539: "Alouette" Listener Feedback

[00:00:00] Hey Zed Heads, welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason. And I'm Emily. And I'm Jem. And we're going to go through your feedback for The Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon, season one, episode two, Alouette. Welcome Emily and Jem, two unfamiliar forces, sort of, but not quite. Glad to have you

[00:00:55] guys on. It's great to be on. This is awesome. Yeah, I'm happy to be here. So Emily and Jem are both longtime listeners. Jem, like going back to episode three of The Walking Dead. And

[00:01:09] if you guys heard our episodes on this Apple TV Plus show, Silo, which was a really good show, if you haven't had a chance to watch it. We did a couple episodes on that. Emily co-hosted with me,

[00:01:20] so you might remember her from that. And Jem hasn't been on yet, but he did one of our Patreon exclusive Fear the Walking Dead roundtable rants with me, which was a lot of fun.

[00:01:32] We got six more to go. Do you want to do another one of those? Oh, for sure. Cool. Oh, for sure. That'll be the final six. This is another listener feedback episode. If you want to join in on one of

[00:01:45] these, you can send email or voice message to talk at podcastica.com, or you can join our Facebook group, which is a ton of fun at facebook.com slash group slash podcastica. All that's in the show

[00:01:58] notes and or you can just go to podcastica.com and find it all there too. And first, before we get into the feedback, a little news. Infected news. So just one thing in the news, SFX Magazine interviewed Greg Nicotero, who we know is the

[00:02:23] makeup guru behind all the zombie stuff on The Walking Dead. But then he became a director and executive producer and just took on a bigger role. And he's also an executive producer on

[00:02:34] the Daryl Dixon show. I would say, of course, but apparently that wasn't a given for a while, which you'll hear about in this interview. So he talked about what Norman Reedus's input is on the Daryl Dixon show. He said, Norman really rolled up his sleeves as a producer.

[00:02:51] He had a very, very specific input on everything, including that he loved David Zabel, who's the showrunner. Norman wanted to collaborate with him and he and I really felt that it was important to

[00:03:01] have a showrunner who was outside The Walking Dead universe. So they're really wanting to make it feel different than The Walking Dead. I don't know if that means that Norman was like,

[00:03:14] can you get Angela Kang off this? Let's have David Zabel. I doubt it. Right? You would think he would. I can't imagine. Yeah. Maybe after she left and they were looking for somebody to come in and do it, then he said, get this guy.

[00:03:27] And I think it's evident, right? I think it feels in some ways very different, even though we've got, as you noted in the other show, there are parts of it that feel

[00:03:40] very much The Walking Dead. But definitely, I think the thing I loved about the show the most was just there's a feel to it that's very different. I mean, and the way it looks feels to me very different as well. So I think that's a good call.

[00:03:53] I mean, I'm realizing now I should have asked you guys at the top how you're liking the show. What do you think of it? Amelie, what about you? I really, really like it. I feel like it's Walking Dead good, not just spin-off good. That's good.

[00:04:11] If I can say so. Yeah. I really dig the last episode. I thought it was awesome. Of course, the beginning was just insane. Yeah, I think it's good. The writing is good. It's refreshing. Like Jim was saying, a different setting, but still the good old Walking Dead.

[00:04:31] Have you spent much time in France? I mean, you're French-Canadian, right? Yeah, I traveled to France in the early 20s. I was there for maybe a month or a month and a half. That's cool. So do you understand all of the French in the show? No problem?

[00:04:50] Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's them that have a harder time to understand us for some reason. Wait, who? Oh, you mean the French- French people from France. So you must have a different perspective on it because sometimes they don't have subtitles and

[00:05:10] that's because Darryl doesn't know what they're saying and they kind of want it to be a mystery to us, I feel like too, but it's not a mystery to you. You can just understand it all.

[00:05:21] Yeah, but the way it's done, I mean, you can tell that Darryl is clueless about what people are saying sometimes. He doesn't understand the language. So maybe I don't have the same experience you have, but it's still something that is conveyed to us. You still get it.

[00:05:37] Yeah. Yeah. But I'm just saying, like, they could be saying, we're going to kill that guy, that scruffy guy over there in about five seconds. Or they could be saying, I'm really sleepy. I could use a nap. You don't know. But I'm glad you're liking it.

[00:05:54] I don't even watch the subtitles. That's cool. Yeah. I wish I knew French that well. What about you, Jim? How are you digging it? It sounds like you're liking it, huh?

[00:06:06] Yeah. I go so far as to say, I mean, it's not like we've had a lot of spinoffs yet, but I wasn't really keen on Dead City. It was fine. But I have the same problems you have with Negan,

[00:06:17] which makes the show very difficult for me. So I feel like, you know, I guess my first thought after I saw it was it was my favorite part of the spinoff. But like Amelie said, I think

[00:06:31] it fits like a good Walking Dead episode with one caveat. I think the cinematography and the production value of this show, just the way they went back and forth and just the way that

[00:06:44] they filmed it, I mean, I know this is going to come up, but it did remind me a little bit of another show that's not in the Walking Dead universe with the cinematography. I thought the Paris scenes were beautiful, but of course, Paris is beautiful. And I really

[00:07:00] seem to get the feel of what Europe would be like, France would be like in a zombie apocalypse, which I guess refreshing to get away from Georgia a little bit. Yeah. I mean, maybe it's kind of hard to parse. How much am I enjoying looking at this? Because

[00:07:19] the settings are so beautiful. And I think you're right, though, that it's also about just the great filmmaking, the way they've set up the color palette and the filter, whatever filter they're using, or whatever cameras they're using, and just the framing and everything like

[00:07:35] that all impacts it to the lighting and everything. You know? There is some silly to it. But I think, you know, you can do silly well, which will make the silly a little bit better than... I think, unfortunately, everybody's going to look at this

[00:07:53] with the weight of some bad Fear the Walking Dead and some bad Walking Dead. We've got the kids in this episode and stuff like that. So the minute I saw that, I was like, oh, gosh, oh, no, no,

[00:08:05] no, no, no. But then they did it. I think they did it as well as you could with all that history. So I'm really happy with the show. I can't wait to see where it goes.

[00:08:13] Yeah, it's cool. All right. So let me continue on with this interview. So Nick Guterr was talking about when they first read the script that the writer, I guess it was David Zabell that wrote the first script or whoever wrote the script for the first episode to turn

[00:08:27] into them. And he says, initially, both Norman and I had a gut reaction like, ooh, that doesn't feel like The Walking Dead. And then after about 20 seconds, it was like, wait a minute, that's

[00:08:36] what we want. So they're pretty much talking about how they wanted, you know, to feel fresh. They talked about on how Greg wasn't brought into the series until about two months into pre-production. And he says, Norman kept saying, you can't do that show without Greg. You guys

[00:08:53] have to make a deal. He's got to be there. Then David called me and said, how would you feel about not directing this season? So I guess he was just going to be a director but not be a producer.

[00:09:04] And he says, honestly, I felt that it was best for the show that we have someone else come in to direct. Then I could help establish the visual palette, but have someone else realize it.

[00:09:14] In retrospect, I'm really glad that I didn't direct because it allowed me to roll up my sleeves with the directors and really hone in on exactly what we needed to do. So that sounds like

[00:09:24] they had the showrunner who was not from The Walking Dead, you know, David Zabell, he's done other quality TV to help make it fresh. But then they had Nick Attaro in there to keep it also

[00:09:37] feeling enough like The Walking Dead to make us feel like it was a Walking Dead show, you know, got to find that balance. I feel like I think it works so far. Yeah, hopefully it stays that way.

[00:09:48] I know we were only two episodes. I mean, you mentioned there aren't that many spinoffs, but believe it or not, this is like the fifth one. You know, yeah, there was a year and there was

[00:09:59] the world beyond world beyond that there was Tales of the Walking Dead. And then there was the Negan show, Dead City. And so this is number five. I thought Tales was better than most people

[00:10:13] did. But I like it. Cool. But I think probably the problem is it didn't feel enough like Walking Dead to people. And also a big thing about Walking Dead is how much you love the characters. And

[00:10:25] these are all people who don't know, you know, so I don't think they're going to come back with that again. Unfortunately, I watched one episode and I didn't like it. That was enough for you.

[00:10:35] They were all very different from one another. So if you're ever bored, I would recommend trying maybe try one that everyone said. Yeah, I should give it a go. If you want whatever.

[00:10:48] There's a lot to do. But there are some really good ones in there. I think you might actually like some of them. Anyway, on to the next thing. Let's see. Last point. They're talking about making

[00:11:00] sure there's continuity with the main show. He says stepping into this role as an EP my job when I landed in Paris was to make sure that there was some continuity in the two worlds, but not enough

[00:11:09] that it would make the show feel like we've seen it before. I felt really passionate along with Norman that we wanted the show to have a different feel. My style of directing is kind of the style

[00:11:19] of The Walking Dead because I directed almost 40 episodes, which that kind of surprised me. I didn't realize he directed that many. I'm going to go back and look and see if that's true.

[00:11:27] He says, I thought it was important that the show have a different visual flavor to it. So I was very glad because I didn't need to be behind the camera. So anyway, that's kind of what we were

[00:11:35] already talking about. I can't believe you that I, you know, I did see him. Is he counting? Maybe? I mean, that's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot. I saw him here and there, but I don't be right.

[00:11:48] Because there's only 120 some episodes. He directed like a third of them. I don't know about maybe he directed more. He's a liar in the other series. And he's counting. I don't know if he did, though. I don't know. I'm gonna have to go count. Maybe the

[00:12:06] magazine printed it wrong or something. Anyway, we'll see. But let's move on to Lister Mone's groans and grunts. All right, Amelie, you want to go first? Okay, so Ron Zember says, So I only took high school Spanish, but is Laurent French for Ellie?

[00:12:33] So he's making a little joke there. And that is funny. And it reminds me that last time I said I was going to do a spoilery section at the end and I totally forgot. So we'll talk a little bit more

[00:12:46] about some of the similarities between The Last of Us and The Walking or The Daryl Show at the end of this podcast. All right, Nathan Eshelman says, That'd be funny. I would love to see that. Not good. Wouldn't it be funny if he just picked it

[00:13:12] up and solved it in like 13 seconds? I know. It's like, oh, I'm a natural. I mean, the Rubik's Cube, not to go into too much, but you can't really solve it without help unless you're a genius. I don't think it's possible unless you're- 100%. It's all about learning algorithms.

[00:13:30] Yeah, I can do it because I learned. Me too. But I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just following a pattern. Okay. Mofevo says, What does it say when tension of Daryl making a faux pas

[00:13:44] is equal to the tension of the bad guys and more than the hungry ones? She's saying, well, what was the faux pas that he made? I guess whether he's going to mess up

[00:13:58] his prayer and give away that he's a priest. I think it's not because of anything wrong with this show, but just because we've seen zombies for so long that we're jaded on all that. And

[00:14:09] it's more interesting to see other kinds of things, even though there's less at stake. That's what I think. Okay. Steve Barr says, Next week, Daryl finds a human and Norman Reedus finds a copy of The Last of Us on the director's laptop.

[00:14:27] I'm trying to think if I feel critical of, I guess, like I said, everyone thinks about The Last of Us, but there's so many of these similar plots lately where there's an older character,

[00:14:43] shepherding and younger characters. So I feel like it's bigger than The Last of Us, which then somehow weirdly makes me feel less critical of it. Just like it's a bigger trope. So it's not as

[00:14:53] if they hit, if it had only ever been seen in The Last of Us and then they were doing it here, then it would seem more like they just lifted it from another show. I don't know.

[00:15:01] I 100% agree. And I think Daryl, in some ways was sort of heading in this path anyways, with where he kind of left off in the regular show. And they've already kind of done it even on The Walking Dead to a degree with

[00:15:17] Negan and Judith and Daryl and Lydia and stuff like that. And the vibe is different in general, I feel in both shows. Yeah. So far, I mean, yeah, I agree because Laurent is so, he's a little smart aleck kind of,

[00:15:37] but he doesn't mean to be, but you know what I mean? He's interesting in that way that these other characters not necessarily were. And also he's very sheltered and he's been lied to. So

[00:15:48] we're going to find out what it's like when, I mean, I guess Ellie was a little bit like that too, though. I don't know. Anyway. Well, every time I keep coming up with a reason why it's

[00:15:56] different, I keep coming up with, well, wait, that might be the same. Yeah, that's exactly the same actually. Oh, well. I have, I don't know, maybe I'm just lost in the cinematography,

[00:16:07] but I haven't felt that way yet in these first two episodes, but I haven't been looking for it either. So. I mean, I just think they thought there's a reason why this story has been done

[00:16:17] a lot. It's because it grabs us, it makes us feel tender towards the main character. If they can warm up to a younger person and protect them, you know, it's a good story,

[00:16:31] but it could get played out. Yeah. I don't, I just don't feel like it's, I don't know. Yeah. I'm not feeling like it's so played out that I'm not into it for this clearly. Clearly. And we don't know how it's going to play out. Right. Like, I mean,

[00:16:43] yeah, there are lots of different directions that could go. I mean, you know, so anyways. All right. Des Combs says, I never thought hearing a bunch of kids saying

[00:16:56] Nanu Nanu would tear me up. I felt the same way, by the way. I also thought they wanted us to think Isabel was way older than she looked. New order and cocaine looks like the 80s to me.

[00:17:07] Cocaine is timeless. No, I don't know. So is New Order. So is New Order. Yeah, exactly. Andrea Hale Olmsted says, Hey, Jason and Lucy, I love this episode. It was so cool to see the

[00:17:23] subway scene. Oh, by the way, Lucy is just out away on business this week. Why she couldn't join us for this, but she'll be back for the next episode. Andrea says it was so cool to

[00:17:35] see the subway scene at the start of the virus. I know. Not gonna lie, I got excited when I saw the American in hopes it was Rick's brother, but definitely glad it wasn't. Excited to see where

[00:17:47] this story is going. And more backstory on the nun. Love interest for Darryl? I hope so. He deserves a happy ending too. So there was a comic with where Rick's about Rick's brother in France. That's why people keep bringing that up. What you don't think?

[00:18:08] It was in Spain, actually, not to. Oh, was it really? I think it was in Spain. Yeah, but it was in Europe, but I think it was in Spain. Okay. Why do you not think Darryl deserves a happy ending? Why?

[00:18:19] No, I do. I do. I just don't think. He should sleep with nuns. Isabel is going to be a love interest. But maybe. I don't think so either. But yeah, at this point, I don't know for sure, but I don't think so.

[00:18:32] I think her backstory is interesting and I don't think we're done with it yet. So I'm very curious to see how that all plays out, especially when we get to Paris, if we get to Paris.

[00:18:42] Yeah. I mean, got to go to Paris. Yeah. Robin Springer says, Jason, I knew as soon as I saw your comment that we were going to see the beginning of the apocalypse in Paris and I wasn't disappointed. Love seeing the backstories and sweet little Sylvie as a little

[00:19:00] girl. I'm super scared for her though. Somehow she'll be killed, probably protecting Laurent. Also love seeing Darryl laugh at Mark and Mindy and watching him bond with the kids as he always does. Yeah, that's true. That was nice.

[00:19:17] Robin said, I saw your comment. That's because after I watched about 15 minutes of it, I posted online, oh my God, the first 10 minutes are so good. And Robin knew exactly what I meant by that.

[00:19:29] So sorry, I didn't mean to spoil it. That's what made me jump in. I was like, oh, there's no, there's going to be... He did that so well. That was my favorite part of the episode.

[00:19:40] All right. Colin Stilwell says, so many callbacks in this episode from the equine deaths and the medieval weapons and the standoffs. I hate that I love the show because The Walking Dead is so near

[00:19:50] and dear to me. I haven't watched Sunday Night Football in 13 years because of this show, Go Bears. I love where this show is going. And I loved the flashbacks to Isabelle's life as it

[00:20:00] came undone. Laurent is her child? Basically that plot twist had me yelling at my children to stay inside so I could keep watching. Thanks for the amazing pod. Y'all are amazing. Yeah. I mean, he's just saying Laurent is basically her child because

[00:20:18] her sister died and she just sort of took over taking care of him and lied about it for some reason. I won't. Yeah, I don't get that. Sean says, Fatherdale seemed to really let out some pent up emotions while saying grace.

[00:20:37] Yeah. He, I mean, I talked about how I thought it was moving and sincere, but then I watched the episode again with Jenny and it wasn't really grace. It was more like, God, you must have had

[00:20:53] a good reason for doing this, but man, if this isn't good enough for you, I don't know what it is. It was more like a bitch session, you know, which makes sense for Darryl.

[00:21:07] See that soup scene made me laugh so hard. I don't think I've ever laughed like that during The Walking Dead. My only point of criticism for the series so far is that Darryl has yet to stab

[00:21:15] his head in the head with a stale baguette. I'd rate this episode four out of five gags. Oh, that's so cliche. All right, let's do a call. Here's Anwen. Bonjour Jason and Lucy. You guys, this show is really good. I have to admit I had to trudge

[00:21:37] through Dead City. I didn't enjoy it that much and it was okay, but this is just so refreshing. The locations and the scenery and the characters are really different and oh, it's just fantastic. This episode was awesome. I loved seeing the background story

[00:21:55] of Isabella. It's not often that we get a really good start of the zombie apocalypse flashback with our main characters. I'm trying to remember the last time. I know we saw it with Thea, but

[00:22:08] I'm just trying to remember if we've seen much of it before. It was great. It was so fantastic. I felt like I was watching a really great zombie movie. I love how they had this really great

[00:22:21] side quest on this episode. They found a civilization that was managing just fine and then they didn't leave it in ruins. They actually left it better than when they found it, which was

[00:22:30] fantastic. It's so great. I'm looking forward to it every single week and can't wait to see where it goes. Last week, Jason, I can't believe that you hadn't heard of the expression

[00:22:44] puking your ring out. Just wanted to let you guys know that is a very common expression here in New Zealand. What else can I say? Nothing much else except to say nanu nanu and I guess I should

[00:22:58] probably do my French zombie sound. Bravo. Okay, so this is how I sound when I turn into a zombie. Yeah, you don't even have to try. Thanks, Anwen. Okay, so Dre Manoni says, I am always so fascinated

[00:23:22] by the flashbacks to the beginning of the apocalypse. As soon as we find out the sister is pregnant, I realize this is the Laurent connection. Definitely curious how a baby wouldn't be infected

[00:23:34] by the time the virus killed the mother. I guess that is a miracle. I loved seeing Father Darryl's attempt at a prayer and his reaction to Mork and Mindy made me believe for a moment we were going

[00:23:48] to get a flashback to Merle and Darryl as kids. This episode actually made me laugh out loud a few times which feels strange for The Walking Dead, but the dialogue is so well written and I can't wait

[00:24:00] for episode three. There's so little humor in The Walking Dead and this episode may have been one of the best, I think, at drawing out laughs. I think I really enjoyed it. Yeah, I hope it continues on.

[00:24:13] Yeah, it's good. All right, Sam Lowe says, what does The Walking Dead have against horses and donkeys? Jeez, kill all the kids you like, but leave these poor animals alone. Just kidding. Dead kids also make me nauseous. Also, I chuckled that even other kids can't

[00:24:32] stand Laurent. I felt bad for him getting bullied by the Lost Boys. But then I remembered that he is annoying. The character, not the actor. The actor's great. I'm a sucker for flashbacks to the beginning of the apocalypse. I would watch a whole show about different people experiencing

[00:24:49] the apocalypse 100%. Yeah, I want to see Glenn delivering pizzas. I don't know. I just want to see what they're waiting for. What were you saying? Oh, I was going to say the donkey was

[00:25:05] Asterix and that he was named after a very popular French comic book and it's also animation movies. Have you heard about that? I've seen that before. I don't know for sure. It's about a Gallic village during the Roman Empire era and they have like a magic potion

[00:25:27] that makes them like super strong and it's the only village in all of France that Julius Caesar was not able to conquer. Anyway, it's really clever and funny and cool. I watched that as a

[00:25:42] kid. That was the donkey's name, Asterix. It's cool. They must have some French consultants or something to make sure people get the cultural references right and stuff like that. I hope so. Alma Contreras says, Bonjour mes amis lol. One of the few comments I know in francais.

[00:26:05] I really like the Isabelle flashback. I appreciate seeing what kind of person she was prior to the fall. She was a naughty girl. The preschooler group was kind of cool and them losing their

[00:26:18] teacher did pull up these old cold heartstrings. And how crazy was it that that dude at the castle was an American too? My huge nitpick is that we now have The Last of Us, The Walking Dead version

[00:26:31] on our hands. Crossing my fingers that this story has some decent twists so it sets them apart from The Last of Us. I think it will. Jemma Hall says, I really enjoy that. I love seeing Day One Apocalypse

[00:26:44] and seeing it in Paris was awesome. All the flashbacks were great. I loved the Peter Pan Lost Boy Kids. I'm glad they weren't evil as Daryl has been through that shit. The older girl

[00:26:58] leader reminded me of what Judith has the potential to be. Watching Mark and Mindy was funny and it seemed like the kids knew the words by heart. I hope they continue to survive. So Laurent,

[00:27:11] it is a bit Last of Us but what are you gonna do? Laurent's mother has died. It was an upsetting scene much like Laurice's section. I want to know why Isabelle didn't just say she was his mother

[00:27:24] or aunt and instead he thinks she's just another nun. Strange. I'm loving this though. It has a Burt Bucks Barcelona vibe mixed with our walkers and rules. Also definitely picking up some sexual tension between Daryl and Isabelle. I don't know about that. Yeah, I'm not getting that. Maybe.

[00:27:45] Do you think the Mark and Mindy like drop was just so that we could connect those kids to being the Lost Boys from Hook? Oh, I hadn't even thought about that. Because it was odd. I mean,

[00:27:58] it's like, yeah, it was working. Yeah, I don't know. But I just thought maybe Daryl liked that show as a kid. I mean, Norman Reedus like that show. Maybe. Oh, you know, who knows or somebody on

[00:28:11] the staff, you know, one of the writers. Right. Tracy Walker says, I loved it so much. A zombie moat. Come on. You just know that baby's father was Isabelle's boyfriend. He was pretty anxious

[00:28:24] to get rid of her. Good for Isabelle for kicking him to the curb. Don't even think about coming between sisters. I'm sure I'm not the only one who worries when one of our guys enters someone

[00:28:34] else's sanctuary. RIP nuns. Luckily, Daryl didn't get the children all killed. And as a bonus, the kids weren't little killers either. There were even a few laugh out loud moments. Father

[00:28:46] Darrell will lead the prayer. As for the last of us comparisons. Well, when the last of us started, everyone was saying, Do we really need another zombie show? For my part, I'm happy to have two

[00:28:57] great shows. And here's hoping Darrell and Joel never end up in a cage match. Not in not in. That's great. She said, I loved it so much a zombie moat. Come on. And I was thinking Yeah,

[00:29:11] I was so happy to see that. I was thinking the zombie moat, you wouldn't even really have to do anything, it would just fill up by itself, you know? And then I thought, Oh, yeah, actually,

[00:29:21] over time, it might just fill all the way up. And then it might overflow, you know? You'd think it would be more full than that over 12 years. Yeah, the stereo. After a while, actually. Yeah. And he didn't seem pretty any at all capable of doing that. So

[00:29:39] yeah. All right. I guess maybe he's like a cattle rancher back in Texas. Okay, here's Steve Brown. Hello, the cast of us. This is Steve. And this is going to be for Darrell Dixon. Season one,

[00:29:54] episode two. I'll do it. Yeah. So is this Isabel that we're gonna get her backstory, you think? It's pretty. She looks a lot like Kim Dickens to me. Oh, so she was robbing all these guys while she was doing coke and getting drinks.

[00:30:09] While Paris went down quick in the Walker zombie apocalypse. Okay, there's white subtitles that when she's talking to a little girl, we're over that white sidewalk. I couldn't see anything they were saying something about the girl's mom and dad didn't come home. I don't know. Okay, come on,

[00:30:25] writers. This is twice now we've had Darrell just stumble into a trap. Come on, these kids that ma sometimes in French went by went by way when they were speaking French about Darrell went by

[00:30:37] way too fast. But I got the gist of it that he doesn't speak he's been there the whole time, but he doesn't speak because Americans almost wonder we never really saw this kind of these

[00:30:46] kind of communities in America did we or did we not I don't know these small little communities that were able to survive the entire apocalypse Wow, the nuns and now these kids or Darrell shows

[00:30:58] up and it's gonna get burnt to the ground probably. Okay, that was actually a really nice prayer Darrell. I'm impressed. I mean, I've never been Catholic. So Mark might know more or understand more about the St. Joseph prayer and some of the things you're talking about. But

[00:31:13] I'll go with it. Darrell slurping the soup after they just said our manners. Mirror our portrait. Oh, look at all of them are gonna serve this soup with him. They got more from work. Ben's gonna

[00:31:24] love this. Oh, not Darrell got the F word this week. This guy we don't know. I guess he's in some relationship with Isabel. Hey, well, I guess that's it for him. Just left in there and got the

[00:31:34] car. Why were they wearing the gas mask earlier just to hide that they were kids and now they're not wearing them at all. And now they're making fun of LaRon. Come on, kids. You'd be better.

[00:31:44] Oh, he found the mule. Oh, not good. Oh, Isabella's sister got bit. Is she so is she pregnant and about to have the baby is LaRon her baby? You think? Oh, what? She said the title of the episode

[00:31:58] Mike drop. And now they're going to sing the song. OK, so this guy's American. We don't know how he ended up in France when this whole thing started. But Darrell apparently has traveled quite a bit

[00:32:08] in the short time that he's been after the main show. I know I'm going long, but this is our half episode when Darrell's using the flail. I didn't realize he had it out still on him.

[00:32:17] Yeah. And this guy's done for. They're already chewing on his legs. Whoa. And he just jaws these mothers. He he shot the air, whatever that tank was, and it blew up. Hey, well, I guess in the end,

[00:32:27] LaRon felt they were his friends. He wanted to stay. But of course, he can't because they have to travel him across the country. Oh, they left the recorder there. And now face tattoo is found out.

[00:32:39] Of course, Lily turns fast because that's what the story needs. We need her to turn fast. All right. So LaRon is the baby on to next week. We're going to start our Walking Dead rewatch

[00:32:55] probably probably in October. That seems like a good month to start that. And I'd love to have guests come on with me and Lucy. You two are both invited. Thanks. And Steve, if you're hearing me,

[00:33:08] you should come on and we can interview you and ask you how you do your live. Steve's I'm curious how much up on the cutting room floor every time. Does he really record the entire show?

[00:33:20] I just have to know. Yeah. Yeah, we got to find out after all these years. Thanks, Steve. John Buckelew says, well, it didn't take long until a themed gang appeared. I think the masks in this case, since you're kids, you might want to come off more intimidating. So

[00:33:39] you wear the masks. It kind of makes sense, you know? Yeah. He says this time the Neverland Wolfpack, but surprise, they're the good guys and they're adorable. Dinner with Father Darryl

[00:33:50] was a hoot and movie night looks great fun. But I have some questions. How has the settlement of just kids survived? Did they know it was just one guy in the castle? If so, they could have easily

[00:34:02] taken him. He wasn't exactly formidable. And why not just move into the castle? Why wasn't the ugly American bit of a tired trope ready for Darryl? We saw him leave the basement. The scene wasn't

[00:34:13] very well written or shot. However, my favorite part of any zombie story is the outbreak. And this one had all the best bits confusion turning to horror, yelling behind you at the TV, inevitable

[00:34:24] panic, and people turning on each other. And that excellent party I'm pretty sure I was at. And also why I never wear my Rolex out anymore. He's had too many Isabels in his life. A bit

[00:34:37] silly at times, but I'm still aboard the Essex Dixon. On y va! Nice. Awesome. Daniel Dementius, I hope I'm pronouncing right, says, this was a solid episode. I enjoyed seeing how Isabel came to be at the Abbey. The American prick was obnoxious, and I'm glad he didn't last

[00:35:01] long. I was glad to see Darryl came, he stayed, he helped. And then he left the community without causing devastation. Good job, Darryl. That's because Rick wasn't there, that's why. Now hopefully the angry French guy whose name I don't recall doesn't somehow track Darryl.

[00:35:22] I have to say, I'm not crazy about the whole subplot of Darryl being tracked by him. It feels boring or something, but we'll see how it goes. You know, before you go on, I just thought of something. You know how

[00:35:39] I'm not a fan of the idea of the children being tracked by Darryl? I don't know if that's true. I don't know if that's true. I don't know if that's true. We'll see how it goes.

[00:35:47] You know, before you go on, I just thought of something. You know how they had that map that showed the path, but then Isabel said, let's go this other way. And so maybe Caudron won't

[00:36:01] know that and he'll just go straight to Paris. I'm sure they'll cross paths again, but maybe Caudron won't meet those kids because of that. Gosh, I hope so. You'd think that Darryl would have tricks because he's a tracker himself. He's really

[00:36:15] good at it. So he would probably know how to erase his tracks or... Like, for example, not leaving a map showing exactly where you're going? Yeah. With a tape recorder, like telling his whole backstory. Or like walking backwards in the forest. I don't know. In the snow.

[00:36:34] Okay. And then she goes on saying, It didn't take Darryl long to get his hands on a crossbow. Yes. I wonder how long it will take for him to find a running motorcycle. Oh, and the Mork and Mindy shout out was so fun. For sure.

[00:36:52] He passed up all those motorcycles that were in the castle. No, I didn't see that. Yeah. Andrea Maitland says, Hi, I've been listening to your show for a little while, and I absolutely love it.

[00:37:04] Join the Patreon. Sorry. I just wanted to say something about the Darryl Dixon show. I agree with everyone. The storyline is amazing. The cinematography is beautiful. Yes. And I've just fallen in love with Darryl all over again. I did want to comment on Darryl not being the same.

[00:37:22] While he has been softer, and I think that started with Judith, he has not told anyone any details about his family. Whenever he's asked anything about family, he just says there's no one. Also, Carol is joining him in season two.

[00:37:37] Melissa McBride has been seen filming with him in France. I am already in love with the show, and I can't wait to see where it goes. Thank you for your great podcast. I'm not sure. I mean, he's saying he wants to go home to his people.

[00:37:54] And he did tell, you know, Isabel that he watched that show with his brother, although I don't know if that's what you mean. I don't know if that's what you mean. Merle's family, but I think she's talking more about like, Carol and everybody, Judith and everybody.

[00:38:11] I'm not sure exactly what she's saying, though, that he that she thinks he would have mentioned it more about his family. I'm not sure. I'm not sure either. I kind of thought he was talking about Merle.

[00:38:24] You know, I mean, I don't think he talks much about him in the regular show because most many of them already knew who Merle was, at least at the beginning. But yeah, it is a man of few words, too. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:38:36] I mean, even in the show, he's a man of few words. They've given a lot of the dialogue to the other characters. So and they've really like given some depth to Isabel, who I almost, you know, is at least the co-star right now.

[00:38:48] So it's, you know, I don't know. But let us know. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. She's the co-star and and they picked a really good actress and an interesting character. And it's really working, which is good.

[00:39:02] You know, you could I'm already feeling like attached to her and wanting her the best for her, which is dangerous. She's a goner. Well, I is she, though? I don't know.

[00:39:13] I think that well, so so you guys were talking about that in the first two podcasts, like how long is she going to make it? And as long as I'm going to get her killed.

[00:39:20] But I don't I mean, I think there's a lot of directions that this can go. I mean, I you know, I do think that we're going to find out if Laurent is any more special than anybody else.

[00:39:34] And, you know, my prediction is on a whole different tack than I think everybody else is. So like, well, if Laurent gets eaten, then we'll be like, man, I guess he wasn't so special. Well, that's kind of that one. Oh, well, bye bye. Let's go to New York.

[00:39:51] So, OK, let's move on to Gloria Hernon. I'm Lucy and Jason. This is Gloria from the Witch City of Salem. That first time. This is for Daryl Dixon's show episode two. I enjoyed the opening of Paris France's backstory for the start of the fall.

[00:40:12] Isabel, you little minx, you she's a bloody criminal. And I'm sorry that your sister did not look pregnant at all. I've had four babies, not all at once, of course. But yes, everyone looks and has different experiences on pregnancy.

[00:40:29] But she didn't even look like she had a bad belly, let alone was pregnant when she when she woke up in the apartment. You know, we don't know if so much time had passed that would progress her pregnancy. But clearly it did.

[00:40:43] Um, the dinner, the prayer at dinner and work from Ork show was all fabulous. And yeah, Father Daryl, so funny. All those kids are in a really good position and I hope they're safe enough. I'd like to see them again in this season, somewhere down the line.

[00:41:01] That American guy, the lizard. Oh my God, what a stereotypical caricature of a Texas dude. He was so useless. And Laurent is going to learn so much from Darryl. Thank God that moat of Waukes. Wow, that was cool.

[00:41:18] I think scenery in general, besides Norman Reedus, of course, is the best thing about this show. That's all I got for this week. Talk to you again. Bye. That's great. Thanks, Gloria. Calling again sometime. Yeah, keep calling. Cool.

[00:41:34] I like how she says walkers, walk us because she's from Massachusetts. All right. Jody Langridge says, I couldn't believe how excited I was to see the start of the fall in Paris.

[00:41:45] I did not realize how much I love seeing that part of any apocalyptic story and was almost squealing with glee as I was watching it. That train sequence was just perfect. The show so far is making me laugh out loud with some great one liners.

[00:41:57] Feels like the humor has been increased in the series and I am there for it. I did roll my eyes that those kids could speak English so well. Why would they need to learn how in case they get an exchange student? I kind of agree.

[00:42:11] The teacher was just strict and made them keep up their studies for some reason. I knew Daryl was going to step up and kill Julian. I think that was his name, the kid in the moat, just like he stepped up to shoot Dale for Rick.

[00:42:27] So wait, did he offer to but then the girl said, no, I'll do it because it was the girl that ended up doing it, wasn't it? No, no, it was, uh, it was, uh, did it with the crossbow? Yeah. Oh, oh God. What should it was that much?

[00:42:42] All right. They were both shooting and she was hesitating and Daryl like, oh, I'm thinking that she went in and killed and killed the teacher at the end. That's where I'm getting confused. Oh yeah. Yeah. Sorry.

[00:42:54] Not sure if it was just me, but I'm sure the music in that scene sounded like it was pulled from the original walking dead just to tug at our heartstrings a bit more. Those kids should all be hauling our stuff to that fully stocked castle. Too sweet.

[00:43:07] That's true. Absolutely. Lastly, just wanted to say I'm so happy to have my favorite podcast team back to regular programming. Jason and Lucy, you guys crack me up, especially when you give each other shit. That's how my family and friends show how much we care about each other.

[00:43:22] Bigger the insult, the better. Thank you both. That's why those kids, I mean, yeah, thank you, Jody. That's really sweet. But Sam Lowe was saying earlier that those kids were bullying Laurent and it was like that.

[00:43:39] We said this on the podcast already, but they were just giving him shit as the newcomer, but quickly they all just became friends to the point where he didn't even want to leave. Yeah. He wanted to stay. I thought it was a great ending to that.

[00:43:53] It took that bullying piece away from it. It made it feel more like kids will be kids versus Laurent is this outcast, you know? Yeah. Which really fit that kind of thing that they were building with that group of kids,

[00:44:04] clearly trying to get away from some of the kids in The Walking Dead. The groups of kids. I'd just like to say that I agree also with Jody when she says that the kids speak English too well. That would be my nitpick about the show.

[00:44:23] In general, I feel like everybody speaks English too well. It's not really believable or realistic. Especially kids. At the same time, well, not just the kids, but every French person that we meet that speaks English. It feels to me like they're too good.

[00:44:43] Especially however many years after the apocalypse has started. Yeah. Let's keep up with that English. Exactly. Yeah. Good point. Also, Jody, you should come back to the US sometime from Australia. Yes. Okay. So, Chris Libo says, Bonjour, Lucie and Jason.

[00:45:06] Daryl should write a French-phrased book for traveling in post-apocalyptic France. If you find yourself in need of a mule from a castle because you stupidly let yours go instead of just turning around, excusez-moi, où est le château? J'ai besoin d'une nouvelle mule.

[00:45:25] Interesting and sad to see Isabelle- Wait, that just means excuse me, where's the castle? I need a new mule, right? Yeah. Or I have... What's besoin? Besoin... Well, j'ai besoin means I need. Okay. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of like a phrasal verb.

[00:45:44] And he goes on to say, interesting and sad to see Isabelle's backstory. They were playing one of my favorite New Order songs in the club where she was stealing from everyone.

[00:45:54] Now we know how she ended up at the nunnery and who the creepy little boy is to her. Aw. Poor kid. Yeah. Sylvie Renaud has also been there a while, but we don't know the how or why. Be careful, Sylvie. I am not sure you have plot armor.

[00:46:16] No way. Well, we'll see. Glad to see some kids living a much gentler version of Lord of the Flies, but it seems like they have had some bad experiences along the way. Maybe we will see more of them.

[00:46:31] They had a whistle they used to lure our arrows into a trap. So glad it wasn't Negan on the holiday with Lucille and friends. He does like kids. On a holiday with Lucille. Let's go see some country.

[00:46:54] And then he says, the ugly American hoarding supplies in the castle was a bit over the top. Why did he have to be an American from Texas? Aren't they crazy right wing selfish people in Europe?

[00:47:07] Oh well, beaucoup, you know, but don't want to take up too much bad words here. Merci and I look forward to the next podcast. Goodbye. Merci beaucoup. All right, here's another call from Anne when she decided she had more to say. Here we go. Hi, it's me again.

[00:47:26] More thoughts. I really love the leader of the orphans group. I thought she was really great. She had a bit of an Alanis Morissette vibe for me for some reason. I don't know. Super strong, a little bit vulnerable, but I think she's going to be an amazing leader.

[00:47:41] And I really loved the part where Darryl had admitted to her that he had lied about the medications and he just wanted a horse and she kind of just shrugged and accepted it. And I thought that's pretty amazing and pretty mature.

[00:47:52] She really understood what predicament he was in as well as sort of accepting his apology for it, which I thought was great. And Laurent being born to the bitten mum. Have we seen a baby born of a bitten mum before in the Walking Dead universe? I can't remember.

[00:48:11] I know Laurie wasn't bit. She just had to have Judith and then they had to double tap her just to make sure she didn't come back as a Zed. But do we know what that means? Does it mean, is that why Laurent is special?

[00:48:25] Anyway, those are my final thoughts. Bye. Bye. We don't know. We haven't seen that as far as I can remember. Nope. All right. Lara says, Salud Jason at Lucy. Sorry, I'm so bad at that. I give this episode 8.5 out of 10 Escargots.

[00:48:46] I liked a lot of things about it, primarily the fall of Paris, which is presumably ground zero for the zombie outbreak. Really enjoyed seeing Isabelle's background, who she was pre-ZA and how she came to her

[00:48:58] life at the Abbey as well as a very awkward Father Daryl saying grace and watching Work and Mindy with the community of orphans. It gave me Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome vibes. There's a movie I haven't heard in a while. Most exciting was Laurent's backstory with his mother Lily.

[00:49:14] And even though The Last of Us did it first, Walking Dead ups the ante by having an actual zombie birth a baby. My bads were Daryl and Isabelle sharing a bed. Isn't she a nun? And don't they believe him to be a priest?

[00:49:28] The show seems to really be pushing for a relationship. And while I love Isabelle, a huge upgrade from Leah, I don't find it necessary. Also, Kedrone finding the obvious clues to Daryl's whereabouts.

[00:49:40] If they had time to bury all the nuns at the Abbey, I can't believe that they didn't have time to take down the map and grab the tape recorder. Rookie move, Daryl. I also noticed some fun French Easter eggs throughout the episode. The mule was named Asterisk.

[00:49:55] Asterix, like the iconic French comic book about a Celtic barbarian. I read these comics in junior high French class. Daryl's soup slurping scene seemed like a nod to Beauty and the Beast, which also took place in the south of France.

[00:50:09] All the kids should have told him to be our guest, be our guest. When the kids are playing with Laurent, they say they are going to hunt. I can't say it. La bête du... Amelie, please. Thank you so much.

[00:50:25] This is from a famous French legend of a werewolf-like creature based on real life wolf attacks that occurred in the region of Gavodon during the 1700s. The French film, The Brotherhood of the Wolf, Les Pactes de l'Huile, oh God, is a really

[00:50:41] great action horror story based on this legend. You should definitely check it out. Those are my thoughts. Can't wait to hear yours. Till next week. Santé. Yeah. It was good. I'm not surprised Laura knew about the Celtic barbarian comic. I think she has family in France. All right.

[00:51:05] One more message. It's Jennifer McGinley who says, Confused.com. So much good, but so much mail. Nanu fucking Nanu at a memorial service. Fuck right off. We will speak French out of respect for Father Darryl.

[00:51:20] Father Darryl goes out for horse slash medicine and still 20 odd wee French kids speak English to each other. Darryl does he got a mule? French kids understand completely. Even me as an English speaking Scott struggles with this type of inane grammar and the kids totally understand Southern dialect.

[00:51:40] Guess Laurent isn't the only one who's a savant, eh? We've had some fast turners over the 5000 Walking Dead related episodes, but mon dieu, that pregnant woman turned at warp speed. I mean it happens. It's definitely happened like that.

[00:51:55] Like remember when Beta killed all the people in Alexandria and then just meditated for a few minutes until they rose up? Yeah, that American guy from Texas. He was played by Ned Dehaney. He is in everything in the UK and is brilliant in all he does.

[00:52:12] I said there was good along with the shit, right? Well, here it is. Adam Schwing Negatus Quinn. Oh, I have such a lady boner for him since watching the terror at a six part series on BBC a couple of years ago. Yeah, I remember that.

[00:52:27] I heard it was scary. It's actually the best limited series I've ever watched in my life, and I go back to it every now and again. Negatus should have had a shelf full of awards for his work in that. Incredible.

[00:52:39] Can imagine him saying, all right, I'll take the part, but write something in it for my pal Ned Dehaney. Negatus like Reedus is at his sexy best when he's ragged and manky looking, and I'm so

[00:52:51] looking forward to seeing him 12 years on when he's ran out of Tresemme and his suits all ripped. What was the other good things? Oh, fuck. I can't remember. Nevermind. I'm staying. Nanu Nanu. Jennifer wrote back pretty long message, but I'm going to go ahead and read the whole

[00:53:09] thing after I sent you guys the agenda. She says, I left a comment on the on the page after watching the show. Now I came back having listened to the podcast as ever. I feel different after being influenced by you guys and the listeners, the power of suggestion.

[00:53:24] And I've been really negative about the show and the two episodes we've had. I blame this on fear and on dead city, which I couldn't even bring myself to finish. And the finale is still waiting for me to endure when I next feel like self harming. Oh, man.

[00:53:40] And saying that in saying that some of the writing is shockingly dreadful example being I'm an American in an Irish accent when your legs are being chewed off. And hello, I once walked backwards for three months. Well, that was supposed to be bad. He's just a awkward kid.

[00:53:58] And I'm having trouble with everyone being so fluent in English. Yes, I could get with the adults because so many Europeans are English speakers. But why the fuck would kids be learning foreign languages? What purpose would it serve? Keep up the routine, I guess.

[00:54:12] It's good for your brain. Be able to understand you from getting Alzheimer's. You learn different languages. Carol had the right idea at her school with the self defense lessons. Never saw her wasting valuable education time on Oussaint les toilettes, toilette, s'il vous plait.

[00:54:27] I'm totally on board with Quinn being the baby daddy. Can't believe I never thought of it. Probably because of the hair color, even though me and the old man, both dark with green eyes and a relatively short and relatively short produced a six foot Scandinavian looking beauty

[00:54:40] of a son whose backstory is that his parents moved here from Norway after the family restaurant went bust. Oh, when he first told me this, I quipped, what did we sell? Charlie Norwegian food then laughed till the tears ran down my legs and he never had a

[00:54:56] Scooby what was going on and left the room shaking his head. Hilarious. I'm not quite sure I totally understand that, but it sounds quite interesting. Back to Walking Dead spin off. She says now that we know Isabel is Lauren's auntie, Laurent's auntie.

[00:55:14] I'm wondering why they never pretended that she was his real mom. I mean, if they're going to lie to him anyway. Yeah. In the first scene of the cold open, I thought that was Daryl standing alone looking over

[00:55:24] Paris and I thought just how big are they going to make his fucking hair go? Speaking of Daryl's hair, why is everyone okay with him starting? Zia with lovely honey colored hair then turning into a natural blackhead that bugs me so much. Stay focused, Jennifer.

[00:55:42] I mean, how did that happen? Because I went back and watched Daryl's first appearance and he has short light hair and now it's dark, but I don't think Norman Reedus has colored his hair in the part.

[00:55:56] Maybe it's dirty, maybe, or maybe it was short, it's lighter and dark when it's longer. Does that happen? I don't even know. He could be dying his hair. Yeah. Or maybe it's just Princess that helped him out and she had like extra dye.

[00:56:12] And we had a little salon moment. I don't know. Do purple. Let's see. I forgot where I was. Okay. She says, loved how Isa nicked Quinn's keys and prioritized her sister. Although I thought her sister was a random until later on and found her loyalty a bit confusing.

[00:56:31] However, the whole city and their granny would have been chomping at the door of the nunnery monastery, whatever that is during all the chaos. And there's no danger. It would have remained in the hands of a few nuns, a weedy priest who deals with walkers

[00:56:44] using a crucifix and a wee baby for 12 years. Probably good point. French Negan and French governor would have been all over a ranch like that, like flies round shite. And another thing, are we to believe that RJ Gaines from Texas was living in that palatial

[00:56:59] estate on his, uh, on his Todd stockpiling all sorts of goodies for years unchallenged. He must've been one tough dude to have managed that. Too tough to be taken out in a nano nanosecond by Darrell with mangled acid burned arm. Hmm. Enjoyed it though.

[00:57:14] And zombies boat was class. Thanks for all the love on the last feedback show, by the way, I sacked fear years ago and never watched dead city in time to participate. Although folks seem to be enjoying it.

[00:57:24] And I didn't want to be the one who kept shitting on it week after week. Best part of it was your podcast. Thank you so much for giving them to us. It's very much appreciated long may you run. Jennifer.

[00:57:35] I mean, she's got good points and we've taught Lucy and I talked about a lot of that too, but it hasn't been enough to ruin it for me at all. Same. It has occurred to me though, listening to the feedback that I think most everybody agrees

[00:57:50] the show is good. And I think it's like, it's like borderline. Some of these prestige shows that we've seen, including the last of us, if producers and directors would trust the audience a little more, if they would have gone full in on this

[00:58:03] and, you know, you mentioned fish out of water on the podcast earlier this week, imagining Darrell in a scenario where people are all speaking French with a little bit of English. I think the audience has proved time and time again that we're more than capable of being

[00:58:20] okay with closed captioning since most of us watch it with closed captioning anyways. I think this show could have even gone another step had they have maybe trust the audience a little more to make this a truly fish out of water experience for not only Darrell,

[00:58:35] but for us to see it kind of out of his eyes. Because it does feel like every time I go all in, there's always something that pulls me back out. I'm fine with the stereotypical American, but I do agree.

[00:58:49] Like I just kind of listening to you guys talking about how the French people are speaking English far too well. I really think they could have gone the other way and it would have been an even better show. I mean, that, yeah. Go ahead, Amelie.

[00:59:04] I was just going to say it's that they speak English really well, but they also speak English between each other when they don't need to. Like there's been a couple of times I love this show is just an epic, but when the kids

[00:59:21] were like speaking in English and they didn't have to like, they could just. I saw someone on a message board saying sometimes when they're with someone who's an English speaker, they will speak English and then that person goes away and they'll just keep

[00:59:36] speaking English because they already were. And then they'll catch themselves and be like, why are we still speaking English? But I don't know. I see where you're coming from, Jim. I guess counterpoint to that is if you were going to have a story where Darrell didn't

[00:59:51] understand anyone, then it would be a certain kind of story where he's just not, he's only connecting through body language and you'd have to have that barrier to overcome each time. And I, I would guess they wanted to tell a different kind of story where he's able to

[01:00:14] have a richer communication with these people, you know? And so they had to kind of cheat a little bit. And I think the reason why we're liking this show, despite all these nitpicks is because

[01:00:26] it has a strong emotional richness to it, you know, unlike fear, like that's what fear kind of lacks is they don't seem like real people that make any sense. And here, even though you can come up with just as many nitpicks maybe as in a fear episode,

[01:00:42] the people feel like strong characters and they, their relationships between each other are compelling, you know? And that's what I think is the big thing. Okay. We have one more call and it's from Randy. Randy. Randy. Bonjour Jason. Bonjour Lucy. Comment ca va? Bonjour. Où est les toilettes?

[01:01:05] Over there. I enjoyed this episode. I like Darryl as this knight who rides into town and vanquishes dragons. Funny thing is this episode made me think about Fear the Walking Dead a lot. Firstly, Darryl mentions he's been to Texas and he says there's nothing there.

[01:01:24] Is that because he happened to see all the nuclear fallout from fear? We also get to see the beginning of the outbreak in a very interesting and compelling way. I literally said wow out loud when they first showed us Paris,

[01:01:40] which is funny because most shows are set in the present but I don't react that way to every show I watch. And they also, unlike Fear, show a realistic portrayal of how a group of kids could survive on their own. They struck the right balance.

[01:01:55] Kids can do a bit of farming to survive if they're taught. They can't build an airplane or run an oil refinery though. Anyways, glad to have the two of you back covering some zombies. Au revoir and my zombie sound. Le re. Bravo. Awesome. Nice job.

[01:02:16] I'm glad people accepted that challenge. All right. That is our show. Thanks so much for listening everybody. Do stay tuned to the very end if you want to hear a little bit of spoilery talk.

[01:02:39] But for now, our next episode will be The Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon, season one, episode three. Paris sera toujours Paris, which I think means Perry, Sarah, Theodore and Perry. Right, Amelie? Just kidding. It means Paris will always be Paris.

[01:02:57] If you want to write in or leave us a voice message about it, you can find all our contact information at podcastica.com. And while you are there, please check out all of the other podcasts, of which there are many and they're all great.

[01:03:14] What would be one that you listen to that you would want to let people know about? Well, so the one that I'm diving into right now is Still Slaying, the Buffyverse podcast that just started.

[01:03:29] They're doing it in a really neat way for those of you that don't want to like jump into a seven season run of a 25 year old show that can get a little hokey at times.

[01:03:39] And they're picking really great episodes and I'll be guesting on it in a couple of weeks, which is pretty exciting. But I'm now catching up to the White Lotus. Welcome to the White Lotus that you're doing, Jason. Which is absolutely fantastic.

[01:03:59] And, you know, I mean, going into the backlogs, you know, we got Cobra Kai coming up pretty soon. That's a great podcast. And I mean, obviously I could go on and on, but... I hope Cobra Kai is coming up at some point. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:04:11] I mean, it's hard to tell. But I mean, there are so many that are just kind of floating around. And then Loki's coming up really soon too. And I think they just put one out. They're doing catch up episodes for season one. Yeah.

[01:04:26] So that'll be coming up in a couple of weeks with the new episode. So, yeah, I mean, there's something for every... If you can't find a show on Podcastica, then... You're a zombie. You probably don't like TV, in which case I can't disparage that.

[01:04:43] You're probably outside, like doing, you know... Living life to the fullest. Hiking and sailboarding or whatever. Amelie, what about you? I've been listening to the White Lotus podcast. And I'm dying to... I watched the first two episodes of season two.

[01:05:01] And then I was like, okay, I gotta stop. Like, I gotta follow the podcast. We just put one out today. I don't know if you saw for the first episode. I haven't listened to it yet. Yeah. Yeah. But I did see that.

[01:05:11] It just came out a couple hours ago. Good. I'm glad you're listening. Yeah. You should call, write or call in and let us know what you think. Yes, I should. Sorry, I haven't. I voted for it. I feel guilty. No, no, no. It's okay. I'm glad you're listening.

[01:05:25] It's really good. Good coverage. You guys are so funny and I love the dynamic with Randy and Jenny and you. It's good. Yeah, thanks. It's really fun. So all that's at podcastica.com if you guys want to listen.

[01:05:38] Also this episode's made possible seriously by Patreon supporters like Sharon Anderson who pledged their support at patreon.com slash Jason Kabaski. So thank you to Sharon. I really mean that. If it not for Patreon, I don't know if I would still be doing this.

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[01:06:08] I just want to add one thing to that because, you know, as you mentioned, I've been watching, listening for, you know, 13 years now and I didn't join Patreon until maybe six months ago. I did the $10 a month and it's really hard to explain the community.

[01:06:28] You can sort of catch wind of it just by listening to the podcast. I mean, you all sound, you know, I'm so honored to be here, you know, where Karen used to be and of course Lucy.

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[01:06:52] So it's money that you won't even think about just for the friendships that you gained that Jason created all those years ago. So I highly recommend Patreon if you can swing it. Thanks Jim. All right. D'accord. That's our show. Thanks for listening. Attention morsure, Chris Libo.

[01:07:17] All right, we're still here and that's because we're going to talk a little bit of spoilery stuff about actually The Last of Us and how it's similar to The Daryl Show. And so if you haven't seen The Last of Us, you should go watch it.

[01:07:33] If you like The Daryl Show, you'll like Last of Us because they have the exact same plot. No, it's not really why. I mean, it's like if you're into this stuff, The Walking Dead, then I think you're going to love The Last of Us.

[01:07:45] If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend you go watch it and listen to our podcast because we had a blast covering it. It's so good. So from here on out, if we're going to talk some spoilers, if you haven't seen The Last

[01:07:57] of Us or don't want to hear spoilers, then you should stop listening. So everyone's saying that the plot's the same and we've kind of openly talked about that both are about an older man protecting a child.

[01:08:13] But the part in this second episode that made it even more like, really? Was that in The Last of Us, Ellie, the girl, we see a flashback of her being born to a mother who's just been bitten. Is that how it worked or did she get bitten? Yes.

[01:08:34] While she was bitten and she knew she was bitten and made her way up to the top. Oh no, she got bit in that room, I think. She was bitten while she was in labor. I think that's right. Yeah, while in labor.

[01:08:45] She was sitting on the floor with the knife. Yeah, then she cut the umbilical cord. Right. And there was something about that that made it so that Ellie was immune, which is the thing that makes Ellie special.

[01:09:00] That's why she's like, there's a similarity with Laurent who they think is some kind of a chosen one or Messiah. Ellie was immune to zombie bites or to infected bites in The Last of Us and the whole plot

[01:09:14] is Joel taking her across country to this lab to, you know, so they can study her and try to find a cure from her. And so that's why people think it's the same. But I, for one, that part was not in the game.

[01:09:35] So The Last of Us is based on a game which came out like 10, 12 years ago or something. And the part about her being born to a woman who was bit during labor was not in the game.

[01:09:46] We don't know why she's immune in the game, but in the show they revealed it. And I'm pretty sure the Daryl stuff was all put together before The Last of Us ever came out. So I think it was an accident that this part seems so similar, you know?

[01:10:05] Same thing happened with 28 Days Later and The Walking Dead. Yeah. With Rick waking up in the hospital and actually the first episode I saw of The Walking Dead, I was like, this is a copy of 28 Days Later. I'm not watching this.

[01:10:19] And then it took me like, I think a couple of months. And then I was like, I kind of want to know what happened to this guy and went back and, you know, the rest is history.

[01:10:27] But yeah, because the comic, The Walking Dead comic came out like in 2003. And I'm not sure when 28 Days Later came out, but neither one of them. Yeah, it was an accident. It's weird that it happened two different ways with zombie things.

[01:10:42] Well, they started filming Daryl in October of 22. And I know that The Last of Us didn't even come on TV until I believe the beginning of 2023. So, you know, even those folks that think that maybe, I mean, the only way that the

[01:11:01] crossover would have happened is if there was a whole lot of shenanigans going on, which I just... No way. Yeah, they're like in the middle of making it. Oh, I just saw this great thing on HBO. We need to change everything to do exactly that same thing. No.

[01:11:13] Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, that's not to say that, you know, like all of us, you know, who've played the game and watched the series, I mean, obviously, and watched any real zombie movie. And then the tropes that we talked about earlier in the episode, I mean,

[01:11:29] you know, it's kind of that perfect storm of, you know, similarities, I think, you know, especially episode two of The Daryl Show, which, you know, I mean, you do have parallels. I mean, there's no doubt about it. Right.

[01:11:41] I mean, you've got Isabelle and you've got Tess. And, you know, I was thinking in my head, well, you know, Tess doesn't make it too far along in the game or the series.

[01:11:52] Then we're only in episode two of The Daryl Show. So who knows where this is going to go? But there are similarities, but I do feel like, you know, the bulk of this, you know, I mean,

[01:12:03] Ellie is such a main character of The Last of Us. And in this series, I mean, Laurent is really kind of played off like the annoying kid, you know, he's not built up yet to be as important

[01:12:15] as Ellie, even though he's the messiah. And like I said, I almost feel like Isabelle is the star of the show and Daryl sort of carrying along as well. I mean, Daryl's awesome. Don't get me wrong with

[01:12:25] that. But it just feels different. Like the heart of the show feels different because Ellie really felt like the heart of that show. So that's the difference for me. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if Laurent takes starts taking up more space emotionally,

[01:12:42] you know, a bigger part of it. But if you're going to be mad because yes, that the thing about Joel protecting Ellie was definitely a huge part of The Last of Us for many years before The Daryl Show

[01:12:55] was ever a thought. So you could be mad at The Daryl Show for copying that. But then you'd also have to be mad at The Mandalorian for copying it, you know, and the Obi-Wan Show. And, you know,

[01:13:07] even the The Walking Dead Telltale Game had that dynamic going on and that came out before The Last of Us. So you could be mad at The Last of Us for copying The Walking Dead in the first place.

[01:13:16] But it's just comes up over and over again, this idea of an older person, usually a man protecting this younger child, usually a girl, but sometimes it's a boy. So I don't know. I think the whole

[01:13:30] birth thing is just a coincidence. And now people are assuming that it's going to mean that Laurent is immune like Ellie, but I don't know if we can assume that. Yeah, if that happens, it's like,

[01:13:40] whoa. Yeah. So if you're still listening, I'm going to try not to spoil all of this while we're talking about the Daryl podcast because I don't want to ruin The Last of Us for people who may

[01:13:56] not have seen it. So I had to edit out any time you guys mentioned specifics for this episode. So I'd appreciate it if you wrote or called in that you just wouldn't mention that.

[01:14:07] If you do, I'll just edit it out. Yeah, unless I mean, the only other alternative is just to say, we'll have Last of Us spoilers on this podcast. You know, I really tried not to spoil people

[01:14:20] on stuff because I don't like being spoiled on things. What if they do it in French? Then I'm just kidding. All right. Thank you, guys. That was great. I really enjoyed having you on. Thank you everybody for listening. Thank you. Merci. Au revoir. Oui, poupou.

[01:14:43] I don't even know what that means.