602: "Moulin Rouge" (TWD: Daryl Dixon S2E2)

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Episode 602

[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And this episode we are covering The Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon, Season 2, Episode 2, Moulin Rouge.

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Singing the entire thing in French.

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought it was weird that the episode was so long and Daryl wasn't in it but Nicole Kidman was.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So I have a lot of thoughts about some of the stuff that happened and I really feel there weren't enough zombies particularly in musical numbers.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Nothing was that all related to anything we've seen before.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I've actually never, I've only seen and it's not because I didn't want to watch the rest but I've only seen the first 20 or 30 minutes of Moulin Rouge.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I was with a bunch of friends and then we had to go but I loved the first 20 or 30 minutes. I just never got back to it.

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Basically the same as this episode like no watch it first.

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I heard that was the best part but you know with all the dance I mean I guess it's a musical all the way through.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway before we get into this episode I want to mention say a big hello to all the Zed heads gathering in Galveston, Texas right now.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_03]: They're all having a great time and sending pictures of them doing karaoke and swimming in a pool and being at the beach.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: That sounds amazing. I hope they're all having the best time.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah it looks like they are. I asked them to send in a voicemail if they watch this episode this weekend so maybe we'll hear from them in the feedback episode.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh I can't wait that would be great.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's The Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon Season 2 Episode 2 Moulin Rouge what'd you think?

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah as I say the meat, no I'm joking.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I liked it.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Ewan McGregor was awesome.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Ewan McGregor was phenomenal didn't know he could sing. Jim Broadbent who'd have thunk it.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah no I did enjoy this episode. I did. I still feel like things don't quite have the same chemistry for me that they did in Season 1 but I'm hoping that we get there.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just the tonal shift of adding in a completely separate storyline with Carol.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And in this episode you can see that they're starting to come together which is an improvement.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's taken me out of it a little bit in the first two episodes and I'm still in it.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I still enjoy it, still defending it but there were some elements where I was just a bit like alright okay.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah that kiss I'm sure we'll talk about the kiss.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was really good. There are some things that I don't love but they're okay.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just I feel like the Union de l'Espoir the good guys who are used to think they were the good guys are turning into just another kooky walking dead group.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And Emile who is this rebel romantic is now just some you know psychotrader kind of.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm a little disappointed in that it feels like the writer shifted direction because they finished up Season 1 and now they're like okay what are we going to write for these guys in Season 2?

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Well they're kind of boring let's spice it up or something like that you know and it doesn't feel like it's the same characters almost.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Lo Sang and everything. Lo Sang was begging for Darryl to stay and now he's like oh he's a problem.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Lo Sang like has a crush on Darryl I think. Like he's just like Darryl is an amazing man.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like alright Lo Sang get your pants.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But that was those are nitpicks I loved the episode and I understand what you're saying about the difference between this and Season 1.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's just going to be a different show now because you bring Carol into a show it's going to change you know.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah absolutely.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think for us who liked Season 1 a lot and felt like it's like a little French film starring Darryl or it's like an independent thing and it's going to be different now.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm just trying to embrace that and it's not hard for me to do because I really do like it.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I like this new version of the show and there are some things in this episode in particular that I really loved and it was some of my favorite stuff I've seen in a long time on The Walking Dead.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_03]: So I was pretty into it.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Cool. I like it.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So what's your number one?

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: We went to Greenland.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And I wanted to tell everyone some facts about Greenland because I find Greenland really interesting.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So taking from Wikipedia which is a great free open source of knowledge and I'm not getting paid to say that I just liked it.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Greenland is a country that has a lot of indigenous people in it and the Greenlandic in U It are the most populous ethnic group in Greenland.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Most speak Greenlandic and consider themselves ethnically Greenlandic.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: People of Greenland are both citizens of Denmark and citizens of the EU.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Approximately 89% of their population is in U It which is just over 50,000 people.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And that includes the Kallalit who speak Kallalisut, the Tuna Malit of Tuna who are in the east of Greenland who speak Tuna Malit or Asiat and the Inguit of North Greenland who speak Inuktin.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know where we ended up in this episode.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really interested to know if they actually filmed in Greenland or not.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_03]: It was strikingly different than anything we've ever seen before which was one of the great things about it.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I loved it.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, it's so beautiful.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_01]: There's loads you can learn about Greenland and its people and its languages online and on Wikipedia, but they have a really rich history and a really rich culture there.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was really pleased that we got a bit of a nod towards some of that with talking about the...

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Tuplek.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_01]: They took a look and their view of life on the apocalypse.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously it went really bad really quick, but let's not hold that against Greenland.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: That seemed to be specific to those two people.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, when any main character from The Walking Dead meets any new group of people, there's like a 75% chance that we'll all be dead by the end and destroyed.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: 75% chance.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's 75% chance it's Carol's fault.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_01]: The other 25% is Rick.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And Rick wasn't there.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, probably we could figure out how it was kind of his fault too.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's so much you can sort of learn about Greenland and what it is.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just fantastic.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I've flown over it when we've flown to North America.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a route from Europe to fly over Greenland and it's this huge landmass.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And I would love to visit one day.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was just really pleased that we got to see it.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of thought we were just going to blink and Carol would be in France, but I liked that we got to see bit of that journey.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I got a bit stressed because it's very precarious.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Like if something happens to Ash, if something happens to the plane, if something happens to Carol...

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I know she has plot armor, but it did feel like a close run thing with those kind of...

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Those moments where she was getting grabbed by the walkers from under the kind of mulch.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And I did, I laughed because I don't know if it was deliberate or not,

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_01]: but the first walker we got a good look at sort of looked like Santa Claus.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And although Santa Claus is technically from Greenland, I thought that was quite cute.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: He's up that way.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was like, you know, he's up that way.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I loved the kind of...

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It reminded me a lot of, and I meant to look at the title of the episode,

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and I didn't, the episode where Carol and Maggie are being held by two female saviors.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that just came up recently, I think in the last listener feedback, somebody mentioned that.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Alicia Witt was in that one or Alicia did it?

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember what her name is.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Really cool person, by the way.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_03]: She came to a few Walker Stockers after that.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, did she?

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Super nice.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's really nice to know.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And the way that Carol was interacting with these two women and it felt like...

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's the guy that directed Midsomer?

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Ari Aster.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It felt a bit Ari Aster.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_03]: All bright and then weird.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it kind of goes, and you sort of think that the Tildeswint and Esquan,

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Hannah is going to be the evil one, but she's actually not.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: She's actually the one who's having doubts and then this other girl.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Was her name Ian?

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Ian?

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't quite sure how to pronounce it.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I have.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I just wrote why you in because that was the closest, but since we're covering these before

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_03]: anything comes out, it's not even in IMDB so we can't check it.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not written down.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So forgive us our Greenland ignorance that we don't quite know what her name was.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But you mentioned Greenland as the citizens of Denmark and what else?

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_01]: The European Union.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's a strong independence movement there as well.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty bad at geography a lot of the time.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So where is Denmark?

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just over there in Europe somewhere, right?

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Denmark is, let me look at a map too.

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Denmark is in the north.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_03]: It's up by Sweden, right?

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the northwest of Europe.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It's up by Sweden.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It's part of Scandinavia.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's far away.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's just kind of a territory.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Greenland is a territory of Denmark.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It will have been at some point people from Denmark will have gone and I guess

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: laid claim to bits of Greenland.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just sort of looking at where Greenland is on a map.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's logical you would hop over Iceland to get to Greenland and there's also a strong

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_01]: connection with the Nineveh and the Northwestern territories of Canada because they're quite

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: geographically close together.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_03]: We had actually talked about that like I looked up where would you go in a small

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_03]: plane?

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_03]: How would you get to Europe?

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And it said one of the routes is to land in Greenland and then they did.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Because Greenland to France if you fly directly can be like six hours ish.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So it can be done.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's still it beggars a little bit of belief but it could be done

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_01]: technically and I like that we got to see the Greenland excited things.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's bigger than Alaska, which is our biggest state in the United States.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's quite big and Alaska is the biggest state by far bigger than Texas

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_03]: so Greenland is even bigger than that.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_03]: It's over two million square miles but it's sparsely populated even now.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Only 57,000 people.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's about a quarter as many as my hometown of Modesto, California.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's this big place with not many people.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_03]: So it kind of made sense that they were like, oh, we haven't seen anyone in years.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It's incredible.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just amazing and it's very believable I think that they would be

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_01]: many people there because that's the kind of thing you would go to those parts

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_01]: of Greenland for as a researcher would be to check things like ice caps melting

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and things to do with climate change.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It just looks like an amazing place.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of interesting tundra biodiversity and things you can see.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sort of like, you know what Carol, if you ended up stuck in Greenland

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: you probably would have had a really nice time if you liked nature.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So like, that's cool.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Lots of reindeer to eat.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So this episode was brought to you by the tourist board of Greenland.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Visit Greenland.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know much about it.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it was really cool to get a little bit of Greenland and our walking done.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: There's so much horror in there.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the there's so much inherent horror in that scenario as well being stuck

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_01]: with the same person for 12 years.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the thing or something, you know?

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's I love that.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I sort of want a flashback episode of just the two of them seeing what their 12

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_01]: years have been like in the very mid-summer.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Like we just want a man to give us a baby.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, I liked how they're both climate scientists

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and yet their opinions are almost diametrically opposed.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But in a way that makes sense for climate scientists, both of them.

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Like they did it because they're afraid that manmade climate change

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_03]: is going to harm humanity.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_03]: But Hannah's view is maybe we deserve it because we poison the earth

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and cause this and this is the earth's way of taking vengeance on humanity

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_03]: and clearing us out so that it can be healthy.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost stem almost her shill's view at a certain point in season two

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_01]: as well as like this is Mother Nature.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Take things back, you know?

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And I could see a lot of people coming up with reasons like that

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_03]: for why why zombie apocalypse happened.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_03]: But on the other hand, Yon has the opposite view like no,

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I did I'm in this work because I want to save humanity.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's why we need to repopulate the earth.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And so they're living together and yet have this diametrically opposed views

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_03]: or like the odd couple, which I think is really interesting.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you mentioned like being alone for so many years.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if they were just their sort of craziest.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, maybe I shouldn't use that word.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it kind of fits because they're not.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean it's intense.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_03]: The idea that you would.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_03]: As soon as someone comes along, you want to force them to I mean,

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_03]: you're going to he's trying to rate Ash at gunpoint, right?

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_03]: That's not great and it's pretty extreme.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe I should say they're more most extreme tendencies

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_03]: sort of got more and more amplified over the years,

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_03]: just being alone together and just kind of going loopy and

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_03]: like extreme cabin fever or something.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and holding on to this fantasy of raising a child.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was funny because that first the first time you watched that scene with Ash,

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_01]: you're like, oh, she's really connecting with him.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, she hugs him a bit too long.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It's intense, but whatever.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm going to go through that in my first point.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Because this all goes right into my point.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_03]: You and Hannah and how they initially come off.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, love that they stopped in Greenland just because it's such

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_03]: a beautiful change of scene scene and another reason to love this show,

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_03]: the Daryl show after 12 years of the Georgia Woods, which are great too.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's just the same thing all the time.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So then when Ash is checking the plane, Carol sees those zombies in the grass

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and goes to shoot them and there's eerie music.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, unless they start spewing acid or something, she's got it.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_03]: So why the music?

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And then the one sprung up from the grass beneath her and she screamed

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and I jumped like rarely jump on this show.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But I was like, oh my God.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I was really worried.

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to get there.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh, I figured once I calm down because, you know, that initial

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_03]: jump scare, it's not anything conscious in you.

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_03]: It's all just sort of reaction, right?

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Primal reaction.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But then I was like, OK, she'll get out of this.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_03]: This is scary, but she'll get out of it somehow.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But it was still pretty good though.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, Ash finally came over.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, then there was a shot that came killing the last one.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_03]: So we see these two women on this ridge, one waving excitedly,

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_03]: welcome to Greenland.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a sucker for like someone introducing themselves by saving your ass.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Maggie's introduction in the show and I just love it.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I just always like that.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so unrealistic, but I love it.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, and that's important because I really was taken in by this twist.

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes being clueless has its benefits because it made it

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_03]: really interesting to me.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_03]: But maybe I should give myself a little more credit because there

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_03]: are a lot of ways that the show sort of laid the seeds for us

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_03]: to think that these women were OK.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Even though you should be suspicious of anyone new in The Walking Dead,

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I just thought they were kind of delightful.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like you said, they're sort of like Maggie coming in and saving the day.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_03]: That was the first thing they did is save their lives.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that made me think.

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And I liked that Ash said people and Carol was like, yeah, people.

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of just asked about it.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_03]: But they seem so nice and their climate scientists, which I personally love,

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_03]: they're very friendly and welcoming in a way that seemed genuine.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, they're just lovely.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_03]: They seemed a little eager, but that made sense given that,

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_03]: like I said, there's barely any people in Greenland and they said

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_03]: they haven't seen anyone in years.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_03]: So it made sense that they'd be a little bit like, oh, new people.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank God.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_03]: When they were cooking the reindeer, that seemed a little weird,

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_03]: but people got to eat.

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, no, that's fine.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're ticking off the main walking dead things, right?

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Cannibal? No.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Weird? No.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, cannibal.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Like weird cult religion?

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Scientists.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was so sort of distracted and charmed by the uniqueness

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_03]: of the situation, their interesting habitat.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I love their little outposts.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It almost felt like something out of sci-fi,

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_03]: but it was like a scientist's outpost that you might see in Antarctica

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_03]: or something in the landscape.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe even more impactful was the bouncy, cheery music

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_03]: that was playing through all of it,

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_03]: which the show basically lied to us.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_03]: The show took us for a ride.

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Really attractive feel to it.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think I kind of wanted things to be what they seemed also.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Then, so when Hannah says the zombies are mother nature fighting back

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_03]: and never screw with somebody's mother,

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought of Carol there.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she knows not with whom she is screwing.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Although to be fair, Carol did not directly shed blood

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_01]: in that particular interaction in Greenland,

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_01]: which surprised me.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, none of it.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'll get to her reaction and what we think of it.

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, so we're sort of, the foundation is laid for us to think that they're okay.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_03]: The only thing that would lead us to think that they're not okay

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_03]: is they are new people on the Walking Dead,

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and that really should be enough, but it wasn't enough for me.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And then when Yun took Ash to get a plane repair stuff,

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess tape or whatever from the storeroom,

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and then on the way out, Ash tells her about Carol seeking her daughter

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and we don't know if she'd still be alive,

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_03]: but I don't know if it's worth it.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And Yun said, no, I think it's beautiful.

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And then she goes, how about you? Any children?

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, oh, that's going to be really sad for him to answer.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And also that's a little bit of an insensitive question in this world

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_03]: and doesn't show that much social awareness.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_03]: She shook in his piece, Bertha.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but so when it comes to find out

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_03]: she's fixated on her own needs and wants and he's an object,

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_03]: basically she doesn't, she hugged him

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_03]: and that seemed like a beautiful moment in the moment,

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_03]: but in retrospect creepy.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, the point of that point was just to sort of lay out

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_03]: why I was taken in by them.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And then we'll talk about what happened after that.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Should I just go into that or do you want to talk about it?

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, go for it.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Get stuck in.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_03]: This was my favorite moment of the episode.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And I just thought it was so great that they lulled me into the sense

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_03]: of false security and then in one counterintuitively slow,

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_03]: eerie moment revealed things weren't at all what I thought.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And it just, I had like a physical reaction to, oh my God,

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_03]: like, oh my God.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_03]: So Hannah tells Carol that they,

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to go through it B by B,

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_03]: that they make their own aquavite,

[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_03]: which is an ethanol based strong alcoholic drink.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_03]: They have a drink together.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_03]: They're making small talk about the broth and she starts fiddling

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_03]: with the crossbow bolt Hannah and she motions towards the crossbow.

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_03]: You mind and Carol's like, oh, not if you're careful.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_03]: That's fine.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And then it seemed a little ominous here.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the music got darker,

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_03]: but I thought that's just misdirection.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_03]: She's fine.

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And then Hannah loads the bolt and cocks the crossbow

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_03]: and they're still talking about cooking, but Carol looks nervous.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_03]: You sure you want to do that?

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And Hannah rather calmly said, does it make you nervous?

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And then she rested the crossbow on the table pointing to the side of Carol

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: and Carol's like clutching this bullet in her hand.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, what is going on here?

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And Carol's like, that's how accidents happen.

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And then Hannah slowly turns the crossbow.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's pointed right at Carol's chest.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And I just love that because usually when there's a betrayal, it's quick.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_03]: But this was so like almost Carol just got eased into it, you know?

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, oh my God, what the fuck?

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_03]: That was such a great and an awful moment.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, oh, things no actually aren't like this.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_03]: They're like this.

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_01]: If I had one critique, it would be never let someone else play with your crossbow.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But I'll let it slide.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I will let it slide because it was very good.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if the reason why, I don't know, Carol took a drink was so that they could say

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_03]: she was a little bit inebriated or something and wasn't fully aware.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know because yeah, I agree.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that was another thing.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Just the fact that Carol was letting her do that was something that made me feel like,

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_03]: well, she must be OK because Carol has a good sense of people

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_03]: and Carol wouldn't be letting her do that if she wasn't OK.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_03]: So in retrospect, it's probably a bit of a like suspension of disbelief

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_03]: that Carol would let anyone do that, you know, whether she thought they were OK or not.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe she wanted her to show her hand.

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, when showing your hand means you could lose your life,

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, she could have just shot her right then.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And now Hannah is staring directly into her eyes with the crossbow pointed right at her

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's a great symmetry there of them across the table.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And Carol says, you know, my mom and dad never taught me never to point a weapon at anyone.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And then she just said, I'm supposed to kill you,

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_03]: which I love that she got right to the point there.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And then she says, I'm supposed to kill you.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to though.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And Carol goes and then it's unanimous.

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Carol does a really good kind of negotiation like talking someone down.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good example of how to sort of talk someone down in a stay calm.

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was quite impressed with her here.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know if she would have successfully talked her out of it,

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_03]: but she at least stalled enough.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And then they cut over to Ash and Yun and she's asking him,

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_03]: have you ever thought about having more kids?

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and saying she wants to save civilization,

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_03]: wants him to help her.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And just having her propositioning him to have a baby,

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_03]: even if it means at gunpoint is such a unique development for the walking dead.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Never seen anything like that before.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Something new, something creepy, awful.

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I think David's able the showrunner is

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_03]: making a point to do things we haven't seen before on the walking dead with the Darrell show.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Or if it's similar, at least it's in a new way.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But this is just like totally, I don't remember ever seeing anything quite like this.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And then when Ash said, I'm sorry,

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_03]: you're going to need to find somebody else and her facial expression goes dark.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_03]: There's nobody else Ash.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And then he's like, I got to get back to Carol.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And then she goes, forget about Carol.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Hannah's going to kill her, which that was dumb.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Why would you do that?

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_03]: So then they cut back to the outpost where Carol is trying to talk Hannah out of killing her.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you see Yun at the doorway arriving and I'm like,

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_03]: she says Ash is at the plane and fine.

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, well, did they get it on?

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_03]: What happened?

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Why did she leave him there?

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's a little bit of still a blank spot.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Like why was she holding her gun point saying we need to have babies.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And then she just goes back to the outpost.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't get that.

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that seemed a bit odd.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think that was a little bit of sloppy writing actually.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But then Yun is about to kill Carol.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_03]: So Hannah Crossbow bolt to the forehead and Carol tells her to the forehead.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And Carol tells Hannah they'll take her with them.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you believe that at all?

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_03]: There's any chance that would have actually happened?

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_01]: It ties into something I'm thinking about in the context of the larger show,

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: which is like absolving people of what they've had to do or not had to do.

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Carol might have tried.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_01]: There was something in her she looked kind of like towards the end of season six

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_01]: when she's really wobbling and struggling with having killed people.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she was leading Hannah there to kill her.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know that she'd fully thought through what was going to happen next.

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I think you could be right.

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_03]: But at this point, I can't trust anything with her because, you know,

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_03]: just the way she is with Ash,

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_03]: you can see she's genuinely connecting him with him on things.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And then she also is totally lying to him about other really important things

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_03]: and putting him in mortal danger.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So I could see Carol having that look on her face like,

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, she does have compassion for Hannah.

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And also she's totally going to kill him as soon as she gets a chance too.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_03]: You don't know for sure with her.

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_03]: She killed Karen and David.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think she felt conflicted.

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's interesting because that's two people in this episode

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_01]: look to Carol to absolve them of what they've had to do like Hannah's like,

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I had to do it.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I had to kill Yen and Carol's like, yeah, you had to.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Ash is like, I had to do it.

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I had to kill Hannah.

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's interesting that Carol who's done all these despicable things

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_01]: is the one that's doling out the kind of absolution for people.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Whilst maintaining a facade that is bad

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: of going to look for her daughter when that's just not the case at all.

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And when Ash said, you know, so yeah, they're headed back to the plane.

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Ash shoots Hannah with the flare and kills her

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and then he's all distraught and says, she was going to kill you.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I had to do it.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And Carol says, yeah, you had to.

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's just hard to know whether she means that or not

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_03]: or she's just trying to make him feel better.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_03]: If she was intending on killing Hannah,

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_03]: then she probably did mean that when she said it to Ash.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_03]: But if not, if she was hoping to take Hannah with them,

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_03]: then she just was like, well, I got to adjust to the new reality

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_03]: and not let Ash worry about this.

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to support him even though he didn't actually have to kill her.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And so anyway, I thought Hannah especially was great.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_03]: The actress that played her, they were both really good though.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_01]: She really was.

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_01]: She was really, really good.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_01]: We can't look them up very much.

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know who it is.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I know this is the restraint thing about skewners.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, I laughed so much on the feedback episode

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and everyone's like, how do you stop from watching ahead?

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, Jason literally doles them out to me with warnings.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you can't watch this until we've recorded.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't have a choice.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like an addict.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting it like doled out like little bits.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll give you number three after this.

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_01]: If your performance is up to scratch,

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you number three if not.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So before we move on just to kind of wrap up the Greenland stuff,

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_03]: they talked about the Tupilac.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what they named the zombies.

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Hannah says the field is full of Tupilac

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and Yon says our pet name for the necrotics.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Actually kind of like necrotics as a name even better.

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of a science name.

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but Yon says after an old Inuit myth,

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_03]: which you mentioned that there's Inuit people in Greenland,

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Tupilac is a flesh eating beast conjured up to take revenge

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_03]: on its enemy and Hannah says, and if it can't find them,

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_03]: it returns home to kill its maker.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_03]: So as climate scientists, I think they both think

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_03]: that this is the earth taking revenge on people for poisoning it.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And this is a combination of Wikipedia and chat TPD.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_03]: He says a Tupilac is a monster or carving of a monster

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_03]: often made from materials like bone, ivory or wood

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_03]: in the Inuit religion, especially in Greenland.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_03]: A Tupilac was an avenging monster fabricated by an Anga cook,

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_03]: a practitioner of witchcraft or shamanism traditionally believed

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_03]: to possess magical powers to protect its owner or harm enemies.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_03]: These figures are now commonly sold as souvenirs in Greenland.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_03]: So if you look up Tupilac T-U-P-I-L-A-Q or K,

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_03]: you'll see these little figures that look like some hippie stone

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_03]: or designed it. They're actually kind of cool looking.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love that Tupilac.

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I always love hearing, because there are loads of folklore

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and indigenous belief and cultural belief across the globe

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_01]: about the dead and zombies.

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_03]: It's great that they did a little research on Greenland

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_03]: and pulled something from that.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you notice this is kind of relevant in the credits

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_01]: that they've added a plane to the Montsaint-Michel image?

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I forgot.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_03]: We said they hadn't changed it, but they have added a few things.

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And even if there's Carol and Daryl at one point in the silhouette.

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So we do seem like they are actually going to meet up.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I really hope so.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So the rest of Carol's storyline, they land in France.

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think Ash is going to be dead or captured

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_01]: by the time she gets back?

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, gosh.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like they will.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_03]: That wasn't their last meeting.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't think he's going to die without seeing her again.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Peter the psychic is like, I think Jean-Éa's going to grab him

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's going to turn up at like, you know,

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_01]: it'll be a reveal of like, I have your friend or something like that.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So they land at a race course.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_01]: We see Carol.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I love appreciating the wreckage of Paris.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoyed seeing that again.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed seeing it through Carol's eyes.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And although there is an element of suspension of disbelief

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_01]: that she would find the people she found,

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_01]: it's actually not as unbelievable as you'd think

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_01]: because we saw in season one that Jean-Éa's propaganda is all over Paris.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's logical in a way to follow people to where they are.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_01]: She probably didn't realize that like Jean-Éa's number one priority

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_01]: is finding Daryl as well.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, of all the places to end up,

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_01]: this isn't actually the dumbest.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So we see that they are taking people to Maiselmael

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_01]: for, I assume, experimentation.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_01]: They're bribing people with food.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_01]: It was very Les Mis slash Nazi Germany.

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it felt very 1930s the way it looked

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and Carol kind of gets messed up in that.

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I just got really stressed at a certain point

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_01]: thinking about Carol on her own

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_01]: in this country where she doesn't speak the language

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: looking for Daryl and how precarious all that is.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it really stresses me out.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, oh my God, there's so much that could go wrong here.

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, plot armor, so it probably won't.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, there are times when I'm like,

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_03]: okay, there's a lot of people like I saw

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_03]: an old

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Walker Stucker colleague had posted,

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_03]: oh, this show is so stupid.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_03]: They're milking it for everything.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, there's a lot of that kind of sentiment

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_03]: out there about all the spinoffs.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And I can totally get that.

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And even when I think about it like, okay,

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Daryl's in France and Carol followed him there.

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_03]: That seems pretty silly.

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know, when you just kind of go with the fun

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_03]: and the joy of it, then I think it's pretty great.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And to think of Carol who,

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, maybe I'm not giving her enough credit,

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_03]: but I imagine she's the kind of person

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_03]: who didn't get to go on many vacations, right?

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And she's probably never been to France.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And now here she is looking out at the like decayed

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_03]: post-apocalyptic version and you see the luck

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_03]: to three off in the Eiffel Tower.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's still beautiful.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think she was like, I finally got to France.

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't know.

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this sort of thing is when there's

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_01]: so little society left,

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_01]: the world is smaller.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the world is, it does become small.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_01]: It becomes this thing.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And also like if you're like a college kid

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_03]: backpacking across Europe,

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I've never did that, but I have traveled alone

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and you tend to bump in or notice the people

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_03]: that are like you.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, this isn't exactly the same thing,

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_03]: but you just look for the signs of where to go

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_03]: and you end up grouping with people

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_03]: that are on the same path as you kind of

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_03]: was so vague.

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think Carol's doesn't quite know

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_01]: what fresh hell she's got herself in for,

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_01]: but I think she and Jeanne will be formidable together.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just heartbroken that this lovely English professor

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and his like lung disease gay husband

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_01]: are definitely going to have a bad ending.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, oh, come on.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I was like, oh no, the van's going to turn to you.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's like, oh, it's so great.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_03]: They have wine.

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they have wine.

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_03]: It's awesome.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why they're putting us in different trucks,

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's probably going the other way.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And didn't they beat you up before they threw you in here?

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_03]: This doesn't seem so great.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not so sure about this.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Because when I rewatched it,

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I noticed they say about Carol,

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_01]: she seems strong put her in that one.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, oh, that must be the one where the people,

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_01]: they're not going to kill.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It is on these.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Very distracted.

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, when they,

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_03]: so they, so there's signs that say in French,

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Jeanne feeds the people, you know.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And then you have that woman that brackets to the zombies.

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_03]: To the zombies.

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_03]: They somebody rub that part out.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_03]: It should write that in.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Somebody should definitely go around writing that in.

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Just so you know, this sentence is incomplete.

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_00]: It's to the zombies.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But so then, you know,

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_03]: they lured people to this place where she actually is feeding people.

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_03]: One thing about that that's interesting is,

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Janay is this ideologue who wanted to have the people rise up

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_03]: and above the elite.

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's such a common historical story where a movement starts out

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_03]: as an ideological movement,

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_03]: but then whoever is the leader becomes this dictator

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and then it becomes more about them.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So last season there were signs saying,

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Pouvoir de vivant power of the living.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Now we see signs with Janay.

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Janay is the focal point, you know.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And then this officer saying,

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_03]: you can have food if you support Janay.

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_03]: You have to support Janay.

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And then asked for volunteers and they all are so eager to volunteer,

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_03]: but she can only take 20 of them.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I just thought it was funny that Carol like punched one of the guards

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_03]: and then she gets to go.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, oh, I guess if you really want to go just punch one of the guards.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's nice.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I wish I knew a bit more when I was watching this.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I wish I knew you slash remembered more about French revolutionary history

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_01]: because I feel like I would be getting parallels

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and a deeper understanding of like this idea of resistance

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and knowing a bit more about things like, you know, what went down.

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_03]: There's such a history of that rebellion.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I went to an amazing museum the last time we were in Paris.

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember what it was called.

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_01]: This is like, is this the loop?

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, one of these was there.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was called the loop.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it was where they kept people

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: before they were executed as part of the French Revolution,

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_01]: but it was all about the revolution and what happened

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and things like that.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It was fascinating.

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to say it was the arsenal,

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_01]: but I don't think that's the right name for it.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, we spent a day there

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's just this huge part of their history

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_01]: that like we didn't really have a similar thing in Britain

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_01]: because we were too busy going out like colonizing everyone

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and falling out with the Americans.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But it really interests me this very French sort of revolutionary

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and resistance attitude that I think they're really mirroring

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_01]: with what's happening in the apocalypse

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and it makes sense that that would be what happens.

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And I just realized something that there's three storylines, right?

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_03]: There's Carol, there's Jeanne, the whole Jeanne thing

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_03]: and then there's Daryl with that we're going to talk about

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_03]: with the Union de l'Espoir

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_03]: and then there's the Greenland part

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and in all three of those things are not what they seem

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_03]: and there's a betrayal.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_03]: With the Greenland part these two women turns out

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_03]: they want to kill her and have children with him by force.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_03]: With Laurent and you know that well we'll talk about that

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's a whole fake out of him being kidnapped

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_03]: just so they can get Daryl away and kill him

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and then here with kidnapping these people

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_03]: making them think that they're going to have food

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_03]: but actually they're going to be subject to these experiments

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_03]: or whatever so that same theme in all three parts.

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It's fascinating.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So the last we see of Carol is she's pooling up to Maison Mère.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm intrigued to see what happens next.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully it involves meeting one another.

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I worry how she's going to do being like very obviously American

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_01]: because it will be like do no d'Ardixon

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and she's like d'Ardixon and yeah you know.

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I did laugh when she said Orvoir

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_01]: because she sounded just like Rachel and friends

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_01]: when she's about to go to France

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and is like oh they're going to hate me there Orvoir.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like yeah maybe she'd have picked up a phrase book

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_01]: just saying.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully maybe a reunion next episode

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_01]: or the episode after we'll see.

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I kind of doubt like it'll be next time

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_03]: because I was thinking oh they got to meet soon

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_03]: but Daryl's on this mission to save Laurent

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and there's a whole thing going down at the

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah and Carol's a captive of Genet

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_03]: so it doesn't seem like they're going to be seeing each other

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe until either the end of next episode

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_03]: at the soonest or hopefully one after that.

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I think so and it's always so nice

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_01]: to see Melissa McBride on screen

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_01]: but I just yeah I'm feeling an itch

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_01]: about getting them together

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_01]: but at the same time I sort of don't want it

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_01]: because I like Daryl's story on his own.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And Carol's too.

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of fun to watch everything

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_03]: that Carol's been up to by herself so far too.

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah that was my kind of point there

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_01]: was the Maison Mer

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and again I'm just so sad about that guy and his husband.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh justice for the elder French gaze

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_01]: but I don't think it's coming sorry lads.

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Just to kind of add on to that

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_03]: to get through all this stuff with Genet

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_03]: so they take all these

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_03]: quote volunteers to this very

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_03]: cool grimy looking almost dungeon place

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_03]: screams from cells and everything

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_03]: and then this officer who brought them

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_03]: goes to Genet says she got 19 volunteers total

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_03]: which why didn't they get 20?

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_03]: She wanted 20.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_03]: None of them died right?

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Unless the man's husband died.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_03]: The man's husband died okay.

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he did I don't know I hope not.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah they're all gonna die.

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I mean let's be real huh.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And then this officer says

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Marion he doesn't know

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_03]: and Marion is Genet's first name

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_03]: and Genet says never give in

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and I didn't get that at first but

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_03]: what she's saying is you're torturing this guy

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_03]: but he doesn't know anything.

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah he's not good you're not gonna get it from him.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I never give up.

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's Codrone right?

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah oh my god I was like no my friends

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_03]: cause I couldn't quite see the neck tattoo

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_03]: but I think it was just the light.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Well they fake us out a couple of times

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_01]: because someone mentions earlier

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_01]: guys came and took Laurent someone with a face tattoo

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and you're like oh it's Codrone

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's not.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And it sort of made me wonder

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_03]: cause they were trying to fool Daryl

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_03]: and us right into thinking that was Codrone

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_03]: but it made me wonder do they know that much about Codrone?

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_03]: How do they know he has a face tattoo whatever.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know but I thought it was interesting

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_01]: that the right hand women that we meet

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_01]: has face tattoos as well.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So I was like oh maybe they were talking about her.

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway so yeah they're torturing him

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's another torture story time with metaphors.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna be honest with you

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I did not watch it the second time around

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't I was like this is too, this is awful.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't check but I wonder is this

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_03]: okay is this the same writer who wrote

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_03]: when Daryl told a metaphor while torturing somebody

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_03]: and in this time Jeannette tells about her mother

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_03]: who was a waitress in a cafe

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_03]: some bankers came in order an expensive bottle

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_03]: she accidentally broke the cork

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_03]: her boss gave her a choice pay back to 1200 francs for the wine

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_03]: or be fired and then she goes she taught me the secret

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean this is a long story to get to the point

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean if I was controlling I'd be like

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm getting kind of bored with this.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I wish we were sponsored by better help

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_01]: because I feel this would be a great segue into like

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_01]: so therapy can really help you work through stuff

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_01]: with your parents rather than just like

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_01]: torturing a random fucking dude

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_01]: because your mom was working class or something.

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But even like you know the point is

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_03]: that her mom I guess she doesn't directly say this

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_03]: but she says my mom taught me the secret

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_03]: to a stuck cork is patience

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_03]: don't pull too hard or too gently

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_03]: you have to tease it out and you know she knows the information

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_03]: they twist a cork screw into his leg as

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_03]: or his hand I think as they're saying

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's like did you have to tell that whole story couldn't you just say

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_03]: you know this is kind of like taking a cork out of a bottle of wine

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_03]: what does your mom have to do with it but anyway

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know I mean sometimes men really don't like talking about their emotions

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_01]: so maybe control is like no I don't want to hear more about your fucking brother

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_01]: give me the cork screw come on

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_01]: death I choose death

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_03]: but he says the nun I mean she

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Janice is the nun the boy the American you tell me where they are

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and he's like yeah so I guess he has decided not to tell her

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_01]: about them which seems that way and no one's looked at the watch

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and thought what's this very distinctive landmark on the watch

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean he's carrying it

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was dumb that he because the watch came from

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_03]: what Isabel right or somebody made it flu

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_01]: No the guy on the boat, Aslan

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay Aslan

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's like just because he has a picture

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean they sell watches with pictures of beautiful

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_03]: French landmarks doesn't mean oh that's where your base is

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_01]: True but you might in this context take it somewhere you might check

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah that's true I guess

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway I'm surprised because Kojohn was so vile for one thing

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_03]: and so wanted to kill Darrell but then decided to let him leave

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_03]: but said next time I see you I'm gonna kill you

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and now he's being tortured and is keeping it to himself

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess he just doesn't like Janay I don't know

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean Peter was like I'd really have told her

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like yeah I just told her at the minute of the court

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean like yeah so by the way he's here

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_01]: because it doesn't owe him anything else you want to know

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Anything else like his name, his brother's name

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_01]: anything else and they're like oh you're fine

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_03]: It's a little silly but I guess it's something about

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Kojohn's character that we're gonna learn why he did that

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I hope he's okay I feel bad for him

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like oh anyway

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't he killed that old man in the first episode

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess I do I mean I don't like to see anyone be tortured

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I feel like he's atoned for that now

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean if yeah I mean

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I think being tortured is worse punishment

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_03]: being tortured like that

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe it's just something about me but

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_03]: it seems like worse punishment than just a quick death

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh I cannot abide

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_01]: like if there's

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember I think the first one that really bothered me was

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a scene in Pan's Labyrinth

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_01]: where a guy with a stutter gets tortured

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and I was like I cannot watch this I will

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I will

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's I'm not like oh my god the thing about me is

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I really don't like watching torture because he's like

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I fucking love a torture scene

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Well no I mean saw those saw movies are super popular

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh I wouldn't know I just couldn't

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I watched the first one and that's it

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like that I don't

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just not for me I'm just like it's not the kind of

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: thing that I can do I just cruelty

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and that kind of stuff with people I just

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't do it

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_01]: so that's my my deal if you want to really not be

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_01]: my friend make me watch a torture movie

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and yeah that would be really bad

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_03]: like sit you in a chair tie you up and force

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_03]: you to watch torture scenes

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh God that would be my oh it just you know

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_01]: it's just not good just not a good place to be

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I'm right there with you I know

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_03]: but no judgment if you like watching people

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_03]: being blood blood into death all power to you

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna go there and say like a bit judgment for me

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm honest we're very accepting

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_03]: people's eyeballs be popped

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh whoo whoo

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna be honest I do judge that

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I am like again better help get some therapy

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_01]: um yeah not good

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_03]: all the saw fans are like unsubscribe

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah we've lost all of our audience

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_01]: we really like we really liked it

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_03]: down the ones we're down by half that's so weird

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_01]: we're like oh sorry

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_03]: anyway okay my turn

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_01]: uh yes because I talked about Carol getting to

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_03]: a mesle now okay doubt and face

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_01]: yes oh that's what I'm like we're gonna lose

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_03]: the other half of our audience here

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_01]: that's what I'm like but I said faith in doubt

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_01]: oh can I just say everyone should have faith

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_01]: in me because I'm psychic Jason

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_01]: testified to this I texted you wouldn't it be funny

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_01]: if well not wouldn't it be funny but I said

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_01]: what if hang on I'll read what I said I

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_01]: said what if they are planning to get

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Laurent bitten to prove that he won't turn

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_01]: to improve everyone's faith and then you

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_01]: didn't say anything and then you're like

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_01]: you are psychic and I was like yes I am

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and you what the fuck I am psychic

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_03]: you're like wouldn't that be a laugh

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I was like lol

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_01]: okay new theory they're not going to kill

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Laurent but they are going to get him bit

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_01]: to prove he's the Messiah and Darrell is

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_01]: going to be like what and we'll see if

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_01]: you know yeah it turns out I was right

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_03]: right on yeah yeah yeah yep right on and

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought that would be so dumb no I'm

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_03]: just kidding yeah um so no that was great

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_03]: you were right on I was impressed I was

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah so doubt and faith there are themes

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_03]: of doubt and faith of wanting certainty

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_03]: versus feeling like skepticism is healthy

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and so Laurent he's feeling doubtful

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_03]: not sure he wants to be the Messiah so

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_03]: now he kind of has an idea okay they all

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_03]: say I'm special I'm bound for some destiny

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Lo-Sang says to him I know you're not

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_03]: sure about all of it that's okay

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_03]: doubt is the question that faith answers

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_03]: you doubt because you're special not because

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_03]: you aren't that doubt is the question

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_03]: that faith answered got me angry

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_03]: because saying that to a kid who's

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_03]: doubting something especially when you know

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_03]: that you're about to have him get bitten

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_03]: by a zombie really not great that's a

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_03]: way to convince someone to go against

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_03]: their instincts and to not question

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_03]: things or believe evidence to the

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_03]: contrary similar to methods that cult

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_03]: leaders use like in nexium when anyone

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_03]: would express any that that's the cult

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_03]: from the HBO show the vow that came

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_03]: out like five years ago when anyone

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_03]: would express any kind of doubt about

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_03]: the doctrines of the group or the

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_03]: leader it'd be turned around on them

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_03]: and suggested that the resistance was

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_03]: a reflection of their own issues or

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_03]: limitations rather than any fault in the

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_03]: group's teaching it's it's called a

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_03]: thought stopping cliche it's a common

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_03]: tactic used to discourage critical

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_03]: thinking or dissent within a group so

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Lo-Sang saying ignore your doubt he's

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_03]: basically saying ignore your doubt and

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_03]: just have faith right and I don't I

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_03]: don't like that then Jacinta his

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_03]: right hand woman pushing for this

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_03]: ceremony which we now know is going

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_03]: to have a Zed bite Laurent to show he's

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_03]: immune and prove he's their savior and

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_03]: she justifies being in a hurry to Lo

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Sang says even among our faithful there

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_03]: are doubters so she wants to

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_03]: consolidate and strengthen support by

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_03]: showing proof Laurent is special she

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_03]: wants to eliminate doubt in the group

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_03]: with proof she says the answer to

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_03]: doubt isn't faith it's proof I actually

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_03]: agree with that I like that I was

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_01]: like that's actually cool yeah I like

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_03]: that agree but it's probably not great

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_03]: if you have to kill someone to test your

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_03]: hypothesis it's kind of remind me of the

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Salem which trials where if a woman

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_03]: drowns at proof she wasn't a witch oh I

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_01]: think that's great person I'm doing

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_01]: don't think that's great and and she

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_03]: sees Laurent is attached to Darrell this

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_03]: woman hasn't and and that Darrell's

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_03]: eager to leave and she's afraid

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Laurent might want to go with him so

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_03]: that's why she wants to kill Darrell

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_03]: and Lo Sang argues Darrell's going to

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_03]: come around but I'm like I don't think

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_03]: so that's pretty optimistic you know

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_03]: that old guy Pope thought he would

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_01]: too but Lo Sang has a soft spot

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_01]: for Darrell and I think that is going to be

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_01]: very important yeah

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah I mean

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_03]: if Darrell comes back and goes you tried

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_03]: to kill me and he'll be like

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_03]: we just wanted to I just

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_03]: wanted to distract you it was my helper here

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_03]: that wanted to kill you I mean

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess that will mean something

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_03]: but Lo Sang also

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_03]: definitely wants to

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_03]: have Laurent bitten by a zombie

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_01]: oh yeah absolutely

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_01]: although I do think Lo Sang is

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_01]: also suffering from doubt I think

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_01]: oh yeah I think yeah I don't

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_01]: think he's a straightforward bad guy

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah I agree

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_03]: but he's he's over in that direction

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_03]: even though he's got good intentions

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_03]: but um

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't realize and maybe this already

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_03]: was in the show and I just missed it

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_03]: but at one point Hasinta says

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_03]: you know your prophecy

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_03]: inspired the people or something like

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_03]: that so that's when we learned

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_03]: that this whole prophecy that

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_03]: some kid would be their savior

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_03]: who knows if he actually said

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_03]: whatever came right from him

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_03]: you know I didn't know if I knew

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_03]: that before so

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_03]: elsewhere Darrell and Isabel

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_03]: are chatting and he says

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_03]: you know some of the things are teaching him up there he's not buying it

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_03]: and she's like well a kid should

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_03]: question things he's skeptical

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_03]: doubt is healthy which I love

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_03]: to hear you know

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and I think I think

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_03]: you need balance

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_03]: just doubting everything is

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_03]: no good but I believe in questioning

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_03]: things trying to understand for yourself

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_03]: or just taking people's word for

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_03]: things without any examination

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I try to do that

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_03]: with most things at least things are important

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_03]: even things said by people

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_03]: that I'm aligned with and loyal to sometimes

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_03]: like you know politically

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I try to examine things that

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_03]: people from my same side of the party

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_03]: say and

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_01]: it's important to do that

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_03]: friends sometimes which can annoy people but

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I just want to

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_03]: like really have a good understanding

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_03]: and also I think it's

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_03]: good to be open to

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_03]: being wrong

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_03]: or have your idea of things

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_03]: changed with new information

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_01]: have a growth mindset

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_03]: so then Darrell says

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_03]: what about you do you ever doubt it

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_03]: and she says like I said it's healthy

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_03]: and he said that's what I thought you're not like them

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and she said who am I

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_03]: and he goes you're like us

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_03]: and I think that was so important to Darrell

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I think like the story of Isabel

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and Darrell and we'll get to more later

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_03]: with that kiss and everything but it's just

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_03]: a deepening connection

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and a sort of gradual intimacy

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_03]: and this was a big one

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_03]: for him you could tell he looked at her differently

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_03]: after that like oh I

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_03]: think we're actually more similar

[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_03]: than I thought more connected

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_01]: it's incredibly hard I think to

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm not saying

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_01]: you can't be

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_01]: in a relationship with somebody who doesn't share your faith

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_01]: because I don't think that's true

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_01]: like a lot of people I know are

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_01]: but I think when you're dealing with someone

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_01]: who has devoted their life

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_01]: to their faith in the way that Isabel has

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_01]: that can be a deal breaker

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_01]: if you're not you know if you don't share those beliefs

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_01]: there is a question of like

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_01]: how far can this intimacy go if

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_01]: ultimately we have very fundamentally different views

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_01]: on how the world works

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and I know a lot of very fantastic couples

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_01]: where they do have different views

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_01]: but I think for Darrell that probably was a big

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_01]: thing or for both of them

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_01]: that was probably a big blockade there

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_01]: like well I've devoted my life to this

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_01]: that's not something you believe in

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_01]: where does that leave us?

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That's quite a normal position to find yourself in I think

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_03]: because even though I think she

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_03]: still even though she said

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I have doubt and skepticism

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_03]: that she still believes in God

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_03]: and I think he probably doesn't

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_03]: from what he said at least at this point

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I don't think so

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_03]: but just that little exchange

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_03]: made him feel like

[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_03]: okay even though we believe some different things

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_03]: she can accept me

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_03]: for being doubtful

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_03]: and I can accept her

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_03]: for not just

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_03]: blindlessly following it

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_03]: and being rigid about it

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_01]: 100%

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_03]: just made that yeah brought them a little closer together

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_03]: then just after that

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_03]: he invited her and Laurent to come

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_03]: to the US with him

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_03]: the very thing that Jacinta was afraid

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_03]: he was going to do

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Jacinta she wasn't wrong

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Isabel says

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_03]: people make choices for a reason

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_03]: that makes sense to them there's always doubt

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_03]: sometimes you let faith make up the difference

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of agree with that

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_03]: although because you can't ever

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I think fully understand everything

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_03]: you know we don't really understand

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_03]: the nature of reality honestly

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_03]: and you might be wrong about what you think

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_03]: you understand but you go forward with the best information

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_03]: you have or else you just be paralyzed

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_03]: but for me I wouldn't say I let

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_03]: faith make up the difference I'd say I let hope

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_03]: or chance make up the difference

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_03]: whenever I have to make a big decision like what college

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_03]: to go to you know I get all the information

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I can and then I head it off to college

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_03]: but you can't be sure

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_03]: that's the right choice I've changed my career

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_03]: a few times because things change

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_03]: or you realize oh wait I'm actually more interested

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_01]: in this are you a gut instinct

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_01]: person no

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean I gather

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_03]: a lot of information I think I'm balanced

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_03]: like I'm a gut instinct

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_01]: person I'm like oh if it doesn't feel

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_01]: right or like all that feels right like

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I I'm very yeah I shouldn't be

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_01]: because I'm quite logical but ultimately I'm like

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_01]: oh no no

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah that feels that makes me happier this

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_01]: doesn't yeah I don't know but don't

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_03]: you combine that with

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_03]: knowledge too

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_01]: like I do but

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_01]: at the end of the day

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I would take my gut over knowledge

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah yeah because I think sometimes

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_01]: the smart decision isn't the right one

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and I've had that particularly

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_01]: with jobs where I've been like

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I could go into something

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_01]: better paid or

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_01]: something in a more prestigious place

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah but ultimately I will

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_01]: go with the place that treats me

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_01]: in a way that makes me feel

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_01]: the most secure and happy and supported

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_01]: which isn't always the most

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_01]: financially fulfilled one

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah so I'm like very

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_01]: like follow your gut yeah

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah but I but I still

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_03]: want the information because

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_03]: having more information can change

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_03]: what my instincts tell me to do

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_03]: if that makes any sense you know absolutely

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah so

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_03]: after Hasinta reveals to Lo saying

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_03]: that she ordered Darrell killed

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_03]: he he's pissed

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_03]: off and he says is this what we

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_03]: want to be and she says what we all

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_03]: want is to be certain

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_03]: and I just think that can

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_03]: be a huge problem and the most

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_03]: important thing is to be certain because as

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I've said I think total certainty is rare

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_03]: usually we don't understand everything

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_03]: that we think we do and there's an often

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_03]: it's an illusion and so if you

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_03]: cling to something that's an illusion

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_03]: you might be clinging to something

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_03]: false and making life or death

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_03]: decisions because of that like

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_03]: deciding to have this kid be bitten by a

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_03]: zombie and I think it's better instead

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_03]: of wanting certainty to be

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_03]: comfortable with uncertainty

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_01]: you know I like permission

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_01]: to be personal because I don't know if it's

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_01]: like something that people out there

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_01]: need or want to hear or see themselves in

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_01]: like this was a huge part of me deciding

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_01]: not to have kids was like can I sit

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_01]: with the uncertainty of

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_01]: possibly regretting

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_01]: it or possibly being like well would

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_01]: my life have been like my life would have been different

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_01]: but learning that there is

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_01]: no certainty there's no like you will always

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_01]: be 100% happy with the decision

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_01]: you've made and I think that goes for parents too

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_01]: like I don't get me wrong everyone loves

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_01]: hopefully everyone loves their children

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_01]: but I think it's okay to say I'm not

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_01]: 100% sure that that was

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_01]: the right thing for me and I struggled a lot

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_01]: because I saw a lot of people

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_01]: who had picked to have children being like

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_01]: why would you not want to do it it's the best

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_01]: thing ever they're my whole life you don't understand

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_01]: love until you've looked at a child and I'm like yeah that's cool

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_01]: but also like

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_01]: that amount of certainty terrified me because

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like I don't feel that certain about anything

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_01]: but I started listening

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_01]: to my gut and being like well what do I actually want

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and then learning to

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_01]: accept that uncertainty and to accept

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_01]: the possibility that there may be

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_01]: points in my life where I'm like

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_01]: that wasn't the right thing or was

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_01]: that the right thing has actually been really liberating

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_01]: so I'm with you on this I think

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_01]: like there is this thing of like you will never

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_01]: be 100% certain about this thing

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think when we broadcast ourselves

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like there was never any doubt

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_01]: from you that this person was the one for me

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_01]: or like I always knew 100%

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_01]: that and I'm just like good for you

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_01]: but like a lot of people that is not the case

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's okay to not be the case

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah and I just

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_03]: think you know everyone's

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_03]: different and we all

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_03]: have different levels of certainty

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_03]: with different things some people

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_03]: are just more the type

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_03]: to be more certain about things but

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_03]: what can be

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_03]: particularly tough

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_03]: is when there's a big important thing that you're not

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_03]: certain about right like having whether

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_03]: you're having kids or not or for me

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_03]: what career I wanted to go into

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_03]: until I found podcasting some people are

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_03]: more certain about those kinds of things they just know

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_03]: like I was pretty sure I wanted kids

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_03]: as long as I had a stable

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_03]: foundation for it you know

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_03]: financially and with a good marriage and everything

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_03]: but I

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_03]: didn't know what career and so

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_03]: when you're not sure of

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_03]: a big important thing then it's

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_03]: so stressful

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_03]: so you have to do what you just said

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_03]: is just sit down and be quiet

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and listen to what your heart

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_03]: says and if you

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_03]: to me with you and I could be wrong here

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_03]: but it feels like you're more on the side

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_03]: of not wanting kids but you're close

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of close to the middle

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_03]: sometimes you know so that

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_03]: makes it hard like what if I was wrong you know

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think for a long time I felt like

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_01]: oh

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_01]: you have to be all the way certain one way

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_01]: or the other and I'm not and that makes me

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_01]: that means I have to do it

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_01]: because I'm not 100% certain

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and that thought just made me

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_01]: sick and anxious and I was like but I don't want that

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_01]: because I think with kids you have to be

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_01]: not certain because nobody

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_01]: is I don't want to contradict myself and say if you have a kid

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_01]: you have to be 100% certain

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_03]: but that's good to be more on

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_03]: the other side of the fence

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I think for children like

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_01]: there is an element of like you cannot undo that

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_01]: like once you had a kid

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_01]: that is your life changed forever

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm like that's amazing

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and maybe one day I will change my mind

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and be like but the other thing for women is

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_01]: we have this time frame in which to make

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_01]: this decision which sucks

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and yeah

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I think for me that was definitely

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I felt a lot of resentment that like

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I was having to

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_01]: make you know feel

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_01]: ostracized for not having

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_01]: that certain to your faith that that was going to be

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_01]: a thing that I wanted to do and

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean forever it's worth I have

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_03]: zero I think

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_03]: it's great that you thought about this so much

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_03]: and that you've tried to listen to

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_03]: your instincts and

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_03]: sounds like you've come down on the side of

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_03]: deciding not to have kids and I think that's great

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I think if you decide not to have kids

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_03]: then you shouldn't have kids and that's awesome right

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah well nobody ever asks the people

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_01]: who have kids to justify their decision

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: where people ask me a lot

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm like no no like let's

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_01]: turn that around do men ask you that or more

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_03]: women more women

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_01]: women of a

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_01]: certain generation

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_01]: it's very much seen as

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_01]: like yeah my mom

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_01]: was being pretty cool about it to an extent

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_01]: but I think she's very like you shouldn't

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_01]: feel that you can and I'm like

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_01]: you know but could almost make this a tangent

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_03]: time but I think people yeah interested to

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_03]: hear about it and I felt for it I think

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: until recently a lot of women who don't

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_01]: have kids have not spoken up about it because we've

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_01]: been very like okay I'm like Karen

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_01]: with big inspiration for me talking

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_01]: to Karen about having kids or not having kids

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and I just want people to know there is

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_01]: a community out there of people who

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_01]: have made that decision and it can be

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_01]: isolating and it can feel weird but

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_01]: there is to bring it back to the episode

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_01]: an amount of faith and doubt

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: there in what you do or don't decide

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: to do and I would rather live with the

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_01]: regret of like not having had a kid

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_01]: than have one and not be able to give

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: everything I had because I regret

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: doing it so I know people are like

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_01]: you only regret the things you don't do

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm like yeah

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I have regretted stuff I've done as well

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_03]: yes you can regret the things you've

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_03]: done think about

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Johnny Depp and Amber Heard

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_03]: they're both regretting oh my god

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_01]: oh my god can you imagine like

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_01]: there's two people who thankfully did not have a child

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_01]: which is the thing I think she's adopted now

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_01]: like good for her like I think she and her

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_01]: daughter are like living

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_01]: somewhere on their own but yeah

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_01]: it's one of those things

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_01]: that when people talk about faith and doubt

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_01]: that's the one that resonates with me as somebody

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_01]: who's had to do a lot of soul searching about

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_01]: like what are you certain of

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: and what are your values

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: what are your value led direction

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_03]: but this is in this

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_03]: case just the idea of

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I understand

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_03]: that you want to unite your people

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and especially if you're a religious group

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_03]: you want that spiritual

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_03]: certainty and

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_03]: in this really dangerous

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_03]: world but

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_03]: man if they're

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_03]: if they need to see a little kid

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_03]: get bit by a zombie and

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_03]: survive in order to stay with the group

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that just seems

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_03]: like a bit much to me

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah exactly it's just

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_01]: not fair like do you really want to take that chance

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_03]: like yeah but they're so certain

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_03]: so yeah

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: they're so certain I mean I'm not sure what's

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_03]: going to happen maybe he will but even the thing is

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_03]: even if he does

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_03]: he is immune because

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_03]: of the circumstances of his birth where a

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_03]: zombie gave birth to him which is very similar

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_03]: to another show by the way but um

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_01]: another show then they

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_03]: then they seem to think because

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Emile was talking about it he'll be

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_03]: he'll he said something about

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_03]: you know Laurent will save

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_03]: us from the Zeds we won't have to worry about them

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_03]: anymore and I'm like well just

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_03]: because this one kid is immune

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and you know how he was born so it probably

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_03]: has some scientific explanation

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_03]: as much as you can talk about any science in the

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_03]: zombie show um then

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_03]: how is he going to spread that around to everybody else

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_03]: and also even if he could like you're all

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_03]: immune so if you get bitten you won't turn

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_03]: the zombies will still eat you so I don't

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_03]: know it's all just really flimsy to me

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_01]: it's weird it's very performative

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm just like yeah but they just I

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_03]: mean on the other hand if you have

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_03]: a character like this a person

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_03]: who gets bitten and

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_03]: you know he's been held up to be a Messiah

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_03]: then he gets bitten and he actually doesn't

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_03]: turn then oh he really

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_03]: is the Messiah then you that's a powerful

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_03]: thing that everybody could rally

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_03]: around and then you can have a lot more unity

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_03]: that way so that's the idea

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_03]: for them it's

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I mean I for

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: one would be delighted if Laurent lived forever

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_01]: actually

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: he didn't he hasn't bothered me as much this season

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: he's actually quite cute

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: he's grown up like

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: he's like hello I'm like oh

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I love him I think he's great

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_01]: he's a great actor I'd love to get him on to

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: talk to him oh I know we should

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_03]: find out yeah

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_03]: alright what else

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_03]: or did you have anything more about that you said you had a point about it

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: no I think I think we've kind of covered it

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I think

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah maybe I'll talk about Darryl and his role

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_01]: in Laurent's life

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I did

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a little bit

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_01]: of this episode where like permission

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_01]: to be a little bit of a bitch

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a little bit of me that is like

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_01]: we are pushing the boundaries of who Darryl Dixon

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_01]: is here in the sense of like

[01:04:44] [SPEAKER_01]: he turns up he immediately gives Laurent

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_01]: a hug and he's like okay slugger I'm

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_01]: gonna teach you how to play baseball and I'm like

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_01]: well I hope you did that with Judith

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: before you left her

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: part of me was like they're really playing

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: into like Darryl Dixon

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_01]: essentially kept in America but with

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: like not as good hair or something

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and that scene where he came running

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_01]: through with a vest on I was like these writers know what they're doing

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_01]: they know what they're doing

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: they know that they're just making everyone salivate

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: over Darryl Dixon

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: it was the scene where Darryl arrived back

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: at the nest

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: gave Laurent a hug and Darryl

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Laurent gave him a wooden dog

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah he must have told him about dog

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah he must have told him about dog

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: but Darryl was so

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_01]: uninhibited

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_01]: they're hugging Laurent and chatting way with him

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and I was like we just didn't see

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: that that much in the main show like we didn't

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: see that side to him and

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: that's not to say it wasn't there and I think

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_01]: if I went back and watch it

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_03]: he was fatherly

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_03]: but I think with Judith remember that scene where

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_03]: she ran away

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_03]: and he had to track her down and told her the story

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_01]: he was fatherly

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_03]: but not in an affectionate way like that

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna explain my own

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of thing here is I think

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_01]: in the main show he was always

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: worried about other things like

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: when we see him in the Commonwealth he's worried about

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: keeping his job down so there's always that tension there

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_01]: whereas here he's relatively

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: unburdened so maybe that's what's lightened

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: it maybe that's why he's more able to be

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah he seems more freer

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_03]: with the ways with Laurent and the kiss later too

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_01]: that's when you go on vacation

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_01]: to France you come back to

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a city of romance

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_01]: he's gonna come back to the Commonwealth and be like smoking

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_01]: rollups like oh you wouldn't understand it's like French thing

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_03]: with the bray

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_03]: oh sorry so cliche

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_01]: he's like is there no fresh brie or red wine

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're like no we live in Georgia

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_03]: the bread here was awful

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: it's so pedestrian here

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_01]: he's

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_01]: the baseball thing made me laugh

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: primarily because

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I tried to learn baseball

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_01]: well soft, slow pitch

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and yeah Europeans were shit at it

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: like when no one teaches us to throw

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: no one teaches us to catch

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: it's not something you can really learn very easily unless

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: you've been taught since you were tiny

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll never forget our Canadian friends

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_01]: looking at us with the like

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_01]: horrifying realisation that neither of us knew

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: how to actually throw a ball

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: but did they not teach you this at school

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm like nooo

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: why would they teach us this none of our sports involved this

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: apart from maybe cricket

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_01]: but I like the baseball scene

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I like the kind of naturalness of

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Isabelle being like what's a catcher

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah sure I'll be a catcher

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_03]: even when he said

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_03]: just move over a little bit

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_03]: and then she moved into the traditional catcher's position

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_03]: over where the home plate would be

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I just like that little moment for some reason

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: it was cute it felt like a family

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_01]: it felt like a little cool family

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: working together

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and that's just like I was mentioning how

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Daryl and Isabelle have just

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_03]: gotten

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_03]: progressively closer

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and realising that

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_03]: they like each other and

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I think their affection for Laurent

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_03]: is one thing that bonds them to

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_03]: and Daryl acting like a father figure

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_03]: like this which I thought was really sweet the whole thing

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_03]: it is a bit much right but I thought it was sweet

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean yeah

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_01]: but like if you're gonna go for it go for it

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and one of the things

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: that I thought was interesting

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_01]: in terms of

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_01]: faith and doubt

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: is that Laurent is called away to go

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and read Socrates

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_01]: it's been a long time

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: since I studied any philosophy

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I did like a year philosophy in high school

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_01]: but as I recall

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Socrates

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of it is about

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: productive Socratic dialogue

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: where you query things

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_01]: in conversation with people

[01:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's about knowing that you know nothing

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and there is a lot of stuff in there

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_01]: about examining and doubt

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and faith

[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and Socrates is

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of the heart of a lot of western philosophy

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: in that way

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Socratic method

[01:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and there is a great joke

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_01]: in the good place about Socrates

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_01]: that I love where someone says

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_01]: you know who died and left

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_01]: is it who died and left Plato in charge of everything

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's like no who died and left

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Socrates in charge of everything and he's like

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Plato literally Plato

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_01]: so I thought that was a nice little nod

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_01]: to the fact that Laurent is learning sort of epistemological methods

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and then of course we find that Laurent has gone

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_01]: we see Daryl in his

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean Daryl's fashion

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Before you move on to that

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_03]: So the whole family vibe

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I just

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_03]: needed to comment that I don't think we've ever heard Daryl say

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Woo

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And then when someone called

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_03]: for Laurent and he complained like any little kid

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_03]: she's gonna make me read Socrates

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and Isabelle said just like a mom

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Socrates is very entertaining

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and then when he

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and Isabelle Daryl and Isabelle have a parenting

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_03]: discussion about whether they're pushing

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I think we're pushing him too hard

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_03]: He's got too many activities it just

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_03]: reminded me of discussions I've had with

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Jenny over Niko and when Isabelle said

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_03]: he needs balance I've said those very words

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_03]: many times

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Very much like a family here little family

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And in the background of Jason's

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Zoom you can just see Niko doing his Saturday Socrates

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: study

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_03]: He's in Chinese school

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Just some secretive dialogue with the cat

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I know to be fair

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Niko's a smart cookie

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I just asked him if he ever took an IQ test

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_03]: this morning and he said yeah I took one online

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_03]: and what'd you get and he said 138

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm like oh 129

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: You're like those things

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_01]: did you do wrong anyway whatever

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You dummy

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Now go to Chinese school

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So Laurent disappears

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't like oh my god he's definitely

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_01]: still in the building but I was like

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: some things I miss here

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and then as it dawned on me

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like oh yeah he's still there because we had

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_01]: a shot earlier in the episode of

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_01]: a kind of pastry and a glass of milk

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Laurent's meal of choice and then obviously

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_01]: that was a big clue later on

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess yeah Sylvie was like

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_03]: that's Laurent's favourite food what's going on here

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_01]: There was a lot of sort of

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_01]: leaving significant objects

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_01]: the other one we didn't speak about was Hannah's death

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: by Flare

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: where I was like oh they've really focused on the Flare gun

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_01]: in the first scene in Greenland and then it's like

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_01]: oh that's a really horrible way to go

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think you know I was actually

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of confused about what happened the first time

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I watched this I think I was a little

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_03]: too tired but I'm like I thought

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_03]: they took Laurent they did take Laurent out

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_03]: and then they wanted Daryl to go like

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_03]: save him and then

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_03]: and I was just kind of confused

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah I know the second time I watched

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_03]: I figured it out but that made

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_03]: me feel like well yeah my IQ is

[01:11:34] [SPEAKER_03]: a little lower than my son so but also

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_03]: they don't like

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Nico's like did you not understand immediately father

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly but they don't

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_03]: totally hit you over the head with stuff which I

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_03]: appreciate

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And I liked to the scene where Sylvie was

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_01]: figuring it out and yeah

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_01]: it was very cool

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So then

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Daryl who again has had a fashion glow up

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: like Normand Reedus is looking great this season

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: like the vests are working the long black coat

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_03]: is working. His vest is on

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_03]: this walking dead auction that's going

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_03]: on right now I think it's like 3,000

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_03]: something if anybody want the old one you know

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_03]: with a half wing. That's amazing

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I love that

[01:12:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It makes me sad when they sell things from

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: the show because I'm like oh it's never coming back

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I know they're selling all kinds of stuff

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Katanas and baseball bats and stuff

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Niggans bats like 12,000

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god I wonder who's gonna buy it

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Somebody's gonna buy it

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_01]: They're heading out Isabel and Cissan coming

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_01]: with them I'm like this is why Daryl

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I think loves her because she doesn't shy away

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_01]: from this she's very business like there's no

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_01]: She's quite hard

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: in a lot of ways she does show some emotion but

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: she's quite like

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's like a warrior none

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And we see Emile

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: who's been acting so dodgy

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_01]: since he came back like Emile

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like they've injected him with

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_01]: something it's a Trojan horse where he's

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: being bitten and he's gonna turn at night

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I really wasn't sure what they'd done there

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Dark cloud over him

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And he persuade, tries to persuade

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Falou not to come and Isabel and you can see

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_01]: on the second watch you're like oh he's really uncomfortable

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: because he knows what this means

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and Lausanne too

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Lausanne as well and then we hit

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_01]: what looks like the French

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_01]: sanctuary like it looked really like the

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_01]: set of the sanctuary but a bit European

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_01]: industrial chic and I'm

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_01]: assuming you've got a point about this kind

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_01]: of conflict and stuff so I'm happy to bounce

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_01]: over to you if you want

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let's see

[01:13:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so Daryl

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_03]: like I said I was a little bit confused

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_03]: but

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_03]: they have Laurent

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_03]: secluded this

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_03]: out of the way spot in Monsang Michelle

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_03]: send Daryl and his team out to

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_03]: supposedly rescue him from Jeanet

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Isabel and Falou insist on going despite

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Lausanne and Emile's protest

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_03]: does Lausanne know but no he thought the plan

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_03]: was to distract Daryl while they do this

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_03]: ceremony with Laurent

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_03]: but Hasin to change the order

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_03]: told Emile to kill Daryl to get him out of the way

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_03]: so Daryl's fighting the guys at this base

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_03]: and when he rushed that one guy

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_03]: and just stabbed him in the chest it reminded

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_03]: me of something right out of The Last of Us

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_03]: very brutal

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_03]: disturbing but needed to be done

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_03]: then one was about to kill Falou

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_03]: and Emile showed up and didn't help

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and actually

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I love the translation

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: shoot the fuck, I was like

[01:14:24] [SPEAKER_01]: love this little bright language here

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean just like with Hannah

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_03]: and Yoon

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_03]: turning on Carol this surprised me

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't expect Emile to turn on them

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_03]: so two twists which if I can

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_03]: get taken in by something like that I like it

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_03]: then

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Emile has them at gunpoint

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and says we were worried

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Laurent would leave everything we fought for

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_03]: would be lost meaningless everything we did

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_03]: so and he feels like everything

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_03]: he went through with Jenae's people which clearly

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_03]: left a mark on him because he's just seemed so

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_03]: deflated since then would have been for nothing

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_03]: and then we find out he didn't even get tortured

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_03]: there but they made him watch when

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_03]: they did their experiments and murdered others

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_03]: which I think is what's happening

[01:15:04] [SPEAKER_03]: with all the people that Carol's

[01:15:06] [SPEAKER_03]: with you know that's about to happen to them

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_03]: experiments and murder so that'll be fun

[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_03]: to learn more about

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_03]: later on

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it's a horrible thing

[01:15:15] [SPEAKER_01]: to have to sit through I would imagine

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: like it's something to do in the comics with

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Glenn in Woodbury

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Glenn has to

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: listen to

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and witness some pretty horrible

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_01]: torture and it breaks him

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and yeah I don't envy him

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_01]: that so I do I have a little bit of sympathy

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah

[01:15:35] [SPEAKER_03]: and I mean he just

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_03]: he doesn't

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah but

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_03]: he really plays into that

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_03]: whole conversation of doubt and faith that we had

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_03]: before he's firmly on the

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_03]: side of

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_03]: we need to unite our group under

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Laurent as saviour

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_03]: as proven saviour or else it's all been

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_03]: for nothing

[01:15:56] [SPEAKER_03]: and he's desperate for that and

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_03]: and yeah he says

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Laurent represents a future where they can no longer be hurt

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_03]: by the Zeds that's the part where I'm like

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_03]: really does that really follow from everything that you've said

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_03]: then he's about to kill

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Daryl

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking you're about to kill Daryl

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_03]: it's probably not smart of you to spell out

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_03]: that they're going to have

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Laurent get bitten by a zombie

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: as James Bond rules though

[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_01]: is that you got to tell them the plan before you killed them otherwise

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: there's no point

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_03]: similar to when

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Hyun told Ash oh yeah

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_03]: my friend's killing your friend right now

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_01]: oh Carol yeah she's being murdered

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_01]: cool how about you

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_03]: so then they get the drop on

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Emile and then I loved how

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_03]: they cut outside

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and you hear the gun go off that

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Isabel had just been pointing at Emile

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and then all these birds fly away very artistic

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_03]: way of saying that she just shot him in the face

[01:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: because he's appealing to her with Sylvie's

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: necklace and saying like

[01:16:52] [SPEAKER_01]: don't she loves me

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: oh yeah

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_03]: and that's

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_03]: so I don't know the

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_03]: story of Mulan

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Rouge like I said I only saw the first

[01:17:03] [SPEAKER_03]: 20 or 30 minutes

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_03]: which I thought was great but

[01:17:08] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_03]: story of this cabaret

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_03]: that seems great

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_03]: and the two the composer

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Christian poet

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_03]: composer who falls in love with Satine

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_03]: the star performer in courtesan

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_03]: and they fall in love

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_03]: with their romance faces obstacles

[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Satine the courtesan must seduce the wealthy Duke

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_03]: to secure funding for the Mulan Rouge

[01:17:29] [SPEAKER_03]: which complicates her relationship with Christian

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Satine

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_03]: ends the relationship to protect

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Christian from the Duke's wrath Christian

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_03]: heartbroken confronts her and she admits

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_03]: she still loves him tragically

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Satine dies of tuberculosis just as they plan

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_03]: to escape together I should have

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_03]: mentioned spoilers for that sorry but

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it's been 20 years

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_03]: but I think

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_03]: the reason this episode is called

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_03]: that Mulan Rouge is the parallels

[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_03]: with Emile and Sylvie except

[01:17:56] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe Emile is closer to Satine

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_03]: like he's the one who aligned himself

[01:18:00] [SPEAKER_03]: with someone that Sylvie doesn't like

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_03]: he says and so

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know but as I'm saying all that

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel just

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I get this very strong hit of this

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_03]: feeling I've had several times in high

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_03]: school when I did not do the reading and tried to write

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_03]: the essay anyway

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I think

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_01]: there was also I think

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: there was a windmill on the side of the sanctuary

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_01]: building but I couldn't see where there was red

[01:18:25] [SPEAKER_01]: but it was

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was interesting to give it such a distinctive name

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and then not really

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah hit it that hard

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah something we're missing

[01:18:35] [SPEAKER_03]: but anyway back to

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_03]: so after Emile is killed

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah then Daryl

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and Isabella are on their way back to save

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Laurent

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_01]: to save him

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_01]: but they are stuck because of the tide

[01:18:49] [SPEAKER_03]: that's right which I

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_03]: thought it was cool to make use of that

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_03]: unique

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_03]: characteristic of Molesa and Michelle where

[01:18:56] [SPEAKER_03]: the tide comes in and then cuts off

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_03]: access

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah it's cool I love that

[01:19:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was really awesome

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Veronica was just on vacation there

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah

[01:19:07] [SPEAKER_03]: so I'm hoping she'll come on for one of these Daryl episodes

[01:19:10] [SPEAKER_03]: and tell us about it

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a horror

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_01]: it was made into a film

[01:19:16] [SPEAKER_01]: it's also a play and a book called The Woman in Black

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: and it features a title island

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's a key part of the isolation

[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and stuff coming up to Halloween folks

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a Daniel Radcliffe version

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_01]: that came out in the early 2010s

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_01]: but the book is also very spooky

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_01]: if you like a tidal island

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and a tide situation

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_01]: then definitely read that

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I guess we're at the kiss

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_01]: all I have to say is like

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I felt it was a bit weird

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know I feel weird watching Daryl

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_01]: kiss someone I still find it odd

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_01]: and this is the first

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_01]: full on screen kiss we've seen from Daryl

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: there were hints of it in the episode

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_01]: with Leah but we didn't see it explicitly

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_01]: interesting

[01:19:55] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I don't know how I feel about it

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_03]: now that you say that

[01:19:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I felt a little bit of that too and it did remind me

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_03]: of how I was saying I felt about

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Rick and Michonne

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_03]: the first time

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking that I was like oh this is how Jason felt

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_03]: so

[01:20:13] [SPEAKER_03]: like I said they've been getting more intimate

[01:20:15] [SPEAKER_03]: she asked him to scrub her back

[01:20:17] [SPEAKER_03]: in the bath right

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_03]: and that

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I realized that

[01:20:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was him scrubbing her back

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_03]: if I remember maybe it was the other way around

[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was yeah him she asked for help

[01:20:28] [SPEAKER_03]: can you help me in the bath

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_03]: and that was I think an echo of when they first met

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_03]: and she was bathing him

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_03]: when he was wounded but that was

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_03]: not so intimate but it made me realize

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_03]: since those book ended each other

[01:20:40] [SPEAKER_03]: that they probably

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_03]: really intended on

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Isabelle of being a romantic

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_03]: interest from the start last season

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I think they've just been moving towards that this whole time

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_03]: but

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_03]: he already liked her but when she

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_03]: expressed that doubting and skepticism

[01:20:55] [SPEAKER_03]: is okay then

[01:20:57] [SPEAKER_03]: he felt more connected to her said

[01:20:59] [SPEAKER_03]: you're not like them you're like us

[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_03]: and then when she says she's sad thinking

[01:21:03] [SPEAKER_03]: of him leaving and he invites

[01:21:05] [SPEAKER_03]: her to go with him

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_03]: you know you could come with me

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like well that

[01:21:10] [SPEAKER_03]: really says to me

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_03]: and probably to her he likes her

[01:21:14] [SPEAKER_03]: like that's how

[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_03]: relationships get started

[01:21:18] [SPEAKER_03]: neither person is

[01:21:20] [SPEAKER_03]: sure how much the other person likes them

[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_03]: or even maybe how much they like the other person

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_03]: but then there's little signals

[01:21:26] [SPEAKER_03]: that happen they go oh

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_03]: they showed some interest

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_03]: there also a little more

[01:21:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll risk a little more interest and it just gets

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_03]: deeper and deeper yeah but that's a pretty

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_03]: pretty big signal when you're like fly

[01:21:38] [SPEAKER_03]: back to my home country with me

[01:21:40] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I mean that's like you know if we break

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_01]: up you are stuck in America like there

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_01]: is not a lot of transit happening

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_01]: but I do

[01:21:48] [SPEAKER_01]: not think that she will make it

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_01]: to the Commonwealth no I don't

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_03]: either because I don't think that

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_03]: the Daryl show is going

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_03]: to be Isabelle and Daryl I think

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_03]: that you might not make it past this season

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I am worried about this to be honest

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_01]: put it this way didn't see

[01:22:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Clamon's posy in the hotel now

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_01]: can take so

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_03]: that would be

[01:22:10] [SPEAKER_03]: interesting if they were in the same room

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_01]: imagine I'd be like

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_03]: oh what's going on in there

[01:22:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I have a podcast did you know that

[01:22:17] [SPEAKER_01]: can I interview you there like please leave

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like

[01:22:22] [SPEAKER_03]: so then she wasn't sure when he asked

[01:22:24] [SPEAKER_03]: her to go about going with him because

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_03]: she's there because

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_03]: of this whole thing with Laurent

[01:22:29] [SPEAKER_03]: but then Daryl says maybe that's all it was

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_03]: something that just kept you going

[01:22:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and what he doesn't now say is maybe now

[01:22:36] [SPEAKER_03]: you have something better me and then

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_03]: the whole thing with the people from

[01:22:40] [SPEAKER_03]: the nest trying to kill Daryl and planning

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_03]: to test Laurent by having him get bit

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_03]: don't get bit Laurent so of course

[01:22:46] [SPEAKER_03]: now Isabelle doesn't have that anymore

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_03]: it's like all gone

[01:22:50] [SPEAKER_03]: to crap and so then he now

[01:22:52] [SPEAKER_03]: says I'll come back with you

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_03]: if the offer still open

[01:22:56] [SPEAKER_03]: and then she nods and then they had a little

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_03]: flirtatious exchange and then they kiss

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_03]: and for me

[01:23:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I had a lot of different

[01:23:04] [SPEAKER_03]: feelings I've kind of

[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_03]: wanted

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Daryl after

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_03]: this many years and just Leah

[01:23:12] [SPEAKER_03]: to have some love

[01:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: and Paris is the city

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_03]: of romance and so I was happy

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_03]: to see it but I did have

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_03]: that hit of oh this feels weird and I didn't know

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_03]: if it was I think it's just because

[01:23:24] [SPEAKER_03]: we're not used to seeing Daryl kiss

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_03]: anyone but then when I watched

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_03]: the second time

[01:23:29] [SPEAKER_03]: the first part I don't know this feels creepy

[01:23:32] [SPEAKER_03]: to be talking in such detail about the

[01:23:33] [SPEAKER_03]: sentiment moment but the first part of it

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_03]: felt a little weird but then when they kept kissing

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_03]: then it started to be like okay

[01:23:40] [SPEAKER_03]: this is feeling kind of

[01:23:42] [SPEAKER_03]: like a spark here you know

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_01]: it was kind of the initial lunge

[01:23:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like oh and then I was like

[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_01]: okay okay maybe

[01:23:50] [SPEAKER_04]: yes that's kind of how I felt

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I was never going to get my wish

[01:23:54] [SPEAKER_01]: of having Daryl be

[01:23:56] [SPEAKER_01]: a queer character

[01:23:57] [SPEAKER_01]: or an asexual character but I

[01:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: still enjoy the readings of his character

[01:24:02] [SPEAKER_01]: from the time when that was a possibility

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Isabelle

[01:24:06] [SPEAKER_01]: is a very worthy romantic

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_01]: interest for him but it also

[01:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: felt like they were sealing the fate of

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: she's not coming with you

[01:24:14] [SPEAKER_01]: there was a part of me that's like

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: oh she's just signed her death warrant

[01:24:17] [SPEAKER_01]: or something you know I don't know

[01:24:19] [SPEAKER_01]: she will die but it did

[01:24:21] [SPEAKER_01]: feel like oh yeah that's

[01:24:23] [SPEAKER_01]: not happening

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_03]: and you know it makes me

[01:24:27] [SPEAKER_03]: interested to know

[01:24:29] [SPEAKER_03]: like what's Carol going to think

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_03]: of her and what's she gonna think of Carol

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_03]: like oh

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Daryl has a girlfriend now and

[01:24:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Isabelle is like oh you have a BFF

[01:24:39] [SPEAKER_03]: and then just this idea that

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_03]: she

[01:24:43] [SPEAKER_03]: we both feel like this means she won't

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_03]: last too long

[01:24:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm like oh shit I hope Carol doesn't kill her

[01:24:50] [SPEAKER_01]: sorry what's the vibe here

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_01]: oh my god I don't really get

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_01]: or you his mom

[01:24:56] [SPEAKER_01]: his sister

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_01]: like yeah it's gonna be

[01:25:00] [SPEAKER_01]: an interesting yeah

[01:25:01] [SPEAKER_03]: interesting I'm looking forward to

[01:25:03] [SPEAKER_03]: seeing what it's like

[01:25:05] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe Carol and Isabelle will run off together

[01:25:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean that would be brilliant

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: did you catch what the French word

[01:25:12] [SPEAKER_01]: they were talking about was?

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_01]: no I couldn't get it on closed captions

[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_01]: but I liked the discussion they had about

[01:25:17] [SPEAKER_01]: a nice change of scenery

[01:25:20] [SPEAKER_01]: that makes you look at things a different way

[01:25:21] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah and then they're

[01:25:23] [SPEAKER_03]: like tongue kissing

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and her promise

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_01]: to Lily overcoming

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: her faith and religion things of that

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: she's like what was most important was the promise she made to her sister

[01:25:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like respect that's cool

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah yeah

[01:25:38] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah

[01:25:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's probably why

[01:25:41] [SPEAKER_03]: they made a point of showing Daryl

[01:25:44] [SPEAKER_03]: so connected to

[01:25:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Laurent in this episode so that

[01:25:47] [SPEAKER_03]: when you had Sylvie

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and Daryl kind of

[01:25:51] [SPEAKER_03]: hooking up I mean not Sylvie that didn't happen

[01:25:53] [SPEAKER_03]: that was the first credit

[01:25:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Daryl's like

[01:25:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I gotta go check on something no

[01:25:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Isabelle and Daryl that you wouldn't have this feeling

[01:26:02] [SPEAKER_03]: like what about Laurent because it's like

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_03]: now they just seem like a unit yeah

[01:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: absolutely

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_03]: alright anything else

[01:26:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed Carol munching her

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_01]: apple so it's something

[01:26:13] [SPEAKER_01]: that you kind of associate with villains but there's something very satisfying about it

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_03]: and I liked how she sees this

[01:26:18] [SPEAKER_03]: truck full of food

[01:26:19] [SPEAKER_03]: and it seems like it could be bad but

[01:26:22] [SPEAKER_03]: she still goes up and grabs an apple and then

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_03]: she cut the feed bag so that it would

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_03]: leave a trail for her to follow

[01:26:28] [SPEAKER_03]: he's so smart that way

[01:26:30] [SPEAKER_01]: she's so resourceful it was properly straight

[01:26:32] [SPEAKER_01]: out of a fairy tale

[01:26:35] [SPEAKER_04]: or a spider-man

[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to give a shout out as well for Manish Deyal

[01:26:38] [SPEAKER_01]: who plays Ash Patel

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he is

[01:26:42] [SPEAKER_01]: fine but also really good actor

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I like him a lot

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_04]: and I don't know

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_01]: what cursed

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_01]: algorithm is literally

[01:26:51] [SPEAKER_01]: in my brain but when I logged into Netflix

[01:26:53] [SPEAKER_01]: the other day it was recommending the resident

[01:26:55] [SPEAKER_01]: which he is also in and I'm like this is weird

[01:26:57] [SPEAKER_01]: how are you in my brain

[01:26:59] [SPEAKER_03]: somebody said to me that

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_03]: they watched and liked him in the 90210 reboot too

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah he was in that he's also been an agent

[01:27:07] [SPEAKER_01]: of shield and fast and furious

[01:27:09] [SPEAKER_01]: spy racers which I've not seen

[01:27:11] [SPEAKER_01]: so maybe I should watch that

[01:27:12] [SPEAKER_01]: but yeah I'm enjoying him

[01:27:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I hope he doesn't get killed off too quickly

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_01]: because I think there's a lot to explore there with him

[01:27:18] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah maybe he'll go on to Spain

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I doubt it

[01:27:22] [SPEAKER_01]: that would be fun he turns up in Barcelona

[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I had a point about Carol and him

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_03]: actually because

[01:27:31] [SPEAKER_03]: in the plane after he shot

[01:27:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Hannah

[01:27:34] [SPEAKER_03]: with the flare gun Carol asked him if it's his first time

[01:27:37] [SPEAKER_03]: killing a person and he said yes

[01:27:39] [SPEAKER_03]: how about you and she just goes no

[01:27:41] [SPEAKER_03]: no I've killed a lot of people

[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and I just love how she can slip in and out of being

[01:27:45] [SPEAKER_03]: open and honest and straightforward with him

[01:27:46] [SPEAKER_03]: like on the things where it doesn't

[01:27:49] [SPEAKER_03]: contradict her mission

[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_03]: she's fully connected with him

[01:27:52] [SPEAKER_03]: and his friend you know

[01:27:55] [SPEAKER_01]: absolutely and there's something to be said

[01:27:57] [SPEAKER_01]: for Carol like

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_03]: being honest

[01:28:00] [SPEAKER_01]: being honest and clocking bad situations

[01:28:03] [SPEAKER_01]: sometimes I think she does have quite a good

[01:28:05] [SPEAKER_01]: read of people

[01:28:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think that came out in this episode

[01:28:08] [SPEAKER_01]: with the Greenlanders

[01:28:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think when you've been in an environment that's been

[01:28:12] [SPEAKER_01]: unsafe or abusive

[01:28:14] [SPEAKER_01]: you have heightened sensitivity to certain things

[01:28:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think she

[01:28:18] [SPEAKER_01]: that stands her in good stead

[01:28:19] [SPEAKER_01]: sometimes she is overly

[01:28:23] [SPEAKER_01]: vigilant but here I think it was

[01:28:25] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I love that

[01:28:26] [SPEAKER_03]: because that to me explains

[01:28:28] [SPEAKER_03]: why she let

[01:28:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Hannah get as far as she did with that crossbow

[01:28:32] [SPEAKER_03]: because she sensed

[01:28:34] [SPEAKER_03]: that Hannah actually didn't

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_03]: in her heart

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_03]: was a good person

[01:28:38] [SPEAKER_03]: and wouldn't have wanted to kill her

[01:28:40] [SPEAKER_03]: and the only reason why she was doing it is because she

[01:28:42] [SPEAKER_03]: flipped the coin and Yun was

[01:28:45] [SPEAKER_03]: pressuring her to do it right

[01:28:46] [SPEAKER_03]: so I think that probably

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_03]: sent at worst mixed signals

[01:28:51] [SPEAKER_03]: to Carol but she felt

[01:28:53] [SPEAKER_03]: that if Yun wasn't around

[01:28:56] [SPEAKER_03]: then Hannah and Carol would just have a drink

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_03]: and be great friends

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I think so

[01:29:01] [SPEAKER_01]: little killed a Swinton

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah she was very sweet

[01:29:04] [SPEAKER_03]: but also about these two so when they get to France

[01:29:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Carol and Ash, Carol convinces him to stay with the plane

[01:29:09] [SPEAKER_03]: throws out

[01:29:11] [SPEAKER_03]: three or four different

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to make sure the plane is safe

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to endanger you because you're my responsibility

[01:29:17] [SPEAKER_03]: well you've really

[01:29:19] [SPEAKER_03]: put him in a lot of danger so far

[01:29:20] [SPEAKER_03]: he's lucky to be alive

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_01]: she's trying to mitigate the destruction

[01:29:24] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's too late mate he's in France

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: because it's on you if something happens to him

[01:29:29] [SPEAKER_03]: really she just doesn't want him to go because

[01:29:31] [SPEAKER_03]: she'll see him looking

[01:29:33] [SPEAKER_03]: for a

[01:29:35] [SPEAKER_03]: middle aged man

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I love the idea that

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_01]: she'd be like hey Ed

[01:29:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and Darryl would be like what the fuck

[01:29:42] [SPEAKER_00]: that was great whoever wrote him with that

[01:29:44] [SPEAKER_00]: loved it

[01:29:45] [SPEAKER_03]: she said she's going to need Ash

[01:29:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and the plane to get

[01:29:51] [SPEAKER_03]: her out of there when the time comes

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_03]: and I do believe that she means that

[01:29:54] [SPEAKER_03]: so

[01:29:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I bet you she doesn't even have a plan

[01:29:59] [SPEAKER_03]: but she's just like

[01:29:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll figure it out when the time comes

[01:30:01] [SPEAKER_03]: but she comes back with Darryl and be like

[01:30:03] [SPEAKER_03]: well I couldn't find her but I met this guy

[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_03]: or I don't know

[01:30:08] [SPEAKER_01]: sorry Darryl's like

[01:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: oh wee

[01:30:11] [SPEAKER_03]: and then I'm like is there enough room

[01:30:13] [SPEAKER_03]: for Isabel and Laurent on the plane

[01:30:15] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm like oh only one of you

[01:30:17] [SPEAKER_03]: can come so Darryl you have to choose

[01:30:19] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah you have to pick one

[01:30:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's like neither

[01:30:24] [SPEAKER_03]: but I did like that she said

[01:30:26] [SPEAKER_03]: if I'm not back in two weeks don't keep

[01:30:27] [SPEAKER_03]: waiting so at least there's a plan in place

[01:30:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I was a bit where I was like

[01:30:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Carol that's the whole heap of time Darlin

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_01]: you gotta walk to Paris like it's quite big

[01:30:34] [SPEAKER_01]: good for her I guess

[01:30:36] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah yeah yeah

[01:30:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I might have had some notes

[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_03]: let me see maybe not actually

[01:30:42] [SPEAKER_03]: just a few

[01:30:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I wondered in the opening scene

[01:30:46] [SPEAKER_03]: why Laurent Isabel and others

[01:30:48] [SPEAKER_03]: were digging outside of Mont Saint Michel

[01:30:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I missed something there

[01:30:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I think is it maybe for like seafood

[01:30:54] [SPEAKER_01]: for like clams or something

[01:30:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I think you can get stuff that way

[01:30:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know I'm not a big seafood person

[01:31:00] [SPEAKER_01]: correct me if I'm wrong I bet Lara will

[01:31:02] [SPEAKER_01]: at least wink with no Lara's very good with

[01:31:04] [SPEAKER_01]: good stuff and also loved listening to Lara

[01:31:06] [SPEAKER_01]: on the feedback episode very much enjoyed it

[01:31:09] [SPEAKER_03]: yay

[01:31:10] [SPEAKER_03]: more great aesthetics

[01:31:13] [SPEAKER_03]: in addition to the

[01:31:14] [SPEAKER_03]: great Greenland stuff there was a really nice

[01:31:16] [SPEAKER_03]: aerial view of Mont Saint Michel

[01:31:18] [SPEAKER_03]: in the morning mist

[01:31:20] [SPEAKER_03]: sunrise that was beautiful

[01:31:22] [SPEAKER_03]: and the music in this episode is really good

[01:31:24] [SPEAKER_03]: there were some moments with like low sustained

[01:31:26] [SPEAKER_03]: cello notes that were just gorgeous

[01:31:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know who's doing the music these days

[01:31:30] [SPEAKER_03]: but I loved it

[01:31:33] [SPEAKER_03]: only on the walking dead

[01:31:35] [SPEAKER_03]: would you love to see a reindeer head

[01:31:37] [SPEAKER_03]: for dinner I don't know

[01:31:39] [SPEAKER_01]: only the walking dead is a reindeer head

[01:31:41] [SPEAKER_01]: a relief

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_01]: and to find it a part

[01:31:43] [SPEAKER_03]: because it's not a human head

[01:31:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to I'm going to Finland

[01:31:47] [SPEAKER_01]: in December and I'm like oh maybe

[01:31:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I will try some reindeer but then I feel guilty

[01:31:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like I say do it

[01:32:12] [SPEAKER_03]: obvious threat to untold numbers of citizens

[01:32:13] [SPEAKER_02]: of people it kills get up and kill

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_02]: are they slow moving chief

[01:32:17] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah they're dead they're

[01:32:19] [SPEAKER_02]: all messed up

[01:32:21] [SPEAKER_02]: this is a walking dead cast news update

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_03]: so Lenny James has

[01:32:27] [SPEAKER_03]: a new thing coming out you sent me

[01:32:29] [SPEAKER_03]: an article about it called Mr. Loverman

[01:32:31] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a

[01:32:33] [SPEAKER_03]: British show

[01:32:35] [SPEAKER_03]: the synopsis says

[01:32:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Antiguin born Londoner Barrington

[01:32:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Jedidiah Walker Lenny James

[01:32:41] [SPEAKER_03]: has his marriage collapse after a decades

[01:32:43] [SPEAKER_03]: long affair with his male best friend

[01:32:45] [SPEAKER_03]: is revealed and it premieres

[01:32:47] [SPEAKER_03]: on BBC one and I player starting

[01:32:49] [SPEAKER_03]: October 14th

[01:32:51] [SPEAKER_03]: it looks really fascinating

[01:32:53] [SPEAKER_03]: especially because we get to see him

[01:32:55] [SPEAKER_03]: do something completely different

[01:32:57] [SPEAKER_03]: which I'm sure is a huge relief

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_03]: to him

[01:33:01] [SPEAKER_03]: this was a really long article

[01:33:03] [SPEAKER_03]: in the Guardian and it was all very interesting

[01:33:05] [SPEAKER_03]: but I don't want to read the whole thing

[01:33:07] [SPEAKER_03]: because it will take too long

[01:33:08] [SPEAKER_03]: but I put a link in the show notes

[01:33:11] [SPEAKER_03]: if you guys want to hear more but here's some bits

[01:33:13] [SPEAKER_03]: in the new show James plays the kind

[01:33:15] [SPEAKER_03]: of dapper, stately British Caribbean

[01:33:17] [SPEAKER_03]: gent who seldom seen not sporting

[01:33:19] [SPEAKER_03]: a well-tailored well-accessorized

[01:33:21] [SPEAKER_03]: outfit and a sharp stick

[01:33:23] [SPEAKER_03]: no I'm just kidding

[01:33:25] [SPEAKER_03]: it's a change from how we've seen James

[01:33:27] [SPEAKER_03]: most often over the past decade

[01:33:29] [SPEAKER_03]: raging and ragged across the

[01:33:30] [SPEAKER_03]: post-apocalyptic landscape of the Walking Dead

[01:33:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Lenny James says in Walking Dead

[01:33:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I literally wore the same costume for three years

[01:33:37] [SPEAKER_03]: three years I wore the same trousers

[01:33:38] [SPEAKER_03]: every time I'd show up I'd go oh god

[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_03]: it's these again then when I left

[01:33:42] [SPEAKER_03]: the main show to go to the spin off

[01:33:44] [SPEAKER_03]: the trousers came with me

[01:33:48] [SPEAKER_03]: it says

[01:33:49] [SPEAKER_03]: it wasn't just the suits Mr. Levinman

[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_03]: adapted from the novel by

[01:33:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Bernardine Everisto

[01:33:54] [SPEAKER_03]: was also a chance

[01:33:56] [SPEAKER_03]: for the 58 year old James to return

[01:33:58] [SPEAKER_03]: to his roots it's not your typical

[01:34:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Windrush generation immigrant story

[01:34:02] [SPEAKER_03]: though his character Barrington Barry

[01:34:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Walker is a successful man on the surface

[01:34:06] [SPEAKER_03]: erudite married with two grown-up

[01:34:08] [SPEAKER_03]: daughters owner of several properties

[01:34:10] [SPEAKER_03]: and Veeble wardrobe likes to drink

[01:34:12] [SPEAKER_03]: but who doesn't but he's also

[01:34:14] [SPEAKER_03]: a closeted gay man who has been in a secret

[01:34:16] [SPEAKER_03]: relationship with his best friend Morris since

[01:34:18] [SPEAKER_03]: their boyhood back in Antigua

[01:34:20] [SPEAKER_03]: James says he wants to be

[01:34:22] [SPEAKER_03]: looked at but he's hiding

[01:34:25] [SPEAKER_03]: having kept sexuality under wraps

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_03]: for so long the story finds Barry

[01:34:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Hemden by his own double life

[01:34:30] [SPEAKER_03]: and belatedly confronting the prospect

[01:34:32] [SPEAKER_03]: of living as his true self

[01:34:34] [SPEAKER_03]: so I guess I won't

[01:34:36] [SPEAKER_03]: read more but there's a lot about

[01:34:38] [SPEAKER_03]: having to deal with homophobia

[01:34:40] [SPEAKER_03]: among his culture

[01:34:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and

[01:34:45] [SPEAKER_03]: attitudes towards homosexuality

[01:34:48] [SPEAKER_03]: and stuff like that

[01:34:49] [SPEAKER_03]: it says this is no fiction

[01:34:51] [SPEAKER_03]: even in even as Jamaica has

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_03]: a thriving LGBTQ plus

[01:34:54] [SPEAKER_03]: community successful artists such as

[01:34:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Beanie Man, Buju Banton

[01:34:58] [SPEAKER_03]: and Veebe's Cartel

[01:35:01] [SPEAKER_03]: have all put out egregiously

[01:35:03] [SPEAKER_03]: anti-gay music

[01:35:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Shabba ranks from whose hit song

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Mr. Loverman ironically takes its title

[01:35:08] [SPEAKER_03]: once defended Banton's homophobia

[01:35:11] [SPEAKER_03]: on British TV show The Word

[01:35:13] [SPEAKER_03]: by saying that those who forfeited

[01:35:14] [SPEAKER_03]: the word of the Bible deserve crucifixion

[01:35:17] [SPEAKER_03]: same-sex activity is still

[01:35:19] [SPEAKER_03]: illegal in Jamaica and was only

[01:35:21] [SPEAKER_03]: made legal in Antigua and Barbuda

[01:35:22] [SPEAKER_03]: in 2022 and in Trinidad and Tobago

[01:35:25] [SPEAKER_03]: in 2018

[01:35:27] [SPEAKER_03]: so it's really a complicated

[01:35:28] [SPEAKER_03]: story about it sounds like a man

[01:35:31] [SPEAKER_03]: who ran away from home so he could be with his lover but also

[01:35:33] [SPEAKER_03]: has a wife and a bunch of and grown kids

[01:35:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really

[01:35:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm definitely going to watch it

[01:35:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I really like Lenny James the fact that I can still

[01:35:40] [SPEAKER_01]: like him after a few other walking dead is

[01:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot for me but yeah

[01:35:44] [SPEAKER_01]: it just sounds like a fascinating

[01:35:46] [SPEAKER_01]: fascinating show and BBC productions

[01:35:48] [SPEAKER_01]: tend to be quite high quality

[01:35:50] [SPEAKER_01]: so yeah I will look it back

[01:35:52] [SPEAKER_03]: awesome yeah I mean maybe it'll come out on

[01:35:54] [SPEAKER_03]: BBC America too I don't know

[01:35:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I would imagine so there was one more paragraph

[01:35:58] [SPEAKER_03]: that I thought was interesting

[01:36:00] [SPEAKER_03]: about Lenny James as a person

[01:36:02] [SPEAKER_03]: it says in person he seems like

[01:36:04] [SPEAKER_03]: a calm thoughtful empathetic guy

[01:36:06] [SPEAKER_03]: is it too glib to say acting

[01:36:08] [SPEAKER_03]: is an outlet he was incredibly

[01:36:10] [SPEAKER_03]: shy kid he explains quote meet between

[01:36:12] [SPEAKER_03]: me and my brother when we were growing up

[01:36:14] [SPEAKER_03]: if you said one of you is going to be an actor

[01:36:15] [SPEAKER_03]: 99% of people would have picked my brother

[01:36:18] [SPEAKER_03]: over me he never particularly

[01:36:20] [SPEAKER_03]: craved recognition it seems

[01:36:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Lenny James and would still rather hide under

[01:36:24] [SPEAKER_03]: a hat and glasses than bask in the

[01:36:26] [SPEAKER_03]: limelight a moment longer than he has

[01:36:28] [SPEAKER_03]: to quote I'm very much a kind of home

[01:36:30] [SPEAKER_03]: body having friends and family close by

[01:36:32] [SPEAKER_03]: and around he says and I'm very comfortable

[01:36:34] [SPEAKER_03]: in my own company so yeah I think

[01:36:36] [SPEAKER_03]: the whole job is my outlet so I can close

[01:36:38] [SPEAKER_03]: the door and be quiet Lenny again

[01:36:41] [SPEAKER_04]: awww

[01:36:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and that tracks for me when

[01:36:44] [SPEAKER_03]: he was in the green room at

[01:36:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Walker Stalker he would often seem

[01:36:48] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of solitary or he would just be with

[01:36:50] [SPEAKER_03]: one of the other castmates having a quiet conversation

[01:36:53] [SPEAKER_04]: mm-hmm

[01:36:54] [SPEAKER_04]: mm-hmm

[01:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: he seems like such a cool guy I've never heard

[01:36:57] [SPEAKER_01]: a bad thing about him either I'd love to

[01:36:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know he just seems really fascinating

[01:37:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad he found something like this I hope it's good

[01:37:05] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah

[01:37:05] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I really do

[01:37:06] [SPEAKER_03]: to showcase his amazing acting talent

[01:37:10] [SPEAKER_01]: so uh-huh

[01:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: absolutely

[01:37:17] [SPEAKER_03]: alright that is our show episode 602

[01:37:20] [SPEAKER_03]: thanks so much for listening everyone

[01:37:22] [SPEAKER_03]: glad to have you back by the way I didn't mention that at the top but uh

[01:37:25] [SPEAKER_01]: aww it's nice to be back

[01:37:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think we're gonna be able

[01:37:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I wasn't gonna be able to do next episode but I think we can

[01:37:31] [SPEAKER_01]: so that's exciting

[01:37:32] [SPEAKER_03]: oh the feedback oh yeah yeah

[01:37:34] [SPEAKER_01]: okay yeah yeah I'll be out next week

[01:37:37] [SPEAKER_01]: because I'm in an improv show

[01:37:38] [SPEAKER_01]: that is going out in York on Thursday

[01:37:41] [SPEAKER_01]: aww that is so cool

[01:37:41] [SPEAKER_01]: um so that's gonna be fun

[01:37:43] [SPEAKER_01]: but it does mean I won't be around for the next show

[01:37:45] [SPEAKER_03]: so Dina is gonna come on for that one

[01:37:48] [SPEAKER_01]: hoping that I'll still maybe be allowed to watch it

[01:37:50] [SPEAKER_03]: UberDarylFan

[01:37:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought I would send it to you

[01:37:53] [SPEAKER_03]: after this

[01:37:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just making you promise on air

[01:37:57] [SPEAKER_01]: so that I can give you a show if you don't send it

[01:37:59] [SPEAKER_01]: okay that's smart

[01:38:01] [SPEAKER_03]: but yeah Dina is gonna be out next time

[01:38:04] [SPEAKER_03]: and that'll be great but actually next

[01:38:05] [SPEAKER_03]: very next time will be the listener feedback

[01:38:08] [SPEAKER_03]: episode for Mulan Rouge which you will

[01:38:09] [SPEAKER_03]: be here for and that'll be fun

[01:38:11] [SPEAKER_01]: yes that would be great

[01:38:13] [SPEAKER_01]: if you want to write in or leave us a voice message

[01:38:15] [SPEAKER_01]: about it which we hope you do

[01:38:17] [SPEAKER_01]: you can find all our contact information at

[01:38:19] [SPEAKER_01]: podcastica.com

[01:38:20] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah and while you're there please check out our other

[01:38:23] [SPEAKER_03]: podcasts I mentioned this last

[01:38:25] [SPEAKER_03]: time but I don't know if people heard

[01:38:27] [SPEAKER_03]: because everyone heard because it was on a

[01:38:29] [SPEAKER_03]: feedback episode but we now have a sport

[01:38:31] [SPEAKER_03]: show it's called Sports Castica

[01:38:33] [SPEAKER_03]: it's David's baby

[01:38:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and he's got

[01:38:37] [SPEAKER_03]: experts in the field

[01:38:39] [SPEAKER_03]: of sports casting that he's

[01:38:41] [SPEAKER_03]: interviewing about different kinds of

[01:38:43] [SPEAKER_03]: sports concepts that get talked a lot

[01:38:45] [SPEAKER_03]: about but aren't widely understood

[01:38:47] [SPEAKER_03]: so he's gonna apply

[01:38:49] [SPEAKER_03]: his love of

[01:38:50] [SPEAKER_03]: the genre and his meticulousness

[01:38:53] [SPEAKER_03]: to that topic and I think it'll be really

[01:38:55] [SPEAKER_03]: fascinating to see what he comes up with

[01:38:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I love the sound of that so much

[01:38:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm even going to listen to it even though

[01:39:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't do sports

[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you heard but

[01:39:04] [SPEAKER_03]: when I posted this

[01:39:06] [SPEAKER_03]: in the Zed head group there were a few people

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_03]: like Damien and other people who like sports

[01:39:10] [SPEAKER_03]: that were like yes and then Wendy chimed in

[01:39:12] [SPEAKER_03]: and goes will they cover Quidditch

[01:39:17] hahahaha

[01:39:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Quidditch

[01:39:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Quidditch

[01:39:19] [SPEAKER_03]: so that'll be great

[01:39:22] [SPEAKER_03]: so check it out this episode is made possible by

[01:39:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Patreon supporters like Dina Harris

[01:39:26] [SPEAKER_03]: who pledged their support at patreon.com

[01:39:27] [SPEAKER_03]: slash Jason Kabassie so thank you so much to Dina

[01:39:30] [SPEAKER_03]: who writes such great

[01:39:32] [SPEAKER_03]: just insightful and well written

[01:39:34] [SPEAKER_03]: feedback and as I mentioned

[01:39:36] [SPEAKER_03]: she'll be coming on with us

[01:39:38] [SPEAKER_03]: for the

[01:39:40] [SPEAKER_03]: next week's episode but also

[01:39:42] [SPEAKER_03]: during the rewatch she requested

[01:39:44] [SPEAKER_03]: to be on the episode where Darryl

[01:39:46] [SPEAKER_03]: and Beth drink moonshine so she'll be on that one too

[01:39:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Dina should

[01:39:50] [SPEAKER_01]: write a thesis on

[01:39:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Darryl Dixon she's great

[01:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: absolutely

[01:39:56] [SPEAKER_03]: alright that is our show

[01:39:57] [SPEAKER_01]: thanks for listening

[01:39:59] [SPEAKER_03]: don't get bet Sean Hoyle

[01:40:02] [SPEAKER_03]: or of war

[01:40:03] [SPEAKER_01]: or of war

[01:40:04] [SPEAKER_01]: or of war