324 "Last Dance" (YOU S5E5)

[00:00:00] Hmm? Ah! Hmm. Podcastica! Hey everybody, I'm Rima. And I'm Pake. And this is Strange Indeed, a podcast dedicated to the Netflix show, YOU. Today we are covering Season 5, the final season, of course, again. Episode 5, titled Last Dance.

[00:00:30] I don't think there's that much to talk about this week at all, Pake. Not much happened. Right? Eh, nothing of note. No big revelations to any characters. No, uh, no, um, it was a, just, I guess, in before you even ask, like, what'd you think of this week? Like, it is, it was kind of a setup episode, like, there were definitely some big moments where there's, but it's all, I think, was putting pieces in place for bigger things that are about to happen.

[00:01:25] Mm-hmm. We have to wait and record, and then we do. Oh, well, and for, for those listening, uh, if you saw our, our, our post, we're, we are recording this week just a little bit late, because Pake had a birthday this week. I did. So happy birthday, Pake. Everyone wish Pake happy birthday. Yeah. So we took a little bit of a, a break this week so he could enjoy some birthday festivities.

[00:01:48] Yeah, I had my, yeah, usual, so, like, all the nights were busy. I would, like, game nights and fancy dinners, and then the night we usually record, Rima was nice enough to let me push it back. So I could go, uh, go see Bobcat Goldthwait and have an awesome time with that, because that was fun. Woo-hoo! I'm glad I got a magical moment that that was. Don't, don't say let you, though, like, you're an adult. You can, like, it was totally fine to reschedule. Yeah.

[00:02:18] Don't want anybody to, like, think the wrong thing or whatever. Right. You could totally, yeah, it was totally fine when you were like, hey, I got a chance to go do something fun. And is it okay if we push the day? And it's like, yeah, totally. Yeah, if we push it back, because I'm gonna, this is happening. And it wasn't so much, yeah, let, it was more like, I, I kind of, it was almost, like, told. Where she was like, uh, the, Bobcat, she's like, yeah, we're not recording, you're gonna go do that. Absolutely. Yes, of course, I get that. Yeah, 100%. I 100% supported that. I was like, absolutely.

[00:02:48] You know, we can, we can record this anytime. So, uh, so yeah, you know, good point. You, you had some awesome things for your birthday and some awesome experiences and, and we're very happy for that. But, but because of that, we are recording a little late. So when we, last week when we wrapped, uh, that, that episode, you know, like always, I went and watched this episode. We watched the following, following one. Yeah. And, and, wow, when it ended, I was like, oh, wow, I can't wait until we get to record.

[00:03:17] And then when we pushed it, uh, a couple more days, I was like, oh, man, I've got to sit on this for an extra couple days. Can't watch the next one. Uh, I'm dying to see what happens next. This, this was a wild ride. But this was, this episode is what makes you like so fun and electrifying.

[00:03:36] I mean, this, all the twists and stuff that, that just upended everything that you think that, you know, uh, and just really sets it, sets us up for, I think what's going to be a wild second half, which this was only episode five. Like, we still have five more episodes to go. What the heck can even happen from this point on? So I'm really looking forward to seeing how, like, like you said, this sets everything up to move into the second half.

[00:04:05] But I'm like, how, where else can we go? Like when you look at what, how this episode ended, it was wild. So yeah, pretty, pretty crazy events. I can't wait to break it down and talk to you about it. Um, why don't you do the honors this week? Uh, let's see. Small one, but first one. I don't know. I like to start small, get bigger sometimes.

[00:04:30] Uh, um, just cause he, I think he's been extra notes pretty much every week when I've talked about him. So he'll get his own actual like point, uh, this week, which is Teddy. Yeah. It's not a lot, but we definitely, I wouldn't say saw a different side of him, but we definitely saw him kind of standing his ground. And really trying to find exactly where he's going to stand in a lot of the stuff he learns about.

[00:04:57] And yeah, I think he's become a puzzle piece that whether he wants to or not, um, and he's going to try to avoid it. But like, based on information he now knows, he really can't fully avoid being involved in one way or another. As we see, you know, Kate, uh, runs into Bronte in some way, which we'll talk about that a little bit more.

[00:05:21] But she's definitely upset at this moment of kind of having this idea of, oh yeah, Joe's definitely cheating on me. And she did the digging, found out about Marianne and all those kinds of things and realized, oh no, this is part of the pattern. As he moves on, finds somebody new, and then things get really bad for the other person that he's leaving behind.

[00:05:41] So she's in, uh, you know, self defense mode a little bit here herself, trying to get ahead of Joe's cycle of what Joe does. And in that, while she's like really pissed about it, she talks to Teddy, her brother there, and gives him the lowdown of what she knows and suspects of Joe. At least, you know, she's done a little bit more digging, finding out about Marianne and what she suspects with the truth about love and all these things. And just lets him in on that.

[00:06:11] And then later, after speaking with Maddie, again, we'll talk about that, I'm sure, in deeper. No, um, gives all that to Teddy as well. So he's fully aware of the entire Maddie, Reagan situation, everything that's gone on there. And Joe's involvement in that as well. So he, Teddy now knows everything, everything. Like, that there is to know.

[00:06:37] That anything Kate can know, anybody who's been close enough to Joe to learn what he's doing, Teddy's in that, like, inner circle. Joe doesn't know that, but, uh, he knows everything. Even Kate went as far then to admit to him the truth about Bob. And not just that Joe had killed him, but then even because she's like, he goes, again, why are you not going to the police? Why are you not just having him arrested? You know what he did.

[00:07:05] And that's where Kate drops the bomb that, like, well, she's complicit in that. She's like, I told him to kill Bob. That was on my call. I am an accomplice in a way to that. I'm complicit to that action. Uh, so she's like, so he goes down. I go down. And yeah, I still really like Teddy, but yeah, him having all of this information is not good for him. I don't think. And it worries me.

[00:07:31] Uh, but yeah, the last conversation he has with Kate in this episode, I thought was like, he was speaking some major truth. Uh, he hates to be connected in any way to any of this. And so he's telling Kate, he's like, listen, I told you I'm on your side. I'm in your corner. I love you. I support you. But basically like the dam has to eventually break. And one of the last things he leaves her with is like, maybe you should lose everything. Yeah. He was speaking some hard truths. Yeah. In that conversation.

[00:08:02] Yeah. And I mean, we've said since like episode one, you know, how much we really enjoy Teddy's character. And I still, I still really do. Um, I mean, we've said, I mean, we've said since like episode one, you know, how much we really enjoy Teddy's character. But it was one thing that I thought was interesting was that, you know, he's been asking almost since episode one, like, what the heck's going on? What is it that I need to know? I can't help you or protect you if I don't know what's going on. And, you know, Kate kept like, no, it's fine. There's nothing to know.

[00:08:31] And, you know, just kind of putting it off. And now he's like, okay, well, now that like, your marriage is falling apart, and you're going to like leave Joe, then you don't have to protect him anymore. Then tell me what's going on. And she tells him, and he's like, okay. Yeah. It's like, now I, you know, I'm like, be careful what you ask for, you know? Right. And he had that very, nothing that you say is going to make me turn on you kind of mentality.

[00:09:01] And then he wasn't expecting, I don't think, that much to where then he was like, okay, maybe one thing you say could actually cause a problem for me. Yeah. And, I mean, and that's, that's true. Cause not only, there's a couple, couple things here, you know, him, him knowing this, having this knowledge, if that puts him in danger with Joe.

[00:09:26] If Joe learns that Teddy knows, then he's in danger there. I mean, so it was Kate. So he's in danger there and he's got a family too. And also, it also puts him at risk because now he has information of all these wrongdoings, right?

[00:09:45] He, you know, or at least suspects about Joe, everything that Kate told him that he knows about Bob and he knows about Reagan and nobody knows about Reagan yet. So he knows all these things. So it makes him complicit as well, just having that information. So there's, you know, he's, he's got, he's got it coming at him both ways.

[00:10:10] And, you know, he, he made a good point to Kate about, you know, it's like, you know, I'm so glad that, you know, your privilege allows you to think that you can. Like control this narrative and, and make, and make, make this all okay. But I was just like, Oh, Teddy, I bet you wish you had just went back about five minutes ago and not asked to like know what was going on. Because at least then he had like plausible deniability, you know, by not knowing any of those things.

[00:10:38] But now that he knows that Kate, I mean, I guess even if he didn't know that Kate had something to do with Bob, you know, he still earned that chair at the, you know, on the board because Bob was no longer there. But at least before he had plausible deniability, like he, he didn't know anything. Yeah. So I don't know.

[00:11:04] I was, I still don't want anything to happen to Teddy, but at the same time I was kind of like, you probably just shouldn't ask questions because you may not like the answer. So that'd be a lesson to everyone. Yeah. Really good conversations though. And still, still really love Teddy. Let's, let's talk about Bronte a little bit. And I mean, I think Joe kind of plays into that as well.

[00:11:32] But so I was, as we're watching this and we're just seeing Bronte and Joe just in the throes of this affair. And of course, Joe, like every time he's wrapped up into someone, he is just all into Bronte, right? Just really into her. And he, he, I don't think would see any red flags with her at all or think that she was acting suspicious.

[00:11:59] And, you know, he gets that massage for her and she's like, you know, he's like, we've been so stressed. And look, she's been like playing with your shoulders. I'm like, I don't know. Maybe she's stressed because she's been playing trap the serial killer or something. Yeah. Right. Might cause someone to be a little bit stressed out or something. And I was quite surprised at all the affection that they kept showing each other at the bookstore. Did that, did you question that at all?

[00:12:26] When, you know, they're, the bookstore's open, they're right there next to the office and they're just like all wrapped up in each other. And I'm like, wow, like not even thinking that like Kate could walk in or anyone else that, you know, coming in to patronize the bookstore or come congratulate you on opening the bookstore. And, you know, you're just fooling around right out in public.

[00:12:50] It just seemed wild to me, but, you know, Joe never really makes the best decisions by any means. But I mean Bronte wasn't either. Even with him, it doesn't even have to be anybody he knows. He's famous for being married to like such a incredibly like wealthy and famous like celebrity figure anyway that like any just random person coming into the store would be like, hey, that's Joe Goldberg. Why is it? What is he doing making out with this random redhead? That's not Kate Lockwood. Yeah. Good point. Good point.

[00:13:18] That's another like it's, it's, he's very, he's not just Joe running the bookstore. Like, yeah, he's, he's well known now because of Kate. So, yeah, that's another good point that I hadn't even considered is that he's kind of like a public figure. Like he got even got recognized by that kid at that Atlantic Beach cafe or whatever. Even he knew who he was or had recognized him or whatever.

[00:13:43] So, I just thought, you know, just more, I think just more demonstrating how when Joe is in this like mindset when he's got, he's like in the throes of his current like obsession. Like he just, she's kind of blind to, I guess, any common sense or logic. I don't know. Pretty typical Joe, right? Yeah.

[00:14:09] And, and I know we're going to talk about the end, so I don't want to jump there. But knowing, knowing what we know by the end of the episode, I now understand Madeline Brewer's performance now. Cause I, you know, Bronte just was like, she'd say just the weirdest things or just things that were just kind of annoying. And I love Madeline Brewer. Like, I think she's a really talented actress. So no, no shade on her.

[00:14:38] She's incredible in The Handmaid's Tale. Yeah. Well, and I'm catching up now in the current season. Like I've, I was really behind on the current season of Handmaid's Tale. So I was catching up on that this weekend and I was like, gosh, she's so damn good in that show. And so I know she's a talented actress. So now though, the things that she was saying, I think make more sense.

[00:15:03] I think that she had this good, subtle performance, you know, where she's doing these lip bites and, you know, this kind of staged vulnerability that everything she was doing. I was, you know, I was very calculated to try and make Joel, Joel. This is not the last of us. Joe. Whoops. Looking at Joe, but said Joel. I think it must be thinking of Pedro Pascal.

[00:15:31] When are we not thinking of Pedro Pascal? Honestly. Yeah. When is that man not on my mind? Yum. Anyway, back to our programming. But every, every, I think everything that she was doing was so calculated to try and get Joe to trust her. So all of that was making sense. I'm like, okay, okay. You know, now, now I see where, where all that was coming. Like she was totally, I think, playing into everything that Joe would be into.

[00:16:02] So we got to, you know, there at the end. So I was seeing that now. That makes sense to me. And if I go back and, and, and like rewatch from the beginning, I think then it would all make a lot more sense. But of course, leading up to that point, it was kind of like her character was just kind of annoying me. You know, like, why are you acting like that? But now it makes sense.

[00:16:26] The only thing, though, that I really question, knowing what happened at the end, and, and I still don't know what the whole plan was and what they're doing exactly. But, like, she was like with him. Like they, they, they were having sex. Yeah. And I'm just like, you know, it's one thing to like try to trap someone or try to, you know, I'm not saying anyone should do this by any means.

[00:16:55] But, you know, when you're trying to like catch someone doing something, like, it seems like that's quite a drastic step to like actually get physical with someone, you know, to get them. That, that's a commitment. That, I don't know, that was just like, wow, she really went like all in in this, whatever this plan was, whatever, whatever this, you know, and hopefully we'll learn more like who she is and what this was all about.

[00:17:24] So I don't, I don't really know the whole thing. But I mean, obviously, she was trying to trap him in something. But I'm like, that was a, that was a really, like, big step to take. Like, and then I wonder, as I was doing my second watch after watching the ending, and then watching it the second time, finalizing my notes and stuff, you know, I watched and I'm like, I wonder how much, you know, she was kind of getting caught up. Because I feel like there was foreshadowing there.

[00:17:51] And I know we'll talk about Maddie, so I don't want to go too far into that. But when she, when Maddie and her and Joe were talking, and she says, I'm in deep, deep undercover, or however she phrased that, I feel like it was a little bit of foreshadowing with Bronte there. Yeah. And I was like, is she so far undercover? Like, was she actually, like, even though she was there to try to maybe trap Joe, was she also kind of into him? Like, was it all an act?

[00:18:21] Or was there a little bit of, like, crossing the lines a little bit there? You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know if I'm making sense there, but. Oh, yeah, for sure. I have that. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. It was either she was just kind of winging it and along for the ride, but, or if she had a very specific and strict, like, plan and role she was playing. I'm not sure. We may learn, hopefully soon, but, yeah, I'm not sure.

[00:18:50] That's actually, that's, like, my main biggest point, but I can throw into it and get into it whenever you're done. I'm dead. I don't know. I don't know where else to really go with that so much just because I don't, I don't, I don't really know what the plan is or where we, like, I don't even know if we'll get an explanation, but, like, for the next episode or whatever. I just. Yeah. So, but, yeah, anytime you want to jump in, go ahead. Yeah, because that's kind of, like, my biggest point, but I'll get to it. Is he's just like the, yeah, Bronte and we got him.

[00:19:20] Um, it's like her, because I took, I take all my notes on second watch, so a lot of, all of my notes on kind of their interactions were based on already knowing what was coming and then kind of looking at it through that lens. Like, you were even talking about on second watch is really paying attention to the things she's saying and how she's doing things to see what her motive is or how she's doing something. And, I mean, I guess not, not just Madeline Brewer, but, like, the character of Bronte, I'm giving her props for, like, acting.

[00:19:50] Uh, because, yeah, from the ending of this episode, it seems she's been playing the long game the whole time. Um, so even, you know, that you're mentioning them in the shop and stuff, like, or even before that, uh, but them flirting and all the couple scenes and, like, sex scenes and everything between them. It's like, yeah, if she's just committing in that deep end, that's impressive, I guess.

[00:20:15] Uh, I mean, if that's, that's what's, like, it's diabolical yet brilliant work. Uh, the last writing that she has for him, not the, like, note saying she's leaving, but the, like, kind of erotic fiction thing that she had written. Yep. And it's, like, if she knew what she was doing 100%, that is brilliant that she knew she would fully hook him. And with his fetish for power and control. Mm-hmm. Those, like, leaning into those things.

[00:20:44] Because even he was like, is this really what you're into? And she's like, I don't know, maybe, like, that's part of her maybe kind of hinting. It's like, no, not really, but it's the role that I have to play in order to get you where I want you. Mm-hmm. Um, but she does fully commit to it. And I was like, I mean, you know, get yours, girl. I don't know. Yeah, totally. I mean, if that's the truth, you go for it. If you're going to take out a serial killer, but have the opportunity, have some killer sex, no pun really intended. But I'll lean into it, I guess, after, you know, in the process.

[00:21:14] That's what you want. I'm not going to judge you. Like, go for it, I guess. If you feel safe enough, I don't know. But, yeah, I do like that his little voiceover is like, if I show you how much of my protagonist is actually mean. It's like, oh, dude, she knows. I think she knows. And then there's, like, little foreshadowing things that maybe are absolutely nothing. Maybe it was me reading into it.

[00:21:41] But I even, on my first watch, clocked it and was like, could that mean something? And then on second watch, I was like, I still think it could. But a little tongue-in-cheek foreshadowing. But as Joe and Bronte are in the bookstore talking, the sign that's, like, right behind him, that's a little bit in focus, over his shoulder and behind his head, is the sign that's fiction, F through K. Which looks like, you know, fiction, and then, like, a censored fuck. Like, a fiction fuck.

[00:22:08] Which I was like, yeah, it's probably just a book section in the store, but it's also kind of a nod to what their relationship truly is. It's fake. And she's got ulterior motives. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised. You know, this show's really good at kind of putting little things like that out there. And I saw that sign, but it didn't, like, click with me in that way. So that's a neat little, you know, tie that you put together there. Yeah. It's just how my brain works sometimes.

[00:22:37] I saw that, and I was like, that could mean something. I don't know. Kind of reading into it. But, like, hey. But, yeah, he's hooked hard. Again, not an intended pun, but if you'd like to go with it. Yeah. There's... He's fully invested, fully in. And then they have that first moment where they're up in the apartment and she calls the sex off. That time, when Joe's phone is going off.

[00:23:05] And at first I thought, even though we know it's Maddie that was texting and not Kate, Bronte doesn't know that. And so, to her, I was like, you know, the first watch, I was like, oh, yeah, it's this reminder that his wife could be texting him and it killed the mood for her. And maybe that is still the case to some degree. But not as much as feeling like the other woman, like she keeps kind of coming back at him with. But maybe she's feeling bad for Kate a little bit. Yeah, maybe. Maybe.

[00:23:34] Like, because as far as she knows, Kate is an innocent party in all ways. So she's like, I mean, I'm helping her, I'm saving her from who she's married to, but I'm also putting her through all this if she finds out that her husband's cheating on her with me, you know? Like, I feel like there may be some moral questioning that Bronte is going through throughout the episode. Totally. And then when she takes off the way she does, because she gets her own while they're in the store.

[00:24:02] Or like text messages and stuff on the phone. And then she starts acting really weird. And then that's when she just like takes off. And I wonder if that's exactly as planned. Or if she felt the need to accelerate her own timeline, to quote Maddie. Which is why it gets so messy at the end, I guess in a couple ways. But, um... Is maybe, she was like, okay, maybe it's that same thing.

[00:24:27] Like, I'm in too deep, too deep undercover and I need to start putting pieces in motion and finally finish this thing off. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and then him getting ghosted by that sends him spiraling, which I think she knew exactly that's what was going to happen. I think that's part of the plan. So you send him spiraling and she's relying on that. Because if she's done her research, if she knows who Joe is, then yeah, you do that to him and his hyperfixation is going to do exactly what it does.

[00:24:56] Yeah, uh... Lead him to go in, finding where you are. Take him to the location you need him at. I don't know if Clayton was knowingly part of the plan. Uh, he could have been. I'm not sure. I don't know. We'll ever know. At least not from his perspective. Uh... But he was a great piece of the puzzle. Uh, I don't know if she planned for him to die at the end. But how much do we know about Bronte with like her, yeah, moral compass.

[00:25:23] Is she also like, eh, two birds, one stone? Um, that's pretty fucked up if she purposely put him in harm's way as a pawn. But... Yeah, so again, the question is like how much of it is planned versus on the fly. Hopefully we'll learn more. But yeah, it's a lot of brilliant planning. He falls right into the trap, goes to Atlantic Beach, to the Laurel Diner, then to the Sandbox. Like it's almost like she's leaving these breadcrumbs for him to follow, knowing that he will. Mm-hmm. Um, yeah, you mentioned Sawyer.

[00:25:52] The stoner kid at the diner. Um, which gives Joe the info he needs, but makes him lose faith in Gen Z. Uh... I like that line. It's like, I thought Gen Z was gonna be our future, but yeah, maybe Henry's, uh... Generation hasn't. And I was like, you know what? I'm kind of with you, Joe. I have hopes for Gen Alpha. Uh, out of all the Alpha kids that I've gotten to know, they're pretty great. We may still have a chance with them. I don't know.

[00:26:20] Uh, yeah, gets to the Sandbox, the little Airbnb there, and gets tased. Even though I think she was fully waiting on him, so... Uh, the tasing was part of the plan, I believe? But it's a good cover-up reason, being like, there's a stranger in a hat of sneakiness breaking into my Airbnb. Yeah. You know? She had a valid reason for sure. Mm-hmm. Um... So then, yeah, again, just the questioning of what's real. What's an act?

[00:26:45] Because she does believe, like, when she's talking to him, even after tasing him, and she's explaining, well, I don't want to be the other woman, and I don't want to have this, and then that whole conversation. It's like, the way she explains it is, like, it comes across as fully honest. Mm-hmm. So it's like, is she really also in it that deep? Is part of it real for her? Or is she that good of an actor? Um... I don't know. Also another stretch. Uh, like, the sign. The taser marks that we see on Joe's neck throughout, like, the rest of the episode after that. Mm-hmm.

[00:27:15] Like a vampire bite. Or a snake bite. Ah. Either way. Like, he's been lured in, like prey, and then struck at the opportune time to be taken down. Having his life drained from him, even in a metaphorical sense, if not literal. Well, it wasn't his... His, like, fiction novel that he was writing wasn't that protagonist, a vampire? I think so, yeah. Good one. So it's like, just like the little foreshow in it. Yeah.

[00:27:45] So it's like, hmm, maybe... I like it. Maybe it's me reading into it too much, but maybe it's right. Maybe I'm right. Maybe I'm catching things. It's fun to make little connections. Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And then, what? She says something to him, again, where he goes through the classic spiel of, uh, what if I'm... I'm divorcing my wife. I'm not in love with her anymore. And what if it was just you or the only... You know, the one and only. And which, I mean, maybe that works. Maybe that's real for some people.

[00:28:14] But I feel like, in most cases, that's just, like, uh, you know, classic manipulation. Um, but... Yeah, but then she says something to him where he's, you know, explaining to her, because you're this and you're that. And she goes, if you knew the real me, you wouldn't be saying that. I was like, was that an actual thing that kind of slipped out there? I was like, who is the real Bronte? What are her motives? What pushed her into putting herself in this position?

[00:28:43] You know, going into the monster's lair to take him down with a stab to the back while in a loving embrace with him? Like, it's a dangerous position to be in. What are her motives to put herself in this situation? Is she connected to somebody else he's killed? Somebody he's wronged? Uh, yeah. I don't know. Because it's... That's a bold thing that she's doing if this was really, like, just a long play game the whole time. Um, it...

[00:29:10] I have all those same questions because I'm... I'm like, okay, well, why? I mean, obviously we know as an audience that Joe is very bad. He's the worst. And even though I still root for him sometimes, but... Can't help it. That's... Yeah. So we all know that. And the people that did know how bad Joe was didn't live very long, you know, to, to,

[00:29:39] to, like, tell people. So who, who is she? And how much does she know? Like, like you said, like, she, she went pretty deep into this whole thing. And it's like, does she know that Joe's a killer? Or does she just suspect? Or, like, how much does she know? That's a really dangerous game. Like, if you know... Yeah. ...what we know about Joe, and then you go forward with this whole plan, that is a really dangerous place to be.

[00:30:07] You know, like I said, that's why I'm like, wow, she went even so far as to just, like, be intimate with him. And I feel like if you know that he's a killer, that's, that's pretty scary. So, you know, I'm, I'm, I have the same questions, you know, who is Bronte or Louise? You know, she gets called Louise a couple times in the episode. How deep is this trap? Like, how far does this go? And, you know, like you were saying, like, what about Clayton?

[00:30:37] Mm-hmm. Or was he just, you know, oh, what's the term? I can't think of the term. Patsy, red herring, different. Yeah. Not really, but it was just kind of a pawn. Yeah, like, was, did, did, what did he know? How much was he in the plan? Was he, surely he didn't, like, sacrifice himself. Yeah. You know, for, for this or.

[00:31:07] Right. You know, what was his part in it? I feel like there was more that we don't know. Because, again, I didn't catch it on first watch. Because first watch, I don't use subtitles. Mm-hmm. I just kind of, like, sit in with it. And then I always watch with subtitles on my second watch while I'm taking notes. So I can get quotes and stuff down if I need to. Yeah, me too.

[00:31:26] And when Joe is, before Joe comes downstairs when he hears Clayton and Bronte struggling down there, they had the subtitles, which I missed on the first one, of Bronte and Clayton arguing with each other downstairs. And he's saying things like, you're as stupid as she was. And then follows that up with, don't talk about my dad like that. And I was like, what is, what are, what are they arguing about? What, something else is going on.

[00:31:54] I caught that, too, on, because I do the same. And I was like, wait a minute, what? What's their connection? Who are they? And, yeah, what was the plan? What was supposed to happen? Because I feel like, I'm like, I don't think Clayton was supposed to have, maybe there was supposed to be a struggle.

[00:32:16] But I don't think he was supposed to, like, have died, you know, at all or that means, you know, with Joe. So, what was supposed to happen? What was the plan? And especially if he's part of it, I don't know. I'm just, so many questions running through my head.

[00:32:40] But none of it's really making any sense because I'm just really confused, like, what really happened or what was supposed to happen. But I think it was a good twist. You know, it was a really good, you know, twist. I had been suspicious of Bronte. I still don't really know who she is or what this whole plan was and how much they really know about Joe. But I definitely had suspicions about her. I'm like, she is not who she says she is. I just, I feel like there's something more to it.

[00:33:09] So, I'm like, okay, that felt nice. I was right, you know, to a degree. But it's like, it was still, I think, a really good twist because I certainly wasn't expecting anyone to come in on a live. Yeah, that's the big one because it's not even just her catching him in something and having something on him. Again, I don't think that Clayton dying would be part of the plan because that seems really messed up. Yeah, very messed up.

[00:33:40] But, like, you see he's fully, like, that's the ending of that, like, arc of, like, what she's really pulled him into, like, being himself. There's that moment where he's fighting with Clayton because he's, like, hit her and pushed her down. And that moment where he, like, looks over at her sitting there. And then you can see that, like, the beast that they've talked about, you know, it is. It was like this beast coming out to protect his beauty and kills Clayton.

[00:34:06] And so, and she does seem shocked by that. So, doesn't seem to be part of them. Again, if she's acting really well, who knows? But then, yeah, immediately the others come in. The other literature hipsters. And, yeah, they're, like, live streaming on, like, TikTok or whatever. And Joe's, like, panicking because, yeah, he's being live streamed with a whole chat going, like, that's that Joe Goldberg guy.

[00:34:35] He's famous enough to people know who he is. And now they've got him on video standing over a dead body. And so he's, like, you know, Bronte, we gotta go. And then she chooses a side standing along her friends, I guess. I thought that her and that other woman probably hated each other's guts. But it was all part of a plan. Because the way she stands next to her with a taser in hand. And then that woman looks at her and, you know, we fucking got him, Luis. So it's, like, oh, no. Here we go.

[00:35:06] Yeah, I've got to know what the heck was the plan here. Like, that just doesn't. Pretty sure Clayton was not supposed to die. But it's, like, you know, I don't know. But I thought it was a really great twist. All I could think was, how the hell is he going to get out of this? Like, he's literally standing over this person whose head he just bashed in on the fireplace.

[00:35:35] And it's live all over the internet. That's why it was just like, I can't believe I got to sit on this episode for all week and not watch the next one. Because I'm like, what the hell? And still knowing that there's five episodes to go. Like, how does this all unfold and wrap up? But it was really great.

[00:35:59] And I think what was really great about this episode is, you know, as Teddy is talking about being complicit, you know, I think we have this episode kind of forces us to confront our own complicity in this episode as well. And this whole series, you know, Penn Badgley plays Joe so well. Like, he is charming as hell.

[00:36:23] And I've said it so many times as we've covered this series, all four and a half, almost five seasons now of how, you know, he tricks, I'll speak for myself, tricks me into rooting for him. You know, we're not supposed to root for Joe. Joe is, he's a killer. He's a psychopath. And he's everything that's bad. But Penn Badgley does such a great job playing him. Yeah.

[00:36:51] That, you know, even after what he's done, there's still a part of me that wants him to be able to escape out of the situation. I know. And it's weird because it's like, on paper, you're like, there's no way in any story am I going to like the character who's a manipulative, sadistic, misogynist psychopath. Yeah. And yet, season after season, he somehow manages to do it to you. It's like, ah! I'm sorry. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. I have zero excuse.

[00:37:21] Zero excuse. I mean, look, if it were, I think, and I give myself a pass because obviously it's fiction. It's, you know. Right, yeah. If this was a real person, it would be totally different. But, you know, yeah, he plays Joe to perfection. So, there's still a part of me that, even though he's absolutely terrible, I still want him to, like, somehow get out of this situation. I don't know how he's going to do it, though, because I'm like, dude, you literally have a camera in front of your face and they're streaming live.

[00:37:51] So, I don't know how he's going to manage it. But, hey, it's you. And there have been crazier things that have happened. And so, you know, I don't know. I guess we'll see. Yeah. What a crazy, crazy episode. It's all the things that we like. Well, let's talk about Maddie because, daggone it, Anna Camp, you know, if we're going to call out some great actors. Yes.

[00:38:20] You know, let's talk about Anna Camp. So, poor Maddie. She's just broken. Like, when Teddy looked at Kate and he's like, is she okay? And, like, points to his head like, and I'm like, no, no. No. Not even a little bit. Maddie is not okay. You know, she's trying to play up the role of Reagan.

[00:38:49] And, you know, they were clearly two very different people, you know, Maddie and Reagan. And she's having to try to be mean and nasty and cruel to Harrison, whom she loves. She actually loves Harrison. She finally has her family that she wants. Yeah. And she's forced to treat them like shit to keep up this facade. And it's killing her. Yeah.

[00:39:15] Well, and I think that even just the fact of what she did to Reagan, like, and that Joe forced her into the situation. You know, Joe put that on her, forced her into the situation. Now, did Maddie still have a choice? You know, that could be debated. But Maddie did what she did. And I think it broke her.

[00:39:41] And I think that now having to keep playing as Reagan and being that cruel and to Harrison and to Gretchen, whom she loves, you know, she loves both of them, is really, really getting to her. I mean, she is deteriorating. And Joe, and I'm just like, Joe is so far gone himself. I mean, let's just remember, Joe is, I mean, for us, it feels fresh.

[00:40:09] But in the show, it's been three years that he had his psychological break, right? With, you know, himself and reality. And he's not okay. But he is so far gone that I'm just like, I can't believe he's just letting Maddie run around as broken as what she is. And he's just like, it's fine. Just keep it up. And I'm like, she's a wild card. You know, even Teddy was like, we don't know what Maddie's going to do.

[00:40:38] We don't know what Joe's going to do. Because he's like, trying to tell Kate, like, you can't control all of this. You don't know what these other people, you know, who are also in this are going to do. And poor Maddie, she is just spiraling and just completely unraveling. But what was, you know, interesting when Kate confronts her in the bathroom, which what a freaking performance by Anna Camp. So good, which I do love that.

[00:41:07] Yeah, the haunted by Reagan. Because I was like, yeah, we still get you. I made a joke about it like last week. Like, it was like a joke. But then I was like, oh, they kind of did. I was like, we still get the dual role acting for Anna Camp and she's still killing it. I laughed. I was like, you totally called it. It wasn't exactly the same, but it was very similar where she pops up and kind of haunting her. I was like, well, you called that out. And it was a really good call. No, that bathroom scene.

[00:41:37] It was a little, who is it? Norman Osborn and Green Goblin moment. Did anybody else get that vibe? Oh, yeah, for sure. That's good. But it was so freaking good. The way that she's able to go back and forth from Maddie to Reagan, Anna Camp is just absolutely freaking brilliant. I just, I want to see her in more things. Yes. You know, just putting that out into the universe.

[00:42:07] But she's so, like, Joe has her so manipulated that when she was talking to Kate in the bathroom, like, she still thinks, like, she's crediting Joe because it's like, it's okay. Things are okay. They're going to be better now. Because he made her see how bad Reagan had treated her throughout life.

[00:42:32] And it's like, that's how good Joe has manipulated and charmed Maddie because, like, she, you know, she can't even really see. Like, she knows all this is really bad, but it's okay because, you know, Joe is, like, got it under control or whatever and that everything's going to be okay. And it's like, wow, he's really got his hooks in her.

[00:42:59] And it makes me, I think I'm more mad at Joe about what he's done to Maddie than anything else he's done. Because I'm like, look what you did to her. You know, you've just completely broken her. But just love everything, you know, her, Anna Kim's performance, how well she was performing. I'm really worried, though, about her completely unraveling because she just really fell apart in front of Kate. Like, she just completely broke down.

[00:43:28] And now Kate knows everything about that situation. And I also loved when they're out talking in the street, Maddie and Joe, and he's like, it's fine. If you, you know, you need to go just, like, another month. Reagan's going to take a trip to the Philippines. You know, she's going to go on a boat ride. And she's going to have an accident. And it's totally fine. You know, I've got a friend that's going to take care of all of it. Who did that make you think of? It's Will Vettelheim. Yeah, totally.

[00:43:57] Good buddy, Will. Yeah, I was like, I assumed that. I was like, how sweet. They still keep in touch. I love that. I love that we get these little character callbacks. Yeah. Because that's, if I remember right, yeah, he, yeah, he had moved to Manila. I believe that was, I haven't gone back and rewatched because that's season two. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. I think so. I think so. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:44:27] It's been a while, but yeah, I think, yeah, Philippines is where he went, I believe. So, yeah. But then I love Maddie's follow-up. I was like, who? You don't have friends. Great line. Yeah. There's a lot of great lines. Like, even when he first goes out there and she's like, it's me, Maddie. And he was like, I'm aware. She's so funny. It's me. Like, she's not even sure anymore. Like, just in case. You know? Yeah. Yeah. She's like, not enough sage, not enough pills.

[00:44:56] And believe me, I have pills. Like, it's almost like funny at first. She's playing it off really well. And then when you get to full mental breakdown mode when Kate shows up later and it's like, it's less funny. You start really seeing how, like, desperate and broken and just gone she is. Mm-hmm. Which, you know, arguing with herself in the mirror as both twins just, like, fully lost it. But also just the acting on that. Like, yeah, there's editing involved. I'm sure she could kind of, like, take a little time to reset and get into the.

[00:45:26] But, like, even then, just the way it's shot. Like, these switches of character with just changes in tone and body language. It's. She's playing two very different people who look and sound the same, but you can tell who's who. Yeah. And just, like, her subtle facial changes. Mm-hmm. You knew who, whether that was Maddie or Reagan in that reflection. Yeah. Yeah. She's amazing. Okay. Yeah. What's your next point?

[00:45:56] Well, that one was definitely one of mine as well. So. But I think I kind of, yeah, everything that I had and that was covered. So then, like, really the last point, main point that I've got is one that I've thrown in the past couple of weeks. So we just continue the arc, continue the storyline. Kate versus Joe. Again, just the more that she's really gearing up and finding herself on an opposite side of her husband.

[00:46:24] Because, you know, at first with the Reagan thing that she still had no idea. But it's still, she's like, why would Reagan step down? Why would she hand me this? Why is she doing? It's driving her crazy. She's like, that's not Reagan. Reagan. So that's where she's like calling up people. She ends up calling the person who buried a lot of the information on Joe in London and is now like, what did you bury? Like, because I like that moment.

[00:46:53] It's like, I know I'm the one that hired you. So it's like, you can tell me. But yeah, she's now digging back in of like, okay, the things that I tried to get, you know, taken care of and pushed under the rug and gone. I think I need to know what I'm dealing with. And then, yeah, she, I mentioned earlier, she sees Bronte after the massage that comes out to talk to the masseuse and correctly assumes what was going on between them. However, I did have this like, you know, devil's advocate moment.

[00:47:20] I was like, you could make an argument that he was just treating his employee to a massage as a gift. He wasn't there at the time. However, if everything is above board, he would have mentioned to his wife that he was letting said employee live in the apartment above the shop. Like the fact that everything about her was a secret. It's like, yeah, small secrets open doors to bigger ones. Right. Yeah. So, yeah. So she assumes correctly because it is. I was like, you can make little arguments.

[00:47:49] You could try to cover, but it's like, no, she knows what she's saying. She knows what it is. And that's what, yeah, really pisses her off. And again, with that conversation with Teddy, I forgot to mention, we learned she's also gunning for custody of Henry, which I applaud her for that. Like even in all this, she does love the kid. Like she's willing to step up and just fully be his mother and help him grow past Joe in whatever capacity that ends up being if she can.

[00:48:16] Like kind of wanting to take him and protect him from everything and help him through it. Like that's a big step because she could. She's in a position where she'd be like, we take Joe down and then I just get my life back the way that it was before. And I don't have to. She has no like necessarily like obligation to raise this kid. But the fact that she wants to, I'm like, okay, team Kate on that. Like applaud you for that. Yeah. Yeah. I felt the same.

[00:48:44] I was like, good on you, Kate, you know, for, you know, still, still wanting to be a part of Henry's life. You know, and she's like, well, I love him too. And I was like, all right. I like to hear that. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then we get one more like argument between them, which at first I thought her immediately getting up and pouring out the tea was just kind of petty. But then I was like, I don't know if you'd take that with, you know, the knife that was poorly hidden in the bed.

[00:49:14] It's like she fears for her life. She's not taking a chance on. He could have poisoned that. Like, who knows what he's willing to do or capable of in any moment. She doesn't, especially after like the research she had done, she's like, I'm not going to be the next love Quinn or Marianne. Like, that's not me. So she's being really careful. So she doesn't drink the tea. She pours it out. She's got the knife there. We're speaking of Marianne. Maybe we won't see her, hear from her again. And like, part of me hopes we do.

[00:49:42] Like, again, like that, like we even talked about it, like season four is like, do we bring in all the other, like, you know, side characters that escaped the death grip of Joe and have them team up to take him down. But then there is another part of me. I'm like, you know, honestly, if she's successfully fully off the grid, that's a great happy ending for her. And I hope she doesn't have to get involved ever again. Like, yeah, that's great. Yeah. I'd be okay with that, too. Yeah. After I'm kind of with you, I was kind of rethinking some of that.

[00:50:10] I'm like, no, I think we've got some really good, interesting characters in the season that we don't really need to bring anyone back. We always talk like, oh, it'd be really great last season, bring everyone, you know, bring someone back or something. But I don't think that we need to with, I think it's been pretty satisfying so far. But yeah, let's leave poor Marianne and her daughter, you know. Let her be. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, the knife. And again, you know, he comes back in with the knife and what is this?

[00:50:39] And starts another huge fight with a bunch of major things that are being yelled out loud with, again, no worry of Henry. Sorry, Zohar. Not hearing every single word in full clarity. I don't know why. Or staff. Right. Like, I know, I think I've seen someone that takes care of the house or whatever.

[00:51:07] I'm like, do you not have people coming or going? And now you've got a son upstairs and kids don't always stay in their beds. You know, I used to sneak out of my bed all the time and, you know, creep around the corner and, you know, like, oh, what are they talking about? You know, or, you know, listening in. So, yeah, it's a lot. But, yeah, this argument, Kate's just very done with the bullshit. Like, and that's where she drops the D word.

[00:51:38] The big D. And so that just gives him that, like, free reign, he believes. He's like, okay, cool, then I'm going to go back to Bronte. Which, again, because she even brings that up. She's like, you know, and you're sleeping with the shop girl and he doesn't respond to that at all. It's very telling in its own right. Because you think somebody like Joe would be so quick to, like, I got to defend myself. And no, I would never.

[00:52:04] And so the fact that even he just has nothing to say about that, it's like cat's out of the bag. And what's the point of fighting it anymore? Yeah. No point in trying to lie or cover it up because relationship's over. So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that whole thing with the knife. And I thought, what in the world? That seemed like a really bad choice. Like, I get Kate is fearful for her safety.

[00:52:33] And she doesn't know what Joe might do at any moment. Especially, like you said, made a good point about the tea in the sink. Like, he could have put something in that, you know. So she's very much on edge around him. But I thought, gosh, if you've got a, you know, a little kid that climbs up into your bed for story time or whatever. Or could even come into bed at any time. And, you know, if they have a bad dream or there's a storm and they come climb in bed with you.

[00:53:01] You know, do you really want to have a big ass knife up there within reach, you know? So that seemed like a poor choice, I think, on her part. You know, I would at least maybe, I don't know, have it in my bedside drawer or something. Have it close by or something. But I'm like, I don't know if that was such a good idea.

[00:53:24] And I found it interesting, though, that I just, I was surprised that she didn't already know the things that she had this person scrub from the internet. Because I feel like the Kate that we knew in season four would have wanted to know those things. So, I don't know.

[00:53:52] I feel like if you're going to tie yourself to someone, you know, in a marriage, you'd want to know those things. I don't know. Like, it was one thing to, like, have someone else investigate it, but to not even ask, like, what did you find? You know, like, I'd want to know. I'd be like, I don't know that I'd want to be in the dark. I'm like, if I'm going to commit myself to someone like that and if I've got the money to have that person, you know, fully investigated, you know, maybe that's terrible. Maybe that's terrible. I don't know.

[00:54:22] But I'm like, if that person has confessed to, you know, yep, I've done some bad things, but it was out of protection. I was protecting myself, you know. I'd be like, hmm, I don't know. I think I'd want to know more. Yeah. So, I don't know. I don't know. There's a lot of trust that she was, like, having somebody find all the things and they're like, but don't tell me because I trust him and I don't need to know. It's like, all right. Yeah.

[00:54:52] It's like, I don't know. That's awful, awful trusting, like you said, to like, oh, you've only killed three people. Oh, okay. Well, okay. Then surely you haven't, like, killed more or there's not more that you're not telling me or whatever. I don't know. I'm just like, I feel like the Kate in season four would have been asking more. Like, okay, well, tell me what you found.

[00:55:14] And I found it interesting, too, that, you know, all the things that she's learned about Joe, she doesn't cry until she finds out that he's cheated on. Right. Right. Right. He killed a politician and then we framed a college student who's now an innocent person in prison. And that's fine, but he cheated on me. Yeah.

[00:55:42] I'm like, oh, that's where the line is. Okay. I mean, still sucks. Absolutely. Right. Sucks. But Joe does have a pattern for that, for sure, which she found out. But I'm like, well, you know. I said, go kill my uncle and then he did. The person who's been like the closest family member in this whole thing to me for years and years and years since I was a little girl. No tears there, but infidelity. That's the line officially.

[00:56:13] Yeah. I mean, still sucks. Not okay. Right. For sure. By any means. But I was just like, oh, that's when we get upset. Yeah. I don't know. I, well, and then, you know, they're, as Teddy and Kate, you know, they're, they're talking about all of these things that they've found out about Joe.

[00:56:35] And she's talking about what she's learned about Marianne and love and how she helped cover or helped, you know, sell this whole story, you know, about, about Joe. And she just allowed herself to believe it. She didn't dig any deeper. She believed what she told him. And, uh, Teddy, Teddy's like kind of freaking out. Like, Hey, I don't think you're safe. And I don't know if I'm safe.

[00:57:03] Like now, you know, some things, I know some things that's not great. And she's like, no, no, no, no, we're fine. We're fine. Joe doesn't know that we know. Yeah. As long as he doesn't find out. It's like, oh, the guy who somehow manages to like sleuth into anybody's anything online and find out anything that they know at any time. As long as he doesn't know, we're good. Well, yeah. How long does that last? Well, but there's the thing.

[00:57:34] Kate tells Joe, like, within like the next scene, it's like, just be quiet, Teddy. We're just as long as Joe doesn't know, we're fine. But then what does she do? She tells Joe, like, I know what you did. And I'm like, oh, what was your plan? She was just that close from going, and then I told Teddy. I'm like, well, now Joe knows that, you know, you, you know, these things and you're questioning things and finding out more things.

[00:58:04] And I'm like, now you're not so safe is what you thought you were. So I don't know what, what the plan was there. So I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen. This episode was just totally wild. Yeah. Do you have any other points? No more points. Okay. Got some notes. Let's see. Random notes.

[00:58:32] Again, I can't do a good Joe Goldberg impression, so I don't even try. But just, again, quoting with him here, it's shocking how good I am at spinning these plates. I laughed at that line because I was like, how perfect, Rima, you just made the plate spinning analogy last week. So, like. I think I totally missed that line. I didn't pick up on that at all. Yeah. Yeah. He's a plate spinner. Uh-huh. Let's see. Yeah.

[00:59:01] Joe is upset about his wife being done with him and his side piece is fully ghosting him, so he'll blow off steam the old-fashioned way, internet sleuthing and breaking into someone's home. Hat of invisibility, activate. Damn hat. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. And then last, again, is just the music thing. It's just like Cigarettes After Sex and the XX. Again, and this is probably just a weekly note, but music choices. Never miss. Whoever the music producer for this show is, their playlist is fire, and they know what they're doing now.

[00:59:32] Yeah. Kudos to the music folks on the show. They always hit the mark. Yes. I mean, I always, anytime I hear the XX, it just makes me very happy. Such a great band. Yeah.

[00:59:47] I didn't have any, like, big-time notes, but I did just make an observation that really eked me out, and that was when Joe got into his bed, whenever he was going to go read a story to Henry at bedtime, and he still had his outdoor New York clothes on, and he climbed underneath the blankets. Oh. That's nasty. Sorry. I might be a weirdo for that, but that's just me.

[01:00:16] You get it? I'm like, dude, New York is nasty, and you're still wearing your clothes, and you climb under your sheets? Yuck. Mm-hmm. But that's just me. Just calling that out. That's all I've got. I, you know, those were, like, the bigger points of, you know, what I wanted to talk about. Yeah. So I think that's a good place to wrap it up and see what our listeners had to say.

[01:00:45] So do you want to kick us off this week? All right. Yeah. First one comes from Catherine, who says, I can't seem to remember anything about the rest of the episode after that ending. Joe can't possibly cover up a live stream murder. I love that because it feels like, it feels so relatable. Like, I don't know what the hell else happened, but that ending? Holy crap. So relatable. Thanks, Catherine.

[01:01:14] Alma writes in and says, I knew Maddie was going to crack under pressure. I like the bathroom scene where Maddie started arguing with Reagan herself. What a great scene. And now Kate knows a little more. Mm-hmm. Yeah, she does. She knows almost everything. And we got a voice message this week from our friend Steve. Yay. Let's see what he has to say.

[01:01:43] Hello, Strange Indeed. This is Steve. And I was trying to get caught up because I'm not sure what episode you might be on. I know My Fair Maddie is already released, so that's the one I'm finishing watching. But I have a prediction. I haven't finished the episode yet. But I think that it actually was Reagan who killed Maddie and then switched clothes with her. Well, we may find out by the end of this episode or maybe the next one. Okay, just finished episode four. So now on to episode five, Last Dance. Hopefully that's the one you're recording today.

[01:02:12] I guess I'll find out. But no reveal at the end. But there, Joe and Bronte getting together right at the end of episode four. I don't know. And what about the body? We don't see anything about the other body, the dead body, whichever twin it actually is. Of course, actually, if this really is Maddie pretending to be Reagan, that means she's diabetic, right? So she's got to be taking her insulin somewhere. Ooh, and now she's having hallucinations of her twin. By the way, not that it matters a whole lot to me, but this show really throws the C word around a lot. I mean, it would make Carl Irvin from The Boys proud.

[01:02:42] Oh, so Kate now knows that Joe's cheating on her and she's revealing everything to Teddy. This is not going to be good. Okay, so if this really is Maddie, she's freaking out about having to pretend to be Reagan. And I can't even comment about the sex scene or the not quite sex scene. Okay, and so now Bronte has left right. I mean, we know that Joe was an unreliable narrator from previous seasons, so who knows? Whoa, a knife in the bed. Whoa, a whole lot right there with that knife at Joe's chest.

[01:03:11] And now she's saying divorce. Wow. Does anything say worry about me more than definitely don't worry about me? Of course. Hey, so the stoned out waiter from the diner guy recognizes Joe. You're that guy. Whoa. So, okay, so he just told Bronte he's going to divorce. And now Kate shows up at Reagan's house, but she thinks Maddie is, oh, this is so confusing. Okay, so now whichever twin, now she's going to go upstairs, change clothes, and come down as Reagan. Ugh. Ooh.

[01:03:41] Crazy Maddie. Maybe it is Maddie. Pretending to be Reagan. And now she's, and is she going to kill Kate? This is a very intense scene right now. But Anna Camp is playing crazy really well. Oh, and now Bronte wants to be the one in control. Oh, no, sorry. He, she is letting him tie her up. Oh, I don't have any words. But now, okay, so now, does Kate just tell Teddy everything? Wait, and now Clayton shows up? Oh, no, he's going to die. Who is this that just burst in the room now?

[01:04:12] What? Oh, my goodness. I guess I got to go to episode six, maybe. I'll wait at least a little bit, though. That was a trip. So much going on. So much good. Yeah, it's fun. A lot is always, it's hard to keep up with. A lot goes on in these episodes. Thank you, Steve, for your voice message as always. You were right with episode five this week.

[01:04:39] So next week we will be covering episode six of you, which is titled The Dark Face of Love. Hmm. Interesting. Interesting. No clue as to the context of that, because we like to be surprised. Don't want any spoilers. It's enough that we get, like, when you're trying to scroll through the episodes, you know, trying to get to that next episode, when you're ready to watch, there's pictures that they've got on there.

[01:05:08] And I'm always just, like, trying to, like, half close my eyes. Like, don't look, don't look, don't look. I don't want to. So with a title like that, and maybe the internet conspiracy theorist who just won't let go of the fact that she's gone can now be like, see, Victoria Petretti is coming back for this episode. She's going to say it's an interesting title. You know, knowing that, you know, they'll do anything to try and bring her back. They're just teasing us. But, you know, who wouldn't want Victoria Petretti back?

[01:05:38] She is just... It's always great seeing her. Yeah. She is just fantastic. I need random tangents since we do all the Flanagan stuff. She needs to come back for another Flanagan project soon. 100%. 100%. Yeah. She's fantastic. I can't wait. I'm still going to... I know I didn't get to complete my rewatch of you from the beginning in prep for this season, but I'm still going to go back and do that. I'm going to jump back in once we've covered it and kind of go back and just kind of see the whole thing.

[01:06:07] And I can't wait to get to that season again. I love Quinn. She was awesome. Okay. I know she was bad, but fun to watch. I'll say that. Yes. Fun to watch. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah. So if any of you would like to write in, leave us a message, voicemail, email, any of those things for feedback on these episodes,

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