Run For Your Lives Podcast Episode 192: Halloween (1978)

In our fifth Halloween holiday special episode, Pake and Daphne take a bigger look at the 1978 film Halloween. Directed by John Carpenter and released on October 25, 1978, this was the movie that launched a franchise that now spans 13 films.

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[00:00:00] Hmm? Ah! Hmm.

[00:00:06] You're listening to the Run For Your Lives Podcast.

[00:00:09] Hey everyone, welcome to the show. I'm Daphne.

[00:00:35] And I'm Pake.

[00:00:37] And this is the Run For Your Lives Podcast.

[00:00:41] And this week, it's the Halloween special for 2024.

[00:00:48] The spoopy season is upon all of us. And if you're listening to this as it released, then today is October 31st, 2024. Halloween!

[00:01:00] Being all spoopy.

[00:01:02] Um, so of course, with that in mind, we're going to do our Halloween special because as far as I know, I'm saying this and Daphne can look at me like, no, you're an idiot.

[00:01:11] Uh, we're going to release this like a day earlier and just release it on Halloween. I think it's the plan. So that's what you're going to get.

[00:01:18] Uh, and yeah, so we did the Pet Sematary stuff last year, but we're back with Halloween because we did those three years before that.

[00:01:27] The newer trilogy, the 2018 Halloween follows by the other two that actually don't exist and we don't talk about those. So nevermind. I don't know what we did those years. Um, but we're going back to those roots, but in this way, all the way back because this episode, we will be talking about Halloween, the original co-written and directed by John Carpenter released October 25th, 1978. The one that started it all.

[00:01:53] Yes. Seems like a good place to go back to.

[00:01:55] I feel like we have to go back.

[00:01:58] This is not lost, but after covering Halloween kills, Halloween ends. Oh man. No, we have to go back to where it all started. Get ourselves back in a good Halloween headspace by going back to this one.

[00:02:16] And the night we're recording in is literally only one night off from the 46th anniversary of this film coming out.

[00:02:26] Nice.

[00:02:27] So it's great.

[00:02:29] And I haven't watched it in quite a while, so it was fun to go back to it.

[00:02:34] Yeah. It's been very long time for me too.

[00:02:38] Yeah. It's good to get back to it, especially after those terrible, terrible movies of which we do not speak.

[00:02:49] So I'm just going to kick this off the way we always do with some production notes.

[00:02:54] It was filmed in California, including South Pasadena and Sierra Madre.

[00:02:59] This is the movie that started it all.

[00:03:02] The franchise now spans 13 movies, novels, comic books, and a video game.

[00:03:10] And all but one film in the 13 focuses on Michael Myers and attempts to stop him.

[00:03:17] Although I guess Halloween ends was kind of not that hard.

[00:03:22] Kind of.

[00:03:24] Halfway? I don't know.

[00:03:26] Yeah. Co-writer Deborah Hill worked with John Carpenter on a number of films, including Halloween 2, The Fog, Escape from New York, and Escape from L.A.

[00:03:38] The Fog is one we haven't covered.

[00:03:40] I thought we could do a double dip, and then I remembered that I didn't like the newer version at all, really.

[00:03:48] So I'm not sure we'll go down that road.

[00:03:51] We'll see. We'll see.

[00:03:52] So the budget for this one was $325,000.

[00:03:57] It was a limited budget.

[00:03:59] It was fronted by Mustafa Akkad, who believed very much in the franchise, managed to keep it going all the years.

[00:04:07] Like, he was really invested until he passed away.

[00:04:10] And then his son was involved.

[00:04:13] It grossed $70 million at the box office.

[00:04:18] Just a little bit of a profit.

[00:04:19] Just a tiny, tiny little bit.

[00:04:21] Teeny bit.

[00:04:22] John Carpenter was a pretty fantastic director, especially in the 80s.

[00:04:27] He just was able to do movies that might not have had a big blockbuster budget, but they really packed a big punch.

[00:04:39] So it was 91 minutes long.

[00:04:43] Paik, can't wait for your synopsis on this one.

[00:04:47] I worked so hard on it.

[00:04:49] I spent seconds copying and pasting it.

[00:04:56] 15 years after murdering his sister on Halloween night, 1963, Michael Myers escapes from a mental hospital and returns to the small town of Haddonfield, Illinois, to kill again.

[00:05:08] Yes.

[00:05:09] Illinois?

[00:05:10] Illinois?

[00:05:11] Illinois.

[00:05:12] Illinois.

[00:05:12] Bring in the noise.

[00:05:14] Lots of noise.

[00:05:16] Yeah.

[00:05:18] Yeah.

[00:05:19] That's, it's Halloween.

[00:05:21] Kind of, yeah.

[00:05:22] I think at this point, everybody knows what this movie is.

[00:05:26] It's in the zeitgeist.

[00:05:28] It's in the cultural.

[00:05:29] It's like my final note.

[00:05:31] I'm skipping all the way ahead to the absolute final note I took of the entire movie, which was, and thus, a cultural phenomenon was born.

[00:05:42] I think that's fantastic.

[00:05:44] Paik, what more could we say about it?

[00:05:47] Let's see if we have any feedback.

[00:05:49] All right.

[00:05:51] Covered it all right there.

[00:05:53] What's really funny is this.

[00:05:56] When I was getting the doc ready for this, I was also playing Dead by Daylight because I'm a big multitasker.

[00:06:03] And the map loaded, and it was Haddonfield map.

[00:06:08] And it wasn't Michael Myers as the killer, although I have been stalked and killed right away by Michael Myers many times.

[00:06:21] Haddonfield always loads, and it's got that very little piece of the music that's very synonymous with this movie that plays at the beginning.

[00:06:34] And, yeah, so it takes me there.

[00:06:36] As soon as I hear it, I'm like, oh, my God, is Michael going to be chasing me in the hospital?

[00:06:40] Is he going to be wearing the hospital gown, or is he going to be wearing the coveralls?

[00:06:44] Yeah, it takes me there.

[00:06:45] So we'll bookend.

[00:06:46] I read my last note I took on this one.

[00:06:49] Now we'll go to the very first one I took as soon as the movie started to back up what you were just saying.

[00:06:54] I mean, right off the bat, that John Carpenter Halloween theme, immediate nostalgia and vibe setter will never not make me happy.

[00:07:01] I know, right?

[00:07:03] It's interesting.

[00:07:05] When I was doing a little bit of digging into this movie, which I've never really done, even though, you know, I saw it at home, not in the movie theater, because I was too young to be going to see such movies.

[00:07:21] It was before I was a big horror movie fan.

[00:07:25] I think I might have been 13 when I saw it at home when I decided I loved horror movies and could not wait to see whatever the next big thing was.

[00:07:34] So I was doing a little digging into this.

[00:07:36] And it took John Carpenter 10 days to write the screenplay.

[00:07:42] It took 20 days to film the actual movie.

[00:07:46] Anyway, he wrote the score himself in four days.

[00:07:53] And to me, you just don't find that.

[00:08:25] Yeah.

[00:08:26] You hear it and you're like, I know this.

[00:08:28] Yeah.

[00:08:28] And it lives in my brain.

[00:08:30] Like the entire score, you're like, yes, it's just synonymous with horror movies.

[00:08:34] Yep.

[00:08:34] And Halloween.

[00:08:35] And you, it's, yeah, it's incredible.

[00:08:38] Yeah.

[00:08:38] You can't go into like a spirit Halloween store anywhere in the world and not hear this soundtrack just playing over the speakers of that store.

[00:08:46] Yeah.

[00:08:47] And when you know Michael's around, you hear this, dun, dun, dun.

[00:08:51] And it takes you right in and then the music just speeds up and you know he's there.

[00:08:56] And let's talk about the breathing.

[00:08:59] The breathing that goes on that you hear from him.

[00:09:02] He's got to like work on his cardio.

[00:09:04] Because I was like, man, that heavy breathing.

[00:09:05] Are you that winded just walking down the porch steps to go stare at Lori and Tommy walk off?

[00:09:11] Like, dude.

[00:09:11] Dude.

[00:09:13] There's one point where, is it to Lori's?

[00:09:17] Yeah.

[00:09:17] Lori runs across the street back to the house and Michael is following her.

[00:09:22] And I'm like, yeah, this happens to me when I play Dead by Daylight.

[00:09:27] Because they can walk faster than you can run.

[00:09:30] That is just how it is.

[00:09:31] And so I'm watching that, just imagining what it's like when I'm playing the game.

[00:09:36] Because, yeah, Michael, he walks two steps and he's clear across the map.

[00:09:41] Like, he's that fast.

[00:09:43] So it was fun to rewatch this, having that, I guess, the gaming knowledge of running around the street in Hadfield.

[00:09:52] It's very different now.

[00:09:54] Uh-huh.

[00:09:55] Because Michael's house is one of the buildings.

[00:09:59] Yeah.

[00:09:59] And so you run in, it's like, oh.

[00:10:01] Oh my gosh.

[00:10:02] And there's the pumpkin.

[00:10:03] Yeah, it's just.

[00:10:04] Mm-hmm.

[00:10:05] It's fun.

[00:10:07] There's a lot of nostalgia to this.

[00:10:08] Like I said, the music.

[00:10:09] But even just like the imagery.

[00:10:11] Like the jack-o'-lanterns everywhere.

[00:10:14] Mm-hmm.

[00:10:14] But then just the, again, that opening credit sequence with the theme playing.

[00:10:18] It's like, it's so incredibly effective and it's nothing but just a jack-o'-lantern.

[00:10:24] It's simple.

[00:10:24] That's all it is.

[00:10:25] But it's so effective.

[00:10:27] Yeah.

[00:10:27] It's very simple.

[00:10:29] But it says a lot.

[00:10:31] Mm-hmm.

[00:10:32] You know?

[00:10:33] Less is more sometimes.

[00:10:35] Yeah.

[00:10:36] Mm-hmm.

[00:10:36] Yeah.

[00:10:37] And I think TV shows and movies, especially TV, is getting back to that basic a lot now.

[00:10:46] Where a lot of TV shows don't even have like themes anymore.

[00:10:49] It's just an opening image or visual.

[00:10:53] Or it's kind of like.

[00:10:54] Because I'm jumping ahead, teasing a little bit something that we'll be covering very soon.

[00:10:59] Which I think by the time this is out, most of you probably know already.

[00:11:03] The Peacock series Teacup.

[00:11:06] Like, yeah, there's like music and stuff to it.

[00:11:08] But like, as far as opening theme, it's just the title of the show just kind of flashes across the screen with a little colorful thing.

[00:11:14] And it's like, that's it.

[00:11:15] You know what you're watching.

[00:11:16] You know what you're into.

[00:11:17] Simple.

[00:11:17] Moving on.

[00:11:18] Like, we got things to do.

[00:11:20] Yeah.

[00:11:21] And what's cool about that show has to do with what song's playing at the end of the episode.

[00:11:25] Mm-hmm.

[00:11:26] It's always different.

[00:11:27] But we're not going to talk about that tonight.

[00:11:29] Not yet.

[00:11:30] But I'm super excited.

[00:11:32] We're going to have Alma on with us to talk about Teacup.

[00:11:34] It's going to be great.

[00:11:36] Yes.

[00:11:37] Excited.

[00:11:37] But for now, Halloween.

[00:11:40] And so we'll get into it and talk about it.

[00:11:42] If you think that my notes are going to have me really breaking down all these deep thoughts about all their characters and their arcs and stuff, then sorry.

[00:11:50] No.

[00:11:51] It's just going to be – most of my notes are kind of Michael Myers stuff.

[00:11:55] And even though this movie is fun, it's just one of those movies that lends to – most of my notes are just going to be little snarky commentary.

[00:12:04] Wonderful.

[00:12:04] That are happening because it's just the thoughts that I have because it's like, do I really need to break down the story and the meanings of Halloween 1978?

[00:12:15] No.

[00:12:16] Everybody knows what's going on.

[00:12:17] Everybody.

[00:12:17] It's ingrained in our brains.

[00:12:19] Exactly.

[00:12:19] You don't need me to dissect this movie for you.

[00:12:21] Exactly.

[00:12:22] Well, we always start off with the main character and I have to say, let's look at the fact that this is the movie that introduced the world to –

[00:12:33] Sam Lemus.

[00:12:35] So he is top build.

[00:12:38] He is.

[00:12:40] Donald Pleasance is top build.

[00:12:43] But I'm afraid that Jamie Lee Curtis steals the show.

[00:12:48] Yeah.

[00:12:49] Like this is the film that did it that brought her to the screen.

[00:12:53] She's one of the biggest scream queens and most popular final girls that you would find in a horror franchise, really.

[00:13:04] And she did just win an Oscar a couple of years ago, which I'm still very excited about because –

[00:13:11] It was awesome.

[00:13:11] When someone starts in horror and, you know, you don't get a lot of love when you're doing horror films.

[00:13:19] Not usually.

[00:13:20] And so when you start there and then you graduate and move on and do more serious or introspective movies that garnered a lot of attention.

[00:13:33] What she got her – what she got her Oscar for was still such a, like, wacky and wild idea of a movie.

[00:13:42] I mean, is it incredibly emotional and does it mean a lot?

[00:13:44] And there's a lot of deep thought behind that movie?

[00:13:48] Absolutely.

[00:13:49] But, like –

[00:13:49] It was ridiculous.

[00:13:52] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:13:53] In the best ways.

[00:13:54] Absolutely.

[00:13:54] This is kind of how, like, the culture has shifted over time as well.

[00:13:58] Yeah.

[00:13:58] It's interesting because when John Carpenter cast her, he thought that this would be kind of a tribute to the fact that her mother, very legendary actress all her own, Janet Leigh, is known for Psycho and being Marion Crane who died in a shower.

[00:14:21] Yeah.

[00:14:22] So –

[00:14:23] Spoiler for Psycho.

[00:14:25] God.

[00:14:28] If you haven't seen Psycho by now, no, I'm not talking about the remake with Vince Vaughn.

[00:14:34] I'm talking about, you know, way back in the day, the original Psycho from 1960.

[00:14:43] Sam Loomis, another tie to Psycho, was named for Sam Loomis from Psycho.

[00:14:49] So I feel like John Carpenter was probably channeling Alfred Hitchcock in a few ways with what he was trying to do.

[00:14:58] So, yeah, Jamie Lee Curtis.

[00:15:01] This is the film that did it.

[00:15:04] You know, I'm very excited that we're doing this one because, like I talked about earlier, we cover those other movies that we don't talk about.

[00:15:14] And now I feel like moving back to this original world where we get to meet one of the biggest boogeymen in the whole horror franchise in Michael Myers.

[00:15:27] Doesn't say anything ever.

[00:15:29] He doesn't need to.

[00:15:31] Yeah.

[00:15:32] It's very minimal.

[00:15:35] And there's no way to relate to him in any way because he's just a psychopath.

[00:15:41] Oh, you didn't feel like a kindred spirit with Michael Myers?

[00:15:44] No, I did not.

[00:15:46] Well, me either.

[00:15:52] Totally didn't at all.

[00:15:54] Let me just delete a couple of notes real quick.

[00:15:56] No.

[00:15:59] So there's a scene in the extended edition where Loomis is begging the board to move him to a maximum security ward because he is dangerous.

[00:16:18] And they just didn't listen.

[00:16:20] I didn't watch the extended edition.

[00:16:23] This is just, I mean, I probably watched it where you did, unless you have the DVD.

[00:16:28] I do not.

[00:16:30] Okay.

[00:16:30] So I know where you watched it and I watched the same version.

[00:16:34] But now I kind of want to go watch the extended edition so I could see what was missing.

[00:16:39] Yeah.

[00:16:40] However.

[00:16:41] Yeah.

[00:16:41] So if we start with Laurie, who is, I guess, as time has gone on, culturally is definitely the main character of this movie.

[00:16:49] Even though I think Sam Loomis was meant to be the main character in a way with Donald Pleasant's getting top billing.

[00:16:56] And this kind of idea of he's the doctor who's got to go down.

[00:16:58] And then Laurie's just kind of this other babysitter who's caught up in the crossfire.

[00:17:02] But it's like, no, she did something special there and became something special.

[00:17:07] So especially over now, like she's, yeah, main character.

[00:17:11] That said, as far as like notes for a lot of it, for most of the movie, I don't have notes for her because a big chunk of the movie, she doesn't do much.

[00:17:21] But...

[00:17:22] See, and I think Michael Myers is the main character of this movie.

[00:17:26] Yeah.

[00:17:26] I mean, really.

[00:17:27] He's definitely probably got the most notes.

[00:17:30] Yeah.

[00:17:30] But yeah, we'll talk about, yeah, some of just notes again.

[00:17:33] And if you want to try to steer onto story and arcs a little bit, you can.

[00:17:38] I'll do my best.

[00:17:39] But you know what?

[00:17:40] This is the Halloween special.

[00:17:43] And general rules do not apply.

[00:17:46] We're just going to have fun with it and see where it goes.

[00:17:50] So mainly it's just me like looking at notes and comments that I had.

[00:17:55] It did take some getting used to seeing a young Jamie Lee Curtis in this movie.

[00:18:00] It's been so long since I've seen this and I'm so used to because she's still working a lot and doing a lot of really incredible things.

[00:18:08] So I'm still used to seeing her on my screen regularly now.

[00:18:12] And so to go back and be like, oh, wow.

[00:18:14] Like, it's been quite a while.

[00:18:17] Interesting.

[00:18:18] Yeah.

[00:18:18] Driving around with her friend, Annie was like, well, she stashes a joint somewhere in the car.

[00:18:23] Literally seconds before pulling up to rolling down the window and talking to Annie's dad.

[00:18:29] I'm like, yeah, he 110% smelled that all over them and in that car.

[00:18:34] There's no world he didn't.

[00:18:36] Yeah.

[00:18:40] There were things that happened between Annie and Lori that just took me back to high school and the way that friends will do things to each other.

[00:18:47] Like, well, I know you like this guy, so I'm going to talk to them.

[00:18:51] You know, but they don't tell you they're doing it till they've already embarrassed you to the point where you don't ever want to speak to anyone ever again.

[00:19:01] Because you're so embarrassed.

[00:19:04] There were just things like that that happened.

[00:19:07] But then I liked that they had this very close friendship.

[00:19:10] Yeah.

[00:19:11] You know, but they're polar opposites because I think Lori is just she's she's shy.

[00:19:19] And Annie, of course, is incredibly outgoing and has a boyfriend and just is, you know, just oozing with confidence.

[00:19:32] Who is Paul?

[00:19:33] We heard him on the phone, but like.

[00:19:35] Paul is one.

[00:19:36] We never see him.

[00:19:37] Paul is one lucky guy.

[00:19:41] Let's just say that.

[00:19:42] Dodged a bullet by.

[00:19:44] Yes.

[00:19:44] Not getting picked up.

[00:19:46] Yes.

[00:19:46] Literally with a knife and stuck into the wall.

[00:19:49] Okay.

[00:19:49] Yeah.

[00:19:50] Literally.

[00:19:52] Yeah.

[00:19:53] Yeah.

[00:19:53] It's funny because I'm looking at notes.

[00:19:55] It's like, and now I'm just cutting way ahead.

[00:19:56] But because a lot of it is like, there's not a story stuff that I have for it.

[00:19:59] It's like, yeah, she's she's there with her friends.

[00:20:01] It's Halloween night.

[00:20:03] It's like her and her friends, at least Annie.

[00:20:05] It's like, hey, we're babysitting two different kids that live like across the street from each other.

[00:20:10] So like, let's hang out if we have a chance to.

[00:20:14] And then, of course, like Linda and Bob get involved in that.

[00:20:17] Like, we're also going to come over and be the worst people.

[00:20:19] And.

[00:20:20] Oh, yes.

[00:20:21] Let's be the worst people.

[00:20:23] And pay the ultimate price.

[00:20:24] Yes.

[00:20:24] Right.

[00:20:25] And so, like, that's just kind of the idea.

[00:20:27] But then we get this running thing with Lori of like, she's the Girl Scout, right?

[00:20:32] Like.

[00:20:32] Yes.

[00:20:33] Where.

[00:20:35] Part of that shyness where I was like, okay, fine.

[00:20:37] You have your boyfriends, you have your parties, you have your this and that.

[00:20:40] And I'm the one stuck.

[00:20:41] Like, I'm going to be the good one.

[00:20:43] I'm going to be the good girl.

[00:20:44] And now I'm babysitting two kids and actually just doing my job and keeping them entertained and putting them to bed and the things that I do for my friends.

[00:20:54] That's what she finds herself in.

[00:20:57] Of course, then through that, maybe a good thing because then she winds up with this final girl situation.

[00:21:02] And only then after the kids are asleep, going back and being like, okay, something's definitely wrong and checking in and then meeting up with Michael Myers face to face herself.

[00:21:12] Oh, God.

[00:21:12] And being able to live to tell the tale and walk away.

[00:21:15] I know.

[00:21:15] So I covered her art.

[00:21:17] Unless you have more.

[00:21:18] But I do have lots of random notes.

[00:21:21] I feel like you did cover it very well.

[00:21:26] I think you're right.

[00:21:27] I think that she is the Girl Scout and Annie and Linda are definitely not Girl Scouts.

[00:21:33] witnessed by Linda and Bob just having their way at Lindsay's house with in whatever bedroom that there was.

[00:21:45] I mean, I have to say, I would know if someone had been in my bed.

[00:21:50] That is all I'm going to say.

[00:21:52] Yeah.

[00:21:53] Yeah.

[00:21:53] I agree with that.

[00:21:54] There's my note about the two of them is, well, I have two notes that apply to Linda and Bob.

[00:22:01] First is, and I'm not even going to repeat, the thing that Bob said.

[00:22:06] But there's this line.

[00:22:08] I was like, wait, what?

[00:22:09] What did he just say?

[00:22:10] I was like, that was a really bad comment or joke, random glasses perv Bob.

[00:22:15] I'm rooting for you to die after what you just said.

[00:22:17] That is gross.

[00:22:22] And I'm pretty sure you know exactly what I'm talking about.

[00:22:25] Yes.

[00:22:25] And Linda laughs it off like, oh, that's funny.

[00:22:27] It's like, no, that's a red flag.

[00:22:29] What the fuck?

[00:22:30] Yeah.

[00:22:31] You should be running for the door.

[00:22:33] Why would he say that?

[00:22:35] Why did she laugh?

[00:22:36] Anyway.

[00:22:37] Yeah.

[00:22:37] So then my next joke or my next note, joke, note, same thing for me and this one.

[00:22:43] I said, these two are the worst besides the horrible joke.

[00:22:46] Then they barge into some stranger's house, have sex in their bed and smoke in it afterwards,

[00:22:51] raid their fridge, get blood everywhere, be dead in the house.

[00:22:54] It's just incredibly inconsiderate and rude.

[00:22:56] Honestly, it is.

[00:22:58] I mean, you come home and then you look and you've got a giant gravestone on your bed.

[00:23:03] I mean, come on.

[00:23:05] Talk about taking advantage.

[00:23:07] We said you could have a piece of cake from the fridge.

[00:23:09] We didn't say you could raid the fridge completely or go have sex in our bed.

[00:23:13] They weren't even supposed to be there.

[00:23:14] That was funny to be there.

[00:23:15] That's the thing.

[00:23:16] They weren't.

[00:23:18] It's like, man, they just don't care.

[00:23:20] No.

[00:23:21] Yes.

[00:23:22] A random Lori note on her because it's a lot of just commentary and things happening.

[00:23:26] Like, oh, we're watching the thing now.

[00:23:27] Wait, no, don't cut away from the screen.

[00:23:29] I was watching that.

[00:23:30] I don't want to watch some little kid and his baby sister back their babysitter.

[00:23:34] Babysitter.

[00:23:35] Back to the thing.

[00:23:36] And then later I was like, ooh, the movie's back up.

[00:23:38] No, Lindsay, go away.

[00:23:39] I was watching the thing.

[00:23:41] I got it really excited because there was just a movie and a movie.

[00:23:43] For a minute, we saw the opening of the thing.

[00:23:45] It was like, oh, we're watching this now.

[00:23:46] No.

[00:23:47] Yeah.

[00:23:47] You stupid kids get back in the way.

[00:23:47] It's the original too.

[00:23:49] It's the original one.

[00:23:51] Because John Carpenter actually, I think he did the thing.

[00:23:55] Yeah.

[00:23:56] He did the remake.

[00:23:56] Yeah.

[00:23:57] In the early 80s.

[00:23:57] We still need to cover.

[00:23:59] With.

[00:24:00] Badly.

[00:24:00] Yes.

[00:24:00] We have somebody in mind to do that with since season one, I think.

[00:24:04] And it's just never.

[00:24:05] I know.

[00:24:06] But we'll make it happen.

[00:24:07] Oh, man.

[00:24:08] We have to work on that.

[00:24:09] Too many movies.

[00:24:11] Paik, we have too much to do.

[00:24:13] Too much to do.

[00:24:15] Yeah.

[00:24:15] Peace and love.

[00:24:16] Peace and love.

[00:24:20] Yeah.

[00:24:21] It's the other random notes from Annie.

[00:24:23] Here, Lori, take this little girl off my hands.

[00:24:24] I need to go get murdered real quick.

[00:24:27] And then later, she's on the phone with Linda.

[00:24:29] Annie, are you all right?

[00:24:30] And I was like, no, Lori, that is not the right lyric.

[00:24:32] It was close, but not quite.

[00:24:35] No.

[00:24:35] You messed up the last word.

[00:24:37] Yeah, that came out a bit later.

[00:24:39] Like, probably 10?

[00:24:42] 10 years later, I think.

[00:24:44] Mm-hmm.

[00:24:45] Yeah.

[00:24:47] See, just this note, this question.

[00:24:49] What are the logistics of this babysitting situation?

[00:24:52] All of them terrible babysitters, even Lori.

[00:24:55] Lindsay's parents weren't expecting her to be put to bed in a neighbor's house.

[00:24:58] And also, Tommy's parents aren't requesting another person's child be put to bed in their house.

[00:25:02] All of the parents are going to be back home that night, right?

[00:25:05] This is very unprofessional.

[00:25:06] It is, right?

[00:25:09] And there was a point where Lori gave Tommy the choice of carving the pumpkin or watching the movie.

[00:25:18] Paik, what would you have done?

[00:25:20] What's more fun for you?

[00:25:21] Watching the movie or carving the pumpkin?

[00:25:24] Legitimately, you know what my actual answer would be now?

[00:25:27] As it is, I'm the little girl from the taco commercial, right?

[00:25:31] Why not both?

[00:25:31] If you set up all the pumpkin carving stuff on the coffee table, I've done that.

[00:25:38] When I do pumpkin carving get-togethers with my friends, we don't do it that often, but we've done it a few years.

[00:25:43] Then you have a movie on also that you're watching while doing it.

[00:25:47] It makes it...

[00:25:47] You're supposed to do both.

[00:25:48] That's my actual answer.

[00:25:50] It sounds like a cop-out, but no, that's the answer.

[00:25:51] No, that's a good answer.

[00:25:52] That's a good answer.

[00:25:54] You don't need to choose between the two.

[00:25:56] That's fun when you do both at the same time.

[00:25:59] Yeah.

[00:26:01] Remember watching what we do in the shadows with some friends while doing a pumpkin carving one night?

[00:26:04] That was great.

[00:26:05] You know that's back now?

[00:26:07] I know.

[00:26:08] Well, we watched the movie, but the show is back.

[00:26:12] The show is back.

[00:26:13] It is.

[00:26:14] The last season.

[00:26:16] I'm not ready.

[00:26:18] I'm ready, but I'm not ready.

[00:26:21] And then let's see.

[00:26:22] Then the rest of them are Laurie after she's with Michael Myers over the banister.

[00:26:30] Ouch.

[00:26:31] Took you long enough to realize it was a glass door, Laurie.

[00:26:34] Could have shattered that way earlier.

[00:26:35] I wondered about that.

[00:26:36] I'm thinking I would have just broke through that thing.

[00:26:39] Right.

[00:26:40] I wouldn't have even shattered just a pain.

[00:26:43] I would have just barged at it and broken through.

[00:26:46] Is there a stool or something in that kitchen?

[00:26:48] Just like right through.

[00:26:50] Uh, also the real villain of the movie, Lindsay's shitty neighbor.

[00:26:55] Where, where Laurie comes screaming, help, help, help.

[00:26:59] And the lights come on and you see somebody at the window.

[00:27:02] Ma'am, can you help me?

[00:27:03] And then she just closes the blinds and turns the lights back off.

[00:27:05] Like, well, fuck you too.

[00:27:07] Yeah.

[00:27:07] I don't know.

[00:27:09] Well, when Linda calls the house and Michael kills her.

[00:27:15] Mm-hmm.

[00:27:15] And so when Laurie answers the phone, all she hears is like the panting.

[00:27:19] So it sounds like she's having sex or whatever.

[00:27:21] Yeah.

[00:27:22] And Laurie's like, I'll kill you if this is a joke.

[00:27:25] And I'm like, too late.

[00:27:26] She's already dead.

[00:27:28] Yep.

[00:27:58] Uh, yes.

[00:27:58] And they told them to go down to the Mackenzie's and have them call the police.

[00:28:01] Those kids started screaming as soon as they walked out the door.

[00:28:06] Like their feet were on fire.

[00:28:08] Yep.

[00:28:08] Just out of there.

[00:28:09] Yeah.

[00:28:10] They got it.

[00:28:11] They knew what needed to happen.

[00:28:13] Mm-hmm.

[00:28:14] Um, and then yeah, kind of the last thing that she deals with is like, you found his weakness.

[00:28:18] Being stabbed.

[00:28:20] Uh.

[00:28:21] Really?

[00:28:22] Except maybe not.

[00:28:23] Because then she thinks it's all over.

[00:28:24] She sends the kids out.

[00:28:26] And then from behind her.

[00:28:27] Why does she-

[00:28:29] It's the Undertaker!

[00:28:29] Oh, wait, wait.

[00:28:29] Wrong thing.

[00:28:30] Wrong thing.

[00:28:31] He's okay, folks.

[00:28:32] He's back.

[00:28:33] She sits there.

[00:28:35] I mean, what was that about?

[00:28:37] Why would you sit there?

[00:28:39] Why wouldn't you go with them?

[00:28:41] Right.

[00:28:42] Go with them.

[00:28:42] That's like, all right, kids, you go get help.

[00:28:44] I'm going to sit here with the person I killed.

[00:28:48] Even if you don't think he's coming back.

[00:28:49] Like, why does she want to sit there?

[00:28:51] Get out of the house.

[00:28:53] Yeah.

[00:28:53] You wouldn't sit there.

[00:28:54] And the way she was sitting there leaned up again.

[00:28:56] It just was kind of like, what are you doing?

[00:28:58] You're just waiting for him to sit up.

[00:29:00] And do you know what I thought of when he just sits up like that?

[00:29:04] Dong!

[00:29:09] All the ridiculous wrestling things that happen.

[00:29:12] Yeah.

[00:29:13] When people are laying there and then they roll out of the way or they sit up randomly.

[00:29:18] It's like, yeah, that's what it's like.

[00:29:20] Like, I mean, she did get creative with a coat hanger.

[00:29:24] Yeah.

[00:29:25] I'm like, I don't know that I'd want to hide in a closet.

[00:29:29] Yeah.

[00:29:30] It seems kind of like you're just confining yourself into a space to die.

[00:29:36] Yeah.

[00:29:37] No.

[00:29:37] I have a hard time reconciling Tommy Doyle.

[00:29:42] The little Tommy Doyle who seems like such a fun, smart kid.

[00:29:47] And the Tommy Doyle we got in Halloween Kills.

[00:29:52] Yeah.

[00:29:52] It is weird to go back and watch this after so long with seeing him as an adult in the newer movies.

[00:29:57] And it's like, yeah, it's like, where did the sweet, charming Tommy go?

[00:30:03] You know?

[00:30:04] Like.

[00:30:05] Yeah.

[00:30:06] Yeah.

[00:30:07] I get that.

[00:30:07] We got a few of those.

[00:30:10] So we get to see Marion, who is also in Halloween Kills.

[00:30:14] That's one.

[00:30:15] And then Lindsay, of course, Kyle Richards.

[00:30:17] This is a very young Kyle Richards who did reprise her role in Halloween Kills.

[00:30:25] And then Tommy Doyle.

[00:30:27] I don't know even what happened to the actor.

[00:30:30] I'm sure we talked about it.

[00:30:31] I'm not going back to look it up because I don't want to remember that movie.

[00:30:35] However, I do have a really hard time with Tommy Doyle as a child and adult Tommy Doyle.

[00:30:45] Like, yeah, it's just a mess.

[00:30:48] It's like, no, I'm sorry.

[00:30:49] So unless you have more on Laurie Strode, that's kind of.

[00:30:53] Yeah.

[00:30:53] It's quick coverage of a lot of these characters because it's a very by the book horror movie.

[00:31:00] It is what it is.

[00:31:01] It is.

[00:31:02] It's face value pretty much the entire thing.

[00:31:04] It is.

[00:31:05] I feel like I have like we have more we can talk about with Loomis.

[00:31:10] Oh, yeah.

[00:31:11] I've got like, yeah, I've got other note sections, but that's where that was all I've got for Laurie.

[00:31:17] Yeah.

[00:31:17] She's the first Scream Queen.

[00:31:20] But yeah, I think we can.

[00:31:23] I think we can move on, Peg.

[00:31:25] Let's talk about Dr. Loomis.

[00:31:27] All right.

[00:31:28] I think I can just.

[00:31:30] Rip through my like five notes real quick.

[00:31:34] But yeah, something that does as much as I try to pretend that those other movies don't exist.

[00:31:40] There is something that like I could connect between the two of them.

[00:31:45] Okay.

[00:31:46] He's having that conversation with with what chief sheriff officer, whatever bracket bracket.

[00:31:53] Annie's dad.

[00:31:54] Annie's dad.

[00:31:54] All the way back here in this first movie, Loomis is already spelling out the danger in instilling fear and panic in the people and how they would react.

[00:32:02] Yes.

[00:32:02] Because he's like, well, we just need to let everybody know and warn people and let the officers take handle of it.

[00:32:07] And he was like, no, because then everybody's going to see him on every corner and officers are going to be ripping through every house.

[00:32:12] And I like that because we see in the later movies, I think it was in kills that that becomes a big part of it is this mob mentality of people panicking and being it's all Michael Myers and everybody.

[00:32:26] And then we see the dangers of that.

[00:32:29] So, yes, I feel a little gross, like referencing that movie with something that is like positive.

[00:32:35] But that aspect of Halloween kills was actually great.

[00:32:39] I think even when we recorded that episode, I was like, that's an interesting premise that then they dropped the ball on because I was like it just that aspect of it was interesting.

[00:32:48] And then that got mixed into a bowl of other ingredients that were all terrible.

[00:32:53] So, yeah, that's when you grab your eye.

[00:32:56] Iron, right?

[00:32:56] You strike when the iron is hot like that lady did when she brought the iron to the fight.

[00:33:01] Yeah.

[00:33:07] There's a wrinkle in here I got to fix.

[00:33:12] There's a lot of wrinkles, lady.

[00:33:14] You could have been like Annie and washed your clothes.

[00:33:17] I'm steaming, Matt.

[00:33:22] Oh, man.

[00:33:24] Man.

[00:33:26] But yeah, then other just like little things about Loomis.

[00:33:28] I said he got I think he got a little bit of entertainment from scaring Lonnie and the other kids away.

[00:33:32] Oh, that was great.

[00:33:34] I loved that so much.

[00:33:37] She's getting Lonnie sing.

[00:33:38] Did we see him come back?

[00:33:39] We know like the big character, like his son was in the newer movies.

[00:33:44] But I think he was like that character was there.

[00:33:46] I think we saw.

[00:33:47] Yeah, he was in there.

[00:33:48] Oh, don't forget him.

[00:33:49] Come on.

[00:33:49] He's part of the I was looking so forward to them bringing back characters.

[00:33:55] And then it was like, oh, I wasn't thinking this is how that they were going to do it.

[00:34:01] Right.

[00:34:01] But getting a little bit of entertainment.

[00:34:04] You see the smile Loomis has after scaring the Lonnie and the other kids away.

[00:34:07] But like part of that is also like he's convinced he's right.

[00:34:10] Like he's put this together.

[00:34:12] It's like Michael Myers is coming back to Haddonfield and he's doing this.

[00:34:15] And he's right.

[00:34:15] He actually is.

[00:34:17] Yeah.

[00:34:18] And then most of the movie, even for him, he just spends a lot of the time looming around the neighborhood.

[00:34:24] Sheriff Brackett scared him, though, after he was telling Lonnie to get away from the house.

[00:34:31] He just kind of startles him because, I mean, you know, Loomis is looking for his stolen car.

[00:34:40] It took him the whole movie to find it one street over from where he was staying.

[00:34:45] The whole movie.

[00:34:47] I mean, he just looked away at the wrong times because at one point it's driving right by him.

[00:34:54] Yeah.

[00:34:54] Michael just drives right behind him.

[00:34:57] Yeah.

[00:34:58] And then I said, Laurie found his weakness getting stabbed and was like, oh, that didn't work.

[00:35:01] And then I said, well, Loomis found his real weakness.

[00:35:03] Bullets.

[00:35:04] No.

[00:35:05] No.

[00:35:05] I guess.

[00:35:06] I mean, what a way to end the movie, though.

[00:35:08] I think it was a great ending.

[00:35:10] Yeah.

[00:35:10] I think it was.

[00:35:11] It's a cliffhanger.

[00:35:13] You don't know if there's going to be a second one, but what a way to end it.

[00:35:17] Like, he's still out there.

[00:35:20] So very creepy.

[00:35:22] It's really funny.

[00:35:24] Donald Pleasance.

[00:35:26] He didn't really understand the script.

[00:35:28] He didn't know why he was in the movie or who his character was.

[00:35:33] And the only reason he was doing it is because he had alimony that he had to pay.

[00:35:36] And his daughter was in a rock and roll group.

[00:35:40] And, you know, he's like, oh, I like the music you did on this one movie.

[00:35:47] And he filmed his scenes in five days.

[00:35:49] And that was it.

[00:35:53] He finished it up.

[00:35:55] It's like, okay, I'm here to just wander around and go, he's coming.

[00:36:00] You're going to die.

[00:36:02] All right.

[00:36:02] That's my time.

[00:36:03] See ya.

[00:36:05] Have a nice day.

[00:36:08] So, yes, that's really all I got there for him.

[00:36:12] So I can dig into the meat of Michael Myers, or I can just go over some other random notes about other characters real quick.

[00:36:20] Let's talk about Michael.

[00:36:22] Yeah.

[00:36:23] I mean, him as a character, he was set up so that the audience would not be able to relate to him in any way.

[00:36:32] Like, that's what John Carpenter wanted to do.

[00:36:35] He even went so far as to explain to Nick Castle, who was playing Michael Myers, to just walk from one place to the other.

[00:36:48] Like, that was the motivation.

[00:36:49] There was no other motivation.

[00:36:51] There was no other parameters.

[00:36:53] Walk from one place to the other.

[00:36:55] That's it.

[00:36:56] Mm-hmm.

[00:36:57] Yeah.

[00:36:58] Yeah.

[00:36:58] So we see him at the beginning, the way the movie opens.

[00:37:01] It's a great extended POV shot from the POV, obviously, of the murderous little boy known as the one and only Michael Myers.

[00:37:12] Yeah.

[00:37:13] Side note on that, that dude didn't take very long upstairs, but I guess that tracks.

[00:37:16] I don't know.

[00:37:18] Maybe.

[00:37:19] I don't know.

[00:37:20] It's not preferred, Paik, but maybe.

[00:37:25] Get in and out.

[00:37:26] I don't know.

[00:37:27] But it worked for him because then he was done before Michael got all stabby, so.

[00:37:33] He got his stabbing done quick and let Michael do his next.

[00:37:39] I don't know why Michael.

[00:37:45] I don't know why Michael would want to kill his sister.

[00:37:48] Like, they don't go into any of that.

[00:37:51] There's no backstory of Michael was psychotically deranged or, you know, he – there was no backstory.

[00:37:59] Yeah.

[00:38:00] The picture that Loomis paints is like he did that and then he just had this blank expression on his face from that moment where he was six years old and that just stayed there.

[00:38:08] And he never spoke a single word to anybody for 15 years.

[00:38:10] And for some reason, I knew this date was coming.

[00:38:14] He was going to break out and go back.

[00:38:16] And I don't know why.

[00:38:17] The dude's never said a word his entire childhood growing up into a young adulthood.

[00:38:22] He's like 21 then in this movie.

[00:38:24] He's never said anything.

[00:38:25] He's never done anything.

[00:38:26] But okay.

[00:38:28] He's evil.

[00:38:30] Well, they should have listened to Loomis because Loomis did say he needs to be in a maximum security place.

[00:38:36] And oh my god, can you imagine you're driving to –

[00:38:39] Right.

[00:38:40] Which then does give credence, I guess, to the idea that they didn't because it's like, why?

[00:38:45] For 15 years, he's sat there staring at the wall and said nothing to anybody.

[00:38:49] Are you sure?

[00:38:50] He's like – I don't see it.

[00:38:53] So I can see that for sure, them being like, why?

[00:38:55] Oh, yeah.

[00:38:56] There was no reason for them to do it, but Loomis knew.

[00:38:59] It's like, trust Dr. Loomis because he knows.

[00:39:02] That's rule number one in this series that people should get.

[00:39:06] Loomis does know what's going on with anything pertaining to Michael.

[00:39:13] Sorry to bring them up again.

[00:39:15] But if I remember from what we were talking about, this movie here is really the only one that's officially canon to the timeline of those three that we covered.

[00:39:24] Yes.

[00:39:24] As far as I know.

[00:39:25] Yeah.

[00:39:25] It is.

[00:39:26] They didn't even pick the second one, which I thought – I think the second one is pretty good.

[00:39:32] We'll see.

[00:39:33] We might cover it in the future.

[00:39:36] Who knows?

[00:39:38] Yeah.

[00:39:38] And then, of course, I have to excuse some of the acting because it's late 70s, low-budget horror.

[00:39:42] What are you going to expect?

[00:39:44] But yeah, again, that opening scene, I was like, Michael's sister almost seemed to have a very playful death.

[00:39:49] Like, Michael!

[00:39:50] Yeah, I act.

[00:39:53] Yeah.

[00:39:55] It tickles!

[00:39:56] Ah, I'm dead.

[00:40:01] As much as we have laughed, you would not know this is a horror movie.

[00:40:07] Right.

[00:40:07] We have laughed the entire time.

[00:40:10] But yeah, and then next time we see him, it's 15 years later and we have Loomis and the doctor going – he has like some kind of hearing to get out or they're trying to move him.

[00:40:22] I'm not sure.

[00:40:24] But Loomis is like, no, we have to keep him away anyway.

[00:40:28] But yeah, and again, we don't get what happens, how he did, but somehow he broke himself and a bunch of other inmates.

[00:40:34] Can you imagine?

[00:40:35] Out?

[00:40:35] Can you imagine driving and suddenly you see people walking with hospital gowns on?

[00:40:43] They're just randomly walking like that?

[00:40:45] No, thank you.

[00:40:46] I would not be getting out of the car.

[00:40:48] I would be in the car and driving away.

[00:40:51] She was in the car, but still not very right.

[00:40:54] You know, it's like, oh no, the inmates are out and someone climbed on top of my car.

[00:40:57] Clearly I need to roll down my window.

[00:41:01] No, you don't.

[00:41:02] And that didn't work well for her.

[00:41:04] But then the end was like, man, what a pig.

[00:41:06] He only wanted her for her vehicle.

[00:41:09] Yep.

[00:41:11] Damn it, don't you hate when that happens?

[00:41:13] I know.

[00:41:15] Too often.

[00:41:17] Yeah, and then see there's other notes.

[00:41:20] Some goofy, some not.

[00:41:22] The music is all forever iconic.

[00:41:24] His breathing, I mentioned that.

[00:41:25] I was like, man, you just get winded so badly, my guy.

[00:41:31] Of course, yeah, he escapes from the state hospital.

[00:41:33] And then his doctor, Sam Loomis, is understandably quite worried.

[00:41:37] Assumes, well, he's going back to Hattenfield where he committed the original crime.

[00:41:41] And how he puts all this together off of a guy that has never spoken once in 15 years, I don't know.

[00:41:46] But he did it.

[00:41:47] Do you think he went to a fortune teller or some sort of tarot card reader?

[00:41:52] Possibly.

[00:41:53] Who knows?

[00:41:56] I mean.

[00:41:58] Yeah, then we just see a lot of Michael rolling around town and creeping on Laurie and stuff.

[00:42:03] And he follows Tommy walking from school for a little bit.

[00:42:06] And I was like, why Tommy?

[00:42:08] And I was like, I assume he's only interested in Tommy because he overheard them whenever they dropped the key off at his house.

[00:42:14] He was standing there.

[00:42:15] Or he knows, like, he has this infatuation with Laurie.

[00:42:18] And maybe it's because she reminds him of his sister.

[00:42:22] Whatever it is.

[00:42:25] There's reasons.

[00:42:27] There's reasons.

[00:42:29] There's reasons that we'll uncover.

[00:42:31] Yeah.

[00:42:32] In the second one.

[00:42:33] There are actually extra scenes and things that were included in the TV version because they had to do some different things for it to be on television because some stuff couldn't be shown.

[00:42:44] Right.

[00:42:45] And there's a reason why he's targeting Laurie.

[00:42:48] And no, they're not going to tell you in this movie.

[00:42:51] So you're going to have to watch another one to find out what's going on.

[00:42:56] Yeah.

[00:42:56] But so I assume that him following Tommy is like, well, he overheard.

[00:43:00] He's like, well, Laurie's going to be at his place later.

[00:43:02] So I need to find out where he's at.

[00:43:04] Yeah.

[00:43:05] Poor Tommy getting tormented by the bullies at school.

[00:43:08] Uh-huh.

[00:43:09] Yeah.

[00:43:09] So mean.

[00:43:10] So mean.

[00:43:12] Not a fan.

[00:43:13] Yeah.

[00:43:15] Michael then following Laurie after that for a while, not being very inconspicuous at all.

[00:43:22] Like she's already clocked him four times before she's like on her way home.

[00:43:27] I mean, I assume he's not trying to hide either.

[00:43:30] He's really bad at being sneaky or he's just like, I want her to see me and I like the fear.

[00:43:35] I don't know.

[00:43:36] I'll tell you what.

[00:43:37] I never looked at a line of laundry the same after that.

[00:43:41] Absolutely.

[00:43:41] I always got nervous.

[00:43:42] It's like, oh my God, is someone hiding?

[00:43:45] This and the It miniseries.

[00:43:47] Oh, forget it.

[00:43:48] Did terrible things for laundry lines.

[00:43:50] Click lines outdoors.

[00:43:53] Yeah.

[00:43:54] It's real freaky.

[00:43:55] It's just not something.

[00:43:57] Yeah.

[00:43:57] I can't look at it the same way anymore.

[00:44:00] So yeah.

[00:44:01] Annie and Laurie pull up to Annie's father.

[00:44:05] Again, I mentioned that, but also that hardware store sells Halloween masks.

[00:44:10] That's interesting that he, Michael grabbed the Halloween mask, the ropes and the knife from there.

[00:44:14] It's like these dang kids stealing gravestones, ropes and knives, classic children moves, you know, because that's what everybody thinks it is.

[00:44:20] It's the kids in the town that are doing these things.

[00:44:22] I'm like, yeah, because you know, you know, kids getting all rambunctious and pulling giant heavy gravestones out of the ground.

[00:44:29] Well, you know what?

[00:44:31] Kids didn't have anything to do back then.

[00:44:35] They had to make their own entertainment.

[00:44:38] Stealing knives and rope from hardware stores.

[00:44:40] You know, kids stuff.

[00:44:42] And you know the mask.

[00:44:43] Like there's a whole thing about that mask.

[00:44:45] The whole William Shatner thing.

[00:44:47] Yeah.

[00:44:47] He actually got compensated, I believe, because of because that's how it started.

[00:44:52] Like the mask started because Tommy Lee Wallace, who was doing the effects in production, went and bought this mask for a dollar and 98 cents.

[00:45:03] And it was a William Shatner Halloween mask, but it was specifically a Captain Kirk Halloween mask.

[00:45:10] Yeah.

[00:45:10] So it wasn't an actual like William Shatner one.

[00:45:13] But they started with that and then he did some stuff to it to make it.

[00:45:17] Yeah.

[00:45:19] To make it work.

[00:45:20] And then, yeah, we talked about like Michael driving around, you know, driving right behind Loomis as he's like, I don't know where he's going to be.

[00:45:30] He's right behind you.

[00:45:31] But I did like having the car just kind of pulling it.

[00:45:34] And sometimes it was like very noticeable because the music follows him everywhere he goes.

[00:45:38] And you'd be like, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

[00:45:42] He's blaring it as he's driving by.

[00:45:43] Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

[00:45:44] It's in my jam.

[00:45:47] People can't see your face.

[00:45:48] That was great.

[00:45:50] But then like other times it is they don't spell it out too much.

[00:45:53] Like there's, you know, Annie and Laurie talking in the car and then you just see Loomis' car just pull in behind them and follow him.

[00:46:00] And there's like not really any.

[00:46:01] They don't mention it.

[00:46:02] It's not spelled out for you.

[00:46:04] It's like.

[00:46:04] Yeah.

[00:46:04] If you're paying attention, you notice it.

[00:46:06] You're like, oh, he's following around.

[00:46:10] Yeah.

[00:46:11] But I think really we don't get a lot of backstory.

[00:46:13] We don't get motive.

[00:46:15] Like you said, they wanted to be very.

[00:46:16] I do think, though, some motive is he just for whatever reason, he really has an issue.

[00:46:22] With teenagers being left in charge solely of children.

[00:46:26] You can't stand it.

[00:46:28] Can't stand it.

[00:46:29] Especially if they take their shirt off.

[00:46:31] Then take your shirt off in the same house as a kid that you're supposed to be taken care of.

[00:46:35] You're going to get stabbed.

[00:46:36] Them's the rules.

[00:46:37] Sorry.

[00:46:40] You know, those clothes.

[00:46:43] People had to wear their own clothes.

[00:46:46] There was no costume budget.

[00:46:48] I mean, this movie, again, $325,000.

[00:46:52] They had their own clothes.

[00:46:55] Jamie Lee Curtis went down to JCPenney.

[00:46:57] She was given like $100 to buy her clothes to play Laurie Strode.

[00:47:04] Like that was an expenditure.

[00:47:06] Like everything else was just people wearing their own things.

[00:47:09] There was no costume department.

[00:47:12] They had to cut costs.

[00:47:14] Nobody in Haddonfield owns a bra.

[00:47:20] I mean, I think that was a thing then.

[00:47:23] Although I don't know if you had a big chest, how you would survive that world.

[00:47:30] Yeah.

[00:47:31] You know, let's see.

[00:47:32] R.I.P. Lester the dog.

[00:47:33] That pissed me off because I like that dog.

[00:47:36] He was just trying to tell you, Annie, that there was something shitty outside.

[00:47:41] Okay?

[00:47:42] And you just didn't listen because you were too busy on the phone.

[00:47:46] That is the problem.

[00:47:47] And John Carpenter, they did not mean to do it this way.

[00:47:52] But there's been discussions about this movie and about how virgins can defeat killers.

[00:48:02] But not a German shepherd.

[00:48:04] No.

[00:48:06] But the issue is, people that are like, you know, their hormones are raging.

[00:48:13] They're having sex or whatever.

[00:48:14] They're so distracted from what's going on.

[00:48:18] And on the flip side of that, Laurie Strode is not, I mean, she's not with her boyfriend hooking up or whatever.

[00:48:25] She can pay attention to shit like seeing things behind, you know, washing lines of sheets.

[00:48:32] She can see stuff because she's not like on a heightened emotional hormonal high or having that experience because she doesn't have a boyfriend.

[00:48:43] That's the lesson that this movie is trying to teach.

[00:48:45] That's the moral like behind.

[00:48:47] So kids, listen to what John Carpenter is trying to tell you.

[00:48:50] Don't have sex or you'll die.

[00:48:53] No, that's not.

[00:48:54] Is that the message?

[00:48:57] Those kids were just preoccupied.

[00:49:00] Like they had other things on their minds.

[00:49:01] Sorry.

[00:49:08] Let's see.

[00:49:09] And then last I really have on Michael Myers, the headstone at the headboard.

[00:49:14] Nice touch.

[00:49:15] It does give kind of this roundabout way of like the thing at the beginning with his sister into here where it's even though, again, we don't get his actual motives and what he's doing spelled out.

[00:49:26] There is like a ritualistic reason to this where it's.

[00:49:30] It ties it all together.

[00:49:32] He's like, as I, you know, kind of a similar situation as what Annie was in and he killed Judith.

[00:49:39] And then he takes her headstone.

[00:49:41] It was like, Annie is meant to be a stand in for her in this weird ritual, like ritualistic thing he's doing.

[00:49:47] And then I think Bob and Linda are just, which I just saying, reversing their names than what I usually say.

[00:49:54] I'm just now realizing this.

[00:49:56] Like Bob's Burgers, the Belchers.

[00:49:59] Very different Bob and Linda.

[00:50:01] All right.

[00:50:04] I do wonder if whoever created Bob's Burgers had that in mind.

[00:50:09] I doubt it, but oh my gosh, if they did, that would be great.

[00:50:13] But that's the first time I've ever made that connection is when I said it that way.

[00:50:16] Because I usually say Linda and Bob when I'm talking about them in this movie.

[00:50:18] And I flipped it for some reason and then all I could think of was Bob's Burgers and the Belchers.

[00:50:22] So that's weird.

[00:50:24] But yeah, I think they were just extra murders for fun because they happened to be there.

[00:50:29] Well, you know, he had to practice.

[00:50:31] Yeah.

[00:50:32] He was only a good serial killer without getting, you know, practicing.

[00:50:37] Yeah.

[00:50:37] Practice makes perfect.

[00:50:39] Mm-hmm.

[00:50:40] And he had a great way of killing people so that no one knew that it was going on, basically.

[00:50:46] Mm-hmm.

[00:50:46] I mean, he killed Bob and Linda had no idea that it was even happening because he barely uttered a sound.

[00:50:53] Mm-hmm.

[00:50:55] And then I did like the shot of when Lori is in the house and she sees the headstone.

[00:51:01] And then the other dead bodies.

[00:51:03] And then as she's standing there at that other doorway.

[00:51:05] And it's just that white mask kind of appearing out of the darkness of that doorway.

[00:51:10] I'm like, that's fucking cool.

[00:51:12] It's so wonderful.

[00:51:13] I love it.

[00:51:14] You know what?

[00:51:15] Movies, it was simpler then.

[00:51:17] Mm-hmm.

[00:51:18] Those little moments could have a big impact.

[00:51:22] It was really cool.

[00:51:24] Do you have other moments?

[00:51:26] No, we, I feel like we have charactered everything.

[00:51:31] As much as you can.

[00:51:33] I will look and see.

[00:51:36] The only other like random notes I have is the kids.

[00:51:42] Tommy asks a lot of questions, but just let the kid enjoy his comic books.

[00:51:46] It's all he wants.

[00:51:48] He has to hide them under the couch from his mother.

[00:51:52] And then Lindsay on the other hand with Annie trying to like talk to her.

[00:51:58] Your dog, the dog, this, that.

[00:52:00] I got, I got to go wash my clothes.

[00:52:02] Hey, I'm locked in here.

[00:52:03] Somebody, Paul's calling.

[00:52:05] And the whole time Lindsay is just sucked into the TV.

[00:52:08] And I was like, kids these days and their screens.

[00:52:10] Am I right?

[00:52:10] Yep.

[00:52:11] Just completely oblivious to the world around them.

[00:52:13] Yep.

[00:52:13] It's true.

[00:52:14] It's true.

[00:52:16] My youngest niece, you cannot get her.

[00:52:18] If she is watching something on TV, you have to go like this in front of her to get her attention.

[00:52:24] It's kind of cute and silly at the same time.

[00:52:29] And then also, because there's like the, you know, the voiceover.

[00:52:33] It was, what does she call it?

[00:52:36] Because I'm sorry.

[00:52:36] It's like a marathon of movies on Halloween.

[00:52:39] The monster, whatever.

[00:52:40] But like, so it has like the little voiceover.

[00:52:42] It's just like, you know, you know, prepare, you know, turn off your lights and enjoy this movie.

[00:52:48] And then Annie walks in.

[00:52:49] It's like, why are you sitting here with all the lights off?

[00:52:51] And it's like, well, the TV just said so.

[00:52:53] I'm not paying any attention.

[00:52:57] Lindsay was sucked into a great movie.

[00:53:00] She should have been left alone to watch it.

[00:53:03] Yeah.

[00:53:05] And then, yeah, Annie goes out to try to get in the car to go pick up Paul.

[00:53:09] And then the door won't open.

[00:53:10] And so she's like, Keith goes back inside and grabs the keys, holding the keys in one hand and then opens the door with the other hand.

[00:53:16] I was like, oh, she just so since she was holding the keys.

[00:53:20] Now the door opens because that's how locks work.

[00:53:22] Well, you know, if it was current times, you would just press a button and they would.

[00:53:27] Yeah.

[00:53:28] It does work more that way.

[00:53:29] Like with it being like close to it.

[00:53:31] But but back then it's like, yeah, she never unlocked that door.

[00:53:34] She's grabbed the keys and then opened it.

[00:53:36] Like, oh.

[00:53:37] And a different key would unlock the door than what would start the engine.

[00:53:40] Like that was a thing back then.

[00:53:42] Yeah.

[00:53:44] But she didn't make it very far.

[00:53:46] She didn't make it anywhere because Michael was in the car.

[00:53:50] How did he get in the car if the doors were locked?

[00:53:53] Well, I assume he went in and then.

[00:53:55] So, OK, I'm going to.

[00:53:58] He went in.

[00:53:59] It was unlocked.

[00:54:00] He went inside and then locked the key from the inside.

[00:54:03] So she couldn't get in.

[00:54:05] I don't know why he would want her to get in.

[00:54:08] But then she went back and got the keys and then he unlocked them because she didn't.

[00:54:15] And then she got in.

[00:54:16] I don't know.

[00:54:18] Yeah, I'm not sure about any of that.

[00:54:19] It's like she was going to come in and he locks the doors.

[00:54:21] He's like, no, I'm not ready yet.

[00:54:22] I haven't psyched myself up enough yet.

[00:54:24] Let her think that she's locked out and then she'll come back and I'll be ready by then.

[00:54:27] Yeah.

[00:54:28] Got to get psyched up for this.

[00:54:30] Got to do this.

[00:54:31] Oh, come on.

[00:54:31] I got this.

[00:54:33] What kind of pep talk do you think he gave himself?

[00:54:36] He just he's just doing like he's like he doesn't speak, but he's still just doing the vocal warmups.

[00:54:41] Who saw who saw the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plane.

[00:54:46] OK, I'm ready to do it.

[00:54:48] Oh, my gosh.

[00:54:50] You would swear we were talking about a comedy.

[00:54:55] I said it right off the top.

[00:54:56] I was like this movie.

[00:54:58] It's a classic, but it's not deep.

[00:54:59] And it's like I don't have anything to break into, like deep arcs and character moments and messages and things they're trying to convey.

[00:55:09] It's like serial killer breaks out and kills people.

[00:55:15] The end.

[00:55:16] It's what it is.

[00:55:18] It's very.

[00:55:19] It knows what it is, though.

[00:55:21] Absolutely.

[00:55:22] It really does know what it is.

[00:55:24] And at the time, it terrified people so much.

[00:55:27] It still could be terrifying.

[00:55:29] It's terrifying to someone who hadn't seen it before, but I've seen it enough.

[00:55:36] Too many times.

[00:55:37] Maybe too many times.

[00:55:40] I only have a couple of notes about production and things.

[00:55:45] That's all I have left.

[00:55:48] All right.

[00:55:49] So most of the budget and by, I mean, half of the budget was spent on Panavision cameras so they could have the 2.35 to 1 scope.

[00:56:02] Donald Pleasence was paid $20,000.

[00:56:06] Jamie Lee Curtis got $8,000.

[00:56:10] And the dark lighting was mostly because they couldn't afford more lights.

[00:56:15] So any time that was going on, just budgetary reasons.

[00:56:21] Also, the house that they used for the Myers, it started as being unfurnished, trashed, decrepit, abandoned.

[00:56:34] So they shot the beginning scenes at the end.

[00:56:40] So everyone fixed it up.

[00:56:44] Like the cast, the crew, everyone worked together to clean it up, move furniture in, put up wallpaper and make it look like a nice house.

[00:56:52] And then they did that.

[00:56:54] And they shot that in one night.

[00:56:57] And yeah, I think.

[00:57:02] That's it, Peg.

[00:57:03] Nice.

[00:57:04] I've got nothing else.

[00:57:06] Yeah.

[00:57:07] I feel like we did it.

[00:57:08] Easy peasy.

[00:57:09] This movie speaks for itself a lot, but I still think it was a lot of fun to talk about it.

[00:57:13] It is.

[00:57:13] And watch it in for the first time in a long time for me.

[00:57:15] So it's nice to go back and visit it.

[00:57:18] And because we didn't have fun with the two, those two sequels.

[00:57:24] And by didn't have fun, it's not that we didn't enjoy recording.

[00:57:28] It's that the movies were just not very good.

[00:57:30] And it was just, you know, we picked them apart.

[00:57:35] This one was a lot more fun because the movie was a decent movie and there was actually something to talk about that wasn't terrible.

[00:57:43] Yeah.

[00:57:45] So much more enjoyable.

[00:57:47] Absolutely.

[00:57:49] And there goes the feedback phone.

[00:57:51] So speaking about like having things to talk about, you can see maybe some of the listeners had to say about this one.

[00:57:58] That sounds great.

[00:58:01] All right.

[00:58:01] We do have some feedback this week before we get into our Halloween special.

[00:58:07] We do have a few more for last week's movie.

[00:58:10] No one will save you.

[00:58:11] Starting with Alma says, I really like the actress in this flick.

[00:58:16] Isn't it amazing that there was no dialogue in the whole thing?

[00:58:18] Yeah, I spoke a lot to myself during this flick just to make up for the lack of speaking.

[00:58:22] LOL.

[00:58:23] Please pay or P.S.

[00:58:25] Paik, I hope you don't rip this one to shreds like the last one.

[00:58:29] I think we might have broken her heart.

[00:58:31] Oh, no.

[00:58:32] Well, good news.

[00:58:33] You've listened to this one.

[00:58:34] You heard lots of positivity and I love this movie.

[00:58:37] I really enjoyed this one a lot.

[00:58:39] So there's that.

[00:58:40] No more negativity, at least this week or last week, I guess on that one.

[00:58:46] You heard that.

[00:58:46] And then even this week, we had a lot of good stuff to say.

[00:58:49] We had fun with this one.

[00:58:50] I mean, how can you fall to classic anyway?

[00:58:53] I mean.

[00:58:54] Yeah.

[00:58:54] And also, as last week when we were talking, no one will save you again.

[00:58:57] No spoilers.

[00:58:58] But yeah, if you're keeping up with other podcastica shows and stuff, then you'll get to see a lot more of her in the near future.

[00:59:06] Yes.

[00:59:09] Well, moving on.

[00:59:11] Randy says, I made the mistake of watching this back to back with Nope.

[00:59:15] Love Nope.

[00:59:16] Such a great movie.

[00:59:17] Unfortunately, I watched this second.

[00:59:20] It had great atmosphere and creepy alien designs, but left me wanting a bit more, especially in comparison.

[00:59:26] However, I really liked the ending.

[00:59:28] Subverting the idea of defeating the aliens and instead accepting that they can actually make your life better was a great twist.

[00:59:35] Similar to how if you kill a predator, the other predators show you respect instead of making you defeat their entire race.

[00:59:42] I might have to give this one a second try.

[00:59:45] Nice.

[00:59:46] Yeah.

[00:59:47] I like that.

[00:59:47] I like that a lot.

[00:59:48] And yeah.

[00:59:49] Nope is great.

[00:59:50] But yeah, I could see where you're like, oh, two very different alien stories in a way.

[00:59:57] Yeah.

[00:59:57] And also you mentioned predator.

[00:59:59] We still haven't covered any of those.

[01:00:01] And I think we've talked about at least the newer like prequel that came out.

[01:00:04] Prey.

[01:00:05] Really liked.

[01:00:06] And I still think we should cover that at some point.

[01:00:07] And they're doing another one soon.

[01:00:09] Kind of.

[01:00:09] I know.

[01:00:11] Have to keep those on the horizon.

[01:00:13] So many movies.

[01:00:14] So long time.

[01:00:15] One episode a week is about all we can handle.

[01:00:18] So.

[01:00:19] Lots of good stuff.

[01:00:20] So plenty of plenty of stuff to keep us busy for a long time.

[01:00:23] We're not running out of movies and ideas anytime soon.

[01:00:26] Nope.

[01:00:27] Definitely not.

[01:00:28] But all right.

[01:00:29] This.

[01:00:29] Now we can go ahead and get to this week's episode with Halloween.

[01:00:34] First feedback coming on that one is from Sam who says,

[01:00:38] One of my all time faves.

[01:00:39] No one does final goal energy like Laurie Strode.

[01:00:42] At least for me.

[01:00:43] Hauntingly simple in its premise and execution.

[01:00:46] Pun intended.

[01:00:47] Halloween really set me on the path of loving horror movies and TV shows.

[01:00:50] What would I have done in Laurie's shoes?

[01:00:52] Michael,

[01:00:53] the darkness is at once both visible and unknowable like evil.

[01:00:56] So excited to hear your thoughts and to love this movie even more.

[01:01:00] Thank you for covering and the awesome podcast.

[01:01:02] Oh,

[01:01:03] thank you,

[01:01:03] Sam.

[01:01:05] Well,

[01:01:05] our next one is from Catherine.

[01:01:08] And she says,

[01:01:10] Perfection.

[01:01:11] I just marathoned all three terrifier movies.

[01:01:14] So watching the original Halloween was a nice palate cleanser.

[01:01:18] Oh man.

[01:01:19] I've seen all three terrifier movies.

[01:01:21] I've still only seen the first two.

[01:01:23] I haven't watched the third one yet.

[01:01:24] Oh man.

[01:01:25] Yeah.

[01:01:26] You need to get on that.

[01:01:28] I love how it starts with Michael's first kill and escape from the asylum and then slows

[01:01:33] down as we watch Michael stalk his prey.

[01:01:36] The kills are simple,

[01:01:38] but realistic.

[01:01:39] And the music made me more tense than actually seeing Michael.

[01:01:43] I tend to pick up on something new on every Halloween rewatch.

[01:01:47] And this time I noticed the painting of James and sore and Laurie's bedroom.

[01:01:51] I googled his work and he did some wild paintings of skeletons,

[01:01:56] people in mass,

[01:01:56] and one called the bad doctors that appeared to show spinal cords attacking people.

[01:02:02] Supposedly the Ensor painting returns in 2018's Halloween.

[01:02:07] All of the Tommy Doyle scenes made me a little sad during this rewatch.

[01:02:12] Can I erase Halloween kills from my memory?

[01:02:16] Thanks for the early Halloween release.

[01:02:19] Oh, Catherine, there's not enough brain bleach.

[01:02:24] Yeah.

[01:02:24] All you can do is just encourage your friends to watch 2018's Halloween and not the other two.

[01:02:32] And then just stop there.

[01:02:33] That's a,

[01:02:34] that's the perfect ending and nothing else happens after that.

[01:02:38] Yes.

[01:02:38] That's how we were trying to look at it.

[01:02:41] We watched it.

[01:02:42] Hopefully we can keep others from watching it too.

[01:02:46] All right.

[01:02:47] And we have one more from Dede,

[01:02:49] I believe.

[01:02:50] Somebody new leaving feedback,

[01:02:52] which is awesome.

[01:02:52] Thank you so much.

[01:02:54] So I always laughed at the girl babysitting who decides to wash her clothes and walk around in her underwear to an outside laundry.

[01:03:00] Like really?

[01:03:01] Who does that?

[01:03:02] Nobody.

[01:03:03] I know.

[01:03:04] It doesn't make sense.

[01:03:07] It's.

[01:03:08] Oh yeah.

[01:03:10] It's one of those things.

[01:03:11] Well,

[01:03:12] thanks everyone for all of your feedback.

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[01:03:58] And of course,

[01:03:58] speaking about sharing the love,

[01:03:59] got to give those shout outs to things going on in the podcastica universe around us.

[01:04:04] Lots of fun stuff going on.

[01:04:06] Strange indeed.

[01:04:06] Usually my other podcast.

[01:04:08] However,

[01:04:08] I'm not on there right now.

[01:04:10] They are in bake off mode.

[01:04:11] So Rima's got Wendy and Greg and other people possibly coming in and out.