536: "L'ame Perdue" (TWD: Daryl Dixon S1E1)

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[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Hello Z-Heads, welcome to our podcast, my name is Jason.

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm Lucy.

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is The Cast of Us, episode 536.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And in this episode we're going to talk about Walking Dead,

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Daryl Dixon S1E1, episode 1, The Lame Perdue.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Will we be attempting the whole podcast in French?

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Not different.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I can ask how to go to the bathroom, and then to about it.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the essentials.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I always learn, I mean probably everyone does this, but I found myself saying thank you so much when I go to foreign countries.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So I learned how to say thank you in that language.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so here we are.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It's Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon, season 1, episode 1, Lame Perdue.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Which means Lost Soul.

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think? Is it a good show or not?

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm digging it more than Dead City so far.

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_03]: There's bits that bugged me, bits that I liked.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Didn't hate it.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I'm coming in with a lot of good will for this for some reason.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, same. I don't know why.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm kind of digging it.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean to me, I wanted it to be fresh and it does feel fresh, but there's some things about it that don't.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: That feel pretty standard.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But what are you going to do?

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean you have zombies as threats and you have bad people.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's like, I don't know how they can really do something different than that.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I thought it was gorgeous to look at.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was fun.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It was filmed well with tense moments which is pretty impressive this far into it.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It had a little bit of the same feel as the very first episode of The Walking Dead.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: One person wakes up in a different world and explores which I think is kind of cool actually.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_01]: People say this episode was slow, I've noticed, but I didn't.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I was really digging the whole thing even when it had its quieter moments.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Then again, you and I liked when Carol spent the whole time looking for a rat.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Making soup.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And one more thing I wanted just to say overall is it's weird to have these spinoffs.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_01]: We want a happy ending for everybody where they're all together.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But this fracturing where Rick's off lost and Maggie's with Neen in New York

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and here's Daryl in France, it feels a bit more like real life

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_01]: where you're with this tight group of friends for a while and then you drift apart

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_01]: or you're in a family and you go off on your own.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It kind of gives me that vibe to it.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember when Daryl used to hang out with all those guys

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_01]: but now he's doing his year abroad.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's hard as well because every time they announce like,

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_03]: oh, something's been renewed.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel a bit sadder because then I'm like,

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_03]: oh, then we're not moving towards everyone being in the one place again.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: They're just going to keep it going as long as they possibly can

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: until no one's watching and they have no choice but to just say,

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: okay, it's over.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_03]: It's done now.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Rick came home the end.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the one bad thing is they couldn't...

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Ending on when it was really popular would have been so satisfying

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: but then we wouldn't get more walking dead.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: The other side of the coin.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, what's your first point?

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Amazing.

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[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I have seven but yeah.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_03]: You have seven.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, yeah, I have a few too many too.

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm hoping that we overlap.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we will.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean one of mine is stuff I liked and another one is stuff that bugged me.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's two of my points were like...

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Always good.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But I'd like to start with the feel of it slash the cold open.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Now, I think the cold open was actually released early but I didn't watch it.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Me neither.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the first 10 minutes were released.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I really liked it.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_03]: The visuals were cool.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I liked the opening on the ocean.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a very instinctive.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_03]: This is different from the walking dead move I think to have it very much focused on

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of being out in the ocean and then washing shore on like a beach

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and immediately being in really kind of old ancient buildings.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought did Daryl float across the Atlantic on that thing?

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_03]: It did cross my mind.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_01]: He's really thirsty so it seems like they're trying to say he's been there for a while.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I was a bit like would he not have fallen off before?

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, it's fine.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Was he tied to it?

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Because it was upside down.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he was tied to it.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: He tied himself to it from falling off.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm very confused about this.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I think he escaped.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about that but anyway.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I will be surprised if we don't get a flashback that addresses that.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I think we will.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But I dug the opening too except he drinks the water from the child's

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's like that's salt water right?

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I like the fresh water and it's all sandy too.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I literally just wrote shit city.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like you're gonna have such bad shit smell and you're gonna barf.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, at least take a little sip first to see how it's in there.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And then Peter's like well it was probably rainwater and I'm like I don't think it was anyway.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Apologies to any rainwater truthers out there.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It must have, I couldn't have been salt water right?

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_01]: You'd think because you can't drink that.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Awful, awful.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_03]: So Daryl's gonna dive dysentery this season is what we've learned from this.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was cool when he comes upon the French road signs

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_03]: and then I was like I wonder if your first thought would be like am I in Canada?

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_03]: But then immediately we're in very old European looking buildings

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_03]: which I thought was really cool the kind of port of Marseille.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: He's hiking over this over ruins atop these like high places you know that's gorgeous.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Like oh look everybody we're in gorgeous Europe and it was gorgeous

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and I loved it but also I'm like shouldn't you be like just going along the coast

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_01]: just looking for a boat.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Boats are by the water.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Then again I imagine like Daryl hasn't had a vacation ever so maybe he's like oh you know

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I never did do my year abroad so maybe I'm just gonna enjoy being friends for a bit.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I liked when he got on the boat and there was a little bit,

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I always like sometimes when you drop into people's lives

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_03]: and figure out a little about them.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It really made us laugh when the guy was Irish

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_03]: because my friend Jenny who listens to the podcast sometimes her dad actually

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_03]: is an Irish fisherman who does this so he will literally get in his boat

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_03]: and just like sail to Spain one day from Ireland.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_03]: So we did laugh and wonder if this was like the alternative apocalypse for our friends

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_03]: and I thought it was a cool way of locating it all

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_03]: because you saw on his map that he started in Cork up in Ireland

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_03]: then he moved down the coast through Britain

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_03]: then down the west coast of like Spain and Portugal and then up.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I would really like a minisode with that dude.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I would just like to see that.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_03]: It sounded like a cool setup for a little kind of spin-off.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_01]: That journal he listens to the audio tape

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and he hears yeah it's this family

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and they've been going around on their boat

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: trying to get ahead of this thing

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and you see a picture of them and then they had to kill the mother,

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: she had a heart attack and then he says he had to put her down

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and then the daughter's sad and it's just another sad family

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: in the walking dead you won't come upon situations like this.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Usually you see like a child's bedroom with blood on the wall or something

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: but anyway it's similar but it very much is also in the game

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: The Last of Us you find these tapes or journals all over

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and you get people's stories and it really felt like that

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and then when Darryl picked up the recorder

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and starts giving his own story

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I guess he just decided to record over it because they're gone.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Those tapes are about five minutes long.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And I also thought would he really listen to that whole thing

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_01]: because you think at this point you'd just be like

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to hear another story like this but whatever.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I was more confused slash resistant to him recording his own voice

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I found that I've written in my notes

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I like this or not him telling his own story

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_03]: It's for the sake of the writing it's a cute hook I guess.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was the whole point of the whole thing.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: They wanted to find a way to have Darryl just check in with the audience a little bit

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_01]: and there's no one else to talk to so they're like

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_01]: well let's have him find this tape recorder

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and then he'll be prompted to leave a journal

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_01]: because he'll hear someone else's journal or something

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_01]: but yeah it's like would Darryl do your diary?

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_03]: It's me, Darryl Dixon.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean he could have spoken to that penguin.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't talked to you since I was 12.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Merle was beating me up every day.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: My life is super fucking depressing right now.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: You won't believe what happened.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_01]: The zombies came.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah man.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I did think the penguin was a very wooden scene partner I felt

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like you know he didn't really give him much so yeah it was logical

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_03]: that he would have talked to the digivone I think.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It was...

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I love the music in all of this as well.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought the background music felt really different.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I loved it.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of piano and strings and it's very European

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's restrained and beautiful.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It really like even when there's really tense music

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_01]: it's kind of like ding ding like just a little restrained

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and it pairs perfectly in my opinion.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Because Bear McRaeby's original sort of The Walking Dead was quite

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_03]: almost country influenced I think there was a lot of kind of guitar

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_03]: and he used strings for the main theme

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_03]: but there were other bits that were more

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know kind of classic American sounding

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_03]: which was great and it really worked

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_03]: because I thought Bear McRaeby's score was like a real high point

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_03]: but I enjoyed this a lot the way that it was different.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_03]: You didn't like Bear McRaeby's music.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I loved Bear McRaeby when he did Battlestar Galactica

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_01]: so when I found out he was going to be doing The Walking Dead

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like yes and then I thought the score was okay

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_01]: but it was very restrained

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and they didn't lean into the horrificness of it

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_01]: so it made it feel less scary

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and over time the score really improved

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think even Bear McRaeby had less to do with it

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_03]: He moved away didn't he?

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah but in this episode it was beautiful

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and like in the creepy moment in the like organic food market

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: that we'll talk about

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_01]: the music really added to the tense feel of it I thought

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: so because music is really about emotion

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's where I think in the early years of The Walking Dead

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they were trying to maybe steer away from horror tropes

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_01]: so it was less intrusive or whatever

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Well I've just googled who the composer was

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's a person called David Stewart Sardy

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_03]: and he also scored Zombieland

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh nice

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_03]: and Zombieland Double Tap

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_03]: which is cool

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Bravo

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and he's done a lot of music production as well

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_03]: so I like that

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it worked really well in those scenes

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It looked like Daryl decided that he was going to walk to Byrots

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_03]: which is like on the west coast of France

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_03]: which made sense I suppose to cross the country

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and get to the coast that's nearer to America

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_03]: so we got the cool shot of the train tracks into Marseille

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_03]: which kind of mirrors Rick going into Atlanta

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_03]: but also emphasises the difference of like

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_03]: well this is a highly built up European city

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_03]: and I appreciate I think that the visuals

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah because they have more public trains

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_01]: more train travel

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Especially on mainland Europe

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I like that

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd forgotten as well I think there was a bit in the Zed head chat about this

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_03]: which was

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_03]: it's actually kind of laughable how easy France would be to walk

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_03]: in comparison to the states when you look at the size of

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Europe compared to the size of America

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_03]: and you're like oh it actually isn't that far fetched

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_03]: that you could actually walk from one side of France to the other

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and not that big an amount of time

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_03]: compared to walking from state to state

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and then we arrive

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't let super Marseille

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_03]: or not the super Marseille they're like Marseille

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_03]: We see creepy walkers

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm still sad that they've held out a bit on the fast zombies

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm hoping that they turn up

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_03]: but I thought the boiling blood was an interesting twist

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_03]: and then we went into the credits

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_03]: which I thought were very classical and quite cool

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_03]: If each image shows us somewhere that Darrell might be going

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm quite excited for Mont Saint-Michel

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_03]: which is the island that you see at the end

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_03]: like off the coast I think it's the north of France

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I've always wanted to go when I've never been

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_03]: and it looks really awesome

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's only accessible by this little causeway road

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah doesn't it get covered over with water at certain times or something?

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I think so, it's a causeway isn't it

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's an important religious

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_03]: which gets a tidal island in Normandy

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's a very important religious site

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I bet it'll be there then

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_03]: That would be an amazing place to hide out from zombies

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_03]: a tidal colony

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_03]: because you would have protection from people coming in

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_03]: for large amounts of time

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So that was me on the opening

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought the opening was strong

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I was into it

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It did make sense to me that Darrell

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Peter asked me this morning if my problem with the show was

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_03]: is it that of all the people you would expect

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_03]: in the kind of fish out of water thing

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Darrell would be the last person

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and I was like well kind of

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_03]: but actually looking at him with his fish and stuff

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_03]: he's the best survivalist of the group

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_03]: so maybe it's not so far fetched that he would land on his feet

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_03]: somewhere much further away

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_03]: and be able to survive that long

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_03]: and just cook fish

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get it

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_01]: What was Peter asking you if

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_01]: if a fish out of water is exactly what that means

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_01]: someone would be like what are you doing there

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I think he was like

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_03]: is it that you would have preferred to see another character do that

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_03]: is it that you're not that jazzed about it being Darrell

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_03]: and you feel it's kind of wasted

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm like

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I did but my opinions kind of changing a little bit now

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_03]: seeing him cook that fish reminded me that he's actually

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_03]: pretty adept so it kind of makes sense

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_03]: that he would be the one to do a kind of heroes journey narrative

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But I have mixed feelings about that narrative

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_03]: that I'm sure we'll get on to

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_03]: but yeah for the opening I'm in

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I like it

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_03]: strong start

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Well that sort of pairs with what I had just about general aesthetics

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_01]: the music I loved all the way through

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was nice

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_01]: it wasn't too intrusive

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_01]: but it really helped shape

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: the feel of it

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: it was different

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: something new

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I like the piano and the strings

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and it was creepy at times

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: which I really liked when it needed to be

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_03]: The creepy nun singing? That was creepy

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah that was amazing

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I love that because it's

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: he

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: let's see it's right after he gets knocked out

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_01]: by

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Maribel

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and what's the guy's name

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_01]: her grandpa

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I just called him grandfather

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and he wakes up

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_01]: or no he gets shot actually he gets shot

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah it graces him right?

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah it graces him and he wakes up in the abbey

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're cauterizing his wound

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's screaming

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and you hear nuns chanting and singing

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: somewhere nearby

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and then they start to like

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: get distracted by him and look

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and the head nun just

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_01]: claps her hands three times like

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_01]: nope just keep on singing

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Nothing will interrupt choir practice today ladies

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_03]: and you're like okay

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah very strict

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_01]: So and they have stuff like that happen all the time

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_01]: because it's zombie apocalypse

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I just thought the whole thing had a gorgeous look to it

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: not just the scenery and the ruins

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and the beautiful geography

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: but also the color

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and contrast of the filming style

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: it feels a little deeper the blacks

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe to me or more contrast

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_01]: and but the mute it's muted colors

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's like got these deep blacks

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: the intro there's

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_01]: a take on Michelangelo's

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Sistine Chapel painting

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_01]: the creation of Adam that shows God reaching out

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_01]: with his finger to Adam

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: but now it's a Zed hand touching

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: a hand on a painting

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think like acid is dripping off

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and eating through the painting

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's very creative

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Then there's a painting of a woman

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_01]: which is probably a famous painting

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_01]: but I don't know what it is

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: being burnt away and then you see her mouth

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_01]: being burnt away and then there's a skull

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: that was really cool

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_01]: There's some Da Vinci

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_01]: drawings maybe they are Da Vinci

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know with showing like

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_01]: the body you know without the skin

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_01]: so you can see the musculature

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and then on the other side there's intestines

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and a spinal cord with like

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_01]: nerves or veins or something stretching out

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Then they did all this stuff with red

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: billowing smoke

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_01]: rising around Daryl

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: that looks so cool and then we see I think

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: it's L'Arc de Triomphe

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_01]: in Paris that arch

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and smoke coming up underneath it

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sure he's going to Paris

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got to go to Paris come on

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: If he goes all the way to France

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and goes to Paris I'd be like get back on the boat

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_03]: You've got to see Paris man

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Carol's like it's lovely that you're back

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_03]: but can you go back I want a souvenir

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Then there's an apocalyptic landscape

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: with just burning

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and smoke in the Eiffel Tower

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: in the distance all dilapidated

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and like it's barely standing

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_01]: with a car burning right here in Zed's

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_01]: ambling all around

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Then there's Daryl up high somewhere

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe at the what is that

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Sacre-Courre looking over Paris

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and that red smoke

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_01]: filling up the spaces between the buildings

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_01]: it looks like veins or blood

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_01]: you know like a blood river or something

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Then you see the Parisian catacombs

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_01]: underneath lined with skulls

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and some shadowy Zed's down the way

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's this European

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess a violin flourish

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_01]: at the end of the music that I really

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: like

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't look it up

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_01]: but I felt like the intros

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_01]: have been really good

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_01]: the intro of The Walking Dead

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_01]: when Angela Kang came on board

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and how it changed

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and the one for

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Tales of The Walking Dead was excellent

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It was cool

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I bet you they're all

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_01]: by the same company

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know they feel kind of similar

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It's nice that they have a kind of identity

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_03]: as being part of the whole

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_03]: franchise as well

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that they're similar but not

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_03]: identical which I think gives a nice unity

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_03]: to it

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Me too and that's one thing too that

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Early Walking Dead the opening was kind of boring

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I always thought it was kind of boring

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_03]: It was quite standard

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was great

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like images of Rick and stuff

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_03]: and then it changed a little bit

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I liked it when it became a bit more patchwork

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_03]: in seasons 9 and 10

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was cool

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Before that

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_01]: it started to improve a little bit

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: but then it really kicked in there

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_01]: The Abbey I thought was beautiful

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and peaceful and calm and restorative

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm like of course that's all

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_01]: going to go to hell and it did

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's still standing

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_01]: They should count themselves lucky actually

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Imagine if Rick had turned up

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_03]: What?

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_01]: He'd be in charge

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_01]: He'd pay Rick

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Father Rick

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And then

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_01]: the beauty and coolness of the medieval weapons

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_01]: He takes that

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think this is a medieval weapon

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_01]: The fishing spear that he takes from the boat

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was really cool

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_01]: This thing that people mostly always call

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: a morning star but isn't

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: A morning star is a spike ball

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_01]: that's connected directly to a pole

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But this is a flail which means

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_01]: it has a chain connected to the spike ball

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_01]: or it can be connected to other things

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I was so glad when he picked that

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like yeah, we didn't get to see him use it yet though

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_01]: right? I don't think

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_01]: No, we haven't seen

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_03]: all we've seen is him use a kind of pointed stick

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and then a various melee

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_03]: weapons in the nunnery

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_03]: but aside from that

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, the Abbey not the nunnery

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I was looking it up because I didn't know

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm like is this a convent

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and she referred to it as an Abbey

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and from what I saw

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_01]: mostly the difference between that

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_01]: is an Abbey has monks and nuns

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: but a convent just has nuns

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_03]: A convent

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the way that Daryl says

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_03]: a convent, I'm like a convent

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, an Abbey

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_03]: houses monasteries or convents

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_03]: centered on Abbey church or cathedral

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_03]: which is cool

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed that

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_03]: it was a good setting

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm interested to know which Abbey they actually filmed in

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember thinking when they said they were going to be filming in France

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like that's a bit OTT

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm so glad they did

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_03]: because it looks amazing

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It just looks so rich for not being sent

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_01]: They're doing it right too

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there's no way to do it wrong

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_01]: but they're really taking advantage

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to think what would have happened if Carol had been with him

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and she'd been at the Abbey

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_03]: She would end up being a killer nun I think

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know for sure

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_01]: but in The Walking Dead

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_01]: when we knew there was going to be a Daryl and Carol spin-off

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_01]: they started talking about

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_01]: we should run away to New Mexico

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and I wondered if that was the idea

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_01]: of their show

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and then it moved to Europe at some point

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_01]: because Norman Rees

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_01]: wanted a vacation or something I don't know

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean he's picked a beautiful part of the world for it

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_03]: so count for it

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_01]: If they had gone that way

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_01]: if Carol had been in Europe with him

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_01]: it would have just been much different anyway

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: because it really

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_01]: he's so quiet that

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_01]: it would have been them talking back and forth

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_01]: not just him going around exploring

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_01]: but then if it would have been in the States

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and it would have been this same storyline

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_01]: this type of story

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_01]: for me it wouldn't have been nearly as good

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: The setting has a lot to do with what I like

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_01]: as much as I do

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's fresh isn't it? It's just in a different situation

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_03]: and

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_03]: visually very different and they did a lot to kind of

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_03]: situate

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_03]: they mentioned that it's been 12 years

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: so we're coming in not long

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_03]: after the finale of The Walking Dead

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_03]: so it's nice to have that

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_03]: because I believe that puts it behind Dead City

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_03]: because Dead City set a couple of years further on

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_03]: than that so it's quite interesting

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_03]: to think about them all

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_03]: in a timeline now in that way

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_03]: because one of the discussions

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_03]: we had in the car today was

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_03]: yes

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_03]: in Europe people are pretty good at talking

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_03]: English it's a strength of Europe

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_03]: as a nation is that there's such diverse languages

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_03]: but people do make an effort to speak

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_03]: English I mean maybe I don't know if it's a strength

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I think English speaking people could make more of an effort

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_03]: to speak other languages but

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I did wonder it say you were Judith

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and you were born

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_03]: in France

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_03]: you wouldn't really know what an American accent was

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_03]: or how to speak English I wouldn't bet

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_03]: so with Maribel I was like you look quite young

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_03]: why would you know how to speak English

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_03]: and what an American accent is but then when I re-watched

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_03]: it was like 12 years

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_03]: say she's like 24 she probably did English

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_03]: at high school and

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_01]: well she mentioned something about that

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_01]: her and her father went around to different places

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_01]: or something I forgot exactly

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Isabelle said her parents were in medicine

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: son frontier oh you're talking about Maribel

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah Maribel Lutjonga

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Isabelle I think is

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_03]: well Blumen Clements posie is

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_03]: in her 40s she looks amazing

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_03]: like

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just like uh I'm gonna go be a nun

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_01]: but yeah for people who

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: if you haven't traveled overseas

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: you might think oh it's not realistic

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_01]: that people would know English

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and yeah maybe if they're younger you're right

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_01]: it wouldn't be but now it is

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_01]: as Lucy just said people are all around the world

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of people

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_01]: speak English I've noticed

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think because here we mostly

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_01]: only speak English and we don't make the effort

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_01]: to speak other languages that we don't expect

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_01]: that they would elsewhere but they do

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's I think a lot of it is as well

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_03]: um cultural

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_03]: saturation so often like when I lived

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_03]: overseas you would go and see films

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and they would be in English but they'd have subtitles

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_03]: or you could pick between subtitles

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_03]: or dubbed so and things like

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_03]: bands that are popular often English speaking

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_03]: so I wondered like in a world where

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_03]: you don't have cultural

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_03]: domination how likely is it

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_03]: that you would speak different languages

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_03]: but I think they're playing it right for this

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't find it too far fetched to be honest

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah and I like that they justified

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_03]: it for Isabelle with her

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_03]: having grown up internationally I thought that made sense

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_03]: so yeah

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and this kid LaRond is just a sabant

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_03]: oh my god that kid

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I knew you'd hate this kid

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I know

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like I bet he's like

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I literally wrote who's this prick

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: uh

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah he's a teenage boy I don't know

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_01]: wait is he a tween age probably

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I'd prefer him if he was a teenage boy

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_03]: he just seems to be a little bit of like

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know once you're there

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_03]: you cannot fix the Rubik's Cube

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_03]: like alright calm down

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I did like it when he corrected Darryl's English though

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_01]: that was pretty funny

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd yeah that was

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean he's a little shithead

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I did write he's like a little shit to

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Mithy Shadamé which I quite liked

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_01]: alright what's your next point

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_03]: well let's we've gone there so let's go for stuff

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_03]: that bugs me um none of this

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_03]: is a deal breaker I will say I didn't watch

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_03]: any of this and feel like there were points in Dead City

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_03]: where I felt like viscerally

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_03]: angry about it I was like that's just not right

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_03]: all of this is just me kind of

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_01]: if Negan shows up that would be

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_01]: what they might turn me

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_03]: can you imagine

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a confident

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_02]: bonjour ladies I'd be like

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_02]: uh

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_02]: fuck off

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_03]: uh hot diggity dog

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_03]: like no go away

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_03]: uh awful

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_03]: um okay so stuff that bugs me

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_03]: um right

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_03]: the the La Ron

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_03]: has in this episode I found

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_03]: la Ron annoying I'm willing to put that

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_03]: on ice and see how it goes

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_03]: um I think

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I put him a wrote down genius

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_03]: kid with amazing hair

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_03]: um it

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_01]: you know what I like about him is

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_01]: um he wasn't

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_01]: too annoying but he was a bit annoying but

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_01]: um so I don't have that visceral like

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like oh well let's see

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_01]: but I like that he's so different from Darrell

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and that he's curious about Darrell

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_01]: so it may hopefully

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_01]: it'll be fun to see them interact

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_01]: because that's what we're in store for

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_01]: yes I think that's it if it was just smart

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and and you know

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Darrell's like I don't give a shit about that stuff or whatever

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_01]: that's pretty funny yeah he's obviously

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_03]: gonna learn stuff from Darrell

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_03]: that is going to be things that he's not

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_03]: learned in the sheltered convent and

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's engaging to watch

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_03]: which I like he reminded me a little bit of

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_03]: um

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_03]: was it

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Elliot or Ezra the kid I liked him world beyond

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_03]: he was really cute the kind of dorky one with

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_03]: the cordy-roy suit that sort of vibe

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_03]: but I am a bit like oh he's gonna have to win me over

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_03]: a little bit I think I'm like

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_01]: a grumpy lady and and I

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_01]: predict that Isabel

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_01]: because Isabel I think is going with him

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Darrell's gonna be on a mission to take

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Laurent up north

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_01]: where there's a better place for him

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think Isabel's going with him

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_01]: but I predict Isabel will die and Darrell

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_01]: will be stuck with this kid

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah there's gonna something's gonna happen

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think she's making it all the way

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_03]: whether it's because she stays behind somewhere

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_03]: or yeah I'm

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_03]: with you on that

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_03]: have one very shallow thing

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_03]: which is I thought that his outfit with the suspenders

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_03]: was ridiculous and it really made me laugh

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_03]: he looked like something of a tinted cartoon

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_03]: when they put the little um

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_03]: trouser holding suspenders on him

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_03]: um but then they made it up for it later

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_03]: because Darrell got a better outfit later

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_03]: so that was fine but the thing that

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_03]: really

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_03]: the only thing in the writing where I was like

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_03]: was

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_03]: that Darrell opened up so quickly

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_03]: to Isabel and was like sure

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll take a bath and let you give me a sponge bath

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_03]: now I know you're gonna say sexy nun sponge

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_03]: bath who could say no

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_03]: but it did

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_01]: he was already in the bath too and then she just came in

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_01]: right? Yeah I was a bit like

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I was sort of thinking about Darrell

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_03]: and Alexandria refusing to have a shower

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_03]: for three weeks and eating raw squirrel on the porch

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_03]: and I was like

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll take it because

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_03]: stuff has changed and he's like essentially

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_03]: been parenting R.J. and Judith

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_03]: and like he's a different guy to what he was back then

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_03]: but there was a little bit of me that was

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_03]: like

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_03]: when she was asking him about his scars and he said stuff like

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Daddy was a smoker I was like this feels

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_03]: weirdly intimate

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_03]: for how little they've known each other

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_03]: and also for how closed off

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_03]: we know Darrell has been with even people

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_03]: like Carol about this in the past so

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe I'm just being

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_03]: not charitable

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_03]: about character development but it did

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_03]: there was a point where I was like is this

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_03]: too

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_03]: much

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_03]: for Darrell Dixon? We just

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: had our Darrell episode and one of the things

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_01]: we said is he's prickly

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_01]: right? Yeah.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_01]: One of the listeners called him

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_01]: something porcupine I forget what now

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_01]: but it was great. I think it was Nathan

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_01]: so yeah

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of agree with you I hadn't thought about that

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_01]: but also we said

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_01]: that he's a really good judge of character

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and that really did come through

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_01]: well he thought okay

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_01]: this place seems alright

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and they have what I need

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_01]: so I'm gonna go ahead and accept their

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_01]: graciousness but then when he's like

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_01]: you're fucking with me which is such a funny thing to say to a nun

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_01]: at that moment

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_01]: when he figured out like suddenly

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_01]: she's like you're the one that we need here

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's like oh okay

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_01]: this is too good to be true I thought

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_01]: it was just you giving to me out of

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_01]: goodness and graciousness because

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_01]: you're good God fearing people

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_01]: but actually you want something from me

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and you got this creepy kid

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and this priest

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_01]: zombie priest

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_01]: so I think he thought

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_01]: oh shit I was wrong about

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_01]: them so but he wasn't wrong

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I mean we'll find out

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_01]: but I think their hearts in the right place

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_01]: you know what I feel like I'm rambling a little bit

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: but I just feel like he could

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: tell that they're okay

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I think so and I think one thing

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I will say and this is one of those things that's probably not

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_03]: that

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know maybe it's

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_03]: centering myself in this too much is

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_03]: having lived abroad as an immigrant

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_03]: and having traveled a lot

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_03]: you do have to be a bit

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_03]: more

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_03]: open to help

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_03]: from other people when you are completely

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_03]: out of your comfort zone because you need

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_03]: people to survive and help

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_03]: you so maybe I don't know maybe that's

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_03]: part of it but there was just a bit

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_03]: of me that at certain point was like

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_03]: is this still Darryl

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_03]: it is there isn't I don't know

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I think so

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_03]: and the other notes I have just about

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Laurent are

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_03]: he gave the context of how few people

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_03]: there are in France which is kind of useful

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I got a bit grossed out when he said

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_03]: repopulating that and then

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_03]: they're talking about a Muslim Messiah I'm like

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_03]: oh is he gonna like repopulate this like

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_03]: weird little Rubik's cute kid

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_03]: but

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I noticed something on the second

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_03]: watch that I hadn't noticed the first time

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_03]: which is that

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_03]: he quotes Judith to Darryl

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_03]: he says you deserve a happy ending too

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_03]: and that really throws Darryl

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_03]: and I hadn't realized it the first time I was watching it

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_03]: so they're really leaning

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_03]: into this kid might actually be a bit

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_03]: special which is fun

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah he's definitely

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: really smart

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_01]: but that moment made it seem like

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_01]: okay

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_01]: he has some emotional intelligence

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_01]: he can tell that Darryl's hurting

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_01]: although it's not too hard to look at him

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_03]: fucking look at his face

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_03]: like cheer up mate

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_01]: right exactly

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_01]: but still when he said that line

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_01]: to me yeah like you said it might be

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_01]: it could be a coincidence or it could be

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_01]: a hint that there's actually something

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_01]: sort of mystical or supernatural

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how you say it in religious terms

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_01]: but going on

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_03]: and I think they can get away with it in this setting

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't believe that

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_03]: if they dropped us in like

[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know New England

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_03]: and found a random religious compound

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_03]: and they were like this kids the Messiah

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_03]: there's something about

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_03]: the spectacle of being

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_03]: in this medieval

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_03]: abbey in France

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_03]: that I think allows us to be a bit more fantastical

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_03]: about it and like

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_03]: killer nuns and that sort of imagery

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like yeah okay

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_03]: alright let's try this

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah totally because

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I would think

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_01]: if this was the walking dead

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_01]: in Georgia

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_01]: then

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_01]: it would turn out to be

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_01]: a bunch of crap everything that

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Isabel's saying but yeah

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_01]: there's something about it being in Europe

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_01]: with this

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_01]: music and this setting

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_01]: that you think oh maybe it is

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_01]: true maybe he is some kind of a Messiah

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_01]: because it definitely feels like

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_01]: where the story is going because Daryl

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_01]: is portrayed as

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_01]: an atheist or he doesn't believe

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_01]: in God and that

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_01]: she's Isabel's trying

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_01]: to get him to become a believer

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and that maybe he will develop that

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_01]: over time you know

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and that because he'll see

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_01]: evidence of it

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and I might as well say right now

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm an agnostic which means

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if there's God

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I absolutely don't believe

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_01]: in organized religion though and I think the Bible

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_01]: was just made up by people looking for answers

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_01]: but I

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and I want to be able to talk

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_01]: about this story which clearly is going to have religious

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_01]: themes and be honest about where I'm really coming

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_01]: from I don't want to offend anyone though

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_01]: so as always I'm totally

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_01]: open and welcoming

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_01]: of contrary

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_01]: viewpoints and I want you guys

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_01]: to have it be as a discussion

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_01]: with me but I will say some things

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_01]: about organized religion really bother me

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm probably going to talk about that

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was interesting

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_03]: as well that they made

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_03]: a point of the convent

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_03]: as Darrell called it

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_03]: incorporating other religions

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_03]: so there was iconography from Judaism

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Buddhism and other religions

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_03]: collected on the wall

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_03]: that Darrell was looking at while he was in the bath

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_03]: and she talks about it as being

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_03]: a spiritual alliance

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_03]: who believe that humanity is being tested

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_03]: and I was like that's interesting because

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_03]: like you I'm not a particularly religious person

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_03]: so

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_03]: but I'm open minded about it

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I think in the same way that you are

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_01]: the one I respect the most

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_01]: is like Unitarian Universalists

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_01]: that do also

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_01]: welcome all faiths

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah I would describe myself as

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_03]: a humanist who is open to

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_03]: some spiritual things

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_03]: that's my self description

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah I'm just like

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_03]: but these to be fair

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_03]: this band of nuns

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_03]: seem pretty cool

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know I'd be pretty happy living with them

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Darrell got a heck of a breakfast

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah the setting felt

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_01]: like yeah oh yeah

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_01]: after I just like

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_01]: was stranded on this boat

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and I had no food and water

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and there's zombies everywhere and all of a sudden you're in this

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_01]: like spa basically

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah spa surrounded by women

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_03]: and one kid

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_03]: the only other dude is dead you're like

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_03]: there's a medieval armory like radio

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah that's so cool

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and on that note the flip side of this is

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's not a long point at all

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_03]: it's just the stuff I liked

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_03]: about it and then

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_03]: the setting was a big one

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I liked that Darrell picked up

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_03]: a phrase book for accuracy I thought that was quite funny

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean you would if you didn't speak any French

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_01]: do you think he'll be speaking French by the end of this

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_03]: oh me way

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_03]: certainly more

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope so

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I loved

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_03]: the scene of him eating lunch outside

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_03]: the eggs, the bread, the goat

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_03]: the chicken like just the sense that this little

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Abby is kind of doing pretty well

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_03]: and that first I did laugh

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_03]: the first time we saw Isabel because she looked so like

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_03]: a Jawa in Star Wars I was like it's a Jawa

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_03]: oh no it's Isabel

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_03]: like peering at him over the top of the mountain

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_03]: and her like brown coat and hood

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah so there were things I really liked

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I loved that he dreamed of Judith and Carol

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was really sweet

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_03]: that he's clearly thinking about them

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm sure we'll talk about them

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_03]: but there were some really cool kind of Darrell one-liners

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_03]: in this

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I already made plans in looking to make more

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I had knew a kid like that

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_03]: in grade school got his ass kicked a lot

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_03]: like probably by Darrell

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah at that moment

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_01]: that was right when

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_01]: he saw the

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_01]: zombie priest and he was like

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_01]: okay fuck this I'm out of here it's just another creepy place

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I've been to enough of these

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_01]: see this X on my back that's from kids

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_01]: like yeah the kindre murder

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_03]: we don't talk about that enough

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah it's like if I whiff

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_01]: creepy I'm out and this kid

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_01]: like getting me away from him

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_01]: but anyway so then

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_01]: he had turned like

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_01]: psychologically okay

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm dumb and I think he was highly triggered

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and he started

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_01]: to sound more like because I just

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_01]: watched some early Darrell scenes

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_01]: to get ready for our podcast last week more like

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_01]: early Darrell triggered you know

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_01]: like yeah

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_01]: what did you say about

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_01]: kids on the playground like that they got their ass kicked

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and then he's like I'm gonna

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_01]: can I borrow this and pick some weapon and then he goes

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna borrow this too

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Darrell goes really

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_03]: feral when he's triggered he's like

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_03]: survival instinct it's like

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_03]: like a dog or a cat

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_03]: like when you corner him he's like a wild animal

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_01]: right

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_03]: so those were my

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_03]: my goods and bads

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_03]: other things that I like that I'll talk about those were kind of the ones that didn't really fall under anything else

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_03]: were the things that

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_03]: bugged and the things that I thought were cool

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_01]: nice

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_01]: alright I'm gonna talk about how Darrell got

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_01]: to France because

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_01]: it's kind of a longer point but

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_01]: when people hear about the series

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_01]: whenever I've mentioned it

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_01]: hey there's gonna be a spin off with Darrell and

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_01]: France and they're like how did Darrell get to France

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_01]: that's what people always ask and I read

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Greg Nicotero said the same

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_01]: thing when he talks about it they always ask that

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_01]: because it's such a silly idea and a part of me

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_01]: thought it might be fun to never even

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_01]: explain it but

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of glad that apparently they are

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_01]: going to explain it

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_01]: you know so

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to go back though first off

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_01]: where did Darrell where do we leave

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Darrell we saw in the walking dead

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_01]: finale that he was

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_01]: out exploring and

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_01]: there was a time jump at the end there and then he

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_01]: had a moment with Connie

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and she asked him how's the frontier

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and he said quiet for now

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_01]: so it seems like he's kind of patrolling

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_01]: the frontier for danger

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and then Maggie's

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_01]: talking to Darrell and Carol and saying

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to talk about the future there's a lot out

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_01]: there to find out about and I think it's time

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_01]: we did and that's really

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_01]: all they say about

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a cue

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_01]: for where Darrell's going to explore

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_01]: you know just to

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_01]: sort of see what's out there I guess

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe make some alliances

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_01]: see if there's danger that this is kind of

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_01]: just me guessing but

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_01]: then Darrell says goodbye to Judith

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and RJ and she says she'll keep an eye on dog

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_01]: by the way so

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_01]: that's where dog is with Judith

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Carol's watching over

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Judith and RJ God help them

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and them

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_03]: a moment of silence and

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_03]: prayer for Judith and RJ

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_01]: but Darrell does say

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_01]: like when he's on his little audio journal

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_01]: he says he went out looking for something

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_01]: so I think he's also got it in his mind

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_01]: that he's going to look for any signs

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_01]: of Rick he says to Judith

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_01]: when I'm out there if I hear anything see anything

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll find them both bring him home

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_01]: so I don't think that was

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_01]: his main mission but I think

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_01]: that's part of it

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's when Judith says

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_01]: by the way Uncle Darrell you deserve a happy ending too

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_01]: which

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_01]: that's an interesting thing to say

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like she sort of

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_01]: intuits that

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_01]: it's right at the end of Walking Dead

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_01]: the end of a series where most people are happy

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're settled

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_01]: but not Darrell he doesn't get to do that

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and maybe she's intuiting

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: that he doesn't think he deserves a happy ending

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: he still doesn't like himself enough

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_01]: to let him have that or something

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_01]: so anyway we know he's out exploring

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and that he maybe is looking for

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Rick and Michonne

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_01]: he said in this episode to Isabel

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_01]: you asked me how I got here

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I left home looking for something

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_01]: so maybe that's about Rick

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_01]: or maybe something else

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_01]: you know just like peace

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_01]: or fulfillment or whatever

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_01]: or danger or whatever I'd find

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I figured there had to be something out there worth finding

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and I ran into some bad people

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_01]: they put me on a boat that didn't go well

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and I washed the shore

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and I ran into it none

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_01]: so then

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_01]: the next question is what was going on on this boat

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and I believe

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_01]: we'll see that in flashbacks

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_01]: hopefully right?

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I think so

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_01]: but first I mean

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_01]: it brings to mind the existing connections

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_01]: between France and the Walking Dead

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_01]: because there already are

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_01]: that at the end of World Beyond

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_01]: if you didn't watch that

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_01]: we got this post-credits scene that had nothing to do with the rest of the series

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_01]: but it was a lab in France

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_01]: it was a woman

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_01]: watching a tape of Dr. Jenner

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_01]: from season 1

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_01]: episode 6 of the Walking Dead

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_01]: where he's talking about France

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_01]: he said the labs

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_01]: in France were the ones that lasted the longest

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_01]: they stayed until

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_01]: the very end and they were close to finding

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_01]: a cure or something like that

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and in this World Beyond

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_01]: scene we learned

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_01]: that the zombie

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_01]: apocalypse may have started

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_01]: there in that lab or in France

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_01]: graffiti that says

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_01]: L'Émore

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_01]: sonnésie

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_01]: which means the dead were born here

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_01]: this scientist is there

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_01]: watching that tape of Jenner and this angry man

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_01]: comes and pulls a gun on her

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and says

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_01]: she said she was hoping that her colleagues would return

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_01]: there to find a cure and he says

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_01]: you started this and then you made it worse

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_01]: and then he kills her

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and she turns into a Zed immediately

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_01]: but she's fast and aggressive and strong

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_01]: banging at the metal door of the lab

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and denting it

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_01]: so the implication is maybe

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_01]: whatever they were

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_01]: doing, whatever research or

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_01]: experiments they were doing

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_01]: may have started the zombie apocalypse

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and then making it worse to me

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe that's about these variants

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_01]: right? So we've seen

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_01]: the variants that can grab stuff

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and as you just kind of mentioned

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_01]: they said some of their scientists were at a conference

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_01]: in Toledo so maybe they

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know it's all speculation but

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_01]: anyway I think this acid zombie is

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_01]: one of these variants in a way that

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_01]: or it's how

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_01]: the scientists made it even worse

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_01]: by maybe they were trying to

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_01]: find a cure and

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_01]: accidentally made it worse or

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_01]: like

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe they were trying to make it worse

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_01]: but we see

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_01]: these burners in this episode

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_01]: to me a burner is someone who goes to Burning Man

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a burner

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know that

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, that's what we're called

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's an acidic Zed or something

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_01]: hot to the touch, burns

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_01]: whatever it touches

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and Isabel

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_01]: told Daryl

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_01]: that's just one kind so

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_01]: the implication maybe we'll see some flaming Zeds

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_01]: or something, wait I don't know

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_01]: but

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_01]: anyway

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_01]: so

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_01]: at the very end of this episode

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Daryl decides he's

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_01]: apparently the only working

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_01]: port for some reason in France is in

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_01]: the north so they have to

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_01]: traverse all of France

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_01]: it's called Lavre

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_01]: and on the northern coast

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and so we see

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_01]: we know that's where Daryl's headed

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_01]: eventually and then we see that

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and seeing this captain

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_01]: is like explaining to his boss

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_01]: okay so

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_03]: did you fully think the boss was Kublik

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_03]: from World Beyond for a minute with the jacket

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_03]: because when we just

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_03]: saw the back of her I was like

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and then I was like oh I don't remember

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_03]: if she died or not and then I was like oh my god is it her

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_03]: and then it wasn't but it would have been

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_03]: cool as well

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if she died but I think she was at least like

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_01]: imprisoned

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_01]: because Jada's turned on her

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe she died I don't know

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's Madame Genet

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think she's the big bad

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's like oh I'm sorry I'm sorry

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_01]: while we're on the Gulf of Cadiz

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_01]: the prisoner escaped it was beyond her control

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and you find out that was Daryl

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and the doctor

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_01]: there says or the scientist whatever

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_01]: says our research is largely destroyed

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_01]: some of the test subjects

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_01]: may still be of use

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_01]: whoever did this made a real mess of things for us

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and we see the test subjects

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_01]: are walkers

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and so at first

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I had interpreted that whole

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_01]: this whole story as

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_01]: they accidentally

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_01]: created zombies in France

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and then they accidentally made them worse

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_01]: when they were trying to have a cure

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_01]: but now with these guys

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm wondering if they're deliberately trying to

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_01]: make bio weapons or something

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_01]: you know and Daryl found out

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and tried to

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_01]: disrupt it and succeeded in

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_01]: messing a lot of it up but then

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_01]: he had to escape

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Daryl being a prisoner is interesting too

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_03]: because I wondered if it was

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_03]: like

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess what Britain used to do back in the day

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_03]: which is essentially chuck prisoners

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_03]: on boats and send them off to

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_03]: different countries and colonies

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_03]: worldwide

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_03]: but this seems like

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_01]: the test subjects are on the boat

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and so is the scientist

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and so to me it seems like

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like a science vessel

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_01]: or it's

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_01]: not a place for prisoners, it's a place where they're

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_01]: doing these experiments

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and Daryl maybe found out about it

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and got on board and then they left port

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and while they were at sea he messed

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_01]: it up and then they kicked him out

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_01]: or he escaped actually that's what it says

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I wondered as well another theory

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I had but I don't think it's a very good one

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_03]: is that

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_03]: they're swapping research

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_03]: with the kind of groups we saw in

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_03]: World Beyond so test subjects are being

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_03]: transported

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_03]: because that was a huge plot point in World Beyond

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_03]: was test subjects

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_03]: then I thought about it and I was like you couldn't communicate

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_03]: quickly enough for that to

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_03]: work, you couldn't like

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_03]: you know it would take months sort of thing

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_01]: but also I mean

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_01]: he says

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_01]: our research is largely destroyed

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_01]: so it sounds like the research was on

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_01]: the ship and

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Daryl destroyed it

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and then they

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_01]: he had to get out of there before they killed him

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_03]: he did a mutiny and then

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah right there was a talk of a mutiny too

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_03]: but they called him a prisoner

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_03]: so I thought that was interesting

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_03]: why is he a prisoner on a boat sort of thing

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean my guess is

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_01]: he snuck on board

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_01]: because he found out

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_01]: that they were doing bad things

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_01]: this was the first of his

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_01]: list of bad decisions that led him to France

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_01]: you know

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_01]: he said how did you get here a bunch of bad decisions

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and then

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_01]: he fucked around with it all

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and they found him and

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_01]: tried to keep him prisoner and then he escaped

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_03]: he fucked around and found out

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_01]: so we'll see how much of that is right

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I have I think

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_03]: less patience with some of this

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_03]: just because I find

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_03]: one of the things that I

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_03]: liked in the Kang era

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_03]: that we kind of put to bed

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_03]: was the sort of opaque like

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I was looking for something and now the family's troubled

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and then you don't find out what that is for ages

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought the end scene was quite interesting

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I could have done without the sort of

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_03]: grandstanding of like my father

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_03]: fished these waters I'm like no one cares

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's peaked my

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_03]: interest in because it's a shorter series

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel a bit more forgiving of it

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_03]: but I hope we don't

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_03]: linger with the hints too long about

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_03]: like all the family's trouble or

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_03]: bad decisions and things like that

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to find out what those were

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I was surprised they showed as much as they did

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_01]: in this episode

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_01]: really to me signals that they're going to tell

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_01]: that story of what exactly

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_01]: happened

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_03]: were I them

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I would have maybe been listening to

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_03]: not necessarily our podcast

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_03]: but the feedback of people being like

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_03]: we can't take this seriously because how the fuck

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_03]: did Darryl get to France

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and realising like we can't

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_03]: have that hanging because people will just

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_03]: laugh at it and be like well that's dumb

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_03]: whereas if you start to say well we know

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_03]: we have thought this out and there is going to be an answer

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_03]: then

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm certainly feeling a bit more

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_03]: kindly disposed towards

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_03]: like I don't find it as ludicrous anymore

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like okay we'll give it a go

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah and I also

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it ties in you know I don't know

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_01]: if I explained it very well just now but

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_01]: to the very roots of the walking dead

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_01]: not Kirkmans walking dead he didn't like

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_01]: that Frank Darrylbott came up

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_01]: with the story of them going to the CDC

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_01]: meaning Dr. Jenner

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and Dr. Jenner talking about the scientific

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_01]: aspects of the zombies you know

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_01]: but that did happen in the show

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and Jenner mentioned that he'd

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_01]: been communicating with

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_01]: the lab in France until

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_01]: the power went out and they couldn't

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_01]: anymore and that they had stayed

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_01]: open the longest

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and that they were close to a cure

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and now I think at the end of World Beyond

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_01]: we saw that very lab and we saw a woman

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_01]: coming back but then this guy accused her

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and her cohorts of starting it

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_01]: all happened because of you and making it worse

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and now we're seeing these

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_01]: people on this boat who are doing

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_01]: some kind of experiments

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think these

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_01]: variants are all a part of that

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_01]: that's how they made it worse and so I don't know

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Kirkman never wanted to

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_01]: explain how this whole thing started

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_01]: but I'm starting to think maybe in the Darryl

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_01]: show we might find out

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I think if we're going this far into the

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_03]: realm of

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_03]: spin-offs we need to start offering

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_03]: new things and I think

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_03]: that is a big part

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_03]: of it I think you make a really good point which is

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_03]: like we're gonna need to start

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_03]: knowing at some point otherwise it's just

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_03]: gonna start being annoying

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_01]: totally I feel the same

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I was always on board with Kirkman

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I agreed with him that

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Derremont shouldn't have done that

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_01]: but man it's

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_01]: what that started in 2010 it's 13 years later

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_01]: okay fine let's find out

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_01]: why not you're still going

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_02]: exactly it's like well we're still here

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_02]: so like why not try

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_01]: alright amazing alright

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_03]: what's next

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_03]: uwe malist

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_03]: so the Maribel

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_03]: storyline

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I just want to talk about it a little bit

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I'd missed the first time round

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_03]: that they were pooling a fast one

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_03]: with the grandfather pretending

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_03]: to be blind

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_03]: and that they were always potentially

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_03]: not very nice well not nice

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_03]: people but people who were out to get what they could

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of rolled my eyes about where she was like

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_03]: you are American guy cool man

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like oh no no no I don't like this

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_03]: but then the scene

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_03]: got a bit more interesting I thought

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Darrell's point about

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_03]: we don't have any countries

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_03]: no more neither I thought was quite interesting

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_03]: the bad guys arrive and Darrell

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_03]: obviously does the noble good guy thing

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_03]: kills this dude

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed that Maribel

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_03]: said save the powder and stab the guy

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_03]: instead because I would imagine

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_03]: that

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_03]: ballistics and munitions are harder to get in

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_03]: France

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I know that guns do exist there

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_03]: but I think they're not as prevalent

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_03]: as in the States

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_03]: the reveal that the older dude

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_03]: isn't blind and that they are bad people

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and they've mugged a foreigner

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_03]: and they leave Darrell where he sees Isabel

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_03]: come to save him

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_03]: that said I didn't love

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_03]: what happened to them I thought that was quite sad

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_03]: when the big bads killed her grandfather

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_03]: and were being very violent

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_03]: and intimidating towards her

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_03]: and Maribel lies about what Darrell has done

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_03]: and takes them back to the attack site

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_03]: it was very interesting

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_03]: when

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_03]: the main bad guy was looking for his brother

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Michelle

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I wondered if that was a deliberate Merle parallel

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Merle parallel

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Merle Merle or

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I think so because you find zombie Michelle

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's all distraught

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_03]: so that yeah I rewatched

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_03]: the Darrell and Merle scene

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I had forgotten how sad that was

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed his musket with the blade attached

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_03]: and clearly

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_03]: sets up the

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_03]: ongoing conflict and pursuit for this season

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_03]: of him being after the American

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_03]: for killing his brother

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_01]: even though he didn't

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_03]: even though he didn't

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_03]: so I think that is

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_03]: that was all cute I don't know if we'll see Maribel again

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_03]: she was cute

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_03]: she was a nice character

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_03]: not a nice character but a fun

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of introduction to sort of

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_03]: a new landscape of people

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we will

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_01]: because this guy the tattooed face guy

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_01]: his name is Codrone

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_01]: he left her alive

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and said he would show her mercy

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_01]: because I guess she gave her information

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_01]: about

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_01]: what that sign meant or who

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_01]: killed her brother whatever even though it was a lie

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm like that's dumb

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_01]: because you killed her friend

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_01]: right in front of her

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_01]: this guy who may or may not be her grandpa

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and then you let her live

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_01]: like she's gonna have a reason

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_01]: to want to take revenge on you

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and because it's a show

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I think well we'll see her again then

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_01]: that's what I think

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_03]: and she seems very opportunistic

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like she's gonna do what's right

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_03]: in that moment I don't think she's gonna necessarily

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_03]: be loyal to one person

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_03]: or another so I think you're completely right

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah I think that makes a lot of sense there

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_03]: so it was

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_03]: it was a nice functional little storyline

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_03]: that sets up another conflict for the season

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_03]: so I thought I should mention it

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_01]: so

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean there were things about all this

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_01]: that I liked and didn't like

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I loved that

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Maribel and Guillaume

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_01]: that's the guy's name

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_01]: they seemed really nice

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're like

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_01]: everything okay and they want to trade

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_01]: which is a nice thing

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and to trade medicine for food

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're talking about teaming up

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm like Darrell's sort of

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_01]: assessing the situation

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and Darrell wouldn't know

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_01]: the situation in Europe at all

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_01]: he would wonder if things were the same in US

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_01]: but hopefully could be much worse

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_01]: but in the US you can't trust people

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_03]: he's got a little bit from the Irish dude

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_03]: but not a lot I thought that was quite neat actually

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_03]: with the Irish dude is he's like

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_03]: categorically said

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_03]: we've gone from Ireland to Britain down the coast

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and we've not found anything yet everything's all fucked up

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_03]: but you're right he wouldn't know

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_03]: the ins and outs of how it's working in the country

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_01]: but I mean he's smart enough to know

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_01]: you can't just trust people

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_01]: but they're very convincing

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and then I guess probably

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_01]: even more when he needs to help

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_01]: them fight off these guys who are clearly assholes

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and so these two guys

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_01]: that came up in the truck, Henri

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and Michelle

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_01]: we don't

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what they wanted because I don't speak French

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and they didn't have subtitles for that part

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_03]: they didn't right I was going to ask about that

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_03]: because I was like oh no

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Amelie come in please

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_01]: let me see

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I had asked her in chat

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_01]: let me see if she answered

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_01]: nope she didn't answer yet

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_01]: so we don't know

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_01]: but I think somebody said something about food

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe they were just asking them for food

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_01]: but they were telling Daryl to sit down

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and they were smacking her around

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and stuff

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_03]: well it looks like they were going to take her off and assault her

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_03]: like he was peeling her away

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_03]: which I thought had a little bit of a connotation

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_03]: that something bad was about to happen to her

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_03]: and they just had these

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_03]: either way not good vibes

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_01]: who she looks on their faces

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_01]: so Daryl kills one

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and the other one shoots Daryl

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and then she hits him

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Maribel

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Daryl grabs his gun and then she saves the powder

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and kills him so at that point

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he feels like they're a team

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_01]: but then Guillaume waxes him

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and they start going to stuff

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and in that moment I was like

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_01]: ah this just got a lot more interesting

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_01]: because I was pulled in too

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought they could be trusted

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's much more interesting

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_01]: that they were scamming him

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_01]: even though it's messed up

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and you can tell by

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_01]: the way they

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_01]: act that they're

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_01]: just looking out for themselves but they're not evil

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think, I don't know though

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_01]: you don't know for sure if they would have killed Daryl

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_01]: actually because the only reason they ran away

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_01]: is because Isabel came up

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and she was firing her gun

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_01]: so they may have just killed him

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_03]: my reading was pretty similar to yours

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_03]: in that like

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_03]: bandits but not necessarily evil

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_03]: but we don't know

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_03]: we don't know for sure

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_01]: so then when

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_01]: later we meet

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Codrone, the tattoo face guy

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's looking for his men

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and we find out one's his brother

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and he grew up with the other one

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and then he kills Guillaume

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_01]: right in front of Maribel

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_01]: which was harsh

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_01]: but all of that

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_01]: felt like ah this feels like standard

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_01]: walking dead villain

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_01]: not that interesting

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I did like the music that was playing

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_01]: when he killed the old guy because it was sort of understated

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_01]: which was interesting

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_01]: but yeah then

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_01]: he doesn't kill her which I thought was

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_01]: dumb and then

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_01]: when he

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_01]: goes to the Abbey

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_01]: and

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_01]: forces you know kind of

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_01]: well he insists on coming in or else

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_01]: he's gonna break in and he's

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_01]: asking them about

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Daryl and they say he's not there

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and then he comes across the priest

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and one of the guys kills him

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_01]: she knives him in the face

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_01]: or stabs him in the face

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and then Laurent runs out all upset

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and Codrone says he's gonna take Laurent

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's like this is my leverage

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_01]: to get you to be honest with me basically

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's when the nuns start fighting back

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and that scene was pretty awesome

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_01]: that was cool

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean one of those guys just

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_01]: shot three nuns

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and that was fucked up man

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and then this other nun comes up

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and stabs him like four times in the chest

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_03]: yeahhhhhh

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean the nuns are like fuck no

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_03]: and you're like okay

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Daryl comes out and he's fighting

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and has a fist fight with Codrone

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and Codrone gets the upper hand

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and then Isabel comes in and does a classic

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Walking Dead Lastman to save which was a long delay

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_01]: but um then Daryl shoots at him

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_01]: a couple times in misses so I guess they're only good

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: at shots when it's a zombie

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_03]: that felt a bit stormtroopery

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like come on lads

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_03]: but fine whatever

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_01]: so as I actually

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_01]: probably thought the whole thing

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_01]: with Codrone was one of the least

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: interesting things about the episode

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_01]: but the thing about this

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_01]: at least this episode they handle

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_01]: typical scenes really well

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: like this nun scene

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_01]: fighting scene was

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_01]: thrilling to watch and horrible

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and then I have another point

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_01]: about the zombie scene in the

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_01]: market can I actually go on to that

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_03]: absolutely because I kinda skipped over

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_03]: that I would love to talk about the

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Marché zombies

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_01]: that's another one that I thought

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_01]: was handled really well and was such

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_01]: a typical Walking Dead type scene

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_01]: so he approaches the door

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_01]: of this market La Stacion Biol

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_04]: everything's so quiet

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_01]: has a picture of food

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_01]: so he's like alright and someone painted

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Attention Affam

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_01]: which means watch out

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_01]: hungry or basically

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_01]: don't dead open inside you know

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_03]: don't dead I imagine if they'd done that in French

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I would love that that would be such a deep cut

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: but he doesn't know French

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_01]: now of course it is

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: really dumb that Daryl

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: would let himself go into the

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_01]: middle of a place that's infested with

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Zeds Daryl wouldn't do that

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: but hey we gotta have scenes like this

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_01]: so I'm willing to overlook it even though

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: it did stand out so he's sniffing jars

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_01]: he walks right into the center

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah and we hear one Zed

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_01]: that he can't with its arm out stretched

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and then he notices and the music

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_01]: was here where I found

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_01]: really effective suspense full horror

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_01]: movieish with sharp drums

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_01]: as the situation gets worse

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and then they rise all around him

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and then he's stabbing him with this new

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_01]: type of weapon this fisherman spear

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and then you get

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_01]: like he knocks one down and you hear

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_01]: the acid coming off its head into

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_01]: the floor and then grabs Daryl

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_01]: burning his arm and he's like ah

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_01]: what he's screaming in surprise

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_01]: it was cool to see him flustered

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah yeah I like that

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's what made it maybe

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_01]: a little more realistic that he would

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_01]: be flustered because he just

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: like what is this and then

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_01]: he gets kind of the high ground and starts stabbing

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: them and using his knife too when he needs to

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and then this knife throw at the end to cap

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: it all off just to get the last one

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: was great so I

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: was pretty impressed that they

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_01]: could make a tense zine out of

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_01]: a zombie attack this far and then

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_01]: he notes the acid on the floor so

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: he's like learning something new so that made

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: it kind of different too and the zombies

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_03]: looked amazing like so wasted

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_03]: and rich it almost skeletons

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_03]: more than zombies because of the

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_03]: sort of leathery

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_03]: boiling burner

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I liked it I thought it was very cool

[01:02:47] [SPEAKER_01]: right and then you see

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: the scar on his arm later

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's all like yellowy

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_01]: hand shaped and

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and then we see like you said

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_01]: all the scars on his back so

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: that just made me think of scars he also

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: has a scar on his eye and I saw people

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_01]: were asking where he got that I think we don't

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_01]: know I think he got it during one of the time jumps

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and Leah had asked him about it but we

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_01]: don't know where you got the scar on his eye

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like one of his face scars was worse

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_03]: than it used to be as well maybe

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_03]: or bigger but yeah he's

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_03]: looking a bit bashed up shall we say

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah well then yeah he takes

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: up a shirt and you see that big X

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's from the feral children with

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Michonne and Michonne's friend

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: had trained them to be killers or I forgot

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Jocelyn

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and then you do see the cigarette

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: burn scars on him too

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I was so confused the first

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_03]: one I watched that scene because I'm like she's obviously

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_03]: asking you about the mad child murder

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_03]: scars he's like dead it was a smoker and I'm like

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_03]: the fuck's that got to do with that I think

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and I was like did he drag

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_03]: the cigarette into his mouth? Yeah I was like

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_03]: what was he smoking and then I was like

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_03]: oh okay that makes more sense yeah

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah I mean I love that line

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I gotta admit

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I have another point about dialogue later but

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: that just

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: succinctly tells a lot

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_01]: about him without with him feeling

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: like I don't really want to talk about it but

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_01]: here's a little this should

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: tell you everything you need to know

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and I like that they show the scars

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_01]: the continuity you know

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: yes oh it must be a nightmare in

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_03]: makeup you must have said they're like oh my

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_03]: god what the fuck like what were we doing

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: today um no I agree

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that that was very cool

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and then later

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Isabelle says the parish priest used

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_01]: to say that our scars show that we have

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: suffered but more importantly that we have healed

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_01]: from our suffering and I'm like well yeah

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_01]: physically but not necessarily

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_01]: like mentally or

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: spiritually it's one of those things

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_03]: that sounds really like whoa and then

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_03]: you think about it and you're like

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_03]: eh

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_03]: like ooh no

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: it doesn't actually

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_03]: comfort me in any way

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I know yeah it sounds like yeah I

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: actually that's a good because I hate it

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: when people try to kind of blow smoke up

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_01]: your butt or just try to make things

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: seem better than they really are

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: when sometimes you just need to deal with things how they

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_01]: really are you know yeah

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah I think that's a

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_03]: that's a more apt way of looking at it

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_03]: to be honest

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_01]: alright what else

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_03]: alrighty

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I like Isabelle

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I think she's interesting

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I really like Clemence Pouzi

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I first saw her as

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Fleur de la Cour in Harry Potter

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_03]: and the Goblet of Fire back in 2005

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_03]: which was a little funny because

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_03]: some bits of the convent look really like Hogwarts

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_03]: so I was a bit like tee hee hee

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Fleur de la Cour is in the hospital wing

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Clemence Pouzi

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_03]: is an amazing actress

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and I like

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_03]: that I don't think she's going to be

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_03]: a romantic interest for Darryl

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_03]: which I think is a good decision

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I mean I think

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I wondered maybe if the point

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_01]: of having him go to

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: this sort of convent place

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: right off the bat

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_01]: is to say no we're keeping it

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_01]: the same with Darryl where he doesn't really

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_01]: have romance I mean I guess they did kind of break

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_01]: that towards the end there but you know what I mean like

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_01]: resetting a little bit

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah although I have to say

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that Isabelle would have been a much

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_03]: better choice than Leah

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_03]: so he has my blessing

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_03]: if he wants to pursue that

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_03]: but

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I liked her backstory that her parents had worked

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_03]: in war zones across Europe

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_03]: it gives a sense of the kind of

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_03]: resilience she might have built up

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought she gave a very good kind of

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_03]: summation of

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_03]: what they're trying to do at the Abbey

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_03]: what they're trying to

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_03]: create she talks about them

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_03]: looking for

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_03]: looking to make it kind of agricultural

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_03]: land she talks about kind of

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_03]: spiritual understanding

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_03]: it's interesting

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_03]: when she's talking to her boss

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_03]: to the mother superior

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_03]: the mother superior refers to Darryl

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_03]: as a person who lives without God

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_03]: and Isabelle says so was I once

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_03]: so there's clearly a journey there

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_03]: and a story there

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: what I didn't like about that is because they're looking for

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_01]: a person to transport

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Laurent right because they think he's

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_01]: the Messiah that's going to save

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_03]: because he drew a picture of a man with a beard

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_01]: well no they think Laurent is the Messiah

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah yeah exactly

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and so anyway

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: this older nun

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_01]: is saying if he's not

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: if he's faithless then

[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_01]: we don't want him to do it

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and Isabelle's response

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: to that is well I was faithless once too

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_01]: so basically she's saying

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: he'll come around what she could have said was

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_01]: it doesn't matter he's a good person

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah exactly doesn't matter

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_01]: he'll get it done

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah what she's saying is he'll see the light

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah exactly

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_03]: but maybe that's what

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_03]: mother's peer wants to hear

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_03]: but mother's peer is not long for this world

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_03]: so it doesn't really fucking matter does it

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_03]: it was interesting because I think it made

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_03]: it a bit more impactful when she then

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_03]: when Isabelle then goes into like some more

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_03]: highfalutin

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_03]: stuff about

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_03]: he's going to be the Messiah he's going to rise again

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_03]: you're going to take him there

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_03]: it's more of a shock

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_03]: because she comes off as so kind of

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_03]: grounded before that

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah and that's to Darrell too

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_03]: yes exactly

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought I had more about Isabelle

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_03]: but I think my notes are in

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Fraffi order they did a good job of

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_01]: because really I think

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: she was just trying to

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I actually dug

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: the scenes between them all of them even in the

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: bath like because they just seem to have

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: a good connection

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: that felt like

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: you know in any

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: another contact or with another person

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I would be embarrassed to be naked

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_01]: in front of you but this place is so

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_01]: it's just

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_01]: holy and

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_01]: pure and it's okay

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_01]: it's fine I trust you

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_01]: but I think she also

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_01]: had it in mind like

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I gotta

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_01]: gotta keep getting this guy to trust me

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_01]: you know like she

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: told him that he could use the radio later

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: even though she damn well knew

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_01]: that the tube had blown out

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's why he said you're fucking with me

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_01]: because that's when he realized ah

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_01]: she hasn't been totally honest with me

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: she's been trying to lure me in

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I did fully laugh at that though

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_03]: when he's like can I use the radio

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_03]: and she's like when you're better

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm like

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_03]: he's like walking around like I feel like he needs the radio

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_03]: and he's just like okay

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm like alright Darrell maybe

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe be a bit more cynical there

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_03]: but yeah no I know what you mean

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_03]: generally I just

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited to see the three of them as a unit

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if the fourth sister is coming with them

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't help but think she's a bit of a red shirt

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_03]: the other nuns left at the end

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_03]: a red

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_03]: red habit

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_03]: is that what we call them and they've got none habits on

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_03]: but essentially

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm into it

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I really like her

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I like her as an actress I think she can

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_03]: carry a scene

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_03]: so I'm very intrigued to see

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_03]: where they go I hope she doesn't die off

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_03]: really quickly if she's gonna die

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_03]: and I think she's a good

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_03]: scene partner for Darrell

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and for Laurent in these kind of

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_03]: early moments

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with all that I do yeah

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_01]: she's a great character good actress

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_01]: last part of the second half

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_01]: of what I was just saying about

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_01]: like she wanted to keep

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: his trust to lure

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_01]: him in is that as soon

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: as he saw that zombie priest

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and he decided

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_01]: to leave then she's like

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have time for that anymore I have to just

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_01]: tell him everything

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and frantically so

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_01]: you know but wait

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: you're

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: well I was gonna say you're the Messiah

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_01]: because it seemed like they were gonna have Darrell as

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus figure but it was more like Darrell

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_01]: as Jesus bodyguard

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_03]: you're the Messiah's chauffeur

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_03]: you're the Messiah's chauffeur

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_03]: how's he gonna

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_03]: how's he gonna get there himself

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_03]: oh my goodness I did like the drawing

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_03]: it did make me laugh

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_03]: but yes it's

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I like that they're doing this

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_03]: thing kind of reminds me of yellow jackets

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_03]: a little bit where

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_03]: much more subtly much more

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_03]: lightly they're touching on

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah there's a completely

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_03]: sane reading of all of this which is

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Darrell needs to get

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_03]: north they want to send this kid north for a better life

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_03]: because he's not getting much just living at the convent

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_03]: with these nuns

[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_03]: however there's also does

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_03]: is is he a bit psychic

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_03]: is he a bit prophetic is he an empath

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_03]: is he the Messiah

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I like that it can be read

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_03]: two ways and I always think that leads

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_03]: to richer storytelling when there's a bit

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_03]: of ambivalence there

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_01]: that's a great point I like it although I do

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: question

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: um

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: there's apparently another

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Abby or some other place up north with

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and she's saying

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah he would be better off there because there's other

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: kids and there's teachers

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_01]: but because Darrell had said

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_01]: he's safer here

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and she's

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_01]: like he'd be better off there because

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: there's other kids and teachers and he's like safety is more

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_01]: important and I'm kind of like yeah

[01:12:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of agree with that like it's a zombie

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: apocalypse and so I think it's

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: her belief that he's the Messiah that pushes

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: her to go well no it's worth it to put

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_01]: this little kid in danger

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_01]: because of my beliefs

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah that kind of pisses me off

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah if you take it within

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_01]: the terms of the show as you're saying maybe

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_01]: he is the Messiah in which case it probably

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_01]: is smart to take that risk you know what I mean

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_01]: if he actually is like

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_01]: if I knew for sure that he was

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and that that was possible then

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I would say yes you need to

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah what's wrong now you know

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah yeah yeah

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_01]: so that goes into my point

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: about religious implications

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Darrell sees the sign

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_01]: do you

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: vuzo may

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: God loves you

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_01]: he looks it up in his book and he just goes

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_01]: pfff

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_01]: God loves you

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_01]: because it just makes his feelings clear

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: but then

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_01]: at the convent

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_01]: she says we believe humanity

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_01]: is enduring a test

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_01]: from which we will soon be delivered

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_01]: this is my personal thing but to think that

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_01]: the zombie apocalypse is a test

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and billions of people have died

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_01]: just to test you few

[01:13:25] [SPEAKER_01]: who are left that's a lot of hubris

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_01]: it's I don't and it's also

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_01]: frankly a fucked up test anyone who's

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_01]: gonna test me like that by killing a billion

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_01]: of my friends I don't really like that

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_03]: yep you're like that is not a test

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_03]: that I want to participate in

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_01]: just kill me too

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_03]: did her shall think something similar

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I think a lot of this is kind

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: of echoing her shall

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_01]: if he thought that

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he may have

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_03]: he thought it was like a

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_03]: temporary plague or something didn't he

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah maybe so

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_01]: he said I can't

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_01]: profess to understand God's plan

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Christ promise a resurrection of the

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_01]: dead I just thought he had something a little different

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_03]: in mind oh you had that walked and loaded

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_03]: love it yeah yeah

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: because it reminded me of her shall I mean

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_01]: they're keeping

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_01]: zombie

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Jean I mean sorry pair Jean

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_01]: the priest alive

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_01]: quote-unquote the Jean because

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_01]: they think

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_01]: they have certain beliefs about the redemption

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_01]: of souls even the wicked and the hungry ones

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and clearly also he's

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_01]: very important to them I didn't notice

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_01]: it on first watch but on second wash he gets brought up a lot

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_01]: they talk about his office

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_01]: that he helped teach

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Laurent

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: you know just that he's very important

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_01]: but anyways

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't under

[01:14:50] [SPEAKER_03]: danger yeah

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if we tell

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_01]: but it reminds me that they kept

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_01]: that her shall kept

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_01]: his zombie family in his barn

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: you know just like they kept

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Pair Jean alive

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think that probably had something to do

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_01]: in both cases with their religious beliefs

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_04]: mm-hmm

[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: you know

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_01]: but anyway

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: just think this whole

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_01]: thing about

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_01]: wanting Darrell to go

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: on this dangerous mission to take

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: this kid because he

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: may be the Messiah

[01:15:30] um

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: know I guess I like what you're saying

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_01]: that because they did say

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: okay this only port is up north

[01:15:39] [SPEAKER_01]: can you trust that now

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_01]: what if that's a lie just to get him to go

[01:15:43] [SPEAKER_02]: exactly like you don't know

[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_01]: right yeah but

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean what I was gonna say is at least there's

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: a practical benefit

[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_01]: to Darrell so that whether or not

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_01]: any of this is true that

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_01]: at least he needs to go up there anyway

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_01]: but man now I now that I'm thinking

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: about it you never know

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_01]: whether that's true or not

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_03]: that might not be right

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_01]: so I but I want to try to do my best

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_01]: because if this was a real world kind of a

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: thing I would just think

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: okay these people are

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_01]: nuts to be honest and

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Darrell just needs to get

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_01]: away from them um

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_01]: they also make the point that

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_01]: he'll do better going up north

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: if they have someone who could speak if he has

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_01]: someone who could speak French with him

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_01]: um but

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_01]: again we don't know if we can trust that he even needs to go

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_01]: there he could maybe there's other ports

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_01]: elsewhere but anyway since it's not

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the real world it's a fictitious story

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_01]: then I'm gonna keep it open mind that maybe

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_01]: this actually is like

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: this kid is the Messiah

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and Darrell's gonna be doing something great

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_01]: for humanity by taking him up there I mean it's the

[01:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: walking dead which usually is pretty

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: bleak so I kind

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_01]: of doubt that he is

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: but then again it's 12

[01:16:54] [SPEAKER_01]: 13 years in so they're doing

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_01]: things differently so maybe he is you know there's

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_03]: something I really thought

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_03]: either of us would have mentioned by now that we

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_03]: haven't and I feel like this might be the

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_03]: juncture to do it do you know what I'm gonna say

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_03]: uh-huh the last of us

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_01]: oh yeah yeah I have a

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_01]: point about Laurent's where okay cool

[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah yeah

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: absolutely

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: the thing is yeah so

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Laurent he's an orphan he's

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: precocious he's brilliant

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_03]: he was born of a

[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_03]: mum who died in childbirth

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah so I mean

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_01]: the thing about

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_01]: if you so

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_01]: if you're religious then you have faith

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and faith means belief

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_01]: without evidence and so

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_01]: that means you're trained

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: strongly to believe things without

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_01]: evidence and to see things as

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_01]: signs that your beliefs are real

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_01]: and so it's only

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: a group like this after 12 years

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_01]: into a zombie apocalypse that they could hold on

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_01]: to this belief that

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: somebody was going to save

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: them or something like that right and they

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: take it as a sign that because he was

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_01]: born

[01:18:02] [SPEAKER_01]: when his mother died that

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_01]: you know he should have died too and he

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_01]: didn't so that means he's special

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and all of this

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and whether he is or not

[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_01]: he they've convinced

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Darrell to take him

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Isabella maybe one other is going to

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_01]: go along with him

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and why do you think Darrell changed his mind

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_03]: um

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_03]: partly because the convent

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_03]: was destroyed

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_01]: so what

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_03]: well Laurent's got nowhere safe to be

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_03]: he's got to go somewhere else

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_01]: but was it destroyed

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_03]: well there were no nuns left I don't think

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_03]: there were some I think it was just the two

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_03]: well I wondered that I was going to ask you

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_03]: what you thought about this because at the fire at the end

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_03]: it's just Isabelle

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_03]: um

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Laurent Darrell and

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Richard Nunn

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_01]: so you think they were all pretty much killed

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_01]: okay maybe that's

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_01]: that would make sense more sense why he would

[01:19:02] [SPEAKER_03]: return to take him I didn't get it

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_03]: the first time round

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_01]: but the second time I watched it all of Coedrone's guys got killed except for him

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah I think it was pretty much a nun

[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_03]: massacre

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_03]: um so I think

[01:19:14] [SPEAKER_03]: he changed his mind partly because

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_03]: there's nowhere for Laurent to be

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_03]: anymore

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and I think partly because of the pool

[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_03]: of getting to the port

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's the other thing

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah um

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_03]: and maybe just you know he's not doing anything else

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_03]: like I don't know

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I have nothing else to do but he see he wasn't going

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_01]: to do it and then he decided to do it

[01:19:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess he just had that

[01:19:39] [SPEAKER_01]: bonding experience of

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: being in a battle with him

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and yeah maybe you're right maybe he just thought

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_01]: this is no longer a safe place

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_03]: he has that moment with the mother superior where she kind of holds his hand as she's dying

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_03]: he might feel guilty

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_03]: because they came looking for him and all those nuns died

[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_03]: so it may be that he's like

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_03]: that's a good point maybe I would

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's probably yeah

[01:19:59] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah I think if you'd done a wreck

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_03]: turned up everyone died

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_03]: um you might feel a bit like

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_03]: oh okay yeah maybe I need to

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_03]: do something

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_03]: um so that would be my theory

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and that older nun who said

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_01]: you know you don't believe but if you look

[01:20:15] [SPEAKER_01]: around there's so many reasons

[01:20:17] [SPEAKER_01]: you'll just find reasons or whatever

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_01]: she's saying

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_01]: you came back here and saved us so that means

[01:20:23] [SPEAKER_01]: you are the one and that's another reason for me

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_01]: to believe but anyway

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_01]: all that is to say that he's agreed

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: to take this kid up and this is

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_01]: the adult

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_01]: escorting a child trope that we've seen

[01:20:35] [SPEAKER_01]: so much

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_01]: these days

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_01]: as you mentioned it's

[01:20:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Joel and Ellie in The Last of Us but also

[01:20:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Leigh and Clementine in Telltale's

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Walking Dead Game which came

[01:20:46] [SPEAKER_01]: before Last of Us actually

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_01]: did it? That's really interesting I didn't know that

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_01]: just before yeah

[01:20:52] [SPEAKER_01]: uh Neegan and Judith

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Neegan and Lydia

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_01]: um I mean not necessarily even escorting

[01:20:58] [SPEAKER_01]: but just sort of taking on this

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_01]: role where they're a pair

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Darrell and Judith Darrell and Lydia

[01:21:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Neegan and Ginny

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_01]: in Dead City

[01:21:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and then there's Mando

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and Grogu in The Mandalorian

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_01]: there's Obi-Wan and Leia

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_01]: in the Obi-Wan Kenobi miniseries from a couple years ago

[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_01]: there's

[01:21:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Helen, Justino and Melanie

[01:21:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and the girl with all the gifts that's a

[01:21:21] [SPEAKER_01]: another zombie thing not as well known

[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah I love that book

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah it's such a good book and the movie was pretty good too

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Wolverine and Laura and Logan

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and on and on and it's just this

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_01]: trope that's come up so much

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_01]: lately that

[01:21:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's always similar you have this

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: gruff dude and a sassy kid

[01:21:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and they end up melting each other's hearts

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_01]: you know

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's really effective is the thing

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's starting to get old

[01:21:48] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah I like

[01:21:49] [SPEAKER_03]: that you've opened it up to not just be the Last of Us

[01:21:51] [SPEAKER_03]: because so many of the reviews

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_03]: are just like

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_03]: the Last of Us

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm like yeah but also like

[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_03]: there's more to it than that

[01:22:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I think there is a bit of like

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_03]: okay

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah it's the story again

[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_03]: but I think as you point out it's not as simple

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_03]: as this is just

[01:22:11] [SPEAKER_03]: the Last of Us rip off because

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_03]: it's more of a trope

[01:22:15] [SPEAKER_01]: right and which maybe makes it a little more okay

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_01]: because there's a lot of tropes

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_01]: out there that people come back to

[01:22:21] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of the time

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_03]: and like Hero Child and Hero's Journey

[01:22:25] [SPEAKER_03]: and sort of MacGuff and stuff that

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_03]: that's a kind of kid's literature thing as well

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_03]: you know all literature thing

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_01]: one of my writers teachers said

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and you have to decide whether this is

[01:22:34] [SPEAKER_01]: how true this is or not but there's only two kinds

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: of stories it's a stranger comes

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: to town or someone

[01:22:40] [SPEAKER_01]: goes on a journey

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_03]: and this one's both way

[01:22:43] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah this is kind of out of the bag

[01:22:46] [SPEAKER_03]: amazing

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_01]: alright so do you have

[01:22:50] [SPEAKER_01]: any more points

[01:22:51] [SPEAKER_03]: no I just have a couple of wee notes

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I have one more point

[01:22:56] [SPEAKER_03]: oh go for it

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_01]: okay it's just

[01:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: dialogue because I thought

[01:23:01] [SPEAKER_01]: the dialogue was good

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_01]: in this I reserve judgment

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_01]: because sometimes

[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and we'll see how the rest of the season goes but

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I found myself really enjoying a lot

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_01]: of it and just

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: little it's very

[01:23:15] [SPEAKER_01]: succinct and kind of punchy

[01:23:17] [SPEAKER_01]: like

[01:23:19] [SPEAKER_01]: when Darryl says

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_01]: you know or she says how did you

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_01]: get to be here and he goes

[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_01]: a bunch of bad decisions

[01:23:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and then later when

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: he says

[01:23:30] [SPEAKER_01]: your English is good and she said

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_01]: her parents worked for

[01:23:36] [SPEAKER_01]: medicine, san frontier

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_01]: they traveled all over blah blah blah

[01:23:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and she goes how did you end up here

[01:23:40] [SPEAKER_01]: or she says a bunch of good decisions

[01:23:42] [SPEAKER_01]: that was kind of funny she's got this kind of

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: self-satisfied look on her face like that was a good one

[01:23:48] [SPEAKER_01]: let's see

[01:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: when

[01:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: she said the cauterization is holding

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_01]: best to clean up avoid affection

[01:23:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be back with the dressings

[01:23:56] [SPEAKER_01]: and he goes Darryl

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_01]: you can call me Darryl and she just said

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_01]: it's

[01:24:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know it feels natural or something

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_01]: the daddy was a smoker

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_01]: thing

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_01]: when Darryl and Isabelle were walking past some nuns

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: when he first got there and she said

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: some greeting and they didn't answer

[01:24:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and she said they're afraid of you and he goes

[01:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be gone soon

[01:24:21] [SPEAKER_01]: or

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_01]: they walk into this room with all the weapons

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_01]: she says medieval churches

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_01]: often had weapons rooms

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: you needed them back then and he goes make sense

[01:24:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and she goes we trained ourselves to use them just in case

[01:24:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and he goes killer nuns huh

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I love that I was like yeah

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah

[01:24:39] [SPEAKER_01]: or when he gets Laurent gives him the Rubik's cube

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_01]: now you try my record is three minutes and 12 seconds

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and he goes I'm not really good at shit like that

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I love that I thought that was really funny

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_03]: he doesn't let that kid kinda get into his head

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_03]: he's like no you're fine

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_01]: oh yeah

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_01]: how many people do you think live within the boundaries

[01:24:59] [SPEAKER_01]: of what was once France starting from

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_01]: 67 million people before the fall

[01:25:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I speculate current French populace

[01:25:04] [SPEAKER_01]: a fewer than 200,000

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Darryl says I was gonna say way less

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and he goes much less

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Laurent you're the worst

[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I love that though

[01:25:14] [SPEAKER_01]: it was great

[01:25:15] [SPEAKER_03]: very in keeping with that kind of precocious character

[01:25:19] [SPEAKER_03]: which I loved

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I also me as a kid would own

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_03]: 100% of corrective him as well

[01:25:23] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah and it's just funny to see

[01:25:26] [SPEAKER_01]: someone picking a Darryl like that

[01:25:28] [SPEAKER_01]: now I can't wait to see more of that

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and see how he responds

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Maribel is teaching

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yelm English from a book

[01:25:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and she goes

[01:25:37] [SPEAKER_01]: everything has gone

[01:25:38] [SPEAKER_01]: pear shaped

[01:25:40] [SPEAKER_01]: it means bad and he goes

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_01]: pear shaped

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_01]: we on form de voir

[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I just think that's kinda funny and it's also true

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_03]: there's some like some of the things

[01:25:50] [SPEAKER_03]: idioms that we have are absolutely stupid man

[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_03]: pear shaped

[01:25:53] [SPEAKER_01]: when Darryl sees Laurent

[01:25:56] [SPEAKER_01]: reciting poetry to a zombie

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_01]: the zombie priest

[01:25:59] [SPEAKER_01]: you got a lot of witchy shit going on around here

[01:26:01] [SPEAKER_01]: dead priest in the closet and a creepy kid

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_02]: no thanks creepy kid I love that

[01:26:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_01]: so funny because you think that there may be bonding

[01:26:10] [SPEAKER_01]: but not necessarily

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_03]: that thing where he's like mirroring him I'd be like

[01:26:13] [SPEAKER_03]: em

[01:26:15] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah that's weird

[01:26:17] [SPEAKER_01]: when she's hands in the drawing

[01:26:20] [SPEAKER_01]: he drew this and Darryl goes

[01:26:21] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah he should stick to math

[01:26:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_01]: it's good writing

[01:26:30] [SPEAKER_03]: it feels right

[01:26:33] [SPEAKER_03]: for the character and the yeah

[01:26:35] [SPEAKER_03]: no I like it a lot

[01:26:37] [SPEAKER_03]: very much

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_01]: what do you got for notes

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_03]: not much at all

[01:26:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I pondered if the grunts of

[01:26:45] [SPEAKER_03]: French zombies would sound different

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they do but I thought it was

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_04]: interesting to ponder that

[01:26:51] [SPEAKER_03]: sometimes I wonder if my cat Miao is in a different language

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_03]: when we moved to Canada

[01:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like

[01:26:56] [SPEAKER_03]: when other cats hear my cat Miao are they like

[01:26:59] [SPEAKER_03]: one accent so

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_03]: my question remains unanswered

[01:27:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not convinced you should cover a burn

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_03]: but I guess it stops infection

[01:27:08] [SPEAKER_03]: getting in when it's that bad of a burn

[01:27:09] [SPEAKER_03]: so you know

[01:27:11] [SPEAKER_01]: well my brother

[01:27:13] [SPEAKER_01]: when he was one year old

[01:27:15] [SPEAKER_01]: pulled hot coffee

[01:27:17] [SPEAKER_01]: on to himself

[01:27:18] [SPEAKER_01]: and it went all over his arm

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and he got

[01:27:22] [SPEAKER_01]: bad third degree burns

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and for I don't know months

[01:27:27] [SPEAKER_01]: after a few couple months after that

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_01]: a guy would come every day

[01:27:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and redress his bandages

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_01]: so he had to keep

[01:27:35] [SPEAKER_01]: redoing it because it was all sticky

[01:27:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and everything you know it was

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_01]: really bad yeah and then

[01:27:40] [SPEAKER_01]: like three years later

[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_01]: we were at a shopping

[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_01]: grocery store and we saw the

[01:27:46] [SPEAKER_01]: doctor that would come and redress his bandages

[01:27:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and he just started crying

[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_01]: oh oh so sad

[01:27:53] [SPEAKER_01]: oh he's 46 now

[01:27:55] [SPEAKER_03]: he's fine I don't think I've ever heard

[01:27:57] [SPEAKER_03]: you mention your brother before

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_01]: not my brother Jeremy

[01:28:01] [SPEAKER_01]: grew up together

[01:28:03] [SPEAKER_01]: he's a Modesto well series right next to

[01:28:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Modesto going good guy

[01:28:07] [SPEAKER_03]: he sounds lovely

[01:28:09] [SPEAKER_03]: well I mean they don't know if he sounds like he had a really bad experience once and I feel bad for him

[01:28:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I did and I think that

[01:28:15] [SPEAKER_01]: may have had an impact on

[01:28:17] [SPEAKER_01]: him you know just that trauma

[01:28:19] [SPEAKER_01]: at such an early age

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah burns are

[01:28:23] [SPEAKER_03]: burns are nasty

[01:28:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess

[01:28:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I had another

[01:28:28] [SPEAKER_03]: medical note for listeners

[01:28:29] [SPEAKER_03]: not doctor but

[01:28:31] [SPEAKER_03]: the Irish guy mentions that his wife

[01:28:34] [SPEAKER_03]: had a heart attack

[01:28:35] [SPEAKER_03]: women listeners

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_03]: people out there who know women

[01:28:39] [SPEAKER_03]: listeners symptoms of heart attack

[01:28:41] [SPEAKER_03]: and women are different from symptoms of heart attack

[01:28:44] [SPEAKER_03]: in men they are less acute

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_03]: and women can have a heart attack

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_03]: for a very long period of time

[01:28:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and not know it so read up

[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_03]: on the symptoms of heart attacks and women because

[01:28:54] [SPEAKER_03]: they do present differently

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_03]: and for some reason we're only taught the symptoms in men

[01:28:59] [SPEAKER_03]: so that's my public health

[01:29:01] [SPEAKER_03]: announcement yeah I didn't know it until

[01:29:03] [SPEAKER_03]: like last year I learned that like

[01:29:05] [SPEAKER_03]: a few years back because I knew someone who had one

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah very different in men

[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_03]: and women

[01:29:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure what season it's supposed to be

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_03]: in France it looks like

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_03]: they filmed in summer but they're trying to look cold

[01:29:17] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's very beautiful

[01:29:19] [SPEAKER_03]: with the blue skies

[01:29:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and I like the kind of aesthetic outfits

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_03]: everyone is wearing so that really pleased me

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a bell pointed out

[01:29:27] [SPEAKER_03]: that they refer to the zombies

[01:29:29] [SPEAKER_03]: and we've probably mentioned this earlier as the hungry ones

[01:29:31] [SPEAKER_03]: and as you pointed out

[01:29:33] [SPEAKER_03]: burners are just one kind so I'm excited

[01:29:35] [SPEAKER_03]: to see what more kinds of them are

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_03]: but the hungry ones I thought was quite a cool name

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to see rainbow zombies

[01:29:42] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, ones that like

[01:29:43] [SPEAKER_03]: barf out coloured liquid

[01:29:44] [SPEAKER_03]: that's what I would like

[01:29:46] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, happy ones

[01:29:48] [SPEAKER_01]: like variants that are just huggy and everything

[01:29:50] [SPEAKER_03]: dancing ones like thriller variants

[01:29:56] [SPEAKER_03]: that's why we are in charge of the lab

[01:30:01] [SPEAKER_01]: we're gonna make it happen

[01:30:02] [SPEAKER_03]: that is me

[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_03]: that's my shizzle

[01:30:07] [SPEAKER_01]: we covered all my notes except

[01:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: it just should be mentioned that Greg Nicotero

[01:30:13] [SPEAKER_01]: trustee faithful

[01:30:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Nicotero is also an EP on this

[01:30:16] [SPEAKER_01]: as is Norman Reedus

[01:30:18] [SPEAKER_03]: well they're quite close

[01:30:19] [SPEAKER_03]: aren't they Greg and Norman

[01:30:21] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, yeah

[01:30:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's been involved with everything walking dead to Nicotero

[01:30:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and even Fear the Walking Dead

[01:30:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and then also

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_01]: David Zabel

[01:30:33] [SPEAKER_01]: he's the showrunner and writer

[01:30:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and he worked on ER

[01:30:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think he was actually the showrunner for the last

[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_01]: several years of that show

[01:30:41] [SPEAKER_01]: so that's a good show

[01:30:43] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, that was a great show

[01:30:45] [SPEAKER_03]: that's quite high profile

[01:30:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I like that

[01:30:53] [SPEAKER_01]: alright, say 2

[01:30:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's our show, episode 536

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[01:31:28] [SPEAKER_03]: what's the fall lineup Jason, what have we got?

[01:31:31] [SPEAKER_01]: well I won't go through

[01:31:33] [SPEAKER_01]: all of them but we

[01:31:34] [SPEAKER_01]: one of our other shows is also going to Europe

[01:31:36] [SPEAKER_01]: because we're about to start covering

[01:31:38] [SPEAKER_01]: the white lotus season 2

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: which takes place in Sicily

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_01]: so that's

[01:31:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'll mention

[01:31:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Ahsoka, that's been getting a lot of

[01:31:48] [SPEAKER_01]: interest and Jonathan James and Kristen

[01:31:50] [SPEAKER_01]: have been doing a great job on that

[01:31:52] [SPEAKER_01]: so it's another show to check out

[01:31:54] [SPEAKER_03]: amazing

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[01:32:19] [SPEAKER_03]: thanks so much for listening

[01:32:21] [SPEAKER_03]: don't you do this

[01:32:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Samantha Harfinest

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_03]: bye

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_03]: good luck

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_01]: excellent