608: "Vouloir, C'est Pouvoir" (TWD: Daryl Dixon S2E5)

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[00:01:22] Alright.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you think that someday, that's what will be over? We'll be able to do normal things. We'll be able to go to school with other kids. See a movie. Ride a bike.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_02]: We have something like that back home. Hell, I'll teach you how to ride a bike.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey Zed Heads, welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm Lucy.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm Veronica.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Yay.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yay.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Veronica's here. And this is the Cast of Us, episode 608.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_10]: And this episode, we're covering The Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon, season two, episode five, Vevoir ses pouvoirs.

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know what that means.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Vomol.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_03]: It means, um, where there's a will, there's a way. I looked it up.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_10]: Oh.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Basically.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Which I don't know why they named this episode that. But anyway, welcome Veronica.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Yay, Veronica's here.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Hi.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Hi, thanks for having me. It's fun to be here.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I saw you were posting pictures of your visit to The Nest, a.k.a. Mont Saint-Michel, where you were indoctrinated into Losang's cult.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_03]: So we wanted to try to deprogram you.

[00:03:13] Yes.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Laurent is not worth it.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_08]: But publicly was the best way to do it.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_08]: That is false.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_08]: I would have seen right through him.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And I thought it would be awesome to hear about your trip to France.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it was amazing.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_07]: I still am looking at pictures and I'm a little bit in disbelief that I was actually there.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_07]: Like it seems like a fairy tale, especially Mont Saint-Michel.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Like it felt like stepping out of our world into something else.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, a little bit of history mixed with like Harry Potter magic almost.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_07]: It felt like, um, it, it was really cool.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Had you been to Europe before?

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_07]: That was my first time going to Europe.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like another world.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, holy shit.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_07]: I was pretty overwhelmed the whole time just with everything, the food and the people and the language and the sites.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_07]: And, um, yeah, it was amazing.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_07]: And so I was there for work, but we added some extra days and there were three of us traveling together.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_07]: My boss, I, and then a friend of my bosses from the UK came over and each of us sort of had one thing we wanted to do.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_07]: And Mont Saint-Michel was what I wanted.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_07]: And as soon as they looked it up, they were like, yeah, we're down for this.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_07]: So we rented a car.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_03]: How long did it take to drive there?

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_07]: About four hours from flying into Paris.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh man, I never did that.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Now I totally want to next.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_03]: If I get a chance, I'll do it for sure.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_07]: And it was also like a beautiful drive.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Paris, France is really nice.

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_03]: It's the countryside.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_03]: So what did you, was it like a tour of the place?

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_03]: What was it like?

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_07]: So that's like, honestly, I don't know if I'll ever have the chance to go back, but I wish I could.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_07]: So our one friend, um, didn't want to go all the way up to the top.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_07]: So you can sort of, I mean, there's still an active village when you go in, there's actually a few people that live on the island still.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_07]: And I think some Airbnbs that you can rent and stay there at Mont Saint-Michel.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_07]: But like we walked in and you're just walking up these like cobblestone streets and we could buy a crepe.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And do you walk across, you know how the like tide comes in and you can't go in at a certain time.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Did you walk across that area?

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_07]: So there's a bridge now that goes across.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, and so there's actually like a lot of history behind building that bridge.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_07]: Cause I think when they first did it, there wasn't like the appropriate water flow around things.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_07]: And so there's been iterations over the years, but, um, yeah, we just walked up to the island.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_07]: It was really cool.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_07]: Just sort of the approach to it, even like I have so many pictures of it far away and I feel like the show did an excellent, uh, job of showcasing all the beautiful views of Mont Saint-Michel.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_10]: Can I ask a really dumb question?

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_10]: So I've never been, so I, I, yeah, it sounds amazing.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_10]: Is everything within the walls?

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_10]: So like when you get the bridge over, um, is it as like isolated as it seems in the show?

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, is everything really, Oh, that's so cool.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_07]: It is.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, you know, I was there with my boss who knows me very well.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_07]: We're good friends, but I still couldn't be the 12 year old that I really wanted to be there because I mean, even so, like I said, you just can sort of free walk around most of the village and sort of out onto, I don't know all the proper terms, but like the outer edge of that wall coming up and sort of look over and the, the tide will rise up, you know, and cover the little bit of beach there that you can see.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, and there's all, I mean, you can see them in the show too.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_07]: There's just all these cool little like cut out notches in the walls with little windows.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm assuming like, I don't know if at some point in history, people had guns or like, uh, you know, we're shooting arrows out of them, but it felt like little like defense places.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_07]: And so I wanted to literally go like crawl into every single one of those and look through.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, yeah, but then you can go up all the way up to the top to the Abbey and you can just walk through or you can do like different types of audio tours or guided tours.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Because our one friend couldn't go all the way up to the top, we didn't do a guided tour so we could go a little bit more quickly through.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_07]: And so I do really regret that.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Like I would have loved to understand more of the history of all the different rooms.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Next to that head vacation.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, seriously.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I would go back.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_07]: It was just really, really amazing.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_07]: And we stayed in a little town just, um, inland from it.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_07]: And so you could still see it from the town.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_07]: And it felt again, even that town felt like traveling back to another world.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_07]: Like it was just quintessential French countryside, um, that you would expect.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_07]: But then like you go inside the building and it's been redone as an Airbnb, which is kind of interesting.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_07]: But yeah, I mean, it was amazing.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Like it's crazy.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_07]: It's been there since the late seven hundreds is when they started building the Abbey there.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_07]: And that's just wild to me.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_10]: It's incredible.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_07]: And such a neat defense mechanism.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_07]: And I think the perfect use of it as the nest in the show, because it's so defensible.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Did you, um, see any particular areas that you recognized from the Daryl show?

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Or I would guess not like, it's just castle, you know?

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, you know, like the streets are just so, I mean, I think that that was cool to

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_07]: me walking through the streets in real life.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_07]: And so seeing them sort of go into those streets with like, I mean, there's just still all this

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_07]: architecture, like, like the drawbridges and things are still like the stuff around it.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, you feel like you're in a, in a castle town.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, and so seeing that in the show, like, I don't know that I was like, oh, that's the

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_07]: exact place I was standing, but it felt really exciting to see it, um, on the screen and known

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_07]: that I've stood there.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I bet you walk through places where they filmed.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_07]: I think definitely.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_10]: Had they given in at all to any tourism about it?

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_10]: Were there any mentions of the show in the town or were they keeping it?

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_10]: Cause I mean, it gets so many tourists anyway, I'm imagining they don't need the Daryl

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_10]: Dixon at all, but I just wondered if there were any nods.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, I'm honestly surprised because there's so many like little gift shops all the way

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_07]: up that I didn't see any like walking dead paraphernalia in any of the stores.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_07]: And you'd think like they would have at least like things that had been filmed there that

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_07]: they would, you know, incorporate it.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_07]: But I think it's what you said.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Like it's has such a claim to fame already.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_07]: They don't need.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I would guess if there's anywhere where they'd be like, no, we're not having that.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_03]: It would be France.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm amazed.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm genuinely amazed that they got so much filming permission.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_10]: But then I saw like, um, I think Macron or somebody was saying that like, they want to

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_10]: keep Emily in Paris filming in France as well.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_10]: So I think there's a lot of incentives at the moment to film in France.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_10]: Um, it always makes me laugh though, when you go somewhere on holiday or whatever, and

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_10]: there's like, you're in like a janky local restaurant and there's like pictures of the

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_10]: famous people that have eaten.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_03]: But I, I seriously, I feel like they might think that cheapens the place to put that

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_03]: there, you know, I don't know, but you're making me think of, um, you know, Sonoy, which

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_03]: is where, uh, Woodbury is.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, a lot of different walking dead filming locations and that city just got economically

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_03]: revitalized because of walking dead tourism with all the shops and everything.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And now, um, Alexandria, you know, those are real houses.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of them, most of them.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And, um, the Rick Grimes house just sold just a couple of days ago.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Cindy told me.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So somebody is living in Rick Grimes house.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_10]: I am.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_10]: I remember when we went to, um, Dubrovnik in Croatia, they were still riding high on

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_10]: the game of Thrones tourism and like good for them.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_10]: It had like revitalized the city.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_10]: Everyone had anecdotes about the cast and stuff.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_10]: I feel like the weirdest one I ever saw was like in a tiny hill village in Italy.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_10]: There was a restaurant and there was a picture of the owner of the restaurant with a celebrity

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_10]: and it happened to be Mads Mikkelsen, but it was at the height of Hannibal.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_10]: And I was like, do you want people to know that Hannibal ate at your restaurant?

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, does that not give a weird message about food?

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_03]: We made him a special dish.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, we made a special local meat dish.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm like, ah.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, did you speak any French at all or did you learn any?

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_07]: So I took French in high school, um, but then I took Spanish in college.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_07]: And so I speak a really poor version of mixed French and Spanish.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Jenny does the same.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_03]: She's always mixing in her Spanish and her French.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_07]: I feel like, you know, I could easily read menus and usually figure out what signs were

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_07]: about ish.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Did you say merci a lot?

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_07]: I felt very embarrassed to speak it because I knew I was speaking it poorly.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, so the few times that I attempted, like immediately the person would switch to English

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_07]: out of kindness because I was obviously struggling.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_07]: But I think they appreciate it when you try.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_10]: That there seems to have been a big shift in France in the last few times I've been there

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_10]: that like, it used to be quite hard to get by, you know, there was a lot of hostility

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_10]: to not speaking French.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_10]: Whereas now I think people are much more like if you try a little bit, right?

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_03]: That was my experience.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I was going there ready for everyone to be rude.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And only one person was rude.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone else was nice.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_07]: And it was me.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Very, very nice.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, the first person I talked to, I was like, it was this, uh, young woman working

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_03]: in at the train station.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And I went up to her and said, which is where's the subway?

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And she just kind of rolled her eyes and pointed down.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And I thought, well, I guess this is what France is going to be.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I've always heard.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But then everyone else was like super nice.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, um, that's great.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Are there any other highlights you want to point out before we go into the episode?

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to miss anything.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't think so.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_07]: I think that was it.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I would definitely encourage people if you're going to be in France to add that

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_07]: to your list of must-see things.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_07]: It was my favorite thing that I saw while I was there.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_10]: So that's cool.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_10]: Where else did you go in Europe?

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_10]: So gorgeous.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, I stayed in France the whole time.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_07]: So we went back to Paris.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_07]: We went to Versailles.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, the lady that was with us peed in the garden of Versailles.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my gosh.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_06]: She felt really bad.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_06]: That's like my favorite part of the story.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So American.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Come on.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_06]: No, she's, it was from the UK.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just kidding.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, yeah.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_10]: It might be.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_06]: It might be pretty sure.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_06]: But like people pee everywhere there.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_07]: It was, I saw a lot of people peeing because I guess went in France.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, yeah.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_07]: That's hilarious.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_06]: It happens.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_06]: It happens.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_06]: All right.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_03]: It's amazing.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's get into, uh, this week's episode, Walking Dead, Daryl Dixon, season two, episode

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_03]: five, vouloir, c'est pouvoir.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Which the literal translation is to want is to be able, but it's, uh, it's a well-known

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_03]: French saying that basically means where there's a will, there's a way.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So Veronica, guest of honor.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_03]: What did you think of this one?

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_03]: How did you listen to our last episode and how much we loved last week?

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_07]: I did.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_07]: I heard, you know, you really brought me around.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, no, I, so I will not poo poo on the show too much.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_07]: I, it's still in the Walking Dead universe.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm still obviously watching it and curious to see what happens to our characters, but

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_07]: I have not been the biggest fan overall of the show.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_07]: I think for me, the saving grace has been, um, the location, the set design and the costumes

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_07]: and just like how beautiful it is.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_07]: But I didn't like love season one.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_07]: I expected to, like, I really thought this was going to be the spinoff show for me.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, and I just didn't love it.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't love another, like, protect the child narrative.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_07]: And I have a big problem with, like, the variant stuff that they're doing.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, I know it's already a zombie show.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_07]: I need to let, like, the science of it all go.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_07]: But, like, I just, it really bothered me.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_07]: It was just too far over the line for me that they're doing these, like, injections

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_07]: and, like, in a second they turn to these monsters.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_09]: Mm-hmm.

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Mm-hmm.

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, and season two I've had, I think, a lot of the same problems that you guys have, you

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_07]: know, sort of brought up last episode.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_07]: And so this episode I still had some of those same sort of gripes.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, but again, like, I'm still watching.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_07]: There's still things I'm enjoying.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_07]: I still want to know what happens.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_07]: So I don't, like, hate it.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_07]: But I'm, it's hard when you love, like, the genre so much, The Walking Dead so much, and

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_07]: then have expectations and they're not, like, meeting it.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_07]: I think it makes it sort of even more difficult.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_07]: I think it's why, like, everyone loved to hate fear so bad because we wanted a show we

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_07]: could love.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_07]: So.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Also, it was just really bad.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah.

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, yeah.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, and I don't think this is anywhere near the level of fear, but it just.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_07]: No, I don't either.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't love it.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But, I mean, yeah, I could see myself letting myself feel the same way as you about the zombie

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_03]: stuff.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Because even, you know, I've said when we covered The Walking Dead, a lot of times what

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I wanted that show to be was that the zombies were the only thing that wasn't real, but the

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_03]: rest of it was how the real world would react to it.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_03]: But then when we got to the beta stuff where he was hallucinating the zombies talking to

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_03]: and when they were able to, um, direct them, the whispers, I was kind of digging that.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, this is so fun.

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And okay, I'm just going to let that go.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, this is really fun.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's kind of how I feel about this series.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the series as a whole is more heightened, a little more like, uh, farcical, zany, you

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_03]: know, madcap, um, mad scientist kind of thing.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm okay with the crazed super Zeds and, and the heightened feel of it as far as

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_03]: the zombie stuff goes, including the scene that was in this episode with the super zombie

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_03]: attacking all the other zombies around the car, which I thought was really cool.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but I had to sort of talk myself into that.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise I could be just as critical.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_07]: And I definitely agree.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Like it does make for some more interesting scenes, gets characters who don't have as

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_07]: much of a threat from zombies suddenly be threatened again.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_07]: So like zombies get boring after 12 years.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_07]: What it does for our characters in the show.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_07]: But I don't know.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_07]: I just, every time I'm like, oh, they're doing it again.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_03]: What about you, Lucy?

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_03]: What'd you think of this one?

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_10]: I didn't hate it as much as last week.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know that it's fully redeemed itself.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_10]: Um, I found it more.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_10]: I think my big problem with last week was feeling like it was an episode of two halves and this,

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_10]: this feels very like, um, it felt like a cohesive story, this episode, which I think was good.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_10]: Um, I just finished my secondary watch with Peter and he came up with a theory at the end where I was

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_10]: like, oh, maybe that's right.

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_10]: So yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm kind of rethinking what's going on at the moment in light of that.

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_10]: Do you want to tell us what it was?

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_10]: No.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just really fascinating.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_10]: No, it was so amazing.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_10]: It was really cool.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_10]: No, he just, at the end of the episode, he's like, oh, well, that's, um, Ash and Laurent flying back to the Commonwealth

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_10]: and leaving Carol and Daryl behind for season three.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, interesting.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_10]: And I was like, oh.

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe, yeah.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_10]: I guess that would.

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know though.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So I, cause the whole thing is Daryl like wanting to be with Laurent and Laurent's seems

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_03]: okay to stay there.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But the thing that got him to go is that he gets to be with Daryl, you know?

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's why I'm not so sure I believe in that theory, but maybe, but, uh, I loved it.

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was a great episode and I'm so relieved and, uh, I, it feels like season one

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Daryl showed to me.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And so that sort of has me looking back.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I actually really did like the first and second episode of this season a lot to the whole Carol

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_03]: focused first episode.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And then the Greenland episode I liked.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And so really it was just, um, three and four last week.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And the one before that, that I just were such a notch, a couple notches below that.

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh, it's going the wrong way.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_03]: But now this one picked right back up.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_03]: It's, I thought it was, had all the charming things that I love about this series.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm like, okay, so far there have been, what, we're on number five.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's 11 episodes total of this series.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And I haven't liked two, but I've liked nine.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So if next week is just as good as this one, then I'll be satisfied.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_10]: That's good.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was good.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_03]: There were some really great moments.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And anyway, we'll get into it.

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[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_03]: So, Veronica, do you want to go first?

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_07]: I'll start on a positive.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_07]: Something that I did really like is the interactions with, is it Kadron and Laurent?

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_07]: I found myself honestly feeling like I would watch a show about these two.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, I really liked them.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_10]: I was like, Kadron spinoff.

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_10]: Kadron and Laurent.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_10]: What are they going to do?

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_10]: Let's send them on a road trip.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, yeah, I'm with you on that.

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_07]: I really liked it.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_07]: I thought they had good, like, on screen, like, back and forth.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_07]: And even I was sort of noticing in that that Laurent has really grown on me this season.

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, he still has moments where he's a little, like, whiny and acts...

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_07]: He switches between kind of being, like, whiny and immature and being this, like, very precocious, deeply thoughtful child.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_07]: And so I feel like he's starting to swing less and less away from, like, or goes less and less into that whiny dialogue.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_07]: And so I've liked him this season.

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_07]: And I really loved sort of him interacting with Kadron.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_07]: And they've got Kadron down on his knees.

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_07]: And Laurent, again, comes in as the Jesus figure and is like, no, I forgive him.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_07]: I met him on the road and he saved me.

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_07]: And it felt very...

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_07]: I was just talking about this in a different context today.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_07]: So I don't know if that's why it popped in my head.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_07]: But Kadron and this change of heart really sort of reminded me a bit of the story of, like, is it Saul and Paul in the Bible?

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_07]: And he has a change of heart when he sees the light of God on the road.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_07]: And it was sort of like, Kadron has had this major change of heart after encountering Laurent on the road.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_07]: And Laurent is now offering him forgiveness as he goes down this new path.

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_07]: And so I know this show has really hit a lot on trying to, like, reference religious themes.

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_07]: And I don't know if I'm just seeing that because it was on my mind.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_07]: And I loved the conversation they had.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_07]: And I loved what Laurent ended it with.

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_07]: And so they said, anger makes you do terrible things.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_07]: And Laurent countered with fear also makes you do terrible things, which is really true.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_07]: And then Kadron went into his sort of heartfelt apology.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_07]: And I loved that Laurent ended the conversation by reminding Kadron that it's not just, you know, my forgiveness or God's forgiveness, but you need to forgive yourself.

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_07]: And I thought that was a really beautiful way to end it.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_10]: I like that a lot.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_07]: And then just the rest of the episode, Kadron, like, protecting Laurent.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_07]: I really wanted to see him take somebody out with that shovel.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_07]: And I loved, you know, him sneaking him out of there.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_07]: So just, yeah, that's one of the things I did appreciate a lot.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_10]: I want Kadron and Anna to just live in the Demi-Mon together and have nice times.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_10]: That's my dream.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_10]: I don't think it will happen, but I think it would be nice.

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_10]: She seems fun.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why he is other than he started off as a total asshole and now he's, like, very guilty, repentant and helpful.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know if he's the type to hang out in nightclubs, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_10]: Maybe he is now.

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_10]: Maybe he is now.

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_10]: Who's to say?

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_10]: He saved Laurent.

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_10]: He did the thing.

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_10]: He's a good looking dude.

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_03]: He could become one of the dancers.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_10]: I was thinking that.

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_10]: He's got moves.

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I love that scene.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I loved, yeah, I liked his look with that kind of ratty bandage over one eye.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the look of the show has always been great.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And I love Laurent speaking up for him.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, for people who don't remember, there was that scene last season where he and his guys were going to kill Daryl.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Or no, they were Janae's people and they wanted him to kill all of them, including Laurent.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think we've now figured out the reason why he balked at that is because he didn't want to kill a child.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And that moment, now it's even more clear, really turned everything around for him that what Laurent said made such an impact on him.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And I just, I liked their conversation, starting off with Laurent telling him that strawberries are rich in vitamin C and prevent scurvy.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And most people don't know you can get on land.

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, Laurent never changes.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's there with the facts.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But then he asked him.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_03]: He's a precocious child and he's smart.

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And he asked if he's eaten bananas.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Codron said yes, a lot of them.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And how do they taste?

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Sweet.

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's been so long.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Just that little chit chat is a nice little character moment showing that Laurent has lots of knowledge, but little experience.

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And Codron has experience, you know.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And then Laurent immediately, why do you want to kill Daryl?

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, okay, chit chat's over.

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And then Codron said he killed my brother.

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And I wonder if he'll ever find out.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_03]: That's not actually true.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_03]: But actually, it's kind of more poignant that he's had this change of heart thinking it is true.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Because he thinks he's forgiving Daryl for that, basically.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And that whole thing that you said, Veronica, about I was angry and asking about whether his brother was a good man or a bad man.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And Codron says no, he was afraid.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_03]: He was a bad man.

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_03]: But from Codron's point of view, no, which is also accurate.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, he was just afraid and fear makes you do terrible things.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_03]: That's so wise.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And I love this wise Laurent.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I buy it.

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the kid, the actor is so good at portraying it in a believable way.

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_03]: And you're right.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, sometimes he seems whiny and childlike and other times wise.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's easy to believe that a kid could be that way.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, sometimes kids say things that just like, oh, yeah, you see things in a way that's true.

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Because we have all of our experiences that cloud sometimes the truth that kids don't have.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But other times, I mean, you call it whiny.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But I just think, you know, kids can be afraid because it's a scary fucking place.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And I thought that whole scene felt kind of like a little French movie.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe a bit on the nose, but philosophical, you know.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I liked it.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_10]: I quite liked Laurent this episode.

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_10]: I felt quite sorry for him.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know that Daryl handled him the best in this episode.

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, I'm actually genuinely like, is it the best thing for this kid to move to America?

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_10]: I know.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, it's a huge move.

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_10]: Huge move.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_10]: And I'm not saying it's right for Daryl to stay in France either.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_10]: But I'm just sort of like, it's just, I could tell that the stakes are so high for Daryl.

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_10]: And I don't hold that against him.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_10]: And he wasn't exactly like, you know, punching him in the face and saying, Laurent, you stupid shit, get on the plane.

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_10]: But like, I was a bit like, I think it's okay that this kid is not certain about this.

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, I think there's a lot of pressure to put on him.

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, he's just suffered a lot of loss.

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_10]: And I'd never really thought what you were saying about knowledge and lack of experience.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_10]: And Laurent's almost like, one of the things I learned a lot about when I was studying was sort of the education of royalty in the Middle Ages and the early modern period.

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_10]: And thinking about the education of like James VI and I, who, I don't know, he would have had a really rich education that wasn't just, you know, how to read and write.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_10]: It would have been stuff like philosophy and religious doctrine.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_10]: And I mean, for James VI and I, it didn't end up so well because he ended up kind of crazy.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like we all get all this education of stuff that we don't end up using.

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_10]: I think so.

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_10]: But I think for Laurent in particular, it's kind of like a Renaissance education.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, he's getting everything because they believe that he's the Messiah and he's going to, you know, he's probably able to hold his own in theological debates that we couldn't handle as adults.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_10]: And I guess it does make him a little odd and a little strange and a little prone to info dumping.

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_10]: I definitely find him less annoying this season, but I am also feeling incredibly sorry for him.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_10]: And I just, yeah, there's a lot of pressure there.

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, I just got a bit of a sore stomach sitting thinking about like leaving everything you've ever known to go to an entirely new country with somebody you've known for less than a year.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_10]: And everyone around you dying and telling you that you're special and that they're dying for you and things like that.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_10]: It's a horrible situation to be in.

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_10]: And I just sort of want him to like have fun and learn to ride a bike.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_10]: Maybe in France might be nicer.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the whole thing with Daryl being so excited to be with Laurent, like he's telling Carol, you know, we're going to get him and bring him home.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And then he approaches Laurent with it.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And right after he tells him that Isabel died, you know, which they had off screen, which I actually thought was kind of a good thing.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_03]: And we just see sort of them in the aftermath of that.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's looking at his picture of his mom and saying they're together now and everything.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And then Daryl's like, you can come back with me.

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, no, I think you should go because that's where you belong.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel at peace here and I'm happy here.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And I just felt like that's a mature conversation.

[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And I can identify with Daryl in that situation where you're kind of excited about something.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_03]: But then when you go to do it, you realize, oh, this isn't the right thing.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I was excited, but I have to back off because it's not the right thing.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_03]: So I thought that's kind of what it felt like, you know.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And then but then Daryl's like, no, no, you do want to come.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Why don't you want to come?

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_03]: You do.

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And it turned out it was a typical Walking Dead thing that it was that Laurent thought, oh, all the adults around me die because of me, which from a certain point of view is kind of true because they're all protecting him.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, it just felt like, OK, that changes it from just Laurent's happy here to Laurent's trying to protect Daryl, which felt more like a Walking Dead thing, which is fine.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_03]: But then Daryl's like, hey, no, you got to just let go of your fear and come with me, basically.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's sort of like, what?

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_03]: No, he has a you're going in a plane across the Atlantic.

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_03]: You're with Carol, who doesn't have a great track record with kids.

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I thought if Laurent actually does have some kind of a curse where adults around him die and Carol has the curse where kids around her die, then their curses are going to have to battle it out to see which one's the strongest, you know.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_03]: But I felt the same way, like maybe you should just leave him here.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, maybe he's better off here.

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm like imagining them in the car.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_10]: Laurent's like, you know, so what's it going to be like in Daryl's?

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, actually, yeah, on that note, don't be alone with Carol.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_10]: If you're with Carol, make sure I'm there.

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And if you see any flowers, just ignore them.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_10]: On that note, a couple of things about Carol you should know.

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_10]: So if you have the flu, don't tell her.

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_03]: If she wants to tell you a bedtime story, just say no.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_10]: Just say no.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_10]: No cookies until Laurent's like, I don't like this.

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_03]: When they first met and it was kind of a sweet meeting, you know, I've heard about you.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And Ezekiel and RJ, which is really cool to hear him say all those names.

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_03]: But I was like, Carol, at this point, you would think she might just be like, hey, you better stay away from me, kid.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't hang out with kids anymore, right?

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Poor Carol.

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_08]: It would have been better if he was listing off.

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, I heard about Sophia and Lizzie and Henry.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And Mika and Sam.

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_04]: What's Carol been telling you?

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_04]: He said, stay away.

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_10]: He said you were very evil with children.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_10]: And she's like, what?

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_04]: He didn't think.

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, hey, I didn't think you were going to show up.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know you were coming back.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_10]: You're too much.

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_03]: All right.

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Lucy, what's your first point?

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_10]: Okay.

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_10]: I had a couple of things that I thought needed a bit more explanation slash what the fuck just happened moments.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_10]: One of which was the absolute state of Maison-Mer.

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_10]: It's been, what, four days?

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_10]: And like, everything is desolate.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_10]: Who's killed everyone at Maison-Mer?

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_10]: Is it just been looted?

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, what's going on?

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, why would they give up protecting that place so quickly?

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_10]: But then I guess, like, at the end of World War II when Hitler was in the bunker and didn't come out, everything kind of went to shit there.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_10]: But that was with a massive invaded force.

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Janaye died.

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And then all her people immediately combined forces with Los Sengs at Mont Saint-Michel.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_03]: So I thought, okay, well, maybe they just left this place.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_03]: They left this place.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_03]: But there were all these dead bodies around.

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So it looked like some battle happened.

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, did I miss something?

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to talk about this.

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And Lucy's going to be like, don't you remember that battle, you idiot?

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_03]: But I feel the same way.

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_10]: My notes literally say, like, what the fuck happened here?

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, it was weird to me.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, it made sense that maybe it would be.

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_10]: Well, it didn't.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_10]: Actually, I'm not.

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_10]: This is like when at the end of season three, they give up Woodbury and go to the prison.

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_10]: And I'm like, but Woodbury is slightly nice.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_10]: But anyway, reasons, I guess.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_10]: This, I was just like, why would they give up Maison-Mer?

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_10]: How has it gone from being the most well-protected thing to absolute desolation covered in Zeds in the space of four days?

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_10]: So maybe we'll get some input into that.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_10]: But it did take me out of it a little bit.

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the fact that Anna, who's the one who now runs the Demi Mon, Quinn's ex-girlfriend, had some of Ash's things.

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, she probably got that from where the plane was.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, she had the Mona Lisa, which was Maison, what do you call it?

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Maison-Mer.

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_10]: Maison-Mer.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Either they picked that place over after the battle happened, or I don't think she has a big force that it was her people that killed them all.

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I feel like it was one of those things where if you didn't think about it too much, you're just like, oh, okay.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_10]: But then on my secondary watch, I was like, why is it like this?

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_10]: I don't understand.

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_10]: And I didn't get the first time I watched it, but I think I understand it more now.

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_10]: And I think I'm setting you up for a point, Jason, is what the fuck Daryl was doing shooting two of the zombies with the serum?

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_10]: So do zombies kill other zombies now?

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_10]: Because to me, it sounded like they all exploded.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, here's what happens is the super Zeds we've seen when Carol was leading them all into Mont Saint-Michel, they were not attacking each other.

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_03]: But the super Zeds do attack lesser Zeds because they are snobbish and they don't like the lesser, weaker Zeds.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I was wondering that myself, but I thought it was a cool scene, though, even though it was ridiculous.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_10]: It was very cool, but it is the, it was the explosions.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_10]: It sounded like explosions.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_10]: I thought we were having another someone's turning up with a gun to save the day.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I think, no, Daryl shot them just for the, because he figured they would then attack the other zombies, which is what they did.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I thought.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And then he only had to deal with the two super Zeds.

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_10]: Right.

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I love calling them that.

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Super Zeds.

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_10]: Because, yeah, it baffled me a little bit.

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, it baffled me how they got stuck in that van to begin with.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_07]: When they have been living in the, like, ZA for this long, it's Daryl and Carol, and they just rushed into the van.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_07]: They didn't try to leave the zombies away.

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, that bothered me so much.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_07]: It was such a, like, season one mistake.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, they, I mean, the way I agree.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I agree.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_03]: They were, it was interesting when they were talking about why, why, because this episode, I think, was a lot about survivor's guilt.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And Carol, or Daryl's like, why, why do we make it this long?

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And Carol said, luck.

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And he goes, bad luck sometimes, right?

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And she's like, sometimes I don't know the difference.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's plot armor slash luck.

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, in-universe, maybe luck.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Meta-level plot armor because they're the best characters or everyone's favorite.

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, so when they jumped in that car, my way to rationalize it was, oh, well, they're just so confident that they know how to handle shit.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_03]: That they, they can put themselves in the same position that Ash is in, but know that they can handle it way better than he did.

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But then the way they did handle it was they just got lucky.

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So it was that luck Daryl was talking about that there were these darts in there.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Because even, he goes, after they got into the car, how many rounds do you have left?

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, just one.

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, oh, damn.

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_07]: And they didn't know for sure it was Ash at that point.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_07]: It could be nobody in there.

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And so, but then, you know, they improvised.

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_03]: They got very lucky and improvised a way out of that.

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, it was, it's pretty ridiculous that they would do.

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_03]: There happened to be a sunroof.

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_03]: So they definitely got lucky.

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And I thought it was kind of interesting that they got so lucky in an episode where Daryl just said the reason why they've survived so long is because of luck.

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it's silly.

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_10]: It was, it was one of those things where I was just like, it's, it didn't infuriate me, either of them, but it, it made not as much sense as I'd hoped.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_10]: And I think there was a bit of that with Cadron being alive.

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_10]: Although I did call it last time.

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_10]: I said, we didn't see him die.

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_10]: So, but I was a bit like he walked all the way from Mont Saint-Michel.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_10]: It's a little messy.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_10]: It's a little messy, but we're getting further in the story that we're interested in, which is Carol, Daryl and Laurent.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_10]: So I'm willing to forgive it.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_10]: I didn't enjoy the Demi Mond as much this time.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_10]: That was another thing where I kind of, it didn't quite sit right with me.

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_10]: I feel like it's lost a bit of its, I don't know, maybe Quinn had a better vibe.

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm not sure.

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_10]: But it was kind of fun to be back there.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_10]: Although I did laugh that they were singing like the one French song that we all know.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_10]: It's like, hey guys, do Lady Marmola.

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_10]: You're just like, sure.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad.

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I was glad the place was still going.

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think they're about to leave France next week.

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_03]: So I thought it was kind of fun to revisit.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But I agree.

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_03]: It didn't have the same magic.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel, I don't know if you guys will agree, but I feel like Carol seems a little more out of place there than Daryl.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Daryl could kind of fit in because he's got that Burning Man kind of arty look to him.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but Carol just looks like just some woman off the street wandered in or something.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_10]: Not in a sexy way.

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_10]: No, no, not that kind of woman.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And then, but I also love it, which we'll talk about more, that they had another scene in the catacombs before they left.

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_10]: Yes, I had completely forgotten that there was a shortcut there.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_10]: So yeah.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_10]: So those were my kind of primary nitpicks.

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_10]: So I'll get those out of the way now and then it's fine.

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_03]: The zombie nitpick stuff is, I think, very par for the course for this series going back to the beginning.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that's anything new, but I don't disagree with it.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_10]: The other thing I will nitpick the bejesus out of is Rubik's cubes.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_10]: I love that they've become like the tale that Laurent has been there.

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_10]: It's like, oh no, no, no.

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_10]: We saw his Rubik's cube.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm like, someone take that fucking Rubik's cube away from him because it's getting him into trouble now.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, why didn't some other kid say, that's mine?

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_10]: Wait, is it mine?

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_10]: And they're like, oh, okay.

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_10]: Solve it then.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_10]: And then three hours later, this kid's like, I don't know how to solve it.

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_09]: That's hilarious.

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, that's great.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_03]: My turn, right?

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_09]: Mm-hmm.

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Carol's Lie.

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_03]: So Carol's Lie to Ash is all about her resurfacing feelings

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_03]: and thoughts about Sophia and her survivor's guilt and everything around that.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So I kind of like the way it ties in with just her arc for this series so far,

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_03]: even though I've been a little bit skeptical that she would have this arc 12 years later.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But it's not totally unbelievable.

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So on their way to talk to Ash, Daryl's just assuming that Ash knew Carol was looking for Daryl.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And she doesn't immediately correct that notion, of course, when Daryl mentions it.

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But she's trying to get him to hang back.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_03]: You wait here.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, no, I'm going in.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And I thought that was funny.

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And so she's like, okay, okay, look what I said to him to persuade him to do this.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I embellished the facts a little.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_03]: What, you lied?

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_03]: You could say that.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_03]: You tell him I'm your brother or something?

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_03]: No, nothing like that.

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I swear I thought she was actually going to say, can you just say your name is Ed?

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_09]: I was so hoping for that.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_09]: I thought that was coming too.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought that was coming.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_10]: I really wanted that.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_10]: I love when people have to pretend to be, oh my God.

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_10]: I was like, well, she's been Isabel.

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_10]: You can be Ed.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_10]: No, it's your turn now.

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_03]: But then I just love the way he kept saying, no, I'm coming.

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, I'm going to do the talking too.

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like pushing it.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And she's like, oh.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Then she's like scurrying to get, well, just let me get in front.

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I just thought that was so funny.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_03]: That was hilarious.

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Then Daryl asks him later, what was this lie?

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And I like that she just admitted it right away.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I told him I'm looking for my daughter.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know where it came from.

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_03]: I was just searching for a reason, thinking about you, all the loss we've been through.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, maybe I do know where it came from.

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_03]: And then at Falu's place, she sees the back of a kid that kind of looks like Sophia and has a little episode.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And then later when Daryl's telling Carol he thinks Laurent doesn't want to go to America with him because he didn't protect Isabel.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And Carol identifies, you know, oh, yeah, you're replaying every decision, thinking could have done things differently.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's that survivor's guilt that they have in common.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And then that's when they talk about why do we get to survive because of luck.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And then Daryl just tells Carol, you should just tell Ash the truth, which he says that a lot in this series.

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_03]: He would say it to Isabel last season when she would tell things to Laurent that weren't true.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_03]: You should just tell him the truth.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, he was critical.

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Even in this episode when they're like, what are you going to tell Laurent about Isabel?

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_03]: He said, I'm going to tell him the truth.

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_10]: At the risk of opening myself up to someone shouting at the podcast, for God's sake, Lucy, you've missed something really obvious.

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_10]: Have we ever seen Daryl commit to a big lie?

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_10]: Or lie?

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_10]: He's pretty honest, right?

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_10]: I feel like he's very straightforward and honest.

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, like genuine question.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm not trying to poke holes in what you're saying at all, Jason.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm just thinking, have we ever seen him have to be deceitful?

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_03]: There was that time he pretended to be in love with Leah.

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm just kidding.

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, yeah.

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_10]: That time.

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_10]: Dickhead.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Just kidding.

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_10]: He like led Rick to the hole.

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_10]: He did lead Rick to the hole and they had a fight in the hole.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_10]: I forgot about that.

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_03]: What was that?

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Because Maggie was going to go kill Negan and so he was getting Rick out of the way.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Rick's last episode.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_07]: That's probably the only time I can think of him being deceitful.

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But he's almost all, yeah, he's just straightforward.

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_07]: And then he came straightforward by the time they got to the hole and said what he was doing.

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_03]: He just couldn't give it up.

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm taking you to this hole.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, so he tells Daryl, you should just tell the truth.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Turns out maybe that didn't turn out so well because Ash is so pissed.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know.

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I tend to agree with Daryl that even though sometimes the truth might hurt for a moment, you know, for a little while, that it's probably better in the long run.

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Get past that shitty moment.

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_03]: And once everyone has time to let it sink in, then you're on better ground with everyone.

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, Daryl says, why didn't you lie about something else?

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And she says it had to be convincing and I made up something I wish were true.

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And he lost a son, meaning Ash lost a son.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I love where Daryl goes, okay, got it.

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_03]: We don't need to talk about this anymore.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_03]: He pats her on the knee.

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And I just love how he's a man of few words.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But that pat just said a lot like, okay, I get it.

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope you're okay.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's move on.

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_10]: He also doesn't, he doesn't give her shit.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_10]: Like he can see he's feeling bad about it.

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_10]: He's supportive.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And even though it can easily, because they are so different in that way where he's so straightforward and she's so duplicitous and manipulative.

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of the times I could see him not respecting her or liking that about her, but he just loves her so much that he just lets it go.

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_10]: She can't do that with him, though.

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_10]: She's very rarely deceptive.

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_10]: Like that's an interesting element of their relationship.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_10]: Is she's really either doesn't have the guts, but I just don't think she can with him.

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_10]: I think he knows her too well.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_03]: She kind of tried a little bit here, you know.

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I just let me go talk to him.

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, what's going on here?

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_03]: What the fuck?

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Ed?

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Husband?

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Ed?

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So then when she goes to tell Ash the truth, but he tells her that his trip helped him get past all this guilt that he's been carrying.

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, thank you, Carol.

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you.

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And she's almost crying.

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And then she does tell him the truth that Sophia has been dead for 12 years and she's there looking for Daryl.

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I really liked his response.

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Fuck you.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, even though he had just said, I'm glad we did this.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It just turns everything on its head.

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And he was already pissed early this season when he felt she was only manipulating him to try to get his plane.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And when he says, it's not just that you lied, it's the lie itself.

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you're using your dead daughter to manipulate me.

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_03]: What kind of person does that?

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_03]: This is kind of like what a lot of us were saying back in episode one when Carol was doing that.

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, Ash should come on to the podcast and he could be a guest host with us.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_10]: I think I was relieved.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_10]: I find the dialogue in that scene was quite.

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_10]: Maybe it's just because you and I have been talking about it for the last four weeks.

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm like, yeah, yeah.

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_10]: Okay.

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_10]: We know.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_10]: We know.

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_10]: You don't have to say it all again.

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_10]: But I was like, for Ash, this is new information.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_10]: So maybe he does.

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_10]: But what I liked about it was I thought we were going to get a really big cheap out when he's like, this was like an adventure for me, too.

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_10]: And he was going to be like, never mind.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_10]: I got to see the stars or something.

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_10]: And instead he was like, fuck you.

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_10]: And I was like, oh, yeah, that feels more normal and human than like, I guess the friends for the journey we had along the way or something like that.

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he may come around to that because he kind of did before with her.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_03]: He was mad at her for manipulating him.

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But then the next day he drives up in his truck.

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's go.

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_03]: You know.

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, it's going to be Laurent that gets him.

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe.

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_10]: Because he'll be about the same age as his kid would have been.

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_10]: And, you know.

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the last part of the point is when that I'm making here, when Daryl comes in with Laurent.

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_03]: How's everything going?

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Carol's like, oh, not so good.

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And then Ash comes in and Laurent's like, hi, you.

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I've never been in a plane before.

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Let me shake your hand.

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_03]: And Ash is like, oh, God.

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_03]: But then he says, you know, this plane will never get off the ground with all four of us.

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And then Daryl's like, oh, you can stay here, Laurent.

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm just kidding.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's what I said.

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_10]: I was like, oh, well.

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, well, we try.

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_10]: That's a series wrap on Laurent.

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_10]: Series wrap on Laurent.

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_10]: Everyone, range of applause.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_03]: So I was thinking about because like the plane does have room for four.

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_03]: You can see looking in it.

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was in a plane that I think is pretty close to this.

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_03]: My friend Dan got his pilot's license when he was 16.

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And he flew me and my friend Rich to Arizona from California, 16 years old, can fly.

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was in the back and there was definitely room for more people.

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think at least for four.

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_03]: But maybe either Ash is lying or they have to take extra fuel, which adds weight.

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And you don't want to take that across the Atlantic.

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_03]: That's how maybe he's telling the truth.

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_03]: But I do think like, okay, if the plane can't fly with the four of them, then how did Ash

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_03]: expect to carry Carol, Sophia, Ed and him?

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Plot hole.

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_10]: Well, that or he was like, oh, yeah, no, she was dead.

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, we were never going to find her.

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_10]: There was no chance.

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_10]: We were never going to find her, by the way.

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, okay, cool.

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I did wonder about that, to be honest.

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_10]: But yeah.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_07]: It didn't feel consistent.

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_07]: I just was so angry at Carol by the end of that whole thing.

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_07]: Because like, not only was it shitty that she did that to begin with, but then I hated

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_07]: her apology where she still tried to play the victim.

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, no, you chose this story because you knew he lost a child.

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, you don't get to, like, she even said it's not an excuse, it's an explanation.

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_07]: But she was still trying to be, like, the victim in it all.

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_07]: And I didn't like that.

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, it felt like, it felt similar to how she acted in the main series after Connie in

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_07]: the caves.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, she was somewhat apologizing, somewhat trying to accept responsibility, but at the

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_07]: same time being like, but feel sorry for me and forgive me because you feel sorry.

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_07]: I just don't like it.

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't like how she plays the victim instead of just owning the mistakes.

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_07]: And I'm not saying, like, she's going to struggle with Sophia forever.

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, I'm not saying that that's not valid and that she didn't really feel those things

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_07]: or have that struggle and that it's not playing into this situation.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_07]: But it just felt really disrespectful of Ash and his emotions when she approached it that

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_07]: way.

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_07]: And I didn't like it.

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_10]: Couldn't agree more.

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think she, when Ash is laying into her, I don't get any sense of her being like,

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_03]: no, I don't deserve this.

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I think she's like, yeah, I deserve this.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_03]: But she was still kind of whiny about it.

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, can't you forgive me?

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I was desperate.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_10]: I did feel bad for her when she flinched when he started throwing things because I was like,

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_10]: oh, yeah, there's some stuff that you don't ever properly shake.

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_03]: That's good acting, though.

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_03]: To bring that in.

[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_10]: 100%.

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_10]: And I think this is one of the shittiest things Carol's done in terms of, I mean, okay,

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_10]: killing.

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_10]: Okay, let's not go into that list.

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_10]: But it's pretty shitty.

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, maybe it's the least shitty, but still, it's bad.

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_08]: I think it's consistent, but it's like, is she never, are we always going to rehash the

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_08]: exact same character flaw with her?

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, is she never going to make progress?

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Because to me, this just feels like-

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_04]: What is this, real life?

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_07]: We're going back into the-

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_07]: I know.

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_07]: I guess that is realistic.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Ugh.

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, I've lost a child and I think it bugs me because I feel like I should identify

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_07]: more with Carol's character, but I just, like, she just makes me angry too often.

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_07]: And I don't like-

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't like the way that she was using that loss to sort of soften the impact of her bad

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_07]: behavior.

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't like it, especially because she was manipulating someone else that had that same

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_07]: loss.

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_07]: And so I think it-

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_07]: I probably am, like, more-

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_07]: You're probably more critical than-

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Angry about it because of-

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_03]: The average person would be, right?

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, but, like, for damn good reason because, yeah.

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_10]: No, I don't think you need to feel-

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_10]: I don't think you need to question yourself on that.

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_10]: I think that's super valid.

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_03]: You have some insight on this whole thing, so.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And I agree with you.

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's-

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's-

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's a bad story element, but I think it's-

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like it.

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_03]: If I was in the world, I would be like, you're fucked, lady.

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_07]: And I am glad that she told him before, like, flying back across the ocean and then confessing,

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_07]: but-

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_07]: I just-

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_07]: I left angry at her.

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_04]: She should go back to Daryl.

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Damn you, Daryl!

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_10]: Why did you tell me that?

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_10]: Why did I do that?

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_10]: I can get people to do what I want.

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Let me be myself, all right?

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_10]: Stop judging me!

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a liar, okay?

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Accept it.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_03]: All right.

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Veronica, what you got next?

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_07]: I am ready to lay into Lose-ing.

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_07]: Lose-ing?

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_07]: Let's do it.

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_10]: Yes.

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, this is just a continuation, sort of what you guys have already talked about last week,

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_07]: but I don't believe him in this villain role.

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, I can't take him seriously at all.

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_07]: I wish he had died last episode and we had kept J'Nae, because I think she's a more interesting

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_07]: character and a more believable threat than he is.

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_07]: How did he storm into their camp so easily?

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_07]: Did they not have anyone set up?

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Do they not have weapons suddenly?

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Just a big open door, apparently.

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_07]: He didn't seem to have that large of, like, a crew with him.

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_08]: And then, like, they stopped him by clapping?

[00:54:00] Yeah.

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, all we saw is it ended with clapping, and then the next thing we know, they also

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_07]: let him leave, knowing he's hellbent on finding Laurent and killing him.

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_07]: Mm-hmm.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_07]: Mm-hmm.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_07]: That all, like, just, like, really, really bothered me.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, I did love, like, he had his little speech going on where he's just, like, sort of ranting

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_07]: at everybody.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_07]: And they did the nice little overlay where you also see Daryl and Carol, like, killing

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_07]: Zeds at the same time.

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_07]: So it's this inspiring speech.

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_07]: But he gets done, and Falou immediately calls him on his BS.

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_07]: So some of the things that you guys were calling him out for of, like, his criticism of Daryl

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_07]: calling him apostate Dixon and stuff.

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_07]: And Falou is like, what are you talking about?

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, Daryl's done nothing but tried to save this child's life.

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, he obviously does have, like, a moral code and ethics he's adhering to.

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_03]: He said Daryl doesn't, like, or he's only cares about himself, basically.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, everything he's doing is for other people.

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_10]: He walks the walk.

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_10]: Or talk walks the talk.

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_10]: I can't remember how they phrased it.

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_10]: But yes.

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_07]: And then Falou also called him on the BS of basically saying, like, we need to prove it

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_07]: so you can have faith or whatever, which is, like, somewhat antithetical.

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_07]: Again, like, I'm a scientist, so I'm for the, like, proof side of things.

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_07]: But.

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Not when you're going to put a kid's life in danger to do it.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_08]: And here is my biggest, like, WTF moment.

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Why do we still need to kill Laurent?

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Because if Janae has scientists that can develop this stuff to make our crazy zombies,

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_07]: could we start with, like, a blood sample maybe from Laurent?

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_07]: Let the scientists look at it.

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, we suddenly have these resources.

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, do we have to jump straight to, like, trial by zombie bite?

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, yeah.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Why would we go that far?

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Why not, like, do a middle step first?

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_07]: So that really bothered me.

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_07]: And I know it's supposed to be because Lo's saying actually doesn't care about

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_07]: the cure he cares about controlling these people, right?

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, that's why it was so devastating to him when they all started clapping because

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_07]: he knew he'd lost control, not that he's lost Laurent.

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he said something about, like,

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_03]: the children are going to live in fear of the dead forever.

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think mainly, and I don't know, there's some missing part of his logic here, but he said

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_03]: multiple times, at least twice, that he thinks Laurent will somehow enable everyone to be immune

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_03]: from zombie bites.

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_03]: And so that's why it's so Laurent is so important to him.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_03]: It's some leap of faith that makes him think that.

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't understand, like, even if he could prove that Laurent is immune, which I agree

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_03]: with you, that will help him get control.

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand how that then leads him to maybe he thinks Laurent will share his power

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_03]: with everyone else or something.

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_03]: But at least that's what he says.

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_03]: He said more than once that he thinks Laurent is the key to immunity for everyone.

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, it's also a risk for Lowe's thing because if Laurent is not, if Laurent's alive,

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_07]: he can continue his cult mentality of just believe.

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_07]: But if Laurent, like, if he lives after the zombie bite, sure, now you've got things cemented,

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_07]: people will definitely follow you.

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_07]: But if he dies, like, you've completely lost all your cards.

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_07]: That's what he said.

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_03]: He was like that whole, like...

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_07]: Why?

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I know he said he would die.

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_07]: It doesn't feel consistent with how he's acting.

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Like, it doesn't seem like he's actually driven by this higher purpose and faith.

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_07]: It seems like a typical cult leader who sort of knows he's on some BS but is tricking people.

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't agree.

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I think he believes it.

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm with Veronica on this.

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_10]: When he said the other week, like, there would be nothing left after if it didn't work.

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm like, until it doesn't work and then you're like, ah, fuck.

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_10]: We're gonna have to go and do something else now.

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, I'm...

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_10]: I think he's crossed the line.

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_07]: I think I don't know.

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_07]: I think I don't know, Jason.

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_07]: I think that's maybe the problem is that I feel like the show has given him scenes where both things feel plausible.

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Where scenes where I think like, oh, he is really driven by his faith that this is real.

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_07]: And other scenes where I think, no, he's just driven by controlling people and he wants to be in control of everyone.

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I've...

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so my point of view on all that, and I've been trying to make sense of his character because I do feel like there's a huge shift from last season to this season.

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_03]: But from what I see this season, everything he says and does is consistent with a guy who believes that Laurent is special and the chosen one.

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And that he wants to protect all his people and they're starting to lose faith.

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And so he wants to show some proof so that they'll believe again like him.

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And as I've said before, that he can somehow use Laurent's ability to then protect them all.

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_03]: And so he feels that's what's at stake.

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And if you look at it from that point of view, there's nothing that I can see any way that he's done or said that contradicts what I just said.

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't disagree, I guess.

[00:59:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't think it's realistic for...

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Do I?

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Then again, if you look around the world, people will believe a lot of different things.

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think, you know, even with cult leaders, a lot of times they believe their own...

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_03]: They believe what they're saying, even though it's crazy, you know?

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, a lot of it is tied up in control.

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And then sometimes the control actually becomes more important than the ideals, but you still get a sense that they believe it.

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And then some of them, it seems like they don't actually believe it.

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_03]: They're totally lying and they know they're lying.

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think there's both kinds.

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And to me, it seems like he's the kind that does believe what he's saying.

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_03]: He's not bullshitting.

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_03]: He...

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I actually liked when he was in Falou's space there and he started speaking more forcefully and passionately, like a passionate preacher or something.

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I do feel like sometimes preacher types that come off like they're meek and measured can then whip themselves up into a frenzy about their ideals, you know, like that.

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So, I don't know.

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, I think he's dead, right?

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_10]: See, I think he's losing sight of it.

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I mean, he's dead now.

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_03]: He got smushed.

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_03]: He got his head smashed with like a really old skull.

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_03]: And you'd think the old skull would be a lot weaker than Lo Sang's fresh skull, but it was still kind of a cool scene.

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_10]: Especially given how smushy the zombie skulls are.

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_10]: But it's the walking dead.

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_10]: Because squishiest skull is the one that needs to be squished.

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't a zombie skull.

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a catacomb skull.

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_10]: No, no, I know that.

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_10]: But I'm seeing it's funny that the skull is so firm when when you stab a zombie head, they're usually so soft.

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Like butter.

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_07]: I felt like that was weird, too.

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Like that he posed such a legitimate physical threat to Daryl.

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_07]: Like not only was I annoyed at like, I didn't really feel like he could have stormed in the way he did.

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_07]: I also, when it was man to man, just had a hard time really believing that Daryl had that hard of a time with him, given all of Daryl's fighting experience.

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_07]: But that was smaller and great.

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_10]: No, I find that, too.

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_10]: I think it was all just for that shot of like, sitting on the flail that Daryl was using and like setting up like a Western and having Jacinta and Kadrone have a fight at the same time.

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_10]: Actually, that was another I call bullshit.

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_10]: Why would Kadrone not check she was dead?

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_10]: That really bothered me.

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_10]: I was like.

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_10]: She left her dead.

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And I guess she's the villain now, right?

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_10]: Well, she's cheaper than.

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_10]: No one left.

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_10]: Cheaper than ever.

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_06]: She's a revolving villain door.

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I liked when he showed up at the Demimon and that sexy dancer went over and threw up a bare leg to distract him.

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_10]: I know.

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_10]: I was like, we will distract you with sex.

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_10]: How very Parisian.

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_03]: And I liked the whole catacomb sequence.

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_03]: When Daryl told Laurent to stay in that little alcove, it totally reminded me of Rick with Sophia.

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Sophia.

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And we just did that podcast, me and Danielle and Renee about top Rick Grimes moments.

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And they were both saying that I'm too hard on Rick for leaving it, like being critical of him leaving Sophia there.

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think so, because my own kids, one of whom is seven years old, are way faster than me.

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_03]: And they could totally keep up.

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, not only keep up, but I don't know if I could keep up with them.

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So I would just keep Sophia by my side.

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And also, if you're going to, I mean, they were saying, if you leave Sophia there, then she should have stayed there, like Rick told her.

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But what if another zombie came there?

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_03]: There were plenty of zombies all over the place.

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, but in this case, in this enclosed space, I think it was probably a good thing for Daryl to leave him there for a minute while he went and tried to kill everyone.

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Even though if that was ever a real situation, Daryl would probably be a dead man.

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_03]: But Daryl has luck in plot armor.

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_08]: And he told him he would come back.

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_08]: So he had to.

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_08]: And it was a very bad hiding place.

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_08]: It seemed so bad.

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, they all had flashlights.

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_08]: I was, I really thought they were going to find him because it was just sort of this like slat where you could still very easily see him.

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Barely behind that plank.

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_10]: He's quite a, he's quite a pale little dude, you know?

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_10]: He's not exactly going to like, not be seen when you put a flashlight on him.

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_03]: There's just not very good options though.

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_10]: No, that's true.

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_10]: That's true.

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_10]: Remember Veronica, there's, there's not options.

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_10]: We shouldn't make fun.

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_10]: What else are you going to do?

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_04]: You throw, throw Laura.

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_10]: Jason's like, Nico, get in the chimney.

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this show, one thing about the Daryl show in comparison to the other spinoffs, especially the main show is they get thrown into situations.

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like they're in Star Wars with a bunch of stormtroopers just shooting at them and missing, you know?

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_03]: You get that scene over and over again.

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_06]: It's so funny.

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_06]: You're just like, oh, okay.

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And then someone comes in and saves them at the last minute like every other time, right?

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_10]: Yep.

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_10]: Exactly.

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_10]: Exactly.

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_10]: Exactly.

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_10]: That's the bit that keeps getting me is people just coming in like, aha, I'm here to save the day.

[01:05:00] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm like, who's left to save the day?

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_10]: I don't understand.

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_10]: Anyway.

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_10]: Yes.

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And the fight with Lo Sang I thought was pretty awesome.

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And it was totally foreshadowed when Lo Sang was training before, you know, and beating up his own guys.

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_03]: But I think that was a smart move to put that scene in there so we would believe that he was a formidable fighter.

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, it was quite a cool fight, I think.

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_10]: I wasn't that invested in it, but it was kind of cool, I guess.

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And I liked how he kept bashing his head in with that skull and then they panned across his body and you see the bloody skull there.

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_03]: That was pretty gruesome.

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_07]: That's very gruesome.

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_07]: I really was worried Laurent was going to walk in as that was happening.

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I think he was watching it.

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_07]: He was?

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_07]: He could see it?

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that was the point, yeah.

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know I could actually see.

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_07]: I thought he could just hear.

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_10]: Peter just went, oh, that seems like a really stupid way to kill someone.

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_10]: And then they pulled out for the shot of the bloody skull.

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_10]: He went, oh, it was for that cool shot.

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_10]: Yes.

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't you have a knife, Daryl?

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_10]: You know, he was like, that's so dumb.

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, no, wait, no, that makes sense.

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_10]: Yep, yep, yep, yep.

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_04]: That's awesome.

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_10]: All right.

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Whose turn is it?

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Lucy's, right?

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_03]: It's me.

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_10]: I've kind of gone all over the place with my points.

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, yeah, let's have a look.

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_10]: There's so much of it.

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_10]: I was really pleased to see Anna again.

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_10]: I find her delightful.

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_10]: I think she's really funny.

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_10]: She looks kind of like a friend of mine.

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_10]: And I just, I find her really interesting.

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_10]: She kind of, I mean, she was a caricature almost in this episode, but I liked it.

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_10]: And I liked that she still helped Laurent, which I'm assuming is due to her love for his father at a certain point.

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_10]: But I liked that she was just an out and out good guy in this episode and that there wasn't like a double cross or something like that.

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_10]: And I just thought she looked great.

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_10]: And I enjoyed seeing her on screen.

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_10]: And as I say, I hope that she gives Codron a job as a bouncer and the two of them strike up an office romance, because I think it would be nice for them both to have a happy ending.

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you think Codron will be in the show next season?

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I bet he'll die next time.

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Every time I like a character, they die.

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_10]: So I've given up.

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_10]: I wouldn't be surprised if he turns up again next week for the finale.

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_10]: But we'll see.

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_10]: We'll see.

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_10]: I just, I don't know how they're, I just don't know.

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know what's going to happen next week.

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_10]: I have no idea.

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_10]: So.

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess we should have known on the Daryl and Carol show that lots of other characters would just die all the time.

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_10]: Although ever since we had that conversation about like it being to do with how much people cost, I'm like, okay, so the next person to die is going to be the next most established actor.

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_10]: I was very sad that Clermont's posy was gone from the credits.

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_10]: I know.

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_10]: That made me sad.

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_10]: I was like, oh, he's really dead.

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I liked having Laurent be a central part of this episode and whether he would go back to America.

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And it really feels like in this, you know, over the last couple of episodes, we felt like, oh, they're just throwing everything from the first season away because Carol came back.

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But the Laurent stuff made me feel like, okay, here's continuity because he's been a going concern for the entirety of the series going back to the very first episode.

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And so that was good to have that.

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_03]: But it also then just made me feel kind of like, oh, Isabel's not here.

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, that still stings.

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_10]: I am.

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_10]: I enjoyed some of the interactions between Anna and Daryl at the Demi Mond.

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_10]: I did.

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_10]: I have made a small note of like, what are the labor laws at the Demi Mond?

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_10]: Because I swear to God, those dancers are always dancing.

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_10]: And I'm like, did they get a break?

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_10]: Did they get a Union 5?

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, what's happening?

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was thinking about that, too.

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them are there just for the joy of it to keep doing this thing in the zombie apocalypse.

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_10]: You know, I enjoyed the cover of My Generation.

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_10]: I thought that was it.

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_10]: And I thought Carol, not Carol, Anna and Daryl had a very interesting conversation.

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_10]: There was a lot about the French wanting freedom.

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_10]: And that's why the Demi Mond is still open.

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_10]: But she's talking about there being another Jeanne before long.

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_10]: And she says to Daryl that in America, you guys don't fall for fascists.

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_10]: And they toast to that.

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_03]: The good old days of 2010.

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_10]: I was literally like, I'm not going to say it.

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_10]: It's not my fight.

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_03]: That was a totally knowing comment by the writers in there.

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_10]: I was like, hmm.

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, well, let's let that one percolate.

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_10]: I guess even within the context of the show, some of the leaders that they've had, like Negan and like the governor, you know, there's bad leadership everywhere, I guess.

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_10]: So, but I enjoyed I.

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_10]: More power to Anna.

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_10]: I hope she has a long and successful career as the Madame of the Underworld.

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_03]: In the Demi Mond when they first came in and these sexy women were kind of coming up and propositioning them.

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_03]: One came up to Carol and did she try to pickpocket Carol's knife?

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Is that what happened?

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And Carol got it right back.

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_03]: And my first thought was, I thought Quinn had a rule of no weapons.

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Didn't he?

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_03]: In the place.

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And then Anna later says she loosened up the rule.

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_03]: So is she like, hey, you can have your weapons.

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_03]: It's fine.

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, we see that wearing a gun over his shoulder.

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_07]: I guess so.

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_10]: Gary Erbs were wearing them as well.

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_10]: A little bit of a dig there at the Brits enjoying rules and queuing.

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_10]: Can confirm.

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_10]: We do like rules and queuing.

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_10]: So don't come to us for the Demi Mond.

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_10]: At best, you'll get a Greg's.

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_10]: Like, yeah.

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, that's fine.

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_10]: Greg's is good.

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_10]: But.

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, the UK has some great pubs.

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_10]: We do.

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_07]: I really liked when Daryl and Carol came in there and they're talking to Anna and they're

[01:10:37] [SPEAKER_07]: like, we're looking for another guy.

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_07]: He's an American.

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_07]: And she's like, you people are everywhere.

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_07]: That was really funny too.

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_07]: Another good cut of Americans.

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_10]: And so she, she did send the poor guy that Daryl offed way at the start of the episode.

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_10]: That was one of her men rather than Janie's.

[01:10:55] [SPEAKER_10]: If I'm reading the episode correctly.

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_03]: She said she sent somebody to find the plane and they never came back.

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, maybe it was those two guys that had gotten what looked like trapped by Ash's

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_03]: booby trap or something.

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_03]: And Carol knife.

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Daryl knife one in the head.

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that was.

[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_10]: Ash had really, I think the verb is home alone to the shit out of that place.

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_10]: So like, well done.

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_10]: Well done.

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_03]: You see some like marbles on the floor or something.

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_10]: An iron inexplicably.

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Hanging by a rope.

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I've gone through all my points and just have notes left.

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: You guys both too.

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Veronica, you want to do some notes?

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, I just, and we already talked about this a little bit, but I had just written down some

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_07]: of the things I really loved, uh, this episode.

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Just what I said I liked most about this show altogether, like the locations, the set

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_07]: design and the costumes.

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_07]: And so, um, I, I already talked about how much I've loved their use of Mont St.

[01:11:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Michel.

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, I still love the way they've been styling Daryl, um, and his suspenders and things.

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_07]: I, I struggle a bit of like, it feels like a big shift in like his character to dress that

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_07]: way.

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_07]: And like, yes, we're in France, but it was still modern day France with probably tons of

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_07]: modern fashion.

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, you know, I love the shot of Mason Mare with the rounded grassy knoll over the entrance,

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_07]: even in its questionable, uh, desolation.

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know why, like you said that it's, uh, been so ransacked, but it was still just

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_07]: a cool shot as they pulled back of like the zombies walking over it.

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, I loved like the opening scene where they're in the French countryside and there's

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_07]: that like decrepit windmill behind Daryl and Carol.

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, and then this is silly, but I absolutely love the yellow Jeep that they've been driving

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_07]: around town.

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_07]: It's great.

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_07]: Like just another, another, like, you know, I guess set design piece that I thought was

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_07]: fantastic.

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_07]: And I kind of want that car.

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, and then the last thing I wrote down was what you already commented on that just,

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_07]: it was fun to go back to the Demi-Wand club, even if it feels a little strange that this

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_07]: sort of renaissance of, of art is happening in the middle of a sort of, uh, difficult Zed

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_07]: economy right now.

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Like it seems like people should maybe be focused on survival a little bit more with

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_07]: everything going on, but it was a fun moment to step away.

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_07]: And I liked the performances and the music and the art going up on the walls and things.

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_07]: So that was my love for, for the show.

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I really liked that.

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_03]: They got the, the Mona Lisa too.

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_03]: That's quite a get.

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_10]: Um, what was it?

[01:13:53] [SPEAKER_10]: Quinn had a money.

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Lucy.

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_10]: Okay.

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_10]: Um, one nitpick I didn't mention some of the CGI on the roof wasn't amazing.

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_10]: The lighting was a bit off.

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_10]: I was like, all right, okay.

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_10]: We're, we're not really on a roof.

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_10]: That's cool.

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_10]: Um, so yeah, there were a couple of moments where I was like, it just added to the idea

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_10]: of like, Laurent is godly and this is heaven.

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_10]: I was like, or you're on a roof, like whichever.

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_03]: They had to either, um, have the CGI or be good or get to keep Ash for one more episode.

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_03]: So they chose him.

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, done.

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_10]: There's a joke about that in the second season of Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, which I love where

[01:14:37] [SPEAKER_10]: they joke that they've spent so much money on one of the videos that, um, one of the

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_10]: recurring actors is now played by a broom on a stand.

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm like, yep.

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_10]: Yep.

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_10]: You can see that happening in the Daryl show.

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_10]: Daryl is now played by a broom on a stand.

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_10]: Um, actually the character in the song is also called Daryl.

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_10]: Anyway, um, when Lo Sang walked in to see Anna, she said, oh, you must be the hope guy.

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_10]: I thought she said, oh, you must be the hot guy.

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_10]: I was like, hmm, interesting.

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_10]: Um, one of the things that I thought was on the nose, but kind of justified when Ash was

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_10]: talking to Carol was when he said, you think that the ends justify the means?

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_10]: And I'm like, ah, when someone says the thesis statement of what's just happened out loud.

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_10]: Um, but yeah, I think that's something about Carol is she does often believe that the ends

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_10]: justify the means.

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_10]: Um, and that's a key part of her character.

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Anyone who fucks with people all the time.

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_10]: Yep.

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_10]: And I did love Ash saying at Paris, we have a problem.

[01:15:36] [SPEAKER_10]: It made me laugh.

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[01:15:39] [SPEAKER_10]: That's me.

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's see.

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I thought it kind of made sense that it turns out Carol left Ash in a really dangerous

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_03]: spot.

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_03]: When you fly a plane in that people might want to get that plane.

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And, um, the only nitpick I have is it seems like that would have also been an issue at

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_03]: his place in Maine too.

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, people would have come there looking for the plane before then.

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_10]: Especially when he's near a hub of bad guys who are treating zombies with Europe.

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_10]: Right.

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[01:16:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But whatever.

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, when Carol and Daryl are going to Sacre Coeur to find Falou in Montmartre to try to find

[01:16:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Ash, Carol starts talking about Ash and said, he's not like us.

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_03]: He's gentle.

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, like the Daryl goes, what, you got the hots for him or something?

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:16:27] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:16:27] [SPEAKER_10]: No, I like him though.

[01:16:29] [SPEAKER_10]: Well, there was a bit where Ash is like all those moments, those tenderness between us,

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_10]: Peter and I were like, have they been fucking?

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_09]: Like, did we miss that?

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_10]: I don't think they have.

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_03]: They've just been bonding.

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_03]: No, they've been bonding over the loss of a child.

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:16:41] [SPEAKER_10]: But it was the way he said it.

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_10]: I was like, oh, good for you.

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Get it, girl.

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I, I liked seeing Falou's place again and it just helped me love the feel of the episode

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_03]: because it had this sort of charming day in the life feel with gardening and dishwashing

[01:17:03] [SPEAKER_03]: and a kid on a stationary bike and all that.

[01:17:05] [SPEAKER_03]: It just had a nice feel to it.

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_10]: I love Falou.

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_10]: I really, I hope he survives the season.

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_10]: He's so great.

[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_03]: The very first scene, they're in the car and Carol's, they're trying to get it started,

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_03]: but Daryl's spacing out and Carol's like, hey, try it one more time.

[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And I do think that's because he's thinking about Isabel.

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's kind of subtle, but it's there that he's heartbroken about that.

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, when, um, I just love the scene between Daryl and Laurent when he told her,

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_03]: after he told her him that Isabel died and Laurent said, um, she loved you.

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_03]: She told me.

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And Daryl breaks a little bit there, but it's very subtle, you know, but you, I,

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I really felt it like he's feeling things about that.

[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_10]: I just wasn't sure if she would have told Laurent that, but I don't know.

[01:18:02] [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, maybe she did.

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_10]: I know he knew.

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_10]: I think he could tell.

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:18:06] [SPEAKER_10]: I do think he could tell because kids aren't stupid.

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_10]: But when he said she told him, I was like, did she?

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_10]: She's like, hey, Laurent, guess what?

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_10]: I love Daryl.

[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_10]: And Laurent's like, ew.

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm a kid.

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_10]: And she's like, I love him.

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_07]: And he's like, ew.

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_07]: It made me a little sad that he didn't say anything positive back to Laurent,

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_07]: though, in that moment.

[01:18:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Just like, you know, I know I loved and cared about her too,

[01:18:32] [SPEAKER_07]: or just something because Laurent was also hurting in that moment

[01:18:36] [SPEAKER_07]: and that shared, like, grief could have been powerful.

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_07]: And I know that's hard for Daryl.

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_07]: So it's not crazy that he didn't say anything.

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_07]: But I did feel like Daryl has come a long way in sort of opening up emotionally.

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_07]: Not, like, huge, but a long way for him,

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_07]: who used to just communicate in, like, grunts mostly.

[01:18:57] [SPEAKER_07]: And so I wish he'd said something.

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_07]: I recognize why it would have been hard for him,

[01:19:02] [SPEAKER_07]: and I don't think it was crazy out of character or anything,

[01:19:04] [SPEAKER_07]: but I just felt like he should have said something to Laurent

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_07]: to connect with him in that moment.

[01:19:10] [SPEAKER_10]: I agree with you, Revoidsworth.

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking a lot of people are going to want Daryl to say,

[01:19:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I loved her too.

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was thinking, I'm glad he didn't say that

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_03]: because you can read the emotion in him.

[01:19:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think Laurent's perspective, what am I trying to say?

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Perceptive.

[01:19:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Perceptive enough to see that and feel it

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_03]: and that they were actually sharing a moment together

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_03]: that was really pointed.

[01:19:31] [SPEAKER_03]: But what if Daryl just said, what?

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm just kidding.

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_03]: What?

[01:19:35] [SPEAKER_03]: What?

[01:19:35] [SPEAKER_03]: What?

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_10]: I realized that Daryl's catchphrase is,

[01:19:39] [SPEAKER_10]: he has a really specific way of saying hi.

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_10]: Like when he goes to the scene, he's like, hi.

[01:19:43] [SPEAKER_10]: I'm like, oh, that's the Daryl catchphrase.

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_10]: Just saying hey.

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I think I'm kind of between it,

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_10]: but I'm with you, Veronica.

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_10]: I feel like Laurent needed,

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_10]: I think he knows Daryl loved her,

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_10]: but I think he needed to feel seen

[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_10]: and not alone in his grief.

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_10]: Not ignored, yeah.

[01:19:58] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I do feel like he dropped the ball a little bit there.

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_07]: Especially when he's like immediately pressuring him

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_07]: to move continents.

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_07]: I know.

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe some emotional connection,

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_07]: a little space from just finding out

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_07]: this maternal figure has just died.

[01:20:15] [SPEAKER_07]: My aunt loved you.

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_07]: As a TV show, we gotta move things along.

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_07]: I know.

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Only on The Walking Dead

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_03]: would you pressure some kid

[01:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: who has clearly said he wants to stay where he is

[01:20:25] [SPEAKER_03]: into flying in a plane

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_03]: with a notorious person who's bad for kids

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_03]: and think that was the safest thing.

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and still be considered a hero.

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_03]: People are dropping like flies all around you for weeks.

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_10]: But it's fine.

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_10]: It's fine.

[01:20:40] [SPEAKER_10]: Okay, sure.

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_03]: What about you, Veronica?

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you have an Only on The Walking Dead?

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Only on The Walking Dead?

[01:20:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Can you clap an enemy away?

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Close thing up.

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_08]: That made me laugh so hard.

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Also, 80s teen comedies,

[01:20:57] [SPEAKER_03]: you could slow clap somebody away.

[01:20:59] [SPEAKER_03]: True, true.

[01:20:59] [SPEAKER_03]: That's true.

[01:21:00] [SPEAKER_10]: We use it a lot in improv for intros.

[01:21:03] [SPEAKER_10]: You walk into a scene going,

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_10]: well done.

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_10]: Only on The Walking Dead

[01:21:11] [SPEAKER_10]: would a Rubik's Cube

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_10]: give so much away.

[01:21:21] [SPEAKER_03]: All right.

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_03]: That is our show, episode 608.

[01:21:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, everybody, as always, for listening.

[01:21:26] [SPEAKER_03]: We love you guys.

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Veronica, for coming on.

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Yay, Veronica.

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_03]: You're going to come back for the feedback episode.

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Yay!

[01:21:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yay.

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_03]: So, if you want to write to Veronica,

[01:21:38] [SPEAKER_03]: you should do that.

[01:21:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Next episode will be listener feedback for,

[01:21:43] [SPEAKER_03]: what's it called again?

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_10]: The Daryl Dixon Show.

[01:21:47] [SPEAKER_03]: The Daryl Show.

[01:21:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Season 2, episode 5,

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_03]: vouloir, c'est pouvoir.

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_10]: Vouloir, c'est pouvoir.

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_10]: If you want to write in

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[01:22:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and while you're there,

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_03]: please check out our other podcasts.

[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_03]: If you want to hear more from Veronica,

[01:22:10] [SPEAKER_03]: you can check out the Wheel of Time podcast,

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_03]: which she was on with Greg in Season 2,

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_03]: or Squid Game,

[01:22:16] [SPEAKER_03]: which she guested on a few times

[01:22:18] [SPEAKER_03]: with me and David

[01:22:21] [SPEAKER_03]: and Daphne.

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_03]: What else?

[01:22:25] [SPEAKER_03]: We did Silo on this podcast.

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Also the Dragon Season 2.

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh yeah, House of the Dragon.

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_03]: That's like the biggest one, yeah.

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_07]: And I did get to guest on Rings of Power,

[01:22:34] [SPEAKER_07]: and if you've been a holdout on Rings of Power,

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_07]: I finally feel like after Season 2,

[01:22:39] [SPEAKER_07]: I could really encourage people to jump in

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_07]: because things picked up

[01:22:43] [SPEAKER_07]: and it was excellent,

[01:22:45] [SPEAKER_07]: and Anwen and Penny are so fantastic

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_07]: for enriching that show.

[01:22:49] [SPEAKER_07]: So watch the show and listen to the pod.

[01:22:51] [SPEAKER_03]: They're trying to get some actors on.

[01:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I hope they're successful,

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_03]: but you like all the fantasy stuff.

[01:22:56] [SPEAKER_03]: You're on House of the Dragon,

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Guest in the Rings of Power,

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Wheel of Time.

[01:23:01] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, well this episode's made possible

[01:23:03] [SPEAKER_03]: by Patreon supporters like Jenny Ryan,

[01:23:05] [SPEAKER_03]: who pledged their support at patreon.com

[01:23:07] [SPEAKER_03]: slash Jason Cabassi.

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_03]: So thank you to Jenny,

[01:23:10] [SPEAKER_03]: who does the very fun Welcome to the Apocalypse,

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_03]: our zombie improv podcast with Randy and Robert,

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_03]: and that's also at podcast.com,

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_03]: and she's friends with Lucy,

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_03]: and Lucy and I guested on that show once

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_03]: where we played podcasters in the zombie apocalypse.

[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_06]: It was hilarious.

[01:23:28] [SPEAKER_10]: Some say it was the best thing they've ever listened to.

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_10]: That was Lucy who said,

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_10]: oh, sorry.

[01:23:35] [SPEAKER_10]: That was me.

[01:23:36] [SPEAKER_10]: That was direct quote from me.

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_03]: All right, that is our show.

[01:23:39] [SPEAKER_10]: Thanks for listening.

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_10]: Don't get bit, Jennifer Ringham.

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_10]: I hate Rubik's Cubes.

[01:23:45] [SPEAKER_10]: I hate them.

[01:23:46] I hate them.