596: "Home" (TWD S3E10 Rewatch)

[00:00:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Stress? Getting your man Rick?

[00:00:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you blame him?

[00:00:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Nah, not at all. In here I've seen plenty of dudes crack. Not me.

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I got on better in the inside. Things made more sense, you know?

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_05]: There are rules. Life was more simple.

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't you miss your brother?

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_05]: My brother? Hell no. He had a real money problem.

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_05]: What kind of problem?

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_05]: He didn't lend me any.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_05]: One time that's something.

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_11]: Hey Zedheads, welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm Lucy.

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_11]: And this is The Cast of Us, episode 596.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_06]: And this episode we're covering The Walking Dead season 3, episode 10, Home.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_11]: Home.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_11]: Why is it called Home?

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_06]: That's one of my points, god damn it.

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_11]: We always talk about why the episode's called Home.

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_06]: It's true, but I wanted to corner it this week.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_11]: Lucy's leading this week, so I'll read the plot summary which is...

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean you're the one that did most of the prep.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_11]: So it is Rick Wander's The Woods outside the prison while Daryl attempts to survive

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_11]: with Merle with no clear leader. Glenn takes charge but wrestles angrily with

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_11]: his failure to protect Maggie. Herschel asks Rick to return but he's driven mad by visions

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_11]: of Laurie. Daryl helps a family with a newborn which prompts an argument with his brother.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_11]: Merle is shaken to learn that Daryl was similarly abused by their father yet did not become

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_11]: poisoned with resentment and self-interest.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_11]: Is that the part Merle's shaken by?

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, sure.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_11]: Daryl leaves Merle and returns to the prison. The governor attacks the prison killing Axel

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_11]: and flooding the field with walkers. That's a pretty good summary.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Was that Wikipedia or chat GPT?

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_11]: Wikipedia.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Thanks, Wiki.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm so grateful for Wikipedia. So what do you think about this one? How was it to watch it?

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, so exciting! I'd forgotten how much shit went down in this episode.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_06]: I had it in my head that we were just treading war until clear and I was like, holy crap!

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Holy crap! So much stuff happens!

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_11]: I think yeah because you know I've said I didn't like the second half as much. Now

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm like, what was I smoking? Because clear is clearly a great one. I remember that.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_11]: The last weeks was good. Suicide King. I think maybe this one, I became more of

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_11]: a fan of Daryl as the series went along and I wasn't as big of a fan when this

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_11]: aired so I didn't appreciate the Daryl stuff as much. I think I'm not going back

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_11]: and listening to my earlier podcast but that's just what I remember. So now that

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_11]: I am a huge Daryl fan, I appreciated his parts a lot more and yeah, I thought it was

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_11]: a good episode. It was kind of heartbreaking parts of it but in a good way

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_11]: and thrilling and interesting and I liked it.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_06]: It really amped up at the end as well and I still jumped when Axel got short.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_06]: I knew it was coming. He's going to get short in this scene and it still surprised me.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean that's the thing is I thought, same thing when they're walking on this

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_11]: catwalk Carol and Axel, I'm just going, oh my god! It's coming right now!

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_11]: I know! I was like duck!

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_11]: And then the scene ended and it's like, oh okay, it's later. But I felt so uncomfortable.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_06]: They're really laying it on thick with like, I'm a good guy.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_06]: I only had a water pistol.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, oh he's going to be so dead.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_11]: When you watch it the first time, it's like, oh look, they're having a moment.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_11]: She's opening up, she's smiling.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_11]: Get her mojo back!

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_11]: Also after having seen the whole series, she's teaching him how to use a gun

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_11]: and we're like, that's the Carol we know, here she comes.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_11]: But in the moment when it first aired, I just remember, oh wow, she looks more...

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_11]: They're kind of flirting a little bit and she looks thrilled.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_11]: And I'm like, this will be the nice start of something. Oh! Maybe not.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I know! Oh fuck!

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_11]: That's what they got you. They really fooled us and that made it that much more just horrible.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_06]: And even the way they shoot it, like just panning from his face,

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_06]: because obviously for the effects or whatever they need it to be from the side

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_06]: and I'm like, oh no, they're panning. They're panning.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh no! Axel no!

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_11]: It's like a hate service for people but it reminds me of Kennedy.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh god. Yeah.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_06]: And then, I mean, there were a couple of bits in this episode

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_06]: that were inadvertently quite funny to me and one of them was Carol

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_06]: having to use Axel as a human body shield.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_11]: I know!

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_06]: That's also later Carol.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I know Carol's like, no it was a nice thing we had but anyway

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_06]: and then like lets him just get absolutely ripped by the bullets.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my god.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_11]: He was gone.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_06]: If you're gone, you're gone.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_11]: Since we were talking about this now, I read in the wiki there was an interview

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_11]: with Glenn Mazzara, the showrunner who said,

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_11]: now the question is, who's death?

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_11]: Talking about who had to die this episode.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_11]: To be very honest, I didn't want to kill off any of the major characters.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_11]: We obviously didn't want to kill Rick.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Carol was on the chopping block but I didn't want to kill Carol

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_11]: because we have a story coming up with her.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_11]: We looked at the possibility of killing Beth.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't think that actor knows that. You know, I love Emily Kinney

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_11]: but I felt that would have had tubing and impact on the group.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_11]: It would have just devastated poor Herschel.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_11]: It would have taken him down a path I didn't want for the rest of the season

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_11]: and we were already dealing with Maggie's feelings about her

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_11]: sexual assault by the governor so we didn't want to complicate that

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_11]: with mourning for her sister.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_11]: We talked about killing Carl in that episode.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_11]: We really did.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_11]: Glenn.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_11]: Unfortunately, you know, by the process of elimination, we got to Axel.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_11]: Now I like Lou Temple's performance of Axel very, very much

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_11]: and we were just starting to find that character

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_11]: and develop him in a way that we loved

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_11]: and we probably could have had more stories with him

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_11]: but the governor was the main character in that piece.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_11]: We needed to make sure he was not ineffectual

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_11]: because otherwise he's not a bad guy that could possibly take out

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_11]: our guys so that was really important.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_11]: So just talking about how they got to that, you got to make the governor feel like a threat.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I'd have kept her Reese's group and killed the guy

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_06]: that wanted to loot the prison.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_06]: But then maybe you end up liking the governor after that.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_06]: You're like, yeah, get good.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, maybe so.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_11]: Ari, they could have just had him bring in another guy that died

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_11]: but it was more effective to kill Axel

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_11]: because we just were starting to like him.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_11]: You know, we'd gotten to know him a little bit

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_11]: at least that's how I felt.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_11]: Last thing I want to say about this with Axel's death

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_11]: all the prisoners have been killed Tomas, Big Tiny, Andrew, Oscar and Axel

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_11]: and I remember at Walker Stalker Con we used to do panels

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_11]: with some of those guys and other like some of the Woodbury guys

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_11]: and we would call it Dead Men of the Walking Dead.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_06]: The Walking Dead Men.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_06]: I really liked his line about his brother having a money problem.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_06]: He didn't lend me any.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, I hear that.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_06]: And also they didn't believe anyone could be so stupid and get away with it.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_06]: But the first thing I wanted to talk about was the cold open.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Because there's no spoken dialogue for the first five minutes of this episode.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_06]: We see and it's really interesting in retrospect that Michonne sees this

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_06]: primarily because she's seeing Rick at a really low ebb losing his mind.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_06]: And again, things that shouldn't make me laugh but did on a rewatch

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_06]: are obviously this really touching scene of Rick seeing beautiful bridal lorry

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_06]: standing looking at him touching his face.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_06]: And I was like, if this was a comedy, I would love to see Michonne

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_06]: seeing Rick making out with the air.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, just like, mwah, mwah, mwah, mwah.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_11]: Because the look on her face the first time back then is what is this guy

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_11]: like he's nuts? You know, what is he doing?

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Was she in the room?

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_11]: I forget when he first went crazy and chased Tyrese off.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. So I was like, oh my God, who am I with here?

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_11]: But afterwards now, and I know this wasn't the intention but it looked like

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_11]: who's my man out there with?

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. No. Who's she kissing?

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_11]: His wife was dead.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_06]: And again when Rick glends like Rick's in Crazy Town,

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm like smash cut to Rick making out with the fence.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Like, oh, Laurie, you're so beautiful.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, Laurie, I miss you so much.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_11]: Rick has arms going up and down her back.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Michonne just watching like there's room for improvement,

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_06]: but I'll take it like.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_11]: In the comics, she was more like that.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, not making out with people,

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_11]: but hearing voices and talking to her dead boyfriend and stuff.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, because she bonds with Rick over that in clear briefly.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_06]: She says something like I've spoken to dead people tears or something.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_11]: That's right. As a nod to the comics, yeah.

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_06]: And bless him.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_06]: I think Andrew Lincoln actually does a really good job of selling Rick's

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_06]: like emotional distress and I'll talk about that later.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_06]: But there was something about him just off in the distance sort of.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Having a moment with this dead wife and Michonne just watching.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_06]: They really made me laugh.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, oh, well, maybe they'll laugh about this later.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_11]: Now you know, now that we're more like attuned as a society to

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_11]: and one of the listeners messages that we'll hear later reminded me of this,

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_11]: but to people's mental health, you know,

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_11]: and the importance of good mental health and that, you know,

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_11]: it shouldn't be that it should be paid attention to.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_11]: Then you see Rick from that lens like, yeah, he's bad.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_11]: They're really his mental health has declined.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_11]: He's really having a breakdown.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_06]: He's not doing so well.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, if we're going to go down that route, Glenn could be more sensitive

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_06]: in his use of language and not refer to Rick.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_06]: What was it living in crazy time?

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_11]: Not appropriate language.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_11]: Not anywhere close to how bad Merle is, but I know.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_06]: I know. I know.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Right. Oh God, Merle in this episode.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I was just like, I've got so many question marks like was that a slur?

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Was that a slur that I'm just like, I'm just going to assume that everything was safe answer.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes. But I enjoyed the cold open.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I liked kind of the Rick and Michonne of it all and the quietness of it

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_06]: and the power of having silence.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I think the show veers away from that in some of its weaker moments,

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_06]: just having silent character beats.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_06]: So that to me was a really strong opening.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_06]: When I was thinking about this episode in the kind of big macro way,

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I ended up really thinking a lot about the men in the episode

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_06]: and how they're all dealing with stuff,

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_06]: how everyone's processing trauma in different ways.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_06]: And what I found interesting,

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_06]: and I'm going to kind of talk about the men generally sort of a big point

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_06]: was a little bit of a parallel between Glenn and the governor in this episode,

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_06]: which is but they're operating in very different ways.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_06]: And they're both sort of getting the house in order,

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_06]: sort of getting ready for a fight but doing it in as I say,

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_06]: in quite contrasting methods.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_06]: So Glenn has gone almost like feral.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_06]: He's like drawing the prison and chalk on the ground.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_06]: He's already thinking about an attack from the governor.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_06]: He's getting a lot of support from Michonne, which is nice.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_06]: But everyone else in the group is quite resistant.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Carol says we're not assassins.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Herschel wants to run.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Herschel's like if he wants this place, it's not worth dying for.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_06]: And Glenn points out quite angrily that they can't run

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_06]: because that was when Herschel had two legs

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_06]: and they didn't have a screaming baby the last time that they lived

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_06]: that kind of itinerant life.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_11]: It's a good point, but the way he's saying it is cruel.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, exactly.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like, yeah, absolutely.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_06]: But he's like, you stupid jerk with your one leg.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_06]: He doesn't say that.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_11]: That's kind of an attitude that comes out though.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Herschel's like, you are on my last nerve.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_06]: So they decide to make a stand and defend the place

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_06]: and Carl and Glenn are going to head to the tombs

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_06]: to see how Tyrese's group got in.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_06]: And then there's a moment of panic where Glenn realizes nobody's on watch.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think what really got me in this scene was the sense that

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_06]: the loss of Daryl is not just emotionally devastating.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_06]: It actually means there are numbers of capable fighters are really low.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_06]: And there's a way in which the group are starting to just feel so claustrophobic in the prison.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_06]: It's like this big oppressive space in which they are depleting in numbers.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_06]: And there's suddenly very much being hunted.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_06]: And I thought that really carried the episode and Glenn's frantic need to protect,

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_06]: which is largely coming, I think, from his what he feels as his failure to protect Maggie,

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_06]: which is something I want to come back to.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_06]: It leads to this display of quite just like visceral masculinity from Glenn

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_06]: in a way that he doesn't seem to quite know how to handle.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_06]: And he's panicking and he says to Herschel like, Daryl's gone,

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Rick's the mayor of crazy town.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_06]: It's up to me now.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_06]: And you can see Glenn's kind of discomfort with that

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_06]: and his panic about what is going to happen.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_06]: And Herschel tries to reason with him.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_06]: He calls Glenn out.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_06]: He says that he trusts him with Maggie's life.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_06]: He still does, but that the rage is going to get him killed.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_06]: And Glenn is quite resistant to that and quite,

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know, he pushes back to Herschel a little bit there.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_06]: But I do think that Herschel gets through to him to an extent.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_11]: He's like, I think he's I know we'll talk about him more later, but

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_11]: he's so he's so in his funk right now and it is so emotional.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_11]: So it's really hard, you know, just speaking from experience when you have a problem,

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_11]: a psychological problem, it's so hard to deal with it when you're in the middle of all the feelings

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_11]: in it.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_11]: And a lot of times it's something that you need that time needs to pass so that you can cool off

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_11]: and be able to understand how you're contributing to your own problem, you know, or

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_11]: how you need to get some clarity, but you can't force that clarity,

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_11]: especially when he's in the middle of this like rageful feeling about it.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_11]: And then he has to like try to be resourceful in the middle of all that.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_11]: It's really tough, but also he's total ass in this episode.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_06]: It makes him human though.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_06]: I think his panic makes him human in a way that because the governor by contrast

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_06]: is doing something similar in so far as he's gathering the troops, he's

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_06]: he's batting down the hatches, but he's doing it in a very manipulative way.

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_06]: And I was really interested in the scene with him and Andrea where the one thing she

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_06]: never got from Rick's group was validation as a leader in her own right.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_06]: And I think what the I don't know if the governor sees that or if he's taking a wild guess,

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_11]: but his way I think he's good at seeing what people need will motivate them.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Where their desires are and then playing to those because what he does is he

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_06]: essentially puts her in charge is like the governor or the governor s or just the governor

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_06]: doesn't have to s on the end of it.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_06]: And that seems to take her away from her like being quite furious with him and kind of puts

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_06]: her on a different track.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_06]: But then we see him, you know, he blows smoke up her butt.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_06]: He's like who Milton Martinez?

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_06]: It would obviously be you which he knows is going to be a big manipulation of her

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_06]: to stay.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_06]: And he says, you know, you can go to your friends at the prison if you want,

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_06]: but she's not gonna.

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_06]: He says that people need her, that they need her to step up and that's so manipulative.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_11]: It is.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_11]: But I think what's really clever about it is there's truth to it.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_11]: Like we saw her he noticed that she was able to calm the Woodbury ins down and he

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_11]: signed her.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, she has the capability to be a leader now.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_11]: He doesn't care about her or them or anything else.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_11]: He's just figuring out what you see can get out of people and and totally using them

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_11]: for his own ends.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_11]: And so with her, he sees, OK, I need to go take care of the prison.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_11]: Andrea could keep all these people busy.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_11]: I saw that she can lead them.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_11]: So I'll put her on that.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_11]: I know that that's the kind of thing she wants to be respected for.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_11]: So she'll probably go for it.

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_11]: Also, she sees that I've been fucking with her friends and so she could be a

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_11]: problem.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_11]: So this will kill two birds with one stone.

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_11]: Take care of the Woodbury and keep her busy.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_11]: And then I can go do my thing and then totally lies to her about how I was bad.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, just like and she sort of buys into it.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, you can tell she's like resisting, but she goes with it because he knows

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_11]: how to push her buttons, you know.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_06]: And she's made a big mistake and she's starting to realize it and you don't

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_06]: you look for anything to confirm that you've not fucked up as badly as you

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_06]: thought you'd fucked up like it's there still stronger person will say.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, this is when I need to realize that like that whole sunk cost fallacy

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_11]: that you've got you put so much into it that you don't want to admit to yourself.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_06]: But like Darryl in this episode, yeah, we're all yeah saying like now fuck this.

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_06]: And then we see him go to Milton who's listening to what I thought was whale

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_06]: sounds better actually alpha waves.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_06]: There is actually research into listening to like alpha and delta waves

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_06]: when you're concentrating for different effects.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_06]: It's quite interesting and the governor kind of really meanly wakes him up

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_06]: by throwing down his walkie-talkie.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_06]: The governor is quietly intimidating with Milton in a way.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_06]: He's asking if he's thinking of leaving, you know, I always knew I could trust

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_06]: you really massaging his ego there.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_06]: And at this point, he's just gathering troops.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_06]: He's turning people against each other.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_06]: He tells him he's unsure about Andrea.

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, if Milton in particular, I thought my first thought with him was, oh,

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_11]: if I was Milton, I would be worried because as I said,

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_11]: the governor figures out what use he has for you and then he exploits it.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Right. But if he has no use for you, he'll kill you.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_11]: And Milton's use is gone.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_11]: He he was there to try to help bring Penny back in now.

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_11]: Penny's gone.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_11]: So I thought, oh, Milton, I mean, I know how Milton goes out.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_11]: But I would think Milton, you might be in trouble, but he he's

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_11]: he figures out another use for Milton.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_11]: First of all, tests to make sure he has Milton's loyalty, which Milton says yes.

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_11]: And then he's like, OK, I want you to watch Andrea and make sure that she's

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_11]: doing what she's supposed to be doing or whatever.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it doesn't ask not asking questions about where I am kind of thing.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_06]: So governor, big piece of shit.

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Weirdly though, doing a similar thing to Glenn in essence of getting the

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_06]: gang together and making sure that things are strong, dealing with trauma

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_06]: in a different way by evil or by emoting.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_06]: And he's just lost his daughter, Glenn's lost a sense of innocence

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_06]: and control over things that he used to have.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_06]: I just thought it was interesting to see the two of them kind of paralleled that way.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. And what I love, I wasn't thinking about that, but really

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_11]: because people at the prison are supposed to be getting ready

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_11]: for this attack and figuring out what to do about it, whether it's

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_11]: to show up their defenses or leave.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_11]: And governor is getting ready to attack and the governor's the leader of his people.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_11]: Glenn's the leader of his people right now.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_11]: So it is kind of like the governor versus Glenn, even though they're

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_06]: and at this point, Glenn is so much more against the governor than Rick does.

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_06]: Like as I mean Glenn's not wrong when he says Rick's on Walkabout.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Like Rick's not really tuned into what's happening until the end of this

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_06]: episode when I think he gets a sharp shock about reality.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_11]: And I was thinking like, you know, they know the governor's coming.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_11]: They need to be getting ready, but because they're kind of directionless

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_11]: in a way and I was thinking of the line of succession of leaders.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_11]: Rick first then Daryl as Glenn says, right?

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_11]: Rick's crazy town, Daryl's gone.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_11]: So it's Rick, Daryl, then Glenn, then Herschel.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_11]: And Rick's having his breakdown.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_11]: Daryl's gone. Glenn's full of rage.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_11]: Then I was thinking, well, we know Maggie should have been in that list

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_11]: because she became such a great leader later.

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_11]: Even Rick told her, I think he said at some point, you would be better than me.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_11]: I want you to follow you or something.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'd follow you.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_11]: And but right now she's also not doing great anyway.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_11]: She's in a funk of her own.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_11]: But Rick said to Herschel, if you're so worried about Glenn, you lead.

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_11]: And I'm like, that's a great idea actually.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_11]: Herschel seems to be the one that has his wits together the most.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_11]: Making the leader right now.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Making the leader.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_06]: What happens in America if like the potus and the vice potus are both taken out?

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Who's in charge then?

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_11]: The speaker of the house, I think.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_06]: What Nancy Pelosi?

[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_11]: Well, no, now it's Republican guy.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_11]: I forgot his name, but he came in after Kevin McCarthy got pushed out.

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't realize that.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I would not have guessed that.

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_11]: So whoever controls the house, yeah,

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_11]: the Republicans control the house right now.

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_06]: To be fair, I have literally no idea what happens in the UK

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_06]: if the Prime Minister and the King both go.

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_11]: It's like there's a whole line of succession that goes.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm pretty sure it's the speaker of the house

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_11]: and then it goes through cabinet members.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_11]: If you read Why the Last Man,

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_11]: I think the like secretary of agriculture becomes the president

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_11]: because all the men just drop dead.

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_11]: That's the story of that comic every man just drops dead except for one.

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_06]: That's amazing.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_06]: I love that.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_11]: You're like, I love that.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_06]: I love that idea.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_06]: I also love that it could end up being like a minister,

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_06]: you know, someone who's been promoted into a job that they're like,

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't fucking care about this.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_06]: And then it's like, oh, by the way, you've run the world now.

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_06]: And it's like what?

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe that's better.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I like forums and agriculture.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Speaking of the main man of the house, Rick, he is on Walkabout.

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Like there's no denying it.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_06]: He is kind of not doing that.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_11]: It's wandering around the outskirts of it.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, God, snogging the air, like just making out with his wife.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_11]: And if he would have been around, he's a tactical guy.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_11]: So maybe they could have been better prepared.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_11]: They only lost one guy though.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_11]: So I don't know.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_11]: Maybe he would have been able to save Axel.

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_06]: And Herschel, I'd forgotten this moment between him and Rick

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_06]: that I really liked actually where Rick opens up to Herschel

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_06]: because traditionally talking about your mental health

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_06]: is really fucking hard.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_06]: A lot of the times in TV shows it's used as like a device

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_06]: where someone won't divulge something that has happened

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_06]: to them or something they're feeling.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_06]: And I remembered it being that way in The Walking Dead

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_06]: but I forgot that Herschel actually does a good job

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_06]: of getting Rick to open up.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_06]: So he appeals to him about Glenn.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_06]: He's as smart as he is.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_06]: He can't fill your boots.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_06]: He's getting reckless.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_06]: And then Rick gives like the shitest excuse ever

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_06]: of like, oh, I got stuff out here.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Herschel's like really...

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean you told him, right?

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm seeing people that aren't there.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_11]: I know they're not there but there's got to be something.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_11]: I got to deal with this.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_11]: I got a process right now.

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_11]: It's like, uh, we're in trouble.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_06]: And Herschel's like anything else.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, because he opens that up so well

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_06]: because Herschel says anything I can help you with

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_06]: and there's a long silence.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_06]: And then Rick, I think it's reassuring for the audience

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_06]: because he says, you know, I keep saying Lori.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I know it's not her but I got to mean for it.

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_06]: It's got to mean something.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm looking for him and he's waiting for something

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_06]: until he's found that he can't come back in.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_11]: He's waiting for some kind of an answer, he says.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_11]: And I'm like...

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't remember what that ends up being.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_06]: It was the friends we made along the way.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_11]: That makes sense because it's all about having

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_11]: heard phone calls from dead people that he feels bad about

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_11]: not having saved and then seeing Shane,

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Ghost Shane and Ghost Lori which I think is interesting.

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_11]: He either heard people but didn't see them

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_11]: or saw people but didn't hear them

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_11]: which I just think both lend the feeling of

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_11]: they're not really there.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_11]: But anyway, he says he's waiting for this answer

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_11]: so now I'm like, okay, I'm going to be waiting

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_11]: to see if he gets some kind of an answer.

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_11]: He feels focused in at the end

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_11]: like maybe that brought him back the attack

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_11]: but I can't remember, do we see any more Ghost Lori after this?

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_11]: Do you remember?

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Good question.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_11]: Was it just one episode?

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_11]: I thought it was more but maybe it was...

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_06]: I think no because I think after clear

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_06]: he gets that's the big wake up call

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_06]: is like Morgan's fully mayor of Crazy Town

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_06]: and Rick's like he sees where it could go

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_06]: if he doesn't get a grip on himself.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_11]: Maybe that's what it is.

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, that's the answer.

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_11]: I also want to mention too just while I'm talking about this

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_11]: that when Rick first saw Ghost Lori

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_11]: at the beginning of that cold open

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_11]: they're playing that theme that Karen she

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_11]: clued us into Rick's theme

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_11]: and now I'm totally aware of that

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_11]: because of that segment that she did.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_06]: That's beautiful and I think there was an intention

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_06]: to have that scene, to have Lori be a walker

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_06]: at a certain point but they never aired it.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_06]: There's a lot of shots of that available online

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_06]: if you Google it.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_11]: Deleted scene.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and I should say for listeners

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm saying things like Mayor of Crazy Town

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't actually mean that

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_06]: and I'm not being flippant about psychosis

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_06]: it is really difficult

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_06]: but there is, yeah, I think it's that

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_06]: that moment where he sees Morgan

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_06]: it kind of gives him a wake up to reality.

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_06]: My final point about men

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_06]: is of course the Dixon Brothers

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_06]: because this is a important

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_06]: really important episode for them

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_06]: because this is where the road

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_06]: kind of splits for them

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_06]: so we open up and they're hunting

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Merle's pissing against a tree

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_06]: because everything about Merle is disgusting

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean no shade to peeing outdoors

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_06]: but just you know they always put Merle

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_06]: in these situations where you're just like

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_06]: he...

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, they wouldn't show Milton peeing on a tree.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Milton would never.

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_06]: He'd have a little like a little hanker chief

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_06]: and some hand sanitizer I bet.

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_06]: We hear Merle say things like patience

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_06]: little brother, Darrell's getting fed up

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_06]: with having to hunt

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_06]: and Merle's kind of winding him up

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_06]: about him wanting to go back to the

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_06]: prison and Darrell's like yeah

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_06]: there's shelter, food, a pot to piss in

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_06]: it's not too bad

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_06]: and Merle, I thought he said

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_06]: no damn potty for me

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_06]: it's like they wouldn't let him use the toilet

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_06]: but I think the line was no damn potty for me

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_06]: and you can see

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm trying to be empathetic to Merle

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_06]: at points in this episode

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_06]: there are points where clearly

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_06]: he's bothered about the fact that he's not

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_06]: allowed back in the prison and he feels vulnerable

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_06]: about it and he feels upset

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_06]: but he is such

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_06]: a disgusting human being for the rest

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_06]: of the time that they are together

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_06]: he talks down to Darrell, he undermines

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_06]: him

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Darrell's convinced that they're near the Yellowjacket river

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Merle just completely dismisses

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_06]: him tells him he lost his sense of direction

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_06]: tells him not to get his panties all in a bundle

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_06]: says a bunch of racist shit

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_11]: he says I ate waste of my bullets on a couple strangers that

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_11]: ain't never cooked me a meal

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_11]: or felaciated my peace

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_08]: oh, good God

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_11]: I gotta laugh

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm not laughing because I think

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_11]: he's right, I'm laughing because I think

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_11]: he's an idiot

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean he should run for Congress

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_06]: so when they're heading towards the river

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_06]: they hear noises and I'd completely

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_06]: forgotten about

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_06]: this whole incident

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_06]: but there is a Latino family on the bridge

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_06]: who don't speak English

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_06]: shout out to Randy Stevenson

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_06]: who last week when I asked if that was the road

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_06]: where they filmed everything he made me a great

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_06]: kind of collage

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_06]: of all the things that have been filmed on that road

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm gonna ask is there's the bridge where they film

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_06]: everything because I think we see this bridge quite a lot

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_11]: as well I mean I thought the

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_11]: collage thing that Randy made was awesome

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_11]: but to me it looked like different roads in each picture

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_11]: maybe two of them were the same

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_06]: always, always with the detail

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Darrell saves this family

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_06]: it's headshot after headshot an amazing

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_06]: boot slam and Merle comes to help

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_06]: but the thing he does

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_06]: that I thought was so disgusting

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_06]: is he will help Darrell but he won't help the others

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_06]: so we see him sit back

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_06]: with his arms crossed and kind of observe what's happening

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_06]: he helps Darrell out at a certain point

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_06]: but he's clearly not helping out

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_06]: the other family

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_06]: who he calls by a racist term again

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_11]: he says at least they could give us

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_11]: an enchilada

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_11]: such a charmer

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Merle, why are you the worst?

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_11]: Nicole Beatty wrote this episode

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_11]: and she

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_06]: hates Mexican people, no don't fight over it

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_11]: she famously hates Mexican people

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_11]: she's amazing, she's really nice

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_11]: and I had her on the podcast

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_11]: twice after

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_11]: I think she was really sick

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_11]: the first season 3 episode 1

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_11]: and also this episode

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_11]: I remember during those interviews

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_11]: I'll put the links in the show notes

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_11]: afterwards I felt like I think I was just

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_11]: talking with her

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_11]: I didn't get enough of the details of the show

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_11]: for one thing, her mom is Melody Beatty

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_11]: who wrote the book

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_11]: codependent no more

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_11]: and the language of letting go

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_11]: she popularized the concept of

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_11]: codependency

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_11]: which I read both of those

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_11]: so I remember talking to Nicole Beatty

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_11]: about that, she's really proud of her mom

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_11]: so she was happy to talk about it

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_11]: afterwards I'm like I wonder if the listeners

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_11]: cared about that, probably not

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_11]: but she

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_11]: I remember she loved Michael Rooker

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_11]: she loved writing for him

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_11]: because it was fun

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_11]: but she also wrote that line

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_11]: when Merle says something about

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_11]: you and that damn Chinaman

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_11]: and he said he's Korean

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_11]: and I was telling

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_11]: Nicole Beatty

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_11]: that's such a great line because back in season 1

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_11]: when

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_11]: Darrell

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_11]: called him

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_11]: a Chinaman or something

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_11]: an Asian, and he said I'm Korean

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_11]: and now Darrell says

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_11]: he's Korean to stand up for him

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_11]: and it just very much is

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_11]: hard of the matter of showing Darrell's

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_11]: growth which I think you were about to get too sorry

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_11]: but anyway

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_11]: Nicole Beatty was like oh yeah

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_11]: I forgot about that so she

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_11]: maybe either did it subconsciously

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_11]: or not on purpose but it ended up being perfect

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_11]: it's iconic

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_11]: but the fact that her mom

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_11]: is the one who popularized

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_11]: codependency which

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_11]: is all about

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_11]: when a person

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_11]: enables another person thinking that they

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_11]: can fix them, you know a person

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_11]: who's self-destructive

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_11]: the other person is the codependent one

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_11]: who just keeps

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_11]: enabling them and being there with them

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_11]: and taking all their shit so

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_11]: Andrea's exhibiting codependent

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_11]: behaviors with the governor

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_11]: in this episode

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_11]: and Darrell starts to

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_11]: with Merle

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_11]: a little bit and I feel like

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_11]: there was another example of someone doing

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_11]: it in this episode but anyway I think

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_11]: she knows a lot about

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_11]: psychology

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_11]: Nicole Beatty being Melody Beatty's daughter

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_11]: and you can feel

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_11]: her

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_11]: knowledge of how

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_11]: people think and negotiate

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_11]: these kinds of things subconsciously

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_11]: in how she handles the interpersonal

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_11]: relationships among these characters, you know

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Well it's funny you should say that

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_06]: because one of the IMDb facts this week

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I thought was kind of

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_06]: weird but I think

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to like it so

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm gonna come back to the point

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_06]: I was making but in the IMDb stuff

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_06]: it says when Darrell says they must be coming up

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_06]: in Yellow Jacket Creek, Merle tells Darrell

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I may have lost my hand but you lost your sense of direction

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_06]: despite Merle's unwavering confidence

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_06]: and his condescension we find out

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Darrell was right after the scene on the bridge

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_06]: where he passes a sign at the end of the bridge

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_06]: indicating that the water feature is

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_06]: in fact the Yellow Jacket Creek

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Merle's unfounded certainty

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_06]: is a real psychological oddity known as

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_06]: the Dunning-Kruger effect

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_06]: In short the psychological studies showed

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_06]: that the more ignorant a person was

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_06]: the more certain they were that they were right

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_06]: The Dunning-Kruger experiments additionally

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_06]: found that ignorance was positively correlated

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_06]: with a false belief by the subject

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_06]: the false belief by the subject

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_06]: that they were more intelligent

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_06]: or more knowledgeable than their peers

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_06]: So it's like a very

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_06]: psychological experiment

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_06]: title for something that I think we all know

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_06]: which is that sometimes ignorant people

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_06]: are very convinced they're right

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh yeah and people and that

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_11]: when you're that convinced about something

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_11]: then

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_11]: because people who are very firmly rooted

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_11]: in their reality

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_11]: are the cult leaders of the world

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_11]: or just the leaders, you know, a lot of the time

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_11]: and then people are

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_11]: drawn to follow

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_11]: people who are so confident in themselves

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_11]: and sometimes the people are confident

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_11]: in themselves because they actually know a lot

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_11]: and they have their shit together

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_11]: but a lot of times it's the Dunning-Kruger effect

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_11]: but they still get the followers anyway

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_06]: They really do

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_06]: and

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah, so they

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_06]: have this whole interaction where

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Daryl, thank god, lets the family

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_06]: go and starts this conflict

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_06]: with Merle

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_06]: The family leave with an amazing

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_06]: acceleration over a dead zombie that makes its head

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_06]: explode, 10 out of 10

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_06]: and then we see Daryl and Merle stock off

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_06]: and then we see it's such a good shot

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_06]: we see the sign for Yellowjack at Creek behind them

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_06]: which is like a big symbolic sign post

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_06]: that Daryl is on the right path

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_06]: like he trusts his instincts and he's right

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_06]: so we see the conflict with Merle

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_06]: kind of escalate

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_06]: Daryl starts to stand up for himself

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_06]: and it gets bigger than what they're actually arguing about

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_06]: he's talking about Merle

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_06]: being his own worst enemy

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_06]: he's saying you did that, you asked for it

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_06]: when he got his hand cut off

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_06]: when he got left behind on the roof

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_06]: we see that Merle is a little bit jealous

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_06]: or maybe intimidated by Rick because of his effect

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_06]: on Daryl and the affection Daryl holds

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_06]: for him and Daryl calls

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Merle a simple minded piece of shit

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_06]: which is not unfair I don't think

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_06]: and then of course they rip

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_06]: uh, Radis is

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_06]: sorry they did rip Daryl's shirt and we see

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_06]: the childhood scars

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_06]: and Merle sees those scarles

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_06]: scarles, Daryl scarles

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Merle sees the scars and for a moment Merle

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_06]: is vulnerable because he's shocked by

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_06]: what has happened to his little brother

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_06]: after he left home

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Daryl wants to leave to go back to the prison

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_06]: he makes that really clear we have the iconic

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_06]: he's Korean line

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_06]: and he also says to Merle which I think is so important

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_06]: when you're leaving an abusive person

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_06]: that even though I'm the one that's leaving

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_06]: you're the one that's leaving again

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_06]: like even though I'm making this decision

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_06]: you're the one that's caused it

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_11]: because Daryl doesn't want to have to do that

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_11]: he wishes that Merle was the kind of person

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_11]: because he wants to be with Merle

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_11]: but he can't be with Merle the way he is

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah and I'm just like good for you Daryl

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_06]: this episode has such good growth for him

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_06]: and then of course they both turn up at the prison

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_06]: and save Rick

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_06]: which is a bit of a plot contrivance as maybe the only way

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_06]: that Merle could get back into the prison

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_06]: and I did enjoy Rick's face when he

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Merle's sort of grinning at him after and Rick's like

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_06]: this guy

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah he got some cred by helping fend off the attackers

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean Merle knows which side his bread's buttered on

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_06]: you know

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_11]: I liked it, I don't think it was forced

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_11]: I thought it was good

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_06]: so the Dixon brother is blessed

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_06]: because I could not remember how they got back to the prison

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_06]: and now it makes a bit more sense that Daryl just like

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_11]: you know what, fuck this, I made a mistake

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm out of here and Merle followed him

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_06]: yep

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_11]: so

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_11]: just a few random notes about

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_11]: the whole Daryl and Merle thing

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_11]: I just had it in my head

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_11]: they encounter these

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_11]: Spanish speaking people

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_11]: and I'm like oh Daryl's going to be

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_11]: encountering more Spanish speaking people

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_11]: in Daryl Season 3 which is in Spain

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_06]: she'd have asked them for some help Daryl

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_11]: Daryl didn't like that Merle was

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_11]: rooting through this car to steal something

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_11]: that's why you pointed his crossbow at him

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_11]: and it's just I think

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_11]: this episode is so key for Daryl

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_11]: we've seen him grow

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_11]: throughout the seasons but

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_11]: this is where it was put to the test

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_11]: and he made a choice, no

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_11]: like the whole scars on his back

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_11]: you know this is where we learn

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_11]: that Daryl's father abused him

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_11]: and at first he abused Merle

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_11]: and Merle left because he

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_11]: would have had to kill his father

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_11]: otherwise and then the father

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_11]: turned and started abusing Daryl

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_11]: instead and so it just

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_11]: really points to what a rough life

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_11]: he's had and how he was treated

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_11]: like shit and came to believe that he felt like shit

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_11]: and then when he went back with Merle

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_11]: later they went around there

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_11]: this is also where we learn they were going to rob

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_11]: the camp at the beginning of

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_11]: The Walking Dead and so that's the kind of people

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_11]: they were and so I think

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_11]: the scars is just a reminder

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_11]: to Daryl of what

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_11]: he's been through

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_11]: where he came from and

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_11]: to stay with

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Merle is to also

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_11]: just bring him back

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_11]: to that place psychologically

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_11]: and I think he feels especially when they're

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_11]: tested with these people now Daryl's

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_11]: instinct is to help them

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_11]: Merle's instinct is to leave them alone

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_11]: or try to get as much from them as he can

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_11]: and Daryl's like

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm not that person anymore that's where you just

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_11]: figured out like you know what

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_11]: I love you as a brother but that's not me anymore

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm Rick's family now

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_11]: and that's who I want to be

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_11]: I like myself better as that so

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_11]: he goes back there and I just think

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_11]: and also he has big beautiful arms

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_11]: so it's really a Daryl

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_11]: He truly does

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Daryl's statement here

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_11]: so um

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_11]: he's bringing the arms

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_11]: the gun show

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah the gun show is full on

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_11]: and Merle says I can't go back

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_11]: I tried to kill that I hate to even say that

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_11]: but then he goes damn near kill the Chinese

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_11]: kid too and Daryl says

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_11]: he's Korean and

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_11]: I just feel like that says it all

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_11]: like no

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_11]: no Merle I'm a no to you now

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm a better person

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not going to be silent anymore

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I have a shorter point about the women

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_06]: because there are women in this episode also

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Andrea

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_06]: we've spoken about her interaction with the governor

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_06]: but then we see her try and figure out where the governor is

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_06]: and we see Milton doing the world's

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_06]: shitest job of lying

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_06]: but we also see Karen

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_06]: who's going to turn up again in season 4

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_11]: every time I see Karen

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_11]: I feel almost like

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_11]: when I see Glenn

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_11]: which is gruesome death coming up

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah I was like oh you all better get your vaccines

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_06]: are you going to get the flu

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_06]: and Carol's going to kill you

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_06]: um yeah not great

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_06]: um so Andrea's

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah in a bit of a bind there

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Maggie

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_06]: and Beth and Maggie

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_06]: and Glenn as well

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Beth brings Judith to Maggie

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_06]: and Maggie holds Judith as a kind of calming thing

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I think being around a baby can be calming

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_06]: you have to be very mindful

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_06]: when you're holding a baby in a way

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_06]: and a baby doesn't care

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_06]: a baby is innocent, a baby is cute

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_11]: plus it's

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_11]: delightful

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_11]: for most people

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_11]: it's just like oh my god

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_11]: cause she was such a funk

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_11]: laying in her bed Maggie facing the wall

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_11]: not like her shell had just said don't disappear on me

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_11]: but she had disappeared on everyone

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_11]: and I think that was a very deliberate thing

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_11]: and smart thing

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_11]: at least a smart thing to try that Beth did

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_11]: handing her the baby and it woke her up

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_11]: you know it started to bring her out of her funk

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah forces her out of herself

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_06]: a bit, absolute laugh though

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_06]: when I did the timeline

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like how old's Judith

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Judith is supposed to be three days old at this point

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_06]: that baby's about five

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_06]: I blame TV for when

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_06]: I meet my friends newborn kids me being like

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_06]: oh my god they're tiny and they're like

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_06]: no this is a normal size and I'm like oh

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_06]: is it TV taught me that they're like the size

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_06]: of maybe a three year old

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_11]: I think you know the way

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_11]: a lot of watchers of TV

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_11]: hardcore fans

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_11]: they would start making

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_11]: theories about that oh that's not Judith

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_11]: what happened somebody traded

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_11]: the baby at some point

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_06]: it's the baby from the family on the bridge

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_06]: it's nuts

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Maggie and Glenn also have a

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_06]: confrontation which is interesting

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_06]: they're reconciled by the end of the episode

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_06]: we see them kind of touching hands

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_06]: but Glenn

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_06]: comes to Maggie to try and talk to her

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_06]: he's like do you need to talk about it

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_06]: and Maggie is quite angry

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_06]: she says I do or you do

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_06]: and she explains quite calmly

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_06]: but also very

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_06]: not quite passionately

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_06]: she's like calm but she's forceful

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_06]: about what happened

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_06]: it was take my shirt off or take your hand

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Glenn asks again

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_06]: or intimates you know did he rape you

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_06]: and she gets very mad at him and says

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_06]: you got your answer now go away

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_06]: and it's I felt really sorry for Maggie

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_06]: in that moment like she's

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_06]: she just it's almost like she's justifying herself

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_06]: or I don't think Glenn wants her to justify herself

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_06]: but I think she feels

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_06]: like she's being asked to relive something

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_06]: and justify it and it's just not

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_06]: nice to see

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_11]: I wonder because there's something

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_11]: that was in the back of my head that

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_11]: because I watched this episode

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_11]: years ago and it stayed with me

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_11]: but I had forgotten it the details

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_11]: of it and now that I've seen it

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_11]: it just shows me okay Glenn's

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_11]: coming at this as if Maggie has a

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_11]: problem and Maggie realizes

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_11]: that no Glenn

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_11]: is the one with the problem and I've

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_11]: definitely been in that situation before

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_11]: where I want to talk something out with someone

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_11]: because I think they need my help

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_11]: but really it's because

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_11]: I need to get something out of my chest

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_11]: or I need to work through it myself and I just

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_11]: haven't admitted that to myself you know

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_11]: but you can feel it in the energy of it

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_11]: and it's a problem that Glenn needs to deal

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_11]: with himself his problem not hers

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_11]: and I was

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_11]: the thing I was thinking

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_11]: in the back of my head that's down in the front is

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know if this is just about

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_11]: Glenn wrestling

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_11]: with the feelings that he failed to help Maggie

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_11]: I think it could also

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_11]: be that he's feeling emasculated

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_11]: or something like that because someone else

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_11]: had a sexual encounter with his girlfriend

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_11]: and he's transferring

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_11]: that

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_11]: discomfort onto her as if

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_11]: it's her fault

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_11]: and he feels anger at her for it

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_11]: and it's not rational I don't even know

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_11]: if you would consciously say that but I think she

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_11]: senses that which is why she's defending herself

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_11]: about taking off her shirt she says

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_11]: it's as if he said

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_11]: why did you let him do that to you

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_11]: why did you bring it on

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah because she says I had a choice either

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_11]: I take off my shirt or he would take off your

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_11]: hand I just listened to Murrell beating

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_11]: the shit out of you in the other room what could I do

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_11]: and Glenn realizes oh

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_11]: she thinks that I'm blaming her for this which

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_11]: was and he says I'm sorry and she

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_11]: pushes him away you know

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_11]: so I think

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_11]: and that's really kind of an ugly

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_11]: thing to think about Glenn this character

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_11]: who we all love but it's

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_11]: a human thing it's I'm not

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_11]: excusing it at all but I think it's

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_11]: something that happens and I think it's

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_11]: probably the kind of thing that Steven

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_11]: Young wanted for Glenn some darkness you know

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_11]: and I also like

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_11]: seeing human flaws as I mentioned several

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_11]: times in this podcast the characters can't just skate

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_11]: through into everything right it's boring

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_11]: they need to overcome challenges whether

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_11]: external or internal and

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_11]: it's harder emotionally than if they're all

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_11]: just like cool badasses all the time but it's more

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_11]: rewarding to watch them overcome these things

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_11]: which he does and it makes

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_11]: maybe this might be corny but helps inspire

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_11]: us to do the same but I don't

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_11]: know what do you think I'm

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_11]: I might be right on that? No I think you're completely right

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_06]: I think absolutely I think I've almost felt

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_06]: there's something about

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_06]: that intimacy and I think about it a lot

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_06]: in terms of like when I think about

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_06]: the repercussions of sexual assault and how

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_06]: that one of the

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_06]: most upsetting things about it I think is the

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_06]: ongoing repercussions it has for the

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_06]: relationships that you have

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_06]: is that something has been broken

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_06]: between you and the person that you love or the

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_06]: person that you want to be intimate with

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_06]: and that it's going to take time to get back to

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_06]: that and

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah I think Glenn does feel emasculated by

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_06]: you would

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_06]: possessive patriarchy y'all

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_06]: but not in a con

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_06]: like not in a conscious way like it's

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_06]: that I failed

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_06]: slash someone has done something

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_06]: to my partner or my

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_06]: woman in a way that I

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_06]: don't know how to deal with. Yeah it's

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_11]: complicated for sure it's really

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_11]: complicated there is a way that he's sort of

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_11]: transferred his feeling his anger about

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_11]: it on to her that's not

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_11]: healthy at all well it's not her job

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_06]: to bear witness to his anger but he's

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_06]: making it her job and I think you know

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_06]: her saying go away I'm like yeah absolutely

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_06]: go

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_06]: go away or at least come back with a baby

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_06]: like do you know what I mean

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_06]: poor Maggie it's a hard

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_06]: episode for her

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_06]: we spoke a little bit Carol as well

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_06]: getting her mojo back she's quite a lady

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_06]: I think I don't know

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_06]: she's serious about Axel in any way but

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_06]: I think she's liking the attention and I think

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_06]: that's not a bad thing for her. Yeah and I don't

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_11]: think she's serious at this point but it feels

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_11]: like something could have happened if

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_11]: it would have kept going in that direction you know

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah and she's also just lost Darryl as well

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Darryl's kind of abandoned her

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_06]: and Michonne doesn't do

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_06]: like a lot of talking

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_06]: this episode but she backs Glenn up

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_06]: she saves Herschel and she's

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_06]: a pretty helpful group member you know

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Glenn says he needs her to stay behind

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_06]: and guard while he's down in the tombs so

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_06]: that trust is building there

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_06]: and she's observing what's happening with Rick

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_06]: without a lot of judgment

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_06]: you know she's not holding it against

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_06]: him as far as we know

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_06]: and yeah she's just kind of coming

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_06]: quietly more integrated which I think is nice

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_06]: and that just leaves us

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_06]: with the conflict at the end the shoot out

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_06]: at the prison I just

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_06]: didn't expect a conflict

[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_06]: so quickly but we've got Martinez

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_06]: the governor

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_06]: someone's up on the tower the governor wants

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Michonne I've just written about

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_06]: the governor that he shoots like a dick

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_06]: like he's doing all these gun twists and like

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_06]: eh faces and I'm just like

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_06]: this is so good but bad

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_11]: This goes along with what I was saying before

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_11]: that

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_11]: we that he keeps

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_11]: his real feelings buried

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_11]: deep inside so you can't

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_11]: feel him you can't tell

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_11]: that's I think why

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_11]: Michonne doesn't trust him because

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_11]: she can't

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_11]: feel what he's really all about in a way that she could

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_11]: with right away with everyone at the prison

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_11]: but the time when you really

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_11]: feel him is when he's being destructive

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_11]: and committing violence

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_11]: and here you can see he's getting off

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_11]: on all this death and destruction he's like

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_06]: he doesn't flinch he just stands there

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_06]: he doesn't flinch or run away

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_11]: like you can feel the excitement

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_11]: of it you know

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_06]: it's like

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_06]: I bet he was a fucking

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_06]: nightmare to do paintball with on a work night

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_06]: I know

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_06]: oh Phillip fuck off

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_06]: does he have to be here

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I also had forgotten what happens

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_06]: with the van I was like

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_06]: why is that van there and I'm like oh my god it's literally

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_06]: a clown car full of zeds

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_06]: they were clown zeds that would be the best

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah exactly they were clowns

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean if I was the governor

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_11]: that would be great just add some style to it come on

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_06]: but he like undoes

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_06]: all of their work he fucks

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_06]: everything that they've done

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Herschel's in the field super vulnerable

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_06]: the governor is in his element

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_06]: they drive off just as Glenn arrives back

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Darrell Rick has a really close call

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_06]: Darrell and Merle save him

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_06]: and then we see Rick

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_06]: kind of click into feral Rick mode

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_06]: he's raging that Merle

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Merle he's raging that Merle is there although

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_06]: he's pleased to see Darrell

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_11]: there's Merle Carol Darrell

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_11]: Farrell Darrell Carl

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Carl protects

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Beth which is very cute the two of them

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_06]: are looking out for one another

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_06]: Maggie comes running out with guns

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_06]: which I think is so brave

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_06]: and at the end we see Maggie touch Glenn's

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_06]: hand when it's on her shoulder so there's a little bit

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_06]: of reconciliation there and we finish

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_06]: with rage Rick kind of

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_06]: indicating what's to come because I think

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_06]: he finally understands what's at stake

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_06]: because they've attacked

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_06]: his home

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_06]: end of discussion

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_11]: and scene and podcast

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_06]: and podcasting

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_06]: so yeah I've forgotten

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_06]: how buzzy that ending was

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_06]: and yeah as I say

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_06]: timeline we're on day 305

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_11]: why did they leave

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_11]: why did the governor

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_11]: and everyone leave just because

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_11]: well I guess a bunch of their guys

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_11]: did get killed huh

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah and I think it's like psychological warfare

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_06]: like they think if they get those zombies

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_06]: and those guys will be

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_06]: if not, then terrified

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_06]: that was the goal

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah do you have any notes

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_11]: a few

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_11]: Andrea was pissed that Milton won't tell him

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_11]: where the governor is and says

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_11]: um

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Milton I want you to give me a specific answer

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_11]: to a specific question where's the governor

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_11]: but he said on a supply

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_11]: run how is that not

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_11]: like I don't know he went out looking

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_11]: for supplies

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_08]: that does seem

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_11]: like what Milton actually thinks right

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know leave me alone

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_08]: supply, stuff

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_08]: science

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_11]: uh Nicole Beatty the writer

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_11]: I also just wanted to mention I think

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_11]: she left the walking dead

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_11]: after this season or maybe season 4

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_11]: okay I got the feeling

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_11]: she might have clashed with gimbal a bit

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_11]: but I'm not sure I don't know that for sure

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_11]: but I liked her a lot

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_11]: and if you anyone goes back

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_11]: and listens to those interviews I think

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_11]: you'll like her too

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_11]: I see she's had a good career after

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_11]: the show and most recently she's

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_11]: an executive producer and has written

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_11]: like 32 episodes of for all

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_11]: mankind on Apple TV

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_11]: so that's awesome

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_06]: nice

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Beth her outfits

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_11]: makes me remember

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_11]: all the Beth Cosplayers

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_11]: at Walker Stalker Con I think she's starting

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_11]: to look like that now

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_11]: the way she's dressing

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_11]: iconic Beth

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_11]: and then

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_11]: I think I stepped over you when you

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_11]: said the timeline

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_11]: what was it again? Yeah it's

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_06]: day 305

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Judas is three days old

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_11]: sorry I'm just like really

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_06]: okay so yeah

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_06]: that's great

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_11]: and then my last note is

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_11]: how

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_11]: this has nothing to do

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_11]: with this episode but I don't know where

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_11]: else to put it but I was just thinking

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_11]: how dumb it is that Morgan

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_11]: left Fear the Walking Dead saying

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_11]: he was going looking for Rick and then

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_11]: we never see him again

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_11]: and when that happened on Fear the Walking

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_11]: Dead my first thought was

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_11]: this is the writers throwing this

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_11]: in there there's no plan of anything ever coming

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_11]: from it but then I was like

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_11]: well Rick and the Rick and Michonne

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_11]: spinoffs coming up so maybe it was

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_11]: planned I'll give them the benefit of it out turns

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_11]: out nope and

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_11]: people disappeared from Fear all the time Wendell

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_11]: and Sarah all the little

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_11]: kids that had to make their plan

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_06]: All the kids! Every kid in that

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_06]: oil refinery!

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_11]: So I think they just put that in there hoping

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_11]: someone would pick it up and roll with it. I would love to see

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_11]: Morgan again I think

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_11]: Lenny and James is awesome and Morgan's great

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_11]: when he's written well but

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_11]: unless they do some kind of

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_11]: a final thing where they can try

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_11]: to bring a bunch of people back I doubt

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_11]: we'll see him again. Peter and I were

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_06]: discussing David Morrissey and

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Andrew Lincoln and Lenny James so they

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_06]: were like I was like I just think sometimes

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_06]: British actors you get a lot

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_06]: of actors who and you get this in America as well

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not meaning to sound like in America your

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_06]: actors are all crap they're clearly not

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_06]: you have Melissa McBride for God's sake but

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_11]: there's a lot of great British actors for

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_06]: sure. Like Andrew Lincoln, David

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Morrissey and Lenny James all have really similar

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_06]: backgrounds in terms of

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_06]: like British

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_06]: like British TV dramas

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_06]: but also theatre also like

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_06]: lots of stuff on the west end and well not

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_06]: the west end but like other London

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_06]: new writing plays and things like that

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just like I just think it gives you a different

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_06]: kind of performer and Peter was just like

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah the walk and dead agrees because we were looking at

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_06]: the screen it was all just like British people putting

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_06]: on American accents.

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah even Lauren Cohan has a British accent

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_06]: right and I think the casting of

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Rick really opened that up I don't think

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_06]: they would necessarily have gone that way if they hadn't

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_06]: had Andrew Lincoln but then

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Lenny James is in the pilot so like

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_06]: but yeah it says a lot about how much we like

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Lenny James that even after fear of the

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_06]: walking dead were like we still like you Lenny

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_06]: you're still good

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_06]: okay and IMDbDive

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_06]: again some of these are really random

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_06]: to create Herschel's amputated leg

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_06]: the visual effects department has Scott Wilson

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_06]: where you're green sock Wilson said acting like

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_06]: you don't have a leg gives you muscles

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_06]: in places you didn't used to have

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah I remember seeing behind the scenes

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_11]: photos of him with that big green sock

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my god I'd love to

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_06]: The tattoos on Darrell's back are indeed real

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_06]: they are two of Norman Reedus's

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_06]: demons and he has a third one under his

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_06]: arm that way he always carries his

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_06]: demons with him I'm sure the

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Reedus fans will let me know if that's true or not

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_06]: A fact that Jason can verify

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_06]: the zombie extras are taught to

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_06]: gesture wildly only when they get shot in the head

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_11]: No I never told

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_11]: me that but they said I mean if you were

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_11]: gesturing wildly

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah you wouldn't be doing that

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_11]: losing his way with our arms around

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_11]: they told you to walk like you're drunk

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_06]: basically I'm acting like a British

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_11]: actor maybe some drunk people do that

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_11]: I did once

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_06]: when I'd had too much

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_06]: beer and I ran away because I wanted

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_06]: to Indian food and Peter had to chase

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_06]: me across a gas station

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_06]: car it was really near where we stayed

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_06]: in Glasgow actually Jason I'm sure we pointed

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_06]: to Peter's like this is the place where

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_06]: he got really drunk and ran away

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I paid for it the next day because I was very

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_06]: hungover and don't drink

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah your zombie practice

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean every time I got like

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_11]: I played

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_11]: you know I got shot a few times in the

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_11]: season 2 finale and then

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_11]: twice in the season 3 finale

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_11]: coming up and

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_11]: you know I just be shambling

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_11]: along and then as soon as

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_11]: I got shot I

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_11]: fall to the ground and

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_11]: you know be real dramatic about it

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_08]: just be like oh my god

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_08]: he really shot me

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_08]: first of all

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_08]: oh

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Don and Krueger Effect we've spoken about

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_06]: and no spoken dialogue in this episode for

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_06]: the first 5 minutes has also

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_06]: discussed so yeah

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_06]: that's cool yeah it's good it's a nice way

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_06]: to open the episode even if it doesn't

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_06]: fall over it snog in the air

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_11]: almost anytime the walking dead

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_11]: has things like that they're good

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah they are they are

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_11]: okay only on the walking dead would

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_11]: someone see a ghost and wonder

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_11]: what it was a sign of but not ask

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_11]: the ghost

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_06]: only on the walking dead would someone

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_06]: watch a man

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_06]: make out with a ghost and later

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_06]: decide that man was the love of their life

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_06]: I

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_06]: feel like Michelle and

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_06]: I love you girl but we gotta ask you

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_06]: some questions at this point

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_11]: she's like oh I've forgotten about that

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_11]: hmm she's like you see when we

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_06]: first met and Rick's like yeah she's like

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_06]: what was it with that fence and he's like

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_06]: what and she's like nevermind that was me and Laurie

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_11]: your wife

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I loved when Hersha was like an earthy hero

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_06]: right now can you see them now

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_06]: and Rick's like no

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_06]: oh bless him

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_01]: obvious threat to untold numbers of citizens

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_01]: of people it kills get up and

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_01]: are they slow moving

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah they're dead they're

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_01]: all messed up

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_10]: this is a walking dead cast

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_10]: news update

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_11]: so that since we

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_11]: podcasted last I went and saw the new

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_11]: alien movie alien Romulus

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_06]: how was it it was good

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_11]: it was a good horror alien movie

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean nothing will ever measure up to those first two

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_11]: but it was it was gross

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_08]: nice

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_11]: I recommend it if you're into alien

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_11]: it was more like

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_11]: the first alien which I

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_11]: liked the best you know a good

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_11]: scary horror movie but it had elements

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_11]: of its own thing and

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_11]: anyway I'm bringing that up because I read

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_11]: that the

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_11]: that Fede Alvarez who wrote and directed it

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_11]: said that one of the characters

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_11]: in the movie K

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_11]: was inspired by a character

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_11]: in The Last of Us part two

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_11]: game her name is Dina

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_11]: and

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_11]: he casts

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_11]: Isabella Merced as

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_11]: K who was inspired by this character

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_11]: of Dina and then Isabella Merced

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_11]: ended up being cast to play Dina in season

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_11]: two of The Last of Us coming up on HBO

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_11]: amazing interesting

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_06]: it was meant to be yeah

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_06]: we went to see a trap

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_11]: which one is that

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Josh Hartnett M Knight Shyamalan

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_06]: serial killer at a concert

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_06]: don't tell me the twist ending

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_06]: it was so entertaining it was garbage

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_06]: but it was so entertaining Hartnett was really

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_06]: good Hartnett was very good

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_11]: trailers made me want to go see it

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_11]: like I just realized

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_11]: pretty quickly I don't really like M

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_11]: Knight Shyamalan movies I think

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_11]: there's some really

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_11]: something really interesting about the vibe he creates

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_11]: that I love but

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_11]: the stories I feel like are just kind of dumb

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_11]: but maybe I'll go see that one I don't think

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I'd seen one in a long time

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_06]: but Hartnett honestly really really good

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_06]: in it but yeah it was cheesy F and like

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_06]: bits of it as soon as you put

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_06]: a slight bit of pressure on the logic

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_06]: you're like that would never happen but it was very enjoyable

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah right exactly

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_11]: just have to not do that I guess I did

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_11]: like servant the series that he did

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_06]: I need to go back and watch that

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah but yeah it's

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_06]: a proper I'm glad I went to see it in the cinema

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_06]: because it was just so extra

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah very enjoyable

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_11]: I think that would be the way to

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_11]: do a good M Knight Shyamalan movie is just really

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_11]: lean into the kookiness of it

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_11]: yes so speaking

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_11]: of the last of us wildlife

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_11]: researcher Chris Ketola posted

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_11]: a video on his Instagram of this

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_11]: tarantula infected with the cordyceps

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_11]: fungus because the cordyceps

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_11]: fungus that you see in the last of us

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_11]: came from

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_11]: it actually happens in the insect

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_11]: world so now you see this big tarantula

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_11]: and remember the clickers

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_11]: in last of us how they had

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_11]: things growing on their head this tarantula

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_11]: has them coming up all over its body

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_06]: just the worst thing you've ever told me

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_06]: oh my god

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_11]: I gotta read this part

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_11]: I gotta read this part for the listeners

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_11]: close your ears it's not that bad

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_11]: he this guy said

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_11]: it took over his nervous system

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_11]: the tarantula and forced him to come

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_11]: to this location and then as he died

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_11]: the fungus sprouted out of his body allowing

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_11]: the spores to spread to another unsuspecting

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_11]: tarantula

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_10]: oh

[01:00:54] I'm sorry

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_06]: oh that's made me feel so sick

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm literally

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_06]: gonna kill

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_11]: it's the last of us podcast we have to report this

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_11]: there's nothing I can do

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_06]: that is

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_06]: the world is gonna end

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_06]: no do not send me that

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_11]: link in the show notes Lucy

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_06]: oh don't

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_06]: no ew

[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_06]: okay let's move on

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_11]: the last thing is

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_11]: about

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm trying to think of something gross

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_11]: about

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_08]: it's a big boogers

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_08]: yeah boogers

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_08]: still better

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_11]: no season 3

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_11]: of the Daryl show has started filming

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_11]: in Madrid Spain

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_11]: so season 2 is not out yet

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_11]: it comes out September 29th

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_11]: but season 3 is filming

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_11]: the official title is gonna be

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_11]: The Walking Dead Darryl Dixon

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_11]: the book of Carol chapter 3

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_11]: Morgan Returns you know what it is

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_11]: so

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_11]: just kidding but it is filming

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_11]: on espanyol

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah it's gonna be in spanish

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_11]: and also along those

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_11]: same lines if you have amc plus

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_11]: there's going to be an hour long special

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_11]: looking ahead to season 2

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_11]: called The Walking Dead Darryl Dixon

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_11]: The Return that will air

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_11]: September 29th the same night as

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_11]: the season 2 premiere in case people

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_11]: wanna check that out

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_06]: that's exciting

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I saw an article that Norman Reedus

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_06]: had been spotted in Palma which is a little touristy

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_06]: bit of Spain that one of my friends really loves

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_06]: going to and they always stay in this really

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_06]: cute apartment and I was like

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_06]: this is a very niche intersection of our

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_06]: interests but Norman Reedus is

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_06]: in Palma

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if he's still there

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_11]: he's living it up

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_11]: next it'll be

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_11]: Walking Dead Hawaii

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_11]: we'll finally get our Walking Dead Hawaii

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_11]: oh my god that would be amazing

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_11]: alright let's move on to listen

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_11]: Rowan's Grunts

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_08]: okay

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_06]: egyptian baphomet samara wakama

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm sorry if I said that wrong

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_06]: says I really do wonder what kind of person

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Axl would have become had he not been killed

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_06]: off in this episode I was starting to like the fella

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_06]: he was funny awkward and more than

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_06]: a little endearing absolutely all about

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_06]: that facial hair itch pattern I think

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_11]: and when he would go to Walker

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_11]: Starker at least Lou Temple the actor

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_11]: he'd have that mustache

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_11]: then you could always recognize him

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_11]: Beth Payeri says

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_11]: quote he's Korean

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_11]: this episode and that line marked a

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_11]: change in Daryl's growth for me me too

[01:03:30] [SPEAKER_11]: him being able to walk away from his

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_11]: brother showed strength Herschel's

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_11]: compassion really shines through in this episode

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_11]: when Axl says that he's better on

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_11]: the inside with rules and such then you

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_11]: know that he couldn't survive in the Z

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_11]: a yeah I guess I was kind of thinking

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_11]: that too yeah the governor is so

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_11]: duplicitous telling Andrea that he

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_11]: that he should give up power but then

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_11]: going in guns blazing cold hearted

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_11]: ice-full shit I always hated

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_11]: the scenes with Rick hallucinating

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_11]: because I just don't think a man

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_11]: in his position would go through that

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_11]: but I guess I've never been there

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah what do you mean like

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_11]: he's been through shit hell

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_11]: I think

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_11]: I could totally understand it

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Glenn really takes charge here

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_11]: he's ready to make plans and get shit done

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_11]: that's true that's one good thing for him

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_11]: I have such a spot

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_11]: of some sort for Milton

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_11]: I would say a soft spot

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah me too I love Milton

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Billy Thompson says

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I love Carol's line we're not assassins

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_06]: just shows how angry Greg

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_06]: just shows how angry

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Greg Glenn is still he's not

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_06]: thinking realistically at all but at the same time

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_06]: still managing to be a good leader when Rick is absent

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Darrell is already completely

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_06]: different than Merle and I think they both

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_06]: realize this almost instantly

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_06]: when this all comes to a head just after the bridge

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm so proud of Darrell it's like the birth

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_06]: of the Darrell we get for seasons to come

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_06]: zombie kill of the week Darrell

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_06]: smashing the Z heads in the boot of the car

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_06]: woohoo baby I love it

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_06]: seeing Herschel trying to calm Glenn down

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_06]: got me wondering what would Herschel have been like

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_06]: with two legs in this situation

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_06]: would he physically would he have physically

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_06]: stopped Glenn would he have gone to Woodbury

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_06]: would he have been the leader instead of Glenn

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_06]: when Rick's wandering crazy town

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_06]: I think we covered that Billy

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah we were interested by that too

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_06]: anyway a lot of things said in this episode

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_06]: that needed to be and ends with a bang

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_06]: better episode than I remember

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_06]: thanks guys bye

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_06]: we are off of mind Billy

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean I don't know

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_11]: you wonder like Herschel could

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_11]: still lead without he doesn't need

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_11]: a leg to lead

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know maybe you

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_11]: could it would be reasonable

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_11]: if someone just

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_11]: like in yellow jackets

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_11]: hope people don't mind spoilers for this one

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_11]: but there's character in that who you think would be a leader

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_11]: who lost a leg and is really

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_11]: fucked up by it and so doesn't

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_11]: lead but Herschel's not coming

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_11]: off that way he's coming off like actually

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_11]: if he put his mind to it he

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_11]: could just start going okay look guys this is what I think

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_11]: we need to do

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah exactly

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_06]: spaghetti Tuesdays

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_11]: from now on that's going to solve all our problems

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_11]: um

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_11]: there was something else he said

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_11]: that I was going to reply oh I love

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_11]: that you said zombie killer of the week because it makes

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_11]: me think Billy that maybe you've been listening

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_11]: to this podcast for a long time

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_11]: when we used to do that every episode

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_11]: Andy Fisher says

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_11]: quote we can't stay here we can't run

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_11]: my favorite aspect of the walking dead is that

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_11]: it puts you inside extreme situations

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_11]: and asks you what would you do

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_11]: young love pushed to the limits

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_11]: a crazy brother your father's going insane

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_11]: a savage powerful

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_11]: an insane enemy

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_11]: if you had all that stuff going on

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_11]: which some of them do

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_11]: the episode makes me think of the wonderful

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_11]: title scene music

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_11]: relentless unstoppable and everything about to explode

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_11]: the threat of the dead

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_11]: is always there but it's the characters

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_11]: trying to figure this crazy shit out that

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_11]: makes me fall in love with this show over and over

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah absolutely

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_11]: my favorite scenes one Michelle

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_11]: and sizing up Glen as she agrees to help him

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_11]: kill the governor

[01:07:06] [SPEAKER_11]: two back off

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_11]: beiner

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_11]: three right helplessly

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_11]: following around the ghost of his dead wife

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_11]: four I can't go with you

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm not sure what that one's

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_11]: I guess oh Herschel

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_11]: saying he can't go with Glenn

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_11]: five you're quite a lady

[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_11]: is that the governor

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_11]: saying that to Andrea I'm not sure

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_11]: six the fight with the governor at the end of

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_11]: the episode can you tell me of a better fight

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_11]: scene in any episode of the walking dead

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah I'm sure there's got to be some later on

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_11]: but this is a pretty good one

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_11]: and the brothers coming back

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_11]: to save the day mind blown

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_11]: seven the writing the acting the set

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_11]: design the directing come on

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_11]: it's this must be one of the greatest

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_11]: episodes of the show five pizzas in a ring

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_06]: I love that he always does five

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_06]: pieces all right

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_11]: really happy yeah I like continuity

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_11]: that's good yeah

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_11]: here is the return of Robin

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Robin hey y'all

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_04]: it's me Robin I'm back

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_04]: you I bet you thought you'd never heard from me again

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_04]: it's been quite a summer

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I I feel like Odysseus

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I've had to go home to Ithaca

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_04]: twice this summer

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_04]: first I went for my grandson's

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_04]: high school graduation

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_04]: which I gotta tell you was a trip

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_04]: and then I just

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_04]: got back a couple days ago from my actual

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_04]: 50th high school reunion

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_04]: which if you don't think that's not a trip

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_04]: just wait and go to yours

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_04]: it's a major trip

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_04]: it ended up being fun

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_04]: but it was oh god

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_04]: it was awful but

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_04]: first I wanted to talk a little bit I know

[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_04]: you've talked about Glenn and Maggie I just want to mention

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_04]: a little couple things about it I think the thing

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_04]: with rape because it is the first

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_04]: and worst you know

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_04]: weapon of war and it's the worst

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_04]: thing that most men can think of to do to

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_04]: a person and it is the worst

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_04]: thing that a person they can do to a person

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_04]: but

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that in Maggie's case

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_04]: she could hear Glenn being

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_04]: brutalized in the other room

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_04]: he could not hear what was going on with her

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_04]: she heard

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Merle beating him up heard the walker

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_04]: heard the fight then the

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_04]: governor comes in and says he's gonna bring Glenn's

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_04]: hand in

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_04]: the worst thing for Maggie at that point was

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_04]: she was sitting in that room and could hear everything

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_04]: and could do nothing to help Glenn

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_04]: the person that she loved most in the

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_04]: world she could not help

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and that was worse

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_04]: even she said to the governor do what you gotta do

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_04]: in a very flat

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_04]: voice because the worst had already

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_04]: happened Glenn doesn't know that though

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_04]: he thinks that

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_04]: she's lying to him he thinks that

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_04]: she's not telling him what really happened

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_04]: in there and because

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_04]: it's about

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_04]: the girl that he loves more than anything

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_04]: in the world and her

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_04]: her body

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_04]: her sexuality

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_04]: it becomes about him

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_04]: in his mind somehow because he couldn't

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_04]: help her either so the two of them

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_04]: have this wedge between them

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_04]: because they couldn't help

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_04]: the other one and they each

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Maggie does know the worst that happened

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Glenn doesn't and I think

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_04]: that when he they go they're back in the prison

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_04]: he asks her in the

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_04]: in the cell

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_04]: what are we going to talk about this and she says

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_04]: it didn't happen it did

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_04]: not happen and she

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_04]: tells him what he did in that flat

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_04]: emotionless voice tells him

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_04]: what the governor did and

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_04]: looking him in the eye and he still

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_04]: doesn't believe her

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_04]: and the only time at that point

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_04]: that she shows any emotion at all

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_04]: is when she says I could hear what they were doing to you

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_04]: what could I do

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_04]: what could I do

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_04]: so the thing that

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_04]: should draw them the closest that they love each other

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_04]: and that they wanted to help one another

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_04]: and they wanted to rescue one another is the thing

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_04]: that drives them apart

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_04]: because Glenn

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_04]: isn't young

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_04]: he doesn't know and he won't believe her

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_04]: he doesn't know how to behave

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_04]: he doesn't know what to do and he does

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_04]: tend to make those things about himself

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_04]: he made it about himself in

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Nebraska when he was

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_04]: paralyzed with fear

[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and couldn't help ricken Herschel against those

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_04]: guys that they ended up killing

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_04]: he made that all about himself too

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_04]: he's so insecure in his manhood

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_04]: that he can't

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_04]: just step up and say

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Maggie I'm here

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm here it's okay for you he just wants to talk

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_04]: about it

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_04]: and a lot of times women don't want to talk about it

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_04]: they just don't

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_04]: so that's my thought on it

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if it's valuable or not

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_11]: she got cut off a little bit later

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_11]: halfway through her thoughts so I just

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_11]: cut it off there but it's great to hear from you Robin

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_11]: for one thing I'm glad you're

[01:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: still with us

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_11]: I feel like

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_11]: you and I have a lot of similarities on what we think

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_11]: happened

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_11]: especially when you said

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_11]: he's not secure enough in his manhood

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_11]: that sort of matched up with

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_11]: what I was saying this time

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_11]: maybe the part that you didn't touch on

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_11]: is

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_11]: he maybe in part

[01:12:07] [SPEAKER_11]: and not rationally blames some of what happened

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_11]: on Maggie and is angry with her

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_11]: for it

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_11]: so I'm curious Robin if you agree or disagree

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_11]: with that but I think it could all be wrapped up in there

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_11]: it's just confusing and complicated

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_11]: for Morgan

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_06]: it's trauma

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_06]: it's really hard to unpack

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_06]: clear retro

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_06]: who I was thinking about just the other day

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_06]: because I was putting up a picture

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_06]: that her daughter drew in my new

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_06]: so hi clear

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_06]: hi Jason Lucy and everyone else

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_06]: I've been along for the rewatch from the beginning

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_06]: and I'm loving everything the amazing smart hilarious

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_06]: dead cast is doing

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_06]: you guys bring a smile to my face for so many reasons

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_06]: oh thanks Claire

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_06]: I love the prison storyline so much

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_06]: the showrunners did a stellar job but I do

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_06]: wish Frank Darabont

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_06]: could have directed them in those prison hallways

[01:12:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Rick Michonne, Carl, Darrell

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Maggie and Herschel all have so many pivotal moments

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_06]: in season 3

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_06]: we probably have the most complex villain in the universe

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_06]: also

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_06]: the acting throughout is at its best

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_06]: and the story at its most captivating

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_06]: I love season 2 also but I will admit

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I played a lot more backgammon and solitaire on my phone

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_06]: when we were on the farm

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_06]: whilst not my favourite season season 3

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_06]: is probably the closest to perfection

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_06]: other than slightly disappointing

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_06]: mid-season and season finales

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_06]: and a few nitpicks

[01:13:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Laurie's body disappearing altogether

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_06]: bones and all and burying one body in three graves

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_06]: it's well done on nearly every

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_06]: angle with a strong arc for everyone

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_06]: I can't believe you and Lucy have only seen the show once

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_06]: it makes it better to listen to you

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_06]: because you're surprised by so many things

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_06]: I should say Claire, I have seen some episodes

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_06]: more than once but there are

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_06]: I also just have a very bad memory

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean I watched them all at least

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_11]: twice when we were podcasting

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_11]: and many of them

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_11]: probably at least three times but

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_06]: it's the time since isn't it

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_11]: because I would only watch

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_11]: during that season multiple times

[01:13:59] [SPEAKER_11]: and then haven't in years since

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_11]: same

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Claire says I've probably watched the first seven or so seasons

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_06]: at least five times

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_06]: what can I say watching other people dealing with their trauma

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_06]: helped me with mine

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_06]: I haven't written or called in in a long time

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_06]: mostly because I'm busy but a little

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_06]: because I'm going through some emotional stuff

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_06]: and it's too hard to communicate

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm sorry to hear that Claire

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_06]: but aside from that I want to say how much I love

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_06]: and appreciate this community

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm grateful to hear friendly familiar voices

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_06]: as we talk about all the things

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_06]: not just having a conversation about our favourite

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_06]: television show but sharing little parts

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_06]: of our lives maybe sharing a few big parts too

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_06]: it brings me so much joy

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_06]: and has become important to me

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_06]: there's so much racing through my head right now

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_06]: and I wish you could articulate it all

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_06]: just know that I love and appreciate you all

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_06]: God bless and don't get bit, Claire

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_11]: Thanks Claire

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_11]: It's nice to hear

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_11]: it's good to hear from you too

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_11]: That part about watching other people deal

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_11]: with their trauma helps me with mine

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_11]: that's kind of yeah what

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_11]: I love that because that's why it's good

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_11]: for them not to just be

[01:15:01] [SPEAKER_11]: smooth sailing through all this

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_11]: they have to work it out

[01:15:04] [SPEAKER_11]: and it sort of inspires us to do the same

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, exactly

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay

[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_11]: Chantelle Schmale says

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_11]: Hey guys, thanks for the don't get bit

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_11]: shout out a couple weeks ago

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_11]: I literally squeaked with delight

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_11]: That's good

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_11]: Hope you didn't get bit

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_11]: Fun fact, the actress who played Dr. Stevens

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_11]: is Donzalee Abernathy

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_11]: Miss Abernathy is a character

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_11]: actress with a pretty great range

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_11]: Wait, who's Dr. Stevens?

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, you mentioned

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_06]: them last? Yeah, they mentioned Doc Stevens

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_06]: in last week's episode but I didn't realise

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_06]: they'd recast Doc Stevens as a woman

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_06]: which is fantastic but yeah

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_06]: there is a doctor who tells the governor

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_06]: like don't get

[01:15:45] [SPEAKER_06]: back up like you need to rest

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, she says don't get bit

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_06]: I bet this is who we're referring to

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_11]: Oh okay, yes

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_11]: Who's in the room with him sometimes

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_11]: when he's questioning people and stuff

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_11]: Miss Abernathy is a character actress with a pretty great range

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_11]: and in my opinion one of the coolest things about her

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_11]: her father is the civil rights leader Revin

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_11]: Ralph Abernathy

[01:16:06] [SPEAKER_11]: He helped organise the Montgomery bus boycott

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_11]: and was on the balcony when Dr. King

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_11]: was assassinated

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_11]: He also had a crazy crush on my grandmother

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_11]: back in the day, LOL

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Amazing

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_06]: That's pretty cool

[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_11]: My understanding is that Miss Abernathy was none too pleased

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_11]: to find out how diminished her role was

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_11]: on the show, she thought she'd have

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_11]: more to do, I didn't even know

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_11]: like now that you're saying

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah, now I remember there was a doctor by his side

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_11]: a couple of times

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_11]: she thought she'd have more to do given what the character did

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_11]: in the comics, I wish she'd been given more

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_11]: I really liked that actress

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, she was great

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_11]: I think Rick's response to Michonne

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_11]: is really his response to his shock of feeling so

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_11]: instantly and intensely drawn to her

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm getting that too

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_11]: especially since Laurie's only been dead

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_11]: like 48 hours

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_11]: I think he was having an internal

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_11]: battle with himself over it and was also fighting

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_11]: the insanity triggered by the fact that

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_11]: Laurie's been dead like 48 hours

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_11]: My son and I are watching the show together

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_11]: he's finally old enough to want to

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_11]: and we haven't caught up to your

[01:17:08] [SPEAKER_11]: rewatch coverage yet, so forgive me if this didn't

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_11]: happen in the Suicide King as I'm going off

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_11]: memory quote or

[01:17:14] [SPEAKER_11]: it broke my heart to watch Michonne beg

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_11]: and barter to not be left behind at Woodbury

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah, there was so much

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_11]: desperation there, I hated that

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_11]: I'll know I'll cry when the kid and I rewatch that

[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_11]: point, reach that point in the show

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh yeah

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, last thing I'll say is this, I agree with Miss

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_11]: Renee, Andrea asked Michonne

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_11]: why they should leave and Michonne told her

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_11]: that her gut feelings kept both of them alive

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_11]: all winter and that

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_11]: God is telling her it's time to go

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_11]: Michonne's got not Andrea's, if they trusted

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_11]: Andrea's gut all winter

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_11]: neither of them would be alive to even get to Woodbury

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_11]: in the first place

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_11]: the first attractive man who

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_11]: we didn't see that, we didn't see what happened between them

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_11]: but she did say that, yeah

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_11]: the first attractive man who would have come along

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_11]: bam, Andrea's gut would have had them both signed up

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_11]: for his cult immediately

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_11]: LOL

[01:18:01] [SPEAKER_11]: she isn't using reasoning skills, I presume

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_11]: she developed in law school at all

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_11]: she bugs me, well just

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_11]: again in her favor, I'll say there's a lot of really smart

[01:18:09] [SPEAKER_11]: people who end up in cults

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_11]: and the first thing they tell you

[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_11]: when they teach you how

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_11]: to help people

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_11]: sort of heal from that

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_11]: is not to say it was their fault

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_11]: or that I could have

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_11]: totally, if it was me

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_11]: I wouldn't have fallen for it, you know because

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_11]: we actually all fall for things in under the right circumstances

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_11]: I believe this

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_11]: maybe everyone doesn't

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_11]: but I believe that any of us could fall for something

[01:18:35] [SPEAKER_11]: like that under the right circumstances

[01:18:38] [SPEAKER_11]: but she bugs me too

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_11]: so yeah

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_06]: but also she's the worst

[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_11]: she says, okay that's all I've got

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_11]: thank you, oh one last thing

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_11]: regardless of where you live, please check your voter registration

[01:18:49] [SPEAKER_11]: even if you know your register

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_11]: double check, some states are purging voter rolls

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_11]: so better safe than sorry

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_11]: let's bring this thing home

[01:18:56] [SPEAKER_11]: quote, we are each other's harvest

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_11]: we are each other's business, we are each other's magnitude

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_11]: and bond, Gwendolyn Brooks

[01:19:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I love that

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_11]: yes, thank you Shantel

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_11]: if you go to

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_11]: vote.org it's a great site

[01:19:10] [SPEAKER_11]: it's nonpartisan

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_11]: it will help you figure out whether you're registered

[01:19:14] [SPEAKER_11]: and then how to register in your state

[01:19:16] [SPEAKER_11]: and also how to vote in your state

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_11]: if you want to vote early or where to go

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_11]: if you want to vote on election day

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_11]: so I recommend that vote.org

[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_06]: can you vote for

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Carol

[01:19:27] [SPEAKER_11]: you can write Carol in

[01:19:29] [SPEAKER_11]: okay, Carol from the Walking Dead

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_11]: just do it

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_08]: do it dad

[01:19:35] [SPEAKER_08]: do it dad

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_11]: alright

[01:19:39] [SPEAKER_11]: here's a message from Carissa

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: hey this is Carissa

[01:19:43] [SPEAKER_01]: from PDX

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: talking about

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_00]: season 2, episode 10

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm

[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_00]: forgetting how much

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Rick struggled with his mental health

[01:19:59] [SPEAKER_00]: throughout the entire series

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and it just kind of started

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_00]: with

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Laurie's death

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and I don't know, I think it's kind of cool

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_00]: how they are portraying

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_00]: the various traumatic reactions

[01:20:11] [SPEAKER_00]: to the zombie apocalypse

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and one of them is

[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_00]: extreme mental breakdowns

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and this is not his last one

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_00]: so it's just really interesting

[01:20:22] [SPEAKER_00]: to see this

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_00]: with his character

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_00]: the stuff with Merle

[01:20:28] [SPEAKER_00]: and Daryl

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_00]: like the one

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_00]: super sad part was before Daryl

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_00]: walked away where he saw the scars on his back

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and they both kind of

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_00]: had this

[01:20:40] [SPEAKER_00]: back and forth

[01:20:42] [SPEAKER_00]: remembering their traumatic childhoods

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and how Daryl apparently carried

[01:20:46] [SPEAKER_00]: that resentment towards Merle

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_00]: for leaving him because he was the baby

[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and his father

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_00]: abused him when there was no other

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_00]: child around to abuse

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: apparently so that was really sad

[01:20:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and also Merle

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_00]: had that same jealousy that Shane

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_00]: had about Rick and Daryl's relationship

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_00]: it reminded me of Shane

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_00]: how

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_00]: like Rick and Daryl

[01:21:10] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it's like their connections

[01:21:15] [SPEAKER_00]: with Shane and Merle

[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_00]: it was almost like

[01:21:19] [SPEAKER_00]: they had to grow out of those connections

[01:21:21] [SPEAKER_00]: or something like maybe something about those

[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_00]: relationships were holding them back

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I think is really clear with Merle

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_00]: but maybe not as clear

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_00]: with Shane but I think it's kind of the same thing

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_00]: and then like

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_11]: also

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah it's similar because

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_11]: I think it took Rick a long time to

[01:21:41] [SPEAKER_11]: realize

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_11]: the extent

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_11]: of how bad it was

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_11]: with Shane you know

[01:21:47] [SPEAKER_11]: of how far he'd gone and everything

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_11]: and how he couldn't be helped

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah

[01:21:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say

[01:21:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I love Renee so much

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I enjoy listening to her

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_00]: calls so much

[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I hope she hears this, I just

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_00]: so delighted when I hear her voice

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_00]: when I'm listening

[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_00]: to the review episode

[01:22:10] [SPEAKER_00]: so that's pretty cool

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_00]: and really quickly hopefully if I have

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_00]: time I wanted to comment on the

[01:22:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Michonne and her pets

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_00]: thing being racist

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm black

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_00]: not that that means a super

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_00]: but just for context

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like sometimes like

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_00]: black performers and actors

[01:22:31] [SPEAKER_00]: dealing with

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_00]: the burden of racism

[01:22:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like sometimes it's

[01:22:36] [SPEAKER_00]: like

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_00]: it's just

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of affects the roles

[01:22:40] [SPEAKER_00]: they can take and how

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_00]: when they take these roles I feel like it affects

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_00]: how people view them because it's always

[01:22:46] [SPEAKER_00]: through that

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_00]: lens of race and it's not really a

[01:22:50] [SPEAKER_00]: dig on anyone it's just kind of this fact

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_00]: that's kind of sad

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_00]: they just don't have the same freedom as

[01:22:56] [SPEAKER_00]: as white actors in my opinion

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and maybe it's kind of the same for women as well

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I think

[01:23:01] [SPEAKER_00]: so that's my tiny little comment on that

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_00]: as usual

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_00]: love listening to this

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I catch up when I can

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_00]: so I can leave a comment

[01:23:12] [SPEAKER_00]: life's getting busy with the kiddos and I'm at the school

[01:23:14] [SPEAKER_00]: and everything but I am still

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_00]: listening and catching up with you guys

[01:23:17] [SPEAKER_00]: love you bye

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_00]: aww that's great

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah that thing you said

[01:23:24] [SPEAKER_11]: it reminds me of something

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_11]: that happened on this podcast which is

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_11]: I always

[01:23:30] [SPEAKER_11]: thought

[01:23:32] [SPEAKER_11]: that Rick and Michonne

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_11]: should get together

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know when I started thinking that

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_11]: but definitely when they were on the road together

[01:23:40] [SPEAKER_11]: headed to Terminus

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_11]: and kind of

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_11]: learning around and stuff

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_11]: I thought yeah I think they're headed that way and I like it

[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_11]: and then when they

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_11]: did get together they hooked up

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_11]: they were in this house and they started

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_11]: making out and

[01:23:54] [SPEAKER_11]: the way it was staged it just

[01:23:57] [SPEAKER_11]: I thought it was weird

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_11]: I

[01:24:00] [SPEAKER_11]: mentioned it on the podcast

[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_11]: I probably didn't articulate it well

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_11]: again when I went back and looked it's mostly about

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_11]: Rick he's got his mouth open

[01:24:09] [SPEAKER_11]: in a weird way and he's like crying while he's

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_11]: kissing her you know

[01:24:11] [SPEAKER_06]: but it's also like the camera's kind of

[01:24:14] [SPEAKER_06]: above them and it's just a bit like

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_06]: who's filming this

[01:24:18] [SPEAKER_11]: I wanted it to feel like oh yeah

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_11]: so romantic sexy try and it was like

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_11]: why are they staging it this way

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_11]: it's so weird and I think I said

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_11]: it was creepy and there were

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_11]: some black listeners who were really offended

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_11]: by the way I described it and said that

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_11]: um it seemed racist

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_11]: and I was talking with

[01:24:36] [SPEAKER_11]: them on Twitter like I

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_11]: you know I have to ask myself that when I get

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_11]: accused of something like that

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_11]: I look inside first was there some part of

[01:24:45] [SPEAKER_11]: that that was had something to do and I

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_11]: really thought about it and I'm like no has nothing

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_11]: to do with anybody skin color it was all about

[01:24:50] [SPEAKER_11]: the staging of it in the weirdness

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_11]: mostly of Rick the way he was kissing her

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_11]: and so I said that and they're like well

[01:24:57] [SPEAKER_11]: you should still apologize and I was like

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't want to apologize for something

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_11]: when I don't feel that in my heart

[01:25:02] [SPEAKER_11]: and I also want

[01:25:04] [SPEAKER_11]: more to what Karissa you just

[01:25:07] [SPEAKER_11]: said to give

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_11]: any person

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_11]: no matter what color they are the respect

[01:25:12] [SPEAKER_11]: of talking about them the way that I talk

[01:25:14] [SPEAKER_11]: about anybody else so yeah

[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_11]: it was a big thing for Rick and

[01:25:18] [SPEAKER_11]: Michonne to get together and I

[01:25:21] [SPEAKER_11]: think people love that who like

[01:25:24] [SPEAKER_11]: positive representation which I also like

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_11]: and

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_11]: they thought that should just be

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_11]: celebrated and I can respect

[01:25:31] [SPEAKER_11]: that but I didn't feel that way and I want to

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_11]: be able to talk about

[01:25:34] [SPEAKER_11]: any character and say how I honestly

[01:25:37] [SPEAKER_11]: feel regardless of what color they are

[01:25:38] [SPEAKER_11]: and to me as actually respect I won't

[01:25:41] [SPEAKER_11]: pretend I can't say anything

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_11]: if there's a black person involved because

[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_11]: they might take it as a sign of racism

[01:25:47] [SPEAKER_11]: no I'm going to

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_11]: be just as negative about it as I would

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_11]: with any character if that's how I feel

[01:25:52] [SPEAKER_11]: you know but it really hurt me

[01:25:54] [SPEAKER_11]: that they said that and that they wouldn't

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_11]: engage

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_11]: with me on it and try to understand

[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_11]: where I was really coming from and I was

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_11]: going to bring it up on the podcast but I

[01:26:04] [SPEAKER_11]: decided not to because it was just

[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_11]: a conversation on Twitter and I felt

[01:26:08] [SPEAKER_11]: at the time that maybe

[01:26:10] [SPEAKER_11]: it wasn't the right time to bring

[01:26:13] [SPEAKER_11]: that in and I didn't have the facility

[01:26:15] [SPEAKER_11]: to talk about it but since we've been talking about

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_11]: that kind of thing more on the podcast lately and I'm so

[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_11]: I feel like maybe you guys know where I'm

[01:26:21] [SPEAKER_11]: coming from more I decided to go ahead and

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_11]: talk about it now and maybe I shouldn't have

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know but that's what it reminded me of

[01:26:27] [SPEAKER_11]: and then after that

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_11]: after that I loved Rick and Michonne

[01:26:31] [SPEAKER_11]: I thought they had great chemistry

[01:26:32] [SPEAKER_11]: and when they were romantic together later

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_11]: like in The Ones Who Live it was awesome so I really

[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_11]: just think it was the staging of that

[01:26:39] [SPEAKER_06]: scene. It's okay because Twitter

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_06]: is broken anyway now so no one can hurt you.

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah. Twitter is fucked up

[01:26:44] [SPEAKER_06]: but I loved those. Twitter is just the worst.

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_11]: The listeners who were involved with that

[01:26:48] [SPEAKER_11]: they brought in another

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_11]: person who didn't know me and she was really coming

[01:26:52] [SPEAKER_11]: at me and I tried to be really respectful

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_11]: to her too but I think they stopped

[01:26:56] [SPEAKER_11]: listening and that makes me sad because

[01:26:57] [SPEAKER_11]: I like them and I wish they were still listening.

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. I guess

[01:27:02] [SPEAKER_06]: it's hard isn't it because

[01:27:04] [SPEAKER_06]: it was such a big thing in a way to have

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Rick and Michonne get together

[01:27:08] [SPEAKER_06]: and to see a powerful black

[01:27:10] [SPEAKER_06]: woman in that position.

[01:27:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah. It's hard. It's a tricky one.

[01:27:14] [SPEAKER_11]: It is. Yeah and I'm sure

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_11]: I could have handled it better and really paid

[01:27:18] [SPEAKER_11]: respect to that part of it and celebrated

[01:27:20] [SPEAKER_11]: it so

[01:27:22] [SPEAKER_06]: not just replied an abusive gift.

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah and said screw you guys.

[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm going home. No. I tried.

[01:27:28] [SPEAKER_11]: I tried. I did try.

[01:27:31] [SPEAKER_11]: Let's move on.

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_06]: I always love hearing from Chris

[01:27:34] [SPEAKER_06]: that. Absolutely.

[01:27:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Danielle Dementiost says

[01:27:37] [SPEAKER_06]: the Glen and Mike storyline is complicated and difficult.

[01:27:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Glen is so fixated on whether

[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_06]: the governor did or did not rape Maggie

[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_06]: that he overlooks the significance of the sexual assault

[01:27:47] [SPEAKER_06]: she endured. He seems to feel like

[01:27:48] [SPEAKER_06]: if the governor did not actually rape her

[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_06]: she wouldn't be so upset so assume she's keeping

[01:27:52] [SPEAKER_06]: something from him. Danielle I have tried

[01:27:54] [SPEAKER_06]: to articulate this and you've just articulated

[01:27:56] [SPEAKER_06]: it back on. I couldn't

[01:27:58] [SPEAKER_06]: agree more.

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_06]: In this episode Maggie spells out everything

[01:28:02] [SPEAKER_06]: the governor did to her and Glen's only response

[01:28:04] [SPEAKER_06]: to the question is to question

[01:28:06] [SPEAKER_06]: whether or not he raped her. He feels to

[01:28:08] [SPEAKER_06]: recognize the trauma that Maggie has been through

[01:28:11] [SPEAKER_06]: because the governor did not actually force intercourse

[01:28:13] [SPEAKER_06]: on her but the violation she has endured

[01:28:15] [SPEAKER_06]: and the memory of the fear and helplessness

[01:28:17] [SPEAKER_06]: she experienced is plenty for her

[01:28:19] [SPEAKER_06]: to be struggling with. I cautiously

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_06]: say that this is not an unrealistic portrayal

[01:28:23] [SPEAKER_06]: of how some men view sexual assault.

[01:28:25] [SPEAKER_06]: The other aspect of course is that Glen

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_06]: is making this all about him and takes it

[01:28:29] [SPEAKER_06]: upon himself to imply to the group that she's

[01:28:31] [SPEAKER_06]: been raped rather than allowing her to

[01:28:33] [SPEAKER_06]: process and share or not share

[01:28:35] [SPEAKER_06]: her experience in her own way and in her own time.

[01:28:38] [SPEAKER_06]: He feels a certain degree

[01:28:39] [SPEAKER_06]: of ownership over Maggie's sexuality

[01:28:40] [SPEAKER_06]: and feels that his turf has been infringed upon.

[01:28:43] [SPEAKER_06]: He wants revenge as though something

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_06]: has been done to him and Maggie sees it.

[01:28:47] [SPEAKER_06]: She's pissed at him because he is less

[01:28:49] [SPEAKER_06]: worried about how she is doing and supporting her

[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_06]: than he is with defending his honor

[01:28:53] [SPEAKER_06]: as the one Maggie belongs to.

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.

[01:28:56] [SPEAKER_11]: And I mean just the part where she said

[01:29:00] [SPEAKER_11]: she started

[01:29:01] [SPEAKER_11]: defending why she took her shirt

[01:29:03] [SPEAKER_11]: off is really what makes me think

[01:29:05] [SPEAKER_11]: there's that piece of not only

[01:29:08] [SPEAKER_11]: about him

[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_11]: thinking, oh, you know

[01:29:11] [SPEAKER_11]: I don't believe you because

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_11]: you seem like something

[01:29:14] [SPEAKER_11]: worse than what you're saying happened

[01:29:16] [SPEAKER_11]: as if what happened wasn't worse enough.

[01:29:18] [SPEAKER_11]: That's true as well but just the fact that

[01:29:21] [SPEAKER_11]: she is like

[01:29:23] [SPEAKER_11]: I didn't have a choice okay. I took off my

[01:29:25] [SPEAKER_11]: shirt because he told me to because I didn't want them to chop your hand off

[01:29:27] [SPEAKER_11]: makes me think that she senses

[01:29:29] [SPEAKER_11]: that he's somehow blaming her

[01:29:31] [SPEAKER_11]: for it or thinking that she

[01:29:33] [SPEAKER_11]: enjoyed it or I don't know

[01:29:34] [SPEAKER_11]: that somehow it's just a

[01:29:36] [SPEAKER_11]: slide on him that that happened to her.

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:29:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Danielle goes on to say rape or the threat

[01:29:42] [SPEAKER_06]: that has been used as a weapon of war since time began.

[01:29:45] [SPEAKER_06]: Soldiers rape young women in front

[01:29:46] [SPEAKER_06]: of their fathers, brothers and husbands

[01:29:48] [SPEAKER_06]: to remind men how powerless they are.

[01:29:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Women become the victims in these contests

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_06]: of mchismo as though the women themselves

[01:29:54] [SPEAKER_06]: are only an extension of the men.

[01:29:56] [SPEAKER_06]: It devalues women in such a fundamental way

[01:29:59] [SPEAKER_06]: and it leaves women feeling unloved

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_06]: and without their own unique importance.

[01:30:02] [SPEAKER_06]: What happened to Maggie is no longer

[01:30:04] [SPEAKER_06]: about her at all but about Glenn and the

[01:30:06] [SPEAKER_06]: governor and it infuriates her and leaves

[01:30:08] [SPEAKER_06]: her conflicted about her feelings for Glenn.

[01:30:10] [SPEAKER_06]: I must say it left me rather conflicted

[01:30:12] [SPEAKER_06]: about my feelings for Glenn at the time as well.

[01:30:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Sorry if this has been talked to death already

[01:30:16] [SPEAKER_06]: but I just wanted to put in my two cents.

[01:30:19] [SPEAKER_06]: For the last couple of months

[01:30:20] [SPEAKER_06]: I've been giving my entertainment time and energy

[01:30:22] [SPEAKER_06]: to Marvel and finishing my re-watch

[01:30:24] [SPEAKER_06]: of The Walking Dead with my son his first

[01:30:26] [SPEAKER_06]: time. We are now starting World

[01:30:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Beyond, Good Choice.

[01:30:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Skipping fear entirely, even better choice.

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm happy to be back on track with you

[01:30:33] [SPEAKER_06]: on your re-watch now and look forward

[01:30:35] [SPEAKER_06]: to contributing more going forward.

[01:30:37] [SPEAKER_06]: What if Andrea had

[01:30:39] [SPEAKER_06]: truly stepped up as the new leader of Woodbury

[01:30:41] [SPEAKER_06]: and banished the governor?

[01:30:42] [SPEAKER_11]: I would have been in a good storyline.

[01:30:45] [SPEAKER_06]: I would have watched that.

[01:30:46] [SPEAKER_11]: I like it. I'm glad you're back on track,

[01:30:49] [SPEAKER_11]: Daniel.

[01:30:52] [SPEAKER_11]: Dina wrote in and said

[01:30:54] [SPEAKER_11]: hello Jason and Lucy, I tried to keep this

[01:30:56] [SPEAKER_11]: short truly but we just returned home

[01:30:59] [SPEAKER_11]: from bringing our firstborn to his freshman

[01:31:01] [SPEAKER_11]: year at Emerson.

[01:31:02] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm a bit freaked. That's my alma mater by the way.

[01:31:05] [SPEAKER_11]: You are my therapy

[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_11]: so I will babble at you.

[01:31:09] [SPEAKER_11]: Last spring we

[01:31:11] [SPEAKER_11]: grounded the aforementioned son.

[01:31:13] [SPEAKER_11]: He plopped onto the sofa while I watched

[01:31:15] [SPEAKER_11]: The Walking Dead.

[01:31:17] [SPEAKER_11]: He didn't have many comments until home

[01:31:19] [SPEAKER_11]: this episode. When Daryl said

[01:31:21] [SPEAKER_11]: to Merle, they didn't owe us nothing

[01:31:24] [SPEAKER_11]: Jabe said, huh

[01:31:25] [SPEAKER_11]: I get why you like Daryl now.

[01:31:26] [SPEAKER_11]: Then he patted me on the head and added,

[01:31:28] [SPEAKER_11]: you may continue your weird obsession.

[01:31:31] [SPEAKER_11]: And yeah

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_11]: this is the episode on my third re-watch

[01:31:34] [SPEAKER_11]: that I did indeed fall in love with Daryl.

[01:31:37] [SPEAKER_11]: This one is bursting with all sorts of

[01:31:38] [SPEAKER_11]: flavors. Glen's testosterone

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_11]: fuel desperation. Herschel's

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_11]: reason and compassion.

[01:31:44] [SPEAKER_11]: Rick's rambling after Galadriel

[01:31:48] [SPEAKER_11]: Carol and Axel's budding friendship.

[01:31:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Beth's youth

[01:31:52] [SPEAKER_11]: of baby therapy with Maggie.

[01:31:54] [SPEAKER_11]: Michonne's cool but non-practical

[01:31:56] [SPEAKER_11]: wardrobe.

[01:31:57] [SPEAKER_11]: Milton begging for the governor's

[01:32:00] [SPEAKER_11]: scraps and spectacular zombie

[01:32:01] [SPEAKER_11]: action. That's a great paragraph

[01:32:03] [SPEAKER_11]: this is bursting with all sorts of flavors

[01:32:05] [SPEAKER_11]: and then just succinctly stating them all.

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_11]: I like it. By the end their house is damaged

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_11]: and emotions still need fixing

[01:32:11] [SPEAKER_11]: but they are all home even if our favorite

[01:32:13] [SPEAKER_11]: racist cousin appears for

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_11]: Sunday dinner. Daryl

[01:32:17] [SPEAKER_11]: and Merle may have spent their childhood watching

[01:32:20] [SPEAKER_11]: Mork and Mindy.

[01:32:21] [SPEAKER_11]: That's a great Daryl show call

[01:32:23] [SPEAKER_11]: out but they never had a

[01:32:24] [SPEAKER_11]: home and from facts sprinkled throughout

[01:32:26] [SPEAKER_11]: the series they seem to have spent most of

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_11]: their adulthood wandering. Merle

[01:32:31] [SPEAKER_11]: scoring drugs and Daryl

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_11]: trailing after him. A few

[01:32:35] [SPEAKER_11]: episodes go when Daryl scooped Judith into

[01:32:36] [SPEAKER_11]: his arms, cooed at her and fed her the

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_11]: bottle like a pro. I was taken

[01:32:40] [SPEAKER_11]: aback. Way out of character

[01:32:42] [SPEAKER_11]: the writers fucked up. Later

[01:32:44] [SPEAKER_11]: I realized that the writing was solid. Daryl's

[01:32:46] [SPEAKER_11]: character hadn't changed. Instead

[01:32:48] [SPEAKER_11]: his true self emerged. I agree

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_11]: at this point. Surrounded by people who

[01:32:52] [SPEAKER_11]: loved him he was safe. They would never

[01:32:54] [SPEAKER_11]: jeer at him for going all gooey over

[01:32:56] [SPEAKER_11]: a baby. Merle would.

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_11]: Now Daryl is at ease with himself

[01:33:00] [SPEAKER_11]: calmly responding to Merle's

[01:33:02] [SPEAKER_11]: inanity and jeers or outright

[01:33:05] [SPEAKER_11]: ignoring him. He acts without

[01:33:06] [SPEAKER_11]: asking Merle's permission. He no longer needs

[01:33:09] [SPEAKER_11]: to follow Merle and he's definitely not

[01:33:10] [SPEAKER_11]: afraid to confront him.

[01:33:13] [SPEAKER_11]: As for Merle he did abandon

[01:33:14] [SPEAKER_11]: a young Daryl. True but I get

[01:33:16] [SPEAKER_11]: why he did. To bury any guilty

[01:33:18] [SPEAKER_11]: felt he probably convinced himself that Daryl

[01:33:20] [SPEAKER_11]: would escape the same abuse.

[01:33:22] [SPEAKER_11]: The man looked and we don't know what age it was

[01:33:24] [SPEAKER_11]: either. Maybe we do.

[01:33:26] [SPEAKER_11]: I forget though but yeah.

[01:33:29] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean as he said

[01:33:30] [SPEAKER_11]: he would have killed his father if he would

[01:33:32] [SPEAKER_11]: have stayed. Maybe he should have tried

[01:33:34] [SPEAKER_11]: to take Daryl with him. I don't know.

[01:33:36] [SPEAKER_11]: The man looked horrified at Daryl's scars

[01:33:38] [SPEAKER_11]: forced to confront that guilt. His bravado

[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_11]: begins to dismantle. That was such a

[01:33:42] [SPEAKER_11]: touching moment by the way.

[01:33:44] [SPEAKER_11]: When Daryl leaves

[01:33:45] [SPEAKER_11]: Merle seems shocked, perplexed and vulnerable.

[01:33:48] [SPEAKER_11]: He's starting to realize that

[01:33:49] [SPEAKER_11]: home isn't with Daryl. Rather

[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_11]: Daryl is home. There you go. There's another

[01:33:53] [SPEAKER_11]: home. As an aside

[01:33:55] [SPEAKER_11]: Merle could have been just a

[01:33:57] [SPEAKER_11]: one-dimensional character. A selfish,

[01:33:59] [SPEAKER_11]: violent racist bully.

[01:34:01] [SPEAKER_11]: Rooker subtly makes him complex

[01:34:03] [SPEAKER_11]: and makes us feel all sorts of emotions

[01:34:05] [SPEAKER_11]: towards him from hatred to laughter to pity.

[01:34:08] [SPEAKER_11]: And I do pity Merle.

[01:34:09] [SPEAKER_11]: He'll never know his true self.

[01:34:11] [SPEAKER_11]: It simply cannot surface from the

[01:34:13] [SPEAKER_11]: violence of his upbringing.

[01:34:14] [SPEAKER_11]: I think that's why his death is so sad.

[01:34:17] [SPEAKER_11]: He knows he might die when he goes after the governor

[01:34:19] [SPEAKER_11]: and he does it anyway because he does love

[01:34:21] [SPEAKER_11]: Daryl, but he never found his own

[01:34:23] [SPEAKER_11]: self worth before dying.

[01:34:25] [SPEAKER_11]: But that's getting ahead and I gotta go

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_11]: cause you know I have stuff.

[01:34:29] [SPEAKER_11]: That's so good, Dina

[01:34:31] [SPEAKER_11]: touching. It's so good.

[01:34:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Cheers, Thangs. Yeah

[01:34:35] [SPEAKER_11]: just got things going on.

[01:34:37] [SPEAKER_11]: Let's see what's going on with Steve Brown.

[01:34:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, Steve.

[01:34:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Hello the cast of us. This is Steve

[01:34:43] [SPEAKER_03]: just finished watching Suicide King and I know

[01:34:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of close but this

[01:34:47] [SPEAKER_03]: is for the Walking Dead episode

[01:34:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Home. And thank you Lucy

[01:34:51] [SPEAKER_03]: last week for mentioning the X-Files

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_03]: episode. It's such an

[01:34:56] [SPEAKER_03]: impenetraous

[01:34:57] [SPEAKER_03]: X-Files episode that I just love it

[01:34:59] [SPEAKER_03]: cause I'm a huge X-Files fan. Okay so we don't

[01:35:01] [SPEAKER_03]: pick up directly where we left off

[01:35:03] [SPEAKER_03]: but you know

[01:35:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Rick has put out Tyrese in his group

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_03]: in Sasha. He's seen a vision of

[01:35:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Lori and now he's up on the

[01:35:10] [SPEAKER_03]: the walls

[01:35:12] [SPEAKER_03]: looking at Michonne. And this

[01:35:14] [SPEAKER_03]: is the crazy Rick episode where

[01:35:16] [SPEAKER_03]: he's seeing the visions of Lori.

[01:35:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't believe any of this for a second, Governor

[01:35:20] [SPEAKER_03]: you definitely gonna retaliate

[01:35:22] [SPEAKER_03]: you're not gonna step down

[01:35:23] [SPEAKER_03]: you're not giving in. I mean

[01:35:26] [SPEAKER_03]: okay it seems a little sincere but

[01:35:28] [SPEAKER_03]: at the same time, mmmm

[01:35:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I forgot how bloodthirsty Glenn

[01:35:32] [SPEAKER_03]: got after this whole torture with

[01:35:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Merle and stuff and what he thinks happened

[01:35:36] [SPEAKER_03]: to Maggie but man

[01:35:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I know he gets over it but this bloodthirsty Glenn

[01:35:40] [SPEAKER_03]: is not wanting to just go in

[01:35:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and put a bullet in the Governor's head

[01:35:44] [SPEAKER_03]: okay at least

[01:35:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Herschel was able to talk Glenn a little bit down

[01:35:48] [SPEAKER_03]: we're gonna defend the prison, we're not gonna go attack the Governor

[01:35:50] [SPEAKER_03]: good. That conversation

[01:35:52] [SPEAKER_03]: between Milton and Andrea. Where's the Governor

[01:35:54] [SPEAKER_03]: on a run?

[01:35:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh so Axl's kind of coming clean

[01:35:58] [SPEAKER_03]: about his

[01:36:00] [SPEAKER_03]: why he's in prison but

[01:36:01] [SPEAKER_03]: we don't still know the truth though

[01:36:03] [SPEAKER_03]: talking to what? Talking to

[01:36:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Carol, yeah, yeah. We see that Carol

[01:36:07] [SPEAKER_03]: has learned to handle weapons a little bit so she's

[01:36:09] [SPEAKER_03]: telling Axl or training him a little bit

[01:36:11] [SPEAKER_03]: oh now we got Merle and Darrell

[01:36:13] [SPEAKER_03]: and we see that Darrell has changed he's gonna help

[01:36:15] [SPEAKER_03]: these people on the bridge I don't remember what

[01:36:17] [SPEAKER_03]: happens here but I know Darrell helps him

[01:36:19] [SPEAKER_03]: oh he smashed that walker's head

[01:36:21] [SPEAKER_03]: in the trunk lid

[01:36:22] [SPEAKER_03]: oh this conversation between Darrell and Merle

[01:36:25] [SPEAKER_03]: he is not gonna let them, Merle rob them

[01:36:27] [SPEAKER_03]: he's gonna let him go

[01:36:28] [SPEAKER_03]: and it is Yellowjacket Creek so Darrell was right

[01:36:31] [SPEAKER_03]: well this is the first time we're seeing the scars

[01:36:33] [SPEAKER_03]: on Darrell's back isn't it

[01:36:35] [SPEAKER_03]: oh and Darrell has now figured out that he

[01:36:37] [SPEAKER_03]: can't stay with Merle

[01:36:38] [SPEAKER_03]: he's gotta go back to the prison

[01:36:39] [SPEAKER_03]: oh Darrell very insightful

[01:36:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I may be the one who's walking away but you're the one

[01:36:44] [SPEAKER_03]: that's leaving again. Okay what's in the

[01:36:47] [SPEAKER_03]: back of that truck that Glenn just took off

[01:36:48] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's all filled with something

[01:36:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Maggie's feeding the baby and meanwhile

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_03]: back in Crazy Town with Rick

[01:36:55] [SPEAKER_03]: and Rick just told Ursula

[01:36:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I got stuff out here

[01:36:59] [SPEAKER_03]: stuff

[01:37:00] [SPEAKER_03]: a foreshadowing statement from Herschel

[01:37:03] [SPEAKER_03]: there it's not safe out here

[01:37:04] [SPEAKER_03]: oh and Anxl gets shot in the head

[01:37:07] [SPEAKER_03]: just in the middle of conversation with Carol

[01:37:08] [SPEAKER_03]: and the attack on the prison is on

[01:37:10] [SPEAKER_03]: how did one of them get onto the guard tower

[01:37:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I remember this box truck now

[01:37:14] [SPEAKER_03]: the one that just entered the prison that just crashed

[01:37:16] [SPEAKER_03]: the gates oh Glenn's back

[01:37:19] [SPEAKER_03]: and Darrell and Merle coming in to help

[01:37:20] [SPEAKER_03]: save the day oh and that

[01:37:22] [SPEAKER_03]: look in Rick's eyes there at the end

[01:37:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Andrew Lincoln oh

[01:37:27] [SPEAKER_03]: wow next week

[01:37:30] [SPEAKER_06]: region red

[01:37:31] [SPEAKER_06]: it's getting nice and emotional

[01:37:32] [SPEAKER_06]: I love Steve's

[01:37:36] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah so Alex

[01:37:38] [SPEAKER_11]: Robb I mean not Alex Axel

[01:37:41] [SPEAKER_11]: Robbed a gas station with the toy gun

[01:37:43] [SPEAKER_11]: that's what he did

[01:37:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean why not and I

[01:37:46] [SPEAKER_06]: I feel like very responsible for bringing

[01:37:50] [SPEAKER_06]: home back into people's

[01:37:52] [SPEAKER_06]: minds have you seen that episode

[01:37:54] [SPEAKER_06]: the X-Files Jason no I never

[01:37:55] [SPEAKER_11]: really got into X-Files oh it got like

[01:37:58] [SPEAKER_06]: pulled from TV in America like

[01:37:59] [SPEAKER_06]: it wasn't syndicated for a long time

[01:38:02] [SPEAKER_11]: yet it's and you can't say why because

[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_11]: it would be too big of a spoiler

[01:38:06] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if it's a spoiler

[01:38:08] [SPEAKER_06]: it's very like

[01:38:11] [SPEAKER_06]: you know in season

[01:38:14] [SPEAKER_06]: the final season of The Walking Dead

[01:38:15] [SPEAKER_06]: Maggie describes

[01:38:18] [SPEAKER_06]: this house that she goes to

[01:38:20] [SPEAKER_06]: where it's like loads of creepy

[01:38:22] [SPEAKER_06]: men

[01:38:24] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah a lot of people were like oh

[01:38:26] [SPEAKER_06]: did she just describe the plot of home

[01:38:27] [SPEAKER_06]: so it's that kind of vibe

[01:38:29] [SPEAKER_06]: but they have um there's a

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_06]: song is it

[01:38:34] [SPEAKER_06]: I feel wonderful

[01:38:36] [SPEAKER_06]: wonderful it's like Johnny

[01:38:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Mathis or something is the song for that

[01:38:40] [SPEAKER_06]: episode and it's so disturbing

[01:38:42] [SPEAKER_06]: it sounds intense for

[01:38:43] [SPEAKER_06]: my flatmates now we're obsessed

[01:38:45] [SPEAKER_06]: network TV yeah yeah

[01:38:47] [SPEAKER_06]: X-Files man um Rachel

[01:38:50] [SPEAKER_06]: T. Ledwards I think I've also traumatized

[01:38:52] [SPEAKER_06]: this week says I go forward when I

[01:38:54] [SPEAKER_06]: heard the lead into last week's episode

[01:38:56] [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't hear it Jason

[01:38:57] [SPEAKER_11]: it was um Andrea

[01:39:00] [SPEAKER_11]: Andrea

[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_11]: fighting with arguing with the governor

[01:39:03] [SPEAKER_11]: and then he says

[01:39:06] [SPEAKER_11]: I never you know you're just passing

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_11]: through and then

[01:39:09] [SPEAKER_11]: she says don't

[01:39:12] [SPEAKER_11]: don't do that don't push me away

[01:39:14] [SPEAKER_11]: and then I played the sound that plays on

[01:39:16] [SPEAKER_11]: I think the price is right when somebody

[01:39:18] [SPEAKER_11]: gets there

[01:39:20] [SPEAKER_11]: excellent

[01:39:23] [SPEAKER_06]: excellent um well Rachel

[01:39:24] [SPEAKER_06]: enjoyed it she says totally caught me off guard

[01:39:26] [SPEAKER_06]: so funny your Andrea could take this

[01:39:28] [SPEAKER_06]: week was 10 out of 10 I'm glad I didn't write

[01:39:30] [SPEAKER_06]: in because I was in a mood and would have taken

[01:39:32] [SPEAKER_06]: out on the episode everyone was annoying

[01:39:34] [SPEAKER_06]: me last week with the exception of Herschel

[01:39:36] [SPEAKER_06]: who was perfect coming off your discussion

[01:39:38] [SPEAKER_06]: of the Suicide King as both the title

[01:39:40] [SPEAKER_06]: and a theme throughout the episode which really

[01:39:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I really enjoyed I'm looking forward to

[01:39:44] [SPEAKER_06]: breakdown of home as a theme throughout this episode

[01:39:46] [SPEAKER_06]: OMG Lucy thank you for reminding me of the

[01:39:48] [SPEAKER_06]: X-Files episode home

[01:39:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Oof thank god this one's a bit different

[01:39:52] [SPEAKER_06]: yep um we see Darrell

[01:39:54] [SPEAKER_06]: making a choice about who his home is

[01:39:56] [SPEAKER_06]: and where he truly belongs

[01:39:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Rick of course is hallucinating about the women who created

[01:40:00] [SPEAKER_06]: a home with him and whose existence

[01:40:02] [SPEAKER_06]: embodied home for him

[01:40:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Andrea isn't idiot and is somehow

[01:40:05] [SPEAKER_06]: just kind of questioning the stability of her new home

[01:40:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Glenn and the gang make a choice to fortify

[01:40:10] [SPEAKER_06]: and make a stand to defend their home

[01:40:12] [SPEAKER_06]: and last but not least

[01:40:14] [SPEAKER_06]: the governor lost his connection to home

[01:40:16] [SPEAKER_06]: and to any semblance of sanity when Penny

[01:40:18] [SPEAKER_06]: was killed and now he's out to

[01:40:20] [SPEAKER_06]: make people suffer by destroying home for everyone

[01:40:22] [SPEAKER_06]: else

[01:40:23] [SPEAKER_06]: there are definitely interesting parallels between

[01:40:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Rick and the governor since both of them have cracked

[01:40:28] [SPEAKER_06]: notably though Rick is

[01:40:30] [SPEAKER_06]: fully aware that he's hallucinating which thankfully

[01:40:32] [SPEAKER_06]: means he's not fully gone

[01:40:34] [SPEAKER_06]: but he still feels compelled

[01:40:36] [SPEAKER_06]: to explore these hallucinations

[01:40:37] [SPEAKER_06]: they are clearly providing some comfort

[01:40:39] [SPEAKER_06]: and possible closure for him

[01:40:41] [SPEAKER_11]: I mean this is different than how he was at the end of the episode last week

[01:40:44] [SPEAKER_11]: when he was waving his gun around saying

[01:40:47] [SPEAKER_06]: you don't belong here

[01:40:47] [SPEAKER_06]: you don't belong here go away

[01:40:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Herschel tells him to come inside and get some rest

[01:40:53] [SPEAKER_06]: which begs the question

[01:40:54] [SPEAKER_06]: when was the last time Rick slept

[01:40:56] [SPEAKER_06]: it's no wonder he's hallucinating

[01:40:58] [SPEAKER_06]: he hasn't slept in about 305 days

[01:41:00] [SPEAKER_06]: oh I love the timeline mention

[01:41:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I like how kind of understanding the gang is being

[01:41:05] [SPEAKER_06]: though they're oddly nonchalant about it

[01:41:06] [SPEAKER_06]: aside from Herschel and maybe Michonne

[01:41:09] [SPEAKER_06]: no one seems super concerned

[01:41:10] [SPEAKER_06]: they're like

[01:41:11] [SPEAKER_06]: they're just like he needs a moment to gather himself

[01:41:13] [SPEAKER_06]: he's had a week anyway this is how you operate a pistol

[01:41:16] [SPEAKER_06]: I guess they have bigger problems

[01:41:18] [SPEAKER_06]: to focus on

[01:41:20] [SPEAKER_06]: the governor has fully embraced his psychopathy

[01:41:22] [SPEAKER_06]: visiting Andrew for some intentional manipulation

[01:41:24] [SPEAKER_06]: followed by a super creepy visit with Milton

[01:41:26] [SPEAKER_06]: and a road trip to the prison

[01:41:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I need to rant for a moment so that the governor

[01:41:30] [SPEAKER_06]: calmly walking through the chaos

[01:41:31] [SPEAKER_06]: as you guys so eloquently put it last week

[01:41:33] [SPEAKER_06]: continues to piss me off

[01:41:35] [SPEAKER_06]: we get the third instance of it this week during a firefight

[01:41:38] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm trying to have the mindset that he just doesn't give a fuck anymore

[01:41:41] [SPEAKER_06]: and doesn't care if he dies

[01:41:42] [SPEAKER_06]: but my read is that he behaves like this

[01:41:44] [SPEAKER_06]: he behaves like he believes he's invincible

[01:41:46] [SPEAKER_06]: which would track since he's a psychopath

[01:41:49] [SPEAKER_06]: but he actually never gets hit

[01:41:50] [SPEAKER_06]: so he just gets more and more smug

[01:41:52] [SPEAKER_06]: and also does seem invincible to me as a viewer

[01:41:54] [SPEAKER_06]: it's embarrassing and ridiculous that no one on our team

[01:41:57] [SPEAKER_06]: has good enough aim to even come close to hitting him

[01:42:00] [SPEAKER_06]: even though they can hit walkers from clear

[01:42:02] [SPEAKER_06]: across the prison yard

[01:42:03] [SPEAKER_06]: I know suspension of disbelief

[01:42:05] [SPEAKER_06]: if they killed him the story would be over

[01:42:07] [SPEAKER_06]: but this is an irrational rant

[01:42:09] [SPEAKER_06]: right before they leave when he cockily shoots off

[01:42:11] [SPEAKER_06]: a bunch of rounds without even aiming at anything

[01:42:13] [SPEAKER_06]: without infuriating smug smile

[01:42:15] [SPEAKER_06]: and then he just leans his head to the side

[01:42:17] [SPEAKER_06]: when the bullets hit the truck next to him

[01:42:19] [SPEAKER_06]: ugh I'm sorry

[01:42:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I just hate it so much

[01:42:23] [SPEAKER_06]: okay rant over

[01:42:25] [SPEAKER_11]: two things on that

[01:42:28] [SPEAKER_11]: one

[01:42:29] [SPEAKER_11]: how does he die

[01:42:31] [SPEAKER_06]: the governor

[01:42:32] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah

[01:42:33] [SPEAKER_11]: Michonne

[01:42:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Michonne doesn't properly kill him

[01:42:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Lily

[01:42:39] [SPEAKER_11]: Lily I forgot about her yeah

[01:42:41] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah she kills him I think

[01:42:43] [SPEAKER_11]: so and then two

[01:42:47] [SPEAKER_11]: I think what you're saying is totally right

[01:42:50] [SPEAKER_11]: they should have totally hit him

[01:42:51] [SPEAKER_11]: but I sometimes

[01:42:54] [SPEAKER_11]: filmmakers go with

[01:42:55] [SPEAKER_11]: what feels cool even if it doesn't

[01:42:57] [SPEAKER_11]: totally make sense and they just think it's cooler

[01:42:59] [SPEAKER_11]: to have them act like the terminator you know

[01:43:01] [SPEAKER_06]: mhm absolutely

[01:43:04] [SPEAKER_06]: the Dixon Brothers storyline was the most captivating part

[01:43:07] [SPEAKER_06]: of this episode for me

[01:43:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Rooker must be an awesome actor because Murrell

[01:43:10] [SPEAKER_06]: is the absolute worst and I still enjoy watching him

[01:43:12] [SPEAKER_06]: everything he says and does is repulsive

[01:43:15] [SPEAKER_06]: there's absolutely nothing redeemable

[01:43:17] [SPEAKER_06]: about Murrell it's so satisfying

[01:43:18] [SPEAKER_06]: when Darryl finally realises this and ditches him

[01:43:21] [SPEAKER_06]: I guess not so much ditches him

[01:43:23] [SPEAKER_06]: but communicates in so many words

[01:43:24] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm done following you I'm making a different

[01:43:26] [SPEAKER_06]: choice I've changed and I'm doing things

[01:43:28] [SPEAKER_06]: my way now with or without you

[01:43:30] [SPEAKER_06]: similar to Glen two episodes ago

[01:43:32] [SPEAKER_06]: this feels like Darryl's final step into

[01:43:34] [SPEAKER_06]: manhood and individuality

[01:43:36] [SPEAKER_06]: breaking the toxic generational patterns

[01:43:38] [SPEAKER_06]: we get another potent glimpse into

[01:43:40] [SPEAKER_06]: the past into his past their family

[01:43:42] [SPEAKER_06]: dynamic and the abuse he endured

[01:43:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Darryl says fuck you I make my own

[01:43:46] [SPEAKER_06]: destiny to all of it when he walks

[01:43:48] [SPEAKER_06]: away from Murrell he's found the place

[01:43:50] [SPEAKER_06]: where he belongs he's chosen his family

[01:43:52] [SPEAKER_06]: in his future he knows his value and

[01:43:54] [SPEAKER_06]: so do they it was painful watching

[01:43:56] [SPEAKER_06]: him leave last week but so worth the

[01:43:58] [SPEAKER_06]: delicious reward of this resolution

[01:44:00] [SPEAKER_06]: final note RIP

[01:44:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Axel gone too soon but many

[01:44:04] [SPEAKER_06]: thanks for saving Carol

[01:44:06] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah I mean just by

[01:44:08] [SPEAKER_06]: being a shield yep human shield

[01:44:12] [SPEAKER_11]: that was great Rachel I just

[01:44:14] [SPEAKER_11]: writing in okay we got

[01:44:16] [SPEAKER_11]: one more call it's from Teege

[01:44:18] [SPEAKER_06]: yay Teege

[01:44:19] [SPEAKER_09]: hi this is Teege from

[01:44:22] [SPEAKER_09]: Wisconsin calling on episode 3

[01:44:24] [SPEAKER_09]: 10 loving the

[01:44:26] [SPEAKER_09]: rewatch loving especially the deep

[01:44:28] [SPEAKER_09]: conversations it's inciting

[01:44:30] [SPEAKER_09]: in the podcast on some of the

[01:44:32] [SPEAKER_09]: heavy social issues that we all

[01:44:33] [SPEAKER_09]: are working through collectively

[01:44:36] [SPEAKER_09]: one that has stuck with me the last

[01:44:38] [SPEAKER_09]: couple weeks I thoroughly

[01:44:39] [SPEAKER_09]: enjoyed your two perspectives

[01:44:41] [SPEAKER_09]: as far as Glenn's reaction

[01:44:45] [SPEAKER_09]: to Maggie's

[01:44:46] [SPEAKER_09]: assault at Woodbury

[01:44:48] [SPEAKER_09]: because I

[01:44:50] [SPEAKER_09]: remember a very I had a very

[01:44:51] [SPEAKER_09]: different interpretation than either of yours

[01:44:53] [SPEAKER_09]: when I first watched it so I've been

[01:44:56] [SPEAKER_09]: it kind of perked up my intent and I've been

[01:44:57] [SPEAKER_09]: paying close attention to it

[01:45:00] [SPEAKER_09]: but I perceived Glenn's

[01:45:02] [SPEAKER_09]: anger to be

[01:45:04] [SPEAKER_09]: less about feeling like he failed

[01:45:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Maggie or that he was empathizing

[01:45:08] [SPEAKER_09]: with Maggie and more about

[01:45:10] [SPEAKER_09]: if the assault had been in

[01:45:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Glenn's mind the worst case scenario

[01:45:13] [SPEAKER_09]: worst case in Glenn's mind that

[01:45:16] [SPEAKER_09]: it was akin to being

[01:45:19] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't want to say cheated on but

[01:45:21] [SPEAKER_09]: yeah something was being taken from

[01:45:23] [SPEAKER_09]: him in that scenario

[01:45:24] [SPEAKER_09]: this time yeah in a way that wasn't

[01:45:26] [SPEAKER_09]: in Glenn's mind based on what

[01:45:28] [SPEAKER_09]: happened that was how I'd interpreted it

[01:45:30] [SPEAKER_09]: so I was watching for it and I

[01:45:32] [SPEAKER_09]: really I the prison

[01:45:34] [SPEAKER_09]: scene this week where Glenn

[01:45:36] [SPEAKER_09]: and Maggie are so cold

[01:45:38] [SPEAKER_09]: and angry towards each other

[01:45:40] [SPEAKER_09]: really just makes me think

[01:45:42] [SPEAKER_09]: that's what was happening

[01:45:45] [SPEAKER_09]: Glenn being so

[01:45:46] [SPEAKER_09]: cold to Maggie doesn't make sense

[01:45:48] [SPEAKER_09]: if he if he if he was

[01:45:50] [SPEAKER_09]: feeling that he failed as a protector or that

[01:45:52] [SPEAKER_09]: he was empathizing with her

[01:45:54] [SPEAKER_09]: and Maggie's hostility towards Glenn

[01:45:56] [SPEAKER_09]: especially when she said

[01:45:58] [SPEAKER_09]: you know he asked plainly did this

[01:46:00] [SPEAKER_09]: happen and she said no it didn't

[01:46:02] [SPEAKER_09]: are you happy or do you feel

[01:46:04] [SPEAKER_09]: better something along those lines makes me

[01:46:06] [SPEAKER_09]: think that's what she was

[01:46:08] [SPEAKER_09]: picking up as well so I

[01:46:10] [SPEAKER_09]: don't know maybe maybe I'm wrong and I know

[01:46:12] [SPEAKER_09]: you know speaking ill of Glenn

[01:46:14] [SPEAKER_09]: is not popular in

[01:46:16] [SPEAKER_09]: in this universe here

[01:46:18] [SPEAKER_09]: with how we feel about him but

[01:46:20] [SPEAKER_09]: I just

[01:46:23] [SPEAKER_09]: his reaction

[01:46:24] [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know I didn't like it I still

[01:46:26] [SPEAKER_09]: don't like it and I

[01:46:28] [SPEAKER_09]: I tried even with a more generous mind

[01:46:30] [SPEAKER_09]: to interpret Glenn's behavior

[01:46:33] [SPEAKER_09]: and reactions better and it

[01:46:34] [SPEAKER_09]: just doesn't it's not

[01:46:36] [SPEAKER_09]: clicking with me so anyway

[01:46:38] [SPEAKER_09]: that's all thinking of this also this

[01:46:40] [SPEAKER_09]: is how dumb I am in the rewatch

[01:46:42] [SPEAKER_09]: I saw Axel standing

[01:46:44] [SPEAKER_09]: next to Carol and I was like isn't that

[01:46:46] [SPEAKER_09]: the same outfit he got shot in

[01:46:47] [SPEAKER_09]: and still was shocked

[01:46:49] [SPEAKER_09]: when the bullet came because I wasn't expecting

[01:46:51] [SPEAKER_09]: it I thought it was several

[01:46:53] [SPEAKER_09]: alright thank you thank you

[01:46:56] [SPEAKER_06]: oh tish

[01:46:57] [SPEAKER_06]: you and me both man you and me both

[01:47:00] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah yeah tish that's exactly

[01:47:02] [SPEAKER_11]: what I was saying and

[01:47:03] [SPEAKER_11]: and um and yeah

[01:47:05] [SPEAKER_11]: Glenn's not

[01:47:07] [SPEAKER_11]: Glenn's not doing

[01:47:10] [SPEAKER_11]: he's being a dick right now

[01:47:12] [SPEAKER_11]: but um you know

[01:47:13] [SPEAKER_11]: we know that they end

[01:47:15] [SPEAKER_11]: up getting married isn't it this season

[01:47:17] [SPEAKER_11]: I think yeah and so I can't

[01:47:19] [SPEAKER_11]: remember how but apparently he realizes

[01:47:21] [SPEAKER_11]: what an asshole he's being and

[01:47:23] [SPEAKER_11]: makes good on it you know changes

[01:47:25] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm sure he does we'll see

[01:47:28] [SPEAKER_11]: so

[01:47:29] [SPEAKER_11]: I forgot to play

[01:47:31] [SPEAKER_11]: this last message

[01:47:33] [SPEAKER_11]: last week it's

[01:47:35] [SPEAKER_11]: another one from tige actually

[01:47:37] [SPEAKER_11]: it's from his son Logan

[01:47:39] [SPEAKER_11]: and I think Logan's from

[01:47:41] [SPEAKER_11]: Seth and Ethan

[01:47:43] [SPEAKER_11]: he said I just went back

[01:47:45] [SPEAKER_11]: and found these I haven't

[01:47:46] [SPEAKER_11]: rewatched 3.8 yet

[01:47:48] [SPEAKER_11]: I will later today but their feedback made me

[01:47:49] [SPEAKER_11]: smile so this is just a little blast from the past

[01:47:53] aww

[01:47:53] [SPEAKER_07]: my name is Seth and I am 11

[01:47:56] [SPEAKER_07]: my name's Logan and I'm 10

[01:47:57] [SPEAKER_01]: my name's Ethan and I'm 13

[01:47:59] [SPEAKER_07]: we are at the mid season finale of season 3

[01:48:01] [SPEAKER_07]: and we're gonna record our

[01:48:03] [SPEAKER_07]: reactions right after we're done watching

[01:48:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I think death sentence

[01:48:11] [SPEAKER_07]: oh my god they caught

[01:48:12] [SPEAKER_07]: caught me always be like

[01:48:15] [SPEAKER_07]: that's a surprise that they caught

[01:48:17] [SPEAKER_07]: him like he's one of the most stealthy

[01:48:19] [SPEAKER_07]: how did they get him

[01:48:21] [SPEAKER_11]: he means Daryl by the way

[01:48:23] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah

[01:48:25] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm speechless

[01:48:29] [SPEAKER_11]: I love it

[01:48:31] [SPEAKER_06]: it's also like a really good point

[01:48:33] [SPEAKER_06]: we never find out how they did catch him

[01:48:35] [SPEAKER_11]: that's true yeah

[01:48:37] [SPEAKER_11]: yeah

[01:48:37] [SPEAKER_11]: uh Logan by the way

[01:48:39] [SPEAKER_11]: sounds like this now

[01:48:40] [SPEAKER_11]: I know he's all grown up

[01:48:48] [SPEAKER_11]: alright that is our show

[01:48:49] [SPEAKER_11]: episode 596 thank you guys

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[01:49:07] [SPEAKER_11]: we have a ton going on

[01:49:09] [SPEAKER_11]: one thing that's starting up right now

[01:49:11] [SPEAKER_11]: because as I'm recording this

[01:49:13] [SPEAKER_11]: the rings of power season 2

[01:49:15] [SPEAKER_11]: I think Amazon debuted

[01:49:16] [SPEAKER_11]: the first three episodes today

[01:49:18] [SPEAKER_11]: and so Anne Winn and Penny

[01:49:20] [SPEAKER_11]: are recording on that on the first one today

[01:49:22] [SPEAKER_11]: and that should be out Friday night or Saturday morning

[01:49:24] [SPEAKER_11]: so as you're hearing this you should

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[01:49:29] [SPEAKER_11]: also this episode is made possible by Patreon supporters

[01:49:32] [SPEAKER_11]: like Patrick

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[01:49:37] [SPEAKER_11]: slash jasonkabassie so thank you so much

[01:49:39] [SPEAKER_11]: Patrick one thing we do

[01:49:41] [SPEAKER_11]: occasionally we have calling

[01:49:43] [SPEAKER_11]: shows and tonight in a few

[01:49:45] [SPEAKER_11]: hours here we're doing one where we all play

[01:49:47] [SPEAKER_11]: cards against humanity together and I'm really excited about it

[01:49:50] [SPEAKER_11]: I'm gonna drink whiskey

[01:49:52] [SPEAKER_06]: which whiskey are you gonna drink

[01:49:53] [SPEAKER_11]: I got some

[01:49:55] [SPEAKER_11]: let's see I'll probably drink

[01:49:57] [SPEAKER_11]: the talisker that I got at the airport

[01:49:59] [SPEAKER_11]: good trick it's called Dark Storm

[01:50:01] [SPEAKER_06]: yeah oh that's a good one

[01:50:03] [SPEAKER_06]: you like the dark storm

[01:50:05] [SPEAKER_11]: alright that is our show

[01:50:07] [SPEAKER_06]: thanks for listening

[01:50:09] [SPEAKER_02]: don't get bit re-arri-ing bold