4: Squid Game: The Challenge S1E6-9

[00:00:00] 1. I know I can do this. Be confident in yourself and everyone will feel the same energy. My heart isn't in a right place. My mind is balanced. Take a time, teach. I know I can do this. We will make it. That we can. We will make it.

[00:00:50] Oh my gosh. Player 1-8. Hey everybody, welcome to the podcast, I'm Jason. And I'm Daphne. And I'm Jonathan. And this episode recovering Squid Game the Challenge season 1 episode 6 through 9. We had said that we were going to come back next with our next regular Squid Game episode,

[00:01:42] but I thought about it. And I'm like, no, we should jump on this in between these 4 episodes and the finale while people are still thinking about it and wanting to chat about it. Once it's over, we'll do another one, but it won't be as immediate.

[00:01:53] You know, so I thought let's just get on and talk about it while we're all sort of in it. Absolutely. Yeah, I'm definitely in it because as soon as I could, I was just been doing those episodes. I did not wait.

[00:02:08] There's so little while there's so much and so little to watch these days that I wanted to keep one, but yeah, I did three in a row, I think. Yeah, this has got me like it's good to have a show where you just like,

[00:02:19] why do I have to do whatever else it is you're doing? I want to be watching the show. Yeah. So just quickly, how did you guys feel about these 4 episodes in comparison to the first two? Did you think the quality state that's same or different in any way?

[00:02:36] I think the quality was the same. I think the intensity and I'm top even more. I felt a lot of tension in particular during one part, which was the glass bridge. That one. I could barely breathe. I could barely breathe during that.

[00:02:58] I was so nervous for people and you could tell how intense it was for them to. Because in that one, it was different. They actually died if they lost. Yeah, yeah, no. Just kidding. I like where did they go? Oh man. I don't know.

[00:03:15] We should have looked at it. I didn't. So I don't know. I know. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't know. Yeah, I didn't know. Because I heard it was said. Yeah. But I heard that there was an interesting way they did it.

[00:03:28] But I only have a light in the story. So I looked forward to getting some more detail. How about you Jonathan? I thought it was great. You look, it gets more and more intense as it gets down to the end.

[00:03:41] And this show is very brutal because there's no one stays on for up to. It's on for up TV reasons I don't think. You mean they don't like pick people to stay on kind of because they're too.

[00:03:55] I mean, I heard some rumour that actually in the red light green light that they put some extra time on the clock to get the the mum through. Oh, I saw a video of one of the other players. But whether that's true or not who knows.

[00:04:13] I'm grateful if they did. Yeah. And she's amazing. So amazing. Bad for it to miss out by a couple of seconds, but they're the same for everyone. Right. But you know, I'm really enjoying it. It's intense and it's thoughtful and it questions things and it's exciting.

[00:04:35] And the great thing is it's new when you don't know how it's going to happen basically. Yeah. I really liked it too. I felt like the quality kept up and I love how they put them in these impossible situations.

[00:04:49] And some are surprising you wouldn't under really understand how it's going to go. And I think maybe even the producers think they might think they know how something is going to go, but not until it's actually happening to have you really know it's like an experiment.

[00:05:02] A lab experiment or something. But I thought what felt a little different is we have many fewer contestants especially as it goes along. So that gave it a different feel where you kind of have a sense of who almost everyone is and towards the end actually everyone.

[00:05:16] So that gave it like I kind of dug the feel at the beginning which was much different than anything I'd seen before, there's so many but it's great also to win it down to.

[00:05:24] But another thing I think was different is that there were definitely people I was annoyed with in the first five, but this time I was furious at a couple of people. I wanted to punch him. What are you doing? They adjust us. Yeah, I was there.

[00:05:42] Bringing your neck right now and the gas slide and maybe you can't plug it. What's happening here? So it makes me wonder if we're thinking about the same people or maybe we're thinking about different people. Yeah, we're looking at the other one. They tuned listen up.

[00:06:00] So let's start with episode six goodbye where they play the marbles if you see. Good game this was in it and everyone's in a pair. 20 minutes to devise and play any game with marbles whatever each pair agreed on.

[00:06:16] And I thought it was interesting how they pick different types of games some chance some skill. When was like odd even guessing whether I have an auto or even amount. Anyway, they have to pick a winner by the end and if they fail they both get eliminated.

[00:06:30] So yeah one thing I'll say before you get into it with you guys having this thing with people who liked each other because of the picnic.

[00:06:40] It made it wasn't like I thought and that's what I kind of wonder if the producers thought oh we're really going to see people's viciousness towards each other out there.

[00:06:48] But it actually made it more touching and a little more like great British bake off for a lot of them where they're hugging and apologizing and being really fair with each other.

[00:06:56] It was really interesting but maybe it would have been more interesting in a vicious way if they hadn't done that. If they just put random people together then you'd see more trickery or something, you know, or more struggle.

[00:07:08] But I thought when they put the people together and that's what I really admired was the the stoicism of of everyone of most people That even though they knew that they were going to push someone out. They got on with it and accepted it. They're gluing or anything.

[00:07:28] Yeah, and I almost was holding it over anyone or mocking everyone more mostly. And I found it admirable how most people handled this and they accepted what happened and they placed and who they played about which which kind of made everything that kind of later was.

[00:07:46] People did have things that have it. And I kind of think we'll get to it later but it did feel more vicious and some backstabbing and stuff later.

[00:07:56] And I think one reason maybe why that happened later is because there were things that could happen in secret and maybe you could get away with it.

[00:08:06] We're here. You're right in front of the other person. There's no trickery so they just in that case put their best foot forward for the most part, you know, and we're just like all right let's either play Game of Chance or some chose to play skill.

[00:08:19] I was actually kind of surprised that Leanne and Tray mother and son decided to play a game of skill.

[00:08:25] I thought they might say, well which one of since we're going to probably split the money anyway, which one of us has the best chance why don't we just ignore it so that they can continue but no mom would not have that she just. Oh, I don't know.

[00:08:39] I loved it. I admire how they're going there, but it was certainly some boomer energy going on there. But let it go. I'm going to, well, to I'm 85. No you can't make over the company. I'm never going to retire.

[00:08:53] You know, and, you know, well, I think for I think for her this was a reawakening of her competitiveness and a side of that she hadn't seen in a while.

[00:09:03] So I think at one point she says, you know, isn't it going to mean more if he beats me? Not me just giving up and letting him go with it. And I think she's 100% right.

[00:09:17] He got that victory. She didn't hand it to him. She fought right down to the last throw and I think it would mean more to know that you beat your mom especially when you have a mom like her who's super competitive.

[00:09:32] But I didn't feel he was as competitive as she. And I think, and I feel like that at some point she was reawakening wanted to reawakening her competitive spirit, but he was doing it for the first time.

[00:09:51] And this was his opportunity and she wanted to have another opportunity, another opportunity and re-experience things.

[00:09:58] And the difficult thing with her wanting to re-experience something there was a risk of him not being able to experience which I find like it's an interesting generational thing now where is, you know, like the billionth generations their parents kind of all died at retired.

[00:10:20] At retirement. So they were given access to leadership early in life. And now they're very reluctant to let go of it and kind of saw this she didn't want to let go of her time in the sun when it was her son's opportunity.

[00:10:39] And I found that interesting, I'm not understandable, but an interesting dichotomy. Yeah, I mean on one hand no one's ever neither one of them have ever experienced anything quite like this before.

[00:10:53] But yeah, she's had a long life where she's gotten to do a lot of things but he I mean you say it wasn't competitive but he seemed to have tried his right and he actually wanted but he didn't have that sort of feeling.

[00:11:04] He was like, I don't know when he did something well, he was like, you know, when she messed up she was like damn it. And you know there was that thing that was very regret when she was winning but he was and it's an interesting relationship.

[00:11:21] But at the end, she was very sweet in the end. And she had been like, God damn you.

[00:11:31] That would have really made me not like her but she was like, I like to do that proud and yeah, yeah, you know she was just like I'm so proud of you.

[00:11:38] And I don't blame her for wanting to do this but it's an interesting dynamic that plays itself out in the real world I think.

[00:11:48] Well, he does a confession later where he talks about growing up in a very competitive sports-minded household and he tried so many sports and nothing worked like he just wasn't inclined to be talented at any of them. And she was, she said she was sports. Yeah.

[00:12:10] And so he tried to find his place. And so after hearing that confessional later, I just thought I'm so glad he got to go further because this was something for him this was it. Yeah, for around.

[00:12:26] Yeah, I'm glad he did too and then he totally fucked up but we'll get to it. Yeah, but he had help in the fucking up. He had some help with that and yeah, we're going to talk about that. He definitely kept his own.

[00:12:40] But he was a great god. Oh yeah, good guy, for sure. Let's talk about before we get to the people who didn't handle this round so well. I saw Ashley and Felicia. Yes. Ashley and Felicia.

[00:12:56] They were crying and hugging at the end and she said I wasn't supposed to win Ashley and she goes yes you were. Which I thought was really sweet. It's okay.

[00:13:07] And then the two guys who decided to shoot closest to the wall at the Marriott and that was really interesting. I can't tell, yeah. Yeah.

[00:13:16] And I thought, no, I wouldn't want to do that because I would want if it's going to be a game of skill I want a chance to have a couple rounds to calibrate. Right. But then they decided that was that we're going to basically flip a coin. Basically.

[00:13:33] But it was a little skill though and well just a little bit too. But that's you know, you can be with you do it over 10 rounds this skill but a one shot there's a lot of chance in it. Yes.

[00:13:46] I also might want to keep busy and not sit there. Yes. You're the time for that. I'd want to get it over with honestly if that's what we were going to do then I want to do what we get it over with. Why wouldn't you?

[00:13:57] And they apologize to each other and hug. Yeah. Well, they'd been part of this little corner alliance like they'd been a small group of them. We saw these alliances. They weren't quite alliances throughout the first few episodes but they were much bigger.

[00:14:12] They were like nine or ten people and now we're getting and whirling down to just like the few people left. And so of course they picked the picnic to sit with people. But they wanted to have a picnic with. I still question, I have to say this.

[00:14:34] I feel like they should have known this was coming. They seemed surprised. Yeah. And one thing I was thinking is when they went to the cookie challenge that went pretty much how you would expect like they knew it was coming.

[00:14:50] They knew they figured it was going to happen. And then when they went to what they thought was talk of war and it didn't go like what they thought it was going to do.

[00:15:02] I think it threw them off enough that they were off their game a little bit because they should have known this was coming. Well, they tricked them with that if you can get the orange juice into the containers then you all get a treat.

[00:15:15] So but still I'm going to land in an interview. I'm going to read part of it later that you know, definitely you set me this great sort of post more to move with a lot of the contestants.

[00:15:26] But anyway, she said she thought you know what we should find different partners but her son, her son didn't want to. So she kind of suspected maybe we should like just in case.

[00:15:37] And there was another I remember saying I knew we should have split up you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was kind of on their minds but not there were hungry enough that they probably both first thought.

[00:15:49] Yeah, but that I think that's it that's again the restriction the food restriction makes you decide things differently, you know. Yeah, for sure.

[00:15:59] I mean they're kind of like in a giant rat experiment where you're driving this yeah I mean you're deprived of this you're deprived of you don't have your phone you have no contact with the outside world you have no contact with your loved ones. You're in this space.

[00:16:14] It's no concept of time. No concept of time you're deprived of everything. Yeah. All you have are the people that are with you and you hope they're helping you or going to support you you don't know what's going to happen.

[00:16:27] And I think you can't stay shop the entire time. I mean it's just not possible. One thing I really like treating those post mortems is there are handful of people who said now that they're out in the real world they're more.

[00:16:41] They find themselves talking to strangers more right and I think that's because they were shy but they just got used to it, you know who knows a fiddle where off that that's a kind of a cool side effect of something like this.

[00:16:52] Yeah, because it was 400 and well how many how much can we do with it? 400 56 but only 56 so 452 were all complete strangers because there was the the mother thigh had a friend and then the mother and some but I don't think anyone else. Oh they did. They were twins.

[00:17:11] They were different twins. They're a fair more than what's interesting. And you're saying that like how it's you know you're deprived of everything but also especially in this day and age where isolated

[00:17:25] Where in our homes with our screens and so this is something that's different for a lot of people to just be thrust in this place where you don't have a screen and all you can do is talk to these people.

[00:17:36] And in a way I think they a lot of them got a lot out of that which is kind of cool. I think you were. I think they're all the clothes that were where they were also strict strip them of any outside identity as well. Yeah, yeah.

[00:17:52] You know whether you could say you didn't know anyone was ritual poor or whatever you know or like women who would make themselves up and exactly like like intimidatingly attractive. Well you got to see that in the confessional because they looked amazing Amanda blew me away. Right.

[00:18:10] I was just like oh my goodness because she just looks so beautiful and without the makeup it almost looks like the same person to me. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking of. Yeah. And that's that will exchange how people in the eyes. Yeah.

[00:18:26] I think she could probably appreciate the oh wow I'm just being treated like everyone else. Yeah, she was much less intimidating without a ride braels. Yeah.

[00:18:35] So Jada number 97 talking about having donated a kidney and her and me or mine were sort of trying to make a case for why they should get it.

[00:18:49] I'm going to put money towards kidney donation center and she started to cry and I remember earlier in a confessional she had kind of dist my for being emotional.

[00:19:00] And now she's like pouring it on for her and I mean, I know she really did give a kidney and maybe she would actually do it. But she also tell that yeah that it was sort of she was adding a little extra to it.

[00:19:13] But it was interesting they were using sympathy stories in order to gain an advantage it seems.

[00:19:22] And like things were weren't brought and they were saying I'm sure it'll be a very interesting interaction with the girl that had the there was the the depgo and the other guy and then the kidney thing. But you know they were using trying to use.

[00:19:40] You know this their backstory in order for the to gain an advantage over the other the other player. Yeah, what was happening. Well yeah I think with Jada trying to say you know, hey I'm going to put money towards the kidney donation center.

[00:19:54] The idea was to get sympathy like that's a mistake because no one's going to say oh you're so right you deserve it here.

[00:20:03] In fact, all it did was cause me my I keep saying may my to just start crying and talking about her problems with her family right. And then well the yeah the one where it was the deaf girl. Jackie.

[00:20:20] Yeah Jackie and she said and it was him and he said he would donate some charity and I I only watched it once but his friend was dying or something. And she said she's deaf and wanted to make her community proud and he goes but I'm deaf.

[00:20:36] Why have you not taught me any sign language because she said she'd been teaching it all the and he she's so well that's not my job to teach you and she goes are you playing the sympathy card here you've saved this for this moment.

[00:20:46] Like you're using it as a strategy. She goes Tim that's Iki you're ruining yourself here Tim I feel bad for you. Well I feel bad for you because you're going home in a minute. Well let's just see with the universe has to say about that.

[00:20:58] So that just devolved into a shit. Well we're really quickly it's not new I mean we learned that Jackie is deaf earlier like known this whole you know from most of this time so the fact that he didn't think he knew.

[00:21:13] Yeah I don't know that's that's on the I don't know but. He didn't look because I did think he did not look good no but I thought she played a card.

[00:21:27] Yeah like with her talking about her deafness and with me and Jada talking about her kidney those were very similar situations but one much more badly because the other one called her her out on like I think you're using this and she was using it and so but.

[00:21:46] But they were amazing stuff because my stuff back because she's like oh you let me you'll get his your your sub story I will see your story and and.

[00:21:56] And so yeah it was a very strategic but maybe not didn't work yet either case it didn't work very well. I also think they were sharing I mean giving more information about themselves and I get that they were making a case but.

[00:22:13] I think it actually worked to connect them a little bit more to when they actually played the game I think there was a connection that they had made with each other and.

[00:22:24] This wasn't obviously my and Jada we're sitting on a picnic blanket together this wasn't their first little time talking. No, but Jada was pretending to like my more than she actually did because in the confesional you could tell she's like this woman.

[00:22:42] But do you think it was a. A producer question where they asked them why do you think you deserve to move on with your orders and they just launched into these speeches yeah I bet you they were all prompted with different things to make it interesting.

[00:22:58] Maybe I don't I don't know how much they were communicated with. Like I get the impression they were not communicated with that much of them when they got the pink suitmen coming in. Try them off to another government.

[00:23:13] Yeah, because that's what I found was odd that they just brought these their back stories up out of the blue when. When they were it was going to be a game of chance or a game of light skill.

[00:23:26] Yeah, you know what difference they thought bringing up why they should win would make because it seems that everyone had a valid reason for being there and a valid reason for being for winning and even. Even even like you know I would just love to win.

[00:23:43] I'm just a regular person that I'd love to win. I think in both those cases. They were trying to convince their partner. Can you let me win right? Because I have a better reason than you. Yeah, which never goes overwhelmed. No.

[00:23:58] Right no matter how good your reason is in a situation like that it's like fuck you it's 4 million dollars. But if you know what in some cases I don't think that. We got to see that from everyone like I think showed us. So it's only these two.

[00:24:16] Yeah, it was only those two. Everyone else it was kind of like. Should we get this should we get this going? Yeah. It was a little bit of a regret. You deserve to win. I deserve to win. Let's just go through this and remain civilized.

[00:24:33] I like in particular you have these these two Brad number 337 and Phil 4.51 who's this long-haired person. And Phil 1 and Brad said you're the winner man and Phil goes I'm sorry buddy. And he goes don't be sorry you killed it bro.

[00:24:50] Take it all the way in when it which they might. Phil started crying and then in the confessional said I feel like I betrayed a friend for a prize. That was I don't know.

[00:25:01] I really like Phil after all of this and I believe that Phil is very sincere. He did everything. And it brought out everyone's humanity. I thought you know what there was there wasn't there wasn't seem to be any celebration by anyone when they won.

[00:25:21] No, even Jackie didn't like jump up and down and pump her fist after she beat him after their heated exchange. Yeah and Tim even congratulated her. He's a good game so I even after that spashed. Yeah.

[00:25:40] So let's talk about the two that were very much different from all of that Aurora and Dylan. Oh yeah. I have questions for you guys about this. Once we talked through what they did, I have to ask you. Yeah.

[00:25:57] I mean okay so Aurora says you can pick the game but I don't want to do a game of throwing and he goes I'm only going to do a game of throwing.

[00:26:05] Like that was the first thing out of his mouth and she so they are giving and she said calmly I'm not see I'm totally on her side by the way.

[00:26:12] She said I'm not comfortable playing a game of throwing and she goes he goes you don't need to raise your voice. She was not raising her voice. She said why are you being so stubborn and he goes I'm giving myself a chance to win as you should.

[00:26:24] I'm like she's trying she doesn't want to play this kind of like you're a gas lighter you. And then he's saying she won't compromise but she's offered different proposals and he goes I'm not going to fall into your trap it's like arguing at the brick wall.

[00:26:38] He's he's dark individual in my opinion like I would not want to be in a relationship with the guy. Can you tell me why on her as she was on a picnic like it with him.

[00:26:50] Because I can imagine why other than I mean what if up until this point she didn't see this side of him and all of a sudden she's sitting there and like cool is the person. They were like third wheels you know just kind of.

[00:27:08] Oh, you don't have anybody okay how about me. But did she what game did she offer apart from the throwing going she wanted it to be a game. Yeah or strategy like strategy game.

[00:27:22] But like like the mother and son you know I'm sure but that was seemed like a random game even with throwing you know because it's like all the electric circles and you got worse points for there and.

[00:27:36] And you know it's not like you're shooting a basketball from halfway. You know because I understand that he went pretty hard but it was it was it's not that big as school to do an underhand unless you can't throw it.

[00:27:53] But then they decided okay we're going to throw it okay if she gave in you know I was like don't give into this.

[00:27:59] But she's like okay fine and I'm like what would I have done when I've just let us both I just put not to give in but then no it's smart just given and then she even let him go first.

[00:28:09] Yeah, and they threw the miles in the time ran out and she they'd got the same number in but she's like well you I got the first one in even though I let you a first so can you just say that I want and he wouldn't do it.

[00:28:21] And that to me that was the worst thing I've seen anyone seen I've seen anyone doing this game because he who knows the time already ran out maybe they were both do no matter what but I think there's potential because it was about who decided who won and I think there's potential if he had said okay you won that it might have saved her.

[00:28:40] And rather than do that he took them both out so in my opinion this is all a game and you played a win but he had no chance of winning all he could do was either maybe give her a chance of getting going on or taking her out and he chose to take her out.

[00:28:55] I would be looking for him after the whole thing was over. I think he. It's funny because at first I thought she was being a little bit bullheaded about it like okay it's marbles you should have known just do it. You should probably practice some come on.

[00:29:16] This is not as yeah. But I can see like wanting to play a game of chance is it okay thing to come to the table with. But and so they're both being bullheaded.

[00:29:29] He's he won't do it her way she won't do it but then she ended up giving you an over to him and she won't anyone. But they both got one each right and they both the same amount of marbles.

[00:29:42] I think so but he she went first even or no he went first but she was the first one to make it in so even though she was at a distance.

[00:29:51] You can make a case for them you can make a case it oh I got the first thing but that should have been established.

[00:29:57] You should have been established but it was down to the wire there's no case for him winning right but so then they both got the same amount but he got after.

[00:30:08] I'm not saying he was right but then there's also no case there's no in that case there's no pointing to him giving up if he's out anyway he's like I may as well just see if I can make her.

[00:30:19] You know give up because it's one person had to give up and all though it you know and all though it.

[00:30:28] It all though it came down it was in the end of time and she made a case that oh I got it in first so therefore I should win that's not a strong case. But like it's better than it's better than both going yeah he has no case.

[00:30:45] So then he has no case in in the court of fairness but in the court so I still want to win the money.

[00:30:55] But he knows he just sat there saying I'm not going to do anything and there's no chance that she's going to let him go through when when she's the one with a case. So with the really thing the other is eventually someone just fails.

[00:31:14] Yeah, but if you I'm just saying that's right.

[00:31:17] If he if I'm in the game and I have a case that I won and I know the other guy doesn't yeah and I'm never going to fucking say okay win why would there's no chance of that zero so he knows that there's zero chance I can win here.

[00:31:33] All I can do is either let her go on or take her out. And he took her to take her out but then that that's to get to 4.5 the potential of 4.56 million dollars out of her reach for no reason yeah so so let's be fun.

[00:31:47] So there's 31 players left after this and now I'm like we'll start to recognize everyone and I noticed that B was still there the. Well I guess she's British that talked about being in Mensa and I do like her even though it kind of rubbing the right.

[00:32:04] I do like her too. I think she's funky and cool and yeah I like her a lot. So they have to pick captain and TJ sort of nominated himself. Jason, I have a couple things I wanted to talk about before we believe that part.

[00:32:21] Okay. So I just wanted to mention this is a point where we lost in the marbles. We lost a few people that we could see in throughout and like Jason was talking about fill in Bradley and Bradley lost he was one of the leaders in warship that one.

[00:32:40] Like there's there are people that we've seen we don't even know their names half of the time because we don't really get to meet them until later or we don't get to meet them at all. So Bradley was one.

[00:32:52] If you remember the people that were sitting standing up with a jack in the box. Felicia, Jesse, Kyle they all got eliminated in this round. Those are you know more people that we knew.

[00:33:09] I mean and if you go back to just a couple episodes ago where we were all celebrating the fact that TJ got them through without losing a single person. Like this is so cool.

[00:33:21] But yeah, this is the time that we start to lose people and we actually know who some of them are. We just don't know what their names are because they haven't been given to us. One of the guys also that was eliminated was Charlie.

[00:33:41] He was the last guy from what's put my hand on the door to pick a shape to cut out. He had long dreads. Yeah, he was eliminated by Sam 016 who we also get to meet in this episode because they talked to them.

[00:33:59] They actually had screen time where they were having a confessional or they were actually talking to them. We learned a little bit more about my which she talked about being from Vietnam and. Leaving in this incredibly scary airfield story.

[00:34:19] But I feel like this is when we really started to get to know some of the people that we see. Make it further in the game like to episode seven eight. Amanda who we talked about her makeup skills.

[00:34:33] Holy shit, she's a weapons engineer. I mean that's crazy like that's so incredible. And she talks about being disrespected and people thinking that she they look at her and they see one thing and then.

[00:34:49] She surprises them with how capable she is to be able to pull through and do things. And so those were just some of the things that I wanted to point out before we moved along. Cool yeah, I've particularly liked Amanda talking about her background.

[00:35:10] Yeah, and I'll done up and make up talking about being weapons. I know, but she said that everyone gave her a week they're like, oh, you know, she'll make it a week and she ends up being in charge. Yeah, that's and I did up in charge.

[00:35:23] Yeah, that's great. So great. So yeah, that made me like her more. Like these confessional do make me feel more connected to the to the people.

[00:35:33] And I think that's why they do it, you know, make room for them for the most part or dislike them more sometimes with the confessional. It's interesting because they do it in this sort of squid games look where they're in a room seemingly by themselves talking to no.

[00:35:50] Yeah, and but they're being so warm and personal and open or emotional that you got to think there's some producer who's good at getting people to open up standing there engaging with them. And then they just have that off camera and don't show that part or something.

[00:36:07] But it's a little weird when they're like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. And they show the rest of the room and there's no one there. It doesn't seem a little bit weird.

[00:36:17] Well, there's it's the producer technique of I'm going to ask you a question reference a question in your answer so they can cut me out. You know, so it's like a monologue, but it's led by the producers.

[00:36:29] So that's why it's thinking during the dice game when they're bringing up their back stories. If there was someone off screen going, you know, why do you think you should win? Yeah, you know, but see that in a complete sentence that doesn't.

[00:36:44] Yeah, absolutely the the confession was a really really interesting and and definitely give you a. An insight into their their personalities and their lives. And like that's why I could come back to the to the to the uniform they all wear and how interesting it is.

[00:37:04] How much gets stripped away of who you think someone is by what they wear and in the reverses like what you're wearing signals. Who you are.

[00:37:14] Yeah, it's an interesting choice in the confessionals to have them look like they're doing real life just so you get a hit of not just the saying by how they look, you know, if who they are.

[00:37:25] I thought it was interesting that people asked Chad who he thought was going to win and he said my. Yeah, not it's not surprising that he said my mind is be of a but yeah. He said my and we see where she is now it's kind of interesting.

[00:37:47] Well, of course I thought although I have never mentioned that earlier on I always thought that my there was something about her you know she was very forthright she knew what to do. She wasn't giving into emotions I didn't think at all although she gets very.

[00:38:06] She is emotional. She is very emotional. But she wasn't ready to defect her decisions.

[00:38:11] Yeah, and I thought that early on and I'm like she's she she was definitely in the gray man area like kind of assuming it unthreatening that I always thought that she was going to get far back in. Yeah, yeah.

[00:38:29] Yeah, she's she's a bit of an indignant to me actually which makes her interesting. Yeah, so they have to pick a captain and TJ is sort of like me right I'm all like humble like he's he's always talking about being humble but I don't sense humility there.

[00:38:48] And he says I'll do it if you guys all give me all of your trust or something like that and like dude come on and you go I'll lead us correctly. And they're like no fan of the story.

[00:38:59] Put your hit put your head up on the the chopping block go for it and so then they say players the test begins in an hour choose your friends wisely and then they just leave them to make up what they will of that so then they're all then he has them prey and I'm like.

[00:39:17] Not religious like yeah, I would not be able to handle this guy at this point and he's like full of platitudes no pain no fear. This is where game ago was hilarious where she's just like kind it's so yeah wish non religious thing yeah.

[00:39:35] She's like kind what that. That's how I was right there. Yeah, me too. Yeah. Kind of look with very gracious you know not to call it out but but she was clearly wondering how she stepped into this poor

[00:39:53] my point of view in alternate universe you know whereas grave for a lot of people is very normal which the look in her face was like she's so classic English it's hysterical.

[00:40:03] I just think a lot of people too we're going along with it because they know he's probably in more danger or yeah yeah yeah. Yeah yeah yeah.

[00:40:12] And like okay, fine let's just play this part it'll be fun and then may in her confession I don't trust him at all. I'm saying.

[00:40:20] And then so they say that he will automatically pass as captain and like oh alright and they all have to pick one person to stay.

[00:40:31] And 11 people not picked will be eliminated but then they get in a line right is that how they did it and each person no no no no.

[00:40:38] I just chose who was gonna go next and each person choose the next person and all the women had been together and saying that they were going to choose each other which worked out really well for how the game ended up playing.

[00:40:49] Well at least it could have if they would have all stuck with it so it was really fascinating they did but they kept breaking the chain and then coming back to it.

[00:40:58] Well and I have my thought on that is this you is I'm all four girl power but if I'm in that situation and say I'm my I'm definitely picking Chad well um not Chad yeah Chad.

[00:41:17] I'm definitely picking Chad like in as in um in Jackie's case I'm definitely picking Phil like I would pick my person and hope that they would do the right thing because that's the person I've been tight with this entire time.

[00:41:37] Would you ahead of time till all the women yeah we're gonna stick together and then you'd pick a guy. Yeah I would. Wow because these are the games that you play because I have an idea. It is an interesting thing.

[00:41:51] How these games work and in a game situation. I'm gonna say to that I know Jason what I probably would say is I'm all for this but I can see what the game's gonna be for. Right. Like I can't just say I'm gonna pick.

[00:42:07] That's so interesting because I always found that in Surviva very often the girls alliance is fall apart very quickly and as our girl is this a thing that amongst

[00:42:25] amongst women how there is are these brief alliances but they're very very tenuous and then they can fall apart and is it like is this a female thing. I don't know okay.

[00:42:41] I don't know I do well I've watched Surviva and I've seen those all women alliances fall apart. Yeah. Time after time after time after I'm very seldom I think maybe one instance that I saw it stick together and that's when Kim won. Right.

[00:43:01] They were able to keep it till the end and they still broke away from it to get rid of people that were kind of not in alignment with them. And they would keep someone.

[00:43:12] Keep a guy just like okay well I'm gonna keep him because you know I can get rid of him at the final four final five. Yeah, but then the final right. Yeah. But I can't have this girl here because she might try to get me out.

[00:43:25] So I've got to get rid of her. Well that's my question are these all all go to alliances are there is you know is that a tight bond as it as it said.

[00:43:39] If it comes I mean we're halfway through this game and we're all of a sudden gonna have this but this guy over here's been my. You know right or done this whole time. I'm not gonna yeah, I'm not gonna.

[00:43:54] It was it was fascinating to see the women group together and then the way the game was presented it was like oh wow this is they have the perfect plan for this and then I started I want trade to go through three oh one is it.

[00:44:07] And so I'm like okay this is really cool like I'm all for it cool it's fun it's a great way to get back to these guys who've been acting kind of cocky and thinking that they've got this wrapped and it's like oh there's the women are all forced to be reckoned with.

[00:44:20] But then they started breaking the chain and I'm like oh well but then someone did pick a women again and I'm like if I was a guy at this point I don't know if I'd pick a woman because then they went away.

[00:44:31] They're already safe once you're picking so yeah, but I don't think they were aware of this you know. You know they weren't very subtle about it. They're all girls over here.

[00:44:43] Yeah, but I think that didn't realize because everyone guys like he's like I don't know what there's a there's a girls amongst. What is that happened? That was that was trying. I'm like how did you miss that wasn't trying. It was trying.

[00:44:54] He's like what when did I miss this this girl's lions. I think it's such a big room you can miss things. Yeah, I mean they were literally screaming Ashley come over here with all the women. I'm just trying to continue to people but went to yeah.

[00:45:09] But come on over Amanda was very clear when she gets picked on the seventh pick. Be picks Amanda. She said you've underestimated us women. We're gonna even things out we're just as good as you.

[00:45:27] And so she goes ahead and picks Jackie and it looks like it's going to get back on track. But I knew Jackie there's no way Jackie isn't picking Phil. There's no way because the two of them have been and if you want. And I thought that was right.

[00:45:42] Yeah, because they asked him to pick a woman and he did. She does. Because they don't like they kept seeing that they were a cocky men but they were cocky women as well. And I think so too.

[00:45:55] And I don't think and there was definitely 50-50 at the beginning. And I don't and like even when they split up into the for what they thought was tug of war.

[00:46:07] The guys group together were enough guys to beat the other guys but they were all there was not an all guy and team. And you know that the the Gu Yang team were there were just the leftover guys that all came together.

[00:46:20] And they didn't know how the guys chose them. And so like I found a bit of a straw man but seeing like that all the guys were being mean to the girls.

[00:46:30] I just thought it was a way to ensure one group went forward rather than an evening of the odds because like you know at At a 430 I was keeping forgetting the money better.

[00:46:45] And so I think that the number you know there was 2% women and 4% men which is you know it's still a small percentage and everyone got through on on luck and skill rather than.

[00:46:58] Because any strength advantage was taken out of every game there was no pain where strength is. Yeah. And in fact there were just green light was a bad good I think. I don't think that anyone challenge was geared towards this either sex.

[00:47:15] I mean yeah and I think that also representation goes beyond sex. I think there there's more than just like a male or female.

[00:47:27] There's absolutely agree but the only the only ones that were left at the end and there was not race because there was an age and guy black guy. And the Indian guy and the guy was a bit of an old man.

[00:47:42] And it's to be honest I felt a little uncomfortable. I'm like oh yeah. I did too but I loved it. I thought it's a game and yeah yeah yeah yeah.

[00:47:54] It's fun to see that I don't blame the women for doing what they did and it was interesting that I think it was Holly was not only when it was left at the end 355. I think it was a bit of a challenge.

[00:48:05] I only went left and went to get picked and she did get picked but yeah as a thinking about if I was in this I'd be like this isn't fair but then because it was a kind of helping men. Right.

[00:48:18] And that was the reason they were voted out and the guys that were left were just random guys that had nothing to do with either one of each other. Yeah. And they were just they were just individuals. They hadn't grouped together as men. They wouldn't.

[00:48:32] The men's alliance wasn't voted out. It was just no. Individual men and the worst part of it we lost the blonde Aussie guy. He didn't do anything to anyone. I mean the thing is he's a loner. Whoever pissed off a manter. Yeah. And Marina to this point.

[00:48:55] Probably wasn't even still there. But they were pissed off because they wanted more women around so they decided to do this and I also some of the women I didn't really care if they stayed or not. But there were some guys that I was like, oh that sucks.

[00:49:15] They're the last of this or the last. That's the individuals. Yeah. I mean it would have yeah if it had been the men who had said let's just pick men that would have played probably played differently. I don't know but um. I think they could have.

[00:49:34] But it was definitely power move you know if we find it fun you know to because I don't have anything in common. I just felt sorry for these guys so especially if it was just kind of some random girl that wasn't friends with everyone as well.

[00:49:47] But it was definitely a pound move and definitely put the card amongst the pigeons. I think there's there's a meta issue with this which is that typically in the world over the centuries men have had the advantage in a major way.

[00:50:04] And so that plays into it a lot to have the situation where the women are just like hey we're going to take the advantage here. There's something really galvanizing about that for women watching this I'm sure. Yeah.

[00:50:17] That was great right but I think that's cool I think that's cool. I was excited but I was also annoyed. Yeah. Like no. Because that's a man like I get the that the the the centuries men have had the dominant place in society but but I wasn't there.

[00:50:36] You know I've been done and yeah. And yet the and yet you know. I'm expected to take the blame for something that happened hundreds of years ago. Right well I mean I think it's pretty. I would have been on that go.

[00:50:52] Yeah, because I think one of the life. Yeah, yeah that's where I would have been to Jonathan. Yeah. That's where I would have been to. But it made for interesting view. I will say that absolutely.

[00:51:04] And it definitely made you think and feel something which is with all these TV shows if that happens. It's a good thing even if I'm bored against it when things make you. You know put down your phone and pay attention and and feel something from these TV shows.

[00:51:23] I think it's you know it's a good or bad. It's a good thing. I agree that's all I live for pretty much and I think too. I mean no matter who your favorites are they're all going to get eliminated except for one you know by the end.

[00:51:37] It's been rough this this series of episodes was rough each episode got more intense and we lost more people. Yeah. And it honestly I read some things online where people said this particular episode with this school yard pick type situation. Yeah.

[00:51:58] Took people back to like to be picked for things in school or not. Or not. And I'm just thinking yeah that doesn't feel good. Yeah. No it's not a feel good chef. No.

[00:52:11] I mean honestly if I was a woman in that situation I might just feel like oh I can be part of this group where I'm safe. Yeah let's do it. But it's never.

[00:52:21] That's the main consideration as well it should be for any contestant is how can I make it to the next round. Well yes but I will tell you as witnessed in many other reality TV series those alliances break down so fast.

[00:52:38] I mean I mean this was just for this game and it worked every single woman in past it did it did. All right we should probably move ahead. We should probably move ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[00:52:51] One thing I was glad Trae got picked and then he picked number 269 James who just started crying. And that did seem like oh that's the gift that never got picked and school. Yeah. Yeah. Just let it all out. That was great.

[00:53:06] So there's 20 people left and I was like what what did the what had a captain have to do with any of that or is that the first. He took head the first pick. So he was guaranteed. That's true. Okay.

[00:53:20] I mean to remember Chad woke up and said when did this happen. Yeah. I'm going to greet to this. That he was comic relief at times really. And this is right. And this show. We all voted him leader.

[00:53:33] I was asleep but then they did a confessional with fill at some point in here you find out they were scuba instructor grew up in Brazil. And they said they had no strategy but were good at reading the room and we're just kind of go with a flow.

[00:53:54] It's interesting to me that a lot of the people at the end are kind of the nicer people the more like no. I'm not you either.

[00:54:03] And I'm not used to there must be something to that you know the people who maybe it's not necessarily maybe it is that they don't quite feel like a threat but also just I think it's a feeling thing you know like.

[00:54:14] Oh yeah, fill I wouldn't want to get rid of them they're great you know. Yes, I think that you're right about that. I also like the Chad and Mikey have this conversation about because Chad picked Mikey or I think that's how it went down.

[00:54:32] And you know Mikey's like well I'll buy you a pint I'll ship in Chad's like no I'm going to come there. He actually did go there. Oh good. I don't know how to do it. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:54:44] So but that was a really lovely thing about this show is that how many people from such different backgrounds you know raise sex became very good friends and and it was they became very close and and and the physical differences just melted away.

[00:55:05] Especially in the marble thing you saw people from very different backgrounds you know say goodbye to their brothers and sisters friends you know and there was it became very egalitarian. Yeah, which I really like. Yeah, felt the closest to the great British big off. Yeah, nice.

[00:55:28] Sorry, go on. Then there's this like one of those toy.

[00:55:32] Those claw things where you have to try to get the toy although I guess this was set up too much easier because it was almost guaranteed you're going to go on and so you get a bear out and the bear has a number on it that then you have to choose to get to somebody and it will decide the order of the glass bridge and you don't want to be first in the glass bridge game because it's a 17 tiles pairs of tiles glass tiles when it's safe to stand on the other ones not.

[00:55:58] And you have to go across that and so anyway back to the claw. So may get's number four and it has to give it to somebody.

[00:56:12] Jackie of his wife favorite Jackie got number one and she gave it to TJ and said he because he's the most capable to lead them I'm like what an honor. He basically says I'm scared that she's killed me.

[00:56:29] She's killed me with that decision and then he talks about what a crock is she giving you this to you because you're the order you. Yeah, yeah. And then trade got number three and as soon as he got number three I'm like, oh, oh, she's because because because.

[00:56:48] I looked it up and I just presumed because TJ's number one and I just presumed that he haven't seen Squid Game in a while so that he would just have to be the one to go and telling you.

[00:57:01] Just keep moving forward until he dies and so I looked it up and the odds that the first person could guess all the right glass tiles and make it through are 1 in 131,072. Exactly.

[00:57:14] Which is why I think trade is a fucking idiot because he thought he could do it. Yeah, no way.

[00:57:20] He, I don't understand his decision but he was again was doing things for the greater good I think and to avoid conflict and to avoid calling around and forcing her and creating a conflict with the person behind him. But but he just gave up 4 million dollars. He did.

[00:57:44] Yeah, it was a joke like I understand like maybe he does one to say, look, I'll do an extra one then you've got to go but he did too. Right. And then the last one he felt and and so just to reiterate what happened.

[00:57:58] I forget who, but somebody said instead of just going through it will have one person has to make the choice. Roller and awesome roll and what a great guy.

[00:58:07] And then the next person has to go pass them and make a choice and then the third person and I will have to go pass them.

[00:58:13] So when Ashley refute when train went and he was safe and I was like, oh good now he's safe because he did what he said he doesn't have to himself anymore. He was the same one because the first two went down. They died.

[00:58:28] I was so funny about it. Two, three, two, three, two, three. Here we go. Now they're great editing. They're all playing the ship and if I just apologize. Yeah. And then he just goes, straight through. You really be a gratitude. So I'm so anyway.

[00:58:44] But I'm not laughing when that. So we do. So Ashley is the other person I hate now because she refused to go in front of train like they all said and she just stood there and he looked at her and she wouldn't go.

[00:58:59] And so then he just decides to go like an idiot and I mean until he died and then Ashley did choose to play it the way they said and they all did it and it worked in the room. If you were, she didn't have a choice.

[00:59:13] What do you mean like she what does she have with train? Yeah, at that point I would have forced like not moved until she went to.

[00:59:23] And my question is what do you think was, what did she think was going to happen when she refused because I don't think she understood that.

[00:59:31] If you do it this way, you have a 50% chance but otherwise you have much less of a chance with this as your best chance especially when you're this early in the day. And she didn't go down the corner later. Yeah, she said. But they did agree to this.

[00:59:45] I didn't agree to say, I'm like, this is what you should do. This is good for you. You dummy and then when she finally like did do it. Okay, but you sacrifice someone before you got to that. That made me mad. I couldn't stand her.

[00:59:59] And before that, she had not done like that. I was really mad at a couple of people. Sorry. I don't read the good. So before that she hadn't been like this. Right. She you saw her with fully you should. With the map.

[01:00:11] Yeah, I mean she wasn't like this. And then all of a sudden it's like, okay, we're like this game. And now I'm going to be been. I'm an individual yet. Yeah.

[01:00:21] And I think she was trying to like she was like, I don't want to have to risk myself but she just didn't realize that this is actually the police string. The risk of this. It is.

[01:00:31] Yeah. I think she just must have not realized that because she didn't there's no way. I mean, maybe she thought somehow I'm just going to be able to stand here while everyone else takes the risks. Right me. I don't think she thought it through.

[01:00:44] And I think just the fear of taking the leap. But then later she, she gaslit me. She's like, but I jumped. You didn't see me jump. I jumped. I took the jump. I'm like, yeah, I'll do you made try to do it three times. Yeah.

[01:01:01] And when you had no choice, suddenly you're playing the game. You know, I have this thing that's in the news segment. But I'm going to read it now just because it might have some bearing on this. Like, it's post-mortem stuff with everybody and where is hers? Okay.

[01:01:21] So she says, I don't want people feeling sorry for trey. He's a grown ass man. And then it says from Ashley's point of view, she and the rest of the players were in complete agreement about their plan until tray broke from the pat.

[01:01:37] Quote, we'd already decided everybody was going to take one jump and then the person behind them was going to jump over them. Tray got his ass up there and took about three or four jumps. She says, at that point, the ball game is off.

[01:01:48] You do what they're going to do and thank you for clearing the path. He wanted to go rogue and he took one jump and then immediately took another. I was like, what does this man do when he's finished? He's stopped.

[01:01:58] I mean, unless they edited it differently because he was standing there looking at her like come on. You have to go up to go. But it does make me wonder if they edited it differently because no one seemed to have an issue with her except for my afterwards.

[01:02:15] And that could do. Yeah, that made it very confused. But I mean, and and Tray even said, Did you guys think I should have been number three and everyone was like, no, meaning he should not have been number three in the first place.

[01:02:30] However, he did look at her multiple times. Like it was her turn to come out and why you go onto the lead. Yeah. And she didn't budge. And if he didn't get the voice of say anything, it and then she says this afterwards.

[01:02:47] It makes me wonder and also people didn't seem to understand why my would throw actually under the bus later. She knew what maybe it just wasn't loud enough that the people at the back didn't know what was happening at the front.

[01:03:03] Oh, he's turning around and he's like going like that. And she was me right there or my right there. Yeah. I said, I write it back. Yeah, so maybe I should know. But you're right. She had your stand but no, not other people did.

[01:03:17] Because I think this thought there was a whole gaslighting thing. And she and because she's like, later, it's like, I jumped. I might get it off to you. You refused to jump and he had to jump three times until he was out.

[01:03:29] You weren't going to jump until he was out. And then suddenly that's when you were forced to jump because everyone, It was it was an answer. And that's when and that's when you were on board with the plan of,

[01:03:39] but the next person over technique I've done my jump. No, it's not. Yeah. That was a good plan. It was a great plan. Roll in to come up with that plan. I don't think that the producers were prepared for that. Yeah, right.

[01:03:54] I don't think they were prepared for that many people making it through. Oh yeah. They have these little interim games where they can choose how many people to whittle it down. Yeah. So we need to be next time. Yeah.

[01:04:06] And I think that dice game was intended to not. Honestly, I think that was a backup plan. You've made your right. Yeah. I think they had to whittle it down. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:04:19] But I wonder it really does make me wonder if it was it went down a little differently than we saw based on people's reactions afterwards because when may chooses, I'm sorry, my chooses Ashley later. I was all for that. I was like, yeah, I'm sure.

[01:04:37] But everybody was like, May, how could you do that? And then Ashley was even like, Hey, we had already agreed on how this game was going to go and You broke from it. And I'm like, what are you talking about? You agreed on the game.

[01:04:47] That's a great thing too. So it doesn't quite compute, you know? Yeah. Exactly. It's just a lot of gas sliding and a lot of very self unaware people. And she's a great ability to kind of rewrite her own history with her being the good guy. Yeah.

[01:05:08] If it's played out the way that it appeared to us then yeah, she's just delusional. Yeah. Yeah. So anything else about the glass bridge that you want to make sure we talk about? I was impressed at that run they had where they got it right for about 809 jumps

[01:05:28] Old and a row. That was that was odd breaking, but so that was pretty cool. And it was cool to see like in Squid Game, it doesn't the glass breaks, but here it just like opens like a trap door.

[01:05:44] And I think they're probably coached, stand right in the middle so you don't scrape yourself on the side and then it did a beat. That's the back story. Oh, right right right right. Yeah. Yeah. So okay. All right. So actually it's interesting how they did it.

[01:06:03] It wasn't actually those people going through it. It wasn't actually try or any of the others going through. It is them jumping and then standing there, but a stuntman. It's definitely a three. Yeah. Oh yeah. I know it takes some of the magic way.

[01:06:18] But I thought maybe there was a net underneath or some more. So are the stuntman died built? Yeah. Yeah. But they must have fallen quite away because they looked super high right. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:06:32] I just wanted to mention a couple of people we lost in this challenge just because since we're getting so close to the end, we actually know who they are because you know, they either had a confessional. We talked to them or whatever. We lost TJ of course.

[01:06:48] We lost Chaz who was number two to one barely knew him. Marina who was kind of the brainstorm of the women's alliance. Oh yeah. Tray. Jackie fell through in this one and Phil was devastated. You could tell.

[01:07:05] Chavon who we barely ever, you know, you saw her the entire time. But you never really knew her because they never did a confessional with her. We lost Mikey who was from Ireland and he had a cool confessional talking about his family and James.

[01:07:26] Unfortunately two six nine fell through. Oh well. And that was it. So episode eight one step closer actually began with the ending of this glass bridge game. All right. Half way is about halfway. Yeah, they showed the final half and there were 12 people left afterwards.

[01:07:50] Then they showed some fun scenes of them dancing around and Perna had the moves in the. Oh. Okay. Just before you go.

[01:07:59] The glass bridge one last thing was like, when there's a minute to go and they're all winding their way up and they're all stopping to hug each other. I know. They're still. They can't be real. They must have edited that way.

[01:08:14] Yeah, because it was so casual as it clocks ticking down to 30. I think that the clock is like, Lee that they edited the clock. Right. To be cutting down like that, but they probably recorded them going. All coming off and hugging and they wanted us to see that.

[01:08:31] Yeah, they probably stopped the clock and everyone woke up and we'll put the clock in later to get to add some. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, don't stop hugging you. Come on. Yeah. You're great. You're great. Get out with it. Well, Ashley.

[01:08:47] We got this confessional from Ashley a little bit where you get to learn a little bit of, you know, more about her like she's raised to be tough.

[01:08:55] And, but she runs and she comes in the room and the first thing you hear is she hates the clicky stuff. I'm like, that's not going to make me like you because everyone's just happy that they made it through the round and you're being kind of. Yeah. Bitchy.

[01:09:11] Yeah. Didn't like it. So then they bring in this rope and put it in the shape of a triangle of the squid games people and they have one die and they have to pick a leader and they vote on my ends.

[01:09:31] They all take turns rolling the die but they have to choose someone who will be eliminated if they get a six. And so they all decide, I guess they all decided to just pick themselves so that would become a game of chance versus like backsaving and stuff.

[01:09:47] And the fact that they came up with this and largely stuck to it does make me think, yeah, it's the nice people who are left at the end. That's really interesting.

[01:09:55] I feel like there's something about the nature of this game that naturally came to that but I don't know we'll see if they have to future seasons if it ends up the same or not.

[01:10:02] But anyway, my was first and she broke with it right away and chose Ashley but didn't roll a six and then Ashley says you're not you're saying I'm not a team player but in this moment you're not the team player because that's not what we agreed upon and like yeah whatever.

[01:10:19] That'll went out the door when you let you let trade take some extra steps. Especially when it's like a fan favorite that she full of stuff, you know he's such a scum. Yeah.

[01:10:34] And then Roland nominated himself and he was safe the guy with the braids Sam with the beard nominated himself. He was safe. Halley nominated herself. Be nominated herself.

[01:10:48] She talked about how she's I'm great at rolling sixes and back in and she's so great at everything and she rolled a six and got out. Yeah.

[01:10:59] I saw a stat on the odds it was you know it was three out of I think it was one out of four rolled sixes rather than one out of six which would be the idea. So there was an above average rolling of sixes which was interesting.

[01:11:16] I mean that makes sense to me because if it's only when you roll many, many times does it come towards the average you know but let's see Ashley voted for my and I didn't blame her at this point.

[01:11:30] She even had a good point she said it's not fair for me to be nominated twice so. Right get that fit with the rules and then Chad. Chad. Chad. Her not also. Her not. Yeah. Yeah. And my name was like damn you Chad.

[01:11:47] She kind of rolled World War II movie or something. I do. I love their friendship. They were just. Yeah. And fortunately yeah be perna in Chad.

[01:12:00] And Ashley and her confessional said my you want to play dirty and karma's a bitch and you put some bad bad vibes into the universe and I'm like. Chad was so nice. How do you recognize that? Yeah. I don't know.

[01:12:14] It runs out of narrative of what themselves you know. Yeah. Then episode nine circle of trust and everybody my is like a pariah in the dorm and she's super stressed about it. And then she decides to pull Sam aside.

[01:12:35] They got with the beard and tell her why she did that which I was happy. Yeah. I'm like yeah should be explaining this and she says well to Ashley was selfish but she didn't also mention that she was dumb. Like you. Yeah.

[01:12:50] You the best chance you had was what we all agreed on. Yeah. But Sam didn't buy into it. It didn't buy it.

[01:12:56] Oh that seemed like it came out of left field which is just another piece of evidence that maybe it didn't quite lay on the way we saw. But you know, the editing everything can be edited and I think early season reality show. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:13:13] Our more realistic just because they haven't figured out really how to edit it but now that we're doing reality shows like what 20 years, 23 years after the first survivor. I feel like producers have really figured out how to edit things to look the way they want them to.

[01:13:29] Because he didn't say anything and if you turned around and said come on he and yelled out to everyone come on everyone you know she knows she's go back to everyone like yeah you gotta go you gotta go. Yeah.

[01:13:41] There's just a kind of like these looks and then going back to what I thought or when I was doing it that the length of time they waited was due to the edit maybe he just went like that twice and then yeah you know but that makes me so that those looks into a longer period you know what we're maybe there wasn't that extended time that there was this you go no you go but he just jumped a couple of times.

[01:14:08] And then I took off for some reason. Well we know that they can play with time because of what they did with red like green light. Yeah.

[01:14:15] So, May brings my brings Ashley aside and Ashley says to her I don't know what you saw or didn't see but I jumped and it seems like they would have had the conversation well what about tray you sacrifice tray and maybe they did have that conversation but maybe Ashley said no he barely gave me a chance and he just got off but they didn't want to put that in there or something.

[01:14:37] You know I think you ride actually Jason now that you brought me around. You brought me around. Lower Jason. I don't know it just doesn't quite add up you know.

[01:14:46] I'm not saying that's true it just makes you wonder because if it is the way it was presented then I really don't like Ashley at all but it doesn't quite add up the way everyone else reacted to it. I think only tray can really answer that question.

[01:15:02] That's true. And then maybe anyone who saw it actually play out but I don't know if those questions have even been asked. Yeah there's loads because I looked for you know recaps to just make sure I caught up and so.

[01:15:17] And there's loads of interviews with players and I think there was one with him which I didn't want to watch he just to use.

[01:15:26] And then like I said I had a bunch of these post more than things and he said about stepping on to the glass bridge quote at that moment. I genuinely believed I was going to make it to the end of the bridge.

[01:15:37] I was like yeah I'm going to be the person to do this and get 18 in a row so he didn't know the odds. I've never had that type of confidence in my life and I don't quite know how to process that feeling yet quote and quote.

[01:15:48] But he's made peace with how Ashley impacted the outcome in the challenge by initially not stepping forward quote in terms of not having.

[01:15:55] That support from behind is just how the game goes and it's hard because of that you have to be generous and spirit so it sounds like yeah he maybe you know make up quote up in the post for a minute or like maybe she paused for like five seconds.

[01:16:10] And then he just took all I think but I think there's also that possibility that she paused and he felt like she was not going to step up at all. Yeah I think so. And then he was going to have to go do it all. Absolutely. Himself.

[01:16:26] And so that's that is probably why he said okay well I've got to do this because she's not going to come up and how was anyone else going to get up here if she doesn't come up.

[01:16:35] So I've just got to do this myself and get us over there. But I suspect yeah now that we've talked it through that she did pause but it wasn't as long as they showed it.

[01:16:46] And it's interesting to talk about it that idea of white line fever when you close to when you're playing football and you close to the garland after talking to go for it.

[01:16:56] And yeah just blow the whole game and he was just so right the temptation of glory even the most unlikely glory was right there in the planet. He's I know I can do this and he was filled with some sort of you know over.

[01:17:12] And remember he wasn't he wasn't big into sports like couldn't really do sports that's where you kind of learn some of the ways of dealing with the adrenaline. Yeah that's true. That's going to be a good thing. It didn't have that. It's statistics close I think. Yes exactly.

[01:17:33] Yeah so then they do the circle of trust where they have how many people were left in the world. How many people were left here nine I think nine people were left at one in there. That all the chairs in a circle with this gift in the middle.

[01:17:48] The game is that they will all be blindfolded then one of the squid game people will tap what on the shoulder they take off their blindfold.

[01:17:57] Choose someone to put the take the gift and put it on their desk which means they could potentially be eliminated unless they guess who gave it to them. So what stands up to you guys about this that no one put a box on Sam's desk at all.

[01:18:17] He really I think was the only one who didn't get a box. And so he didn't really have to do anything other than sit there and be blindfolded. So we didn't have to make any choices.

[01:18:29] I think honestly that says something for what people think of him because people didn't want to put him in a position to be taken out. Or put themselves in position to be taken out by having him be the one trying to guess.

[01:18:47] So I thought that was really interesting. But I mean my picked role and though. And it was so smart because they were friends and you'd never specced right and didn't suspect and that was ruthless but smart. What's the why does everyone love my.

[01:19:08] Like she's she's seems to be on this pedestal that I'm not sure how she deserves. I've said my is amazing she's and I haven't seen anything that would convince me that she was this great player.

[01:19:23] She seems to just you know bit under the radar gone along but they all seem to have this massive respect for her. I think that there's a lot probably that we haven't seen right yeah.

[01:19:36] Yeah, that's the interaction but also in this game she did well she went around well when she got the box I mean in this circle of trust. Yeah, someone who gave it to her it was and her job definitely came to. Helia. Helia. Helia. Helia.

[01:19:56] And he went around and sort of sized each one of them up individually and she mentioned I think in like they did a little off screen interview how she sizes up immigrants and we talk. That would definitely help you. Yeah, it did.

[01:20:11] She liked asked him a couple questions and figured out it was him and that was a me because I think she was the first one to get it right but filled with hilarious with it with the cold. Oh my gosh.

[01:20:22] Yes, he's like I think the person was and our own. That's right. And that was really cool because Phil's nervous looked like they were having a great time. Yeah, we talked about it all the way.

[01:20:39] And just kept perspective about it and making it fun even though they knew they could be eliminated could still come. It was yeah and it just made me like them even more. Yeah. And glad that they made it through and Phil got picked twice right and yeah.

[01:20:58] Back to back. Yeah, pick the right person both times. Yeah, I couldn't believe it. I'm like, I'm up getting anywhere near Phil with this one. Phil was to know.

[01:21:09] Well, and Phil eliminated Halley and he hadn't I mean he had an impossible task because he's sitting there thinking well this one in this one you know and Halley even talks about it.

[01:21:23] Well, you won't give it to you and you won't give it to you and it's too obvious to give it to this one. Like right.

[01:21:29] Trying to figure out who put it on who gave it to her was really hard because of the dynamics of the people that were left really was and it was it the whole game was more interesting because of this rivalry between my and Ashley.

[01:21:46] Yeah, when when had before a few of them got eliminated, Halley got chosen to give the gift. And she picked Amanda and Amanda accused Phil whoops, so Amanda's out.

[01:21:58] But then Halley in this like off screen for vegetables like I might be feeling guilty about this but the 4.56 million makes off in the blow. Exactly exactly exactly. Yeah, this was an interesting way to what all things down. It was fascinating to watch.

[01:22:20] Because you had to think very quickly and I just don't know how you have any brain cells left. It's like really how do you have anything left in the tank? Yeah, whatever. My was a pro and Phil was a pro. Yeah. Phil. Yeah.

[01:22:35] Like after two people, they could feel and Phil guessed to it was both times. Oh, I'm like I would not pick Phil in that one. I was so worried though, the second time that he was picked or the second time they were picked. Yeah.

[01:22:50] I was really worried about Phil. I was so thinking they were going to pick wrong and I just. You get to the point where you don't even know who you want to be in the finals. No, don't want people to leave. Yeah.

[01:23:08] You're just kind of like no, I know. No, I'm just an observer at this stage. I want to see how it plays out. Yeah. I think Phil was kind of my favorite but not by much and yeah. Yeah. Let me just let me just go on.

[01:23:25] One more thing about this and then we'll get to hopes and predictions. So yeah. So the very last one was very interesting because Halley got picked but God given the gift. But we didn't get to see who this time.

[01:23:38] So that's what made the very last one differently and then she had to guess. And when she guessed Sam number 16, my first thought was oh good. She didn't guess Phil so Phil saved. I thought I'd put down my phone at that stage and the post. Oh, that's interesting.

[01:23:59] Yeah. So we didn't know she picked her out. I thought it kind of dragged and then I'm like oh this is actually more interesting when I don't know if he put it down. I'm like oh wow. Oh that's a better purpose.

[01:24:12] And then it was Phil and Phil was in the confessional just like cry. Oh, it's a little sad but it was great. Well, I thought it was interesting too. They were talking about Halley was like oh but my she's shaking. She's so nervous.

[01:24:26] It's Sam's just like we're all nervous. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was Sam when he said that because I'm like he's acting weird. He's standing up for my wife. He was in the neighborhood to the red house. Phil. Oh, it was Phil. Yeah.

[01:24:45] And then in the dorm so there's three left. Sam, my and Phil and Sam is asking my. So did you put the box on Roland's desk? Yeah. Because I was in the open. You mentioned damn well did and then he's like oh well then who's boxed?

[01:25:02] Did you put it on? She said oh but oh oh oh oh oh my god. Two ones. I'm like why didn't you just admit it? Like who cares? It's I don't know. I guess because Roland's such a nice guy. Yeah.

[01:25:14] Everyone's gonna know because it's all going to be on TV. So Phil's watching. He wants to maintain the you know the harmless harmless gentle woman, you know. And it's just like you know when Carol does that on the walking day when she's like baking cookies.

[01:25:31] He's just going to present myself as this harmless person. Right. You know but my nose what she's doing and she's got her eye in the prize and has done for a several rounds of nails. She's not taking prisoners. Definitely.

[01:25:45] So as I said, it's Phil, my and and Sam left. I would love to know who you guys think we'll win and who you hope will win. Definitely off to you. I it's so hard because each individual person, there's so many qualities that you can like about them.

[01:26:08] And I'm one as we talked about earlier. It's so seldom is three people in the end that I like. It's usually one person I can't stand another person I don't care about. And the person that I really want to win.

[01:26:25] Yeah, yeah and then they lose the fire challenge. Yeah. That's how it usually ends up. In fact that we have three people in the end that I would be comfortable with any of the three of them winning. I just got this feeling that it's going to be Sam.

[01:26:47] Do you interesting? Yeah. I do, but I honestly would be really happy with any of them, which is what makes the finale going into the finale so much fun because I won't be disappointed.

[01:27:01] Because I'm okay with any of them winning because I feel like all three of them have fought so hard to get here. And we've seen their, you know, their story.

[01:27:15] We've seen this all play out with them and it's much more growing to go from 456 people to to dad whittling down all the way to three. So I would be okay with any of them winning.

[01:27:31] But I think that I just have a feeling it's going to be Sam. But you Jonathan. I, I, at the same rate of Sam, I'm a Sam. I don't think has stood out to me.

[01:27:46] So like my and feel I've seen the moves have done in the way they've actively helped to get them themselves where they are. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but if I miss something with Sam, what was his big moment? Would you say?

[01:28:06] He's just talked a lot about wanting to play with honor and yeah, I don't know if he's had as big of a moment as. So is that thing that where he's impacted someone else so he's definitely the under the right of player.

[01:28:18] Yes, he seems like a good straight forward. He seems like a good straight forward. Yeah, yeah. He didn't get a confessional until very late. Yeah. Like I think it was episode eight or even at the beginning of this one maybe.

[01:28:33] He got a confessional talking about growing up as a gay male and his family. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A building of a family of a group of friends that became his family, either tighter than blood.

[01:28:49] Which I thought was a really, you know heartbreaking story if you think about it. But yeah, Jason, what about you? Well, Jonathan did say it. I just put my call in. I'll be happy, but if I had to pick someone, I will pick Phil for the win. Phil.

[01:29:08] Hopes or think they'll win or both? I don't mind any of them because I feel like they all have done enough and I think the randomness of it. They've found themselves in. I think they're all good people. I don't think any of them have done anything hateful.

[01:29:24] Although the funniest was, My beating on the guy's chest didn't she write about and she said, Oh, no, she, who I got to. So I think it'd be hilarious if she won, but I think Phil win. It just had to call someone. I hope Phil wins.

[01:29:44] Phil's my favorite. I just think they're a really good person and entertaining and interesting. But it's close. I think Sam is a really good person. None is quite as entertaining, but yeah, it seems like a good dude.

[01:30:01] Yeah, his courtroom drama sealed it for me with Phil, with it. Yeah, absolutely. That was just fun. And so something about you. You didn't want to, you couldn't stand being the person in the room with not the prettiest hair or something like that. Yeah, thank God.

[01:30:20] I went and happened twice. Yeah, okay. Yeah, very cool. So my least favorite is probably my but I like your pretty well. She's a little odd, but I'd be happy if she won too. Anyway, any of them like you said, definitely.

[01:30:36] It's the point where I wouldn't be disappointed. And that's good. I mean, that's good. That means we can go into the finale excited about it. You're not rooting against anyone.

[01:30:46] You're just kind of like, well, this is who I'd like to win, but I'm okay with anyone winning it. Yes, it's okay. So Daphne said she had some fun questions for us, which I'm really intrigued. I'm kind of aware that since we're covering four episodes here,

[01:30:59] that this is going to go along. So she's got one that would fit perfectly here and then we'll do the rest when we cover the finale next week. Cool. Okay. So what player do you think or did you want to make the final three? But they didn't.

[01:31:19] I wish I could see like a great with all their faces. I guess, tray, tray, for sure. I really liked the mallet guy. I thought he was very sweet. Steady to the Stephen. And that the Irish guy I really liked. Michael. Yeah. Yeah. And game of gold.

[01:31:43] It's so hard. Yeah. Yeah. There are great characters on this, but yeah. But I think it worked out really fair and we're not fair, but people won because they won. You know? And there was, I think this has done really well.

[01:32:02] And that's left me kind of interested to see what's going to happen rather than for sure, rooting for someone. Yeah. I like that too. It is a cool game. Like you can get eliminated and it feels like it just, it was chance, you know? Yeah.

[01:32:20] It wasn't because of anything you did wrong. But that's a part of Squid Game. So it's okay. I think anyway. Yeah. All right. So let's get on some news. Entertainment Weekly asks Squid Game Challenge Executive producers Steven Lambert and John Hay.

[01:32:37] If there's been conversations about making a second season. And Lambert said, that's all in the hands of our dear friends at Netflix. If they have the desire, whether they want to do it again, if viewers love the show and from what we understand the people do,

[01:32:50] Netflix will publish numbers for the first week. So it'll be interesting to see what those numbers are like. If they're good, then who knows? Maybe they'll want to do another season.

[01:32:59] And they said, it probably is too early to judge, but we would obviously love to do season two. We think it's a game with potential. So I don't know. Do you guys think there will be? I hope so. So I think such great production quality on the release.

[01:33:16] Yeah. Bravo. I think the numbers were somewhere in like 90 million. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's really good. There's there's good. And Netflix they release numbers, but you can't often find them. No.

[01:33:32] I say this as someone who podcasts on movies and I can't find information half the time on what's going on or how many people have viewed something. Yeah. So I think that's good.

[01:33:44] I hope there's a season two, but I do think that this is when they're going to have to break from the similarities between series just because people will start to expect like with any other reality show that's had to grow and evolve over time.

[01:34:03] I think this one will have to otherwise people are going to come in knowing what's coming. Yeah.

[01:34:09] Unless this is the format that they want to have, it's just going to make things interesting because people are going to be coming in with a mindset of this is what we're, yeah, this is what we're going to be having.

[01:34:20] And I've got to be prepared for each of these things and also know that might be the phase. Yeah, won't be in my own hands. But I think they can always, I think they'll always start with red light green light.

[01:34:33] I think that you can do their every single time. Yeah. I don't think all I ever do tug of war and I think though, they'll swap out things where you line up like the challenge after you line up randomly will always change.

[01:34:49] And I think they'll always do the the honeycomb one because it's so tense and iconic, but they'll change how you get to choose which one. Yeah, you're going to go down play with expectations. I like how they brought warships in.

[01:35:05] I like how they used that because I was expecting something else and we got warships and I like this huge battleship like. That was so cool and there are so many games that you can do like that. I mean, there's other things you can do.

[01:35:22] Yeah, they could do the game of life where they all sit in a car and drive around and have babies and stuff in the town of Tom. Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom. With a live, Tom, Tom. You're correct. Okay.

[01:35:35] So, Daphne set me this article catching up with some of the players and I just picked the parts that I thought were the most interesting. And it starts from all the way back and goes chronologically.

[01:35:46] So, Danny, who's number 134, she's the one in the first episode that suggested to Kyle to eliminate multi. She said when she got eliminated her number one priority was contacting multi. Right. I was at the airport going home and sent him a voice note.

[01:36:02] I was like, hey, if you get a chance, I'd love to get to know you and talk about my experience. When he responded, Danny revealed that she was the one responsible for sending him home. And he said, what the fuck are you talking to me for?

[01:36:13] I'm just kidding. He said, she said, I told him I was one of the people that eliminated you and explained why I did it. I wanted to just apologize and say we don't need to have a relationship, but if you want one, I would love one.

[01:36:24] According to Danny, multi was more than happy to hear from her quote. He was amazing. He was like, I forgive you. It's just a game. Then he sent me the song, don't worry, be happy. Yeah. That's nice. Yeah. But I think she was strategically right to vote, man.

[01:36:40] Yeah. And he probably did too. Yeah. Spencer, 299, the one who chose the umbrella for the Dalgona. He said, once the challenge was underway, the emotions of his fellow players became almost too much to bear. Everyone was watching me and most of them hated me. He recalls.

[01:37:02] I held up my umbrella to check how close I was and a few people started cussing me out. I started shaking a little bit and when I put it back down on the tray, it broke. So that's over.

[01:37:13] After graduating from school, he's now working as a software engineer. He's pursuing his passion for theater. He's producing and starring in a one-man show that set today, but in April next year, the show is called gag me with a spoon. No, I'm sitting up.

[01:37:27] Who's name is, or who's name? Number 198. He's the guy that picked up the phone twice. He said, I picked up the phone twice because I genuinely thought it was going to be the chance to eliminate someone and I didn't want it to be me.

[01:37:45] So I tried to get ahead of it. He says, once he realized that he needed to convince someone else to take the call, he says he really only had one option to stay in the game.

[01:37:54] The only way I could have got someone to pick up the phone is if I snake my friends in there. And I wouldn't have done that. That's true. So that makes sense.

[01:38:03] That's kind of why I just said I would point at my friend far away, but try to get someone else to grab it before they could get there. Or we could have used my genius technique of just calling us around number. Yes, true.

[01:38:17] Probably check what not I thought of it. Maybe. Brighton number 432, the cocky guy. Despite what they, what some may say, Brighton wants you to know that he's quite much nicer than people think.

[01:38:32] While he doesn't necessarily expect viewers to be rooting for him, Brighton sees himself somewhere on the, quote, fine line between villain and hero. Think the Joker he says, which is Joker. Finally, he's being villain here.

[01:38:43] Well, the only way I have is not putting my foot down more on who should be captain in the Worship's game. They moved our boat to the front and I argued for like 10 seconds.

[01:38:52] I would have been safe and moved on to the next round if I had listened, if I hadn't listened to them. If his self confidence rubbs you the wrong way, Brighton would like to clarify that it doesn't stem from having this quote crazy high ego,

[01:39:04] adding that he quote killed his pride three years ago. So, okay. He's now making travel and fitness videos with his friends on YouTube. Lorenzo, the one who declined Leanne's apple slices. While there are moments that quote keep him up at night, Lorenzo's all about what's next.

[01:39:26] Quote, I'm more future oriented. I cannot think about the mistakes in the past. I wouldn't do anything different. Maybe I would have eaten the bloody apple. He says he holds no hard feelings towards the end.

[01:39:39] Quote, I respectfully end for eliminating me because deep down she wanted to eliminate strong as player. Stephen, the multi guy who is friends with older guy Rick, who of Felicia eliminated.

[01:39:55] Stephen's walking away with lifelong friends in the Gan Boo gang, including Rick, who's playing to visit sometimes soon. Quote, what really attracted me to him was just how he was with his family. He felt like holy crap. I see how a dad is supposed to be.

[01:40:09] He wasn't away, filling that void I have with my dad who I haven't had a relationship with and two decades. So I really lean towards him in that regard. As for what's next, he says hopefully I can do some dang underwear modeling. That's pretty cool. Okay.

[01:40:25] Rick, the older guy physician, his friends with Stephen, he's a big squid game fan. He wanted to experience the world of the squid game. He thought being in a alliance with younger people was the best way to go in case there were physical challenges.

[01:40:40] Ultimately, however, the game Boo gang alliance is what drew the wrong kind of attention from the other players leading to his elimination. Quote, being 69, my size and kind of a quiet guy, I thought I wouldn't be a target no matter what I was in.

[01:40:53] He said his elimination has been hard to shake, given that his fate was sealed by someone else, but he's leaving the competition with a new group of close friends.

[01:41:01] And when the time is right, Rick fully intends on adding a new slew of tattoos to his collection to commemorate the experience. I will get that he says there's no way I'm going to my grave without squid game with me.

[01:41:13] Dash who voted to House Cheney, remember him when 41? He says the only person that I told who I actually voted for was Lucia, player 54, who was my original number one ally.

[01:41:28] She'd been doubting my trust and suspecting that I had been in on the elimination of her newer bestie Lorenzo. In order to prove to Lucia that she could trust me, I confided in hers to actually voted for helping to prove my loyalty.

[01:41:40] Unfortunately, I believe other players got in Lucia's head and then she leaked this information. Despite her betrayal, Dash and Lucia have since moved past the misunderstanding and remained friends, supposedly. Leon, the mom to tray.

[01:41:57] As for her unexpected connection with Brighton, player 442 in the dorms, the cocky-eyed Leon shares the two haven't spoken since the experience despite her best efforts.

[01:42:07] I've reached out to him a couple of times to say I hope you're doing well, but I think his DMs are filled with people not like me. She says.

[01:42:16] About Lorenzo, she says he was rude with the apple and he was rude when we were trying to do worship, so I put his number up. And it was for her own elimination during the marbles challenge. She has one regret.

[01:42:30] I never would have gone on that picnic with tray because I knew immediately that we needed to find different partners. She says, tray are ever insisted and so the two faced off in the game.

[01:42:40] This game is so important to him and I wouldn't have been in it without him. I didn't let him win and I will continue to say that. And she says that she hopes her time on the show will encourage others to take risks.

[01:42:53] I just want to tell people my age and older, you might look like you're 65 or 70 but that's not what's on the inside. There's fire still there. You still haven't let it die. Yeah. Yeah. It's cool. Felicia, 229, the one who voted three people out including Rick and Stephen.

[01:43:10] She said she thought that was the best strategy and quote just so everyone knows I talked to Stephen and Rick and they're so adorable And we love each other and we just know it's a game. That was nice to hear her friend Ashley that beat her at Marble.

[01:43:24] She says, I'm obsessed with Ashley. She's my bestie. We talk on the phone all the time. I can say hello to each other on the phone and her daughter's two. Cheney, I found one interesting thing in her. She's the leader of her alliance.

[01:43:39] Cheney, number 179, she's proud of how she played and she said being on the show is definitely up in my eyes to the LGBTQ community. Before the show, I had no idea what pronouns were and how to ask someone in a respectful manner how they identify.

[01:43:53] I feel extremely blessed to have my perspective shifted in such a positive way and I'm grateful for those connections that I made with the LGBTQ community. They might people now. That was kind of cool. She got a new perspective.

[01:44:06] Aurora, the one that got eliminated with Dylan and Marbles, because I couldn't agree on who won.

[01:44:13] She says, I'm so incredibly proud of myself for not only standing my ground but also showing women what we do not have to that we do not have to be manipulated into doing what a man wants. Even though she did do what he wanted.

[01:44:26] This world is made for men to succeed and even though I was eliminated and yet I'm so happy that I stood out for myself in a space with so much was on the line. Even though she didn't.

[01:44:39] Dylan, the other guy says he doesn't regret how he played. He says besides the winner, I genuinely feel I'm the only person who did not lose quit game the challenge.

[01:44:50] He says, I won the physical games, I won the social games and I won the mental battles. There's not much one can do when someone refuses to compete with you on a competition show. Even though she did compete with him.

[01:45:03] You know, though I've just been thinking about us talking earlier about how things are edited. I do have to wonder if there's more to that though. The way they edited that could be for the reaction. You never know. Yeah, I'm just not sure. Yeah, don't know. Good point.

[01:45:24] TJ, the leader guy, gratitude to him, he said the game humbled the hell out of him and about course. And about the glass bridge, she says, some nights I wake up thinking I should have gone right. But it wasn't in the cards for me.

[01:45:38] Oh, I'd be thinking that too. He became an assistant for basketball coach, Shetton or the New Mexico College. Tray, son of Lee-Anne. He's preparing to write a marathon alongside Roland, number 14. Nice. He's taking steps forward in his life with his girlfriend.

[01:45:59] So at least now he has a girlfriend. Even though he seemed to like that girl again. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. And I already said what he said about the glass bridge.

[01:46:12] And he's one of the people that said he enjoys chatting with strangers now. He was shy before this. Jackie 393, the deaf girl said about when her marbles partner Tim accused her of playing the sympathy card.

[01:46:26] She says, in terms of how I see people, I'm more skeptical now than ever before. I often think who would you become if you were in the games. So that seemed to have a really negative impact on her. Yeah.

[01:46:38] Be the men to member who did well in warships and lost on the dialysis. She says, and as she reflects on her eliminating dice roll, which she called, she has no regrets. That was how I wanted to go out.

[01:46:50] She said, I never wanted it to be someone else's hand. I wanted it to either on my own or through merit. And it was my time to go. And I left with a smile on my face for a reason. It was great. I had the best time.

[01:47:02] Let's go. Yeah, she was glad. I liked it. Yeah, me too. She works in video games for an indie publisher. And she's been living with her fiance and is looking after a snake named fluffy. Ashley, who, at least seemed like she screwed tray over

[01:47:22] in the glass bridge game, I already read all about what she said about him. A couple other things she said, I didn't have a strategy. I was a dead ass just in here chilling.

[01:47:34] Everybody wanted to pretend to be friends and be clicky, but I didn't see the point in any of that even though we did see her pretending to be friends. That was a lot of hockey. There was more than you see on some of the others. Yeah.

[01:47:48] And she still friends with Felicia, who she says like a big sister to her. Amanda, the blonde who picked the wrong person in the blindfold game.

[01:47:58] Most of the thing I thought is that she recently climbed the Eiffel Tower, which I didn't know you were allowed to do that. Yeah. You get right up to the top. Yeah, I think I meant she climbed. Well, maybe out the stairs. Going up the stairs.

[01:48:12] So then she climbed on the outside. Not quite as impressive. You could also quote say you just visited the top. Yeah, that's right. I was about to say you can't say Everest, but you're right. Roland, the braided hair guy.

[01:48:28] He's a full-time parkour coach and loves working with kids. Does action sports. He said he admits he was salty for a good hour to after recently learning that my was the one to put the gift on his desk. But you now forgive her quote.

[01:48:45] She played that game so well, so you can't be mad at her because you have to start stabbing people in the back at that point. Yeah. Until watching the series, however, he was convinced that Sam was the culprit.

[01:48:55] He since apologized for suspecting it was him over the past 10 months. And about his hair, he says, I wasn't confident enough to grow my hair out in high school, but I always wanted to. Because having a long hair is a big cultural thing in parkour and action sports.

[01:49:10] I said it's taken six years to achieve this current length. And I made doing cool stair hairstyles that most guys wouldn't typically do a big part of my identity now I have mastered the space buttons.

[01:49:21] And he was a guy that the more we got to know him, the more respect I had for him. Yeah. And then last is Halley 355, ousted by Phil in the circle of trust. The circle of trust is definitely kept me up at night since we filmed the show.

[01:49:38] I was so in my head at that point that I'm not sure I ever could have guessed who put the damn box on my desk. It's hard to regret it too much now because I was shocked. I even made it past red light, green light.

[01:49:49] And that's all because there's three people left and we don't know what they say because they're not allowed to talk to anybody. I'm sure. Well, I'm oldly and I've got no idea who's going to win. No. I'm okay with it.

[01:50:06] Yeah. I let myself watch the next time on, but you didn't really pay too much attention to it. So I've already forgotten it. So I'm really going into the finale with nothing. No expectations.

[01:50:21] I watched it too and there were some cool visuals, but they didn't even get job of not giving anything away. Yeah. There's nothing. I appreciated that they showed us just enough that we didn't see the similarities,

[01:50:33] but nothing that's going to say, oh, this person's definitely going to make it or you wouldn't. Yeah. Yeah. And I appreciate that. They would have really blown it if they did that. Yeah. I appreciate that. So we do have just a couple of list or messages.

[01:50:49] Daphne, do you want to do the first one? I'll take the first one. Becky Fender Anderson says, I started and couldn't stop. I know that's how I feel too. I've enjoyed the regular games. Battleship was really cool, but my favorites are the side games and tests.

[01:51:06] It's different enough from the regular show to keep it interesting and helps feed the drama among players. The tension in angst, the players feel is so fun to watch. I knew early on who I was rooting for and who I was hoping would get eliminated.

[01:51:19] Poor Spencer in the cookie game. Lastly, I would have had words with a girl who stole the hamburger. That was Jada. She stole the hamburger. But she donated the kidney. She just was the hamburger. I know. All right, from Troy Campbell, overall I like this show.

[01:51:41] I've been to both times, they released new episodes. I think there's a little too much RNG, random number generator and not as many actual games slash challenges. Warship was my favorite adaptation between the show and the challenge. Thought it was really clever.

[01:51:58] The final game to get down to threat three was really exciting. It almost felt a little rigged slash scripted shuggie face, but still awesome to watch. My question to everyone is, what was your favorite elimination so far? I burst out laughing when my name was TJ G.

[01:52:17] Didn't through the glass was a great way to go out. That was my favorite. I loved so hard when he did that. He's like, you got to attack it head on or something like that and then we got to see

[01:52:30] this so confident that his decisions were leading to wins and it's pretty random the whole way through. You know, he like any kind of thing that went his favorite. He just took full credit for so when he just fell through that trap door.

[01:52:47] Being so like bold the way he was and out going and just also like putting himself up as a leader and speaking all these platitudes and you know, it's amazing. Someone's amazing. He made it as far as he did. Yeah. That he had a good heart. Yes.

[01:53:08] And he did do some good things. I mean he got through that battleship challenge and nobody was lost. I mean that that in itself is pretty incredible.

[01:53:17] Not one of his team was eliminated but that was, but he didn't affect that because that was this bad guesses from the other side. That is, that is true. But he did pick the right places to put the pack. He did. He did. And that was pure skills.

[01:53:34] That yeah. He was skill or foresight and you know what? I would love to see a battle, a warships game between him and B. And that. Yeah, right. I think B would come out on top in that. I just do. I think she gets it.

[01:53:49] But there is something to say the confidence I think in this games. Fun to watch. Yeah. If not, I think else. For sure. Okay. That is our show. Thanks for listening to everybody. All you reality show heads. Final up to you. Okay. That is our show.

[01:54:08] Thanks for listening to everybody. All you reality show heads. Final up to you. So 10 comes out December 6th Wednesday and we'll be back to cover it. Sometimes soon after that. So stay tuned for that.

[01:54:22] But next up, I promise this time is going to be Squid Game Season 1 episode 3, The Man with the umbrella. And if you want to write in or send us a voice message about it, you can find all our contact information at podcast.com.

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[01:55:07] I'm really watching it as well. Yeah, I forgot about this voice mail coming soon Jason. Yes. Alright, that is our show. Thanks for listening. Alright, which one of you is going to jump on that glass bridge first? Go ahead. I'll do it. I believe. Thank you.