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[00:00:00] Hmm? Ah!

[00:00:03] Hmm.

[00:00:04] Podcast to go!

[00:00:38] Zed Heads, welcome to the podcast, I'm Jason.

[00:00:40] And I'm Lucy.

[00:00:41] We're going through your feedback for The Walking Dead Daryl Dixon Season 2 Episode 4, La Paradis Pour Toi.

[00:00:48] We got a lot of feedback this week from people who did not agree with you about this episode, Lucy.

[00:00:54] We all loved it, but apparently we don't agree. No, I'm just kidding.

[00:01:01] Actually, we got-

[00:01:02] I love it.

[00:01:02] I think we got, I kind of just scanned it, but-

[00:01:04] Seems like a healthy balance.

[00:01:06] Yeah, yeah.

[00:01:06] Yeah.

[00:01:07] Um, I learned in a review of this episode that the title comes from the song that the older French couple are listening to.

[00:01:15] Mmm.

[00:01:15] It's called La Paradis Pour Toi.

[00:01:17] Right.

[00:01:17] So that's my fact for the week.

[00:01:19] I just thought it probably referred to Isabel dying, but I don't know.

[00:01:24] I don't know.

[00:01:25] Going to paradise.

[00:01:26] Also, I had eggs this morning, but no truffle.

[00:01:29] So-

[00:01:29] That's a shame.

[00:01:30] My update.

[00:01:31] I know, it's crap.

[00:01:33] Uh, I, I was trying to wrap, I think you're going to like this.

[00:01:37] I was trying to wrap my head around why they need to clear the decks of all these characters just to make room for Carol or change plotlines.

[00:01:44] Yeah.

[00:01:45] Yeah.

[00:01:45] And I absolutely think it seems plausible they would kill off Isabel to make room for her, you know, because she's kind of Carol.

[00:01:54] I mean, Daryl's sidekick and now we have Carol there.

[00:01:56] I think that would be a mistake.

[00:01:57] I think they could make good story.

[00:01:59] Oh, yeah.

[00:01:59] Three of them at least for a while.

[00:02:00] But, um, I, I just don't, didn't think it made sense like to write Janae out because you need bad guys.

[00:02:07] Yeah.

[00:02:08] I don't think it makes sense they'd make Lo Sang a bad guy because of Carol.

[00:02:12] I mean, if they needed to get rid of the nest, they could just have Janae get rid of the nest and they're not getting rid of the nest anyway.

[00:02:17] It's still there.

[00:02:18] Um, Lo Sang's in charge there, but I was chatting with Lara and Karen she this morning and Laura mentioned, and I kind of had this in the back of my mind, but I just, just ignored the little voice there, which I do sometimes.

[00:02:29] Anyway, she said that some, how these spinoffs are less expensive than the walking dead because they have smaller casts and less big stars.

[00:02:37] And I'm like, okay, maybe they're writing out the more expensive cast members to cover the cost of bringing in Melissa McBride.

[00:02:43] Yeah.

[00:02:44] Who might've like demanded a lot, like to be convinced to go or something, or even just her normal salary or whatever.

[00:02:50] Maybe Janae actress and Cherrier costs more than Joel de la Fuente who plays Lo Sang and they wrote her out and made him the bad guy or something like that, you know?

[00:03:00] Yeah.

[00:03:01] I was thinking about that.

[00:03:02] I was talking to Karen as well.

[00:03:03] And, um, yeah, thinking about Clermont's posy who's a film actress and has headed up lots of TV shows.

[00:03:10] So is Janae, the Janae actress too.

[00:03:12] Yeah.

[00:03:13] So it's plausible.

[00:03:14] And, and if that's true, then it gives me sort of the same like pit in my stomach when Chandler Riggs got killed off because of contract negotiations.

[00:03:25] We think, um, although that I feel like is worse because walking dead was just a huge cultural juggernaut back then with many times the amount of viewers and ad dollars than it has now, but also a lot more cast members to take care of too.

[00:03:39] But anyway, either way, if that's what happened, which I feel like there's a pretty good chance it is, then it kind of sucks.

[00:03:45] You know, it sucks.

[00:03:47] This whole season is like, let's deal with behind the scenes stuff and try to make the best story that we can.

[00:03:56] You just see a light counter in the corner of cash.

[00:03:59] And every time someone dies, it goes ding, ding, ding.

[00:04:01] Yeah.

[00:04:02] And you just see these executives going, all right, here's who you're going to have to kill off.

[00:04:05] Well, we had this story that I don't want to hear about it.

[00:04:08] Yeah.

[00:04:08] Make it happen.

[00:04:10] Clemence, you're officially too good for this show.

[00:04:12] Yeah.

[00:04:14] You're right.

[00:04:14] I don't know.

[00:04:15] Anyway, let's get into the feedback.

[00:04:22] Figure we'll start with the live Steve since it's kind of a recap to remind us what happened.

[00:04:28] So here we go.

[00:04:30] Hello, the cast of us.

[00:04:31] This is Steve.

[00:04:32] And this is going to be for The Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon, season two, the book of Carol, episode four.

[00:04:39] I'm not even going to try to say the French because I don't want to sound stupid.

[00:04:42] Well, I don't want to offend anybody.

[00:04:44] Whoa.

[00:04:44] Those are cannons they're bringing in.

[00:04:46] And of course, a Gatling gun.

[00:04:48] And Carol's going to not get killed, right?

[00:04:51] Obviously not.

[00:04:52] Okay.

[00:04:52] So she was able to pull the dart out before probably anything got into her, right?

[00:04:55] At least they didn't make us wait long to see that she survived this whole shooting thing where they're making everybody into zombies.

[00:05:00] Oh, dang.

[00:05:01] Carol just stole the vehicle that has Kudron and she's going to lead.

[00:05:04] Now she's going to lead the zombies to the fortress, right?

[00:05:06] The nest.

[00:05:07] Yeah.

[00:05:07] Right to Daryl.

[00:05:09] Okay.

[00:05:09] I had to pause it because that was intense.

[00:05:11] But now we're back to Isabel and she does have the drain thing in her hand.

[00:05:16] Oh, and Lohang just killed Isabel or stabbed her at least.

[00:05:20] So Carol is at the nest with Janae and her army.

[00:05:23] And Daryl though is still in prison by Janae, right?

[00:05:27] And of course Carol to the rescue of Isabel.

[00:05:30] But of course she doesn't have any clue who Isabel is, right?

[00:05:32] No, I'm confused.

[00:05:33] Daryl was being held by Lohang, right?

[00:05:35] Yes.

[00:05:35] He was there in the nest as well.

[00:05:37] So, okay, they're all in the same place.

[00:05:38] Oh, and now we've got badass Daryl again.

[00:05:40] But who was that that unlocked Daryl?

[00:05:43] Oh, Carol and Daryl at the reunion.

[00:05:45] Some dude.

[00:05:46] I had to pause it and I know I might go long because I'm going to stick on this point.

[00:05:51] But who saved Daryl and what happened to that person?

[00:05:54] Because all we see is we see this kid.

[00:05:55] Just eye candy.

[00:05:56] Just eye candy for me.

[00:05:58] Older LeBron.

[00:05:58] I don't know.

[00:06:00] He's got the keys.

[00:06:01] And the next thing we know, Daryl shakes the chains and he's out killing bad guys.

[00:06:07] Yeah.

[00:06:07] Carol, you told Janae your whole story in like a few sentences.

[00:06:10] And now you're just going to tell Daryl, oh, that's a long story.

[00:06:13] Greenland.

[00:06:14] Daryl and Carol speaking for the audience.

[00:06:16] You, me, here.

[00:06:17] It's crazy.

[00:06:18] It's stupid.

[00:06:19] No, it's crazy.

[00:06:20] Wait.

[00:06:20] So she wasn't talking about Rick when she said somebody came back?

[00:06:23] She was talking about a feeling?

[00:06:25] Yes, she was.

[00:06:25] Come on.

[00:06:25] So this older couple, they had flu and the title is the song that's playing on the record.

[00:06:35] So kind of a mic drop, kind of a record drop.

[00:06:38] And they think that Carol is Isabel.

[00:06:41] Like, wouldn't Isabel be French?

[00:06:43] Oh, Carol brought a gift from Judith to Daryl.

[00:06:46] Oh, the old man turned them in and now they're facing down the barrel of a shotgun.

[00:06:51] Why is Daryl grabbing a pipe?

[00:06:53] Doesn't he still have his knives?

[00:06:53] Oh, just shot Janae with one of those darts.

[00:06:56] I guess now we're going to find out what happens when a living person gets hit with one of those.

[00:06:59] Gross.

[00:07:00] Okay, so what?

[00:07:01] Janae is dead.

[00:07:01] So now Losang is just going to lead this army.

[00:07:04] Okay, two episodes left.

[00:07:07] I love that.

[00:07:08] I guess we're going to find out.

[00:07:09] Gross!

[00:07:11] We found out.

[00:07:12] Don't...

[00:07:13] We didn't really touch on this too much, but isn't it kind of weird that they had this

[00:07:17] whole thing where Falou and Laurent met with this older couple and then went on their way

[00:07:22] and we didn't see any of it?

[00:07:24] Yeah.

[00:07:24] Like, we didn't see Laurent at all.

[00:07:26] Maybe Laurent's expensive per episode.

[00:07:28] Yeah, right.

[00:07:31] He raised his fee.

[00:07:33] Yeah.

[00:07:34] I know I was a bit like, oh, I guess we're just not seeing them this episode.

[00:07:39] Okay.

[00:07:40] It's weird.

[00:07:40] It was weird.

[00:07:40] Like, can we get a couple of cheap actors to talk about where Laurent went?

[00:07:44] Yeah.

[00:07:45] We will describe it in great detail.

[00:07:48] Anybody want to work for free?

[00:07:49] Yeah.

[00:07:50] Sposure.

[00:07:51] Stuart.

[00:07:52] Who's Stuart?

[00:07:53] Steve, thank you so much for calling in.

[00:07:55] Um, well, I've got Jeff Holtorf who says, this show keeps getting better and better.

[00:07:59] I really am enjoying a smaller, more focused cast.

[00:08:02] Everyone is doing a great job.

[00:08:05] Jeff, read the room.

[00:08:07] No, I'm just kidding.

[00:08:10] No, I would not want to.

[00:08:12] I like, I feel kind of feel bad.

[00:08:14] Like this is the reason why we stopped covering, um, Fear the Walking Dead on the podcast and

[00:08:19] we turned it into Patreon exclusive round table rants where we just have no holds barred.

[00:08:24] And I hope we aren't, I hope this show does, um, improve for us so that it doesn't become

[00:08:31] that.

[00:08:32] It's a louder bum week.

[00:08:34] Yeah.

[00:08:34] Like I'm not viewing it as like having jumped the shark fully.

[00:08:37] I'm viewing it as like.

[00:08:37] And there is good stuff too.

[00:08:39] Uh huh.

[00:08:39] A lot of good stuff.

[00:08:40] Like I'm viewing it as this was not a good week, but it's not irredeemable.

[00:08:44] Right.

[00:08:44] And it's all subjective too.

[00:08:46] So there's people like Jeff who are into it.

[00:08:49] Like, I do feel bad.

[00:08:50] Like, I'm sorry if we're trashing on something that you love.

[00:08:53] It's just like, God, we got to give our opinions.

[00:08:55] But if it turns into something that we just don't like consistently, then maybe we will

[00:09:00] stop covering and just go back to doing rants on Patreon or something.

[00:09:04] I mean, I don't like putting this kind of thing out there consistently negativity, you

[00:09:08] know?

[00:09:09] So hopefully it's just a dip.

[00:09:10] Yeah.

[00:09:11] It's just a dip.

[00:09:12] And we're allowed to call it out when it's a dip.

[00:09:14] Yes, absolutely.

[00:09:15] I'm not going to pretend to think something that I don't think that's no good for anyone.

[00:09:19] Okay.

[00:09:19] Monica McGuire says, Oh, good God.

[00:09:21] Carol's feelings.

[00:09:24] I knew this was the book of Carol, but please, this episode was a bit like watching fear,

[00:09:29] but not that bad.

[00:09:30] Okay.

[00:09:30] I'll reset myself and not expect it to be as good as season one.

[00:09:34] It was not as bad as fear.

[00:09:36] I totally agree with that.

[00:09:38] I mean, fear had some good episodes in there, but how it was so consistently ridiculous at

[00:09:45] the end there, this show, in my opinion, doesn't really approach that.

[00:09:50] Yeah.

[00:09:51] I hear you.

[00:09:54] I've got Teresa Harper, who says, I loved it.

[00:09:59] I was disappointed with Isabelle's death and Carol's.

[00:10:02] It was not a person, but a feeling that came back.

[00:10:04] But other than that, I thought it was good.

[00:10:05] I laughed.

[00:10:06] I cried and was scared.

[00:10:07] So in my humble opinion, that makes for a great show.

[00:10:10] Thanks guys for your hard work.

[00:10:11] It is much appreciated.

[00:10:13] Thank you for writing in Teresa.

[00:10:14] And I'm glad that you got some laughs and some heartfelt moments in there.

[00:10:18] And so did I, I laughed at the moment with Carol and Daryl and trying to get the car working

[00:10:24] and I got moved by their reunion and everything.

[00:10:28] So you're right.

[00:10:29] There were moments in there, you know, there were moments.

[00:10:32] Andy Fisher says, dear J. Lou.

[00:10:35] Oh, that's our couple name.

[00:10:36] That's so cute.

[00:10:37] That's amazing.

[00:10:38] Daryl and Carol together made this episode really special to me.

[00:10:42] I've been wondering why I didn't like the show before this episode and the ones who live

[00:10:45] Rick and Michonne re-meet in the first episode.

[00:10:48] Six episodes, not enough.

[00:10:50] I think things are really going to start cooking now.

[00:10:52] France, you in trouble.

[00:10:54] Five pizzas, but no ring this week.

[00:10:56] Maybe that's because Daryl and Carol aren't a couple.

[00:10:59] It's platonic.

[00:11:00] Yeah.

[00:11:01] All right.

[00:11:02] Here's Johnny from Texas.

[00:11:04] What's up, Jason and Lucy?

[00:11:07] Yep.

[00:11:07] This is Johnny from Texas.

[00:11:09] Although I did enjoy this episode, I'm calling in to say that it was wrong.

[00:11:13] The way they killed Isabel.

[00:11:15] I think she could have had a much more honorable death.

[00:11:18] And I absolutely, positively, entirely hated the way Carol actually stated that nobody

[00:11:26] came back.

[00:11:26] It was just a quote feeling.

[00:11:29] I hope all this leads to a good finale because I feel like if Daryl were to hear Rick came

[00:11:33] back, if he would have heard Rick came back, he would have immediately wanted to get Laurent

[00:11:38] and get the hell back to the US.

[00:11:41] Yeah.

[00:11:41] This is insane, man.

[00:11:43] I hope they're setting up something good for the finale.

[00:11:46] And to think that they're already filming season three, it's like, man, how much story exactly do they plan to tell?

[00:11:53] I sure hope there's an end game to this.

[00:11:57] I hope y'all enjoy the rest of y'all's week.

[00:11:59] And can't wait for episode five.

[00:12:02] Yeah.

[00:12:04] Ooh.

[00:12:06] I need to get that checked out.

[00:12:08] I like that.

[00:12:10] That was cool.

[00:12:11] Thank you, Johnny.

[00:12:12] I like the kids screaming in the background as well.

[00:12:14] Added to the sense that he was turning.

[00:12:16] I mean, yeah, no.

[00:12:19] I think Daryl does want to get Laurent and go back to the US anyway.

[00:12:23] You know, he was saying that he would go back to the US if Rick was there, but that still is the plan.

[00:12:30] Maybe he would not stick around for truffles and eggs if he knew Rick was there.

[00:12:34] He'd be in a little bit more of a hurry.

[00:12:35] I don't know.

[00:12:36] You never know.

[00:12:38] Thanks so much, Johnny.

[00:12:38] Penny.

[00:12:39] Penny Lennox says, I'm really tired of people 10 or 15 years into the zombie apocalypse saying to someone else something to the effect of a horrible thing happened to me.

[00:12:47] You can't possibly understand loss like that.

[00:12:50] Everyone in the zombie apocalypse has witnessed or experienced horrible things.

[00:12:54] Every single person.

[00:12:56] Stop pretending that you have some unique suffering that allows you to be in this case a Nazi.

[00:13:01] Well put, Penny.

[00:13:02] Well put.

[00:13:02] Yeah.

[00:13:03] I was kind of thinking about that too.

[00:13:05] That's what, um, I think, who said it?

[00:13:08] Janae said it to Carol.

[00:13:10] I think, have you ever experienced a loss like this?

[00:13:12] No, I've been fine.

[00:13:13] Yeah, I've been great actually.

[00:13:14] I love Barnes.

[00:13:18] Kim Underwood Lyons, who I think she co-hosts the Brains Gone Bad podcast.

[00:13:23] Are they still doing that?

[00:13:24] I'm not sure.

[00:13:25] Um, but when they were, it was great.

[00:13:27] Uh, she says, I've never been so happy for a villain's gory death.

[00:13:31] I wonder if Laura really will have zombie bite immunity.

[00:13:35] They didn't reference his unusual condition of birth for no reason.

[00:13:39] Or could he become the first sentient zombie?

[00:13:43] Maybe he already is.

[00:13:44] No, I'm just kidding.

[00:13:45] It seems though the show has run out of ideas to keep Laura interesting.

[00:13:49] It could explain why he's been off screen so much this season.

[00:13:52] He just demands too high of a paycheck.

[00:13:55] I think so.

[00:13:56] He's very, he's essentially, you know, a version of Timothee Chalamet.

[00:14:01] So he's probably got a lot of it, a lot of business out there.

[00:14:04] Um, next up we have Laura Willie Swink.

[00:14:08] Just listening now to the podcast and thought I'd mentioned Jason that I don't think Isabel

[00:14:12] was being sacrilegious by saying Jesus was a man who could bleed and die.

[00:14:15] From a Christian point of view, Jesus was a mortal man put on earth to suffer and die like all humans do.

[00:14:20] Maybe if she said she did not believe in the resurrection, it would indicate she's lost her faith.

[00:14:25] But I think her point was all these prophets and messiahs were exceptional humans, but can still bleed and die as can Laurent.

[00:14:32] That is a very good theological point, Laura.

[00:14:35] I would go for that except if you're saying, oh no, Laurent's not special.

[00:14:39] He's just like Jesus who died and then was resurrected and now is living forever.

[00:14:44] I'm not sure it's a great argument.

[00:14:46] I mean, she was like in a pretty bad way at the point where she was saying this, you know?

[00:14:52] Yeah, right.

[00:14:53] Give her a little idly way.

[00:14:54] Uh, here's Archmaester Renny.

[00:14:57] Renny!

[00:14:58] Lucy and Jason.

[00:14:59] What?

[00:15:00] What?

[00:15:02] I just want to tell you both.

[00:15:03] I totally agree with you about the direction that this season is going, unfortunately.

[00:15:08] But I wanted to call in to say something that will make Jason happy.

[00:15:12] And that is that I went by the drop in ballot box this morning to leave my ballot.

[00:15:18] And there was a car ahead of me dropping off a ballot.

[00:15:22] And there was a car that pulled up right behind me dropping up a ballot.

[00:15:25] So people are voting.

[00:15:27] Yay.

[00:15:28] Yeah.

[00:15:29] There's, I think, record early voting right now.

[00:15:33] I really wish I could vote at this point, but I'm just so proud of all of you that are

[00:15:38] voting in and saying that you have.

[00:15:40] It makes such a difference.

[00:15:41] Yeah.

[00:15:41] It's great.

[00:15:43] Especially women.

[00:15:43] You have to fight for the right to vote, man.

[00:15:45] So use it.

[00:15:46] Use it or lose it.

[00:15:48] That's what I say.

[00:15:49] Okay.

[00:15:49] Nathan Eshelman says, this feels a little bit like Morgan coming into season four of fear.

[00:15:56] Hmm.

[00:15:57] The show's original characters that we've grown to become invested in are now sacrificial cows.

[00:16:02] So AMC can tell stories with it safe, pre-established best friend duo.

[00:16:07] Isabelle's final scene.

[00:16:08] Didn't have any space to breathe.

[00:16:10] It was hard for me to get invested in the sadness of the moment because it was surrounded by action sequences and the Daryl and Carol reunion hug.

[00:16:17] Nothing against Carol, but I did prefer the show as a Daryl fish out of water story.

[00:16:23] Yeah.

[00:16:24] I mean, the reason why this almost makes me feel more upset than what happened on fear maybe is because fear had new showrunners that came in in season four and they wanted to put their own stamp on it, create their own characters.

[00:16:40] And they didn't really understand the existing characters and ended up killing a lot of them off.

[00:16:45] Here we have the same writers who had a good story going, like keep it going, man.

[00:16:51] You know?

[00:16:52] Yep.

[00:16:53] Yep.

[00:16:54] Yep.

[00:16:56] Nathan.

[00:16:57] Um, Chantelle Gillies says, Hey, Jason and Lucy, this episode was so emotional.

[00:17:02] Isabel's death was awful, but not a shock.

[00:17:04] It seems Carol's past is most definitely catching up with her and it's heartbreaking to see her this way.

[00:17:09] I cried when Daryl saw Carol.

[00:17:11] This to me was their best reunion yet.

[00:17:13] Both their tears and emotions felt real.

[00:17:16] My biggest shock and total letdown was when Daryl asked Carol, so you said someone was back, but not the answer we were waiting for.

[00:17:23] My only hope is that we eventually get the ultimate reunion where they get back home.

[00:17:27] Carol, Daryl, Rick and Michonne, and of course our Judith.

[00:17:30] I wish they made the series a little longer, but it is what it is.

[00:17:33] RIP Jeanne.

[00:17:35] Yeah.

[00:17:37] It is what it is.

[00:17:38] It is what it is.

[00:17:40] It is what it is.

[00:17:41] It might just be something we didn't realize it was.

[00:17:44] Uh, Natalie Collins says, I would totally watch a Carol and Codrone show.

[00:17:48] She's got a few bullet points here.

[00:17:50] Those amped up Zeds are scary.

[00:17:53] Lo sang WTF.

[00:17:55] That's not how I imagined those two meeting.

[00:17:58] I presume she means Daryl Carol.

[00:17:59] Daryl lifting his chained arm without saying a word.

[00:18:02] Love it.

[00:18:04] It was a pretty cool scene.

[00:18:05] The reunion.

[00:18:06] Oh, bollocks.

[00:18:07] I presume that means Isabel.

[00:18:09] The conversation about them being in France is delightful.

[00:18:12] Hmm.

[00:18:12] Is Carol lying to Daryl about who came back?

[00:18:15] No, I don't think so.

[00:18:17] We wish.

[00:18:19] Uh, yeah.

[00:18:19] The Zed strung up along the road is visually stunning.

[00:18:23] Can this old dude be trusted?

[00:18:25] No, I can't tell.

[00:18:26] She's lovely though.

[00:18:28] Interesting town tour.

[00:18:30] Maybe you're too much.

[00:18:31] Ha ha ha.

[00:18:33] Damn.

[00:18:33] That's what I have to say about everything from the eggs on.

[00:18:36] Oh, that's after at the end.

[00:18:38] But then she, uh, watch, listen to our podcast.

[00:18:40] P.S.

[00:18:40] Now that the TV episode and the podcast episode are out, this season annoys me.

[00:18:44] The first season was so good.

[00:18:45] I feel like adding Carol was a mistake.

[00:18:47] I would still watch a Carol Codrone show, but not sure how much more of this I will put up with.

[00:18:51] And I love Daryl.

[00:18:54] Oh, see that's what.

[00:18:56] Carol and Codrone would be quite funny actually, to be fair.

[00:18:58] Yeah.

[00:18:59] I, I resist.

[00:19:01] I, what am I feeling here?

[00:19:04] I just, I feel bad that this negative energy about the show would be directed at either the character of Carol or especially Melissa McBride.

[00:19:14] Um, which I don't, maybe it's not being directed at Melissa McBride at all.

[00:19:18] No, I don't think that's what.

[00:19:19] But I think they could have brought Carol in, in a way that was totally awesome.

[00:19:25] And honestly, right now, Carol's my favorite part of this show.

[00:19:29] Like every scene she's in, I am loving.

[00:19:32] I mean, the only thing I'm a little critical of is this whole PTSD thing around, um, Sophia seems like a weird time for it to come up, but I could accept that.

[00:19:42] But the other stuff, like all the stuff with Ash and her interactions with Daryl and, um, even the Greenland stuff.

[00:19:50] I liked all of that.

[00:19:52] Yeah.

[00:19:53] Yeah.

[00:19:53] There's just some things not, not coming together.

[00:19:56] I feel like, but we'll see how the next two go.

[00:19:59] Mm hmm.

[00:20:00] Also, one of the listeners, I won't say who in case they don't want me to say, but you know, there, these episodes leaked.

[00:20:08] Did you know that?

[00:20:09] No.

[00:20:10] So people got ahold of them.

[00:20:11] Oh.

[00:20:12] So I, one of the listeners who I think saw them all said, just didn't want to spoil me, but was like these final two episodes and then like a sad emoji or something.

[00:20:22] So I don't know.

[00:20:25] Okay.

[00:20:26] It's all subjective, but I'm not holding my breath for anything great here.

[00:20:30] Okay.

[00:20:30] Let's see.

[00:20:31] Let's see.

[00:20:31] We'll see.

[00:20:32] We'll see.

[00:20:32] All right.

[00:20:33] Here's another call from Gloria.

[00:20:35] Bonjour, Jason and Lucy.

[00:20:37] It's Gloria from Salem.

[00:20:38] Bonjour.

[00:20:39] So this is for episode four of the Carol and Daryl show.

[00:20:43] It seemed like the first half of it was all about suspension and disbelief.

[00:20:49] I mean, I can understand Carol playing dead, but then getting shot with that dot that was full of God knows what.

[00:20:56] I mean, I know she was wearing leather, but come on.

[00:20:59] Then she runs to the Jeep with a bunch of people with guns staring at her and no one shoots her.

[00:21:03] I mean, what are you doing guys?

[00:21:06] Oh, and then of course, no one hits a card on either.

[00:21:09] I had a feeling that Isabel would die in this episode.

[00:21:14] I'm sure we all did.

[00:21:15] It was sad, but I wasn't as affected as I probably thought it should have been.

[00:21:21] Yeah, whatever.

[00:21:22] She's she's a great actress, but I did not want her and Daryl together for sure.

[00:21:28] My favorite scene was the reunion, of course.

[00:21:31] Yes.

[00:21:31] Tears.

[00:21:32] And that scene between Carol and Dee Dee really sweet.

[00:21:36] And then again, them with the bond.

[00:21:38] True.

[00:21:38] Oh my God.

[00:21:39] PTSD makes another appearance.

[00:21:42] I really hoped at that point that Daryl and Carol would leave them still alive.

[00:21:47] But you know, and when they were working on the car.

[00:21:51] Oh my God.

[00:21:51] They were bickering like an old married couple.

[00:21:53] Of course they were.

[00:21:54] It's pretty funny.

[00:21:56] And my second favorite scene.

[00:21:58] Dee Dee.

[00:21:59] God, I loved her so much.

[00:22:01] Comparing Jeanne to the Nazis.

[00:22:03] Perfect.

[00:22:04] That was hilarious.

[00:22:07] Oh my God.

[00:22:09] Total justice is what Jeanne got.

[00:22:12] That's how karma works, you know?

[00:22:14] So this was a great episode.

[00:22:16] I am looking forward to next week.

[00:22:19] I really hope that they find Laurent soon.

[00:22:23] And it's the fourth episode and they finally reunite.

[00:22:27] Great.

[00:22:28] But I think it was a little too much, a little too long for us.

[00:22:32] So this is only six episodes.

[00:22:35] Okay.

[00:22:36] That's it for me.

[00:22:37] Au revoir.

[00:22:38] Au revoir.

[00:22:40] Au revoir.

[00:22:44] Bye.

[00:22:44] Thanks, Gloria.

[00:22:45] Thanks, Gloria.

[00:22:45] I think it was a pretty good middle ground to have them reunite mid-season.

[00:22:49] Yeah.

[00:22:49] So it didn't take too long, but didn't make it so that she just flew to France and saw Daryl

[00:22:54] right away in the first episode, you know?

[00:22:56] Yeah.

[00:22:56] She wasn't there in two seconds.

[00:22:57] Yeah.

[00:22:59] Yeah.

[00:22:59] Um, our friend Wyman Owens written in, he says, well, I think the Carol and Daryl reunification

[00:23:04] project was well worth the wait.

[00:23:05] I think it played out very well.

[00:23:07] I may be a grown man, but yes, I welled up with emotion.

[00:23:11] It was a great moment.

[00:23:12] Thoroughly enjoyed.

[00:23:13] Grown men can cry.

[00:23:14] It's fine.

[00:23:14] Yeah, it's absolutely fine.

[00:23:16] Um, now onto the rest of it.

[00:23:18] They did Isabelle dirty.

[00:23:20] Lusang or Wu-Tang, whatever his name is, gets to go all stabby stab.

[00:23:24] Not cool.

[00:23:25] I feel sad for Daryl.

[00:23:27] He's overcome with emotion that Carol is here in France only to learn five minutes later

[00:23:30] that the girl he made smoochies with is gone.

[00:23:33] Poor guy.

[00:23:34] Yee-haw, Janay is dead, but damn, what a way to go.

[00:23:37] I have those itches in the middle of my back sometimes.

[00:23:39] I can't reach them either.

[00:23:41] Couldn't help but chuckle.

[00:23:43] Look out, Lusang.

[00:23:44] Carol and Daryl versus your messed up army.

[00:23:46] You are going to need more red shirts to make it fair.

[00:23:50] You are about to get lit up by the great war hero of Terminus.

[00:23:53] And if you happen to fight on a field of flowers, you had better say your prayers

[00:23:57] because you're gonna be dead.

[00:23:59] Needless to say, I enjoyed this episode much more than the last two.

[00:24:02] I just hope Ash has room for three more people on his plane.

[00:24:05] Hope y'all enjoyed it as well.

[00:24:07] Talk to you next week.

[00:24:08] Bye!

[00:24:08] I...

[00:24:09] Yeah, the size of the plane seems to be something that Carol and Ash haven't really considered.

[00:24:14] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:24:15] When going to get Sophia and Ed.

[00:24:17] Yeah, yeah.

[00:24:18] There must be room for more people.

[00:24:20] But if it's Daryl, he can just sit on the wing because he's badass.

[00:24:24] Oh yeah, he'd just be like hanging from the bottom like, yeah.

[00:24:28] But there must be more.

[00:24:29] There must be room at least for one more person.

[00:24:33] Or yeah, I guess you're right.

[00:24:35] Ash would have presumed that Carol would want to take her husband as well.

[00:24:40] So yeah, two more people.

[00:24:41] I mean, he'd really hope so, you know?

[00:24:43] Her husband, Ed, who looks just like Norman Reedus.

[00:24:46] Yeah.

[00:24:48] I did love that suggestion from a listener that should be like, oh, Ed!

[00:24:52] Right.

[00:24:52] Like, yeah.

[00:24:52] So when he brings Daryl and Laurent back, he's just gonna have to have Laurent speak in a higher voice.

[00:25:00] Yeah.

[00:25:02] Hello!

[00:25:03] Oh, je m'appelle Sophia!

[00:25:05] Je m'appelle Sophia!

[00:25:06] Like, alright, cool.

[00:25:09] Becky Anderson says, sigh, I really didn't like this episode.

[00:25:13] Even suspension of disbelief couldn't save the majority of this episode.

[00:25:17] So much that was too convenient, and even more that didn't make sense.

[00:25:20] The actors mostly did their part, but the story writing was terrible.

[00:25:24] I'm sad Issa is gone.

[00:25:26] How she went down was terrible and made no sense.

[00:25:29] She deserved so much better.

[00:25:31] Was it just me or did Daryl not really seem too upset about her death in the moment?

[00:25:35] No, it's not just you.

[00:25:36] Lucy definitely felt that.

[00:25:37] I really felt that, yeah.

[00:25:38] I was so excited for Carol, K-A-R-Y-L, to reunite, but sadly it fell flat for me.

[00:25:44] And then Carol tells him it was, quote, just a feeling that came back.

[00:25:48] What?

[00:25:49] Yeah.

[00:25:50] It's almost like you could be writing this, Lucy.

[00:25:51] Uh, there were some sweet moments between the two, but for the most part it wasn't what I thought it was going to be.

[00:25:58] The only surprise in this episode was Jhene's face exploding.

[00:26:01] I wasn't expecting her to go so early this season, but her end was satisfying.

[00:26:06] The whole Lo-Sang story makes no sense and is stupid.

[00:26:09] How does the Lo-Sang we started with end up with the guy who kills Issa and then take over Jhene's army?

[00:26:16] Dumb.

[00:26:17] Dumb.

[00:26:18] This episode ended and all I could think was there's another season of this coming?

[00:26:21] Jesus.

[00:26:23] Wow.

[00:26:24] Knowing what I know now, I would rather them have waited until the end of the season to bring Carol back and maybe next season be them making their way back to America.

[00:26:32] Here's hoping they make this mess of an episode up to us with the remaining episodes, but I'm sadly not too optimistic.

[00:26:39] Me neither.

[00:26:40] Oh, bless you, Becky.

[00:26:42] I hear you.

[00:26:42] Yep.

[00:26:44] All right.

[00:26:44] Here's another call from Carly Jackson.

[00:26:47] Hey, Jason and Lucy.

[00:26:48] This is Carly in Santa Fe.

[00:26:50] I had a few thoughts about this episode of Daryl Dixon.

[00:26:54] The pacing was really off.

[00:26:55] I thought it was very disrespectful to Isabel to have her die in the beginning of an episode.

[00:27:00] They should have given us that time for like a somber ending at the end of an episode or maybe just not killed her off at all.

[00:27:08] I think it's really weird that they killed her off as soon as Carol showed up.

[00:27:12] Like it's impossible to have two women travel with Daryl.

[00:27:15] Yeah.

[00:27:15] I mean, it would have been really interesting to see that dynamic of Carol and Daryl and Isabel all together.

[00:27:21] Um, I liked the French couple.

[00:27:24] Um, I was waiting for them to turn out to be evil, you know, like in the old, uh, episodes of the original show where you're like, who is this new character?

[00:27:33] Is this an evil person or is this a good person?

[00:27:34] And so that was some fun tension, but I, I just really liked them.

[00:27:38] Um, yeah, me too.

[00:27:40] And I'm glad it wasn't that they were like poisoning the truffles or there were cannibals or something, but it was more like they were, he was trying to be practical in a way that was super cowardly, but is sort of what people did in world war two.

[00:27:54] So it made them feel like real people, you know?

[00:27:57] Yeah.

[00:27:57] You all want to think you do the absolute best, but also.

[00:28:02] When your life is on the line.

[00:28:03] Yeah.

[00:28:04] Maybe.

[00:28:04] Yeah.

[00:28:05] Yeah.

[00:28:07] And I, you know, it was, it's so frustrating.

[00:28:12] I mean, I agree with all of your frustrations with the writing.

[00:28:15] Uh, it was a really amazing setup to have Daryl start to allow himself to have these romantic feelings for Isabel after all these years and to have his protectiveness over Laurent and it's his own development separate from Carol, you know, that we haven't seen in a while.

[00:28:32] And to have two old friends come together and one of them is growing and changing as a person that has so much potential for an interesting story.

[00:28:40] And they just kind of threw it away by killing Isabel.

[00:28:44] Mm-hmm .

[00:28:44] So also, I mean, with Carol, there's potential, there was potential that they didn't capitalize on where, you know, she's, she's finally confronting her grief and trauma over losing Sophia.

[00:28:59] And she's lying to people about it.

[00:29:01] She's hiding it from people, but she can't hide that from Daryl because he knows her.

[00:29:05] He was there.

[00:29:07] And so there's this whole other avenue of story direction that they could show Carol needing to be genuine because she literally can't lie to Daryl because he knows the truth.

[00:29:18] And his very presence makes her confront the past as it really was and not as she would describe it in her, you know, manipulative lies.

[00:29:26] So we lost that potential too, I think.

[00:29:29] I don't know about that.

[00:29:31] I feel like that's where they're going with it.

[00:29:33] Don't you think?

[00:29:33] In what sense?

[00:29:35] Well, they've set this whole thing up where Carol's having to confront her past with Sophia and what happened.

[00:29:41] And she's, as Carly's saying, lying to Ash about it and presenting it as a whole different picture.

[00:29:47] But now that she's with Daryl, she can't do that.

[00:29:50] I feel like that's still an ongoing concern for this season, you know, so we have to see where they go with it.

[00:29:56] Yeah, I think that's something that it's got to come to a head at some point.

[00:30:00] Yeah.

[00:30:00] So yeah, I'm open minded about that.

[00:30:03] I really, really hate that Carol was using Isabelle's name.

[00:30:08] I thought Daryl should have been furious about that.

[00:30:12] It was very weird.

[00:30:13] And this is coming from someone who wanted a romantic relationship between Carol and Daryl for years.

[00:30:18] But I found it weird and I did not like it.

[00:30:23] One gem in the story, the truffle in the mud, as Jason was saying, is when Janae asks Carol if she's ever felt that kind of loss.

[00:30:31] And Carol just kind of laughs.

[00:30:33] I was like, I really just love that reaction.

[00:30:35] That just felt really real.

[00:30:37] So anyway, I hope I'm not too late with this.

[00:30:41] Yeah, I felt all that.

[00:30:43] And that's such a good point.

[00:30:45] I wasn't, I felt again, like a little voice that I didn't listen to about Carol using Isabelle's name because it's like if you really want to hammer the point home that yeah, Carol just came in and shoved Isabelle out and just have her use her name.

[00:31:02] I'm like, yep, I'm totally taking her place.

[00:31:04] Oui!

[00:31:05] Oui, oui!

[00:31:07] Je m'appelle Isabelle.

[00:31:09] I just love that.

[00:31:10] We're like, wouldn't Isabelle be French?

[00:31:11] I'm like, yeah.

[00:31:12] She will be.

[00:31:14] Oh, Carly, thanks for calling in.

[00:31:16] Thank you, Carly.

[00:31:18] Matt King has written in and he says, I was wondering how Jason and Lucy would react to this and those two major deaths.

[00:31:23] Not positively, it seems from the start of the podcast.

[00:31:26] It certainly feels like a different show to season one.

[00:31:29] Like it was rewritten hastily after Melissa agreed to join for season two.

[00:31:33] Perhaps it would have been better to end as a single season.

[00:31:36] However, there are good moments in there.

[00:31:38] The rehabilitation of Codron, seeing Daryl and Carol together again, and the introduction of Ash.

[00:31:43] I think for this season, you just have to lower your expectations.

[00:31:47] A lot.

[00:31:48] And then you can enjoy it for what it is.

[00:31:50] If you think it will be at the same level as season one or peak era Walking Dead, then you will be sorely disappointed.

[00:31:56] If you just go with it and try not to get annoyed with the glaring missteps, it's not bad.

[00:32:00] It certainly isn't anywhere near as bad as fear.

[00:32:03] I had enough of that midway through season two.

[00:32:05] P.S.

[00:32:06] Totally off topic.

[00:32:07] But those who love Lenny James from his days as Morgan, his new show, Mr. Loverman, on the BBC in the UK currently is absolutely fantastic and his performance incredible.

[00:32:16] Episode seven of eight in particular was so emotional.

[00:32:20] Hopefully it will make its way across to the US soon so you can all get to see it.

[00:32:23] Matt, that is my weekend plan is to catch up on Mr. Loverman.

[00:32:27] It's meant to be fun.

[00:32:28] Yeah, I'm excited to hear that it's good.

[00:32:29] I don't know if we can watch it here.

[00:32:31] I have to look into that.

[00:32:33] Sometimes.

[00:32:33] I think they'll release it soon.

[00:32:35] Yeah.

[00:32:35] I can't imagine that though.

[00:32:36] It might be here now.

[00:32:37] I don't know.

[00:32:38] Do they still have that BBC America?

[00:32:39] I think so.

[00:32:40] I don't know.

[00:32:40] Yeah.

[00:32:41] I don't know.

[00:32:42] I don't like when people, nothing personal, Matt, but when people say, oh, just lower your expectations, you know, like turn your brain off and you'll love it.

[00:32:51] I need something inspiring or something to really that lights me up.

[00:32:57] Not like, oh yeah, if I just don't think too hard, then this will be great.

[00:33:02] You know, I hear you.

[00:33:04] But I appreciate you trying to help us like the show more.

[00:33:09] Okay.

[00:33:10] Lara Willie Swink.

[00:33:11] Oh, I guess she had a couple in here.

[00:33:13] I should have put them together.

[00:33:14] Anyways, she says, oh, I can't believe it.

[00:33:16] I knew it was coming, but they did it.

[00:33:18] They fridged Isabel.

[00:33:19] Yeah.

[00:33:21] The fridging, by the way, is a term that came up in the Green Lantern comic book where the Green Lantern's girlfriend got stuffed into a refrigerator by a villain.

[00:33:31] And there was a lot of criticism about women just being used as a way, you know, to have horrible deaths just to see how the male character will react to it, which people find really disrespectful.

[00:33:43] Okay.

[00:33:44] So they fridged Isabel.

[00:33:46] Apparently any female besides Carol that Daryl opens his heart to will get the Gwen Stacy treatment.

[00:33:51] Similar thing that happened with Spider-Man's girlfriend.

[00:33:54] I really feel like the deaths so far this season, Emil, Sylvie and now Isabel are so completely hollow and unnecessary.

[00:34:00] Why did Losang take Isabel to a separate room to give her a strong talking to, to re indoctrinate her?

[00:34:06] It seemed to make no sense.

[00:34:08] It's I don't understand why they let Isabel hang out with Daryl for a little while and then came and grabbed her again.

[00:34:13] That's what I, what I, it's just like, Oh, so she can have a conversation with Daryl.

[00:34:19] Ah, plus either Losang is simply amazing at covering up his devious murderous side that we had no hint of it in season one, or we just saw the biggest 180 ever in series from pacifist to killer in 0.2 seconds.

[00:34:31] I love the sweet couple of Theo.

[00:34:34] Oh, I guess the name is Theo and DD who have somehow lived to a ripe old age and near pastoral peace with their zombie neighbors.

[00:34:40] Of course, until Daryl and Carol show up, then he turns into a dick and she of course dies.

[00:34:46] The death of Janay, however, was a real surprise for me and also gruesome.

[00:34:50] Well, I'm still here for gorgeous shots of Mont Saint-Michel at night in the moonlight or picturesque Norman villages and also here for Daryl and his Trey Chic suspenders clubbing walkers with a mace.

[00:35:02] I think it's a flail, but yeah.

[00:35:04] Uh, but Le Sigh, I'm just not feeling it as much this season.

[00:35:08] Oh, Laura.

[00:35:09] Yeah.

[00:35:09] From pacifist to killer in 0.2 seconds is the name of, um, Morgan's motivational video series.

[00:35:15] Right.

[00:35:16] I don't know if you've seen them.

[00:35:17] They're great.

[00:35:17] Yeah.

[00:35:18] And then the sequel and back again.

[00:35:20] Yeah.

[00:35:23] A Morgan's tale.