328 "Trial of the Furies" (YOU S5E9)

[00:00:00] Hmm? Ah! Hmm. Podcastica! Hey everybody, I'm Rima. And I'm Pake. And this is Strange Indeed, a podcast dedicated to the Netflix show, YOU.

[00:00:23] Today we are covering Season 5, Episode 9, the penultimate episode. Not just the season, the whole series. Oh no, what do we do? Uh, yes, this one's titled... The whole series, we'll just re-watch? Yeah, right, we'll just start again. Yeah, yeah, so the penultimate episode here, titled Trial of the Furies.

[00:00:46] Well, they did not disappoint in the penultimate by giving us one, uh, you know, another episode full of just wild twists and turns and just banana, bananas. Mm-hmm. I don't know, what did you think? So much, so much, yeah. I think we even said it last week, you mentioned, you're like, we always know the penultimate episode is always gonna be crazy.

[00:01:11] They're gonna, you gotta leave us on that, like, big cliffhanger to, like, really see how everything wraps up in the finale. So you gotta have something big leading into it. And yeah, there was definitely a lot of big pieces in this one from surprise returns, cameos, uh, major moments, uh, that definitely change everything for some people.

[00:01:37] Yeah, it was, it was huge. A lot of, a lot of big stuff happened in this one that I'm just very excited, but also a little scared to see how this all ends. Yeah, yeah, no kidding. Uh, I, and, and I know I said that, but it still didn't help me really predict or expect what happened to happen. You know, I just thought, oh, well, we're gonna have some pretty crazy stuff.

[00:02:06] But even though, you know, I, I knew that, I, I nowhere near imagined some of the things that happened. So, uh, we're gonna, we're gonna talk about all the, all the craziness. Yeah. In this week's episode. So let's, let's go ahead and start talking about it because there's a, there's a lot to talk about, uh, and kind of moving us forward.

[00:02:29] It's definitely, I'm very curious to see how it, this episode and everything that happened really pushes us forward into that final episode. So let's, let's go ahead and start with our, with our points. Yeah. Where do you, where do you want to kick us off tonight? All right. I have less points. Usually I've, I've done really good this whole time of having like four major ones and then notes. I only have three big ones, but then I was like, my extra notes are kind of like one of their own. Cause I have so many of them that are just kind of random all over the board.

[00:02:58] I was like, that's kind of like a whole just extra point just in randomness. But, uh. Yeah. That's okay. There's no, there's no counting. Right. No, no competition here. You're allowed to have, however, we're, we're going to cover it all regardless of how many points we have. So. But yeah, so, uh, I'll start with one that I titled Bronte. I would say, figure it out. Um. Nice title.

[00:03:25] That just, uh, was, I get, we've been like, so she's been so interesting this whole season. Is, you know, starting from, oh, you know, what's her game plan? Is there something, is she really as earnest as we think she is? There's something going on. Then getting the reveal of her true intentions and what all that was and being like, oh, okay. So she's on that side. And then seeing her fully buy into Joe. Yeah.

[00:03:49] And then getting so frustrated with her fully forgetting everything that she like seemed to come there for and, and with in mind. And that frustration of that. And so he, through this episode being like, God, she's in so deep. But then finally seeing thanks to, you know, a couple of different things, those pieces starting to chisel away.

[00:04:09] And where we're left with her at the end of this episode is hopefully she's back in a right mindset and, and, and the place that she needs to be for the, the best outcome for her.

[00:04:51] Um, but yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah. And then, yeah, he's still trying to get Henry back and then he's fully good with moving away from New York, wherever Bronte wants to go. So even a castle. Um, of course he's got the engagement ring already. I'm like, you know what? Honestly, classic Joe. Um, why would we be surprised? Yeah. Typically that should be a kind of, I don't know if it'd be a red flag, but it's definitely like a, come on Bronte. Like.

[00:05:22] Well, she's jumped right into the deep end immediately. And it's like. Yeah. Well, it's like you were jokingly saying last week, she's just kind of waving them all away. Like. Yeah. All those red flags are popping up. Oh, that's, that's nothing. Yeah. What are these? Uh. And then just had that conversation, like with them out going on their walk and. You know, there's like, Oh, the Lockwoods are so, such terrible people.

[00:05:49] And the way he paints that, he goes, you know, the Lockwoods think less of human life. And I'm like, says the guy who literally just confessed to liking the feeling of killing people. Yeah. He's so original. I know. But then Bronte is like eating it up and she's like, yeah, it's just, I can't believe they did that to you. And I'm just like, Bronte, are you dumb or stupid? I'm like, which. So, yeah, she, as I mentioned, finally gets on the right page at the end of this episode.

[00:06:18] At least she friggin better be. No more twists with her, please. I think we've had enough of that. Um. I hope she's. She's in that right place. Of course, yeah, while they're out there, um. In the park. Joe tries to make this grand gesture by buying her castle. And that's when he finds out that, yeah. As one does. Kate's drained everything. Uh. Money gone. Assets gone. Moonies is still under their name. So, gone. Apartment. Everything. Locked up.

[00:06:48] Uh. And then we don't see Bronte for a little bit after that because she, you know, goes off to do her. Book. You know, meeting. She gets a book deal to write her book about her and Joe. So maybe it's, you know, Beck's book 2.0. Um. Maybe she still has that deal after everything is over and she can just do a tell-all on Joe Goldberg. That could be cool. Yeah. She'd have a first-hand account.

[00:07:15] I mean, granted, if she has seen the light by the end, you know, at the end of this episode. Right. Which I know, I know we'll talk about. But, yeah. Yeah. She would have a lot to tell. For sure. And then I think that's the turning point, though, is then after that is from every time we see her from that point is her kind of whittling down in that facade of being broken down. We get her first and last meeting with Kate. Um.

[00:07:44] They meet face-to-face. And Kate's just kind of calmly trying to talk about Joe and the position she knows that Bronte's in. But at that moment, Bronte's in way too deep to listen. Mm-hmm. But it comes later when she has that conversation with Marianne. And that one, which I'll talk about more in detail later, uh. I think that one definitely broke through a little bit more and started soaking in a little bit. She was like, oh, shit. Because she goes and calls Dom after that.

[00:08:15] Um. After that conversation with Marianne, who doesn't answer, of course. Don't blame her. Um. But I think that's where Bronte's starting to really realize how wrong she was. And then, again, I was like, all caps in my notes. I said, at least she better be. No more flip-flopping with Bronte for the love of all that is good in the entire universe. Let this be it. Uh. Same. Uh. And then after. Spoiler alert. Kate dies. Uh. And then Joe's down there ready to, you know.

[00:08:44] Accept that fate for himself. Bronte comes back down and rescues him from the burning building. And I was very conflicted, but she does say some stuff. Kind of. She had. We have our own inner monologue with her, which was interesting. Mm. At the end of the episode. Then it kind of flipped to her. Bronte's inner monologue talking about, you know, you towards Joe. Um. Um. But I was like, okay, you want justice and whatever. It's like, I don't know. Maybe you should have just left him down there then. Um.

[00:09:14] That seems like that's the justice for him. So, I was like, what is the real point of catfishing him one more time by accepting his proposal and stuff? But then I think about it, you know, because she mentions, you know, real justice and things being set right. And she's the only one who can do that. And I was like, I assume really what she mainly means by that is getting a confession from him to, you know, honor Clayton by exonerating his father, Dr. Nicky.

[00:09:44] And by doing that, also being able to find out for certain that he killed Beck. Like, there's a lot of questions that she knows if she just lets him die in a fire down in that basement will never be answered for her or anybody else. Mm-hmm. And so that's the only thing I can, like, hold on to. Like, that's why she did that? But she's putting herself right back into that, like, really dangerous position of, like, you know, trying to take him down from right there attached at his hip. And she's firsthand seeing how dangerous he can be.

[00:10:14] It's like, is it worth it? Do you want those answers that bad? Or it's like, you could have just left him down there. So. Well, and also, like, if she has, you know, come out the other side and has kind of woken up and shaken off this, you know, delusion that she has had being with him. And is that what she's hoping for is to get more confessions?

[00:10:42] But if she has turned around, she has to realize how dangerous it is for her. I mean, look at everything that he's done. If she has finally come to believe all of these things that people have been trying to tell her about him. I mean, she's in a really dangerous spot. She's taken a huge risk, you know, and maybe she and I don't know what her what she's looking to gain.

[00:11:11] I'm sure we'll find out in the finale, like what her plan is when she's talking about getting justice or whatever. But we know, like, Kate, you know, got a very short little confession, at least in regarding to her father and then love that, you know, he poisoned her. She didn't actually die in the fire. He did it to cover up evidence, you know. So we at least got that much.

[00:11:31] So you could hope that if that was the end of it right there, like if Bronte did not whatever plan she's devising to try to I don't know if maybe it is to get him to confess. But you could say, well, if if they're able to confirm those things that Kate was able to draw for him that she sent to Nadia to be able to provide to the police, then couldn't they look into all the other things and then be able to, you know, prove that these things were Joe to maybe exonerate like Dr.

[00:11:58] Nikki and, you know, Nadia and, you know, you know, everyone else. So I don't know. It's like, do you have to go that far? Is it worth the risk? Could you just hope that what was sent to Nadia would be enough to start untangling everything that, you know, Joe has done? Yeah. I don't know, but I'm with you.

[00:12:22] I hope that, you know, this is the last round of her, you know, kind of flipping and I hope it's for the better. And I'm interested to see what her what her plan is. I'm ready for another good twist. You know, we've got to have a twist somewhere. We're on the final episode. So we'll we'll see. All of that was good. Bronte, Bronte. She's an interesting character. Well, you touched on it.

[00:12:50] Her her scene with with Marianne. I want to go ahead and just talk about it since since you brought it up. I know you said you had a point. So feel free to jump in wherever.

[00:13:28] Whatever. And her and Joe. That all made me cry. And it could have also just been the inclusion of Exile from Taylor Swift playing also during. Yeah. That song is a real kick in the gut to me. Oftentimes it really gets the emotions going. It's a beautiful, beautiful song. So it could have been that, too. But I still felt very emotional.

[00:13:49] I think Love's monologue to Joe and how she kind of she kind of had that realization that Marianne kind of talks about in this in her monologue about kind of waking up and realizing, oh, my gosh, you know, look what I've allowed you to do to me. Right. Right. That she kind of had. And I've got Marianne's monologue here, which I just want to read really quick because it was so impactful and just beautiful. And they did such an amazing job.

[00:14:17] So she says men like Joe, they they really catch you off guard, don't they? Even when you think you have all the facts, even when you think your hard fought instincts are so good, even though a voice in the back of your mind is whispering, telling you don't be fooled by a smile. It's all too good to be true. The way he sees you, the way he loves you, even when you don't love yourself. Don't believe it when he tells you he'll take care of you.

[00:14:45] Definitely don't assume the best when he says he'll keep you safe. You ignore that voice because it feels so good to love him and be loved by him like it's you and him against the world. You know what bad looks like. You know better. Bad things happen. You have to believe they're not actually bad. Right. Because if you got fooled by this guy, you're not as smart as you thought you were. You're one of those women. You know, the ones you deep down think you're smarter than can't be you.

[00:15:13] But he has convinced you that you need him and he's wormed himself so, so deep. You don't know whether you're Bronte or Louise or Marianne or Beck or none of those or nothing. You're not stupid. And as long as you're alive, it's not too late. Wow.

[00:15:37] Just I don't know if I'm going to be able to articulate how that monologue of hers really impacted me. And I'm sure lots of people who watched the episode. I felt like it was an incredible insight into what it's being like after you've been in an abusive relationship. Because I feel like that is how you think.

[00:16:03] Like you can't think that that's going to happen to you because you're just too smart, you know, to be manipulated that way. Right.

[00:16:13] And I think they did a really, really did a good job of kind of getting that mentality, you know, because it all wraps up how all of these, you know, smart women, you know, Beck and Love and Marianne and Kate and Bronte.

[00:16:34] You know, I've been really hard on Bronte, but after after and I know it was last episode because, again, I'm just like, oh, my gosh, why are you falling for this? And it's so easy for us. I'll speak for myself, myself as a watcher to be so frustrated because you're on the outside looking in. Yeah. It's easy when you're on the, you know, when you're on the outside of a relationship. It's a lot different when you're on the inside to see those things.

[00:17:05] And the thing about men like Joe, they're very good at what they do. I mean, even as an audience member, you know, I just want to smack myself sometimes. I'm like, why are you rooting for this guy? You know, I have this season. It's definitely not been as much this season because we're really starting to see like those cracks. I think they're doing a good job. Yeah.

[00:17:30] Not just like kind of breaking down Kate and her opening her eyes to who Joe is. But, you know, I hope anyway now Bronte kind of kind of seeing that. I feel like myself as an audience member, they're doing that to me, too. They're like they're breaking that down. Like, yeah, you're not supposed to be rooting for this guy. And, you know, I know that in the back of my head. But God, he just kills his character. No pun intended. Does such an amazing job.

[00:17:58] He's so charismatic and plays it so well. It's easy to kind of fall for that. So anyway, you know, I think they did such a good representation of this that, you know, I'm like, gosh, you've been really hard on Bronte. It's really hard to judge her character when you're on the outside and a lot different than when you're on the inside. And I really, like you, think that that scene with Marianne and her talking to her, I mean, it kind of started with Kate.

[00:18:26] I think Kate kind of like, I know where you're at. I've been there, too. And she was very real with her. And I think that kind of started those little cracks. And then Marianne was really kind of, you know, breaking it down even further. And there was, you know, some really good sections in this monologue when she says men like Joe, they really catch you off guard, don't they?

[00:18:49] And she's so good because she's naming a type of man that, like Joe, very charming and attentive. And he disguises his control as like caring for you. Like, I care for you and I love you, but it's all control, which we know that, right? I mean, we all have seen that over the years. And then when she says, even when you think you have all the facts, your hard-fought instincts,

[00:19:17] a voice in the back of your mind, you know, she's acknowledging that gaslighting effect of someone like Joe has on you. You know, it's like, you know, something's not right. You're not listening to your own intuition. And, you know, how they just make you question your reality. Then there's the illusion of love, like the way that he, when she says the way that he sees you, the way he loves you, even when you don't love yourself.

[00:19:43] You know, what Joe is really good at is he's good at reflecting back the version of you that he wants you to believe exists. And it's intoxicating because it plays into your insecurities, you know, when you, when someone behaves that way with you. And then when she says, because if you got fooled by this guy, you're not as smart as you thought you were, you're one of those women.

[00:20:09] And when Marion says that, it, it really gets to the root of why some people might not leave someone like Joe. And that's because of shame. And it's because you think you're too smart to be caught up in something like that and to be manipulated. When she goes on, you don't know whether you're Bronte, Louise, Marianne or Beck or none of those or nothing. She's kind of talking about like someone like Joe really breaking down who you are.

[00:20:37] You don't even recognize yourself anymore. But then she comes back when she says, you're not stupid. As long as you're alive, it's not too late. And I think that gives us that resistance that you can get out. You can be yourself and you can heal. Yeah. So that, that monologue just, that was so impactful. So beautiful.

[00:21:01] Did a one, you know, the, the writers did a great job and the actress just amazing. So. Yeah. I, yeah. Toddy, Gabrielle or Gabrielle. I'm excited to see her back. And then also just in this show, but then just big things coming with her. Of course, you know, Last of Us season two, she was in that and great, you know, great

[00:21:29] stuff is as little as she popped in and out of that. But like, because of that, cause it's fun that, uh, you know, Druckmann and, and Mazin had her in that show because if you're aware the next like Naughty Dog game that's in development, that's coming out, I think next year sometime. Um, which of course is the studio that did Last of Us and it's Neil Druckmann that's running it. And so it's his game. The next game is, uh, uh, what's the name of it?

[00:21:58] Um, but she is the, the lead character, the main character in that game. Like it's the mocap and like her likeness and her voice and everything like you're playing as her. Um. Wow. That's awesome. And so I'm, I'm, I'm looking forward to that. It's, uh, called Intergalactic, the heretic prophet. So it's like a very space sci-fi kind of game. Um, but yeah, I'm, I'm stoked for that. Cause I was like, yes, more for her. She's great. Yeah.

[00:22:27] That's yeah. She's fantastic. She deserves all of that. Um, because she's, I think a really great and compelling actress. So good for her. It was just great to see her back. It was unexpected, but you know, uh, really great, great to see her back and really giving it to Joe. Yeah. Cause that's, that's one of my main points too is, is Marianne, uh, which yeah, you covered

[00:22:51] that whole conversation and way more than even I know, even cause I didn't have it even like written down. So it's like, I just kind of had some thoughts about, Oh, and it was kind of here, the parallels and how they talked about you did an incredible job with that. So yeah, I don't, I don't need to worry about that. But like some of the other stuff, even just, I really didn't think she was going to be coming back. I remember this whole kind of season as we've talked, I was like, I think Marianne's done. I think she's gotten away. She's doing her own thing and good for her. Um, so I wasn't expecting her.

[00:23:20] And so it made for a really great reveal when she did pop back. I got really excited cause it was really cool. Like moment with like Joe and Nadia, which I, you know, not even like we had about Marianne Bellamy. It's like, you tried to kill her. And I love that reaction. He goes, tried. And then she walks into the room and just that, that line says, you should, you know, you should have killed me better, Joe. So, ah, love it. Yeah. Really great. I wasn't expecting it either. So yeah. Nice surprise. I agree. Yeah.

[00:23:48] And then her conversation with Joe while she's on the outside and he's in that cage and just her tearing him apart was so good where he's got this, he's still so deluded to think he was really saving Marianne and the other women. He was like, no, because if it wasn't for me, then, you know, I covered up for your addiction and your crimes and the charges you had and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You'd be nothing without me. And she's not having it. And I, I love it. And I was like, yeah, damn drag his ass, Marianne.

[00:24:16] You know, the point is like, he brings up her daughter and I love again, just because it's such a powerful thing where she's like, yo, oh, Juliet, you want to talk about Juliet? And it's like, I've been so overprotective of her, even to the point that I recognize it. Uh, and she resents me for that to some degree, but I love, she goes, but every time she walks out that door, I'm terrified. She's going to meet someone like you. You are not a white knight, Joe. You are a fucking abuser. I'm like, oh yes. Just read him. Go. Yes. So good.

[00:24:47] So good. And it's amazing to see how he with, with Nadia, with Kate, with Marianne, still up to his old tricks, trying to still manipulate them. But, you know, she wasn't having it and I was, I was here for it. Yeah. It was awesome. I think the only mistake she made, and it's really not, I mean, cause it ended up kind of, I mean, maybe things fell apart a little bit, but what, the game was going to go the way it was going to go. Uh, she screws up a little bit by, you know, because she's so frustrated with him after she's

[00:25:16] done just kind of spouting all that out of him to go, you know, no matter what you do, you're going to fucking die in there. And he, he believes that. And so that's where he kind of calls Nadia and Kate on their lies where he's like, okay, I see what confess or don't confess. It doesn't matter. You have no plans on actually letting me out of here. Okay. So they're like, it, it changes up his tactics a little bit. So that's one thing, but I mean, it's Joe, like nothing was going to go as easily as planned anyway. That's just not how this works. Definitely not.

[00:25:48] Definitely not. There's always a shift in there somewhere. Mm hmm. Well, I know, um, that was also one of, you know, you were kind of tagging onto mine because it was also one of your points. Do you want to kick off with another, another point? Uh, yeah. Like I said, or, or you can cause I have one big one left. Um, which just, uh, yes, I can go into it or not. Uh, it's up to you. That is up to you. Yeah. Uh, sure. I'll get out the way and then you can go from there.

[00:26:18] Uh, I mean, here's, here's the big one. It's like what I've been doing a lot this season. We've, we've seen this same point come up a lot of times. So this one titled it's Joe versus Kate, the final showdown. Uh, and it was a good one. Yeah. And just to see them throughout the whole episode, even before they're like face to face is, it was like interesting. I was like, I want to say cat and mouse. I was like, no, it's cat and cat, mouse and mouse. Like they're both, you know, circling around each other.

[00:26:47] Uh, you know, Joe thinks, Oh, Kate's so careless leaving the AirPods on so I can track. And then, you know, I, I managed to lure her back to New York with Maddie and Harrison's arrests. And then on the other end you have Kate like, Oh yeah, we purposely left, left those traceable because I know he's going to fall for the bait and then follow me to that exact location. Like they're both playing each other. They know each other well enough, or at least Joe thinks he knows Kate well enough. And then I think Kate really was the smarter one in this episode for sure. Oh yeah.

[00:27:17] And so their original plan, Kate and Adia's plan, uh, having a hitman take out Joe when he follows the, the decoy with the earbuds. However, the Maddie, the Maddie situation did complicate things a bit. Um, that wasn't something Kate was planning on being a part of it. And so her sisterly duty requires her, Oh no, now I have to get Joe to confess to free Maddie and Harrison first before we take him out. Um, which Nadia is like, really?

[00:27:46] Like he's you're, you're falling into his, his, you know, you can't be cutesy about it. You can't play games with him. We had this plan. You should have just gone with it. You see Nadia really kind of breaking down of like, even though like Kate's not giving in to Joe the way that you normally people would, he still is like, or, you know, just certain things that he's doing is making her be like, well, maybe I can get him to confess. Maybe we can do this first. Maybe we can. And Nadia is just like, uh, no, why aren't we just killing him? Like consequences be damned.

[00:28:16] We'll deal with them when we get there. But like first things first, we need to take Joe Goldberg, Joe Goldberg out of the equation. That's what we need to worry about. And Kate, not necessarily in that same path, but then, yeah, after the money is drained and Moonies is closed down and all the eviction notes and stuff, that's when Joe is fully on the war path. And he's like, okay, now, because at first he was going to be like, let me just see what I can do to get Henry back or confront her. And then now he's like, no, now she has to die.

[00:28:43] Uh, so now we have the husband and wife deciding they need to kill each other. Um, you get a Mr. Mrs. Smith situation here, right? Uh, a little bit. Um, be a cap of invisibility on clearly stalking a woman down the streets of New York, but that's completely unnoticed because the hat does its job. Uh, into the parking garage and not Kate, uh, which I was thinking is like, well, on Kate's

[00:29:11] part, it's like, that's a very dangerous position to put this random woman in. Um, right. So your job is to be, I was like, so I'm going to need you to dress like me and then have a well-known serial killer follow you into a parking garage where nobody else is around. Got it? Yeah. Um, like I, I know like Kate wasn't wrong when she's like, you know, you're so predictable because Joe is predictable. He's got a pattern. That's for sure. And Kate nailed it. But I was like, dang, how did you know exactly what he was going to do?

[00:29:41] I realized that that bodyguard or hit me, whoever it was that came up behind Joe and got him, but I'm like, how did you know you were going to get there in time? How'd you know what Joe was going to do to get to Kate or who he thought was Kate in time? And, and, and, you know, that, that woman was in danger. So I'm just like, did she have to sign like a waiver or something? Right. Man. But yeah, it goes to plan. So now Kate and Nadia have Joe in the box, the hidden key in the box.

[00:30:11] Removed. Um, the one they knew about, uh, and then they lie to him and tell him, oh yeah, if you confess and you free Maddie and Harrison, then, you know, you can go free somewhere else in the world. We've got, you know, all the stuff is taken care of. We'll send you to an Island, no extradition, yada, yada, yada. Um, on the other hand, they're like, and if not, then death by carbon monoxide leak in the basement, but your choice.

[00:30:39] Um, and that's, you know, they have this back and forth and Joe's like, really? I don't, I don't buy all this stuff. But then Kate says like, no, look, it's all worked out. I was like, if I go down for it, I'm fully prepared to accept that and deal with those consequences. And Henry is taken care of. He's going back to Dante. And that's like the thing that really finally snaps Joe in this episode that pisses him off. Um, and when he knows he's been beaten and he's cornered, he reacts like the rabid

[00:31:08] animal that he is and just starts attacking with words and insults and everything he can throw at him. And that's where it's like, okay, Nadia is tired of the bullshit. She's like, let's just kill him now. Um, and she whips out the gun, which I did think it was funny. Where'd you get a gun? It's like, they're easy to come by in America if you know where to look. I'm like, true. Unfortunately, not that hard. Um, yeah, Kate's still trying to do this cleanly. And so Kate, Nadia and Marian have this conversation.

[00:31:37] And I mean, Nadia is making a good point. You're like, we can't let the justice system fumble this again. We're in a situation is like Bronte was here. So we don't know. Like she's a wild card. Kate's like, she's going to go to the police. So then Kate makes the call. It's like, I'm going to do it now. I'm going to do it alone. Marian and Nadia have lives that they can return to. Cause like that, you know, Nadia is saying this. It's my life. Let me choose. And she goes, yes. And you deserve to live it. Uh, this is Kate's mess.

[00:32:05] It's her penance for complicity is what she says. Um, so she'll take it upon herself. So she goes downstairs to find open cage, blood splatters on the ground. And she gets attacked from behind by the vampire lurking in the shadows. Uh, so much foreshadowing. Yeah. Uh, and he overpowers her. Yeah. Take, takes her over, shoots her with the gun that Nadia brought, knocks her out.

[00:32:33] Uh, of course then I love that like, you know, Joe goes back, uh, up to deal with Maddie or whatever. And then when he comes back down, Kate pulls the same surprise motherfucker on him, which is great. Uh, use his own move against him. Uh, but yeah, it was just like, what like impactful scenes to like, see the, like the two of them just like fully like hash it out violently.

[00:33:00] Uh, tend to kill each other and, you know, knock each other out. And then we kind of at that point where they're both awake, but groggy and then Kate's in worse position because she's been shot. So she's actively bleeding out. Joe still has a chance. The only reason that he accepted he's going to die with her is because he's locked down there with the place burning down. So they're just still accepting death in, in different ways. And as they're just sitting there next to each other, that's what you had.

[00:33:26] Joe decides, well, I might as well just confess and tell the truth, at least about a few things, as you mentioned of her, her dad and love. And just like one, like last act of defiance towards him and, and like justice and whatever. I love that reveal. She's like, thank you. And then like pulls out the phone that she'd been recording that whole thing, sends it to Nadia. And she's like, there, that'll help exonerate some people that you've wronged. Now I can die in peace knowing I did something right. What a boss, man. Yeah.

[00:33:57] It was, it was great. Sad to see Kate go, not get the full justice. Maybe like, I think, cause I never really thought Kate was a bad person. Like she made some stupid decisions. She was complicit in some things, but I think she always had good intentions, at least to some degree. Yeah. Yeah. And I know I've mentioned before, I struggled with Kate last season and you made a good point.

[00:34:24] Like, well, we're kind of seeing her through Joe's eyes and he's obviously an unreliable narrator. It's a really good point. I, I've really, you know, have an appreciation for her this, this whole season. She had that final act, I think of redemption. I think she did redeem herself and I hate that she had to pay for it in that way. You know, that she had to sack that like sacrifice herself for it. But, um, I still don't get how, I know it's fiction. I know it's fiction.

[00:34:53] Um, but it's amazing to me how many people can take a whack on the head and still like speaking in full sentences. I feel like I would just, that would just do me in. I don't think I would be getting up. Like what did he hit her with like a sledgehammer or something? I'm like, yeah, that's. What the hell? I mean, everybody's just whack, whack, whack. And I'm just like, whoa. And I know it's fiction. So, but it's still, it's just like jarring.

[00:35:20] Like that's, that's not real. That kills people. Yeah. So very jarring to see. And just a little, little bit of a, you know, if I can throw a little wedge in there, like plot hole. What about, isn't there a door to the, uh, outside from the basement? Doesn't Joe often come and go from another door somewhere in the, because I feel like he's come from other directions, not just down the stairs.

[00:35:50] Uh, from, from upstairs. He comes like from behind the cage or. I thought, I thought. Oh. I'm trying to remember. Like vaguely. I'm like, that sounds like that was something like that, but I don't remember for sure. But. Because I thought he used to kind of sneak in and out. I don't know that we always saw it. Maybe we did. And I just, because I cannot, you know, recall from that long ago, whenever watch the other seasons. And this is where I really wanted to do my rewatch. So I would have this impression in my memory.

[00:36:17] I thought for sure that there was a door, uh, outside from the basement. Maybe it's locked. Maybe they thought of that. Might have been in the, the Madre Linda one. Hmm. Where they had that set up. But I mean, cause this box that's in Moonies, we've only seen in seasons one and now five. So like there were different boxes in different locations. It's true. I could be getting it mixed up with another one. But. So I think there might've been like a sideway with maybe one of the California.

[00:36:47] Boxes. Yeah. I just, for some reason thought he, he either mentioned it or we saw it. I cannot remember, but I thought it went out into the alley, but I could be wrong, but I'm just like, dude, just go out the side door. But anyway, anyway, don't want to get caught up in that, but that's kind of what was on my mind when, you know, he's like stuck in, in the basement after, after Maddie shuts the door on him or whatever.

[00:37:14] I love that whole showdown between him and Kate. I, I loved seeing someone really tripping up Joe along the way. We don't get to see it very often, you know, in the, in the series, you know, he's almost always a step ahead, two steps ahead. Oftentimes with, with whomever in the show and Kate just really, it was just funny watching one right after another, his bank accounts gone.

[00:37:42] Like the one, you know, he thought was his, that's gone, you know, bye-bye English castle. You know, that's not going to happen. Then the apartment's locked up. Moonies is locked up. You know, she, and then has this decoy in place. And then that person, bodyguard hit man, whoever the heck it was, you know, that, that injected him, which true Dexter moment there. Yeah. Nice little, nice little thing there.

[00:38:12] But yeah, I was like, damn, Kate covered all her bases and, and did all the things. It was, it was fun to watch someone have one over on Joe. Satisfying. Yeah. She, she did the homework. Is it safe to say, is she his longest relationship since the show started? He was with love for a little while too, but like, cause that spanned two seasons. Mm-hmm.

[00:38:40] But I know, cause there was like, whatever he was with her during last season. And then there's the three year time jump. Like it might be like, she'd be the one that like has done her homework and knows him the best as far as. I think so. I don't know if we had a total number of years that he was with love. They, they were together for a while. Then they, he was what going to leave her, but then she ended up being pregnant. So he stayed with her. Uh, they were together when Henry was born.

[00:39:10] I don't know how old, can't recall offhand how old Henry was when season three ended. But, uh, yeah, I think Kate might have that relationship beat. Yeah. Cause we, cause we know Henry six in this season. So there's the three year time jump between then. So, I mean, he would have had to been three at the end of season four. So there's whatever three years between when he was born, when Joe and love were together between the end of season four. So.

[00:39:40] Don't make me do math. With that math. Yeah. I'm like, yeah. It's, it is too late. It's not that important. I don't want to do math. Yeah. We'll just, we'll, we'll give it to Kate. Yeah. Someone can always prove us wrong there if they want to, uh, do that leg work, but I'm, I'm not going to. They, we, we do know he was with love for a while for sure. And it was definitely probably a record for someone like Joe, uh, with his history.

[00:40:07] But I think Kate, Kate might've edged that out just a little bit. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was great to see her go head to head with him and, and, and have one over on him and just see her really take him down and how she was kind of free of that manipulation, uh, from him and just was like, just not having it. You know, he kept trying to bring her back around in his way that he always does.

[00:40:35] And she was just like, nah, not going to work. I'm so beyond that. It's very satisfying. I was like, finally, someone is just between her and Marianne and Nadia, just really giving it to him. And it was satisfying, which leads me to my next point. The, the title of the episode being trial of the furies. Um, I was like, Hey, we've got a Greek mythology reference. Yeah.

[00:41:04] Um, if you're familiar with Greek mythology, I've loved Greek mythology since I was a kid, been fascinated with it and learning about it. Uh, so when I saw that, I was like, Oh, I wonder what, what this title means. And then as you're watching the episode, it, it kind of reveals itself. Yeah. If you didn't know in Greek mythology, the furies were three goddesses of vengeance, but they did not punish for like petty crimes.

[00:41:29] They, they had kind of more deeper and personal offenses that they would come at you for. They were known for pursuing and punishing mortals, uh, who committed heinous crimes and usually crimes against family, uh, blood guilt, like murder and any kind of like violations of moral order. They weren't just vengeful. They, they were more of like a moral reckoning.

[00:41:56] I think, you know, they, they keep coming at you until they feel that justice has been acknowledged. Um, so that's kind of what we got in this episode. You know, Joe is, is kind of like a trial setting, but we're not in a courtroom. We get them in the, in the murder box, you know? Yeah. Which is fitting. So, you know, kind of. The furies. So it's Kate, Marianne and Nadia, I believe. Like, cause Bronte is still, yeah, kind of in limbo a little bit, maybe to the end.

[00:42:25] So I think, yeah, those three are our, our furies. That's how I took it. That's how I took it because they're all the way that they all, uh, confront him and they're all kind of coming and not always together. They're all in their own ways, you know, coming at him with their questions and, and more importantly, like truths. And Marianne, like I said, kind of being, she's kind of that, uh, holding up that mirror of kind of reminding Joe of what he did.

[00:42:54] Like she's in, she's kind of expressing her truth. Uh, she's proof of how dark he is because she's actually, you know, he can't just rationalize how Marianne has, has suffered. She knows what he did and she survived it. So she's, you know, he can't, he can't play mind games with her.

[00:43:19] Uh, and I, it's interesting cause I, you've almost feel like it's kind of getting to him a little bit. Don't you think he was starting to crack a little? Yeah. Yeah. They didn't, there wasn't ever a focus on this, but just in my own little headcanon, I'm like, yeah, you gotta think like, not only is he hearing all of these things from them, but like he's in that cage.

[00:43:38] So, you know, as they're talking all of this and saying these things, he's also looking at like a reflection of his own face back to him a little bit as he's talking to them to where he's, he's legitimately being faced with the truths and like realities of who he is, where he can't. And he's, he's locked in this cage literally, literally, and even like figuratively, he can't run from that anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:44:04] And that's what I loved about what, what Marianne, you know, in, in her conversations with him, um, and her calling him out, like, you know, you're an abuser and she, she knows him. And that's what also made it so powerful when she did talk to Bronte too. Cause like she has been in that exact position and understands. And it was like, Marianne didn't judge her for it.

[00:44:30] You know, she's like, I've been there and you don't think that can happen to you. And it does. Um, and I think she was able to, to get through to her, but I, I loved all of that. It, so it made sense to me with the title of the, of the episode and how these three women came together to confront him. Um, and he can't, he can't escape it. He's forced to listen to it. You know, he can't, he can't get away. You know, they've thought of everything.

[00:44:56] They cleared out the whole cage and they even got rid of his, uh, extra key. They think anyway, uh, hidden in there, you know, just when I thought you might really see yourself for who you are, Joe, um, that quickly turned there. Yeah. And I'm like, Oh, well, I don't know. He rebounded really quick. Yeah. Yeah. He was so fully ready to accept everything and lay down and die.

[00:45:24] And then he's been rescued. He's back outside and he's like, Oh, thank God. I know. He was like laying there with Kate. Oh, I guess this is what I deserve. Forgot what I deserve. And he, he bounces back real quick. Yeah. He's like, Oh my God, I can't believe that they did all that to me. Um, what a victim I am. Thanks Bronte. Yeah. Immediately. What did I do to deserve this? I tried to help them. I tried to save them. Gosh. Joe.

[00:45:57] Unbelievable. What else you got? Uh, like I said, so I just have my like other notes, extra notes now. So I would say if you have any other main points, I'll, I'll defer them to you to get through those first. I don't think so. Mostly just some, I know we have more to talk about, but they're there. It's kind of fairly small. I don't think as, as, as larger points is what I've covered already. So yeah, go for it. Yeah.

[00:46:23] Like I said, a lot, I have a lot of extra notes that just kind of a smattering on a bunch of different things that happened. Um, this is the first time my other notes, my extra notes has had a subtitle of its own. Um, so I called it AKA bleeding me dry, like a goddamn vampire. Uh, but yeah, so I just kind of go through random notes. Uh, there's some music stuff. Uh, first still no Taylor Swift, but we will open this episode with a chapel Rhone song.

[00:46:51] Um, one more episode, but this episode was giving, uh, you know, with the music you're right, but we got one more episode to hopefully get a Taylor Swift song. So yeah, because you have chapel Rhone at the beginning and then the closing music, which the reference there, the lyrics that I put this little subtitle in vampire by Olivia Rodrigo. It's a great song. Um, they brought out a couple of big ones this episode, still hoping for Taylor to make her finale appearance, but please, please, please.

[00:47:19] They, but chapel Rhone and Olivia Rodrigo don't come cheap either. So the fact that you can use those two in this episode, I think they, I think what I was saying the last episode, uh, was pretty accurate. They've been, some of the music has been kind of quiet the last couple of episodes and now we know why they've been saving up because you had between just in this episode, chapel Rhone and, uh, Olivia Rodrigo. Amazing, amazing choices. They're always so split on. So good.

[00:47:48] Um, let's see. Yeah. The, the Harrison and Maddie stuff, uh, I said, okay, Joe and me are on the same page. And then I immediately stopped and went, Oh, what does that say about me? Um, no, but obviously Harrison wasn't going to stay quiet forever. I mentioned that last week. I was like, do I really buy that? He would just go along with it forever. Cause as James says, like that sanctimonious boy scout, like, of course he's not gonna. Um, so Joe beats him to the punch by just framing him for Reagan's murder, the teeth and all this stuff.

[00:48:17] And then again, so of course he was holding onto those. He probably always does. We haven't like seen it in a while, but yeah, we know he, he did. Um, and then he can put away Maddie as well for conspiracy. Cause she was impersonating her dead sister. Um, again, there's like, I had a few little small gripes with this one. Cause I'm like, wouldn't Harrison and Maddie just immediately spill everything about Joe once that they're in that position? As soon as they get arrested, be like, um, actually here's everything that happened.

[00:48:45] And here's how Joe Goldberg is involved with all of it. At least he would be investigated. And the writers did their best to like thwart that a little bit by like having Maddie and Kate on the phone. Cause Maddie's like saying like, this is all Joe's fault. And Kate being like, don't say another word. We're going to do this. Like, and so that's why, but you'd think Harrison at least would just be like, why did he take the fall for it? And like plead guilty to, they say to, you know, to say, to help Maddie, to get Maddie out.

[00:49:13] Kind of took the fall for her, fell on his sword for her. But it's like, would he do that? Or would Harrison be in there saying everything he can against Joe to like help himself? No kidding. Or at least have your lawyers there to help you navigate that. Like, I loved that Kate was like, would you please be quiet? We're on a recorded line. Yeah. No more. So yeah. So Harrison confesses, quote unquote, to let Maddie go free.

[00:49:41] And then Maddie's on her own war path after that. She's upset. She's going to burn it down. Literally. Literally. Which interesting scene. If I was, you know, Maddie locks him in the basement and she knows not to fall for that. Like, you know, she was like, what happened to your face? What's going on? And she opened the door and let me out. And then I'll tell you. It's like, no, she's smarter than that. Like, if you can't tell me through the door, then you're not going to tell me when I let. No, that's not how this works. I have the leverage here. Yeah.

[00:50:11] She has some common sense. Boo-boo. Yeah. It's like, why did you frame me in Harrison and put us in prison? And it was just like, yeah, I did that. I made a mistake, but I can undo it. I promise. It's like, no, Joe has screwed her over one too many times. She's not buying it anymore. Because you can tell in her head, she's like, sure. I let you out. And then when's the next time that you blackmail me or hold something over my head or frame me for something? Like, nah. Bye-bye, boo-boo. We're done with that.

[00:50:40] I'm glad we had her back. I know we were talking about it. We may not see her again, and we did in this one. So happy to see Maddie again. Yeah. And same with Teddy, because I know we weren't sure we'd see Teddy again. We got like a little bit of him, quick scenes. He's on the phone with Maddie. And then, of course, the bigger one for him is he got the CEO gig. Good for him. Yeah. As Kate is just kind of, she's ready to make those big moves with Joe. So however it ends for her, she's putting things in place that need to be done.

[00:51:11] Including handing everything over to Teddy. Good for him. So you mentioned Nadia had that kind of a little bit of alone time. I just made a note that like, when they had their one-on-one that she was demanding, aside from confessing about everything that Kate wanted him to confess about, that she was also like, also make sure you mention that you killed Reese Montrose, because you need to exonerate me too.

[00:51:40] Like, it's what you did to me is not right. So you're going to do that. You're going to confess to everything. We're going to get everything she can out of it. Uh, let's see. Vampire. Had to do more vampire stuff, because that's why I titled it this way. So freaking... So much vampire imagery and language. In this whole season, you know, Joe's writing the vampire story, and that we've talked about

[00:52:07] like vampire stuff here and there, like the like taser points in his neck. And there's been like little things that we've like pointed out that are like very vampire-like. And then with the song choice, this, uh, the end of this episode, but then also him, you know, biting into his own arm for freedom, which results in having this like blood smeared around his mouth the remainder of the episode where it... And it's like, it's this visual representation of the vampire that he's always been. And then it makes you think back to the whole series.

[00:52:34] It's like, yeah, he's, he's always been a vampire feeding off of pain and suffering and fear of women. And he's just sucking out their souls, their lives, their selves out of them. Uh, I was like, yeah, that's, it's great visual representation of that. The key in the arm. I was like, I don't know if I'm on board with that one. It's another little gripe I have. I was like, it's an insane reveal and it adds this interesting wildness to the episode.

[00:53:00] And hey, I, I love when this show gets ridiculous, but that's a little bit far. Cause I was like, do I buy that he had the foresight to think he'd be wind up locked in the box? Like where did that come from? Well, I, and I'm not saying it was perfectly executed or anything like that, but I thought the same thing.

[00:53:22] And I mean, we talked before about Joe having hidden keys, you know, we knew he's had a hidden key before. Uh, I, I'm not sure why, if he did have one in the cage, why he felt the need to do that by putting one in, in his arm and sewing it up.

[00:53:45] But it had to be, I think anyway, after, uh, his and Bronte's little exchange where they were locking each other in the, in the cage and having their little confession session that he still truly does not trust her fully. I think to have to, to do that, to like go to that length of, of cutting yourself open and hiding a key in your arm and sewing it back up.

[00:54:13] And then just in case you needed to use that to escape again, you know, it, it shows that he just, wherever he's at, he still doesn't quite fully trust Bronte because he, he still thinks that he could end up back in that cage. So just a long term of a plan was that going to be like, he got to break that thing out really quickly. It was, that was like a longterm plan. I was like, was he just going to have a key embedded in his arm for the rest of his life in case. And then it was like, man, just travel like airport metal detectors.

[00:54:43] Sorry. It keeps going off. What, what could you explain that? And especially those, do they still have those, uh, full body scanners? Yeah. You do like the scan and stuff. Skeleton and you see a key. Oh, it could be the key in my arm. I can't, I can't believe we're having this conversation. I'm saying all kinds of words now. So weird. So weird.

[00:55:12] I mean, and I thought, oh, is this what they're doing? But I don't know. Joe cut off a toe, you know, to, to that whole thing with love, you know, to, uh, fake his death and all of that stuff. And I'm like, well, I guess it's not that far fetched, but it definitely gave great visuals of, of him with the blood on his face. Right. So the whole vampire foreshadowing and, and that whole theme, uh, that we've had the season

[00:55:41] for sure. And the series. Cause Joe is very much like this vampire character that Olivia Rodrigo, uh, sings about in the song. Um, so it was wild. I'm like, you know what? For it, we're just frigging. Why not? It's the, it's the end of the series. Let's just throw everything out there. So why not? I just was kind of like, whatever, I'm having fun. Yeah. It was wild though.

[00:56:10] He's a tearing out of stitches and I'm like, are you not worried about an infection? I don't know what happens when you sew a key into your arm. I don't know how we, I hope you disinfected that before you put it in there. Hopefully. Yeah. You soaked that thing. It's some like alcohol or something first, man. I'm kidding. I don't know that. I know it's fiction. It doesn't matter. And I'm going way too deep with it, but those are the thoughts that are running through my head. You know what? I'm just like, wait, what, what is happening here?

[00:56:40] All good things. I I'm trampling over your notes again. Did you have more that you want to? Oh no, I'm, I'm, I'm done. Okay. That was the last of it. I figured I'd, I'd end on that note. Gotta end on the most wild part. Right. I was not expecting that. Not expecting that. Kudos to the writers for giving us something even more wild than what we've seen before. Yeah. I agree. The music was top tier. I agree.

[00:57:09] Hearing Chapel Rowan there at the beginning and then to bookend it with some Olivia Rodrigo, the vampire. I love that. I love that song. Love all the songs. But yeah, that song was when it came on, I was like, well, number one, awesome. Cause love the song. But two, what a perfect song here in this, in this moment. Yeah. Because it very much, like you said, like references someone like Joe, who's charming,

[00:57:38] manipulative, you know, lover drains your energy, makes you doubt your instincts. So I thought it was absolutely perfect. You know, he definitely feeds on others, you know, but not like with their blood. It's more of a hope, trust and sense of self, self. Um, and when you think of how many people he's destroyed, you know, over the, over the series. Yeah. Um, it was perfect.

[00:58:04] I had a, I had a random thought to, yeah, like look up, I mean, I've, I've heard this song a million times, but yeah, actually just look up the lyrics and see like, for those who may not be as familiar with it or whatever that, yeah. I mean, yeah. The song choice is just like, cause it is, it's to a T like, yeah, that joke is like, just, you get my rendition of not singing it, but I'll just read them to you. Um, but, um, but yeah, just the lyrics. Yeah. I hate to give the satisfaction asking how you're doing now.

[00:58:31] How's the castle built of people you pretend to care about just what you wanted. Look at you. Cool guy. You got it. I see the parties and the diamonds. Sometimes when I close my eyes, six months of torture, you sold as some forbidden paradise. I loved you. Truly. You got to laugh at the stupidity cause I've made some real mistakes, but you make the worst one look fine. I should have known it was strange. You only come out at night. I used to think I was smart, but you made me look so naive. The way you sold me for parts and you sunk your teeth into me. Bloodsucker. Fame fucker. Bleed me dry like a goddamn vampire.

[00:59:00] Every girl I ever talked to told me you were bad, bad news. You called them crazy. God, I hate the way I called them crazy too. You're so convincing. How do you lie without flinching? Oh, what a mesmerizing, paralyzing, fucked up little thrill. Can't figure out just how you do it. And God knows I never will. Went for me and not her cause girls your age know better. Yeah. It's like, yeah. Great choice. Fantastic choice.

[00:59:27] And like the lyrics you were reading off there, it's not just about like the heartbreak part of it. It's about, I think, waking up, you know, and that's what this episode was because everybody seemed to be waking up. And I think even Joe, to an extent, if even short-lived for a little bit. And then, of course, the song tying into, you know, Bronte writing this vampire fiction, you know, it's come up a couple of times.

[00:59:53] I thought there was even a mention of a bloody, was there a mention of a bloody kiss or am I making that up in my head? Yeah. Yeah, there was. When she was going through her writing the story or whatever. And then when we see Joe with the blood on his face and then kissing at the end. And I'm like, oh, this was all, you know, this was all said earlier. We just didn't know how. We didn't know how or why or that that was going to mean something else, you know, or

[01:00:21] have this irony attached to it, you know. And here we've got Bronte writing about a fiction of vampires and then somehow becomes a character almost like in a story like that that she's been writing about. It's like, ugh, so many parallels there. Yeah, that was so good. I thought, man, what a perfect song for this moment.

[01:00:47] You talked earlier about the switch there at the end, which really, I remember like really taking a pause and I think like physically my head kind of tilted in this moment when we got Bronte's inner monologue, which never had on this show before. It has always been Joe, right? We've never had any other character have an internal monologue.

[01:01:13] So this was definitely a real shift in the series because Joe's been this like sole ownership of this whole internal monologue throughout the whole series. And now she's given this space. So I feel like it's in some way, and I don't know how yet, but it's shifting the narrative. Like when she's saying you're not the one telling the story anymore.

[01:01:39] And I was like, oh, so does that mean we're shifting away from Joe being the storyteller in his perspective to now we're shifting to Bronte? If we get the entire finale in Bronte's inner monologue, I don't know how I'd feel about that. It would be a really insane tonal shift, but it could be interesting. I don't know if they would do that or not. I don't know if that's what they're going to do, but I just found that interesting when

[01:02:06] she says you're not the one telling the story anymore because that's the way it's been for five seasons or at least up until this episode where he's been, we get Joe. Joe is the one telling the story. Everything's from his perspective. And now we're getting, maybe it'll be a combination. I don't know. It'd be kind of weird if we have Joe doing an internal monologue and then Bronte doing an internal monologue. Or maybe it was just for the sake of this episode only to let us know that, is that a message

[01:02:35] to us that she is in control because, you know, like you said in the beginning, like, oh my gosh, I hope she's done flip-flopping. I hope that she's, that this is it, that she's tricking him one last time and that's it. So I don't know if that's their message to us that she is in control. Like, I see you, Joe, for who you really are.

[01:02:57] Like, she is, she saw in the conversation with Kate, she saw with Marianne and then at the end when she's at the, in the basement and sees Kate, you know, and even though Joe's like, I had to defend myself, she tried to kill me. I think when she looked at him, she's just like, whatever, you know, I'm not buying it. I don't know why she chose to go ahead and save him and, and instead of just like leaving

[01:03:24] him there, but I'm hoping that by them telling us or letting us hear her internal monologue, we can, that's a message us saying Bronte is like, she's Louise again, maybe. And she's in, in control. Never, never had that before. The finale is any inner monologue is all Bronte, but then Joe still has all his inner monologue scenes. We just don't hear it. So we get to see all the awkward standing around quietly.

[01:03:55] His, his little head turns and his little facial expressions and stuff. Like, you know, it never gets me. We're on the outside now. We're like, what is he doing? That is weird. You know, they were right. We talk about it all the time that someone did have a, someone has, I'm sure you could probably Google it and find it, uh, that it's out there somewhere, but it's funny because after we talked about it, uh, I think it was the last episode, uh, during the week

[01:04:20] in between then and now I saw a video someone, and I think I've seen it before, so it wasn't new, but I saw it again. And, uh, someone had compiled, uh, Dexter's, uh, Dexter clips of, uh, Dexter missing his monologue. So it's all that weird awkwardness, like quiet moments. And you're just like, everybody staring at him like, why are you so weird? Because he's quiet. But, uh, anyway, totally different show. Go watch that one y'all.

[01:04:49] If you haven't, we've talked about, uh, Dexter many, many times. Uh, so I don't know. That was an interesting way to, to end it. I like you am of the hope that, uh, fitting kind of with the theme of, of this episode of the waking up. I hope that Bronte has woken up and I hope that she's in full control of herself and can't be manipulated by Joe anymore. Um, so I guess we'll see.

[01:05:15] I feel like we're in for a crazy finale. You know, I feel like Joe is either finally going to go off the deep end or he's going to completely double down, uh, on, on everything. So I don't know. Um, and I was looking at my notes, we covered those. We talked about, um, the recording from jail when Kate's like, please be quiet. Stop talking. And the teeth. I'm glad we at least didn't have to see him taking the teeth. Yeah. Reagan.

[01:05:45] So I'm glad we were spared, uh, that, but, um, it is a call back to, I think season one. Yeah. Joe did something like that before. Woo wee. What a crazy episode. Um, anything else that you want to say or comment? Uh, not on, not on this episode on the show, but I was going to say in lieu of a news section, I was going to say, cause I teased something to you before we even started recording and about something.

[01:06:14] And now I know what it is. Yes. Yeah. Um, and, and so I was going to, yeah, bring up, cause it is strange indeed related to a degree. It's not really news, but I'm just going to like talk about it and give like a, a recommendation. Uh, cause I went to the movies over this weekend and you know, here at strange indeed, we are big lovers and fans of Mike Flanagan and anything he does. So, uh, of course I went to the movie theater over the weekend and went and saw the life of

[01:06:41] Chuck and of course it was written and directed by Mike Flanagan. It is a Stephen King short story adaptation. It's Flanagan's first non horror film. And it was so good. It was just like, honestly, I'm like, I don't know if I could say it more poetic. It was so good. It was so freaking good.

[01:07:03] Um, just, it's not a horror, but it still has Flanagan, what he's so good with the, am I going to, the monologues, the dialogue, the, the character where you just immediately fall in love with characters after seeing them for 10 seconds on screen. And you get, you just know who they are by their, the way they talk and the way they behave. So it's that Flanagan writing. That's just perfection. Um, and then yeah, the feels are all that.

[01:07:30] It's just like a very heartwarming, heartfelt, but also very sad in a lot of places. It's, it's Flanagan. Like I said, it's, it's one of his projects without the horror, but like everything else, the heart, the emotions, the characters, the dialogue, it's all there. Also just a big, you know, the flamily. Um, he made sure to cast everyone he could that's in all his stuff, even in like very small bit roles where they pop up one time. Like, well, there's that person. There's that person. There's that. Know who that is. There they go. Yay. They're here.

[01:07:58] Um, so it was, it was very fun. I really, really enjoyed it. I don't want to give too much away. It is one of those movies where I'm like, I don't want to, the best way to watch it is to go in blind and not know what you're getting into. Just know that pay a lot of attention because it's a bit of a mind fuck, but, uh, but so pay a lot of attention because you'll be very confused and that's okay. Cause you're supposed to. And then the pieces are supposed to fit the longer you guys, you go, as you watch it, things fit together and make sense.

[01:08:26] Um, to where you get to the end and you just go, holy shit, that's incredible. Uh, so yeah, highly recommend checking out life of Chuck when people get a chance to, cause I loved it and got to give Flanagan love when I get a chance to on this podcast, you know, I'm going to. It's, it's a must. Yeah. I saw that it was out. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. Uh, but I hope to really, really soon. Cause obviously, you know, we are huge Mike Flanagan fans here.

[01:08:55] Um, no secret and I fully expected it to be awesome. And I fully expect regardless if it's horror, because even his, his, his horror shows, you know, haunting of Hill house, um, midnight mass. It's scared the crap out of me in so many moments, but also could just make me ball like a baby. So he's just got that way about him.

[01:09:22] And that's one reason why I love him so much. Uh, well, I'm happy to hear it was good. I'm happy. Yeah. I just loved it. I thought it was fantastic. So I can't wait to watch it again. Well, and I'm glad, I'm glad that there were, uh, you know, some of the known, uh, actors and actresses that we see often in his, his movies and in his shows.

[01:09:50] Uh, always good to see some of those same folks. Um, and speaking of now, I didn't, this is not related to the life of Chuck. However, when you were talking about, you know, so much of the cast, um, in the, in that show that we've seen over the years and his other shows and movies, uh, I was talking to you before we started recording. I went and saw how to the live action, how to train your dragon. Um, Ruth Codd, uh, had a small, small role in the live action.

[01:10:17] Uh, and we know her from the midnight club that will how I know her midnight club and house of usher. Yes. House of usher. Thank you. Um, so yeah, I got to see her and I was like, Oh my gosh, I was like, that's, that's a joy. Like I know that face because we're huge fans. Well, that's awesome. I'm glad to hear, uh, hear that it's good. I didn't doubt that it would be, but it's always good to kind of get that affirmation.

[01:10:44] Uh, and I don't really have like news yet either, uh, at least as far as you, uh, hopefully maybe next week when we cover the finale and I can finally open that door to, uh, you know, some interviews and some news, but you know, we've talked so much this season about Anna Camp and how amazing she has been in her dual role playing Maddie and Reagan in this series. I mean, just absolute perfection.

[01:11:10] Um, you know, if you, if you didn't know her from anything else, then, uh, go watch her and other things. And we talked about how we would love to see more of her. Um, she has a movie coming out in a couple of days. Oh, I think it's this week, this week. I'm looking at the dates now. I don't even know fricking what day it is. Um, but it comes out this week, um, called bride hard and she reunites with rebel Wilson. Um, you know, they were in pitch together, so they're in a movie together. I saw a trailer for it. It looks fun.

[01:11:40] Um, and I'm in, uh, if, if Anna camp is in it. So if anyone is interested in that, I haven't seen it yet, so I can't, I can't talk about it, but again, I know I'm, I'm sure it's entertaining. So if you want to see more of Anna camp, there you go. So I'll, I'll stop rambling. Let's, uh, let's hear what our listeners had to say about this episode. Do you want to take our first one? Yeah.

[01:12:06] Uh, we've got, uh, some feedback writing in from Catherine who says getting both Harrison and Maddie arrested was not on my radar, but neither was the location of Joe's hidden key. That seems straight out of a saw movie. Good reference. Cause yeah, that's what it felt like. Yeah. Yeah. That was crazy. I just, how do you even have a pain tolerance for that? I mean, I guess if you're that desperate, right. I mean, whatever, but wild. Thank you, Catherine. Appreciate your writing in.

[01:12:36] Uh, we got a voice message this week from our friend, Steve. Let's see what, what he thought. Hello, Paken Rima. This is Steve. And here we go. It's the, the pen penultimate, uh, episode of the series. You, uh, season five, episode nine. And it's called the trial of the future. Bronte could will prevail. Yeah. Okay. Um, I don't know. Joe should have nothing to do with this kid. Sorry. I hate to say it like that, but man, come on. Ooh.

[01:13:06] So we do have Harrison is back and is Joe going to kill him? Oh, oh no. He's what? Okay. What did he do that was able to frame these two for Reagan's murder? Oh, okay. I had to back it up. So he put Reagan's teeth in his back. How did he know his, did he was able to see the, this is so, how did he, uh, wow. All that. So we are getting more Anna camp at least. Okay. So, uh, Joe has not told Bronte the truth about, uh, Reagan's murder.

[01:13:33] Uh oh, Joe, you don't have access to as much money as you thought you did. You're not going to be able to buy that castle. Ha ha. And you're unhoused as well. Wow. And Teddy becomes the new CEO of Lockwood Incorporated. What? He's incorporated. And you, Joe's going to do, Joe's going to try to kill Kate, but he's wearing the ball cap of invisibility. So we'll see if it works this time. Oh, a decoy. Ha ha. Now Joe locked in his own box. Ooh. And they found a hidden key. Okay.

[01:14:01] So now Kate is confronting Bronte and Nadia is in the, uh, with Joe. Oh, she just brought up Marianne because he doesn't know that Marianne's still alive, right? He thinks Marianne died and there she is. And Marianne getting real with Joe. You are an abuser. And, and Joe is just so delusional. Oh, Bronte knows who Marianne is. Oh, she looked for her because, yeah, because she knew that she was one of Joe's victims. Oh, Bronte, you should be listening to Marianne.

[01:14:30] She's telling you the truth. Um, his worm can get in deep. Whoa. I was just thinking to myself, if one of them has a gun, they could just shoot Joe in the face. And Nadia has a gun. Seriously. He put a key in his freaking arm. No. He gets out. Is he going to kill all three of them at once? Wow. Nadia gave Kate the gun, but now what's going to happen? Oh, Maddie's outside Mooney's. And now everybody's going to confront at Mooney's.

[01:14:59] And now Joe has the gun. Oh, so Maddie's got some sort of bottle of liquor and she's going to burn Moody's. What happened to Marianne and Bronte, though? Uh. Oh, so this is setting up for quite the final episode. Um, I hope I get this in time for you guys to record. And then episode 10 is coming up. And of course, Kate is moving somewhere. Oh, she bonked him. Um, it's like, I think I said that before.

[01:15:28] Oh, the final scene with Bronte here on the phone to Dominique. What's going to happen in the final episode? Oh, and Bronte coming at the last minute to save Joe. Well, I mean, Joe had to make it to the last episode, right? So, uh, here we go. Episode 10 coming up. Oh, and we get a voiceover from Bronte here at the end when, uh, Joe is proposing. I think that's a first for the series, right? Oh, wow. Episode 10 is going to be something.

[01:16:00] As always, a journey. Yes. I was noticing what happened because at first I was scared. I was like, oh, are we moving on? But then I was like, oh, no. Because it did the same thing on my first watch where I thought the episode was over and then something else would happen. And then I was like, yeah. And he was like, episode 10 coming up. And he's like, oh, wait, there's more. And he was like, okay, now it's over. Oh, nope, still another scene. We're still going. One more twist. Yeah. I feel that.

[01:16:30] You just, you just got to stay with it. You don't know what else they're going to stick us with. I cannot wait to go watch the finale to see what the heck happens. So, yeah, that's going to be what we're going to do next week is covering episode 10 of you. Simply titled finale. They're keeping it simple. Yeah. So, yeah.

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[01:17:30] What are you and Daphne cooking up? This week, so on Friday, the episode will be out. We are covering another newer movie. We've been doing a lot of newer movies recently. But it's based off of a video game that I played a lot and really enjoyed. So they made a movie adaptation, which is decent. It's pretty good. It's called Until Dawn. I wasn't sure, but I wanted to hear what you thought about it and see if it was worth it.

[01:17:59] Yeah, it's fun. As a fan of the game and a player of the game, it's definitely a different story, which I think is actually a good thing. You can't tell the exact same story in the exact same way. It doesn't quite one-for-one copy over. But I think they paid a lot of homage to the game and there's a lot of nods to it. And I don't want to give too much away, so definitely go check out our episode on Friday for all of our thoughts and everything on it.

[01:18:26] But I will say, just on a base recommendation, I think it's worth giving a shot if you can watch it, if you want to take the time to watch it. It's worth it. It's a fun watch. Excellent. Well, in addition to Paik and Daphne on Run for Your Lives, there's a lot of great content going on at podcastica.com. I know still slaying is still going with their rewatch of Buffy.

[01:18:55] That's awesome. Should definitely check them out. Yeah. Over on the Cast of Us feed, Ben and Alex have been covering Walking Dead, Dead City. So you can get that season two coverage there. Yes. That is still on. I wasn't sure. I was trying to keep up and I didn't know if that had wrapped yet. But yeah, you're right. It's still out. Poker Face going as well. Murder Magnets podcast. Go check that out. Yeah. Always some good fun stuff going on in podcastica.

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[01:19:56] All right. That is our show. Thanks for listening. Until next time. I'm Rima. And I'm Peek. And Lisa Edmondson Walker is strange indeed.