306 "Beyond the Sea" (Sweet Tooth S3E4)

[00:00:01] Hmm? Ah! Hmm. Podcastica! Hey everybody, I'm Rima. And I'm Pake. And this is Strange Indeed, a podcast dedicated to the Netflix show Sweet Tooth. This week we are covering episode four of season three, which is titled Beyond the Sea. Ugh.

[00:00:28] Not the first time we've been emotionally harmed by an episode with this title of a show. Truer words were never spoken. Definitely feeling some emotional damage. This episode, and we've covered in our tenure, Pake, some really heavy, deep and emotional shows.

[00:00:51] So it's not, you know, uncharted territory for us to cover things that, you know, move you and make you emotional and really hit you in the feels. But I tell you, I don't know if it's just been things that I've watched over the last couple of days.

[00:01:08] A lot of things that have, you know, brought me to the emotional brink, you know, or what it is. But watching this and then thinking, I've got to now get on a podcast and talk about this. I'm serious.

[00:01:19] I was like, seriously thinking, maybe we switch the format and start covering comedies because I don't know. Yeah. I'm gonna assume. Have you already like just dove super deep into the Bear season three? Is that what you're talking about? I haven't. There's, I'm not. I'm only on.

[00:01:43] Gosh, what was it? Did I watch? I mean, I know I finished two. I can't remember if I watched episode three. Yeah. I am watching The Bear. Yeah. I've only seen the first episode so far.

[00:01:54] I'm going to try to go week to week with Peter and Lucy and do my best. You know, we'll see. And maybe that'll be good. Especially covering this show with this final season going to be as heavy as it's going to be in some places and stuff.

[00:02:06] It's like maybe The Bear should be sprinkled in weekly, just so I'm not really overwhelming myself. Yeah. Well, and here's the thing is normally and I just had a lot of things going on last week.

[00:02:19] I was not able to watch this episode straight away after we recorded last week. I had to edit and get to bed and just had a lot of other things going on. I wasn't able to get to it. So I literally my first watch was yesterday.

[00:02:35] And so it's pretty fresh. And I just feel like with episodes like this, me personally, I need a couple of days to process and try to get through it.

[00:02:43] But of course, there's always a second watch, which always normally hits us harder the second time than it does the first. But, you know, I feel like I'm still so fresh with it that I didn't get to sit and process it for very long.

[00:02:54] So I had watched it yesterday and then watched the finale of Interview with the Vampire that was I was a day late watching that. But that hit me in the feels and just and I'm just like, this is just too much.

[00:03:08] There's just too much, you know, heavy emotional shows that I'm watching right now. It was just nice. It's a lot to process. So I'm like, I don't know how good I'm going to be on this.

[00:03:21] Everyone just needs to have extreme low expectations for what Rima can provide this evening for content. Peck, it is all on you to bring it. Oh, the pressure. Well, I've got lots to say. So there's that. I'm glad. It's gonna be a hard one to get through.

[00:03:40] I still I still haven't started Interview yet. And I want I need to I need to check it out and watch it because I'm a huge Jacob Anderson fanboy. So why am I not watching it? I don't know. But he's fantastic. By the way, it's so damn good.

[00:03:53] I don't know. I don't look at numbers for other shows. I mean, I don't really look at numbers for any show. But I'm sorry, we're getting off on a little bit of a tangent here talking about a different show.

[00:04:02] But you know, we're gonna talk about really good TV. Yeah, we talked about the bear, you know, covering Sweet Tooth, which is really great. But yeah, Interview with the Vampire, you know, I did follow along in season one. I'm a huge Anne Rice fan.

[00:04:14] I've got all the books. I mean, I've been a fan since, you know, I mean, it just hits my gothic soul, teenage soul from the day. And so, yeah, I mean, they've done fantastic, fantastic adaptation with that. And it's so worth the watch.

[00:04:29] And I don't know that it's if it's getting all the attention. I mean, it was renewed for season three. So that's fantastic news. But I feel like nobody's talking about it enough.

[00:04:38] And I just want to scream it from the rooftops because if you're a fan of the series, the books, Anne Rice, you know, whatever, it's absolutely fantastic and so worth it. So yeah, I'd say yes, watch.

[00:04:51] Just add it to the list of all the things I got to say, you know, one day when there's like nothing to do, right, then we'll get to all those shows. I know there's always always something going on.

[00:05:05] So just I mean, I've talked a little bit about already about how much of an impact this episode was for me. Do you have general thoughts? Like, did you enjoy the episode? I mean, it hit you in the feels too, right? Yeah.

[00:05:17] No, I really did like this episode for sure. But yeah, it was another emotional, emotionally heavy episode after last week. It was some different ways that, yeah, without getting too much into it, we'll talk about it at the points.

[00:05:33] But yeah, there was definitely some really good emotional stuff that wasn't just like sad or hard to watch, but like was kind of cathartic in some places and really like advanced some characters forward in really big ways.

[00:05:47] So I think it was very important episode and I'm excited to see where things go from here. Agreed, agreed. Well, with that being said, because I know we've got some things to say about it. Let's kick off with your first point of the evening.

[00:06:04] All right, before I get to that first point, I was going to go ahead and mark down a thought I realized something over this past week, a correction to something I said last week. Oh, okay.

[00:06:14] Where I said Amy Donald, who was the girl who played the wolf boy that was stabbed and died in this episode. I mentioned that she played the mockingbird. That was not true. It was Maya the monkey. I got those confused for some reason.

[00:06:29] She was the monkey girl, which makes more sense of the movements and stuff, I'm sure. So like, yeah, so a little self correction that I got like the names mixed up. So Maya was the monkey. She was. But yeah, so that was who that was.

[00:06:41] But it was just like, I threw it like credited her to a wrong character for some reason. But uh, but yeah, so that's Maya and was like, Oh, yeah, the M one. I was like, no, the monkey obviously. Appreciate the correction.

[00:06:53] Yeah, I remember she's she's well, they were all adorable. The kids were all just so adorable. I hope really, really hope we get to see them again. You know, here at the end. I don't know. But that'd be great. All right. Kick us off first. All right.

[00:07:11] First one, uh, really quick and short one because the other ones are I've got a lot more to say, but this one just really quick. And it's more of just like kind of a question or see if like, was anybody else is confused

[00:07:23] or can like maybe I can talk this out with you. Timeline of the boat was confusing to me. I wasn't exactly sure because we see, you know, the whale song, the boat here apparently took off an hour before Gus and everybody showed up at Nags Reef.

[00:07:43] That's what Coral had said was that, Oh, they just left about an hour ago. And yet I don't know how long it took them to refurbish this boat and get everything ready. But it didn't seem like it was like an overnight thing.

[00:07:55] Like they got it done in a day and then took off that day because what Rosie and Tex and the boys were on the road after them that same day. So it doesn't seem like it was that long.

[00:08:05] And yet, you know, they got the boat, the whale song got out in the water. If they left like an hour before then. And then that night had this huge super spreader party.

[00:08:19] And then they all got and then if you look at the captain's log and what he had wrote, like they all got sick and then had died by the next afternoon by like three or four afternoon, early evening the next day, except for Darwin.

[00:08:33] And then Gus and the guys show up on the boat the next night. Like it was so then I was like, when did their little boat leave the shore? And how long were they rowing before they caught up to it?

[00:08:44] Because it's like based off of that timeline, it's like was Jepperd sitting there rowing an entire night and then an entire other day and then into the next night before they reached the ship, like did more time pass than I thought it was.

[00:08:55] There's like a whole extra day in there somewhere with the timeline of the captain's log and the party and everybody getting sick and stuff. So I was a little confused. And we see the flowers.

[00:09:04] I mean, I think we mentioned season one, they grow really fast, but still like to be as much as there was like, were they that fast or how long did it take them to actually reach that ship?

[00:09:14] It seems like a weird timeline thing that was a little confused in. But yeah. Katie Grant I really wish I had some clarification there for you, but I don't because I was confused as well.

[00:09:29] It was not clear when we get the information, the whale song left an hour ago, and Coral says that. And then they start working on the boat, get it, quote, seaworthy. And then start rowing.

[00:09:49] I do think at least from when they first see the whale song in the previous episode, it alludes to like when they got out to the water, and of course, they're being chased, and they're having to leave in a hurry.

[00:10:06] It seems kind of late-ish afternoon, just looking at where the sun is kind of sitting. I'm like, oh, it looks like it maybe took them all day to be able to do that.

[00:10:16] So then when they get out to the water, it's late afternoon, gets dark, and then they see the boat at night. Now, how long were they rowing in the dark? Was it all night? I don't know.

[00:10:28] I mean, obviously, they had some catching up because, I mean, it's a boat with an engine, and they're rowing on a freaking dinghy in the ocean. It's not clear. And then as far as like how quickly the people on the boat got sick, I can only attribute

[00:10:46] that to because it's the doomsday strain. And I know that they're kind of feeding us that information really quickly as far as how fast it is. Like Singh was telling us that a few episodes ago. Humans have days, maybe weeks with this new strain.

[00:11:05] So I think they were trying to establish that that happens really fast because I know that was like a question like, whoa, they just have that party and then they're already dead like that night? Because it seemed to be almost that same night.

[00:11:16] But it's really unclear how that timeline from the time that they get on their little dinghy and find the boat. That to me is also pretty vague. I think we have to just let that go.

[00:11:31] I'm not going to let myself get hung up on it, but it was enough for I was like, when Gus is like reading the log out and it's like, it's like an entire day has gone by. Like how long did it take them to get here?

[00:11:41] Yeah, I don't know. That's a lot of freaking rowing out there in the ocean. Yeah, I don't know. We're just it's it feels and I'm not trying to say in a bad way, bad way by referencing this, but a little like Game of Thrones season eight.

[00:12:02] Yeah, I get that where you just just moving things along. Yeah, we got to get there. We got to, you know, instead of taking weeks to get somewhere, you're there in like a day or two, you know? Yeah. Spoiler alert.

[00:12:16] I hope that doesn't like spoil anyone on anything. But things moved a little fast. Yeah, there's a few things like that. I mean, we got like a yeah, I guess it's connected to another point. But yeah, I can mention it because, uh, because what was I gonna say?

[00:12:31] I just blinked. I'll find it. Oh, yeah. So the the sick itself and like how it's transferable, then I was like, is it only transferable through bodies? And like people who are sick then? Because there's like, does it not like like another virus?

[00:12:48] Does it not linger in the air on surfaces where it's not like a deep clean kind of thing? Because it seems like the second that Gus dumps the last body, Darwin's like, okay, I'm good.

[00:12:56] And then it's like, oh, we can let Jep and sing out and they're fine. Like, it's like there's no in between times, like as long as there's not a body there, then the sick is just gone.

[00:13:04] Like, I don't know if that's been something that was established before or, or what? Yeah, because I thought it was, uh, I mean, I get having to get rid of the flowers because

[00:13:14] the flowers do seem to have something to do with the sick and can make, make you sick, I guess. Yeah, so there's another one that was like, I guess we just write that and just move things along.

[00:13:27] We don't want to have time to like, oh, we got to decontaminate the whole ship and wait a week and then do it's like, we don't have time for that. So the bodies are gone, the sick is gone.

[00:13:34] Because I was thinking like what season one Abbott and his men or whatever, like they burned that whole house down because one person was sick that was in there. So like, contaminant wise, like I think it's not been established that it's just like, oh, bodies are gone.

[00:13:47] The sick is gone. Maybe Gus went around the ship with a can of Lysol and we just didn't see it. They cut that out. Yeah. Him just walking around with bandana on his face and some Lysol wipes and a little spray and he's like, all right, we're good.

[00:14:02] He's opening windows, letting it air out. He's, he's doing the quick wipe down. I have to, I have to throw out some laughable things because otherwise I'll just cry about the whole thing. It's still so fresh. Pardon the bad jokes.

[00:14:23] No, but I know, I think that's a good point because it's, it's hard to try to keep following and I mean, I know that we have to try to let things go, but sometimes it's hard to be like now, wait a minute, what?

[00:14:33] You know, how did we get there so fast? What's this timeline? How long were they on that, you know, rowing in the boat versus how long was the whale song out there and trying to like marry up the timelines.

[00:14:45] But I guess we just have to, I keep telling myself, like, just don't think about it too hard and just try to think of where we are in the story and what needs to happen, you know, to get everyone there. Yep.

[00:14:59] And then like a random little thing, just because I noticed the captions, I always do my second watch with the captions on just so I get exact dialogue and don't miss certain things. And they, the captions exact precise wording when they get onto the boat and it's like

[00:15:12] all like dead, you know, nobody's there. And the captions say ship bells tolling. And I was like, that's ominous. Um, I usually don't see something like that, but it gives this like clear reference to me of like for whom the bell tolls kind of vibes.

[00:15:25] I was just like, I don't know if they chose that word on purpose for that reason, but it was, it really fit the situation. It was like, oh man. I had the same thought. Great minds, Pete. Yeah. I was like, this is very ominous. Yeah.

[00:15:41] Um, well, while we're talking about the whale song and our group joining, uh, you know, everyone else on the boat, um, for better or worse, uh, it, it made me question because we got this cold open showing, uh, everyone there on the boat and the captain giving a

[00:16:01] speech, uh, and them having this little party. And I'm like, was it really full to the brim is what Coral said. Right. It didn't look like it was. I'm thinking, you know, everyone's like, it's like standing room only or something like

[00:16:17] everyone is just packed on the deck or, you know, really sandwiched in the rooms or something. Uh, so that was confusing. I was like, I don't know. I think they had a little space left. I think they were going to be okay.

[00:16:31] However, seeing as how what happened, it seems like it was a good thing that they didn't get to the boat in time. Um, definitely wouldn't have ended well, at least for the humans, um, on board.

[00:16:45] Um, but seeing them board the ship and then of course, you know, they're like, well, whether we like it or not, we're stuck because then their dinghy of course is really, uh, just given, given up and it's sinking.

[00:16:59] And, you know, I think we all probably felt in that moment, like, yep, something is really wrong. You know, all the, you know, the lights are still on. The party streamers are still kind of up. I mean, you can tell the winds gotten to them a little bit.

[00:17:11] The, the, uh, music was still playing and in the cold open when they kept showing that lady in the green hat, I was like, there's something about her, you know, that it was a little obvious the way that they kept showing her, uh, in all the shots.

[00:17:27] And I was like, something's, something's up with that lady in the green hat. Don't know what it is until we found out later than that everyone was sick. Um, so, you know, they, when Jep goes to find out what's wrong and then he, he finds out

[00:17:41] like what happened or that realizes that the sick is on the ship and then they run to go, um, to, to a safe space, um, just what having to watch Jep and Sing argue.

[00:17:55] And I'm sure that's, I mean, I've got more to say about that, but, you know, it was just upsetting that they just kept arguing and I was getting really frustrated. Um, because the two people who are supposed to be the adults can not stop yelling long enough.

[00:18:13] And then Gus ends up taking charge, like he's watching them both and he's, you know, he's just like a tennis match, you know, looking at them both and he's reacting and you know,

[00:18:23] he doesn't like it because, I mean, he, I know that he still has certain feelings towards Sing, but I think he, he understands that he needs to continue the journey with them. Like for some reason he is believing that he needs to be a part of the journey.

[00:18:37] He needs to come to Alaska with them, but he does love and care for Jep. So, you know, and, you know, as a kid, it's never enjoyable. Um, and it's always really difficult when you're around any adults that are fighting, you know, when you're a kid.

[00:18:52] So he steps up and takes charge and locks them in that room and then tells them, like, you know, try not to kill each other. JARED I love that. KRISTINA I know! JARED There's some arguing, he's like, just very cheeky,

[00:19:05] just like, try not to kill each other while I'm gone. Like, he's like, let me go handle the actual important stuff. I'm, I'm the adult here now. Okay. KRISTINA I loved that because then, and I know we're

[00:19:18] going to talk more about it, I know we're both going to have points and more things to say about what else happens after that moment when he, when he goes out into the boat. But that was just that first step.

[00:19:28] And, you know, Singh's been kind of trying to tell Jep, you know, for a while, like, you can't protect him forever, you know? And you always want to protect, you know, your kids or, you know, surrogate kids, you

[00:19:44] know, whomever you, you know, in that kind of like parent-child relationship or young person that, you know, you're trying to protect and take care of. But at certain points, you have to, you know, at least in this kind of situation, you know,

[00:19:58] you have to kind of let them grow up a little. JARED Yeah. KRISTINA And I like that Singh was able to see that, but, you know, obviously it took Jep a little bit. So, it was good to see that first step.

[00:20:12] And, you know, we've talked a lot about Gus and his journey into, you know, growing up and maturing more and being exposed to more. And I like how he just really took charge of the situation. I was really proud of him in that moment. JARED It's my boy.

[00:20:28] KRISTINA I know! Our sweet little Gus. Yeah. So, I just wanted to kind of talk about that when, you know, this whole situation of like, you know, yay, we're here, we made it to the boat.

[00:20:41] Oh, you know, and not working out, which I had a feeling that it wasn't going to. You know, because it can't all go to plan. But I was really proud of Gus in this moment, that he was just really like, you know, he was being the adult.

[00:21:01] JARED Yeah. KRISTINA What's your next point? JARED All right. I'll add to what you were talking about there a little bit, my next one. This one's another quick one. And then my last two are the bigger ones. But yeah, it's just Jep vs. Sing. Round two. Fight. Just...

[00:21:19] KRISTINA No kidding. JARED ...continuing it on, like you said. The language on this show is usually pretty tame with just like a couple little things thrown out here and there. But I took note of this episode for sure.

[00:21:30] I was like, man, when Jep and Sing are arguing, it's like, it seems like they're having a contest on who can say the word shit the most while arguing. I was like, man, it's everywhere. This is shit. What shit? That shit you did is bullshit. KRISTINA Bullshit.

[00:21:45] JARED It's like, okay. It's like every line when they're yelling at each other has that word in it somewhere. And I was like, yeah. KRISTINA Yep. JARED And then we see Sing... mostly it's Sing just like picking at Jep.

[00:22:03] And I don't really know what his endgame there was exactly. He's just being such a dick to him about his health and his relationship to Gus and this kind of thing that they've got.

[00:22:13] And then also, you know, just needling at him like, you know, are you going to be able to make it? Can you handle it anymore? Your body's giving out on you. I'm going to be there whenever you're not.

[00:22:22] And then I'll be the one to take care of Gus because you can't handle it. And it's like, what are you doing? Why are you... You should be trying. He's an ally.

[00:22:29] Whether you like each other or not, you're both on the same mission to get this kid to a place to save the world. That's what you think you're doing. So why are you taking somebody who is still capable as an ally and as a friend and can

[00:22:41] help you accomplish this goal and just being an asshole to him? KRISTINA I know. JARED And just like needling and picking at him. It's like, I don't know exactly what his endgame was. And then of course, when Jep like snaps on him, that's when...

[00:22:56] like, was he trying to make a point? I'm not sure exactly what he's doing. But then he talks about that moment in the elevator back in the hospital, which jaw drop moment. Like I should have remembered it, but I didn't.

[00:23:09] Because I remember even us talking the past couple of weeks about like, oh yeah, Jep and Sing have never met. You know? And then I had completely forgotten about them crossing paths in season one. And I was like, oh my God, that's right.

[00:23:24] We had Jep was like scared of what was going on. And he basically was like, he says he hesitated in this episode, but he was more like willing to just abandon his family, his wife and his child and just walk out on them.

[00:23:35] He's like, nope, I can't handle this. I'm not I'm not fit for this. And then when he gets in the elevator and Sing comes in and convinces him to go back, even though it was too late when he does.

[00:23:45] So they had met before, but Jep didn't remember or realize. Somehow Sing did remember and like through all of that with their cross, their paths crossing then, and then everything that's led to with Jep going and like, redeeming himself

[00:23:58] because of that situation by finding Gus and taking care of Gus. Like all of it has just continuing to affirm and build this belief in fate that Sing has adapted or adopted. But like that he's, you know, all of these little things like Sing's almost going like

[00:24:13] conspiracy theory board on the wall and his brain, you know, a little bit where he's just like, because of this, we connected here. And I remember all of this and all these pieces have come together. And that's why we're exactly where we're at supposed to be right now.

[00:24:24] And it's which then kind of makes me questions like, OK, well, if Jep is such a big part of all this plan, then why are you being addicted? Like, you should let him be helping you. And I will say as much of an asshole as Sing can be.

[00:24:40] One thing I do really like about him that shines in this episode and I admire about it is this confidence that he has in Gus through everything. Where he's like, Gus can handle it. I knew he could. He's fine. He's going to be fine.

[00:24:55] He's got this let Gus handle it. Let him choose. He's in control. We should put our trust in him. We've gotten this far. Now it's his turn. Like Sing is very much in camp Gus and gives him a lot of agency and a lot of control and

[00:25:07] things and trusts him and has confidence in him. And I like that. 100% agree with everything that you just said. This was also a very small point on my side. But just to add to that, I'm so glad that you noticed it, too, and also questioned it.

[00:25:27] The constant prodding that Sing was doing at Jep. I'm like, you guys are literally locked into a room now with each other. You've made it onto this boat. You're getting one step closer to accomplishing this goal and getting Gus where he needs to be.

[00:25:48] Can we please move on? Why are you at him about his health? You're not going to make it. Are you sure you're okay? I don't know. You've got a lot of injuries. All those things that you just said.

[00:26:00] And I'm like, why do you have to keep rubbing it in that Jep might not make the trip? Because as much as what Sing keeps saying to Jep about, well, you can't hurt me because Gus wouldn't like that. And so he feels protected in that way.

[00:26:18] But at the same time, Gus also cares for Jep. I don't think it would appreciate you picking at him the way that you are. He wants you guys to get along. So like I was saying earlier, Gus was being the only freaking adult in those few moments.

[00:26:39] And I'm like, geez. But then I did appreciate the softer moment when they had that real connection when he brought up that, hey, we met before and it was there in the hospital, bringing up this really pivotal moment for Jep in his life.

[00:26:58] And I was like, oh, yeah, like you. I totally forgot because I have not done any rewatches prior to this. So that was like a little moment for me to remember that, like, oh, that's right.

[00:27:11] And they kind of connected because Sing was like, that was a hard day for me too. I lost my wife that day too. I just didn't realize it until later. So I was glad maybe they needed to.

[00:27:23] Maybe they just still had a little bit of the aggression to get out towards each other and just get that out of their system. And I'm really hoping that now that now they've got it out, they've had that moment of connection.

[00:27:35] Jep finally sees that, you know, like stop treating Gus like the little kid that he is, like give him, you know, like you were saying that Sing gives him, give him that agency, see him for who he's becoming. Yeah.

[00:27:54] You know, and who he's growing up to be and give him the space to do that, you know, versus trying to like hold him back. I get it, you know, when, you know, you want to protect, but sometimes it's not always in a good way, you know? Yeah.

[00:28:11] So good, good moment between those two things seem to be a little chill there by the time they got up in the, you know, out of that room. Yeah. Hopefully, like you said, we're moving on past that now.

[00:28:23] I think, you know, at the end of this episode, having Sing test Jep's blood and the way he's like, you know, good news, Mr. Jepperd, you are sick free. And it's almost like Sing is even saying it with this kind of like happiness or relief that like,

[00:28:37] you're going to make it, you're okay. Like, it seems like things are patching up between them now. And I hope we're done with this just like weird bickering at each other's throats, kind of moving forward from here. Hopefully, that is the last of that. Yeah.

[00:28:51] I mean, you can still like if Jep still wants to somewhat be untrustworthy of him, or if he's still got some feelings towards him, or even if Sing is still, you know, internalizing, you know, something towards Jep, at least can you just like, shut up about it?

[00:29:08] And just, you know, like, neither one of you, at least for the moment are going anywhere. You're both, you know, on the same mission. And you both care about Gus. Let's focus on that. Why do we have to keep, you know, it's not getting anywhere.

[00:29:23] But we wouldn't have anything to talk about. And there wouldn't be that drama if we didn't. So there's that. Well, that was one of my points too. So I was just adding on to what you had already mentioned, which was really great, by the way.

[00:29:41] Why don't you go ahead along with your next point? All right. Another matchup, another fight on the match card tonight. It's like some kind of UFC pay-per-view or something. You know? For the next round. Oh yeah. The next match on the card, Zhong versus Becky. Oh boy.

[00:30:02] And just everything going on there at the house. And I've included some stuff about Jordan as well, unless that's like a separate point you have, then we can hold off on that. But just a little bit of notes with him as well.

[00:30:13] But yeah, we're kind of seeing the aftermath of Becky's self-defense with the wolf boy. And of course, you know, Rosie reacting to that. And then we see Becky waking up and as we were talking about last week,

[00:30:24] and as you pointed out, Becky immediately, like the first thing she says to Rosie is like, I didn't know he was a hybrid. And yeah, because I think it would have been a little different if she would have known or realized it first.

[00:30:34] But as they're kind of having that moment, which Rosie's still like, I mean, knife to Becky's throat, like what should stop me from hurting you? She's pissed, which as a mother she should be that she has that right. I get it.

[00:30:48] But then they're having that kind of face off and then great freaking Zhong herself shows up. Rosie can't get any kind of relief away from this. So Zhong shows up with some of her men, including the return of Jordan. Yeah, I didn't know we'd see him again.

[00:31:09] Yeah, I remember making a prediction last season that we might see him again, slighted by Becky and being coming like a villain, you know, figure in this season. And I guess I was kind of right. I don't know to what extent, like at least in this episode,

[00:31:23] I don't know if we'll continue to see him. But yeah, we did see him again. And he's on the side of Zhong, which talk a little bit more about him in a minute.

[00:31:31] But yeah, so Becky and Zhong have this meeting at the table and she's just trying to get information out of her of where did Gus go and we can use you to help find him. And it's very tense.

[00:31:45] While they're sitting at their table, I was like, yeah, evil person or not, you should eat some of that cornbread because how often are you going to really get any good food at all, but especially award winning cornbread.

[00:31:57] And then I was like, dang, now I really want some cornbread, especially some stuff from my friend's restaurant here in town. He makes incredible cornbread. Oh my gosh, I haven't had good cornbread in a while. So yeah, I get it.

[00:32:07] Oh, but yeah, as they're talking, we see that Zhong has done her research somehow. She knows exactly who Bear is really digging at her about, you know, her family and her past and the animal army and all the things that she's done.

[00:32:22] I'm like, but don't feign caring about your quote unquote grandson out there. No kidding. You don't give a shit. Don't act like you do. But we, you know, learn that Zhong knows everything about Becky except one thing. It seems that she is unaware of Wendy and their connection.

[00:32:41] I don't think she is. And I don't think that she, I think what's clear that she doesn't know about Wendy is because I think she'd be pulling that string and trying to play that card if she had it. 20%. Oh yeah. She'd definitely be like using her as leverage.

[00:32:56] Yeah. Cause if she wants Becky to help her find Gus one way or another, like she would use that bond line with, with Wendy to do that. Um, now she does use a familiarity or bond to get to Becky with Jordan. Again, we'll talk about that.

[00:33:12] Although it's like, I don't know if she should have trusted him. You know, he, he was quite vengeful last time we see him, if I remember right. Like she jumped right back into trusting him pretty quick, but yeah.

[00:33:23] Oh, but yeah, but I don't think she knows about Becky cause she says, oh, we are, you know, the one thing you've been wanting your whole time is a family and then offers herself and

[00:33:33] her people as some twisted form of that, that she doesn't know that Becky already did find family literally and figuratively. But I guess like the whole blood is thicker than water thing. They're like, yeah, what she has found is family.

[00:33:47] She's underestimating the bond that she has with Gus and even Jepperd at this point. I mean, it used to be Becky versus Jep a lot. Like they were at each other's throats for a lot of season two or like season one.

[00:33:59] Uh, and now like their bond is so strong and I don't think Zhang really understands those kinds of bonds really. Um, she ain't got nobody that loves her, which it's her fault. Yeah. It's all fear with her. Yeah. There's no love. Yeah.

[00:34:17] Then Becky gets just slightly problematic by bringing up that like, oh, the only way to really fulfill some sense of family is you gotta have kids Becky. It's like, okay. Oh my gosh. Shut up. Uh, but yeah, I mentioned that quote.

[00:34:31] I love Becky's correcting Zhang on the blood is thicker than water quote, which yeah, because the, a lot of people don't know that or realize that a lot of people use that quote wrong. Uh, Becky was correct in that. Yeah.

[00:34:43] The actual code is the blood of the covenant is thicker than, uh, the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb, which yeah, that's the opposite of what most people think it is that chosen bonds are more important and significant than the happenstance bonds

[00:34:59] of family. Uh, it's kind of similar to the friends are the family you choose for yourself, uh, idea. Um, and it's just a little, not really soapbox, but just like PSA for those who might need it.

[00:35:11] It's a reminder for people who are in bad home situations or relationships with family that, you know, if you're in a kind of situation with family that you're not accepted for who you are or you're treated poorly, or it's a dangerous situation, like it's okay to leave

[00:35:24] and get out. You don't owe those people anything because simply you're related by blood. That doesn't matter. Like find the people who actually take care of you and are there for you. That chosen that chosen family is, is honestly stronger in a lot of ways. Um, Preach. Yeah.

[00:35:43] Yeah. I'm with you. But yeah. So Jordan, uh, is the way that, that Jean finally gets to like, damn you. Uh, of course, Becky, you didn't have to tell him about Alaska. I mean, I'm not here to like victim shame a little bit, but like really?

[00:36:00] I don't know. But I will say Jordan as a character himself is a really great actor because even on first watch he had me completely fooled. It was a really good double fake out where it's like, oh, he's in there to enact his

[00:36:13] revenge on Becky, but then instead he chokes the guy out and he's like helping her escape. And you're like, oh, maybe he's still good. And then boom, floodlights. You're like, damn, got me again. He fooled me too.

[00:36:23] Um, but I was surprised at how easy, you know, she was like, yeah, going to Alaska to get, get his mom. Here's the whole mission. Yeah. What? You haven't even made it out of the house yet.

[00:36:37] At least like feel it out a little bit, at least be a little bit suspicious, you know? Right. It's like, man, that's, she was not thinking very clearly there. I did have a funny little thought or question.

[00:36:48] It's like, was the other guard that was in that room in on it? Like, I figure like he probably would be, but also kind of what we know of Zhang. I wouldn't put it past her just to not tell him and be like, Jordan, just choke him out

[00:37:00] for real for the hell of it. Yeah. I wondered that too. I was like, how many people were in on it? Did that guard know? Was it just like a fake choke out? Right. Yeah. I don't know. It, I don't know.

[00:37:11] It was hard to tell because they did have me fooled. I didn't, I didn't expect him to turn around like that and, you know, act like he was gonna whisker away and help her escape.

[00:37:25] Lastly, with Zhang's stuff, the bounty hunter in Alaska that we saw was now 100% confirmed one of Zhang's guys. And then when Zhang reaches out, she gets Sienna instead, which then she's like, oh, you know, Alaska seems to be a popular place. Everybody's up there.

[00:37:42] And so I, again, question, so Zhang has not made the Birdie-Gus connection? Is that something she doesn't realize? Because I assume not or else she'd probably like, I would think she'd maybe already know that Alaska is where he was headed if she knew about the Birdie connection.

[00:37:59] I was confused too. I was like, if then, like, if you were after Birdie, um, then she must not have known about the connection because why wouldn't you put that together? Jared Yeah. Kirsten That if you knew about

[00:38:13] Birdie and Gus and who Gus was to Birdie and that relationship between them two, like she claims to know all these other things she knew that much about Becky. Like, you don't know that about Gus or about Birdie. Jared Right.

[00:38:24] Kirsten Because if she did, then she should have already known where he was going. Jared Yeah. Kirsten So I was confused about that too. Then how does she know about Birdie then? Or what does she know about her? Jared Yes.

[00:38:35] So what, why is she sending bounty hunters after Birdie? She doesn't know that connection. What's the other, just somebody who's doing research? Kirsten Like trying to find a cure and she wants

[00:38:46] to get a hold of her to help her in her cause of bringing people back, you know, getting some kind of cure to stop hybrid birth. I don't know. I'm confused about that. But clearly she doesn't have all the information because why didn't you know about that?

[00:39:03] Miss know it all. Jared Right. Kirsten Oh, I hate that woman. I hate her so much. I just so much anger. Jared Especially the end of the episode, just the way she's like, we're taking Becky because she can still be of use.

[00:39:15] And then the way she just like, leave him. He's going to drag us down talking about the one of the wolf boys there, which was like, fuck you, Zach. And then also Rosie, like, I was mad at Rosie in that moment, because it's like you could

[00:39:28] have like, yeah, it would take some guts. But you already were making that choice to step away from your mother. But now that she's here, you can't like, look her in the face and cut ties.

[00:39:40] Like, you're just going to go right back to the ways you could have changed course for you and your boys. But instead, you choose your terrible mother once again, and just put the kid down and take off with the rest.

[00:39:50] Like, yeah, you can tell, like, she's like, sad about it. And it's like hard for her to do, but she didn't have to do it. Like, you can say no. I was also very upset with her.

[00:40:03] I was, you know, remember last week we were talking like, oh, maybe there's a redemption arc in way for Rosie. Maybe there still is, but it's getting harder to see with each episode. Yeah, I don't know if you want to go into that conversation or not.

[00:40:19] Because that's going to be hard for me to talk about. This was a very difficult episode. Every time I thought, you know, okay, this was the rough patch of the episode. Then boom, there was another thing. And then boom, there was another thing.

[00:40:34] And it was just like kept getting hit and hit and hit over and over again. And it was rough, to say the least. But yeah, screw Zhang. I want the worst death for her. I need her to go out in a terrible, terrible way.

[00:40:54] A long, painful, suffering way. Because she has to go. We just need one of those wolf kids to like, have some kind of motor skills. Hopefully one of them like, you know, turns and is like nicer and like becomes more human-like.

[00:41:11] And then he turns around and uses that freaking stem cell extractor thing we saw on Zhang or something. Seems pretty dark for a show like this. But you know what? I'll take it at this point. Like you said, go for it.

[00:41:24] You know, pig, we're already in the dark place. I don't know how much darker the show can go after this episode. This is rough. Yeah, I was talking about the language in this show. I don't know if they've ever dropped an F-bomb on this show.

[00:41:39] I can't, not that I can think of. I'm not sure. But if there's one, if they get one, that's the place to do it. Like I said, you get one of those wolf kids going to use that extractor and just like, fuck you, grandma. Boom.

[00:41:51] Yeah, I don't know if they've, I don't know. I've never not done like kept track or anything. But I feel like there, and yes, there is language in this show. But I still feel like there's still like young adults, young teens watching the show.

[00:42:06] It's more that PG-13 kind of slot where. Yeah. Although I don't know some of the content, like I said, this episode was pretty damn dark. I feel like there's, I don't know, like, I don't know. I'd be afraid for someone too young watching it. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:42:23] Becky was, I was just trying to think of like, how am I going to even put any thoughts together? I really, I definitely feel for her. She's in a hard situation. You know, she's got to be stressed because she knows that Wendy's out there somewhere.

[00:42:35] And I know that she like talked about, oh, well, I was adopted and my parents told me I was going to have a little sister. And I'm like, hey, you know, I'm not going to have a little sister.

[00:42:45] And I'm like, hey, you know, you don't have to give her too much, you know? Because I don't want her to, you know, you don't want her to think that she's out there somewhere. You don't want someone looking for her or anything like that.

[00:42:57] Because yeah, you know, if, if Zhang knew that, you know, Wendy was out there, that would be all that she would need to try to get Becky to talk is to, you know, threaten any harm towards Wendy. And, you know, nobody wants that.

[00:43:13] So, but I was just like, is this your first day? You're just dropping, dropping information like so soon. I was really disappointed, but I don't know, you know, this whole episode. Where did all those military tactics that she's been focusing on for so long go?

[00:43:29] Oh my gosh, I know everything out the window. Like she was like, you're not going to get me to talk. You're not going to get me to talk. And when one escape attempt and she's like, we're going to Alaska. Oh my gosh.

[00:43:41] I mean, the whole episode that was full of impossible choices. And, and, you know, like you said, try not to like victim blame or anything in her, you know, being in her shoes and all, but it was just like, oh my gosh.

[00:43:55] She's she's given it up and given her exactly what she wanted. And who knew Zhang had a freaking plane? A freaking cargo plane. Like nobody heard that plane. Like she just, cause I was like, how the hell did she get here so fast?

[00:44:12] Like she had to be in fricking Texas and she gets from Texas to fricking what are they? Aren't they in like Washington or something? Yeah. I mean, I assume it's right there. Yeah. Like Oregon or something. What?

[00:44:26] And even in a plane, how did she get there so fast? I don't know. And then like, how did she know exactly where to show up? I don't know. Just so many things. What is happening? But it was really frustrating because it's like, why?

[00:44:41] Cause it seemed like the last episode, Rosie was like, here, text, take the truck, go home. She smashes the phone. Like she's cutting ties. She's like, I think we're going to hang out here for a little while. And then, yeah, like her mom shows up and.

[00:44:59] She could have said no. I don't know. I don't know. Just. All right. Let's talk about, is it my turn? Yes. Okay. Cause I could just go on a tangent and I don't think it's going to make any damn sense. I'm just, I'm mad.

[00:45:17] Like I said, it's, this is all still too fresh with me. I probably shouldn't even be podcasting on this tonight. It's still too fresh. I need time to settle down. Well, let's talk about our dear guest, Gus, sorry. Um, and watching him in this episode, this watching him.

[00:45:40] And how much he had to grow up in this episode. Yeah. So like a proud, but also really sad, you know, as I'm watching him, I'm so, so proud to see

[00:45:52] who he's growing up to be like in that moment with Jeff and saying like, you know, I'm locking y'all in here. Y'all are acting fools. I'm going to go take care of this, you know?

[00:46:02] And he's, he's being the mature one, you know, when he's, he's the little kid. And it's so sad to see what he had to go through in this episode. I mean, he's already been through so much.

[00:46:15] We've talked about it so many times in other episodes, how much he's had to go through in his short little life and the things that he has been put through and the losses he's

[00:46:24] had to suffer, um, you know, at the hands of people who, you know, should have cared about him or should have protected him. Um, you know, being like experimented on just all these things that he's, that he's been through.

[00:46:37] And he said so, you know, uh, so much in the, in the short time. And so he's going through the ship and, you know, after, um, getting to talk with Darwin, who he, you know, comes to learn he's the last survivor.

[00:46:52] He was the first mate and that's a whole other conversation about Darwin. But you know, when they come to this agreement, he's like, will you help me if I clear the ship?

[00:47:01] If I continue with the captain was doing and I can clear the sick again, a little confused at how that does like keep the sick off the ship or now that it's just gone, it doesn't seem to linger or anything like that, but we're going with it.

[00:47:16] So yeah, we're just going to go with it. And he, he puts himself in a position where he is kind of at risk because we know that those flowers can affect Gus, you know, in a negative way.

[00:47:29] Like given like these weird hallucinations and stuff, and then even in a high enough dosage can just like shut his body down. Yeah. Yeah. It's scary for him. And he's so many things, like I said, so proud, um, that he was willing to put himself, you

[00:47:47] know, because even though he can't get, he can't get the sick, he is still at risk being exposed to those flowers. And there is certainly enough of them on this boat in a very short amount of time. A lot of those have grown.

[00:48:00] And so he's tasked with the job of clearing those out and also clearing out the people that have died. So he's put himself at risk, but he's, you know, moving along, clears out the flowers,

[00:48:13] but then he gets to a point where he's then, you know, comes across the people that have died and he comes across, um, you know, the father and son. Again, they were shown quite a lot in that cold open too. Yeah.

[00:48:27] And so we see them, you know, that they have died in their bed. And when he realizes that when he comes across this father and son, you know, all you got to imagine all the thoughts that are running through.

[00:48:40] And I mean, I feel like it just plays right there on his face. You know, you can see those emotions and the thoughts in his head and you know, he's got to be thinking of his papa. Yeah. I had that same thought.

[00:48:50] Again, to speak to the prowess of young Christian Convery that like, I basically saw flashbacks without any being shown, like just that face. I was like, I know exactly what's running through his head.

[00:49:03] And on Second Watch, I noticed there was a lot of, even before that, the father son, memories of pub stuff was really playing on him like this whole episode when he finds that watch and it was like, you know, to my boy.

[00:49:18] And there's like, there's like this connection there. And then later on when he's reading the captain's log and realizes Darwin and Captain Stafford had like a father son relationship and talking to him about that, like then it's in his head.

[00:49:30] And then it's when he finds Justin and his dad and it's the outdoors. He types all the pictures, then camping and out in the national parks together. And then the slingshot and it's all, you just see it all coming back to him.

[00:49:46] In that moment when he just like, you know, slumps down on the bed and starts to cry. Holding that slingshot, yes. And I was like, talk about moments where I forget that it's a TV show for a few seconds.

[00:49:56] And my impulses just make me wish I could just like hug a fictional character so bad. Like my heart was like literally just aching in that moment for Gus, like caretaker and mentor senses kicked in. And I was like, I must comfort this poor child now.

[00:50:09] What is like, I need to help. I need to do something. Like it pained me watching that. You are 100% correct. I'm like tearing up just like recalling that from watching it the second time a little earlier today. But the exact same thing.

[00:50:25] I had the same thoughts was like, I forgot I was watching a TV show because he, that kid is so talented to be able to convey that because I was like the same thing. It's like, I totally forgot that I was watching a TV show.

[00:50:43] All I wanted to do was just, you know, the mom and me, I guess, just saw this little boy crying. And all I want to do is just like hug him and try to comfort him and say, it's going to be okay. It's going to be okay.

[00:50:54] It broke my heart to see him break down like that. And knowing everything that was going through his mind that he was thinking of his pub, the slingshot, you know, bringing all of that back to him.

[00:51:09] All the, you know, he lost his pub, the friends that he's lost along the way. And then finding the courage to keep doing what he needs to do because he tells Darwin, he's like, I can't do it. I thought I could and I can't do it.

[00:51:23] You know, he has a moment of self-doubt. But then thinking about, you know, the father and son relationships, which are definitely a theme throughout this series for sure. But now he's got Jep, who is like his surrogate father in this time.

[00:51:42] And he cares about him and he knows that if he can't clear out the sick, if they can't keep moving, if they can't, if he can't get through this, he's going to lose Jep too. Like, they're seeing firsthand, like, I mean, they've heard Singh talk about it.

[00:51:59] So it's like they know, but now he's literally being faced with it. Like, he's literally seeing people that have just died so, so fast. Like, he's reading that log and seeing those timestamps and how quickly it was spreading and how quickly people died.

[00:52:13] And he's like, I'm going to lose Jep. And he finds that courage within himself, you know, to do what he has to so he can save Jep or he's going to lose him too.

[00:52:25] So he powers through and when he's reading that journal and, you know, sees the story of the father and the son, like you said, their photos and their adventures together and the things that they did together, he's holding our sweet little dear boy Gus.

[00:52:42] He's holding these mini funerals for each person as he's wrapping them up and burying them at sea and promising to keep their stories alive. And, you know, he's saying to them, like, I'll remember you, you know, and he even says

[00:52:58] like, you know, well, I couldn't find a whole lot of information about you, but I'm going to remember you, you know, and all. Jared Yeah. Kirsten You know, and he's posting the pictures on the poster board or he's posting, you know, little trinkets or just whatever he's finding

[00:53:11] for each person and he just fills up that entire poster board. Jared Yeah. Kirsten You know, and he's just quietly eulogizing each of these people, giving them dignity, you know, saying he'll tell their stories and keep them alive in people's memories. And I just, I lost my shit.

[00:53:31] I couldn't contain it. It was hard, hard to get through and hard to see Gus have to go through that, but so proud of him at the same time. Jared Yeah, and because it was, it was really tough.

[00:53:41] But then, I don't know, I feel like it became kind of more empowering for him, like where he went from this moment of just like, just complete at a loss. And we already said, you know, I don't think I can do this anymore.

[00:53:55] And I mean, yeah, because right now, a lot of these things that are, you know, flooding back to him is the loss of his pubba and then it's hitting him. He's like, okay, I lost pubba. I can't lose my big man also. Like, that's not.

[00:54:06] And then so it is this like cathartic moment for him where instead of focusing on the loss of death, he chooses instead to focus on keeping people's memories alive. And that's where he builds that, you know, the wall, the photos and belongings and things.

[00:54:20] And it's, I feel like he kind of owns that fear of loss and then turns it into something more empowering. And, you know, he's like, there's this is something that is worth doing. And I have a mission, whether I succeed or fail.

[00:54:37] This is what I'm doing it for, is for people. And it's like, whether it's for their lives or for their memories, either way, I have to do everything I can. And I think that he really steps up.

[00:54:48] And again, it's like, I've been saying it even like season two and now into this one is like we are watching our boy grow up into the young man, the young stag that he should be, you know, that like, we're really seeing him.

[00:55:01] It's not just leadership that I've talked about a lot, but just emotional growth and maturity and really blossoming into a young man and like really finding who he is in the world and learning about responsibility and how much he can serve other people with things.

[00:55:21] And it's just a fictional character, but like we've gotten so invested in watching this show and talking about it every week, you know, with these that you do kind of like you've said, you feel like this sense of pride.

[00:55:33] Like, it's just like, yeah, it's just some fictional character in a show. But like, we've kind of been watching him grow up over the past number of years. And it's like, there's like this proud, like that's my boy. You know? It's true.

[00:55:47] Definitely for me, that was and like I said, just the talent coming out of him, like I said, that I could just forget that I'm watching a fictional show and that it's just a character on a screen.

[00:56:01] But knowing how, you know, invested that we've been with the story and how well he was able to get his emotions through the screen that for a minute, it was like, oh no, let me make you feel better. I'm so sorry.

[00:56:14] Let me help you and, you know, let me help you get through this. And it's like, hey, that's not real. Go touch grass, Reema. It's, you know, really, really super proud of him.

[00:56:29] You know, and that he was, you know, kind of carrying on what the narrator was talking about. I don't have his exact words in front of me, but you know, talking about like, you know,

[00:56:41] how do we, oh, it says we all want to be remembered in some way. The question is always how? How would we like to be remembered? By going gracefully into that good night or by carrying the weight of the world on your shoulders.

[00:56:54] However, it may be one thing is certain. We all want to know we left this world doing some good that our lives truly meant something is what they said in the cold open, of course, narrated by the great James Brolin. Pete Yes! Reema Yes!

[00:57:07] Reema Which is a really poignant message. You know, you don't realize it at the time, but until we get to this point and then you realize it, you know, and then it makes you think of like the impact that Gus is making. Pete Yeah.

[00:57:21] Reema You know, as well. And the stories that would be told about him. One day. Oh, that was a lot. I'm glad I got through that without crying on a podcast again. What is your next point?

[00:57:39] Pete That was actually the last point that I had as well was just talking about Gus and his mission here and then kind of just yeah, the arc and the thing that he goes through in this episode.

[00:57:49] So I talked about a lot but I'm sure I've got a couple other little notes in here. So I've got some stuff about Darwin and stuff in here as well. So I'll talk about how long had Darwin been trying to reach somebody on that walkie before Gus answered?

[00:58:02] I don't know. Um, which I think with Darwin, I'm not really sure why. Another thing that I was just like kind of questioning this episode is why they hid his face the whole episode until the end. Because it's not like it was like some big reveal or anything.

[00:58:20] Like for a second, it felt like it could be like, well, who is he? What's the connection? Is he going to be somebody from another episode, another pat? And it's like, oh, no, we saw him at the party at the beginning.

[00:58:28] He's the one that turned on the music. It's like, I don't know why they like kept his face reveal until the end. It's like, it's Yeah, it's the first mate. It's that guy. I don't know.

[00:58:37] I don't know because they didn't even say his name in the cold open. Right. Captain. He was like, Hey, DC, you know, get the get the tunes going, whatever it was that he said. Yeah, we saw his face. And it's like, so they didn't say Darwin.

[00:58:50] So we couldn't make that connection when he said his name on the walkie talkie like, Oh, hey, that was that guy in the cold open. That was him. So it felt like a weird, like non secret. Yeah, not necessary.

[00:59:04] But it was good that, you know, Gus lucked out getting in touch with him and because he's able to lead him to the bridge and then they start this process that gets to getting the engine turned back on.

[00:59:14] He gets, you know, he gives Gus this whole side quest of ridding the entire ship of all the flowers and the bodies. So a lot of the heavier stuff we've already talked about.

[00:59:23] So a lot of my notes I've got left on this are more just kind of like little things I notice those are quips or kind of things like Gus is getting real tired of people assuming he can't read. Yes, I can read.

[00:59:35] Like you could hear it in his voice. He was like, what's on the captain's log? He's like, you can't read right? And it's like the way that he delivered that he's like, yes, I can read.

[00:59:42] Like he said, he's like, why is like, why are you not the first person that's asked me that this week? Like, come on. Poor Gus. I'm a smart kid. Yeah, I talked about like the father son relationship stuff that keeps coming up.

[01:00:01] Then yeah, like this idea that Stafford shut the engine down because he's not going to let the ship reach the shore. So it doesn't spread the sick and Darwin wants to honor that.

[01:00:11] So that's what leads to Gus having to do this whole night of cleanup duty and burials at sea is so that we kind of make this deal. Like, well, if I can promise that there's no sick making its way to the shore, then we

[01:00:22] can get the ship moving. I can finish Stafford's work there. And so yeah, even whenever he, you see him kind of suiting himself up for this mission and knowing what he's about to have to do all night.

[01:00:34] It is kind of like what Sing mentioned to Jep, you know, that Gus is growing up and that night he definitely did a lot of that. And this episode was a really kind of a big so long to the innocent little boy.

[01:00:47] Like it's like, yeah, no, he's, this is a huge step for Gus. Yeah. But then, like I said, I don't think it was all tough for him. It was very tough for him and there was a lot of emotional journey, but I do think that

[01:00:59] he found a sense of catharsis through it. Um, let's see, I think I've talked mostly about that other than just kind of ending it with Darwin as I kind of feel, I felt like I figured when Darwin showed up that he was

[01:01:13] going to end up being sick even before that reveal. Uh, but it still sucked. Uh, you know, but he held on long enough to get the boat started, get them set on their

[01:01:23] course to Alaska and then just writes Gus that note and goes and, you know, joins his friends there at the end, which was really sad, but leaving us with Captain Gus. Yeah, that was another gut punch that, you know, because in this show and I mean, like

[01:01:43] so many others that we've watched and, you know, when you talked earlier about the message of blood being thicker than water, you know, in this short time, that was another relationship bonded between Darwin and Gus, you know, very much a short of time, not the deep relationship

[01:02:04] that he has with Jep or, you know, others, but still a bond and a connection between the two. There's some trauma bonding that whole night between the two of them for sure. Definitely some trauma bonding.

[01:02:17] So, but, you know, and, you know, they had a connection and a moment together and then he lost him too. And I just thought it was sad, just sad and needless, you know, all the death in this

[01:02:29] episode, you know, seeing, you know, all of these people who think that they are, you know, they're celebrating because they, you know, they think that they're safe and they should be, but someone happened to be sick among them, whether or not that person knew it, I don't know.

[01:02:47] But, you know, it was just kind of sad to think that, you know, hey, we're on the path, we're in a safe place, we're gonna make it, you know, and they didn't. And it just seemed like every time something, you know, good was coming, the rug gets pulled

[01:03:05] out from underneath you, you know, and, you know, when you think that, oh, there's gonna be a survivor, he's gonna be able to help them and, you know, help them, you know, run this boat and then that doesn't happen either. It was just, it was sad.

[01:03:20] Jared The show doesn't like to give us a lot of wins. Nicole No, I don't know what I was thinking, you know, because I was really hoping- Jared I will say though, yeah, it does make them that much more impactful and better when we do rarely get them.

[01:03:34] But yeah, we don't get a lot of them. Nicole Not very many wins. Yeah, that was rough. It was sad. I just, I thought I can't take any more, you know? Can't take any more gut punches in this episode. Any other notes?

[01:03:54] Jared I mean, yeah, that was my last point. I've got a few other little notes, but that was- So, are you done with points as well? You just got notes? Nicole I mean, most of my main points are covered.

[01:04:09] But I mean, we haven't really talked a whole lot about Rosie and what she did. Kind of glazed over it a little bit. And I don't, personally, I don't know that I'm gonna have all the words to really talk about it. I couldn't even write it down.

[01:04:24] I know that this episode, this whole series is full of impossible choices. And I was, you know, I know had some thoughts last week about Rosie, you know, when we learn that she's the mom to these hybrid wolf boys and what her situation was like and, you know,

[01:04:49] going back to her family. And, you know, I couldn't really come up with a, you know, is this, was it acceptable? Is it right? Is it wrong? You know, in judging her for her decision.

[01:05:01] And I just feel like it's in a completely impossible situation that she was put in. And I think regardless of my feelings about it, she was trying to survive by going back to her family, knowing that, you know, she's in this, the world that she's in, the world

[01:05:19] that's not friendly to hybrids at all. And maybe the evil, you know, is better than the evil that you don't. And that is why she went back to her mom, knowing that she was going to be in a horrible

[01:05:32] position, knowing that her children were going to be treated horribly, but they would still survive. Completely impossible situation. I'm certainly not justifying her or her decisions at all, but I'm trying to just wrap my brain around where she's at.

[01:05:49] But I was really, really shook that she did go back with her mom and it was so shocking and cold, you know, to see what she did to her son. I know that he was suffering, but I just don't understand this, just cannot wrap my brain

[01:06:10] around like you're leaving him, you know, in the grass outside. You couldn't carry him inside. You couldn't, you know, get him into a shelter. You can't get him in a comfortable place. You're telling me that, you know, your mom flies across the country in this huge plane

[01:06:28] and you don't have access to like a medical kit even? Pete Right. Kirsten You know, something, nobody has any medical skills at all, like even like a paramedic type level, a medic level, something to be able to try to stitch up this poor kid. Pete Right.

[01:06:44] But unfortunately, I think the way that we've seen Zhang painted, I can almost imagine that if that was to come up, hey, can we get some medical supplies? Can we get like a, you have like a surgeon on deck?

[01:06:56] Zhang's answer would be, why would we want to waste that kind of stuff on him? You know, like that's, we know that's how she would be. Kirsten No, you're right. You're right. But I didn't even see her try. Pete Yeah.

[01:07:08] Kirsten So I'm like, I don't know, just leaving him there that long to suffer and hearing him cry in pain and bleed out was just one of the most heartbreaking things I think I've had to watch.

[01:07:23] And then when Zhang is like, yep, leave him, he'll just slow us down. Oh, the thoughts in my head. And then to see what Rosie does. I just, I know I had a very physical reaction and a very emotional reaction at the same

[01:07:46] time was not expecting that at all. So I don't know, not happy at all about any of that and absolutely just cold and can't believe it happened. I'm just, I'm shook. And that's about the best I can like articulate, you know, my thoughts and what happened in

[01:08:04] that scene and then for her to do that and then still go on with her mom. I'm like, you seem to be pretty like settled at the idea of just like, it's just me and my boys, you know? And then after this, you're going to continue on.

[01:08:21] I don't know, maybe she's going to try to find a way to stick it to her mom later or something. I don't know. Maybe she, but you know, to try to somehow get back at her for the impossible situation that she's put her in or something.

[01:08:32] I don't know. But I know it's got me all twisted for sure. Yeah, we'll just be waiting. The rest of the season, like we better get some comeuppance for Sean because like she deserves it. Yeah.

[01:08:49] Do you have anything else that you want to add about that scene or what happened there? Not really. I think, yeah, I think I've already kind of mentioned earlier just that I'm pissed at Rosie that I think like she had the opportunity to cut ties and say no.

[01:09:06] Yeah. And this was like, she seemed to be making that choice. And then here when given that opportunity, she doesn't do it and she goes right back. And yeah, I don't know. So I don't know if I'm going to see a redemption arc for her or not.

[01:09:19] Like part of me hopes for it, but like now it's like, you know, to what extent? Like she's already done so much that's kind of unforgivable. Yeah. Yeah. And you know that she's like got all of this in her. It's like she's in this weird place.

[01:09:34] It's almost like she's still trying to get like validation or approval from her mom. Like she's trying to earn her place in the group. Because I mean, she tells like Jordan, Zhongda is like, oh, you're really starting to earn your keep around here.

[01:09:48] And I think that that's part of, you know, why Rosie makes the choices that she does is she's trying to, you know, remind her mom that she's purposeful, that her boys are purposeful.

[01:10:00] You know that she and I wonder if she even I can't remember if like she volunteered to take the boys on this trip to go try to find Gus or if her mom ordered. I can't remember exactly.

[01:10:11] But I wonder if she made the choice if it was like to at least get them out of that situation for a little bit temporarily so she could spend time with her boys and at least away from her mom.

[01:10:21] Because I do feel like she did love her boys. Like that, that was pretty evident. But I don't know. I think that so much has happened to her over the years. She's just in this really weird place trying to get her mom's approval.

[01:10:34] She's trying to prove that she's worthy. She's trying to prove maybe that her boys are worthy to try to elevate them in her grandmother's eyes. Like they're not filthy hybrids. They're your grandkids, you know, and worthy of love and, you know, of their own agency

[01:10:52] and they're not animals. I don't know if that's what she's trying to do, like prove themselves, you know, or she's trying to like prove to her mother, you know? I don't know. That's just speculation on my part. I don't know.

[01:11:09] I'm ranting at this point and ready to move on. What are your notes? Just a couple of other random notes. Of course, music notes. Not a lot with this one really, just one, which I had to kind of like look up on my

[01:11:24] own because I didn't even credit it in the captions on this episode. But the song that's playing at the party on the boat and then even when Gus and Jep and Sing climb on board and the music is still playing even on like the ghost ship was a

[01:11:37] song called Soul Finger by The Barkays. It was an interesting one. Yeah. But yeah, that's really all the music for this one. The other random notes, we didn't talk about Wendy much. I mean, she didn't have a whole lot, but you know, we see her.

[01:11:52] She just keeps getting too close to the pack every time she's trying to hide around. She's right there by the wolves. Aboard that truck, Wendy. Yeah. But we see her sneaking into the plane as well because she's got a sister to save,

[01:12:06] which you can see that like that bond between her and Becky, like she chooses to get on the plane and go, you know, help her sister. So they made me think, you know, after the plane loaded up and then the boat set on trajectory,

[01:12:18] I came up with a little poem. Summer by air and summer by sea, but Alaska is the place they're all going to be. Oh, that's lovely. I mean, I'm scared for Wendy because again, if they find her, if they find out that that

[01:12:35] is Becky's sister, I mean, they already know where they're going, but still not a situation that you want your little sister to be in. But at the same time, I'm glad she didn't get left behind because poor Wendy, I don't

[01:12:48] think is able to care for herself and to like be left alone where she's at in this strange place without someone to look out for her. And she's not going to make it back to the rest of her family on her own.

[01:13:02] So she's probably better off at least trying to get to Becky and be at least there with her versus being there left behind on her own. Right. That would not be good either. Yeah. So I'm already like speculating and thinking of like the next couple episodes where I'm

[01:13:18] imagining Gus is going to be really mind blown to see Becky and Wendy are also in Alaska because that like reunion is going to happen. He's going to say it is like, what? How did you guys get here? There was another way.

[01:13:28] I didn't have to get on the boat. Yeah, no kidding. We could have flew here. Which again, just last note that I have about Alaska is getting, you know, the winds are rare and this one even comes with a little bit of some dark shadow on it.

[01:13:47] But the radio, you know, coming through the dispatch coming through onto the boat and it being from Alaska and then Gus answering it and as soon as he says his name, Sianna picks up the radio and you get this connection between Sianna and Gus on the radio, which

[01:14:03] was really emotional for me as well. That like, we see he's close. Like you see her reaction is like, wait, Gus, like Birdie's Gus and he's like, how do you know Birdie? And it's this whole, you know, now he's close.

[01:14:13] He's on the right track and he knows he's almost there. Of course, what I said, there is a dark shadow on that is what Sianna doesn't say is that Birdie is missing and by a lot of people, they're presumed dead.

[01:14:26] I don't think she's going to tell him that right away. Like, let's just let him have a little bit of hope and joy for a few minutes, please. That kid needs it.

[01:14:34] But so there's still some heaviness coming on the back end of that, but at least the lighter note of it is that like, okay, Sianna and Gus have spoken over the radio. He's close. He's getting there. Things are looking up. So I like that.

[01:14:48] I love that little connection there because yeah, that's the closest he's gotten to his mom, you know, in all this time. So I loved that. That put a smile on my face. Yeah. That was great. Any other notes? That's all I've got. Well, you covered all of mine.

[01:15:09] Those were mine too. So yeah, I don't know. This was a lot and I hope it's not quite as dark and emotional moving forward. Yeah. I think once we get through this back half, there's got to be, you know, some more wins, I hope.

[01:15:24] And we got to get to a nice happy ending. I hope, I assume, but I don't know. I don't know. I guess we'll see. So I know we gave all of our thoughts about this episode. Let's see what our listeners had to say.

[01:15:44] You want to take the first one tonight? Right. This one comes from Don Elizabeth, who says, I just began the episode and I'm already stressed. They keep foreshadowing Jep's issues. I'm so concerned that we will be losing him.

[01:15:57] I don't know if I can handle another show like last week. Already the ship is infected and not moving. Jep may have been exposed and Becky is captured by Rose. As soon as Becky told Jordan that they had been going to Alaska,

[01:16:08] I suspected that his rescuing her was a trick. At least that was better than seeing her get tortured. I really was not ready for that. It's very hard to watch Gus being so sad.

[01:16:18] It's a terrible thing that he took it upon himself to put the dead people to see. Realistically, he wouldn't have been able to do that, but I can whistle past it. Okay, come on. I really hope that Rose's son would get rescued by Wendy.

[01:16:29] How much heartache can I take? I sure hope that the rest of the show isn't this dire. I'm watching one episode at a time with you guys, so I have no idea where it's going to end up.

[01:16:37] At least Jep isn't sick and Wendy is heading to Alaska with everyone else. And Gus has made contact with his mom's friends. Fingers crossed that the next episode is more hopeful than these last two. We're all on the same page. Yeah, you're right there with us.

[01:16:54] We got to get out of this darkness. Give me just another one more episode at least to let the wind blow that dark cloud away for an episode. I know, how quickly do we already miss the days of superhero chickens and old people in a casino?

[01:17:16] Yeah, can we just go back to that? Yeah. All right. Maureen Favo says, am I the only one who spends the first 10 minutes of each episode worried? If this episode we lose Jep, how weird is it I'm wishing for this anxiety continue for each remaining episode?

[01:17:37] Don't want to lose Jep, but if we do, I hope it's from saving Gus or Wendy or Bear. Once I got by Jep anxiety, I really loved this episode. This episode seemed different. I believe we watched Gus grow up in front of us. Yeah, for sure.

[01:17:53] Love how much respect Gus has for each person. One thing I didn't like is how Sing comes across as having more faith in Gus than Jep, where Sing's faith is in his premonition, not in Gus. Sing is a total fanatic.

[01:18:08] Expect I will say this every episode until the end. Took me way too long to realize that was Jordan from season two Bear arc. Zhang is devious and cruel, serious villain. Wendy's going to save the day. So courageous. Will she become friends with the remaining pack?

[01:18:25] How great Gus made contact with Sienna and Nuka. Guess we all meet in Alaska for remainder of series. RIP Darwin and Bruno. Wish we got to know you both. Oh, wouldn't that be interesting if Wendy was somehow able to get through to the hybrid boys.

[01:18:47] She's just like hanging out back there with them on the plane. Yeah. I don't know how much like human ability really they have, the way they've been raised and stuff. The way they've been raised. Because I remember in like earlier seasons,

[01:19:00] like people were like shocked that a hybrid could even speak English. So it's like, if they weren't taught or anything that they're going to be more animalistic. So I don't know. I don't know. And honestly, that's a good point. Not knowing if they even have the ability.

[01:19:17] Will they understand her? Will they even be able to communicate in the same way? But they've had just years of brutality and being raised as animals versus humans. That it's, you don't shake that in a very short time in a plane ride, you know.

[01:19:36] But you know, who knows? Yeah. I'm gonna try this. Again, I'm just waiting for them to be like, oh, sorry, did we startle you? Yes, that would be quite a twist. All right. Last one here is an email from Daphne. Says, hi Reem and Peik.

[01:20:04] This was an episode full of so many emotions, especially sadness and grief. I started the episode genuinely nervous for what was going to happen with the boat. I've been so afraid that Jep was not going to survive this season and the series,

[01:20:16] I spent a lot of this episode even more concerned. When Sing tested him, I was also worried that he wouldn't tell the truth. It's been beautiful watching Gus grow up in this series.

[01:20:24] The first two seasons, he still seemed like a child, but this season he's becoming so much more mature as he deals with everything around him. Sing and Jep should trust Gus because he has proven over time that he's able to handle things, especially with this episode.

[01:20:36] The board of remembrance he made as he gave each of the passengers an ocean funeral was so poignant. Watching him break down when finding Justin made me think he's starting to really internalize how dire the situation is.

[01:20:47] I also think it made him think back to Bubba and his childhood and how much he likely misses the simpler times. He has lost so much. Mother Zhang is one evil bitch. At one point, I wanted Rosie to drive off with her kids and leave it all behind.

[01:21:00] Instead, once again, she treated her son like an animal instead of a child, and it broke my heart. Wendy is so clever, and I'm actually glad she and Becky will be there in Alaska when this all goes down.

[01:21:10] So much to take in with this one, and I can't believe we are halfway through. I agree with everything that you said there, Daphne. Okay, we also got a voicemail this week from Steve. Let's see what he thought about this episode. Hello, Strange and Deep.

[01:21:35] This is Steve, and this is for Sweet Tooth Season 3, Episode 4, Beyond the Sea. Okay, so we're picking up on the ship, the whale boat that's heading to Canada, and everybody's celebrating. Oh, this doesn't look good. The music's still playing, but there's nobody on deck.

[01:21:49] Oh, looks like Rosie and Tex didn't leave soon enough because here's Mama Zhang. Trying not to kill each other while I'm gone. I mean, Gus is the only one who can make it. Okay, is this first mate guy for real or not? I don't know.

[01:22:02] We're going to find out, I'm sure. So Mrs. Zhang knows about the animal army, and now she's just trying to identify with Bear Becky. Wow, I had to pause it with Bear talking about the bond forged in battle and the blood.

[01:22:17] Oh, God, it's the family we choose is more important than the family we have. Oh, never thought of that phrase, blood is thicker than water being looked at that way. Wow.

[01:22:27] I think I like thinking of it that way, that the blood, the bonds be formed by blood in battle. Wow. Okay, Gus is going to try to dump all these bodies in the ocean by himself? Or I guess Darwin's going to help him maybe?

[01:22:38] Oh, this cowboy is the kid who was helping him the next last season, isn't he? Oh, but he's not a good guy. Well, he's doing it. He's getting the bodies off the ship, even though he's packaging every single one of them.

[01:22:51] This is going to take a while, I would think. Gus at some point have gone back and reported to Jep and Dr. Singh about what he was doing. Uh-oh, Darwin's got the tremors. He's got the sick. Oh, and Darwin sacrificed himself. Dr. Singh is testing Jep.

[01:23:06] Is he going to tell him the truth or is he going to lie? Oh, okay. So Jep is sick free, apparently. Okay, next stop, Alaska. We're getting close. Quite the journey. Thank you, Steve. Yeah, great live, Steve. I always love him. Always, always.

[01:23:26] All right, thank you again, everyone. You know, we're at the halfway point. So keep sending in your feedback. We so appreciate hearing from you each week. Next week, we will be covering season three, episode five, the Tell-Tale Heart with tale being spelled T-A-I-L.

[01:23:51] Man, why are these episode titles just trying to like reach back to things we just previously covered? Because we got their Black Mirror title here and then now we're trying to do some Fall of House of Usher, some Poe connection. Oh, the connections.

[01:24:04] I know I was thinking the same exact thing. I guess we'll see what that one's about. Again, no descriptions because I'm not looking anything up and trying to stay spoiler free, obviously. So yeah, we'll get over that hump and get into the second half of the series.

[01:24:24] I cannot wait. I will not wait as long this time. Yeah, I can't. I can't wait as long. No, we have to- our schedule's bumping up a little because you have a fun week ahead of you. Yeah, so I won't be able to record when we usually do.

[01:24:39] So we're gonna record a little earlier. So I was gonna go ahead and point that out here as well. For those of you who have made it this far and are listening, if you'd like to send feedback,

[01:24:48] we're actually recording, I think if you're listening to this right, is it's dropped then like this weekend. So Saturday instead of Tuesday. So a few days earlier, so that way I can have my vacation week next week and do stuff.

[01:24:59] But we can still have an episode ready for you on Tuesday. So we're recording on Saturday. So if you want to get feedback in for sure, then make sure to get it in a couple days early so we can have you for episode five.

[01:25:10] That means for my own, you know, self to not forget to put up the feedback post. So I tend to be not as on top of it this time around as what I usually used to be.

[01:25:26] So I'll make sure we get that out so you can leave your feedback. And of course, you know, you can email us. You can send us a voicemail, you know, via email. You can, you know, send us a DM on our Strange Indeed page if you want to.

[01:25:41] I'll take it that way too. Whatever you need to do to get your thoughts to us, we will take it. Yeah. So if you want to be one of those that leaves us some feedback, we'd love to have it. Yeah, you can do those ways.

[01:25:52] Or if you just need to find all the different ways you can do it, just check us out on podcastica.com and all the links you need are going to be right there. And while you're there, be sure to check out our other shows. A lot going on.

[01:26:04] You know, we were talking about The Bear earlier. Lucy and Peter are covering The Bear season three. Yeah. Let It Rip is that one. So what a clever, clever title. Yep. I've been listening along with that, loving it.

[01:26:18] Again, just like, you know, their first two episodes, they did like a recap and looking, you know, forward what they want to see. And then they've covered episode one that's up this week.

[01:26:27] They are going week to week with it, even though it dropped all at the same time, like we do here with our shows. And it's really cool because yeah, they covered the episode and then they are having like

[01:26:36] a little cooking segment at the end of each one too. Could do it, you know, cooking recipes and stuff from and inspired by the food on the show. So I love that. That's really fun to listen to them. Their banter there. It's great. I'm really enjoying it.

[01:26:50] Yeah, a lot of fun. House of the Dragon is in full swing. So go out to the Dragoncast and show them a little love. I mean, my goodness, these episodes talk about emotions, so many great things from season two.

[01:27:05] And of course, Wendy and Renny and Veronica doing some amazing coverage there as well. So be sure to check them out and give them some love. That's been great to listen to. The show coverage has been awesome.

[01:27:16] And then yeah, having Renny on there for book talk has, you know, great. Renny has such a wide bit of knowledge of Game of Thrones and all of its different stuff. Yeah, they are very smart and well versed in all this stuff. So it's great.

[01:27:31] Yeah, I kind of miss it just a little bit. But yeah, doing a really fantastic job over there with that coverage. Then be looking out for, because if you weren't aware, the final season of Cobra Kai is getting ready to drop in a couple of weeks.

[01:27:51] So we just recorded yesterday, myself and Jason and Richard, kind of doing a little recap of the last season, our hopes and predictions for the new and final season. And then we also decided to go ahead and cover The Next Karate Kid, the fourth movie

[01:28:10] in the franchise there. Just in the off chance that something could come up, I don't know that there will be, but in the off chance that anything from The Next Karate Kid might come out in the final

[01:28:24] season, we decided to go ahead and just be completionists and cover that movie as well and also kind of talk a little bit about, you know, the next season a little bit. So that should be coming out this week. So be looking out for that as well.

[01:28:36] If you're a Karate Kid fan or a Cobra Kai fan and enjoyed that coverage, that should be out soon too. So you and Daphne were still on a break, right? From Run For Your Lives. However... We are. Well, we are back this week.

[01:28:53] So yeah, give a couple little self-promotion plugs. Yeah, Run For Your Lives, technically next week is the beginning of the new season. However, we have a week early special release. So we are coming back a week earlier. So this weekend, we will have a special holiday episode.

[01:29:09] It is 4th of July, Independence Day here in the United States. So we have another Independence Day special. We covered Independence Day with Ben came on a couple of years ago to do that one. So now we're going to run that back.

[01:29:22] But this time we're doing the 2016 sequel, also directed by Roland Emmerich called Independence Day Resurgence. That was really fun to have Ben come back on and talk about that one. A lot of, you know, returning characters and interesting stuff to talk about with that movie.

[01:29:36] It was a lot of fun. So you can check that out this weekend. And then also it's not officially part of Podcastica right now, but now I've hinted at it. Say, what do you got to tell us, Pig? Because I've seen it. Give it to us.

[01:29:49] I can officially announce if you want to go check it out. Me, Daphne, and our good friends Jeff and Jerry have launched a new podcast. 30-35 minute episodes. They're short ones, just like, you know, half hour every week.

[01:30:03] It's just a free form comedy conversation podcast called Buffalo Buffalo. It's the Buffalo Buffalo podcast. The name of that, I don't even need to try to explain it. It's kind of an inside thing with us, but we decided to run with it and it's fun.

[01:30:16] But yeah, it's just, they said 30 minute episodes every week. We're like, we're just we're shooting the shit. We're just talking, catching up with each other, just talking as friends do. What would the underlying idea that we're trying to make each other laugh?

[01:30:26] We're trying to have fun, joke around a bunch. See how much how crazy we can drive Daphne with our incessant use of puns. The puns. I was getting her with the puns. Oh yeah. All that.

[01:30:38] And then, you know, we gamify it a little bit and have some fun with it. Give something entertaining for you guys to listen to other than just us talk about our lives is every week one of us is the, you know, set MC master of ceremonies,

[01:30:50] the game master for that week. We try to play a little game or some kind of thing that like gets topics and stuff going and let's, you know, some laughter and stuff commence. So the first episode is up right now.

[01:31:02] You never know when you're going to need a meat dress. And yeah, so I was the master of ceremonies for that first episode. And let's say maybe I try to get Jerry, Jeff and Daphne to see how well they can channel their best impromptu impressions. So. Nice.

[01:31:20] I'll drop that in the show notes and link to that for anyone that wants to. Yeah. And it's on Spotify and Apple podcasts and all that, but because it is brand new, it is hard to find on a lot of those places.

[01:31:33] So you can go to buffalo, buffalo podcast.com. So you can get the link to the, all of the different podcast players or just the direct stream to the audio there. So yeah.

[01:31:42] So if you want to, if you want to check out more of me and Daphne and some of our friends, just being us, just joking and making each other laugh and having a good time. And it's 30 minute episodes real quick. Just something to listen to every week.

[01:31:54] Go check it out again. Buffalo, buffalo podcast.com. Give us some love. Maybe you like it. Let us know if you do reach out. And I think there's a new feature on there too, where you can send us text messages as

[01:32:04] feedback, and then we can like, you can kind of give us ideas of what you're liking, what you want to hear, what you want to hear us talk about, whatever. So yeah, check it out. That is awesome.

[01:32:12] I'll drop that in the show notes for anyone that wants to check that out. Probably something fun and lighthearted to listen to after you watch Sweet Tooth. Yeah. All the heaviness. How about something a little on the light side? Yeah. That's perfect. It's been nice.

[01:32:24] I've been recording that podcast on Tuesdays after recording this with you. So it's been a nice little reprieve for me just on Tuesday nights. So that's been. I'm glad that the cat's out of the bag, but I finally know what you've been up to.

[01:32:36] You've been keeping your secret from me, Peg. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm glad that sounds like a great project for you guys. I'm really happy for y'all. Yeah, it's been fun. So yeah, so check that out and everything else on Podcastica.

[01:32:49] Subscribe, leave your reviews, ratings, all of those things for all the shows you're enjoying. Helps us out a ton. Yeah. Thanks in advance. But all right, for now, that is our show. Thanks everybody for listening. Until next time, I'm Rima. And I'm Peg.

[01:33:04] And Megan O'Connell is strange indeed.