610: "Au Revoir les Enfants" (TWD: Daryl Dixon S2E6)

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[00:01:05] What?

[00:01:05] Where's something?

[00:01:26] Always get what you want.

[00:01:31] Always get what you want.

[00:01:35] Can't always get what you want.

[00:01:40] Try sometimes.

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[00:02:20] Hey Zed Heads, welcome to the podcast.

[00:02:22] I'm Jason.

[00:02:23] And I'm Lucy.

[00:02:25] And this is the Cast of Us episode 610.

[00:02:28] And this episode we're covering The Walking Dead Daryl Dixon season 2 episode 6, Au Revoir Les Enfants.

[00:02:34] The season finale.

[00:02:35] Yes, where we learned the theme of The Daryl Dixon Show, which is you can't always get what you want.

[00:02:43] You can't always get what you want.

[00:02:48] If you try sometimes.

[00:02:49] But if you try sometimes.

[00:02:50] Yes.

[00:02:51] I can't.

[00:02:52] Uh, so we're gonna have a little spoilery segment at the end of this episode with some information about Daryl season 3.

[00:03:02] Not a lot, just something about the setting of next season.

[00:03:05] So if you don't want to hear any spoilers, then don't listen to that.

[00:03:09] But if you want to hear a little spoiler, listen to it.

[00:03:12] It's called The Book of Falou, I wish.

[00:03:15] I would watch The Book of Falou.

[00:03:17] Yeah, next season we're staying in France with Falou.

[00:03:19] It's just a lovely romantic French movie with Falou and his new woman.

[00:03:24] It's very touching.

[00:03:25] It's called The Walking Dead Daryl Dixon hooking up.

[00:03:29] Yep.

[00:03:31] Alright, so it's Daryl Dixon season 2 episode 6, Au Revoir Les Enfants.

[00:03:36] What did you think about this one in general?

[00:03:38] Uh, I hated it the first time. Liked it more the second time.

[00:03:41] Hmm.

[00:03:42] Hated it, huh?

[00:03:44] I...

[00:03:44] I didn't hate it.

[00:03:45] I mean, hated it strong.

[00:03:47] Didn't like it much, yeah.

[00:03:48] Yeah, I just felt a bit like...

[00:03:50] Yeah, I kind of feel that way too.

[00:03:53] Like, there are some cool elements, but it felt...

[00:03:57] The show just feels so rushed.

[00:04:00] And, you know, when you hear the showrunner talk about it, he's like,

[00:04:04] well, we only have six episodes, so we have to kind of get, you know, put a lot in.

[00:04:08] And you can really feel that to the point where it feels like they're...

[00:04:13] It's contrived or they're going through the motions, you know?

[00:04:16] Like, if some of these storylines had time to breathe, then it could be really effective.

[00:04:23] But it's just like, okay, let's bring a girl in that Falou likes.

[00:04:25] And then they're together and now that's why he's not here.

[00:04:28] And they had this big romance within a five-minute period of this episode, you know?

[00:04:33] The most egregious thing, the thing that I'm just like, I'm sorry, you've done what?

[00:04:38] Is what they did to Kadron in this episode.

[00:04:40] He had all this growth, we were all like rooting for him, and then he just kind of developed tunnel madness and runs away.

[00:04:47] And I'm just like...

[00:04:48] That's the thing with him.

[00:04:48] He runs off.

[00:04:49] He runs off.

[00:04:50] He's the one character, him and Falou.

[00:04:52] Everyone else is like, okay, their storyline's over, kill him off.

[00:04:56] Yeah.

[00:04:56] Jacinta, La Sang, Isabelle...

[00:04:59] Anna.

[00:05:00] Anna.

[00:05:01] Yeah, Anna.

[00:05:02] But Kadron gets to run away and come back another day.

[00:05:07] I, Peter's theory, he seems to be the bloody mystic of The Walking Dead.

[00:05:11] He's predicting me.

[00:05:12] He's like, we'll see Kadron in the first episode of the next season, but it will be like as a zombie or dead to establish the next threat.

[00:05:19] And I'm like, yeah, fucking probably.

[00:05:21] I don't know.

[00:05:22] Like whatever.

[00:05:22] Yeah.

[00:05:23] Did, uh, did he predict that Ash would take Laurent?

[00:05:28] He did.

[00:05:29] Yep.

[00:05:29] He did.

[00:05:30] Because so did one of the listeners, Billy Thompson said word for word.

[00:05:33] I predict that Ash will take Laurent while Carol and Daryl have to stay back to make sure they can escape or something like that.

[00:05:42] Yep.

[00:05:42] I mean, it's...

[00:05:45] Yeah.

[00:05:46] I mean, I was sad to see Laurent go.

[00:05:48] I know no one will believe me saying that, but I just felt a bit like...

[00:05:51] No, you've been pretty sympathetic towards him lately.

[00:05:54] Yeah.

[00:05:54] I was just like, well, at least you and Judith can bond over terrible parental figures never coming back.

[00:05:59] Like, I just like, okay.

[00:06:01] Hopefully it's not.

[00:06:02] Did you ever watch MASH?

[00:06:04] No.

[00:06:05] It was a huge show.

[00:06:06] In fact, I think the season finale might be the most watched narrative TV episode of anything ever, at least in the United States.

[00:06:13] But, um, there was this character on there, Henry something, and he was like the guy in charge of the MASH unit.

[00:06:22] It was a Korean War, um, medical unit.

[00:06:26] That's what the series is about.

[00:06:28] And he was great.

[00:06:29] And then, uh, the, I think the actor wanted to negotiate a salary or something and he got kicked off the show.

[00:06:36] And then the next episode, they said that he, you know, got called, he got to go home, but his, it was just reported that his helicopter was shot down.

[00:06:45] Spoilers for MASH.

[00:06:46] And it was like, what a bummer.

[00:06:48] I mean, it's a war show.

[00:06:49] So, but God, that's.

[00:06:51] I know, but what way to go.

[00:06:53] Like some of the, I was, I was on a, it was like a Buzzfeed article or something about like five actors who left the show acrimoniously and how they were written off.

[00:07:00] And I was like, yep, it happens.

[00:07:02] And it sucks.

[00:07:03] I can't remember what the examples were.

[00:07:05] There weren't any walking dead ones.

[00:07:06] Um, but yeah, it's.

[00:07:09] They get treated badly.

[00:07:10] Well, like, uh, the chef character on South Park who was.

[00:07:15] Isaac Hayes.

[00:07:16] And they just pummeled that character.

[00:07:20] But they really did.

[00:07:21] Uh, so hopefully that won't happen to Laurent is what I'm trying to say.

[00:07:25] Yeah.

[00:07:25] I think he and, I think he and Ash are just flying off to a happy ending.

[00:07:29] Like I can see a situation.

[00:07:30] Like I was thinking about, and I was like, maybe Daryl and Carol get back to the Commonwealth and then, oh, Laurent's not there.

[00:07:36] They never arrived.

[00:07:37] He has to go and find him.

[00:07:38] But I'm also like, oh.

[00:07:39] No, please.

[00:07:41] I, yeah, I hope we do get to see him again at the end.

[00:07:45] But I don't think we will.

[00:07:47] I also, I'm, I was, two good things.

[00:07:51] I was surprised and happy that Falou and Ash both survived the season.

[00:07:55] That, that was nice.

[00:07:57] Yeah.

[00:07:57] Just, it's like, okay, they didn't die.

[00:07:59] That's a good point.

[00:08:00] Yes.

[00:08:01] We thought Ash was a goner.

[00:08:02] Yeah, definitely.

[00:08:03] And Laurent too.

[00:08:05] Were you thinking about, spoiler warning for Yellow Jackets, were you thinking about Yellow Jackets when they were trying to get the plane to go?

[00:08:14] Oh, no, I didn't.

[00:08:15] Well.

[00:08:15] I was.

[00:08:16] I mean.

[00:08:17] I was like, you know what would happen if this show had balls?

[00:08:19] Yeah.

[00:08:20] Oh my God.

[00:08:21] No, please.

[00:08:22] That would not be good.

[00:08:23] No, it wouldn't.

[00:08:24] But there was part of me that was like, God, do it.

[00:08:27] Do it.

[00:08:27] Do something dark.

[00:08:28] No, we want Laurent to live.

[00:08:29] You know.

[00:08:30] We do.

[00:08:31] If he, yeah.

[00:08:31] It was one of those things where I was like, if the show was sick.

[00:08:33] You see a little parachute, a kid come out with a parachute.

[00:08:38] I learned how to pack a parachute.

[00:08:40] Allons-y.

[00:08:41] You're like.

[00:08:44] You're like.

[00:08:44] Well, let me do my first point.

[00:08:46] The plan for Laurent.

[00:08:47] Go for it.

[00:08:48] So, Daryl gives Laurent this guitar he found.

[00:08:52] And I kind of liked that Laurent realized that that meant Daryl wasn't coming with him

[00:08:56] because he's intuitive.

[00:08:57] It's a good, a parting gift.

[00:08:59] Yeah.

[00:09:00] I still think it's kind of odd for Laurent to leave France without Daryl, but it made

[00:09:06] it a little more sense because Laurent kept saying, you're going to come, right?

[00:09:10] What do you think the chances are he's going to come?

[00:09:12] So, he's counting on Daryl meeting him in the Commonwealth.

[00:09:17] That's why.

[00:09:19] But I still felt bad for him because it reminded me of Judith.

[00:09:23] Like, he's just lost his mother figure, Isabelle, his real mother, all the nuns that

[00:09:29] used to take care of him, everybody.

[00:09:32] Perjon.

[00:09:33] Yeah, Perjon.

[00:09:34] Now he's going.

[00:09:35] He lost Daryl kind of, at least for a while.

[00:09:37] And he's going off with this guy who he just met, who seems to like to cuss up a storm

[00:09:42] in front of kids.

[00:09:44] But then by like halfway through this episode, just like, I would get anything to save this

[00:09:48] boy.

[00:09:49] And I'm like, I mean, sure.

[00:09:50] Like, cool.

[00:09:51] Yeah.

[00:09:51] Yeah.

[00:09:51] That's nice, I guess.

[00:09:52] Because, I mean, Daryl sort of, he wasn't manipulating him because he was being

[00:09:59] honest.

[00:10:00] He was influencing him.

[00:10:02] I mean, he wasn't lying.

[00:10:04] No.

[00:10:04] But he was playing up things that he knew, like, oh, I'm sorry you lost a kid.

[00:10:09] You know, Carol did too.

[00:10:10] I was there.

[00:10:11] Like, so you should have sympathy for her basically.

[00:10:13] And then, you know, that we, you can save one kid still.

[00:10:17] And that, because Ash is the easiest person in The Walking Dead history to convince of

[00:10:22] something.

[00:10:22] Because then he immediately just became Laurent's best friend.

[00:10:25] Let me show you how this plane works and everything.

[00:10:28] And this is the one reason why we need to do this, you know.

[00:10:30] So, again, like, major safeguarding red flags for Laurent.

[00:10:34] Like, I'm sure Ash is lovely, but like, you know, Carol's only known him for like two

[00:10:39] weeks.

[00:10:39] Like, anyway, whatever.

[00:10:40] He's in the, I'm sure it's lovely.

[00:10:41] And it kind of bothered me.

[00:10:43] I, I, I'm usually don't, I don't care about profanity, but he's like, fuck yeah,

[00:10:48] fucking A, you know.

[00:10:50] Like, dude, there's a kid right there.

[00:10:52] Dude, motherfucker.

[00:10:52] I was like, this is why people don't leave their kids with me.

[00:10:55] Like, Goddamn cunts, fuck you.

[00:10:59] And Laurent's like, oh no.

[00:11:01] Oh, who, who's this guy?

[00:11:03] Who's this guy?

[00:11:04] He used to sit in the back of the plane because Carol pulled shotgun and then flew out the

[00:11:08] plane.

[00:11:09] I'd be raging.

[00:11:10] I'd be like, what do you mean I have to sit in the fucking back seat on the way to

[00:11:12] Ohio?

[00:11:14] I get Carson.

[00:11:17] So, so Daryl keeps promising Laurent he'll see him again.

[00:11:21] And I'm like, you can't promise that, but I guess Daryl can cause he's the last man standing

[00:11:26] no matter what.

[00:11:27] But really you shouldn't say that.

[00:11:29] And then I love that, that Laurent played.

[00:11:32] You can't always get what you want.

[00:11:33] That was almost like a little passive aggressive sassy thing to play.

[00:11:37] You know, I can almost be like you little shit.

[00:11:40] This song's about you.

[00:11:42] I did love that.

[00:11:43] Like that made Daryl cry.

[00:11:45] I was like, all right.

[00:11:45] Yeah.

[00:11:46] What if he'd start playing?

[00:11:47] I hate you.

[00:11:50] I fucking hate you.

[00:11:52] It smells like teen spirit.

[00:11:53] He's like,

[00:11:53] Perjohn was really into grunge.

[00:11:56] Probably never heard of it.

[00:11:58] Okay.

[00:11:59] Cult of personality.

[00:12:00] No.

[00:12:01] Um, so then, um, uh, yeah, Billy Thompson wrote my prediction for the last episode,

[00:12:09] Ashton Laurent leave in the plane while Daryl and Carol help them from outside the plane.

[00:12:14] This means that another two, they can write another two characters out of the show, but

[00:12:18] in a positive way, I'm hoping if this does happen, we do eventually get a Daryl and Laurent

[00:12:22] reunion in the series finale.

[00:12:24] I think another listener may have predicted that too.

[00:12:26] So my apologies.

[00:12:27] I forgot who that was.

[00:12:29] So then Carol also makes it clear that the plan is to take Laurent to the Commonwealth.

[00:12:33] I guess we would have already known that, but she says to Daryl, you know, oh, he's

[00:12:36] going to get along really well at the Commonwealth.

[00:12:38] And then later after Ash and Laurent ended up going without them, she tells Daryl, oh,

[00:12:42] they're probably there by now.

[00:12:43] So I guess she told Ash, look for this big settlement in Ohio and just tell them that

[00:12:51] Carol sent you, you know, just fly in.

[00:12:54] It will be fine.

[00:12:55] Yeah.

[00:12:55] They have a landing strip right in the middle of town.

[00:12:57] Um, but I guess this whole like Laurent as Messiah storyline is over, which means new

[00:13:03] stuff next season.

[00:13:04] I know there'll be a lot of listeners who will actually be, um, happy about that, but

[00:13:08] I do hope that when Daryl gets back to the Commonwealth, Laurent will have started a cult

[00:13:11] there.

[00:13:12] Yes.

[00:13:13] I hope so too.

[00:13:13] And a little like white robe, like singing, I'd like to teach the world to sing or something

[00:13:18] like that.

[00:13:19] Like, yeah.

[00:13:20] And Judith is like his biggest acolyte.

[00:13:23] I would love that.

[00:13:23] Her acolyte.

[00:13:24] Yeah.

[00:13:25] I'm like, oh man.

[00:13:26] I just feel like, I don't know.

[00:13:28] It, it felt, it all felt very rushed and just a bit.

[00:13:33] Like by the time they were on the plane and had flown away, I was like, still quite a lot

[00:13:37] of episodes left.

[00:13:38] It's just like, what are we going to do?

[00:13:40] Oh, okay.

[00:13:42] And then we went on a, a bioluminescence journey, which was, yeah.

[00:13:47] They stuck at everything.

[00:13:49] Like it's a long dark tunnel with, with hallucinating, hallucination inducing bat guano and bioluminescent

[00:13:58] zombies.

[00:13:58] I kind of loved it actually.

[00:14:01] It's one of those things where I was like, it's sort of cool, but I feel like it's, it's

[00:14:06] weird that they're spending so much time with this when we've got so little time with other

[00:14:10] things that would have benefited from more time.

[00:14:13] Yes.

[00:14:13] Or this long story with Falou talking about the time, I mean, basically bragging about the

[00:14:18] time he saved this racist neighbor's kid.

[00:14:21] You know, that took like five minutes.

[00:14:22] Come on.

[00:14:25] I'm just such a good person.

[00:14:26] Yeah.

[00:14:27] Immediately caused, I guess her name is Alika to want to bone him.

[00:14:32] Oh yeah.

[00:14:33] She's like, fuck it back.

[00:14:34] That is so hot.

[00:14:35] You were so hot to the miss Sniffles channel.

[00:14:37] And I'm like, oh, okay.

[00:14:39] I did not like your story, but you know, whatever.

[00:14:42] Cool.

[00:14:42] They're in love.

[00:14:43] It's fine.

[00:14:44] It was a bit like, yeah.

[00:14:46] I, oh my God.

[00:14:47] That was funny.

[00:14:48] I was like, yeah, they're really coming down hard on some immigration politics in this

[00:14:51] last episode.

[00:14:52] I'm like, I mean, sure.

[00:14:54] Relevant.

[00:14:55] But also like, wow, they, okay.

[00:14:57] They just kept hitting it really hard in this episode.

[00:14:59] I was like, oh yeah.

[00:15:00] Okay.

[00:15:00] Other.

[00:15:01] Yeah.

[00:15:01] I mean, we got a couple of Scots and they kind of made fun of them and turned out to

[00:15:06] be wankers.

[00:15:06] I was like, what is Lucy going to think about this?

[00:15:08] Did you, did you feel having like spent a couple of weeks with me and Peter this summer,

[00:15:13] was it accurate?

[00:15:14] Is that accurate?

[00:15:15] Yeah.

[00:15:15] It was pretty much just like watching you guys.

[00:15:20] I actually, I didn't mind it.

[00:15:22] I thought it was funny.

[00:15:23] You kept saying the English were shite.

[00:15:24] I mean, that part was true.

[00:15:25] I know.

[00:15:26] I was like, of course we're doing this.

[00:15:28] Lucy never said that.

[00:15:29] Lucy never said that.

[00:15:30] I'm like, ugh.

[00:15:31] It was fine.

[00:15:32] I mean, I can't, having them be called like Shona and Angus is the equivalent of going

[00:15:38] to like Spain and then being called like Juan and Juanita.

[00:15:41] It's like the most, like, terrible name.

[00:15:43] But like, fine.

[00:15:44] I'm not entirely sure what the point of them was.

[00:15:47] I was sort of like, oh, you're just red shirts really, aren't you?

[00:15:49] Like it's one of those things.

[00:15:51] Yeah.

[00:15:52] I liked, I was going to talk a little about the whole tunnel thing.

[00:15:56] Cool.

[00:15:56] I was kind of fascinated by it.

[00:15:57] But I love the idea of using the channel tunnel because in the zombie apocalypse, that becomes

[00:16:03] a really kind of interesting method of crossing over into another country.

[00:16:10] I think in The Stand, there's a really cool scene way at the start set in one of the big

[00:16:18] tunnels coming out of New York.

[00:16:19] Um, so I was thinking about that when I was watching this particular one.

[00:16:24] I thought it was bold that Carol, who's claustrophobic, would go into the tunnel at all.

[00:16:29] Is she?

[00:16:31] Yes.

[00:16:31] That's the whole thing in Squeeze.

[00:16:35] Yeah.

[00:16:36] Squeeze.

[00:16:36] I don't know if it's called Squeeze.

[00:16:37] It's called something where, um, yeah, where they're stuck down there and she is having

[00:16:41] a panic attack and blah, blah, blah.

[00:16:42] And I was like, okay, guess it's not that enclosed, but I would be a bit nervous about it.

[00:16:48] Um, there was a lot of department of suspension of disbelief for me in so far as like, I think

[00:16:54] the biggest one for me was like, they kick up the guano and they go, oh, you want to

[00:16:59] watch out for that?

[00:16:59] Make you hallucinate.

[00:17:02] All five of them are clearly having hallucination symptoms.

[00:17:05] Daryl finds gas masks, just looks at them and then puts them away again.

[00:17:09] I'm like, why wouldn't you put one on?

[00:17:12] That seems really dumb.

[00:17:14] Try it out at least.

[00:17:16] I thought the visuals were cool.

[00:17:18] I liked the bioluminescence and the glowing walkers.

[00:17:21] I thought that was really awesome.

[00:17:22] Totally reminds me of a shrooms trip I had once.

[00:17:25] I was literally going to ask you, it was like, so hallucinogens, tell me about it.

[00:17:28] Is this like very similar?

[00:17:30] Yeah.

[00:17:31] Usually see people attacking you and people, your dead relatives.

[00:17:36] Great.

[00:17:37] Pretty much every rave I went to.

[00:17:39] That's what it was all about.

[00:17:40] 10 out of 10.

[00:17:41] And if you microdose, you just see tiny ghosts.

[00:17:43] Tiny little mini grandmas.

[00:17:45] Little mini ghostlets.

[00:17:48] Interesting that we got some insight into what is happening in the UK.

[00:17:52] The Scots say the army got things locked down quickly.

[00:17:56] So things were generally good when they left.

[00:17:58] So I'm assuming that they're not good anymore, given that this-

[00:18:01] That was interesting.

[00:18:02] Yeah.

[00:18:03] Yeah.

[00:18:03] It makes you curious.

[00:18:05] It felt like a-

[00:18:09] The show, The Terror, which Adam Nagaitis was in.

[00:18:13] Great show.

[00:18:14] Very good for winter, actually.

[00:18:15] If anyone out there hasn't watched The Terror, ooh, maybe we could do a one-off on it for Christmas.

[00:18:18] Maybe.

[00:18:19] I never watched it.

[00:18:19] I heard it was really scary.

[00:18:21] Oh, you should watch it.

[00:18:22] It's really good.

[00:18:23] But it gave me this idea of like, because the whole thing with The Terror in real life,

[00:18:28] because it was a real expedition, it's sort of piecing together what happened from what you find that's left behind.

[00:18:34] It's so wrong.

[00:18:35] Why did people turn against each other?

[00:18:36] Blah, blah, blah.

[00:18:37] This cannibalism, right?

[00:18:39] And I liked-

[00:18:39] Yes.

[00:18:40] And I liked that element of the tunnel and being like, what happened here?

[00:18:44] What went down?

[00:18:44] Why did they kill each other?

[00:18:45] I think we're meant to infer that it's because they were all slowly going crazy.

[00:18:49] We guess so.

[00:18:49] But it hints to me that there might have been a breakdown in authority back in the UK.

[00:18:55] So I'm hoping that they emerge from the other end of the tunnel to see what's going on there.

[00:18:59] Yeah.

[00:19:00] They're headed that way.

[00:19:00] I don't know if it's just because of British people and the apocalypse, it did make me think of 28 Days Later,

[00:19:06] because that's the British film I associate most with the zombie apocalypse, even though they're not technically zombies.

[00:19:12] Whatever.

[00:19:12] Yeah.

[00:19:13] It's a great zombie movie.

[00:19:16] So, two separate things sort of happen in the tunnel.

[00:19:19] Daryl goes on his sort of hallucinogenic journey and Carol goes on hers.

[00:19:23] Daryl's- I thought the stuff with Kadron was really dumb.

[00:19:25] I thought it did his character a disservice.

[00:19:28] It was really stupid, especially after they just established that Daryl didn't kill his brother with him then, to be like, you did kill my brother, the zombie!

[00:19:35] And run off.

[00:19:36] Yeah, I didn't understand.

[00:19:37] Because, so they're sitting there talking and Kadron starts telling Daryl about his brother.

[00:19:45] His name was Michelle.

[00:19:46] And then-

[00:19:49] It almost sounds like Merle.

[00:19:50] Yeah.

[00:19:51] He said something, yeah, he said, oh, you know, it's like having to finish him off.

[00:19:56] You can't imagine.

[00:19:57] Or Daryl, of course, we're already thinking, yeah, Daryl's already been through that.

[00:20:01] But, of course, Daryl wouldn't say that.

[00:20:02] Oh, I already went through that.

[00:20:03] No, he just was like, yeah, I can imagine.

[00:20:05] Oh, my God, you too?

[00:20:06] Oh, brothers.

[00:20:08] But then, anyway, so when Daryl told him that I didn't kill him, it was that girl.

[00:20:14] And then he said some things that I couldn't understand.

[00:20:17] And we don't have closed captions.

[00:20:19] So, I played it back a couple times.

[00:20:20] I couldn't quite hear what he was saying, which didn't help.

[00:20:24] But it seemed like that he felt like disillusioned.

[00:20:28] Like, oh, everything I went through at Maison Mer, which is where he was like tortured, you know, and everything else.

[00:20:33] Like, it was because of this girl.

[00:20:35] And that was causing some kind of existential crisis.

[00:20:38] And I felt like he meant, well, then all the stuff where Laurent, you know, turned me religious meant nothing.

[00:20:45] Or was that what he was saying?

[00:20:47] Because if so, I don't understand why it would still be the same thing.

[00:20:50] Your brother was killed and you felt, you know, like lost in life.

[00:20:55] And then this kid turned you around.

[00:20:57] Why does it matter whether Daryl killed him or somebody else?

[00:21:00] I was confused.

[00:21:01] I suppose it's the idea that you've done everything thinking one thing and then you find out that's not true.

[00:21:05] I guess it would shake you a little bit.

[00:21:07] It would shake you.

[00:21:08] But would it make you feel like, oh, now that means nothing because someone else killed him when I thought it was this guy.

[00:21:17] Who cares who did it?

[00:21:19] I don't think so.

[00:21:19] I think he was just working through it.

[00:21:21] Because I think when he's in the tunnel, he's fine until the psychoactive back one.

[00:21:26] God, you know, sometimes when you're saying sentences and you're like, right.

[00:21:29] It just seemed like it shook him.

[00:21:31] It shook him like to the point where he was questioning everything that he went through.

[00:21:36] Well, if he's reading everything as signs from God, he's massively misread one of them.

[00:21:41] Yeah.

[00:21:41] Or something that he thought was a sign wasn't one.

[00:21:44] He's like, I don't need to forgive you.

[00:21:45] So that means I can become a villain again.

[00:21:48] That's kind of what it felt like.

[00:21:49] I lost three fingers.

[00:21:53] I don't think it would have changed any of Kodron's decisions necessarily.

[00:21:56] But I think it would shake you a little bit to find out something you thought was true is just not.

[00:22:01] I think I'm missing part of the story here because I'm going to watch it again with closed captions and see if I can figure it out.

[00:22:09] Because I feel like there's a key piece missing.

[00:22:11] But then, yeah.

[00:22:11] So then he hallucinates his brother, one of the zombies, and then Daryl kills him.

[00:22:18] And then he's like, you killed my brother and runs off.

[00:22:22] Michelle, Michelle.

[00:22:22] Michelle!

[00:22:24] It reminds me of when we rewatched, last summer we rewatched Armageddon and Steve Buscemi's character just gets space dementia halfway through and they just time to cheer.

[00:22:33] And they're like, well, he's crazy.

[00:22:35] It's like so Kodron got tunnel dementia and just ran away.

[00:22:39] So that's fine.

[00:22:40] But then Daryl goes to get the masks and is intercepted by the Scots who take the masks.

[00:22:49] You hear the girls say to the guy, we can't just leave him here.

[00:22:54] And clearly they intend to kill Daryl.

[00:22:57] Then we see this bit that I'm conflicted about, which is we get a vision of Isabel coming back in her little Jawa costume like when we first met her, talking to Daryl.

[00:23:08] And the first time I saw this, I thought it was lame as shit and I really hated it.

[00:23:12] I was like, oh my God, of course she disappears in a pile of fucking butterflies.

[00:23:15] Like I didn't enjoy it. Tonight when I rewatched it, I was like, it's kind of nice.

[00:23:22] Like it's nice that she came back.

[00:23:24] And I liked that we saw his grandfather again.

[00:23:27] But it felt very much like a proper goodbye to France and goodbye to the first season and second season of the show.

[00:23:34] And I think that's bittersweet because it hasn't been everything we wanted it to be.

[00:23:39] And I think it's unfortunate that Isabel's loss was probably one of the biggest missteps of the show or the biggest kind of it wasn't done quite the way we wanted it.

[00:23:49] We were all disappointed that she died.

[00:23:51] So it was bittersweet to see her again and see her disappear off into the distance.

[00:23:56] But I thought both actors did a really good job in that scene.

[00:24:00] And yeah, it just kind of highlighted the loss that she was for the show and for Daryl.

[00:24:05] It's true.

[00:24:06] I don't know how I feel about it.

[00:24:07] But I think it's better to have that moment than not because we want Daryl to care.

[00:24:14] And there was a theme.

[00:24:16] One of my points is about in this episode, they hit on a theme that's pretty common in The Walking Dead, but it's how they grieve the people that they lost.

[00:24:26] And that makes them question whether they can or should continue on.

[00:24:30] But then the people that are still there are a reason to continue on, you know?

[00:24:36] Yeah.

[00:24:36] And so the three people hallucinating in the channel were Codron, Daryl, and Carol.

[00:24:46] And Carol was hallucinating Sophia, Codron hallucinating his brother.

[00:24:52] We know for those two, those are the two people they both cared about the most.

[00:24:55] So then that says something maybe about Daryl hallucinating, you know?

[00:25:00] Merle didn't show up.

[00:25:02] Pardon?

[00:25:03] Merle shows up.

[00:25:04] Oh, God.

[00:25:05] Or something, you know?

[00:25:06] Just say racist shit about the French.

[00:25:08] Yeah, yeah.

[00:25:09] The fanglers are shite.

[00:25:11] Yeah, I know.

[00:25:12] You're just like, oh, cheers, Merle.

[00:25:13] Or dog.

[00:25:14] Dog turns up.

[00:25:15] Dog shows up.

[00:25:16] That would have been amazing.

[00:25:17] He starts looking at him.

[00:25:19] And Daryl's like, oh, buddy.

[00:25:21] But no, it was Isabel.

[00:25:23] And by the way, dog's still alive as far as we know.

[00:25:27] Yeah, in canon, dog is still alive.

[00:25:29] Yeah, in canon.

[00:25:30] But anyway, so that says something, you know, that he cared enough to hallucinate her.

[00:25:34] Yeah.

[00:25:35] Bon courage, Monsieur Dixon.

[00:25:36] It was very beautiful.

[00:25:37] Yeah.

[00:25:38] And I want to say on the record that I actually, I think the firefly motif is actually good.

[00:25:45] Like she, he talked about fireflies back home and fireflies are, I think, only in pretty,

[00:25:53] they're pretty rare.

[00:25:54] Yeah, we don't get them in California either.

[00:25:56] They're in the Midwest.

[00:25:57] And so it's something magical that she was looking forward to.

[00:26:03] And so as she was dying, she said something about fireflies and it was a little corny,

[00:26:08] especially in an episode that I already hated.

[00:26:10] So it was easy to bash on it.

[00:26:12] But if the rest of the episode was good, I wouldn't mind that because you're kind of

[00:26:15] not quite in your right mind and you're just thinking about what you wish were true.

[00:26:18] But, um, and then to have her go off in a, in a like little, um, gathering of fireflies

[00:26:25] around her.

[00:26:25] It was beautifully shot.

[00:26:26] Yeah.

[00:26:26] It was really beautifully shot.

[00:26:28] Like I say, the first time I was like, ugh, and then the second time I was like, ugh.

[00:26:31] It's all right.

[00:26:31] So I don't know what that says about me.

[00:26:34] And I even, when Carol, so Carol was hugging Sophia and I couldn't help but think, isn't

[00:26:40] that a zombie?

[00:26:41] Right?

[00:26:42] I full on thought Carol was going to die at that point.

[00:26:45] Yeah.

[00:26:45] But I don't know.

[00:26:45] I guess it was just air.

[00:26:47] She was hugging air.

[00:26:48] And then when Sophia started to walk away and she's like, can I come with you?

[00:26:51] And Sophia, um, turned back and then, yeah, it was sad.

[00:26:55] It was pretty moving.

[00:26:56] I found that really sad.

[00:26:58] The idea of, um, being allowed to go to the place that the person you've loved and lost

[00:27:04] is like, that's, that's heartbreaking.

[00:27:06] Like that really is.

[00:27:07] Um, and there was a point where I thought, fuck, Sophia's going to take her with her.

[00:27:10] And I was like, oh no, no, she's not for you.

[00:27:12] Um, so yeah, Carol's on her parallel journey and where she follows what she thinks of Sophia

[00:27:18] into the surface tunnel.

[00:27:21] And I was a bit like, when you just use the surface tunnel, it seems to be better Nick

[00:27:24] than the outside tunnel.

[00:27:26] So anyway, I wonder if they'll return to that in the next season.

[00:27:30] Um, and we see not only Sophia, but we see Carol as a zombie.

[00:27:35] We see Carol battle herself.

[00:27:37] Oh, we did.

[00:27:38] I didn't notice that.

[00:27:40] Hmm.

[00:27:40] Yeah.

[00:27:41] There's a zombie that's either it's Melissa McBride in zombie makeup or an extra who looks

[00:27:45] very like her, but that's who she's struggling with killing on the ground.

[00:27:49] I like that.

[00:27:50] Oh, oh, I thought that was just a child zombie.

[00:27:53] She didn't want to kill the child.

[00:27:53] Yeah.

[00:27:54] That was like her.

[00:27:55] Yeah, it was her.

[00:27:56] And then weirdly she doesn't kill it, but doesn't get bit.

[00:27:58] So I don't know what, if it was ever there at all.

[00:28:01] Right.

[00:28:01] Um, so that was fascinating.

[00:28:03] It reminded me a bit of Michonne's last episode where she sees herself in different ways.

[00:28:07] She is her own worst enemy sometimes Carol.

[00:28:10] Yeah.

[00:28:10] Yeah, she is.

[00:28:11] And she knows it.

[00:28:12] And you kind of see that with what she says to Ash earlier in the episode.

[00:28:16] Um, but yeah, Carol gives up killing herself and has this moment with Sophia.

[00:28:20] And there was just a moment where I was worried about her.

[00:28:23] There was a moment where I was like, fuck, what Carol?

[00:28:25] What if this is it?

[00:28:26] What if finding peace about Sophia is the end of her arc?

[00:28:29] Um, but thankfully it's not.

[00:28:30] Yeah.

[00:28:31] I sort of like, I want this to be going somewhere because every time she has some kind of an

[00:28:38] episode around Sophia, it's like, okay, she's sad and upset about Sophia.

[00:28:42] We know where's the progression here.

[00:28:45] There was a move, some moving moments with this one.

[00:28:48] So that kind of made it worthwhile.

[00:28:49] But I'm also like, do we get, can we get some progression or some kind of an arc with

[00:28:54] the story behind now?

[00:28:56] Really?

[00:28:56] Do you think that was a catharsis?

[00:28:58] Because to me, it just seemed like I'm really sad that she's leaving without me and I can't

[00:29:01] follow her and I'm going to continue to be upset about this.

[00:29:04] That's what earlier in the episode, she said she couldn't see her anymore.

[00:29:07] She couldn't see her face.

[00:29:08] Her face.

[00:29:08] Oh, here.

[00:29:10] Okay.

[00:29:11] Thank you.

[00:29:11] Symbols.

[00:29:12] That's why they pay me.

[00:29:13] You just keep doing the podcast and I'll listen.

[00:29:16] Yeah.

[00:29:17] I'm like, cause I'm getting a lot out of this.

[00:29:19] Okay.

[00:29:20] Um, it was funny cause it made me think about Rick and Carl and Rick saying that he lost

[00:29:24] Carl and wasn't able to see Carl's face.

[00:29:26] Yeah.

[00:29:26] Right.

[00:29:26] That's right.

[00:29:27] It's something without getting too emotional, um, about it.

[00:29:31] It is, it is difficult.

[00:29:32] I think when you lose someone to remember them a certain way and then you come, there comes

[00:29:37] a point where you think things less so now because of our digital lives and how we film

[00:29:41] everything and have photos, but like remembering someone's voice or remembering what they looked

[00:29:46] like.

[00:29:47] Thinking about my grandma right now.

[00:29:48] It's always really bothered me that in the zombie apocalypse, you lose that.

[00:29:52] Like I remember being heartbroken for Carl when he got that picture of his mom and dad

[00:29:56] for Judith and then presumably lost it when the prison was overrun because he wanted to

[00:30:00] show Judith what her mom looked like.

[00:30:02] And yeah, this idea of those memories slipping from your consciousness is it's really hard

[00:30:09] and it must feel particularly for a parent devastating to lose that connection.

[00:30:14] So, so we know the solution.

[00:30:15] Just sniff some batshit.

[00:30:18] Sniff some guano baby.

[00:30:20] You'll solve all your grief bombs.

[00:30:22] Um, yeah.

[00:30:23] And that was Carol's, that was Carol's, um, arc there.

[00:30:27] And then she finds Daryl.

[00:30:28] They put the masks on and they think that's over, huh?

[00:30:31] With Sophia.

[00:30:32] I don't think we'll never mention Sophia again.

[00:30:35] Cause that would be weird.

[00:30:36] They made a whole point this season of revisiting her grief about that.

[00:30:40] And you think this is the kind of the capper on it.

[00:30:42] I think that's the capper on that particular thing.

[00:30:45] Yeah.

[00:30:46] Next season, Henry.

[00:30:48] She did mention Henry and Lizzie.

[00:30:50] And Lizzie.

[00:30:50] I did laugh.

[00:30:52] I did.

[00:30:52] I don't know Sam justice for Sam.

[00:30:54] I did laugh when Daryl's like, that wasn't your fault.

[00:30:57] And I'm like, well, Lizzie kind of was her fault a little bit.

[00:30:59] No, I don't agree with that.

[00:31:01] Well, what's it?

[00:31:01] I mean, because she left them alone together.

[00:31:05] Is that why?

[00:31:06] Uh, Lizzie.

[00:31:07] No, she shot Lizzie.

[00:31:08] Yeah.

[00:31:08] But well, yeah, but I, I don't know if I, you know what I mean?

[00:31:13] Like she just found out that Lizzie killed, uh,

[00:31:16] because she was going to kill Judith next.

[00:31:19] Absolutely did the right thing.

[00:31:20] But I did just laugh when Daryl said it cause I was like, I mean,

[00:31:23] well, when he said that my first thought was it probably is kind of her fault.

[00:31:27] But when I thought back on it, I'm like, no, maybe not.

[00:31:31] Maybe none of that was her fault.

[00:31:33] And then when I thought that I'm like, that was such a nice thing of,

[00:31:36] of, uh, Daryl to say.

[00:31:38] And it reminded me of Good Will Hunting.

[00:31:40] Have you seen that?

[00:31:41] With, um,

[00:31:42] Robin Williams, the more, one of the more moving scenes in any movie he's

[00:31:47] with Matt day young, Matt Damon in a therapy session.

[00:31:50] And Matt Damon's been abused as you know,

[00:31:53] why his father, and he's just saying you're, it's not your fault, you know?

[00:31:56] And he's like, well, well, yeah, whatever.

[00:31:57] And he goes, it's not your fault.

[00:31:58] He just kept saying that over and again until Matt Damon broke down in tears.

[00:32:02] That always gets me.

[00:32:06] Um, yeah, I, I'm being glib.

[00:32:09] It obviously she did the right thing in that situation,

[00:32:12] but it just made me laugh because there are three very different cases.

[00:32:15] Yeah, they are.

[00:32:16] And no, I mean, I know Lou Temple for one does not think she did the right thing in that situation.

[00:32:21] So there's some room for debate there, but it was a tough situation.

[00:32:25] Yeah, it was.

[00:32:26] You don't cover that in like babysitting training.

[00:32:30] If one of the children tries to murder the other one, you're like,

[00:32:33] or actually does.

[00:32:34] Don't let them have a snack.

[00:32:36] I don't know.

[00:32:36] I'm like, grouch though.

[00:32:39] Time out.

[00:32:39] Time out.

[00:32:41] Okay.

[00:32:41] Well, you just.

[00:32:42] So that's my tunnel, channel point.

[00:32:43] Yeah.

[00:32:44] I'm going to go through some of my channel notes and then I'll do a new, a fresh point.

[00:32:48] Have you ever done the channel?

[00:32:51] Yeah.

[00:32:51] We have, right?

[00:32:52] You did the train or drove, yeah.

[00:32:54] Or probably a train.

[00:32:56] Yeah.

[00:32:56] Train.

[00:32:57] And, uh, it's so for people who don't know, I think it's pretty clear, but it's, it's called

[00:33:04] the channel tunnel or the nickname is the channel.

[00:33:06] It goes underneath the English channel, which is the body of water between France and England.

[00:33:11] I read it's 23.5 miles or 37.9 kilometers long.

[00:33:16] And, um, what's the, the Scottish woman's name?

[00:33:20] Shawna.

[00:33:21] Uh, Shona.

[00:33:22] Shona.

[00:33:23] Shona says it's a nine hour walk.

[00:33:25] I think she said for them.

[00:33:27] They, and, uh, I just thought it was a great setting to go through a long, dark tunnel in

[00:33:33] the zombie apocalypse.

[00:33:34] You don't know what the hell is down there and it's underwater.

[00:33:37] And I love, there was water leaking from the top.

[00:33:40] Like this thing could collapse at any moment.

[00:33:42] And then adding the psychoactive bat shit, which chat GPT says guano itself isn't psychoactive

[00:33:49] and doesn't cause hallucinations.

[00:33:50] However, it can contain high levels of ammonia and pathogens, which if inhaled and enclosed

[00:33:56] spaces can cause respiratory issues, dizziness and disorientation.

[00:34:00] And in extreme cases, this might create sensations that could be confused with hallucinations.

[00:34:05] So it was trying to, um, you know, go there, rationalize it as best as it could.

[00:34:13] Uh, and that, that, this kind of the whole checkpoint with the dead military soldiers kind of reminded

[00:34:19] me of the last of us.

[00:34:21] You see a lot of that kind of thing there.

[00:34:23] Um, and I liked when they mentioned the bioluminescence eds, bioluminescence,

[00:34:30] and somebody said bioluminescence and Daryl said like fireflies, which got him thinking

[00:34:34] about Isabelle.

[00:34:35] I thought that was kind of nice.

[00:34:36] Um, and when he reached for the gas mask and Angus hit him and took the mask for he

[00:34:45] and Shona, I think our reaction as walking dead fans is those guys are fucking evil.

[00:34:54] But I, if we'd followed them this whole time, I mean, Daryl killed them, right?

[00:35:02] I was quite shocked with how killed they were.

[00:35:05] Like they, yeah, the first time I watched it, they came off as really sinister.

[00:35:10] Like it came off as like, oh, they, they're being really cutthroat.

[00:35:14] The second time I'm like, he's seeing all this through the haze of disorientation and

[00:35:18] hallucinating.

[00:35:19] Wouldn't you be looking out for yourself?

[00:35:21] Doesn't he effectively just do the same thing back?

[00:35:23] He does.

[00:35:24] Yeah.

[00:35:25] Cause they made a point to say there's only enough gas masks for the two of us.

[00:35:29] So I, I, um, I think maybe there could have been a way to do that where they could have

[00:35:36] all helped each other.

[00:35:37] But at the same time, I think we've seen our main characters do shit like this a lot, you

[00:35:43] know?

[00:35:44] So anyway, uh, yeah.

[00:35:47] And then Carol and Daryl continue onward through the channel towards England with you can't

[00:35:52] always get what you want playing in the background, which seems like it might, must've been expensive

[00:35:57] to get that song.

[00:35:58] I feel like music's expensive.

[00:36:01] I, I, I had a kind of last of us esque, well, maybe not that just general zombie apocalypse

[00:36:06] esque hesitation about the tunnel, which is wouldn't have, I don't know.

[00:36:13] I sort of thought in another version of the story, wouldn't it have been commandeered

[00:36:19] by some kind of crooked group or a military or something?

[00:36:23] It seemed weird to me that you could just walk into it.

[00:36:26] Um, I guess the system of checkpoints within it makes sense.

[00:36:29] Yeah.

[00:36:29] But yeah, I was sort of like, wouldn't you expect like someone power hungry, like a

[00:36:34] Negan type figure to have taken command of it?

[00:36:36] Cause it's, it's a huge resource at that point being able to get back and forth.

[00:36:40] Um, so it surprised me that it was so quiet around it, but it worked.

[00:36:44] Well, maybe the breakdown in the military happened recently.

[00:36:47] Yeah.

[00:36:48] That's what I was thinking.

[00:36:49] Something like that.

[00:36:49] I don't know.

[00:36:50] Um, it's, it's a good, I mean, it's, I guess it's an interesting interpretation to have

[00:36:53] it not be that as opposed to what it, what it always is.

[00:36:57] Um, but yeah, it's true.

[00:36:58] I mean, they don't have time for that.

[00:37:00] Gotta get through.

[00:37:01] They're like, no, we can't establish another.

[00:37:03] No, it's fine.

[00:37:04] Just get them in the tunnel.

[00:37:05] Get them in the tunnel.

[00:37:06] And you, guano.

[00:37:07] Like, oh, like.

[00:37:09] Yeah.

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[00:38:36] So I want to do a point on tribalism, biases and racism.

[00:38:44] Did you know that Fallu helped his racist neighbor?

[00:38:46] He's so hot.

[00:38:47] Because he did.

[00:38:49] Yeah.

[00:38:49] So he's telling his racist neighbor told him you should go back with your people.

[00:38:54] And then the zombie apocalypse happened and Fallu stayed in his flat hoping it would pass.

[00:39:00] And then he got a knock at the door with his neighbor holding his unconscious two year old.

[00:39:04] And Fallu got her breathing again.

[00:39:06] And he said he saw gratitude in her father's eyes, which, um, yeah, I guess you could, you could tell that.

[00:39:14] So then Angus says, so the apocalypse put an end to racism and everyone kind of chuckles.

[00:39:21] And Fallu says, maybe it leveled the field a tiny bit.

[00:39:24] Only two kinds of people.

[00:39:26] Now the dead and the living, which reminded me.

[00:39:29] And I think I would assume this is on purpose in the second episode of the walking dead when Merle spouting out a bunch of racist crap and Rick handcuffs into a pipe.

[00:39:37] And, and he says, look here, Merle, things are different.

[00:39:40] Now there are no, and he actually says the N word anymore.

[00:39:43] No dumb as shit inbred white trash fools either.

[00:39:46] Only dark meat and white meat.

[00:39:48] There's us in the dead.

[00:39:49] We survive this by pulling together, not apart.

[00:39:52] And, um, so it's just an echo of that.

[00:39:56] I feel like I thought about that light as well.

[00:39:59] It's like, oh yeah.

[00:40:00] So, but then it was interesting in the same episode where fully was sort of saying, maybe it leveled things out a bit as far as biases and racism goes that in the other parts of the episode, we see those biases more than usual.

[00:40:13] And, and, and flu says that, you know, this couple that he met the demo monitor here to help Daryl and Carol get to England.

[00:40:22] And from there, they may be able to find a way across to America.

[00:40:24] I'm like, why, why not just find a place?

[00:40:28] Why do you have to go to England?

[00:40:29] But, oh, well, whatever, I guess we'll figure out.

[00:40:31] So then we get these Scots, uh, Shona and Angus and Carol asks flu.

[00:40:37] They speak English and flu says they're from Scotland.

[00:40:40] So, and Codron says, no, which is a dig.

[00:40:44] Rawr, rawr, rawr, rawr.

[00:40:46] That's a stereotype, right?

[00:40:48] That it's hard to understand, I guess.

[00:40:50] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:40:51] So I get the sense, and maybe I already kind of knew this, but I hadn't really thought about it, that there's sort of a rivalry vibe between the English and the Scottish, right?

[00:41:02] Just a little bit.

[00:41:02] Yeah, a little bit.

[00:41:03] Yeah.

[00:41:04] Mostly friendly or is it like serious?

[00:41:06] Uh, no.

[00:41:07] I could talk about this for quite a long time.

[00:41:08] Interesting.

[00:41:09] Um, it's, it's interesting.

[00:41:10] It all, how long have you got really?

[00:41:14] And I think it all comes down to the idea that Scotland views itself as having been colonized by the English at various points.

[00:41:22] And some, some nasty shit did go down with like the Highland clearances where loads of Highlanders in Scotland were cleared off their land and, and starved out.

[00:41:31] But the Scots aren't angels in any of that, but it's, it's a running joke that when, in fact, did we not watch the football when you were over and Peter and I were like, oh, we'll watch because England are getting played.

[00:41:41] Like, and the running joke is the Scots will support whoever was playing England.

[00:41:46] Um, yeah, it's a long and complicated history and it all ties into like whether people want to be part of the union or not as well.

[00:41:54] That's a huge thing.

[00:41:55] Like a lot of the sectarian violence that, um, happens in Ireland and then what certain parts of Scotland is to do with people who feel loyalty to the crown, uh, who are generally Protestant and people who feel, um, that they don't want to be a part of that particular union and they want their, their individual freedom who tend to fall down on the Catholic side of things.

[00:42:17] So that's a very oversimplified version of a lot of history.

[00:42:21] Um, Derek's, Derek's really good on this.

[00:42:24] Derek's cause he's from Ireland.

[00:42:25] He's got a lot of nuance about it, but yeah, the stuff he was saying that Angus was saying, um, is not, it's not shocking.

[00:42:35] Like I've heard people say stuff like that, but it is a bit like, well, and there was, it was also between the French, like Falu says to Alika, they say it's better in England.

[00:42:45] And she goes, I went to London when I was little, the food was terrible.

[00:42:48] And that's a very stereotypical thing for the French to think about the English.

[00:42:52] And the, and when I went to France, the food was incredible.

[00:42:55] Although I don't like creamy French food, but I like the way this is just my opinion, but we went to like a Vietnamese restaurant in France and the food was just prepared.

[00:43:06] So like for presentation as well as taste, just so beautiful, beautifully.

[00:43:11] And then I go to England and it's like mushy peas and meat pie and, um, you know, fish and chips, which I love all of that too.

[00:43:20] But it's just a little more like, yeah, meat and potatoes kind of.

[00:43:24] Oh my God.

[00:43:25] And then you get up to Scotland and it's like, yeah, even worse.

[00:43:27] Haggis.

[00:43:28] I love Haggis.

[00:43:29] Haggis.

[00:43:29] That's why I laugh when people are like, you should eat seasonally and locally.

[00:43:32] I'm like, sure.

[00:43:33] If we did that in Scotland, it would literally just be like oats and potatoes most of the year, apart from a bit where we get really good berries.

[00:43:40] So we probably wouldn't get rickets.

[00:43:41] Um, yeah, it was, it was, I always find it interesting watching Scottish people on TV because I always feel a bit like, well, Scottish characters.

[00:43:49] I always get a bit cringy.

[00:43:50] I'm like, oh God, is that what we're like?

[00:43:53] Can we do a quick whiskey tangent?

[00:43:55] Yeah.

[00:43:56] We're talking about food.

[00:43:57] So one of the things I really wanted to do in Scotland was go to the distillery of my favorite whiskey place, Talisker.

[00:44:04] I discovered them because they had these Game of Thrones, uh, whiskeys.

[00:44:09] And my favorite one was the one from Talisker, which was paired with the Greyjoy family.

[00:44:13] Cause it's by the sea.

[00:44:14] Yeah.

[00:44:14] And so we did get together and it was a delight.

[00:44:17] And now since then I've just been going down this whiskey rabbit hole, buying up all kinds of scotches.

[00:44:22] I like scotch better than bourbon,

[00:44:24] but I've been learning about it.

[00:44:25] And, um, whisk, uh, scotch has to be barley, malted barley and bourbons are made mostly with corn.

[00:44:33] They have to be at least 51% corn.

[00:44:35] But just in recent years, I found out recently in the last like 15 years, but more in the last like five years,

[00:44:42] American single malts have become a thing.

[00:44:44] So they're making malts here and there are now like twice as many, uh, malt distilleries in America than there are in Scotland.

[00:44:53] Because America is so huge.

[00:44:55] Cause it's huge, right?

[00:44:56] So I ordered one.

[00:44:57] I'm going to try it.

[00:44:58] And it's from Seattle, this place called Westland who, where the weather is like Scotland.

[00:45:03] I was literally going to say Pacific Northwest.

[00:45:05] You're on really similar territory.

[00:45:07] So barley grows better there.

[00:45:09] Yeah.

[00:45:10] Cause when we went to Victoria and BC for the first time, uh, like years ago, it was like 2017.

[00:45:15] I remember we got off the seaplane and I was like, Oh my God, this weather is so British.

[00:45:21] And Victoria is like a mini Britain.

[00:45:24] Um, and yeah, I remember being like, Oh, the it's maybe five degrees warmer consistently year round than it would be here.

[00:45:30] But it makes sense to me that Seattle would be the kind of place where you could do a good distillery.

[00:45:35] Um, in terms of like water supply and barley and whatnot.

[00:45:39] I can't wait to try it.

[00:45:41] And they're like, there, there's a very strict rules about what can, how you can make a scotch.

[00:45:45] You have to be in a certain kind of still.

[00:45:47] And so they're trying to establish rules about American single malts, but they're trying to leave room for more innovation where you can use different types of, um, barleys and things, but also not make it so wide that it doesn't count as a category.

[00:46:00] Anyway, I probably went way too far down that rabbit hole.

[00:46:02] Sorry, people who don't care, but, um, I'm just really into it right now.

[00:46:06] If anyone's interested, Japan do really good.

[00:46:08] Yeah.

[00:46:08] Single malts.

[00:46:09] And they're, they have their own style.

[00:46:12] Of course.

[00:46:12] It was like businessmen came over in like the noughties and late nineties and really like analyzed every single element of what made scotch good.

[00:46:20] Nika.

[00:46:20] Yes.

[00:46:21] And then they went back and implemented it and it's pretty decent.

[00:46:24] Like it's really, really good.

[00:46:25] There are like a lot of citrusy ones from there.

[00:46:27] I understand.

[00:46:28] I like quite a light one anyway.

[00:46:30] Yeah.

[00:46:30] Yeah.

[00:46:30] I mean, there's so many different types, but we could have totally done that as a tangent time, but oh well.

[00:46:34] Anyway, back to this whole thing.

[00:46:36] So then also, um, uh, when they get to this checkpoint and somebody asked, why is it so close to France?

[00:46:43] And Angus says to keep out the fucking French and Codronin goes, Hey, relax, man.

[00:46:46] So there's all these like tensions coming out about, um, how, but then I loved also when they first come up to the checkpoint and they think some people might be there.

[00:46:57] The, the British army and, um, Shona's like, we're British.

[00:47:01] God save the queen.

[00:47:02] So she's playing up there.

[00:47:03] So there's all these like tribal differences, but, but, um, Scots and English are all British.

[00:47:08] So they're trying to play up their similarities there.

[00:47:10] That was interesting.

[00:47:12] You will so rarely get a Scottish person who says they're British.

[00:47:14] Like I don't, if there's an option on a forum to say white Scottish rather than white British, I'll be white Scottish.

[00:47:19] Um, and I don't know why, because I'm not consciously sitting there thinking like, fuck the empire.

[00:47:24] I mean, I am a little bit, but not all the time.

[00:47:26] Yeah.

[00:47:26] You want to keep your identity, right?

[00:47:28] Your Scottish.

[00:47:29] Yeah.

[00:47:29] You're sort of looking for it and saying, yeah, I am Scottish.

[00:47:31] I don't see myself as being British.

[00:47:33] But you live in England.

[00:47:34] So that, so you're not totally anti.

[00:47:37] I know it's weird.

[00:47:39] Like, it's funny.

[00:47:40] We used to joke when we first got back here that it felt stranger living in England than it did living in Canada because everything was just a little bit different from home.

[00:47:49] Whereas in Canada, everything was quite different.

[00:47:51] So it felt like you were in a new place and things like that.

[00:47:52] Whereas here I'm like, oh, things are just a little bit weird.

[00:47:56] Yeah.

[00:47:57] Right, right, right.

[00:47:58] That's interesting.

[00:48:00] So I don't really have a whole lot to say about that.

[00:48:02] I just thought it was, it was, it was, uh, it really stood out that people were being kind of rude about people from other places.

[00:48:12] But I found it interesting.

[00:48:14] I'm kind of glad they had it in there for some reason because it feels like how people really are, I guess.

[00:48:46] Yeah.

[00:48:48] you can't generalize too much but there's this one podcast i listen to that's a comic book podcast

[00:48:53] called house to astonish and they're fucking hilarious and they're two scottish guys

[00:48:58] we're very we like you know we like being aggressively friendly but with emphasis on

[00:49:04] the aggressive sometimes um i'm trying to i kind of went through this quite

[00:49:09] yeah do you want to zero in on anything else yeah well i asked chat gpt

[00:49:16] i did a jason i asked chat gpt is french health care good because they made a joke about french

[00:49:21] health care in this episode right yeah i couldn't tell if that was a slight it was sarcastic or not

[00:49:25] well chat gpt says french health care is often regarded as one of the best in the world

[00:49:30] it offers universal coverage meaning all residents have access to medical services and it is funded

[00:49:35] through a combination of taxes and social security contributions the system is known for its high

[00:49:40] quality of care extensive range of services and relatively low out-of-pocket costs for patients

[00:49:45] france consistently ranks high in global assessments particularly in areas like life expectancy and

[00:49:50] patient satisfaction however like any system it has its challenges such as waiting times for certain

[00:49:56] services and regional disparities in access to care so like yeah apparently is quite good

[00:50:03] um the i one of the things that bothered me about this episode was i felt like we're jumping sometimes

[00:50:10] in a way that's unsatisfactory so we open this episode they're at the airfield and then suddenly

[00:50:16] we're on the road with faloo and kudron and these two women one of whom we might have met previously

[00:50:21] the other of whom who also disappears in this episode i don't know where she ends up

[00:50:26] but alika are you talking about the one he ends up with uh no no there's another one there's yeah but

[00:50:32] the one he ends up with i'm like oh yeah her wait a minute we've never seen her before who is this and

[00:50:38] who is she with and how did she just pop and it doesn't seem like faloo knows her he's just meeting

[00:50:42] her so where'd she come from i'm confused so the girl she's with i think was at the nest but has no

[00:50:48] lines in this episode and then disappears um i liked that alika was nice to horses i was like well

[00:50:53] you're better than sherry what's that you want your horse to be hydrated and not die um she's a keeper

[00:51:01] faloo um but yeah they have this they stop at this creepy hospital um which i'm just like surely this would

[00:51:07] be picked dry i don't know i mean i guess you would try you would go in and see what was there um

[00:51:12] get a necklace cool necklace yeah he got a cool necklace um i enjoyed the optics of these people who'd

[00:51:19] clearly been tethered before they died so that they wouldn't be able to to roam around but then of

[00:51:24] course the evil lieutenant is there looking for the plane and the cause is not dead they just show up

[00:51:29] everywhere yacinta survived doing cadron's like oh shit um and then we have another save shoot where

[00:51:36] someone comes in and shoots and everyone's like oh and they save cadron and faloo right gotta have at

[00:51:42] least one or two of those per episode yeah so cadron does know where they are he knows where the hangar

[00:51:47] is and so they head there to save them um i guess i was just a bit like i really thought the storyline

[00:51:54] was dead like over dinner peter was like so they really liked it past the parcel with who the villain

[00:51:59] was this season right yeah reassigned it like like a relay and i'm like yeah and i was like i think it

[00:52:04] went from highest paid actor to lowest paid actor it was jenna and then it was lo sang and then it was

[00:52:10] i i heard her called jacinta this episode but i swear lo sang called her hasinta so i don't know

[00:52:16] but anyway i thought it was jacinta or yes and then i mean you would think that that other

[00:52:22] one that's always second in command would get a promotion at some point but

[00:52:26] daryl and carol are like oh we don't care about you we're going to england

[00:52:30] yeah the biggest the gap that confused me the most is like so the plane leaves

[00:52:35] jacinta shoots herself yeah nothing happens everyone just walks off and it's like right

[00:52:40] because it's calm after that huh yeah well we don't know we we literally it's calm they're all

[00:52:46] up jacinta kills herself and then next thing we know they're heading into paris to go and meet

[00:52:50] the scot we've got to get past these gotta get quick we don't have time for that yeah i was just like

[00:52:54] okay cool um so yeah all of this to say this leads to the kind of airfield scene um and parallel to it

[00:53:02] we've also got anna i was kind of bummed to see anna again not because i don't like her character but

[00:53:07] because i thought we did a good farewell i know and if you see her again that means she might die which

[00:53:12] she did which she did because obviously she was going to because she gave us backstory in the first

[00:53:17] two seconds of being on screen she's like i once lived on the street when i was a singer where's

[00:53:22] my mother i come from this i was like ah you're dead no one survives that and it also felt rushed

[00:53:27] like let me give you my character card here so that we you can develop some sympathy for me

[00:53:32] really quick and then you see her to be fair fair play to her she does her best by laurent and guides

[00:53:40] them through the garage where we know that zombies are yeah but now i think that i was questioning

[00:53:47] whether she intended to betray laurent because i mean they wanted us to think that because we've

[00:53:54] seen her betray him before and then it seemed like on my first watch oh no the whole time that she

[00:54:00] she was planning on you know guiding these people into a dangerous spot but i don't think so

[00:54:05] on second watch because well a why not just lead them somewhere completely different she led them

[00:54:12] close to where the plane was and and then they made a point of having her see the eiffel tower

[00:54:18] which made the picture of the eiffel tower which made her think of laurent so i think maybe that's

[00:54:22] when she decided no i can't betray them i'm going to lead these guys through this dangerous garage which

[00:54:27] how does she know the garage is dangerous but whatever i know that was my reading where she sees the

[00:54:33] eiffel tower and then it's that's when she decided to be good yeah so like sure and then of course she

[00:54:39] gets ripped apart by zeds and doesn't seem to notice by the way she's just like got just a look

[00:54:44] on her face she's so blase about everything and she did die in quite a cool way in the sense of

[00:54:49] literally she was very chill about it she was like yeah whatever come see come saw um so yeah it was all

[00:54:58] all a bit weird and i felt like the stakes were never really that high for me i was like carol's

[00:55:03] obviously going to get off the plane so all those shots where you saw just ash going like yeah fuck

[00:55:07] you motherfuckers and things like that i was like carol's clearly not in there anymore she got out to go

[00:55:12] and save daryl right and i was trying to figure out when she got out and he she looks over at him when

[00:55:19] the plane is still parked and says are we good and he goes yeah so i guess she meant you don't need my

[00:55:25] help with the plane anymore and i'm going to get off right now and try to help you because

[00:55:28] then we see the plane taxiing and you see ash a couple times just cussing up a storm and they don't

[00:55:35] show the seat next to him whether it's empty or not lauren's like i did not know there were so many

[00:55:40] nasty words in the english language and he's like yeah perfect and he's like i don't like this

[00:55:49] um yeah so i don't know how did you feel about the plane and the escape from the race course

[00:55:54] it just seemed like let's all of it was so rushed that i felt it was a bit going through the motions

[00:56:01] like here's an action movie scene i mean it was okay it was fine but i wasn't caught up in it like

[00:56:07] i'd love to be i felt kind of outside it because it just felt so rushed and even like anna you know

[00:56:14] doing the right thing i wish i would have been more moved by that i don't know i don't know i mean

[00:56:21] the whole episode for the most part i just kind of felt like i should be feeling more here i should

[00:56:28] this this is a cool setup or whatever's happening is moving but i'm not feeling it for the most part

[00:56:34] as much as i wish i would so it was okay i'm not like as down on this episode as i was about the two

[00:56:39] middle ones but um it was fine yeah i think that's where i'm at with it as well i'm just sort of like

[00:56:46] right like guess that's the end of those two chapters of this particular story yeah and it

[00:56:53] really does wrap i mean au revoir à la france like that's it for france i think on this show and

[00:56:59] this was meant to be the capper of the everything we've seen so far and in that sense a little bit

[00:57:05] of a disappointment you know yeah i felt very nostalgic when they arrived at the meeting point

[00:57:10] where it really looked like the place where fallu where cadron's brother died i don't know if it was the

[00:57:15] same place and like the violin music was playing they're like na na na na na na and i was like

[00:57:21] remember when the show was like so fresh in that first season and yeah i'm hoping that they managed

[00:57:27] to revive it a bit in season three because at the moment it feels a bit like they cleared the decks

[00:57:32] really quickly and it's left us reeling a little bit and there was a lot of frustration there so i'm

[00:57:37] hoping that whatever comes next is better i think where this you know i'm not convinced that carol

[00:57:46] coming back is what made the show worse as much maybe some but i think the bigger problem is they

[00:57:54] just didn't do a great job of cramming everything they wanted to do into six episodes and i think

[00:57:59] that's where most of the problems come from and it's kind of like the last part of game of thrones they

[00:58:04] just uh definitely crushed things to the point where a lot of things didn't work or just weren't

[00:58:10] as um didn't feel as natural they felt contrived a lot of the times yeah and so i don't know if they

[00:58:17] should have just maybe tried to tell half the amount of story or just begged for three more episodes or

[00:58:25] what i don't know what the solution or just kept you know finished this season with like the battle at

[00:58:31] the nest or something i don't know yeah it's it's weird it's weird um but that's kind of it for my

[00:58:37] main points i think okay let's get into notes um i liked carol's one-liner about being allowed carry-on

[00:58:46] and it being a crossbow oh i know me too ash allowed one piece of carry-on yeah and it was a sweet moment

[00:58:52] that she brought him back his you know iconic weapon it's great and i like i quite liked it well

[00:59:00] it was dumb but the way that carol and daryl were both like no i'm staying no i'm staying i was like

[00:59:05] of course they haven't had a discussion about this of course they're just like assuming one thing or

[00:59:09] another well no i think daryl already told her that he was saying maybe i'm wrong about that i forget

[00:59:14] um laurent was sweet with carol i feel like he she doesn't quite know herself around him a little bit

[00:59:21] because he's so he's quite an unnerving kid in how perceptive he is about certain things yeah um when

[00:59:27] he's talking to her about ash and he says i don't think he likes me um and kind of what he said

[00:59:32] about people shouldn't lie but i'm glad you did i think she kind of needed to hear that a little bit

[00:59:36] yes some good had come of it but then when she said you have a really special way of seeing things

[00:59:41] don't you i i didn't quite buy that i did i felt it didn't land and i wanted him to say don't patronize

[00:59:48] me lady do you want a cookie i can give you cookies no daryl comes in like why don't you just come over

[00:59:55] here buddy um i thought it was interesting what ash said about there's no word for widow when it's a

[01:00:04] kid loss um i thought that was quite powerful um and daryl saying he worries about plenty i i would

[01:00:10] say daryl does have kids because he does yeah he's got judas he's got rj yes and yeah i i mean i had a

[01:00:17] whole point on it but i didn't really go through it because we kind of covered it in different points

[01:00:20] but there really was this theme about um those grieving those you've lost but that um you find

[01:00:29] purpose in those who are still here ash found purpose in laurent's you know and um when daryl

[01:00:36] told carol you know she started crying because she as you mentioned couldn't picture sophia's face

[01:00:44] anymore and he said something like we keep going you know that's what we do and i thought it was

[01:00:49] really sweet but on a meta level i'm like that's what you guys do you've been going for 12 years

[01:00:54] 14 years now i did think for the carol shippers of carol and daryl um i did think that was the

[01:01:01] closest i've come to thinking they might kiss was in that hug oh and then like no they didn't and i'm

[01:01:07] glad they did i personally am glad they didn't me too yeah but i feel like for the shippers that was

[01:01:10] a nice moment too um i loved ash's aviator shades and flight jacket i don't know if he had that on

[01:01:17] the way out or if i've just forgotten it but i thought he looked very cool um and yeah like you

[01:01:21] i thought suck it motherfucker was a really funny thing to shout with a child in the back of the plane

[01:01:26] when ash puts his shades on in the morning he looks in the mirror he goes fuck yeah

[01:01:29] yeah the top gun theme plays and he's like

[01:01:33] i loved aflu's girlfriend being like uh let's say goodbye again that was cute i was like oh they're

[01:01:46] they're in love that's nice um it was very rushed but i am glad fully didn't die i'll take a rushed

[01:01:51] contrived romance over fully down point me too same um and that is me i think i enjoyed shona telling

[01:02:01] angus to shut up because he just pissed them off uh in the tunnel which i thought was probably pretty

[01:02:06] accurate to be honest and yeah we finish with carol and daryl saying let's go home and then you

[01:02:12] can't always get what you want and yeah i know that they're heading elsewhere so we will see what comes

[01:02:17] they don't want another season of the show they just want to go home please home

[01:02:25] uh okay my notes so laurent said in french or in france that the dandelion is called uh

[01:02:33] pis en lit which translates to pee in bed and and that's true i looked it up chat dbt says this name

[01:02:42] comes from the plant's diuretic properties eating dandelion greens can make you need to urinate more

[01:02:46] frequently dandelion leaves were traditionally used as a natural remedy to promote kidney health

[01:02:52] in the uk it's also wishes i think you wish if you blow a dandelion um it's been a long time since i

[01:02:58] did that but i think that is what it is okay cool um ash is looking for a hose long enough to run

[01:03:06] through an external tank so they don't have to stop and i when i was looking about how a small plane

[01:03:13] could cross the atlantic i read that they do like you can have extra tanks and you have to switch the

[01:03:20] fuel source mid-flight so he will do anything anyway not to have to stop in greenland now because

[01:03:26] he hates greenland so laurent the traumatized little french boy he's never been on a plane is going to

[01:03:32] be like hanging off the wing like i'm just gonna put the hose come on kid fucking get it in there

[01:03:39] he's like the reason i took the rod is he's got very small hands so it makes it easier to do this

[01:03:43] manual labor excellent ash you're my favorite weirdo

[01:03:49] yeah that's about all the notes i had i was curious to ask if there's anything in particular

[01:03:54] that you're hoping for next season i want to see london now they've teased it and i'm like well

[01:04:00] they're going in the fucking tunnel i'll be really pissed off if the first episode is them and like the

[01:04:04] alhambra and i'm like well they go through the tunnel and they come out in spain it's weird

[01:04:09] something about the apocalypse someone rebuilt it that's so odd i had a curious a curiosity do you

[01:04:15] know daryl's dog tags is there a backstory to those listeners help me out i feel like there's something

[01:04:22] with that are they his grandfathers oh yeah that's what because um yes because when isabel said to him

[01:04:30] you know ghost isabel uh you won't die here like he did and he looks and there's some dude and i'm

[01:04:37] like yeah who's the dude well that's his grandpa right from world war ii he's hallucinating his

[01:04:42] grandpa and i think the dog tags he got those through his family or something i forget or something

[01:04:48] like i don't know she's like who's this dude no one is was like my ex-boyfriend anyway moving on

[01:04:53] he's dead you don't care anyway i'm hoping that they get they do a better job with the pacing because

[01:05:01] i think if they can do that that they really do a lot of other things really well yeah peter says we

[01:05:07] have to do a bingo card of um what what we need to see in spain to make it spanish because he was

[01:05:14] like well in france you saw the eiffel tower the arc de triomphe the catacombs and i was like right

[01:05:19] we'll have to do our spanish hit list and peter's like if no one gets in a bullfight i'm just going

[01:05:23] to be really like i doubt that that's going to happen but you know i don't know the spanish

[01:05:28] landmarks well but i just you know you have to see gaudy architecture that's the i was thinking

[01:05:34] sagrada familia in barcelona that was my my guess but we'll see well only on the walking dead would

[01:05:40] smelling batshit lead to poignant cathartic moments oh do you think that's why we say that's batshit when

[01:05:47] we say something's a bit mad maybe so we just figured that yeah batshit crazy they all went

[01:05:52] batshit crazy in fact that was the original title for this episode book of batshit crazy

[01:05:59] only it was french so it sounded dead classy um only on the walking dead would you send your

[01:06:07] treasured prodigal child away in a plane with a man you met two weeks ago in the back seat and that

[01:06:13] would be like the best ending and that would be the happiest ending that the kid send the kid away

[01:06:18] from carol in a plane in a plane a very dodgy plane where he might have to change the fuel time but

[01:06:25] anyway it's fine it's all good all right that is our show episode 610 thanks for listening everybody to

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[01:08:28] thanks for listening don't get bit bethany watchers spoilers oh yeah i forgot so um

[01:08:36] we're doing our spoiler segments there will be spoilers in this segment in case that wasn't clear

[01:08:43] so if you don't yeah that's it bye no um if you don't want any spoilers you should just stop

[01:08:49] listening bye so uh i mean you sent me an article but actually listeners have been writing to us

[01:08:55] about this through most of the season yeah they probably think we're idiots but i actually

[01:09:01] looked somebody sent me pictures a few weeks back of them dressing up spain like england

[01:09:09] interesting so they put up like phone boxes and things so i guess where did you see um when you

[01:09:17] were in your bathrobe and you were hanging out with norman reedis alicante it's in valencia and

[01:09:23] there's a big um set of filming studios near there which is why they were in alicante and is

[01:09:29] there like i guess uh the architecture in parts of spain is close enough to england that it could pass

[01:09:36] as english i mean i guess they're not going to show gaudi buildings in that yeah i mean the pictures i

[01:09:43] saw of it did look like that like it could be english you know as far as i know i've been to um

[01:09:49] barcelona and i know some buildings didn't seem particularly spanish but um that blows my theory

[01:09:59] away about you know them wanting to film in europe so they could actually appreciate the authentic

[01:10:06] locations if they're going to be filming in spain because it's cheaper but saying it's england then

[01:10:10] that blows that away i think it i think it costs a shit ton to film in the uk like i think because

[01:10:15] like marvel have a monopoly on um well they've filmed in a lot of the the kind of big studios

[01:10:20] down near london in fact have you been watching the franchise no oh no is that hbo it's a yeah

[01:10:26] yeah it's set in one of those um kind of big complexes there it would be amazing to see

[01:10:34] london apocalyptic london but i'm a bit sad if it's not really going to be london yeah it's kind

[01:10:39] of the way i feel like often they use glasgow for like philadelphia or vancouver it's like every city

[01:10:44] ever on netflix so i'm a bit like take care of it a little bit yeah last of us they used i forget

[01:10:50] edmonton for boston and i was kind of bummed about that yeah because edmonton like it's quite distinct

[01:10:57] like it's quite distinctive in that it's like a prairie city over yeah i was like oh there's edmonton

[01:11:03] so i mean we don't know for sure but it seems like we've been talking about they'll be in spain

[01:11:09] next season but it seems like they might not be in spain and at one point norman reedus was talking

[01:11:15] about a season four also filming in spain so maybe they will actually go to spain in season four who

[01:11:20] knows why would i think i'm kind of a bit like but why would you go up to london yeah that's true

[01:11:25] who knows who's to say it'll probably just be in england but hello you're in england like that's a

[01:11:31] really bad english accent i'm so sorry everyone um yeah my one of my step sisters had a boyfriend once

[01:11:37] who was from london and literally he had spent his whole life with us just going you sound like

[01:11:42] you're from london which was just not they broke up i don't think that was the main reason but yeah

[01:11:47] apologize for that terrible accent um yeah i guess we'll see i'm i mean i'm i'm open-minded but it

[01:11:55] makes more sense to see that than for them to be directly in spain yeah i will equally be disappointed

[01:12:00] if we don't get real england and real spain yeah and uh i mean one uh well i love england i i love

[01:12:10] england i would like to go spend a year there or more yeah but um one positive just other than the

[01:12:18] fact that england's great if it is said in england next season is they won't have to we won't have to

[01:12:23] roll our eyes every time everyone knows english yeah you know although all joking aside london has

[01:12:31] got a crazy amount of languages in it like the amount of people in london who speaks like different

[01:12:36] languages yeah it's i love being on the bus in london because you just hear like everyone it's

[01:12:41] great yeah my favorite is when it's german people because they think i can't understand them but i can't

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