3: Squid Game: The Challenge S1E1-5

[00:00:00] 4, 3, 2, 1, go. Because I'm the one. You're only missing the one. I'm the one. I think I always will be competitive because Jesus had to compete. I mean, as I have to compete, you control your own destiny.

[00:00:22] In the moment that you can control your mind and become mentally strong, then you understand that sympathy, it's only a weakness. Hey everybody, welcome to the podcast, I'm Jason. And I'm Daphne. And I'm Jonathan. In this episode, we're covering Squid Game The Challenge, Season 1.

[00:01:08] I don't know if there'll be more than one season. Episodes 1 through 5. So basically everything that's aired as we're recording this, although the next few episodes will be out tomorrow, so there may be actually more. Welcome, Daphne and Jonathan. So glad you guys wanted to join me for this.

[00:01:25] We're three bingers. I couldn't stand it once I got going. I could not stop. I binge through it. It's so easy to binge, but it's also incredibly gut-ranging to watch. There's just some shows that drag you in and you want you gotta keep going. Yeah.

[00:01:49] So I wanted first, just mentioned. So we've been doing this Squid Game Podcast. We've gotten through the first couple episodes, but you're hearing two new voices for this podcast. Daphne, podcast with me on Handmaid's Tale and Yellow Jackets.

[00:02:04] And she does run for your lives with a payte where they cover monster movies and disaster movies. And Daphne, you're also going to be on with me in David next week talking Squid Game Season 1 episode 3, The Man with the Embrella. Yeah, so I'm excited for that one.

[00:02:20] Yeah, we too. And Jonathan podcasted on the excellent indoor series in the Star Wars universe and also on Asoka, which was pretty good too. It's pretty good. Yeah. That's my one. And I'm excited to be on this.

[00:02:38] This was a kind of a surprise this morning, but as you guys, I binge through, which I did it in three episodes one night and two the next, because I was desperately trying to e-cout the episodes. But they really cliffhanged well with this.

[00:02:54] Yeah, yeah, you got, I'm like, oh, I gotta say what happens. Oh, watch, just watch 10 minutes of it and then I'll see. Yes. You too. I'm like, I don't know if I approve of this show, but I have to see every single one.

[00:03:07] And I don't know if it's, I haven't really been that much into reality TV lately. I used to watch more of it. I don't know if it's anything particular about this show or it's just like that's how reality TV is,

[00:03:20] but I feel like this show is pretty good at keeping my interests the whole way through, right? Yeah. It's like other reality competition shows, which is what I'm more drawn to. I don't love reality TV, like some of the real housewives shows like I'm not into that.

[00:03:41] But I'm really into the competitive shows. I was on day one of Survivor. I was fully addicted. I will admit, I haven't watched last couple seasons, but the show reminded me a little bit

[00:03:56] of that in the social aspect of the game and the challenge aspect of the game. It gave me some of that vibe and I honestly it got me excited again about a competition show because I really haven't been watching Survivor.

[00:04:17] But this reminded me of when I, the feeling I got reminded me of when I first was watching the show and how you couldn't wait till the next episode because you want to see who gets eliminated and who gets to stay.

[00:04:31] But this is amped up on such a larger scale because it has four hundred and five six players. Yeah, that doesn't say. I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like that before. Except for a watch squid game, that's here.

[00:04:43] He's just so many people to start with and we're going to go through episode by episode. Since we're talking about this, what an interesting thing was as they were going along and then they do the typical reality show interviews where you get to know the

[00:04:57] characters a little bit more and they kind of narrate how they're feeling about whatever competition they're right in the middle of. I kind of wonder, okay, are we seeing some people who might make it to the end?

[00:05:10] And I wondered that a few times then they were eliminated and I was like, That was so good. Wow. Yeah. But there are still some left to maybe they are may not make it. You never know though with this show, right? It flipped it on its head.

[00:05:24] I mean because in we'll talk about this because like you said, you meet someone right at the beginning and then they're gone. Yeah. And you don't know how long anyone is going to last.

[00:05:36] And in Survivor, you could almost tell who was going to make it to the end by watching the professionals and seeing how many people have how many professionals and there are people that are really big survivors.

[00:05:50] That would read a lot into it and almost predict who was going to be in the final group. Um, in this no, there's no way because you don't know from once I get to the next who's going to be there and who isn't.

[00:06:09] Which is actually part of what makes it riveting. Hmm. Well there's a woman in the beginning for red light green light and she was talking about a family and what she's going to do with the money. And then there's an immediate cut to her moving into getting out.

[00:06:26] Yeah, right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Excellent. This is fantastic. And that's uh it's a cruel feeling game and I think they did that on purpose to sort I mean the real show is much cooler because you get killed if you lose. Hmm.

[00:06:42] But still there deliberately like yeah like that like showing oh look here's a little here's someone expressing hope now let's watch that be stamped out. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Because I can't unshose like you know singing shows you know if someone has a great

[00:07:01] backstory you know they're going to come on and hit it out of the park. But they were throwing up these really soft story text stories and then just eliminating them and so there were actually stakes and it didn't feel scripted at all this because

[00:07:17] main characters just went down you know it was like early walking dead. You just didn't know I think it also added to the intensity and almost a little bit of humiliation for them to shoot them with the ink pellets. Hmm.

[00:07:34] And then they just lie down like they've been instructed if you get yeah you just lie down and pretend you're dead. You fight. Yeah. What I've read and I don't know if this is true but it's what the

[00:07:44] one of the producers of the show said is we swear we did not tell anyone to do that. Really? That's what they said. I could I could almost believe it right because at first you just sort of like play the part

[00:08:01] and especially when you see everyone else doing it you're like well yeah that's what you do. And if you have a classic death thing you definitely going to get cement. Yeah. That's what I would do. Oh god. Oh god. To burn us.

[00:08:20] You like you have to imagine that the people going in expected red light green light to be first. For a challenge. Let me before we really get into it. Let me just I wanted to mention in case people are tuned in.

[00:08:35] The first five episodes came out on November 22nd and then the next four. So episode number six through nine come out tomorrow as we're recording this Wednesday. November 29th might already be out as you're hearing this and we'll do another episode once the whole thing is over.

[00:08:53] And then the final episode number 10 comes out a week after that December six. Oh okay, it's still have to wait only four. Oh they're keeping the finale. Oh that's a really good idea. Yeah that'll be good. Because it's the best of both worlds.

[00:09:07] You get to binge but they also hold it back so you can talk about which we're all discussed on all our podcasts about the week to week is so much better than dumping it all all at once.

[00:09:21] So you can live with this show for a little bit but this I find is a better both worlds. It is especially for the bangers and I like to binge. It's very hard for me to stop.

[00:09:33] Okay, so before we get into the first episode I just sort of generally wanted to say a few things about the whole thing like I love that they made it look exactly the same and that they had to sleep in a replica of the dorm.

[00:09:47] I love seeing their reactions do it too you know they've all seen squid games and they all watched the corporation so they're just like oh my god I'd be blown away too and they use the same

[00:09:56] costumes and even the music, the production and the mood of it and that even like they pick the people up at night you know and you have all that the creepy juxtaposition of the

[00:10:09] and the child like so I think that works really well it's I mean that issue always comes up like well wasn't squid games supposed to be sort of a parody of this kind of thing and now they're actually

[00:10:23] doing it but I think I don't know. I feel a little critical of that what I don't because they don't die so they don't have their lives at stake but what they do have is a really high pressure

[00:10:39] situation because they don't have anyone to connect with besides people that are really against them as much as they want to make alliances they know they're all against each other by the end.

[00:10:49] They're stuck in this weird place from when I've read they tried as much as possible not to ever break the facade for the contestant so it was just seeing the people in the masks all the time

[00:11:00] and the stakes are super high $4.56 million at when you as you learn in a lot of the there's a lot of you know you know because you hear about these people winning a million

[00:11:12] dollars and the tax comes in and it gets widdled down you got to give it away but you can give a lot away get tax and you still got a lot of money. And when you're there

[00:11:23] like trying to cut that cookie and you know there's four million dollars at stake and some of their hands are shaking I mean I can't imagine how that must feel to be in that situation you know.

[00:11:34] I think it looked incredibly like grueling and even though the decisions weren't life-induct decisions it was life-changing decisions. Yeah like this money would make their life incredibly better than what it was. And you can see like they're breaking down they're crying

[00:11:55] they're so stressed and I think people are clear I mean of course they're not dying on the show but they might be suffering some psychological issues after this I don't know you know I mean it's

[00:12:04] super high pressure. But it's also the humiliation yeah yeah well that added to this you know because on survival for instance everyone's you know uploading each other and and all of this

[00:12:18] but it really it really focuses on any weakness you have in this show. It does. And it's a random two you never know like the phone rings and you're like if I picked that up I could be dead. That was

[00:12:32] a great or I could have an advantage it's just it's gotta be really I mean I would try I think if I was in because of course we're all thinking how would we do I would try to just be like I

[00:12:45] can I could be off of this any moment and I'm ready for that I'm not going to sit here being totally in fear of it I'm going to try to just be like okay I could be I know I could be

[00:12:56] gone so I'm just going to do my best while I'm here. I enjoy the experiences I'm just okay. Not like you're bracing against it the old time. I think over arching if you think about it they

[00:13:09] did have to really think about how they constructed it because they had to know like survivor new over time people would come in with expectations. Similar to what they saw on the show.

[00:13:25] Strategies yeah and so they had to make some changes and shake things up and make things a little bit different and I think they accomplished that in just the way that they have done so far.

[00:13:40] I mean speaking of knowing what you're in for let's go on to episode one red light green light I thought it was cool they jumped right into the petition just to get us hooked in and to see that

[00:13:53] setting but I think if it was me and I was there and I came out into that play yard and saw that creepy doll there would be a part of me that's like what am I saying for like yeah

[00:14:07] I'm going to live through this right you know there might be that little lightning doubt that maybe I'm about to be shot I don't know. Well I think it takes you back to that horrifying

[00:14:19] you know the horrifying visions they of course saw in the show and you're just kind of it must seem surreal like I know I signed up for this and here I am I'm going to do it but

[00:14:33] oh my god they really are putting me in this like this is it's really happening this is for real well of course is triggered a squid game rewatch and I've got how violent it was I mean

[00:14:48] of course the first two episodes again and how graphic and like the first the first scene when the first persons get shot on the actual series and they all just start running to the

[00:15:01] exits and they all get mode down you know it was so brutal and frighty after yeah because they'd been hyping up the podcast and then and then I watched it and I'm like oh I forgot how this feels I

[00:15:15] should have worn people you know like I hope I didn't convince somebody to watch that and then they're like what kind of a sick person are you if you know Jason exactly the kind of person yeah you know

[00:15:30] so I I'm glad they went with the Korean rules where you move while the woman is talking versus the whole red light green light thing you know I mean I want to show well in the show

[00:15:45] the American version they said it was red light green light so they would in the dub diversion they would have her going red light green light but so when you hear green light that's when you

[00:15:56] can run and when you hear red light that's when you can stop that's the American yeah I don't know if they played that in Australia I knew kids I watched the subtitle so I didn't even know

[00:16:06] but I mean when you're a kid did you play oh yeah yeah yeah and so but the Korean version is just while she's saying this phrase about the misgist or something and so I would think it's a bit

[00:16:17] little bit easier because it's the same length every time so you know you kind of have an idea how much I mean have that I wonder that I wasn't like musical chairs where they varied the length

[00:16:30] of the music that was played it didn't sometimes show and now in the way that they filmed this although Jason and Jonathan did you know that it took them seven hours to film that yeah

[00:16:46] which made it a whole decision yes that was what was confusing is there was this woman who was squatting and she's like I just can't do it anymore and I'm like well it's only five minutes but

[00:16:58] then I read that it's six hours so so that makes me sort of question like well it wasn't really the way it was presented then if they had to hold their positions yeah well I saw a thing

[00:17:10] where they of course I did a quick YouTube and there was some producers saying they would review the first review five minutes after the music stopped and they'd be looking through that but

[00:17:24] they'd say oh hold your position hold your position so it didn't really but they still had to not move in case they cut back and things like that it was getting ready for yeah so it wasn't

[00:17:35] like they could waver or put it down down put it up but they generally had to stay but not perfectly because they they would do five but they would say hold and then you'd hold and they'd review

[00:17:46] that five minutes but then they'd shoot you yeah because also the way it was presented it kind of made me I wondered about the accuracy of it because they kept the way they cut it it was really

[00:18:01] hard to tell and I just wonder if they were being completely accurate with who they were calling out like in no other games that we saw after that did I feel that way you know it felt fair as far

[00:18:11] as they knew exactly who broke the cookie or didn't when the battleship gamer went over but for this I was wondering if it was fair and I guess the way you're saying is they had to like review

[00:18:22] but a chance how why or something they wanted to get specific angles they wanted to make sure that it was in as intense as they wanted it to appear so they took all of that time to make it that way

[00:18:37] and I wondered why are people lying down well I understand what they go lying down now I'm kind of shocked that because 259 were eliminated I know I would think it would be

[00:18:50] that it was 255 in the show but maybe that is another reason why they dragged it on so long it's because they wanted more than half to get to be gone yeah because there was a lot of

[00:19:04] I can get away with this you know talking a little bit of slight movements and stuff like that you can't you know I'm sure what you can let's what we said on the podcast like I would

[00:19:15] I would really be talking like this and not yet yeah I wouldn't move back I don't think I could do this show I think it would be too psychological draining so intense it's so intense you know but how long do you think they're there for so

[00:19:36] it looks like it's like you know probably only 10 days or most right yeah with these 10 episodes they probably spend 9 notes I mean I don't know I just took it um it took place over like 15 or like like weeks basically yeah yeah but just all staying in

[00:19:57] and getting back to what you said about the the sets I mean I expected them to recreate it but they recreated it down to the beds and having the stay over the night you know and imagine sleeping

[00:20:10] in that room with all those people and the snoring and the weirdness and like 450 people you've just met in the same room with them it would be so odd and that that would just add

[00:20:23] tall distress you know yeah being in that it's like in that bedroom like with all the bumps and everything and being fed to specific food that isn't necessarily what you're yeah and then going to the challenges that look very familiar yeah psychologically it has to

[00:20:42] affect you like you said Jason when they went out what were they thinking when they walked it and saw the big crazy you know doll standing there yeah I mean from that point psychologically

[00:20:56] it had to affect them because they're completely cut off and this is you know this is the world they've been immersed in and with all the scams now the the robocalls the everything now

[00:21:08] that anything could be fake with a deep fake like the Tosom is alluding to earlier is was there a bit in their back of their mind when they walked out into the exact set is like have I actually

[00:21:20] signed up for real squid? Yeah that's what I'm trying to say yeah yeah yeah I think I would be like no no no no but they're just a little bit that'd be like I really hope not

[00:21:33] through the post round in the dorms I thought my first thought was you'd want to get a bottom bunk and I feel like I already felt the pressure because I think the worst part of this

[00:21:46] for me would be just having to try to get a leg up on people in these sort of psychological games and and I would think I don't want to talk bunk I feel like the beta people are going

[00:22:00] to get the shitty bucks you know and I'll be one of those you want to bottom bunk but there's a question is the top bunk the good bunk or is the bottom bunk the pal bunk I guess yeah

[00:22:11] the prison rules is anyone know prison rules? Oh oh I just think if you have to climb up that's probably yeah you're right more effort you know and I think in I think from all the prison

[00:22:24] movies I see I now remember that the bottom bunk's the the the the the king bunk I think thanks though I don't know for sure um I had more notes on the first episode for something

[00:22:37] than the last this time it seemed like they didn't know how much prize money maybe right that's what I wrote like when they first saw it coming down they seemed surprised at how

[00:22:49] much it was maybe and because the biggest prize I can remember and I what is 2 million on survival and so this is the most ever this is any by far the most yeah yeah yeah yeah I think they're going

[00:23:03] expecting kind of a million a million because like why spend all that extra money you know as a TV producer you know like a million dollars every I'm a still fight for but but but they're

[00:23:15] actually right because when it went to 4.65 it just went into another realm of competition I think that's right they changes the tone of it I feel I at first I this changed but in the first episode

[00:23:31] it felt like not a lot of nastiness yet but you can tell most people nowadays have grown up in the age of reality TV so they just sort of take alliances for granted they're like oh yeah we

[00:23:43] need formal alliances and they're right like it doesn't end up helping I think well actually sometimes it could actually hurt people because they become targets um there was cockiness though and the whenever anyone's cocky and they nag other people you know they're like psychologically put them down those

[00:23:59] of the people I hate the most yep like that one guy that everyone called for that boy I didn't like him right oh my goodness even later than woman who just refers to yourself is I'm beautiful and

[00:24:11] I mean maybe some people are like yeah you should be confident yourself but I just hit me the wrong way like God you're so arrogant yeah that was my first impression and I it reminds me again of

[00:24:24] other shows where you do see those types of people and they stand out to you because Lorenzo who was the one and right and who was for three two you meet them very early on properly

[00:24:40] meet them very early on and you're just kind of like hmm I don't know what I think about you I'm not really drawn but then you meet cool people like Lianne and Dre.

[00:24:52] Mother son yep but she turned out to be vicious I thought I was a ruthless she's not the kindly woman you thought she was I think you're a time to think you know she's kind of put some lives

[00:25:07] well what are you are you just talking about when she got rid of Lorenzo yeah yeah I mean well well let's talk about it when we go yeah but I have stuff to say with that first episode this

[00:25:22] guy Lorenzo you took two meals too yes that fucker I was so good right and then you're giving him more they were other people were giving him food and I'm thinking do you think there's going

[00:25:35] to be a very come in at 19 if you more food you better eat what they've given you and be happy it's more than you get on survive but I like how I thought it was interesting because everyone was

[00:25:46] furious with him but he's like hmm no one said you couldn't you could only take one let me see what happens if I take another one and so he hid it and everyone was sitting down with the food

[00:25:57] and the keys going up and there was just some extra there yeah I guess we'll see yeah and so is this thing of like you know of like you know if they don't see a rule then there is no rule

[00:26:10] if you see what I mean which I thought was interesting. He's testing the boundaries. If there was normal sweet games you might fail that test by being shot in the head yes exactly

[00:26:19] and on those meals I quite liked the rice with the fried egg on top so yeah that was the one thing that did look good to me yeah most of the food didn't look great but if it was extra that would

[00:26:29] make more of a difference to me then if he would potentially be taking a meal away from somebody so it's kind of beautiful someone else's I think he waited to the end and he's like I'm not going

[00:26:39] grab another one and hit the camera was like I did wonder if he did though at first I'm thinking are they going to run out of food and then there's going to be like a big war in the middle of the

[00:26:52] bunks yeah it's able to be in a kaffafel so then we have a Kyle the multi guy right yeah and Danny in the kitchen and the voice comes on and says play her whatever he is you can eliminate

[00:27:08] you can eliminate one person and she told him you should eliminate this guy a mot mot moti oh yeah who's the ringleader type and that's what he did and you know I it's hard I think

[00:27:25] you have to at least personally I think this is a game and he had to pick somebody and so it seems ruthless no matter who you pick pretty much but I was sad to see that guy go he seemed like

[00:27:37] a good guy but like yeah you gotta you gotta do what you gotta do but they were also correct because he wasn't just an ice guy he said my strategy is to go around and make friends with everyone

[00:27:52] and make sure you're going to do so I am which is directly from the survivor and and but then that gets picked up yeah no if you're not if you're survivor savvy you know the people that are

[00:28:05] working the room yeah like he's going to be a threat and yeah and as soon as that label of you might be a threat is on you you're gone yeah or even if you just stand out in any way I think

[00:28:17] that's dangerous especially early when there are so many people if you stand out in any way then you might just be thought of by someone when it comes time to pick something just because you

[00:28:26] made a funny joke or something you know but then on the other side of that or the other side of that coin is if you don't make any connections with anybody then you could be like the one girl

[00:28:37] or was the girl who got let go because she was the only one the guy never talked to so yeah I think you kind of have to find that happy me and where you're friendly but you're not to you don't

[00:28:46] stand out you know the grey man yeah well yeah you don't know it's so hard to walk that find line between I need to be in an alliance but I need to be on the wallflower that

[00:29:03] no one notices yeah yeah really hard yes do you guys think you'd be good at that I don't know when I watched like doing the pandemic and 20 seasons in a row of

[00:29:20] survivor I thought that I'm like I know how to do see I went on are you going I know because I know everything now but then but there's a round of mellum to you and this is personal relationships

[00:29:32] someone just might not like you or you might not make friends with people straight away for no rather reason than you know because it's like a fabric got very tribal and very quickly like like

[00:29:48] a line with the like but they'd be one random yeah you know the gunbars were together but then they'd be the old guy even though he is almost of that group and that you're grouping

[00:29:58] of of type it seemed almost very yeah and ethic backgrounds too just like yeah there's anything yeah and I think to all all our podcast listeners we're all probably a bit of an

[00:30:09] outside red one by so I wonder how I would I would I would I think you'd be good Jonathan I really do yeah you're friendly but you're not too intimidating no I'm just kidding I don't know

[00:30:24] you have to be so careful like yeah cool me friendly I would be socially awkward at to the point where they'd be like get that weirdo out of here and I don't want to feel like oh

[00:30:35] guys good I'm trying not to try it has it come across as trying or not trying or something I do wonder what it would have been like if this had been held without any outside

[00:30:49] interference of the reality shows that have come before it without people going in with a mindset of well this is how other games have been played so I'm gonna try to mold my gameplay to this

[00:31:02] because over their way different without that yeah early seasons of other reality competition shows it's very much people are trying to figure out how to play yeah and in this case I feel like they've

[00:31:16] got they we can go back to that anymore yeah you have to look at it's been 25 years of reality exactly you have to look at what others have done and try to mold yourself into it

[00:31:31] and then in the last the finale of the last the cliffhanger episode five that comes back to buy to everyone oh look at that oh yeah so so do one more my more point on the red light green light

[00:31:46] with like what I really I knew that they get the sets right and the costumes right but they really got the the feel right of the squid game series are like how high the stakes were and yeah

[00:32:00] you know straight away and and even down to the the montage of with Mozart's Requiem in D minor in when the everyone's just going down they're all dying over and over it really I just loved how

[00:32:16] how it felt like season two was squid games rather than a reality yeah yeah yeah would they're getting to the end and they start playing smile by neck and cold yeah it just yeah yeah so at the end

[00:32:39] they all line up in four lines and then you find out that their um they have to choose a shape and um they take the first four people in the front of the line and send them into this room

[00:32:58] and um they have to choose either a circle, a triangle, a star or an umbrella and we're going to train not to spoil anything in squid games after this but we will talk about the first five

[00:33:10] episodes of this reality show so you know if you saw episode two that they have to cut the shapes out and so they all know that the umbrella is the worst and you could die if you get that

[00:33:24] and I just thought that was cruel but fascinating to see them these four people in the front of the line thrust in there and saying okay now you guys have to choose which shape all your people

[00:33:36] in your line get in two minutes go yeah and you have to decide and one knows no one knows the repercussions if you don't yeah because I was expecting them to all choose a months of chosen

[00:33:52] that because it looked like there were doors in the symbols that the doors of the symbols would open with their actual symbols so they were all fighting for them and then would all change but

[00:34:04] I thought I was kind of hoping it would be what I just because I well personalities of people came out more and more including our flat boy and his treatment of other

[00:34:21] people and yeah I wanted him so badly to get something wrong but yeah but then they also had a point that they randomly lined up one two three four and and and then they said okay then

[00:34:40] it's one lift coming out but that's definitely something you could have argued but but if you were to try yeah I was kind of hoping or thinking that maybe they would all

[00:34:52] choose and then they would go surprise we're playing some other game where the umbrella is the best you know but you do that which is fine but so the so the first for they can't come to a decision

[00:35:05] refusing to choose the umbrella they all get eliminated right and then they send the next for in and that's when the frapp boy guy bright brighten no there were there were actually one more row

[00:35:16] was there were two rounds of people go to the leaders and getting eliminated okay one of the people actually that got eliminated the second time through yeah that's right yeah he was trying so hard

[00:35:30] his name was Kevin he was trying so hard to get them to understand no we have to agree let's agree so we can move on with this let's figure this out and they wouldn't listen he's

[00:35:43] actually a friend of Diana Driscoll's and our group yeah yeah so I knew right away what I would have done which is I would have said especially if I was in the line that was you know headed towards

[00:35:56] the umbrella and I would have said I'm not gonna pick that and cause all my people to have to take the umbrella so what I think we should do is we can pair off Rochembo the losers play each other

[00:36:13] the losers of that gets the envelope if you don't agree with me then we're all gonna die because I have a rather die right now than send then relegate all my people to this if I have to do it

[00:36:23] because of a chance okay fine but I'm not gonna agree to it and that's like for my ears and wait for them to say yes and as Rochembo rock paper scissors yeah yeah yeah yeah that's what

[00:36:34] I thought I was saying that's a great way of solving that issue because when they said let's race for it and was it the brightened guy he's like one two three go I'm like no you

[00:36:46] not I'm gonna punch you in the face that's not actually the second group when they went in and when they went in they like okay let's have a race because they saw what happened to the

[00:36:58] first group and even then it didn't solve it because the person who was last didn't go to the umbrella because it wasn't a fair race he said what did we go and took off running before they

[00:37:08] even were in the starting position but then all that led to us meeting possibly the greatest character in in all reality TV which was Spencer that shows what he's got pressure there

[00:37:32] under because he was just so stressed he was gonna throw up he the poor guy he's he introduced to himself by saying growing up you know I'm the kind of guy that the wet the bed

[00:37:49] I'm a mama's boy and I'm a mama's boy and my mom's yeah it's not a pathetic going on Netflix right yeah yeah I'm like now yeah no you're going to be the guy that's known as the guy that wet the bed and almost threw up oh my goodness

[00:38:07] and the worst is said okay I'll take umbrella if you guys all do a grid of lick other people's candies that's not gonna happen dude yeah it was so pathetic and I felt really bad for the guy

[00:38:19] but and everybody in his line was mad at him of course that was really sad that was sad to watch them but be so mean to him when he really I mean it's either he ends his game

[00:38:35] or you know he takes the umbrella and and he had brightened in there bullying him yeah and brightened was rough with him but at the same time just like oh god dude just don't stop crying now

[00:38:49] if you start crying now you're never going to just please stop crying maybe it's up the tears we're gonna help with the candy I don't know I felt so bad for him because he was already crying

[00:39:04] before they even went in but you had yeah you had to know going in that brighten when when he at the head of the line at that point I thought this is gonna they're gonna continue the game

[00:39:19] because there's no way he's gonna let himself be taken out by this situation but he bullied that guy I felt like he believed that guy so the last second though didn't before his pants are accepted

[00:39:34] his future and then that weird speech he made and you know the lick everyone else's thing it was just it was the most compelling thing I've watched in ages just for watching him just

[00:39:48] fall apart and real on the screen I mean he just was doing the actual challenge and he's there trying to throw up and I'm watching it and I'm on the verge of throwing up because his his

[00:40:03] bowl with the candy in it was so full of saliva it was possibly the most disgusting thing that I've ever seen his piece of honeycomb was underwater with saliva yeah and and I there was one comment that tray in his mom they were talking about

[00:40:27] do you think it's gonna get all the way back here and his mom Lee-in says I kind of hope it's time oh yeah she's gonna knife hidden somewhere that's been

[00:40:42] I don't agree I think she's I think she's just there going all right how do I play this I mean I guess the part where I thought but she definitely looks forward to the challenge she's not backing

[00:40:56] away from anything or crying and she was trying to like you know she wants to play right you know they shouldn't talk about how he was close to his mother and then she's like

[00:41:08] buddy you got to I'm like you're just gonna yeah that never really is what she's doing so so their their their hands are shaking when they're trying to cut these what did you call it

[00:41:21] honeycomb and well they're actually called Dalgona that's what the kid's got that's right yeah and actually Jenny bought some of those for us recently there's squid game themed and you they come individually wrapped and you don't know what shape you're gonna get and

[00:41:39] when I opened mine first one it was the umbrella and I felt a twinge of oh no I'm gonna die but I just ate it and then when I cracked into it I felt it again like I should have so then

[00:41:50] as I was watching this episode I opened another one and I got the triangle so I was like oh good and so I started looking looking it you know and then I started going at it with the needle

[00:42:03] and then the outer rim broke and I forgot that that's okay so I thought yeah I'm dead like fuck I couldn't do it and Jenny, Jenny seemed disappointed like I felt coming from her

[00:42:17] if 4.56 you would have lost it for this family and then I realized no no it's okay the outside breaks you can still do it I was so released so I'm like chipping away you know

[00:42:30] and I got it out with like five minutes to spare and I was so proud and Jenny cheered and then she goes well triangle but I did it yeah well after listening to white lotus Jason yeah yeah

[00:42:47] yeah you know it was funny though so what was your method and definitely what would your method be for forgetting it out? I would do whatever player 4.56 did in the game which was like it and go that but I also think that once you're down to one minute

[00:43:11] and you know you have a lot left to go you have to change your strategy a little bit you got to stop breaking pieces of it off you have to you can you know or 30 seconds left you can't be sitting

[00:43:25] there with a needle continuing when I was doing it I felt like I think I'm making some progress here but I'm going to have to use more pressure before my time runs out but I want to

[00:43:38] avoid that as long as I can and just scrape away so that it just like get it as thin as possibly for you take that risk you know yeah but at some point you have to take a risk because

[00:43:50] you're so close if you don't if you run out of time you're eliminated yeah so you've got to risk it to try to get it out I think the triangle would be the one that would be the easiest to

[00:44:04] yeah break pieces off of and I did a circle too and that wasn't too hard I didn't try the star or the umbrella yeah but watching Spencer test there with that bucket of saliva and he's scraping away

[00:44:18] and everyone around him is just going down and looking at his faces each one of his the like the guilt and the horror and he's looking at them as if they're actually dying that's his fault

[00:44:31] and yet he's still trying to say they're like so bad he's still going and all of and all of that really is the start of episode two because episode one ends with

[00:44:44] Kevin trying to get them to agree and he didn't move and so yeah we're in episode two now yeah and he I when he he died you know his thin craft and or he was eliminated

[00:44:59] I should say he lifted his thing up I like looking at it he also like he needs to keep it there's a lot of false thoughts in contact with the servers

[00:45:09] and he's holding it up and poking at it I'm like what you're doing and then it just immediately breaks maybe he almost self-saltized you know well you have to wonder the people that went on the show

[00:45:25] were they all mega fans of squid game or were some of them just fans of squid games you know she'd be watched at once and didn't really understand how intense it was going to get I mean

[00:45:39] nobody probably understood how intense it was going to get no it just went a bit crazy when we do the new segment I have the one who was with Kyle in the kitchen Danny

[00:45:51] who told him she wrote like an essay about what her time was like on the show so we'll hear a little bit she didn't laugh along but we'll hear a little bit about that and who was the the redhead guy

[00:46:04] they got his with like a second to go there he was a redhead guy with glass dash dash that was he was 41 yeah and and he's and it's counting down and it was so exciting and I'm

[00:46:17] pulling then and he just got it he couldn't get it out of the thing and he just got it this is in time so it really gets you in I'm really enjoying yeah for sure so then at the end this phone shows up

[00:46:32] and oh oh I think first in the hallway this guy I didn't catch his name but I think he was oh 1998 and him and Brighton were like about ready to get into a fight oh yeah he said if you call

[00:46:48] me flat boy one more time yes who say he said yeah he's like okay flat boy and then he just wanted to pick up that phone because he was hoping for an advantage but what would you guys think if

[00:47:02] the phone would you want to try to grab it or not? Only the first time. Right we'll see my why theory with this is don't volunteer for anything yeah because it's a 50 50 chance of

[00:47:14] it being good or bad you know and I think with that one but it's also the the desire for screen time as well is wanting to be involved and because a lot of people go on these shows as a launching

[00:47:30] pad for you know in an influence a career or to get on TV or so they want the screen time but yeah that was a mistake I kind of thought you well just about the phone my thought was

[00:47:49] before I knew what it was all about I thought I betcha it's something good because I don't think they would want with the first one of these yeah it just pick up the phone your dad because then no one

[00:48:01] would ever volunteer for him to do it right but still you also don't want to stand out so I think even though it might be good I would just feel like let's hope it all's have it I don't want

[00:48:14] to risk it like he said he's a player he's a player and then the food comes in there fucking like jackals just taking away that I mean that's hard to watch too. And what was he supposed to do

[00:48:27] yeah that girl told me he's give her half people when crazy with that like they just took things and ran off like they hadn't eaten for days yeah but I don't think they do have that much food I

[00:48:44] think they're getting that small three meals a day small so yeah and that's it so there would be and I think it's quite bland and to be you know even you go a day without you know I did a

[00:48:58] cleanse once and where I know bred for couple of days and walked past a bakery yeah and it was and it was the most delicious smell I've ever smelled I wanted to go in there and rip apart everything

[00:49:10] and so even short short amount of time where you can't have the food that you'll use to and especially things like fries and things that are so satisfying there's something that's there

[00:49:21] and you know what if this is our last meal for a while and all of that and he knows if he sits there and tries to guard it and eats at all that he's a dead man so he's like all right yeah exactly yeah

[00:49:31] sure so what was your what was everyone's solution for the phone if you were on the phone I think I don't my doubt I would be able to um think of this quickly enough I know I would be better

[00:49:46] at not giving in a way than him because he was the worst yeah this little advice was I'm fucked anybody else please save me you know but I would try it on the phone

[00:49:57] yeah you could have lied about that and said I have a call call from a loved one because that's been a prize at other I would have said if I could have thought of it

[00:50:09] I would have looked at somebody I had already been talking to not a stranger because that's a clue and said hey first one who grabs the phone gets an advantage in the next game and then if

[00:50:20] other people started coming around like they did they actually did you know to grab it and some other people say don't do it I would have like shrunk away a little bit like no no no no

[00:50:29] just pretending to hold it back from them I think just that little bit of yeah a move wouldn't make people hopefully come in and get it from you you know I was rooting for him

[00:50:38] though just because he was against frappler like that was he's a great character too yeah I was like he's fun he's he's against brightened I'm good but it made it delicious that Brighton did

[00:50:51] get to stay longer because what the bad guy out but then you're like oh no come on yeah have an emesis yeah oh my solution would have been to just pick to number and gone

[00:51:03] 3 2 4 oh yeah yeah and they're going to come up and then it's up to them to even try to pass it on you know yeah whether they like them Jonathan 3 2 4 3 2 4 die yesterday fuck yeah yeah I think is on this show what I realized is you can have antagonists

[00:51:32] and one will get eliminated believe me there's another one just waiting in the mist to come out and so there's already another you know there's always an antagonist so we're getting making a

[00:51:46] bright and if like if I can like his line and he's interview and he's character interview and he goes you know I'm really I'm very competitive and I want to compete just like Jesus competed yeah better than that and then he says many say sympathy is a weakness

[00:52:03] yeah the very Jesus like thing to say he was on my nerves from the very beginning yeah but another line that I remember that in involved him and the German guy in Lorenzo Lorenzo remember right in the beginning Lorenzo goes I work out and he goes to

[00:52:26] Bryce at the UFC workout and then he points at the other guy here you're not so much so that's a lot of you very direct very direct about it that's a neck so the next episode is

[00:52:38] number three war and um I loved this episode yeah so much I really did when you they all think they've grouped up all the beefy guys are all together thinking they're

[00:52:51] going to have tug-of-war because that's the next game in squid games but um it turned out to be well they call it worship because battleships trademarked but anyway that was that was so much fun

[00:53:06] and the one thing I want to say about this before you guys can go ahead and talk about whatever is I was rooting for Brighton a little bit here because when his team almost lost and they were

[00:53:20] all despondent and he was like don't give up guys that's what I learned in sports you'd never give up and then they won I was like right on dude that was good right until but Brighton didn't win

[00:53:32] no he didn't but but I found myself and that's a I find find myself that it's a mark of a great show is when you find yourself rooting for the villain and I found myself rooting for him during that

[00:53:49] because what Jason says but there was also a moment during the um the the honeycomb thing where he was the only one to make a pile of sand and to place his honeycomb on it to make it

[00:54:03] easier for him so I had a table so he wasn't on the floor and I thought that was you know it was at least a sign of some intelligence in him and I thought oh that's kind of smarter okay no

[00:54:14] I know it was thought of that and then he was trying to my my find myself oh I hope he doesn't get voted out for the for two reasons because you know because it is motivation and maybe he's not

[00:54:24] his bad but also you it's great to have a villain in his show but I did find myself rooting for him in your ship I think what it was is they they had like they look like they were going to lose

[00:54:35] but then they started to come back and you felt like yeah but then they ended up losing yeah I think even before that I have to point out before the challenge I have to point out this little

[00:54:46] heartwarming thing that took place between tray and figgy oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah because he was worried about the next challenge and he asked her he said if anything happens to

[00:54:59] me and I get a livin able you look after my mom and I just thought that that was very sweet and I kept looking at her thinking where have I seen you where have I seen you yes she was on survivor

[00:55:12] oh she was too I'm like where have I heard that name yeah yeah well done I had to look it up because those things ate at me and so I had to actually hit pause and go digging because

[00:55:27] yeah I have to know or it will just oh you actually pause before I did I had to find out and I just I just thought that that was a really sweet moment but it was sweet but I thought it was a little

[00:55:41] self-serving as well by him because I think he kind of found Cido they had to think for yeah it was trying to get out you know you should be on our team so we can hang out together all the time

[00:55:52] because he was restful and when she left you know I met this hot girl and you know we're going to hang up and then she just never came back from the path but this was also she went off the

[00:56:05] ward that returned when they when they got ready for the ships um and they got in their lines one of the girls Rachel was she was crying because she's dressed I mean this this joe

[00:56:21] this experience brings out a lot of emotion and some people are gonna react by getting angry or fired up in other people it's gonna be emotional and she was emotional and this was again

[00:56:35] another indication of Brighton getting crabby at someone else who's trying to move to it's not your business it's not she's affecting you she made him feel uncomfortable I guess and he's on this

[00:56:50] team with all these he wanted all the big guys on his team and I just can't say anything he's getting mad at the captain's being like they don't know they don't know have any strategy

[00:57:00] I'm like there's no strategy you just you pull you don't know you've been a brand of spot and hope it's right I don't know maybe there's some strategy I would presume that the boats aren't all

[00:57:10] clumped together but you're about they had some ex I'm just gonna say that oh with battle battleship yeah there is some strategy to it the game of gold was amazing she's like you're always called C3 don't

[00:57:24] you was it she was she was I'm like she was as well I think she got lucky and it made her look smart that's what I think but yeah but they're really true as well but the interesting thing I found with that

[00:57:38] was like you don't want to get the five person ship you don't want to get the crab carry that's what because then you're the one who was too because then you've got more of a chance

[00:57:49] of getting found right but but then with the two-person ship if you do get found you're definitely toast so that's the other side of it right we saw a couple of those go and we saw Leanne the mother

[00:58:00] and son who were on a five-person ship because it got under that last but I mean from the actual the other side like you because then you're committed to five rounds together that's

[00:58:14] you know what I mean and like so you hoping that you'll get a three because when they did it's not all the ships that you need just need to get to you need to hope that you don't get

[00:58:24] the part of the aircraft carry because then you've got to go five turns deep okay so I mean this game was interesting we loved how they had to actually be in the little balls of the

[00:58:34] ship it's like they had a place to do that and I had to figure out at first if you get hit are you automatically dead no but if your ship is gone yeah if you're on the winning team

[00:58:45] yeah but it did look stupid but it was fitting because you're sitting ducks out there and you have a zero control over your face and I don't know if I'd rather be there or be one of the

[00:58:57] captains because as one of the captains you're I think you're more likely to go you can still be on the losing team and we're on a boat so where would you guys rather be would you be on a

[00:59:07] five person boat a three person boat two person boat or one of the captains and lieutenant's I'd be on TJ's team because he did lose anyone that was such an incredible strategic I did lucky promise to you yeah if you were going to all of that was hilarious

[00:59:27] great I loved it I'm just like yeah it was pretty much a whole thing to do as well I hope this works for you that you're able to accomplish this but it statistically it doesn't

[00:59:42] seem like it's going to be possible but he and he delivered on it and so calmly he just puts the spinning it's like if you're going to casino and you're like I'm in a bed on black

[00:59:54] on roulette and I'm going to definitely win and I'm going to then you win and people are like wow I've sent special lot of you know was this just the biggest of the series of 50 50

[01:00:05] which would have run out eventually but yeah but I I thought um it brightened was correct in the fact that he should have gone captain because the girl that did go up was in decisive

[01:00:21] yeah she was but then she was taking suggestions from the yeah yeah and that's exactly but then there were so many people yelling out and and it almost worked out for them but

[01:00:33] whereas game ago she had an idea and was confident and so at least you you don't want someone that's kind of wishy-washy kind of just thinking yeah you need someone bold I just think

[01:00:48] who knows like if because the reason why she got wishy-washy was because she she got they got hit was five and what if what if the they had hit the smart girls both then maybe she would have

[01:01:00] been I don't know she probably it still comes off like the kind of person who would have kept her cool though but I feel like that game is but I thought it was great how it was an unknown game

[01:01:12] and then with all you when you just got we know what's gonna happen on such a shame because all the big guys are gonna win and then it was something completely different which I thought I

[01:01:20] loved it I thought it was fantastic and it was more smart than muscle yeah I wondered why they did that I I think it was a really fun twist in a way to fuck with people because they knew that they

[01:01:33] would try to team up based on strength and that people would be stuck with weaker people and feel like so it was a really fun thing but I also wonder if it was like a liability thing because

[01:01:44] yes really strany us to do tug-or I don't know well with survival they do all sorts of you know physical challenges yeah people nearly drowned yeah there was more for the twist of it

[01:01:55] I guess yeah yeah I think there were a lot of assumptions made yes and that and I had to do it didn't think because otherwise you just know you know the next ones obviously tug-or-or and so

[01:02:09] they had to flip it because otherwise you know we would have just had to worry that big guys going through and I think it honestly threw people off after that because later on in episode 5

[01:02:23] we'll get to it let's go to 4 now so far there's nowhere to hide and first they have this vote or all in line and they have that keypad and everybody gets to vote and the top three

[01:02:39] votes are out and when you vote if you vote for someone new it appears on the board above and everyone can tell that you put someone new on the board hmm that was a good thing wasn't it

[01:02:52] that's crazy with the cat amongst the pigeons yeah it's an open vote and I actually thought that was cool that they did it that way because it made people think although I do I am super curious

[01:03:06] about who people would have voted for had they not done it? Had it been a sacred balance yeah but it was interesting this way to see it all out in the open because it really changed the dynamics as

[01:03:17] soon as someone is up there you're much safer voting for someone who's already there than introducing somebody new and potentially making an enemy I honestly think Leanne picking the runs out saved her

[01:03:30] why because Leanne was like yeah I think yeah she was a target wasn't she she's a possible target why the length says three up the first three that went up are the first two that went up were

[01:03:45] three seven four and a who was stupid in his strategy by saying he said nobody he thought he he wanted to go home and then he said that was just a strategy and so he didn't want everybody feel safe

[01:03:58] pick it up and you also see didn't want survival no it's like and you know what to me it's like you're going home with two idols in your pocket he used screwed up and then dot k number three

[01:04:10] third egg he was helping everyone with like stretches and I was kind of like is there something I'm missing why did Chaney want to go out? Yeah I don't know why Chaney wanted to go after him but

[01:04:24] well he seemed when I first saw him doing all this meditation and stuff I thought okay this is nice I guess it's coming down but then the breathing thing was fine but then when when you first came out

[01:04:37] when they said the rules of the scam and they gave him some time to think about it and he goes let's all talk together and he's trying to control it like let's come up with some equitable way to do this

[01:04:47] then my experience of change and I thought a you're making yourself a target at the worst possible time and b he came off really controlling and it sort of re-contextualized all that other stuff

[01:04:59] and it felt a little creepy and maybe I'm miss reading it but it was just like I didn't have a skill in dealing about him after that I found it to be such a spot like guy you know that there's

[01:05:09] all like you know when there's when you're on a group trip or there's always someone that that is trying to get everyone to do what he's really into and let's all go into yoga

[01:05:21] on the beach which is a survivor thing and some people get into a bit half of the people get I rolly about it and it just and right before you're picking someone to leave that was the worst time

[01:05:32] yeah yeah yeah yeah you don't want to make yourself a target so he was number two and then um he wasn't number two he was the second one nominated no second one nominated yes he was no because the first guy was Andy right the guy you

[01:05:50] pretended to leave and then second in line was Lee Ann the mother you're right and she just didn't rude to by Lorenzo so she picked him so I mean I think she kind of I mean he reciprocated

[01:06:09] by the way but he was rude he was rude but but he was just kind of his he's sick you know when he's just a bit camp and he's just a bit bitchy and all of that but but she didn't realize

[01:06:22] how she came across yeah when all when kind of 10 people disappear and squeeze juice and they come out and they're like have an orange juice why didn't you have an orange juice

[01:06:33] and he was right because he don't know what that means yeah so they might say all the people the picture orange juice now must do this you know um so he was just a bit rude about it and

[01:06:45] and it's this whole thing of like never give anyone a reason to point it to you and he could have just refused it both of those things bringing out the apple slices which seem like kind of ingratiating and apple sizes and yeah voting for this guy

[01:07:04] that those are the two things that because I've said Lee Ann and her son probably my favorite at this point but yeah yeah those two things that that were or pretty questionable on her part strategically yeah well we haven't talked about my favorites who are

[01:07:20] Cheney no no no no no no no no no I like Steven and Rick they last knock yeah I just found that they're little friendships so cute and especially because they you know they have that little challenge where they have to go um play games that like what

[01:07:46] like how did that fit in was that just to give them some screen time it had no further the meaning did it well Rick want a chocolate bar that was that was it yeah and they tried to

[01:07:58] tie it in to the show because it right yeah no absolutely yeah but that but it obviously made them unnecessarily targets so one the that was an odd thing it was for those two to be true because we actually have played that game I think how do you

[01:08:23] pronounce it but where they try to flip the thing over and it seemed like they're just goofing around knocking around and then they she said you have lost even as that's

[01:08:32] the name yes lost and I'm like oh I think they both thought oh I might add like right I mean they were nervous about it and it was just a chocolate bar so it felt like kind of like

[01:08:43] I'm like yeah so yeah so they're in line and and uh 374 gets voted for by the first guy then Lee-Anne votes for the Renzo and then everybody just kept voting for those two and I thought

[01:09:00] yeah that's what I would do I would just vote for somebody who's already here but then um Cheney comes up number 179 she was in a pact with her alliance to vote for number 330

[01:09:13] uh Dr. V he's called I guess and and I thought oh if I if I had promised to do that but then I saw the dynamics I might go back on it and just vote for somebody who was already up there but

[01:09:28] and then my group might be mad at me so this is why I might not survive in something like this but then she just went on through with it yeah that put her at risk is then 33 voted for her but I notice

[01:09:39] it like you think oh wow somebody's gonna be hated after this because they voted for somebody and now they're gonna have to face them but that didn't happen because the first guy voted for

[01:09:51] 374 Andy and Andy ended up out Andy must have voted for somebody who was already up there because yeah it's only five. Lee-Anne voted for Lorenzo who voted for her back but he left so there's no

[01:10:03] animosity there because he's gone and this woman Cheney voted for 330 who voted for her back and he ended up leaving so there were no like enemies that came out of it. Right because Lee-Anne and

[01:10:16] Cheney were the only two left and neither one of them voted for each others so they weren't yeah they were fine. It was a good little section though yeah pretty fun. I like Dr.

[01:10:33] Tee or Rick the older guy you know yeah and Steven but there was a woman in this episode where I thought he started to seem a little weird when he was talking about his bees and wondered if they

[01:10:43] ought of him too. Yeah that I did wonder pun honestly if you've been cut off from the bees you love it. I'm stuck in this place I mean I don't know who knows what you done up talking about. That's true

[01:10:56] very good. You could be on there talking about Ash and if he could be saying the stupidish yeah like I pee my pants all the time or something. I mean people don't know I mean it's funny I think

[01:11:11] you get in a place where you don't even realize what you're saying. Yeah well you just get used to the and I did a reality show once so I was on make me this supermodel as a photographer

[01:11:23] and yeah it ties in I did the American one and you did yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah we have to talk John I think I loved that show. I loved that show yeah it was a lot of fun. Did you forget about the cameras?

[01:11:37] You do yeah you forget your own and and or that you could concentrate on a bit it was interesting there were some because I was in charge of was voting the guy out you know and and

[01:11:53] like and it's interesting because there was this one guy and I watched a lot of reality and he was doing the he made himself cry and and I'm like are they obviously want that want this guy to

[01:12:03] stay so you know and but I'm like so it seems so forced and obvious the tears and you know it's just an attention thing and so I'm like leaning to and the producers came up to me and

[01:12:16] talked to me about who I was going to vote out and and I'm like well I'm leaning on keeping this guy and they're like oh no if you don't like him go for it you know make sure you

[01:12:28] say if you ever feel about him so there was some kind of influence from the producers on who would leave but in the end it was my decision but you totally forget about the cameras

[01:12:41] and you might up the whole time and so they will catch things and and it doesn't take long for you to not think about it and I just think I have a big mouth and I would

[01:12:54] for sure at some point say something and regret it later. podcasting you can edit that shit out. Yeah you can I love that about podcasting but you can say something stupid I say here's

[01:13:07] sometimes when I'm podcasting and I'll make a note delete that and that's how it is just like that's gotta go. I'm not keeping that in. I don't know what I was thinking at that point

[01:13:19] but no it's gotta go. But the the one mistake I did make was they're like okay so leave some time and for you know between and who I'm voting out is and and so I just thought they had all these

[01:13:35] cameras and we cut it in right and he's like no no you've got to go longer and so I was I they wanted me to pause for at least two minutes but I told the answer that's not one time. It's

[01:13:48] 40 seconds yet. So everyone's just like oh come on come on come on but and then when I said the thing it said who it was I saw the director go oh obviously never invited back home but that was

[01:14:02] the straightest I do. Okay let's we we'll find out which one that is we can start with. Episode five trick or treat started with the jack in the box game there's six well five they

[01:14:21] wanted five volunteers to go up and pick among the six jack in the boxes you could either get well I don't think they did they say what you would win a surprise that's it huh and then

[01:14:35] they once they got up there they said or immediate elimination that's when you did say you could have a bench in the next game and then the power to eliminate someone or you might be eliminated

[01:14:48] and it wasn't extra jack in the box wasn't that yeah six and so and I noticed they're so at this point the stress is really mounting because just being presented with a jack in the box it

[01:15:00] looks like you just got told your wife wanted to force or something it's like oh yeah and then when they're doing it in the deck of the box out there like oh well and people like in their little

[01:15:12] groups were we're out like in amongst all those that were watching where they why why did they go why did he decide to do this what are you doing yeah because that's what we learned yeah

[01:15:24] about it's different than us yeah I wonder they're all sitting around I wonder if there's I meant to go back and look if there's any clocks because you must be going nuts I saw

[01:15:35] there are like doing it excised together and dancing and stuff like trying to figure out what to do and I can imagine just getting antsy and wanting to do something and not sit there like

[01:15:44] some of things like I want to have some control have some control but also being involved you want to play the game because it looked fun you know but I wouldn't do it I would try my way

[01:15:55] to just take it out but I think you need to be strong really many tough not to stick your hand up that's right yeah so so I'm sorry definitely were you about to say something oh we learned about

[01:16:08] the the corner which is another alliance because we'd already heard about is it the gangboot gang yeah so we'd already heard about them which is Rick and Steven and a bunch the others and they

[01:16:20] lost a few people along the way but we also learned about the corner which is one of the guys that went up there his alliance was the one that was saved why do you go up there because he's going up

[01:16:33] nobody knows that was not the one that was not part of the plan and at that point you don't want to lose anyone in your alliance because you don't know if another voting thing is going to

[01:16:47] come up or what's going to be happening so you have to be really you know cognizant of that and try to stay below the radar which is good I think it's a great idea to do that but these five people

[01:17:01] decide to go up and then they have to start doing the jack in the box which and itself to me is a scary thing just because you're waiting for it to pop up I never like the jack and barbed in

[01:17:14] never like it because it'll always give you a jump skit and I like how when it came up and they'd see it but you wouldn't and you'd see their reaction like yeah oh you're like what well

[01:17:26] so the first guy he first guy Jesse got in one of the race no oh he got to eliminate somebody yeah I mean okay Jesse yeah Jesse was 183 he had to eliminate two people

[01:17:43] he was he's the one that picked someone he never talked before yeah number 26 and dash number 141 who before this was cause it also it's a trouble with training and telling stories was getting into

[01:17:58] trouble and telling lies and well he I mean when he went and told that one woman yeah I voted for so and so uh what was that girl's name again I forgot I just said it as I went to oh yeah yeah

[01:18:13] he said yeah I voted for and she's like you could tell right away I don't think he should have told that and then she went right over and told her and it's like this guy's toast yeah and he kept going

[01:18:25] around telling people telling people yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah like no this is a little too much survivor for skit game you don't have to go and get a bit

[01:18:41] that you know a bit dramatic I was thinking about you know I love British bake-off you guys are really sad I've seen a couple episodes it's my favorite and yeah it's great it's the anti-reality

[01:18:54] show because there's really nice to each other and they even held their hands together and they moved for each other and it's just as engaging to me but way less stressful it's more um I mean

[01:19:06] I like them both but it's more uplifting and makes you feel good it cannot be on a diet the yeah no why you're watching that all you're going to do is gotta know it so I was like

[01:19:17] so it kind of proves that you don't need all of this kind of stuff but um I think like all this backbiting and setting pitting people against each other and stuff like that but um I wonder how does

[01:19:31] bake-off get away with that and I think part of it is that the stakes are low on their I mean yeah you might get a career out of it but the prize is a cake yeah plate that's it yeah

[01:19:45] it's really creepy there's no money you know and and I think everyone wants to on that to compete with a compete with they have their cakes competed in each other rather than if someone just

[01:19:58] messes up then they they're automatically out you know yeah they want it not about being so sort of the best cake wins rather than the person that's stuffed up losers I mean the way they do manufacture drama on that show is they don't give enough time

[01:20:12] so it's always a race against the clock but they don't manufacture drama among the contestants though just interesting but anyway so at one point I think it was the second guy he got it

[01:20:23] advantage in the next game that's what it said but yeah he was the next to the last guy that got to draw it because I think that the drama that got built the way they they didn't just say okay

[01:20:35] your first in line you get to do your jack-in-the-box first they were very strategic and through they picked because after Jesse it was Joel and he was eliminated yeah right away and then Kyle who was from the corner got to pick one person one person and he eliminated

[01:20:58] darius out of Cheney's alliance and I'm just thinking you might have wanted to go for Cheney because she's like the she's the ringleader she's the one that can get alliance then yeah I mean

[01:21:12] if you're gonna go for the alliance go for the head of the other side and as he's still he's still around huh the guy he got yes I'll did not get eliminated so he's got a price on his head you know it

[01:21:24] yep and Jacobin number 130 gunned advantage for the next challenge and he was all stoked and then hurricane philasia to tonight came into the picture oh she she was brutal old tears she hurt my soul I'm just gonna say to you she hurt my soul see I was

[01:21:51] liking her because they showed her doing interviews talking about struggles of having a shot they they did some purpose they got us like oh I'm very sympathetic towards you and it's interesting to me how in the squid game show the actual show they kind of have these tracks

[01:22:09] you to numbers and everything to dehumanize the players but yeah they did in this reality show they do these interviews so they will humanize them so they will feel more connected with them so I

[01:22:21] felt pretty connected with her she also didn't like that a lot of men were ganging up and I noticed she picked all men in her eliminations but anyway wow she's going up with all the women

[01:22:33] yeah but she thinks it's not yeah and then I was like oh wow I don't like you anymore which I mean it's a game so you gotta remember I mean that's how emotionally I felt

[01:22:47] but logically I'm like okay fine that's part of the game but I didn't like her as much after that because she was there was so many tears and the sympathy of like oh you know I might get

[01:22:56] eliminated I might get eliminated but then there was no regret with her eliminations yeah there was just the wow that the tears dried up like she was on tattoo we were like an imperial officer

[01:23:09] exactly exactly yeah um it very much in who she picked a vote out was and I know we keep making reference to survivor but I know John then we'll get this when you get to a certain point you have

[01:23:25] to switch your strategy and not look at the strongest player physically but more the strongest player that people are going to vote for in that and they have to go so she's like the ones yeah the

[01:23:38] most likable so she took out your co-band much to his surprise he could have believed that she would want to take him out knowing that you know he just got this advantage which it made me think

[01:23:54] he was exempt for many things I'll have to re-put it up there I mean I was shocked at that or else he just wasn't thinking about it yeah but that was the exact right move to oh yeah

[01:24:08] that was the most clearly right because you don't want anyone having an advantage and it makes me wonder if anybody will actually ever have an advantage in a game because they keep saying that but

[01:24:18] it hasn't happened yet and I want to let the advantage would have been because we know the next game is marbles and so maybe he would have gotten his own picnic blanket and he would have been

[01:24:27] right and now I'm going to take that boy yeah and then she took out my boys and Steven and I I just couldn't even it just it was that was harsh was it really it was so harsh

[01:24:48] yeah it's like no good I don't want to watch this anymore yeah and Steven in the beginning is talking about how his friend Chase dragged him or got him to the show because he as soon as he became a dad

[01:25:02] he just became a home body and he was going out and doing having adventures he was sticking to home with his family and then Chase got eliminated right in the first round so he's made it this

[01:25:14] fire and him and Rick have this cute little like friends yeah like straight from the original series you know yes very much you like buddies and as much as I hated it Felicia took out she made incredibly smart decision she shifted the path of the game

[01:25:36] 100. It went up to another reality yeah so it felt very like when you're watching the show squid game you feel like you've been punched in the gut and this is what I felt like you know too

[01:25:52] so just starting to really enjoy those two guys and yeah the man up was a door above really nice and the old guy was just you know like that little game with a bit but that's that's the

[01:26:04] interesting thing because they how could they have known when they put them those two to pay that flip game that they'd be eliminated you know maybe there were some contestants and I didn't

[01:26:17] read any details but accusing them of rigging the game and it does make me wonder yeah well I mean the boy tends to go guy to choose the the moment you know yeah so there maybe somebody told her to

[01:26:36] choose them yeah you know because it did seem a little bit out of the blue it did because they out of the blue didn't yeah that's what they were not in people's faces and to me she seems pretty

[01:26:49] intelligent so I would have been looking at the heads of alliances to take out like that's what I would have done it it makes me wonder now that we're talking it through but they were like well let's show a little

[01:27:01] one let's show a warm scene with them and then tell her yeah tell her to pick up but then but like you know it was that was so weird about because it was such an odd thing that chocolate

[01:27:13] challenge I know as part of the at the beginning of the game and it was relevant and all all that but it just immediately put a massive target on on their backs because there was no

[01:27:23] other implication for me or well they didn't tell anybody they didn't tell anyone had some mowing and they were and that's the target so they're backs and maybe right they should have come out

[01:27:36] and told the truth but I mean but then maybe people still would have been pissed off I mean you you just don't know it's like a huge out of like such a lie doesn't it like yeah we just

[01:27:47] played that guy yeah I gave the winner a chocolate yeah yeah yeah that's true which maybe they thought that people wouldn't believe them maybe that's why they did it because I thought people think

[01:27:56] they were like okay this next part is probably my favorite it's so savage so they give them all lousy food for days and then they manipulate them and they're pairing up with people that

[01:28:08] they like by throwing this picnic they it was so clever because they made it part of this challenge if you can do this challenge we'll all get a treat and they have to put the orange juice

[01:28:18] into these pictures and fill it up and so it makes it seem like okay we get the treat because of that and then it's a picnic and they all get blankets and they have to pair up and then they find

[01:28:28] the marbles underneath and again not spoiling is little swimming as little of squid game as possible but as you could tell by watching this as soon as they saw the marbles they knew that each

[01:28:39] one of these pair would be eliminated or that one person each pair would be eliminated and it was just so deliciously savage and horrible especially with the mother and son together you know and you saw

[01:28:51] their reaction like they saw them the marbles and they threw them back in like if you threw the back in no one would know like no look like they got hung up because I forgot what the marble

[01:29:02] game was so when when I watched them finding these marbles it was probably like someone who never seen squid games like oh this is clearly bad like you didn't tell by the expressions that

[01:29:14] yeah it's not fun it's not the fun childhood game you remember and and just the realization slowly dawning other people's faces and they look at each other and they're like uh huh and this

[01:29:27] thing that started out as this like fun joy is turned into this nightmare over the course of 30 seconds or something I know and I already feel like I've lost to some of my favorite people

[01:29:40] in this game and now I'm like you're gonna take half of them yeah but yeah but yeah yeah they're still a lot of people there are and I keep thinking okay well there's only a

[01:29:55] couple I like but no there's more than that because I did a second watch because I was trying to really get names and not just numbers like really like get the names to go with a numbers and

[01:30:08] I realized it's like no there's still some people left that I like on here um and then I went to the list so I could actually see because on uh Wikipedia they have a list of the names and the numbers

[01:30:23] of people that are still left because I was curious curious the guy that crossed the finish line first in uh Robloj Greenlight I'm like is he still there because I couldn't remember so I kind of

[01:30:40] followed his trajectory and he did get eliminated during the worship game okay if you go to the wiki there's all these great charts show yeah I love it but I think there's infinite some amazing

[01:30:57] it's almost a people have to be sure that in the next five episodes because we're only halfway through we're going to meet characters that we never know before yeah you do wonder I will say this um

[01:31:11] picking I were talking about about the show and he pointed out there was someone who got eliminated in the very first round um during red light Greenlight who's someone that we met when we

[01:31:26] were in Vegas yeah she's a wrestler and I didn't notice and I watched first five episodes looking for who am I supposed to know that's and then I see the blue hair she got eliminated like

[01:31:41] a foot from the line like she got she almost made it through the first challenge but um it's kind of cool and then there are different people that I know that know someone who's in it or was in it

[01:31:56] so it's kind of it's kind of cool to think about all right I think that's a good talk about the episodes I've got some news and one uh comment from Cara who's watching too so let's get into

[01:32:12] the news so from npr.org to contestants this is a little bit of a doubt or but of the show are threatening legal action over alleged injuries they said they suffered while filming including hypothermia um basically they said that in the red light Greenlight that it lasted hours

[01:32:33] and it was cold and their uniformed to warm enough yeah and Netflix says that we take the welfare of our contestants extremely seriously we care deeply about the health and safety of our

[01:32:46] casted crew blah blah so while it was very cold on set all all impetusments were prepared for that and claims of serious injury are untrue so I don't know probably Netflix's full of crap but

[01:33:01] I don't know it's all alleged it probably was cold and they probably was annoying and would they probably were there for ages but I don't think it's anything soable but people super anything because you know probably people prefer to settle and I've been on some

[01:33:19] made some big sets in those warehouse kind of uh studios and they do get cold because you can't heat it properly and all of that sort of thing but you know well this is one of those

[01:33:35] money-making ventures this was filmed inside an aircraft hanger yeah no exactly yeah in warf studios in London so I mean and they massive yeah yeah yeah yeah you can't heat things

[01:33:53] and if you look at the sets that they had to build to do the games of course it was a large location in England yeah when when I was on the the walking dead in the season two finale

[01:34:08] outside when the zombie stormed her shuls farm and that was filmed over four nights like 12 hour plus filming nights and it was mostly in the middle of the night and it was freezing cold

[01:34:22] and they would in between shots bring out this little like hand cart that had all these snuggies in it rightly colored so you'd see all these zombies with these like fuzzy pick and blues snuggies

[01:34:35] and then we have to take a ball off and film and one time me and my because I was there with my friend Grace and uh we forgot to take it off and they said action and we're like crap so we just

[01:34:45] started going rrrr and I was like wanted to see if you ever see a pink and blue but we didn't I guess they didn't use- did you get in trouble? did you get in trouble on the set? I did yeah

[01:34:57] yeah so we wanted to tell now or I guess I could I don't want to take too much time but I so there was a scene where her shell was shooting us with a shotgun and it was me and four others

[01:35:10] that were chosen to get shot and we did it a couple of times and I was the fifth one but he wasn't shooting me. He was only shooting the first four and so I raised my hand and I go you told

[01:35:26] me that he was going to shoot me and I ready to drop but he's not shooting me and then the assistant director was running the whole thing came over to me and goes you're telling me how to

[01:35:37] do my job and just like started chewing me out and I didn't realize but I know now in Hollywood it's this hierarchical thing and if you're an extra you keep your mouth closed and so I was like I'm sorry

[01:35:49] I didn't mean to tell you anything I'm just trying to help you know what to do yeah and have a big event structure. I think she realized later because then when I had another thing where I did

[01:35:59] a zombie walk she goes you know what that's like one of the best zombie walks I've ever seen and everybody who because after she had cheated me out all the other extras sort of were keeping with

[01:36:10] the synths from me and then after she said that they came over like what did you do can you show us and so I think she knew that she saw I was an outcast so she wanted to raise my status a little

[01:36:20] little. All the other zombies were avoiding you you're like this soul is on the field right but she saved me because after that it was like it never happened so interesting I mean that

[01:36:33] that all experience like I went they said one day you know you can go over to the catering today because they had extra so when over there and I was like oh can I get that in that and they're like no

[01:36:44] no no no not that cart that's the extra good you can go here I'm like okay fine and then and then they go I'm sorry and then as I walked away I could hear one of them say to you

[01:36:55] they're like but not really or something like that and I'm like I can still hear you like I treat the peon's like crap I hate it. Yeah you don't have yeah that's kind of mean.

[01:37:07] Yeah I don't it made me not want to be I don't I could not thrive in a system like that where the little people get treated like crap I just yeah I feel like everyone has good ideas

[01:37:18] it's okay. Anyway okay next and last thing I think this is pretty interesting I only glance to her because I wanted to get it while we're on the podcast here but inside of dot com

[01:37:31] had an essay from Danny template I guess his or name she was the one the contestant who was talking with Kyle the Kentucky guy in the kitchen and told him to he got to eliminate science she said you

[01:37:43] should do the guy who's the leader of this yeah alliance so it's called I was on Squid Game the Challenge the Red Light Green Light game took hours to film and I knew karma would get me after

[01:37:54] I limited it someone she says my first thought when I heard about Squid Game the challenge was who doesn't want 4.56 million dollars it was 1 a.m. on a summer night in 2022 and I was

[01:38:06] scrolling TikTok I came across a video saying Netflix was searching for contestants for a reality competition show based on the Korean show Squid Game as a fan of this show when it first came out I

[01:38:16] knew it would be a challenge I'd been craving more life experience as well as opportunities to travel and meet new people Squid Game the challenge would be all that plus a million dollar bonus how

[01:38:26] could I not at least try. I had to submit a minute long audition video this is when I probably should have stopped and taken a look at myself I had poorly done makeup on the bottom of my eyes from a failed

[01:38:37] attempt to wash it off despite that I launched into a monologue about why I love reality shows and how competitive I am I got the call back a week later I was then passed on to a zoom call with the

[01:38:49] shows producers and they said they'd get back to me that I heard nothing for six months around November or December the producers finally contacted me to say they were flying me to the UK in January to compete on the show and hindsight I probably should have done more

[01:39:03] preparation than just rewatching Squid Game but how is I to know how difficult the challenge would truly be. The energy of the first day would be unmatched the other contestants and I were collected

[01:39:14] from our hotel at 3am and driven down to the set for the first game wow 3am if we're at start did we were given our costumes which included the signature green jumpsuit from the original show

[01:39:24] under the track suits and our shirts we were also fitted with a bulky vest that had loads of tubes and ink in it this would explode and make a whistling sound to signify a player had been eliminated

[01:39:36] it was intimidating and I remember every part of my body wanting to flinch the first time I heard it the first game was redlight green light and they recreated the environment from the show including

[01:39:46] the surreal terrifying doll the aim of the game was to get from one end of the building to the other without being spotted by a rotating doll at the finish line in the final cut they make it seem like

[01:39:56] we did the game in five minutes we were there for at least six exhausting hours I remember I didn't finish filming until 1am the next day and I got hypo thermi and I'm just kidding I had it up

[01:40:07] I was like the game itself was by no means a walk in the park it was very chilly that day and for some reason another contestant and I thought it would be better to start from the back of the crowd

[01:40:18] on one hand this meant we could hide behind players which I took full advantage of but this immediately backfired since everyone in front of us was so slow after two rounds of the doll singing

[01:40:29] and stopping we still weren't over the starting line but I was very proud of myself for getting to the end with roughly 30 seconds to spare I think I was in the second to last group of people

[01:40:40] to make it to the finish line and I waited there to cheer the final players on once it was overall I wanted was a hot shower and a massage I was in one of the first groups to walk into the dormitory

[01:40:52] and I immediately ran to a bed in the corner the best bed in the entire room so I could survey everyone and strategize the dorms were we ate our meals as you see on the show but meal times were

[01:41:03] a challenge I was raised in Louisiana where we put seasoning and everything and one of the meals they gave us tasted like cold pasta with ketchup on it there was a bathroom and toilets

[01:41:14] connected to the main room but this meant we were sharing 10 toilets with more than 200 people you do the math it was a lot of queuing for showers or to brush your teeth like you're at a festival

[01:41:25] we had no access to windows or any it's much easier now that most everyone's gone we had no access to windows or anything that would indicate the time of day we know it was bed time

[01:41:35] only when we were warned that they were switching off the lights so I guess no clocks on the first day in the dorms there were no challenges so players could get to know each other

[01:41:45] I formed a close group with five there were no challenges so players could get to know each other I formed a close group with five people who I'm still in touch with and will be friends with for life

[01:41:54] I was assigned my chore on day two Kyle the other person called up and I went to another room where we found carrots and peeler sitting on the table without any instructions well what instructions do you need but they didn't know how to use the vegetable peelers

[01:42:08] I'm like oh that was in it I didn't even notice yeah they didn't know what to do are you serious yeah you should they should be eliminated immediately eventually the announcer told us that we would be taking the first social test we could

[01:42:28] either eliminate another player or give a player an advantage we chose elimination and I was really excited about it it was just a thrilling to be able to secretly vote someone out eventually show

[01:42:38] chose player 200 and multi who we saw had been making too many allies however as soon as we walked out of the room I felt guilty I knew karma was gonna get me we played the second game

[01:42:49] the dogona challenge on the evening of the third day in this game we had to cut a shape out of a cookie using our tongues and a needle I was given the star shape and honestly as I was going to the game

[01:43:01] I accepted the idea of losing I was tired I was craving a hamburger and coke and I had betrayed another player I thought if I get eliminated right now is what I deserve and then as I broke

[01:43:12] the cookie and the vests shot ink on me I thought it was karma I was never told who won the money so I have to watch the show to find out in the end I may not have won the competition but I did

[01:43:22] get that life experience I wanted that's interesting it's kind of a philosophical way of looking at it I think to take from it what she got well you know admitting no she didn't win the money but

[01:43:38] taken the experience and being grateful for that but I wouldn't feel bad about choosing not to give another player an advantage it's like if you're in tennis and you're like do you want to give

[01:43:54] the other person an extra serve no yeah I don't know Jayson I have a hard time thinking that you would not I don't think you would have eliminated a player I think you would have given the advantage

[01:44:13] I do shows how well you know me no I mean I would have gotten logical about it yeah I would have said emotionally I don't like this but it's a game thanks we're all here someone probably annoyed you you know it was like very against Brighton immediately

[01:44:31] it would have been someone that you could have gone yeah that guy over there that I noticed earlier you like I'd be keeping a number up my sleeve sure that someone not who's not obvious but

[01:44:43] someone I really want out but I haven't had that in any game direction so it couldn't come back I mean what these two didn't was smart they picked someone who had been making a lot of friends you know

[01:44:54] that's that's logical that's setting your emotions aside and being strategic about it he was a player yeah which it seems harsh but it is a game and everybody's trying to win and they

[01:45:06] all do the same thing unless they're dumb like the guy Spencer who was trying to be nice I mean in real life I would not act that way but well there's a point in other reality game shows

[01:45:20] that people start to get the first their play in the game but they get to the point where they have to make very tough decisions and people get really spiteful when they get voted out

[01:45:38] and so in the end even though the best player is one of the final two they don't win because people are too spiteful yeah getting voted out that's true and that's a question there that person you wanted win never wins and it was true over about like

[01:46:00] the 20 seasons I watched in a row there was probably about two where the person I thought deserved and wanted to win won yeah you're right it's always the it's always a revenge thing

[01:46:14] a resentment thing you know they don't want to vote for the person you got them updated and certainly not the best player either not the one that got sometimes they do sometimes someone so overwhelmingly successful but often it's they'll have already been voted out if they're too good

[01:46:33] at the game some of the best players of survivor made it to like the top four like could not win because people realized that they were so good that they probably would win if they got to the final two

[01:46:50] so they get rid of them like Tyson for example yeah I know who Tyson is I mean Jason your friends with the next season of survivor yeah I talked to him in a while but they always called him like

[01:47:05] the best player never was one of the best players who never won he honestly was so strategically strong but he won one didn't he? no that was the rough that was yeah Jason knows not boss

[01:47:20] 16 now yeah yeah who was on the Amazon season and finished I think he was fourth they got rid of him Mike White was on there I want to watch he was yeah I won't spoil it for you he was also Jason

[01:47:37] on the amazing race it's good as well yeah okay we have one message all right so uh Cara Latchelay first the lawyer and me would absolutely love to review the contract these people sign in petition signed to petition payers contestants because holy hell I'm almost finished with the

[01:47:58] second episode and seeing the performance among Jevidi Dr Dr V doing calming breathing exercises with a large group of players is such a welcome site throughout the first episode in the second I couldn't help but think about the psychological pressure and stress these people are putting

[01:48:15] themselves through watching multiple people cry and one guy nearly throughout the time from the stress during the Dalgana cookie challenge made me wonder what kind of any of psych evaluations were done to make sure people were mentally healthy enough to compete yeah with this guy as we

[01:48:36] stay I'm like if they gave him the psych of all then it was to make sure that he was unstable so we would entertain him and you're something I've never seen someone's face change color you

[01:48:48] know so intensely you know someone had a dial that was just turning it up and down. Poor guy yes all right she goes on to say psychologically I can imagine it hasn't effect on at least some

[01:49:00] players that the setting they're in the conditions they're experiencing and the games they're playing are basically identical to the life or death show while nobody is at risk of actually dying it seems

[01:49:13] ridiculous to ignore the state of our economy right now and how many people are living paycheck to paycheck or cannot make ends meet with over 4 million on the line the anxiety for many must be

[01:49:26] astronomical I honestly wouldn't be surprised if some players walked away with a PTSD diagnosis after all was said and done as somebody who was never a fan of shows like survivor I struggle with the ethics of these high stress entertainment reality show sometimes our contestants truly giving

[01:49:48] fully informed consent does that matter I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts and any background info on the reality series you'll come across yeah I'm going to pay attention more to what people are saying afterwards in their interviews about their perspective sounded afterwards

[01:50:06] it's interesting yeah I'm waiting for everything to be over before I go start yeah doing any big searches because I'm still afraid that someone knows something and they're posting and I don't want to know

[01:50:19] until I can watch it myself sure that's true maybe this is me being an apologist but but I think if you watched Squid Game and then went on a reality show that's like Squid Game then

[01:50:33] you better be ready for some you better get ready to go to the family and family a big role you know especially a lot of money and a lot of money you know this is going to be huge and

[01:50:44] people but I don't think you write it don't think people realise how hard it's going to be like that's one thing they're so much if I were to go back again is like you can't see how difficult

[01:50:56] this is on TV you know the the starvation the the sleep deprivation the the cold and all that but then at the same time you turn around and there's you know a hundred what probably a dozen TV

[01:51:11] cameras so that you're seeing and I wonder if it's a lot of hidden cameras on this one because you're really yeah yeah it must be right yeah but yeah yeah I think so

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[01:52:34] that is so much fun and then Daphne tell us what you're up to right now on run to the last last week we are actually on a break we usually take the month of November off

[01:52:49] twice a year we take a month off in between seasons but we're coming back on December 8th with a new episode so you want to keep it a secret um yeah I'm gonna keep the secret

[01:53:03] sorry yeah we're coming back it's it's gonna be great and other than that I'm waiting for one of the shows to come back either the in-mix tale or yellow jackets actually we're getting

[01:53:16] ready to do a yellow jacket's trivia episode in about a oh yeah I got a brush up on my yellow jackets I forgot I'm doing it yeah I've got some tough questions and if you haven't watched yellow

[01:53:30] yellow jackets I I've been watching for ages in the Jason type thing I got to watch it got to watch it and I'm I find you know I've started I've realized that when friends

[01:53:41] recommend a show you should watch it and so I'm like okay I'm gonna watch it and it was one of my favorite shows of the year was really fun really unexpected and and super interesting so if you

[01:53:53] haven't checked that or read or out already that's definitely a good one to watch over the winter it's one of those podcasts too that I mean it's one of those shows too that cries out for a podcast

[01:54:04] because yes I mean our podcast is called yellow jackets WTF because you don't know what they'll it's going on a lot of the time it's really really fun to talk about so if you go to podcast

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