7: "Phases" (BTVS S2E16)

[00:00:00] Hmm?

[00:00:01] Ah!

[00:00:03] Oh.

[00:00:04] One can't speak at all.

[00:00:08] Paris!

[00:00:09] Geez!

[00:00:10] Next time we're a bell.

[00:00:11] Why so jumpy, Larry?

[00:00:13] Geeks make me nervous.

[00:00:14] Is that really it, or is there something you're hiding?

[00:00:19] I could hide my fist in your face.

[00:00:22] I know your secret, big guy. I know what you've been doing at night.

[00:00:25] You know, Paris, that nosy little nose I am gay. I heard you the first time. I can't believe it.

[00:01:40] It was almost easy.

[00:01:42] I never felt I could tell anyone.

[00:01:44] And then you, you of all people, you bring it out of it. Hello, everybody. Welcome to Still Slaying, a Buffyverse podcast. I'm Penny. I'm Kara. And at the time. I've actually been part of Podkastika as a listener for actually I got into it in the strangest way. I just wanted to see Mark Blucas on a television show. But what's interesting about that is I watched one episode of Buffy and I, so I started to kind of

[00:05:41] research it in any way I could. And, and, you know, I started watching it. I'm like, this is one of them. I've not seen this one before. I'm pretty sure I never watched even an episode of the first season. Um, so watching that was very interesting. Um, and, and as we get into, you know, this episode, um, what's, what's interesting to me is now having rewatched it, um, I enjoyed the first season,

[00:07:01] probably more than most, um, like watching this like Mean Girl and you can sort of see it in and really everything she does in Angel and Buffy, but it's just been such an amazing kind of like,

[00:08:20] it's filling up the characters for me because some of these shows I've seen before, because

[00:08:24] you know, you'd see them like over the summer, they pop up or I do like a Netflix was like a five episode gap there where I felt like I was running a trip. It's amazing to me like how well done these characters are just kind of in the rewatch. You know I without really getting was Mandy Moore. And they came out like really close together. The Mandy Moore one is fun because they go to like the Berlin

[00:11:00] Love Fest and and things like that.

[00:11:03] So it's it's better scenery.

[00:11:05] You just unlocked the memory. that movie it's so long. Still slaying where we get turned out, where we talk about Mark Lucas. Yep. You're welcome to everybody who's listening. Thank you so much. Yeah. Anybody who has not gotten to that season yet must be very confused. Yeah. They're like, who are they talking about?

[00:12:21] What?

[00:12:22] Don't worry.

[00:12:22] Trust us.

[00:12:23] You'll find out.

[00:12:23] When we get to season four, you'll

[00:12:25] understand this conversation in retrospect.

[00:12:27] Oh gosh. Titanic has a pretty solid run during season two of Buffy.

[00:13:45] And we move away from the and Ms. Lewinsky, like they just, they didn't care about what he had to say. No. Oh my gosh. I learned so much in fourth grade with the Bill Clinton scandal. I was educated way too quickly about certain sexual relations.

[00:15:04] I will never forget that.

[00:15:05] I just,

[00:16:08] got 8.2 million viewers. The next week when Phases aired, Buffy was competing with Clinton's fifth State of the Union address and the viewership went down to 4.9 million viewers.

[00:16:14] It's still a lot. So I'm curious to see it is.

[00:16:18] I think I would have been watching Buffy over Xander has kind of grown into his role a bit. I think Oz was like the perfect casting choice. And he's so fantastic. This whole episode to me is up his finger because his little nephew or cousin, Jordy, had bitten him on the finger. And it didn't even occur to me. I mean, I knew Oz was, I knew at the time that,

[00:19:00] Oz was going to end up being the werewolf,

[00:19:01] but I didn't notice that until I watched it a second time.

[00:19:04] And I was like, did they mention the Jordy thing earlier?

[00:19:07] And then you sort of, you know, romantic interest on the show who has a monster inside him that he can't control.

[00:20:24] And so it's this great comparison with Angel humor and I think that's a big reason why I love Oz so much. And there were, I mean, there were so many fantastic quotes and pieces of dialogue in this episode. It was just chock full of them. But I think one of my favorites from the whole series is when, you know, Larry comes up to Oz with those guys

[00:21:44] and he's just being kind performances on this show. But Oz coming in adds such an... I don't know I mean, Seth Green is so cute. And, you know, Buffy even says like, I think it's kind of cool that he's not being an animal. And then later when Giles describes, you know, what a werewolf is, he says,

[00:24:22] where'd my notes go? There it is. He says, you see, the werewolf

[00:25:21] toxic masculinity, right? This like harassing women and always like ready for a fight

[00:25:27] and bullying people and just performing this overt version

[00:25:34] of masculinity as we find out to cover up his own issues.

[00:25:39] Well, and then they throw,

[00:25:40] they throw Cain in on top of that to double down on it.

[00:25:44] But you're a girl.

[00:25:45] Yeah. He doesn't care that they're humans. That's why he only hunts them three days of the month. The stereotypical like I've got one of their teeth. He's got the necklace that comes around. He's got his little trophy. So gross. Yeah, the funny the funny thing about both Larry and Kane is I think, you know,

[00:28:22] even before that episode, but even in very interesting ways. And I think, you know, having talked about how old Angel is and how young Seth Green looks, how young Oz is, even though he's a senior. Yeah. I mean, it's 18. Yeah. He's a baby. Yeah. And I just, I love the, the counterbalance of the two of those characters with two of the main female characters.

[00:28:24] It's, it's fantastic.

[00:29:25] She's just like, oh, you're a friend of Buffy's and he's this tall, dark, and handsome guy. He's strong.

[00:29:26] He's offering to walk her home and basically protect her from whatever monster is out there

[00:29:32] terrorizing Sunnydale.

[00:29:34] And really, he's the scariest monster there is.

[00:29:39] And I know, I don't know how intentional this them is the bad guy. Like what are you doing dude? It's just cause that one looks like a monster. That girl could be the problem. And this is a great example. Like Angel looks great. He's real pretty, dress is nice. Like sometimes a little overly dramatic, but still. And-

[00:31:00] And-

[00:31:01] Very in style for the nineties.

[00:31:02] He is the most dangerous person in Sunnydale.

[00:31:08] You know, Buffy's and I was like, is that a coincidence that he is exhibiting like this whole show with masculinity. He exhibits this kind of masculine trait of protecting her and

[00:32:21] They have that moment and I hate that moment. I really do because it makes me I cannot stand Buffy and Xander

[00:33:26] how frustrated I get with him. And we've talked about this before where I try to keep in mind that he is portraying a teenage boy. He's not gonna be perfect. He has a lot of maturing growing

[00:33:33] up to do. I try to keep that in mind, but son of a bitch. He just makes me so mad sometimes,

[00:33:39] where poor Willow has been in love with him for years. Heleader, homecoming queen type. And they're at Lovers Lane, and he keeps bringing up Willow. And obviously, we haven't seen all the mentions of Willow, because Cordelia is just like, what the hell, man? Like, she's like, enough. Enough, what is that? Like, why are we still talking about Willow?

[00:35:00] We're supposed to do things that we can never

[00:35:02] tell my dad about, because he still thinks I'm not sure I do. Oz and I are in some sort of holding pattern, except without the holding, or anything else. What's he waiting for? What's his problem? Oh, that's right, he episode was filmed so well. I, that part, especially, I love the counterbalance and I really, the interaction between these characters, like, like Willow, Willow's literally like, well, Cordelia too, they're literally like, okay, so now we're going to be friends because this is who we're talking about.

[00:37:41] Um, which is, which is fun.

[00:38:46] it's not rushed or anything like that and the acceptance of her into the Scooby Gang by the other characters is also done very carefully. Like Willow

[00:38:52] obviously because they really kind of hated her and had this butting heads

[00:38:59] kind of rivalry relationship where she was almost essentially

[00:39:03] bullying them for a time and now you know Willow's not 100% on board. They're She's like, oh yeah, she's an evil mastermind. Full of surprises. I was just like, he, he, he, he. Yeah. Cheeky Oz. It's a good cheeky Oz moment. There's so many, so many cheeky Oz moments. Like when Buffy gets frustrated with Larry

[00:40:20] and just dumps him on the mat, flips him over,

[00:40:24] and Oz is like, that'll work.

[00:40:26] That one moment might as well be one of my points. Coke with her strength. She goes, oh, diet. Yes, it's great to see. As if the Slayer needs to watch her calories, her metabolism must be off the chart. She must need to eat 10,000 calories a day. An aspect of being the chosen one.

[00:41:40] Her metabolism is off the charts.

[00:41:45] She's got a Michael Phelps. The show lost sponsors.

[00:43:02] It had an effect on the corporate relationship

[00:43:05] between Disney and ABC. a real story. And it was advertised like, it was ridiculous, the advertising at the time, they were like, oh, and it was very like, you're gonna get to see two chicks make it out like it, it wasn't. Like he's terrified about it. And I remember that was one of the things I really hated about the show Friends in the 90s also, was that Matthew Perry's character was so afraid

[00:45:40] of being perceived as gay.

[00:45:43] Yeah, there are lots of things about Friends

[00:45:45] that now when you look back on it, I do like that development for Larry. I like that storyline and I think, especially for the time for 1998, they handled it very well because he, you immediately have empathy and sympathy for him and the struggle for being, you know, like this big buff football player

[00:47:01] and feeling like he can't be himself. And I'm like, that's not gives Xander too much credit. Like, that's not what that was. But it is a nice moment for Larry, at least. And I like that they did it in a way that seemed completely natural and with the story. There's,? Well, the Moon Pie quote was my favorite quote of the whole, when he started laughing and everybody was like, he's like, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah, his little giggle.

[00:49:41] Everybody's looking at him like, what is happening?

[00:49:44] And that's such an excellent kind of like silent moment that comment about, you know, implying that they're together. It's good to get the fruit. It's good to get the fruit while it's fresh. It was so fresh. But Giles, yeah, she has to hold Giles back. And, you know, again, for the spoiler talk, but yeah, he starts lunging and she holds him back. And God, what a quote though.

[00:51:02] Oh God.

[00:51:02] It's such a, it's an interesting play again

[00:51:05] on the idea of masculinity. that it must have been 240 mega newtons per meter squared or 35,000 pounds per square inch. So that's just like unbelievably strong. And I think the only other character I've ever seen do that is Superman, like bend a gun

[00:52:22] to make it no longer usable.

[00:52:25] The $6 million man used to do it.

[00:53:24] forward thinking and it really has led to a lot of other strong feminine characters. But this one's done in some ways very comic booky, in some ways very soap opera.

[00:53:31] But in some ways very authentically where you have a high school girl who's the female

[00:53:36] lead who also kicks everybody's ass.

[00:53:39] And there's also kind of the, especially as. Yeah, the fashion is a lot better in this episode on Buffy. She's got some some nice jackets. She's dressed a lot better than usual. They got Willow in another dopey hat at the beginning. She's in that like ski hat.

[00:55:00] Like, what are you doing?

[00:55:01] You live in Southern California in the desert.

[00:55:03] Like, why are you wearing a hat in the sun?

[00:55:05] And then, you know, she's got sort of humpty, self subverts expectations because obviously you hear Larry talking about like this dog bite and he had to get all these stitches and Oz holds up his little finger and he's just like yeah my my cousin Jordy took a nibble like he's like apparently he doesn't like being tickled and it comes off as a joke and that's what's so brilliant, it seems very appropriate. It's just with teenagers especially. Werewolves are unrestrained and sexual, right? The werewolf is drawn to sexual pheromones. That's how they know where to find it. And Oz is in no rush to push Willow into having sex.

[00:57:42] He's not a werewolf when he's Oz. It's just fascinating. Even there's that callback to, gosh, I think it's season one, episode three, the witch episode. Oh yeah. You know, like when Oz is staring at the trophy case and Willakim's like, yeah, it's

[00:59:00] like eyes are following me.

[00:59:03] And instead of being like creeped out or anything middle of the series, thinking how shows like this, when they're done right, remind me of Star Trek from the 60s and no, not science fiction or anything like that. But what that's very innocent because it's it's a high school At this point it's it's a it's a high school drama They play it so well and it's so non-threatening but at the same time if you give it a chance like there's such a depth to it and um I hope that like if people get to this podcast and they haven't filled in the episodes

[01:01:43] um that that you aren't covering it's really important that you do that because there is a even in the

[01:02:46] Like David Boreanaz. I think he's he's again how perfect this cast is like how good he is as

[01:02:53] His transformation back to Angelus. I mean, it's just these transformations that we get to see

[01:02:58] The phases. I mean they talk about phases and if you go back to the end of

[01:03:05] It's funny because when you first gave me this episode and I watched innocence one of the when when spike and and drusilla And angel are sitting there

[01:04:05] That doesn't always mean that person isn't still who you think they are, right? Oz is still Oz.

[01:04:07] He has this big secret.

[01:04:09] It comes out.

[01:04:10] He even says like, I'm going to need a couple of days to process this.

[01:04:15] But he's still Oz.

[01:04:17] But you know, Angel's secret turned out to be really dangerous.

[01:04:22] Rupert Giles' secret was really dangerous. I can't say words, scholar, I can't help. Scholarly. Scholarly. Scholarly. Lord. Too many Ls. Yeah, I was like, why? It's not so much. Academic. Yeah, academic interest in, you know, this cult classic at this point. And one of the quotes that just stood out to me is that in Buffy, she said, monsters

[01:05:42] act as physical stand-ins for societal differences and threats. Because it is kind of like this one long coming of age arc, just with, you know, more monsters than normal and a lot of other fun supernatural things. But I think that, you know, especially when we look at Oz as a werewolf and angels turning back into Angelus after he and Buffy sleep together for the first time.

[01:07:05] None of that's,, dude, take attention. But see that, like, read the room. We talk about the complexities of people doing studies on the episode. But at the core of it, Buffy's a junior in high school. I mean, the fact that it stays grounded like that

[01:08:20] is what makes the show so fun.

[01:08:22] And why I absolutely love this episode,

[01:08:23] especially coming after the last two.

[01:08:26] We get another Monster of the Week.

[01:08:27] It's still connected to the last two, which was also one of the features of Gilmore Girls, also popular around this time. And West Wing was known for its rapid pattern. Yeah, with Amy Sherman-Palladino and Aaron Sorkin. Yes, for sure. That pacing. I do like to, that one line,

[01:09:41] now I'm just remembering quotes,

[01:09:43] but when Oz and Willow kind of have their little moment Oh gosh. But it is, it's just so precious. And the way they deliver those lines, especially those two, there's an innocence about them and just like this purity and sweetness that makes them really fun to watch. And it just feels so genuine.

[01:11:00] Yeah, there's nothing that makes me have any misgivings

[01:11:04] about Oz as a very nice, healthy representation of masculinity of this mature teenage boy

[01:12:24] for Willow to be involved with. Non-typical like roles and he's a very non-typical role because I think everything that you just described about high school boys is what you typically see in shows and again Glee to me is is kind of a bookend with this show because I think it that that Series is all about non-typical roles quarterbacks being singers and the LG BTQ plus Side of that show is fantastic that just comes keeps recycling

[01:13:44] That that I think Buffy, you know, we that he's a werewolf. Whereas Xander really is all over the place. He really is just all over the place. And that's what he's deeply insecure, right? Xander is insecure about everything all the time.

[01:15:03] And he contradicts himself and he goes back on things. really need him, he's always there. And every now and then with Buffy, he shows a real understanding of what she's going through and says things to her that actually really help. Like in this episode, he says, don't let him get to you. He's not the guy you do. As much as he always hated Angel, he knows that Buffy loved him.

[01:16:20] He cares about Buffy.

[01:16:21] He has empathy.

[01:16:23] Like that's one of the things,

[01:16:24] Xander does have empathy.

[01:16:26] They can't make him completely uncomfortable. And really, it would be great. Yeah. But for entertainment purposes. President of every country. Just like, just all Oz everywhere. If Oz could be president, it would be excellent. The state of the union would be like, things are going good.

[01:17:40] I'm on it.

[01:17:42] A lot of head nodding.

[01:17:44] Just kind of like, yeah.

[01:17:46] Plays. He's like, all right, man. It's such a great moment. That is another good moment with Xander and Cordelia. When Xander's having his Oz and Willow jealousy moment and he mentions about how Oz is in a band and the stereotypes about guys in bands and Cordelia.

[01:19:03] He's like, I've taken guys in bands.

[01:19:05] He's like, thank you.

[01:19:06] Yes. They're all good, but that one will be fun for sure. The one little thing that I wanted to mention about this episode is they do a couple of really neat cut scenes that just cut right into the action of a completely different scene but the scene prior to it led into it that I thought was really good. Yeah, and they overlap the sound. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:20:20] That's fun when they do that.

[01:20:21] There's like usually one sentence from the prior moment in the new scene.

[01:20:24] Yeah, please rate to it.

[01:20:25] So you get this linkage.

[01:20:26] Which they do very well.

[01:20:27] I like that. But during October that point seems like I just have to point that out. I just think Seth Green overall is overlooked. He as a person, he seems very much like the character of Oz. Like he seems very sure of himself. Yes. Obviously his dad, you know, was in the business too.

[01:21:40] He directed this episode.

[01:21:42] But I think that everything that he's ever been in probably after that that he was like, you know what? Maybe behind the camera is where I wanna be. I think I'm good of being famous and I'm just gonna step back. But yeah, I mean, he was in Also Can't Hardly Wait, which is a fantastic performance. I've gone and I'm really... With the goggles and everything.

[01:23:00] Like he's so hilarious.

[01:23:03] He's so precious and funny.

[01:23:05] He's hysterical now.

[01:24:07] as the big bad that we see and the play on phases and changes and all these transformations. Like Buffy is still dealing with, you know, the change that's happened with Angel to Angelus

[01:24:13] and you've got Teresa who literally changes into a vampire and which is great like this this whole Angelus twist was so brilliant was so brilliant and and You know, I was just listening a little bit to the pod from last week and that like that David Boreanaz Like I'm so sad like he's my favorite character in the whole series

[01:25:44] Because well not the this series he's my favorite character in the universe I guess just because that's the show that I started with yeah, you know, during the episode, if it's not spoiler free, if it is spoiler free, and then we can always address spoiler elite. I can't do it. Spoiler-y. It's not working. Yes, thank you. Feedback in the spoiler section, in our Watcher Diaries section,

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[01:27:06] There's a lot of for me. I have to agree as well. I think that the tone shift from surprise and innocence being so fraught with like the sadness and then this episode that is lighter and funnier

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[01:37:41] Thanks everyone. spoilerific conversation as much as we want. And I have been dying to say that I think the werewolf costume in this episode looks horrible. It's so bad. You know what? You know, though, you know what, though, especially knowing where we're going, like, because obviously it gets better. But I actually the campiness, I loved it.

[01:39:03] I loved it. It's so good.

[01:39:05] But I was like, I'm like, is that a trash can of painted red? Yes. Really?

[01:40:20] And old Star Trek too, right?

[01:40:21] There's like old Star Trek, you can sometimes identify

[01:40:24] household items that are being used as weapons on a spaceship. night and day. And I feel like they kind of lay the groundwork for that early on. And Riley's so unexpected, especially from what we see in season two and season three, that I think it makes me appreciate him more as a character each rewatch. And every time you

[01:41:41] mention Riley, especially at the beginning, but you know what, I think I'm gonna enjoy

[01:41:45] him even more this time around. 40 year old. And it just got me thinking like, like David Boreanz is like, and it's not in an inappropriate way, but he's so much older than all the other casts. Like he's like, I think when the series started, he was 28 or 27 or 28. And I think Sarah Michelle Geller was 20 and all the other characters are like 20, 19, 18.

[01:43:03] And I just now, every time I look at him, I'm like,

[01:43:05] ew, ew, ew, ew, ew. Way better. Yeah. Way better. So funny. That is a very satisfying little crossover. Well, and I know that this is a spoiler section. I mean, like his ending scene at Angel is with with Connor. It's so fantastic. The quips they're throwing. I call her. And since I rewatched Angel, I've gotten such appreciation

[01:44:22] of Connor's character more because I hated his character

[01:44:24] the first time I watched through it.

[01:44:26] And I watched it a second. And she's like, how early on did they have Willow's arc planned? Because at this point in time, you know, there's, I think there's in a couple of articles, there's references about that conversation

[01:45:41] between Larry and Xander.

[01:45:42] And at that point, you know, we all talked about how much we love Oz.

[01:47:00] And one of the things that stands out in this one, and I have these DVDs, I used to listen That's right. To study about and learn more about being a werewolf and the history and all that stuff and remembering that commentary just makes me kind of sad we didn't get to explore it further. There must be Oz Comics though, right? I haven't read the comics. I know he's at least got

[01:48:22] like an arc in the season 8

[01:49:24] was sagging even though I think compared to today's numbers it was still doing pretty well. But and I know some of the characters didn't want to keep doing it but it would have been a great show.

[01:49:30] There was talk of a Giles spin-off that was going to be called The Watcher

[01:49:37] and there was talk of a Faith spin-off which I was really rooting for.

[01:49:42] I love Faith and not just because she's from Massachusetts.

[01:49:47] She's rewarding. It's, there's actually academic study on this. There's a, the serial form of any kind of TV show has evolved over many decades. But soap operas really learned the nuts and bolts of how to keep a viewer and reward a

[01:51:05] viewer. You don't want to lose either side of it. I think when Marvel was great, it was doing that. And then it got way too heavy. I don't think Buffy ever gets too heavy in that. I think they always handle that well. And I think Angel carries that on because when you get a second series, it can get even

[01:52:20] more complex.

[01:52:24] But I think they peppered that from this episode that carries on, just this whole arc of Angelus that we get to. It's it's so good. Everything about becoming part one and two are so fun. We get flashbacks. We get spike. We get it's every iconic. It's so many that makes this series fantastic.

[01:55:01] You know, it's so funny.

[01:55:02] I will say if there's anybody that has, you know, watch all of Buffy

[01:55:06] and has never bothered to watch Angel and you're listening to the

[01:56:02] the crossovers are amazing. You know, Wesley,

[01:56:05] the new characters that are.

[01:56:07] Oh, the new characters that are added.

[01:56:11] The Fred. Oh, I love Fred so much.

[01:56:14] I know. I just.

[01:56:15] Lord. Oh, my God.

[01:56:17] Is fantastic.

[01:56:18] And let me tell you something like I.

[01:56:20] It's so, so hard to land a series.

[01:57:23] on my Hulu streaming screen. It always suggests Angel.

[01:57:25] You know, you watch Buffy

[01:57:26] and you probably wanna watch Angel.

[01:57:27] So I just watch Bones.

[01:57:30] I'm like, okay, I'm gonna watch an episode of Bones.

[01:57:32] So I get my David Boreanaz hit

[01:57:34] and I get it a little bit out of my system

[01:57:36] and then I can move on.

[01:57:40] Oh gosh, perfect.

[01:57:42] All right.

[01:57:43] I feel like we do this every time.

[01:57:44] Where we get to the spoilery section,

[01:57:46] we just have so much fun talking about the Buffyverse