6: Squid Game: The Challenge S1 Finale

[00:00:00] 1. 10. 10. Lairs. We hope you're enjoying your feast. But only two of you will proceed to the final game. Now what if you must be eliminated? 10. Never a treat without a trick. 9. Hey everybody, welcome to the Podcast, I'm Jason. And I'm Daphne. And I'm Jonathan.

[00:01:02] In this episode, we're covering Squid Game the Challenge season 1 episode 10, The finale One Lucky Day. Well, well, well, well, there we are. You know what? I'm going to cut right to it too. We're going to go through the whole thing and got listener feedback.

[00:01:18] We got some news that Sheds Light on stuff from earlier in the series. But I just want to say right off the bat until the Rochambo at the end. Because they were doing it, it made me realize.

[00:01:31] Even though I said I would be happy with any of them. I really wanted Phil to win and I kind of didn't want my to win. That's why I was kind of bummed. Yeah, I was. I was okay with my winning. I'm okay but she was the least.

[00:01:45] You're okay. You feel good about it, Daphne? Yeah, I feel good about it. I think that any of the three had very compelling stories. And they kind of took a moment in this to remind us just how compelling the stories

[00:02:01] were and how far these three people had come throughout the game. Because in some cases, we didn't really, they didn't really talk to them until we were part-way through like a couple episodes in.

[00:02:16] The thing is though I want to go back and rewatch some of the early episodes just by can spot them. Can see them because they better. I mean, I'm pretty sure they, yeah, they edited this whole thing together after it was all filled right.

[00:02:31] So it does make me wonder if they purposefully put some scenes in with them just for Easter eggs kind of. Yeah. I would. But that black and white and color recap. That was so interesting. That was good.

[00:02:44] I loved it going back to the beginning showing these three finalists in the earlier games and just having them in color and everyone else in London, white, maybe feeling like all these other people are dead. You know?

[00:02:55] Well, and it also, like some of their biggest moments, like just remembering how upset my ones win the Chad role of the Sittics and had to leave and she goes and got it. That's baiting his chest.

[00:03:10] I thought that was a little bit out of the rope to be honest. This April fools are, yeah. No. No. No. No. Yeah, I had a feeling once Phil and Sam said, well, you know, we want to go to the end together.

[00:03:27] I'm thinking, you're not going to cause you like going to. You wanted to. But the first rule of reality TV don't say you want to go to the end. Yeah. Don't make plans. No. It doesn't work.

[00:03:39] It was weird that it was only one episode to watch at the end. I was just like getting into it and then it was all over. But I've been watching the original series at the same time. So when they all started speaking English, it was bizarre to me.

[00:03:55] It was like, you know, I was speaking Korean. It was happening here. So I want to go through, you know, as we've been doing kind of step by step. So we already mentioned they've gone back to the beginning.

[00:04:09] When they're in the dorm, I just noticed for the first time, I think it's been there for the whole time. But that they're like these stick figures on the wall to represent the games.

[00:04:19] So one group is holding up shapes like the ball gone a game and one has an umbrella, you know, in a circle like a balloon or something. And then there's some playing tug of war.

[00:04:28] And I thought maybe that was sort of meant to mislead the players into thinking that they'd be playing it, you know? Well, because it's going to change. It's reminiscent of the series. Exactly. And they were ready for it.

[00:04:42] But I think that was a bait in switch by them to purposely get them to line up with big strong guys and then take it. Oh, yeah. That was. And when they were doing that, I'm sure the producers were like, yes. It's okay.

[00:04:57] That was one of my favorite moments of the series. Yeah, same. When they walked in and saw that it was basically a big battleship type game. After we got in the first two right out of the series, we were like green line and

[00:05:15] I still think that it threw them for a loop. And that's why they didn't guess the marbles. Oh, yeah. Because they didn't get anything could happen. Yeah. Although if you read what they said, you know, people talking about it afterwards, I

[00:05:30] think Trace said that him and his mom were like, do you think this picnic is the marble game? I don't know. And then it was, you know, so they didn't want to show that because they wanted it to.

[00:05:38] I mean, one thing that has, I guess you kind of have to sculpt a story out of it. But when you hear that maybe they tweet things to look different than they actually were, then it does make me feel a little less impressed.

[00:05:52] I think this, when you go into this kind of dive, you know, but for a casual viewer, just watching it, like all the storylines really help and make you care about the characters.

[00:06:07] But for me, even then, I don't think we lived in up with these guys to know that well. I liked all of them, but when the, if I can talk about the finale, I was an

[00:06:23] little unimpressed and disappointed because I don't think I knew or liked felt strongly enough about the characters for games that were so simple and so kind of luck based for the tension to be really high for me.

[00:06:43] I found this the least impressive of all 10 episodes, even though we got the book. Yeah. Yeah. Just a jump ahead. No, no, I want to talk about that. Before there's one thing I also noticed that when the reds jumpsuited guys came out to tell

[00:07:06] them something, it's a square and all circles. And it mainly asked myself, are there any triangle faced guys in this? Because I've been watching the squid game right again too, as you know, if you've listened to this podcast because we haven't talked in the hell out of it.

[00:07:19] And it's the triangle guys that have the guns and in a lot of the games, if you mess up, there are the ones that shoot you in the face. And so I kind of wondered, I can't remember but looking back on this challenge, the squid

[00:07:32] game of challenge reality series, did they not have the triangle guys in it at all ever? Because you would think at the dinner, they would have triangle guys cry because one of them is going to be leaving, but they weren't. There were circle guys. Right.

[00:07:45] I haven't really noticed, but I, but interestingly, I did see a thumbnail on the YouTube video that showed one of the guys with a star face in the back. I think somebody, I think somebody edited that for. Do you think yeah, I think they captured it. Okay.

[00:08:02] Oh, well done. Yeah. Yeah. Because the, because the, the, the, well, the, yeah, what's it? It was like, oh, there's Easter eggs all the way through, but, but you went further. That was not a real thing. Please edit this up. Oh, no, that's interesting. Oh, I'll leave it.

[00:08:19] Fake news. So they get to the dinner, this big, opulently dimly lit dinner. They're all dressed up and there's candles and all the trimmings stake. You know, after that, amazing. Crap table was so beautifully set. Wasn't that it was like a triangle too,

[00:08:35] is amazing because three people, three sides and triangles, one of the shapes. So, um, that was pretty cool. It felt like really stiff conversation. Yeah. You know, they were just sort of too much on the line.

[00:08:51] It's exactly like the, um, the vinyl meal and survivor when, you know, you're there and you've got all day to think about, you can just have a nice meal together and then you go up to the thing and then you put your case forward.

[00:09:05] They were like right in the middle of it. I think, and I think they knew a game was about to happen and they were going to have to double cross somebody. And so I think there was tension.

[00:09:14] But I think even with the May, she's so different to the other two guys. I don't think there was much opportunity for conversation. It felt like a first date. So, yeah, tell me where you're from. You know, or a bad first date.

[00:09:29] They did some confessionals while they were at dinner just as an aside. And I liked hearing more from Sam number 16. He was talking about growing up in Idaho and he was gay and his parents just like to sew in which he's really sad.

[00:09:45] And then he moved to Texas that I'm like, you know, that would've been my first thought. But you know, I don't know, there's Texas's big in diverse and then, and I think it's more, any more than I did in credit for, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:09:58] It feels slightly different to we, go to the city, you'll be fine. Yeah, I was ever just go, I like it. Yeah, so, uh, it's a whole town to be a good for everybody. I don't know if we've said it, but it's gotta be said.

[00:10:12] His beard is magnificent. Oh, it is. It is. Be used. It is. It is. So they're told that only two of them will be moving on. Phil had this great line, never retreat without a trick. I love that.

[00:10:25] And then they have this game where they have buttons that look like circle triangle and square. They have to choose in what order. They'll press these buttons. They're told one will turn green in which case the player gets to choose another

[00:10:38] to stay and then the other one goes home. One will turn gray where nothing happens or one will turn red, where it's instant elimination. Right. Because I thought that confused me because now that you read it out,

[00:10:51] I realized that if the green comes first, if you pick the green, then that's it. That's it. Right over. Or red too. Yeah. Or red too. Yeah. And it was an interesting thing, but I remember then they were in the confessional as they were talking about the others.

[00:11:08] And they're kind of talking themselves into being suspicious of the others and bring out their faults just so they could other them and when the time comes to be ruthless, they were able to found that kind of interesting. They're saying nice things about everyone.

[00:11:26] But I would say Phil the whole time has just been very honorable even there's saying like, you know, people at this point are just going to have to play for themselves. Yes. In a very understanding tone like those jerks or anything. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[00:11:43] I think you said all of us will protect ourselves to win. And I think that's absolutely that's the absolute right way to think about it because in the end, or like and because my was saying, I'm not sure I can trust this person.

[00:12:00] I might be kind of trusting myself. No. It's highlander. Well, the tagline only one. They can be only one. They can be only one. They can be only one. You don't remake. Please don't remake. What else, definitely you haven't said much.

[00:12:19] What do you have to say about this? It was kind of hard to watch that piece because I think the other two episodes that we've done on this series. We had four episodes or five episodes to really dive in and

[00:12:34] because there are so many players building up to this. They couldn't give everyone a contention, a spotlight on them. And so it was difficult to get to this point and realize, well, okay, we know just basically basic information on these three.

[00:12:51] But we've watched them this whole time kind of go to the forefront and be who they are, you know, be in the top three. So I just went today actually watching and learning a little bit more about the three of them because I was in the past.

[00:13:05] Yes, cool. And it will say that clean up very well. Yes, that's half of the video too. Yeah, they look great. They've been making the talk show rounds a little bit. I wasn't disappointed with the finale. I was disappointed that Phil decided to go into the final battle

[00:13:31] without any strategy whatsoever. Are you talking about the rush and bow already? Because I got more to say about the. Oh, okay. This one. Yeah. Okay. So so if I were Phil or Sam with these rules,

[00:13:45] I would want the other guy to press the button because that would give me I figure a better than two-third chance of staying in. Like if I'm Sam and Phil goes and presses the first button, I know if they hit green that I'm going to get picked.

[00:14:01] Because everybody is right. If they hit red, then Phil's out. And I mean, so that's two-thirds. If they hit gray, even then I still have a 50% chance because if they hit gray, then if I'm next, I have a 50% chance of red or green or if my next 50%.

[00:14:20] So that's what I would want. But my way for my volunteer to go first because you wanted to be in control. Before I knew the outcome, I was like, which woman I press and I'm like,

[00:14:29] I think circle because I just like that shape and I don't want to try to think too hard about it. And it turned out to be green. So if I had chance, I would say.

[00:14:36] But all the, my ends up going first, she chooses to triangle the shape of the killers. And it's gray. And so now it's between Sam and Phil. And now I'm thinking, alright, they both should know that whichever one of them pushes

[00:14:50] the button has a 50% chance of being illuminated. But whoever doesn't has a 100% chance of passing through because they're going to choose each other again. There's only green and red left, so whoever goes in has a chance of pressing red.

[00:15:06] But if they do, then it's the other one and may left. Or if they press green, they're going to pay the free. You're absolutely right. I did so good that out. At that point when Sam said, I'll go, I'm like, that was done because that's the right.

[00:15:23] But somebody had to go. Someone's thinking it's 50, 50 but I'm wrong. It was 50, 100. Yeah, whoever went the other person was guaranteed. So then, then, very. So Sam gets red and that was a $4.56 million mistake. That would take.

[00:15:46] And I was thinking at the time could this be rigged like did they give Sam red? Because they wanted it to be my end fill. But then I'm like, no, because if they were wanting to rig it to be my end fill,

[00:15:59] then they could have given my red since she went first. So I don't think it was rigged, I think. You know, I don't think at this point there's any point to rigging it. You know, because it's like that and care who wins.

[00:16:13] Because my one and like, and you know, no offense, but she's probably the least charismatic of the three. Oh, and you know, so. And but, but but, but so I don't think they did, but that's what I thought I'm like, oh, they could just make it any color.

[00:16:30] They could. But as I was thinking, I should want to rig it so that my end fill would be the two to play at the end. Then they could have just knocked my out right away since she was the first one to play. Yeah, right?

[00:16:42] And they didn't do that. So, so that's all I had to say about that one. But also, I have to bring this up. And Jonathan will back me up on this. I'm quite sure.

[00:16:52] Phil and Sam had no why it's kind of decided they wanted to go to the end together. Jonathan, how many times in Survivor does the person not take who they want to, they originally decide to take to the finals? Oh, look, it it's.

[00:17:12] In all the times, let me think, okay, so I'm not sure if I can back you up because I'm just looking back at all of them. But they're alliance, they never take the number one. They never take the number one. They never do absolutely right.

[00:17:26] So I can't say and I can't beat you're saying that if let's say Sam had got green, maybe he would have surprised us taking time. Right? Yeah. But that's the right one. This game has been full of surprises. Yeah.

[00:17:40] My, what are you just knowing the way that Sam and Phil conducted themselves through this whole thing and how they had, especially Sam had to stay in for people who weren't playing with honor according to them. I would be shocked. I know you're right.

[00:17:56] It's not a 100% chance, but I just saying I think he probably went. Is it like me? Is it likely? Yes. Is it 100%. No. Once you get the advantage of knowing that you were going to the end,

[00:18:13] a brain starts working a mile and minute about the possible things who can I beat? Is the question that normally gets raised. Now again, this is Squid Game and things have never, the challenges you don't know when they play rock paper scissors.

[00:18:32] I had, I was kind of surprised. I'm like, is it really going to be that simple? And then they talked about the key and the walk in everything and it made it a little bit more interesting. Yeah.

[00:18:45] I just think, yeah, I don't, if Sam going who can I beat, I think he's, he's not going to know but I would say if he had to guess he might think, I don't want to play against my because she's unpredictable and untrustworthy.

[00:18:58] So I don't think you're right. There's not 100% chance, but I'm just saying I would have been shocked if Phil didn't pick Sam or if Sam didn't pick Phil. But we don't get to find out because they didn't ever have to choose.

[00:19:10] Here's the thing though, unpredictability can be an asset to you in a game. Yeah. Yeah. My, I mean, she may just, Phil was a guy on this, you know, he's like, I don't have any strategies, so that's why I don't, I think you would have just picked.

[00:19:26] But on the on survivor, they had to change it to three going into the vinyl because because the best player was just always voted out. They didn't win the final challenge. How many best players never won the game? Yeah, never even got to give their case.

[00:19:45] They would just sort of like, you know, he's going to win with say, you're not going to the final. Right. With these three, I don't think it was clear, oh yeah, this is the person to take out.

[00:19:56] No, unless it was my, you know, I reckon my was the one that you didn't want to go against. Yeah, I think. And I would have like, if I were either to, uh, to the others, I would definitely chose

[00:20:11] in each other because I, because my was dangerous because she was ruthless and beneath the near of, and she was very sweet, but she was also ruthless. And I think that she was very, many people who was well with her emotional things and she had no, no problems.

[00:20:32] I remember like in the marbles, remember someone told the girl told story about the kidney and all of that. And then she's like, oh, really? Oh, yeah, I was the evening at that. I'm in total. What the thing is he isn't saying it.

[00:20:47] I have to defend my on this. Yeah. So Jita told the story about the kidney. Yeah. So do we think my should have just laid down and let Jita go? Oh, no, no, no, no, but that's not okay. Okay.

[00:21:00] Better, I, but I, I, I remember that I was in this game deserves a chance to Vaughan and I don't blame my for doing that. Oh, no, what's the blame for doing it? But I, but I, but I, there was just like, well, he is my story.

[00:21:16] Well, because everyone has one right. Exactly. And there was not a lot of, oh, that's terrible. Oh, no, she just went straight in my reading. The editing, but she just went straight in like, well, he is my story. And I think mine prompts you all. Yeah.

[00:21:29] The one that got me the most is when they asked her if she put the, uh, of that was on, uh, that was on, was it named Roland's desk? No. Oh, who's the different, oh, I don't remember.

[00:21:42] Well, that would be think, and this is my important thing done in the last hour. But the thing is my putting that on Roland's desk on Roland's desk was a brilliant move. Absolutely. It is short. If he played a great game. Do you play a fantastic game? Yeah.

[00:22:00] And this is exactly why he would get her out if you had the chance. Yes, she's like, Sam would pick my to get out and fill would pick my to get out of the game. Jonathan, I think she's a standard D S twice. Exactly. You think so?

[00:22:14] Like in telegames, plays the game ruthlessly when she needs to. Yeah. Yeah. And for herself at all times. Yeah. So then they get to the final game. And it's this really cool lit up squid game outline. And if you saw this series, you're like, oh,

[00:22:36] I don't want to give away what happens at the end. But clearly, they could not do that. Yeah. I'm a little bit sure. And no spoilers because I've forgotten and I'm doing the regular. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:22:48] I don't want to spoil it because we're doing podcast and we're, you know, catering to people who were watching it for the first time. But anyway, they all to say they couldn't do what they did in the show. So they did Rochembo and I was like, what?

[00:23:00] That's lame. It was so lame. I was so disappointed. See, I was glad. I mean, I thought they might have been some big version of it or something grand or something impressive. Like they did a giant battleship and everything all the way through and the

[00:23:21] producers spoke about it was scale, big scale, big scale. And then we just get down to this kind of put your hand behind your back low production thing. And then even then it was just a chance to randomly pick a key. Yeah.

[00:23:35] I mean, if you, if you play Rochembo with somebody several times in a row, you do start to get into the game. Yeah. You feel like you can, and she was. She kept winning. So that made it kind of interesting. Yeah.

[00:23:48] And also every time they'd pick a key and she'd get to go, I was like, please, no, no, no, no. And then and I also thought to myself, wow, what would it be like to be in this yourself and keep grabbing?

[00:23:58] It's like playing the lottery except you have a much better chance of winning. And then you get a rush and then you get a disappointment and you have to keep going through that over and over again. So that was sort of interesting but then I don't know.

[00:24:09] It felt like they could have figured out the way. How clever they've been throughout this whole thing. It felt like they could have come up with something better. But all the fun about it. I think it was clever if you think about this. Look at it this way.

[00:24:21] We've had all these big scale games because we needed big scale games with the large number of contestants coming down to the end with just two people left. Why make it extravagant and crazy when it can be simple? It doesn't have to be that way.

[00:24:39] But I don't think I just, I don't need to be big scale. Right. How they've made these psychological games. And when you play Rochambos several times in a row, it can be kind of a psychological game but we've all done it so much that

[00:24:57] it's just not that interesting to me. Kind of interesting but not nearly as interesting as any of the other games. No and I didn't feel attested either of them. In the end it just was a coin toss.

[00:25:11] I mean maybe my one a few more but then you go into the random key things and you could win one and pick the right key and then you've won. So what strategy? Sorry, go on definitely. Yeah, I mean it's kind of locked versus strategy.

[00:25:25] Like you have the strategy of playing rock paper scissors and then you have the lock of picking the right key. I mean it kind of mix two different things together. And I was okay with it because I felt like you know what they've been through enough.

[00:25:41] Oh yeah, I was okay with it. I thought it was cool and then just being in. And which one wants the money in most? Or what it splitted among people? I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that.

[00:25:50] Make this interesting but I did gas when she won because it seemed to come out nowhere and to be honest when they were going through it, I can't really check my phone. I'm just like you know something that someone will eventually win this but there's no

[00:26:06] moment and they kind of didn't even edit the rock paper scissors thing that well when they were doing it behind the back. I mean the fun of this looking you both in the eye and going one, two, three. Yeah, I don't know what that was about.

[00:26:19] That was what we wanted to make it so that somebody who did the timing was the right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they still should have just done it anyway and really clear one, two, three or something. I don't know.

[00:26:31] But I thought the her strategy was a little bit of a stretch of like men always choose rock and so I did a little good, of course. And most people choose rock first and if they can both psychology today and the world rock paper scissors association.

[00:26:51] Because the idea that some moves are favored. They both report that rock is played roughly 35.4% of the time per round. Paper about 35% and scissors is played 29.6% of the time. Interesting. Alright, we're going to play right now already. Yeah. What all got three?

[00:27:11] It's hard on zoom but we'll give you our best ready. Ready go one two three. What'd you play? Paper. Okay, me and Daphne beat John Johnson. So it's me Daphne. Ready one two three. Yes! I went 4.5 million. You know what?

[00:27:31] Me and Jason be happy that you can beat me because most people can't beat me and most things. I'm in Charlie. I'm incredibly competitive and I'm quite hard. That's a surprise me at all. And I won. So would you consider going on survive with Daphne?

[00:27:51] No, because I don't like snakes. Okay. That's all. I mean, they said there's a season two and they gave you our role to can you imagine how busy that that that's a website is right now. Let's all sign up. Come on. Yeah. Oh, can you make it?

[00:28:10] I really can't. I'm going to do it. I'll get it. I don't know what to do. Let's just do it. Let's just sign up. Yeah. What the hell would never get on? We'll put the money if we win. Right? Yes. Kind of. Well, yeah. 50 to me.

[00:28:24] I'll spit the other two with me. I was five grand each just. I was actually talking about this with one of our friends earlier about who we thought out of our podcasting group should try to go on it and Randy, we think Randy should go on.

[00:28:47] Randy's got the fill vibe. He does. Super. Yeah. But I, well, I just think that like I've said this before on the podcast, but I think the producers were probably disappointed that they a lot of people ended up trying to keep it fair and nice.

[00:29:08] And I think that they will try to learn from what happened and just engineer it so that there's more one. Because they gave the game. Didn't they? Yeah. Well, I like that. That's one of the reasons why I wanted to. I thought that was really interesting. Yeah.

[00:29:21] Because a lot of times I would get really irritated with survivor because I felt just like there was too much ridiculousness when it came to 30. Yeah, it just felt awful. This I felt like I could root for everyone. But yeah, let's see.

[00:29:38] Let's just see who makes it to the end and it's going to be okay. In those cases all I do is root against the villain all the time. Yeah. Yeah. So sometimes I shouldn't be. My yeah, absolutely. My strad, even in this, even in the squid game.

[00:29:54] So you said my said actually what she said is men tend to choose rock or scissors. Yeah. And then she chose paper and I'm like well if you think they might choose scissors then you should choose rock because if they choose rock it's a tie. Yeah.

[00:30:09] If they choose scissors then you win. Yeah. If you think they're going to choose rock or scissors don't choose paper. But anyway, she won so she gets out of the mean. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. But it's in the end it just felt everything was a coin flip.

[00:30:25] You know, it is mostly random. A pop from the red light green light where there was some skill and effort involved. Everything else was down to luck. I mean to me the more interesting games were the in-between games where they could vote

[00:30:45] someone not vote test out or the top three votes or the gift thing. You know, and then they had to try to pick who did it. Those were more interesting.

[00:30:53] Well some of those two were chants like who's going to answer the phone or who's going to go a volunteer to go up to do the jack in the box. Yeah. And the jack in the box was luck. Yeah.

[00:31:04] But I thought the phone one was the most interesting test because the phone just rang and someone had to and there was no other clue. Someone had to decide to do it and they knew the risk and um and there was you know.

[00:31:22] And when 87 just because he hated what's the guy's name? Kaki Guy. Brighton friend. Brighton. He chants to get rid of that. Yeah. Yeah. So they're glad they caught that on video when they were absolutely arguing with each other. Actually Jason that was one 98. One 98. Thanks.

[00:31:45] So then um you know a bunch of them happily going through their daily lives and uh that was cool and it's things that they'd talked about in their confessionals and like the scoop out everything. And I thought wow this is really neat.

[00:32:00] I like it but it's very unlike the Squid Games main series because of that series you don't go home and when they do go home for one episode early on it's a miserable existence so

[00:32:10] this was way different but it was it was a good feeling for me I'd like seeing them in the environment they talked about and it was a little silly would may was looking at her ATM

[00:32:18] balance and it was .56 million in there because I'm like don't you have to pay taxes like yeah. The potato ATM which I know maybe homesick but new york to be honest. But she looked good like they all look good. Yeah.

[00:32:34] It was great to see them in a more natural environment versus being in the tracksuits and run down and I mean and it was always shot beautifully that um yeah. But others were bright and yeah. Happy as opposed to a very very and depressing.

[00:32:55] The whole production for the whole thing was just it was good but I must say in the end when my one I didn't feel much. I didn't feel triumptious or satisfied or disappointed.

[00:33:09] I was sad about just like yeah well there it is you know and I felt they could have just done the whole thing given everyone a coin and then flipped it all the way to just one but it was an

[00:33:20] enjoyable thing to go through but I think the the last game felt flat there was an opportunity to do something of all the games. I think they they chose the smallest game. I still think they should have ended with something spectacular rather than something small.

[00:33:44] Even though you say like a lot of it was chance throughout the series. I just found it fascinating like not them not knowing what is going on. That was really tough situations where like they'd have to

[00:34:00] how they feel it's going to yeah like the umbrella would screw of that. I mean I was happy. Definitely what's a code again but the you always pronounce it so well. Yeah I'm gonna yeah that was school based you know you had to

[00:34:16] yeah you had to get through that but I didn't know it just I was hoping for a bit more because they've done so well all the way through. Some of the marbles too were still. Do you think they were running low on money?

[00:34:32] I just I just thought they were too clever. I thought they go I know what we'll do and we'll speak about later Jason right the yeah yeah one of the things they said with everything being so good we thought to be a great idea to bring it

[00:34:48] down to something small and you know intimate and I'm like I think that's okay. I think it's okay but I didn't love it. I was like I'm not white to see what they come up with and I'm like oh well okay yeah that'll do

[00:35:06] but I mean it's totally subjective like I'm not seeing you're wrong for like your definitely. Yes it's subjective. It is I didn't know or I had a feeling when Phil said well I'm not

[00:35:17] I don't really have a strategy for this game. I thought he was toast then yeah like no you're you've got to try it's just random. Yeah you can over you can screws off over I mean I don't know

[00:35:30] I so one more note I had just wanted to mention that we talked a lot about what in the Dalgona game the first people in line who had to choose a shape for all of their people should have

[00:35:45] done and I said I would insist on doing Rochembo and whoever lost that had to be the other. But I saw Spencer the guy who kept gagging he said that the producers told them you can't do that

[00:36:01] you can't play a game of chance to choose the shape you have to work it out so I should have known like yeah they make sense I want to keep it interesting and have them how good yeah but

[00:36:11] then how did they get away with the attempted running race I guess that's true. Yeah I don't know I guess yeah maybe it was change because I didn't actually do it in the end I tried and failed on

[00:36:22] so maybe they just let that slip. I think as a twist and next time they should either just have all the tins with all the shapes in them and not tell them which one is

[00:36:34] good one or have them pick the shapes and then say surprise you picked the umbrella you get a circle because I mean how is that any that's not any different than some of the other twist they've had.

[00:36:50] No but it was one of the best parts of the series though those the negotiations I thought that was one of the best. Yeah they got to do they got a surprise us and I think it would be interesting to have them

[00:37:03] line up and have to pick the shapes and then play a whole different game where they don't be like yeah I don't know what it would be yeah they're gonna do it differently because I can't just

[00:37:15] like you know as well definitely from survivor people know certain games and how to remember to the page yeah they do they anticipate what's coming and that's what I mean survivor went through it it's not boring years but the anticipation years where people had figured things out

[00:37:33] and then they came back with redemption island and then hidden the community i don't immunity idols and that kind of reintegrated this because it was a couple of series where you get

[00:37:44] to a certain point and the the alliances was so fixed and big you just spent the next five episodes eliminating them in the minority and that was so boring yeah incredibly boring sometimes though

[00:38:00] they would twist it up I think my cases which is Boston Robbs first time out they did something a little bit different and there was a twist and it ended up being fun again but you can't make

[00:38:14] it too predictable and because there are so many children's games so much in an article mentioned Simon says is another one now you can't play that with 456 but yeah in this squid games podcast this week when we

[00:38:33] talked about the man with the umbrella I was because they in that episode started naming off a bunch of Korean children's games and I was thinking oh what a game's I played like four square

[00:38:45] tether wall freeze tag dodgeball I could see all of those squid game versions where you get hit with the dodgeball and bang you know yeah exact but branding's we used to call it let's go with

[00:38:59] it with a we'd use a tennis ball and and rather and there was no wall you're just running around the playground and with a tennis ball throwing at each other and you could use your knuckles to

[00:39:11] defend yourself against it so you couldn't catch anything and then some other occasion yell you know free shot knuckles only and you could stand there in the guy with the ball could everyone

[00:39:21] had to stand on this spot and then throw that to you and you could defend yourself with your hands but it was a that was a ball to move in that can I never played that with it I think it was peculiar

[00:39:31] Australian yeah but like I'm hoping next season on squid game the challenge they bring in some of those American you know you want to have a bigger chance you know I think they need to keep

[00:39:46] red light green light and and dowgana those two I think I want to see every season to see how people handle those two games and then the others they can bring in different ones but I think

[00:39:58] I think to keep the look and feel of the show I think those two need to happen each season yeah they can switch up when they do tellgana to a little bit later I think if they wanted to

[00:40:10] kind of throw people off and how you choose the thing I think yeah yeah they could do a version of red light green light were the floors all oiled up. If they do red light green light I have a suggestion

[00:40:26] on skates. Now let's figure out how to make it so that the people are not there freezing to death for seven hours. It's not just that you're there for seven hours freezing you can't go to the

[00:40:42] bathroom you can't get a drink of water like it was really burning and they really need to store that out like that I hope they learn from this experience to make it better next time

[00:40:56] so that people don't go through all of that because I've read a few articles and it was rough on people and I know I couldn't go through that like I couldn't there's no way there's no way but I'm

[00:41:11] happy to watch any of my friends. No one can open to it as soon as I saw too that they were making people stand in their positions for a long time. I would immediately decide I'm going to try to

[00:41:27] be comfortable when I'm not going to crouch down. Yeah I was sick my arm being on one leg or something so all right let's get into if you didn't know I think everybody who watched it knows because they

[00:41:40] sent you to it directly after but they did a making squid game the challenge 30 minutes special and it was really it was really cool I thought to be honest. Yeah so we'll go through a little just

[00:41:52] in order they said the goal was for it to be immersive of course and that no one leaves the facility until they're eliminated they wanted full immersion they wanted to keep the narrative

[00:42:02] threads running and not be like okay we're done filming you can go home and I'm like yeah that's a lot of reality series are like that survivor right and yeah big brother where they're all stuck

[00:42:13] together you know it makes it more interesting I'm just saying yeah it keeps them in the game when you don't get a break when you don't get a mental break game it just makes things that even

[00:42:26] a little bit more crazy. No blocks. No blocks. Yeah no windows no watches no phones but I did among the interviews I saw they did say that they all went to a hotel after a red light green light

[00:42:42] and then all went in the next day to the roof of the door with the door yeah. They weren't allowed to talk to each other either before red light green light they were all at a

[00:42:54] hotel and even Stephen with his friend Chase or Stephen's knuck into the other's room and they almost got kicked off the show for that and they're like no they know each other from before this

[00:43:06] you know whatever they say to each other is not going to be you know they're not getting to know anyone they already know each other yeah but according to Stephen there were two other contestants

[00:43:17] who hooked up and they got kicked off. So that was the first like non game in the whole of the things to do I mean you're a chance to win a quarter of the whole really

[00:43:29] you know. Yeah so what's worth it? So the producers said they wanted basically to create drama you know they created games to play on the tensions between contestants and their rival reason and enhance the conflict and have villains and heroes and basically you know create

[00:43:49] situations where people would have to do things that would inevitably piss others off like forcing everyone in line to pick the umbrella or you know things like that have three people to eliminate and I thought that's what made it especially heartening when the players found ways

[00:44:03] around that and to work in glass bridge except actually. She's the themselves in the dice role game you know they figured out that the powers that be were trying to get them to work against each other

[00:44:14] and decided to fuck that we're not going to bite from those part and I think yeah like I said the producers will learn from that and figure out better ways but it was interesting. Well even in the dice

[00:44:25] I mean they decided let's each nominate ourselves and roll the dice and do it the first time. But the funniest I still think the funniest was TJ on the on the country. It's still like an editing of all the speeches that I could just like you know

[00:44:47] on the pages of Norm de Witt. You know we will win and then he wants us. He goes from the left to just goes. It's like okay are you a torpedo it's like he was a torpedo. That's good to be right there

[00:45:04] after he spent so good in warship. Today fans are pissed at it that's why they're in it. Oh sorry So it was a tough time. They talked about each of the he was just so full of himself that it was perfect

[00:45:19] in my opinion but then you see him at the end of the last episode teaching little kids basketball and it's like oh what a good guy you know. Yeah but then he just goes he puts it up and he just

[00:45:32] no looks away to the camera as it's going in you know performing an all the front of these kids another thing. Yeah I thought he was going to play one on one against one of the kids.

[00:45:47] So they went through each of the games and I just made a few notes about the things I thought was for particular interesting. So for Redlight Greenlight that the doll was 3D printed which

[00:45:56] they also did for the masks the triangle circle square mask to just try that was the way to make it look the most like squid games that they actually did use motion tracking software to detect

[00:46:09] people's movement but then it said they could even detect small movements but it sounded like they hadn't quite decided ahead of time what level of movement would count because they said that you could detect small movements because it might come to that and they had a judicators watching

[00:46:23] and deciding so I think that meant that they were like well we need to get about half the people out so we'll decide as we're going how many people are moving yeah and whether a light wobble counts

[00:46:35] but if most of them are going through about half way and then the slight wobbles are going to start to count I think yes exactly and they did a of course a lot of tests to which I was glad

[00:46:47] to see to try to you know make sure it would work and keep it as fair as they could. Did you write down the definitions they came up with to name each of the movements do you have that

[00:46:59] not gonna be that sorry I don't know what you mean well when they were looking at the thing okay we decided we had three proper movements and you know a momentum thing a an actual fall

[00:47:15] and then the and then someone that's light there was a well know what while they're waiting they just kind of looked around and they had a turn for each one of those which I haven't

[00:47:26] done anyway so they had it all categorized to try to categories that yeah Jason I I don't really want to go on the show but I'd like to test the games I think nine

[00:47:37] five I'll test the games and they talked about how is particularly great story-wise to have tray mother and son and tray cross before his mom and she waiting to see if she'd make it

[00:47:55] and then she made it within the last few minutes now Jonathan you said you heard that maybe they extended it for her but they they didn't say that but I think that doesn't mean it's it didn't

[00:48:06] happen I think something like that they wouldn't want to put in a show like this I don't think they would say that they did that I think they would come out and in the documentary and say yeah

[00:48:16] we thought it was a way we decided to give a little extra time just for laying out to get a cross now they're never going to stay that because people are not on one of the

[00:48:27] one at my point no no of course not and then they also didn't realize people would stop in hard to hold positions that when girl crawled the whole way they were like what do you do

[00:48:39] but they told them I had a time that it wasn't only going to be like five minutes of the most right it turned into forty five minutes for the poor girl that was crouching

[00:48:50] and that's yeah yeah I saw it into be with the with the with the guy that won red light green light oh one oh seven yeah what kind of circuit you're so good

[00:49:02] and that's it don't question me on there is six months from nagging about it now it's here amazing you do have the the photographic memory well done there it is on display listeners

[00:49:18] and uh and he was saying at first he you know had a system but then he noticed a guy in front of him that his his stance was basically stand up straight beat next to each other in these hands in

[00:49:32] pockets and that was the way that became his way he adapted to that so he sprinted and then got into that position straight away because it was really the only and that there's two

[00:49:43] people who are saying people were in such weird positions like and they weren't like yeah why would you get yourself into this position but I guess when the time starts to run out you're rushing you're trying to squeeze that extra split second before it comes around

[00:49:58] then you get caught yeah I mean maybe you know I've often thought how that'd be so easy I can do it and then I try it and then I realize oh wait it's not as easy as it looks but to me because

[00:50:08] it's a set of amount of time that you can move I feel like I would just move and give myself one second to get in that position and that's it but that's what I keep coming trying to

[00:50:19] figure out so it was a they did the whole the same song same length yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I feel like you could have thought yeah because otherwise it'd be I thought they kind of varied

[00:50:32] the time then it wasn't right yeah because then I would think I would the first move I'd stand they counted my head oh that's six seconds and then as you said Jason run for far I've been stopped

[00:50:44] or just listen to the phrase yeah that's right yeah in some of the footage that they showed of people running at some point a lot of them started running with hands in their pockets

[00:50:55] so maybe they picked it up from that guy I know there'd be free to do like cartwheel it's a body would do but you always said a lot of people had practiced like doggano but then

[00:51:10] that means that a lot of people didn't yeah you know that kind of coming up right you know like a lot of people probably practice tug-of-war too yeah so and they had their

[00:51:25] glass bridge strategy ready to roll and have that in his pocket but um so they mentioned that they had these squibs ink packs like you see in the movies when people get shot and explode

[00:51:37] and they wanted to make sure it would look good and it would come through the shirt and look great and so they had to they realized take out the start starch in the t-shirts by soaking

[00:51:46] them in vinegar for 24 hours and they said they used black ink as a nod to squibs and I thought they should have used red like use blood let me get look like blood I think in the end it's

[00:51:59] triggering and they're just yeah just it would open up something to someone and yeah agree so it was they want this to appeal to people who had never watched the actual show

[00:52:16] they needed to appeal to more than just those who are watching the series just people who like reality competition shows in general they want that this to appeal to them as well but I still

[00:52:30] liked him I thought it should have been for that but it's still I still liked it because it gave them all a bit of a shock you know yes you know even if they knew it was coming when it came

[00:52:42] then they did the dramatic death which I love and I hope to God that that was spontaneous because it's a better thing that people just started doing it on their own laying down the guards they mentioned you know the red jumpsuit of guys that they worked with the

[00:52:59] choreographer to make sure all their movements were in unison and that and that was cool the sets and environments they said they wanted to talk to the original South Korean designers it

[00:53:09] was clear to me whether they did but that's what I found weird because I'm like oh we couldn't work it out and you know we had to 3d printed together guys I'm like why don't you just call them up

[00:53:19] and ask them where they got there from so it's really wasn't full cooperation between the series and the real series and I thought because Squid Game was on Netflix and Netflix developed the series that there would be some sort of a heastiveness or you know cooperation between

[00:53:39] the two but it doesn't sound like it really was. That's because the people who made Squid Game are like this is bad don't do it you're saying exactly and then what's like things will be the idea guys but they had to have bathroom tiles customs made and

[00:53:59] just to get the same color they just went all out because beds custom made and mattresses hands sewn and they had a great time lapse of making this Esheresque staircase set I recommend watching

[00:54:13] just for that yeah so then the Dalgona they showed like the camera man getting right down in front of someone scratching that Dalgona cookie and I'm like man that would pretty distracting but then

[00:54:27] it was interesting yeah that they had to really test to make sure the biscuits worked out that they could make hundreds of identical ones to be fair they said they were brittle

[00:54:38] too brittle early on so and somebody even break and transit so they had to like tweet the recipe 19 times until they finally got it where they wanted so yeah you don't think about that kind of stuff

[00:54:48] and isn't the end it did seem that a lot of ethic was made to try to make it fail yeah yeah I would hope so yeah you don't want to like open your tin and it's already broken

[00:55:01] and then you're out then for worships the thing that I thought was most interesting to me about this part about worships is that they wanted to be a teen game just like tug of war right

[00:55:15] to fill on the same scale as tug of war that that makes sense and also they said big characters that came out for the rest of the series came out of warships like TJ and Gamer Girl right yeah

[00:55:30] that that was interesting to think about too well be and they didn't expect it to be so emotional both be and TJ killed killed warships like they just slated yeah yeah try and fit yeah that was amazing

[00:55:48] then with marbles like just watching the making of really just brought to the for how much incredible detail there is in that part oh that set was amazing wasn't that that was

[00:56:01] like straight in the series and straight from Seoul it really felt like it was real place and you know it's almost like just yeah sometimes when you go to those just these things and it's set

[00:56:14] like that sometimes you get this split second moment of feeling you're there like Harry Potter World at the universe oh yeah so yeah you kind of start to feel a bit cold even though you're in

[00:56:25] the California sunshine when you're in the village and there's now on everything it just looks so awesome and you really it really feels like you're there so and they said that the first time

[00:56:35] when they walked down of the red light green light set the look of wonder and of on everyone's faces they knew they got it right you know yeah I was trying to think of another experience I've

[00:56:48] had like kids Harry Potter world in Universal Studios is a great example it's just so cool I'm not even that big a Harry Potter fan but I loved it but the other one that came to mind is if you go

[00:56:58] to Disneyland or Disney World and go to the Star Wars Galaxy Z. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I went to the Falcon there before it was um it like in the first year it wasn't really kind of

[00:57:09] low into it's kind of like better I'd love it cool yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah like well even though it's um the sequel so they talked about the the glass bridge which is the reason main reason why I

[00:57:26] think even if they had added a couple seconds for Leanne in the red light green light that they wouldn't put it in the stocky memory because the big thing they did not put in the stocky

[00:57:36] memory that we know is that they used stuntmen yeah they didn't even mention that so they don't want to take away the magic too much I guess well it looks scary I mean just the way that it was shot

[00:57:47] of them just disappearing into the abyss yeah because it was so dark well they they they they they they they they they they they said the three the three the several teams all work so well together

[00:58:01] the set builder the set decorator and the lighting guide managed to make it look they were really high up they managed to light out and use a you know blacks to to make it seem like it was just an endless

[00:58:13] abyss they could have just anything yeah yeah was the the reflectiveness of the plastic trap doors that they're on reflected the lights above them and so it looked like it was a long way

[00:58:27] up in the reflection because the lights would be fun to play it might be great fun to go I mean that so this is going to start a squid game sections well where you can play a play all the

[00:58:39] games so they said first off that they use that teddy grabber to get where they had to get their number in line because in the show they were just had those same bids on these mannequins but the

[00:58:55] players didn't know what the numbers represented but now the players in the actual in the reality show know what the numbers mean so they had to sort of have them pick up random teddy bear

[00:59:05] and then reveal what number they got but what I didn't realize is that the teddy grabber was sort of a shout out to when gehaun gets a prize for his daughter in the show I didn't click

[00:59:17] the net was kind of cool um and then the producer about the glass bridge game said it was really interesting how the players organized themselves once they got onto that bridge they were quite

[00:59:28] a fair bunch actually and the other producer says I thought people would be slightly more individualistic and slightly more selfish and I'm like I think he means he hoped to that yeah. Yeah because it's interesting the guy that suggested it he was safe almost wasn't he?

[00:59:47] He was like number four safer than yeah he was like because I think it's like the first seven very little chance of going through that one. That's why it was so nervous for try being number three.

[01:00:02] Yeah yeah yeah how on you he was gone you know but it but he shouldn't have been a bank on. Let's not re-act well yeah we're actually gonna get to that in the little

[01:00:12] place I want to play a little bit of Ashley's in post so it's kind of cool you but well so we'll talk about a little more but they thought about for the glass bridge game using sugar

[01:00:20] glass but realized that was still too dangerous so they went for trap doors and that needed meant that it needed to be bigger than on the original squid game show so that the bridge was even

[01:00:30] bigger and longer and yeah I didn't say anything about this stuntman um and then for the they didn't really say anything all that interesting I didn't think about the circle of trust or

[01:00:45] the dinner thing but then the end game they said they had to figure out an end game and as I said if you've seen the original squid game you just know they can't do it the what they did on that so

[01:00:58] if you watch the final episode you'll know what I mean by that but um they said we knew this would change someone's life immeasurably like whoever won this last challenge so there was something quite

[01:01:09] fun and funny about it being decided by something rather simple and I'm like hmm what's this okay and then and then at the end they just had some of the people who worked on it just expressing

[01:01:25] pride that they achieved this look in the submersive world true to the world of squid games but also just making great show and it of itself where you connect to the contestants and I agree I think

[01:01:36] overall it was it was pretty great I very much enjoyed it. I loved it I really enjoyed it it's a first show I've seen in ages where I wanted to binge the whole thing in the very first night.

[01:01:49] Made myself I loved everything was done so well for the the sets the cost zooming and that the the whole people were interesting yeah and yeah there was cast really real they're great characters

[01:02:03] there was great tension the only thing for me was the the last game was fine but I was hoping for something grander but that's as we said it's personal taste but I can't wait if they do it

[01:02:16] other season I'd watch it in season tomorrow but was I mean to hopefully I'll just be in a year and the best thing is reignited my my desire to watch the original series so i'm by back into watching

[01:02:30] that and enjoying the total cost of course. Nice well you know like I'll go and see what it takes to sign up and and I might sign up and I'm sure there's like low chance of getting

[01:02:43] just to go on whatever but we don't got all of that right but I'm thinking the only thing that I get butterflies is I know on those reality shows you might end up being the villain or the idiot

[01:02:56] or the guy who says I think that's fucked up and I'm like yeah it's myself being that god one thing I will not do is reveal that I wet my bed as a kid. You're not gonna say that I would never

[01:03:08] make a list of things not to say first of all because it didn't happen of course. Never. I just came out of the womb and went straight to the toilet. All right it's gonna some news so as we already

[01:03:23] mentioned they said there's a season two and let's look up the in case people want to know how to get cast what's the website it was. I wrote it down. Squidgamecosting.com. Squidgamecasting.com so

[01:03:40] maybe one of the listeners will end up on the show you know when they did their right with all the past yeah when they did the ride with Norman Rita show we announced it Karen and I on the

[01:03:52] walking dead cast and then one of our listeners ended up being the first people that he visited in the first season because they like went and investigated another being on the show. That was

[01:04:05] kind of cool they have this like electric motorcycle shop. All right so I'm I'm going to enter as well yes because it's like you know go to a little chance of winning the money we've got to even

[01:04:17] small a chance of getting on the show. But maybe I know if I get on that will help you win. Yeah and if I get on in you win not $5,000 so exactly. Be sure to be compelling. Yes. Make sure that what

[01:04:31] you write is compelling that is very important. Oh Jonathan what have any trouble yeah I promise to say I promised to be evil. That's right say that but yeah in your audition video so um ETO online

[01:04:47] interviewed Ashley about what she did on the glass bridge it's audio so I'm just going to play the part that has to do it out it's almost three minutes but it has me rethinking like I had said

[01:04:58] oh maybe they edited it so that she actually didn't do the thing that it made it look like she did but if you listen to this I don't know you guys be the judge here we go. Okay Ashley let's talk about

[01:05:09] the glass bridge. There's a lot of thoughts about you not overtaking trick. What how do you feel currently about that decision? I mean obviously it got you basically to the end of the game so yeah um

[01:05:23] yeah I mean I'm going to pause a couple of times it didn't get her to the end of the game she would have had to make the same 50% jump whether she sacrificed tray first or yeah so that's not true. Yeah so

[01:05:37] loyalty. I stand by that like I was at number five there's only one prize and I did what was best for me because I was there for me and that's just what it was. Just a little bit of a person

[01:05:52] she's not going to jump up I guess not. Mandy's are welcome to overtake you know there were a lot of things that happened that of course the audience can see right like Netflix is trying

[01:06:04] to fit everything into one hour right so people didn't get to see like try to take three jumps and go rogue and you know when he took his first initial three jumps in my head I said I'm not you know I'm

[01:06:16] not doing that I'm not over jumping him. Mandy's are welcome to overtake. I don't mean to call shots for anyone but I think it's fair if someone else steps up. You talk it you know a lot of people on the bridge

[01:06:33] had a lot to say right but guess what those people that had a lot to say they had higher numbers and they were sitting pretty where they were but guess what they didn't step up you didn't see them coming

[01:06:42] over jump I think the only one that volunteered was my girl Mary on so anybody that had anything to say a crazy opinion on me they can you know thank you for their time too. But she was next in line

[01:06:54] she was next it was her it was her turn yeah you could you come to what the people's bad right actually never take you but no one else did either so was he just like going he just went for it.

[01:07:06] Yes he got up there you know he was upset because he got in such a low number and I remember he turned around to the bridge and looked at everybody and was like when my mom have gotten a low number and then

[01:07:17] jump and then he turned around and said something else and then jump and everybody on the bridge I'm not sure you know I don't think they shown it but everybody on the bridge was like whoa what are you doing

[01:07:27] at that point I'm not doing whatever you know you guys agreed to and that was another thing it was like show me in the video in that scene where they were coming up with these rules where I agreed to anything I didn't say

[01:07:39] I didn't agree to nothing. Do we agree to that? Yes every man for themselves up here because you guys are not up here with number five. I'll sit in pretty my back there sitting pretty in 20. Good night

[01:07:54] team player okay team player you back here in 20 and went and you know and I don't even think you all seen this at one point they were requesting you know they were asking oh my would you come up

[01:08:05] here and over jump and it was hard time to shine and then she like it was like oh no it's okay I'll stay back here when it was like her time to step up she didn't step up you know so I got the he

[01:08:16] but you know the big dogs get to heat and I can't you know I can take the heat. She said she didn't agree but once Zach tray was sacrificed then she did start playing by the rules and she had to make

[01:08:28] that same 50% chance whether she sacrificed tray first or not she would have had to do it if she over took tray and saved him or if she threw him to the wolves and then took her chance and if she wanted

[01:08:39] to play her rules of your in front then she needed to just keep going you know right and and but so it wasn't until she was in front that she was like oh maybe this is the idea after tray was already

[01:08:52] sacrificed and that rule totally advantage to over everyone else yeah so but I think she does still feel like she yeah she was just like she knew she was wrong but she's just trying to

[01:09:08] make an excuse and just didn't want to take the jump and and tray very silly of him sacrificed himself for you for doing something was right but in the end there's also the countdown that was happening

[01:09:26] so she was saying the countdown's happening I'm not going to do anything and it's up to you guys and yeah yeah I mean I already kind of said it but if she had passed by a tray and made her

[01:09:42] jump that would give her a 50% chance of staying in or if she did what she did which was refused to pass tray allow him to sacrifice himself and then do her jump she still had that same 50% chance

[01:09:52] but the only difference is she sacrificed another person first so that's why I don't like what she did that I don't think she gets that or doesn't want to mint it to herself or whatever

[01:10:01] I do think too as we've talked about actually and the other players were under extreme derests with black of sleep and black of food I mean it's survivor really inside it's survivor inside they gave them enough food to sustain them but it wasn't

[01:10:21] what a lot of them were you still I'm sure no I and I get very angry very quickly yeah and it's easy for me to sit at home and have time to think about the statistics and

[01:10:35] logic of it and be judgmental but yeah if you're right there in the moment and you're freaking out then yeah you're right yeah I'm not right if I don't have a proper coffee that's sick of the

[01:10:45] my whole day well that's just it and but everybody else got it I'll say that I don't but her I don't think that caffeine was provided no yeah yeah that's yeah yeah that's everyone else did the right thing except for her

[01:11:03] right right that doesn't excuse her making a choice for herself now it did come across as being a bit in the context of get up the game she has every right

[01:11:14] like every right to do it but what I found it it extraordinary she's kept like she could just say and she did in that she says look I just thought it was best for me not to jump you know everyone

[01:11:27] else made this arrangement and and I'll go a lot more than as long as it advantages me but as soon as it does and I'm not gonna go along with it I'm gonna try to make that guy jump more

[01:11:38] in front of me or someone else to do yeah and but it was I bet at this don't think she understood how bad it looked on her yeah and it just doesn't quite make sense because as I said

[01:11:50] you're taking the 50% chance either way the only difference is if you wait and make someone else die first then you sacrifice them but you're still it didn't change your own no it didn't you know but I thought that she was going to help her

[01:12:03] is also maybe trying to force the clock so people behind her would choose to that just go forward yeah I mean that would be really messed up it would be but it's a strategy like

[01:12:17] I'm thinking the um can I spoil this because I think in the in the series that happened and just like I'm like oh you know and then it forced I forgot yeah forced okay maybe that's what

[01:12:29] I was doing yeah and uh I think too I read it's not in the new sauce say now but there was an article where yeah people up front maybe there was a worry that they would wait out the clock a little bit

[01:12:43] to screw over the people in the back or something like that I don't know and there was more dynamics going on than we saw but it shows that it's an interesting show and an interesting game you know

[01:12:53] so let's move on to uh the next piece which is the sky dillin who in the marble game with Aurora wanted to play a game of skill and she wanted to play a game of chance they were at

[01:13:05] impasse and it ended up getting eliminated he posted a TikTok with his side of the story and I'm just gonna lay out the beats of what he said he said he offered to play a throwing game that she could pick

[01:13:17] right off the bat we just have to be a throwing game that involved all the marbles she said no she wanted to play a game of chance or luck he said he didn't want to make it that far and

[01:13:27] then go home because of chance and that's pretty much what we saw I would say he said when he told her not to raise her voice to him don't raise your voice to me it was in response to something

[01:13:38] that didn't make the final cut so I could believe that you know it may look worse than actually what we saw yeah um he said he offered to go left handed his off hand which we did see

[01:13:51] he said she that was in the show he he said he would use his off hand um he said she offered to play rock paper scissors but the rules clearly stated you had to use all the marbles and I'm like well

[01:14:02] I don't think they said you had to use all the marbles but yeah to use the marbles yeah because the guy did it with one each one yeah what they said at when there was like two minutes left on the

[01:14:13] clock she gave in and said okay we'll play a throwing game and what they agreed to she put a jar down and said the first to throw two marbles into the jar wins and she let which we didn't

[01:14:25] here I don't think the two marbles thing and let him go first and the time ran out when they had only gotten one in each and he said that a due to caters looked at the video to see

[01:14:39] what they'd said to each other and we how they played and she as we saw she said she she should have won because she got one in first before him but he said no because they agreed to two marbles

[01:14:52] and he says in this TikTok video I'm not going to just let for a half million dollars slip away because you think you won even though it was a tie but I'm like well he he lost no matter what

[01:15:03] it's same thing I said before the podcast so he's not even arguing to stay in he knows he's out and he's just saying you should be out too which I think is I still think a shitty he's they

[01:15:13] waited 30 to 40 minutes and then the adjudicators came out and explained to them that they're both eliminated because they agreed to this game and didn't say anything about a tiebreaker so

[01:15:24] maybe it didn't matter what they had decided that they were going to be eliminated anyway but I still think a shitty of him to argue that hey if I can't be in it neither can you that is being I will

[01:15:35] I will agree with you I'm not that is incredibly mean but I will I will throw my hand at the ring and disagree because it was a tie and if it was if it was in the rules of like a penalty shoot out

[01:15:48] in in the first one it doesn't matter who goes first you both need to go an equal amount of times for a result to happen so if she went if he went first and had four attempts and she had three attempts

[01:16:04] and they passed it out the same amount yeah then she has a case but I thought if they both tie there was no there was a no it doesn't matter who went first it was a tie right and then then

[01:16:17] then what do you do he's just giving up then like he is but what I'm saying is he had no chance so you're saying you're saying but she had maybe a slight argument that because we both had the

[01:16:33] same amount of throws and he went first and yet she was the first one to get it in then I can argue that I got it so you're saying that if you knew you lost there was no chance

[01:16:42] you could stay in that you would still argue for her also to get out. I would try to argue I would just assume that we both lose and then and then I don't see how I sat in

[01:16:56] think she if we're both losing I don't see any reason for her to just go in. I don't think so you all right we're a point five million away from somebody just because you don't think well

[01:17:08] because I I because I would feel that I have every I still have every right to go forward as she does so we needed to I think they both I guess but there's your right choice now the

[01:17:20] only choices you're both out or she goes through but then she could go oh look you go through because it they're like I think it's equally shitty that she didn't say oh look you go through

[01:17:31] you better close that because he went first and she got it in first and that that's the only differentiating factor in the whole thing but we already talked about this last time let's let's move on so it's time we need to be on the same debate team Jason

[01:17:46] no I'm glad you came I'm glad we're not because it makes it more interesting where I seriously for anybody hasn't heard me say this I'm a castica I always tell everyone don't feel any to agree it's kind of more interesting sometimes when we disagree and then in the

[01:18:01] moment sometimes I get heated and it feels like I forgot about that but I haven't I think it's totally cool we can all stay for like a week but my favorite thing is to do was when I was in argument on

[01:18:12] that's on the a so good cast and I put in a duel of the heights underneath and then it was an argument when I was so long I had to play twice it was on my face

[01:18:23] pits wow even Darth Maul we won didn't fight that long no it's Kristen and James so let's get into some listener feedback Daphne would you like to go first? I would love to so the first one is from Kelly Burgess going in I would have been

[01:18:44] fine with any of the three winning I thought Phil had a great chance and I really liked them my is someone I thought fairly early on would win but had decided after the circle of trust

[01:18:55] rounds that Phil was the better player until they didn't use any strategy until they didn't you yeah see it was a strategy no strategy and it was a tragedy no I still didn't use any

[01:19:10] strategy for rock paper scissors then I figured it was going to be my overall it was an interesting show to watch I do feel like learning about the behind the scenes stuff like how long red light

[01:19:21] green light took took away something from it I'm a pretty big survivor fan and learning behind the scenes stuff on that tends to make me appreciate it more so while I did get sucked into this

[01:19:33] one it could never replace the OG of reality competition chose for me she is really big she's still watching survivor I gave up a couple years ago but she's she's still watching when Phil said they didn't use strategy strategy no you don't need strategy for rock paper scissors

[01:19:52] there was a part of me that was like oh come on but there's another part that's like that's kind of how Phil's been playing this whole time so it's kind of ignoring you know

[01:20:00] it'd be kind of a daring for him to get through they call him a floater Jason kind of in survivor right on them there's their kind of a floater yeah last likely to win in the end in a so jury

[01:20:17] selected yeah all right Cara luckily not gonna lie when they first announced the final round would be rock paper scissors I was thoroughly disappointed it just felt so incredibly anti-climactic I wanted something that was more skill focused I know my had a special tragedy

[01:20:37] I see I know my hair the specific tragedy uh strategy but man the added stress of having to pick and try a different key to open the safe each round definitely at height in the attention I felt a bit better about it after watching the making of special

[01:20:57] understand why they didn't go with squid like the actual show but I may have almost prepared to see that the dark she game here or a twist somewhere you throw the envelopes oh yeah yes

[01:21:10] yes that would have been great or a twist on Simon says or just something that felt higher stakes to mirror the overall show I arrived up the season and I'm very much looking

[01:21:20] forward to another one what did you guys make of the montage of players going about their lives at the end think they're bringing any of them back the season too that's interesting

[01:21:30] I feel like they won't bring players back for season two but if the show goes on maybe they will do a best thing like so yeah I'm picking all stars right yeah six actually yeah

[01:21:41] yeah that's that's it. Eric and Ferders is replying to Kara Kara I could not agree more I appreciated the final three we're not really devious but I've been so turned off of reality shows

[01:21:53] because of the forced and overproduced quote drama and thankfully this show didn't do too much of this throughout the series the ending was very anticlimactic but I think that was just the fault to the final challenges I really wish they pick games that required more strategy less chance

[01:22:09] I can't wait to watch the making of special I didn't know they released one yeah I was I was okay with the button thing but then I would want the other challenge to be more yes skill based

[01:22:22] there was a lot of block and chance-based testing in this and I would like to see more strategy the one thing I did like about it though is that it wasn't all like strength-based

[01:22:39] which you get in some of the other reality shows which really even the playing field for people it made it honestly I feel I think it made it possible for some of the people who made it further

[01:22:51] in this game to make it as far as they did because it wasn't a physical element to it yeah like survivor you need fit people right yeah just even the running and being out in the wild and everything

[01:23:06] yeah but for this show I don't think they wanted to have to limit it to just have fit people and so then it would be pretty unfair to have challenges that required a lot of physicality

[01:23:19] yeah all right next from Alex Baylish first off let me say I would probably not make it past red light green light but the contestants acted like they either knew the game or were shocked when

[01:23:32] things go crazy you knew would be crazy town you also the show right yeah so I loved 3.01 and 302 in the marble game mama squid played it the way it should be played which is

[01:23:48] you play your kid is hired it's not harder than every other player i'm so glad she did that and they showed it the way they did it showed everyone you only have one life and you fight till

[01:23:59] the end she shows as a parent you've never stopped teaching your kids without a doubt this game showed never claim to be fair you must do what you have to to survive but just not get caught or have

[01:24:11] the perception that you're not doing bad I think the way it played out in edited was brilliant playing fair is all in the eye of the folder that said if you make a deal do you stick to it she was right

[01:24:26] to throw 278 under the Boston the dice game she cost 3 of once life because she was selfish 278 only played by either rules when it was convenient for her my's play was not the best

[01:24:39] all the way all the time she lied she did like everyone else but it's what got her her win it was fascinating as a guy to hear how women think about men when it came to games rock i

[01:24:51] e rock paper scissors about like letting your kid win i'm thinking if it was Nico and i i i think i would give him an edge i really do i feel like i wouldn't have the heart to just

[01:25:06] go all out against Nico but he's only 12 right now so maybe if he was like 25 i might feel differently i don't know Jason we played among us against Nico he he probably

[01:25:18] have won over on you right if it was a video game my yeah would be the underdog for sure alright thank you Alex that was great i'm glad you wrote in yeah i'm so

[01:25:30] Troy Simmons says i've been listening to your podcast for years so this is why i'm so surprised at our totally different takes on what occurred in these episodes the way you all fell victim to editing

[01:25:40] villainizing Ashley while somehow and so intonuating my was such a quote good nice individual what my were you watching all this entire series laugh emojis that lady is a snake a hypocrite

[01:25:53] and so caniving from day one i was so triggered by an agent lady finding it so hard to trust a black man who happened to be the main reason she even made it to the final three i couldn't help but relate

[01:26:05] that's TJ i couldn't help but relate this to how Asian Americans have so much disdain for African Americans despite the fact that they profit so much from opening their businesses in our

[01:26:14] communities yes he was over the top but he didn't give her any reason to have that much just trust in him then the fact that the two black men just happened to end up with numbers one in two

[01:26:25] threw me really the way lafie emoji the way they edited that bridge task you call that lady stupid but the moment with 4.5 million on the line i can 100% see panic and irrational thoughts sneaking in that's a

[01:26:39] good point and it is weird how no one held that against her if infected did go down that way yeah my held it against her but me sing what i saw from my this entire series i believe my

[01:26:51] just use that as an excuse not to nominate herself and it's easy for people in the way back in the line to be so gunk how about teamwork especially misteam player number 20 my thanks again TJ

[01:27:03] she certainly had no problem throwing her most valuable teammate under the bus when she was calling him untrustworthy behind his back not to mention taking out her teammates with that gift and lying

[01:27:12] about it anyway love you show keep in coming t-roy t-roy i found it super odd how everyone loved my all the way through and was saying it went everywhere i'm gonna say oh she said lovely she's so nice

[01:27:30] and like they obviously aren't seeing what we're seeing i saw her as being very very in the game and playing to win the whole time and was not afraid to throw people under the bus i was surprised that

[01:27:46] the contestants saw my as being such a great nice person as i'm sure she's a middle-eye but during the game she played very very hard and and betrayed several people along the way

[01:28:00] yeah but there were people too that she didn't betray like she i don't think she would have betrayed Chad right i think it was easy for me to be okay what i mean she would have played it that's hard to say yeah she would have played as hard

[01:28:17] as she could but i think there were people that she was not gonna play against and i think she was genuinely it seemed genuinely surprised when TJ picked her first yeah right no yeah she felt bad

[01:28:28] i think she felt bad because she had said she didn't trust him and when she said that i i was already rolling my eyes at TJ just because he seems like a good hearted person but i really think he's

[01:28:40] full of himself and just like definitely main character you know yeah he shot everything through through his point of view of our house and tried to just as presume that everyone else was

[01:28:54] was watching that show as well be from the same yeah well i'm not everyone not everybody agreed that he should be the leader like remember Chad woke up and was like when did this happen i was

[01:29:07] over here getting an app because i haven't slept all night so when that one girl had to figure out who to put the number one beb on she agreed he should be the leader yeah yeah what

[01:29:19] yeah i rewatched that and she's like i just love him i think he's so wonderful he will lead us through this here take number one you got what i think i think she said all that i think she just

[01:29:33] said all that to make herself fall i'm absolutely yeah i mean she was bullseye yeah she knew i'm gonna put this in a way that makes myself feel good but i mean yeah

[01:29:44] T-Ri i just want to say like maybe my had some racial bias going against um TJ maybe not i would give her and all the contestants the benefit of the doubt in that regard you know

[01:29:59] personally but you could be right i don't know but then as far as Ashley and art thoughts about her that to me has no uh it doesn't have anything to do with her skin color or ethnic background

[01:30:13] and if you want any proof of that or any evidence of that look how are you like acted to dillin and aurora in the bottle game totally on her side totally against him so it's all about how they're

[01:30:23] playing not about it's behavior but color there anything yeah yeah it's really behavior my part and it's hard because you can start off rooting for someone because honestly you guys keep talking

[01:30:36] about TJ being over the top and i like TJ like i didn't i thought he was a bit yes he was a little OTT at times but i really liked him and i did feel bad when he was eliminated

[01:30:48] because i go back to how he destroyed in in worship was like walk though and he impacted like it was something special about him when it's pure luck but the interesting thing i found was what the English people um definitely what was game ago's name a number please

[01:31:07] be be what is her name was be and she was number 18 thank you uh like it was really funny to watch the English players react to how earnest the American players were and because everyone's

[01:31:23] a little you know a little more ironic and everything and he's so forthright and and you know don't hold with everything and and believing yourself all the all these kind of kind of very

[01:31:34] forthright ideas and and she's a bit ironic and i the i rolling that she had and it was that was an interesting cultural thing between the kind of the English players and the the American ones

[01:31:47] and i'm more i'm not religious i'm pretty cynical about all that so and that's me and i know that's not everyone and i fully respect not everyone comes from that position but in that

[01:31:58] instance i was much more on bees i'm not saying that TJ was perfect i'm just saying that i'm glad you said that though definitely that yeah i really did like him and i appreciated what

[01:32:13] he brought to the game because it was an energy and i think it was needed and frankly he's entertaining he saved some of the people that i wanted to make it through so yeah and i don't think i think

[01:32:26] he was a hundred percent genuine with everything you know everything he wanted to do and say it was all genuine and came from a really good place but i think it was just a slight lack of self-awareness

[01:32:41] of people how he comes across to people who aren't in his immediate group right or the he doesn't work he's used to be all looking up to him and because he's the leader of where he is

[01:32:55] and he's you know the people he plays basketball if i'm not accepting and but what was kind of all it was how he immediately thought that would translate into a group of 400 i have a 400

[01:33:07] strength yeah right now that kind of behavior is polarizing because you'll either line up behind a guy like that and they're like yeah man or you'll be like what is where's this guy coming

[01:33:18] or is this guy i mean i'm not trying to be politically but it's a little bit like trump like yeah you're either like all in or you're like no way yeah you know but i also remember like up the

[01:33:28] he won't battle with ship up i there was a lot of people coming up to him and going you were amazing you did so well you're so great and and i kept wondering and like are you guys being

[01:33:40] on this story you trying to set him up to very keep stirring this so he keeps putting himself all right well i mean i don't know i think trade was honest when he went up to him

[01:33:50] right i think to him for saving i don't know yeah i do yeah i think probably right i mean the kind of guy who would say that to him is also the kind of guy who'd think he could get across the glass

[01:34:02] bridge well that that was on my honestly i think i think i think that was a moment of madness that's my point of my madness but another kind of like i'm going to be it was another heroic moment

[01:34:18] mm-hmm right just playing with your heart yeah not your brand all right so what now we have our final segment for squid game the challenge at least until season two comes along and that's entitled fun questions from deafening oh right yes excellent okay

[01:34:36] so i haven't prepared for this no neither of you because i didn't share any of the questions excellent here we go there's just a couple so i want to ask you both which player do you think

[01:34:51] you would have played most like gameplay wise hard one it is it is let me i'm thinking someone like Steven kind of lowkey trying to connect with people and just not be too crazy try to

[01:35:17] think with your head but yeah some be like that i'd think i would have liked i would have would have been tended to play like Sam be the great man being the middle don't stick you

[01:35:30] head up and all of that but i think i would have ended up playing like the guy with the mallet making friends having a great time making poor decisions and then the end you know getting

[01:35:41] voted out for absolutely no reason that's the same guys Steven that's Steven it is sorry both Steven okay that is that's funny that you both it's funny they keep made poor decisions well

[01:35:54] the only thing is their alliance was to to all pios yeah and they they admit that because that was part of an interview that i saw with both of them and they admit we should not have been

[01:36:09] not and i probably if without having the benefit of having seen season one i probably would have done exactly the same thing but Sam tried to Sam had a great strategy let's he spoke about

[01:36:22] it being you know a ghost almost and just being in the middle it makes yeah there's no point to win winning you just have to finish and that's the best strategy to play all the way through

[01:36:33] it's just make sure you finish and and not be the tallest nail the only thing about Sam is he just seemed very honest and honorable and wanted to play fair and i don't think i would do that i don't

[01:36:49] I just wouldn't think it would be the smartest way to play i would try to use my brain in way i might deceive you know i might pretend to be friends with somebody that i didn't like and he didn't

[01:37:01] do that and i actually respected i admire it and it did get into the end which i think is really fascinating and it's surprising to me but i think i can't see myself playing that way

[01:37:12] Sam couldn't exactly be a ghost because i don't know if you know what or not but Sam is like he's very tall but he still managed to stand so it is and with that beard it's what he stands out

[01:37:25] he stands up visually but i think personality why is he he didn't make waves he he was very he made good friendships but didn't wasn't the obvious leader of the group he was in you know i thought he

[01:37:40] played a really good game and until the end where Jason had convinced me that that was the absolutely wrong decision to make yeah but when he gonna do though somebody had to go so i don't

[01:37:52] know someone had to go i think what about no i think Phil would have given it um for okay so for me i think i would try to be a little more thing of two players my is one of them because i

[01:38:05] tend to be emotional um anyone that knows me and i was a bit emotional sometimes my heart i think is too big and a little bit like b because i just think she played very smart and she

[01:38:22] yeah she was very clever and i'd like to think that that's how i would be but i also know that my heart gets in the way and that's why i can't play these games i respect the people that can

[01:38:35] go in and make decisions that maybe everyone hates like pholycia voting out both of you know too you know Steven and Rick two of the most popular players and she did it because she knew

[01:38:54] they were well liked by everyone um i'd like yeah i just feel like i'd have to be more strategic like my in order to get far in the game so i'd like to think i would play a

[01:39:09] more from those two people i can't i also just can't predict sort of psychologically and emotionally how it would fare because i go into different situations and have wildly different outcomes

[01:39:23] and go in and be a leader like in podcast to go and have it be fabulously great and then other times i can be a total outcast and then i can be somewhere in between sometimes and i just a with in a

[01:39:37] real high pressure situation like this i think there's a chance that i could really shine or that i could totally flop on my face because i've always wanted this because like you know when

[01:39:49] walking did was at at absolute height you were doing these panels how did you approach your first panel how did you go with that i mean with the panels i always just went in with the excitement

[01:40:03] and genuine authentic curiosity about whoever i was and i just treated it like oh this is your fucking chance that i would actually ask these person persons the questions i wanted to know

[01:40:14] the answer to and also show my enthusiasm the first panel i ever did was with Melissa Hutchison you play Clementine and tell tell game we ended up being great friends and it was a fantastic

[01:40:23] panel and set the tone i had some bad ones over the years but when i knew when i came into a panel genuinely curious like after a while when i done several panels with the same people it was

[01:40:35] harder because i didn't have that genuine grass anymore it already satisfied it and those panels sometimes weren't good or i'd turn it over to the audience more but whenever i came in just feeling genuinely

[01:40:45] curious it was just a great fun conversation you know with that authenticity there and how did you feel with the audience right in front of you because that would have been something new to

[01:40:56] have suddenly have hundreds of people in front of you i've always loved but i'm not afraid of publics getting i thrive i did a play in college you know and even just the podcast even though

[01:41:10] they're not actually there i i feel the presence of them and enjoy it you know enjoy it so yeah i could you know i cracked jokes and then i hear the audience laughing that would tickle me like

[01:41:22] oh it was great you know and a couple times i'd like one time when i did a panel with Norman Rita's and they were like 4,000 women in the audience wanted to be as a girlfriend you know and i

[01:41:37] made some crack like we were supposed to talk about something about the walking to the just happen i forget it was some plot point and you know they wanted to keep it a secret

[01:41:46] and he mentioned something about it and i just said i remember you said we're not supposed to talk about that and i hear boo in the audience i'm sorry okay i didn't like that feeling no

[01:42:00] right i think that's right next question is which elimination was the hardest for you to watch fill and then the end really yeah because i was just like let's see how this rolls out but

[01:42:19] Phil was yours yeah i'm just trying to think i thought the the the hardest was the was a honeycomb game i think it thought that was the most tragic because it was so intense for so many people

[01:42:33] and not no one in particular but Spencer i really felt bad for him because he just was so in every his head and had no idea how he was coming across to everyone and when he tried to do

[01:42:46] the right thing but he really like that was actually the hardest thing to watch for me even though i was just i was a muesbyed and just shot it was really hard to watch and it's like that you know

[01:43:01] that being scored in something embarrassing happening to you and you can't stop from happening i felt really bad for him but i think that was the hardest for everyone because everyone's hands

[01:43:13] were shaking they were all sweating and and yeah i thought that was uh that was the hardest once you watch and i will say the Spencer i thought it's a bad for him but you know we do

[01:43:24] even though i was also kind of giggling yeah yeah and yet you want it to for sure you feel it needs to be an every square game of challenge yeah even though what i had to watch yeah

[01:43:37] i was entertaining well we don't want it to be easy to watch that's why i thought it was so um i that's why we go back to the rock paper scissors i didn't think there was the same

[01:43:48] drama though even though it was a fine or game i i did i felt like but to me yeah that wasn't about the the drama it was about just coming to really respect and like fill and fills approach to

[01:44:04] everything and the fact that they made it that far with that approach i was just delighted by that i don't have a problem with my but she does seem like a more typical reality show contestant and i

[01:44:18] think i would probably be more like my if i was on the show but to see it full and you know um kind of manipulative at times great story good person but fill was such a light and so when they lost i was

[01:44:33] like oh man yeah and those who are like the light do not win you know that far i mean it was by the rock too that they lost but i i also found i think is what you're going to say definitely

[01:44:46] a Steven and Rick pretty hard too yeah for me that was rough because they can't it seem to come out and know where yeah and yet it didn't because after that episode i remember thinking

[01:45:00] no she absolutely Felicia that was one of the pivotal like decisions in the game to take out the person with the advantage to take out um two of the most popular players that everyone likes people like genuinely liked them that it is made to the gumbag gang or

[01:45:23] whatever they were called that just work that alone yeah yeah that a lot yeah good buzz from my yeah yeah we can have the gumbag gang when we're in okay okay um you are in squid game

[01:45:40] what challenge do you think you would excel at a hundred percent red light green light i am i'm nailing i'm getting through that no problem no problem uh oh god i can't think of any maybe rush

[01:46:01] tempo i don't know for me i mean i could maybe i could do red light green light yeah i would hope so but yeah maybe that would be i and you know what let me give myself a little credit i already

[01:46:14] tried the delgona yeah didn't five minutes so that's right yeah yeah um i i wouldn't make it past red like green light so that being said i think if i were going to do well at a challenge it would be

[01:46:31] warship hmm because it's strategy and i can think about it hundred percent cool well nominate you as lead a then yeah i wonder if there's like an internet version of battleship we can

[01:46:44] have a game of it oh i think we totally need to do that yeah yeah oh my god and that's the red arrow head so when you yeah yeah i mean that set was incredible when they walked into

[01:46:59] that all i could think is oh man this is i would not what i was expecting in all the most wonderful ways like it was especially how in the bomb hit your spot it would be great touch yeah but

[01:47:14] they just ramped up the anticipation all through that uh through that one so yeah i agree okay no one more alright cool you went to pick three people to be in your squid game alliance

[01:47:31] who do you pick which contestants do you pick to be in your squid game alliance you guys or has to be on the show okay i'm going i'm going game ago TJ because he's a nice shield

[01:47:53] and then then the old god because he's an other shield as well because i know he's two dangerous yeah what's that girl twiggy or whatever name is figgy figgy figgy maybe tray i don't know i'm just picking round random people and uh i wouldn't want to pick

[01:48:19] fill because why would i know i want to pick fill so he's going to want to fill the wind and i want to know so what was your name again figgy figgy tray and uh maybe i can't i don't know

[01:48:41] i don't know how to make a good alliance for show like this you do need a shield yeah i think it's not what's enough survive definitely when pick Ashley i watched a few season

[01:48:53] but it was a long time ago back you have to really understand it yeah and i said the bachelorette but not yeah it's definitely worth getting back into seriously and the Australian ones

[01:49:04] really good i need to watch the Australian really good yeah and it's a virus if you enjoy this if i were as definitely you've got nothing to watch you want to binge a couple of seasons

[01:49:16] so either you will not be disappointed okay i'd pick Sam because i want loyal people in my see you go all right definitely okay so this is very difficult for me because

[01:49:32] i've read a lot about a lot of these players because i just am obsessed with like the little details um and my picks might surprise you just because i'm going 100% strategy i think in most

[01:49:47] it in with this um but i'm not completely uh philicia because i think she can make the really difficult decisions when they need to be made um i also pick Chad because i think he could

[01:50:03] be a good shield when needed uh draw attention to himself when you know when i need to like someone to deflect me and then i would pick uh TJ because i think he can get everyone inspired at least

[01:50:24] for a little bit till people get tired of it now we go he's got great motivational skills up to sure yep so there's a my three well that's a solid that's a solid four you've got there

[01:50:35] i know i don't know if it's for squid game or for playing survival yeah who are you sending to the pie challenge then um one thing a couple because i want to point out Sam has that majestic beard

[01:50:50] he actually has a beard company called beard giant oh really that's interesting products for beard so i know a few people in the podcast of realm uh have beard so they may want to

[01:51:03] utilize some of his products so um yeah i mean that's pretty much those are all my we've run through all my questions so that's great i'm excited for for another season and i am just interested in

[01:51:22] how the producers are going to do this because they already whittle to everything down from 80,000 applicants before yeah right i can have that and how many applicants are kind of coming this so

[01:51:36] because everyone's got a chance that's that's the other thing with this game is you have a chance everyone does you know it's the strength the strength is not it factor and there's a lot of

[01:51:49] involved in it and if you just kind of keep pushing you you'll get through and uh so yeah i think i i can't wait to find out how many applicants they have well i do think too based on the

[01:52:03] interviews that i've seen we may see some of these people on survivor our course we will we will test CBS is going to want to capitalize on that and trade definitely said he would

[01:52:20] 100% go on survivor they invited him and then must get me back to watching again i mean right i think i think there'd be more like him and mum on the what's the race around the world amazing race that's what i was thinking too

[01:52:36] they'd be great on that yeah so eventually they will fight though which would have been wouldn't should be awesome to see oh absolutely all right that is our show thanks so much for listening everyone Jonathan thanks for

[01:53:01] jumping on this with us it was kind of impromptu i hope it would be you jumping it's last this has been great yeah yeah it's cool trio to talk about this next up on the podcast will be

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