629: "Claimed" (TWD S4E11 Rewatch)

[00:00:00] Hmm? Ah! Oh. We need each other, partner. Even with all that gear on your shoulder, you won't last a night. Not by yourself. I'll take my chances. I'm gonna have to insist that you hold the hell up. Alright, believe it or not, the fate of the entire damn human race might depend on it.

[00:00:31] What the hell are you talking about? Who is this guy? I'm Sergeant Abraham Ford, and these are my companions. Rosita Espinosa and Dr. Eugene Porter. We're on a mission to get Eugene to Washington, D.C. Eugene's a scientist. And he knows exactly what caused this mess.

[00:01:23] Hey Zedheads, welcome to the podcast. I'm Jason. And I'm Lucy. And I'm Renee. What? And this is The Cast of Us episode 629. And this episode we're covering The Walking Dead season 4 episode 11, Claimed. Welcome Renee. It's so awesome to have you on. Renee's here. Yay! I'm so happy to be here. Hi. When did you start watching The Walking Dead? I forget. At the very beginning, 14 years ago.

[00:01:53] Oh, because you're a zombie fan. You just were excited about it right off the bat. Yes. And I forgot, Jason, last time I told you that my favorite zombie movie was, I forgot what it was, but it's World War Z. That's a great one. Love it. Brad Pitt. I used to be obsessed with Brad Pitt. Of course. Well, when did you become attracted to Rick Grimes? Oh, wow. Actually, probably this episode here.

[00:02:19] You know that I thought that I was doing the episode when he bit the guy's juggler. Oh, no. Oh, no. I got all confused. But this episode here, I'm glad I did this one because this is when I really started having so much respect for him. Just the way that he handled himself. And, you know, that's, yeah. Okay. Well, we're going to say goodbye and you can come back. No, I'm just kidding. That was intense.

[00:02:46] Well, I'm sure you'll call in for that one and we'll get to hear what you think. But so this one really, that's pretty cool then that you're on for this one. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, it's Walking Dead season four, episode 11 claimed. Renee as our guest of honor, would you like to read the plot summary? Renee. As Rick, Carl and Michonne rest, their home is discovered by a group of men called Clainers and they are forced to abandon it.

[00:03:13] Later finding signs towards terminus along railroad tracks. Glenn and Tara learned that Abraham and Rosita are escorting Eugene to Washington, D.C. as he knows how to stop the Walker outbreak once there. Yeah, right. That's not true. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah. So how was it to watch this again, Renee in general? Just did you like it? Okay.

[00:03:41] Mike, y'all, you guys hear me talk about my nine year old God daughter. She's here because they're on spring break. So she was watching it with me and watch it through her eyes. Someone that has never seen it. She was like, when she saw Rosita, she was like, come on. What she got on? She was like, why did she have that on? And then when the guys were talking about what they're going to do with Michonne, she was saying, come on. What are they saying they're going to do to her?

[00:04:11] What are they going to do? And before I know it, I was like, they're going to rape her. And she's like, rape? And I was like, yeah, rape. Yeah, they're going to rape her. Like the lambs. Yeah. I'm like, I said it too quick. But she, yeah, looking at it through her is like, is so amazing. And she would ask me all kinds of questions. And I'm like, she was like, this guy right here, Rick. And I was like, yeah, that's my boo. She's like, I'm going to tell God daddy.

[00:04:38] And seeing Rick and him become, you know, he, this is when Rick became gangster to me, because he was not playing with them at all. So this episode is when I really noticed that Rick Grimes was not playing. He stood on business. That's cool. That's cool. When I asked you, when you started to like him, I thought you were going to say the pilot. So it's really interesting that it's actually. Definitely not. He was too. No, he wasn't. I like what you got going on. I need a man with a beard. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

[00:05:07] He was pretty clean cut back then. Yeah. He was pretty pretty. I agree. Lucy, how about you? I'm just agreeing about Andrew Lincoln's levels of attractiveness. They knew what they were doing with the costuming in this episode. I was like a little ripped sleeve, a little blood on his arm. Mm hmm. I enjoyed rewatching it. It was nice to get to know Abraham a little bit. Yep.

[00:05:31] And I really thought there was quite a lot of chemistry with Rick and Michonne, which I appreciated as much the first time around. So I liked that. And I thought the moments with Michonne and Carl were really cute. Oh, yes. Yeah. Yep. I liked it a lot. I think I liked it more this time. Maybe I, one thing I really appreciated is that there were three different stories going on and they were all very different.

[00:05:58] You know, like Carl and Michelle was more reflective in a bonding thing. And the Eugene and Abraham that was like exploring new characters and kind of getting like, what are you guys all about kind of vibe. And then the Rick part was just like home invasion thriller. You know, that was my favorite part. So I liked a lot. Oh, Glenn. Glenn, my respect level for him went to a whole nother level as well. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Glenn. Yeah.

[00:06:29] Cause I think we'll get to it in more detail, but I just one moment when Abraham was saying, your wife's probably dead. And Glenn just stops and it looks like he's thinking about whether to agree and stay back with them or not. But more, he's just his anger is building up. You realize that he fucking pops him in the face. It's so good. I knew you were going to call Crocdon. I knew you were going to knock the shit out of Abraham. It's so good. Yeah.

[00:06:57] Although like buddy seeing the two of them together, I was like, Oh, we're both going to die in the same day. I was thinking that the whole time. I was thinking like, like, oh, my God, they're going to die. They're going to die. The ultimate bonding experience. Rosita all up. I mean, oh my gosh. Yeah. They all die except for Eugene. Yeah. Well, imagine that. Holy shit. Imagine that. Yeah. That's crazy. Right. That's what I was thinking about while they were walking down the railroad tracks.

[00:07:27] Holy crap. It's really sad. Yeah. Eugene. Eugene. Yeah. Wow. My mind is blown by that. I'm like, oh yeah. Exactly. Oh, go. The scariest one in a bunch. Yeah. That haircut. Let's, uh, let's get into our points. What do you got Renee? Jason, why would you go first? You didn't have to go first. I'm the only guest. Okay. That's right. I have Abraham is a mess.

[00:07:57] Abraham. And like I said, the other week with, um, with what's the tar. I mean, they brought a comic to, you know, to the show. We didn't know that we needed that. They were initially, I think I was like, why? Like, this is the walking bear. Why are they having all this comedy? But that's what we needed. Cause it was so much more. And it was so graphic. Sometimes we needed to pull back. And bleak to bleak and tragic. Yeah. Yeah. And Abraham. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize.

[00:08:27] I forgot about all the little funny things that, uh, he used to say and how you said, how he taught. Yeah. You know, especially the scene where, um, Tara is kind of judgmental of him because he was smiling when he killed all the zombies and she's, he's like, I'm the luckiest man in the world. And I, I just love that because it's like, dude, it's kind of true. You, I don't know if he meant this, but if 99% of the people in the world died and you're

[00:08:56] one of the ones still alive, it's kind of refreshing to see someone have a like happy attitude about that. Like I'm lucky man. But, uh, I think he might've also met cause I'm with the scientist who has the cure, which uh, okay. Okay. That's going to be a rude. I got that written down. Why did he say that? I had that written down. What do you think? I don't, Abraham, Abraham. I don't have no idea. Like smiling. Yeah.

[00:09:22] I just think, I think he's just like right now, at least he's in a good place as far as like, I'm still alive. I'm on a mission. It's all good. The wife and you keep, I don't, I think that's for me with the walking day. I don't, and I realized they can't show it, but they don't show enough brief because there's no way I'm gonna bounce back that quick. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe he's in denial too. Cause you know, he also, he also like the, the whole thing of telling Glenn, your wife's probably dead.

[00:09:52] Well, that's cause his own wife died. And so he's got that perspective on it. And also 99% of the people in the world, as I said before. So, but still. Including your family. Yeah. But he still, he shouldn't, you should never say that to somebody though. Yeah. I found it quite fun watching Abraham this time because like, he's, he's got funny energy, Abraham, in this episode. And I think we, as, as viewers at this point, we still don't like know him.

[00:10:19] And there's still a question mark about like, is this guy just a dickhead or is he good hearted? Or like, what is he about? Um, like he is with the zombies. He's not cruel, but he's quite gung ho in a way we've not seen. Like he's, he's smiling. He's like happy to do it. Um, and I remember we were quite judgmental of like the first time we meet Daryl. Does he not call like a female zombie a skank or something? He's like, you are an ugly skank or something. We're like, okay.

[00:10:50] Whereas Abraham, I don't know. Yeah. His energy is quite interesting in this episode and the way he is with Glenn. I remember, I think when he finds out that Eugene's been lying, that's almost when we see him grieve and get angry is because like, he's really attached himself to, and we see that in a flashback. Don't we? Like Eugene literally walks across him just after like his wife and kids have died. That's right. So he's just transferred everything into that. I'm rethinking all this now. You're right. He didn't give himself any time to grieve.

[00:11:18] He just put all his hopes on this Eugene character, which is like bleak. Like that haircut. Yeah. Yeah. Eugene just, he, he seems like the type of person that would tell a tale to someone to protect him. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I think, yeah, it seems like, um, Abraham probably just wanted, needed something to believe in at that moment.

[00:11:46] And so he let himself ignore all the red flags, but it seems like Rosita doesn't really necessarily believe because she takes the first opportunity to go and help these people rather than continue on her mission. And then I think when Eugene accepts that, like, okay, we'll go with them for a little while and then we'll see if we find a car or whatever. Then Abraham's like, well, I got to follow Eugene everywhere he goes, you know, and get him back on track because that's what he's pinned all his hopes on. Yeah.

[00:12:16] Maybe just maybe because I know what, you know, what happened was going to happen. Then I'm looking at it differently. Cause it's like, it's no way Eugene. No way. Yeah. Yeah. Do we think Eugene shot the van on purpose? Yeah. Because he had a smirk on his face when they walked. Right. That's what I, cause Peter was like, I don't know. And I'm like, he was pretty happy at the end. And there's definitely a moment where he pivots left where I'm like, hmm. I don't know.

[00:12:44] I think he's just the worst because there's so many other instances where he's shit with walkers after this, you know? Yeah. But I think I'm with Renee on this one. I think, I think he's after that. I think he's trying to get them to slow down. Cause as soon as they get to Washington, he's fucked. Yeah. Yeah. And then, so, um, when he tells Glenn, you know,

[00:13:14] you gotta come with us. He says, um, let me tell you how to best avoid winding up just another dead alive prick. You find some strong, like-minded comrades and you stay stuck together like wet on water. We need people. The more, the better we need each other partner. I think that's right on. That's what I keep saying about the walking dead. Like if you got to have that mindset, you know, bring people in and you're stronger together, but they have to be willing.

[00:13:44] Yeah. It doesn't work if you're forcing them or kidnapping them. And I think it's kind of interesting that Glenn's wearing the orange backpack, right? Yeah. When we first saw the guy wearing that backpack, he was begging to be a part of the group and they just drove right past. Now Glenn's wearing it and he, he just wants to get away from the group. So I don't know if that was on purpose, but it's kind of an interesting backwards. All right. Lucy? I had Abraham as well, actually. Um, I'm just looking at some other notes I had.

[00:14:13] Uh, I'd forgotten how much I love Abraham talking. Just like the things he says. I got, um, talking about Glenn ending up just another dead alive prick. We have to stick together like wet on water. Um, the only time he kind of like stumbles a little bit is when he, uh, is talking to Glenn. He says when people we love, when they disappear, that doesn't mean you got to go out that way too.

[00:14:40] And you can tell that that's something that has, I don't know, really cut him deeply, obviously. Um, son of a dick really made me laugh when he was looking at the fuel. I was like, yes, this is the Abraham we're here for. And his whole like elaborate war story about a camel question mark getting blown up. And then he's like, how in the holy hell could you possibly kill this truck? And then Eugene says fully ramped up stated in ignorance of firing weapons.

[00:15:06] Um, and then at the end when everyone's everything's kind of falling apart a bit for Abraham, I'm like Rosita's like, I'm going to go with these guys. What else are we going to do? Go to Washington, fix the whole damn world. And then Eugene saying, trust me, I'm smarter than you and sort of smirking. I don't know. The banter was just great. Uh, he refers to Glenn as a persistent son of a bitch. I get why you're following him. And he's very much like, he's posturing for a lot of the episode with Tara.

[00:15:34] He's like, you know, what we have to do is just, uh, it's just more important. Cause he's feeling, I imagine you would feel quite smug if you thought they had the whole solution there. Yeah. Absolutely. No judgment to him. Like he's, you know, he's got cracking arms and he thinks he's got the cure to all humanity. Like, no, I'd be like that too, probably. Um, and it's interesting that Tara is so kind of protective of Glenn. I like that, that she's like writing down on her hand, all the places they've been.

[00:16:02] She's really wary of these new people and she's really holding her own with Abraham and she's not intimidated by him. And I think that's a nice dynamic. Like, but she also made the decision to let them put his unconscious body on a truck and drive away when she knew he probably wouldn't like that, but she was kind of in a tough spot because she didn't want to be sitting on the side of the road with an unconscious guy. Yeah. We've all been there. What you're going to do.

[00:16:31] She did the best she could in a crappy situation. I agree. Yeah. And she was writing it down on her hand. So that was cute. Yeah, she was. Well, um, I mean, I, I'm pretty sure when I first saw these guys, I wasn't so sure, like they're so comic bookie and you know, not only do they look kind of comic bookie, especially Rosita, the way she's dressed right now, but all of them.

[00:16:59] And they have comic bookie dialogue, son of a dick and things like that. But they also have really far out things to say, like, I'm going to insist that you hold the hell up, believe it or not, the fate of the entire damn human race might depend on it. And I think the walking dead was never meant to be a show about finding the cure or even understanding how this all started. Yeah. Robert Kirkman wanted it to be like a grounded story, more or less about how more or less everyday people would respond to the zombie apocalypse.

[00:17:28] Um, so, so I, I, I already knew what happened because of the comics, but still I was like, ah, this is changing the show. But now that we've been through the whole show and I've come to love these characters and I've come to know the actors a little bit at Walker Stucker. I'm like, oh, I'm so glad to see these guys, you know, looking forward and especially Rosita, like she turned into such a great character. So she was a slow burn. Yeah.

[00:17:54] And that scene in Alexandria when she's like, I think there's lightning and rain coming down and she's fighting off all the Zeds. That's one of my favorite scenes in all of the walking dead. And, um, what's it she says when she comes back in, don't go outside. The comic, is she always dressed like that? I think the whole. Before the time jump. Yes. And then when they time jump a bit, when she and Eugene are a couple in the comics for a bit. Um,

[00:18:23] she softens a little bit and isn't dressed like that all the time, but for the first while, yeah, it's very much a comic book. Like, I just, there's so many places you can get bitten when you're wearing that little clothing. Yeah. I don't think that Rosita probably told them like, stop dressing me like this. Like this is not cute. Christian Serrano. Yeah. Yeah. She probably said, no, I don't want to be objectified, even though I do objectify. You don't have a. He don't like she probably said, no one's going to take me serious. Cause I definitely didn't. I didn't.

[00:18:52] Like I said, Rosita is one of my favorite female characters. But she was serious when she first came. Seriously. Why are you dressed? Oh yeah. I mean, honestly, when I hear the word objectify, I think often that means that you appreciate someone just for their looks. But I think your love for Rick goes much deeper than that. So I would never say that you objectify Rick. Rick. It's a very pure love. I don't know. But it's about his vibe and his, his. Right. It's about. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

[00:19:23] But, but I get what you're saying. And yeah, I wondered about that because I think it goes away pretty quickly. Right. Or the way. Like that. Yeah. Um, but Eugene too, like Eugene really, I think still the way he speaks it, it kind of takes me out of the story because it's so weird. It's not the way anyone really talks. But what I love about him is he's flawed. And I like when a show has flawed characters. I don't want everyone to be a badass.

[00:19:53] I want some bad asses, but if everyone is, then it, it's not as relatable. You know, you need someone who has some growth that they need to go through. And right from the start, he's a liar and he's lying because he's afraid. And that's relatable. And because I lie, cause I'm afraid all, no, I'm just kidding. But I don't know. Are you lying? Or maybe I always tell the truth and I'm lying right now. But, uh, later he joins up with the saviors.

[00:20:20] He's a trader for a while, which is, it's horrible, but I liked that the show had the courage to have some of their supposed heroes do things that weren't perfect. And like I said, for a long time, he's not good at killing walkers. He gets fooled by fake Stephanie. So I just love that they have a character that they can give all these sort of flawed experiences too. But then he ends up redeeming himself in a bunch of different ways, which I love.

[00:20:46] I remember just towards the end in seasons 10 and 11, I think maybe even earlier, I started to feel really connected to Eugene and I was surprised at that and happy for it. So, um, I'm glad to see him. So, uh, Josh McDermott has a role in, I guess there's a suit spinoff called suits LA. He's, he's been in a few episodes of that. I heard, and he's also had an episode of the righteous gemstones. Oh, no way.

[00:21:14] And I just cannot imagine him playing anyone except for Eugene. Right? I mean, he became that character, didn't he? I think the funny thing with Eugene is like, he's at some points, the most unrealistic character because of how he talks and how he looks. Yeah. But then in other ways, he's the most realistic character because he probably acts in a way that is much closer to how a lot of us would act in the pandemic. Like trying to stick with stronger people in any way you can, being scared, being bad at

[00:21:44] killing zombies. Like he's, he's such an interesting mix that way. Mm-hmm. And, but then he does do the, he does become a hero at the end. So it makes us all feel like we have a chance, you know? Yeah. He does, he survives. Yeah. All right, Renee, your turn. What do you got? What else? Uh, Carl, that's where I stopped. That's where I was going to Carl. No, first with Michonne, I wrote literally, who ties their shirt up in the back? Yeah. To show your waistline.

[00:22:13] That would be. Yeah. Yeah. I would be right there with Michonne. It's like Michonne, really, really, really. But when, um, Carl, when they was talking about the soy milk, that just really broke my heart because before he, you know, mentioned Judith and it just, the bond between Carl and Michonne, it was just amazing to me. And it was before that he even knew that she had a child.

[00:22:41] And when she told him about his, her, her family, he was like, you had a, you had a husband? What else? Why'd you tell me? You know what, what, what else are you hiding? And I thought that was just, you know, really the fact that they were able to connect like that when he needed a mother figure and you know, she needed another child. I thought that was really, um, touching and moving. Yeah. And he like, they're already, it almost felt like a sequel to clear as far as their story

[00:23:08] was concerned, you know, when they first started bonding and now they're bonding even more. And he accidentally mentions Judith's, uh, formula and that reminds him of her. And she, he was able to have some fun for a minute there, which Rick was happy about. But then after that, after he mentioned that formula, he retreated back into himself and he only came back out again when she mentioned that she had a child who died and he felt like, Oh, Oh, I can connect with her on this loss, you know?

[00:23:37] And then, um, that's when he had all the questions and everything. I think there's like a moment when you're a kid as well, when an adult reveals something like that and you're like, suddenly this person is a person. Like, I think he's always seen Michonne as like a person who he loves and cares about. But when you're at that age and someone reveals something like that to you, I don't know. I think as kids, you're quite, you only know your own experience. Like empathy is something that you, you develop and deepen.

[00:24:07] And this I think is, it's an eye opener for him because someone he cares about has lived through that kind of loss, but also Michonne becomes a more rounded character rather than just a kind of side character in his story. And that's not a criticism of Carl because we're all called, we're all guilty of that. Yeah. As a kid, like you see your teacher and you just think teacher and then they'll say something in class one day that you realize, oh yeah, they have a whole life and they're a person who has things going on and stuff, you know?

[00:24:36] Yeah. And when it's something as shocking as that, you're like, oh my God, but you're so strong. You're so, it was funny what you were saying about the shirt, Renee. I was thinking, was it in a Ones Who Live promo thing? It was like Andrew Lincoln was talking about standing on the walls of Alexandria with Lenny James and watching Danai Gurira walk up in her costume. And they were both just like, she's the fucking coolest person. And they're like, she is the cool. And like, I was watching her with her extremely comfortable and attractive shirt.

[00:25:06] And I was like, she could style anything. Like you give her a black bin bag and she would be like looking incredibly stylish. Whereas Rick kind of hasn't, hasn't got the memo, but like maybe putting a new shirt on. That white T-shirt. I love to see a man in a white T-shirt. And when he put on a white T-shirt, I was like, yes, sir. Classic. Do you remember the woman who used to go on Talking Dead a lot as kind of like a super fan and she was in Community. Yvette Nicole Brown. Yvette Nicole Brown. Yeah.

[00:25:36] So one time at Walker Stalker, Yvette Nicole Brown was going to do a moderated panel with, I think with her, with Danai Gurira. And so we were all backstage and I was going to go introduce Yvette Nicole Brown. And Danai Gurira was like, you know, she's done a lot of things. Right. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know community and all this. And she's like, you better do her right. And I'm like, I will. Don't worry about it. Amazing. Like looking out for her, you know. I love that.

[00:26:05] I love that.

[00:26:31] But because, you know, she, Michelle, they have her looking so just whatever. Yeah. But for her body, they will always show her butt. You know, they will show her waistline. They always show her from that angle. They did that a lot. Absolutely. Yeah. You're right. They didn't do that with Eugene as much. I think it was because, I mean, Danai is very attractive, but on there, because she's

[00:26:58] always mugging and she's always looking a certain way. She does not have that softness about her that Sasha has. So I think it was to make people understand why Rick would be attracted to her. Yeah. So they show her from a, like, from a different angle. I noticed that. I don't know if you guys noticed that. And I see this a lot, like I said, because I'm in a lot of the groups and I hear a lot of things that people say. And a lot of people say that, you know, she's not attractive.

[00:27:26] So in order to make her look attractive. It was always shocking. Like in the most, in the previous episode, showing her in that dream slash flashback, all dressed up, you know, it was like, whoa, she's so, any of these characters, when you see they do rare flashbacks of pre apocalypse or when they go to a place where they get to take a shower and dress up nice. It's like, wow, it's so different. Well, should I have her look at, she's always mugging.

[00:27:55] I think that's what it is because she tough. So she mugged more so that any, you don't see a lot of the other ones mugging like that. She's always mugging, which, and I do understand, you know, why she looks like that. But yeah. What are you going to say, Lucy? I was going to say, it's interesting. Maybe it was about making her a, I don't know, maybe they felt they had to do more work to make her a love interest, which is so wrong. But the chemistry is just, like I said, the two of them could literally be standing wearing trash bags and I'd be like, great.

[00:28:25] Best looking people on TV, 10 out of 10. I think it's perfect. They get a lot of hate. Yeah. Well, not here. No, not here. No. Oh my gosh. Never here. If anything, a weird level of enthusiasm. If anything, we're going to get good. Well, I mean, honestly, starting this up. Well, I remember watching this episode the first time because I don't remember exactly when I started thinking, oh, actually these two, there's something between them.

[00:28:52] I think this rewatch, I've thought that from almost the beginning, but first watch through, I definitely know this episode. I'm like, wow, they seem like a suburban family here, Carl and Michonne and Rick. And they're even talking about maybe we'll stay here forever. Is that the plan? I don't know. Let's hang out for a while and see. And so I really started thinking at this moment that, oh yeah, they could totally make a great couple. I think from here on, I was shipping them from this episode on.

[00:29:20] Do you know, one of the moments that really cemented it for me was when Carl asked about Andre, sorry, Andre, and the first thing he asked Michonne was, does my dad know? Like as though it was really obvious that Michonne would have told Rick. And I was just like, they're a little family unit already. Like they just, there's a natural like thing happening here and it's just really nice. Like as a woman, Michonne intentionally tied their shirt up, sashayed in the kitchen and sashayed off.

[00:29:49] So Rick can look at her. She would, they were already feeling each other. Oh yeah. Definitely. She just, that's what I always say about Lori. I'm not a Lori hater because she wanted to get it on. It's just like, it's the ZA. I don't have time right now. That's why they could not, that's Rick and Michonne. It was obvious something was there, but until they got to a place where they knew that their kids was okay, that they could go somewhere by themselves and be by themselves and not

[00:30:19] worry about their children being hurt. Yeah. They were not going to do that. So I, that's what I don't understand. I don't care about people having sex or people get together. But until I'm at a place where my child, I know if I take my eyes off of them for one second, I know they are okay. That's the, I'm, I promise. I don't know. I ain't in the ZA, but I just, I know me and I just wouldn't be thinking about that. I have to make sure my kids are okay. That's why Michonne always say the kids have to be okay.

[00:30:49] She always say that we have to make a place. They have to be okay. They have to be okay. And for you to sit down and you to be comfortable, you have to know that your child, okay. I say this all the time. My son is 34 years old. That is my only child. And I will go to war about him. I will go to war about my 34 year old child. Absolutely. Period. I don't fight, but I will beat somebody ass about my 34 year old child. Period. He's your baby, man. He's your kid. That's my baby. He'll always be my baby.

[00:31:17] I don't care how old he always be like, mom, why are you telling me that? Cause you my baby. Lucy. Um, yeah, I had Michonne and Carl as well. I just noted Michonne is so stylish. Um, I think there's just, yeah, when it got to the kitchen, my notes are just all in capitals and I've written so much sexual tension. It's wild. And that moment where Rick's like, well, I'm awake today. I've just written, you are so stubborn. Rikki Dikki doodah. Yeah. So that's my take on that.

[00:31:46] Um, but also like, he must trust Michonne so much to let her take Carl on an errand like this. Like just the, that comfort that he has there and that he's able to at least try and rest for a little bit and that she's able to assert herself and say, yeah, you're gonna, you're gonna rest. Um, I'll talk a little about the scene in the house that they're clearing with Michonne and Carl. Um, we learn about Andre Anthony.

[00:32:13] Um, I love Michonne, this piece of information that we get about her in this flashback that she's a bit of an art critic or an art connoisseur. And I love her looking at all this absolutely shit art in this house. Like the really bad picture of the, um, rabbits. I mean, it's not really shit. Like it's fine. Like if people have bought these pictures, that's okay. But she's looking at it like she's in like an art gallery in Europe or something, just sort of staring at it.

[00:32:39] Um, and the conversation that she and Carl have is so well written where he says, how long has it been? She says it happened after everything happened. He says, does my dad know? Never told him. Never told anyone until just now. And this is my favorite bit. Your secret safe with me. It's not really a secret. It's still safe with me. That's really cute. I love that. I'm sure she appreciated that. Oh, it was such a beautiful moment. And then I had forgotten in this, my memory of this time on the show is that in every

[00:33:09] episode we were inching closer and closer to terminus and there was a lot of like ominous signs. And this is one of the first ones I remember. And I've just written in big capital letters, scary ass painting of the terminus lady. Now it's not the terminus lady. It's the mom in the nursery, but it does look a bit like the woman who greets them at terminus with the side braid and things like that. And the fact it's all scratched up and covered in what looks like blood. And just that turn where like the mood music is really creepy. She goes into this kid's bedroom.

[00:33:39] Everyone there is dead. It's the whole family with the mom on the rocking chair. Was it a self portrait that she sabotaged after her family died? And the fact that Michonne protects Carl from that scene is really important. And she smiles when Carl says after that about Judith, my dad let me name her, maybe her and Andrea are together somewhere. Um, so it's like the mix of these really like loving moments with the absolute bleak horror of what is happening.

[00:34:06] Um, but that picture really creeped me out and the whole way that the tone changes is just really scary. Well, I want to talk about them too, but first I'm going to do another point. That's sort of something about the whole episode. Great. It's called before and after, because I think more than usual, this show does this a lot, but this episode focuses on kind of the juxtaposition of what came before of civilization. Yeah.

[00:34:36] And the way the world is in the ZA now where it's wild and dangerous and tragic. And so in this episode, we see a lot of the trappings of the old world, the suburban house that Rick and Michonne are in, stories of Carl playing with his friends and crazy cheese. Yeah. The crazy cheese, just the idea of milk and soy milk. Um, Rick's reading a book, you know, Jack London short stories, Michonne's looking through kids books and toys, all this stuff.

[00:35:06] And then contrasted with the horrific reality of the zombie apocalypse, this D face painting that I found super creepy to the whole family dead by look like murder suicide. Right. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Um, then of course the claimers, this gang of ruthless, aggressive, homicidal scavengers. So, um, seeing the paintings and then Carl brings, uh, the one that you were just talking about.

[00:35:32] And I was like, why is this one only one of these paintings is vandalized and wrapped up. But I guess that that's the theory, right? That it's the mom and she was ashamed or felt guilty and defaced her own painting. But we don't really know. We never really get an answer that kind of makes it creepier. Yeah. I kind of like that we don't. Yeah. Um, but that's seeing that painting is what made Michelle, as soon as she saw that she looked down the hallway suspiciously.

[00:35:58] And I, I, it also had an X over its eye, which I think reminded her of the governor and just, um, gave her bad vibes. Yeah. And, um, I think honestly what happened is Carl, uh, defaced the painting and then gave it to Michonne to freak her out. No, I'm just kidding. No, I'm just kidding. Carl painted the whole painting, let it dry. How's this? Covered it in blood, gouged the eye out, and then was like, oh, it's psych. But Michonne, I'm just kidding.

[00:36:28] But, um, I, I think that was sort of to break the spell of the old world. It was like, no, the world's fucked up now. Right. And then she sees this family that's dead. And, um, I think the message of this episode is kind of like the old world is over. At least for now, you can still have relationships, have some joy, uh, but you also have to be fighters and survivors and watch out for people all the time. And, um, and they do eventually find the semblance at least of the old world again, when

[00:36:55] they get to Alexandria and maybe even more the Commonwealth, but they're in a transitional phase at best right now. Yeah. So Carl and Michonne. So when Rick says I can't be his father and his best friend, he needs you. I know that's a lot to throw at you. So if you're ever feeling like you need a break and she says, I'm done taking breaks. And I think that's a follow on from last time we saw her when she was considering going

[00:37:23] back to being one of the walking dad basically and said, no, no, no, I don't want to do that anymore. I want to, I haven't taken a risk on caring about people since this whole thing started and I lost my son, but now I'm in it. You know, she's like ready to care again. And I would say aside from this whole incident with Jocelyn and the kids later that Michonne is in it for the whole rest of the series.

[00:37:50] Even at the end when she's telling Rick, you got to love, you know, that's part of what started here. It, um, it also makes that line for the ones who live. I was in love with my son's best friend, slightly less work, less bad because it's sort of referencing this. Cause I remember when he said that in the show, I was like, Oh, phrase that better. And now I'm like, Oh no. Okay. He did kind of say you're his best. Okay. That's fine. Yeah. Yeah. He's painting them as friends. Only like 12 years later, whatever. It's fine.

[00:38:18] So now, uh, just Michonne is giving yourself to this idea of, I can be a loving person with people again. I don't have to distrust everyone. I can risk it. I can risk caring. And so we see her open up to Carl in a way that she probably hasn't opened up to anyone since this zombie apocalypse started, you know, like telling he, she says, as you guys said that this is the first time she's told anyone about her son.

[00:38:47] And, um, I thought it was super funny trying to use toddler tactics to get him to laugh. Cause I could totally see her doing that cheese whiz thing with her son. Do you have cheese whiz by the way? This is supposed to, I think it's called crazy cheese cause they couldn't use the cheese whiz trademark, but it's really cheese whiz. Do you have that in Scotland? We do not have that in the UK. No, it's one of those things that like we learned about from American films and all our mums were like horrified, but I personally would probably try it. Like I'm going to be real with you. That's amazing.

[00:39:15] And Diana Guerrero, like stunning Oscar, you know, should have Oscars has written plays most intelligent women standing with like cheese dripping out of her mouth looking really sad. I really felt very seen by that. I was like, honey. I never liked cheese whiz. Yeah. I used to eat it on crackers as a kid, but I haven't had it probably since then. I was like, oh, that's horrible for you.

[00:39:39] But I, what I thought about is when Michonne and Daryl were, when, when she came back, when they were at the prison and Daryl came down the hill on a motorcycle because she, the governor came right after that. When they came down the motorcycle and Michonne said that she was getting ready to go look for the governor again. And Rick had the most disgusting look on his face ever. Like, girl, are you serious?

[00:40:05] So I, and, and right after that is when Michonne hurt herself. So I think that when Rick was asking her about, you know, if you ever want to take a time out, he probably thought she was still there. Like that episode because yeah. Instead of he didn't know that she went off wondering and stuff. Yeah. I mean, I could see like if I had one of my kids and I was like, this kid needs a friend,

[00:40:31] but I have to be a father and man, he seems to be having a good time with this woman here, but I don't want to foist my kid on her. If she's not up for it, you know, but she's totally up for it now. Yeah. Well, why is it Michonne? Like, why did he, why did he become so close to her and no one else? He didn't, he didn't develop a relationship with anyone else like that with Michonne.

[00:40:56] I was thinking that they said that Paul and Daryl never really had a episode together between them two. I've never noticed that I'm gonna make sure I look for that. I don't remember. That's too bad. Yeah. But him and Michonne from the very beginning, is it just because you think they connected like how I just connected with you guys from the very beginning? Is it connecting or something? That's a good question. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, they are great together. Honestly, I always hate to say this, but I don't think this was Chandler Riggs strongest work in this episode.

[00:41:26] It's a shame because it's coming off of a really good one. Yeah. The last time we saw him. Yeah. But I, even when he's not, when it's not, I still think they have great chemistry together. Yeah. Um, so, so, uh, just a little bit more on this. So, um, so yeah, now that she's brought him out of his funk because they can connect on having lost someone and gets him curious about her. And she says, I'm not gonna, I'm only gonna answer one question per room.

[00:41:53] And I think that's because she has decided to open up more, but she's got to take it slow. Right. Cause this is super, um, traumatic, not traumatic, but fragile. No. It's traumatic to talk about. But it's a tender, it's a tender subject for her. Right. It's the most tenderest. Yeah. It's not that long ago since she lost her child. And it's the worst thing that's ever happened to her in her life. And probably.

[00:42:19] Um, and so, um, so she, she, clearly she trusts Carl a lot to, to be telling her this. And I can see why, because he's such a good person. And the fact that he said what you said, Lucy, like, uh, you can trust me with this, even though you said you don't need me to, I'm going to keep it safe. Yeah. And that's what I got. It's amazing how Rick listens to Michonne, like for whatever reason, like when she was like, you're going to rest.

[00:42:45] And whenever she ever tells him to do something, he always says, yes, just like that. Michonne, Daryl can talk him into it. Well, no, cause Daryl, no, Daryl wanted him to kill Negan and he didn't. But Michonne, like I said, he always, he, he just listens to her. And I think again, I, that's one of the reasons why I love Rick Ryan's because it takes a strong man to be able to listen to a woman to me. That's okay with not feeling emasculated, not feeling like I'm trying to take control. Cause men tend to be like that.

[00:43:15] My husband can, he can be like that, but because he trusts me, he realized that I have his best interests at heart. And my husband, like I always say, he ganks the like Rick Ryan's. He has that, he has that type of personality, but with me, he really listens to me. Like he will listen to me and he won't feel like, girl, I'm the man. And you don't tell me what to do. He does not. But it's because I feel like that Rick realizes that Michonne really cares and that Michonne,

[00:43:44] that she's the type of person that will protect her family. Like I said, I'm gonna go to war. I will go to war for mine. And I feel like he needed that. Rick needed someone where he could feel like I can be vulnerable. I can let my guards down and my, my child is going to be taking care of my, you know, along with Judith, but I'm gonna be fine where I can just relax. And like, like Lucy said that he was able to let Carl go with her because he trusted her. He knew that she was not coming back without him, without Carl.

[00:44:13] And that was amazing to me. And that's, that's one of the reasons why I really liked Rick Ryan's. I liked him. And he, he knows he's seen enough to know that she has great character, you know, but he's seen, he's seen that he has seen that with a lot of them. But for whatever reason, I don't, I don't, for whatever reason, Michonne is the one that he's comfortable with. I don't see him just letting Carl just go with anyone. Cause he is very protective of his son. Yeah. Very protective. He should be.

[00:44:40] I mean, she, she's got great character and she's super capable. So, but I think, yeah. And there's just something between them. So you put all that together. Oh yeah. Okay. Rene, do you have any more points? When Rick was under the bed and he was shaking and trembling, you know how terrified he was. And you just, he realized, I think at that moment he had just dealt with the governor, but at that moment is some horrible, horrible people in the world.

[00:45:09] And in order for me and my family to survive, I'm gonna have to leave the old Rick. He's going to have to stay behind. I have become gangster Rick. I think it was at that moment. He, I got to do what I got to do because these people are crazy out here in the ZA. And like I always say, this is the way it will be. Women would, again, I'm gonna go back to Lori. I understand about her needing to be protected because we would have to be because people like, they were just talking, talking about Michonne.

[00:45:39] Like she was just a, you know, she's not here. Smells good. I'm gonna be the first one. She ain't here yet. When I, when she get back, I'm gonna get her. I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do that. Like what happened? Like, how did y'all just become like this? The ZA is what Lucy? How long has it, how long has it been? Less than two years. And y'all, all of a sudden, everybody is a rapist. Yeah. I mean, you hear now, like about in war, it happens now in war, you know, and it's insane. So all of a sudden, everybody just become a rapist?

[00:46:09] Just brings out people's worst impulses, you know? Yeah. So, so what happens is people like that, they tend to gather together. That what you're saying? They can, they tend to coexist together because they're gonna be okay with it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think, yeah, like attracts like. So it's just like a group with, that they met in season two, Tony and that fat guy. Fucking Tony. Yeah. Well, we never knew whether the, whether the young man, what was his name? Y'all had a debate about. Was telling the truth. Rondle.

[00:46:39] Yeah. So, but all of everyone in there was talking about what they was going to do to her. Yep. No one. I heard no one said like, seriously. Right. Yeah. The world. I, yeah, I, I kind of, I will have to find, like you said, I'm gonna be Eugene. I'm gonna have to find someone to protect me because that world would be awful. Yep. Well, it is, it's, it's, you know, anyone can be a victim of assault.

[00:47:06] But I think for women there's, there is another level of protection and fear there in terms of, you know, the violence that can happen when the rules are gone. And it's, it's scary. And you don't want it to be that way, but it is. Yeah. That's, that's rough. Like it's a rough goal. It's totally fucked. Yeah. Like, whoa, Michonne, I'm so glad you got away because. Yep. Yeah.

[00:47:35] I mean, Michonne could probably just chop all their heads off though. Oh yeah. He's still a woman. Yeah, I know, but I'm just saying. Okay. Lucy. Um, I wanted to talk a little about, uh, Jeff Kober who plays Joe the claimer. Um, and I was looking at his Wikipedia entry. He's been in everything. He was in fact in a, like his list of credits go all the way back to the eighties.

[00:48:02] He's been in stuff like the Twilight Zone, MacGyver. He was in one of my favorite episodes of the X-Files, Ice, which is basically the thing, but it's Mulder and Scully investigating an Alaskan research center. Um, what made me laugh is just like a year or two before this storyline in The Walking Dead, he has a recurring role in New Girl as the landlord who's desperately trying to, That's right. I forgot about that. Desperately trying to have a threesome with Zooey Deschanel and Jake Johnson.

[00:48:32] And there's this one scene where he's in like a silk kimono playing the pan pipes to On My Way by Rusted Root. And I just couldn't stop thinking about that throughout this episode. I was like, he's so good at playing this really creepy guy, but I've got Sammy on my way, he's sucking my head. Um, so we, this is our kind of introduction to him and we don't really see him. I think once you've kind of seen his face briefly, you realize that this is probably going to be a big bad because that's not the kind of actor you cast to just be seen out of the corner of your eye.

[00:49:03] Um, the whole set up of the claimers with this and of with, uh, Joe is this kind of guy who just sort of sinisterly bouncing a ball around the house. Um, they said I've, I've written Renee. The claimers are here. They sound lovely. They don't sound lovely. They sound terrible. Um, I love the way Andrew Lincoln played that fear. Like no words, just sweat and shaking under the bed. He did the famous head tilt. He did the head tilt.

[00:49:34] And there are so I was thinking actually, this must've been a bit of a bitch to direct. Cause there are so many near misses and so many like shots from room to room. I was like, I'd be really interested to see how they did it. But like, there was so much they did to establish the claimers. That was really cool. Like when Rick's under the bed, he sees that the claimer has blood on his shoes. And that's like an immediate kind of red flag that these people are violent. Um, I would argue in the zombie apocalypse, like when you're killing Zeds all the time,

[00:50:02] it's maybe less than a red flag, but it adds up. Um, everything we hear about these guys is that they suck. Like they're beating each other up. They're trying to kill each other over beds. I did laugh a little bit at the moment when Rick's like under the bed and it looks like he's sort of awkwardly waving at the guy who's getting asphyxiated. Like, hello. You just said everything about them says that they suck. And that just made me think, what if they just stuck one thing in there? Like when guys like, oh, hey, I found a plushie. Would you like it or something?

[00:50:32] Yeah. Um, you know, the guy that Rick like waves hello to from under the bed, he doesn't die, does he? He just gets knocked out because it's him that recognizes him later. He didn't die. Yeah. You see him breathing. Yeah. Cause I kept hoping he wouldn't wake up and tell on Rick. I had it in my head that Rick killed a guy who was on the toilet, but maybe that was Jurassic Park.

[00:50:56] But anyway, I was excited to see, I was excited to see the, um, toilet death scene and Rick getting his iconic jacket slipping out the window and that very tense moment where he sees Michonne and Carl on their way. Um, Joe just doing like peak evil stuff, like eating cherries and spitting out the pits and doing like a weird little claimer whistle. And you can see Rick is about to go up and really go in full guns blazing.

[00:51:24] But then I assume the guy in the toilet reanimates. Yeah. I, but generally I thought Rick just does so well in this with a very silent episode for him. Yeah. He doesn't do a lot of talking. It's, it's really just these guys fighting who wrote and directed this one. Jason. I should have looked that option. I hang on. Let me have, that was a name. I didn't recognize, uh, as far as the, they did a great job. It's a really strong, the tension and the mood is just, it's really good. Really.

[00:51:52] He was that's what it was just dripping from his hair was only. Oh, all right. Just so sweaty. So my, I got a point on this Rick and the claimers, which, um, yeah, I forgot that all this stuff with the claimers happened in the same house as left last episode where Carl's yelling jiggy jar jar do it, Rick, you know, but, uh, I thought the encounter was really thrilling.

[00:52:19] I remember thinking that when I first watched it too, and it would have been okay with me if we never even saw these guys again, because this was good. Oh yeah. Yeah. But then the future plot is even better with them, with, with, uh, the stuff with Daryl and oh God. But, um, I, I loved how they did this. I, I, he's weakened. Rick is weakened. He has no gun because he gave his gun to Carl and he's home alone.

[00:52:45] And that just, when I wrote that, I'm like, yeah, he should have like heated up the doorknob and rigged a paint can to swing down and smack those guys in the face. He missed so many tricks. Get out of here, you filthy animal. And then just how he just hear, heard voices and you could kind of hear a little bit of what they're saying sometimes, but mostly not. But you could get enough that there's a super sketchy, aggressive vibe arguing. I think he hears one kill the other one, but I love how it's hard to hear what they're

[00:53:12] saying because, and you can't see any of their faces until Rick sees them because we're getting it all from Rick's point of view. We're, we're like experiencing what a home invasion is like. And it made me feel like I was laying in my bed at night and all of a sudden I hear someone coming through my front door or something, you know, that's why it was so thrilling because we're usually watching zombie stuff, which I love zombies, but it's not relatable. That's why I think this episode to me, the Rick part was like, holy shit, this is fucked up.

[00:53:41] And then he scrambles on the bed and sees the legs of the guy with the gun. And you're wondering if the guy will discover him there, you know, and then he's like pausing. It's like, oh, what does he suspect something? And then when he just lays on the bed and it like crushes Rick, you know, real close to him, that was just such a great moment. And then when the guy, other guy comes in and wants to claim it. And at first I was like, it's kind of weird that, um, you would kill cause they killed somebody at the front of the house. He heard one guy kill and then you just go take a nap.

[00:54:10] These guys are the fucking worst. I think it's probably Joe that says this will be our abode for the evening. Clean up your mess. So, um, I mean, Joe's a classy man. That guy, by the way, uh, Jeff Cobra, I, I did panels with him and he used to, I think he still has a meditation center or something. He's really interesting guy. Are you kidding? That's amazing. And he was in his panels.

[00:54:39] It was hard to get a read on him. He was a little rookery. Like I didn't know for sure if he liked me or not. And then there were some panels that were super deep and great, you know, and other times he seemed a little gruff, but he was a really interesting guy. Interesting. But so yeah, Rick kills this guy. And I mean, his name's Lou per the, according to the wiki chokes him to death. He's definitely seen and heard enough to know that these aren't good guys.

[00:55:05] And if he doesn't take care of this guy, they may kill him and they may try to kill Michonne and Carl when they come back. So I have no problem with him killing this guy. Um, but that got me thinking how many people had he killed so far, Rick? Um, we knew he killed Dave and Tony at the bar in season two. Those were the first two. He killed Shane. He killed Tomas with machete to the face, you know? Um, it's harder to know in Woodbury when they came in to save Glenn and Maggie, uh, cause

[00:55:35] it was so chaotic, but the governor mentioned that five of his guys have been killed. So Rick probably killed at least a couple of those. And then this guy. So it's somewhere around five to nine. But by the end of Rick's story, it's like 2,200 because he bombed all those people and the ones who live. So he got more comfortable with it. Yeah. Everything correct to me.

[00:56:05] No judgment. No judgment. No judgment. I'm not saying that. Everything is correct. I, you know, I can't think of one person. Maybe. Yeah. I might have some debate about that last one there, but aside from that, I can't think of anyone where I thought he shouldn't. No, I take it back. We won't get into it. Yeah. Yeah. Let's say that. No, no, no. We did. Like, you know, when you mentioned Merle, um, Penny, she inboxed me and she was like, Rene, I was listening to the, um, podcast.

[00:56:34] And you was like, uh, Mercer, I thought you said Merle. I was like, she really does like bad guys. I'm like, never kidding. Never. Never. I said Mercer, not Merle. Oh, no, we are not Merle fans. Not at all. Mercer though. Yeah. He's good. All right. Should we go into notes or are we ready for that? Sounds good. Yeah. Do you have any random notes, Rene?

[00:57:01] Oh, I did put, I'm so happy Rick took the gun because they tend to leave stuff behind that they need. I was so happy to see them pick up that machine gun. Yeah. You know what they did? Leave it behind like it doesn't even, they don't even need it. Yeah. He did some smart thinking, grabbing the water and the book and things like that. I was like, that's, you know, for someone who like nearly died yesterday, that's pretty good. Oh, and I got, baby, I love to see those boots. When he came, the boots came out first and went to first before. Yeah.

[00:57:31] The jacket. The jacket. I didn't even realize that he didn't have, I thought he had the jacket before. I didn't realize that was the murder jacket. I thought he already. Yeah, it's the murder jacket. So what did he get it from? The claimers? He got it from the claimers? Yeah. Ironically, I think Rick steals quite a lot of stuff from the claimers because I'm pretty sure that's where he gets his red machete. I'm a bit like, Rick, maybe you are the bad guy. No way. Lucy?

[00:57:59] Honestly, we've done most of my stuff. I think Rosita's first line might be asking Glenn, is this yours with a picture of Maggie? Which is quite nice because Rosita and Maggie end up having their own relationship and being quite close. And yeah, we see the Grimes clan see the sign for Terminus. And that sets them on the path. Yeah. And I can't stop thinking about that robot chicken sketch with the Welcome to Terminus musical and Michonne's character going, do you think they have merch?

[00:58:29] So if anyone's not checked that out, please do. It's really funny. It's quite an earworm. I put it in the show notes last time when you mentioned it. Oh, it's great. Yeah. That was cool because I think when you don't know what's going to happen, you're watching this for the first time and everybody's scattered. There's a part of you that, or at least for a lot of viewers that can't totally appreciate it because you're just worried about when they're going to all get back together. And so then when you see these Terminus signs and we saw already Tyrese Carroll and the kids see one, right? And start heading towards it.

[00:58:59] So now when you see Rick and Michonne start heading towards it, at least partly, I think people were like, oh good. They're all headed to the same place. No, I didn't think they're going to reunite. I didn't think good. I knew, well, you know, it's the walking day. By now I have, I begin to realize that wherever they go, they, it's awful. But it's both for me as both. It's like, yeah, there's going to be some bad shit there, but at least they'll be they'll handle it together. Yeah, but they're going to be, yeah. Hmm. Okay. Just a couple.

[00:59:27] Seeing Carl so upset about Judith makes me feel really glad that he's going to get to see her again. You know, I thought about that. Cause we didn't know. Well, I guess we did know she was alive at this point. Yeah, we did. We found out last week. And then Rick's reading from this book of short stories by Jack London, which I haven't read any Jack London since I was a kid. So I went to chat GPT to remind me, and it said his stories often revolved around survival,

[00:59:56] the struggle against nature and primal instincts that can emerge in extreme situations. Um, it's about how individuals adapt when stripped of civilization, relying on instinct, strength, and willpower. His stories frequently depict characters facing brutal condition conditions, testing their limits and either evolving or perishing. So that seems very appropriate. What is the name of that? Because we, I think we're going to all need that in a minute. We're going to all. It was just selected short stories from Jack London.

[01:00:26] Okay. Thank you. We have seen Jack London be taught in the walking dead universe. By Carol. By Travis in fear of the walking dead. Oh, wow. I just remembered it there. I was like, it was the call of the wild. Cause that's the only Jack London book I know. And I'm 90% sure. I'm not going to go back and check cause I'm not going to rewatch. But I'm 90% sure in the pilot of fear. That's what he's teaching in his English classroom.

[01:00:56] I have zero memory of that. That's cool. I'm sure Nathan will know. So Nathan, let me know if I'm right or wrong. I'm sorry. They have little things they want us to pick up. They have these little Easter eggs. They want us to. Yeah. Just a nod to us. IMDB. IMDB dive. There was one that really made me laugh in this. Cause if it's not true, then someone's made it up, which is funny. If it is true, it's just funny. And it is.

[01:01:24] Andrew Lincoln performs most of his own stance, including the drop from the roof. However, he did say the most dangerous part was being distracted by costar Norman Reedus, who was mooning him from below. I hope that was true. That sounds very true. As Rick is hiding from the claimers, one of the bedrooms he hides then has a poster on the wall of the Norman Reedus movie, The Boondock Saints, which I've never seen. Is it worth seeing? I didn't like it, but most people love it. It's a cult classic, right? Yeah.

[01:01:54] What was it? How do you say it again? What was it? The Boondock Saints. Oh. I can't say it. Boondock Saints. To me, it felt like a Pulp Fiction knockoff a little bit. Oh, wow. But everyone's going to hate me for saying that. So just, it's subjective. If you love that movie, more power to you. Just get it out. Just get it out.

[01:02:24] Yeah. Paintball bullets hurt quite a lot. I have to say. Yeah, they do. Yeah. Um, in the Talking Dead poll after this episode, the question was, what's the most terrifying thing in the zombie apocalypse? Eugene's mullet won by 47%. Poor Eugene's mullet. Sure. Um, actress Christian Serratos says she is the polar opposite of her character, Rosita. In fact, she is so afraid of knives, she buys food that doesn't need to be cut. I don't know if that's true or not.

[01:02:54] One of my favorite Christian Serratos stories is we had a onesie party at one of the Walker Stalkers. It was just the cast and a bunch of us. Amazing. And she was there and I was wearing a Tigger onesie and she loves Disney. So she was all like happy. And then I, I couldn't do a Tigger impression. I think she was bummed by that. Oh, Jason. Have you been working on it ever since? I blew it. I blew my chance. Um, the final IMDB fact is this is the first appearance of the brown jacket Rick will go

[01:03:23] on to wear throughout the next few. I have one more. Um, when, when Michonne's in the bedroom with the, with the dead family and one of the bodies is holding a super dinosaur comic book, which is another comic written by Robert Kirkman. No way. They stick his comics in a lot. You got to intentionally look for details like that. Do you like into because you all are podcasting on it? Cause I definitely didn't look for. I intentionally went to the walking dead wiki and read about it. Amazing.

[01:03:53] I am. My IMDB fact is that one of the walkers in the first scene with Tara and, uh, Abraham looks like my ex boyfriend. And I was very glad. I catched him. Um, timeline wise. Uh, this is a funny one because things seem to happen on different days within this episode. So all of Abraham's stuff seems to happen on day five to five, which is Carl's pudding day.

[01:04:18] Um, but the stuff with Rick and Michonne and Carl seems to happen on day five to seven. So two days later than that, which takes us up to like the second of February. I'm skeptical about some of this timeline, but I guess it kind of makes sense. So you always say that I'm skeptical about this timeline. I know. I'm like, I don't think this is right. It's, uh, I mean, I think the most important thing, the interesting thing about the timeline stuff is to get a general idea of how far into the zombie apocalypse we are.

[01:04:47] And also to realize how close together all these things are that are happening right now. It's like each episode was a week apart, but it's all happening within a few days after the governor came. Right. Beth is going to be dead in about a week. Like if you look at it written down, but for us, it was like months and years. Right. Right. And because we had to wait so long. Yeah. I'm telling you, I used to, I, I felt like I was about to lose my mind when I wait, had to wait so long for the walking dead. It was awful. Yeah.

[01:05:17] That's why I really try to find other shows. I like, so I can, the shows that aren't on, I don't. This is my company show. Yeah, I know. Yeah, exactly. It's my company watch. Like you, I would not do not ask. I love game of Thrones, but they did my girl wrong Khaleesi. So I really don't watch it, but like I wouldn't podcast. I would not, I ain't gonna say waste my time. I would not take the time to sit down, watch it, take notes, call in. I wouldn't do that with any other show about the walking.

[01:05:47] That was the only show. My, my wee dad's just recovering from his knee operation. He's finally watching game of Thrones. I don't have the heart to tell him that he's like a million years, like behind the times. I was like, how's it going? He's like, Ned Stark's just died. I was like, oh yeah. I was like, so you're right at the start and he's like, all right, but he's like, I'm rooting for wee Khaleesi. I'm like, all right, well, good luck with that. He knows it was on a long time ago though, right? I hope so. Like, yeah, I hope so.

[01:06:17] He's, he's very into it, but it's just that way, you know, you're like, you know, that happened a while ago. Yeah. So only on the walking dead, would you try to kidnap someone because you thought we're stronger together? Oh crap. I didn't think one. Only on the walking dead. Would crazy cheese make you more sad rather than happy. Only walking dead. Will you tie your shirt up? I'm never going to stop this one. Only on the walking dead.

[01:06:46] Only on the walking dead, would you tie your shirt up and sashay off in the kitchen for you? So your future husband can look at your booty.

[01:06:56] Are they slow moving?

[01:07:30] Yeah, they're dead. They're all messed up. So I thought it should be mentioned that there are two awesome Steven Young related things happening right now. So one just ended invincible season three. I've really enjoyed that show. It's super gory. I mean, it's a cartoon, but it's like gory as hell. Oh, it's brutal. Yeah. Yeah. That's also based on another of Robert Kirkman's comics.

[01:07:58] If you guys didn't know that you're just hearing about it. I will check it out. It's on Amazon prime. A bunch of other walking dead actors have either have role supporting roles on there like Ross Marquand does or they've guested and JDM just turned up. So that's pretty cool. I haven't seen the final episode yet, but I'm looking forward to it. And even better in my opinion, Bong Joon-ho's latest Mickey 17, which stars Robert Pattinson, Naomi Ackie, who I've never seen before, but was so good.

[01:08:27] Mark Ruffalo, Tony Collette and Steven Yeun. And Steven Yeun plays kind of an a-hole and it was really fun to watch. He's brilliant. I went to see it last week and I loved it. So good. It's I mean, I wish I had time to do a whole episode on it because it's the kind of movie that I love where it is actually based on a novel, but it's pretty, you know, it's not a lot of people have heard of this. It feels like a new, fresh, original thing, not cookie cutter at all. It's edgy and dark and funny and it's sci-fi.

[01:08:57] And I just love it. So good. So good. Sci-fi. What's the name of it? Mickey 17. Mickey 17. Mm-hmm. And even just to see Steven Yeun in a role, you know, as a walking dead fan, it's great. It's really good. Next deadline reports that quote momentum for the second season of HBO is the last of us is clearly building per Warner brothers discovery. The trailer released Saturday as part of the show's South by Southwest panel amassed 158

[01:09:26] million global views across platforms in just the first three days, which is a record for HBO and max originals. The new trailer outperformed previous trailers and teasers for the last of us by margin of at least 160%. I haven't watched the trailer cause I don't, I already know I'm going to watch it. I don't want to be spoiled. I'm so excited for the last of us season two. I just want to let all you last of us fans know we're still planning a couple of last of us episodes pre season to get ready.

[01:09:52] We'll, we'll do an episode where we go over some news that's come out and talk about what we think that's coming up based on the second game. So some of that will be spoilery, but we'll have clear warnings about it. Uh, I personally think if you haven't played the game that you should stay away from spoilers. And then after that, we'll do a season one catch up episode the week before season two debuts to help refresh everyone on it. And that will only be spoilery on the stuff that happened in season one.

[01:10:18] So everyone who wants to get ready and be reminded going into it, that would be a good one to listen to. Are you into that at all? Renee? The last of us? The last of us? Yes! I made a post about, I love the last of us. Good. Well, Jason, you have some excellent, um, people on your team podcasters because Penny, that's my friend. She and I have been talking. Yeah.

[01:10:41] And I was telling her that I wanted, um, that I was fasting and I went to call in for the Handmade Steel and the Wheel of Time. And so she told me she was going to reach out to some of the people that do that and they were going to inbox me and they did. Um, I forgot for the little time. I forgot the guy's name, but he inboxed me. He told me. Yeah. I really appreciate that. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Some great shows we're covering, coming out. You really are. They don't have to do that.

[01:11:11] Cause I know they busy, you know? I appreciate that. Oh yeah. It's all about the, the community with us. You got to find your people and stick to them like wet on water. That's what Abraham told me. All right. That's it for the news. Let's move on to listener moans, groans, grunts. Lisa Edmison Walker.

[01:11:38] I just watched an episode of ER with Michael colors in it. Uh, smiling face emoji, laughing, laughing emoji. He's like, how do you pronounce his last name? Cutlet? Cutlets. Cutlets. Cutlets. Yeah. I loved him in, um, um, gross point blank. So funny. He's another one who's been in everything, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:12:04] Um, my favorite improviser and yours, Jenny Ryan says, Renee, I will have to listen to this for sure. Renee is amazing. Jenny is amazing too. So it's two amazing people. I love it. Thank you, Jenny. Sweet. Emily Rochette said, I had a diet Coke. My favorite movie is Stargate laugh emojis. Sorry. You just got me into bad lip readings. Yeah.

[01:12:32] I tell you, Oh my God. I mean, I stayed up all night when I, Oh my God. They're so good though. I love that so much. Now this last name, how do you pronounce it? I would say Presta Giacomo. Amanda K. Presta. Finish it, Jason. Presta Giacomo. Presta. Listen, this is Geechee. Okay. Presta Giacomo. I'm sorry. Yeah. Okay.

[01:13:03] Excited to hear more of Mrs. Renee. Love her voicemail for walking dead and the house of dragon. Oh, man. That's super sweet. Thank you. Um, Matt King says Eugene plus machine gun equals chaos. This felt like a filler episode though. It was good to find out some of Michonne's backstory. I guess. Alma Contreras says, Woohoo, Renee. Ugh, the claimers episode.

[01:13:33] I didn't like these guys, but I do recall getting a few laughs from some of the stuff they said. I hated how Daryl felt forced into hanging with them. Well, catch y'all in the cast. Very excited to hear Renee join our dynamic duo. Thanks Alma. Thanks Alma. I feel like Alma and Renee, you guys, which vibe? We do. We vibe all the time. I love it. Absolutely. The other podcast. That's my favorite. Amazing. That's cool. I'm really glad to hear that. All right.

[01:14:02] Here's a call from Steve Brown. Hello, the cast of us. This is Steve. And this is for the walking dead season four, episode 11 claimed crook road. I don't know why that just made me giggle. Good old Abraham doesn't want to waste bullets. So he's just going to take him out himself. And now we come back to Carl and Michonne and she's, is she wearing Rick shirt? Not Rick shirt. Just an extremely comfortable and attractive shirt. Oh, joking about milk.

[01:14:31] And he mentioned Judith and you see him stop. And Chandler Riggs is really a good actor. Really is good. I had to pause it for a second because remembering, you know, Rick and Michonne from the last of us and this conversation they're having in the kitchen here where he tells Michonne that he can't be Carl's father and his best friend, that he needs her to be a best friend. Wow. That's so wow. This, the writers of the last of us really understood where these characters were and what's going on with them. Oh, I never noticed that before.

[01:14:59] Rick giving Carl his Python, his cold Python. That's a big deal. You're on the porch with, with three of them about to send out Carl and Michonne to go scavenge. Toddlers find me funny. This Michonne and Carl relationship, seeing it start here at the beginning is really great. Oh, and she just revealed to him that she used to have a son, a three year old. Oh, and Rick wakes up to people in the house or men arguing in the house and we go to a non-existent commercial and come back to Rick. Boy, I remember this now. Yeah. He's going to hide.

[01:15:29] Oh, that is an ugly painting that why was it? It all covered up. But this conversation between Michonne and Carl was great, but now she finds this painting or he gives her this painting. I don't understand. Oh, Michonne found a kid's room. Is she going to find a kid zombie? I hope. Oh, on the bed. Oh, the guy on the bed just said claims. How the episode might drop, but of course now they're fighting over it. Okay. So Doc Martens just killed the guy and now he's on the bed. Oh, I really like Abraham.

[01:15:57] That monologue about the world we live in was very military like. He's on mission. So I love it. We get the first reveal that Eugene is a doctor who knows what all started this and Rosita is still looking sexy. Oh, Abraham telling them that Maggie is gone. No, that's, that's no bueno, sir. Oh, Eugene fumbled him with the rifle and he's shooting walkers, but he also shot the truck. Cool. We cut back to Rick and this is tense, man.

[01:16:25] This is him in the house and these bad guys when they figured out that somebody was staying in the house and one of them was a woman. When Rick just found a guy taking a dump, I guess the guy wasn't, he was just sitting in the bathroom. And Rick killed him anyway. So back to Abraham and how did you kill the truck? Eugene convinces Abraham to go with Tara and Glenn and Rosita because I'm smarter than you. You guys are spoilerful.

[01:16:52] So we know what the truth is with, with Eugene, but it's just funny to see. Oh, and Rick sees Carl Michonne coming back and Jeff Kober is sitting on the porch. Well, I guess one of the dead guys just woke up in the house. So that spared him. Oh, and Rick takes the bandage off his hand as they see the sign for terminus and let's go. All right. On to next week. I think when I read the comic, I, I thought there was a chance Eugene was telling the truth, but probably not. I don't know.

[01:17:24] Never. Megan, I believe layman. So funny that you just, that you just hit this episode because today I randomly saw a clip of the actor named Jeff Kober who played claimer Joe when he appeared in the episode of law and order. It's be you earlier in the career earlier in his career. I had to look him up to figure out why he looks so familiar.

[01:17:47] He looked really different on SVU, but equally unhinged and evil playing a character named Abraham, the leader of a cult who married an infragnated young girl. You know what? Exactly. I'm glad I'm going to throw all over again. That's cool. Nice. Megan. Jacob Decker says, one of my favorite aerial view shots when Glenn is lying there on his back about to fall and all the walkers zombies geeks are underneath him at the fall of the prison.

[01:18:16] Just beautiful directing. Also, why does anyone in their right mind tell someone, hey, you ain't ever going to see your missing wife again? Like bro, for real, be positive. Glad Glenn turned around slowly to swat Abraham's mouth. Thank you all for this rewatch. It's my favorite Monday podcast, along with kill Tony. This is important. I just want to know what your favorite workaholic guys. What's your favorite Tuesday podcast? Yeah, exactly. Every day of the week. We want to know. We want to know. Thanks, Jacob.

[01:18:45] Becky Anderson says, hey, Lucy, Jason and Renee. Very excited to hear the podcast when it comes out. Knowing you'd be on Renee. I'm giving a shout out to the shirtless Rick seat. Aren't we all? This episode had some great character building. Michonne with Carl was great. Protecting him from seeing the horror of the dead family and how she opened up to him. His your secrets are safe with me is one of the best Carl moments. The scenes of Rick hiding and escaping from the bad guys in the house was intense.

[01:19:13] I love when a show can make a scene great when there's a little dialogue. Yeah, me too. Absolutely. I felt his fear. The real MVP of this episode, though, is a can of crazy cheese or as we call it in the South, squeezy cheese. Much love to y'all. Yay! It's good. All right, cool. Here's Archmaester Rennie.

[01:19:32] One thing I noticed in this episode is when Michonne sprays the crazy cheese in her mouth and lets it hang down her chin and kind of pretends to be a walker to cheer Carl up. And Carl doesn't think it's funny at all.

[01:19:50] That kind of echoes back to a few episodes ago when Michonne saw the walker in the herd she was traveling with that kind of looked like her. And that was like a reflection of what she could become. And now she's so far past that.

[01:20:14] She's so dedicated to being alive, being part of this group, this family, that she can actually make a joke about it. So I thought that was interesting. Yeah, I love that. And I also wonder whether Lucy's IMDB dive is going to mention the interesting continuity error in this episode.

[01:20:39] When Rick goes into the bathroom, one of the claimers is sitting on the toilet, presumably doing what people do when they're sitting on toilets. But after he has succeeded in strangling the guy when he's got him down on the floor, you can clearly see that the toilet seat lid is down. It has a really ugly green shag cover on it, and it is definitely closed.

[01:21:06] So there isn't any reason why that guy would have been sitting on a closed toilet seat. That is all. It makes me want to go back and look at that scene. I know. What are you doing in there? It was. It was because my guard daughter said, she's like, grandma, did you see that toilet? She saw you. She sure definitely said something. And I was like, oh, it has a cover on it, girl. Maybe he was sitting there trying to get away from those crazy people. Yeah. I was going to say, like, I've been in, like, per the bat was for professional situations where I've gone to hide in the toilet.

[01:21:36] So, like... Yes. The worst thing is if he was some guy that they came upon and he pretended to be tough because he didn't want to kill him. And he went into the bathroom to cry to himself and Rick came in there and killed him. Aw. No, that did not happen. Well, he's been hiding there for, like, the last two weeks, like, what? No, what happened? And the noise, it was like, so no one heard them fighting. Like, you guys were fighting and no one heard that. No one. Yeah.

[01:22:05] But Rick got around his throat really quick so he at least couldn't scream to him. Yeah, but they were walking into the door and doing anything. Yeah, that noise, okay. That's true. Trying to get to the... Billy Thompson. That's Billy Thompson. Hello, hello. Hope you guys are well. This episode has it all. Tense scenes, character building, zombie slain. What an absolutely classic Walking Dead episode. Ah, yes, the claimers.

[01:22:29] They always remind me of the webisode about Rick's red machete, where it falls into the hand at some point throughout its life. Quick question. Did you guys ever cover the webisode? Webisode? Uh, we've talked about them a little, but I don't think we've ever done a whole episode. If we were going to do one, that would be the one because that was my favorite. Red machete. Yeah. Yeah. Good one. The scene of Rick under the bed was still so intense, even though we all know that he

[01:22:59] escapes it and still manages to capture that feeling of playing hide and seek when you was a kid and almost getting found. Do we know if Daryl was with them at this point or not? I can't seem to remember. I don't think so. No. Not yet. Mm-mm. Rick, Michonne, and Carl are really starting to become a little family now. Yes, they are. It's completely beyond me how I didn't realize on the first watch that Rick and Michonne would eventually become an item.

[01:23:28] It's just so damn obvious. Yes, it is. You got to just love Glenn's heart. Abe is such a badass. There is no chance I'd be taking a swing at him. I didn't read the comics until after watching the show and still haven't completely finished, but when did you guys realize something was up with Eugene? Hmm. Probably right from the start, yeah. Yeah. I think it was this episode, the first time around, that I started getting suspicious

[01:23:58] with his happy smile, was walking in the opposite direction of DC. Anyways, thanks, guys. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. We got Rachel Teal Edwards. Oh, Rachel. Always nice to hear from you. Rachel says, Renee! I can't wait to hear all you have to say about this episode. I mean, I'm sure you would have loved to be in the house with Rick taking care of your

[01:24:24] man, nurturing him back to health, maybe giving him a sponge bath because OMG he's so sweaty and disgusting in this episode. I can't take it. But damn, the claimers are terrifying. I freaking love this episode though. I don't even remember all the, all the, the, I didn't even remember that all the Abraham slash Glenn stuff happened too. In my memory, Rick being trapped in the house and trying to evade the claimers was like 90% of this episode. How is it actually just a fraction of that? Yeah.

[01:24:52] Those scenes are just so good, exciting and well executed. Seeing this house when we toured Senai a few years ago was one of the highlights of the whole Walker Stalker weekend for me. Of course, it's a joy seeing Michonne and Carl Bond as she finally reveals that she had a son. I like that while he's scavenging what he can from the house, Michonne is casually ambling around and looking at all the artwork they had on the walls. It tracks with her recent flashback slash dream that she's into art and likes to critique it.

[01:25:19] I'm sure some of what they had in this house was pedestrian too. I have one thing to say about the Glenn storyline. They passed the bus three hours ago. Do you know how far they've driven in three hours or how long it would take to walk back the same distance and attempt to find Maggie? I made Grok do the math for me and if they were going on average of 40 miles an hour, it would take 40 hours to walk the same distance. They are so far away from where they started. I know I'm being nitpicky, but that's an absurd distance to cover.

[01:25:48] Tara should have said they passed the bus an hour and a half ago or something. I'm much more believable. Never mind the walking dead people or the idea that Glenn would even stand a chance against Abraham in a fist fight. This is the thing I'm stuck on today. Okay, I don't have much to say this week because I'm already working on my thesis for next week. I am forever obsessed with still and can wax poetic about Bethel like Renee can about Rick Grimes. So I need time to edit my thoughts. Cheers, fam. Can't wait to listen. Aww.

[01:26:15] That's actually when I as Lucy was reading this, I thought it was going to be longer than a 40 hour walk. So that's not so bad, I think. I mean, it would take a few days, but maybe they, I don't remember if they find a car or something. But you mentioned still next week's episode. That's the one where Beth and Daryl play never have I ever over a jar of moonshine. And in honor of that for our Patreon group, we're going to play a game of that over zoom that weekend.

[01:26:43] That's coming up for Patreon people. So we're going to drink, do a little day drinking so Lucy can join us for that one. Yeah, man. All right. Here is our final call from Carly. Hi, Jason and Lucy. This is Carly in Santa Fe. And I wanted to talk about claimed. Abraham and Eugene. I lived in Austin, Texas for about a decade and I was working in state level politics.

[01:27:12] So I traveled around and met people from all over the state. And I would not blink to meet someone like Abraham or Eugene, the way they talk, the way they dress, the way their hair is styled. I mean, Abraham having obviously dyed red hair would raise some eyebrows, but if he was a natural redhead, no, no blinking whatsoever. Like they just, they never struck me as anything cartoonish or out of place. Like, yep, those are some dudes from Texas.

[01:27:40] I feel like I've met people like them multiple times. I feel like the other thing in this episode that really stood out to me was Rick being just so happy to have Michonne, you know, she's taking care of his son, letting him rest. He can trust her completely. It was just really nice to see him be able to relax, you know, like, I mean, it's just, it's just nice.

[01:28:07] And that is something I totally missed every other time I've watched this show is that, just that comfort, that security and having someone you trust to take care of things, setting a foundation for a real relationship and an equal relationship. I love it. Um, and then the last thing I wanted to say that stood out to me was Abraham trying to convince

[01:28:34] Tara that hit that helping Glenn find his wife isn't important. Like that there's a, there's a hierarchy of, of important things to do in this situation and saving the whole damn world is a higher priority than helping some guy find his wife. And for Tara, that's not the case. Like, I think Tara really likes Abraham when she meets him, you know, he's smiling and she's just, I think she admires him and their whole, their whole crew.

[01:29:02] But, um, but, but there's that fundamental disagreement that nope, Tara either out of guilt or some other obligation, she's going to help Glenn find his wife. And that, that relationship is more important than even curing the world of the zombie biographies. Uh, so I thought that was a cool thing to think about. Have a great week. Don't get bit. Thank you, Carly. Oh, thanks Carly.

[01:29:32] I thought it was, um, also maybe a sign that she just wasn't sure she believed what Eugene was selling. Mm hmm. You know? And then we have one final message from Michael Koska who says, Renee's the best. My friend. Yay. Yay. He's right. He's right. Oh, I feel the same exact way about you. He's a great guy. I met some wonderful people. I'm telling you, since I joined this podcast, I really have. Me too.

[01:30:02] Good people. All right. That is our show episode 629. Thanks so much, everybody for listening as always. Renee, thank you so much. And, uh, just thanks for participating in this, this whole time. And it's always so much fun to hear messages and they're just like full of life. And it's just really fun to hear you talk about the show. Thank you guys for inviting me on. I love this and I'm just so happy I got to see Lucy, my girl.

[01:30:32] Yeah, hopefully not for the last time. Hopefully just the first. Definitely not. So next we'll have The Walking Dead season 4 episode 12 still. And if you want to write in or leave us a voice message about it, you can find all our contact information at podcastica.com. And while you're there, please check out our other podcasts, one of which is Yellow Jacks WTF, which I'm finally going to get to go and join.

[01:30:58] I've been watching all season long and listening along and I get to go beyond it now. So I'm excited for the next week. And this episode is made possible by Patreon supporters like Kay Ray, who've pledged their support at patreon.com slash Jason Cabassi. So thank you to Kay and everyone else who does that. Uh, without it, I wouldn't be podcasting still, or at least not at the level I am. I would probably still be doing this one, honestly, but not all the other ones.

[01:31:26] But, uh, I, um, I always release these episodes ad free for patrons. So that's one of the perks and, uh, with the rewatch episodes, if I, if I can get it edited in time, I usually release it a few days early. And as I mentioned earlier, uh, in honor, in honor of Beth and Daryl playing never have I ever, we're going to get together over zoom that weekend and play a game of it ourselves. And anyone who supports through Patreon can join Lucy's going to be there. Renee, you think you might join in on that? I'm definitely sure.

[01:31:56] I'm going to have to drink Kool-Aid. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah. You don't have to drink moonshine. That sounds fun. What about Peter? He'll be there. He's going to be there. We can find out some things. I'll find out some things. Sorry. All right. That is our show. Thanks for listening. Don't get bit, Amanda Kay Prestigicomo.