14. "Meet the Parent" (S2E5)

[00:00:00] Hey everybody, welcome to our podcast. I'm Greg and I'm Penny. And this is The Extraordinary Cast, a podcast dedicated to the Hulu and Disney Plus series, Extraordinary created by Emma Moran. In this episode, we're covering season two, episode five, Meet the Parent written

[00:00:34] by Emma Moran and directed by Jennifer Sheridan. All right, so to me more of a return to form. This is more of what I wanted to see. This is more of what I like. This this is closer

[00:00:47] to what I was shooting for. Yeah. I'm hoping for it. I hope the rest of the season continues in this direction because last episode was better than the one before and this one was better than last episode. So I'm feeling good about the final three. Yeah, I think

[00:01:03] a big part of it is that I really enjoyed or not enjoyed, but I enjoy flashback episodes and especially the entire concept of an unreliable narrator. Oh, yeah, that's true. It's a little bit different in this position because you hear what she does, what Jen describes

[00:01:23] and then you see what actually has occurred. But then you get a very memento style where you see the end and then you see various portions throughout the. Yeah, it's not linear. Yeah. And the nonlinear aspect of it really, I when it all came together at the end,

[00:01:44] I was like, oh, that's that. Oh, this is this makes sense. This is awesome. It's funny because Cassius power is a little bit like a nonlinear narrative, right? Because he jumps forward and back. He doesn't always know what happened in the middle. He just knows

[00:02:01] where it's going to end up. And then he discovers along with the audience how we get there and how his actions actually derive it, right? It's almost like a time heist or time heist film where it's like, oh, well, we need to figure out how to avoid

[00:02:21] this situation and by trying to avoid it, you create it. And yes, so very edible. Yeah, it was faded all along. But anyway, move it on to the recap. Penny, how about

[00:02:38] you take the Amazon recap for us? Sure. Short version. Jen has her parents over for dinner to officially introduce them to Gis Lord as her boyfriend. And meanwhile, Cash and Carrie try to reenter the dating pool. Cash is having a hard time controlling his new power.

[00:02:57] Thank you, Amazon. That was pointless. I guess that was like, I mean, that was that was more that was actually better than some of like the rings of power ones or wheel of time ones.

[00:03:09] Yeah, it was like, oh, the travelers have a hard time. Well, yeah, thanks. No shit. It's a fucking drama. Of course they had a hard time. All right, so the more the more detailed recap

[00:03:21] in my fancy posh English voice. Jen recaps her family bonding night with the clinic doctor with middling success at truthfulness. Cash and Carrie having determined that setting each other up with new dates is the perfectly logical solution. Work to get each other into

[00:03:39] the dating pool. Carrie attempts to make up Cash's electronic dating profile, and Cash uses a bro's night to determine if Clark is in to Carrie. At family dinner, sparks fly as Jen,

[00:03:52] Gis Lord, Mary, and Ian eat dinner, sort of. Play games, kind of, and the night ends with the arrival and inclusion of an unexpected guest. I guess I shifted accents in the middle of that, but whatever. Oh well, no one's gonna complain. It's fine.

[00:04:11] Who the hell is that? What is going on? But like I said, I enjoyed this one. Like there were good comical moments. There were really great, like just like we had a lot of time in Jen's library. We saw a lot of awesome

[00:04:33] signs and we got a little bit better. You know, we got to the gold stars, right? Yeah. To people who... Jen made actual progress. Well she made progress and then like we saw it in the in credit scene, right? Or the post

[00:04:52] credit scene, but you see the light light up when she's just kind of staring down at the glancing down at the star and she's just so proud of herself. And you're like,

[00:05:05] oh this is going to end poorly. Oh yeah. Nothing ever really seems to end well for Jen. That's true. That's true. I do like the end of this. Like nothing was better. Like

[00:05:20] Jen made progress. Okay sure that was better. But like Mary, she didn't go and like make up everything and you know, I'm hoping that it's not the end of Mary. I didn't particularly care

[00:05:35] for Mary's inclusion in the Halloween episode but I mean... I love her as a character and I do want to see more of her so I hope she'll be back. Just like the statement, you know, he's the only parent you'll get. It makes me feel not...

[00:05:56] I mean that's a horrible thing for any parent to say to their kid but she was hurting and I'm... I don't think it's a statement she's going to stick to. I hope not. That's really extreme position.

[00:06:11] Well and what we kind of got into last episode was, I believe, it was that that Andy... when was it? Was it the end of last episode, last season when Andy basically didn't want her as a part of her life and that's why she came to Jen's party

[00:06:30] and he felt like basically because everything else was screwed. That was why Mary was coming to visit with Jen and then I feel like I remember that but I'm not 100% sure. I don't remember that at all so I don't know. Maybe it's in my head, I don't know.

[00:06:48] Yeah maybe that's some Greg headcanon because I thought Mary came to the party because... Oh because Jen invited her, right? Jen invited her but also because she feels like there's a distance between her and Jen

[00:07:02] and Jen never lets her into her life so the fact that Jen invited her she was like, it's movement on that, right? Like Jen isn't keeping me out. I get to come and see her home and everything so... And interrogate her boyfriend and ask him

[00:07:20] if he's in the habit of knocking up women and abandoning them. Oh yeah, I mean that's mean. Doesn't she know the story that he had amnesia and stuff? Come on, that's not his fault.

[00:07:31] Yeah I can't imagine that... well like you say not his fault but I can see where if you felt like you were stuck in Rob Clutton's life or he was stuck in his life

[00:07:44] then he might be like, well I'll just take a quick break and then four years later you wake up because of magic tits. All right well we will go ahead and get into our points in

[00:08:02] just a minute. We'll take a quick break. We'll be back. Stay with us. And we are back. All right let's get into our discussion. Yeah. Penny you want to start off? Sure, let's start with

[00:08:16] the sort of framing device of the episode which is Jen and her therapy and her recounting you know this dinner and also Cassius adventures with Clark to her therapist. And you know I love

[00:08:32] any moment that we get to spend in Jen's bookstore library whatever it is brain space because it's it just seems so much like the brain space I would create right mine would be a little higgledy-piggledy and would have like handmade labels and weird categories of books. I was

[00:08:53] spending a little time wondering what Carrie's brain space would look like and I imagine it would be very tidy and organized and the categories would be what you would expect. They would be very you know respectable because Carrie is a rule follower and Jen is you know

[00:09:15] pretty sure she has ADHD. She seems to be a little neurodivergent. So yeah I love the bookstore space. I love that it responds dynamically to her emotional state like at one point she was thinking about something Gis Lorde did and it like lit up a heart behind

[00:09:35] her. I was like oh that's cute that's like what your brain does that's adorable. There were some new categories that we got to see. Dad's bad jokes, Christmas presents bad, Catholic guilt, history of the Regan family which was a whole shelf, one night stands,

[00:09:54] crushes, parentheses celebrity, misheard song lyrics. There was a book called London pubs that don't ask for ID, a book called teachers I've called mum which yeah that's just so funny because it's so humiliating and then book of inappropriate crushes and the book of inappropriate

[00:10:14] crushes was like furry and sparkly and pink and furry awesome. Yep it was so great so fantastic. I wanted to ask you why do you think she is lying to her therapist about her father

[00:10:31] and being dodgy about it? Like I understand that she has issues with her father being dead and you know she wishes he weren't and she still keeps in touch with him through Carrie

[00:10:43] but the fact that his him being dead wasn't like part of her sort of foundational information that she gave to the therapist and that she was trying to keep it a secret was so illogical

[00:10:57] to me. I didn't really understand why she would do that. What's the game? I understand not wanting to talk about it. So I would say that for her it's a it's an again just my viewpoint

[00:11:16] it's it's an avoiding of the pain she has not dealt with the fact that her father has died. I am really curious especially with the anger that Mary showed. I am really curious

[00:11:32] how he died. Did he kill himself? Did he leave them and then something happened to him? Was I want to know more about that? Right was there some kind of crime? Was there drunk driving? Was there something to give Mary a reason to just not want to

[00:11:56] talk with him? And the reason I say that well one of the reasons I say that is I just happened to recently watch the Black Mirror episode Be Right Back which is about the loss of a spouse

[00:12:12] and then what people will do in order to cope with that. And this was like feeding your Facebook and social media into a program that can AI your spouse's voice and your spouse's like the idioms that they spoke and the tone of their language and their sarcasm.

[00:12:35] It can't do everything. It can't reproduce the person but so like that's what makes me go she's really really upset about this. Not just the fact that he died because many I think many people whose spouses or family members have passed on would love nothing more

[00:12:58] than to be able to have a conversation with a loved one who had passed. But she did not at all. Yeah she was so furious. Yeah she was absolutely furious about it and and I think I mean one of Mary's lines that really made me laugh was

[00:13:23] you know we were she's not what the word we're robust but riddled with mental illness. Yeah that was good. It helped during the famine but now it's just a liability. That's really funny.

[00:13:41] Just like oh okay that wow yeah I mean it's also you know very kind of self an understanding of self and it was it was kind of a funny throwaway line but you know if that is in

[00:13:59] fact a thing in their family it's hard. Yeah and she's right Jen is not ready to be a parent. Oh absolutely not. Look God no. No no no no. But yeah this it was just like I really did

[00:14:17] enjoy the insight into the family dynamic and even more so than excuse me. I mean because we talked about it before right. Like Andy is 18. Yeah like so her Jen's dad has been

[00:14:38] dead for probably 20 plus years. Yeah and so I mean if if if Andy is is Ian and Mary's child then I mean she's 18 plus and I imagine it was at least a while before she got remarried.

[00:14:56] Yeah so yeah and that means that Jen was probably like less than 10 maybe six or eight whenever her dad died. So yeah so it's and also I mean a kid's relationship with their parent is very different from a spouse's relationship. Absolutely. She may not even

[00:15:18] know all the history of how her father died right. Like there's family legends about stuff like that and parents tell their kids you know half truths or non-truths in order to make

[00:15:28] something easier for a little kid. But then when they're an adult it means that they don't know what the real story is. Yeah like I had I had a I guess my grandfather's brother

[00:15:43] like Uncle Ted no one ever talked about him ever. I didn't hear about him until I was in my mid to late 30s. Yeah and and I was just like wait what oh yeah he had some problems

[00:15:57] and so no one ever talked about him. Like okay well I kind of want to know about you know this person that I just never knew existed. The same thing with like my parents. My parents

[00:16:09] got married and then divorced and then like three years later got remarried and then a year later had me. That's a story yeah there's a story there. Didn't find that out until I was

[00:16:21] in my mid 20s when my my aunt mentioned to me that uh oh when your parents got divorced I was like it was like the what huh and uh it was like oh you didn't know. Oh oops no I didn't.

[00:16:38] Yeah that's usually how those stories come out too it's like somebody doesn't know they're supposed to keep a secret. Right but yeah so I think that I think that the biggest thing

[00:16:48] I think my my thought process on it is that she's ashamed and this is the only real relationship that she remembers with her dad and it's not the parent relationship that that most of her friends or classmates or whatever growing up had

[00:17:07] and it's almost like a secret. Her other friends besides Carrie may not know or Carrie and Cash may not know that she talks to her dad to her dead father on a regular basis. Yeah and it's an embarrassment for her. She can't cope, she can't understand it,

[00:17:23] she can't deal with it and if she talks about it that's her having to deal with it which is why it was a big deal when at the end of the episode she said he's dead and other things

[00:17:38] and he was like that's a big deal. Yeah here's your gold star yeah that was the big breakthrough that she had was being able to say it out loud so yeah denial seems like what her issue was

[00:17:52] but if you were going into therapy with the idea that you were going to improve yourself that and I think I've talked about this if you're going into therapy with that initial concept

[00:18:07] you want to be open, you want to be honest, you know the hard work, you know the work can't happen unless you're honest but if you are going into therapy for a different reason i.e. to

[00:18:23] get a power and you don't really understand what blocking you know hey if I just fixed my relationship with my parents or my mom then it'll be better, I'll get a power. Jen is very self-focused, very self-centered, very self-not aware but she's very much

[00:18:46] this is the focus and this is what I'm working towards. If all I have to do is this I can do that right? Self-improvement's a fucking what she what'd she call it?

[00:18:59] A cakewalk or whatever. I can't remember what she said but yeah she said it was easy at first but of course it's not. Yeah but I mean if you're going in well why would I need to do all this other stuff

[00:19:11] why would I need to do this deep head work and go through the trauma and the pain that I have to go through if all I have to do is fix my my relationship with mom my mom it doesn't

[00:19:21] have nothing to do with my dad like yeah she's being sort of intentionally obtuse yeah and I think that that would be the the reason behind it which is I mean a reasonable

[00:19:35] thing. A lot of people have a hard time addressing the things that might be wrong with them. Would you want to speak to a loved one who had passed away that you had like grieved and

[00:19:47] gotten past? My little brother absolutely. If I could if I could have a conversation with him I'm not saying it would fix everything but like you know we I yeah 100% without question like if I could if I could have a conversation with him

[00:20:07] if I had the capability to talk with him on a regular basis like that'd be that would be a godsend. Yeah so so yeah. I feel like it would be really emotionally confusing

[00:20:20] but worth it. I think once you have addressed it and you are able to absorb the you be grateful for the interaction but if you don't if you haven't actually addressed it and you're using

[00:20:38] that as a crutch to get through which is what I think Jen is doing yes that that is that can be basically just it emotionally traumatizing yourself even further. It's delaying maybe not the inevitable but the what will come. It's funny because I have been catching up on

[00:21:05] Walking Dead lately because our friends over at the cast of us are doing a rewatch and they're in season two and the barn thing has just recently happened and I was thinking about how Herschel and Beth and Maggie had to grieve again because they were in denial

[00:21:25] that they had lost people certain people. Yeah I mean it's just funny timing to have this and that at the same time. Yeah funny is a funny word. Yeah. Okay so yeah so like that's

[00:21:44] the I think that that relationship between her and her dad and then that was like it was a huge crux to this and it was kind of like the big reveal at the end and it's almost

[00:21:59] what kind of what the what the doctor was was saying in that what is it that you aren't telling me because it was the last thing that she had to reveal. Like it shows that that's the thing

[00:22:15] that she feels is the most wrong with her and like oh god do we have to have to say goodbye to your dad after having a almost a lifelong relationship with him via your best friend.

[00:22:27] Yeah it's complicated and layered and sad it's really sad. I guess it wouldn't have been a lifelong it would have been about 10 years ago right so only 10 years that you've been able to do this. Well no not even because Carrie and Jen are 25 and you get your powers

[00:22:43] at 18 right powers have been in this world for 10 years but they would have it would be seven years with them. Yeah so yeah and I know that we're trying to put dates yeah try to create a

[00:22:57] canon to this timeline do this to this very silly show but I still think there's a possibility that this the end of this show is going to be some kind of it all happened in Jen's head reveal. The fact that the outside of their apartment that the door

[00:23:16] next to it the store is says cash and Carrie. It jumps out at me every time. Yeah same here since we pointed out like in the first couple episodes I think you pointed out to me and I

[00:23:26] was like wow that is crazy. There's something about that that really makes me think that we're not even seeing like there's we're seeing like something in a bubble and we're gonna at

[00:23:38] some point the show is going to take us outside the bubble whether that's like there are people who are controlling everything or you know it's like a puzzle box show right like what's happening what's really happening except it's silly. What's in the box? Yeah instead of it

[00:23:54] being like freaking scary like from it's it's a silly version but it's the same thing it's like are they in this world because they're being experimented on is this the real world like what is actually happening because there's also been all those posters and things that

[00:24:09] are like powers aren't real and yeah I hope we get some payoff on that soon. All right how about we take a hard left turn? Yeah okay. All right so let me just say I did not hate

[00:24:27] Cash this episode. Oh my god yeah. I said it and I like nothing that he did made me go what the hell is wrong with you man like nothing and I was just like okay I actually

[00:24:46] when I went to go re-watch this I actually was like I'm looking forward to the Cash you know the Cash storyline. Yeah he was not being a complete tool. Yeah and I mean Clark I thought

[00:24:58] was great. He's so cute. And he was just so like very first date-ish and like meek and hey we're sitting on the couch together watching tv and you know we know what's in Cash's head

[00:25:20] initially and he's afraid of what's happening and Clark is just like I'm afraid of what's happening because I don't know what's happening. Yeah but he's all like he's got that like that energy yeah that is so there's it's such a fun feeling I mean it's like scary

[00:25:41] because you don't know if the person likes you back or not but it's also like like the whole world is possibilities when you're at that point in a relationship with a new person where you're

[00:25:51] like does he like me does he not like me are we gonna kiss are we not gonna kiss oh my god he's so cute he's sitting so close to me like and he keeps like jumping up and down he's

[00:26:01] he's like a jack-in-the-box he's all he's all jumpy and and you know that's why they spill the red wine and uh the whole thing was just really adorable I thought I loved his apartment

[00:26:12] too really cool looking apartment yeah well and like and it was funny because I you know he did exactly what Carrie longed for Cash to do he did uh you know he Cash mentioned the medieval

[00:26:32] helmet and oh I'm I said that this is what I always wanted to do I remembered I remembered and he's like okay you're just like it was it was so sweet and it was uh it was it was I thought

[00:26:50] it was great yeah and I the that oh that whole sequence even when Cash was trying to oh have you seen my speaker no oh well I always wanted I needed to check out my record player anyway

[00:27:03] oh no I made it happen yeah oh red wine red wine oh here oh I forgot we had that roha it was like oh no you're doing it to yourself man yeah so funny yeah when he pulls out the

[00:27:19] the vinyl of seal and it's in the like plastic wrapper and everything I just lost it I was like that's so awesome I mean I love that song too oh yeah I mean I cannot hear that song

[00:27:30] without thinking of Batman Forever which is it was on the soundtrack and it was very very popular at that particular time and that was the first of the I mean I think it was the best

[00:27:41] of the silly Batman movies I wouldn't go that far I think there were I think there were only two silly Batman movies which were Batman Forever and then Batman and Robin so I of the two I

[00:27:55] much prefer Jim Carrey and Tom Lee Jones in Batman Forever but anyway anyway um I associate that song with Yellow Jackets it's featured rather heavily in an episode in season one and it was one of those things where this always happens to me with music that's featured

[00:28:13] on tv shows you know I rediscover a song that I loved many years before and then it becomes like heavy rotation in my playlist so um there's been a lot of seal on my singalongs

[00:28:25] in the car playlist it is a good song like it reminds me of just because of how kind of mainstream it became so Lincoln Park the the song from the the Transformers movie

[00:28:44] what I become or what I've become like it I listen to it and I go this is so like mainstream and which is not what Lincoln Park was for for quite some time but I still can't help

[00:28:58] but go like I really do enjoy that like I turn it up every time it comes on it's a good song but uh yeah both of them are um yeah yeah no I really liked the the Cash and Clark storyline

[00:29:11] the one thing I didn't get what well there's a couple of things I don't get first of all when we first met Clark I was like clearly he's gay so the fact that none of them even thought

[00:29:22] he might be gay or anything was weird to me but then also when he reveals like immediately he reveals to Cash that he's gay Cash should have texted Carrie right away and been like

[00:29:33] Clark is gay it's the easiest thing to say to someone when they like someone and that person doesn't like them back it gets so much easier than saying like he's not into you or

[00:29:43] whatever because that's hurtful but he's gay and Carrie can move on and Cash didn't do anything wrong and like it's just information I was like why isn't he just telling her but I guess he

[00:29:57] was so wrapped up in the trying to prevent the kiss thing it didn't occur to him that he could do that so I think like I think that is is exactly company moment it's exactly what

[00:30:06] you're talking about it's exactly what you're saying it is he was so into avoiding the situation of the kiss I mean he didn't know that he was the one who was going to initiate the kiss

[00:30:21] but when he just pops in and he's like whoa what is happening and then pops back out he's just like uh okay well how can I avoid this I could just make Clark not gay that's

[00:30:34] what I'll do if he's into care if Carrie's if he's into Carrie then he's not gay and I'm not going to kiss him so I think you're right I think that was very much a what can I do to avoid the

[00:30:44] situation that I think I might be in instead of oh shit Carrie he's he's not into you because he's you're not a dude yeah but yeah I did I like the fact that I love the way

[00:31:00] the Clark mentioned uh so you like Carrie from work well I mean she's like not a man so no not really my type yeah I love his throwaway line where he's like I do work six jobs so yeah

[00:31:15] yeah that's how we can afford to live alone I was like yeah that would be helpful I indulge myself um and he said I'm not supposed to be done with work at wadaway or whatever it was

[00:31:29] until 11 so we've got the house to ourselves yeah which makes me wonder back to kind of what we were talking about last time or last episode this these seem like different personalities of

[00:31:40] Clark yeah when he is together is it or when he splits apart is our does he remember does he know what's going on elsewhere I'm assuming not yeah it's unclear yeah like does he is he

[00:31:55] always several people or is he sometimes only one person and like well he he's one of his personalities what if one of the Clarks isn't gay like I don't yeah that'd be that'd be hard

[00:32:09] I don't know what's going on there maybe we'll learn more in the future he and Cash couple yeah I mean it will be an awkward day at work uh when they are if they do end up being a

[00:32:27] couple um but you know oddly enough Kerry did end up setting him up kind of yeah whoops but uh yeah that was I thought that was a really good storyline and

[00:32:41] it was nice not to despise or not to not despise cash yeah yeah to not despise cash um and and I feel like it was he was written closer to season one this episode than he was the last couple

[00:32:56] which which is which is a nice nice change um all right so what else you got uh the compiled lies of Jennifer Regan the the wall of cassettes all right that was hilarious and how it spun

[00:33:11] around and everything and the fact that it's read by Derek Jacobi but I am gonna have one complaint about this which was it was another freaking penis joke oh my god it's such low-hanging fruit to just constantly make penis jokes I feel like

[00:33:32] it's the 80s like this is just so dated and hack it's driving me crazy but I did enjoy Derek Jacobi's voice um he does a lot of audiobooks he's very good so I'm not familiar with Derek

[00:33:48] Jacobi um and uh I can appreciate that you feel that way but I feel like this is also you say low-hanging fruit but also something that many many people not just women would be able to

[00:34:08] identify with oh of course these are the lies that people are going to tell and of course it's at 123 in the morning 124 125 126 and it's like I can I understand what you're saying

[00:34:23] but I laughed at it I enjoyed it it was uh I would have liked to have heard more yeah I just feel like that's such rich ground right like things that Jen has lied about and

[00:34:37] right they could have gotten a little more creative there but it was just like I don't know not just a penis joke but like a penis joke like we've all heard before like

[00:34:51] right that it's been well covered um he is a British actor he is uh he was born in 1938 he's been a British actor for quite a long time uh very well respected I think he's knighted

[00:35:09] um you might have seen him in Sandman recently or Good Omens um let's see what are some of his really well-known things I need to finish watching both Sandman and Good Omens

[00:35:27] yeah me too I'm behind on um Good Omens I'm caught up on Sandman Cinderella uh the Borgias I didn't watch that um he's I know he does a lot of theater acting um he's been on Doctor Who

[00:35:50] Gosford Park yeah I'll go check him out yeah anyway he's a you know whatever he's probably he's one of those people that when you see a picture you'll be like oh

[00:36:02] that guy oh him right yeah uh okay anyway um I enjoyed hearing his voice he does have a beautiful voice and I enjoyed the cassette wall I I don't know if younger people than me

[00:36:18] remember that you used to go to record stores and there would be a wall like that and you could listen to music before you bought it so that you know you could see if you wanted

[00:36:30] to buy the tape or not and it you know the headphones would be wired to the wall and the whole thing um it's funny that a 25 year old would have that in her brain space but it um

[00:36:41] it worked for me I thought it was really funny I think that Jen is an old soul um as um as indicated by the almost like ratten patterns of her library like she's not in a

[00:36:59] an upscale modern whatever or even just nice in there like a pub or something yeah it's literally just an old dusty old bookstore yeah you know you're right it is closer to a bookstore

[00:37:14] because like all the handwritten notes I was literally in the bookstore today and there were a bunch of handwritten sections yeah it reminds me of uh specifically there's this bookstore in Los Angeles called the last bookstore that is sort of intentionally quirky and has a lot of

[00:37:32] little like winding shelves and overcrowded areas and and uh it's got a real homey feeling to it and uh there are there's a book tunnel that you can walk through and stuff it's it's real cool

[00:37:47] and I was like did they film this in the last bookstore or they just copied it um I've only been there once recently with another zed head and but it's very cool um all right so we've talked

[00:38:02] about Jen and therapy we've talked about cash and Clark uh we've talked about Jen and her dad we talked a bit about Jen and her mom um I just want to I have a couple of notes uh I mean Carrie's

[00:38:19] only real part to this was being witness to cash's uh to cash sabotaging her new possible relationship and like Carrie had to be like are you sure this is a good idea

[00:38:36] when she's talking about when Jen wanted to bring in her dad yeah we didn't get to see that conversation after care after Jen says like I need my whole family and then we don't see it

[00:38:46] so we don't know if if Carrie said but your mom said she never wanted to talk to him or if Carrie said like sure no problem you know like we just we don't we don't really know and we

[00:38:59] don't know if Martin had said something to the effect of are you sure she wants to see me like because she hasn't talked to me in the number of years that have passed maybe he doesn't

[00:39:10] know how long it's been maybe he just maybe it's just his consciousness he must know that Jen has aged yeah right I mean she was a little kid now she's an adult right um yeah I again I'd

[00:39:24] like to know more about that but I don't know that we're necessarily going to get it uh in a in this lighthearted comedy yeah um I think it'd be awesome to turn this into

[00:39:34] a drama D and then like explore a little bit more and yeah maybe they'll do a gritty reboot in 10 years uh I um yeah Carrie was basically just like a plot device yeah this week her story didn't

[00:39:51] move forward at all um and Giselaard's story didn't move forward much but the pro-con list he was creating about Jen was hilarious so I've got all of them I mean I really enjoyed the fact

[00:40:05] that he that she was like oh he like defended me oh and he talked about how awesome I was it's just a list of all the things she's not yeah it was so good her mom just wanted

[00:40:20] her mom was charmed because he loves Jen right like he demonstrated a strong emotion for Jen and that was enough for the mother to accept him and that was that was like a true moment I

[00:40:32] was like yeah okay that was good so his pros were great can fit 15 grapes in her mouth not murderer hair never broke a bone kind to stray soft and warm snorts in a nice way

[00:40:52] okay buys my food doesn't step on snails cooks pesto pasta the cons were doesn't give to charity laughed at a weird looking child ate a donut out of the bin when she thought no one was looking only cooks pesto pasta isn't cool and upsets her mother

[00:41:17] it was like is she cool and he's like yeah no no yeah is she smart yeah not so much as he's like reading off the list she's not tall she doesn't have money yet there's uh

[00:41:36] there's a lot I like his prose list I like soft and warm like yeah because he's a cat yeah I'll be honest as somebody who likes to snuggle soft and warm is nice

[00:41:50] yeah I like soft and warm as well that's why I have a cat because he is reliably soft and warm can't always count on dudes but kitty cats that's fair yeah kitty cats will be there for you

[00:42:07] so I will say that it had to be hard for Ian being at this very emotionally raw dinner yeah we had the we had you know we have the kind of like the disclaimer of he just

[00:42:21] just watched Marley and me um you know dog's love is so pure but but like this like on especially on top of that now you're going to a you know but she's she's full of desperate

[00:42:35] and longing for a power for my family and then her mom is just like oh this is what it is okay now I get it and like once she like figured out the game kind of like where last week

[00:42:53] where uh Nora figured out the game and she's just like okay well now I'm gonna take my tactic and her tactic is full on aggression yeah and she said some really mean stuff

[00:43:07] I hate you I hated you first oh god like you raised me a waste of time I hate you I hated you first oh I mean like all of those things were just hard like hard to listen to hard

[00:43:22] to watch yeah you selfish wee bitch yeah um that is a relationship that has a lot of problems yeah yeah um and unfortunately I feel like Mary uh is not the type of person who

[00:43:44] is willing to go to therapy or to see the other side and you know and see that maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm wrong maybe we'll get to see maybe she'll go see the guy that the doctor

[00:43:58] named George yeah um with Jen I mean that would be it'd be interesting to see it'd be productive I mean well maybe we'll see uh let me see what else do I have um oh the digital spying

[00:44:15] oh wow was that a immoral just really really really over the line and she's like oh I only do it to celebrities yeah well and then the fact that that that she

[00:44:30] basically set the kid in the candy store right yeah and then was like well it's hooked up what you do with it is none of my business and you're just like oh man that's fucking

[00:44:41] enabling as shit yeah who would be able to resist looking I wouldn't I'd be like I'll just look for a second I'd be just like Harry yeah and what can it hurt and then you're glued to it

[00:44:53] um let me see so oh Cash's outfit what the fuck what the fuck like the fucking socks up over the pants yeah those high-waisted pants he dresses like a clown that was insane they

[00:45:11] I thought that they dressed jizz lord crazy but Cash's outfits are sometimes weirder like so many patterns and like you're right those socks pulled up over and maybe I'm just old and not hip

[00:45:26] is that like a cool way to dress I really don't think so I don't think trouble believing it is I don't think any what do the what do they say in She-Hulk uh drip drip oh yeah drip

[00:45:38] yeah that's not drip a drip broker yeah I don't think any drip broker has those socks those pants way too many patterns going on in one outfit that was insane yeah that was pretty

[00:45:51] bonkers I mean but like Clark looked fine like he looked normal two tones of clothing and it was it was good yeah like I said Clark is adorable yeah like adorable

[00:46:05] um all right you have any notes um not really okay um yeah that's all that's all I got oh I do have one quote I do have one quote um I'm being bullied by a fucking watch yeah time is making me it's making me it's bitch

[00:46:34] I was laughing so hard it does seem like a really horrible power when you can't control it like what a nightmare I don't know if you saw Loki but it was very similar to Loki um and

[00:46:49] I have not seen the second sorry in season two it was time slipping and it was very similar to this where he couldn't control it and you know and it was just like oh and it

[00:47:03] was actually this is actually very very similar because there were situations where he was recognizing it and then as you watched through and found out as you know as the season went

[00:47:13] on you're like oh this is where that was and this is where that was and and so like it makes me oh yeah this is why I like this because I've seen it before and I've seen it

[00:47:21] done well and this was also funny it's a funny concept all right well if that's all we have um I thank you guys so much for your patience uh I know that we I just got out of an episode

[00:47:35] today um and uh for you'll have to forgive us or you don't and that's fine too um my uh my oldest just graduated from high school and he was off to college in in the the fall

[00:47:50] and so I had to go visit him and I didn't have to wanted to go visit him and watch him get graduated uh and so you know it's life life happens and uh but we appreciate you guys

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[00:48:36] their favorite shows yeah uh speaking of favorite shows uh I know Penny you I think you just recorded uh on Shogun uh yeah like a one full full season recap discussion with I think it

[00:48:50] was Sam and Jonathan yeah we had a lot of fun even though that series is not silly it is very serious uh we had a very silly time talking about it we had a lot of laughs and

[00:49:04] we spent three hours talking about 10 episodes we easily could have talked for like another three to six hours about Shogun Shogun is so good and so layered and so beautiful and so

[00:49:18] well made I recommend everybody watch it and then go listen to our podcast and we had so much fun making it we really did yeah and I believe that uh I think did did Mark and Ben just cover

[00:49:36] Godzilla oh I don't know but they are covering dead boy detectives oh dead boy detectives that's the one I was thinking of yeah dead boy detectives which I've heard excellent things

[00:49:47] about yeah I've been wanting to start that uh I also a couple weeks ago we put out um a review of the movie Eternals that came out in 2021 nobody had covered it back then

[00:50:00] on podcastica so Karen, Rinaldi and I did that and we we love the movie and we know that it's sort of a divisive movie among Marvel fans and maybe if you listen to what we had to say it might make you like it as much as we did

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[00:50:54] better on schedule yep so next time on this show we'll be covering season two episode six Jen V. Nora The Ultimate Showdown I made the mistake of watching the cold open to that

[00:51:07] oh I am so excited to watch it I'm so excited I'm so looking forward to it awesome awesome but as a question for you to consider okay do you take do you take milk um no just tea but maybe you should try some milk maybe I like milk

[00:51:31] but I wasn't socialized to think it was an option I mean you could try a dash right it's not all just black or all milk right tea exists on a spectrum tea exists on a spectrum