16. Be the Daddy You Want to See in the World (S2E7)

[00:00:05] Hey everybody, welcome to our podcast. I'm Greg. And I'm Penny. And this is The Extraordinary

[00:00:23] Cast, a podcast dedicated to the Hulu and Disney Plus series Extraordinary, created by Emma Moran.

[00:00:29] In this episode we're covering season 2 episode 7, Be the Daddy You Want to See in the World,

[00:00:35] written by Emma Moran and directed by Jennifer Sheridan.

[00:00:40] And, yeah, this is a, this is an, this was an interesting one. And by interesting, I mean,

[00:00:47] it was, you know, it ends or rather it starts almost immediately after last episode ends.

[00:00:55] Yeah, it seems like all that's passed is like maybe they, they slept and then they woke up in

[00:01:00] the morning or something. Yeah, it just, it was, it was a little odd, especially because we

[00:01:09] looked so deep into the last episode. Yeah. And, and like, we were like, oh, what about this? And

[00:01:17] what about that? And then it was just like, oh, you know, they, they made out, oh, well,

[00:01:22] it happened in their mind, you know, her mind, so it doesn't really count. But

[00:01:25] oh, it actually makes it worse. I'm like, what the fuck is happening? Like,

[00:01:28] this is like the exact same conversations we were having. Yeah. But it seemed to me

[00:01:35] like George, okay, you know what, let's, we'll get into this in a minute. But all right, so we'll do

[00:01:43] to celebrate short synopsis of the, of the episode from Hulu, Jen tackles her daddy issues.

[00:01:52] Jizz tries to get even. Carrie and Cash find something is missing. Thank you very much.

[00:01:59] A little bit, yeah, a little bit, a little bit more detailed. Jen gives Jizz a freebie to make up for

[00:02:07] her indiscretion with George, and he struggles to fulfill it. Carrie and Cash try moving on

[00:02:12] and find they miss each other too much, but his friends not lovers.

[00:02:16] Cash works on his musical with his vigilante bunnies. Oh my God, this was,

[00:02:21] this just made me go fucking actors. Jesus. Jen uncovers her daddy issues in therapy and Martin

[00:02:30] reacts by pulling away. I feel like this, this one affected me a little bit weird because this one,

[00:02:37] there were moments in here where I feel like I might have laughed in the past,

[00:02:45] but I, but I didn't like it didn't hit me. Maybe it's because of where I am in my life or

[00:02:52] what? How did you like this one? I thought it was weak actually. You know, we moved the plot

[00:03:00] forward, but it felt like 10 minutes of content stretched into a 27 minute episode. It just

[00:03:08] it didn't have the oomph that I expect from this show after the first season. It just didn't,

[00:03:18] I will even say, I will even say like maybe it's a post climactic letdown, but like I thought that

[00:03:27] last week or I say last week, you know, like two months ago, whenever we actually did the

[00:03:33] podcast, I felt like episode six, the showdown between Jen and Nora was so strong and so good.

[00:03:43] But, but there's, there's capability here though, right? These, yeah, these writers have,

[00:03:48] have really shown what they can do to make basically to continue the story in a strong

[00:03:56] manner. It may not have to be the exact same type. And maybe this is, you know, software

[00:04:04] blues or whatever, but like I did the first season was just so strong constantly. And they had

[00:04:13] like just to think about what we got in season one. We got, you know, first that opening pilot

[00:04:20] interview, which was phenomenal. Yeah, one of the funniest five minutes of TV I've ever seen.

[00:04:26] Right? Like you talk about it. So like if the newsroom's opening pilot was the most

[00:04:31] inspirational, this in my opinion was the one of the funniest openings to a series ever.

[00:04:38] Yeah, it was hilarious. I, and I was talking to everybody about it. I was like this show is so

[00:04:43] funny and season two has been like just, there's been a lot of what I think of as lazy humor.

[00:04:53] And, you know, a lot of penis humor. And, and in this episode, I mean we can get into it, but

[00:05:00] there was like, I don't know, spending time with your dad when he teaches you to fish is like the

[00:05:07] only thing more cliche is let's have a catch in the yard dad like, you know, field of dream style.

[00:05:14] Like just it wasn't very original and there wasn't a lot going on. There were funny moments.

[00:05:25] Like I enjoyed the cash and the vigilantes that I always do. Gregor's just innately hilarious

[00:05:32] and Megan. Oh my God, she's a rock star. I love this woman. But you know, Kerry had just like

[00:05:39] a tiny bit of a plot that didn't really, you know, do much. She didn't really grow or develop much

[00:05:46] at all. And I mean, Jen has daddy issues and she complains about it. She's like, oh,

[00:05:53] I'm so basic. But like, yeah, yeah, you are, you know, just disappointed. Yeah, I just like each,

[00:06:00] each of these storylines, none of these storylines hit me as remarkably funny.

[00:06:07] Yeah, like I did find intellectual enjoyment in some of the, in some of the plot lines. I did

[00:06:16] enjoy Kerry and Martin's conversation. And it made me like in the pottery class.

[00:06:24] Yeah, yeah. That was pretty adorable.

[00:06:29] Like I thought that was good. But then, you know, the concept of, oh, hey, I want you to wear

[00:06:36] like cash is I want you to wear the wig. And, you know,

[00:06:41] Adé and Gregor have been sitting there for six hours. I'm like,

[00:06:47] this yeah, it was it hurt me. Like it just, it was just, I don't know. I just did not strike me.

[00:06:56] It was not the Halloween episode, but it was, it was just I don't know. It just wasn't my cup of

[00:07:02] tea. And that's unfortunate. Yeah, I agree. So much of this is.

[00:07:08] All right, we're going to go ahead and take quick break. And we'll be back and we'll get back into our

[00:07:13] points. And we're back. All right. So getting into our plot lines. Let's let's start with

[00:07:22] Jizz because while part of just a starting storyline really kind of made me cringe

[00:07:29] pretty regularly. I had a couple of entertaining entertaining chuckles. And a jizz storyline,

[00:07:38] a lot of them are a couple of them came from physical aspects of like what was actually

[00:07:44] physically in the episode. Yeah. So the essence of jizz's plot line is, hey, you have a hall pass.

[00:07:55] I made out in my brain with my, my slutty cardigan wearing

[00:08:05] clinician. And so you get to go make out with somebody. And

[00:08:13] and he's like, oh, all right, how do I go figure this out? I did laugh at the where the girls are

[00:08:22] at Tony's hog house. Although it didn't seem like much of a, I like just like they, the

[00:08:30] he's just like, oh, all right, cool. That was easy. And then they move the thing. I was like,

[00:08:35] Oh, you know, it's a cliched, you know, physical joke. But I was like, Oh, God, that's kind of funny.

[00:08:41] Yeah. It just it's another one of those moments where I had to suspend disbelief

[00:08:49] because he's looking at the sign, right? There's clearly something covering half the sign.

[00:08:53] But he just looks at the one part and he's like, Oh, okay, I'll go to Tony's. But like

[00:08:58] Tony's address was not on the sign. And he just like starts walking like he knows where it is.

[00:09:02] Like, and then when they show where Tony's is, it's like down an alley. So it just didn't hold

[00:09:11] water sent from a sense. And I know this whole show is silly, but like stuff like that bothers

[00:09:17] me. I get that. Yeah, the the suspension of disbelief is strong at times. Especially given that

[00:09:29] what what did he say? Like he can't necessarily read, right?

[00:09:34] Breed to be I was like, what? Yeah, like, he doesn't know those words. Yeah. Yeah. Although it does

[00:09:43] that does remind me of so I will read my children bedtime books, not extraordinary themed ones.

[00:09:54] But and there is a series of books that is written by a British author.

[00:10:02] And so but if you say the words with an American accent, the words don't rhyme.

[00:10:11] Oh, yeah. And I think that I think it was the word like

[00:10:18] claws or door or something like that. I was just like, I do not understand how this rhymes. But

[00:10:26] eventually I figured out that if you said it with a British accent, it does run. I was like,

[00:10:31] oh, that is really funny. But that's one of the the the breed a to your toe be like what the

[00:10:41] okay. Anyway, do you do you know what the shapeshifting is supposed to do?

[00:10:45] No, like the shapeshifting strippers I don't quite understand. I didn't get it at all. And

[00:10:51] the fact that it was about hogs, like the sign was like they want to see hogs. I was like,

[00:10:57] all the other pigs? Yeah. Or is it like?

[00:11:02] Yeah, it didn't make sense to me at all. Like how is that a thing that

[00:11:06] first of all, I don't really get strip clubs in the first place. But

[00:11:12] how is that like sexy to see someone turn into an animal? That's not sexy. That's

[00:11:18] I mean, it's it's interesting. But

[00:11:22] yeah, it didn't make any sense to me at all. The whole

[00:11:28] like now he's, you know, wearing a Chip and Dale bow tie and dancing awkwardly on stage

[00:11:35] thing. None of that made any sense. Yeah, I just I was I did not I did the thing. It was funny.

[00:11:42] Does anyone have any cat food? Yeah, that was funny. I mean, I thought that line was funny.

[00:11:47] Yeah, his his physicality is always kind of funny. Like Luke Wilson is a talented performer and he

[00:11:54] has great stage presence. So and those giant eyes of his like they just every time the camera's

[00:12:01] on him, you're like, oh, like, oh, he's so cute. But I don't I didn't find the like

[00:12:09] bachelorette party to be all that funny. I found that storyline actually to be tragic

[00:12:15] and heartbreaking. Like, yeah, like it very much reminded me of one division where people were

[00:12:22] being held against their will. Yeah. And and I was just like this feels like bad. Like this feels

[00:12:31] just not good. Yeah, it's not really funny. It had tragic is a good word. Yeah, it had moments

[00:12:39] of like, I don't know, cleverness maybe is how I would describe it. You know, like when he's like,

[00:12:45] what are all your names? And they all say Taylor like simultaneously. And but watching it the

[00:12:51] first time I was like, what is going on? Like, at no point was I like that's funny. I was like,

[00:12:57] something is messed up. And then this the woman the bride to be being like, nobody likes me,

[00:13:04] nobody would want to be my friend. And then they didn't at any point reveal that the groom was also

[00:13:12] named Taylor. So it was like, well, somebody wants to marry you. Yeah, like some like somebody digs

[00:13:19] you unless you are forcing that person right. Well, and so they didn't make the joke that he was

[00:13:25] also named Taylor, which why would you pick a name that's, you know, used liberally with

[00:13:31] both genders or the two main genders, unless you were going to go there, right? Like,

[00:13:39] they intentionally used a name like Taylor, you know, or they could have used, you know,

[00:13:44] Chris or had or whatever. But they, you know, and then not go there and then leave us and even

[00:13:50] when he tries to get her to kiss him, she's like, I'm engaged. And then she goes for it

[00:13:54] anyway. Like, I'm not sure what we were supposed to get out of that. But I did think

[00:14:00] a lot about that feeling. And I've had that feeling before where I'm like, nobody wants to be my friend.

[00:14:05] Like, I can identify with that woman a little bit. I would not even if I could force people to

[00:14:12] hang out with me, I wouldn't make them go to a weird animal strip show. But I do know that feeling

[00:14:20] of being too much, you know, like I've been told by people like, you're kind of a lot. I've

[00:14:26] heard that before. So I felt for that woman, she was desperate and lonely. And she did,

[00:14:32] she used her power like a lot of people in that world use their powers to like get people to

[00:14:37] like them. It's just so happens that hers repressed people's free will. So it horrified them.

[00:14:44] Right. Yeah, I mean, like even saying that, like, I'm like, yeah, that is

[00:14:49] really, really sad. Not necessarily funny. Yeah. And I think we're supposed to think it was hilarious

[00:14:57] because we're supposed to think she's like worthy of being unloved. Right? That's why they cast a

[00:15:04] fat woman in the role. Right? They sort of overdid her makeup. It was so cliche. It was like, oh,

[00:15:10] she is too much. So the audience if you really think she is too much and it's her fault that

[00:15:15] she's too much, then it's kind of funny that she had to force women to be her friend.

[00:15:20] And but it's not, it's just sad. It's really, really sad. So for example, if I mean, the way that you

[00:15:29] say that it made me think about it because I've been rewatching Ted Lasso and listening to

[00:15:44] Ted Lasso, if it made, you know, they had to cast someone who looked like a model,

[00:15:52] then it, you know, well, it wouldn't have worked because beautiful people always want someone to be,

[00:16:01] you know, they always want to be used for their looks or they're instantly popular. So it kind of,

[00:16:06] it doesn't play because it doesn't work. Because humans are just trash.

[00:16:15] There, yeah, this is, this took a dark turn. Sorry. Yeah. Well, this is what I mean about this

[00:16:20] episode. It wasn't funny. It was dark. There are other stories where it turns out that

[00:16:27] the person has basically paid for their friends. Right. You know, that's a story we've seen

[00:16:34] in Hollywood before. But it's also been done well. Yeah. And, and, and written

[00:16:41] in a, in a way that would, that has made us, you know, laugh or empathize or whatever.

[00:16:51] And this just wasn't. I was, part of my notes are like they, not only did they cast a

[00:17:00] an overweight actress, you know, to use yours, a fat woman in this role. Like they then also made her

[00:17:10] overbearing and over the top. And like it, somebody could look

[00:17:18] absolutely bonkers, like absolutely stunning. But with that attitude, like or with that,

[00:17:26] that personality, like people are driven away. Yeah. And did you notice all the friends that

[00:17:33] she had forced to be there were all like slim? Right. Right. They were more standard-sized or

[00:17:41] even skinny women. Right. So it's like this, she doesn't deserve to have friends because she's

[00:17:47] not, you know, compliant with patriarchy. And the friends that she wants are these women

[00:17:55] who are compliant with patriarchy. And the women weren't like, they were all sort of like,

[00:18:03] I don't know, they just all, they were all kind of the same age and had sort of similar clothes.

[00:18:10] It would have been funnier if they were demonstrably diverse, you know? Like if,

[00:18:16] if those women, and if there had been a guy in the group named Taylor,

[00:18:20] like that would have been funny. There were ways to make that funnier and it just felt

[00:18:26] like I have said a lot of times this season, it felt like the first draft.

[00:18:31] Right. No, I was thinking the exact same thing. Like they had this idea and they didn't fully flush

[00:18:36] it out. And I keep getting the sense that they were rushed into the second season and that

[00:18:42] that it wasn't fully baked. And also that Disney got their hands on it and took out

[00:18:47] some of the raunchiness. Like we haven't seen Orgasm Guy this whole season.

[00:18:54] And he was hilarious. I mean, his, the whole, the fact that we still have a cat named or

[00:19:04] a person named Gislord is pretty funny. Although I mean, I will say that, you know, just in

[00:19:10] defense of the season, like Nora was pretty fucking legit. Like she was a phenomenal

[00:19:17] character and phenomenally written and well performed too. But that is like the only

[00:19:25] right. The only new character who had any depth. In fact, really the only new character.

[00:19:34] I mean, I guess Chris, but he was also kind of related to Nora. Yeah.

[00:19:39] But. And Chris was like, Chris was the like barely a character.

[00:19:45] Right. I will say that one of the things that made me laugh was the then why have they carved

[00:19:53] 999 into this? I don't know what he said. It was basically like a giant zucchini or something.

[00:19:58] Yeah. And I got it's pretty funny. Yeah.

[00:20:02] Yeah. The especially the whole conversation in Ted Lasso about why is it 999 and not 991

[00:20:09] or 911? Oh, hit the same button over and over again. But yeah, I thought that the,

[00:20:16] you know, the gourd with 999 and graved into it was pretty good. Yeah. And how they were like

[00:20:23] help us with the little note and yeah, I mean, like it was, it was quite like,

[00:20:28] is she like losing her grip on them? It's only a smidge away from a horror plot line.

[00:20:36] Right. Like, yeah. They had an episode in Supernatural where a demon had taken,

[00:20:42] had possessed the body of a young girl and was forcing the parents and grandparents to like

[00:20:50] play house with her. And, and they were, you know, they had to like throw her a birthday party

[00:20:56] every day and, and act like they were her parents and her grandparents and like they love her.

[00:21:02] And it was creepy and terrifying. Right. And like, I don't know, those women running out of

[00:21:09] there and screaming, I would have been, yeah, I don't know. It just didn't,

[00:21:17] it didn't land in the way I think it was meant to land.

[00:21:22] No, I agree. Absolutely agree. Yeah. And then, you know, just ends up not making out with her.

[00:21:30] And then we get to what I think is the funniest part of the whole episode

[00:21:34] is when the guy shows up with the kittens. That was, he was very good. Like that.

[00:21:39] He was really funny. He was very funny. And the way he delivered like your cat named

[00:21:43] Gislord and that name is just adding insult to injury. Yeah.

[00:21:49] It was, it was pretty great. And then the box of kittens. I mean, I love kittens.

[00:21:55] I was happy to see kittens. They're really cute. I mean, how can you

[00:21:58] reject a box of kittens? Yeah. Like that's adorable. And now just has to take care of

[00:22:04] kittens like that's great. All right. So let's move on to the next plot point. So

[00:22:13] oh, let's just get it, get it over with. Cash's musical. Oh, see this I thought was kind of the

[00:22:19] highlight of the episode. I thought almost everything that happened with Cash and his

[00:22:26] vigilante buddies was freaking hilarious. Well, not freaking hilarious. Funnier than the other

[00:22:33] parts of the episode. Okay. All right. I'm listening. First of all, when he's like,

[00:22:42] hasn't clearly has not written anything of the musical doesn't have a whole lot of ideas about

[00:22:47] what it's going to be. And then he just runs them through a whole bunch of like drama warm up

[00:22:53] exercises. I don't know. Have you ever done any any theater or improv comedy or any of those

[00:22:59] kinds of things where you have to warm up exercises? So I have been exposed to it.

[00:23:06] I know that when we did Welcome to Oblivious Apocalypse, like we did a couple of those and

[00:23:11] it took me a little bit to get a hang of it. But yeah, I've done a little bit. I have not done a ton.

[00:23:20] They are ridiculous kind of by design. And they're meant to expand like your comfort zone so that

[00:23:29] when you have to do the real acting, you've already done something really broad and really

[00:23:34] silly. And you've already pushed the boundaries of your imagination a little bit so that when

[00:23:39] you're acting in a real role, it's a little easier to grab on to there. They're meant to be

[00:23:47] over the top. That's kind of the point. And so him being like I took a drama class in college.

[00:23:56] I know what I'm doing. And then running them through these exercises and the montage of it.

[00:24:00] I found that pretty funny. And my favorite part was when he was handing out the character sheets.

[00:24:07] And he says, these are your character sheets study them. Okay, they have to feel real like

[00:24:12] whole compact plex humans. And Megan says, mine just says girl. And he's like, yeah, you're playing

[00:24:20] the girl. Yeah, you're the girl. And I was like, yeah, that's how most women are written

[00:24:24] in fiction when they're written by men is like girl is the entire description of the character.

[00:24:30] And then there's a lot of describe description of her, you know, her body or her face.

[00:24:35] And then her entire purpose is to be a love interest. Like

[00:24:41] I wanted Megan to push back on it more. But I did think it was a funny conversation.

[00:24:47] Mine just says girl. Yeah, you're playing the girl, like just just this very like throw

[00:24:53] away nod to the fact that like women are so routinely underwritten that people think it's

[00:24:59] okay to not even give them a name. So severely dismissed. Yeah.

[00:25:04] Well, so that's one of the parts of this that I actually did enjoy. Because I've listened to

[00:25:11] a bunch of people, you know, actors talk about the craft and all that was

[00:25:18] was Gregor. And he's like,

[00:25:21] now I want to take over the city where I want to destroy the city. What city?

[00:25:28] I don't know, London. I don't feel like he would be London.

[00:25:32] I feel like specific, specific, specific. I was like, and this reminds me of listening

[00:25:37] to office ladies where one of the things that they very specifically would talk about

[00:25:43] would be like what was so funny about Dwight or what was so funny about

[00:25:49] Michael is the specifics or Toby, right? It's like, oh, he is, you know, Toby is writing a

[00:25:56] murder mystery novel. But the murder mystery, like the hero in that is basically him.

[00:26:04] And he wants to be able to live out this particular fantasy or whatever. And so that

[00:26:11] very specific thing is what made the character funny. It's what made the arc funny. And I was like,

[00:26:17] that's actually really, really good for Gregor to be saying because

[00:26:21] Yeah, he's right. That is what makes. Yeah, he's absolutely right.

[00:26:24] Yeah. And and he they did eventually decide that Gregor's character wanted to destroy

[00:26:31] Milton Keynes, which is a city that is about 80 kilometers outside of London.

[00:26:38] And it's kind of a planned city. Like there was a time when London was getting overrun,

[00:26:45] just too crowded with people. And the British government was like, we need more cities that

[00:26:51] are sort of near London. And so they started like sort of developing cities that were

[00:26:57] a distance from London that made sense. And this particular city sounds really cool. And

[00:27:02] I want to visit there. Apparently it has tons of public art. And the architecture is different

[00:27:09] from most other British cities. Like I'm dying to go there now.

[00:27:13] No, interesting. Yeah, I'll definitely have to maybe we can take a extraordinary trip.

[00:27:20] That would be amazing. Can you imagine? Good. Oh, that'd be going through London or going

[00:27:25] through England with with you hanging out and just going to check this shit out. Yeah,

[00:27:28] that'd be awesome. We'd have so much fun. Catch a show on the West End. Yeah, we'd have a blast.

[00:27:33] Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah.

[00:27:38] The other part I loved was Megan's impression of Carrie where she's like, hello, Mr. Son. Hello,

[00:27:44] Mr. Sky. I'm just so lovely. Oh, we're not hurting the grass by sitting in it, are we?

[00:27:51] Sorry, I talked to dead people. And then cash is like, it's like she's in the room.

[00:27:55] Yeah. Something's missing. Put it on, put on the wig. It's like she's in the room.

[00:28:01] Okay, that was pretty funny. And when you talk about Megan having like great being great,

[00:28:08] like that's the type of thing that was I think was phenomenal. So dead on impression of Carrie.

[00:28:17] Like, oh no, we're not hurting the grass by sitting in it. Oh, yes, Carrie would worry

[00:28:22] about that. She'd be like, oh, I don't want to make the grass feel bad by sitting in this grass,

[00:28:27] not that grass over there. Like she's so sweet and so concerned about other people.

[00:28:35] Yeah, Megan is, I mean, I hope that that actor is getting cast in like a million other things

[00:28:42] because I think she's got amazing timing. Every time she's like, oh my god, kiss to someone,

[00:28:49] it's like my favorite moment of the episode because she does it perfectly.

[00:28:53] It's so well done. Yep. I mean, and her eyes also are very large. And so you're like,

[00:28:58] she's just like, oh my god, they just like, they get bigger and bigger and bigger. She's like,

[00:29:03] oh, holy shit, she is into this. Yeah, she's great. But yeah, so like we talked about a little bit

[00:29:11] before, but you know, this was kind of a failure to from like from the start. Yeah. And the I did

[00:29:24] happen to see a preview for next or for the last episode and it's like, oh, it's opening night

[00:29:31] of the musical. I'm like, what? How much time has passed? I wonder. Yeah, like is it like the

[00:29:39] following week? And he actually like put together something I don't quite understand. Yeah, I mean,

[00:29:46] I will be watching the episode immediately after we finish recording tonight. Right, absolutely.

[00:29:54] But yeah, so so I like I said, this was not my favorite, although I did have a couple of

[00:30:01] nice moments that I enjoyed a couple of, you know, of laughs that I got. All right, so now we get to

[00:30:10] Cash and Kerry. Yep. So and so cat like the cash and Kerry storyline, we kind of talked about it

[00:30:18] here with cash, right? Because he's basically having Megan emulate Kerry. But but so Kerry

[00:30:27] Kerry was kind of just a foil to Jen, this episode up until the matter of

[00:30:38] you know, actually going and having the conversation with Martin and realizing that she

[00:30:43] really just had developed a friendship with cash. And I think that people fall into that trap.

[00:30:53] I think people fall into like the hey, we're dating and

[00:30:56] you become comfortable enough with each other that you don't meet the expectations like one or

[00:31:04] the other of people don't meet the expectations. Yeah, I don't think it ever falls out this

[00:31:09] exact way where they both are just like, Oh no, we should totally just be friends.

[00:31:15] I think it typically ends in some sort of heartbreak. Yeah, but it would have been

[00:31:20] it is possible to be friends with someone that you have dated in the past. You just have to be,

[00:31:26] you know, like kind of a grown up about it. Yeah, I completely agree. It's possible.

[00:31:36] But what was it? It's almost like they're both just looking for the companion. Yeah,

[00:31:44] that they lost when they broke up. I mean, even when in season one when they were still together,

[00:31:52] even when I was fully aware that cash was not good enough for Kerry,

[00:31:57] we could tell that they had fun together. Sure. You know, like,

[00:32:02] remember the crook mature conversation and how into it she was like she was so into that. And

[00:32:09] like the the Kerry appreciation party that he put together, it was something that she liked,

[00:32:19] right? She liked having a party all about her. She was into it like that. Yeah. He's and he's

[00:32:25] fun and he's funny and and he's sweet and he cares about people. He's just a dumb ass. So

[00:32:33] I can understand missing that in your life and not and you know, she was trying so hard to

[00:32:37] move on and and cut him out of her life. But I don't know, I like that they realized that they

[00:32:45] needed to still be friends. I thought that was kind of a lovely development.

[00:32:50] Yeah, when they came together and kissed, I was kind of like, Oh, God, we're back to this.

[00:32:54] Yeah. And then when they were both like, Nope. I was like, Oh, thank God.

[00:32:57] Yeah. The music stops. And I was like, Oh, wait a minute. What's going on?

[00:33:00] Yeah. Okay. I can get down with this. Yeah.

[00:33:04] I do want to say that I find that what what did they what they what was what was their little thing?

[00:33:14] Whatever they made wobbly roast wobbly roast sounds horrible. Oh, I know gross. Oh, food roulette.

[00:33:21] Yeah, food roulette. I think that food roulette fine. You know, sounds interesting.

[00:33:25] Yeah. That's a really fun idea when when you're broke. I am being broke when you're really young

[00:33:34] and all your friends are broke also is it can be fun. Like, it's different to be broke when

[00:33:41] you have kids or mortgage or, you know, responsibilities. But when I was in my early

[00:33:45] 20s, I was poor. And I worked in nonprofit. A lot of my friends worked in nonprofit

[00:33:53] or they were grad students like we were all broke. And so we had to find ways to have fun that didn't

[00:33:59] cost money. Right. And we would there was a grocery store that would have midnight sales.

[00:34:06] And we would like, you know, stay up and go to the midnight sale at the grocery store and buy

[00:34:11] our 10 cent boxes of macaroni and cheese and and 10 cent containers of frozen peas so that we

[00:34:18] could have, you know, mac and mac and peas. And, you know, we made it fun. We used to have these

[00:34:25] we used to sort of make a viewing night party event out of lifetime movie of the week movies,

[00:34:32] you know, those like cheesy movies from the 90s that were always about like spouse abuse or

[00:34:36] something or stalkers. A lot of them were about stalkers. And, you know, Judith Light was

[00:34:42] always getting stalked by someone. And we would like get dressed up. And we would make

[00:34:48] elaborate Jell-O desserts because Jell-O is so cheap and like make a party out of like a ridiculous

[00:34:55] cheap thing. But it was fun because we were all doing it together. Like food really made sense

[00:35:00] to me even though that specific game, I don't think I would enjoy. But I understand how that's

[00:35:07] fun. Yeah. Right. So yeah, like I can appreciate their chemistry together as companions or as

[00:35:19] good friends who just you miss that aspect. I totally get that. Yeah.

[00:35:26] But that was pretty much it because like basically Cash was using his entire plot line to redevelop

[00:35:32] Carrie. And then Carrie was being used by Jen up until the conversation with Martin,

[00:35:40] which I still am not sure if that's happening in her head or if she like looks like she's talking

[00:35:44] to someone. Yeah, it's unclear if she's actually speaking out loud. They never really make that

[00:35:51] explicit because I imagine if she's talking out loud all the other people in the pottery

[00:35:56] class are like, oh, crazy lady over there. Right. I do think that if you're trying

[00:36:01] to move on and spend time on yourself and and get comfortable being alone that specifically

[00:36:07] couples focused events are not a good place to go. That's like, that's like being like, oh,

[00:36:15] I want to learn to swim. I'm going to jump into the deepest part of the ocean. Like it's

[00:36:22] that's not a way to get comfortable being single. Like start by going to a movie by yourself

[00:36:27] or a restaurant by yourself. Like don't go to a couple's thing.

[00:36:31] Yeah, don't go to something that like it didn't even like make a pretense that

[00:36:36] oh, this is the only one available or it was whatever or that she didn't know it was a couple's

[00:36:42] thing until she got there. Yeah, it was it was just like, oh, I'm at a couple's pottery class.

[00:36:49] And he's like, well, okay, so why? Yeah, it doesn't make any damn sense.

[00:36:55] Like that's that's just setting yourself up for misery if you're newly single. Right.

[00:37:02] Like, yo, I already had the tickets and I figured I would just do it. Okay, sure. If that was the

[00:37:08] reason. Yeah, that's actually a great spin because it's completely believable that she would

[00:37:14] have bought those those tickets for her and cash to do together. And and him and he would

[00:37:19] have ended up blowing it off even if they were still a couple. Right.

[00:37:25] Yeah, so like I just I feel like again back to I don't know if it was lazy, I don't know if

[00:37:29] something ended up being cut and like this three second line maybe, you know, maybe

[00:37:37] that explains why she's at a couple's pottery class by herself. Yeah. But I was just kind

[00:37:45] of like, all right, this is this is just like misery for the sake of misery. I don't quite understand.

[00:37:50] You know, we've never also I mean, I thought that her calling on Martin and having a conversation

[00:37:56] with Martin and getting some, you know, sort of fatherly love from him was was lovely. But

[00:38:01] does Carrie have parents? We've never seen any evidence. Right. Of them. Like it's her entire

[00:38:09] life just like being an accessory to Jen.

[00:38:16] At this point, yes. I do like that Jen asked Carrie if she feels obligated to channel Martin. It's

[00:38:24] about time. Yes, they had that conversation. Yeah. And she said yes. But then she backtracked so hard

[00:38:30] and so fast. She's like, Oh, but it's fine. It's like, it's like if I need a good way to ask you

[00:38:35] to help me hide a dead body, I'm like, what? Yeah. What? I did think it was funny. I feel like

[00:38:46] just based on a couple of episodes ago where we're Carrie asked Martin

[00:38:54] what sounded like a ridiculous hypothetical question. I was like, is Carrie flirting with

[00:38:58] Martin? Oh, weird. Like I don't think it was like actual flirting, but it was like one of those

[00:39:03] crazy hypothetical questions. And it's like, that's odd. Maybe that's just the way that Carrie feels

[00:39:10] like she starts conversations. Like that's her icebreaker. Yeah, something completely out of

[00:39:16] whack and random. I don't know. Yeah. All right. Anything else for for Carrie and cash? No.

[00:39:26] Yeah. Okay. All right, so let's go ahead and just let's just double down on daddy.

[00:39:37] Doubling down on daddy? Are you? Yes, I'm doubling down on daddy.

[00:39:41] So I just it feels like I mean, while I think that George acted very inappropriately last episode

[00:39:50] with like the whiskey and the, oh, you're, you know, almost the grooming that you mentioned last

[00:39:58] last episode. Yeah. It seems to me like Jen kissed him and then he pulled away at least that's

[00:40:19] I don't quite understand what has in fact happened. Yeah. Because I didn't think it was,

[00:40:25] I thought it was like maybe they slept together or I really thought they did sleep together because

[00:40:30] right the look on her face when she was walking home even before she saw that just Lord had come

[00:40:38] back was one of deep regret. And one kiss is embarrassing, but not enough to feel that kind

[00:40:50] of what she looked like she was ashamed. Right. I feel like there was I feel like there's some

[00:40:57] sort of continuity issue here because I just yeah, I feel like the end of last episode and to

[00:41:03] the beginning of this one, there was just a super crazy different tone as to like what happened

[00:41:10] versus what didn't. And then the hall pass would have just been okay, I'm giving you a freebie.

[00:41:18] You can go make out with some other woman like, okay, well, one this never works. I did appreciate

[00:41:23] the fact that Carrie was just like, oh, you're going to do the emotional mature thing. Cool.

[00:41:26] I'm giving you a freebie. Oh, that's not the emotional immature thing. No, it's really

[00:41:31] not. And it's not what just Lord wanted at all. Yeah, like the just is still learning to be.

[00:41:40] Yeah. And and maybe he has no business being in an actual relationship, but I can appreciate that.

[00:41:48] Hey, like I have a fixation on my owner or the woman who I first saw after I stopped being

[00:41:57] a cat for four years. And he had one line when he was talking to Taylor that sort of explains it.

[00:42:04] And he's like, you know, that's the great thing about friends, even if you're a weirdo,

[00:42:08] there's always another equal weirdo out there for you to cling on to.

[00:42:12] Right. That's sort of his entire relationship with Jen is like they're both weirdos who

[00:42:17] don't make sense on their own, but they make sense together in some way.

[00:42:21] But do they?

[00:42:23] Yeah. I mean, as much as anything makes sense on the show.

[00:42:28] I mean, like I'm not trying to call into question like the chemistry between them or whatever. But

[00:42:35] like I just I it made me start thinking about it when he was saying that. And I was just like

[00:42:41] and this kind of ties back into a camera. I don't know. It wasn't this. It wasn't

[00:42:47] it wasn't the show. It was a different show. Oh, I was watching Schitt's Creek and David David was

[00:42:53] like, well, Patrick, like, you know, I'm the only man you've ever been with. So you should go explore

[00:42:58] other men and see how good you have it with me. And, you know, it's just a bad idea period.

[00:43:05] It's just a bad idea. And to push your your significant other to go and explore other people,

[00:43:15] especially in a relationship as precarious as your boyfriend was just a cat for four years.

[00:43:21] Like I feel like this is this is this is Jen continuing to take dumb aspects of solutions.

[00:43:34] So yeah, oh, I need to be a family. So I'm going to wholeheartedly commit to restoring my family.

[00:43:39] So I'm going to have my mom and my dad be together, even though my mom has zero desire to ever talk to

[00:43:45] my dad again. Yeah. Okay. Well, all right. Oh, you know what? I I know exactly what the right answer

[00:43:52] is here. I need to have my dad teach me to fish because it's not even something that ever

[00:43:59] interested me. It was just I've seen pictures of fishing and fishing. So I need something to

[00:44:03] bop my dad over. So I'm going to take this one thing like how about you have a conversation

[00:44:09] about how sad you are that you don't have a power. But you know, hey, dad, what music did you like

[00:44:16] when you were a kid? Hey, dad, can you tell me some stories about whatever? Like, and maybe she's

[00:44:24] been through all that, but it doesn't seem like she had like the and maybe she's trying to again,

[00:44:30] I keep saying maybe maybe maybe I feel like I'm making excuses for the writing of the show.

[00:44:34] And it's hard. It is hard. I just wanted to add just because I'm an obnoxious person.

[00:44:43] I'm so tired of daddy issues being a punchline about women when they are primarily caused by

[00:44:57] bad or absent or negligent parenting. As if like it's funny that then women grow up to have a

[00:45:09] complicated set of ideas about relationships with men because the first man in their life,

[00:45:16] their father abandoned or abused or ignored them. And it's not actually funny that someone has

[00:45:26] daddy issues and it's treated as like a joke and exploited by men consciously and actively

[00:45:37] to get sex. And then they joke about it. You know, it's like there's so many movies where there's

[00:45:43] like a guy who's like, yeah, just find a woman with you know, daddy issues and take advantage

[00:45:47] of her. I feel like it's kind of irresponsible to throw that out without, you know, it's 2024.

[00:45:57] Can we just be more more educated and less flippant about these societal problems that have

[00:46:06] always been used to mock or belittle or exploit women? There's my side. I could appreciate that.

[00:46:16] No, I think that's a fair statement.

[00:46:22] And it's definitely, I can appreciate that viewpoint. And I've never had to,

[00:46:29] I've never been compared to a woman with daddy issues. But I've also not dealt with many of the

[00:46:37] the issues that minorities have. Well, I say minorities and mean like females or

[00:46:44] not white middle class American male. Yeah. But yeah, no, I hear you and I see your point.

[00:46:56] And I feel like again, I feel like this is even like a low bar for an average TV show.

[00:47:08] Not even one that had gave me such high hopes. And when she said like, oh, that's so basic, I was

[00:47:17] like, ah, are they going to address how this is this widespread cliche? Nope, that's it. That

[00:47:23] was the whole joke. Okay. Yeah, I was disappointed. I wanted it to go further and actually, you

[00:47:33] know, say something deep. I did think that, you know, when she sort of revealed to Martin that

[00:47:41] her mother didn't like her talking to him and that there were issues with it, he

[00:47:47] he should have been thinking about this all along, honestly, that this might be

[00:47:51] something that wasn't good for Jen, like his incredibly large amount of presence in her

[00:47:57] life after he's died. But he did rise to the occasion and say like, oh, this

[00:48:02] I've screwed up. I got to pull back. And I appreciated that. I was like, oh, Martin's

[00:48:08] actually showing some good parenting. That's nice. I did one of my notes. Well, my one note with

[00:48:13] regard to Martin was Martin's being a dad. And even though I sometimes it's hard

[00:48:24] being a dad and doing what you can to set your kids up for the best possible situation you

[00:48:29] can, like that's their satisfaction in that. And there's a reason why parents and friends are different

[00:48:38] parents can't always be likable for their kid. Sometimes they have to make a decision

[00:48:44] that's right for their kid that their kid doesn't want. Yes. And, you know, I've had

[00:48:52] I know that I'm not the first parent to ever have to make a decision like that.

[00:48:58] And I will not be the last. And it is heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking to do that.

[00:49:05] I'm going to say to your child to remove their autonomy, to remove their capability to make a

[00:49:12] decision. It's very, very difficult once you recognize that's what it is.

[00:49:19] But I really appreciated Martin this moment. Yeah. I was like, oh, Martin is finally showing

[00:49:26] some, you know, actual fatherly wisdom there. That's lovely. Yeah. I mean, no wonder Jen misses him.

[00:49:34] He seems like a lovely person. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Other oh, I did appreciate the font

[00:49:46] on the daddy issues, like the bubbles and yeah, and the whole room was was like it looked

[00:49:52] like a version of her childhood bedroom. Like it was definitely like her inner child. You know,

[00:50:00] they could have done as soon as she entered that room, the manifestation of herself in her mind

[00:50:06] space became a little girl. That would have been kind of clever. Yeah, that would have been

[00:50:10] clever, especially one who was maybe also trying to not put the moves on her clinician,

[00:50:20] her doctor. A couple of the things that the doc did say about, oh, you know, hey, your dad

[00:50:27] affects your relationship with your mother. Your dad makes you makes Kerry feel obligated to you

[00:50:35] to channel him. It provides gives you an opportunity to or opportunity or a desire to

[00:50:45] for, you know, attraction to your older male clinician. And and she's like, oh, you're the one

[00:50:53] wondering on this slutty little cardigans. I thought that was a funny lie. Yeah, that's

[00:50:57] really good laugh at that one. I loved it when when Ian came to give her the hideous dolphin

[00:51:06] jumper. And and he's like, your mom said that, you know, this doesn't mean you're not a little

[00:51:11] B word. And she was like, well, tell tell her that my accepting of this jumper doesn't mean I'm

[00:51:16] not still mad at her for being a stubborn E word. And he's like, what's the E word? And she's like,

[00:51:21] there is no E word, which is going to drive her insane trying to figure out what it is. And

[00:51:25] I was like, I'm going to use that. Like, that's hilarious. That is pretty funny. Yeah.

[00:51:30] Like, I'm going to be like, you're such an E word. And I'll be like, you don't even know

[00:51:33] what I'm talking about. It's just it's mean and hilarious. It is funny. All right, so there were

[00:51:43] a couple of things in this in this episode that made me go, hmm. So one, how many bomb threats

[00:51:54] has Jen called them? Yeah. And I don't know what that's like in England, but in the US,

[00:52:01] that is a federal crime. That's a big deal. Yeah. And then almost in like the same vein,

[00:52:12] I've been a problematic third too many times to enough times to recognize like,

[00:52:18] how many times have you been a problematic third? Is it like twice? Is it half dozen? Is it 30?

[00:52:26] Yeah. Megan. It makes me sad for Megan, but it also makes me want like a whole

[00:52:33] like spin off like web series about Megan. I want to know so much more about her.

[00:52:42] That is that would be interesting to see for maybe even if you did like a series of many.

[00:52:49] Yeah. Like I'm thinking like five minute episodes where we just get to see a little bit of her

[00:52:53] crazy life because like remember when there was the invisible guy and she hooked up with him and

[00:52:58] how she writes erotic fiction and she's just interesting. I dig Megan.

[00:53:09] Yeah, I mean, and I would absolutely be interested in more of her.

[00:53:17] Do you have any notes? The only other thing is that I never thought I would say

[00:53:23] this, but I actually liked what's his name? Randall a little bit. Randall. Yeah.

[00:53:29] Him trying to connect with the worm and being so frustrated by it and trying so hard. And then

[00:53:37] the scene with him in Ian and when he was like, yeah, so many struggles and then gets all teary.

[00:53:43] I was like, oh, he's not all bad. Like it made me kind of like him.

[00:53:49] But he wasn't wearing his female body inspector t-shirt that helped.

[00:53:54] That's very true. He was not wearing that female body inspector shirt.

[00:53:59] I just I had issues. Were they given their their animals or did they choose their animals?

[00:54:05] Yeah, it's unclear. I can't imagine it like I'm just a worm. I'm like,

[00:54:10] I feel like maybe this is like a reflection of his character. So Megan was a cat.

[00:54:17] Gregor was a rooster. Oh, I thought Gregor was trying to be like an eagle or a hawk or something.

[00:54:23] Oh, OK, maybe. And then then it seemed like Adé was an ostrich because Cash guessed at it.

[00:54:33] And and then he was then Randall was a worm and I didn't understand.

[00:54:40] I was like, did he choose worm? Did Cash assign him worm? I don't get it.

[00:54:45] Right. Because at first I assumed that he had chosen worm because he was like, oh, I have to do

[00:54:50] this lie down and drop done. And then that he got so upset about it made me think that he really

[00:54:57] was genuinely trying. And if you're genuinely trying, you probably wouldn't have picked worm.

[00:55:02] So maybe Cash gave him worm. But like, why would you even give anyone worm?

[00:55:09] Yeah, I again, back to confusion. Yeah.

[00:55:16] But all right, you have any other notes? Just that the closing song was Birdhouse in Your Soul by

[00:55:22] They Might Be Giants. And I had forgotten how much I love They Might Be Giants and it

[00:55:28] reminded me and made me happy. Nice. Excellent. All right, well, in that case,

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[00:56:46] loving House of the Dragon and really, really enjoying Sam and Kara and Wendy and Renny over

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[00:57:05] digging Strange Indeed lately and they're covering Sweet Tooth and Sweet Tooth is a really unique show

[00:57:12] and Rima and Paik have such a great chemistry. I really love listening to their coverage of

[00:57:19] different shows. And this is, it's so different. Sweet Tooth is so different from like the

[00:57:25] Flanigan shows that they cover or from Strange Indeed, but it suits them because it's also sort

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[00:57:39] Strange Indeed and they just, they do such good work. Well, I really loved season one and then

[00:57:46] I just haven't been able to get back into, I haven't had time or chosen, chosen. I haven't

[00:57:52] chosen to take the time to watch season two and now season three just dropped. So I may have to jump

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[00:58:35] beating yourself up about it, Greg. I gotta say all I can say is I'm sorry. All right,

[00:58:40] done with pithying you guys for having to deal with me or whatever. And next time it'll be

[00:58:46] the season finale, season two episode eight. Well, goodbye forever. And I don't know if it's a series

[00:58:52] finale or just a season finale. We'll find out. I can't imagine that it's a series finale. I mean,

[00:58:59] unless like Jen defeats her daddy issues and then, okay, cool. Yeah. Like I'm afraid that this

[00:59:06] is basically Martin saying, hey, like I've messed up your life long enough. I'm gonna, not coming

[00:59:13] back. Wish again, back to sad. Yeah, that would be really sad. Okay. Well, for a fun show, this is a

[00:59:22] rough episode. Yeah. But, you know, we got to be honest in our coverage. Otherwise, what's the point?

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