599: TWD: Daryl Dixon S1 Catch-Up

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Daryl Dixon S1 Catch-Up, The Cast of Us

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_00]: We probably do deserve it. But not tonight. No, tonight is good.

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And if this isn't good enough for you, I don't know what is. Amen.

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Bonjour Zedheads, welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And je m'appelle Lucy. Lucy! This is The Cast of Us, episode 599.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_02]: 599! And this episode we're catching you up on everything that's happened so far

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_02]: on the Daryl Show. Everything that's in Wikipedia.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, everything within the boundaries of Wikipedia's guidelines.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Short-cut synopses. Yeah, we're excited. It's coming back. I actually binged the whole first

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_03]: season yesterday in one day. And it was pretty cool to watch it all together like that. It was

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_03]: like a movie. I watched it at 1.5 speed, so it was like a three-hour movie.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's like so pondering and fresh that it probably just felt like normal speed, right?

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly. Kind of in some places. But it held together really well, I thought. And

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_03]: it did. You could, you know, it did feel like a movie. You could feel the beginning, middle,

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and end, even though it was sort of a cliffhanger-y kind of a thing. Good. Book of Carol,

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_03]: of course, premieres Sunday, September 29th. So that's why we figured let's get in and remind

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_03]: everyone of what happened in Daryl Dixon season one. And we'll do our catch-up format, which is

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_03]: where we'll go through episode by episode, read the synopses, just talk about a few notes about

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_03]: what stood out or anything that comes up. I had a couple notes prepared, but nothing major.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm coming in pretty fresh. I tried to do a rewatch and I got, I think I got halfway through

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_02]: episode two and then I was like, no, I have an improv show and it was all very stressful. But

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: it'll come back to you as we talk about it. And it will come back to me, absolutely. I couldn't

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: believe it was only six episodes. It felt longer in a good way. But yeah. And two, I know,

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_03]: we loved the, we're going to get to it, but since we're talking about it, where it showed

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_03]: the flashback of the beginnings of the apocalypse in Paris. And I didn't realize that was the second

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: episode. I didn't realize it came so quickly. Same! That was, so I definitely rewatched that

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: a bit and I was like, oh my God, was this only episode two? The show came out strong, man.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_03]: It did. Yeah. And, uh, uh, they're all six, I think season two is six episodes. Well,

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I know it is because we got screeners and I have all six sitting on my hard drive right now.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have my screeners yet. AMC get on it.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But I haven't even watched the first one yet because I wanted to do the catch up without

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_03]: knowing what's going to happen and we'll be good and only watch one at a time.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_03]: But it'll let us record early so we can have the episodes out right after they air. And then if we

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_03]: get enough feedback from you guys, then maybe we'll do separate feedback episodes like we did

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_03]: last time. But if not, then we'll just cover an episode's feedback in the next week later.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And then these, they gave us all six with the ones who let it go.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah. It's, it's, it's odd that they did that, but I was happy about it.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's cool. It's good. I think it's because Norman Reed just saw me in my room.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. Do you want to read the first synopsis? Yes. Okay. So season one, episode one,

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Daryl Dixon washes ashore in France and sets out to return to America. He suffers an arm wound upon

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_02]: encountering a new Walker variant called Burners near Marseilles. Daryl encounters

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Maribel and her grandfather, Guillaume. Henri and Michel, soldiers from a paramilitary group called

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Power of the Living, attack them and are killed before Maribel and Guillaume rob Daryl and flee.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_02]: The pair are caught by Michel's brother, Codron, who kills Guillaume and seeks revenge on Daryl

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_02]: on the assumption that he killed Michel. Isabelle, a nun for Union de l'Espoir, Union of Hope,

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_02]: finds Daryl and takes him to her Abbey for sexual treatment.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: She introduces Daryl to the most annoying person you'll ever meet in your life or the Messiah,

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Laurent, a young boy of the Union. A young boy the Union believes is the Messiah destined to

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_02]: revive humanity. He's also good at Rubik's cubes. She believes Daryl is the messenger who must

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_02]: deliver Laurent to the Union contingent in Paris. He rejects the idea and leaves. Codron's men

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_02]: attack the Abbey, killing most of the nuns, but Daryl returns and helps defend off the assailants.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Daryl agrees to help in exchange for Isabelle leading him to Le Havre. It's revealed that a

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Pouvoir ship transporting Walker test subjects took Daryl from America, but he instigated a

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: mutiny, destroyed their research, and escaped. Jeunet, the leader of Pouvoir, orders that Daryl

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_02]: and Dixon be found.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he must that must be it. I don't know. I don't think he changed his mind. Yeah, I think

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_03]: you saw them, at least not by that point. Um, was I gonna say to Oh, the fact that Codron so I hope

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_03]: people remember all these names and everything. Codron is the guy with the tattoo on his neck,

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_03]: right? Tattoo neck. Yeah. Yeah. He just killed this old guy. Oh, yeah, because the guy annoyed

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_03]: him. And so they start to make him seem like a bit of a sympathetic character towards the end.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Full spoilers, by the way, if you haven't seen the Daryl show, I highly recommend you go watch it

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_03]: because we're gonna be spoiling stuff, but you should watch it first. But um, towards the end,

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_03]: he has a chance to kill Daryl and he lets him go. And it's like, Oh, is he like turning into a good

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_03]: guy? But man, he was that's pretty messed up to just kill some old guy because it's super

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_02]: dark. And one of the things that I know we spoke about on the show, but is striking because this

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: is the one episode I did have a chance to properly rewatch really struck me was the way that they

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_02]: parallel Merle's death with Codron and his brother like Codron and having to put him down and that

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_03]: that hit hard. Like it's to me it was like Codron was just killed this old guy and then his asshole

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_03]: brother gets killed with good reason. And then he's all pissed off. Oh, you killed my brother.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, well, you just killed someone's grandpa. Yeah, you just killed my grandpa.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But yes, I remember you talking about that when we were yeah, the episode the Merle Merle.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_02]: The Merle of it all.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I wrote a few notes after a while in the rewatch. Skipping to now I gotta say Norman Reedus looks

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot older. Yeah, we all weird. I was thinking the same about Rick. Someone posted a video or

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: something of like Andrew Lincoln through the years and I'm like, damn, we're all aging.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I love the intro. Still, I watched it. The music every time I never skipped through it

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_03]: when I was binging yesterday. What else? Oh, notes. Claremont's posy is wonderful.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: She's so good throughout this whole show. And you know what? Laurent is entertaining. I know

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I gave him shit for being a precocious young boy. And I can't wait to see if in Spain they have like

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_02]: a I don't know Jose or something who joins the crew or whatever. But it's an interesting.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_03]: He's still in it and his story is not done yet. You know, like people are saying I think it was

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_03]: almost she's like, I'm so tired of this Messiah story and and I can't blame anyone who's tired

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_03]: of it, but it ain't over. No, we haven't seen it become the Messiah yet. You know, yes or no,

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: we haven't got confirmation on that. The whole aesthetic of this episode is just brilliant. They

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_02]: do such a good job of establishing. We're not in Kansas anymore or Georgia anymore.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It's so beautiful. It's so beautiful. And I love the Abbey. Like it's in my past life as an

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: academic. My specialism was the medieval period. So I love like the setting in which he finds

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_02]: himself and the way in which they render it as being quite sinister when he first wakes up. And

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_02]: the nuns are all, I don't know, a bit creepy and no one's quite sure what's happening.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like in pain because he got grabbed by the acid zombie and she's like cauterizing

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_03]: the wound and he's screaming and you have the nuns outside doing their chanting or something.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And the head nun is leading them and they turn to hear the oh my God,

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_03]: somebody screaming. She's like, no, no, pay attention. Continue.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And that is that the zombie locked up. I like that because there's this tradition in medieval

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: churches where an anchoress, which would be like a female spiritual person, I'm describing this

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: really poorly. Can you tell I have a PhD in this? And we'd get like basically bricked into the side

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_02]: of a church and they would just live this very solitary life and people would come and like ask

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: for advice and stuff. But they would essentially just live and die in that space. And I was

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_03]: thinking about that. You isolate someone, cut them off from all of life and then you go to them for

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: advice. And they would be there like it's the kind of women who would wear hair shirts or like

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_02]: self-flagellate or there's really good book actually by Robin Hadwallader, I think it is

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_02]: called The Anchoress, which is a very vivid description of that. But I like the kind of

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: inversion of that trope with having an undead priest in a similar kind of locked in set up

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_02]: and the real devastation when he is killed by Cawdron and his men and Laurent really not

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_03]: open with them. Yeah, Laurent was devastated. And I just love they all have this respect for the guy

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and keeping him there. You know, it's like Herschel and his family in the barn or

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_03]: the governor and Penny. They're just hoping that someday God will bring him back or something.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And so they're speaking with all this reverence and whenever they show him he's like,

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_01]: he's like,

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_03]: but you know, so you I mean, the beauty of the series is one of my favorite things about it.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_03]: It's so like hearing Darryl goes to France just seems so stupid at first and it turned out to be

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_03]: so delightful. And I sometimes crazy ideas like that. It just they can be the best because you're

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_03]: just going into it with abandon and love, you know, I think it's because Norman Reedus loves

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Paris and everything. And I know some people didn't like the show or didn't like it as much

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_03]: as we do. But I really I loved it and watching it again last night. I felt the same way. And I

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_03]: in between like at some point after season one aired in I think the Zed head group,

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_03]: we were just ranking the spin offs and the main series, you know, and I know I put the Walking

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Dead proper first, but I put Darryl second. That's my second favorite of all the Walking Dead shows.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I think for me, toss up between Darryl and the ones who live. But I think in terms of the actual

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_03]: quality of the show, I would put the ones who live second and Darryl third. Sorry.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it would be close though, because I think Darryl, I forgave a lot in the ones who live

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_02]: because I was just so psyched to have it. Whereas the Darryl show, I wasn't as psyched about it.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I was just like, okay, Darryl's in France, and it really grew on me. And I really enjoyed it in

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_02]: surprising way. So I feel like I would have to revisit that, but they're definitely very close.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_03]: For me, I mean, there was a lot to forgive in the ones who live too, but there was a lot that just

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_03]: totally kicked ass. And it was so much more intense, you know? Yeah. So but they're right

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_03]: together for me to. Anyway, um, let me see. I think I had a couple more notes. So Darryl's in

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_03]: the bath and Isabel notices the scars, which we just saw for the first time in the rewatch.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. Oh my God. We've timed this quite well.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Merle. Yeah. For people who are just jumping on with the spin offs, we've been doing a

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Walking Dead rewatch. We're coming up on a year, by the way, October will be a year that we've

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_02]: been doing that. Of our rewatch? Holy shit. I thought it was like six months or something.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we broke for the spin offs, but yeah, we started Halloween last year. But anyway,

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_03]: so you should join us for that. It's been a ton of fun.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It's genuinely super fun. We just did Clear, which was just amazing to go back to.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: The Morgan. Yeah. I'm kind of psyched to see where we go next.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_03]: All right. Shall I move on? Yes.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. Season one, episode two, Alouette. During the initial outbreak, Isabel, a drug addict and

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_03]: thief escapes from Paris with her boyfriend Quinn and her pregnant sister, Lily. She ultimately

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_03]: abandons Quinn. I got to say these entries, I feel like they were probably all written by the

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_03]: same person. And I think they're very well written. Oh, I'll have to find out which editor

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_03]: it was and give them a wiki barn star. Lily dies and gives birth as a walker to Laurent via

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_03]: emergency C-section. In the present, the group loses their mule and are captured by a group of

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_03]: children living in their old preschool with their dying teacher, Madame Dubois. Laurent makes friends

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_03]: with the children who tell him the nuns are lying to him. They told him they were lying to him about

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_03]: his father, who he thought was this French freedom fighter that went off to fight the Hungry's.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Yuck. He's a hero. It turns out he's this low life douchebag. Adam the Gator. Super hot.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Laurent makes friends with... Oh, and needing a horse, Daryl offers to get medicine for Dubois

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_03]: if one of the children, Lou, helps him raid a nearby castle owned by a man

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_03]: dubbed La Tarasque. Inside, Daryl confronts the man revealed as a totally stereotypical American

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_03]: from Texas named R.J. Gaines and rescues a boy he has captured. Gaines falls into his own walker

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_03]: moat and is devoured, screaming, I'm an American! That was like the best scene.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_03]: While the kids rescue Daryl. Meanwhile, Dubois has died and Daryl encourages Lou to step up as

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_03]: their leader. Daryl's party leaves, but Laurent expresses frustration over secrets kept from him.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Calderon returns to the Abbey where he finds Daryl's recorded message,

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_03]: a picture of Laurent and a map of the group's route to Paris.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, I think this episode has one of the best scenes in all of the Walking Dead universe

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_03]: in the cold open. Yes, the Paris, right as the apocalypse is happening. So good. She's in the

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_03]: swanky club pretending to hit on guys while she's stealing their watches and wallets.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_02]: A new order? Is it a new order that's been... Yeah, Blue Monday.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And then she goes out and yeah, you just see people starting to act crazy. But my favorite

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_03]: is when she's in the subway waiting and then the train just slowly passes and everybody's

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_02]: eating each other on the subway. It's all just like so well. Oh, it's so good. It's so... Peter

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_02]: started talking about this in the car the other day. He's like, I was just thinking about that

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_03]: scene and I'm like, yeah, it's bloody brilliant. It's so good. And it's definitely my favorite of

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_03]: as the apocalypse is going down scenes that we've seen in the series, including anything we saw in

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_03]: fear, which was also great. Those early fear the Walking Dead episodes, but also a couple of times

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_03]: in the Walking Dead when they flash back to things a little bit earlier. But this one I really loved.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and it gives you such insight into who Isabelle is and where she got to and

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_02]: it plants the seeds of Quinn and Lily's betrayal and it's Lawrence origin story introduces Quinn,

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: who's just a great sleaze. Adam the Gaitus. I'm sad he won't be back for season two. Like I'm

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_02]: sad that he got killed off because he was... I thought he was a real highlight of this season.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_02]: His character, I thought Quinn was fascinating and really well played.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: You and Jennifer McGinley. Yeah, me and Jennifer McGinley.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I love when father like they told him they told these kids that Daryl was a priest.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So they would be more comfortable. So then they asked him to say grace

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_03]: and you think it's going to be a disaster, but he ends up saying something really

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_03]: poignant and straightforward. And another sort of great timing thing is we just had that scene in

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: the Walking Dead where Merle and Herschel are together and Herschel starts reading a Bible

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_03]: verse and Merle finishes it for him. And it makes I mean, in a later episode, Daryl says they kicked

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_03]: him out of Sunday school. So it makes me feel like Merle and Daryl had a bit of a religious

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_02]: upbringing for a while, at least, you know. And we know they watch more Kinmendy.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I love that so much. So good. I used to watch that as a kid.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And then, as you said, we see Laurent born from his zombie mother, which we thought had some

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_03]: parallels to The Last of Us maybe. And I don't remember if this was in the series, the Daryl

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_03]: series or not, but I that maybe they're speculating Laurent could be immune because of the way he was

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_02]: born. I think possibly I think as well, I feel like we did this so soon after The Last of Us as

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_02]: well. It was really fresh at the time, which is unfortunate for AMC, but great for us.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I know. And then, yeah, just that it's his mother is Isabel's sister and that she,

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Isabel kind of became a nun, at least in part, just because they'd gone to that convent seeking

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_03]: refuge and she ended up just staying. Apparently, that's kind of interesting.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I love that. I love when there's a character who's found religion in an unexpected way or has

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_02]: a kind of very real backstory. I think it's such an interesting character trait to look into.

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like, I mean, I was a Jehovah's Witness for two years just because they came to my door and I

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_03]: was too nice to turn away. And then I just started studying and was into it for two years and then

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_02]: decided, I'm not into this anymore. Why do I feel like I've never heard this before?

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you've never heard of it? I probably have. I don't know. I don't talk about it that much,

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_02]: but it was interesting. I thought it was one of your jokes when you started. I was like,

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_02]: nah. And I'm like, oh no, no, that's real. Okay, cool. Yeah, yeah.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't. Yeah, I think the reason why I quit is because what I liked about it was they just

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_03]: tried to do a really good job of explaining real world things with research. They'd have

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_03]: all these people just diving into it. But when it came time, the people who were teaching me

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_03]: were sort of like, you know, you haven't really seemed that into going around door to door with

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_03]: us. And I was thinking about it like, yeah, I'm really not. So that really says something.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's why I'm going to leave.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes the difference between living a religious life and holding it very dear to

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_02]: yourself. But I think there is a fine line when you start to personalize like I find that that's

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_02]: quite interesting thing for me because I've friends of all faiths and none. And I'm always

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_02]: really I'd like to think that I'm really open to hearing about it and talking about it, even

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: though they might not be my belief. But it's when people start to push it. I think that's when

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_03]: tensions rise is when you try. I have an allergic reaction to it. Yeah, I really do.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_03]: You barf on them. You're like, well, I try not to, but that's how I feel like I want it.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought two episodes ago, Rachel Teele Edwards covered for me on the rewatch,

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_02]: loved what she was saying about Bible study and the stories that.

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And she's so gentle about it all.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's fascinating. I think everyone should know a bit about the Bible. It's one of our

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_03]: biggest collections of stories in the world. I was glad to have her on it because when it just

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_03]: so happened that it worked out for her to come on for that one. And then when I was watching it and

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_03]: seeing the religious references coming up, I was like, oh, this is perfect.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, it's brilliant. I struggled a lot during my degree, having not been brought up

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_02]: in a Bible household because I didn't get a lot of the references in the medieval text.

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's a really, I think, fruitful education to have, particularly in stories

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_02]: like this, where I think there's a lot of religious symbolism throughout the Darrell

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_02]: show and in the kind of environments that he's in, in Paris and this amazing architecture.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's part of the story, I think, to see whether he will start becoming more religious too.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it'll be interesting to see.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But I grew up in a church going household and I never listened. So I would have been just like

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_03]: you if I'd gone down that route.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Literally like as something, I don't know, resurrection maybe? Question mark?

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_03]: All right. So we move on to three or did you have any more notes about number two?

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, this is great. Okay, episode three, season one, episode three, Paris

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_02]: which I think is Paris today, Paris forever?

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Paris will always be Paris.

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Paris will always be Paris. After a brief stop in Angers, including a bizarre zombie orchestra

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_02]: performing Bolero, I remember that. That was great. Darrell's group finally reaches Paris.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_02]: There, after a poignant encounter with a little girl, now a zombie who used to be Isabel's

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_02]: neighbour, they meet a community led by a man named Falou.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I loved him.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_02]: With their help, Darrell seeks out information on a ship that can return him to America,

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: which leads the group to the Demimon nightclub and a reunion with Isabel's ex-boyfriend, Quinn.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Quinn reveals that he is Laurent's father and determines that Isabel and Laurent stay with him

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_02]: in exchange for his help. Darrell rejects the deal and prepares to set out on his own after an

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_02]: argument with Isabel, leading to Laurent running away after overhearing them.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Caudron meets with Jeanne, who agrees to let him lead the search for Darrell while her people

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_02]: continue experimenting with walkers. Beauvoir attacks Falou's community and Isabel searches

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_02]: for Laurent, while Darrell falls through a roof following a brutal fight with Caudron.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_02]: You fell into water, right?

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, yeah, that's right. But we didn't know that until the next episode.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_03]: We just saw him fall and that was it. Just sink through the, or the, of the roof.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_03]: But uh, do you remember when they were experimenting on that zombie? Caudron went to talk

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_03]: to Jeanne and she just sort of like, well I have to attend to something and brings him into this

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_03]: room where there's scientists with this zombie and it was chained up and it was going, ah!

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes!

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And then it broke free and slammed against the glass and then its head like,

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_03]: exploded.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, oh 16 seconds.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Back to the drawing board.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh and I loved the Demi Moon nightclub as well.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes!

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_03]: That, really that whole part of it made this my favorite episode because the idea is that

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_03]: this sort of lifeblood, this artistic spirit of Paris and um, sort of,

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_03]: all sort of, I don't know, nightclub lifestyle kept going throughout the apocalypse. I just

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_03]: loved it.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And we saw Jim Morrison's grave. They go to um,

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Perliches.

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah and, and uh, Daryl happens to notice it which I thought was a bit unrealistic because

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_03]: you really have to know where it is to find it and also Perliches is like at the north eastern

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_03]: corner of Paris I think and I'm like, they were coming from the south. How did they get up there?

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_03]: But uh, anyway, it was a beautiful location.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It was Paris baby!

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Shut up!

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Paris!

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Someone wrote an amazing article as well. I need to find out about Daryl Dixon

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and queer spaces and being in nightclubs with people who are kind of bohemian and

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_02]: esoteric and not necessarily heteronormative.

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Mainstream.

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought that was really interesting because that's definitely,

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like a bit of Norman Reedus in his kind of artistic life but it was also interesting

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_02]: for a character who's been quite desexualized in the show to be in a space like that

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_02]: with people who are living alternative lifestyles. So yeah, I found that interesting.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like he's there because they tell him, Isabelle's people that they meet up with in

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Paris tell him this is a place where deals are made so if you come we can try to find a way to

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_03]: get you on a ship to go back home. This is kind of like the cantina scene in Star Wars, you know,

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_03]: where they go to get a ship. Maybe that's what they were kind of thinking of, you know,

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_03]: they find Han Solo there. But anyways, so he's kind of on a mission and I didn't really look

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_03]: closely to see how he appreciates this space. Like does he care? Although he did stare at a

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_03]: piece of art for a while, I think like an impressionistic piece of art if I remember right.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think he had that much of a reaction towards the rest of it. He was just sort of

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_03]: on his mission. But I think Daryl's kind of a live and let live type person.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, definitely.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Most part right?

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely now. I think that's the evolution we see in the main show, isn't it?

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's right. A few notes about this one, Isabelle, she goes to her flat to get some drugs

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_03]: to trade for whatever Daryl's hoping to find at this club. And while she's there, she gets a

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_03]: sister to give to Laurent because it's his mom. And that's the first time he's ever seen his mom.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And that reminded me of what Michonne just did for Carl got the picture of

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Carl and Lori and Rick so they could show it to Judith at some point.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And he then has this fascination with the Eiffel Tower.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's right. And the woman I forgot her name but Quinn's girlfriend

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_03]: gives Laurent her Eiffel Tower necklace or something that he noticed.

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And she seems to be the one that realizes that's where he went later on and

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_03]: tells Quinn who goes after him.

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she's not all bad. Is she still alive? Do we know if she's dead?

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think so. Because by the end, she has betrayed Quinn with good reason because he just

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_03]: sort of was like, Oh, Isabelle's back.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It's back. Fuck you.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely. And getting her to help him get Isabelle back, like be his minion all of a sudden.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_03]: She's she says at one point, you need to give a woman a good reason to come to you. But you also

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_03]: need to give her a damn good reason to stay or something like that.

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I love her. She's like whimsical, sexy Parisian lady who's like,

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_02]: you're like, Yeah, go for it. I don't want to be a stepmother to this.

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_03]: She's the reason why Quinn gets captured by Janae. I think she gave Janae some information

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_03]: or something like that. And then Quinn had to fight Darrell at the end. But anyway, what else?

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_02]: For this episode, I just loved I loved the ambiance. I love the nightclub. I love being in

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Paris. Paris is fucking magical.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know. Like I like Spain, but I'm a little bit bummed that we're leaving Paris,

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_03]: but at least we get one more season in Paris. And it will be great to see the like Gaudi

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_03]: architecture in Spain. And yeah, I've never been to Madrid. So I have never been to Madrid. And

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I really want to go because one of my bucket list items is to see Guernica, the Pablo Picasso

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_02]: painting in real life. That's on my bucket list. So I want to do that. I'm just telling everyone

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_02]: out there for accountability. That's something I want to do. And yeah, I think Spain will Spain

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_02]: will pop on screen. But there's something about Paris that's just like nowhere else in the world.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And plus, we're better. We're not good at French, but we're better at French than we

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_01]: are Spanish. Oh, God. Can't confirm.

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Can't confirm.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So I for some reason had it in my notes to talk about Laurent here and watching it last night

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_03]: because I just had it in my head. Laurent's pretty annoying. And watching it last night,

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I realized that the reason why I have that in my head is because I hear it from other people.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't find that. It's not just you. It is you. But it's not just you. It's a lot of people

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and fans and stuff. And that's fine. Everybody's entitled to their own opinion. But I just want to

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_03]: say that I think he's great. He's a good kid. He's bright, polite, curious, sensitive,

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_03]: great hair, perceptive with people. He's compassionate, you know, and and he's not

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_03]: perfect either, which is good because then it would be too precocious or whatever. But but he's

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_03]: sometimes he makes mistakes and has foot failings, emotional failings or whatever.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_03]: But that makes him human. And so like some people would criticize him. Oh,

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_03]: you're too perfect. You just this little perfect thing. And then you make a mistake.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you fucked up, didn't you? But anyway, I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_02]: is he better than Judith?

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I mean,

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_02]: why go out for burgers when you've got steak at home?

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Judith is more perfect. So he's less perfect than her.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_02]: We're not even talking about RG here. We're just like, yeah, okay, whatever.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, RG is just played by this little like, he was a toddler.

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he was tiny and he kept his hand. He's very cute. I watched the ending of The Ones

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Who Live Again and I was like, oh, he's quite sweet.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's adorable. But I think in this kid that plays Laurent, uh, Louis,

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_03]: He's good.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_03]: His name is Pooch Sigooogly.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I gotta figure out how to say that. But anyway, he's I think he's really good. He's so contemplative

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and natural and, um, and, uh, you know, I do agree that this story of a gruff older man

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_03]: having to sort of escort this young innocent person is pretty played out, I guess.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's our podcast every week. I'm super young.

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Oh, wait, I thought you meant the other way around. No, I'm just kidding.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_03]: But, uh, but, you know, then again, you could say, oh, what about a story where a man loves

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_03]: a woman? You know, that's played out, I guess. I don't know. But, uh, anyway, I just think,

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and also the parts that where he can seem kind of annoying is when he just starts spouting facts,

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, and but the way that this kid whose name I won't try to pronounce again

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_03]: plays it, he's not like trying to brag about knowing things. He like when he says one time

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I walked backwards for a whole month or something like that. He reminds me of my son, Bodie, who's

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_03]: seven and just loves to talk about what he's doing. And he wants approval for things that

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_03]: he's good at or, but also just a way of sharing and being social. And he doesn't understand that

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_03]: it can come off as bragging or that no one really cares right now, you know, which I never say that

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_03]: to him, but I could see that being the case sometimes. And like that. So this kid just

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_02]: reminds me of a lot of kids in that way. I feel like you learn a lot more about

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Laurent when you see how coddled he's been by the people around him as well. That's one of

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_02]: the reasons I liked the episode with the other kids is you're suddenly like this kid is so

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_02]: underprepared for the world around him. Like he's so smart and he's been so cultivated in some ways.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Then in other ways, he's just so unprepared for what's about to happen.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Trevor Burrus He doesn't even want to eat a fish

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_03]: when they go out. Darryl has to tell him sometimes you need you have to do things you don't want to

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_03]: do. And so Darryl's parenting him and then he develops this. He just adores Darryl, looks up

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_03]: to him, which is another thing I find really endearing about him because of course you would,

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_03]: a little kid would be impressed with a guy like Darryl in a world like this, you know?

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Kate Leach Yeah, absolutely. Talk about

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_02]: a kind of male role model when your only other male role model has been a zombie that you keep

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_02]: locked in a bloody appendage to the Abbey who's just like bleh. I think yeah, you'd be pretty

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_02]: smitten with Darryl at that point. Trevor Burrus

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_03]: But one thing about him that I kind of worry about is, you know, we ended season one on a cliffhanger

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_03]: where Darryl was about to go get on this boat to go home and then you have Laurent, Darryl,

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_03]: who followed him out here. And I don't know if we realize this in the moment, but they play that

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_03]: song, It Takes a Second to Say Goodbye by U2, you know? And when I was watching it this time,

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_03]: the way I heard that was Darryl, it just takes a second to say goodbye. If you would have just said

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_03]: goodbye, then he wouldn't have followed you out here because Darryl left in the middle of the

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_03]: night when he was sleeping. So it's kind of Darryl's fault in a way. I don't know, maybe not.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a stretch. But anyway, we left on this cliffhanger and now we're coming back

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_03]: a second later, I'm sure in the series, but a year later for this kid. So he's going to look

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_03]: a head taller, I feel like. You know, his voice is going to be like this.

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Tess Terrible He's going to be recast as Timothy

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Shalomay. They're just going to be like, oh, it's a completely different person.

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I just think the conclusion of all of this is going to be like, if Darryl goes back to

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_02]: the Commonwealth, Judith and Argie essentially have to live with their fucking weird French pen

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_02]: for the rest of eternity in the Commonwealth. Darryl's like, I brought you a new sibling.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Tess Terrible Oh, wait, wait,

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_03]: oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. Tess Terrible

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if they bring Laurent back, Judith's going to be like, who's this? Why does he live with

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_02]: us now? Tess Terrible

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Why does he keep bragging about how good he is at Rubik's Cube?

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Tess Terrible Yeah, no one thinks that's cool.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Judith's like gutting a fish or something and he's like, Judith, have you ever played with

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Rubik's Cube? She's like, no. Darryl

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_03]: But honestly, I think the two of them would get along great. I think Judith would be fascinated

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_03]: by Laurent, you know? Tess Terrible

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Argie'd probably stab him though. I don't know what Argie's like.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Darryl I don't want competition.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, should we move on to the next one? Tess Terrible

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. Darryl

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_03]: That would be season one episode four, La Dame de Fer, which is what they call the Eiffel Tower,

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_03]: the Lady of Iron. Jenae begins a search for Laurent, seeking to eliminate him as he's a symbol

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_03]: of hope to the people. She hates that. As part of this, Jenae makes a deal with Quinn, who seeks

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Laurent in order to get Isabel back. After escaping from a flooded building and having a dream

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_03]: that a praying Laurent is ignored by a mob of walkers, Darryl encounters Antoine, who is killed

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_03]: by a guerrilla, but he helps the dying man to free his pigeons. Reuniting with Isabel, Darryl

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_03]: tracks Laurent to the ruins of the Eiffel Tower where the boy nearly falls victim to a herd.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_03]: When they're sitting at the Eiffel Tower, I don't remember if we noticed this before, but

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_03]: when Laurent approaches the Eiffel Tower and you look up and it looks like a plane or something

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_03]: or bomb has hit the top because it's all frayed. And then there's wind blowing and then the whole

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_03]: thing is groaning in the wind. And it's like it's going to fall over like it's straining, you know,

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_03]: it made me feel a little bit like, oh, oh God, you should probably not be standing there. That

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_03]: thing's gonna fall on you kid. Yeah, it's like moaning almost. Yeah, it's good. Good effects.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_03]: It goes on during the rescue, Laurent is kidnapped by Quinn's men and taken to

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Demimonde with the help of a captive whom he tortures and later abandons to walkers.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Darryl sneaks into the nightclub and rescues Laurent while Falou and his people create a

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_03]: distraction. Darryl overpowers Quinn while Anna, that's the Quinn's girlfriend disgruntled by

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Quinn's obsession with Isabel lets them go. Having fallen in love with Emil, Sylvie decides to stay

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_03]: in Paris with him while Isabel decides to stay in order to get Quinn to help Darryl and Laurent

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_03]: passage out. That whole side story, the other none. Yeah, Sylvie. Yeah. Oh, she was cute.

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_03]: This dapper rebel who told him he said something about his rebel grandma told him two things. One

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_03]: was something like always never give up or something and then how to dance. And then she

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_03]: he like twirls her while he's saying it. It's like I'm in the scene.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I just told him two things like something and then another. Something important. I don't know.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Something good and then something not good. I don't know. Something.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_03]: It seems like I should be writing Wikipedia articles.

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Darryl, Darryl and Laurent leave Paris on a boat heading to the nest,

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_03]: the union's main base. So what do you remember? Anything in particular about this one, Sylvie?

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You've got me thinking about Sylvie and her her sexy renegade man now.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Who basically convinced her to stop being a nun.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember really vividly them leaving on the boat and leaving without Isabel in this kind of sense

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_02]: and being just on their own. Darryl torturing. That was something we spoke about a lot on the

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_02]: podcast is the way Darryl was torturing that guy. Just stabbing him. Yeah. While he's telling the

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_03]: story of little Jimmy, whose dad asked him or told him to kill the pig out back. And

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Jimmy decided to just stab him a little bit so he wouldn't actually have to kill him,

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_03]: but it made the pig suffer more. And he's stabbing this guy over and over again while

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_03]: he's giving this like Batman villain like speech. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, this seems

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_02]: it was weird. And the man with the pigeons, he was so sweet. He was like something of a proper

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_02]: little French alternative movie. And yeah, I was sad about his pigeons. It felt like a little

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_03]: French film there, like a little short film because they're Darryl and him are in the road

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_03]: talking and he's got his cart with his pigeons in the cage. And then Darryl hears somebody coming

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_03]: down the road and he's like, come on, we got to go to the site. And the guy's like, I don't want

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_03]: to leave my pigeons. He's like, come on, you got to get out of here. So they hide behind this like

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_03]: obstruction. And then the bad guys come and they immediately see this cart of pigeons and they go,

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_03]: they grab it and they take it into their car. And the old man comes like waddling out. No, no,

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_03]: no, no. And Darryl's like, no, no, no. So Darryl waits to see. Right. And then they're like,

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I need, he's like, I need the pigeons and they shoot him. And then Darryl comes out and kills

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_03]: them all. And then the guy's laying there dying and he goes, let my pigeons free. Let my children

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_02]: fly. It's great. I, oh, it was so good. And I think as well with this episode, I really enjoyed,

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just, my brain is like trying to bring me back to this. Yeah. These different sides to

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_02]: everyone. The decision that Isabel makes to stay surprised me. And then of course we've got this,

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_02]: this vision that Darryl has of Laurent being ignored by the walkers. It's very, I don't know,

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_03]: there's a lot of atmosphere. Because we didn't know that was a dream at first. So it seemed

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_03]: a little bit like, oh wait, Laura, is he, is he the Messiah? Something weird is happening here. Oh,

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_03]: wait, it's just Darryl drowning. And then we had the scene when you figure out that it's Darryl

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_03]: underwater and then he like stabs a couple of zombies underwater and see their blood come out

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_03]: into the water. It was pretty art, artistically cool. Yeah. Yeah. It's very, very awesome.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And then the thing Quinn, you were trying to figure out where Quinn is coming from here and

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_03]: he kidnaps Laura in order to draw Isabel to him and he's ignoring his girlfriend, Anna, Anna. And

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_03]: so it's like, ah, I guess he just loves Isabel. And that's what he's trying to, well, love quote

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_03]: unquote. He's trying to like capture her for himself. And he's wanting to be a father to

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Laura with Isabel at his side. It sort of reminded me of the governor with Penny and Andrea because

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_03]: he's just trying to force the situation where nobody involved wants to be in the situation,

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_02]: you know? And this, this kind of obsession with, um, Isabel because he can't have her.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And just that, that way in which she's pulled away from him, he can't live with that. He can't

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_02]: deal with it. Yeah. He can't deal with that rejection. It's, it's very believable.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if we talked about that, but he, he collects art and whiskey and probably a bunch

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_03]: of different things. And I think that mindset is similar to the way he looks at Isabel.

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Possession. Yeah. Possession who's, who he's lost and wants to get back desperately,

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_02]: but she doesn't want to come back, mate. All right. So we want, yes, way, way, uh,

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_02]: series one episode five do it more. Oh, this is where we find out some backstory. So in Maine,

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Darryl helps to capture walkers in exchange for fuel. He needs to get home.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_02]: He briefly makes contact with Carol who tells him someone has come back. After Juno murders,

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_02]: the young man whom Darryl was mentoring an altercation between the two causes them to be

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_02]: put on the Pouvoir ship. The two were together to escape, but Juno is torn apart by one of Pouvoir's

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_02]: test subjects who displays enhanced abilities similar to multiple variants. In the present,

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Isabel struggles to adjust being with Quinn again, even considering killing him with a knife.

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And receives a hidden message from Sylvie, Faru and Amir. Isabel agrees to join a Pouvoir celebration

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_02]: with Quinn only to have a jealous Anna betray them. Darryl, Laurent and Aslan continue their

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_02]: journey to the nest, but Aslan is killed during a fight with several walkers. Before dying,

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_02]: he reveals that the nest is at Mont Saint-Michel, but Laurent cuts a rope and lets their boat float

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_02]: off wishing to go to America with Darryl instead. That was the most annoying thing you did. I got it.

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_02]: That was very fucking annoying. The two and Quinn are captured by Guerrières,

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_02]: and Jeunet coerces Laurent into making a show of support at an event she holds,

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_02]: where Jeunet pits Darryl in a gladiator fight against one of her enhanced walkers,

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_02]: unaware that Sylvie, Faru and Amir have infiltrated the event. A lot happens in that episode.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. So the whole backstory with Darryl meeting this gang who's capturing walkers,

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_03]: he doesn't know why. It's because Jeunet's people have come there to get walkers for some reason to

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_03]: bring over for experimentation. But then there's this young guy who's... They're giving them walkers

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_03]: in exchange for fuel. And this one young guy says that his girlfriend, he wants to get her away

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_03]: from her father, her evil father or something, but he has to come back with fuel. And he's very inept.

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_03]: He's not able to capture a walker. He's trying to get Darryl to help him. Everybody's making

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_03]: fun of him, all the other guys. And then you see they bring him back as a walker, this young guy,

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_03]: and Darryl deduces that they killed him to do it. And then Darryl starts trouble and fights the guy.

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's why they say the rules are no fighting. So now we're taking you on our ship as I don't

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_03]: know why part of this whole experimentation or something. Maybe they were going to make him a

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_03]: walker too. I think they were going to throw him in a pit of walkers on the ship.

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_02]: We're still a bit vague about what's going on there, aren't we? Yeah.

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. I mean, they're injecting them with this stuff that makes them very aggressive and strong

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_03]: and they use those walkers in the arena fight at the end against Darryl and Quinn.

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe it's just a fighting force. Jenea wants them as a fighting force,

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_03]: but I don't know if we know that for sure. Yeah, it feels like there's still questions

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_03]: to be answered there. Yeah, we'll figure it out. But, uh, that we get Darryl calling Carol on the

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_03]: radio here because he gets to a radio and this is where she says, came back and then she fades out.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And I swear I got to listen to it again, but this time I thought you could hear the end of

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_03]: word Rick. It came back, but I don't know for sure, but we know it could happen. That's probably

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_02]: what she was saying. Yeah. Cause do we know, was there any, so we know that there was a whole

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_02]: thing with the world beyond was supposed to come out after the ones who live or something like

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_02]: that. Was there ever any mix up between the two or was it always supposed to be in this order?

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, the ones who live in Darryl. Oh, I think no, I think we know that Darryl,

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I pretty sure we figured out the timeline that Rick would have been back at this time, but

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_03]: that would motivate him to come back. I think. Yeah. Because I think one to live ends before

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_03]: we see, Oh God, I don't remember the time, but I think we figured it out that she was

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_03]: probably talking about Rick. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Um, there was a scene on this ship

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_03]: when Darryl's causing mayhem, right? He, they try to throw him into this Walker pit and he ends up

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_03]: throwing the two guys that are trying to push him in. He throws them in instead. And then he goes

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_03]: in and there's all these, uh, like cells. It's like a prison ship or something filled with

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_03]: zombies and he lets them out and there's explosions and everything. And right as he's about to like,

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_03]: go get on a lifeboat or something, there's one of those super powerful zombies there. And he,

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_03]: he and this other guy are fighting it. And it was just such a great scene.

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like none, a criticism I have of all of the spin offs so far is that we really haven't

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_02]: gone into the variance. Like none of the shows have really gone into like what they are and what

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_02]: they do. Like I think it was hinted at, I think this one more than others, but I've just felt a

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_02]: bit like that was something that was really teased in the end of the main show. And we just, we

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_02]: haven't really hasn't really kind of been a main plot point yet. And I want to know more about them.

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. I mean, I, my guess is the main point of the variance is because they wanted to make the show

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_03]: more thrilling. How can we make it? Cause the zombies are dumb and slow. How do we make them

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_03]: feel like more of a threat? You know, let's make some fast, strong, aggressive ones that can grab

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_03]: things and whatever. And then we'll figure out where they came from later or maybe they know,

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_03]: but that's not the main point is I don't think the main point necessarily is to introduce this new

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_03]: storyline where we explore the origins and the variations of the zombies as much as it is to

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_03]: make more thrills. But then you have to do that other part too though, right?

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. I would just like to know a bit more about them. I'm just like, come on, let's have a bit

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_03]: more of this. Aslan was also great. Yeah, that's right. Except his death was very dumb because

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_03]: we just see him like they go to camp Aslan and Daryl and Laurent and then it's just like some

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_03]: growling that you don't see. And then all of a sudden he's like stuck to a telephone post.

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh no, I have been bitten.

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. And it's this guy who's clearly had this amazing life and has survived through the apocalypse

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_03]: and now he has this sort of uneventful death. So he just felt like a tool, you know, but he was good.

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Amazing life until he met Laurent and now he's dead.

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Laurent has that Rick factor.

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_02]: He does. He's a little tiny French Rick.

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_03]: All right. Final one.

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Season one, episode six, coming home, coming home after Daryl kills the walker.

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Daryl and Quinn are Merle and Daryling it.

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Daryl. Oh yeah. The one at the arena. Yeah. Daryl and Quinn

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_03]: chain together, kill several enhanced walkers. What?

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I forgot to say in the last episode, sorry. This is going to really wreck the flow of it.

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I loved the Nazi Germany style get together. They went to where everyone's dressed up all

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_02]: 1930s style for this Pouvoir event. I thought the aesthetics of that were brilliant and it

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of continues into this scene where people are sort of being for blood and there's flags

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_03]: and things. Yeah. And they're like, yeah, they want the zombies to succeed. It's a bit like

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Rocky four when Rocky goes to Russia, you know, they want the zombies to succeed. But then when

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Daryl defeats the Zeds, Daryl and Quinn, then they're all going dig zone, dig zone.

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. There's like a bit of a turn there, isn't there? Cause they're suddenly like, yeah.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Fairweather fans basically.

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It's great. They're just slutty. They're slutty fans. What can we say?

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_03]: So after Daryl kills the walker, Daryl and Quinn chain together, kill several enhanced walkers in

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_03]: a bad-ass fight. It's so good. Yeah. It's so good. Cause they, they, they hate each other,

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_03]: but they make a great team. Um, before Falou kills the guerrilla, ordered to shoot them in

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_03]: the chaos that follows the group escapes with a bit and Quinn sacrificing himself to buy Daryl time.

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And he like asks Daryl to chop off his hand so they can get free of the restraints. And then

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_03]: he's going to go back and distract the people chasing them. So Daryl can get away. But he says,

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_03]: can you make sure to tell Sylvia I did this? Or I mean, tell Isabel I did this.

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Yeah. Which is just such a like weak, but also perfect thing for him to say. Make sure she

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_03]: knows. It's kind of sweet cause he's about to die anyway. So it's like, all right.

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_03]: All right. But you're right. It's kind of weak too. Um,

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, I think you're right. It's weak and sweet. It's very him. I think it's like,

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah, make sure she knows. Cause you wouldn't want to make sure you'd be like, God, imagine if I do

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_02]: this and no one appreciates it. But at the same time you can't imagine like a real hero,

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_03]: like Daryl doing something like that. Yeah. No way. Never. Uh, let's see. Quinn reanimates,

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_03]: forcing Laurent to put his biological father down with Daryl's encouragement. That was the other

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_03]: sort of annoying moment. Cause zombie Quinn is just on Isabel, you know, she's trying to hold

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_03]: him off and he's like, and Daryl's behind a gate. So he can't get through. And he hands, uh,

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Laurent an axe and is like, go ahead and kill him. And Laurent's like, I don't want to.

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, come on. God will forgive you. Do it. She's going to die.

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_02]: God will forgive you. Will he? It doesn't matter. Do it.

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Just do it. I will forgive you if you don't. Um, so after going their separate ways from Falou and

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Emil, Daryl's group resumes journeying towards Mont Saint-Michel but are attacked by Jeunesse

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_03]: men unable to kill a child called drone shoots the other Gary errors instead promising to get

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_02]: revenge on Daryl later. I mean, he's not like I said, I was going to go to the gym later and

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I've not done it. So like, yeah, you should just do it in the moment. Come on. You already shot

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_03]: six guys. What's one more? Uh, upon his return, Jeunesse deduces Codron's betrayal and has him

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_03]: tortured for information. Daryl's group finally reaches the nest where they settle in. Daryl

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_03]: becomes conflicted when staying in, uh, between staying in France and returning to America.

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Union of hope leader low saying the range is passage to New Newfoundland for Daryl

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_03]: chooses to leave despite Isabelle's comparing his abandoning Laurent to Daryl's abandonment by

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_03]: his own father. They were just laying it on so thick to with Daryl. I don't care that you have

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_03]: a family. You should stay here with us. Uh, we are, you're fine. We have a thousand people here

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_03]: at the Normandy American cemetery and Memorial Day and Memorial. Daryl visits the grave of his

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_03]: grandfather, William T. Dixon, who died on D day on Omaha beach. Darryl prepares to board a boat,

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_03]: but hesitates when he sees Laurent secretly followed him and has a herd of walkers closing

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_03]: in on him near Freeport, Maine. Carol searches for Daryl finding his motorcycle after Carol

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_03]: captures it's hostile writer. He directs Carol to where he found it. And then she leaves him

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_03]: in the trunk and says, if you're lying, I'm not coming back. We also get that cool. It opens.

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Does it not with a flashback of William Dixon? Will she come back to see, to get the guy from

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_03]: the trunk or is he just in the trunk forever? I think he might be in the trunk forever.

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_03]: That's pretty harsh, man. I'd rather just die. You're lucky in the trunk and the apocalypse

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_03]: kill me first. Um, yeah, we saw a flashback of, uh, Daryl's grandpa or Daryl's grandpa

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_03]: in, uh, in D day. And that whole, the whole point of that Darryl talks a few times about

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_03]: like, they're trying to get him to stay and he's like comparing it to the wars where people go

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_03]: off and fight for someone else's cause and then they die. And then their whole family suffers.

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Like his grandpa went off and got killed and then his family suffered because of that. And he doesn't

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_03]: want to be like that for his family back home. I mean, excellent points all to be honest. Yeah.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_03]: European vacation. So yeah, but also the arena fight was so well, we already talked about it,

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_02]: but it was amazing. That was awesome. It was really, really great. Um, I loved Mont Saint

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Michel. I loved the whole community there. It was so magical. You'd think it was made up,

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_02]: but it's a real place and, uh, oh, it was just so cool. I got to go there now. I,

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_03]: when I was in Scotland, I was like, can I get down there? But I know Peter and I had the same

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_02]: thing where like we could, could be, I don't know. Did Chris Fairhurst get there when he was over,

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_03]: over in France? I think he might have. Yeah. Yeah. I got to ask him about that. We'll have to get

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_03]: to talk about it. Cause it sounds amazing. That'd be cool. Yeah. Uh, the whole, uh,

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_03]: pouvoir de vivant that's Janay's group. Right. Um, I was sort of not that interested. She gave

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_03]: a whole speech during the arena that laid out what her vision is and her, what she's trying to do.

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And I just kind of ignored it. So I got to get back into that, but they're sort of like the CRM.

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_03]: She's saying things like we have to do the hard unspeakable things now so that they won't have to.

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And she doesn't like hope or religion or anything. She's like very pragmatic and practical and

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_03]: okay with cruelty if it helps the mission and stuff like that. But she's like the main power in

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_03]: France, it seems like. And I think she's going to be the villain going forward, which is why I'm

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_02]: bothering to talk about her. She's formidable. Hold me down. But she is formidable. Yeah,

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_03]: definitely. She kind of reminds me just of a young Nancy Pelosi in a way. Not trying to make

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_02]: any political statement there, but just her vibe. Powerful women. We love to see it.

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, and then with Carol seeing her with this guy. So first, uh, you see a guy on a motorcycle,

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_03]: you see this car, this like muscle car coming up behind him and, um, he shoots at the car

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_03]: and then it stops and he goes over and it's Carol inside. And after just coming off of

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_03]: the walking dead, not too long before this series, you're like, Carol's a fucking bad

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_03]: ass. This guy better watch out. But watching coming to it from watching the rewatch, I felt

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I know Carol's a badass, but the feeling was a little different. It was like, um, oh man,

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope she's okay. Even though I know what happened. You feel differently about her,

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_02]: she's at a different stage in her development where we're at in the main show, isn't she?

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_02]: She's just not quite there yet. Yeah. Yep. It was a great finale and it did make me want more,

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_02]: which I think is, is very important. You about to get it. Oh yes. I, it seems to have come

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_02]: quite quickly as well because we've been quite spoiled cause we had the ones who live,

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_03]: we've been doing the rewatch. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Cause it's been, uh, about a year. So

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_03]: it's almost like normal TV back 20 years ago when things would come out. Yeah. Rather than

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_02]: every three years. Yeah, exactly. So that's our catch up for Darryl season one. Any predictions

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_03]: for season two? Uh, predictions. I have more hopes. Like I hope I kind of hope as much as I was

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_03]: trying to stand up for Laurent, I'm not sure I want to see Laurent going to Spain.

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I want them to wrap up his story and have him stay with Isabel probably and have Carol and

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Darryl go off to Spain. I mean, right. I don't, I love my girl Carol, but would you want your

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_02]: child near her for an extended period of time? It's all the same for the wrongs own good.

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. New prediction. No, I'm just kidding. It may be as good if Carol and Laurent are not in the

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_03]: same place for too long of a time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's so funny. Yeah. It'll be interesting

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_03]: to see how they, those two relate. Uh, other than that, I mean, I just, I just hope that it's

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_03]: as good as the first season. I don't really have any predictions. I just want them to move on to

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_03]: new things. I'd like for them to sort of wrap up stuff this season in a satisfying way and move on

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_03]: to new stories, but I suspect that maybe they'll wrap up with Laurent, but, but Jenae will still

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_02]: be a factor going into Spain. What about you? Yeah, I could see that. Um, I think they might

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_02]: be heading towards a Darryl Isabel romance, which is interesting. So yeah. Right. And,

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and will Isabel go to Spain? See, I kind of think not for some reason. I bet you she dies

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_02]: by the end of this season. I mean, again, would you want your girlfriend going near Darryl?

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_03]: You might throw some fish at her. Yeah.

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Obvious threat to untold numbers of citizens. Are they slow moving chief? Yeah, they're dead.

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_00]: They're all messed up. This is a walking dead cast news update.

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So there's an article on entertainmentweekly.com about all things Darryl getting ready for

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_03]: season two. There's a few interesting parts I marked down here. Um, the article says no

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_03]: character in the walking dead universe is harder to get closer to than Darryl who locks his heart

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_03]: in a fortress more impenetrable than the sanctuary. And the actor playing him is just

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_03]: as fiercely protective of the people he allows into his characters inner circle. Witness this

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_03]: exchange between the star and showrunner. So David Zabel says he's a showrunner. Can I say

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_03]: that you love Laurent? Norman Reedus says no. Zabel, you don't think he loves Laurent? No.

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Man, come on. Rita says, I don't think Darryl's so easy to love anybody. I think it's an earned

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_03]: thing. Zabel says, you don't think Laurent's earned it? Rita says, not like that. I think the

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_03]: same way that if I found a puppy in the rain and there was a bunch of traffic, I would probably get

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_03]: it out of the traffic. I don't know that I would fall in love with a puppy. I don't know the puppy

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_03]: would have to earn my love. With that Zabel can only laugh and shrug his shoulders. Hey, I tried.

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I knew I couldn't get away with it. I love that. And what I love, I mean, if we ever did get Reedus

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_03]: on again, I would want to ask him how much input he has. And I think this little exchange makes it

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_03]: pretty clear. It seems like he has final say, you know, on things. And then another interesting part,

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_03]: um, Melissa McBride's talking about the, about Darryl and Carol. They are the only two left says

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_03]: McBride of the only remaining season one OG still on active walking dead duty. They were just so

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_03]: close in the beginning and they have a very long tight bond with each other. And it's been

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_03]: challenged so many times. And to tell this story that we're telling now is just beautiful to me

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: all these years later. And then the article says, but the love between and for Darryl and Carol goes

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_03]: beyond mere long longevity. There's a reason the duo connected and a reason why this platonic

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_03]: connection between two characters originally on the periphery became the most treasured in

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_03]: franchise history quote, when the first, when the show first started, it was all Rick says,

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_03]: read us. And then it was the Rick Shane, Lori triangle. So we were sort of in the background

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_03]: a bit, but our stories were so honest and people related to them. So they have a very, they have,

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like the same awareness that we do about their characters, you know,

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_03]: definitely talked about them in similar terms. Yeah. There's another part where David's able

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_03]: points out, points out how they're connected because similar that we've talked about,

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_03]: they've been empowered in the apocalypse. Like the apocalypse has actually brought out

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_03]: better sides of their character that they were both oppressed and then they became powerful

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and heroic. And, uh, Melissa McBride says they have an interesting dichotomy. They kind of

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_03]: chafe each other. And then they have this incredible ease. They're patient with each

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_03]: other and they're impatient with each other. She pauses and laughs kind of like me and Norman.

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Greg Nicotero said it always intrigues me when people complain about, well,

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_03]: season two, nothing happened. It was kind of slow. And my response to that always is the

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_03]: reason that you love Darrell and the reason you love Carol is because season two took the time

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_03]: to create these characters. You see Carol broken and Darrell steps up and makes this valiant effort

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_03]: to go save her. They're both broken people who find each other. I thought that was a good point.

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause I'm down on season two sometimes. Uh, Rita's chafes a bit when asked about a possible

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Darrell and Isabel romance quote. I don't want to be so on the nose with the shipping and all

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_03]: of that bullshit, which I hate people like to couple people up. People like to say, Ooh, romance,

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's bigger than that. It's bigger than just, are they a couple or not? Will it be a couple?

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Will they kiss? This is a guy who has entire young adult life has been running and fighting.

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_03]: It's all he's done. He's never had an opportunity to date or to go through those doors before.

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_03]: So wherever this ends up, just keep that in mind. And my question to him would be, but do they kiss?

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But are they doing it? Will they do it? Are they going to do it? Do they want to do it?

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Vooley, boo, koo-shaw, koo-shay, a-veck, each other.

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And then there was more to the article about what's coming up in the second season,

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_03]: but I find it kind of spoilery and I don't like to talk about that kind of stuff on the podcast.

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'll put a link in the show notes if you want to read it, I'll give you one tidbit.

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_03]: At some point this season, they will be going to the Louvre.

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they're in Paris. You have to go to the Louvre in Paris. God.

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And the Mona Lisa is makes the actual Mona Lisa makes an appearance.

[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, as a zombie?

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_03]: She climbs out of the picture.

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever seen the Lonely Island film, Popstar, Never Stop Stopping?

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I should watch that.

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God, there's a song in it about the Mona Lisa. It cracks me up.

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that Will Ferrell?

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_02]: No, Andy Samberg.

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And the song, it's about how overrated the Mona Lisa is. It just makes me laugh every time.

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Now it's really written the Mona Lisa for me. But yeah, wonderful.

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it is. I went to the Louvre and it was amazing. The Louvre, right? But when you go to

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_03]: where the Mona Lisa is, have you ever been there?

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's behind. It's like this, what do you call it? Roped off.

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It's very far away.

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Crowd of people taking pictures and it's behind glass very far away. And you're behind the whole

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_03]: crowd. Just like, Hey, yeah, I kind of see a picture of a girl over there.

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_02]: You should check out the song. It's really funny. It always makes me laugh.

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Sounds good. Okay. Two more quick things. One, Daryl season three is currently filming in Madrid

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_03]: with quote extensive location shooting planned in the Galicia, Aragon, Catalonia and Valencia

[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_03]: regions, each providing a new and unique backdrop for the post-apocalyptic world.

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: One of which is near Alicante where I was on my holiday.

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I was curious. Yeah.

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Yeah. So I was trying to get Norman to come on for number 600, but I don't know if he would

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_03]: anyway, but since they're filming, it seems unlikely. So don't expect that.

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Since I scared him off in the hotel, it's probably even less likely. So you're welcome listeners.

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_03]: He said only if it's in person.

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, damn it.

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And then last is about the last of us, HBO CEO, Casey Bloys told deadline that they aim to start

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_03]: the next seasons of the last of us and the white Lotus in time for them to be considered for the

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Emmys next year, which would mean they have to premiere by May 31st of 2025. So we know both

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_03]: shows will most likely start by May 31st. Okay. Okay. That's some good expectation management.

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I like it. Yeah. Yeah. And also, I mean, it could, they could start January 1st,

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_03]: but just sometime in that timeframe. Also they're casting this Harry Potter series.

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_03]: You know about that? I did.

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_03]: There's going to be a Harry Potter series on HBO. They're looking for their new Harry,

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Hermione and Ron. They're trying to launch by late 2026 or early 2027.

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And Mark Milod who worked on game of Thrones and succession is one of the directors. So

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_03]: hopefully that'll be good.

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how to break it to you, but I think we might be too old.

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, never.

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: No, we'll turn off.

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_03]: It's rated TVMA. So yeah, I'll be fine.

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_02]: They've just had really hard lives. Okay. It's been a hard term at Hogwarts.

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_03]: All right. That's it for the news. Let's move on to listener bones, groans and grunts.

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So I just asked people, uh, I think what they were hoping for, for season two.

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Amazing. And Steve Brown says, can't wait for season two. You and I both.

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Hoping there will be a season.

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: He's just hoping that it's going to come in. Do you know what Steve? It is.

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_03]: It's coming. Uh, and when Carver Holt-Talzant says no sleeves, I hope Daryl wears no sleeves.

[01:10:55] [SPEAKER_02]: His sleeves go to the same place that Vin Diesel's sleeves go.

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Gloria Lettree-Hernand says I can't wait for Daryl and Carol's reunion scene.

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope they don't make us wait a wicked long time.

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Yeah. I hadn't even thought about that, but that's a good point.

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I would like to see that in episode one.

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. That'd be good. Take a hint from the ones who live.

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_03]: They're done.

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Renee says, despite knowing it's unlikely, I'm hoping to see

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Racheon in the final episode of this season with Daryl Dixon season three renewal,

[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_03]: the entire team can reunite to fight the variant zombies. So she's hoping that Rick shows up in

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and then stars in season three and it will be the walking dead, Daryl Dixon,

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_03]: the book of Carol and here's Rick or something like that.

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Stuff and things.

[01:11:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Stuff and things by Rick.

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_03]: If they do a reunion, yeah. Like an avenger style final episode where you see everybody,

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_03]: it can be called the walking dead stuff and things.

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Stuff and things. I love that.

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Lani Gilbert says I'll be interested to see how Carol reacts to Laurent due to her

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: complicated history with children. Ann Wynn Carver Hothausen says observez les flous Laurent.

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_03]: That's so funny.

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, wait, wait.

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Rachel Teal Edwards says more Trey super cool zombie shit, more Daryl in European outfits.

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I'm excited for the Daryl Carol reunion, but I'm going to enjoy whatever time we have left

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_03]: just with Daryl and his own adventures and self discovery and whatnot. Rachel just, I think,

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_03]: binged Daryl and she loved it.

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's really good. Um, Andy Fisher says I'm hoping Carol comes in and does a terminus.

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Also, I'm curious about the cities in France. It looks beautiful, but did they ring true to you?

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Also only on the walking dead and the timeline information and the department for suspension

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: of disbelief. We can continue doing those. That's our thing.

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been to France a couple of times, mainly Paris.

[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Paris rang true for me.

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, they're filming it there.

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not sure what you mean, Andy. Like they're filming it in France. So yeah,

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_02]: totally. You should go, man.

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, usually there's more people and cars and stuff and less zombies.

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would say at least a few less zombies overall. Depends which nightclub you go to.

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_03]: He says I'm hoping Carol comes in and does a terminus. So he wants her to like start eating

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_03]: people or...

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_02]: That's definitely how I read.

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what he meant. Or blowing shit up.

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Or blowing shit up. Both are valid.

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Ben Beck says I'm still waiting to hear back, but I'll most likely be in New York City next

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_03]: month for Paley Fest New York showcase for Daryl Dixon Book of Carol. And if I'm approved means

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll get to see advanced screenings of some episodes as well as get to interview Norman

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_03]: and Melissa. They're also having a showcase of what we do in the shadows that same day.

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_03]: That is cool. Ask Norman if he remembers the woman from the bathrobe in Spain.

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_03]: The woman in the bathrobe in Spain.

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll text you some photos, Ben.

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll text you, okay?

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Just put me on speaker.

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_03]: That'd be funny if we tried to just whatever connections we have of people who might interview

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_03]: him and convince them to ask that.

[01:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember in Alicante, right? And he's like, no, I obviously don't remember this.

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, but it was so memorable. And he's like, you're mental. I'm like, fair enough.

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like women in bathrobes approach me all the time.

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, this is like a regular day for me.

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome, Ben. That's really cool.

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm very jealous. That's really cool. If that happens, you'll have to come on and tell us

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: all about it. That'd be amazing.

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Also, we have all the screeners. So nanny, nanny.

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Matthew Rimmer says more stunning French landscapes and architecture.

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It helps give the show its feel and keep tapping into the rich vein that is Daryl's dry sense of

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: humor. Norman Reedus has been gifted some of the best dialogue he's ever had in this show,

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_02]: especially compared to that season or two mid The Walking Dead where Daryl got little

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: more than grunting. Yeah, fair. I'm also intrigued to see Carol and Isabel interact

[01:15:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and hopefully there'll be less of a delay in getting season two in the UK.

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_02]: A year long wait in the UK means I'm only just now getting to your season one coverage as I

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: had to avoid all spoilers. I would hope, Matthew, that because there's a deal now and they've got

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_02]: a network that it will be less of a wait. But you just know. It's been kind of rubbish for my UK

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_03]: folks. Have you heard anything? You haven't heard anything, huh? Because, yeah, we didn't really

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_03]: look it up, but you'd hope it would be coming out at the same time. Yeah, you would really hope so.

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Wyman Owen, who I haven't heard from in a while, says France won't know what hit them. I'm so glad

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_03]: that Melissa McBride came back for season two after she took some time off and opted out of

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_03]: season one. Carol's going to do some unpredictable shit. People are going to die. He's like

[01:15:51] [SPEAKER_03]: immediately predicting what's going to happen. The journey to France could be interesting. Boat,

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_03]: plane, not strands blimp. However it happens, this is going to be a reunion of two people I

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_03]: won't want to miss. Side note, I started listening to y'all again, went back to your first episode

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_03]: of the rewatch and to my surprise, I left a comment regarding The Walking Dead destinies.

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_03]: If there's a price drop, I'll pick it up and let you know how crappy it really is. I haven't

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_03]: listened since The Walking Dead finale. Sorry, I'm back now and I missed this. Can't wait for

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_03]: the book of Carol. Don't get bit. Bye. He's already got the bye. So Wyman, it's so great to have you back.

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of old friends, we've got Lara Willis Swink who says I'm so excited to be in France

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_02]: again. I'm really curious to how the hell Carol makes it back to France and how she's going to

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_02]: find a proverbial needle in a haystack. But Daryl and Carol always make it back to each other. So

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_02]: the only question will be how long will it take? Since Lauren Ridloff is obviously tied up with

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_02]: the MCU and Connell is never going to be a thing. I'm fully on the is a Bixen ship, if for anything,

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_02]: to wash the bad taste of what's her name dog's mom from my memory. Plus, I love Clamont's posy.

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_02]: She's obviously beautiful, but she also has a broken sadness that might understand the loneliness

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_02]: in Daryl. I look forward to seeing Laurent because I really like the kid. I'm hoping he toughens up

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_02]: a bit more, but I still want him to have the hope and kindness he had in season one. I'd like them

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_02]: to resolve the Messiah issue, but I did kind of like the mysticism that it lent to the show that

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_02]: vibes with the most beautiful settings featured in season one and really hope the show retains that

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of set it apart from the main show. I love that Jason always calls it the Daryl show instead

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_02]: of Daryl Dixon. I say keep that up, but now you'll have to call it the Daryl and Carol show

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_02]: rather than Daryl Dixon, the book of Carol chapter five verses one through seven. Thanks, Lara. I

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_03]: think they they do hashtag Carol C-A-R-Y-L, but that just sounds like Carol. I love all that,

[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Laura, and I agree with everything you just said. Yeah. Great message. Andrea Abarca says,

[01:18:02] [SPEAKER_03]: hi Jason and Lucy. It's been a while since I've written in, but I've been loving the podcast

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_03]: and listening in every week. Thank you. Hoping you're feeling better, Jason. I'm not, but thanks

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_03]: a little better. I know you're doing a recap of Daryl Dixon today, so all I will say is I've been

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_03]: loving the rewatch. I haven't been watching this season because the governor makes my skin crawl

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_03]: dibs to David Morrissey for being such a great actor, but I've loved all the great insights

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_03]: that talk about music and reliving some of the best moments of all our beloved characters,

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_03]: which brings me to Daryl. I'm so excited to see what happens in season two. I can't wait

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_03]: for Daryl and Carol to find each other. I'll make one comment about the news Jason read last week

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_03]: about romance between Daryl and Carol. I'm one of those that always wanted that. So Isabel, no,

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_03]: ew, please no. Maybe Carol will think she's a zombie and shoot an arrow in her head.

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh wow. Did I say that out loud? Sorry, Isabel.

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. Maybe we don't need to shoot her, but still, ew, no. Anyway, I look forward to watching The

[01:19:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Book of Carol with you guys. Can't wait. Thank you for always making my week. I look forward

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_03]: to listening. Love you guys. Don't get bit. Bye. Thanks, Andrea. You know, I got to admit

[01:19:10] [SPEAKER_03]: during the rewatch now in the prison with Carol and Daryl, you know, being so sweet with each

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_03]: other and stuff, there's part of me that still feels, I never was a shipper for them, but there

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_03]: is a part of me that's like, oh, maybe it could have been nice. You know, I'm glad they haven't,

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_02]: but I get that feeling. I love that Andrea says maybe she'll think she's a walker and shoot her

[01:19:31] [SPEAKER_02]: in the head. I think Carol would shoot her in the head anyway. Oh, I love that. Thank you, Andrea.

[01:19:39] [SPEAKER_02]: We have a letter here from Dina. Dina says, I already bought a very good bottle of Sancerre

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_02]: in anticipation of the big game next Sunday and my husband will make a cassoulet. Oh,

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I love it when you tie in food and drink with a show. 10 out of 10. My hopes are that season two

[01:19:55] [SPEAKER_02]: will sustain the same magic as season one and continue its exploration of the themes of art,

[01:19:59] [SPEAKER_02]: religion and war. I am nervous about adding Carol to the mix, but she's always encouraged Daryl to

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_02]: grow, pursue healthy romantic attachments, aka Connie, and express his feelings like any good

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_02]: mother slash friend would do. There is one flaw in season one that I hope is remedied. The tattoos.

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Norman Reedus owns this character. He's carved Daryl from stone and he doesn't miss a detail

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_02]: in shaping him. So how did he shrug at the tattoo inconsistencies? From the start of the flagship

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_02]: show, his breast tattoo and the back demons are prominent. That's canon. By the end of the series,

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Reedus acquires a heart outline on his chest, an intricate rabbit on his arm, his big bald head

[01:20:35] [SPEAKER_02]: logo and three crosses on his hand. It bothered me that he chose not to hide these, especially

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: the rabbit, which is too detailed to be done post-apocalypse slash pre-commonwealth. The

[01:20:46] [SPEAKER_02]: choice jars me out of Daryl's character and smack into Norman's personal life. It gets worse into

[01:20:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Harold Dixon. The heart outline is on full display shortly after he leaves the beach.

[01:20:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So why then, when he's taking a bath, are there absolutely no tattoos on his chest?

[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_02]: To be fair, a scar covers his Norman tattoo. I buy that. But where is the giant heart tattoo?

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_03]: It would be weird if he had Norman tattooed.

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_02]: He was the love of my life. Norman.

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Dog's name is Norman.

[01:21:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I did a giant heart tattoo. In 2019, I was an extra in a big budget Hollywood film and spent

[01:21:21] [SPEAKER_02]: four hours in the makeup chair just to transform me into a woman from the late 1800s. When I asked

[01:21:26] [SPEAKER_02]: my stylist why they waste so much time on an extra who will likely never be on screen, she said,

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_02]: but you might be even if it's just for a second, someone will see you. And if you're not authentic

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_02]: to the period, someone watching it will notice and it will take them right out of the movie and

[01:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: into the real world. Damn if she wasn't right. Your nitpicking friend, Dana. I, Dana, I hadn't

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_02]: noticed this. I need to go and look out for this now. The inconsistency.

[01:21:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I hadn't either, but I love that different people notice different things. Like when, um,

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Peter came on for, uh, the, the kingdom, that Korean zombie period and had a whole point about

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_03]: the sartorial choice, the clothing and style. That was great. You know, I love that different

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_03]: view. And, uh, I think if you are the type to notice this kind of thing, you're absolutely

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_03]: right, Dina, they should pay attention to that. Darrell's the main character.

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That would drive you nuts. Not even an extra. Yeah.

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_03]: All right. That is our show episode 599. Thanks for listening to everybody.

[01:22:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Glad we're back on this Darrell train. Yeah, we are.

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Next episode is The Walking Dead, Darrell Dixon season two, episode one,

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_03]: La Gentillesse des Etrangers, which means the gentlest days of Tron and Jay.

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Just kidding. It means the kindness of strangers. It's like that improv game where you have to

[01:22:49] [SPEAKER_02]: like fake translate things only it's us doing the Darrell Dixon show. My God. Um, if you want

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[01:23:05] [SPEAKER_03]: start up. It's the, uh, well, Marvel, Marvel TV cast featuring Agatha all along that just came out.

[01:23:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. Have you? I haven't watched it yet, but I'm really excited.

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I've got a rare weekend of doing nothing, so I'm going to be catching up on my TV.

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. And, uh, this weekend from starts again,

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_03]: you guys have it. Check that out from on MGM plus creepy, scary, trippy show. And, uh, Alex and

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Lizzie do the, what is from cast and they interview all the actors. They just talked with

[01:23:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Harold Perrineau the other day. No way. And Perrineau said he wanted to hang out with Alex

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_03]: and Alex is all giddy about it. Oh my God. Which is really cool. That's really fun.

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_03]: This episode is made possible by Patreon supporters like Sam Lowe,

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_03]: who've pledged their support at patreon.com slash Jason Gabassi. So thank you to Sam.

[01:23:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Sam is freaking awesome. And she's just become an integral part of the group. She's guested on a

[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_03]: lot of podcasts and she's great. So one of the perks of joining is you might get to talk to Sam.

[01:24:09] [SPEAKER_02]: We love Sam. All right. And that is our show. Thanks for listening. Don't get bit Daniel Baker.