbol.

[01:10:38] That's what put him there is like for whatever reason Brandon can't help but like like a serial killer has to.

[01:10:45] It's the danger of being caught this. It's a game to him.

[01:10:49] And then lastly was just another like actor catch.

[01:10:52] She was like, oh, look, it's Steve Aegee playing a character who's being dumb and saying stupid shit.

[01:10:57] Matt tracks. He's good at that.

[01:10:58] He does that a lot.

[01:11:00] And he was spot on 100% he's the character who's there at the bar with Noah and Kyle who is like.

[01:11:07] He's the one that stands up and goes, maybe it was your son.

[01:11:10] Like it's like God.

[01:11:12] You don't say that.

[01:11:16] He was 100% right.

[01:11:18] But still.

[01:11:19] Yeah, because that's he's one of those actors and comedian.

[01:11:21] He's a stand up comedian and stuff too.

[01:11:23] I'm like, oh, Steve Aegee, he's funny.

[01:11:25] And he's always these random weird like roles in movies.

[01:11:27] Or it's like, oh, you're the dumb guy.

[01:11:28] God, that's what he is.

[01:11:32] But yeah, that's like all I got.

[01:11:35] Well, the one thing that I have left is just something that I found.

[01:11:39] And it's basically different.

[01:11:42] When the movie was released in different countries, it has different like different names like.

[01:11:48] In Spain, it was released as L. He-ho, which is the son.

[01:11:53] The son, yeah.

[01:11:55] But then in Latin America, it is Brightburn, L. He-ho, Delas Gordad.

[01:12:04] And it translates to a Brightburn, the son of darkness.

[01:12:09] And there's an Italian one called Langello de Mayo, Angel of Evil.

[01:12:16] So all these different things make it sound different than what it is.

[01:12:20] Like it could have sounded like something like Damien though, men or one of those other things.

[01:12:25] But it really, you know, it's just different than what, you know, Brightburn.

[01:12:30] And I had never heard of that word ever, like being part of any Superman story.

[01:12:40] So...

[01:12:40] I mean, within this story, it's literally just the name of the town.

[01:12:43] Yeah.

[01:12:44] Brightburn Kansas.

[01:12:46] Yeah.

[01:12:47] Yeah.

[01:12:48] So that was, that was fun.

[01:12:50] Yeah, I've been mentioning this one often on for seasons.

[01:12:54] You have a movie that I wanted to cover at some point.

[01:12:57] And I think I've tied it into some of other movies.

[01:13:00] Even I think when we did little evil, something is like...

[01:13:03] Evil murderous children.

[01:13:04] And I was like, we haven't done Brightburn.

[01:13:06] So yeah, it's good to do that.

[01:13:09] Yeah.

[01:13:10] And we did overlord, like a week or two ago.

[01:13:13] And I don't know.

[01:13:14] I just got in this mindset of, okay, well, I'm going to kind of flow out ideas for the next couple of episodes.

[01:13:20] So we can kind of think ahead to things because we're actually having a guest on next week

[01:13:26] to talk about...

[01:13:27] Yeah.

[01:13:28] I'm moving.

[01:13:31] So I just kind of plan things ahead a little bit for a few weeks.

[01:13:35] I'm not getting in the habit of it.

[01:13:37] It's just, for now, I'm feeling like, okay, I have time to kind of think out some stuff.

[01:13:43] Because that's one of the things that's changed about this podcast is we used to plan things out a lot more, like, for weeks.

[01:13:53] We don't do that anymore.

[01:13:54] Now it's just like, what do we want to talk about this week?

[01:13:56] That one.

[01:13:57] Okay, cool.

[01:13:57] It's doing it.

[01:13:58] It's much more laid back.

[01:14:01] It's kind of organic, I guess, the way that it all comes about.

[01:14:07] Yep.

[01:14:07] And it's fun.

[01:14:09] A lot of good movies to cover.

[01:14:10] We got through this one.

[01:14:12] Yeah.

[01:14:12] And we got some good ones coming up soon.

[01:14:14] What do you do, it's been fun.

[01:14:19] And there it is.

[01:14:20] You got the feedback phone going off.

[01:14:23] Have to see if anybody else had some thoughts on Brightburn.

[01:14:26] Let me go get that.

[01:14:28] All right, this week we do have a little bit of feedback for Brightburn.

[01:14:31] You excited to see.

[01:14:34] It's first one.

[01:14:34] We actually hear from Ben.

[01:14:35] I get friend Ben here from him too often on feedback.

[01:14:38] So I like that.

[01:14:39] He says, I remember really enjoying this movie, but I haven't seen it since it released.

[01:14:43] Well, hopefully you check it out again now that we covered it because it's fun time to revisit.

[01:14:51] Revisit.

[01:14:52] Ben has a podcast called Revisited.

[01:14:54] I didn't even mean to do that.

[01:14:57] That's wonderful.

[01:14:58] Isn't it?

[01:14:59] Good job.

[01:15:01] So Catherine, hello Catherine.

[01:15:02] Great to hear from you.

[01:15:04] I love killer kid horror movies like the bad seed children of the corn orphan and the

[01:15:10] Elman, but I can't think of anyone quite like Brandon.

[01:15:13] The kids from the village of the damned are close, but not nearly as powerful.

[01:15:18] I loved all the effects, especially the hand breaking and happily struggled through the glass in the eye.

[01:15:24] I see.

[01:15:25] Oh, yeah, that was rough.

[01:15:28] I am really looking forward to watching this one again.

[01:15:32] Nice.

[01:15:32] Hope you enjoyed your rewatch and thanks for writing in.

[01:15:37] And then lastly we have one from Mark who says, as a comic book geek, I absolutely love this movie.

[01:15:42] As it is very similar to the Superman Red Sun and I think the guns may have even pitched it to Warner Brothers before Sony picked it up.

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[01:16:25] got to give those shoutouts and things going on in the podcast universe around us.

[01:16:30] Of course, the cast of us, which is the last of us slash old walking dead cast with Jason and Lucy,

[01:16:36] still continuing their walking dead rewatch until Darrell Dixon season two comes very soon.

[01:16:41] And then they'll be covered in that. They'll take a break from their rewatch.

[01:16:43] But right now you continue. You can continue their rewatch with them season three episode 11.

[01:16:47] I ain't a Judas and they have Rachel with them on that one as a little special gift.

[01:16:52] So you can definitely check that one out.

[01:16:56] And then the cast of the rings, which is the Lord of the Rings, the rings of power over on Amazon Prime,

[01:17:01] with Penny and Annwin. They're covering that.

[01:17:03] The season two is running right now.

[01:17:05] So you can check that out as they covered episodes three and four of season two this week.

[01:17:09] So give that a listen. You're checking that show out and give them some love.

[01:17:13] And then lastly, outside of podcast, it could always give some love to our friends over at TV podcast industries,

[01:17:19] who are continuing their coverage of the final season of the umbrella academy over on Netflix.

[01:17:25] So you can give them some love and go check that out over there.

[01:17:28] And then if for whatever reason you want more of me and Daphne every week,

[01:17:31] still if you have it, make sure to go check out our other podcast Buffalo Buffalo,

[01:17:35] Buffalo Buffalo podcast where we've got our friends Jeff and Jerry with us playing on kinds of goofy games,

[01:17:41] talking about all kinds of stuff trying to make each other laugh. It's always a ridiculous time,

[01:17:46] but it's a lot of fun and we're having a blast doing it. So go check it out and hang out.

[01:17:50] Let's quick short like 30 to 40 minute episodes.

[01:17:54] You know something a little fun. Hang out with some friends as we do too.

[01:17:57] That is a great way to describe it.

[01:18:00] Yeah, other than that, you can always come back right here to run for your lives next week,

[01:18:05] as we will be cranking out some more fun stuff for you.

[01:18:07] What we doing next week. Well, when a couple and an escape convict are trapped in a remote gas station,

[01:18:15] they struggle to survive against a deadly parasitic creature that transforms its victims into monstrous hosts,

[01:18:22] working together. They must confront both the terrifying organism and their own inner demons.

[01:18:28] We are joined by our very good friend Levi from Talking Traumers podcast

[01:18:34] to discuss the 2008 film Splinter.

[01:18:39] It's directed by Toby Wilkins and stars Jill Wagner, Paul Wilkins, Stanzo and Shay Wiggum.

[01:18:46] Hmm, bigger fun one there. So yeah, check that one out and give us some feedback and stuff for that next week.

[01:18:53] We'll be up. And yeah, it's a lot of fun to talk with Levi anytime we can have them on, so it's a good time.

[01:18:59] Well, that brings us to the end of another fun episode. Thanks everyone for listening. I'm Daphne.

[01:19:07] And I'm Pete. And if you have to run, you better run for your lives.

[01:19:13] Bye bye.