15. Jen v. Nora: Ultimate Showdown (S2E6)

[00:00:00] Hey everybody, welcome to our podcast. I'm Greg. And I'm Penny. And this is The Extraordinary Cast, a podcast dedicated to the Hulu and Disney Plus series Extraordinary created by Emma Moran. In this episode we're covering season 2 episode 6, Jen v. Nora, The Ultimate Showdown written

[00:00:37] by Emma Moran and directed by Jennifer Sheridan. Okay, so like I thought you know I was I was much happier with this episode than we have been in recent days. As far as recap goes the Hulu version, Jen and Nora, excuse me, Jen

[00:00:57] and Nora's rivalry anticipates. Jizz faces a tough choice. Carrie jumps through hoops. Thank you very much Hulu for that in depth explanation. Yeah, at least there's no spoilers in it. I mean, it's true. That's very true. Full version. In an attempt to convince Jizz that

[00:01:17] she's not a chaos goblin, Jen makes every effort to be a polite, well adjusted young lady for Alfie's beige birthday party. Nora sabotages Jen's efforts and the conflict comes to a head when Nora forces Jizz to choose between her and Alfie and Jen.

[00:01:34] When he chooses Alfie, not necessarily Nora, a devastated Jen seeks comfort with George, her brain therapist. When Jizz discovers that Alfie isn't his son and Nora has a public meltdown, he gleefully returns to Jen. Meanwhile, in an effort to prove her support for Cash's

[00:01:52] new gay relationship, Carrie plans a surprise celebration pushing Cash into coming out to his friends which, fortunately, goes well. Cash returns the favor by forcing Carrie to express her own wants and needs. All right, how'd you like this one?

[00:02:08] I think I actually said now we're talking about halfway through the episode because I felt like it was finally starting to live up to season one. I liked I liked Meet the Parent. I thought Meet the Parent last week was was pretty

[00:02:24] good, but this was even better. And I'm now excited for episodes seven and eight. So all around good. How about you? I feel you. My giant note is finally a return to form.

[00:02:44] Yes, no, I very much enjoyed this one. It I mean, besides the fact that it it kind of hit all of the all of the things that I've been talking about wanting. Like the Jen and Nora issues the the relationships between people and like it hit

[00:03:07] all of us and Nora is such a great bad guy. And it's always great to see villains be brought low, especially by their own machinations. And so like, yes, like this I thought this was this was great.

[00:03:23] It was a great the fact that it didn't happen in the final episode of the season is nice and we've got a couple more. And so it's like, OK, well now we're done with that storyline.

[00:03:35] And so we can move on and look for the recovery and recovery we shall need because of some actions towards the end of the episode. Somebody made some really bad decisions. I mean, you know what what Jin had mentioned was.

[00:03:53] Oh, I don't mean Jen. I mean, fucking George. Well, I would say both of them. He's a scuzz bucket. Sorry. OK. OK. All right. Fair enough. Like. But before we get into that, we'll go ahead and take a quick break. And then we'll come back.

[00:04:10] We'll get into our plot lines and we'll do what we got to do. All right. Well, we are back and we'll go ahead and get into our plot points. Penny, you want to start us off? Sure. So Jen decides after after last week when Nora was convincing

[00:04:29] Giz Lord that Jen was kind of chaotic, a little bit of a mess and just making that list of pros and cons. Jen is trying to present herself in a very particular way and not rise to the bait when Nora is clearly baiting her.

[00:04:45] I thought the macaron scene was pretty cute because they are absolutely impossible to make. And I've never really I'm just not a precise person. And I I've never been able to make something like that. And when she was like, oh, you're gay.

[00:05:03] Do you know how to make macarons? And Clark is like, I do actually. I was like that went past an offensive stereotype and and like went around the corner and back and doubled up back on itself and was funny again.

[00:05:15] Like there was something about it that was charming. And I I feel like that's generational. Like I feel like if I said that to somebody my age, they'd be like. Like what's wrong with you? But like Gen Z and they're all so fluid

[00:05:34] with gender identity and sexual identity that they can make those kind of jokes with each other. I don't know. I liked it a lot. I would agree. Yeah. Nora was clearly showing the signs of stress,

[00:05:48] playing fast and loose with her power and the mute function as it were. When I was a baby lawyer, there was a story that the older associates would tell the junior lawyers about conference calls and how you had to be really careful with the mute button.

[00:06:08] So the sort of general etiquette on a conference call, if you're on a speakerphone, especially is to mute yourself when the other side is talking and you're on mute. And that also gives you an opportunity to talk amongst yourselves if you're in a conference room.

[00:06:22] And I've been in so many situations where the mute button is on off, on off so people can make their comments. And there's this story that the senior associates would tell of a time when somebody got that wrong and it was not muted

[00:06:38] and they said like secret client information. And so it was like this scary story that they told junior associates to like be careful about the mute button. And so my entire legal career, I was always like always like keeping my eye on the little red light

[00:06:53] that says that the mute button is on. I was like super careful about it. I don't know if it's a true story or some kind of law department or law firm urban legend, but that's all I could think about with Nora.

[00:07:05] And when it started to go wrong, I was like, that is happening because like at the party two episodes ago when she was sometimes telling the whole room something, sometimes just gents, you know, like playing with that back and forth.

[00:07:19] I was like, how does she keep it all straight in her head? Like that seems like it would be so confusing. And and we see what happened is like eventually it broke down and she was doing the quiet part out loud and

[00:07:31] with hilarious results and I couldn't be happier that she embarrassed herself. Like the meltdown ended up being phenomenal. I haven't eaten sugar in 15 years. Fuck, that's good. And the the the the the European idiom of using the see you next Tuesday word was

[00:08:03] even if it was bleeps, it was clear. That's what she was saying. It's clear. I mean, you could read her lips very easily. It took me a minute to realize why it was bleeped. I was like, why are they bleeping? They've never bleeped before.

[00:08:16] And then I real I remembered that that's Chris's power. Right. That. Yeah, absolutely. I was like, that's really, really funny. But like, I mean, yeah, no, I thought the meltdown was phenomenal. And and I thought that the actress did a phenomenal job

[00:08:33] in portraying that like her centering her chi and visualizing the downfall of her enemy and the cold open. And like, hey, I'm doing yoga and I'm just picturing how horribly this is going going to go for Jim. Having said that,

[00:08:53] Nora, we've seen is very practiced at the end. And as we talked about at the book meeting or at the book launch, Jen had started to let it lie and then put that she like pointed it out.

[00:09:10] Like, oh, hey, aren't you upset that I know about all your sticky books? I mean, and here, Nora does the exact same thing. It's almost like a get out of jail free card for Jen. It's a make a scene yell at me.

[00:09:27] Oh, no, I can't. Now that you say that out loud, I recognize I can't do that. But here, I mean, my stop titting my macarons was one of my favorite lines of the episode.

[00:09:42] But like, I just thought it was very out of character for Nora to be like to to to give Jen that ammo. I just I'm not going to say sloppy writing. I just it's kind of like treating the audience, making the audience be too dumb

[00:09:56] for at least not treating us like we are smart enough to figure it out. Like, we know that's what's happening. You don't need to say it. But again, I just I just felt like it was slightly out of character. But they're not like Jen keeps her cool.

[00:10:12] I'm penetrable. No, that's a rub. I don't know what things. Oh, I'm right. So mean. Yeah. I don't really understand why they hadn't had sex yet. Just based on Jen's general approach to men and sex.

[00:10:27] I I found it surprising that she and just Lord had not had sex yet. I was trying to figure out what the answer to Kerry's question of why are you sleeping back in the bath again? Didn't quite I would have loved to have gotten that answer.

[00:10:41] Yeah, I I mean, because I assumed at that point that Giz had pulled back from Jen in order because he was like confused and dealing with all this new information. And so he was like, I'm not ready for us to have sex.

[00:10:55] I'll just go sleep in the tub. But then when later when Jen was like, we're going to have sex, he was like, I'm on a roll. So I was like, oh, then he wanted to have sex all along. So why weren't they having sex?

[00:11:06] Yeah, it doesn't make sense. But it's I mean, and Jen may also be dealing you know, dealing with a bunch of a bunch of things between her power and her family. And then obviously Nora and Giz and and all that.

[00:11:20] I did appreciate the fact that we got the origin story of Giz turning into a cat. You got cooked so hard, you turned into a cat. Like I was like, well, all right, it's funny.

[00:11:32] I had an issue with the other thing saying it out loud so that, you know, but this like, oh, you know what? You said it was quick. It was bam, bam. Thank you very thank you, ma'am. And and we're done. And we OK. Now we know the story.

[00:11:46] We get it. And all right. Cool. And then can we piece together the timeline though? So I thought that. Rob had been missing for four years. Yep. Alfie is turning seven. So then Nora and Chris had been having an affair for years before they got caught.

[00:12:12] OK, so we're all on the same page. Yes. Yeah, it wasn't like, oh, I they started the affair and he realized that it was definitely this has been going on for a long time. And so yes, I guess we are on the same page.

[00:12:31] So when disappeared and had been gone for a significant amount of time, why didn't Chris and Nora just get together? My guess would be Nora. Well, yeah, but like, why? Because make that part of her aesthetic. I mean, I guess not. I mean, it's also like that.

[00:12:56] Oh, Chris isn't a ginger. I mean, she had to have known that, right? Like, yeah. I mean, it's not like you're fucking someone for a number of years and you're like, by the way, I know, you don't like penis jokes, but that was a giant dick.

[00:13:13] Like, that was a huge dick. Well, it was also a huge penis joke. It's not that I don't like penis jokes. I just think that often they are lazy. This one was funny. I mean, and like all of the mothers

[00:13:29] staring at all the other women staring at it and like, whoa. Like maybe you got a different view. Yeah, maybe you got a different like version of that and what they were thinking in your head. But I mean, I got I got a very much a whoa.

[00:13:45] That's impressive. Oh, yeah. I don't know if that's what from at least one of them. From at least maybe one of them. Yeah, but I. I yeah, it's not all penis jokes. It's when the when it's when the entire joke is penis.

[00:14:04] Like when that's the punchline, it's just I think it's lame. But like using a penis in a joke. And when it's funny or moves the story forward, like that's great. But like the Halloween episode, it was just like, ha, ha, it's an inflatable penis, ha, ha.

[00:14:21] Like that was the whole joke and it just right. Well, so like forgetting Sarah Marshall, right? So when Jason Siegel drops his towel and it's full frontal and it's not like sexy full frontal. It's not hilarious appealing. I laugh so hard at that.

[00:14:41] And this like I watched that years after starting to be on a submarine. And you know, I've seen many penises in my time. And you don't shy away from it. You just go, OK, well, there's a penis. All right, whatever. No, the context matters. Yeah, it absolutely does.

[00:14:58] I completely agree. And I thought this was hysterical. And like I said, I feel like the the reactions from some of the mums were made it made it even funnier. But yeah, Nora, I mean, I it took me a while.

[00:15:17] When like when she said shut the fuck up, Chris. I and then like I went back in a way when I watched it again. I heard her like saying all of the things she was trying to say out loud in her head.

[00:15:30] Yeah, I was like, oh, OK, like this is this is funny because I mean, just the same way that a few episodes ago, we first found out about her power where she was talking to Gislord and we're like, what the fuck is happening? Like, yeah. Am I?

[00:15:44] Am I? That just reminds me of the joke. Am I in an LLBGTQ plus stroke? Yeah, I thought that was a great one. But yeah, the fact that, hey, Alfie is not is not just his kid. That's great.

[00:16:01] You know, so I feel like this episode really wrapped up this storyline and gave Nora her just desserts in a nice big boat. Yeah. And hey, we are we are good to go. We are all done. I I agree. The one thing is.

[00:16:19] I can't get over how fucked up she is as a parent to this poor kid. Like, hmm. I know Gis is not her his father. It's it's Chris's problem to solve. But I still have a little bit of affection for this kid,

[00:16:37] even though he's like, I like money. And I'm like, oh my God, she made him die his hair. She she's lied to him for years about who his father is. Like it's she's clearly a horrible person, manipulative, cold, calculating, unfeeling. She's admitted she doesn't like love the kid.

[00:17:01] And I I can't let go of it. I'm like that poor kid. We should rescue the kid. Is there going to be a story where we rescue the kid? Like, I can't get past it yet.

[00:17:10] I'm hoping that, you know, despite how poor of a father he may be, which I mean, like you absolutely I mean, I absolutely picked up on it from the very beginning, right? As soon as you saw Chris, he's like, oh, yeah,

[00:17:22] a bike and some saving bonds for when he goes to university. I was like, OK, like he at least he thinks he's his kid because he's treating him this way. I felt like it was nice that didn't flag to me at all.

[00:17:37] Because I was like, if my best friend disappeared and left a kid behind, I would probably start doting on that kid. I agree. Like I would I would do the same thing except that taking the position of father to the child,

[00:17:58] like unless you are getting something like unless you feel some sort of obligation to the child and the mother, like I feel like there's maybe like this gave me a very significant Shane Laurie vibe from walking dead. Like yeah, like the father is there and he's treating the

[00:18:17] you know, treating the child like he's his own because it depends on the on the relationship, I guess, because like there are definitely people in my life whose kids I would consider myself an auntie of even though I'm not

[00:18:31] actually related and and if they're one of their parents disappeared, I would want to try to, you know, give them more attention. And I don't I don't know that their spouse beyond being like friendly with them. I guess it's just I guess it's very situational. Right.

[00:18:56] Yeah, it's yeah. Again, just my opinion, like I absolutely picked up on the to me it was very much a hey, this is a father that hasn't been able to be a father for a while. Yeah. Whereas just got him crinkly paper hair ties caps of bottles.

[00:19:13] Yeah, hours of hours of fun. And then oh, what is it you like? Money. All right. Great. What do you like to play with money? Very well. Yeah. No, I hear you. I feel bad for this kid. But hopefully Chris takes him on and

[00:19:34] does what he needs to and drops Nora because as much as I as much as I wasn't a huge fan of Chris, like I feel like he deserves better than Nora. Yeah. But I mean, anybody deserves better than Nora. But she is a piece of work. Yeah.

[00:19:55] Oh, they're Bayes house. Bayes, everything, even her kid at his birthday party was wearing like a beige puffy vest. Oh, Nora, I love beige. You hate beige. Shut up. Or shush. All right. So I think that any notes on Gen and Nora and Chris. No. OK.

[00:20:18] All right. So let's move on to cash and Clark. Yeah. First off, I felt that cash and Clark in the beginning of this episode were super cute, like when they were like tickling each other and yeah, cuddling and singing cute. Like I thought they were super cute.

[00:20:36] I will say I was immediately I thought, why aren't they hanging out at Clark's where he lives alone rather than at Kerry's that she pays for and where she's going to have to like see them like he cash should have known that that would be uncomfortable for her.

[00:20:54] So while I have talked about them writing cash as a bigger dummy than they have in the past, I think. I think at this point, I think this actually does make sense for cash, for cash's character. But Kerry's telling me to get out there and do my thing.

[00:21:12] Kerry's telling me all of these things. He doesn't recognize any of that stuff that Kerry says until she physically says it. Yeah, but the I mean, I doubt she was surprised that Clark was spending the night. So she hadn't said to cash at that point.

[00:21:32] I don't have a problem with it as far as we know. You know, like I don't know, I just think that's really insensitive of any. Oh, it absolutely is. Yeah. Yeah. No, 100 percent. Absolutely. But maybe I'll chalk it up to the the wild and crazy

[00:21:49] thing, way you feel during brand new love. I mean, that probably makes sense. But yeah, no, I think that I mean, given that the cash also went to take Kerry out for her big date as a YouTube

[00:22:06] hole that they fell into like this, I feel like it's on brand for him to not be sensitive to what Kerry desires or understands or. Yeah, that's fair. He is generally clueless. Yeah. So yeah, I thought the cash in and Clark were actually really, really good here.

[00:22:28] I have the same reaction you did regarding the oh, you're a gaze. Or maybe she said you gaze or something like that. I was just like. And then they just play it off. They just were like, yes, we are in fact the gaze here.

[00:22:45] And yes, I do know how to make megros. It reminded me of something that I've watched recently. I can't remember what it is, but it was like, oh, isn't that a little bit? That's a little bit discriminant or this discriminational discriminatory. Yes, thank you. That's a little discriminatory.

[00:23:07] Well, can you do that? Well, yeah, I can. OK, well, there's a reason there's a stereotype. Right? Yeah. There's a reason there's a stereotype because sometimes people do know how to do the things that the stereotypes indicate. But yeah, I thought that that was good. And then although

[00:23:30] this is one of those situations where like Kerry absolutely as sensitive as she is to other people's feelings or whatever, like I feel like that was slightly out of character for her to have a coming out party when you didn't know if it maybe it was actually internal.

[00:23:52] And it was more like, well, I'm being forced to witness all this, so I'm going to make sure that everybody is aware of it. I did think that the line by Megan, though. Well, he did just ask them all to start a musical that he's writing.

[00:24:12] So I don't know how long your cat's going to stay in his fruity little bag. I was like, I don't know how much longer you expect the gay cat to stay in its bag. There you go.

[00:24:21] So I was like, that's actually as soon as he said musical, I was like, I mean, that makes sense because we know that Cash was writing a musical because he was looking for inspiration or whatever. I apologize for the very loud music that is outside my house.

[00:24:36] I can't hear it. OK, well, that's great. But maybe I'll just cut all this stuff out. Megan had another fantastic line when she suggested Gregor should be the love interest and she said, are we forgetting about the frankly electric sexual tension between these two?

[00:24:53] Come on, it's classic enemies to lovers. And Gregor's like, yes, I could play the love interest. I was like, is he gay or is he just like wants to have a starring role? Well, the fact that I cannot stand Gregor,

[00:25:09] but going back to the back to what you're just saying, he did say. I'm just here to make fun of whatever idea you have. And then he said, oh, I love musicals. So I'm in. I was like, OK, like maybe they're playing into the gay stereotype of

[00:25:26] the people who are artsy people can be gay or are most likely gay or whatever the case is. But I mean, but what's the what's the 3D printer guy's name? Randall. Yeah, Randall like he was just as just as irritating.

[00:25:44] I don't know if it's the look on his face, just a look on his dumb face or I don't know what it is. And the human pinata thing that was vile. That was horrible. Like that was really, really bad. I did enjoy the throwaway line.

[00:25:58] Randall printed 3D printed a key. Yeah, let himself in the house. How like I don't see how you'd be able to print a key that you can't necessarily visualize, but OK, whatever. And like he was shooting out candy. Are the kids going to eat his butt candy? Apparently.

[00:26:19] And it was gray. Everything about that was disgusting. That was again, it's more fun to go back and talk about how bad it was. Like, oh my God. He's like in the process. Yeah, in the process I was like, this is bad. Like this is just bad.

[00:26:39] But yeah, so so I did appreciate the fact that oh no. OK, Clark and I are a couple now. It's straight Clark, which is funny because you mentioned that. Yeah, it was so funny. What if one of them is maybe one in a million of us is?

[00:26:57] It was so funny because I watched the episode right after we recorded and I was like straight Clark, we were just hey, I brought that up. And then to have it subverted again after that was really I was like kind of happy and kind of disappointed.

[00:27:13] I was like, oh, but that would have been an interesting storyline to pursue. And then I was like, oh, there's only two more episodes. So yeah, I mean, the fact that he was like, oh no. Oh, I just want to go out to a nice restaurant.

[00:27:26] You only use me for chores or a job or a time in mom. I mean, he's got a point. Like that's not a great life for Clark number two. It very much reminded me of the Severance show where they have their workies.

[00:27:40] Yeah, they're in ease and out ease. Yeah, I need to go back and finish using one of that. One needed. But yeah, so they very much like, oh, that's actually a really good point. But yeah, so I thought that their relationship was nice and cute.

[00:27:59] And then I did enjoy the interaction with I really don't like Randall. I really don't like Gregor. Gregor just like he actor oozes at least gross funny. Randall is. Gross. Yeah, like basically Gregor. Sorry, Randall is the stereotypical man's

[00:28:25] what does man who desires to be a man's man? Right. It's the it's the alpha male view point. Oh, like right. I don't particularly care for it, but he's like the except he's not an alpha. Technics. He's not a leader. He's not like he's not anything.

[00:28:42] Yeah, that. Oh, you know what? I'll never forgive the female body inspector t-shirt apparently. And and that he helped cash like lie to carry and manipulate her at that party. I just I dislike Randall, but I don't. I actually find Gregor entertaining.

[00:29:07] Like I could have Randall taken off the show and I'd be happy with that. But Gregor adds something really fun, like his. He adds a yeah, he adds a nemesis factor to cash. Yeah. And the fact that it hasn't turned into

[00:29:24] anything beyond just mocking, it hasn't turned into a fight. It hasn't turned into anything except for, well, I know where the clitoris is. Yeah, they're both ridiculous people. And the fact that they bother to compete with each other is like,

[00:29:40] do you not understand that like being better than each other is still a really low bar? You guys say it's the lowest bar you can have. If you were competing higher. Yeah, as you said, I can appreciate some of the lines that Gregor had and Randall

[00:30:03] just kind of creeps me out sometimes. But I love. I want Magnet Girl in every episode. And so good because they they give her the choicest lines, the choicest like every scene that she's in, even her facial expressions when Carrie is talking about like her and

[00:30:25] Adé are phenomenal in this. And I think Adé had like three lines. The fact that Carrie like used the frying pan. I was like, is she going to hit her in that? Oh, no, she's using as a leash. Yeah. It's a magnet leash.

[00:30:38] I thought it was really funny. But yeah, I enjoyed that scene and the fact that everybody was like, oh, this is going to be the big thing that the gay presentation was very. I thought it was very, very funny cleanup was great when they were like,

[00:30:54] triage, what's the most? What's the gayest thing here? And then like I'm on team gay and then Carrie Tuxer shirt in a little bit or pulls her pants. I don't know why she didn't just say she was gay and then it would have been,

[00:31:09] you know what I mean? Like that would have been the fastest way to cover that up and be like, it's for me. That's true. Yeah. It turns out that I'm gay. Weird. Yeah. But no, I like I did enjoy that that storyline.

[00:31:21] And I will say and this kind of ties into a different one. I absolutely love the line, the recognition from Cash at the end of the episode. He sees Jen's face and he recognizes the face, the facial expression. What did you do? Yeah.

[00:31:42] He's like, I've had that look on my face too many times. Someone has had to ask me, what did I do? Yeah. Oh, God, Jen. Um, I totally understand how that happened and why it happened. Like, you know, the therapist guy really sees her, right?

[00:32:03] Like, she has, she's so vulnerable with him and he's been so supportive. And she has, you know, her father's dead and here's this older man who's being understanding and supportive. He is a creep.

[00:32:18] He's like, oh, you're the only one of my clients I'd want to spend time with outside of work. Oh, you're making great progress. Look at your one shelf that's meat and tidy. Well, there was a third thing he did that I was like, that is just

[00:32:34] unethical, like straight up unethical. Well, I mean, the fact that he shared about another client. Yeah. Oh, and then he likes her better because he's the other one's boring, which is what every chaos demon wants to hear. Right? It's like, you're better than people whose lives are together

[00:32:55] and organized because you're fun and interesting and spontaneous. It was just one of it was so unethical and gross of him to do it. And it take advantage of her in this moment of vulnerability. I do have a logistical question. Did they have sex mentally or physically?

[00:33:20] Like, did they have sex in her mind? I don't know that they had sex. They may have. She sure had. I just had sex face. OK, well, I am not as familiar with the facial expressions of guilty people. But I mean, maybe maybe they did.

[00:33:41] But I would say just in her mind, which is almost worse. I mean, he was a participant because his power means it's really him in her mind. So either way, she was, you know, it's like Ross and Rachel, right?

[00:33:56] Like she thought just left her on a break and they're on a break. And she sure moved on real fast. But no, very specifically, we've talked about this. We've talked about the differences between guys and girls, right? She saw solace. Yeah.

[00:34:14] And instead of like Carrie going through a reasonably, reasonably healthy version of going through a breakup, Jen went through the unhealthy version which is to seek solace and replace. How can I feel away other than how I feel right now being rejected?

[00:34:33] And, you know, and I get it, but I can I completely agree with you. This is on George. Yeah, well, she George was so vulnerable and he just swooped right in there and took advantage of it. I mean, what's worse is that he let her come to him.

[00:34:49] Yeah. She initiated the kiss and then he continued. But he lured her in with all his like, no, absolutely. Narcissistic, unethical, unethical, unethical. If you're so mad at him. Listeners, I'm so mad. I just spilled iced tea all over myself. Not funny. Sorry about that.

[00:35:14] I didn't mean to laugh. The good thing is it's mostly water. It'll dry. Um, OK. Is that I saying? Oh, George. Um, I looked up the actors IMDb page and of course I have since forgotten his name, but he works a lot.

[00:35:34] He had a really long IMDb page. Was the actor you played? Yeah, I mean, I think he's doing a really good job of playing this kind of like suave scumbag. But, you know, I've encountered that type in my life before.

[00:35:54] Like I doubt she's the first client he's crossed the line with. Oh, yeah, I agree. I mean, well, I say I agree just based on the fact that he has been doing this for however long.

[00:36:15] Like I can't imagine that this is the first time he's ever been tempted. Yeah, and he had like a pattern to it. You know, he's like, can you imagine a good scotch? Like as Greg takes a swig of brown liquid, which I think is probably

[00:36:32] it's bourbon close enough. It's bourbon. Yeah, I had I had a little bit of just a smidge, maybe a little more in the smidge left in a bottle. So I was like, I'll just have this one rather than having poured several.

[00:36:45] But yeah, no, I appreciate the fact that man, this is actually really cool that you could be able to do that. But yeah, this but would it have the same effect on you? Is it just for the taste? Not none of it actually.

[00:36:58] I guess he could actually he's in her mind so he could have whatever feeling it is. Oh, that makes it even creepier. Yeah. Yeah. It's like that's closer to like mind control. Everything about it is creepy. Oh, yeah. Um, yeah. OK, that was that was a lot. Yeah.

[00:37:22] And what's funny is I feel like we've actually covered most of the stuff. Yeah. Like we've talked about straight Clark or possibly straight Clark. Do you have any? OK, you know what? I've got a couple of notes that I do want to cover. Right. Cover that.

[00:37:43] Yeah, I've got my in my notes. I've got in quotes the gaze to those funny. Oh, Carrie's. Oh, I've channeled gay people all the time was very much. I've totally got black friends. Yeah. I was just like, oh boy, this is not good.

[00:38:01] I don't think that was a subtle parallel. But it the look on her face as she realized what she had said was hilarious because it's not like channeling dead people is something that lots of people do and talk about in that way.

[00:38:15] It's it's utterly unique to her, but she had to process that it was a metaphor for you know, or a parallel to some of my best friends are black. Um, yeah. She said I was like and I'm reading subtitles. I was like, oh, that doesn't play.

[00:38:34] And then she's like, oh, I can't believe I said that. Yeah. And then she's like, I love men and I look boys and their boys. Like she tries so hard to back battle and their boys in turn. Yeah, it was it was she can't.

[00:38:49] I think we should all step back and assess ourselves and think about how we can be more respectful. Yeah, basically be more respectful. I was like, OK, and then it just was like, all right, oh, gross. What is it because they're both boys?

[00:39:05] Oh, I know what we haven't talked about. All right, my favorite moment in the whole episode is when Giz and Jen arrive at the party and he's like, I have a plan, you know, fire. And Jen's like, no, no, no, no, we're not doing that.

[00:39:23] And he he tries to wink at her and it's like he doesn't really. He's trying to know what he's doing. It was such great physical comedy from Luke Rolison. And I missed it on first watch. I had to I had to see it on the second one.

[00:39:38] Oh, God, that's so funny because I was focused on the whole. Oh my god. How is the petrol in the box? Is it just loose in there or is there a container? I imagine it's a gas can. Yeah, I mean, would be my guess.

[00:39:51] But that I mean, I thought that the I didn't catch it till second watch either. At least I didn't like consciously catch it until second watch. But yeah, him trying to wink, especially with like the other eye. Like, I know some people can only wink with one eye.

[00:40:04] And like, I happen to be able to wink with both eyes like, see? Eh, eh, eh, eh. Me too. But so my point being is that I've watched people try to wink and they can't. They either blink or they can only wink one eye.

[00:40:20] And watching that was so funny. I completely agree with you. That was a great bit that I would say that 80 percent of people are going to miss, especially because they only watch it one time. And they're thinking about setting the house on fire. No. And the repetitive, right?

[00:40:36] The repetitive, you know, fire. No, we're not doing that. We're not doing that. No, no, no, no, hold on, hold on. I've got a plan. No. OK, what's your plan? We take the petrol and we set the house on fire. It was it was a classic.

[00:40:51] It was a classic double down. Like there and I thought it was phenomenal. I thought it was great. And then when she hands the box to Nora, she's like it's petrol. I kind of wanted to after credit or mid credit scene to be Nora,

[00:41:10] like opening the box and being like it really is petrol. Like what the fuck? So I'll be honest, I don't remember laughing this hard about an episode since season two because this is this was this episode was so much better than the rest of the season so far.

[00:41:27] Clark and Cash in bed together and nonsense, nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. Like, I mean, that's kind of like on the nose, right? But it's intentionally on the nose. So he's kind of like what you're talking about. It's like, oh, it goes past it, circles back around and becomes funny.

[00:41:44] Yeah. And but then Clark's like when I've dated someone like you and I don't know that they're ready to and he jazz hands it, make their debut. I was just like that is a phenomenal line. I'm rewatching Schitt's Creek and there's a similar situation in that show.

[00:42:05] And yeah, it goes again, it goes poorly. But it was I thought that this is like and then the fact that like everybody was like, oh, yeah, no, we're totally cool of it. And they made it just like Schitt's Creek. They made it into a nothing.

[00:42:18] Right. They made it into a it has nothing to do with anything. As you mentioned, like maybe it's just maybe it's a generational thing. But but like someone's sexuality is no longer a thing for most people. Not not no other thing.

[00:42:31] You know, well, maybe not most people, but it is changing that more for more and more people, it's just a non-nish to unless it's involving someone that you're in a relationship with or trying to be in a relationship with most people don't care about other people's

[00:42:46] sexuality, like it doesn't affect me. Doesn't have anything to do with me. Be with whoever you want. Like I don't care. Yeah, absolutely. And I love that about nowadays. We have a whole bunch of other things to hate each other about. But

[00:43:01] like but that is something that it's it's become so much of a non-issue outside of certain specific groups. I thought that the the Madeleine comment with the organic this this over again, but oh, the store bought ones have sulfites. I was like, oh, come on, Karen.

[00:43:24] Like and no offense to Karen's out there. I'm sorry, but Nora deserves friends like that. And I think you're right. That woman has had Nora do that to her. I could totally see. So she's like, oh, the store bought ones have sulfites.

[00:43:39] Like it's my chance to dig one on Nora. Like I think Nora had that coming. And then the the the line, no one wants your almond shit cakes. Oh, they're amazing. Oh, how about that? Oh, she knows how to do something. Don't get me wrong.

[00:43:59] I got the gaze to do it for me. Yeah. Hey, you know what? Skills through alliance count just as much as skills you have. You can absolutely tell. Take credit for that. I did want to take I did want to comment on the very poor teleporter. Oh, yeah.

[00:44:22] Like it like that's not someone. You don't want a magician that's actually going to accidentally saw someone in half showing up your kid's birthday. Yeah. Can you imagine? Oh my god, how bloody and disgusting that would have been.

[00:44:34] That's the kind of thing that would happen on like the boys. Yes, very much so. But that kid being like disappeared to some like dark industrial horrible. That's scary. I was terrifying and and that other kid, who is the other kid? Yeah, but no idea.

[00:44:51] That's not my son. Well, how about we figure out who's son it is and get it back to them and then you can go on a hunt for your fucking kid. And why are you still at the house later on when your kid is out there somewhere? Yeah.

[00:45:03] Why are you not interrogating the teleporter? Like where are the police? Yeah. Yeah, literally. Amber alert time. Yeah. Yeah. So then speaking of the teleporter, the teleportation. Like why would you not just teleport you back to your house? Like your apartment?

[00:45:23] I guess the cash and carrier were there. But I mean, you didn't need to teleport yourself to upstairs. Like if there was an empty bedroom, you just go find the fucking bedroom. I was unclear on. I don't think they were teleported upstairs.

[00:45:37] I think they were teleported to like a hotel room or something. I was wondering who's bed it was. Yeah, honest to God. I was like, who's better? Where are they? They don't hear any. Yeah, like it seems odd. But then maybe it was the dude, the magician's bed.

[00:45:52] Yeah. But Carrie, you are the least selfish person that I know. That's not a compliment. You know, say your truth. Yeah, that was cash as real hero moment. Yeah. And let me see. What the hell did I write here?

[00:46:13] Oh, this is one of my favorite lines from just Lord. The choice is yours. The choice is mine. Oh, my God, the choice is mine. I hate agency. Take it back. It was like I feel your brother. Yeah, I feel you.

[00:46:28] When it comes down to I have to make a difference. It's Sophie's choice. Well, in that case, like I like I don't really want to be the one to make that choice. Yeah, it's terrifying. I remember recently I said, you know, when I was a kid,

[00:46:42] I thought when you're an adult, you get to make all the decisions. And now I realize that when you're an adult, you have to make all the decisions. Make all the decisions. And then the last note that I have is the psycho cat calls

[00:46:59] of Nora and Jen trying to get Giz Lord to come to them. Yeah, none of those were sounds I would make to call a cat. And given we are a cat expert, given that Pixel has known you for how long? Ten years. So ten years.

[00:47:16] So you know your cat. Yeah, I've had cats my entire life. I've many cats, many, many cats in my life. And never made it. I've never gone at them. She's like, what? That's not it doesn't make them come. I'm very lucky Pixel mostly comes to his name.

[00:47:35] He's a very good boy. Nice. Yeah. Good job. Well, yeah, that's all my notes. Me too. You have any notes? No, I'm good. All right. Well, hey, that's our show. Everybody, thank you for listening. Really appreciate it. And if you'd like to get in touch with us,

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[00:48:44] I haven't started Dead Boy Detectives yet, but that looks really interesting. Yeah, that looks really interesting. And I mean, as you mentioned, Shogun, like I keep hearing what an amazing show that is. And then they just covered on the cast of us, they just covered 18 miles out.

[00:49:02] And 18 miles out was one of those, in my opinion, ones episodes you never forget. Yeah. And it's like on the rewatch. And so it was it was such a breaking point in that in the dynamic of those

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[00:50:13] So my yeah, I enjoyed that. That was hilarious. All right. But for the time being, we leave you to ponder this.