550: "Tell It to the Frogs" (TWD S1E3 Rewatch)

[00:00:00] Daryl, slow up a bit. I need to talk to you. About what? About Merle. Harry's a... there's a problem in Atlanta. He dead? I'm not sure. Either he is or he ain't. No easy way to say this, so I'll just say it. Who are you? Rick Grimes.

[00:00:33] Rick Grimes? You got something you want to tell me? Your brother was a danger to us all. So I handcuffed him on a roof, hooked him to a piece of metal. He's still there. Hold on. Let me process this. You're saying you handcuffed my brother to a roof?

[00:00:50] And you left him there? Yeah. Hey!

[00:01:31] Hey, Zedheads. Welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason. And I'm Lucy. And this is The Cast of Us, episode 550. And this episode, we're covering The Walking Dead, season 1, episode 3, Tell it to the Frogs. Ribbit. Ribbit. So let's jump right in. What'd you think?

[00:01:48] Oh, great episode. I feel like it's a bit of a fan favourite. It's one of the first kind of big emotional beats of the show, I think, this episode.

[00:01:59] And it was very rewarding as a rewatch because introduction of some characters who we're going to get to know very well along the way. And coming to this episode pretty fresh off the Daryl Dixon show did not disappoint. It was a funny juxtaposition. First, yeah. So different, Daryl.

[00:02:18] First Daryl, first Carol. It's a big deal. Everyone remembers their first Daryl and their first Carol. Yeah. I mean, there's not much I don't remember here. And I think in part that's because sometimes when you start something new, you remember the earlier stuff more because it's new.

[00:02:40] So it kind of burns itself in your brain. And I kind of wonder if as we go along, there might be more that I don't remember. But we'll see. But I do see a lot of this episode in a new light. Definitely.

[00:02:52] I'm still sick. I can't shake this sickness. And I wonder if that impacted my feeling about it because I liked it. I loved seeing the our favorite characters again.

[00:03:02] It's well written, especially since I just did The Fear of the Walking Dead rant, which is like such a shit show. And but I found it kind of exhausting to watch. Like there's so many interpersonal conflicts and uncomfortableness. And that's what a drama is, though.

[00:03:21] So I'm like, that's what do you want? Like, I don't know. We'll talk it through. Well, I did something that I wasn't sure if I was going to do or not, but I was traveling a lot week before last and I was very nostalgic.

[00:03:35] So I was in Edinburgh and I had to get through to Glasgow and I thought, fuck it, I'm going to pick a bus. And it turned out it was the right thing to do because the trains all got canceled.

[00:03:43] But anyway, that's by the way, I'm going to pick a bus and I'm going to listen to Jason and Karen just like I used to when I was studying.

[00:03:49] And that was my routine. So I put on a couple of your really early Walking Dead cast because I was sort of interested. I was like, what did Jason think of the episodes back then? So stupidly, because I listened to one and two after we'd spoken about them.

[00:04:02] But I did listen to some of your coverage of episode three of Tales and Thrones. I have no memory of what I thought. You weren't as jazzed about it back then either.

[00:04:09] Oh, interesting. I'm going to go back and listen, but I don't want it to color my impression, you know. So I don't listen first, but I am curious to go back and listen after we're done recording.

[00:04:21] I think my favorite bit was that you and Karen called Darryl Norman throughout the whole thing. And I was like, how great would this have been if his name was just Norman? And your friend Jamie was on as well. Oh, really? Wow. OK.

[00:04:33] It was cute. It was a good episode. But yeah, I thought that was interesting that your instincts are still quite similar. Interesting. Yeah. I wonder about that. I feel like as we've gone along covering The Walking Dead, and there's been a lot of people who say,

[00:04:51] ah, the show's just not as good as it was in the early seasons. But I feel like I could be wrong, but that a lot of people would feel impatient about an episode like this later on,

[00:05:01] because it's an episode where we get to know a bunch of new people. Why do I care about these new people? You hear a lot. But I guess with the new show, you're expecting to meet new people, so it's OK.

[00:05:10] But also, there's not much action. There's almost zero. There's a lot of looming but as of yet unrealized conflict. So it's kind of a setup episode. There's a lot of interpersonal tensions, which not everyone likes.

[00:05:25] But I don't know. I guess that's kind of what The Walking Dead is. It's drama. But I don't know. I just think that if this kind of an episode happened in season 10, people wouldn't like it as much. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:05:36] You're right. I think it is a fan favorite looking back on it. It's really fun to see. I think it's the one where it hooked a lot of people in. I think our feedback will probably reflect that as well.

[00:05:46] But yeah, I think it was… Yeah, I'm excited to get into it. OK. What do you got first? Have you given any thought to Daryl Dixon? asked Dale. Well, Dale, have we ever. Yeah, Daryl. A lot. Daryl, man. Quite a different Daryl to what we've seen recently.

[00:06:08] You know, last three weeks ago he was in his suspenders in Paris, wearing a jacket and contemplating. Sank sante. Sank sante in a little monastery. That'd be so funny to go back in time and tell ourselves this and be like, shut up. Fuck you.

[00:06:25] Shut up. No, it's like I leaned over and I was like, he's going to go to France one day. The thing is, right. I remember this episode and like Daryl being quite bombastic. But like, yeah, Daryl's not wrong. Like they have done a shitty thing. That's the thing.

[00:06:40] It's his test. And I'm like, yeah. And they're all quite mean to and about him. Like there's this really funny moment where funny as in weird, where Shane and Rick are like buddy cops again. And they're pinning Daryl and Daryl's like, chokeholds are illegal.

[00:06:58] And Shane's like, you know, put a complaint in. Ha ha ha. And I think that joke hits a bit different now with some of the stuff that's come out about police brutality. But yeah, I was just like, oh, I don't like this.

[00:07:10] Daryl's being treated as such a low status character. I know it's uncomfortable to watch them pinning him down like that, knowing that's Daryl. Don't you do that to Daryl? Because they've clearly got him pegged as like white trash. And so did I, to be fair.

[00:07:24] And I kind of regret that now. I mean, looking at Carol and Daryl, how they turned out to be so different than you saw them here.

[00:07:33] It makes me feel like, yeah, I always say you shouldn't judge someone so quickly that you should be open to people surprising you. And this is just a huge reminder of that for me.

[00:07:43] And the thing is, I looked at them and I didn't think, lol, totally out of character, Daryl. I thought, how cool is it that Daryl and Carol had those arcs? Like this whole episode made me think like, I'm so excited to see these unfold.

[00:07:55] Because I think Daryl may did maybe have a little bit of Merle's racism in him. It's hard to tell the way he interacts with T-Dog. He could just be frustrated with T-Dog because T-Dog's the guy that dropped the key in the thing and left his brother.

[00:08:09] But he's sort of like, you? Why would you be the one to come with me? And oh great, you're the last person. So it feels like there is a tinge of racism in there, potentially.

[00:08:19] Daryl does a lot of what we call in Myland, we're unlearning as the seasons go on. Like unlearning bad beliefs and behaviors. And very quickly with that one, if there is any racism there, I don't think you see much of that anymore after this, if any.

[00:08:34] I think in the next episode he has his line to Glenn where Glenn's like, I'm Korean. And then I think Daryl calls him a Chinaman. Yeah. But then later when someone calls Glenn a Chinaman, he goes, he's Korean. So he's like sticking up for him. Unlearning. Yeah, exactly.

[00:08:49] But there's a line where Laurie's like, is that the plan Rick? You and Daryl Dixon? And I'm like, yeah. Watch it lady. They're going to go far. Like he's going to cut a guy's throat out while Daryl beats another guy to death. It's gonna be great.

[00:09:02] But in the moment, I don't blame her for saying that. She doesn't know. But it is so funny when you think about it against later seasons. It's like, yeah, that will be it. So, yeah, with Daryl, I didn't have…I don't know.

[00:09:18] I didn't have too much to say. I would say there is some things that, yeah, on the subject of kind of unlearning and things like that, I think they are…they intimate heavily that Daryl is racist.

[00:09:29] Glenn has that line about it being better coming from a white guy than from T-Dog or Glenn, that they've left Merle on the roof. I didn't enjoy the way that Rick and Shane were with him.

[00:09:40] I thought it was kind of interesting because I think the shift for Daryl really starts to happen as Shane's downfall occurs. Daryl's star kind of rises. So that was an interesting… Yeah, interesting juxtaposition. Lots of son of a bitch, that's my dear.

[00:09:57] And he's kicking a guy going, you puxy bastard. Slags off Glenn's hat, tells him to go back to the Angling Pond, which is just rude. To be honest, just rude. No, no. There's a couple… No. She told Dale, go back to Angling Pond. Yeah, Dale, sorry.

[00:10:15] What does that mean? That's a movie with…oh, let me look it up really quick. I thought it was an Angling Pond! I was like, go back to your Angling Pond. I was like, that's a very specific reference.

[00:10:27] It's a movie with Catherine Hepburn and Henry Fonda who had a hat like that. He was an older guy when he was in that. I love that even more. I love that even more. There were a couple of funny beats. Was it funny?

[00:10:45] I don't know if I find it as funny in retrospect, but when Shane says, you know, put a complaint in when he's chokeholding Daryl. And there's another moment where, I feel like Jon Bernthal does have some quite good comedic chops that he doesn't get to exercise that much.

[00:10:57] But there's a line where he's talking about going back for a douchebag like Merle Dixon. And Daryl says something like, you better pick your words carefully. And Shane's like, no, no, douchebag's what I meant. And then just continues talking.

[00:11:09] And it's weird to see someone talking to Daryl that way and not having any consequences. But Shane's that type of guy though. And he's clearly been leading the group up to this point. Yeah, he's still the leader right now.

[00:11:21] I would say like he's the one who breaks the news to Daryl first. Then Rick steps in. And that's because I think, you know, everyone thinks of Shane as the leader.

[00:11:29] But I want to mention you, you, the whole chokehold thing comes back later, like recently in the Daryl show when he chokes out his bad guy, Codrone. And Jodi Langridge wrote in and said, remember, chokeholds are illegal. I was thinking of Jodi. I was like, oh, yeah.

[00:11:51] I enjoyed, I'd forgotten that it was T-Dog, Glenn, Rick and Daryl that go back into town. And I enjoyed. So Daryl is clearly a lot rougher than he is in later seasons, but he's still skilled.

[00:12:07] Like he's the one who's like you all got to hit them in the brain. I was tracking this deer. He tracks Merle. He's clearly very capable. And I think Rick starts to see that a little bit. He's like, oh, this guy kind of knows what he's doing. Yeah.

[00:12:22] It was an interesting debate, I guess, about whether or not to go back for Merle. It probably would have gone differently in later seasons, I think. I don't know. It depends if Merle is one of the chosen family or not.

[00:12:34] But I don't think he would have been somehow. Yeah. I mean, Rick's sitting there saying he's going to die of exposure. That's not a good death for any animal, much less a human or something like that. And this is early compassionate Rick.

[00:12:48] But, you know, what Merle did to Rick, Rick has killed people for much less than that later on. So, yeah, I think it very well could have been different later on. Absolutely.

[00:13:01] The only other Daryl thing that I thought was maybe a bit more Merle than Daryl is when he called the female Zed an ugly skank. You are an ugly skank and shot her in the face. But, yeah, Daryl's here.

[00:13:16] He looks a bit different and he sounds a bit different. But it's nice to have him on the team. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Daryl is probably the thing in the episode that I look most on with a new light, a whole different perspective.

[00:13:30] And so I'll talk about my Daryl notes that I took. First off, you said Daryl was on the RV in the pilot episode, but I don't think that was Daryl. It was a guy with a crossbow. He had a gun. I went back and looked. Yeah.

[00:13:45] Like, OK, I'm going to go back and look for next week. And we're going to go back because if we're talking about a different guy, but it's in the pilot, there's a guy with a gun.

[00:13:52] He has he has sleeves and it's hard to say see who he is. And so then I looked up, you know, Daryl's first episode and everywhere it says tell it to the frogs on the wiki. And he's not in the cast list on IMDB or anything like that.

[00:14:06] I'm going to screen grab it and manipulate it so that it looks like Daryl. Then I'm going to be like, fake news. Well, unless you can show me otherwise, which I don't care. You know, I just want to know when it is. Oh, you do care.

[00:14:21] From what I can tell. No, I don't care. Like when you said that was it. I'm like, OK, let me reassess what I was thinking. But I wanted to go back and look because everyone, you know, I just want the truth. Despite what you think.

[00:14:34] I want to know what his first first his appearance. You don't believe me? I'm fake news. I'm fake news. I've been trolling you this whole time. You're just feeling like upset because you're wrong. I don't even like The Walking Dead.

[00:14:47] I don't I don't I don't need to be right. I just want to know what the truth is. But I think this is his first appearance. That's what that says. If you can show me otherwise, that's cool. Yeah, I'll bring my evidence next week. Yeah, bring your evidence.

[00:14:58] You want to make a bet on it? Yeah, no. Only if I'm going to win a beer. But anyway, so if that's true, that this is first appearance and that means the only the only character that's in the pilot and the finale of The Walking Dead is Rick.

[00:15:14] And he's barely in the finale separate from everything else that's going on. But he's in a trailer that is appended to the finale. Kind of. Yes, but Daryl and Carol are really the most consistently present characters throughout the series. I think we can all agree on that.

[00:15:28] And so now we get our first episode with them. Yes, I thought at the time what an a-hole like I think part of that is because I already knew his brother was a dick and and he just seems like a little mini version of Merle here.

[00:15:43] At least he did to me back then. Absolutely. He's he's but looking at it now. So first he's pissed that this Zed who's Greg Nicotero, by the way. Yes, eating this deer and starts kicking it and Dale says, calm down son. That's not helping.

[00:15:59] And yeah, what you like what you said. What do you know about an old man? Why don't you take that stupid hat and go back to Angolan pond? And I was like, what a jerk. I didn't like his gruff attitude.

[00:16:07] I thought I don't think we would like each other in person. But now I'm like, dude, he knows they're going to need food. He said he was tracking that deer for miles and now it's no good. Of course, he's pissed. Their lives are at stake.

[00:16:21] He was going to be sharing it with all of them. So Dale kind of comes off a bit clueless. Like just chill Dale, let him be upset. And he's a little arrogant like he can be the one to tell him how to act, you know?

[00:16:33] And then he says he has some squirrel about a dozen or so. And I think that's important. Like I think at the time it seemed almost derogatory or maybe that's just an incorrect assumption on my part. But I was with Lori like with the frogs, you know, squirrel.

[00:16:51] But people need to eat to survive. And no one in this group is really acclimated to the apocalypse. Glenn's barreling into camp with his sirens blaring. Lori's grimacing about the thought of eating something she's not used to, even though people do eat frog legs.

[00:17:06] Rick is maybe a little too soft hearted. I don't know. That's debatable. But Darryl, he's already geared for survival. He knows how to hunt. He figures out how to kill a zombie and make it stay dead really fast.

[00:17:17] He's the first one to articulate, you know, you got to get him in the brain. Don't you know nothing? And he's looking at those men had done quite a shit job of killing Nikitaru. Like, yeah, they're just batting at it.

[00:17:28] I mean, you'd think a few weeks in when most of the civilization has fallen, they've been through enough to know. But he's looking at Darryl's looking at everyone like you guys need to get your act together. And now I don't I don't blame them.

[00:17:42] I don't blame him for being like that. And I do think that a lot of Walking Dead viewers were keyed into all this that I'm talking about and appreciated it way before I did. I think they saw that Darryl knew what was up.

[00:17:55] And I think to be the last one standing like they call death referred to Darryl. You need survival skills. You also need people skills. He had survival skills from the start. He had to develop the people skills, you know, exactly. I have that down yet.

[00:18:09] I cracked up when he threw the squirrels at Rick. There's just six squirrels. I was like, that's amazing. He must love you. Like, see those fish people. But it did make me laugh. Just the visual of them flying through the air. I was like, he's angry.

[00:18:26] It's funny that his first encounter with Rick. Well, I guess it was throwing the squirrels at him.

[00:18:30] But after that, you know, this guy who he'd come to think of as his brother is Rick handcuffing him and telling him he are not telling him that he had kept his brother roof in Atlanta and left him there. Who the fuck are you? Rick Grimes, etc.

[00:18:45] So yeah, he pulled out his knife and took a swing at him. So I don't blame Shane for subduing him, actually. And they let him go pretty quickly. Like Rick got down there and hey, let's talk about this.

[00:18:59] And Rick did what Andrea said told Darrell the truth, which I think I actually think Andrea comes off really good in this episode. Unlike other episodes. But when Amy said we could lie to Darrell, they're trying to figure out what to tell him or tell the truth.

[00:19:15] She says Merle was out of control. Something had to be done or he'd have gotten us killed. Your husband did what was necessary. And if Merle got left behind, it's nobody's fault but Merle's.

[00:19:24] I did laugh at that when I was like, Andrea, you Jackie and T-Dog did run away. But no, you're right. She's very reasonable. Like, yeah, yeah. And that's what he does.

[00:19:36] He gets down on his knee and says to Rick to Darrell, what I did was not on a whim. Your brother does not work and play well with others. Which is so funny.

[00:19:44] You could tell that it was a script he'd given before to people he'd arrested or whatever, but like playing well with others and things.

[00:19:51] And I do like the way the episode emphasizes the closeness between Rick and Shane by showing them working well together as an old team of cops. Yeah. Yeah. I just it was so strange seeing them taking that out on Darrell. I found that really odd.

[00:20:08] I found it uncomfortable to watch. It wasn't the most uncomfortable thing in the episode, but it was uncomfortable to watch. And I'm going to do can I do my fresh point? I'm going to talk about the most uncomfortable thing in the episode, which is gender relations. Oh, yeah.

[00:20:24] So in a time where most of us are kind of working to free ourselves from this idea that we need to conform to gender roles. And this has been going on for a long time.

[00:20:34] Now, you know, there's a lot more emphasis on not even or just deciding what gender you want to be or what you feel like. But even before that was so big in the culture, there was still like women's lib and, you know, there were movements.

[00:20:55] But also there were a lot of people who still found comfort conforming to gender roles or just didn't think that they had a choice or whatever. And there still are people like that. But still, it's so much more.

[00:21:09] We're so much more aware of that, especially people that you and I hang out with. And so here there's so many stereotypes. It feels like a throwback this episode. Yeah. We see women cutting hair, washing clothes, seeming to have little or no say in how things go.

[00:21:29] Being ordered around, being physically abused, also being squeamish, you know, about the frogs and Amy's grossed out by the Zed. And with men, we see Jim setting up this tin can alarm system, which I didn't realize we'd seen that so early.

[00:21:45] Darryl's hunting and Shane is in Carl catching frogs or trying to for food. Jim and Dale cleaning his gun. He's gone. Jim and Dale stripping cars and checking on the generator. Shane went off to get water. Darryl and other guys killing Zed.

[00:22:03] So kind of being protectors and Rick, Darryl and T-Dog and Glenn going on a rescue mission. And that just really stands out now that all the men are doing that.

[00:22:12] And I think a lot of that is really unjust, especially the part women having no say and being abused. But I also think that it feels like something that could happen.

[00:22:23] I mean, it's weird because Andrea is saying she misses her Mercedes Benz and her NavSat, which I think is she's saying GP like GPS. And so it feels like what's happening now is a regression for her and for Jackie, for for for like Amy, maybe.

[00:22:40] And Carol, it just seems normal. Carol says, well, this is just the way it is. But it's interesting. I think the writers having that dialogue in there like Jackie saying, why are we doing? Why are we stuck with this job?

[00:22:53] You know, I think that means that they're not just the writers aren't saying this is the way it should be. They're just exploring gender relations the same way they explored race relations last week. And it was uncomfortable then and it's uncomfortable now.

[00:23:09] But looking at how things go forward in the show where I think Andrea is a big voice in season two about, hey, why? I don't want to keep doing shit like this. I want to learn how to use a gun.

[00:23:18] And then later with Michonne and Maggie becoming leaders and Rosita just being a total fucking badass and Carol fucking Carol.

[00:23:27] I think I think you could look at this as, like you said, the start of an arc and it's uncomfortable to see where it is now and feels very unjust. But knowing how things go, the rest of the series, it's like.

[00:23:44] I think it's kind of cool that they went from this to that, I guess. I don't know. What do you think about what I'm saying? No, I agree with that. I think. Yeah, I think that's a really good way of looking at it.

[00:23:55] It's commented on in the comics as well. I think the women are aware that this is dumb. They're like, what? Why are we doing this? And there's a lot of very toxic male influence. Well, there's not a lot. Shane's toxic, I would say.

[00:24:08] Shane, this is the turning point. Even Daryl. Yeah, this episode is a little bit of a turning point for Shane, I think. Fucking Ed. And Ed, man. Oh, I couldn't deal. I wanted to beat the shit out of Ed.

[00:24:23] I could not deal with that smack to the face he gave Carol. I was just like, oh. I felt so angry. Oh, I was so upset and she's so pathetic. She's like weeping saying, I'm sorry, Ed. I'm sorry. And I'm just like, I'm like, no, Carol, no.

[00:24:35] But that's good writing as much as, it's easier to look at it too as good writing, seeing where Carol goes. And I think after Ed dies and she fucking hacks his corpse, I think that's the beginning of a journey for her where she's becomes self-possessed

[00:24:52] and in her own power. But she's the opposite of that now. And that's what happens to a lot of abused people and codependent relationships. And I find that first scene where Rick comes out of the tent and Carol's just like meekly ironing.

[00:25:05] And she's like, you know, it's not as good as my ironing washing machine at home. And Rick's like, thank you, ma'am. And I'm like, oh my God, Rick, the shit that woman will do for you.

[00:25:12] And the shit you will do for her and the stuff you will see and go through. I am excited for this journey for both of you because it's just so, I don't know, that almost the Rick and Carol interaction.

[00:25:25] It made me think immediately of the episode in season four where they go out of the prison where he's figured out what she did to David and Karen. He exiles her, but then she comes, you know, oh my God, I can't wait.

[00:25:39] But it just made me think of that and how the power dynamic there is so different to this dynamic of like, oh, you know, I'll just iron your shirt for you, officer. And I'm like, yeah. And it's interesting too to see her being so meek and domesticated.

[00:25:54] And then you see her later using that as kind of a cover. So people underestimate her. I mean, it's also like I think in the Commonwealth, doesn't she open a bakery? So she knows how to do it. She really do that stuff.

[00:26:06] But it's also just a way to sort of not let people know what she's really capable of. So she can have the upper hand.

[00:26:12] And seeing her hair so short after that story, Henry tells later about why his mom had her hair cut short and why she grew it long. I'm like, because he, her husband would pull her by the hair and yeah, she didn't feel safe.

[00:26:27] But I mean, that thing about having this behavior as a cover right now, it's a survival mechanism and it's learned helplessness. She doesn't realize that because later she gets kind of, it's interesting. Her personality is kind of quirky and goofy.

[00:26:43] You know, she jokes around and you see zero of that right now. But it's like that with people.

[00:26:50] A lot of times you don't get to know what they're really like until you spend some time around them or in this case, like she laughs and Ed comes right over and puts a stop to it.

[00:27:01] You know, he's just squashing anything real that she has any spark that she has inside. And when Shane started beating the fuck out of him, I was like, go for it.

[00:27:12] I was like, I know you're actually addressing other anger issues that are unhealthy, but I'm fine with this. Kick the shit out of him. You can also see Andrea getting a bit like, oh, hello. I was like, mental note. I was like, mental note.

[00:27:26] Andrea does try and hit on Shane quite a lot in season two. So yeah, she does. She succeeds in the famous Hyundai. Yeah, no, I thought it was on my list as well. The women at the quarry and Carol fucking Paulette, just that whole seeing her like that.

[00:27:45] I just was like, Peter asked me if I thought Carol had the best arc on the show. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, honestly. Yeah, because it's all about her. And I like that she becomes a character where we can still critique her. She's not a wonder woman.

[00:27:59] Like she does terrible things. She does things that are really questionable and reckless and stupid. But Melissa McBride is just such a. Oh, she's so good.

[00:28:09] But I like when you look at these people and you're like, I love the character, but I don't know if I would want to be close to them with Carol. I would I would want to try. I would want to be her friend, I think.

[00:28:20] Yeah, I would want to be her kid. No, I wouldn't want to be her kid. I feel like I'd have a big target on my back at that point. And that's another thing I was thinking, like seeing these early characters.

[00:28:30] I'm like, Carol, you're going to go through so much. And then I'm like, yeah, just you can't help but think of a list of kids names, you know, Henry, Lizzie. Also, like seeing Madison Lentz as Sophia.

[00:28:43] She looks so much like her brother when she's younger because like now she looks sort of less like him. But yeah, for listeners who don't know all of the Lentz siblings play a kid of Carol's. So Madison Lentz plays Sophia.

[00:28:58] Young Henry in later seasons is played by the middle Lentz kid and then the youngest Lentz kid, Matt Lentz, plays grown up Henry. And I just love that. I love that all of the family were parented by Melissa McBride to varying levels of success.

[00:29:14] But you really saw the resemblance in this episode. Pretty much the same level of success, I would say. Yeah, same levels of success, same outcome, really. But obviously they didn't know that at the time. They didn't know the show was going to run.

[00:29:25] They didn't know all of that, but it was kind of a cool echo of the future that saw that family resemblance. Must have been fun for them as siblings to be involved. Do you think she goes over for Thanksgiving and stuff? I don't know.

[00:29:37] They cry every time they see her. Yeah, they're like, please don't let her come over. All right. Let's do another one. You go. Reunions happen right at the start of the episode, but very touching. Straight out of the comic. Chandler Riggs shouting, Dad!

[00:29:56] And Laurie's like, what the fuck? I think this is some of his best acting, to be honest. It is. It really is. He's so flippin' cute in this episode. And just the emotions of it. I guess.

[00:30:11] So the title of the episode is Tell it to the Frogs, which is what Laurie says to Shane when she's angry at him because Shane has told her that Rick has died. It's funny, in the episode I listened to, Karen actually stuck up for Shane and was like,

[00:30:27] well, he had every reason to think that Rick died. And I think she's right. I think there is an argument that Shane actually did the kind thing there. But I have reservations with the fact that he then jumped into bed with Laurie. He should have told…well, yeah.

[00:30:43] I mean, he didn't tell her the truth. No, he didn't do an angry tell her the truth. He left him for dead, but he's not dead. We don't know for sure. It's interesting watching all their reactions because I think Laurie is happy to see Rick.

[00:30:57] Like, I don't think she's faking that. I think once they kind of reconnect in the tent, I think she's actually genuinely pleased he's there. It's all over Sarah Wayne Kelly's face, or Laurie's face that, oh shit, I fucked Shane all this time and my husband's alive.

[00:31:15] That's what she's thinking. Even in the tent when they're together, she's thinking that. Yeah, and they get that closeness back and they kind of… It feels almost like she's going to tell him in the tent what has happened. She should have.

[00:31:29] Yeah, it's one of the things that I admired the show for doing was that in season two, the revelation isn't like Rick's kind of guest already or something. It's not the big thing that you think it's going to be. It's more he's like, yeah, okay, cool.

[00:31:46] We'll deal with that. But I just think they're…so they're recommitting there because they were having problems before. And now they're like, you know, I'm really sorry that we were like that. And I think maybe we can have a second chance like that.

[00:31:57] You could see that happening when you're having problems in your marriage. And then some big tragedy happens like this biggest tragedy ever fucking end of the world that you are like, oh, no, no, no, I do love you. So that's kind of the mode that they're in.

[00:32:10] And she's like, do you feel that way too? Do you want your ring back? Of course I do.

[00:32:14] So I just feel like in that moment, the thing to do would have been like, I want you to know that I was with Shane because I thought you were dead. And that would have made it so much better between them.

[00:32:23] But then it would be less dramatic, you know? Exactly. Like, oh, that's cool. Like, yeah, right. I think Rick would have been understanding about it because that's how he is. Yeah, exactly.

[00:32:33] Um, I find Shane's reaction to it interesting because he looks genuinely happy to see his friend, but then he fucking hates what he's lost. And there's that amazing cut where he's on the RV and there is the storm is coming.

[00:32:49] A fun literary technique called pathetic fallacy where the weather mirrors the mood of the scene. And he's sitting on the roof looking at the tent, knowing what's probably happening there.

[00:32:59] And you start to see the slip in Shane's mind into that darkness because the episode starts with them sitting around a campfire. Shane's cleaning his gun and talking about who he's really stepping into Rick's shoes big time here.

[00:33:14] We're talking about how he and Carl are going to be the heroes picking up all the frogs. He's loving it too. Big smiles. He is loving it. And so is Laurie. Yeah, he does a very good impression of Laurie, which wins her over.

[00:33:28] And then it just gets ruined by the siren coming and Rick arriving. The look on his face, I think when he first sees Rick is it's not just like he's thinking about because he's yeah, he's just like, I've got this family now. This is so good.

[00:33:43] And as soon as he sees Rick, I think it's very much at the front of his mind that, oh, this ruins everything. But also he loves his friend.

[00:33:52] And like we've mentioned before, if you watched White Lotus season two, it feels somewhat similar to Cameron and Ethan, like where you feel maybe they're actually buddies on some level.

[00:34:02] But there's also egos and power play, at least on Shane's side, wanting to dominate and not be in Rick's shadow or whatever. Absolutely. And this makes me pretty certain they weren't having an affair before because Laurie's so horrified.

[00:34:18] Yeah, this is the one episode where I'm like, nah, I don't think they were. Which varies, I think a bit from the comic where it's not established they were having an affair before, but it's established that Laurie doesn't know Rick is dead, doesn't think Rick is dead.

[00:34:30] And it's just like, yeah, let's do this. Feels more naughty in the comic. Absolutely. And I think Shane, Jon Bernthal plays this episode very well.

[00:34:44] I think we see our first dark Shane is when he's beating the shit out of Ed after that night looking down at the tent.

[00:34:50] And then when he stands back and sort of like kind of horrified at what he did, he does that patented rub your hand Bernthal, rub your hand over your head thing. Bernthal head rub. First Bernthal head rub. Drink! Bernthal head rub. Drink!

[00:35:07] I did feel bad for him when he was like playing with Carl and Laurie comes and it's like, it doesn't matter what Shane says. It matters what I say. I was like, oh, that's cool. Yeah. Well, at first I forgot why she was like that.

[00:35:17] I'm like, she's nuts. Like she wanted she liked that he was going to teach her to catch frogs. And now she's all upset just because Rick's back. What's the deal? And then you find out, oh, she knows. Shane told her that Rick was dead.

[00:35:28] So then it makes more sense. And then right the campfire. I just love Chandler Riggs' delivery of this is when Rick's like disoriented comes closest, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then Chandler Riggs is just like, mom said you died.

[00:35:44] And Laurie's like, and Shane's like, and Rick's like, she had every reason to think that. I'm like, did she though? I think she did. She did. But yeah, it's just the way Chandler Riggs says that. So, yeah, lovely.

[00:35:58] And I love that all the people at the campsite are delighted that this has happened and kind of very, very cheesy, but emotional and wonderful moment of reunion there.

[00:36:08] Yeah. And seeing how those dynamics shift is, I think, one of the things that makes this episode as engaging as it is. Just there's a few scenes that really stand out.

[00:36:18] The whole thing with Greg Nicotero eating a deer, which I think we talked about on the podcast the first time. And of course, just Rick.

[00:36:27] Well, when they step, Rick steps out of the van and sees Shane and then sees Carl and Laurie and they have this great beat where they don't just immediately run to each other and you just feel the emotion well up between all of them.

[00:36:43] And it does in me too. Like, is this real? And then Carl just goes, dad. And they're hugging and Rick's crying. And then Laurie and then that, yeah, where all three of them hug, like you said, it's right out of the comic. That's just so great. So impactful.

[00:37:00] And I'll never forget that. You know, that's one of the iconic scenes in this whole series. So I got to love this episode just for that, at least. I also love that.

[00:37:08] I think Chandler Riggs had really good relationships with Sarah Wayne Cowleys and I just love that he's like he grows up on screen. And who wouldn't?

[00:37:18] I mean, I don't know if I've, you know, I've talked about my personal experiences with some of these people and I don't know if I mentioned Andrew Lincoln yet, but he's just such a gentleman and he's open hearted and he's very respectful and he pays like I, you know, I've interviewed him and I've also done a couple few panels with him.

[00:37:37] He's very, he listens and he's just really tries to get into. If you listen to any interviews we did, I would go back and listen to the couple of Andrew Lincoln ones. They're so good.

[00:37:49] And one time I was backstage and I had Nico there who was like, I don't know, seven years old or something. And I was just like, hey, this is my son. And he just kneeled down and started talking to Nico for a few minutes.

[00:37:59] You know, like so nice. And Sarah is super sweet too. Once you get to know her, she can be a little bit aloof until you get through that. But I'm sure she and Chandler had a they had a beautiful relationship.

[00:38:11] I know that I always felt like she was quite protective of him in a nice way. Like, because they must have done so many scenes together. And Sarah Wayne Callies is super fucking smart as well.

[00:38:20] Like, she's very like, I don't know why she had a newsletter for a while that I subscribed to. And I don't know. She thinks very deeply about things. I find that quite interesting. Yeah, I just I loved seeing them too. And they're such a good looking family.

[00:38:33] Like the Grimes family are so good looking. Like those photos they have of them all together. I love fakie photos of families and shows where they've like clearly Photoshopped together. But these ones looked real. I think they must have done a photo shoot.

[00:38:46] But it's when they're like, look, it's me and so-and-so when we were young. And you're like, those are clearly two completely different photos. But these I'm like, I wonder if they had a day of like shooting those photos together.

[00:38:55] I remember I went to the Walking Dead Comic Con panel before The Walking Dead premiered. And so it was just people in the audience who knew the comic and looking to see who they cast and stuff. And Sarah Wayne Cowleys was there and John Bernthal.

[00:39:10] And I think Andrew Lincoln was there. I can't remember for sure, but they were talking about their characters. And Shane was John Bernthal. Just yeah, Shane's Rick's friend and people in the audience like, uh-huh. And like what? What? You know, you two, I know what you did.

[00:39:30] And they're like all kind of blushing. Oh, that's hilarious. I think Judith must be made by now. That's nice. I think so. Last we saw that. Doggy style. Although, you know, we're only apocalypse timeline ding ding. We're only one day ahead of that.

[00:39:48] So maybe it's more dubious than we thought. But yeah. I mean, when Rick in what season five or something? No, I think it was season seven or eight. I think it's eight says that he knows Shane's the father or whatever he said. I know she's not mine.

[00:40:05] I take that as gospel. I know you could argue it, but I just think that's I think that's why they had Rick say that to let us know. She's got the Bernthal ears. She's always rubbing her head. She gets real mad, then rubs her head.

[00:40:25] She should do that. They should coach. That'd be hilarious. Kaylee Fleming to do that. They should have had her do it at least once. Like this, like she comes in with her head shaved like I killed someone today. I killed Grace. It had to be done.

[00:40:41] I mean, you know my thoughts on Gracie. Man, that kid needs to toughen up. I think I've drifted from my kind of Shane point and my Lori and Rick point.

[00:40:53] Yeah, I just loved the whole messy dynamic of them being together and it being a mix of anger and love and jealousy. And yeah, it's just great. Very compelling television.

[00:41:11] Only thing I have left about that that we haven't talked about is when they're in the tent getting close and she he says, I knew you were alive. Well, why do you say that? You're being cocky or whatever. No, I knew because the photo album was gone.

[00:41:29] I just think that you could see that as a commentary on women or something. And maybe there is some of that there. But also back in 2010 cell phones like smartphones were not ubiquitous yet and our photo albums were precious.

[00:41:45] And I remember thinking if in a fire, what would I want to save? It would be my photos, you know? So, you know, there's that part of it too. Like it's kind of sweet. I should print out more photos than I do.

[00:41:58] I always think this was the cloud and it's kind of a nice call forward in a way because Carl wants to get a photo of Lori for Judith in season three in clear.

[00:42:10] And that's what his mission is, is to go and get that picture for Judith to see, which I don't think she ever does see. I think he gets left behind at the prison. But I like that. Yeah, yeah.

[00:42:20] There's a lot of that a few times in walking down, I think, where photos are kind of important. All right. Carol and Ed. So fucking Ed. Ed's played by Adam Miner Miner of itch, who was at least at one Walker Stalker, but I didn't interact with him.

[00:42:39] I'm hoping he's a good guy in real life, but he sure knows how to play an asshole. Oh, my God. He just walking around before he said anything. You just want to punch him. He just vibes. I'm a miserable person. Oh, awful. He's got such a dickhead face.

[00:42:53] I was thinking the same thing. I was like, oh, I hope he's nice. Also, he's so good at being an absolute dickhead in this role. Like, oh, he's not nice. He's an asshole. I'm just kidding. I'm just kept slapping everybody who got, you know, photograph tickets.

[00:43:14] No, I'm just kidding. Yeah. So I totally forgot. One thing I did forget is Ed making the fire too big and Shane getting mad. And then Ed orders Carol to put it out. And she nervously does.

[00:43:28] And I'm just like, dude, modern day Carol would fuck you up for that. Carol would throw you in the fire. I'll put it out with your face. Yeah, literally. And the whole thing about, you know, this ain't no comedy club and all that.

[00:43:44] That just reminded me if there's a Sheryl Crow song that starts with this. It ain't no country club neither. And I'm just like, oh, that's great. And Andrea does her second great thing here. She confronts Ed.

[00:43:56] I tell you what, you don't like how your laundry is done, you're welcome to pitch in and do it yourself. And I'm like, yeah, that's good. He's awful to her in response. Yeah. I don't even want to repeat what he says. Is that the C word?

[00:44:10] What he calls her? Yes. I think it's the other C word that means the same thing. Okay, I've never heard it before. It must be one that we do not have here. But yeah, terrible. You should start saying it and see if anyone else. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:44:25] Oh my God. So Jackie mentions they've seen bruises on Carol and just trying to pull her away and Ed smacks her. And Shane just starts beating the shit out of him. And yeah, I guess we already kind of talked about all that.

[00:44:42] I think he's got a hair trigger because of Lori dumping him. Yeah, we already talked about all that through. All right. What do you got next? What have I got next? Anything else? Just have a look. I've written just the search for moral isn't moral.

[00:44:59] Is it the right thing to do? But I think it's quite a bit. I mean, so the show goes to some really like dark places with morality and like what is right to do and what is wrong to do and so on and so forth.

[00:45:13] But it starts with quite a doozy because like this is a difficult one because Merle is a piece of shit. Like he is terrible. We know that in later seasons nobody would go back for him.

[00:45:22] And yet Rick does make a valid point that nobody deserves to die like that. Although Rick, I find this quite interesting because Lori's obviously pissed that Rick wants to go back. But Rick comes up with like three different reasons to go. He's like, it's Merle.

[00:45:36] Oh, wait, no, it's Morgan. Oh, wait, no, it's the guns. No, it's still Morgan. And I'm like, which one is it? Well, I think he's trying to bolster his case, not saying this is why, but there are more than one reason why to go back.

[00:45:49] So, you know what I mean? It's the guns. It's getting the walkie talkie so he can warn Morgan not to go into Atlanta, which is a big one. He can talk to his friend. Merle.

[00:46:02] Well, he says it's because he knows Morgan was going to follow him to Atlanta with his child and Atlanta is a shit show. This is where the timeline blows my mind because that was yesterday in the show. He said bye to Morgan like less than 24 hours ago.

[00:46:16] Whereas to me I'm like, huh? What? Morgan? Oh yeah, yeah, Morgan, that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I like it. I think I do. I don't blame Lori for being upset because they have a kid. That's where my mind goes.

[00:46:31] You're going to risk your life for this asshole. And what if you die and then your kid doesn't have a father anymore? You know, I guess I'll go back to Shane. I don't really understand how Merle got off the roof because the chain was still on the door.

[00:46:47] Did he rechain it? Like, sure. Maybe he's shimmied down a pipe or something. There is probably a million Department of Suspension of Disbeliefs about what he could have done other than cut his own hand off. But it's kind of cool. So I'll let it fly. I agree.

[00:47:04] It's worth it for Darryl's now. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's the Darryl is more. He's so pissed off this whole episode and he's more expressive than we see him later on. I think they changed his character.

[00:47:23] It doesn't feel like a natural evolution that you would start off as this guy who's just and then you change to be more smoldering. You know, I don't know. But this really colored my impression of Darryl the whole time that he just flies off the handle.

[00:47:39] But he kind of does sometimes. But it's in a different way. You know, he vocalizes more here. He's more emotive. This is his biggest until Rick and Glenn. Maybe this is his biggest loss and he gets it kind of out of the way early.

[00:47:56] So I wonder if it's like you have to get completely broken down to be built back up. So maybe from that, I don't know. I know what you mean, though. I'm not trying to. I'm not like, no, it's completely. It's a little bit of both.

[00:48:08] I think it's a bit of call me in a bit of Columbia. Yeah. But so Merle, I thought this opening was great. Oh, it's a beautiful thing. So he's just delirious and recounting this story where he punched out someone's teeth.

[00:48:23] And he's it's just like such a sad man, you know? And I guess he was in the military. He says, you heard me. Yes. Noncom bitch noncom. I looked it up as a noncommissioned officer. You ain't deaf. Take it up. Change command.

[00:48:39] So he's talking about the military and Atlanta stockade, which is like military jail. And and I'm like, why is he telling this? Maybe because it was a time he felt powerful and he's not feeling powerful right now. Or maybe I'm just thinking about it too much.

[00:48:53] But his life is clearly full of conflict and trouble. And then he realizes where he is. He'd be so delirious. He'd forgotten. And he's like, no, no, no. And then when he starts praying to Jesus and crying and the Zed start breaking through the door.

[00:49:09] Oh, Jesus, I didn't behave. I know I'm being punished. I deserve it. I've been bad. That gave me a feeling of sympathy, which I think is why this scene is there. So that when we see Rick struggling with whether to go back, we're not just like, what?

[00:49:25] No, we're like, oh, maybe. You know what I mean? You're like that. I mean, and like the burn on his head from the sun exposure. Like it's proper gross, like proper horrible. And then Rooker does such a good job at it, too. I think he's brilliant.

[00:49:42] You know how you joke here? Like they just let them improvise. I do think for that scene they might have just let him improvise. I'm like, yeah, just they're like just bramble. Make up a story. Yeah, no, it's great. Really. I did. I watched the episode twice.

[00:49:57] I think I skipped the scene on the second one because I just I'm like, oh, God, it's so horrible. His head is so upset. Yeah. And then I think it's kind of funny that when he's saying, show me the way, tell me what to do, Jesus.

[00:50:08] And then he sees the saw, which is like a sign. But then he's like, oh, wait, I got this idea on my own. Never mind. Super crass boy. I beg you. He gets an attitude about it. I'm like, fuck Merle. Come on.

[00:50:20] Oh, man, he is truly the worst. And then. Then going back for Merle, you know. Well, first off in the car on the way back from Atlanta, Morales can see Rick is upset and he goes best not to dwell on it. Nobody's going to be sad.

[00:50:36] He didn't come back, which is harsh. But Merle was going to rob them. Let's not forget that. Yeah. And threatened to shoot them. But then he's like, best not to dwell on it. Nobody's going to be sad. Oh, except for his brother.

[00:50:48] It's like, well, that's kind of an important detail. And that might be another factor in why they let him go back. Because if not for Daryl, maybe there would have even been a bigger pushback on it. Absolutely.

[00:50:59] No, I believe that it's much easier to put it to the back of your mind if there's nobody there to remind you. Oh, yeah. Another reason he gives to go back is to get Dale's tools. And I'm like, damn, Dale stingy with the tools.

[00:51:11] Dale's like keeping a tight tool library there. He's like, well, son, the last time I gave tools to somebody, they didn't come back. And I'm like, all right, holding a grudge there.

[00:51:21] And when I first watched this, I was such a big fan of the Walking Dead comic and they were fresher in my mind. So I was sort of looking through that filter of which characters I liked in the comic, one of which was Dale.

[00:51:33] But now I've kind of forgotten a lot about Dale in the comic. It's just more vague, vague. And so I didn't like Dale as much this episode. Although controversial opinion that I might backtrack on. I like Dale more than I liked Herschel.

[00:51:48] Herschel always felt like a cut price Dale. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, I think Jeffrey Duhem is a really interesting actor for one thing. But yeah, I wish Dale had stuck around longer. Yeah, because he does in the comics a bit, doesn't he? They're a little longer.

[00:52:03] He's basically Bob. You know, he's the one that gets his leg taken by the cannibals and that says you're eating tainted meat. Tainted meat. So then Rick volunteers Glenn to come with them, which is a running theme with Glenn. He just keeps getting volunteered for things.

[00:52:19] He doesn't really want to. But I liked that he did it because like I'd feel safer if you were there. I don't know if that was just him talking shit to get Glenn to come with him. No, I believe it. But I like that.

[00:52:28] I think he sees Glenn's potential a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. But still, it's like… Glenn looking at his car, vultures, vultures. Yeah. And then on the roof, they find Merle's hand.

[00:52:42] And I think this might be the most emotional scene we've ever seen with Daryl in his first episode, maybe. Yeah. It's all repression from here, folks. That's right. All right. What else? Anything else? I'm just looking through my notes.

[00:52:59] I'm doing handwritten notes for this rewatch, which is interesting for me because it makes it harder to search through. I like that Rick is introduced as Helicopter Boy. I know. Because he leaves as Helicopter Boy, so that makes sense.

[00:53:14] Carl saying that he's not worried because nothing's killed him yet is quite cute, if a bit disturbing. Everything with Carl is disturbing because Carl dies and that's wrong. Honestly, I think it might bum me out more than Glenn. Yeah, me too.

[00:53:33] I don't know, thinking about it because it's just so… I'm seeing how happy Rick was when they got reunited and I'm like, that's all he wants is this. I think it bums me out more than Glenn too, even though I like Glenn as a character a lot more.

[00:53:46] It's just the main character and his son. It feels like they're supposed to make it through. It felt like the heart of the show got ripped out of it at that point. And thankfully Judith was a great substitute. Yeah, she helps. But yeah.

[00:53:59] Glenn saying he got a cool car. I got a cool car. I really like that line. I think that is it for me. I have my usual IMDB dive, but aside from that, I'm out of points. Okay, let me go through a couple more. So some Glenn stuff.

[00:54:16] Glenn coming in whooping it up with the alarm is very stupid and it's kind of ridiculous that he wouldn't know that. That no one stopped him earlier?

[00:54:25] Well, that he wouldn't know because the whole plot of last week's episode was that the sound drew the zombies in and trapped them. Yeah. So I think that's kind of a flub there, honestly. And then walkers do show up in later seasons.

[00:54:40] They'd be coming up in numbers right away. But I think, you know, later then we see this walker, Greg Nicotero eating the deer and Dale says, oh, they don't usually come up here. And I'm like, well, there was the alarm blaring, you know, it's a massive alarm.

[00:54:53] And when he when he he's like, well, it's bouncing all around. So they won't be able to pinpoint the location. Yeah, but they'll be coming to this general area. And that's not good. And they're so close to the city. I always forget that in this.

[00:55:03] I'm like, oh, shit, they're actually not far. Like you can see the skyline, which feels now very unsafe, but then probably felt safe because you're near civilization or whatever. Yeah. So just this is all some Glenn stuff. So they're stripping the car. Glenn brought and he's all upset.

[00:55:21] And Dale just says they need he goes, you vultures. And Dale says they need the gas for the generator, which, by the way, are also noisy unless maybe I could put it in a plywood box or something.

[00:55:30] But anyway, I'm like, but why do they need all the other car parts? They don't really explain that. I guess they have a reason. They're running some kind of dodgy tool thing. I don't know what is going on. They're swindling. Something's happening here.

[00:55:43] It's breaking bad, but it's Jim and Dale. Right. There needs to be an investigation. Yeah, we have two cops here. And when Glenn drove up and Dale's like, that's a stolen car. That's kind of quite to think of cars as something you could steal when everybody's dead.

[00:55:59] They just take whatever car they can find. And then Rick says maybe we'll get to steal another car someday. Do they ever, though? I was trying to remember if that ever happens.

[00:56:12] I feel like Rick and Glenn do have adventures, but I don't know if they ever steal another car. Well, they're in cars, I think. And they're all just nobody bought those cars. They just took them. They're all technically stolen. Yeah. It's the same thing as with this car.

[00:56:27] The owner's dead. In the comic, by the way, it was revealed that Glenn used to steal cars, which I feel like is way out of character. Interesting. I'd forgotten that. All right. What about IMDb trivia stuff? IMDb trivia stuff. Well, first of all, apocalypse timeline where day plus 61.

[00:56:47] So Rick woke up two days ago. Nothing is happening in any of the other locations that we will visit later. And some of the timeline starts to fill in with like at this point in Woodbury or at this point in the Commonwealth.

[00:57:00] But we haven't had any of that yet. Rick woke up two days ago and Laurie and Laurie and you know, the day after he gets to the camp, Laurie's like, how'd you sleep? And he goes, oh, better than I have in a long time.

[00:57:09] And I'm like, you liar. You were just asleep for like two weeks. You're in a fucking coma, man. You were literally not dead, dude. Okay, so IMDb, Greg Nicotero plays that walker. This is the first appearance of Daryl and Carol. There are only two zombie kills.

[00:57:26] What did you say? Say that again. I don't know, I said something about zombie kills moving on. There are only two zombie kills in this episode. The second season of The Walking Dead was commissioned just before this episode aired, before it had been aired.

[00:57:41] So AMC was, I don't know, making good decisions at that point. A lot of the camp is filmed at Bellwood Quarry, Atlanta, which you may also recognize from Stranger Things. There are scenes from that are filmed there also.

[00:57:58] This is the last appearance of Merle before he reappears in season two's Chupacabra as a hallucination to Daryl. And then in season three's walk with me, when it was revealed he made it to Woodbury and has been living with the governor.

[00:58:14] Not as a couple, but just as a couple. Some small factlets there from IMDb which I thought were quite neat. Great. I pretty much just have notes left. Do it. Should I go through? Okay. I noticed T-Dog is still referring to the zombies as geeks.

[00:58:37] And that's one thing I totally didn't remember. They were calling them geeks actually more than walkers early on. Glenn calls them geeks as well. Rick says for a while I was trapped in some kind of coma dream, something I might not wake up from ever.

[00:58:52] And I'm like you might still be. You might. We still, you know. Still do that. Rick puts on his sheriff's outfit to go get Merle. I thought that was interesting he was wearing that early.

[00:59:06] That's just maybe, I'm trying to think why he feels like this is his going out to confront dangerous things outfit that makes him feel more capable. Maybe he wants to come off more authoritatively towards others too. I don't know. It's kind of silly.

[00:59:21] I was like gobsmacked he put it on over his t-shirt. I was like are you not boiling? At least he was not. But you know whatever I know for some men they don't like to sweat through their shirts so give them more washing to do. I don't know.

[00:59:34] Yeah interesting fashion choice. I don't know if we see it but Shane has some bullets he mentions for Rick's Python which is his iconic gun that he always shoots at a weird angle. He holds it up like this. Yeah the four four bullets. Four men, four bullets.

[00:59:51] I have a replica of that gun Jenny doesn't like that I have it. It makes her feel very uncomfortable because it looks real. I'm with Jenny on that one. But it's part of my Rick costume. Sure.

[01:00:03] And also if I ever want to freak anybody out in a grocery store. Yeah if you ever want to hold up your local coffee shop you can be like hey it's a gift, it's a gift. No a toy, a toy. Let's see.

[01:00:14] There's you know the whole thing about washing clothes in this episode and I'm like later they seem to decide not to do laundry at all because. They're all dirty. I mean I'm fine with that. I barely iron in fact I don't iron. I don't iron.

[01:00:30] I mean who takes a freaking ironing anyway. Yeah I don't iron. That's funny. In the Z age. Ironing in this economy no thank you. She does it when she's nervous. I forgot about all the I guess cicadas or whatever they are cicadas. Oh yeah.

[01:00:46] You hear a lot of insect sounds in the bathroom. No background early on. I associate that really strongly with being like abroad because you don't really get that in the UK because it's not warm enough.

[01:00:55] So I associate that with being on like warm holidays or in North America hearing that. I'm thinking about fear and how people always describe their own personalities and read their character cards I always say and they don't do that here.

[01:01:14] Thankfully they're talking like real normal people for the most part. There's a lot of subtext. The writers let the acting do the work. I just wanted to make note of that. It's clearly better which is a low bar but it's yeah. It's no agree with that.

[01:01:31] A couple other things Darryl honks the van horn a few times getting impatient wanting to get to Merle and I think later Darryl will never do that because it's sound would attract the walkers. He kicks it with his foot to set it off.

[01:01:42] I liked when Andrea said she missed her vibrator and then Carol I thought looked uncomfortable like maybe she was offended by that and then she goes me too. And that was a funny moment. I think that's our first glimpse of like real Carol.

[01:02:00] That little glimpse and the women are so cute with her like they're all laughing and stuff and even though it's gendered as fuck I really like that scene for the community that they have with all of them. It's very sweet.

[01:02:12] And then last a little bit of my personal experience with Norman Reedus when I did panels with him he always was very attentive to listen to what I was saying tried to answer figure out exactly what I was getting at an answer thoughtfully.

[01:02:28] He always nodded hello and he would see me in passing like behind and everything so he was he was a nice guy.

[01:02:34] He was more quiet, but he had a good vibe to him and he was a fun interview on the podcast too if people feel like going back and listen. I need to go back and listen to that one. Yeah.

[01:02:56] Obvious threat to untold numbers of citizens are people it kills get up and kill. Are they slow moving chief? Yeah, they're dead. This is a walking dead cast news update.

[01:03:28] So New York Comic Con happened recently. I think last month there was a walking dead panel somebody asked whether the events of the three Walking Dead spin-offs dead city Daryl Dixon and the ones who live would culminate in a single climactic story and whether that story would be told in a revival of the original Walking Dead or through a different sequel show or what and Gimple said that isn't specifically planned.

[01:03:54] It would be good though to see the dream would be that these shows somehow converge in some way narratively and then they said, you know, what about bringing the Walking Dead back to life for a season 12 and he said I'm not against it.

[01:04:07] So interesting and quite straight answers from a man who famously talks a lot of word salad.

[01:04:14] Yeah, I mean it sounds like I'm guessing he didn't want the series to end. Actually. I don't know that for sure. But I would love to see the show not just Peter out but have some kind of conclusion that wraps up all the storylines, you know, I would like that. No offense against Peter.

[01:04:33] We're all going to Peter.

[01:04:34] It's the best. All right, what else cast member money style who was in the resident on Fox recently has been announced for Daryl Dixon season two per deadline dial will play ash an engineer from Boston who moved to the family weekend house in Maine after the onset of the apocalypse ash lives by a strict schedule based mostly mostly around his daily flights in a russian-style hotel.

[01:05:02] And last from gamesradar.com. There's a spider-man horror film being made with Chandler Riggs as Peter Parker. You sent me that article. I think he'd be a good Peter Parker. He wanted he auditioned for spider-man homecoming that.

[01:05:38] Oh, yeah. So you want to love Tom Holland. I think Chandler Riggs looks like Peter Parker.

[01:05:45] He does. Yeah. So this is a fan film. Apparently, this guy Andy chins writing and directing. He's been documenting the whole process on tick tock. So I'll put a link in the show notes. You can see Chandler jumping around on a bed to look like spider-man.

[01:06:00] It's weird. It's a horror movie. I guess he did a horror esque take on Shrek called Fiona and he's done some other things that have got some attention. So I don't know if this will actually happen, but keep an eye on it.

[01:06:16] I want only good things for Chandler Riggs. Absolutely. Very much. He just you know, he deserved better and he's incredibly sweet. So yeah. Truth. Truth. All right, let's get into some Lister bones, groans and grunts.

[01:06:35] Brad Holt says this was the episode that hooked me on an emotional level. Rick reuniting with Carl always makes me lose it.

[01:06:42] Oh, Brad. For sure. I know. Don says hello. I loved your first episode of the walking dead rewatch. While I won't be actually watching each episode, I'll be listening to your show. I'm looking forward to more. Awesome.

[01:06:53] Yay. I know there's a few other people who've said that too. They don't because they've already watched it several times.

[01:07:00] Wendy Ann says I'm watching episode two and can't go over how different the zombies are sniffing the humans running using rocks. In many ways, they were scarier, but they look weird after all the past episodes of our current zombies. I'm with you, Wendy. I think they do look strange compared to what we're used to, but in a good way.

[01:07:17] Someone going by amazing gamer says, Hi, Jason, Lucy, I'm Brett and I'm a huge fan. I recently been listening to your rewatches of the original season and I was wondering, can you guys do a rating of your favorite characters of each season from every walking dead show? Thank you guys. All right, Lucy, go.

[01:07:34] Oh my God. I'd love to. Season one is Lance Hornsby. Season two is Lance Hornsby. In season three, it's Lance Hornsby.

[01:07:47] Well, I don't even know for sure what you mean by this rating of your favorite characters. Like you want us to tell you who our favorite, like just I guess, top five or something. We'll have to think about that.

[01:08:03] Season one, Jim. I love Jim. I'm like Jim. We will think about that and get back to you because that's actually quite a fun question to think about. Lance Hornsby.

[01:08:13] Sam Lowe says, Darryl, I legit forgot what his face looked like without the curtain bangs. He has ears too. Don't look at me. I'm a girl. Oh, shut the fuck up, Laurie. Nothing against the actress. The writing was rough for her character. Also forgot how weird it is to watch Shane eye fuck Laurie in front of Carl.

[01:08:35] Also Sam, like Laurie and Rick going out in the tent with Carl beside them made me a little uncomfortable. So I liked it. I thought it was awesome. No. Laurie's like, oh no, he sleeps through everything. Don't worry about it.

[01:08:51] It's okay. He won't wake up. He didn't last night. I mean, what? Right. Yeah. This tent's seen a lot.

[01:08:57] This tent's seen some stuff. I noticed they had a guidebook to Costa Rica in the tent where I was like, I mean, okay guys, you're not going to Costa Rica.

[01:09:07] Jennifer McGinley says, just look at him. Honey colored hair, squeaky high, strange voice like a Zed, like Zed out police Academy fucking sex on legs. Not watch this episode in a while, but stuck in my mind forever is the cringe scene with Shane talking to Carl about the frog stupid dialogue. Well, sketchy delivery. Eee, buttocks clenching just thinking about it.

[01:09:33] I'm with you. I thought Chandler was cute though when he does his little face. I liked the whole thing. I liked Shane getting into trying to be a father figure and everything, knowing his backstory. You're like, you fucking bastard. But it was cute in the moment.

[01:09:51] Gloria Lettary Hernand says, Oh my God, I forgot how much I hated Merle. What a misogynist racist prick. Kind of wish he died up on that rooftop. Yep, I know I'm going to hell. Whatever. All my friends will be there. Pride flag and two of my kids. LOL.

[01:10:07] She has three kids.

[01:10:09] One of them is okay, though. That reunion scene just about killed me so many tears. Then that gross Walker eating that deer. Gross. Hey, Darryl. Nice to see you, hon. Too bad you're so rude to Dale. At least he told them about the brain. What an episode. So glad we're doing this again. Grrrr zombie zombie zombie.

[01:10:30] Nice emoji.

[01:10:32] Des, Des, haven't heard from Des in a while. Descombe says every time I watch this one, I tear up at Chandler crying when Morales reunites with the family and then I lose it when he sees Rick. For the willing suspension of disbelief department, Carrie just asked me how is Carol ironing the laundry?

[01:10:48] Anyway, when the ladies are doing laundry and talking about personal pleasure devices in my head, I hear he how girl singing the gossip song. That's a callback. So there was a bit of a conversation about this. So I thought I'd read the whole thing. Daniel Dement just just answered. Des Carol's using a cast iron iron that you heat on a fire similar to the one Negan used on Dwight. That's such a funny way to talk about it.

[01:11:14] Oh, right. You know, the model that Negan used on Dwight. That's so funny. Oh, we didn't do our only in The Walking Dead moments, but I feel like this this comment is my only in The Walking Dead moment.

[01:11:27] Yeah, I like that. I forgot to do it too. I'll think of something. Des says, Danielle, that makes sense. Although are they that common? Where would she have found one? Would that have been a priority when fleeing your house or scavenging? And Danielle says along with all the other camping here, I guess, although I've never known anyone who irons while camping.

[01:11:46] I barely iron in my home. So, yeah, word, word. I, Des, you mentioned a thing that I really liked as well, which is that Laurie takes Carl away from all the reunions because it's too sad for him. And he's crying when Rick arrives because he's sad that his dad is dead. And I like that. I like that juxtaposition of him being so upset and then getting the ultimate dream come true moment. That's just lovely.

[01:12:12] Alma Contreras says, I like how this episode opens and ends on that rooftop. Even though Merle was not a good guy, I loved how he went through all the emotions as he sat handcuffed. One second he was imploring to Jesus and the next he was mad saying he wasn't going to beg. Rick reuniting with his fam gets me every time.

[01:12:27] Now, Shane was never one of my faves, but in this episode when he whoops Ed's ass was one of his heroic moments where I was like, yes, whoop his wife beating ass. LOL. Of course I knew it was more than that. He was also letting out his frustration over Laurie. This episode is one of my faves because it's so full and we get a better character peak into our group. Oh, and I can't forget to mention the intro of Daryl Dixon. Son of a bitch.

[01:12:53] Off the bay, Daryl is a larger than life character with some quick witted lines. Love him. I'm so glad you guys are doing this rewatch. I'm having fun listening. Oh, thanks Alma. I'm glad you're listening.

[01:13:04] Yeah. Shane also gets called a son of a bitch by Laurie. It's a popular one.

[01:13:11] Dina says the women, oh, the women, the portrayal of women in these first four episodes just makes me cringe. This isn't the fault of the writers. The apocalypse has just started. And so the women remain in our prevailing societal gender roles or even regress. I would say, uh, Jack. Well, that sounds like it's their fault, which I don't mean. But anyway, Jackie points this out with her brilliant reference to gone with the wind. Fortunately, this series doesn't. She mentioned Taddy McDaniel.

[01:13:37] Yeah. Fortunately, the series doesn't keep women in those roles for long. Still, there are two women in our core group that die. Thank the stars, planets and moon event or Andrea. She constipates me. But hey, at least she can fish. And then there's Laurie. I despise her.

[01:13:54] She says one thing and completely contradicts herself. Not a minute later than she blames everyone around her for her lack of convention conviction. When Darrell asks for directions to find Merle, Laurie says he'll do better than that. He'll show you pretty much telling Rick to take Darrell to the city. Then what does she do? Yells at Rick for leaving her to help a low life like Darrell. Huh? Argue. She's horrid. Good riddance. Olive oil. Thus ends my rant with much love to my favorite podcasters.

[01:14:22] Dina P.S. Here's the link to the parody of the real smut that I wrote. Dean is the one who wrote like fan fiction that was pornographic, I guess. She says, I can't bring myself to share the real thing if it's as hard as Laurie. I'd be mortified. So I don't know if this is something she wrote. It's a parody. I actually didn't check it out, but I'll put the link on the in the show notes and we can all check it out together.

[01:14:44] Amazing. Thank you to give us the real thing. But I do want to point out that I read your message before I watched the episode. So then when I watched Laurie say when she says when Darrell says he wants directions to find Merle and Laurie says he'll do better than that, he'll show you. She seems not happy at all about that. She's not giving her permission. She's he'll do better than that. The asshole. He'll show you like that's the kind of vibe she's giving out. So I think maybe the actress.

[01:15:14] Figured out that the dialogue was like that and tried to add something to it. Maybe I don't know.

[01:15:44] I suspect that Rick putting his job ahead of her has been a consistent issue. Carl always had such confidence in his dad right up to the end. He really idolized him. It's sweet. I never liked Laurie, but I do believe that she was faithful to Rick. She moved on really quickly. But considering the circumstances, I don't really hold it against her.

[01:16:00] I think Shane knew exactly what he was doing and manipulated the situation by telling Laurie that Rick was dead and sweeping in to fill that void. Laurie put an end to her relationship with Shane immediately upon learning Rick was alive. So I really don't think she ever cheated. If she really felt anything for Shane, she would have believed him and given him more understanding about the situation. I think it was purely sex for the sake of an escape for Laurie. Nothing more. It was much more Shane.

[01:16:26] The ending of this episode is epic. I love Norman Reedus' performance upon seeing Merle's hand on the ground. He really started out being much more outwardly emotional, like crying a little when he first hears that Merle was left behind. Darryl has an interesting evolution. He becomes harder in some ways but much softer in others. I guess he just becomes more genuine.

[01:16:46] He's quite nice, Daniel. I like that.

[01:16:48] Yeah, he's lashing out. It just feels like he thinks, I'm an outcast here, all these people are against me and he's just like, fuck you all. But over time when he starts to integrate then he's less…he's not like that at all, you know? He's still…he's more connected.

[01:17:08] Yeah, I'd love to have a psychologist read on Darryl. How he's grown up not knowing about emotional regulation and how that affects…sorry! Oh my god! I'm so bored with this.

[01:17:24] I'm so bored. I'm so bored. How his lack of emotional regulation affects the way he responds to things and how that changes. You're that psychologist? Because Merle's a pothead. Send it in. Yeah, if you're a psychologist write in. We want to know more.

[01:17:36] I know, I know there's a few listening. Carly Jackson says, hello Jason and Lucy. I'm so glad you're doing a rewatch of The Walking Dead because I missed your coverage the first time around. I love the first six seasons of The Walking Dead. I've rewatched them many times.

[01:17:51] In your last episode you were talking about Andrea and I remember a few things about her that I can really relate to.

[01:17:57] There's one episode in season one where she pushes back against the gender roles adopted into the group. She decides she doesn't want to do the cooking and the laundry with the women. I think this is in season two.

[01:18:08] She would prefer to sit up on top of the RV with a gun and protect the group. I can understand that. You could bet if the zombie apocalypse comes, the survivor chores will not be divided by gender in my community.

[01:18:21] And the other women are unforgivable because they criticize Andrea for opting out of the chores. I remember that. I'm like, what? Meanwhile, she and Amy catch a bunch of fish around that same time.

[01:18:30] I really feel for Andrea in the show. She never, I think she has the time being weird because I'm pretty sure unless I'm wrong, but I think all this stuff happened in season two with at the farm with Andrea.

[01:18:44] The RV is season two. The fish is season one.

[01:18:47] Yeah. Yeah. I really feel for Andrea in the show. She never fit in with a group and she made some bad choices and sexual partners, but I completely understand why she was angry at Dale for coercing her into leaving the CDC.

[01:19:01] I understand her desire to learn how to use her gun to protect, protect the group. I understand that maybe it didn't come easy to her and the rest of the group was not forgiving of her learning curve. I understand her desire to stay in Woodbury because it was clean and civilized rather than Dodge walkers in the woods with Michonne.

[01:19:19] If I found a town with high walls, I would want to stay and fix any corruption inside rather than go back to that hand to mouth survival. Of course she didn't know that the governor would murder his own people when she finally learned how horrible he was. She did try to escape him. As Jason said, show people as they really are. I think Andrea was an accurate picture of a successful woman grappling with the collapse of society.

[01:19:43] I love all of that, but I want you to write and tell me what you think of Andrea leaving that knife with Beth in season two who was suicidal.

[01:19:51] I think Carly might have answered that already though because she's reminded me of something I'd forgotten, which is Andrea being angry at Dale for not letting her make the decision to end her life in the CDC and taking that away from her. And I wonder if with Beth she's being reactive and giving her what Dale didn't give her.

[01:20:13] I get that, but still crap. It's still not good that she did it. She told Beth's sister that she would watch over her. Yeah, not great. Not great.

[01:20:28] I don't know. I mean, I understand this whole thing is debatable for sure, but I come pretty hard down on one side of that debate. Andrea was the first Negan.

[01:20:38] But I do. Carly, thank you for writing that. I thought that was really smart and interesting, and I hope you write more. We have another email here or message from Christy Fleming from Toronto, Ontario.

[01:20:52] Christy says, Hi Jason and Lissy. I am thoroughly enjoying revisiting my favourite series. I decided to celebrate the 13 year anniversary by rewatching the pilot on, of course, Halloween.

[01:21:03] Even wrote in my 13 year old son who was born just one week before the original premiere. Suffice to say that I missed the first season, the whole new baby thing.

[01:21:12] Well, 11 months later, I was preparing to return from maternity leave. My apologies to any American listeners, but we do get a year of maternity leave. I think the husbands do too, right? I couldn't confirm or verify that, but I believe it's more generous in Canada for men too.

[01:21:30] I had spent a year watching nothing but ultra vivid, colourful, sparkly toddler television and felt a desperate need for something. How can I put this? Darker. Cut to the creepy violin music and my indoctrination into all things zombie related began.

[01:21:45] 13 years later, and the scene with Morgan trying to take out his wife while Rick mercifully puts down Bicycle Girl never fails to wreck me. Lenny James is an absolute treasure.

[01:21:56] While watching, my husband and I played a little game. Anytime we saw an old character, we would see who could remember how they died first. Ah, good times. Can't wait for the next episode. Only in The Walking Dead. There's mine. There's yours.

[01:22:10] Can't wait for the next episodes where we get to meet Daryl and see the look of complete nausea on Rick's face when Daryl performs an impromptu walk-topsy, walker autopsy to see what it ate. I do believe that wasn't acting and a trip to Greg Nicotero's artistically realistic guts.

[01:22:25] Thanks again for being awesome and fun leaders of our Zedhead, Deadhead community. P.S. Jason, thanks to your recommendations in the original episodes of the podcast, I did read The Girl with All the Gifts this summer and I couldn't put it down. Such a great book.

[01:22:41] It's such a good book. If you look up Mike Carey on podcasttogether.com, you'll find an interview I did with him about that book. Amazing. And the movie. Nice. That was awesome. Alright, a couple of calls. Here's one from Randy. Ooh, hi Randy.

[01:22:58] Hey Jason and Lucy, this is Randy from Maine. I'm here for the Walking Dead No Prize. No Prize is a fake prize given out by Marvel Comics to people who find and explain away continuity errors.

[01:23:12] While you two rewatch, I'm going to try my best to give a plausible explanation to some of those little things in the show that don't quite make sense. Amazing. This week's, why did Glenn call them walkers if he hasn't met Morgan yet?

[01:23:26] Well, Morgan calls them walkers, but he most likely picked up this term from the news. I saw in an early script for Days Gone By that Morgan talks about learning information from the news.

[01:23:38] This doesn't appear in the finished episode, but it's safe to assume while he and his family are holed up early on, they're watching the news. Most likely, they were watching a local news coverage so they knew exactly what was happening around them.

[01:23:50] News media likes a catchy name and a local reporter after saying, the dead that are getting up and walking too many times probably started referring to them as walkers. Glenn being from the area probably saw some of this local coverage as well.

[01:24:07] And since the zombie apocalypse happened so quickly, the term didn't get a chance to spread too far beyond Atlanta. I know, you're asking, well then why does Glenn also call them geeks? Well, for one, he's a funny guy.

[01:24:19] But he's also interacted with more people since the start than Morgan has. Not everyone would have seen the local news or automatically picked up on the term walkers.

[01:24:29] So Glenn probably heard other names and the terms would get mixed into his vocabulary until societal influences guided him to an agreed upon term. Rick, who he just met, being one of those powerful influences.

[01:24:42] Hence why he eventually fully adopts the moniker walkers and why other groups don't necessarily call them walkers. This is canon by the way now, and you can't argue with me because I'm a voice recording and I can't hear you. Yeah, you want to say that to my face?

[01:25:00] Nah, I didn't think so. Thanks for the coverage. Loving getting to do a rewatch with you guys. Ta-ta! Ta-ta! I was about to say I was sorry that Margaret hadn't been in touch. That's great. I think you should do that no prize thing with Fear the Walking Dead.

[01:25:24] Oh, Randy. Run away. Run away man, run away. I love the news thing. God, the way my brain works, I always think of contradictions.

[01:25:37] The only thing that came up like that for me is I love I think that's great that they were calling them that on the news and that's why it caught on.

[01:25:45] But then why didn't catch on with more people? Like every group we see, they're calling them some other weird name. But anyway, I forget that. I like I like that a lot. That does make a lot of sense.

[01:25:55] I think geek. I'm not sure about this, but I think they might have called zombies geeks in some other zombie movie and it was like a tribute. Right. But in story, it's because Glenn's a funny guy. I like that.

[01:26:08] I am thinking about the scene in Anchorman with all the local news networks fighting and I'm like, they all have different names for walkers. I got to watch that again. You keep referencing it and I haven't seen it in so long.

[01:26:21] We rewatched it recently. I was listening to another podcast and someone, I think it was Michael Hobbs said like, God, you remember the world before the Internet?

[01:26:30] It was no, not before the end. It was like before social media. It was all of us just endlessly quoting Anchorman. And I'm like, I never stopped. I'm still doing that.

[01:26:38] That's great. Well, I got to watch it now. So I won't miss your quotes. Thank you, Randy. Please more. We love it. And then Colin, we complimented his voice, asked him if he was a singer. He said he was. So now he sent in a sample. No, amazing.

[01:26:58] He says, here's my Chris Cornell's Patience. Hope you all enjoy. I don't know if Colin knows this, but Patience was originally Guns Roses, but I checked and Chris Cornell also did a cover. Maybe he sounds more like Chris Cornell. That's why he said that. But anyway, I've not heard this. Here we go.

[01:27:18] I'm still alright to smile. Girl, I think about you every day now. Was a time when I wasn't sure. You set my mind at ease. There ain't no doubt you're in my heart now.

[01:27:47] Sad woman, take it slow and work yourself out fine. All we need is just a little patience. Sad sugar, take it slow and we'll come together fine. All we need is just a little patience. That was incredible, dude. Oh, he's got pipes. I love it.

[01:28:26] That took some guts. Oh my God, very Cornell. I like that. I love that song too. Thank you, Colin. That was brilliant. Everybody else, you now have the bar set. We will now only be responding to feedback in musical format. In sung format, yeah.

[01:28:46] I do a really good Tom Waits. No, I'm joking. It's pretty bad. I can't. I can sing pretty well in the shower, but that's about it. All right. That is our show episode 550. Thanks for listening, everybody. Next episode is The Walking Dead season one, episode four, Vatos.

[01:29:08] Vatos. If you want to write in or leave us a voice message about it, you can find all our contact information at podcastica.com. And while you're there, please check out some of our other shows.

[01:29:20] One that's coming up really soon is this, I think it's called Monarch Legacy of Monsters. It's Apple TV plus Godzilla show. And Matt Shackman's directing the first couple he did, WandaVision, and he's going to be doing Fantastic Four.

[01:29:36] And it's one of the showrunners is this guy, Matt Fraction, who's one of my favorite comic book writers. And it looks like great effects and everything. So I'm hopeful it's great.

[01:29:46] I think I'm going to guest on a couple episodes. It's going to be Ben and Rima might come in and do some and Mark. Oh, that sounds like an awesome mix. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool too. Cool show. Fun. Hopefully it's good.

[01:30:01] And this episode is made possible by Patreon supporters like Nathan Moas, our Australian friend. He's Australian, right? I believe so. Who pledged their support at patreon.com slash Jason Kabassi. So thank you to Nathan. Appreciate it. Thanks Nathan. All right. That is our show.

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